Werewolf LIII: The Republic

[A Little Green]

Hello Brinn my love!

If I were the wolf, it would've been much easier for me to just continue to go with the flow about Gwath like everyone else.I think your explanation sounds reasonable. Turning around that way doesn't strike me as something a wolf would do. Actually, your Legate 180 on Gwath is one of the reasons that speak for your innocence to me.

Now that you're here - any opinions on who we should lynch toDay? Obviously we won't lynch Runey or me since that could well result in a double lynch or else a half-suicide. Therefore it's either Lommy, Brinn, Ilya, Gil, Nerwen or Kath. I don't want to lynch Lommy or Gil as I'm inclined to think them innocent. I wouldn't want to lynch Nerwen without hard new evidence against her. That leaves Brinn, Ilya or Kath. But hey, I'm inclined to think all of you three innocent as well... :rolleyes: Why, oh why am I made rep on a Day like this?

[A Little Green]

Sorry for not posting or voting, but I have been in kind of the same situation as Lommy and Greenie and I attended what could be be described as an unofficial wake last night.I only just noticed this - sorry to hear that. Anyway seems like it's all clear, all who didn't vote have given explanations for it. My bad. :o

[A Little Green]

Two hours since I last was here, and no one has posted? We are getting either very lazy or very busy with RL. Gah. I'll go to sleep in a few hours and will have to vote before it. I really really need Runne to post some opinions before I vote, otherwise it will be either my vote alone deciding who dies or a double lynch which I think we can't afford at this stage. And I need some stuff from others too, of course. Where is everyone?

I think I'll go and see who Rune has suspected toDay and see if I agree with him on anything. We really have to reach a compromise, after all.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I am here now Greenie. . .I will make some posts shortly

[A Little Green]

I read through Rune's posts from toDay and yesterDay. It seems he has suspected no one toDay (please correct me if I'm wrong though, I'm still having fever and I'm afraid it affects my attentiveness). From what I gathered from my own thoughts about people as well as his posts yesterDay, the list looks something like this:

Brinn - Along with Gwathy the one Rune voiced suspicion of yesterDay. To me she's a total questionmark.
Gil - Lynching him would be a total waste of lynch, honestly.
Greenie - Obviously not a good idea since I'm the other one of the two reps.
Ilya - To me she's a very big questionmark, but Rune thought her innocentish yesterDay so I don't think he'd like to lynch her.
Kath - Rune seems to trust her, and I don't think her suspicious either.
Lommy - I'm quite convinced of her innocence, actually. Rune mentioned her briefly yesterDay in a sentence like "there is also Lommy and Greenie", but didn't carry on the subject. I don't want to lynch her.
Nerwen - I find her quite innocentish at the moment. I have no clear idea about Rune's opinion on her.
Rune - Another obvious no, since he's a rep - and also since I trust him at the moment.

Hmmm. If Rune's suspicions haven't changed, it would point to Brinn toDay as it's nearest to a compromise we can reach. I'm not entirely sure I'd be content with lynching Brinn toDay, but looking at Rune's suspicions from yesterDay compared to my own it seems the best option right now.

I recall Rune said he'll return late in the evening. I hope that means soon.


EDIT: x-ed with Runne!! Great!

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I think we shouldn't make too much out of the lack of a kill. It could mean basically anything and we are just going to distract ourselves if we concentrate on it.

Ever since I first read this I have been speculating about it and as usual I am torn. There is obvious plenty of ways to interpritate the lack of a kill and thus it could end up confusing us, but I am also reluctant to disregard facts that could lead us to a wolf.

Hurrah, someone's actually posted since me...

Considering the time difference, I'm going to guess that Rune and Kath are most likely not going to show up to vote for a rep. Does anyone else find it strange that they both showed up to post, yet did not vote? It just makes me uneasy when players don't vote so late in the game. When there are less players, it becomes even more critical to vote to keep the game balanced. Because the less votes, the less reps.

Anyways, I'm 99.9% sure Gil won't show up either so it looks like Ilya and Nerwen may be the final voters. Is that so suspicous. . .would it not make one stand out like a sore thumb?

I made a turnaround on him because after reading through the Day and re-evaluating the situation, I began to have second thoughts. If I could've come in and said something in the earlier second half of the Day before the votes came in, I would've, but I was busy with the holiday. I doubt that my change in opinion would've made any affect on the lynchers' confidence in Gwath's guilt anyway. If I were the wolf, it would've been much easier for me to just continue to go with the flow about Gwath like everyone else. I hate to stick out like a sore thumb and I wouldn't do so unless I was being truly honest about my worries.

And as we can see sore thumbs are innocent. . .

Anyways, it annoys me that you made that turn around, because it means that two players have done so in very short time and thus I cannot use it as argument to suspect them. (Lommy also turned in her view of Gwath)

EDIT: Cross Posted with Greenie

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Now that you're here - any opinions on who we should lynch toDay? Obviously we won't lynch Runey or me since that could well result in a double lynch or else a half-suicide. Therefore it's either Lommy, Brinn, Ilya, Gil, Nerwen or Kath. I don't want to lynch Lommy or Gil as I'm inclined to think them innocent. I wouldn't want to lynch Nerwen without hard new evidence against her. That leaves Brinn, Ilya or Kath. But hey, I'm inclined to think all of you three innocent as well... :rolleyes: Why, oh why am I made rep on a Day like this?

It is difficult, because the goal is to find the last wolf and so basicly one should follow ones own suspicions. . . especially if you suspect the other representative of being a wolf.
So should we go for a compromise. . .or would we rather win or loose on our own.

Of Brinn, Ilya and Kath I would probably vote Brinn, even though I am not sure about Ilya. . .I need a bit of time to consider it.

I have been thinking that often when wolves are spotted, it is because they act differently than normal or if they do something they also did the last time they where wolves. I my self saw that in Nogrod, and I have been thinking about going back and taking another look at Sally's case against Nerwen.

[Brinniel]

Hmmm. If Rune's suspicions haven't changed, it would point to Brinn toDay as it's nearest to a compromise we can reach.
Sadly, I have to agree as it seems no matter what I do Rune will never cease to suspect. It seems he's always determined to get me lynched. I could try to defend myself, but I no longer see the point. Nor do I have the time since I have class in five minutes. :(

Anyways, go ahead and lynch me if you want but all you'll find out is that I'm innocent. If you do choose to lynch me, we'll give the wolf more time to hide but at least there'll still be toMorrow. And even if I'm dead meat, I'll try to help give opinions to find the wolf when I return from class.

