Werewolf LIII: The Republic

[mormegil]

Now if I were to start a fillibuster when time expires does the day not end until my fillibuster is over? I could at least prolong my life until then

[Brinniel]

While you may be evil, no one can deny the fact that you are certainly creative, Nogrod. :D

And yes, I just got back from Spamalot and it was wonderful.

*sings*

Finland, Finland, Finland....the country where I'd quite like to be... ;)

*ahem*

Now back to work...

[Nogrod]

"I cooked your food, I cleaned your house,
and this is how you paid me back for all my kind unselfish loving deeds.
Huh?
Well you just wait they'll find you yet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXZMZ-XvvzI)..." :eek:

[Nerwen]

I'm somewhow torn about this village. In a way I'd like to see them win over you but on the other hand they seem not to earn it, looking at toDay.

You suggest that we should have let you and morm live... even though you've both confessed?:confused:

Maybe Fea will balance this out by killing you all...

That's a thought– has our chief mod-goddess accepted Boro's abortive filibuster, or do we have to provide another?

Nogrod to Ilya:
As Fea said, welcome to the advanced game of werewolf. There's no telling what happens or is. This is no elementary game as she underlined it (even if Boro tries to make you believe all is clear - but you'll see it). So everything is possible. Just try to orientate through this and all the conflicting messages... you'll have to decide for yourself what to do in this envirovenment.

Nogwolf's parting words to his young apprentice? Or is that what he wants us to think?
EDIT: X'd since my last post.

[Ilya]

Nog: That was quite a piece there, and thanks for the vid because it was hard to deal with before the melody. But this ain't 'Nam. This is WW. There are rules.

Yay, Spamalot! I hear that it's still a great show.

Anyone around who's a Lost geek want to freak out with me over the new footage in the Fray (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/39197) video? I know I'm OTing it, but after the sports breakdown this morning and Nog's mocking me in French, I'm allowed.

EDIT: Aw man, deadline's approaching, nevermind about Lost.

[Brinniel]

Anyone around who's a Lost geek want to freak out with me over the new footage in the Fray video?
Oooooh. :)

*goes to watch*

[satansaloser2005]

My top three suspects: Ilya, Nerwen, and....erm....okay make that my top two suspects, because otherwise it's a tie between Brinn and Kath and Rune for a few things they've said toDay (or yesterDay, I'll have to look)



Bwahahahahaha! I shall have the last post, and I shall call it last post, and it shall be my last post. Hehe!

[Rikae]

Deadline, people. Break it up, nothing to see here.

Oh, the lynches: Geil and Boro are dead for discussing football on my watch. Oh, and Nogrod. And not so much Boro.

They were, of course, the seer-leprechaun and the monkey-assassin.

[Mithalwen]

This has been preempted and so you are spared some of the bad jokes I had planned and I may yet get to use the Nogrod death scene I had planned from my last mod game in the next (after Gollum's, auditions opening soon! Plug plug) but having decided that quasi-judicial processes had been done too well by Messrs Formendacil and Pan Man, I couldn't resist a little play with this.

Waiting for Borot

MORMEGIL:
Charming spot. Inspiring prospects. (He turns to Nogrod.) Let's go.

NOGROD:
We can't.

MORMEGIL:
Why not?

NOGROD:
We're waiting for Borot.
…

NOGROD:
There's no good harking back on that. Come on.

He draws him after him. As before.

MORMEGIL:
Wait!

NOGROD:
I'm cold!

MORMEGIL:
Wait! (He moves away from Nogrod.) I sometimes wonder if we wouldn't have been better off alone, each one for himself. (He crosses the stage and sits down on the mound.) We weren't made for the same road.

NOGROD:
(without anger). It's not certain.

MORMEGIL:
No, nothing is certain.

Nogrod slowly crosses the stage and sits down beside Mormegil.

NOGROD:
We can still part, if you think it would be better.

MORMEGIL:
It's not worthwhile now.

Silence.

NOGROD:
No, it's not worthwhile now.

Silence.

MORMEGIL:
Well, shall we go?

NOGROD:
Yes, let's go.

They do not move.

Dead:

Fea
Mith
Rikae
Diamond18 (ordo)
Legate (ordo)
McCaber (ordo)
Eönwë/Steve (ordo)
Aganzir (ordo)
Ka (wolf)
Shasta (ordo)
Mormegil (wolf)
Nogrod (wolf)

Alive:

Boromir88
Brinniel
Gil-Galad
Greenie
Gwathagor
Ilya
Lommy
Kath
Nerwen
Rune
Sally
the phantom

[Rikae]

Lament of the Three Moddesses

Fea:

Through Rohan over fen and field where the long grass
grows
The West Wind comes walking, and about the walls it
goes.
'What news from the West, O wandering wind, do you
bring to me tonight?
Have you seen Boromir who is surnamed eighty-eight?'
'I saw him dream prophetic dreams, over long nights filled with fear;
I saw him talk encrypted words to any that might hear.
He passed then into Shadow. I saw him then no more.
The North Wind may have heard the horn of the son of
Denethor.'
'O Boromir! From the high walls westward I looked
afar,
But you came not from the empty lands where no men
are.'

Mithalwen:

From the mouths of the Sea the South Wind flies, from
the sandhills and the stones;
The howling of the wolf it bears, and at the gate it
moans.
'What news from the South, O sighing wind, do you bring
to me at eve?
Where now is Boromir the Seer? He tarries and I grieve.'
'Ask not of me where he doth dwell -- so many bones
there lie
On the white shores and the dark shores under the
stormy sky;
So many have passed down Anduin to find the flowing
Sea.
Ask of the North Wind news of them the North Wind
sends to me!'
'O Boromir! Beyond the gate the seaward road runs
south,
But Death came thence with the wailing howls from the last
wolf’s mouth.'

Rikae:

From the Gate of Kings the North Wind rides, and past
the roaring falls;
And clear and cold about the tower its loud horn calls.
'What news from the North, O mighty wind, do you
bring to me today?
What news of Boromir the Bold? For he is long away.'
'Beneath Amon Hen I heard his cry. There one last foe he
fought.
His blood alone could avenge the two were-wolves he caught.
His skill too great, his plan so fair, he must be put to rest;
And Rauros, golden Rauros-falls, bore him upon its
breast.'
'O Boromir! The Tower of Guard shall ever northward
gaze
To Rauros, golden Rauros-falls, until the end of days.'

Dead:

Fea
Mith
Rikae
Diamond18 (ordo)
Legate (ordo)
McCaber (ordo)
Eönwë/Steve (ordo)
Aganzir (ordo)
Ka (wolf)
Shasta (ordo)
Mormegil (wolf)
Nogrod (wolf)
Boromir88 (seer)

Alive:

Brinniel
Gil-Galad
Greenie
Gwathagor
Ilya
Lommy
Kath
Nerwen
Rune
Sally
the phantom

[the phantom]

Well, as today is my final day among the living, I'd better make the most of it.

Tomorrow afternoon I'll do a readthrough of everyone left alive and post my thoughts.

And also, don't bother making me a Rep. As I've already been dreamed of my vote isn't going to tell you anything. Currently I am the Ordo who knows the least in this village, as the rest of you Ordos know both your own innocence as well as mine.

Anyway, I'll try and finish my readthroughs and posting my thoughts tomorrow. If I don't get finished in the afternoon I'll make sure and finish it when I get home in the late evening.

[satansaloser2005]

Oh goodness! Boro! How could Boro be dead? He was so young, his death so unexpected, so brutal, and....meh, who am I kidding? ;)




I have a huge paper due that I MUST get working on. Expect tidbits from me along the way but for the next 36 hours I probably won't be posting much. Sorry about that, loves.

[Nerwen]

Oh goodness! Boro! How could Boro be dead? He was so young, his death so unexpected, so brutal, and....meh, who am I kidding? ;)


Stop gloating, wolfisaloser.:p

[satansaloser2005]

Stop gloating, wolfisaloser.:p

Oi! Only Nog's allowed to call me that. (:p)



Although if that's what you and your packmates called me when you spoke of me during the Nights, by all means, I don't want to disrupt tradition. ;)

[Nerwen]

I should have said this in my first post:

R.I.P. Boromir88. You died like a true son of Gondor... and in the process annoyed the wolves so much that one of them went raving mad and another voted against your fictional namesake in the Middle Earth Popularity Cup. We'll build you a statue next to Shasta's.

You still around, Sally? In all seriousness, you are one of my suspects for Wolf #4. However, I've never been good at reading you, so if you have any thoughts you want to share I'm willing to listen.

[A Little Green]

Hmmm. I'm here again, probably making a list in a minute. Ah well. *back soon*

[Nerwen]

Guess who's here?

[A Little Green]

So the last wolf is one of these guys:
Brinniel
Gil-Galad
Gwathagor
Ilya
Lommy
Kath
Nerwen
Rune
Sally

POSSIBLE:
Gil-Galad - If it's him, I'll be very disappointed with the game indeed.
Gwathagor - I'll look at him if I have time. I have no idea at all about him.
Ilya - I'm slightly wary about her at the moment.
Sally - I don't know. There is something about her that makes me somewhat uneasy.

IMPROBABLE:
Brinniel - I don't find her suspicious.
Lommy - Not suspicious.
Kath - I don't think it's her.
Nerwen - Doesn't strike me as suspicious.
Rune - Seems innocentish.
(How many ways can I invent of saying someone looks innocent, I wonder.)

I'm worried about how my arguments have gone worse and worse all the time. I had some pretty good ones a few Days ago, and look at them now. "Slightly wary" or "Something about her makes me slightly uneasy". I need to (I accidentally wrote "I need tp"... :p) look at the thread to find something a bit more constructive to say.
Just to clear it - those on my "possible"-list are not people I find suspicious but rather people I don't find innocentish. People I'll keep an eye on. People whose posting I will look at if I have the time, which I probably don't - I should be studying Swedish at the moment and not playing WW...

However if Nerwen is around (:D), or someone else, I might stay a while and chat. It's so much nicer to post if there is someone else around too.


EDIT: x-ed with Nerwen :D

[A Little Green]

So Nerwen dear, who do you suspect is the fourth wolf? It seems Sally is one of your suspects, who are the others?

[Nerwen]

Unfortunately, the same as your list of "possibles"– except that I really don't have any idea about Gwath (and I'm half-inclined to put you on it too, Lily, just because I know how sneaky you can be;)).

One thing that I've been thinking is that the wild performances by Nogwolf and Wolfegil might have been inspired by their desperation at leaving everything in the paws of a newbie, i.e. Ilya.

Also, Nogwolf gave Ilya what looked like parting advice in his last post. I wouldn't want to read too much into that, though, not when morm had already addressed half the village as fellow-wolves.

[A Little Green]

Yes, Gwath was on my possible-list mainly because I have no idea about him so he doesn't strike me as necessarily innocentish... :p I wouldn't read too much into what Nog and morm said yesterDay since they were known wolves and all they said was probably just to cause more confusion. Especially morm's accusing half the village (which was very amusing, by the way..)
Your idea about Ilya is interesting, though. Or then Nog might have wanted to frame her.. My, this is too complicated. :D But yes, Ilya is certainly a possibility.
I'm half-inclined to put you on it too, Lily, just because I know how sneaky you can be).Well I could return that, actually, knowing you... ;)

I might vote for rep toDay practically anyone on my improbable-list. Any thoughts on who you'd like to see as rep?

[Nerwen]

Not as yet...

Someone really needs to read through the known wolves' posts, but what a daunting task!

I might have a look at Gwath. At least he hasn't been flooding the thread.

One thing: yesterDay Boro and tp were, as I interpret it, trying to plant the idea that it was really in the lupine interest to keep Boro alive (I thought of joining in, but I was afraid it would be too reminiscent of the Agan affair). Wolf #4 didn't bite on it, which perhaps points away from Ilya and towards a more experienced villain.

EDIT: fixed bolding.

[Thinlómien]

I'm here and I have really nothing to say. *sigh*

I guess I still suspect sally and Ilya...

Well, obviously, I should kick myself and start working actually, ie looking through the wolves' posts. But I just feel lazy...

[Ilya]

The laziness in endemic, Lommy. Hopefully, I'll shake it off and get to work looking through the wolves' posts later this afternoon. Just wanted to check in on the thread, though.

[Kath]

Well, well, we have proof now of who the noise boxes were in this village! It is a rather pleasant surprise not to have 5 pages of posts to catch up on after missing 12 hours or so.

So, who do we have left who could be a wolf? I was just going to look at everyone and then I ended up accidentally analysing Gwath which took up a lot of space so I'll post what I've got so far and carry on with the others in another post.

Gil-Galad - given our relatively good numbers at the moment I wonder whether it would be worth lynching him. Thing is I'm a bit torn. I wouldn't put it past Fea to make him a wolf and then sit back laughing maniacally as we give him the benefit of the doubt and lynch person after person with no result ... but then it's Fea and Fea loves an interesting game. Actually given that there WAS a kill last Night I'm thinking it's unlikely he is a wolf. If he isn't around even to make a silly post during the Day anywhere on the Downs he's unlikely to remember to make a kill.

Gwathagor:
Day 1 has some very short posts, some controversy over considering voting for himself and voted Nogrod. Was mentioned by Nog - 'maybe we should not judge too heavily at this moment but he does look evasive indeed'. Potentially a wolf buddy 'ooh look but don't actually' moment. Argumentative with Legate - poking at his suspicions of Agan and questioning his vote for phantom. The second comment against Legate is odd ... it seems more misunderstanding than anything else but the tone is very accusing. Nog then voted to lynch him. What I can't recall is whether there was any other support for Gwath being lynched Day 1. If there was then it seems unlikely he and Nog were wolf buddies, if there wasn't then it's a pretty safe vote and that likelihood goes up.
Day 2 I do not get his reasoning for assuming Nog innocent. Joins the 'why must you have secret ploys' brigade. Fails to vote.
Day 3 - says Eonwe's list isn't useful because his suspicions sound the same - I have to say I disagree but that's personal opinion. Pushing idea of phantom and Boro both being wolves. Seemed almost behind the times - 'maybe the Seer has dreamt of one of you already' when that was the angle that phantom had been pushing for ages. Hmm, mentions Nog again ... sort of defending him. Despite suggesting that Boro and phantom may both be wolves he then votes Boro as his Rep and also says he doesn't want to get rid of him yet ... which if we can believe what our wolves were saying yesterDay was a major part of their discussions during the Night, perhaps this is a Daytime message along the same lines. Says odd reasoning to vote Ka ... which is just what morm says a bit later.
Day 4 - surprised that Ka is a wolf. Could go either way that one really. Overly confused by Boro's revelation. Turns against Nog ... saving his own skin? Votes Nerwen as meant to. Hasn't said anything so far toDay I don't think. Well, I have to say that from that rather impromptu analysis I think he could well be a wolf. He hasn't been as quiet as many people seem to think he has been but much of what he has said has been one liners. I definitely think he's suspicious.

Unlikely wolf:
Gil

Likely wolf:
Gwath

[Brinniel]

Okay, it took me a loong time, but I finally got all the quotes together. There's a lot of them, so I'll post one Day at a time. I also added some side comments raising points about a few quotes. After I've put up all the quotes, I'll post a more thorough summary of my thoughts.

Day 1

The wolves about the unknowns:

Or maybe quietness is not the right factor but the kind of carefulness of some of us around. If we pick them as representatives they will have to take a stand.

I just realised this... Kath, would you like to be a representative?
Perhaps an excuse to vote for a fellow wolf? Why choose Kath among the other quiet ones?

Kath - Speaks how enthusiastic about this game she is and that's it. No posts after that. Laying low or just busy? Fits the general "Kath on Day1" scheme though... a bit too well - and that's why I'd like to see her as a representative toMorrow even if she might vote for me just out of the annoyance...

Nerwen - Only one post but offers an idea: either Shasta is in cahoots with tp or then Brinn as they are so extremely friendly - and no one would believe the wolves would be that obvious. A fair point looking at the time of the posting showing she's up to this game - even if I'd wish to see her post more. But I surely do wish to see her more so not someone I'd wish to see lynched toDay.

Gwath - Only posted to say "I'm reading but have nothing to contribute yet" - and that was 14 hours ago... RL and all may be factors and maybe we should not judge too heavily at this moment but he does look evasive indeed.

I'm tempted to make Ilya our second representative right now with a second vote. I think she might be one we should see there. I mean even if she is an old sport around here she's quite unknown to us later-comers in here and I really would like to see what she does - and looking at her last post just made me a bit more confident about her.

Sure you're right (whoever it was to point it out) that we should be careful not to vote for any clear clicks as our representatives - like even if I feel pretty good about Greenie at the moment I wouldn't like her to be a representative for us just because Brinn already is.

I was a bit torn between Ilya and Lommy as my choices but I will be sticking to my curiousity this Day and vote for

++ Ilya

... thus making her a second representative.

I kind of agree with most of her actual points she made in her list (not all).

To be more exact: I agree with her about

- Brinn feeling generally good by a bit too many of us and thence worth suspecting just because of that if not for any other reason (even if my instincts go for saying she's an innocent - but that's what they always seem to be doing - and that's another reason to be uncomfortable with her).
- Greenie looking more innocent than not.
- Lommy feeling genuine... at least this far. With her I know she can totally fool me... Like Greenie can... Too close, too hard to fathom?

I do somewhat disagree with her about:

- Kath I do not trust (she makes it through the first Days too easily as a tactical manouver like this every time) - even if I don't find her especially suspicious either at this point of the game.

Btw. the reason I'm getting an innocent feel from both Di and Rune is their apparent eagerness to make it to be a representative.

I don't have anything on Kath. Though, I'm more curious whether she was a safe vote, or seemed safe to others who either trust her for her wisdom or, are trying to suvive by echoing the thoughts of others. I don't distrust Kath, but more of those voting her way. I don't have much playing experience with her either, unfortunately. So far she seems rather innocent, while I need to look back over other's votes for her.

The row between Aganzir and Lommy. Argumentwise I'd say Agan looks the more innocent one, feelingwise I think Lommy looks the more innocent (she felt genuinely frustrated - although a wolf might feel the frustration as well to be sure). So I just can't avoid the idea that it's two innocents tearing each other apart.

The skirmish between Gil and Shasta was amusing indeed but didn't tell us much. But just looking at the row it would make me feel Gil more innocent (I don't think he would make such a number were he a wolf) and leaves me quite empty-handed with Shasta. Shasta's enthusiasm to get on Gil could be seen as a wolf finally finding a target - and his retreat from it after Gil got personal would be just wise from a wolf as well. The problem is there's a host of "if's" there.

I'm one of those who were a bit uneasy with Gwath's vote for me as a representative. The contraditory nature of that vote was clear indeed. And it could be looked from the devil's advocate viewpoint quite easily and deemed evil.

Brinniel - looks and feels genuine thus far
Gil-Galad - the enigma who is more often innocent than not - and gets things right more often than has been granted the honour of
Greenie - the sneaky one, my daughter... I never figure her out and thence am afraid everytime
Gwathagor - could be a wolf, could not be...
Ilya - looks and feels genuine thus far
Lommy - feels innocentish
Kath - she's not suspecting me! there must be something wrong in there... or then not; I'm slightly persuaded to wait and see
Nerwen - looks and feels genuine thus far, although I'd love to see her post more
Rune - the enthusiasm of getting to be a representative speaks on his behalf - and the general feeling I get is more that of an ordo
Sally - very hard nut to crack but maybe more innocentish because of the level of her light-heartedness (she was a bit more focused the last time she was a wolf)

++ Gwath

Because I think it is a plausible interpretation of Gwath's odd grounds for voting - and he knew what he was bargaining for... Why else would he have formulated his vote for me to be a rep in that way being himself obviously one of the group he wished me to target?
A wolf-on-wolf vote is possible here. I don't think it looked very likely for Gwath to get lynched.

These two parts caught my eye from Sally...I'm starting to read and will post as I go along. It is always odd when people apologize in advance, it as though they want to set it up that when questioned on something they can point it out that they have a reason for it.

I'm on post 336 and it seems that Lommy and Agan are going at it strongly. I find little merit in either arguement and feel that both are innocent. Lommy seems like Lommy, who generally exhibits behavior that I find suspicious and she is doing that right now which is innocent, if that makes sense. Lommy seems to find one or two targets and is convinced of herself to the point that she puts blinders on other possibilities. I think that is what she is doing here.

Okay I am just to this line and found it odd. It would seem to me that this is the first time Ilya has played, correct? If he/she (sorry I don't know which) were to be a wolf with Legate, there would be some aprehension and fear associated with such a role on the first time. It seems that Legate would be giving him a clue here that he's doing just fine and to keep it up. He said nothing similar to any other player. I have not suspect Ilya to this point but this raises my suspicions especially if Legate is one.

The unknowns about the wolves:

mormegil - Seems reasonable enough.
Nogrod - Not actively suspicious nor actively innocent.
The Ka - Leaning innocent this far.

I should soon know who I'm going to vote as a rep. Right now, I'm most inclined to vote Shasta (he seems innocent and rather sharp-witted, and well, you know, he's a known psychic ) or possibly Nogrod (since I think he has a rather good track-record in Day1 votes and seems innocent too).

mormegil -Also one of the vets who's already intimidated me.
Nogrod - Makes a lot of valid points. Not sure I'd want him for my rep just yet, but seems very focused.
The Ka - Also love the handle if it's from where I think it's from. I'd like to hear more from her.

Ok, so toDay I am voting

++Nogrod

as my representative. I think he'd do a good job of keeping the quiet players on their toes, making the ranks of the sub-reindeer-sitters a less than safe place for a wolf to hide. This, at any rate, is my hope.

Morm: Monkey with a gun. Yipes. But for some reason my Morm sensor is NEVER right. Ridiculous, really. I think he's innocent, so he must be guilty.
Ka: cute little posts (at least the ones I've read so far) and fairly friendly. Which isn't to say that Ka's not always friendly, or that wolves have to be rude, but she seems legit, at least for now.

Morm makes me very uneasy. But I think that's just a reflex...

mormegil - like I said, he makes me really uneasy. It's just a gut-feeling. And I know my bad gut-feelings of morm are not to be trusted. So I will refrain from lobbying for his lynch until I have a reasoning-based reason to suspect him...

Nogrod - seems sensible and innocentish. My only worry is that he seems almost too much so.

The Ka - I like her but I don't trust her. She seems a little non-commital ("I'm an observer, sorry, I won't post that much") and a little odd, too. She'll never earn my trust easily after that performance as an evil Radagast...
I pasted this quote without putting a name next to it. I think it was said by Lommy...

Nogrod's vote for Ilya. The reasoning is fine, but I feel it's a bit out of character from someone who generally favours known "elite" players.

Generally, I think Leggie looks quite innocentish, Ka is slightly creepy, and Agan speaks good sense and raises good questions.

morm - No read.
Noggins - Nothing new to say about him, either. Leaning innocent.
Ka - She creeps me out, don't know why.

mormegil: As of now, I have no idea. But I admit each time I play with him, he scares me.

Nogrod: I admittingly keep skimming through his posts because they're so lengthy (along with a few other players). I tend to agree with him too much, but I can never get myself to trust him.

The Ka: Has posted substance, but still seems uninvolved. Something about Ka feels odd....just a gut feeling there.

[Brinniel]

Day 2

The wolves about the unknowns:

What really bothers me though is how Nerwen seems to piggy-back off phantom's ideas. A good number of people assume phantom to be innocent, and honestly I'm okay with that, despite some of my criticisms of him overall I think him genuine but I am keeping a close eye on him because I know of his skill as a wolf and I'm watching for and pointing out any lupine signs I may see. Anyway Nerwen on Day 1 didn't make any sort of impression on me, was overly quiet and reserved. She didn't do or say anything controversial. And now that she feels that the phantom is a fairly well accepted innocent she seems to quickly parrot what the phantom is saying. Her stating that they might have gone after McCaber because they thought he was a ranger sounded awfully strange to me. Gil got a free pass for ignorance so why not give it a try, eh Nerwen? Nerwen just shot up from an unknown to my top suspect based upon what I am seeing and feeling from her.

The problem with a statement like this is it's could be an attempt to back me up against a wall. Nerwen could feel that by saying she is offended that I will back off because to proceed further would be rude. I will not back off, look at what her little 'slip' has done. Multiple people are coming and delcaring her likely innocent. I think it is a great ploy to use and that you are wise enough to use it. It is not an insult, rather a compliment, but it makes me not trust you and the fact that you are now trying to pressure me to stop bothers me too.

Definitely have to agree with that. I remember what a Sally wolf is. Though, if she was a wolf this time, she either is taking the role of a lurker, or is up to something else which I have no clue what and why. Or, she’s innocent, and just busy.

As for a new rep, I’m looking at either Nerwen or Lommy. Slightly more the latter. Even with the argument between Aganzir, I’m not seeing a wolf or wolves trying to cast opinions around, but two innocents, with Lommy looking more so.
This second Day she’s shown a level of interest and ability in the game that I value in a representative, and hopefully with her reason can make sure we avoid another incident as yesterday, so…

++Lommy for Representative

I am not at all satisfied with Nerwen today and still will likely vote for her. Her tactics today indicate to me somebody who is trying to be very involved and helpful, but when I see so many quotes it seems that she is just making long posts to show how 'helpful' she is being...I don't buy it. I still think she played the ignorance card to help her buy immunity today which is working in most minds.