[Thinlómien]

Hi, I'm back here but I'm sharing the computer with Greenie so I can't flood-post...

She took some of it back, but I still don't understand how she came to those conclusions in the first place.Well they kind of made sense and besides, at that point narrowing the suspicion list rather carelessly seemed smart to me. Not just anymore.

Can you explain why you suspect me the most?No, it's just a general feeling thing. *shrugs* I know it's a very bad basis for suspicions and I really hate it that I haven't had time to reread, think or post today (*grumblegrumble* I would have had time to post on the weekend but there was some silly Thanksgiving pause *grumblegrumble*).

I think your explanation sounds reasonable. Turning around that way doesn't strike me as something a wolf would do. Actually, your Legate 180 on Gwath is one of the reasons that speak for your innocence to me.Why does that indicate innocence? Wouldn't it be craftier for a wolf not to be there demanding the death of an innocent in the last hours? Or at least behaviour like that hardly points at anyone's innocence.

But gah, now I have a bad feeling about lynching Brinn. I have a feeling like there is no wolf at all in this game... :( Well, as selfish as it sounds, I'm glad I don't have to vote toDay...

I promise you one thing now. If I'm still alive toMorrow, I will really put some more effort on this game. I should have more time then.


edit: xed with Brinn

[Thinlómien]

Okay now I'm having an even more worse feeling about lynching Brinn but she could just be a bluffing wolf.... aieeeeeeeeee.

And also, I noticed I said in my post that I will post more toMorrow - which maybe tells everything sufficient. I'm not even considering the chance that we might get a wolf toDay. :rolleyes:

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Sally explained her distrust to Nerwen in post 1609 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=575324&postcount=1609)and 1616 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=575333&postcount=1616).

Basicly she starts suspecting Nerwen because she belives that Wolf-Nerwen wold make a kill like McCaber, the rest was based on Nerwen's case against her.

I do see how Nerwen' case could seem like a wolf twisting things and pulling strings to get a person lynched, but it is always hard to determin. . . anyways I think we should at least consider Nerwen as a suspect.

[Thinlómien]

Now, I'm sorry Brinn (and others) but I just had one more look at Brinn's famous quotes, because I have very limited time and I wanted to reread some old stuff so that was the only option...

I think Ilya actually might be our last wolf. Nogrod gives her his rep vote so conveniently on Day1 and also a lists a too long list of reasons why he votes her... as if he had to have an excuse.

Btw. the reason I'm getting an innocent feel from both Di and Rune is their apparent eagerness to make it to be a representative.If Rune was his fellow, this would be a very nice way of promoting his innocence...


Greenie - the sneaky one, my daughter... I never figure her out and thence am afraid everytimeAnd this makes me think Greenie is innocent. It's just a gut-feeling that he wouldn't phrase it so about a fellow wolf... I didn't mention it before, but this was actually the quote of Nogrod's that struck me as the most suspicious of all. I just didn't say it aloud because my suspicion of it seemed so irrational. :D

Ka wavering between making me or Nerwen a rep on Day2 makes me think Nerwie might be innocent. Why declare such trust in a fellow but still not vote them? Sounds a bit weird to me...

Also, if Nog and Kath were fellows, I doubt they would have made such an issue of Kath's trust in him... but I could be wrong here. But there's some other rather fishy stuff going on between the two of them... hmmm.

And now I'm getting really far-fetched ideas too, like morm trying to prepare to play the seer by starting to suspect a fellow Nerwen suddenly after Night2...

But I think the last wolf is either Ilya or Kath.


edit: xed with Rune

[Thinlómien]

Basicly she starts suspecting Nerwen because she belives that Wolf-Nerwen wold make a kill like McCaber, the rest was based on Nerwen's case against her.I don't think those are valid reasons - the wolf has absolutely no need to be aggressive at this point, s/he'll rather lay low, mark my words, as it makes no difference to him/her who's lynched as long as it's not him/herself.

And as for the McCaber kill - it's explained as I know Nog was a wolf. I'm 90% sure it was his idea.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I don't think those are valid reasons - the wolf has absolutely no need to be aggressive at this point, s/he'll rather lay low, mark my words, as it makes no difference to him/her who's lynched as long as it's not him/herself.

And as for the McCaber kill - it's explained as I know Nog was a wolf. I'm 90% sure it was his idea.

Then there can be no wolf, I belive that everybody left have been agressive at one point or another and the only one who truly lay low turned out to be an ordo.

Sally's triple lynch idea might have been slightly odd, but that it should be ment to derail the dubble lynch. . . . well I don't see it.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Lommy mentions Ilya as the last wolf. . .

The problem I have with voting Ilya is that my reasons to suspect her, is her laying low as she has done in parts of the game, but that was the exact same reasoning that lay behind Gwath's lynching.

oh by the way, I will not vote for Kath! I have "trusted" her for so long and not seen much that incriminates her, if I was to vote for her now it would just be too self-contradicting.

[A Little Green]

Argh. The thing is, it's past midnight here and I have school tomorrow in case I'm well enough to go there... Anyway I'm torn about who to vote and wouldn't want to decide yet. I'm maybe most worried about Ilya. Brinn's reaction to my conclusion that she might be the good compromise seemed genuine to me, but then, a wolf-Brinn could certainly pull off something of that sort. Gah.

Rune, who would you lynch if it was up to you alone and you didn't have to listen to me at all?


EDIT: x-ed with Runne

[A Little Green]

oh by the way, I will not vote for Kath!That's fine with me, I don't want to vote her either. Nor Lommy or Gil or Nerwen, for that matter. Unless of course someone brings up some really hard evidence against one of them, but with this level of activity I consider that quite improbable. :D

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Argh. The thing is, it's past midnight here and I have school tomorrow in case I'm well enough to go there... Anyway I'm torn about who to vote and wouldn't want to decide yet. I'm maybe most worried about Ilya. Brinn's reaction to my conclusion that she might be the good compromise seemed genuine to me, but then, a wolf-Brinn could certainly pull off something of that sort. Gah.

Rune, who would you lynch if it was up to you alone and you didn't have to listen to me at all?


EDIT: x-ed with Runne

I hated when people do that "don't lynch me, I am an ordo" because I always want to belive them, but wolves also do it. I think one has to disregard it all together, otherwise we will never get anybody lynched.

Who would I vote for. . . I am not sure and I would wish you could stay around longer so that we could talk some more.

Brinn: I have been suspecting her for quite a while now, but her turn on Gwath seemed genuin and also reflected thoughts that I my self where battling with. . . It is not enough for me to belive her innocent though.

Ilya: She could be a classic lay low wolf, but she has also seemed reasonable many times and I am quite torn. She is a possible lynch. . . I don't know, I have been thinking about it all day and come up with nothing.

Nerwen: I thought Sally's points were alright without being super convincing, but I do like the thing she said about the McCaber-kill. Lommy however pointed out that Nogrod probably also would have gone for McCaber, the question then remains: Could Nogrod have convinced Mormegil and Ka or did he need a like minded companion.
I constantly find my self flip-floping about Nerwen, first I suspected her, then I didn't and now I am suspecting her a bit again.

Greenie and Lommy: Whenever I start suspecting one of them the other will argue her innocens and I will doubt my suspicions.

Kath: She is the same wether she is a wolf or an ordo, but I just feel good about her in this game.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

If we are to make a single kill we are left with the options: Brinn and Ilya had this been yesterday I would have voted Brinn without a second thought, but today I am not so sure.

If I was to ensure a dubble lynch would surely be hated for it and maybe even lynched the following day, unless of course I got the wolf. Many belive that dubble lynches should only be used in case of known wolves and I can understand that, I am not as uncomfortable with it however. At least that way I would know that one of the kills would be decided by an ordo.

Even though I feel kind of good when I stand all alone, I think we should go for a single lynch. For the simple reason that it is not a case of a compromise where we would have to vote for a person we did not suspect.

(if you had said you would vote Kath no matter what, then I would have made sure it would become a dubble lynch)

So Brinn or Ilya?

[A Little Green]

I hated when people do that "don't lynch me, I am an ordo" because I always want to belive them, but wolves also do it. I think one has to disregard it all together, otherwise we will never get anybody lynched.

Who would I vote for. . . I am not sure and I would wish you could stay around longer so that we could talk some more.I agree with both of these. I can stay for a bit longer still, but certainly not more than an hour and preferably less.
Nerwen: I thought Sally's points were alright without being super convincing, but I do like the thing she said about the McCaber-kill. Lommy however pointed out that Nogrod probably also would have gone for McCaber, the question then remains: Could Nogrod have convinced Mormegil and Ka or did he need a like minded companion.
I constantly find my self flip-floping about Nerwen, first I suspected her, then I didn't and now I am suspecting her a bit again.I have several reasons to think Nerwen innocentish. First off there's the overall feeling of her posts, but I figure that's not much of a reasonable argument. Also her constant arguing with morm as well as the ranger confusion (though maybe we shouldn't read too much into it) make me inclined to believe her innocent.
As for the McCaber kill, I'm pretty sure Nog could have talked them over to it if it came to that and if the others weren't straight opposed to it or having much better ideas.

Looking at your suspicions and comparing them to mine it looks like we'll be lynching Brinn or Ilya. The question is which one will it be. I have quite a similar feeling about the two of them.

So - what shall we do?


EDIT: x-ed with Rune

[A Little Green]

Haha, seems like we're thinking along similar lines.. :D Well, I really don't know. Brinn seems both more suspicious and more innocent than Ilya, but the outcome is pretty much the same. I can't bring myself to decide between them. Argh remind me of never, ever becoming a politician in charge of things. This is horrible. :(

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Alright we will kill Ilya!

She is unknown to us and it does not look like we will get more of read on her, also this will mean that I will break the pattern of killing Brinn whenever I get the chance.

Also Lommy seems to think it is Ilya. . . (or Kath, which is not an option)

[A Little Green]

Alright we will kill Ilya!

She is unknown to us and it does not look like we will get more of read on her, also this will mean that I will break the pattern of killing Brinn whenever I get the chance.

Also Lommy seems to think it is Ilya. . . (or Kath, which is not an option)Okay fine. :) Now I can go to sleep.

++ lynch Ilya

Good night and Night sweeties.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

and now I vote for Brinn. . . nah I am just jesting.

++Ilya for lynching
Now if this is not right then the village really need to rethink almost everything, don't assume that people are ordos just because they did something that would normally not be wise for a wolf.

[Ilya]

Now if this is not right then the village really need to rethink almost everything, don't assume that people are ordos just because they did something that would normally not be wise for a wolf.

Rethink everything.

My parting advice: with a village this small, you guys, rethink how reps vote. You're small enough to have direct democracy and the rep just be the one who files the result. Think electoral college style, for us yanks. The more voices, the better. I would also, this is just my feeling, argue that this wolf isn't a submarine. The wolf is talking, guiding the discussion. Look at Lommy again. And Greenie. They're vocal but haven't really been scrutinized. Rune and Brinn I could go either way on. I'm inclined to think well of Kath and Nerwen.

For my own part, regret nothing. Have lived life, free from compromise... and step into the shadow now without complaint.

[Brinniel]

also this will mean that I will break the pattern of killing Brinn whenever I get the chance.
Oh my. Rune has just given me the shock of a lifetime. :eek:

My parting advice: with a village this small, you guys, rethink how reps vote. You're small enough to have direct democracy and the rep just be the one who files the result. Think electoral college style, for us yanks. The more voices, the better. I would also, this is just my feeling, argue that this wolf isn't a submarine. The wolf is talking, guiding the discussion.
This is actually some really good advice, and if the game continues toMorrow it's something we might want to consider. Because our numbers would only get smaller, which would equal less reps. Having one or two reps making the decision is potentially dangerous if a wolf is among them. If we have a toMorrow, perhaps we should consider trying a primary lynching vote...that way everyone will be forced to voice suspicions, not just the reps.

[Brinniel]

I'm not gonna bother attempting any long analysis because if Ilya is indeed the final wolf, it'll just be wasted time. But I'll still share some quick thoughts before deadline:

Gil-Galad: Hasn't shown up, therefore nothing new.

Greenie: Is a slippery one. I still can't get a good read on her and while part of me wants to trust her, I'm just not sure.

Lommy: Everyone seems to think her innocent, which worries me. While there's nothing about her that I find particularly suspicious, I can imagine a sneaky Lommy-wolf snickering in the background.