The fact that Gil didn't vote for a representative (or actually post other than that short row with Shasta) looks like he's an innocent. I suggest he should not be lynched. Had he a role he would have been a lot more engaged says my experience with him.

Hah, figure this: Nogrod is saying we should leave a submarine alive on the first Days!
Hmm...the last bit of that quote is interesting. But I'd be quite disappointed if Gil was wolf...but that doesn't mean it's entirely impossible.

Nerwen's gigantic task of going through the discussion between myself and Boro made me first think she was trying to be a bit too helpful without actually contributing anything (and morm actually commented on that as well) but then I realised that if I had time in my hands and were not a party to the debate I might have done the same thing... So I don't think we can actually make a point on that.

But then looking at Kath's posting I get two kind of vibes. Firstly she seems to be more benign in her relation to me that I remember her ever being. And surely, voting or suspecting someone just because you tend to suspect that one "every time" is stupid and maybe she has gotten over it? So maybe I'm just the slower one just trying to catch that possibility, but her slight trust on me (= she's not trying to lynch me immediately) looks a bit suspicious to me.

But the second vibe is that her pointing at Greenie looks like something I hadn't quite concentrated on myself. And I must admit I'm the worst person to look at her as her father I'm totally blind to her. But there's something in that kind of principled stance she has that makes me feel a bit insecure with her. It's like the most you get from her posts is that she is an individual who dares to attack guys like tp on style & stance issues. But she seems to be a bit careful with her opinions when it comes to actual suspicions making her a super-wolf when she is one. (Yeah, my problem with her is that I partly think that's the way sahe is and partly I think is she fooling me - and others - with exactly that)

Ilya and Nogrod are beginning to catch my eye a bit more but Nerwen still will get my vote. She is playing very smart and I'm fairly confident we have one on our hands here. Anyway I will try to catch up later, hopefully before voting time but it is doubtful.

++Lynch Nerwen
Is a wolf-on-wolf vote possible here? Nerwen was pretty heavily suspected at the time, which makes me think it less likely she's a wolf. But is it impossible? No. I remember last time Boro was a wolf, he went quite viciously after his fellow wolves...I could imagine morm doing the same.

The unknowns about the wolves:

Based on his vote against me yesterDay, I am inclined to think that Nogrod is innocent. It seems unlikely to me that a werewolf, having been voted into power, would proceed to risk alienating half of his constituency by trying to have them executed.
Well, obviously that's not so. One possibility if Nogrod and Gwath were both wolves is that after Gwath voted his mate as rep (as fellow wolf morm already did), Nogrod attempted to distance himself from Gwath by voting to lynch him.

Mormegil: There is a few things I do not agree with in his posts, such as his views on who would make a good Representative. Anyways besides minor things I think it is a very reasonable post he has put together here and a very good analysis of the Representatives votes. . . Or rather the fact that he points out Ilya’s vote as being the safe “look good vote” and that Nogrod’s should not be taken as a sign of innocents.

Now, I will happily admit all the above goes for me. But as I'm not a wolf, I have to turn my glance elsewhere. Nogrod strikes me as a person who would suggest a kill like McC to his fellows.
I think a wolf would be less likely to bring such a comment up about their fellow.

Well I can't help but think that from a reasonable player such as Nog this really looks like a vague argument. Truly, that argument looks like grasping at straws more than anything else. (Or then it's just me when I really saw nothing at all suspicious about Leggie's SW jokes.) Anyhow, I don't know how would it serve a wolf-Nog to make such a vague case on Legate when he already had suspicions and voting candidates of his own. Perhaps if he wanted to give the other reps more fuel for lynching Legate without joining the bandwagon himself... But really, I'm not sure - otherwise Nog has looked quite innocent so I don't quite buy my own argument yet...

Also, I don't like morm's and Ilya's suspicions of Legate. They just don't look genuine.

mormegil - I don't know, really, he just seems evil and I don't like some of his arguments or his behaviour late yeterDay.
Nogrod - he's too diplomatic, too smooth. It's his cardinal mistake as a wolf. And he would have killed McC. However, the consensus against him makes me think him more innocent (weirdly) and also, like I said, I don't think I want to see him go toDay.
The Ka - her posting style in this game is rather unsettling.
Already suspects all of the wolves, which again makes me think her less likely to be their packmate.

*sigh* You're so predictable, morm.

1. I did not "parrot" the phantom's comments on McCaber. I agreed with him.

2. I really did think there was a ranger. I'm in the middle of exams, and I ended up just skimming the rules– which are exceptionally long and complicated. I am quite insulted that you think I'd try an idiotic wolf-cub ploy like pretending not to know the rules.
Could this exchange be between two wolves? I'm not sure...

Nogrod - My theory about why he suddenly jumped on Legate on poor grounds combined with the night kill of McCaber (yes, I too thought about Nog or someone framing Nog being behind it...) makes me feel uneasy about him.

mormegil - Has given me no reason whatsoever to suspect him. Feels genuine and reasonable and raises good points.

The Ka - Now if Nerwen is sneaky, then what is Ka? (answer: very sneaky.)
Argh, another quote where I forgot to put a name next to. I think it might be Greenie's.

First of all, I think Nogrod's behaviour toDay has been quite odd. He seems somehow very aggressive (ahem - I mean, more than usual ) and seems to get heated very easily. The way he reacts to tp's and Boro's posts about him looks really like overreacting and playing the martyr to me. That over-confident "you say this about me, which I don't like, so you are either wolf or stupid: and because I know you can do better and are not stupid, it means you are a wolf!" -attitude doesn't sit right with me. Also, I still don't like his traditional "you know I'm not the kind of player who does that" -argument.
Hmm...there seemed to be a lot of suspicion of Nogrod on this Day, yet no one voted to lynch him. It's possible one of the Noggie suspectors was a fellow wolf.

++ morm for representative

Because, like I said, I want new faces to the reps, and of the two people on my innocent list who haven't yet been reps morm was the one who already hasn't been voted as a rep as I believe Lommie just received her second vote. Besides, I'm slightly more comfortable with morm than with Lommy at the moment, though I believe both are innocents. Also, morm's suspicions are not too far from my own and I judge him capable of good decisions if he indeed is an innocent villager like I believe he is.

Nogrod: “I don't know if you have come to a conclusion about McCaber being killed or not but to me it looks very puzzling indeed. And it makes me wonder. Why not tp? Why not Boro? Why not me? (add any player you think being a major threat to the wolves). There is no ranger so they roam free at Nights. So why not?”

Will you get you pompous behind down from your high horse mister!
In which way do present a more real threat to the wolves than McCaber did? Where is it written that because you talk a lot on day one means that you will come up with a great theory later in the game, chances are that you will be wrong in all of your suspicions. . .that would not be a first. . .and that McCaber would pick out one of the wolves.
And the fact that you pretend not to see a reason to why McCaber was killed seems extremely suspicious, the only problem is that it seems too obvious.

++Mormegil for Representative

It stood between him and Boromir, both have made exelent cases for their view points through out the day. I am not saying that they are innocent, but I like their way of going about things and also some of the stuff they say. . . I want a my Representative to have style and not be afraid of saying things as they are.

Nogrod - I...I just don't follow Nog's arguments. At least he's being consistent in his perplexing nature, though, voting for Gwath because Gwath's confidence in him had sinister "possible intentions behind it" and now voting for Boro, despite Boro going after him, and despite not trusting Boro. I had trouble following Legate, though, and maybe it's just a style thing that's making Nog hard to read. I mean, I feel like a wolf wouldn't be this blithe. But all this contradictory stuff...consider my eyebrows raised.

Haven't done Morm, Nerwen, The Ka, or Gwath yet, but I've got other stuff to write tonight, so I'll have to hold off. The Ka, I think, is kosher. The other three smell slightly of pork.

Nog's vote for Boro also seemed a bit weird. If he doesn't trust Boro but wants to see how he uses the power given him, why wasn't it enough for him that Boro was elected a rep? I don't know if I can explain this, but to me it seems very risky to give a person you suspect a third vote just to "check his cards". To elect such a person for rep makes some sense; but giving him a third vote doesn't look quite logical to me.

On the other hand, the quarrel toDay looks pretty genuine, and Boro makes some good points against Nogrod (even if he did confuse us all with his balogna). Which makes Nogrod's vote for him all the more puzzling.

Conclusion: no good evidence of a link between Boro and Nogrod... Their behaviour doesn't entirely rule it out either, but it's not what I'd call a "case".

I have absolutely no idea what to think of Noggie. He seems paranoid.
I accidentally marked this quote to be by Nogrod. Obviously I messed up. I can't remember who it belongs to.

morm - he's flown under my radar a bit but I suspect that's because he's one of these that makes quite long posts and my currently slightly limited time does force me to skim read a bit so I'm probably just missing the substance that he is putting in there. Ooh, though actually he did say that thing about phantom being overly silly. My feeling on that is that if phantom is playing up he's not anything that matters.

Ka - her usual self I think, playing around, which again makes me feel pretty good about her.

Nog - Now this is a really bizarre thing ... I have no opinion on him, and that's just unheard of with me and Nog. I suspect it's because I think he's innocent and I can't bear to believe that! But there you go.
Gah, I didn't mark this one either!

My problem is that the three I suspect the most right now are the phantom, morm and Nogrod. And although I have kind of got rid of the way of thinking that you need exceptionally good reasons to lynch a veteran loudmouth ( ) it would feel silly to lynch one after that was already done with not-so-spectacular results yesterDay. Or actually, I think it's just that I think I suspect them simply because they have caught my attention by making such a show by being loud and aggressive.

I would otherwise seriously consider Ka, but I wonder if she'd vote me for a rep after I had listed her in my suspicious category if she was a wolf...
Or this one...but I'm almost positive it's by Lommy.

I'm not sure what to think about this thing between Boromir and Nogrod. Could be that they're just two ordos scuffling about. I doubt they're both wolves. If one of them is a baddie, my money's on Nogrod. His arguments and defenses just don't feel as honest as Boromir's.

mormegil is either a wise and influential innocent or a dangerous wolf. But which one? That is why I'm slightly scared and not entirely trusting of him.

The Ka has the least amount of posts. She's been sliding too much under the radar for my taste....where is she anyway?

[Brinniel]

Day 3

The wolves about the unknowns:

Nerwen's 'that's predictable' statement does nothing to allay my fears. I understand the explination somewhat but the way in which her and Boro came out firing on those seems odd and I already suspected Nerwen and again this does not help.

On Gil, is there any risk of mod-fire from lack of participation? I don' remember reading that but I find it highly aggrivating and totally irresponsible to do this.

I'm daring to believe this is good news looking at this game. It means we can count him within our numbers, that is when the tally is done.

But you who haven't played with him should also know that his history in WW hasn't been the most pleasant one to be honest as he tended to get lynched or killed everytime he played quite early with basically the same reasons he got picked on in this one...

Some of you of course didn't know that and I'm believing that was unintentional. But you might wish to send him a PM after the game? Just a suggestion...
Looks like it could be an honest comment.

++Lommy for Rep

Okay so I'm likely to be a bit more hit and miss for the remainder of the day and I would like to get my vote out there. I think Lommy the most innocent and I have a degree of trust in her. She is responsible and wise. She will do what she finds best with her vote and she has a similar mind to me.

First Nerwen's initial answer to Agan looks pretty odd because of a few things.

First she tries to nullify it with the fact that Agan changed her mind during the Day. She indeed casts suspicion on Agan for doing a Legate 180 twice (with Lommy earlier) - while the original Legate 180 was an innocent one!
Secondly she still left it open, leaving reservations like it would be clumsy for an Aganwolf - which is true indeed.

But clearly it looks bad for Nerwen. She defends herself strongly (with bad reasons, look the first point above) not to get lynched but still tries to leave a considerate aftertaste to us others while preceeding to kill her at Night (point two), right? So Nerwolf thought that as Agan's case was so bad she could have been a seer? And therefore... end of story.
Hmm...two wolves going against a fellow wolf? That seems less likely to me. But not entirely impossible.

Gil-Galad whom I think is innocent but may not return to the game. Let's hope he does.

Kath I'm very unsure of as she seems to trust me somewhat (at least the last time she was around of which some time has really gone) and I find it slightly suspicious. Maybe I should just start to learn to be a bit more grown-up and stop suspecting her everytime (I quess this is the second time I'm saying this; now what does it tell? ). But she really should post more. I'm not inclined to suggest her lynching anyway, at this point at least.

Gwath I'd just like to see more. I have no clear picture of him. Sometimes I think not even a picture... where are you?

Also Brinn has been relatively quiet toDay. But so far I have no idea. She looks reasonable but that's what she always does. And that really bothers me right now.

Then there are Rune, Sally, Shasta, Greenie and Ilya who are all falllng into my category "I really should pay more attention to them as they do actually post". Somehow my mind has been in other places (thanks Boro & tp ). I'll promise to look at at least some of them tomorrow (the rep-day that is).

The people I have a "better" vision (meaning I think I have something) on remain.

Lommy looks and feels genuine, from her defence from Agan's attack to her frustration with Boro and tp toDay.

Nerwen is either a wolf or a victim of a nasty plot made by wolves. Her defences can be interpreted both ways. I have no clear feeling on her but if I'd had to be the one to vote the lynch at this moment I would probably try her (or then The Ka, just to be sure).

That leaves me Kath basically. I know she has a cool mind and I'd wish to see her in the delegation to balance this black and white -looking situation. Once again it's half trust, half curiosity. I think we can afford yet another try for that.

And I think she hasn't made a comment on Boro and tp for a few Days now so she might have fresh eyes for that.

++ Kath for representative

++Greenie for Rep

For example, Lommy feels very much like Lommy and despite her style being the type that grates me a bit because she feels the same I feel she is innocent.

If Boro and tp are wolves something like that would be their only chance of avoiding the seer's eyes.

And who'd be their mates then? Looking at all of this, morm and Rune might be reasonable candidates. If the other "side" of the wolfpack had to pull that kind of a bluff - and were still in danger of being dreamt of - the other party should be very suspiciousof them, right? So if either "duo" prevailed in the beginning the other might carry it home as they would look clean and nice going after the other "pair" (see the mutual distrust between those "pairs" in this game).

Sally I have no idea of. Kath said she was acting more serious than normally and that was the case when she was a wolf last time. I think I need to take a look on that.

The Ka seems to be the submarine and I'd like to lynch her just to be sure.

And I'd like to test my theory as well with morm or Rune but seeing that morm is having a vote I think that with him it would be a vote wasted unless you all went for it.

Both Rune and Greenie have voted morm for a representative the last two Days... So maybe I was wrong and the wolves really thought it important to get one of their kind into the electorate this early?

Okay I checked back on Sally.

I don't know. I'm not sharing Kath's thoughts of her being more serious or composed than normal. I mean the last time she was a wolf she was indeed being a bit too focused for her own good.

But she did vote Greenie as a representative and then again Greenie's vote for tp was no surprise.

On the other hand - and following that - she decided to go all the way appeasing tp with all that talkabout Dr. Who and the various ways of spelling that.

Like "I try to lynch you via choosing a rep to do that and immediately start playing it personally nice with you"?

Also her post about her suspicions were as follows:
People I'd like to see get lynched. ToDay. Mehbe.
Ilya
Nerwen
Morm or Boro or Phantom (preferably one of the former, as then we can get on with our lives. heh.)
Gwath (because we can )
So leaving tp at the end of the list and saying "preferably the former" with the reason we could after that "go on with our lives" - like tp wouldn't be the prime obstacle to that? (Sorry tp - see, no rolleyes!) - but still making sure her representative would be after tp?

That I think is suspicious.

The unknowns about the wolves:

I'M UNEASY ABOUT
Noggins-Woggins - Generally he's been making me quite uneasy. Some actions of his are really weird, such as giving a third vote to a Boro he didn't trust (you still haven't explained that, by the way - I believe you just explained why it's sensible to vote for someone you don't trust, but it didn't answer the question why you gave him a third vote when he was already through...). Also, I still don't like his role in Legate's lynch. Hmmm.

I'M NOT UNEASY ABOUT
mormegil - Brings up good points, behaves sensibly and has done nothing to arouse my suspicions.

I HAVEN'T GOT A CLUE ABOUT
The Ka - The same as with Gwath. Hope they are having fun under the reindeer/rainbow/whatever...

Morm, then, is the one whose innocence I feel the most sure about, for some unknown reason.

About Nogrod: I cannot put my finger on it, but something seems different about him in this game. I don't know if it is just because he has been more or less ignoring my existance or there is something more sinicter behind. Little Green does not seem to trust him and bases her fears on his votes, of the two vote I see the Legate as the more incriminating one. Not that the Boromir vote is not odd, but this Representative-thing brings in a whole new side to the game.

Funnily, I'm feeling good about morm and Nog. Probably because they share my doubts considering Boro and tp.
Could be a bit too bold for a wolf to say..

Innocentish
morm - I don't know, he just seems very innocent toDay.

Middle
Gil, Gwath, THE Ka - not enough material to go on.
Nogrod - I think he seems rather innocent now, but he has been rather suspicious in the past... He's curiously distant in this game and I can't get a proper read on him.

In conclusion: I have very little idea who to vote for a rep. I'd be tempted of picking one of those that strike me as innocent but slip under my radar but I don't really know.. somehow I'd be more comfortable voting either morm or Shasta.

I'll vote

++morm for rep

++NOG for Rep

Yes, yes, faint in shock at the thought of my trusting the ever-suspicious Nogbod, but I have actually come to terms with the fact that I think he's innocent. There are a few others I might have voted for. phantom is one (loving the tummy thing btw morm, it makes me laugh every time I see it!), Lommy is another. But toDay I'm going with Nog, I think it's good for me to get over this 'it's Nog! He must be evil' thing and this is as good a way as any.

Semi-Suspicious
Nogrod

No Clue
mormegil

Where did they go?
Ka

I understood part of his point to be that if the village finds you suspicious, then you're doing something suspicious - protests and ploys notwithstanding. You have a responsibility to play in a way that conforms to the system of popular suspicion that rules Ww, so if you are attracting too much attention, then either change or defend yourself just like all the other players. Don't ask players to take your innocence for granted.

I hope I am not misrepresenting you, Nogrod.
The very last sentence is a bit fishy. It's like it was added in there "just in case" Noggie turns out to be a wolf, so that defending him doesn't look suspicious.

Boys Becoming Men, Men Becoming Wolves
My initial, gut suspicions were of Agan, Brinn, Morm, and Nerwen. Even though I've already been proven wrong, they still hold.
Nogrod has phrased things in ways that are weird. I think the concerns raised about a "lynching distraction" are legit, whether Nog's a concerned citizen or a wolf trying to take the high road. I dunno which.

It is true that Morm has not gathered suspicion and that in it self is suspicious ergo Morm AKA Geil is a wolf!

Actually it has been bothering me that Morm has been regarted so innocent, but there really is very little reason to suspect him.

Here you go Morm, now send Boromir to the dark abyss that awaits him.

++MormeGeil for Representative
Very bold and suspicious looking. But perhaps too bold?

I voted Morm insted of Kath, as I felt that I had more of an idea who he might vote for and I felt quite comfortable with the options.

morm is a bit creepy....he actually reminds me slightly of [Boromir] from the first half of my WW game (and for those who weren't in that game, Boro was a wolf). Simply because of how he manages to slide from Day to Day so easily without suspicion. He's definitely someone to keep an eye on.

I may throw in as a sort of gut-feeling that I think that Ilya is a wolf, after all. Possibly Nerwen and Rune too. Hmmm... who would I throw in as the last one? Ka?

no idea:
Rune, Nogrod, Gil, Gwath, morm, Brinn

seem suspicious:
Ka - has talked some, but not said much and I think she tends to talk more serious stuff when she's innocent and more nicely phrased nonsense when she's guilty

Let's leave Boro and TP alone for the time being Rune, Morm and whoever else is still trying to pick at their argument. Even if they are wolves, there are two others out there, and I can't help but think that one of them jumped on The Alliance yesterday. I think their ploy, if it was to draw fire, worked - though morm brings up a good point in that I dunno how they would've been able to coordinate it without communicating.


People I'd like to see get lynched. ToDay. Mehbe.
Morm or Boro or Phantom (preferably one of the former, as then we can get on with our lives. heh.)

I'M UNEASY about:
Nogrod - Still hasn't answered the question I have asked something like three times? So I ask again: why did you give a third rep vote to a Boro you didn't trust when he was already through anyway? Nog's been more innocentish toDay than before, but I'm still uneasy about him.

I'M NOT UNEASY about:
morm - Nothing new.

I HAVE NO IDEA about:
The Ka - Has posted more toDay and I'm glad to see it; but there is still too little to go on with there, I fear.

morm - I think he's more annoyed than truly suspicious, but that annoyance makes him disinclined to look at alternative explanations for things and so he finds things suspicious that maybe aren't. Says that Nerwen is backtracking, but no she isn't, she's explaining. She said the kill was predictable and then she explained why she thought that, no backtracking there.

Nog - is just against phantom in general I think. I mean I completely agree that phantom's playing style drives you up the wall, although not me this game for some reason, so I get the frustration, but what I don't think Nog has are any actual reasons.

I do not suspect Nerwen after all. I totally forgot about the ranger-mistake. I think she wouldn't have cheated that way if she was a wolf... Now you two are probably happy to know that this makes me more suspicious of morm who keeps insisting on Nerwen's guilt for rather flimsy reasons. But it would be really ironic if morm happened to be a baddie in the first game ever I've started to trust him even a little...

I feel like voting Ka or Ilya or Gwath. Or maybe sally, Rune or morm. No idea... Any (reasoned) preferences, anyone?

++THE Ka

That's the closest I can get to a reasonable vote toDay. She's a submarine the likes of which we can't really afford, and like I've said, she tnds to have more serious stuff to say when she's innocent.
I don't think it's very likely this is a wolf-on-wolf vote. But again, it's not impossible. Lommy voted for her early on and perhaps didn't expect her to actually get lynched.

I don't know what it is with you Nogrod, I constantly get the feeling that you are playing differently and that I should take a close look at you.
The problem is that when I do so, I find very little actual suspicous behaviour and I have actually read through most of your post in search of such.

Maybe you have been more vaugue than normaly, not sticking you neck out too much. . .

Anyways you are on my list over people I am slightly suspicous of together with Ilya, Nerwen, Brinn and Ka.

I probably wouldn't have voted for The KA. What's the reasoning behind that vote? Lots of us have been super quiet so far, so why KA? I suppose I always feel uncomfortable voting for submarines because there is so little substance on which to assess them - and I always have an especially hard time discerning between quiet wolves and quiet ordos.

morm –Looks less wolfish to me lately, but that may be because he's no longer going after me. He stresses this to Lommy, but that's actually quite irrelevent– until he got distracted by Boro he most certainly was making a case against me, and a highly specious one at that.

Nogrod –you know why I said we should look at the McCaber kill, and then didn't say what I thought it might mean? I wanted to see if anyone else would independently think it pointed to him. That's a very trivial thing indeed, mind you.

morm: As I mentioned to Boro earlier, I do actually find him rather creepy.

Noggie: He's someone I need to take a closer look at toMorrow. Why do I feel like he's being inconsistent and all over the place? I don't know...his behaviour just seems odd.

Ka: She's already dead, but I'll share my opinion on the matter anyway. She's been so quiet and submarine-ish, it's something I find quite unsettling. Though honestly I don't think I would've chosen to lynch her toDay as there are others who I suspect more and it would've been nice to give her another Day to defend herself...though I suppose there wasn't much guarantee that she'd even show up to do that...

[Brinniel]

Day 4

Unknowns' reactions to Boro's reveal and the wolves' guilt:

KA, huh? Ok, well, I'm glad my rep is smarter than me.

Ka, huh? Well, one of the submarines had to be lupine.
I kinda find it funny that Gwath and Ilya's reactions to Ka's death look so similar. Especially when put next to each other.

Firstly– R.I.P. Shasta! And nice work from our reps... As I said, I probably wouldn't have voted for Ka if it had been up to me.


So you're the Seer, Boro? I thought it was the phantom.

I'd be very happy to run for office on a "lynch morm" ticket. Just for the good of the village, you understand.
She seems a bit eager here. Perhaps using eagerness to hide her fur?

Well, Boro, since morm has more or less admitted his guilt, I'm on board for whatever you want to do. Just give the word.

I'm in, obviously. (I made an actual post, but then my friend stopped by and by now what I said wouldn't make a lot of sense. Boiled down to "Boro I love you and I'm really glad I sensed something was upp-ish with Morm before I voted him as a rep" and other sundry)

I'll also be around right at deadline tomorrow (meaning the end of the first part of the Day), so (not to blow my own horn) if y'all want me to be a rep I'd be delighted!
She's another who is rather eager.

I officially detest Mormegil, the one time I convince my self to look elswhere for wolves he turns out to be one and what more is I actually supportet my case with some of his arguments. You got me Morm, I capitulate.