Kath: Is someone I could see as a possible wolf, but I'm not sure.

Nerwen: Hasn't shown up for the second half of the Day. She's still a question mark, yet her quietness does worry me.

Rune: I'm feeling a bit better about him. If he were the wolf, I think he would've gone ahead and chosen to lynch me. After all, a vote for me wouldn't exactly be suspicious coming from him since he does typically suspect me in every game.

Ilya: The one doomed to die. She was another I wasn't sure about. I like her style, though I found it a tad frustrating that she didn't provide a whole lot of substance. Yet, her parting post makes me think she might be innocent after all. The post sounds genuine and as I mentioned, she does give some good advice. 'Tis a shame though that it took her getting lynched to say it.

Hmm...while I'm doubtful of Ilya's guilt, I do hope she actually is the last wolf. Otherwise I'm afraid I'm gonna have to do a lot of research come toMorrow because I have no clue.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

BRINNIEL: Yes, of course! The Holy Hand Grenade of the Village! 'Tis one of the sacred relics Brother Rune carries with him! Brother Rune! Bring up the Holy Hand Grenade!

KATH: [chanting] Pie Iesu domine, dona eis requiem. Pie Iesu domine, dona eis requiem. Pie Iesu domine, dona eis requiem. Pie Iesu domine, dona eis requiem.

NERWEN: How does it, um-- how does it work?

LOMMY: I know not.

BRINNIEL: Consult the Book of Armaments!

RUNE: Armaments, Chapter Two, verses Nine to Twenty-one.

GREENIE: And the village raised the hand grenade up on high, saying,'O Fea, bless this thy hand grenade that with it we mayest blow our enemies – specifically Ilya – to tiny bits, in thy mercy.' And Fea did grin, and the people did feast upon the lambs and sloths and carp and anchovies and orangutans and breakfast cereals and fruit bats and large chu—

LOMMY: Skip a bit, Sister.

GREENIE: And Fea spake, saying, 'First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then, shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, nor either count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of the Village towards Ilya, who, being naughty in your sight, shall snuff it.'

GIL-GALAD: Amen.

---

Dead:

Fea
Mith
Rikae
Diamond18 (ordo)
Legate (ordo)
McCaber (ordo)
Eönwë/Steve (ordo)
Aganzir (ordo)
Ka (wolf)
Shasta (ordo)
Mormegil (wolf)
Nogrod (wolf)
Boromir88 (seer)
Sally (ordo)
the phantom (ordo)
Gwathagor (ordo)
Ilya (ordo)

Alive:

Brinniel
Gil-Galad
Greenie
Lommy
Kath
Nerwen
Rune

[Nerwen]

Sorry, I simply haven't been able to post all day.


So Ilya's got it. Well, yes, it could be her... still a half-random lynch, though... and though I suspected her earlier in the game, she's seemed fairly okay since then.

*sigh* The trouble is that we've all been too tied up with RL to play properly.

If it's not her, I suggest we take note of her parting words and have a look at the more influential players.

Lommy and Greenie both fit that bill and yet have managed to avoid suspicion... too much so? Hmmn.

And Kath... I'd been thinking she doesn't seem like a Kathwolf, but then I realised I've never played with one. I tend to assume she's innocent, but that's probably not a good thing.

Rune– well, he's another I've been thinking of him as innocent, mainly because it seems to me that a wolf wouldn't have made his ties to morm so obvious... but again that may not be a safe assumption.

Brinniel –well, yes, she's helped build up suspicion on people who turned out innocent, stuff like that... but I don't see her "turnaround" on Gwath as suspicious. It's what I was thinking as I read through yesterDay.

Gil –at least two people have said they don't feel as if there IS a wolf in the game. Maybe he's the reason. We're just assuming Fea wouldn't do that to us.

So yeah, you're all wolves.:rolleyes:

EDIT: X'd with Fea. Sorry, O Moddess. I thought I had more time.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Oh Rune, Wolf saw you standin' alone
Without a dream in your heart, without a hope of your own
Oh Rune, you knew just what Wolf was there for
Wolf heard you sayin' a prayer for
Someone you really could care for

And then Wolf suddenly appeared before you
And your courage could not hold
Wolf heard you whisper "please don’t gore me"
And when I looked, the moon had turned to gold

Oh Rune, now you’re no longer alone
Without a dream in your heart
Rune you’re as dead as a stone

And then Wolf suddenly appeared before you
And your courage could not hold
Wolf heard you whisper "please don’t gore me"
And when I looked, the moon had turned to gold

Oh Rune, now you’re no longer alone
Without a dream in your heart
Rune you’re as dead as a stone

Oh Rune, now you’re no longer alone
Without a dream in your heart
Rune you’re as dead as a stone



---

Dead:

Fea
Mith
Rikae
Diamond18 (ordo)
Legate (ordo)
McCaber (ordo)
Eönwë/Steve (ordo)
Aganzir (ordo)
Ka (wolf)
Shasta (ordo)
Mormegil (wolf)
Nogrod (wolf)
Boromir88 (seer)
Sally (ordo)
the phantom (ordo)
Gwathagor (ordo)
Ilya (ordo)
Rune (ordo)

Alive:

Brinniel
Gil-Galad
Greenie
Lommy
Kath
Nerwen

[Thinlómien]

This village really drives me crazy... I'm so clueless. And to be honest, I never expected this game to take so long and I feel like I'm having so much stuff to do that I don't have time to dedicate myself to this game properly... Ouch.

On the bright side, there's only five of us (and Gil) left, which means one might actually have time to read the fellow players' posts.

By the way, we should think about our rep-voting. Gil being rather absent, we can only have two reps and if two people fail to vote (like yesterDay), we'll only have one rep. So it is extra important that people argue with reps and give them ideas and share their suspicions, otherwise we're slipping into oligarchy and likewise some people don't have to share their opinions.

Well, that's all for now, I guess. I can't even name a main suspect because I have none.

[Thinlómien]

Aiee I just realised something.

ToDay there's 5 + Gil.
If we lynch an innocent, there's 3+Gil toMorrow.
Since Gil won't be around, the wolf may hog her rep vote and there will be no rep, no lynch and that's it. :eek:

So unless the Moddesses wish to grant us a rule that everybody has to vote for a rep (on the final Day at least), we're dead if we don't catch the wolf toDay.

Not very nice, isn't it?

And just to add to the depressiveness (is that too strong a word? :D) of it, toDay is very unlike a normal decisive Day, because on most decisive Days there are just two or three options of who might be the last wolf, but toDay every innocent has four options to choose from and thus smaller chance of getting it right.

(I know I'm talking of Gil as if he was innocent, but I think we should take it for granted, it's not really our loss if he's the last wolf and eats us, we could never have caught him.)

If toDay is the final Day, I suggest we make a double-lynch. We won't lose anything by that, we just double our chances of winning. Sounds too good to be true actually.... :rolleyes: So if there's a hole in my plot, please point it out.

[Thinlómien]

Everybody has been very quiet in the last couple of Days.

ToDay I posted 6½ hours after the deadline and was the first to say anything.

Is everybody just incredibly busy or is somebody laying low intentionally?

[Nerwen]

Everybody has been very quiet in the last couple of Days.

ToDay I posted 6½ hours after the deadline and was the first to say anything.

Is everybody just incredibly busy or is somebody laying low intentionally?

Only recently... that is, I've been too busy to post most of the day, and lately I've been waiting to see if anyone else would say anything.

[Thinlómien]

And no one has anything to say? Nerwen?

[Thinlómien]

I wish I had so much time that I could go through everybody's rep votes... I think that'd reveal something: I doubt the wolves voted people who were strongly after their fellows to be reps...

[Mithalwen]

I am sorry I haven't been around as a meddling moddess recently - my father is in hospital and so domestic matters have dominated.

No one contacted me when I asked before about Gil-Galad and I don't think any of the others were either. You are all still free to contact the moddesses with your opinions though there is of course no guaruntee that they will be acted upon at this late stage.

[Thinlómien]

I just realised this... Kath, would you like to be a representative?

I'll be a Rep if you like Nogbod, though being in England and the deadline being at 4am my time and my bedtime currently being, ooh, half 11 ... well, just so you're aware of how early that vote would have to be. It would be interesting though. The reason I'm so quiet so often is simply that I'm overwhelmed by the post count, with fewer people it might make me speak more!

Is this wolf dialogue? My immediate reaction was "no" but now I'm actually wondering... They'd be rather sneaky...

Kath - Speaks how enthusiastic about this game she is and that's it. No posts after that. Laying low or just busy? Fits the general "Kath on Day1" scheme though... a bit too well - and that's why I'd like to see her as a representative toMorrow even if she might vote for me just out of the annoyance... :)That smiley there... I might be making too much out of it, but I don't think a wolf would need to address a fellow that way... looks more like trying to be nice to an innocent.

Nerwen - Only one post but offers an idea: either Shasta is in cahoots with tp or then Brinn as they are so extremely friendly - and no one would believe the wolves would be that obvious. A fair point looking at the time of the posting showing she's up to this game - even if I'd wish to see her post more. But I surely do wish to see her more so not someone I'd wish to see lynched toDay.This, on the other hand, makes me raise my eyebrows. Nerwen's words were more of a joke, I think. So is he trying to show her in good light, or is he just buddying up an innocent once again?

As a note for myself, I'm on page 13 in my reread. As a note for you, currently think the last wolf is either Brinn or Nerwen.

[Brinniel]

It'd be nice to have a primary lynching vote and vote for a rep/reps (depending on whether we want a double lynch or not) to represent the majority vote. But the flaw in this plan is that if a wolf is a rep and this is indeed the decisive Day, then that wolf could vote for whoever they want and get away with it. I was thinking yesterDay this was a nice idea, but toDay not so much... :(

What would help is if everyone could participate as much as possible. Actually make substantial posts and do some research. I guess we can't expect that from Gil, but everyone else should. And for goodness gracious, don't forget to vote toDay.

I have classes most of the day, so I can't exactly post much substance now. But I promise to in the evening. I feel bad about that since most of you will have voted and been off to bed by then, but it can't be helped. Stupid time zones. Bah, I guess this is yet another reason why I should get my butt back to Europe. :rolleyes:

[Nerwen]

Hello, all. Maybe I'm being silly, but what if it is Gil?

[Kath]

My opinion is that if it IS Gil and technically he wins we take it as a village win anyway. If a wolf wins by NOT being in the game, by not getting caught because he hasn't said anything to be caught by, well, what kind of a win is that?

I never contacted you Mith because I see no reason to remove Gil from the game. If he is innocent it adds interest, as like Lommy mentioned above we have to think very hard about how to vote when we think he's not going to be there to do anything. If he is a wolf then what I said above goes for me.

Lommy ... I'm not convinced about a double lynch, especially because our last wolf may end up being Rep.

I need to go finish an RPG post (I'm getting there Lommy!) and then I'll be back. :)

[A Little Green]

Hello, all. Maybe I'm being silly, but what if it is Gil?I think it was Kath who pointed out earlier that if he's not around by Day he probably wouldn't be around to kill at Night either. Or if he is, he must be the most annoying person I've ever met.

Anyway, about toDay then - I'm going to make a list shortly (I originally wrote "make a lost" - describes my situation quite well, actually... :rolleyes:). And yes, I agree that people need to contribute, not only by making research but also by discussing with one another, asking and suspecting and questioning things.

Is there anyone here?

[A Little Green]

So, shutting out darling Gil, the last wolf is one of the following ladies.

Brinn - I guess it's her. Not because she looks overly suspicious, but because I feel everyone else more innocent than her. I'll check some posts of hers if I have the time.
Kath - She's a possibility as well, but feels more innocent than Brinn. I think she makes some points a wolf wouldn't come up with, if you know what I mean.
Lommy - She's the only one I really have a read on, and that read says she's innocent. (It would be just my luck if she was the wolf, though...:D)
Nerwen - I feel pretty good about her at the moment. She can certainly be a sneaky wolf, but she doesn't feel at all evil right now.

Looking at this, I'd like to see Lommy as rep. How about you others? We have to discuss the rep-voting beforehand if only we can, since us being so few it's vital we know how to vote in order to get more than one rep.

[Kath]

Hello again! RPG post done. :)

I've got to say I agree with Greenie. About most of what she said actually. Brinn still looks the most suspicious to me, followed by Nerwen. Lommy and Greenie seem more innocent but I'm still having trouble getting a read on anyone really.

I do think we need more than one Rep. I have written VOTE on my bedside table so I can't forget today! Given that her views echo my own I would want Greenie as Rep toDay I think whoever else is.