This is the worst game ever. . .
The only positive thing so far is that Nogrod turned out to be wolf (or so it seems), it just shows that sometimes that feeling that someone plays differently is better than an actual case. (where you try to exclude such feelings)
The worst game? I wouldn't think so. Even if you've mistaken your thoughts of a wolf, that is something that happens quite often. Could Rune be feeling a bit bitter now that his mates have been revealed?

Argh. All my fine theories all muddled up... Oh well. So I voted a wolf for rep twice. How nice. I had a beautiful theory on why Nog's a wolf but it's no use now since he's officially revealed wolf. And the once I got something figured... Gah. Frustrating.

On a more serious note, good job Boro - I don't know whether I would have instantly believed your claim but morm's confession cleared it... I'm still wondering why he did it, though.
Actually, I think her reaction looks the most innocent compared to everyone else.

Boro and Phantom! I love you! Want to know why? Because I outwitted you, after all! Boy, I feel clever right now.

Nog - calm down, will you? No need to get heated. Please if you think/know those two are wrong then give us some logical proof. Prove their arguments wrong and I'll be sure to reconsider. As long as your theory has flaws such as the morm thing Gwath already pointed out, I can't take it seriously.

I've been waiting to see what Nogrod would say. It proved to be unsatisfactory.

I tried to read through what has happened, but I just end up confused and agitated.

If things are not as they seem. . .well I am just going to take it as it comes, I will see you sometime tomorrow.
I just don't understand why he's so agitated. If he's truly innocent, he should be happy that three wolves have been bagged in two Days, not frustrated.

Oooo! A Plan!!!
Not that it's worth much, but....

Phantom and Sally vote Nog.

Boro and Nerwen vote Morm.

Rocks fall, everybody (well, Nog and Morm anyway) dies.

Yes, I pretty much just want to bloody feel useful in this village.
Again, I find her overly-eager.

Oi, Nog. Shut up.

Hehe. Alternatively, we're not going to listen to you anyway, so feel free to spam, erm, post to your heart's content, my little friend.

Sally you weren't so full of hate during the night periods, in fact you were quite pleasant...why the change?

Girl's gotta do what a girl's gotta do, fellas. Sorry.
Huh? This response to morm calling her a wolf is weird. Could it be a wolf slip?

Nogrod, you are such a drama queen!

You know very well that given the events that have taken place, the village could have taken no other action than what have been done. We all know that there is a risk that we are being manipulated by evil-doers, but that is a risk we must take.

If you had been in our shoes you would have done the same. . . so please stop the whining.
Hey now, it wasn't long ago that you were complaining about how this was the worst game ever because you were wrong about one player...

So, I read through everything, but there's not all that much to say, other than "Yay us," I suppose. I can't even begin to unravel Nog's shenanigans. The next Day is gonna be sick, y'all.

-------------------------

So yeah, if you guys didn't think there was enough to talk about toDay, there you go. :p

[Kath]

Oh bum - having almost determined that Gwath was a wolf in the previous post I can find very little to be suspicious about with anyone else. I might leave it a couple of hours and try and come back with fresh eyes.

[Kath]

Huh ... and having said that if Brinn continues to make those extremely long quote posts I'll put her on the likely to be a wolf list just for the principle of the thing! :rolleyes:

[Brinniel]

Goodness, I'm floodposting even more than the phantom. :rolleyes:

Okay, so some thoughts:

Gil-Galad: I still don't think he's the last wolf. Kath raises a good point that if he were the wolf, there probably wouldn't have been a kill. And if he is killing at Night and intentionally not posting during the Day, that is very unsporty.

Greenie: Even after looking at those quotes, I still can't get a read on her.

Gwathagor: He's made quite a few comments that I find rather fishy. He's someone I can imagine as the final wolf.

Ilya: I don't think that quote by Nogrod really says anything about her innocence or guilt. She doesn't seem to make as big of a presence in all those quotes, but that could be because she's a bit quieter.

Lommy: As of now, she looks the most innocent to me. Now not only because of Agan's death, but also because of comments and suspicions she made.

Kath: She's another I'm not getting a terribly good read of based off of the quotes alone. The only thing I find discomforting about her is that her presence was so brief yesterDay, but then again she usually is quiet.

Nerwen: morm's suspicion of her doesn't mean too much to me, but then when Nogrod suspects her too, I wonder how likely two wolves would go after a mate when she does have a chance getting lynched. While I don't want to eliminate the possibility, I think it's less likely.

Rune: He looked okay up until yesterDay...I really don't like his reactions to Boromir's reveal. It looked like someone who was frustrated that his entire team was in trouble and was having trouble hiding such frustrations.

Sally: I do find her eagerness to lynch the wolves suspicious. It could be a cover-up to how she feels about the real situation.

the phantom: A known innocent. While we can listen to him toDay knowing he speaks with complete honesty, we don't actually have to talk about him for once. :p

So...

Suspicious:
Gwath
Rune
Sally

No Idea:
Greenie
Ilya
Kath
Nerwen

Innocent/ish:
Gil
Lommy
the phantom

[Brinniel]

Huh ... and having said that if Brinn continues to make those extremely long quote posts I'll put her on the likely to be a wolf list just for the principle of the thing!
Hmph, well I did warn yesterDay that I was going to do it.

I don't think I realised how long it'd actually be, but I didn't want to back out of my promise. But yes, I'm done with the long posts. Thank goodness for that. :rolleyes:

[Thinlómien]

I was too lazy to really read, so I decided to content myself with just a little table for the time being... Here's it, the numbers stand for the Days, of course... (and I saw no reason to analyse yesterDay.)

Voted as rep
Ka -> 1. Boro (seer), 2. Lommy, 3. Greenie
morm -> 1. Nogrod (wolf), 2. Agan (ordo), 3. Lommy
Nogrod -> 1. Ilya, 2. Boro (seer), 3. Kath

Voted them as rep
Gwath -> 1. Nogrod
Greenie -> 2. morm, 3. morm
Rune -> 2. morm, 3. morm
Kath -> 3. Nog
Boro (seer) -> 3. Nog

Voted against
Nogrod -> 1. Gwath, 3. phantom (ordo)
morm -> 2. Nerwen

Voted against them
Lommy -> 3. Ka
Boro (seer) -> 3. Ka
Shasta (ordo) -> 3. Ka

Now, does this tell us something?

Not necessarily. We should look at the wolves' posts, and others' posts about them. But if I was to look at this merely, I would say that myself, Greenie and Kath look suspicious. The wolves seem to have supported each other even quite boldly at times, so it would fit the pattern if one of us was a wolf. I'm not, so I'm eyeing Greenie and Kath a bit suspiciously... but like I said, I wouldn't draw any conclusions without taking a look at the actual posts. *sigh*

PS. I think this makes Nerwen and Gwath look innocentish.


edit: xed with everything after Ilya

[Thinlómien]

I haven't read Brinn's quotes properly, but I will do so soon. I will just comment on these:

mormegil - like I said, he makes me really uneasy. It's just a gut-feeling. And I know my bad gut-feelings of morm are not to be trusted. So I will refrain from lobbying for his lynch until I have a reasoning-based reason to suspect him...

Nogrod - seems sensible and innocentish. My only worry is that he seems almost too much so.

The Ka - I like her but I don't trust her. She seems a little non-commital ("I'm an observer, sorry, I won't post that much") and a little odd, too. She'll never earn my trust easily after that performance as an evil Radagast...
I pasted this quote without putting a name next to it. I think it was said by Lommy...Yep, that was me.

Nogrod - My theory about why he suddenly jumped on Legate on poor grounds combined with the night kill of McCaber (yes, I too thought about Nog or someone framing Nog being behind it...) makes me feel uneasy about him.

mormegil - Has given me no reason whatsoever to suspect him. Feels genuine and reasonable and raises good points.

The Ka - Now if Nerwen is sneaky, then what is Ka? (answer: very sneaky.)
Argh, another quote where I forgot to put a name next to. I think it might be Greenie's.Indeed it was her. (I asked her.)

I have absolutely no idea what to think of Noggie. He seems paranoid.
I accidentally marked this quote to be by Nogrod. Obviously I messed up. I can't remember who it belongs to.That was me.

morm - he's flown under my radar a bit but I suspect that's because he's one of these that makes quite long posts and my currently slightly limited time does force me to skim read a bit so I'm probably just missing the substance that he is putting in there. Ooh, though actually he did say that thing about phantom being overly silly. My feeling on that is that if phantom is playing up he's not anything that matters.

Ka - her usual self I think, playing around, which again makes me feel pretty good about her.

Nog - Now this is a really bizarre thing ... I have no opinion on him, and that's just unheard of with me and Nog. I suspect it's because I think he's innocent and I can't bear to believe that! But there you go.
Gah, I didn't mark this one either!And this was Kath.


My problem is that the three I suspect the most right now are the phantom, morm and Nogrod. And although I have kind of got rid of the way of thinking that you need exceptionally good reasons to lynch a veteran loudmouth ( ) it would feel silly to lynch one after that was already done with not-so-spectacular results yesterDay. Or actually, I think it's just that I think I suspect them simply because they have caught my attention by making such a show by being loud and aggressive.

I would otherwise seriously consider Ka, but I wonder if she'd vote me for a rep after I had listed her in my suspicious category if she was a wolf...
Or this one...but I'm almost positive it's by Lommy.You're right about that.

:):D;)

[Thinlómien]

I read Brinn's quotes, so...

suspicious-ish
Greenie
sally
Kath

neutral
Brinn
Rune
Gwath
Ilya
Gil

innocentish
Nerwen

I'm still not sure I'm going to vote Nerwen as my rep. Hmmm...

PS.
I don't think it's very likely this is a wolf-on-wolf vote. But again, it's not impossible. Lommy voted for her early on and perhaps didn't expect her to actually get lynched.Actually, I thought it rather probable. Not many people wanted to lynch tp, nor the third candidate (whoever it was) and neither did I, and I genuinely suspected Ka but I wouldn't have voted her if I had thought there was no chance of her getting lynched - introducing a third candidate would have been pointless otherwise. I remember I thought there were some people who could vote Ka among the reps who had nor voted yet.

[Thinlómien]

++Nerwen for rep

I guess I trust her the most.

[A Little Green]

I'm voting Lommy, Kath or Nerwen for rep toDay. All three are bright ladies who seem innocentish. I'm most sure of Lommy's innocence, Kath I'd love to see more of and I agree with her a lot, and Nerwen has already received one vote so I could make sure she is through, for I'm going to sleep in an instant. Hmmm... Quick thoughts, anybody?

[A Little Green]

++ Kath for rep

Reasons stated earlier. I'm off to bed now.

[Kath]

Ah I thought I had more time - who knew it was Sunday already? :rolleyes: Anyway, as I'm up for work tomorrow I'm going to have to vote now without a chance to look at everyone properly. I did have a quick readthrough of most people's posts earlier and Lommy is still striking me as innocent. Rune as well actually but he isn't around so much so:

++LOMMY for Rep

[the phantom]

Yeesh. A page already?

You people post way too much.

[the phantom]

Here is the Rep voting from the first three days. Listed at the top are the three known Werewolves.

morm ++ Nog/Agan/Lommy
Nog +++ Ilya/Boro/Kath
KA ++++ Boro/Lommy/Green
----------
Brin ++++ Agan/Kath/Shasta
Gil +++++ none/none/none
Green ++ Brin/morm/morm
Gwath ++ Nog/none/Boro
Ilya ++++ Boro/Rune/Boro
Kath ++++ Lommy/Boro/Nog
Lommy ++ Ilya/Nerwen/Shasta
Nerwen ++ none/Lommy/Kath
Rune ++++ none/morm/morm
Sally ++++ Legate/none/Green

Strictly looking at Rep voting, Brin, Nerwen, and Sally have no ties to the known Wolves.

Green has three ties. Kath, Lommy, and Rune have two ties.

With the known Wolves themselves, on Day 1 morm voted for Nog.

Here is the question we must ask. Did the Wolves consider it to be more important to gain voting power, or to win over innocents and tie themselves to innocents? Or were they trying to do both at the same time?

For instance, let's say they wanted to get Lommy on their side and tie themselves to her, but still get themselves elected. That would point to Kath.

But say they were primarily after voting power. Then Green and Rune don't look so good for their consecutive morm votes.

Or did they wish to minimize ties to fellow WWs for the most part? That would implicate the extremely clean voters (Brin and Sally).

[the phantom]

Does anyone have a complete listing of lynch votes?

I don't have time for anything other than these couple of comments. I'll try and get on tonight and comment on some other people.

Gil- Would he no show with a role? Doubt it.
Kath- She claimed to not know the Rep rules during Day 1 (she thought only Reps could post the second half). Would a KathWolf bluff something RL like that? Though I don't like that she posted on Day 2 and claimed that she hadn't even read the thread far enough to know if she was even alive and supposed to be posting. Wouldn't an Ordo check and see if they had been Wolf-killed before they posted?
Nerwen- Her failure to cast a Day 1 vote and the fact that she claimed not to know the rules makes her look fairly clean. I mean- she thought there was a Ranger. Would a NerWolf bluff something like that?
Rune- He showed up late and acted like he didn't know we had started. Would a RuneWolf bluff something RL like that?

[satansaloser2005]

Yeesh. A page already?

You people post way too much.



Heh. Pot. Kettle.



Okay, getting some more work done on my paper (because you all totally care about my academic commitments) but I popped in to see what was up.


I give you a list. A more complete list, anyway. Sorry about the lack of detail; keep me around past toDay and I will most definitely be more active. (By the way, sorry about being so jumpy yesterDay. I was so ecstatic I could kind of let my brain go on auto-pilot and actually work through things I got a tad hyper. Meh, it happens. Point is, I'm enjoying the game. I can't understand why that's suspicious, but hey, to each their own)



On to my list! And in honor of kidnergarteners everywhere....


Red Light:
Nerwen
Ilya
Brinn

Yellow Light:
Kath
Gwath
Rune
Lommie
Greenie

Green Light:
Phantom
Gil (gah....so conflicted!!!!!)


I'll be more detailed later. Please feel free to ask questions or address concerns and I'll deal with them when I get a chance. And in advance, I'm really stressed right now so I'm either going to be completely cracked or really....well, really female. So in advance if I'm a bit cranky or insane don't take it personally.


Back as soon as I get a chance!

~~Sally~~

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Sorry for not being around today, but I slept alot of it away due to a staff party last night and the afternoon and evening have been spend with the family. (My sister is leaving for New Zealand on tuesday)

I have limited time before I need to go to bed. . .with school and all tomorow, but I will try read through the action of today and make a post.

[Gwathagor]

I kinda find it funny that Gwath and Ilya's reactions to Ka's death look so similar. Especially when put next to each other.



That is uncanny. I want to point out that if any imitation occurred, it was on the part of Ilya.


To find the last wolf just look for the guy who's eating his boot.

Is this a figure of speech that I haven't heard before? Or should we take it as a hint?

I will probably vote phantom for rep, because I know for a fact that he is innocent.

[Ilya]

Ok, I don't have a lot of time to post before the procrastination patrol catches me on the computer. But, firstly, major props to Brinn for putting together the mega-posts and tp for the voting records.

Gil...would not be this absent, even as a wolf. We could try to put together another double-lynch just to be sure, but that sorta seems like overkill. I believe he honestly forgot about the game.

Gwath is still too slippery for me to get a good read on yet. It was kinda funny our reactions were worded similarly, yeah. Although, the points we made were different.

Interesting point about Sally's eagerness to double-lynch. Hadn't thought of that, although it is the sorta triple-double ploy thinking that can be spun either way.

I understand Rune's day 4 frustrations, though. It sucks when you're wrong and I think Rune's writing style favors hyperbole.

I'll vote in about an hour or so, after I've done some non-WW-related work.

[Gwathagor]

I googled the phrase "eat his boot." My only results had to do with Charlie Chaplin, tramps, or some combination thereof. It seems unlikely, though, that morm would hint as to the identities of a fellow wolf. So I guess I should disregard the remark.

EDIT: Crossed with Ilya

[Gwathagor]

Now that I think about it, morm was probably just trying to throw us off.i

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Goodness, I'm floodposting even more than the phantom. :rolleyes:

Okay, so some thoughts:

Gil-Galad: I still don't think he's the last wolf. Kath raises a good point that if he were the wolf, there probably wouldn't have been a kill. And if he is killing at Night and intentionally not posting during the Day, that is very unsporty.

Greenie: Even after looking at those quotes, I still can't get a read on her.

Gwathagor: He's made quite a few comments that I find rather fishy. He's someone I can imagine as the final wolf.

Ilya: I don't think that quote by Nogrod really says anything about her innocence or guilt. She doesn't seem to make as big of a presence in all those quotes, but that could be because she's a bit quieter.

Lommy: As of now, she looks the most innocent to me. Now not only because of Agan's death, but also because of comments and suspicions she made.

Kath: She's another I'm not getting a terribly good read of based off of the quotes alone. The only thing I find discomforting about her is that her presence was so brief yesterDay, but then again she usually is quiet.

Nerwen: morm's suspicion of her doesn't mean too much to me, but then when Nogrod suspects her too, I wonder how likely two wolves would go after a mate when she does have a chance getting lynched. While I don't want to eliminate the possibility, I think it's less likely.

Rune: He looked okay up until yesterDay...I really don't like his reactions to Boromir's reveal. It looked like someone who was frustrated that his entire team was in trouble and was having trouble hiding such frustrations.

Sally: I do find her eagerness to lynch the wolves suspicious. It could be a cover-up to how she feels about the real situation.

the phantom: A known innocent. While we can listen to him toDay knowing he speaks with complete honesty, we don't actually have to talk about him for once. :p

So...

Suspicious:
Gwath
Rune
Sally

No Idea:
Greenie
Ilya
Kath
Nerwen

Innocent/ish:
Gil
Lommy
the phantom

Yes you are posting alot, but most of your posts just consists of what others have said with out any comments.

With all the stuff you have gone through it leaves me confused when some of your comments are so vague, like the one about Lommy. What comments and suspicions did she make that points to her innocens. I am assuming that it is more than just a genneral feel that you get from her posts, because if she just feels innocent then that is what you should write. . .

That being said, I actually think you make some good points about some people. I am thinking about Green, Gwath and Gil. I have absolutely no idea what to think of Green, Lommy and Sally. I agree that Kath makes a valid point about Gil and that he is most likely innocent, I think that we should just decide not to lynch him. If he is to be killed it has to be now, so any suspicion about Gil should be voiced now. (wait. . . if he is kept alive it could present trouble if we reach the final day and he is one of the last 3 remaining)

Kath seem rather innocent to me, but she is always hard to read because her posts comes in limited amounts. . . Something she benefits from when she is a wolf.

I used to suspect Nerwen and Ilya, but I need to go back and have a closer look especially at Nerwen. I fear that I might have been influenced a bit my Morm in my view of her, also Brinn makes a valid point about both Morm and Nogrod suspecting her.

Brinn is difficult for me to figure out. She almost always seem slightly wolf-like to me and hardly ever is and yet again I find my self wanting to see her dangle from the gallows. She makes those "qote-posts" that I am not overly fond of, at least not as long as they are not follow up by comments or are part of a longer case. I guess I find her too vague and her suspicions are often based on one thing only, she seems to be trying not to upset people.
However I did think she made some alright points in her post and it may be that she is a person that I will always suspect, because of this I would like her around for one more day.

Now I am afraid that I have to be a bit vague, because I find Gwath suspicous, but I cannot tell you why. I do however promis to look at what he has said as soon as I am done with my classes tomorrow.

So based on my memory and what I have read today:

No Idea:
Gil-Galad
Greenie
Lommy
Sally

Innocent:
Kath

Slightly Wolfish:
Ilya
Nerwen

Lynch Candidates
Gwathagor
Brinniel

[Gwathagor]

Now I am afraid that I have to be a bit vague, because I find Gwath suspicous, but I cannot tell you why. I do however promis to look at what he has said as soon as I am done with my classes tomorrow.


Maybe you mean it, but it looks to me like you're just following the suspicions of those before you - without making a definite commitment.

[satansaloser2005]

Sally: I do find her eagerness to lynch the wolves suspicious. It could be a cover-up to how she feels about the real situation.


By the way, I'd just like clarification. How does being happy about lynching the wolves make me suspicious? Boro and Phantom were also happy about this fact, as were hopefully the other innocents. Are you suggesting that they had other motives as well? I'm just saying.


Basically if you'd explain this a bit better I'm sure I'd understand why that was suspicious. Doesn't matter to me either way, but I'd just like to know.



Alternatively, I'm torn. Two of the rep candidates are people I'm uneasy about and the other (Lommie) has a pretty high chance of lynching....well, me. I trust Lommie the most but at the same time I know that killing me will do no good, so why elect someone who won't help the village win the game (at least with this vote)? Know what I'm saying?


Blech. I may go for Phantom, although I believe he said earlier he doesn't want to be a rep. May as well make yourself useful the last Day you're around though.


I'll be back again later. About 15-20% of the way done, yay!


ETA: My yellow list in the post above is pretty much in order of suspicion, by the way, in case that helps you know what's going on in my brain.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Does anyone have a complete listing of lynch votes?

I don't have time for anything other than these couple of comments. I'll try and get on tonight and comment on some other people.

Gil- Would he no show with a role? Doubt it.
Kath- She claimed to not know the Rep rules during Day 1 (she thought only Reps could post the second half). Would a KathWolf bluff something RL like that? Though I don't like that she posted on Day 2 and claimed that she hadn't even read the thread far enough to know if she was even alive and supposed to be posting. Wouldn't an Ordo check and see if they had been Wolf-killed before they posted?
Nerwen- Her failure to cast a Day 1 vote and the fact that she claimed not to know the rules makes her look fairly clean. I mean- she thought there was a Ranger. Would a NerWolf bluff something like that?
Rune- He showed up late and acted like he didn't know we had started. Would a RuneWolf bluff something RL like that?

These are interesting thoughts, but sooner or later there must be a werewolf who claims to misunderstand the rules in order to look innocent. . .So is it in this game?

Anyways I classes in 7 hours and I am sitting here unable to decide who to vote for, all I can say is that it will be either The Phantom or for Kath.

I see that Gwath has posted and that reminds me of why he is on my list, it is these very short posts that deals with seemingly unimportant topics. . . Basicly it leaves us with very little to analyse and he leaves hardly any trail at all to follow.

About my earlier post: I should probably point out that Ilya and Nerwen are closer to my "no idea" category than my "lynch candidate" at the moment.

EDIT: Cross posted with Gwath and Sally

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

It looks like Gwath and Sally will make Phantom a representative so I will vote for Kath.

++Kath for Representative

[satansaloser2005]

It looks like Gwath and Sally will make Phantom a representative so I will vote for Kath.

++Kath for Representative

Speaking of which, where is Mister Big Mouth, erm, Big Stuff? ;)



Blah. I should stop checking the board. I'm not getting any work done when I'm constantly refreshing, and I'm not even posting. Back in about half an hour, or when I get to four pages, whichever comes first. (Hopefully the latter)

[the phantom]

Hmm... Three people have mentioned me as a Rep candidate.

I mean, if you honestly want to do it that way, I won't order you not to. I'm just saying that if you are an Ordo you should want to be a Rep more than me, for you are able to rule out someone other than yourself (me), but I cannot rule out anyone at all, which means that you have a slight statistical advantage when it comes to WW lynching.

Unless you are just hoping to keep the WW from impacting the lynch in any way. But of course if that is the goal then the whole village can just vote for me and I'll pick someone to die.

But that hardly seems democratic. :D

[Nerwen]

Firstly, thanks Brinniel for your massive task in putting all those posts together.

Does anyone have a complete listing of lynch votes?

I don't have time for anything other than these couple of comments. I'll try and get on tonight and comment on some other people.

Gil- Would he no show with a role? Doubt it.
Kath- She claimed to not know the Rep rules during Day 1 (she thought only Reps could post the second half). Would a KathWolf bluff something RL like that? Though I don't like that she posted on Day 2 and claimed that she hadn't even read the thread far enough to know if she was even alive and supposed to be posting. Wouldn't an Ordo check and see if they had been Wolf-killed before they posted?
Nerwen- Her failure to cast a Day 1 vote and the fact that she claimed not to know the rules makes her look fairly clean. I mean- she thought there was a Ranger. Would a NerWolf bluff something like that?
Rune- He showed up late and acted like he didn't know we had started. Would a RuneWolf bluff something RL like that?

Speaking for myself, I'd certainly not bluff like that. However, on principle, it doesn't prove I'm innocent either, or that Rune and Kath are. This time of year it's not unlikely that a wolf might have been too busy to read the rules and/or confer with packmates– that is, genuine confusion doesn't rule out guilt.


On to my list! And in honor of kidnergarteners everywhere....


Red Light:
Nerwen
Ilya
Brinn

Yellow Light:
Kath
Gwath
Rune
Lommie
Greenie

Green Light:
Phantom
Gil (gah....so conflicted!!!!!)


I'll be more detailed later. Please feel free to ask questions or address concerns and I'll deal with them when I get a chance. And in advance, I'm really stressed right now so I'm either going to be completely cracked or really....well, really female. So in advance if I'm a bit cranky or insane don't take it personally.