[A Little Green]

Ah, I see Kath agrees with me. Nice. :D I'll have to see who the other two suspect before deciding upon who to vote for rep. At this point it might be either Lommy (since she seems the most innocent one) or Kath (since she'd be likely to lynch the one I find most suspicious).

[A Little Green]

Gah now if this isn't about the most quiet Day in WW history. Is there anyone around I could talk to? If not, I'll either take a look at Brinn or go and do some homework.

[Kath]

Well I'm around Greenie - I just feel a bit defeated! Everyone I've thought was suspicious, they've been ordos. People I've pretty much been ok with, they've been wolves. My wolf radar seems to worse than it's ever been and I'm just having a bit of a pity party over here and can't think of what to do.

So .... I'm here, but you might want to ignore me currently!

[Brinniel]

Gah, I'm so frustrated that every thinks me suspicious just because they are so sure everyone else looks innocent. And the only one I can see doing any research is Lommy. You guys, we aren't gonna catch the wolf if we just go off suspicions based on feeling at this late stage in the game. :(

I'm running late for class, but I'll be back tonight. I think it was Rune who said we need to rethink everything...obviously whoever this wolf is, they are really good at hiding. I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be someone who we least suspect. Which is why I want to do some research once I get the chance.

[A Little Green]

Everyone I've thought was suspicious, they've been ordos. People I've pretty much been ok with, they've been wolves.Well that's something I can certainly relate to - being a person who voted a wolf for rep twice and has twice (or more? I no longer remember...) used her vote to lynch an innocent. :D

As for what Brinn said, yes, it's true we need to actually do something in order to get some satisfactory results. I'll look at your posts darling if I only have the time - right now I have some homework stuff to do and such. I'll be back when I'm done, though, and see if I still have time for some reading.

Or actually, now that I'm still here and someone else is as well, we might have some discussion - somehow I've always preferred talking with people to commenting stuff they have written hours ago. So, Kath, why do you find Brinn suspicious? I'm interested.

[Nerwen]

Ah, I see Kath agrees with me. Nice. :D I'll have to see who the other two suspect before deciding upon who to vote for rep. At this point it might be either Lommy (since she seems the most innocent one) or Kath (since she'd be likely to lynch the one I find most suspicious).

I'd prefer voting for Lommy, myself.

Hello again! RPG post done. :)

I've got to say I agree with Greenie. About most of what she said actually. Brinn still looks the most suspicious to me, followed by Nerwen.

Eh! Care to explain?

I'm running late for class, but I'll be back tonight. I think it was Rune who said we need to rethink everything...obviously whoever this wolf is, they are really good at hiding.

You see? Gil.

I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be someone who we least suspect.

"Someone?" What do you mean, "someone?" That's a nice, short list: either Lommy or Greenie. (Or perhaps the aforesaid Invisible Gil.)

EDIT" X'd with Greenie.

[A Little Green]

Nerwen my love! Nice to see you around, we begin to be quite many here... How about you, who do you think is the last wolf and who is not?

[Kath]

Here is a thought - let's lynch Gil. None of us can fully decide whether each other is actually suspicious - perhaps that is because none of us is. I know I just said that if Gil is the wolf then leave him to it but maybe that's stupid. If he is the wolf we're just going to keep killing each other off for no reason for another couple of Days.

Someone who is good at numbers - could we get away with potentially wasting a Day lynching Gil or is it too late for that now?

[Thinlómien]

Lommy ... I'm not convinced about a double lynch, especially because our last wolf may end up being Rep.And what if she does? She can do nothing horrible, at most turn it to a single lynch, which is exactly the same thing as if we chose to make a single lynch in the first place. I can't see any profit for the wolf to vote anyone else except the planned target because she has no remaining fellows to protect and she probably doesn't car which ordo dies.

But we can think about that when we've chosen our reps. Personally, I feel like voting Kath or Greenie, since I trust them the most, but I'm far from sure... And I doubt I have time to reread more before I make my rep vote... *add a smiley that is something between :eek: and :rolleyes: here*

edit: xed with Kath

[Thinlómien]

Hmmm... There's now 5+Gil. If we lynch him and he's innocent, we have 4 of us toMorrow and it's the final Day - and the wolf can't win by hogging her vote! Hey, great. :D I say let's do that.

[Kath]

Hmm, been having a rethink about that double lynch anyway actually Lommy.

Say Greenie and I did become Reps and lynched, for example, you and Brinn. If neither of you turn out to be wolves then me, Greenie, Nerwen and Gil are left. One person will die toNight. Let's say that's Greenie. That leaves me, Nerwen and Gil. Based on the idea that I'm an innocent one of those two is a wolf. If it's Nerwen she's presumably going to either not vote or vote Gil. If I then either don't vote or vote Gil and he doesn't vote at all ... what happens? Do we just have no lynch? But this is why I'm thinking lynch Gil toDay because then you're not going to end up in that situation.

That last bit is really a question for the mods I think and I think the answer might help us a bit with deciding what to do.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

That last bit is really a question for the mods I think and I think the answer might help us a bit with deciding what to do.

In the event that three villagers remain and no Representative is chosen, no lynch vote can be made.

Once Night falls following the lack of lynching, the final wolf would kill a villager, making the numbers even, and the wolf would win.

[A Little Green]

I'll be voting for a rep soon (I'm off to bed soon, hooray!) and don't yet know between Kath and Lommy. Others? Who would you like to see as reps? I'd like to know, in order to ensure that we get two reps since only one rep would be scary.

[Thinlómien]

Well, if you ask my straightforward opinion, I think the reps should be me and Kath. Me, because I know I'm innocent and Kath because she's the one I'm most comfortable with - after that Gil idea I trust her more than I trust Greenie, whom I trust the second most.

[A Little Green]

Thanks Lommy - except that your opinion really doesn't help me at all since you and Kath are the ones I'm considering. I'd need the opinions of Nerwen and Brinn in order to decide - wait - Nerwen did say she'd prefer Lommy over Kath. On the other hand, Lommy seems like voting Kath... Hmmm.

[A Little Green]

Okay, now I'll leave the computer to Lommy and vote

++ Kath for rep

Because I'm playing it safe now, unless Lommy is a very unreasonable creature and votes someone else than Kath. Good night and see you tomorrow. :)

[Thinlómien]

I'm 99% probably going to vote Kath but I'm just thinking... is there really no one around?