Back as soon as I get a chance!

~~Sally~~

Now, I don't like the look of Sally.
I didn't like her push for a triple-lynch yesterDay. I didn't like her reaction when I criticised it–

#1320.
Mind you, you're in an awful hurry to make other people look bad, Nerwen my dear.

I didn't like how easily she followed morm's "suspicion" of me and I don't like the way she continues to have me as chief suspect even after morm's exposure as a wolf... with no explanation. Okay, wolf-on-wolf voting is common enough– but not so common that you can assume it. You need a proper case. She says she's going to make one– I'd be interested to hear it. (Also, why has Brinn suddenly appeared on the suspicion list?)

With all that, I must admit that I have a long history of being badly wrong about Sally.

EDIT: X'd since Rune at 1545.
EDIT2: fixed bolding.

[the phantom]

but sooner or later there must be a werewolf who claims to misunderstand the rules in order to look innocent. . .So is it in this game?
I hope not. You know, I think that this is an issue that we can extend beyond this village. Perhaps in the future there should be some rule reading something like "You must read the rules and Day/Night closing and opening posts. If it looks like you haven't (to the extent that you don't even know what the roles are or who is dead) then you will be mod-fired." That would keep people from playing the "I don't even know the rules so I can't be a Wolf" card.

In this game we must consider who it is that appears to have done this to some extent and determine if they are the sort of person who would play such a card.

[Ilya]

The Reprehensible Reps
Kath

The Notorious Nominees
Lommy
Nerwen

The Villainous Voters
Rune for Kath
Lommy for Nerwen
Kath for Lommy
Greenie for Kath

The Unseemly Undecideds
Brinn
Nerwen
Phantom
Gil
Sally
Gwath
Ilya

[the phantom]

Ah, almost forgot- we can add Gwath to the list of names that had misunderstandings concerning rules. On Day 1 he didn't say much and then announced his intention to vote himself for Rep.

[Nerwen]

I hope not. You know, I think that this is an issue that we can extend beyond this village. Perhaps in the future there should be some rule reading something like "You must read the rules and Day/Night closing and opening posts. If it looks like you haven't (to the extent that you don't even know what the roles are or who is dead) then you will be mod-fired." That would keep people from playing the "I don't even know the rules so I can't be a Wolf" card.

In this game we must consider who it is that appears to have done this to some extent and determine if they are the sort of person who would play such a card.

Just a comment: off the top of my head, I can't remember a wolf playing the "I don't know the rules" card. It seems to be more of a hypothetical ploy than a real one– or is it something wolves used to do, before my time?

I can remember one who really did have no idea what was going on or what Day it was (and yes, she was considered innocent because of it).

[the phantom]

I can remember one who really did have no idea what was going on or what Day it was (and yes, she was considered innocent because of it).
Yes, and that's why I think in the future it might be a good idea to modfire for doing it, for it seems to be odd that we would reward a Werewolf for being wilfully ignorant of the rules and not dedicating time to the village.

[satansaloser2005]

Actually, I'm pretty sure I have made a case against Nerwen. Not all in one post, granted, but I've said things about her here and there, before she started suspecting me, so it's not like I just suddenly put her on my suspicion list.

As for Brinn, yes, my apologies, I haven't explained myself. I will get around to it, but alas not tonight. It just can't happen. My next....*counts*....about 18 hours will be hectic, so depending on how long I'm at work I'll be around to post more specific thoughts on Brinn before the deadline.


And for now, I must be off. Out for dinner with a friend and working on my paper while we're waiting for our yummy pizza. Yay foods! *shifty eyes*

[Brinniel]

Gil- Would he no show with a role? Doubt it.
Kath- She claimed to not know the Rep rules during Day 1 (she thought only Reps could post the second half). Would a KathWolf bluff something RL like that? Though I don't like that she posted on Day 2 and claimed that she hadn't even read the thread far enough to know if she was even alive and supposed to be posting. Wouldn't an Ordo check and see if they had been Wolf-killed before they posted?
Nerwen- Her failure to cast a Day 1 vote and the fact that she claimed not to know the rules makes her look fairly clean. I mean- she thought there was a Ranger. Would a NerWolf bluff something like that?
Rune- He showed up late and acted like he didn't know we had started. Would a RuneWolf bluff something RL like that?
About those who didn't show/vote on Day 1, while I can't say anything about these specific players, I can say that there have been werewolves who didn't show/vote the first Day...so it doesn't necessarily mean innocence. After all, no shows often happen due to RL and that can't be helped whether your innocent or a werewolf. As for Nerwen, her stating that she forgot there was a ranger doesn't necessarily mean that she had to bluff to be a wolf. Even as a wolf, she could've honestly forgotten about it. The only one I could totally eliminate as a ww is Gil who hasn't shown up at all. And Kath looks more innocent because unless she didn't get the Nightly PMs, I don't see how she could miss Legate's death without bluffing (and I don't think she would).

With all the stuff you have gone through it leaves me confused when some of your comments are so vague, like the one about Lommy. What comments and suspicions did she make that points to her innocens. I am assuming that it is more than just a genneral feel that you get from her posts, because if she just feels innocent then that is what you should write. . .
The quotes/comments I saw that make Lommy look more innocent were among those long quote posts...I actually did make comments about them right after posting the quote if you read them.

Brinn is difficult for me to figure out. She almost always seem slightly wolf-like to me and hardly ever is and yet again I find my self wanting to see her dangle from the gallows. She makes those "qote-posts" that I am not overly fond of, at least not as long as they are not follow up by comments or are part of a longer case. I guess I find her too vague and her suspicions are often based on one thing only, she seems to be trying not to upset people.
However I did think she made some alright points in her post and it may be that she is a person that I will always suspect, because of this I would like her around for one more day.
What a meanie, you always want me dead. :p And you're right you always suspect me, and I often suspect you....I do think it's because we just don't agree on each other's posting styles.
As much as you don't like quote posts, I made them because it's easier for me to see all the information right there rather than search through 30-something pages. I made comments afterward...I don't know how much longer you want those comments to be. Is there some sort of standard you have? I'm not Nogrod or Legate...who both make posts long enough to write a book. ;)

By the way, I'd just like clarification. How does being happy about lynching the wolves make me suspicious? Boro and Phantom were also happy about this fact, as were hopefully the other innocents. Are you suggesting that they had other motives as well? I'm just saying.
First off, you were awful eager for a triple lynch...for someone who I think is probably innocent. We already bagged three wolves...what's the rush to lynch another player who is most likely not even a wolf? Secondly, you were so eager to lynch the two wolves you went to the effort of devising a way so that all reps would be involved rather than use the original plan to abstain, which would've worked fine. You seemed much more eager than everyone else, and if you're a wolf, using eagerness could be a way to compensate for your frustrations. Plus, if you were one of the reps actively lynching the wolves, you could've thought it could be a way to distance yourself from them. Did that answer your question?

[Ilya]

This is probably the last thing I'm going to be able to post tonight, so,

++Brinn for rep

Even though Brinn was on my initial list of suspicious people, she's doing a lot, a lot of analysis that makes sense to me, and I don't think that a lone wolf right on the heels of a double-lynch would go to that much effort.

[Nerwen]

Actually, I'm pretty sure I have made a case against Nerwen. Not all in one post, granted, but I've said things about her here and there, before she started suspecting me, so it's not like I just suddenly put her on my suspicion list.

Sally, all I can recollect is that you echoed morm's suspicion of me. Now, a number of people– including a known innocent– agreed with his points on me at the time– but you're the only one who still heavily suspects me now that we know morm was a wolf. Logically, you can only be sincere about this if you think there's a case for it being a wolf-on-wolf ploy. Therefore you must state this case.

In the meantime, I'll vote

++Lommy for rep

EDIT: X'd since Sally at #1563.

[the phantom]

I'd like to see Green as a Rep.

++Green for Rep

[satansaloser2005]

First off, you were awful eager for a triple lynch...for someone who I think is probably innocent. We already bagged three wolves...what's the rush to lynch another player who is most likely not even a wolf? Secondly, you were so eager to lynch the two wolves you went to the effort of devising a way so that all reps would be involved rather than use the original plan to abstain, which would've worked fine. You seemed much more eager than everyone else, and if you're a wolf, using eagerness could be a way to compensate for your frustrations. Plus, if you were one of the reps actively lynching the wolves, you could've thought it could be a way to distance yourself from them. Did that answer your question?

Yup. You're still wrong, but now I know what you mean. Thanks for clarifying, sweetie. :)

[satansaloser2005]

I'd like to see Green as a Rep.

++Green for Rep

Oho! Now we're cooking with gas.


++Greenie for rep


Laptop battery's dying, but quickly before I go. Yes, I know she was going to vote Phantom last time I chose her as a rep, but given the circumstances I felt I could trust her more than the other candidates available. Same thing toDay.

Blast! Have to go! Back later!


ETA: Nerwen, I'll respond to you later. Don't worry. I'll go back and quote my posts, if nothing else, because I don't know if I'll have much time, but I'll do my best. Until then! *scurries*

[Brinniel]

I was going to vote Lommy, but she already has two votes, and I don't know if I really care to give her a third.

I could vote Nerwen...while I'm not sure of her innocence, I'm not exactly terribly suspicious of her since two wolves suspected her quite heavily, and one voted for her at a time where she was at risk of getting lynched.

I noticed tp voted Greenie. She's one I might be interested in voting for...a lot that she says I happen to agree with.

EDIT: X-ed with Sally

[Brinniel]

Okay then:

++Nerwen for rep

As it seems my other favoured reps have gone through. And I think Nerwen will do a fine job as my rep. She's made some good points toDay as well.

[the phantom]

Okay- here's the same thoughts as last time with new people added below.

Gil- Would he no show with a role? Doubt it.
Kath- She claimed to not know the Rep rules during Day 1 (she thought only Reps could post the second half). Would a KathWolf bluff something RL like that? Though I don't like that she posted on Day 2 and claimed that she hadn't even read the thread far enough to know if she was even alive and supposed to be posting. Wouldn't an Ordo check and see if they had been Wolf-killed before they posted?
Nerwen- Her failure to cast a Day 1 vote and the fact that she claimed not to know the rules makes her look fairly clean. I mean- she thought there was a Ranger. Would a NerWolf bluff something like that?
Rune- He showed up late and acted like he didn't know we had started. Would a RuneWolf bluff something RL like that?
Gwath- He thought on Day 1 that he could vote himself to be a Rep. Would a GwathWolf bluff that sort of thing?
Lommy- Her suspicions have been good and bad, and mostly understandable. The only time I've seen her as a WW though is when I was her partner, so I wasn't trying to read her. But her reactions to things have been pretty good in my opinion. Oh, and her KA vote- a non-Wolf flag, or a WW trying to remove herself from suspicion?
Green- When she argues with people and takes offense and whatnot, it seems genuine. I like her lists, and choosing morm two days in a row- surely as a WW she'd be scared to do that. Anyway, she should definitely get a free pass through today because of her birthday.
Ilya- Good reactions in general. I like the way she states suspicions. But then it's weird that Nog voted for her. Or was he perhaps trying to win her over?
Sally- I'm having trouble with her because I met her last weekend, and the whole "don't discuss the game outside the thread" rule was difficult to stick to. I found myself automatically trying to read her, and yet trying not to. I think it's carried over in that now any feeling I have on her- I'm worried I'm drawing part of it from RL.
Brin- I get bad vibes from her sometimes, or is it just her style? Sometimes she came across as suspicious of too many people, but none of them enough so, if that makes sense. Her after-the-fact reaction to KA getting votes (before she was lynched) was rather innocent though, or very well crafted at least. And all the info she's posting- very nice. But is she banking on it to win her points in our minds?

[the phantom]

Anyway, I've got a huge week to get ready for. I should be popping in and out during the final seven hours tomorrow, so you'll see me then.

[Gwathagor]

.....oh no, I missed the deadline again. Drat. I wasn't even doing anything important. I was watching TV in the other room. I apologize.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Not much has taken place since I left last night, I was convinced I would have to read through at least 2 pages.

Anyways I am around for some hours, but I have a paper to write and quite a bit of stuff that needs tending to, so it might be a while before I put together a post.

[A Little Green]

Hello everyone, I'm around, will be posting something substantial soonish.. So I'm a rep again? And here I was hoping for a peaceful evening.. :rolleyes:

[Mithalwen]

Sorry Fea has asked us to hold the fort for a little longer. Just so I know I am on the right track, I make the voting for rep to be as below (growls slightly at sally who quoted highlighted votes making it harder to count the blighters :p ).

Nerwen (Brin, Lommie)
Greenie (sally, phantom)
Lommie (Nerwen, Kath)
Brinniel (Ilya)
Kath (Rune. greenie)

So Nerwen, Greenie, Lommie and Kath are all reps with equal power (2 votes each) - do you concur?

[A Little Green]

Since no one has done this yet... Our reps for toDay are:
Nerwen (2 - Lommy, Brinniel)
Kath (2 - Greenie, Rune)
Lommy (2 - Nerwen, Kath)
Greenie (2 - the phantom, Sally)

Ilya voted for Brinn. Gil (surprise surprise) and Gwathie didn't vote.

I have nothing to complain about since the reps are the three I considered voting and myself. :)

List coming up...


EDIT: x-ed with the lovely modgoddess Mith who looks to have done the same thing as I.. :p

[A Little Green]

I WOULDN'T LYNCH TODAY:
Brinniel - Still nothing new.
Gil-Galad - Kath raised a good point about him: he wouldn't have made the Night kill since he doesn't appear at all during the Day.. Or at least, if he does that I'm going to strangle him personally.
Greenie - Well obviously.
Lommy - Still the one who seems the most innocentish this far.
Kath - Seems innocentish and has good points I think a wolf would not raise.
Nerwen - Seems innocentish as well.
Rune - The same with him. I have no reason to suspect he's a wolf. Especially his voting twice for morm seems like something a wolf wouldn't do.
the phantom - Obvious again.

I COULD BE PERSUADED TO LYNCH TODAY:
Gwathagor - I wouldn't be surprised if he was the last wolf, though he isn't necessarily my top suspect. Does not seem innocentish but not especially wolvish either.
Ilya - I'm still very torn about her. She keeps sending both innocent and wolvish vibes and I can't decide between them.. Leaning suspicious.
Sally - She's the one I'm most uneasy with. No, not because of the double-lynch thingy. Her posts toDay have seemed overall fishy. I'll have a better look at her soon and try to get some concrete examples.

Any ideas of our lynch my fellow reps, and others too?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

What a meanie, you always want me dead. :p And you're right you always suspect me, and I often suspect you....I do think it's because we just don't agree on each other's posting styles.
As much as you don't like quote posts, I made them because it's easier for me to see all the information right there rather than search through 30-something pages. I made comments afterward...I don't know how much longer you want those comments to be. Is there some sort of standard you have? I'm not Nogrod or Legate...who both make posts long enough to write a book. ;)

I know that you did comment on some of the quotes, but we are talking about 1 comment for every 3 quotes or something like that and there is little conclution connected to them.

I would be very happy indeed if you at one point only chose the quotes you needed for your post, the way you do things now just seem very mechanic. Also I belive that we need to be a bit selective about what we bring forth, as a bombardment of unnecessary information will just mean that we cannot see the forrest for the trees.

I do see how your posts can be a practical tool for some people, but to me it just seems like you are trying to win people over by doing alot of work and very little analysing.

EDIT: Cross Posted with Green

[A Little Green]

Looking at Sally...
Sally - very hard nut to crack but maybe more innocentish because of the level of her light-heartedness (she was a bit more focused the last time she was a wolf)This seems very diplomatic, especially considering that it's his first mention of her in the game. His later mentions of her could go either way and nothing special popped out.
Though, if she was a wolf this time, she either is taking the role of a lurker, or is up to something else which I have no clue what and why. Or, she’s innocent, and just busy.I think it's interesting how Ka here ignores the possibility of Sally being both busy and wolf.. I can't decide whether it's intentional or not. Hmmm...

Overall, looking at the wolves' quotes, I think it's interesting how little they talk about Sally in general. No, those two quotes above are not the only ones, of course, they are just two that caught my eye, but the wolves do speak of her quite little... (Of course this might be just due to reading the posts with the assumption that Sally is guilty.)
Actually, I'm pretty sure I have made a case against Nerwen. Not all in one post, granted, but I've said things about her here and there, before she started suspecting me, so it's not like I just suddenly put her on my suspicion list.
Sally, all I can recollect is that you echoed morm's suspicion of me. Now, a number of people– including a known innocent– agreed with his points on me at the time– but you're the only one who still heavily suspects me now that we know morm was a wolf. Logically, you can only be sincere about this if you think there's a case for it being a wolf-on-wolf ploy. Therefore you must state this case.This exchange I find very interesting. Sally's tone is disturbing me, I can't phrase it any clearer, but that passage is the one that worries me most. It's sort of apologetic.. no, that's not quite the word, my English sucks today it seems. Whatever. As for Nerwen's reply, it's a very good point and I think Sally should answer it - of course she might well have other reasons for suspecting Nerwen, but yeah. I'd like to hear them.

Hmmm. The material I looked at (ie. Brinn's quotes & Sally's posts toDay) didn't provide me with as much clarity as I would have wished. Sally's status remains "leaning suspicious".

Anyone around?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I just had a look at most Gwath's posts (exept the very first) and the vast majority is simply one-liners or very very short, of course that need not be bad. The problem is that Gwath seems always to be defending him self or commenting on something, but never comes up with a suspicion. . .exept of course when he did not like Eonwe's list of suspects.

There is of course things that points to his innocents, especially the fact that he thought he could vote for him self. . . The wolves would probably have talked about voting, but who is to say if they talked about the technicalitys of voting? I think it is plausible they only discussed if they should vote for each other or not.

EDIT: Cross posted with En Lille Grøn (En Smule Grøn?)

[Nerwen]

Gil-Galad - Kath raised a good point about him: he wouldn't have made the Night kill since he doesn't appear at all during the Day.. Or at least, if he does that I'm going to strangle him personally.

I move that if he turns out to be a wolf we strangle the moddesses too– because that would be totally unfair.

Kath - Seems innocentish and has good points I think a wolf would not raise.

Agreed, although don't forget that her failure to spend the first two Days trying to lynch Nogrod is pretty darned unusual.;)

Gwathagor - I wouldn't be surprised if he was the last wolf, though he isn't necessarily my top suspect. Does not seem innocentish but not especially wolvish either.

He's posted so rarely that I can't really remember what he's said. I'd like to gather all his posts together, Brinniel-style. (I know Kath has summarised his posts, but I don't like relying on someone else's version.) I need to get some sleep now, though.

Ilya - I'm still very torn about her. She keeps sending both innocent and wolvish vibes and I can't decide between them.. Leaning suspicious.

This is much my own impression... however, if Wolf #4 is Ilya, she's playing an awfully cool hand (paw?) under the circumstances.

Sally - She's the one I'm most uneasy with. No, not because of the double-lynch thingy. Her posts toDay have seemed overall fishy. I'll have a better look at her soon and try to get some concrete examples.

What I want to see is whether she really can put together any kind of case against me– that is, I want some idea of whether she believes what she's saying.

About the triple-lynch business– it wasn't just the fact that she suggested the triple-lynch, it was the way she led up to it, too:

[Note: Posts are not quoted in full]

#1264 [replying to tp, who asked if anyone could see a flaw in his plan]
In all seriousness, I've noticed, but I figured if I didn't say anything maybe no one else would think of it. *shrug* We'll make it work no matter what.

#1267 [when asked what the "flaw" was]
No, no, not like that. It's just going to be too easy for the other wolf to hide in amongst us all. And I was wondering about a couple other things as well, but it's more of a "Sally being Sally" thing.

The lynch plan itself is perfectly fine. :)

Comment: if she's a wolf, this could be an attempt to stall and undermine confidence.

Then she backtracks:

#1270
Oi, I didn't say it was a bad plan. In fact, I'm quite sure I said it was a very good plan, thanks very much.

Then she comes up with her famous triple-lynch proposal:

#1297

[makes case against Gil-Galad]
With that in mind, is anyone else up for a triple lynch? Obviously we could put it off until toMorrow if you so desired, but why wait if we can do it toDay?


(Oh, and Phantom, that was the 'flaw' that I mentioned earlier. Heh told you the plan was fine. I just wanted to make additions:p)

So... suddenly the "flaw" is the fact that the plan doesn't allow triple-lynching?

I find this to be quite a suspicious little sequence.

However, I also think I've been concentrating far too much on Sally. I need to look at other people more.

EDIT: X'd with Rune and Greenie.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I only find that it was the first of those 3 quotes that was odd, the others seem to fit together just fine and I don't find wanting a triple lynch overly suspicious.

Maybe it is just because people always frown upon the slightest mention of multiple lynches that I find it odd that a wolf would sugest such a thing, it would certainly attract unwanted attention.

[Brinniel]

I know that you did comment on some of the quotes, but we are talking about 1 comment for every 3 quotes or something like that and there is little conclution connected to them.
I know within the long post I didn't give much comment, but I dedicated a separate post providing my thoughts on all the players after those posts, based on the quotes. And that's still not enough?

I would be very happy indeed if you at one point only chose the quotes you needed for your post, the way you do things now just seem very mechanic. Also I belive that we need to be a bit selective about what we bring forth, as a bombardment of unnecessary information will just mean that we cannot see the forrest for the trees.
Then that would defeat the whole purpose of gathering info about who said what about one another. This is something I did more for me than anything...to prevent myself from tearing out my hair in frustration as I sift through 1500 posts each time I want to find a certain quote. :rolleyes:

[Gwathagor]

I COULD BE PERSUADED TO LYNCH TODAY:
Gwathagor - I wouldn't be surprised if he was the last wolf, though he isn't necessarily my top suspect. Does not seem innocentish but not especially wolvish either.


If I was a wolf, would I have said this:


I probably wouldn't have voted for The KA. What's the reasoning behind that vote? Lots of us have been super quiet so far, so why KA?

right after the reps had just decided to lynch her?

[Thinlómien]

Alright-y, I'm here too, finally.

Kath- She claimed to not know the Rep rules during Day 1 (she thought only Reps could post the second half). Would a KathWolf bluff something RL like that? A wolf could very well be genuinely confused about rep rules on Day1. I find that far more probable than that a wolf would be genuinely confused about ranger rules on Day2.

Nerwen- Her failure to cast a Day 1 vote and the fact that she claimed not to know the rules makes her look fairly clean. I mean- she thought there was a Ranger.Nerwen always fails to vote on Day1, whatever her role. ;)

I think sally seems a bit too apologetic, nervous and nice. If she's the last wolf that's understandble as there's quite a lot of pressure on her. On the other hand, she has said she's really stressed and that may affect her behaviour, so her nervousness doesn't necessarily mean anything.

It's funny, I don't suspect Rune at all, even though I have absolutely no reason to trust him. He baffles me a little by differing in his opinions from the rest of the village. That's nicely refreshing. (But... I'm wondering - do I recall correctly that that has been the trademark of a wolvish Rune actually? Hmmm... I have to keep an eye on him.) I can't really bring myself to distrust Brinn either... I guess it's just gut-feeling, then. And as for Nerwen, I feel my non-suspicion of her is just a bit more reasonable.

The others I suspect to some degree. Sally the most. Greenie seems kind of genuine, but I can so very well see her as a bold wolf. Rune's suspicion of Gwath strikes me as misguided, I think Gwath is probably an ordo... but I probably think that just because he's flown completely under my radar. :rolleyes: I'm really unsure what to think of Kath and Ilya.

As for Gil, I think this pretty much sums it up:
Actually given that there WAS a kill last Night I'm thinking it's unlikely he is a wolf.
Of course, the moddesses could just have picked his kill for him, but that would be totally unfair...

As for sally's eagerness to lynch Gil, it is indeed a bit weird. Why couldn't it have waited? The numbers favour us at the moment, so we could have afforded a double lynch, yes. But why make it if the subject is probably innocent? Why not wait and see a few Days? Like now Kath has provided us with a point that almost proves Gil's innocence. But an evil sally could have wanted to reduce the number of the innocents, for now that she has been left alone, she will have to walk a rocky path to win. Also, although she explained it, her enthusiasm to take part in the lynch of morm and Nog looks a bit questionable indeed... I don't think it's a bad idea to lynch her toDay, as we have plenty of Days to try. And honestly, I think if we don't lynch sally sooner, she will become an enigma later.

I trust Lommie the most but at the same time I know that killing me will do no good, so why elect someone who won't help the village win the game (at least with this vote)? Know what I'm saying?I understand the sentiment perfectly, but I think an innocent sally could ("could", not "would") have voted me nevertheless, which in turn could have made me trust her more. This being like this, sally just strikes me as more nervous than before. Also, she could have simply said "Lommy will vote me and I don't want to die so I'll vote someone else" but now she masks it as "lynching me won't profit the village", which makes me raise eyebrows. Because, really, we can very well afford losing an ordo right now.

And Kath looks more innocent because unless she didn't get the Nightly PMs, I don't see how she could miss Legate's death without bluffing (and I don't think she would).Oh, that's true. However, her PM inbox could just have been full so that she wouldn't have received the wolf PMs.... so we can't rule her out either.