I don't feel like going yet (although I should, I have an early morning and it's soon half past 11 here) and I'd hate to go after this little discussion... :(

Hey, everybody, what do you think of lynching Gil, btw?

And if we choose to lynch him, we should definitely not laze around toDay because we're really all so (seemingly) clueless...

[Nerwen]

Well, then–

++Lommy for rep.


EDIT: added "for rep".

[Nerwen]

Sorry, but I do have to go again. I'll be back in a few hours.

[Nerwen]

Re: the Gil plan– looks okay to me now, but I'm very tired right now.

[Thinlómien]

Re: the Gil plan– looks okay to me now, but I'm very tired right now.Okay, I hope to see more of your thoughts when I return here tomorrow (RL) then... :)

[Thinlómien]

I wonder what to make of Nerwen's toying with the idea of being a wolf... like that fake confession and saying "on the other paw" etc.

I don't like her continuous trust in me. Because, I think she knows it's easy to make me less wary by showing trust in me and that's exactly what she's been doing for a couple of Days now.

I'm debating whether her and morm's fight looks staged.

I've actually got a funny feeling that the wolf is Nerwen, after all. Really, she's just way too sneaky. *hats off*

And I'm saying this now already because I'm afraid I'll forget. Everybody, remember to vote against a filibuster toMorrow. That way the wolf shouldn't be able to screw it up (and it's all for us to screw up ;)).

For my further information, my reread is currently on page 21.

[Thinlómien]

++Kath for rep

[Kath]

Right then, to make it two Reps I guess I need to vote:

++LOMMY for Rep

I have to say that I won't be back until about 6pm my time tomorrow due to school activities but once back I will be around pretty much continuously.

If anyone has opinions on the lynch Gil or double lynch ideas or has any other theories/suggestions please put them forward. It's prompting conversation which is fantastic.

[Brinniel]

I think lynching Gil is the smartest thing we can do right now. I don't think he's the wolf, but since I don't think there's any chance he'll be eliminated at Night, this is the only way to know for sure. And like Lommy said, by lynching Gil we will have all players participating so that there should definitely be a rep toMorrow. This will give us an extra Day to figure things out, which is something we definitely need.

Hmm...so Kath is already a rep. If we all agree to lynch Gil, then we don't need any more than one rep, do we? I mean, I think it's better to have less reps. Because the fewer players doing the actual lynching, the less likely it'll be that a wolf is involved to screw things up.

EDIT: X-ed with Kath. Never mind then.

[Brinniel]

If anyone has opinions on the lynch Gil or double lynch ideas or has any other theories/suggestions please put them forward. It's prompting conversation which is fantastic.
I've never been fond of double lynches (unless a known wolf is involved) because it's too risky, especially at this late stage. If our two lynchees turn out innocent, then the wolf wins the game.

[Brinniel]

I almost took back what I said about the number of reps, thinking that if we agreed on lynching Gil, one of the reps would definitely vote for him and if the other was the wolf and didn't vote him making a double lynch instead, we'd find her out and be able to lynch her with three left toMorrow. But then I remembered that we have to vote for reps first and with only three left, no rep would be voted in. So I don't take back what I said after all.

Please correct me if I'm at all wrong. I'm thinking in numbers and it's confusing me.

Perhaps I should make a third vote for someone in order to eliminate the possibility of a double lynch. But if one of our reps is the wolf, what if I end up giving the wolf more voting power? Then we're still headed for trouble.

This is all giving me a headache. I need to go away for a little while and think.

[Brinniel]

Meh, it looks like I'll be talking to myself for the rest of tonight. A pity, as I'd like someone to actually converse with..

I've been doing some research...I'll be posting more shortly.

[Brinniel]

I need to pause from my research because it's almost deadline and I haven't made a decision yet.

If I give one of the reps a third vote, it'd be for Lommy. Actually both reps don't look very suspicious, but taking an even closer look I feel most confident of Lommy's innocence.

Let's see...if I were to vote Lommy, here's what could happen:

1) no double lynch
2) she votes for Gil, which is something most people seem to agree on, and he gets lynched
3) she votes for someone else for some reason. If she's a wolf, the village is doomed. If she's innocent, there's a possibility she voted for the wolf, but we can't know for sure.

If I vote for someone else entirely and keep two equal reps:

1) possible double lynch
2) both reps agree to vote for Gil and he gets lynched
3) both reps agree to vote for someone else and they get lynched
4) they decide to take the risk and go for a double lynch
5) if one of them is a wolf and Gil is agreed to be killed, there's a good chance the wolf will turn it into a double lynch last minute dooming the village. In order to do this, the wolf rep would have to vote last.

Grr...I'm out of time. Are we actually even planning to lynch Gil? A lot of this is based on the idea that we are, but I don't know if anything has been officially agreed upon.

++Lommy for rep

I don't understand why everyone feels so much better about two reps...this seems more logical and less risky to me.

[Brinniel]

Gah, my internet flaked out on me for a good few minutes and now I'm late so I don't even know if my vote counts at all. :(

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I don't even know if my vote counts at all. :(

It does not.

[Brinniel]

Kath - she's not suspecting me! there must be something wrong in there... or then not; I'm slightly persuaded to wait and see

Kath I'm very unsure of as she seems to trust me somewhat (at least the last time she was around of which some time has really gone) and I find it slightly suspicious. Maybe I should just start to learn to be a bit more grown-up and stop suspecting her everytime (I quess this is the second time I'm saying this; now what does it tell? ). But she really should post more. I'm not inclined to suggest her lynching anyway, at this point at least.

Yes, yes, faint in shock at the thought of my trusting the ever-suspicious Nogbod, but I have actually come to terms with the fact that I think he's innocent. There are a few others I might have voted for. phantom is one (loving the tummy thing btw morm, it makes me laugh every time I see it!), Lommy is another. But toDay I'm going with Nog, I think it's good for me to get over this 'it's Nog! He must be evil' thing and this is as good a way as any.

This is indeed an interesting exchange between Noggie and Kath. If it's wolvish, it's a quite playful exchange...but I don't know how likely it is. If they are both wolves, it'd certainly be rather bold.

Well, yes Brinn I did disappear. The plan was laid out before me and I did my part of it. I figured if I hung around stuff like what has been happening would happen ... morm confessing and then taking it back, Nog coming up with theory after theory. I tend to read all of it, spend hours arguing with myself, and then going for the original plan anyway. I decided this time I was going to have an easier time of it and just miss out the middle section.
I still don't like her explanation for popping in to vote Day 4, then leaving again without further thought. Simply because it's so easy for a wolf to hide in that manner.