Green- When she argues with people and takes offense and whatnot, it seems genuine. I like her lists, and choosing morm two days in a row- surely as a WW she'd be scared to do that. Greenie was a bold wolf in her very first game, so I wouldn't put anything past her.


edit: xed with Gwath

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Why is it we would want to lynch Gil in a few days?
It would not like having to wonder about him when we are under pressure, I would rather leave him be or get him out of the way at once.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I forgot to say that I will be leaving now. . .I am going to play some football with my father, but I will be back in a few hours.

[Thinlómien]

Why is it we would want to lynch Gil in a few days?
It would not like having to wonder about him when we are under pressure, I would rather leave him be or get him out of the way at once.I would think there would have been enough to think about in the double-lynch yesterDay. Also - granted, this did not occur to me either, so I can hardly blame sally for not thinking about it - it was wise to wait and see if there's a kill at all.

[A Little Green]

If I was a wolf, would I have said this:
I probably wouldn't have voted for The KA. What's the reasoning behind that vote? Lots of us have been super quiet so far, so why KA?
right after the reps had just decided to lynch her?I can't see why not. :)

Nevertheless, at the moment I feel most comfortable with voting

++ lynch Sally

since she is my top suspect at the moment.

This is what we call awful politicians betraying their voters... :rolleyes: (Seriously though, I never promised not to try and lynch the ones who voted me as rep. Hah.)

[Gwathagor]

As for sally's eagerness to lynch Gil, it is indeed a bit weird. Why couldn't it have waited? The numbers favour us at the moment, so we could have afforded a double lynch, yes. But why make it if the subject is probably innocent? Why not wait and see a few Days?


But why would a wolf-sally want to get rid of Gil in particular? Wouldn't she be more likely to try to get rid of somebody more involved? Gil isn't a threat to anybody at this point.

[Thinlómien]

But why would a wolf-sally want to get rid of Gil in particular? Wouldn't she be more likely to try to get rid of somebody more involved? Gil isn't a threat to anybody at this point.He's a threat in numbers, one more innocent to get out of her way. Also, suggesting triple lynch with anybody else but Gil as the third lynchee would have been a so-called political suicide...

[Gwathagor]

I can't see why not. :)




Because in that post I am associating myself with and practically defending someone who I (were I a wolf as you suggest) would have known would be revealed as a wolf upon her imminent lynching.

EDIT: Crossed with Thinlomien

[Gwathagor]

He's a threat in numbers, one more innocent to get out of her way. Also, suggesting triple lynch with anybody else but Gil as the third lynchee would have been a so-called political suicide...

So you think that she was possibly taking advantage of the situation to try to get rid of an innocent who is otherwise unlikely to be lynched? I guess that makes sense.

[Thinlómien]

So you think that she was possibly taking advantage of the situation to try to get rid of an innocent who is otherwise unlikely to be lynched? I guess that makes sense.Yes. Or, getting rid of one innocent, and Gil was the only candidate whose lynch she could advocate without looking very suspicious herself.

[the phantom]

Real quickly- I wouldn't be too concerned about Sally voicing a desire to lynch a likely innocent Gil. I've been tempted too. Think of this- what if we just leave him around and then we get down to the final day, when there are a total of three villagers left. In a normal game two Ordos can lynch one WW. But in this game, only Reps can lynch. Which means when there are only two Ordos the WW can just sit on his Rep vote and the game is over. So, Gil or not, our last chance will be the day before.

So if we subtract an innocent Gil, that would put the day before at one WW and three Ordos, which is just fine. So Gil doesn't help the tally at all. Keeping him around does not add an extra day of life to the village.

[Gwathagor]

Maybe the wolf has thought that through already, and maybe not.

[Gwathagor]

It doesn't make a lot of difference since I'm not a rep, but I'm most suspicious of Green, sally, and, to a lesser extent, Ilya.

[Thinlómien]

Real quickly- I wouldn't be too concerned about Sally voicing a desire to lynch a likely innocent Gil. I've been tempted too. Think of this- what if we just leave him around and then we get down to the final day, when there are a total of three villagers left. In a normal game two Ordos can lynch one WW. But in this game, only Reps can lynch. Which means when there are only two Ordos the WW can just sit on his Rep vote and the game is over. So, Gil or not, our last chance will be the day before.

So if we subtract an innocent Gil, that would put the day before at one WW and three Ordos, which is just fine. So Gil doesn't help the tally at all. Keeping him around does not add an extra day of life to the village.Okay, I admit I didn't think it that far. You're right. :) So, sorry sally, but I still suspect you the most. ;)


edit: xed with Gwathensen

[Thinlómien]

I should vote soon-ish and I feel like voting sally, but something keeps me from just doing it... Oh well...

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Tadaaa!

I am back after some fun hours playing association football (just to avoid confusion)

I have already looked over the posts that have been made since I left and I thought I spottet a thing or two that I found interesting, I will report back to you about that soon.

[Kath]

Right, it's bedtime for me so I must vote. I never did manage to go back over everyone with a clear mind, every time I tried I just kept finding that they weren't suspicious at all because in the back of my mind I always had this idea that Gwath was suspicious. Therefore I must vote for the one I find suspicious and that is:

++GWATH

[satansaloser2005]

Okay. My paper's done and I just got back from Lincoln, where I got my picture taken about 150 times. Sally's not a pretty girl. Sally doesn't like pictures. But Sally's a theater minor and they're required, so Sally had to go.


Oh wait. This isn't my blog! :rolleyes:


Anyway, I'm back and still a tad cranky. Seems that I may be in for a lynching. If so, have at it. Seems every time I'm an innocent I try to help and end up dead. I'm all for tradition, so enjoy yourselves. (Told you. Cranky.)


Moving on. :) I'll go redo my analysis of Nerwen (so she'll see it all in one post and be happy again) and I'll see what else I can get done. If I do end up dying, I may as well make myself useful to the village, yeah? Because apparently making sure we don't have a non-existent player around on the last Day isn't being helpful. But never fear! I shall try to assist.


And then take a nap. Because I'd like to sleep at some point. ;)

[/crabbiness]


ETA: No, I'm not crabby because of the game, by the way. Just so no one here thinks I'm mad at them. I'm just terribly sleep-deprived and such business.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I might have spoken too soon when I said I spotted something interesting, when I re-read it, it became quite ordinary.

But why would a wolf-sally want to get rid of Gil in particular? Wouldn't she be more likely to try to get rid of somebody more involved? Gil isn't a threat to anybody at this point.

This was what I thought as well, I think Gil would be nice to have around as he is no thread and he will take up some of our focus. (unless of course that we just decide that he is innocent and never talk about him again)

He's a threat in numbers, one more innocent to get out of her way. Also, suggesting triple lynch with anybody else but Gil as the third lynchee would have been a so-called political suicide...

A thread in numbers?
Gil does not count for anymore than the rest of us does he?

Yes. Or, getting rid of one innocent, and Gil was the only candidate whose lynch she could advocate without looking very suspicious herself.

Can you really advocate any lynch without looking very suspicious?
Maybe you can, but it is very difficult.

At first I thought this conversation reflected bad on Lommy, but after looking at it again it does not seem overly suspicious. I did find Lommy's thoughts a bit odd, but that does not need to mean anything and Phantom put things straight in the end anyways.

EDIT: Cross posted with Sally

[Thinlómien]

A thread in numbers?
Gil does not count for anymore than the rest of us does he?No, but it's a question like "do we lynch one innocent more or not"?

Can you really advocate any lynch without looking very suspicious?Yes. Some lynch-advocations look less suspicius to some others.

And sally m'dear, you're making my life difficult. Whenever someone says they're innocent I want to trust them. But on the other hand, no one else striks me as as suspicious as you do... Hmmm.

Btw, we've all been semi-lazy (except Brinn) and rather quiet toDay. Let's be a bit more productive toMorrow, shall we? :)

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I have tried to do my bit, but I am not a floodposter. . .I only keep posting if others do as well, otherwise I feel like I am talking to my self.

[Thinlómien]

++sally

If you're indeed innocent, then I'm sorry for making your day even worse. :) But if you're a wolf, I'm not so sorry. :Merisu:

I assume tp will post us something more comprehensive before today ends. Or at least I hope he will.

I'm going now. See you toMorrow.


edit: xed with Rune

[satansaloser2005]

To follow on from what Boro said, the McCaber kill tells us a lot about the wolves, although Cabbie himself said very little.


Why get rid of Cabbie when he's (as of yet) not posing a threat to you? There's no ranger in your way, why not go for a loud, very experienced player (which isn't to say that Cabbie is a newbie, because he's not) and get one of the big threats out of the way.

For instance, the way I play. (Like I should be telling you all this, but I'm trying to prove a point.)


When I'm seer, my first night dream is ALWAYS someone I know I can rely on to make a lot of trouble. Well, not so much trouble as noise I suppose. That way I already know where they're coming from and can gauge other's reactions from theirs. Either that or someone I thoroughly enjoy playing with, and then I pretty much hope they're innocent so I don't have to kill them. ;) (For instance, the game where I was a seer on here my first dream was Nog.)

When I'm a wolf, and there's a ranger, my first night kill is either a person whom I see as a threat just because of who they are, a person whom I don't like playing with as much as the others (don't take offense at that, any of my/our past kills from other games. I rarely use that as a kill pick method) or for who I think the seer might be (if it doesn't seem too obvious, as in they're leaving fairly big seer hints and I think they'll be protected). Granted, last game I didn't follow that pattern, but if I recall properly Gollum really wanted Legate dead. Moving on....if there's no ranger I go for the seer the first night. Period.



Can I use old games as evidence? I really don't think so, but my argument will make more sense if I mention this. One game I was an ordo and Nerwen was a wolf (I can't remember who her packmates were and it's pretty much irrelevant). I died the first night. That's right, Sally died the first night. Random kill much, children? (Also, you don't kill Sally the first night. You just don't. You keep me around to lynch, dang it! :Merisu:)

Sorry, I digress again. Anyway, I believe it was early in the second Day that Nerwen mentioned something about the ranger. There is no ranger in this game. Now she may have been kidding around, but my theory?

You don't kill someone like Cabbie the first night unless you're playing a risky game. You go for the seer unless there's a ranger, and even then you try. So if you think there's a ranger and you're the kind of player who likes to kill off semi-random people, who would you go for? Someone like Cabbie. And who would do that? Someone like Nerwen.

I just woke up. Does this make any sense?


EDIT: x'd with some little green girl. ;)



Here's a start. See, that's the thing that tipped me off to Nerwen in the first place, and I did indeed mention it. That and her comment right after Cabbie was killed. Notice that I came up with the thought, not Morm, as Nerwen suggested (which if I remember right is the biggest piece of her case against me besides the double lynch day). In fact, Morm actually disagreed with my reasoning above. Granted, he could have been bluffing to distance himself from me, but it seemed pretty genuine for Morm so I'll take it at face value, at least as much as I'd trust a wolf.



My sincerest apologies, but I keep falling asleep going through posts. I'm off to take a small nap. I'll be back as soon as I can, I promise. Sorry again for being so bloody useless all game. Heh. *toddles off for a bit*

[Nerwen]

Okay: I see Sally has acquired a couple of votes.

While she's the person I am currently most likely to vote for, I'd like to hear more from her first.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I wanted to wait around to see Sally's case against Nerwen, but it is late now and I am totaly destroyed from playing football.

I actually find the begining rather interesting, I would have liked to be around to see where she is going with it and to have debated a bit more.

[Brinniel]

If I was a wolf, would I have said this:
I probably wouldn't have voted for The KA. What's the reasoning behind that vote? Lots of us have been super quiet so far, so why KA?
right after the reps had just decided to lynch her?
I can't see why not.
Because in that post I am associating myself with and practically defending someone who I (were I a wolf as you suggest) would have known would be revealed as a wolf upon her imminent lynching.
Gwath, just because you defended a wolf when she already had been sentenced to lynching does not necessarily mean you are innocent. For all we know, it could've been some sort of bluff.

[Nerwen]

Can I just clarify something? The reason I didn't like Sally's "flaw in the plan" business, and her push for a triple-lynch, is not that I'm so opposed to lynching Gil, but because it looks to me like she might have been seeking a way to "accidentally" de-rail the double-lynch. A risky business, certainly, but I wouldn't be surprised at a wolf panicking at that situation.

Re: Sally's post at #1609.

Ah... now this is a start, Sally. Not much of a start, but a start. In your own post that you quoted above, you say that it's "irrelevant" who my packmates were in that game. Not so: one of them was Nogrod, and the idea to kill you came from him.

Notice that I came up with the thought, not Morm, as Nerwen suggested (which if I remember right is the biggest piece of her case against me besides the double lynch day).

Yes, you came up with a weak reason to suspect someone already suspected on equally weak grounds– which completely contradicted yours, by the way. (In contrast, quite a number of people thought the kill pointed to Nogrod... but no-one was willing to base a case against him on that alone.)

In fact, Morm actually disagreed with my reasoning above. Granted, he could have been bluffing to distance himself from me, but it seemed pretty genuine for Morm so I'll take it at face value, at least as much as I'd trust a wolf.

:rolleyes:morm disagreed because his "theory" of why I was a wolf depended on my knowing perfectly well there was a Ranger... and lying about it. Have you actually not realised that yet?

However, the fact that you haven't is a point in your favour, as you'd think mormewolf would have told you at Night. Hmmn.

But anyway, Sally, I asked for your current case... the one which has to take into account the heavy attack on me from a known wolf. I'm not trying to trap you: I want to give you a chance to explain yourself. You're going to have to do better than you have so far.

I'm torn at the moment. It seems to me that your behaviour towards me could mean one of two things:

1. You're a wolf. You made a "me-too" leap for me when morm attacked me, without noticing that your reasoning contradicted his. You continued "suspecting" me after morm was exposed, without coming up with an explanation, because you weren't thinking like an innocent.

2. You're an ordo. You haven't had time to pay much attention to the game, and you're suspecting me out of habit and stubbornness.

General comment: the reason I'm findiing it so hard to make up my mind is that I've played a game in which the following things happened:

1. Rikae (wolf) and I (ordo) fought bitterly for a couple of Days.
2. Rikae was exposed by the Seer.
3. Sally pushed very hard to have me lynched instead of the known wolf Rikae, because she was "so stinking sure" I was a wolf too.
4. Sally got lynched next Day for her blatant attempt to save Rikae.
5. Sally turned out to be an ordo.

I have to go out now– I hope to be back in an hour or so.

EDIT: X'd with Rune and Brinniel.

[Nerwen]

I wanted to wait around to see Sally's case against Nerwen, but it is late now and I am totaly destroyed from playing football.

I actually find the begining rather interesting, I would have liked to be around to see where she is going with it and to have debated a bit more.

In the meantime, please look at my last post.

I really don't know what to think.

[the phantom]

The internet was down in the lab at work, so yeah... haven't been able to read or do anything at all.

On a purely instinctual level I would like to lynch Gwath and Rune, leaving me as the only male in the entire community. But I don't think those instincts have anything to do with Werewolf.

As I said, I'm not sure if I'm thinking correctly on Sally due to meeting her in RL, because in RL, even though I was trying not to talk about the game or read her, she seemed rather innocent. But then maybe I'm wrong because I was actively trying to sabotage my readings on her. Anyway, were I a Rep I wouldn't have the guts to lynch her.

I admit that events have put Gwath into a rather suspicious position, so I can hardly object to lynching him.

I need to read over Rune. I have no leanings on him currently.

Lommy is being ususually nice to me. So naturally I'm won over and think she should live forever.

Now I'm going to try and read a little.

[satansaloser2005]

Can I just clarify something? The reason I didn't like Sally's "flaw in the plan" business, and her push for a triple-lynch, is not that I'm so opposed to lynching Gil, but because it looks to me like she might have been seeking a way to "accidentally" de-rail the double-lynch. A risky business, certainly, but I wouldn't be surprised at a wolf panicking at that situation.

Re: Sally's post at #1609.

Ah... now this is a start, Sally. Not much of a start, but a start. In your own post that you quoted above, you say that it's "irrelevant" who my packmates were in that game. Not so: one of them was Nogrod, and the idea to kill you came from him.



Yes, you came up with a weak reason to suspect someone already suspected on equally weak grounds– which completely contradicted yours, by the way. (In contrast, quite a number of people thought the kill pointed to Nogrod... but no-one was willing to base a case against him on that alone.)



:rolleyes:morm disagreed because his "theory" of why I was a wolf depended on my knowing perfectly well there was a Ranger... and lying about it. Have you actually not realised that yet?

However, the fact that you haven't is a point in your favour, as you'd think mormewolf would have told you at Night. Hmmn.

But anyway, Sally, I asked for your current case... the one which has to take into account the heavy attack on me from a known wolf. I'm not trying to trap you: I want to give you a chance to explain yourself. You're going to have to do better than you have so far.

I'm torn at the moment. It seems to me that your behaviour towards me could mean one of two things:

1. You're a wolf. You made a "me-too" leap for me when morm attacked me, without noticing that your reasoning contradicted his. You continued "suspecting" me after morm was exposed, without coming up with an explanation, because you weren't thinking like an innocent.

2. You're an ordo. You haven't had time to pay much attention to the game, and you're suspecting me out of habit and stubbornness.

General comment: the reason I'm findiing it so hard to make up my mind is that I've played a game in which the following things happened:

1. Rikae (wolf) and I (ordo) fought bitterly for a couple of Days.
2. Rikae was exposed by the Seer.
3. Sally pushed very hard to have me lynched instead of the known wolf Rikae, because she was "so stinking sure" I was a wolf too.
4. Sally got lynched next Day for her blatant attempt to save Rikae.
5. Sally turned out to be an ordo.

I have to go out now– I hope to be back in an hour or so.

EDIT: X'd with Rune and Brinniel.

At this point I'm just going to ignore Nerwen (not entirely, but I'm no longer going to respond to her egging me on, which is essentially all it is now) because I don't want to spend my potentially last hour alive in the village on her. So on that note I say one more time.

I suspect you of my own accord. No one else swayed me either way. I suspect you because you behaved suspiciously and I know that you, being crafty, would be pulling some of the same moves the wolves were pulling earlier in the game, and the way you react to my suspicion of you (rather rudely, might I add because you're suspecting me on much less, which I'll get to in a minute, yet you say it is I that is stubborn) makes me all the more suspicious.

And your case on me relies on such silly things.
A: I followed Morm in his suspicion of you. False. I suspected you as soon as I saw your post (the one about how 'expected' Cabbie's death was or whatever it was) because it seemed to awkward. I thought your lack of knowledge of the rules (particularly the ranger slip, though I do admit that could have been innocent I think it's very possible it was not) seemed off. You don't strike me as the kind to not pay attention to these things, so the fact that you made that mistake either means you are innocent and forgot to check everything or that you are a wolf and had assumed there was a ranger. Which would have factored into who you wanted to kill (granted Nog and Morm and Ka would have known, but most likely assumed you did as well) that fateful night. In short, I've covered why I suspected you, or at least why I started to suspect you, and that is the end of the discussion. Obviously there are others but there are other people in the game to concentrate on too.

B: the double/triple lynch day. Mind, I voiced my unhappiness with Nerwen being a rep because I suspected her. So yes, I was more than happy to go to the lengths to make sure the plan worked. (And admittedly I was a little overeager, but that's because I actually had a day off and was pretty much just hyperactive because I had the opportunity to be so in some context). I didnt' expect you to take action that Day, but when Morm's vote for Phantom made you the other voting rep, I got even more worried than I already was. And am I to be suspected for trying to help the village? I realized there was an alternative way to vote and put it up for discussion. Essentially I wanted to give Phantom the opportunity to kill Nog (and myself, just to spite the silly man ;)) and figured that if I had the chance, the addition to the plan wasn't that complicated. Never did I not run my idea past the group first, nor did I act against the will of the group on that Day. I simply provided alternatives to the idea we (or rather, Boro) already had.

C: You just always suspect me. Fair enough. I'm a bit biased myself, because in the last game in which you were a wolf you were, indeed, fairly crafty, and so I've learned never to trust you in the game unless I know your role. However, I have not continued to suspect you without cause and I haven't been simply concentrating on you (or at least I'd like not to be, but alas it appears I am spending my potential last hours talking about you) so I don't see how that is a problem. I don't have you on an auto-suspect list; I just refuse to trust you. There's a difference. Oh, and in that game you mentioned? Note that I was innocent. Scatterbrained and innocent, so basically you're saying that I act suspicious when I'm not so the fact that I'm suspicious means....I must be? Hehe. Does not compute.



Sorry. Forgot to turn on my alarm, apparently. Here now, and I'll go through and respond to a few things. Just give me a few minutes to collect my brain because otherwise you'll end up with more posts as all over the place as this one. My thoughts on Nerwen are in the open. I'll answer any questions anyone has, but I'm done spending my time on one person. I still need to rethink Ilya and Gwath. (And that Phantom's not half as funny as he appears, children, so watch that one:smokin:)

[Nerwen]

Sally, you have either not read my post properly, not understood it, or you are twisting it on purpose.

You have covered why you started to suspect me. So why did you continue? That's the question I have asked you repeatedly, and which you have ignored.

I also do not like your strawman tactic of claiming that one of my points is that I always suspect you. This is simply not true, on either count.

Please, Sally, I know you're pressed for time, but if you have a better defence I want to hear it. I don't want to lynch you if you're innocent.

[Gwathagor]

On a purely instinctual level I would like to lynch Gwath and Rune, leaving me as the only male in the entire community. But I don't think those instincts have anything to do with Werewolf.


Sounds similar to lupine alpha-male behavior - which, of course, ultimately just comes down to breeding rights. I'd say you've played too much Werewolf and it has worked its way into your basest instincts.

[satansaloser2005]

Sally, you have either not read my post properly, not understood it, or you are twisting it on purpose.

You have covered why you started to suspect me. So why did you continue? That's the question I have asked you repeatedly, and which you have ignored.

I also do not like your strawman tactic of claiming that one of my points is that I always suspect you. This is simply not true, on either count.

Please, Sally, I know you're pressed for time, but if you have a better defence I want to hear it. I don't want to lynch you if you're innocent.

I've answered that. It's because of the way you reacted (and continue to react) to my suspicion of you.


And you said it yourself. I didn't mean to imply that you always suspect me, but that I'm pretty sure you would have suspected me no matter how I behaved the last couple days. Sorry for not making that more clear.


Off to Ilya. Hopefully. (I think I need to do some tinkering on my computer real quick because he's acting funny, eating things he shouldn't and such, so I'll be back ASAP.)

[Nerwen]

I've answered that. It's because of the way you reacted (and continue to react) to my suspicion of you.

Sally, I ignored your initial suspicion of me. At that time I was having too much trouble defending myself from morm and Aganzir.

Last chance: what is the reason for your continued suspicion? I keep asking you this. Why won't you answer?

And you said it yourself. I didn't mean to imply that you always suspect me, but that I'm pretty sure you would have suspected me no matter how I behaved the last couple days. Sorry for not making that more clear.


No. You said I made automatic suspicion of you part of my argument. I have never done that, to you or anyone. If I do say I always suspect someone, it's to acknowledge my own bias. Besides, I don't always suspect you. What gave you that idea?

You understand the situation? Unless I vote for Gwath now, you're dead. That won't doom the village, the way the numbers are, but it would be a pity if you're innocent and he's the wolf, wouldn't it?

[Gwathagor]

I suspected you as soon as I saw your post (the one about how 'expected' Cabbie's death was or whatever it was) because it seemed to awkward. I thought your lack of knowledge of the rules (particularly the ranger slip, though I do admit that could have been innocent I think it's very possible it was not) seemed off. You don't strike me as the kind to not pay attention to these things, so the fact that you made that mistake either means you are innocent and forgot to check everything or that you are a wolf and had assumed there was a ranger. Which would have factored into who you wanted to kill (granted Nog and Morm and Ka would have known, but most likely assumed you did as well) that fateful night.

I think that this is an interesting theory, but that maybe it is too neat and tries to explain too many things at once? I don't know. It's plausible nonetheless. Points for creativity, sally!

[Nerwen]

You understand the situation? Unless I vote for Gwath now, you're dead. That won't doom the village, the way the numbers are, but it would be a pity if you're innocent and he's the wolf, wouldn't it?

My mistake. I forgot about ties and the current number of reps.

So she's dead. The question is, do I bring Gwath to a tie with her or not?

EDIT: clarifying a comment.

[satansaloser2005]

Sally, I ignored your initial suspicion of me. At that time I was having too much trouble defending myself from morm and Aganzir.

Last chance: what is the reason for your continued suspicion? I keep asking you this. Why won't you answer?



No. You said I made automatic suspicion of you part of my argument. I have never done that, to you or anyone. If I do say I always suspect someone, it's to acknowledge my own bias. Besides, I don't always suspect you. What gave you that idea?

You understand the situation? Unless I vote for Gwath now, you're dead. That won't doom the village, the way the numbers are, but it would be a pity if you're innocent and he's the wolf, wouldn't it?



Then you should vote for the person who has been acting the most suspicious. if you think that's me, then you'll vote for me and nothing I'm going to say in the next five minutes or so is going to stop you. And technically I'm dead either way, unless the last two reps both vote for Gwath.


I'd really prefer if you'd stop talking about the way I'm acting and concentrate on someone else. Why else would I be so keen to brush you off, besides the obvious? I'd rather you use your time catching a wolf instead of talking about me. Assuming you're not the wolf, of course, but if you're not you would start thinking more about others and not just questioning everything I say.


My computer froze. You want I should try to make a post before deadline? And if so, tell me who and I'll do it, or at least try. Last full measure of devotion and all that business.

Posting now. Seeing what's happening

[Gwathagor]

My mistake. I forgot about ties.

So she's dead. The question is, do I bring Gwath to a tie with her or not?

Well...I think that if I am going to be lynched, it should be done toMorrow. I've hardly been involved so far (I don't like big villages), and my death at this point would provide very little information regarding other players. Let me interact some more - I'll make a concerted effort - and that way my death will create a point of reference from which to judge other players.

Obviously, I'd rather not die at all, but since the idea seems to be something of a popular phenomenon, I'd at least like to be useful to the village in my demise.

In short, don't tie me up with sally!

[Nerwen]

Gwath: I'm only halfway reading his posts. Quite submarine-ish... but I haven't seen enough to make me willing to risk a double-lynch.

So

++lynch Sally.


EDIT: fixed highlight.
EDIT: X'd with Gwath.

[the phantom]

Sorry- I fell asleep reading. Not feeling too well. Talk to everyone after the village has ended.

[satansaloser2005]

My mistake. I forgot about ties and the current number of reps.

So she's dead. The question is, do I bring Gwath to a tie with her or not?

EDIT: clarifying a comment.


Aren't there five? Or are there four? Meh, won't make much of a difference now.



Quickly, on Brinn. The reason she jumped suddenly onto my suspicion list was how she reacted to the triple lynch plan. Yes, it was fallible, but unless Nerwen orI were the last wolf and incredibly stupid, it would have worked well (ntil Morm ruined it anyway). She just reacted in a strange manner and it set some major alarm bells off. Other than that it was just a general uneasiness. Sorry I don't have time to explain the way I'd intended, but "time don't wait for no one, leaving you broken, especially when you're under the gun." Alas.


Pretty sure I'm x'd with the mod lowering me into the guillotine, so alas, poor village. Catch the last wolf!

~~Sally~~

P.S. Can I actually have a guillotine in my narration? That'd totally make my day. :p

P.P.S. Prolly x'd even more now. Sorry, internet died again, but I may as well post this while I'm here.

[Nerwen]

Well...I think that if I am going to be lynched, it should be done toMorrow. I've hardly been involved so far (I don't like big villages), and my death at this point would provide very little information regarding other players. Let me interact some more - I'll make a concerted effort - and that way my death will create a point of reference from which to judge other players.

Now that's a silly argument. Future interaction means nothing now. If you're a wolf, you have no fellows to interact with.

[satansaloser2005]

Sorry- I fell asleep reading. Not feeling too well. Talk to everyone after the village has ended.

Awwww, poor kid. Get some sleep. Or sleep when you're dead. :Merisu:

[satansaloser2005]

Now that's a silly argument. Future interaction means nothing now. If you're a wolf, you have no fellows to interact with.

*raises hand tentatively* Can I tell you I told you so yet? (As in told you to lynch the most suspicious sounding person, not necessarily not to lynch me or to lynch Gwath, although that was strongly implied heh)

[Nerwen]

Aren't there five? Or are there four? Meh, won't make much of a difference now.

Nope, only four. I thought there were five too. So I've been wasting my time with you, since you've been dead since Lommy voted you.

[Gwathagor]

Now that's a silly argument. Future interaction means nothing now. If you're a wolf, you have no fellows to interact with.

In fact, Nerwen, it makes a great deal of sense.

[Nerwen]

Why?

[satansaloser2005]

Nope, only four. I thought there were five too. So I've been wasting my time with you, since you've been dead since Lommy voted you.

Well in that case....good to know. Heh well now I'm good and deaded.



Alternatively, we should probably be quiet now. Well, me more than most, but it's past deadline and we best not tempt the moddesses' wrath.


Bye!

[satansaloser2005]

By the way, I'm sure you can all guess what I was? ;)


Gwath's last statement. Awkward much?

[Gwathagor]

Why?

All you had to do was ask.


This was my point, though it is irrelevant now, since it pertained to the question of killing me toDay:

If I am a wolf, then if I die, the village wins, obviously.

If I am innocent, then my death is going to help the village most if I have been interacting extensively with other players.

Conclusion: If I am the remaining wolf, I am not going to win by toMorrow, and so I may as well be left until then, when the village will either a) win, or b) have a more substantial point of reference from which to evaluate the other players.

[Nerwen]

By the way, I'm sure you can all guess what I was? ;)

Well, since you haven't admitted to being a wolf yet, I guess you were innocent, Sally. I hope you'll remember that I did give you a chance to defend yourself.

[Nerwen]

Oh, and 'bye, phantom. I'll miss you.

[Rikae]

I'm so terribly sorry for leaving you hanging, everyone. I thought Fea was going to be back.

The game isn't over yet.

Dead:

Fea
Mith
Rikae
Diamond18 (ordo)
Legate (ordo)
McCaber (ordo)
Eönwë/Steve (ordo)
Aganzir (ordo)
Ka (wolf)
Shasta (ordo)
Mormegil (wolf)
Nogrod (wolf)
Boromir88 (seer)
Sally (ordo)

Alive:

Brinniel
Gil-Galad
Greenie
Gwathagor
Ilya
Lommy
Kath
Nerwen
Rune
the phantom

[Mithalwen]

I'm sorry too I was going to drive somewhere with internet access afterwork but I suddenly felt ill and tired and just wanted to go home and sleep.... which I did and feel better for.

[Rikae]

I guess I'm now supposed to provide you with a narration worthy of the outstanding, incredible, inconceivable, and utterly unbelievable phantom...

...but I'm already in my pyjamas. ;) ~Mac

Dead:

Fea
Mith
Rikae
Diamond18 (ordo)
Legate (ordo)
McCaber (ordo)
Eönwë/Steve (ordo)
Aganzir (ordo)
Ka (wolf)
Shasta (ordo)
Mormegil (wolf)
Nogrod (wolf)
Boromir88 (seer)
Sally (ordo)
the phantom (ordo)

Alive:

Brinniel
Gil-Galad
Greenie
Gwathagor
Ilya
Lommy
Kath
Nerwen
Rune

[Thinlómien]

No one has said anything yet?!

Looks like Lommy the Flood-poster is needed once again. I'll check a few other threads first, but then I'll come back here to hunt some werewolf. Beware!

[Thinlómien]

Okay, this is the list of who are alive:

Brinniel
Gil-Galad
Greenie
Gwathagor
Ilya
Lommy
Kath
Nerwen
Rune

Of these, I can rule myself out, and most probably Gil too. So, the list looks something like this:

Brinniel
Greenie
Gwathagor
Ilya
Kath
Nerwen
Rune

Currently, Kath strikes me as very innocent and so does Greenie, after all. So, those whom I actually suspect are:

Brinniel
Gwathagor
Ilya
Nerwen
Rune

I'm not particularily worried about Nerwen, Brinn or Ilya, though. They feel pretty genuine. So, that leaves me with:

Gwathagor
Rune

They are my main suspects right now. I hope I'm able to look at both of them toDay. But I would not like to forget about others either... so I'll see what I have time to do. I feel that a proper reread would help a lot, but I'm not as insane as to read all the 42 pages with 1642 posts in total. :eek:;)

[A Little Green]

My instincts suck at this game. Argh. :o

I'll try to post something more substantial soon, but for now, DO NOT VOTE ME AS REP TODAY if you want a rep who has time for playing! I probably won't be around at all on the second half of the Day or then only make a quick turn around here, and I'll certainly miss the whole of next Day as well if such a Day comes. That's unfortunate but no can do.

Other than that - I'll make a list toDay, surely, but the ones I'm considering for rep at this point are probably Lommy and Rune. Have to see though...

[A Little Green]

Not x-ed with Nerwen. I feel abandoned. :(

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I think sally seems a bit too apologetic, nervous and nice. If she's the last wolf that's understandble as there's quite a lot of pressure on her. On the other hand, she has said she's really stressed and that may affect her behaviour, so her nervousness doesn't necessarily mean anything.

It's funny, I don't suspect Rune at all, even though I have absolutely no reason to trust him. He baffles me a little by differing in his opinions from the rest of the village. That's nicely refreshing. (But... I'm wondering - do I recall correctly that that has been the trademark of a wolvish Rune actually? Hmmm... I have to keep an eye on him.) I can't really bring myself to distrust Brinn either... I guess it's just gut-feeling, then. And as for Nerwen, I feel my non-suspicion of her is just a bit more reasonable.

The others I suspect to some degree. Sally the most. Greenie seems kind of genuine, but I can so very well see her as a bold wolf. Rune's suspicion of Gwath strikes me as misguided, I think Gwath is probably an ordo... but I probably think that just because he's flown completely under my radar. :rolleyes: I'm really unsure what to think of Kath and Ilya.

As for Gil, I think this pretty much sums it up:

Of course, the moddesses could just have picked his kill for him, but that would be totally unfair...

As for sally's eagerness to lynch Gil, it is indeed a bit weird. Why couldn't it have waited? The numbers favour us at the moment, so we could have afforded a double lynch, yes. But why make it if the subject is probably innocent? Why not wait and see a few Days? Like now Kath has provided us with a point that almost proves Gil's innocence. But an evil sally could have wanted to reduce the number of the innocents, for now that she has been left alone, she will have to walk a rocky path to win. Also, although she explained it, her enthusiasm to take part in the lynch of morm and Nog looks a bit questionable indeed... I don't think it's a bad idea to lynch her toDay, as we have plenty of Days to try. And honestly, I think if we don't lynch sally sooner, she will become an enigma later.

I understand the sentiment perfectly, but I think an innocent sally could ("could", not "would") have voted me nevertheless, which in turn could have made me trust her more. This being like this, sally just strikes me as more nervous than before. Also, she could have simply said "Lommy will vote me and I don't want to die so I'll vote someone else" but now she masks it as "lynching me won't profit the village", which makes me raise eyebrows. Because, really, we can very well afford losing an ordo right now.

Oh, that's true. However, her PM inbox could just have been full so that she wouldn't have received the wolf PMs.... so we can't rule her out either.

Greenie was a bold wolf in her very first game, so I wouldn't put anything past her.


edit: xed with Gwath

I cut of the start of the post as it did not strike me as odd. . .

Anyways Lommy, I find it slightly disturbing the way you change your opinion so fast. I thought you did not suspect me at all, only that you thought my case against Gwathagor was "misguided", but now me and him are your top suspects and Greenie has totaly disapeared from your list of suspects.

Frankly that makes very little sense and I am looking forward to the explanation, I could have understood it if it was my case against Gwath that had made you suspicous, but surely it cannot be the case since he is your top suspect as well.

I won't judge you on this alone as it is very easy to "see" a werewolf when you yourself is their target, but it does seem like you are going for the easy kills. Kath, Brinn, Greenie and Ilya would be very hard to get lynched, me and Nerwen less so and Gwath is the most likely lynch candidate of all.

Of course you can never suest Gil as you wanted Sally lynched for that very reason, in genneral your whole reasoning about why wolves would kill Gil made little sense.
-------------------------

Anyways I am under a lot of time pressiure right now, I need to get this paper about English Trade Unions in the 1800's done. . . If I don't I will fail my class as my examination is based on it.

I will be at the computer most of the day, but I won't have time to check in that often.

sorry

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Oh I forgot to add:

I feel it is about time I became a representative!

[Thinlómien]

Rune - my change of mind is simply because I've been thinking about things and because some of my feelings have changed. I cannot explain it any better.

If I was the last wolf, I can't see any benefit for me in going for the easy targets intentionally. I would have no fellows who could get lynched, and I'm currently if not the most trusted person in this village, then at least one of them, and thus I wouldn't probably be worried of getting myself lynched either. In fact, a sudden change of mind would be the last thing I would do, as it might arouse suspicions (like it just did).

(Anyway, I think we two are really hopeless, I think everytime one of us starts suspecting the other the suspicions is immediately returned. :D Reminds me of our very first ww game, awww. :D)

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Rune - my change of mind is simply because I've been thinking about things and because some of my feelings have changed. I cannot explain it any better.

If I was the last wolf, I can't see any benefit for me in going for the easy targets intentionally. I would have no fellows who could get lynched, and I'm currently if not the most trusted person in this village, then at least one of them, and thus I wouldn't probably be worried of getting myself lynched either. In fact, a sudden change of mind would be the last thing I would do, as it might arouse suspicions (like it just did).

(Anyway, I think we two are really hopeless, I think everytime one of us starts suspecting the other the suspicions is immediately returned. :D Reminds me of our very first ww game, awww. :D)

That is a rather poor reasoning, but even so I think you should have mentioned it in your post. . . It just seems weird to make such radical changes and not offer any sort of explanation.

I don't know if you have noticed, but there is gennerally not alot of acusations flying arround. . .
And btw Kath is way more trusted than you! :p

I think it would be a benefit for you, because if you stood out from the croud then you would naturaly gather attention. If you on the other hand go for the easy targets and don't look like you are just following what others have said, you get too look very innocent.

You make a good point about why a sudden change of mind might not be desirable for you as a wolf, I was aware of this already before I wrote my first post and I have thought much about it since. The result is inconclusive, maybe it was simply a slip, maybe you thought it would gather so much support that people did not find it odd or maybe you simply did not think people would notice.

Remember I am not crying "wolf wolf" I am just saying that your actions are very odd and naturaly that makes me keep an eye on you and put you on my list of possible lynch candidates.

(In our first game it was just a case of you being very silly)

[Nerwen]

Hello, all. I've had a really bad headache– that's why I didn't post earlier.

[Brinniel]

Hello all, I thought I would post real quick before hopping on a plane. As I already mentioned on the admin thread, I'm leaving town for Thanksgiving and won't be around much toDay. I don't know how often I'll be able to get online, probably not a lot...so don't expect much more than a few posts from me (and I notice Greenie seems to be in much of a similar situation).

Anyways, just a couple comments...

As of now, the person who continues to stand out as most suspicious to me is Gwath. His defenses didn't make me feel any better about him. Particularly this one:

Well...I think that if I am going to be lynched, it should be done toMorrow. I've hardly been involved so far (I don't like big villages), and my death at this point would provide very little information regarding other players. Let me interact some more - I'll make a concerted effort - and that way my death will create a point of reference from which to judge other players.

Obviously, I'd rather not die at all, but since the idea seems to be something of a popular phenomenon, I'd at least like to be useful to the village in my demise.

In short, don't tie me up with sally!
First off, how did he know there was going to be a toMorrow? And secondly, this entire defense just sounds like a desperate plea from a wolf to stay alive one more Day.

I still find Rune to be a bit suspicious, but I wonder if it's only because I happen to disagree with everything he says. So I'm a little hesitant with these suspicions I have, but I'd still like to keep an eye on him.

Everyone else is still mostly a question mark to me. My thoughts haven't changed all that much since yesterDay, so I won't bother making another list. If I actually had time to take a closer look at everybody I would, but I have to finish getting ready and run to the airport shortly.

[A Little Green]

Hello, all. I've had a really bad headache– that's why I didn't post earlier.Poor dear. Hope you are better now.

Hmmm. Rune raises a good point against Lommy - but then, her defense sounds reasonable and innocentish as well, so that exchange left me with little new.

A list, then, with the emphasis on who I could vote for rep. Don't know how much is new, but anyway. The names are in an order of preference, at least sort of. In the latter list the order is obviously from least pleasant choice to the most, as you can judge by Gil's position on the list. :D

I COULD VOTE AS REP:
Lommy
Rune
Nerwen
Kath
Brinn
These are all sensible, innocentish people who I don't suspect. (Innocentish people who I don't suspect? How surprising. :rolleyes: ) I'd prefer Lommy or Rune as they are the ones I'm most certain of, but I wouldn't feel bad voting one of the latter three either.

I WON'T VOTE AS REP:
Gil-Galad - I think it's quite obvious.
Gwathy - I don't trust him at the moment and I have no idea what he thinks about people. Therefore a clear no. On the other hand given a rep status he would have to voice an opinion, but I don't like to start gambling. I rather vote for a rep who I feel more comfortable with.
Ilya - I have no read about her at all so I wouldn't feel very comfortable with voting her as my rep.


EDIT: x-ed with Brinn!

[Nerwen]

First off, how did he know there was going to be a toMorrow? And secondly, this entire defense just sounds like a desperate plea from a wolf to stay alive one more Day.

I know. After I saw that I rather regretted not tying them after all.

EDIT: X'd with Greenie.

[Nerwen]

By the way, I'd prefer not to be a rep this time. I have to go to a wedding on lynching-day.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

This paper is giving me a bad headache. . .

So it seems that everyone is busy in one way or another and non have the time or energy to do proper wolf-searching?

It is a shame because we will end up lynching a person without much of a debate and basicly rely on luck to catch the last wolf. I think we should all try to make one "major" contribution per day, just to make sure that even on the slow days there will be something to analyse on. . .
Of course this is not binding as people clearly have RL comitments, but I think it would be a good general goal.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

As things is now I would prefer voting Kath or Ilya. . . I think. . .ok I cannot really decide, I will inform you when I have come to a decition.

[Nerwen]

As things is now I would prefer voting Kath or Ilya. . . I think. . .

Why, though?

[Thinlómien]

Actually, Rune and Nerwen, crap my defense of why it would not make sense for me as a wolf to change my mind and seem possibly suspicious - indeed I believe I would be smart to do that as a wolf because then I could more explainably be alive after various Nights. ;) But I believe that is not an issue importance.

First off, how did he know there was going to be a toMorrow? And secondly, this entire defense just sounds like a desperate plea from a wolf to stay alive one more Day.Aye, good point that first one. And I agree that his posts late yesterDay were a bit weird - hey now Rune, I think that must have been one of the reasons why my opinion of him has changed. ;)

My short debating with Rune toDay has made me feel a lot better about him. So I might even making a new 180 degree turn of my own... But i think I should really reread Rune's posts to get a proper picture of him. He has kind of flown under my radar all game. I'd also like to have a look at Gwath now that he has started to seem rather suspicious, and also, I'd like to have a look at Ilya soon since I used to suspect her and now I seem to discount her everytime I try to think who's the last wolf and I want to know why. I would like to have a look at Nerwen maybe too (because I've been thinking that maybe a wolf could be confused about ranger issues after all, even though it's unprobable).

Brinn, on the other hand, has moved to my "not probably wolvish" category to keep company to Kath and Greenie. I may admit she has given me a pretty innocent feeling for the last few Days, but I have kept semi-suspecting her just because of principle - I've been thinking "I surely feel good about her just because she's so helpful and she's always helpful, regardless of her role". Now I'm ready to leave that principle, at least for the time being, to get a more concentrated effort to wipe the last wolf out soon enough. Of course, I may reconsider her (and Greenie and Kath) later, if it seems I've chosen the wrong track.

PS.(In our first game it was just a case of you being very silly)I could actually happily agree with that. :D

[Gwathagor]

I think that only about half of the suspicion I've garnered is deserved. I've done some weird stuff (I've been quiet, furtive, unhelpful, etc.), which has formed the basis of the distrust, but the fact that everyone keeps saying that they don't trust me has amplified and heightened the general sense everyone has that I must really be suspicious. If you talk about it enough, it eventually becomes true.




First off, how did he know there was going to be a toMorrow? And secondly, this entire defense just sounds like a desperate plea from a wolf to stay alive one more Day.


First, I didn't know. I likely would have voted for sally if I had been a rep, but I wasn't sure and I wanted to provide for the possibility that she was not the final wolf.

Second, innocent players are just as likely to make desperate pleas as wolves are - perhaps more so, since a lot of wolves like to play it cool straight through the end.

[Gwathagor]

Anyways Lommy, I find it slightly disturbing the way you change your opinion so fast.

This is an interesting point. I guess I wouldn't try to make to much of it yet? She is kind of forced to shift her suspicions toDay as sally, who she suspected most yesterDay, is dead.

I don't have any idea who I'm going to vote for rep yet, except that it won't be Greenie. I feel suspicious of her on an intuitive level, though her posts have all been fine so far. Maybe I'll look at her closer later.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Why, though?
Well, as you can see I retracted my statement. . .dunno why you left that out. I am not sure who I will vote for, but those where the first two that popped into my thoughts.

I still find Kath innocent looking and yesterday I thought that Ilya seemed quite genuin, so the reason I mentioned those two is because they are the only ones I have not been very unsure about these today.
I did suspect Ilya in the begining of the game, but not so much anymore and I have not seen anything that indicates that Kath should be a wolf.

[Ilya]

Hullo all. A thousand apologies for running silent these last couple days, but as I'm idling in the Delta terminal right now, I'll do a big reread and try to get a longer post list type thing off soonish.

[Thinlómien]

I've been rereading Brinn's quotes.

This
Okay I am just to this line and found it odd. It would seem to me that this is the first time Ilya has played, correct? If he/she (sorry I don't know which) were to be a wolf with Legate, there would be some aprehension and fear associated with such a role on the first time.caught my eye. Could this hint that Ilya is innocent since morm knows so little about her and one could assume he would know his fellow wolf's gender and whether she's a first-timer or not? But surely, it could be just bluff as well... (I remember I was once a wolf with xyzzy and while I was lynched early on he got really far because he pretended to be confused about something related to me, asking "who's Lommy", or something like that.)

I wonder if wolf-Nerwen and wolf-morm would have started such a fight with each other. As far as I know, they don't know each other particularily well, so the possibility of a beforehand-planned wolf-on-wolf fight seems less probable... Also, morm almost got her lynched. I don't know if the wolves would have taken such a risk for no obvious benefits...

I'm actually more and more thinking that the last wolf is either Gwathie or Rune. Rune seems more innocent of the two, though. There are some wuotes that make me think he's innocent. Like this:

About Nogrod: I cannot put my finger on it, but something seems different about him in this game. I don't know if it is just because he has been more or less ignoring my existance or there is something more sinicter behind.Would a wolf say this about a fellow? Spotlight the fact that his fellow has avoided making any ties to him? I don't think so...

So, I think we should lynch Gwath toDay. If I have a chance to look at people (even) more in-depth or something interesting happens, I may of course change my opinion. And now I have to vote a rep... Not Gwath, for sure, and not Greenie or Nerwen since they said they don't want to be reps because of RL hurries. I'm pretty much ok with voting anyone else for rep...

[A Little Green]

Okay, I'm going to sleep soon so I'll vote

++ Lommy for representative

Sorry Runne, I know you are itching to get to be a rep - but after all I ended up in Lommy because her suspicions match my own more.

And, by the way, this is probably the last you get from me in a few days since I'm off to Paris tomorrow. (Hooray!!) I'll try to post at least something very small tomorrow at the famous Greenie and Nerwen -time of Day, but I don't dare promise anything. More likely I don't have the time. I'll return late on sunday, so if both I and the last wolf are still alive I'll see you again only on tuesday. How sad. :(


EDIT: x-ed with no one. Just where is everyone?!?

[Kath]

Well - I mean I'm very happy to be a Rep just so long as those thinking of voting for me are aware that my vote will almost definitely go to Gwath. There's almost no chance of that changing. Just so you know.

[Thinlómien]

Well - I mean I'm very happy to be a Rep just so long as those thinking of voting for me are aware that my vote will almost definitely go to Gwath. There's almost no chance of that changing. Just so you know.Oh, that suits me fine.

++Kath for rep

If I start thinking he's not the last wolf after all, I will try to change your mind too, Kath. ;)

PS. Just how many people we're having who say they will be very busy toDay? Greenie and Nerwen, and Brinn too?

[Gwathagor]

I am feeling very frustrated right now because I feel like the suspicion against me has developed in everyone's peripheral vision, so to speak, fed by other players' comments more than by substantial, concrete evidence, and without ever being stated in such a way that I could refute the accusations leveled against me - for the simple reason that there AREN'T any accusations, just the general sense that I MUST be guilty because everyone thinks so. I said one or two weird things, I agree, but nothing to merit lynching. Once everyone thinks you're guilty, everything you say starts to sound guilty to them.

So, I would be interested to know exactly why you are all so intent on lynching me (if you even know), so that I can at least try to defend myself. Thanks.

I might go with Lommy for rep toDay. I'd like to vote Brinn, but she won't be here. There's no way I'm voting Kath, because she wants to kill me. Then again...if anyone I vote is just going to lynch me, maybe I won't vote at all.

I've been thinking about my suspicion of Green, and I guess it has to do with how her posts seem bright and cheery with a consistency that makes me wonder if it might be artificial.

[Kath]

Gwath, here is what I posted about you yesterDay:

Day 1 has some very short posts, some controversy over considering voting for himself and voted Nogrod. Was mentioned by Nog - 'maybe we should not judge too heavily at this moment but he does look evasive indeed'. Potentially a wolf buddy 'ooh look but don't actually' moment. Argumentative with Legate - poking at his suspicions of Agan and questioning his vote for phantom. The second comment against Legate is odd ... it seems more misunderstanding than anything else but the tone is very accusing. Nog then voted to lynch him. What I can't recall is whether there was any other support for Gwath being lynched Day 1. If there was then it seems unlikely he and Nog were wolf buddies, if there wasn't then it's a pretty safe vote and that likelihood goes up.
Day 2 I do not get his reasoning for assuming Nog innocent. Joins the 'why must you have secret ploys' brigade. Fails to vote.
Day 3 - says Eonwe's list isn't useful because his suspicions sound the same - I have to say I disagree but that's personal opinion. Pushing idea of phantom and Boro both being wolves. Seemed almost behind the times - 'maybe the Seer has dreamt of one of you already' when that was the angle that phantom had been pushing for ages. Hmm, mentions Nog again ... sort of defending him. Despite suggesting that Boro and phantom may both be wolves he then votes Boro as his Rep and also says he doesn't want to get rid of him yet ... which if we can believe what our wolves were saying yesterDay was a major part of their discussions during the Night, perhaps this is a Daytime message along the same lines. Says odd reasoning to vote Ka ... which is just what morm says a bit later.
Day 4 - surprised that Ka is a wolf. Could go either way that one really. Overly confused by Boro's revelation. Turns against Nog ... saving his own skin? Votes Nerwen as meant to. Hasn't said anything so far toDay I don't think.

Now there are a few questions or at least things you could answer in there I think. Such as telling us whether or not there was any other support for lynching you Day 1. Re-explaining why you thought Nog innocent Day 2 because I really didn't understand that. Why, having suggested that Boro might be a wolf, you then went and voted him Rep. Why you said you'd come back and interact with people so that we could get a better view of you and then kinda didn't. Why you seemed convinced that there would be a toMorrow if sally was lynched instead of you. There may be some other things, it's up to you if you want to do a really comprehensive defense or just basically answer the questions.

I want to lynch a wolf. I don't want a situation like yesterDay where Nerwen was so determined that sally was a wolf that even when sally defended herself fairly Nerwen couldn't see it. I will keep an open mind Gwath, I want to hear what you have to say.

Anyway, I have to go so it's voting time. Rep voting toDay might have to be a matter of deduction.

Alive are:
Brinniel - no because I can get no clear read on her. In fact toMorrow I am going to go through her posts and find out why that is.
Gil-Galad - no, for obvious reasons.
Greenie - no because it worries me that my suspicion of her has faded as quickly as it appeared. I want to try and find out what startled me.
Gwathagor - no because I suspect him.
Ilya
Lommy
Nerwen - no because I didn't like the way she attacked sally at the end of yesterDay. I know I've been doing something similar with Gwath. Having seen the results of that kind of behaviour I am trying to pull myself back.
Rune

Which leaves Ilya, Lommy and Rune. Actually Rune is another one I really want to look at so not him ... and I think I'm more confident about Lommy than Ilya so:

++LOMMY for Rep

[Gil-Galad]

alright i am back, this week is almost over for me as my term papers will be done... and it seems to have lost alot of people so hopefully i can catch up. and i have very little worries since my innocence has been rather proved.

[Kath]

... And Gil reappears. I know I'm not really one to talk with my habit of missing Day 1's altogether but practically the whole game so far? I'm not impressed.

[Gil-Galad]

... And Gil reappears. I know I'm not really one to talk with my habit of missing Day 1's altogether but practically the whole game so far? I'm not impressed.

i feel for you, and i already talked to Ka about it. if you feel this unfair and that i shouldn't play, make it said i will be gone as fast as i appeared.

[Nerwen]

I want to lynch a wolf. I don't want a situation like yesterDay where Nerwen was so determined that sally was a wolf that even when sally defended herself fairly Nerwen couldn't see it.

You mistake what happened, Kath – I thought (wrongly) that I had to cast the death-vote on either her or Gwath, so I was trying to make her talk so I could get an idea of what she was.

i feel for you, and i already talked to Ka about it. if you feel this unfair and that i shouldn't play, make it said i will be gone as fast as i appeared.

No, no, hang around. We can always lynch you if we get stuck.

[Nerwen]

I just want to say this: Gwath's reactions near the deadline looked fairly suspicious, but I just don't want him to get lynched by default, which is more-or-less what happened yesterday.

[Nerwen]

Now there are a few questions or at least things you could answer in there I think. Such as telling us whether or not there was any other support for lynching you Day 1. Re-explaining why you thought Nog innocent Day 2 because I really didn't understand that. Why, having suggested that Boro might be a wolf, you then went and voted him Rep. Why you said you'd come back and interact with people so that we could get a better view of you and then kinda didn't. Why you seemed convinced that there would be a toMorrow if sally was lynched instead of you. There may be some other things, it's up to you if you want to do a really comprehensive defense or just basically answer the questions.

This is the problem, Kath: if he won't give satisfactory answers you'll probably find yourself concentrating on him whether you like it or not. On the other hand, an innocent Gwath is probably less likely to give seemingly-evasive answers than an innocent Sally.

[Nerwen]

Okay... I have to vote now. I think I'll see how our resident Marxist does in office.

++Rune.

[Gwathagor]

Now there are a few questions or at least things you could answer in there I think. Such as telling us whether or not there was any other support for lynching you Day 1. Re-explaining why you thought Nog innocent Day 2 because I really didn't understand that. Why, having suggested that Boro might be a wolf, you then went and voted him Rep. Why you said you'd come back and interact with people so that we could get a better view of you and then kinda didn't. Why you seemed convinced that there would be a toMorrow if sally was lynched instead of you. There may be some other things, it's up to you if you want to do a really comprehensive defense or just basically answer the questions.

Green and Lommy both echoed Nogrod's suspicion of me on Day 1. Aganzir thought they were grasping at straws. Nogrod repeated his suspicions once or twice until he voted me. Phantom said he wasn't going to vote for me, among other people. Ilya said she wasn't suspicious of me. Boromir did not think my vote for Nogrod was as suspicious as Nog had made it seem and could think of no reason to vote me. Brinniel had no clear opinion of me. Conclusion: Nogrod was not alone in his suspicion of me, but neither was there a bandwagon forming. It was somewhere in between.

I thought Nogrod was innocent because it seemed to me that, once in power, a wolf would try to maintain and please those supporters who had made him a rep in the first place. Obviously I was wrong. Phantom said that he thought that it might be true of some players, but not Nog.

I did not suggest or argue that Boro was a wolf; as part of an argument to make a different point, I pointed out that it was a theoretical possibility. I eventually voted him because he seemed reasonable and fair.

I failed to post as much as I said I would (for which I apologize), because I ended up being busier than I had expected. As I've said, I'm directing a play.

I can't explain why I had it stuck in my mind that there would be a toDay, but it never even ocurred to me that we might win yesterDay. It may have had to do with the fact that sally's attitude in the face of her imminent death seemed very innocent, and that I was more than a little worried about getting lynched myself, so that I didn't think about it thoroughly.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

2 votes Lommy
1 vote Kath
1 vote Rune


Kath's comment on Gil's "magic" re-apearance in this game really made me laugh. . .

Anywyas I will have to vote soon and I want to vote Kath, but she will almost sertainly vote Gwath and I am not sure I want my representative to ignore other lynch candidates.

That being said, I thought it was odd that Kath could not understand why Nerwen suspected Sally. . . It took more than Nerwen to lynch Sally.

oh, and I hate Greenie for not voting for me (I only dare say this because she is on the other side of the Baltic)

[Ilya]

Back again. Though, it seems like not a lot's happened other than Gil's magic return from the land of silence, which strikes me as suspicious even though it's perfectly reasonable that he'd remember the game and come back.

I...I have got nothing y'all. I've read all Gwath's stuff, and nothing really stuck out to me. His defense today seemed reasonable.

++Rune for rep

Because I think he's fairly honestish.

[Gwathagor]

Ok, let's see. Lommy has 2 votes, Rune has 2 votes, Kath has 1 vote. I had thought about voting either of those first two, but I'd rather spread the power around than concentrate it, so I don't think I will now that they bothy have 2 votes. I'm certainly not voting for Kath because she wants me dead. So, I guess:

++Nerwen

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

++ Ilya for Representative

Because I want to see how she votes.

She has been quite submarine-ish during the game, but I also belive that she has been quite sensible at late and not gone for the easy targets. I think she has tried to understand peoples actions at times when she just as well could have accused them for wolvery and gotten away with it.

It could be a wolf trying to stay friends with everybody, but I chose to belive that it is an innocent trying to be helpful.

(also this gives people something to chose between)

EDIT: Cross posted with Gwath

[Brinniel]

Hello everyone, I'm finally here. It looks like as of now we have two reps...Lommy and Rune. I think I'll be voting for someone who already has one vote since I'd like to see a third rep to keep the game balanced. Probably Ilya or Kath since Nerwen requested not to be a rep toDay.

I've noticed Gil has sort of returned...which is odd. I can understand missing a Day or so due to RL, but he's missed practically the entire game. Especially since we have 48 hour Days, I can't a good reason for that...even with RL commitments, a player should be able to post a couple times per Day, or at least state the absence in the admin thread. And btw, after those couple posts, is he coming back? How are we to know?

[Gwathagor]

since Nerwen requested not to be a rep toDay.


Oh no did she really? Dang! I'm a moron! Sorry Nerwen.

[Brinniel]

++Kath for rep

I agree with much that she has said toDay, while Ilya I can't get a good enough read on as she didn't post much at all toDay.

It's been a long day and I'm really tired. I might come back and post later tonight, but don't count on it. Again, my participation will be limited tomorrow, but I promise to be around to make at least some posts.

[A Little Green]

I managed to get here quickly before leaving this horrible wet and cold country. It seems the reps are Lommy, Rune and Kath. Is that right? If yes, I'm very content because they all are people I think are innocent (though one of them hates me, alas :() and I trust their judgement.

Hmmm. Yeah, I'd better be going now so I won't be late, I still have a few things to do before I leave. Have a nice rest of the Day, and if you don't get the wolf then have a nice next Day as well. :)

[Thinlómien]

Well, I really have very little to say. I could go and analyse someone, but that feels a bit pointless since Brinn already provided us with the quotes that matter. Of course, there is stuff to be learnt from other posts too. Also, I'm rather convinced Gwath is the last wolf, so I don't even feel like doing research - why try to find out something you know already? I know an attitude like this is terribly unhealthy, so I will try to look at someone else's posts later toDay.

I can sympathise with Gwath's frustration at the suspicions directed to him, but italso looks a bit wolvish. I mean, at least I'm more bothered by inconcrete accusations against myself when I'm a wolf (or a gifted, or an ordo on a Day the village can'yt afford to lose an innocent).

So, I would be interested to know exactly why you are all so intent on lynching me (if you even know), so that I can at least try to defend myself. Thanks.Well, Gwath, my problem with that is I suspect you the most not because you'd look incredibly wolvish (although others have raised good points against you which I agree with), but because everybody else looks far more innocent. Thus, logically, you are my main suspect. (Besides, after you and Gaunt got me-wolf lynched so close to victory in Eomer's game, I feel like assuring that you-wolf won't get to win this time. ;) Well, ok, that was not of course what I'm really thinking. :D It just occured to me and I had to say it aloud.)

I have no idea what to make of Gil's sudden reappearance... well, let's hope he reads through the thread (or at least some of it, poor one :D) and makes some interesting contributions. He's a smart guy when he bothers to actually think about stuff and post.

[Mithalwen]

Since obviously not everyone will wish to speak openly about this for tactical/ in-game reasons If anyone has strong feelings about this issue could you PM the moddesses ASAP?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

We should probably start talking about who to lynch, I know that all the representatives have voiced suspicion about Gwath, but I think we should look into other options as well.

Anyways I am working on my paper again today, but I will dedicate some hours to analysing later today. Until then I will not be overly active unless something special happens. . .

[Thinlómien]

Last post over SIX HOURS ago? Goodness this game is quiet... I will go and analyse someone soon just to create some discussion...

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

So will I. . . I am taking my brake now.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I have chosen to look at posts from the time after we lynched the two wolfs.

Ilya: Has done very little posting of substans since then, but made sure to come back and vote. I am not going to go over her posts where she just states who has voted or where she just says hello.

Ok, I don't have a lot of time to post before the procrastination patrol catches me on the computer. But, firstly, major props to Brinn for putting together the mega-posts and tp for the voting records.

Gil...would not be this absent, even as a wolf. We could try to put together another double-lynch just to be sure, but that sorta seems like overkill. I believe he honestly forgot about the game.

Gwath is still too slippery for me to get a good read on yet. It was kinda funny our reactions were worded similarly, yeah. Although, the points we made were different.

Interesting point about Sally's eagerness to double-lynch. Hadn't thought of that, although it is the sorta triple-double ploy thinking that can be spun either way.

I understand Rune's day 4 frustrations, though. It sucks when you're wrong and I think Rune's writing style favors hyperbole.

I'll vote in about an hour or so, after I've done some non-WW-related work.
Nothing that really stands out here, she seems to voice the same conserns as everybody else. . .except that she understood my reactions. I don't know if that meens anything, but of course I was glad to see somebody understood why I was annoyd with MormeGeil being a wolf.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I have chosen to look at posts from the time after we lynched the two wolfs.

Ilya: Has done very little posting of substans since then, but made sure to come back and vote. I am not going to go over her posts where she just states who has voted or where she just says hello.

Ok, I don't have a lot of time to post before the procrastination patrol catches me on the computer. But, firstly, major props to Brinn for putting together the mega-posts and tp for the voting records.

Gil...would not be this absent, even as a wolf. We could try to put together another double-lynch just to be sure, but that sorta seems like overkill. I believe he honestly forgot about the game.

Gwath is still too slippery for me to get a good read on yet. It was kinda funny our reactions were worded similarly, yeah. Although, the points we made were different.

Interesting point about Sally's eagerness to double-lynch. Hadn't thought of that, although it is the sorta triple-double ploy thinking that can be spun either way.

I understand Rune's day 4 frustrations, though. It sucks when you're wrong and I think Rune's writing style favors hyperbole.

I'll vote in about an hour or so, after I've done some non-WW-related work.
Nothing that really stands out here, she seems to voice the same conserns as everybody else. . .except that she understood my reactions. I don't know if that meens anything, but of course I was glad to see somebody understood why I was annoyd with MormeGeil being a wolf.

Then in post 1565 she votes for Brinn and then does almost nothing until she votes for me and yet again dissapears.

So she is quite the submarine, the very thing that made me suspect her in the first place, but for some reason she seems rather genuin. . .
I really wish that she would contribute more as that would make me feel better about not suspecting her.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I see that somethig went wrong when I typed in that post. . . Is it OK if I delete the first?

[Thinlómien]

I just can't decide who to look at. Everybody else but Gwath just looks so innocent. :rolleyes: If we lynch Gwath and he turns out to be innocent, I'm going to be seriously baffled... Hmmm... I'm gonna have yet another look at Brinn's quotes.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I just can't decide who to look at. Everybody else but Gwath just looks so innocent. :rolleyes: If we lynch Gwath and he turns out to be innocent, I'm going to be seriously baffled... Hmmm... I'm gonna have yet another look at Brinn's quotes.

I don't know if I will be baffled, it seems quite plausible that the last wolf is not the most obvious candidate and that is what bothers me. It is not like earlier in the game where I had a target that I was quite convinced about (and wrong), now I find my self second guessing my self all the time. . . I guess it is healthy not to be blinded by focusing on one person, but it is bad for the nerves.

Right now I feel quite good about most people in this village, but I could easily imagine most of you guys as really smart wolves.

anyways at the moment I am looking at Greenie's posts, so far I have not found something major.

[Thinlómien]

Alright. If the wolf is not Gwath, it's Brinn who's maintaining her calm admirably and otherwise playing brilliantly too.

If it's someone else, the wolves have made rather bold bluffs, as I believe I've found "factual" "evidence" pointing at the others' innocence.

[Thinlómien]

++Gwath

I won't be able to suspect anyone else seriously before he's dead.

With a high probability (or it seems so to me right now) I won't even have to.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Would you belive that my previous post was my post nr. 3000 ! (how uneventful)

I have looked over Greenie's posts and even thought she has said quite alot compared to others, she is hard to analyse. Her suspicions seems to be about the tone that people have in their posts, at least that was what she refered to in her example to why she suspected Sally. It actually suprised me because I did not see anything wrong with Sally's post, it could be a wolf trying to pull the strings and get Sally lynched without getting too involved. . . Nerwen was doing the dirty work and by giving her a bit of suport Greenie could hope to turn the village against Sally without leaving too much of a trail.

I know that this case is not air-tight especially because she actually uses quotes from known wolves in her case against Sally, but I am just trying to get the ball rolling.

She also suspects Gwath, but only because she is not sure about him and she says something of the same sort about Ilya.

If you are a wolf it would be quite smart to have one major suspect (Sally), two that you are unsure about (Ilya and Gwath) and feel good about the rest. That way you would limit the amount of foes you get in the village and if you post relatively substancial posts, you wont get accused of being a U-boat.

Anyways all this being said I do not find her that wolf-like. . .

EDIT: Cross Posted With Lommy

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Alright. If the wolf is not Gwath, it's Brinn who's maintaining her calm admirably and otherwise playing brilliantly too.

If it's someone else, the wolves have made rather bold bluffs, as I believe I've found "factual" "evidence" pointing at the others' innocence.

Come on, you could try to whip up some theories so we have something to talk about. . . I also find most people innocent (and some is supportet by the so called factual evidence) but I just think we owe it to the village to consider all options and then we can always discard the theories we don't belive in.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Last post over SIX HOURS ago? Goodness this game is quiet... I will go and analyse someone soon just to create some discussion...

I am quite disapointed that you did not actually do so, I am also disapointed that Kath have not showed. . .I guess the Americans are excused, but still.

The problem is for me that I don't get anywhere just by throwing around random theories, I need people to comment on them in order for my opinion to be formed properly.

Anyways it seems Gwath's death is just around the corner as Kath said she would most likely vote for him and since he was also on my list of lynch candidates.

As I said I would have loved to discuss other options, but since no one has ingaged in dialog I will probably end up voting for him. Brinn is of course still an option, but for some reason I have not focused that much on her of late. Then there is Lommy and Greenie, but to be honest I have not convinced my self of their guilt. . .this is where I really could have used some dialog.
Ilya and Nerwen put me in office and I have not seen anything really wolfish from them in a while, although maybe one ought to have looked at what Sally said about Nerwen before she got lynched.

I will vote soon

[Kath]

Hi I am here! Sorry about that. I got on the 'Downs intending to post, made it as far as the Scarburg thread and then my father arrived home with numerous injuries (entirely his own fault - nothing life threatening) and had to be taken care of. Now it is nearly time for me to go so what I will do is this. On my skim through the thread I saw that Gwath had replied to those comments I made so I will go and look at that and any other of his posts toDay. I will then also go and look at Brinn because I actually agree with Lommy that if Gwath is not a wolf then Brinn does seem likely. I didn't think this until my skim-through just now when something popped out at me. I'll reread and see if it still seems odd.

So, expect a couple of posts from me in the next half an hour or so and then a vote.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Brilliant!

I might just stick around to read those posts before I vote.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

OK I cannot wait around any longer, my eyes are heavy and I am starting to feel sick from looking at this screen.

I am going to vote for Gwath because of what I said in post 1582 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=575228&postcount=1582), I am just afraid that he might be too quiet to be a wolf. . . but then again The Ka did not say much either.

The reason I do not vote for Brinn now is because I am giving her the benefit of doubt, I always suspect her and it might very well just be because of her style. . .

I just realised that Gwath is the right kill to make, even if he is not a wolf he is in the way of a more open debate. With him gone there will be no obvious lynch candidate, even though Brinn is finaly getting some atention.

++Gwath

[Kath]

Brinn (toDay):
1 - does say she's not going to be around much which immediately makes me want to give her the benefit of the doubt toDay, if only because it's really bad manners to attack someone when they have no chance of defending themselves. Because I too am suspicious of Gwath I see where her comments are coming from. But, of course, having seen the way things were looking for him yesterDay a wolf could easily jump on that likely bandwagon.

2 - wants a third Rep for balance. Actually a very good idea in case we do end up with the wolf and an innocent as Reps. Pokes at the Gil thing.

3 - votes me, putting me in power. Now, with Lommy and her 'yeah go for Gwath' it makes me think her innocent because that's just so overtly bloodthirsty I don't think she's a wolf, Brinn's agreement is much more understated and somehow therefore more suspicious.

Gwath (toDay):
1 - sort of a defense, saying that he's only suspected because everyone suspects him. Don't you love circular reasoning? :rolleyes: But seriously I can see what he means - except that everyone has different reasons for suspecting him and so it isn't really a kind of mass hysteria. His defense to Brinn's question about why he thought there would be a toMorrow is interesting. 'I didn't know' he says, yet if you read the post Brinn quotes there are no 'if there's a toMorrow' ideas. It is too sure.

2 - defends-ish Lommy, good point. Says he won't vote for Greenie as he's suspicious of her and will look at her later. Has been saying he'll look at people later a fair bit, as I recall the last time I looked through his posts he hadn't done many of the 'look-ats' he said he would. He does have limited time though.

3 - expresses general annoyance but with incorrect complaints. Says there are only general feelings against him, from me at least that's not the case. Says there are no questions for him to answer. Again, from me and definitely Brinn there were.

4 - I very much like that he replied to the questions I put to him. Some of the replies make me think him less suspicious - his one about Boro for example, because upon consulting my memory he is correct. What I don't like is the way he causally drops known innocents into the mix, saying that phantom had the opposite opinion about Nog. It isn't necessary. The Day 1 stuff - I mean the thing is that basically all the Reps except for Nog and Legate basically said he was under the radar completely and that they had no opinion on him. Nog had him down as 'could be a wolf, could not be' - and had Shasta and phantom down with the same comment. Says Legate has suddenly become very suspicious (this is Nog not Gwath) but then goes and vote Gwath who only has a 'maybe/maybe not' comment rather than a reason like morm did. So far I as I can see not one of the other Reps, apart from Legate for a little while, even considered voting Gwath - which makes Nog's a very safe wolf on wolf vote if that's the case.

5 - had said that he might vote Lommy or Brinn. Then said he'd thought of voting Lommy or Rune. Ends up voting Nerwen. I'm intrigued about where the Nerwen vote came from considering he hadn't even mentioned her until then.

Aaand that's it. And I'm still unsure. I suspect both Gwath and Brinn but to differing degrees. The relationship Gwath had with Nog really does make me suspicious of him. I do have more 'evidence' for thinking Gwath a wolf than I do Brinn. I also don't really want to vote until either/both of them have a chance to defend themselves but nor can I hold off on my vote when I'm already running behind schedule. I'll think for a few minutes and then I'll have to make a decision.

Oh and to answer Nerwen - no, I understood what you were trying to do with sally, to make her talk. I think the problem was that everything you said to her was tinged with 'look I know you're a wolf, let's see how you react to that' rather than 'I'm a bit suspicious of you, can you give me a good defense'. I'm not saying that you did that deliberately, merely that it came across that way. Even reading it through when it wasn't directed at me I found it quite aggressive.

As regards Gil - I say leave him be. If he is the last wolf ... well, then the game's been a sham to be honest.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Brilliant post Kath, you make some exelent points about both Brinn and Gwath and I am very sorry that I did not wait a bit longer before voting.
This is the kind of posting I have been wanting to see all day, if everybody made just a single contribution like this then I think we would really get somewhere.

[Kath]

I have to go to bed so:

++GWATH

He is my top suspect, he has been for two Days, to suddenly change now would be going against my own principles. I don't like to vote when I've thought up new questions and he hasn't had a chance to answer them but I just can't wait any more.

[Brinniel]

Well, I really have very little to say. I could go and analyse someone, but that feels a bit pointless since Brinn already provided us with the quotes that matter.
Okay, I'm starting to get really irritated that I even bothered to put up those quotes. Because I didn't put them up so that everyone can be lazy and not bother to do any research themselves. I'm not perfect...how do you know that I haven't missed an important quote somewhere? With over 40 pages, it'd be easy for me to miss something. And ever since Boro revealed morm and Nogrod, there has been a terrible amount of slacking. Some effort needs to be done to actually find the final wolf and it shouldn't only be done by one or two people. So far it seems there has been a lot of assumed suspicion without much research.

If it's someone else, the wolves have made rather bold bluffs, as I believe I've found "factual" "evidence" pointing at the others' innocence.
Can you tell us where this "factual" evidence is? I'm so used to you being more analytical than this, Lommy, but toDay most of your posts don't have much substance. I'd like to see more explanation (wow, I think I actually agree with Rune on something :p ).

On another note, I'm pulling a Legate 180 and having serious second thoughts about Gwath. He seems like such an easy target and I have a bad feeling that toDay is going to be a repeat of yesterDay. YesterDay, Sally was the prime suspect and no matter how much she defended herself, no one's mind could be changed. And then Gwath was chosen as a target practically yesterDay so that he has no opportunity to even defend himself toDay. It was like, "If Sally's not the wolf than he must be." There was even the consideration for a double lynch, which would've been a bad idea as I'm never fond of double lynches unless it is between two known wolves. What bothers me more is that few seem to care to do research because they are so certain of Gwath's guilt. Yes, I know I'm being a hypocrite for criticising people for laziness as I haven't posted much either, but I'm going through a lot of RL stuff right now (and I understand for others who are too). It just feels that lynching Gwath is too easy and I wouldn't at all be surprised if the wolf was the one pulling the strings.

does say she's not going to be around much which immediately makes me want to give her the benefit of the doubt toDay, if only because it's really bad manners to attack someone when they have no chance of defending themselves
If that's the only reason you're gonna give me the benefit of the doubt, you might as well lynch me now. With the holiday season here, my days are gonna get more and more stressful because once I get back from Thanksgiving break I will be overloaded with schoolwork. I didn't expect this game to last for so long and as much as I worry that Gwath is not our wolf, I honest to god hope that he is because I just don't have the time or energy to devote to WW anymore.

[Gwathagor]

:rolleyes:

[Rikae]

Dead:

Fea
Mith
Rikae
Diamond18 (ordo)
Legate (ordo)
McCaber (ordo)
Eönwë/Steve (ordo)
Aganzir (ordo)
Ka (wolf)
Shasta (ordo)
Mormegil (wolf)
Nogrod (wolf)
Boromir88 (seer)
Sally (ordo)
the phantom (ordo)
Gwathagor (ordo)


Alive:

Brinniel
Gil-Galad
Greenie
Ilya
Lommy
Kath
Nerwen
Rune

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

That's a thought– has our chief mod-goddess accepted Boro's abortive filibuster, or do we have to provide another?

I accept it because it did occur within the specified parameters, but I'm not particularly happy about it.

but then it's Fea and Fea loves an interesting game.

Yes.

Perhaps in the future there should be some rule reading something like "You must read the rules and Day/Night closing and opening posts. If it looks like you haven't (to the extent that you don't even know what the roles are or who is dead) then you will be mod-fired." That would keep people from playing the "I don't even know the rules so I can't be a Wolf" card.

My official statement on the matter has thus far been: all's fair in love and war.

I guess I'm now supposed to provide you with a narration worthy of the outstanding, incredible, inconceivable, and utterly unbelievable phantom...

...but I'm already in my pyjamas. ;) ~Mac

Hahaha! :D

---

To be continued.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

And then the still-living wolf snickered, murmuring while nobody could hear:

"Village, be not proud, though some have called thee
Mighty and dreadful, for thou are not so;
For those whom thou think'st thou dost overthrow
Die not, poor Village, nor yet canst thou kill me.
From rest and sleep, which but thy pictures be,
Much pleasure; then from thee much more must flow,
And soonest our best men with thee do go,
Rest of their bones, and soul's delivery.
Thou'art slave to fate, chance, kings, and desperate men,
And dost with poison, war, and sickness dwell,
And poppy'or charms can make us sleep as well
And better than thy stroke; why swell'st thou then?
One short sleep past, we wake eternally,
And Gwath shall be no more; Gwath, thou shalt die."

---

Dear John Donne: I'm so, so sorry.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

In a hole in the ground they shoved their Sally. Yes, a nasty, dirty, wet hole, filled with the ends of worms and an oozy smell, rather than a dry, bare, sandy hole with things in it to sit down on and to eat: it was a lynching-hole, and that means discomfort.

It had no perfectly round door like a porthole, painted green, with a shiny yellow brass knob in the exact middle, opening on to a tube-shaped hall like a tunnel: it was a very uncomfortable tunnel with smoke, with grubby walls, and floors dank and moldy, with no polished chairs, and absolutely no pegs for hats and coats – this hole was meant for prisoners, not visitors. The tunnel wound on and on, going fairly but not quite straight into the side of the hill. The Hill, as all the terrified people for many miles round called it, lacked doors opening out of it: there was nowhere for Sally to go but in. No going upstairs for Sally: the tunnel went only deeper and deeper down.

As she clawed her way lower, driven onward by the shouts of the village and the rats they were releasing behind her, the tunnel collapsed over her head, burying her tragically.

In the hole in the Hill, died an ordo.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

By: the phantom

---

The final Werewolf was in a foul mood as it made its way quietly towards Phantom's dwelling. Finally, I can be rid of that loud-mouthed cloaked nuisance! I should have killed him the very first night!

The Werewolf hopped the hedge onto Phantom's property, and was surprised to find light streaming out through a wide open front door. The beast paused, fearing some trick (or perhaps a ploy).

A merry voice called out from within the house. "Come on in, my furry friend! Have a drink with me!"

Senses on full alert, the Werewolf padded warily through the door. Phantom called out again from the room on the Wolf's right side. "Hurry now, or there will be no wine left for you!"

The creature entered the room, and there was the phantom, dressed in his usual hooded cloak, lounging at the head of a large dining table. He picked up a bottle and tossed it to the Wolf. "Glad you could join me! Now- a toast, to Boromir! A fine Seer, and a supremely entertaining fellow! Though he was an enemy, it is proper to honor skill and bravery!"

Phantom tipped his bottle and took a good swallow. The Werewolf grunted in displeasure and broke the bottle it held in its paws. "You dare to mock me now, when I have come to kill you?!" it growled. "For that, I will make your death long and painful."

"You really don't want to attack me," answered Phantom. "I can help you. I have books upon books of strategy and the like. The odds are against you, but with my help you could very well pull out the victory. But in order to gain my help, you would need to agree to certain terms."

The Werewolf wrinkled its fuzzy brow in confusion. "Surely you are not serious? You are on the side of the village. Why should you help me?"

"I was only on the side of the village because I didn't like the way you and your companions did business," answered Phantom. "Meeting together each night and talking things over, and compromising, and coming to decisions in a democratic manner... It made me sick! I felt ashamed to be a Werewolf!"

"What?! A Werewo-"

"Yes. Those villages just down the river from us- the ones that got eaten last year. That was me!" Phantom threw back his head and laughed.

"You're lying!" howled the Werewolf.

"I've been waiting for companions for some time now," explained Phantom. "You four came along and I thought it was time to cause some carnage, but the first night I overheard you talking. You just... weren't my type of Werewolves. Much too... governmental."

"But the Seer found you innocent!" yelled the Werewolf.

"No, he merely found me not to be a Werewolf that particular night, for indeed, I did not transform that night."

"You're just trying to save your skin! Prove you are a Werewolf!"

Phantom stood up and pulled back his hood. His teeth, eyes, ears, and mouth all testified that his claim was true. The Werewolf stared in shock.

"Now, if you're going to join me, here's what we're going to do," began Phantom. "First, we'll kill-"

"No, no- it doesn't work like that," protested the Werewolf. "We must go to the Wolf Civic Board, and get licenced to sponsor a pack. And then we go before the Wolf Council and ask permission to form a pack. And then the Wolf Admissions Panel has to do a background check on you before you can join the pack. Then you must read the Wolf Behavioral Guide and take the exam. And then-"

"Enough!" shouted Phantom. "I rescind my offer. I thought perhaps you were different from your fellows. But I see you are just as hideously bureaucratic as the rest of this village."

Phantom turned his back and walked out of the room, straight out the back door, and on into the countryside, in search of a place with fewer rules.

---

Moddess Note: Werewolf though the phantom may at heart be, he wasn't one of this particular village's werewolves. In this village, he really was on the good guys' side.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

The village wakes.

Each member yawns, stretches, remembers that somebody dies every night.

They rush to the town hall.

They do a head count.

Jaws drop.

One of them snickers quietly.

---

Dead:

Fea
Mith
Rikae
Diamond18 (ordo)
Legate (ordo)
McCaber (ordo)
Eönwë/Steve (ordo)
Aganzir (ordo)
Ka (wolf)
Shasta (ordo)
Mormegil (wolf)
Nogrod (wolf)
Boromir88 (seer)
Sally (ordo)
the phantom (ordo)
Gwathagor (ordo)


Alive:

Brinniel
Gil-Galad
Greenie
Ilya
Lommy
Kath
Nerwen
Rune

---

Day begins.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Somebody is trying to be cunning. . . it could cost you in the end.

Of course maybe you just take great saticfaction in seing us killing each other.

Anyways, I will be back when my school is done in some hours, see you then.

[Nerwen]

Somebody is trying to be cunning. . . it could cost you in the end.

Or does it just mean the wolf failed to send in the kill?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Or does it just mean the wolf failed to send in the kill?

It could be. . . then we are dealing with a very unprofesional wolf.

[Mithalwen]

And then the still-living wolf snickered, murmuring while nobody could hear:

"One short sleep past, we wake eternally,
And Gwath shall be no more; Gwath, thou shalt die."

---

Dear John Donne: I'm so, so sorry.


Well at least we can be sure that the remaining werewolf is NOT Helen Gardner...:p

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Well at least we can be sure that the remaining werewolf is NOT Helen Gardner...:p

Indeed. Nor John Donne. ;)

You know, I could really get used to checking in and not finding six new pages... My own fault, I know...

[Mithalwen]

|I am sorry - I hoped to around more over the weekend but stuff happened.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Psh. I was talking about like the first three days when I'd have a one hour class, come back and find like four pages of banter.

It really wasn't that bad catching up yesterday.

[Thinlómien]

Something sad happened and I've been rather down all day, so I couldn't bring myself to actually start thinking about stuff like "who's the last werewolf" but now I feel a little better and will do my best to do something. So, without further whining...

Well, first off, I'm more than surprised to see that this game is still going on. As you might have noticed, I was rather confident that Gwath was our last wolf. Whoever is our last wolf is doing rather convincing job.

I think we shouldn't make too much out of the lack of a kill. It could mean basically anything and we are just going to distract ourselves if we concentrate on it.

Yeah, that wasn't much, I know. I'll be back soon to say more stuff. Meanwhile, I'll let Greenie post.

[A Little Green]

I just had the worst day in a long while - I don't know how much I'll post toDay. It was lovely, though, that there was a break so I didn't miss much during my time in Paris.

Now to topic, then - I'm surprised that Gwath wasn't guilty, but then, my instincts have been horribly wrong all game. *sigh* I should probably make a list - the ones who are left all seem innocentish to me. Yeah, I probably make a list and then vote a rep. Just by intuition I'd say Lommy and Rune at least are innocent. Yes and Lommy, I'd love to know what that factual evidence is if you only could share it.

Anyone around?

[A Little Green]

I'M QUITE CONVINCED ARE INNOCENT:
Lommy
Nerwen
Rune
They all seem very innocentish. (Ah what a reason!) Yeah, that's just the general feel I get from their posts. They have good points, react genuinely to things and act reasonably.

I'M NOT CONVINCED ARE INNOCENT:
Kath - I have lost my once-good read on her. I no longer am so sure of her innocence, but I still think she's not the last wolf. (I see I'm not making any sense whatsoever. I'm having a bit of fever and very tired and not quite feeling myself anyway. Ah well.) She brought up good points yesterDay, though.
Brinniel - People have brought up good points about her. Let's say I don't know right now. I don't suspect her, but am not convinced she's innocent, either.
Gil-Galad - I can't be convinced either way with the lack of evidence.
Ilya - Still under my Rudolph, I'm afraid. She's the one I'm most uncomfortable with right now, mainly because I feel generally quite good about the others.

I'm going to sleep soon. Sorry to be like this, but I'm really too tired and confused with everything to concentrate more.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Girls, do you want me to pause the game to give you some time? Please let me know...

[A Little Green]

I see there's no one else here - a pity, I'd have liked to have a chat with someone before leaving and hear a bit about who you others are voting for rep. Well, no can do.

++ Rune for rep

Content, eh? :D Now really, I'm quite convinced of his innocence and trust his judgement (even though it's been almost as bad as mine... :rolleyes:).

I'm off to bed. I'll try to be more active toMorrow, but for now good night.

[Thinlómien]

Girls, do you want me to pause the game to give you some time? Please let me know...Thanks Fea for asking that :) but I think that's unnecessary - we'll be alright...

Yes and Lommy, I'd love to know what that factual evidence is if you only could share it.I've shared it when it's appeared, but I'll gather it for you to one single post. Maybe going through them will also prove which one of them is wrong. :rolleyes:

Ok, I'll do that next. That's a place to start.

[Thinlómien]

Ilya

This
Okay I am just to this line and found it odd. It would seem to me that this is the first time Ilya has played, correct? If he/she (sorry I don't know which) were to be a wolf with Legate, there would be some aprehension and fear associated with such a role on the first time.
caught my eye. Could this hint that Ilya is innocent since morm knows so little about her and one could assume he would know his fellow wolf's gender and whether she's a first-timer or not? But surely, it could be just bluff as well... (I remember I was once a wolf with xyzzy and while I was lynched early on he got really far because he pretended to be confused about something related to me, asking "who's Lommy", or something like that.)


Nerwen

I wonder if wolf-Nerwen and wolf-morm would have started such a fight with each other. As far as I know, they don't know each other particularily well, so the possibility of a beforehand-planned wolf-on-wolf fight seems less probable... Also, morm almost got her lynched. I don't know if the wolves would have taken such a risk for no obvious benefits...


Rune

Rune seems more innocent of the two, though. There are some wuotes that make me think he's innocent. Like this:

About Nogrod: I cannot put my finger on it, but something seems different about him in this game. I don't know if it is just because he has been more or less ignoring my existance or there is something more sinicter behind.
Would a wolf say this about a fellow? Spotlight the fact that his fellow has avoided making any ties to him? I don't think so...

Kath

And Kath looks more innocent because unless she didn't get the Nightly PMs, I don't see how she could miss Legate's death without bluffing (and I don't think she would).


Gil

Actually given that there WAS a kill last Night I'm thinking it's unlikely he is a wolf.


Brinn and Greenie - no "evidence".

Comments to follow in next post...

[Thinlómien]

Okay, what I now think of my "evidence"...

Nerwen and Ilya evidences don't tell us anything and thus maybe should be ignored... but I still can't do that 100%.

However minor it is, I think my evidence for Rune actually is the most convincing - apart from the Gil evidence, that is. In the case of Rune I'd like to emphasise that it's more often the small things against someone's wolvishness that are true...

As for the Kath evidence... it is the most baffling... I mean, it looks so obvious that a wolf would know who was lynched but it looks equally obvious that an innocent would check whether they're alive or not before posting!

So I will really have to think about stuff...

[Thinlómien]

++Rune for rep

Because I feel I can trust him the best although I can't.

[Kath]

Out of those who are left my suspicions lie with Rune and Brinn. Brinn was turning round on the Gwath thing yesterDay and as he has now been proven innocent it seems a little odd. Rune ... Rune is a tough nut, I would say it's the way he reacted to this no kill last Night.

Now, the no kill ... I could potentially see it being a bit of a clumsy tactic. Perhaps even an attempt to frame Gil. But it is so risky for a lone wolf to allow the numbers to be against them for an extra Day so I doubt it. It could be the result of someone being busy during the break, not realising quite when we were starting again, I know I was surprised to see posts again this morning.

To answer Lommy, I said 'technically' in that post. I'd seen people mentioning me in the thread when I'd done a quick skim without use of past tense and so just assumed I was alright to post. I had some idea that I was ok to do it, I just hadn't checked.

[Thinlómien]

ow, the no kill ... I could potentially see it being a bit of a clumsy tactic. Perhaps even an attempt to frame Gil. But it is so risky for a lone wolf to allow the numbers to be against them for an extra Day so I doubt it.If it indeed was a tactic, I would think it was yours - a way to go around the problem that you are generally suspected the least and thus would be the most logical kill.

[Brinniel]

Why wasn't there a kill last Night? :confused: The narration almost indicates that it was done on purpose, but I can't see why the wolf would try such a risky move even if it was for a setup. I'd think that the final wolf would want to play it safe and eliminate the number of players as fast as possible, but maybe I'm wrong. Though with so many players having RL issues going on, the possibility that the wolf simply made a goof and forgot is quite plausible.

Oh goodness, I had to get up at 4am this morning for a flight and after a four hour nap I'm still dead tired. :rolleyes: I'll be around later this evening hopefully feeling a little more alive to post some thoughts. Even though I should probably be doing my homework at that time. Oh, how WW is a great way to procrastinate...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Oh
my
Eru.

They fixed the Barrowdowns clock.

Everybody please take note-

and remember that deadline is in ish-3 hours and at the moment Runeski's your only Rep.

[Brinniel]

Yeesh, where is everyone? I feel like we've all just given up on this game or something. :(

The idea of having only one rep does not sound appealing. Especially since in comparison to some other players, I don't exactly trust Rune. Though two reps isn't much better since both reps would have to agree on one player or else create a double lynch (unless one receives more votes). Three reps would be the best way to keep things unslanted.

So in order to have more reps than less, I'll vote for one of the two who have already voted:

++Greenie for rep

Heroes is on right now, so don't expect me to post again for the next hour.

[Ilya]

This village got awfully quiet after Boro and TP left, but still, no kill? Something Brinn said yesterday struck me, ya'll. We're being lazy. Or, you know, I, at least, am guilty of taking suggested guilt at face value. It was generally assumed both Gwath and Sally were suspicious because some people said they were suspicious a lot, and it's likely the wolf is helping to prompt that suspicion, although the WW obviously isn't the only one speaking out. So: list.

Raised Suspicions Today
Lommy: sorta cleared Rune, waffles about Kath, who is "generally suspected" and the no kill fits her style, suggests ignoring Nerwen and Ilya
Kath: suspicious of Rune for his reaction to the no kill and Brinn for her Legate 180 on Gwath. The no kill could be a trying to frame Gil
Brinn: Doesn't really trust Rune.
Greenie: Rune, Lommy, Nerwen all innocentish. Lost a read on Kath, has no read on Ilya, no evidence to form a read on Gil, and thinks the points brought up about Brinn are valid.

So, another list.
Kath: Suspected sorta by Lommy and by Greenie.
Rune: Suspected by Brinn and Kath. Cleared by Greenie and Lommy
Brinn: Suspected by Kath and Greenie.
Lommy: Cleared by Greenie
Nerwen: Cleared by Greenie
Greenie: No one's really mentioned anything either way. Kath voted for Greenie as a rep just on the basis of activity.
Gil: Could be being set up according to Kath.
Ilya: Put in the question mark column by Greenie, but thinks I'm suspiciousish. Lommy suggests ignoring me.

So, according to the general suspicions of the Nation:
The Heroes
Lommy and Nerwen have both been generally considered innocent. As are John Dunne and Helen Gardener.
On Notice
Brinn, Rune, Kath, and Ilya have all been bandied about as possible suspects.
Dead to Stephen Colbert
Greenie has gone completely without comment by anyone else, and Gil continues to move in ways mysterious to the rest of us.

Will be back in a half-hour or so to vote.

[Brinniel]

Hurrah, someone's actually posted since me...

Considering the time difference, I'm going to guess that Rune and Kath are most likely not going to show up to vote for a rep. Does anyone else find it strange that they both showed up to post, yet did not vote? It just makes me uneasy when players don't vote so late in the game. When there are less players, it becomes even more critical to vote to keep the game balanced. Because the less votes, the less reps.

Anyways, I'm 99.9% sure Gil won't show up either so it looks like Ilya and Nerwen may be the final voters.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

While I'll be around tomorrow, I'll be scarce (response paper due at 3:20 to a novel I'm not done reading, ten page paper due at 6:00 that I haven't yet started). Shout if you need me.

[Ilya]

++Greenie for rep

Because we need more than one rep. I'm out for the night.

[Nerwen]

Sorry for lack of posting. I have been horribly busy... to busy to even send in my ki–

No! Curses! Condemned out of my own furry maw!

[Nerwen]

Only two reps, I see? That's not good.

Is there any point my voting?

[Nerwen]

++Lommy for rep

In case one of the others shows up.

[Thinlómien]

We have just two reps? That means that whoever votes first gets to decide the lynch, unless we want a double lynch. :eek: I can't say I envy Greenie and Rune.

I'll try to do something useful today but I have a dozen things to do so I don't know how much I can manage...

Lommy: sorta cleared Rune, waffles about Kath, who is "generally suspected" and the no kill fits her style, suggests ignoring Nerwen and IlyaOk, I'm sorry if I was unclear but I did not definitely mean that: I don't think that we should ignore you and Nerwen (we can't afford to ignore anyone except Gil) but that we should ignore my "evidence" for your innocence, and I didn't say Kath is generally suspected - on the contrary, she's generally trusted - nor that the kill fits her style (I don't think making a bluff like that would be very kathish, I'm just saying that she is the only one of us I can see having a reason to bluff by making no kill). Hope that clears up.

[Nerwen]

Anyone here?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Sorry for not posting or voting, but I have been in kind of the same situation as Lommy and Greenie and I attended what could be be described as an unofficial wake last night.

I am glad that you chose me as a representative again and I promise I will take a closer look on different people, I might not be able to post much before late in the evening. . .

When will you be around Greenie?

[Kath]

I'm so sorry I didn't vote. I have no reasonable excuse. I just plain forgot.

Right now I'm on my lunch break from work so I don't have time to do anything but once I get home properly I will get on here and put some effort in.

[Thinlómien]

Okay a totally randomly feeling-based list

Innocent
Rune
Gil
Ilya

Unsure
Greenie
Brinn
Kath
Nerwen

Suspicious
- seemingly, no one was left to this category -

I don't really know what to think, but I think I suspect Brinn the most but... aiee. I haven't been this lost in a ww game for ages.

[Brinniel]

Gil-Galad: Bah, I'm still completely ignoring him as I don't see any reason why he'd be the wolf. So he better not be.

Greenie: Other than her vote for Rune, I agree with a lot that she says. Not sure whether her posts read innocence or guilt though.

Ilya: Of everyone, she's probably the one falling under my radar the most. She agrees with the laziness that's going around, yet she hasn't posted much of her thoughts herself. I'd like to hear more from her.

Lommy: I found it weird that she found people innocent based on "evidence" that really doesn't necessarily mean innocence at all. She took some of it back, but I still don't understand how she came to those conclusions in the first place.

Kath: I honestly have no clue about her. While nothing rings out as particularly suspicious, I recall that Kath has played quite the sneaky wolf in the past and wouldn't be surprised if she's pulling it off again.

Nerwen: Really hasn't said much of anything but one-liners toDay, which worries me. I'd like to hear more.

Rune: I just can't get myself to trust him, yet I don't necessarily find him suspicious. Perhaps it's his posting style, but I can never get a good read on him. And I'm hesitant to suspect him because whenever I do I end up being wrong....though then again I don't think I've ever seen Rune play as a wolf.

Ugh, it's reached a point where just about everyone is a question mark to me. How frustrating.

I don't really know what to think, but I think I suspect Brinn the most
Can you explain why you suspect me the most? :confused:

I've got classes all day so there's a good chance I won't be around until evening (6:30pm EST). I might try to post in between classes, but no promises.

[Kath]

Right, I shall tell you what my problem is. I was completely convinced that Gwath was the wolf, I mean really convinced, so ever since the narration that said actually he wasn't I've been really thrown. There are people around who I think are suspicious as I said earlier, but my suspicion is almost half-hearted, as if I can't really believe that there's a wolf left. I will try to get over this because, obviously, there is a wolf left.

So ... yeah. Brinn is my current main suspect because yesterDay before Gwath was lynched she was suddenly turning round on the subject of his potential guilt.

I feel that I ought to be suspicious of Lommy because of her turnaround on me ... except that I completely understand it. With so few people left it's very hard not to find everyone suspicious.

Hmm, I think I might get something to eat, boost my energy a bit and then I'll come back and do a review of those who are around.

[A Little Green]

We have just two reps? That means that whoever votes first gets to decide the lynch, unless we want a double lynch. I can't say I envy Greenie and Rune.I don't envy myself. :p Really, I'm in trouble now - like Brinn, I've reached the point where everyone is a questionmark. Also, I don't like the fact that we only have two reps, and that so many didn't vote. I'll check who voted for whom.

voted Rune:
Greenie
Lommy

voted Greenie:
Brinniel
Ilya

voted Lommy:
Nerwen

didn't vote:
Gil-Galad
Rune
Kath

Hmmm. It's no surprise Gil didn't vote, Kath already said that she forgot. Runne, why didn't you vote?

When will you be around Greenie?I'll be more or less around all evening from now on. I'll be coming and going, but for now I'm here. How about you?

Is there anyone else here or shall I be talking to myself again? I'd love some proper discussion and activity before I make up my mind on who to lynch.

[Brinniel]

So ... yeah. Brinn is my current main suspect because yesterDay before Gwath was lynched she was suddenly turning round on the subject of his potential guilt.
I made a turnaround on him because after reading through the Day and re-evaluating the situation, I began to have second thoughts. If I could've come in and said something in the earlier second half of the Day before the votes came in, I would've, but I was busy with the holiday. I doubt that my change in opinion would've made any affect on the lynchers' confidence in Gwath's guilt anyway. If I were the wolf, it would've been much easier for me to just continue to go with the flow about Gwath like everyone else. I hate to stick out like a sore thumb and I wouldn't do so unless I was being truly honest about my worries.