Gil-Galad - given our relatively good numbers at the moment I wonder whether it would be worth lynching him. Thing is I'm a bit torn. I wouldn't put it past Fea to make him a wolf and then sit back laughing maniacally as we give him the benefit of the doubt and lynch person after person with no result ... but then it's Fea and Fea loves an interesting game. Actually given that there WAS a kill last Night I'm thinking it's unlikely he is a wolf. If he isn't around even to make a silly post during the Day anywhere on the Downs he's unlikely to remember to make a kill.
I agree it's a good point she brings up that if Gil was the wolf, how likely would he actually kill someone at Night? If he is the wolf, it's certainly a frustrating and unfair strategy...only playing at Night.

Huh ... and having said that if Brinn continues to make those extremely long quote posts I'll put her on the likely to be a wolf list just for the principle of the thing!
I don't understand if this was a joke or a serious comment. But if it's the latter, I don't understand why this alone is enough to make me suspicious. Like it or not, I'm not the first innocent to make quote posts...and I did talk about doing it for the past Day so there shouldn't have been any surprise there.

Well - I mean I'm very happy to be a Rep just so long as those thinking of voting for me are aware that my vote will almost definitely go to Gwath. There's almost no chance of that changing. Just so you know.
For about two Days, Kath was quite persistent on Gwath. But would a wolf be so bold and forceful? I think it's more likely the wolf would've just gone along with the flow on suspicions.

Here is a thought - let's lynch Gil. None of us can fully decide whether each other is actually suspicious - perhaps that is because none of us is. I know I just said that if Gil is the wolf then leave him to it but maybe that's stupid. If he is the wolf we're just going to keep killing each other off for no reason for another couple of Days.
This comment seems pretty innocentish. I don't think a wolf would bring up the idea of lynching Gil...it's more strategic to keep him around until the end.

Right then, to make it two Reps I guess I need to vote:

++LOMMY for Rep
Again, I don't understand what the urgent need was for two reps. But she wasn't the only one who thought this, so I guess it's nothing particularly strange.

[Brinniel]

It does not.
Dang. Sorry guys, I wasn't expecting my internet to go all haywire on me. :(

Let's just hope neither of our reps are wolves.

[Brinniel]

Now, I will happily admit all the above goes for me. But as I'm not a wolf, I have to turn my glance elsewhere. Nogrod strikes me as a person who would suggest a kill like McC to his fellows.
I mentioned before I don't think a wolf would bring this up about her fellow, and I stick by it.

mormegil - I don't know, really, he just seems evil and I don't like some of his arguments or his behaviour late yeterDay.
Nogrod - he's too diplomatic, too smooth. It's his cardinal mistake as a wolf. And he would have killed McC. However, the consensus against him makes me think him more innocent (weirdly) and also, like I said, I don't think I want to see him go toDay.
The Ka - her posting style in this game is rather unsettling.
How likely would a wolf suspect all of her fellows this early in the game? Especially since none of them were heavily suspected at the time.

Funnily, I'm feeling good about morm and Nog. Probably because they share my doubts considering Boro and tp.
I doubt a wolf would be so obvious with a comment like this...and after she had already suspected them earlier in the game.

++THE Ka

That's the closest I can get to a reasonable vote toDay. She's a submarine the likes of which we can't really afford, and like I've said, she tnds to have more serious stuff to say when she's innocent.
Her vote for Ka does make me think her more innocentish.

If it's someone else, the wolves have made rather bold bluffs, as I believe I've found "factual" "evidence" pointing at the others' innocence.
I still don't like this statement and disagree with her "factual" evidence. But she did back away from it some, which makes me feel a bit better.

[Brinniel]

But the second vibe is that her pointing at Greenie looks like something I hadn't quite concentrated on myself. And I must admit I'm the worst person to look at her as her father I'm totally blind to her. But there's something in that kind of principled stance she has that makes me feel a bit insecure with her. It's like the most you get from her posts is that she is an individual who dares to attack guys like tp on style & stance issues. But she seems to be a bit careful with her opinions when it comes to actual suspicions making her a super-wolf when she is one. (Yeah, my problem with her is that I partly think that's the way sahe is and partly I think is she fooling me - and others - with exactly that)
This seems like a very careful, well-thought out statement about Greenie. Could be wolf-on-wolf.

Well I can't help but think that from a reasonable player such as Nog this really looks like a vague argument. Truly, that argument looks like grasping at straws more than anything else. (Or then it's just me when I really saw nothing at all suspicious about Leggie's SW jokes.) Anyhow, I don't know how would it serve a wolf-Nog to make such a vague case on Legate when he already had suspicions and voting candidates of his own. Perhaps if he wanted to give the other reps more fuel for lynching Legate without joining the bandwagon himself... But really, I'm not sure - otherwise Nog has looked quite innocent so I don't quite buy my own argument yet...

First of all, I think Nogrod's behaviour toDay has been quite odd. He seems somehow very aggressive (ahem - I mean, more than usual ) and seems to get heated very easily. The way he reacts to tp's and Boro's posts about him looks really like overreacting and playing the martyr to me. That over-confident "you say this about me, which I don't like, so you are either wolf or stupid: and because I know you can do better and are not stupid, it means you are a wolf!" -attitude doesn't sit right with me. Also, I still don't like his traditional "you know I'm not the kind of player who does that" -argument.
Hmm...there seemed to be a lot of suspicion of Nogrod on this Day, yet no one voted to lynch him. It's possible one of the Noggie suspectors was a fellow wolf. <-------------- I said this the first time I put up the quotes and I still agree with this possibility. Greenie could be a likely candidate because of the way she seems to carefully go about her suspicions of Nogrod. There's many more quotes from her about him that Day, but I'm just pointing a couple out.

Gwathagor - I wouldn't be surprised if he was the last wolf, though he isn't necessarily my top suspect. Does not seem innocentish but not especially wolvish either.
Could be a safe way to go about suspecting him.

Just by intuition I'd say Lommy and Rune at least are innocent.
This bothers me. At this late stage, you just can't go by intuition. There needs to be an actual argument supporting their innocence.

Brinn - I guess it's her. Not because she looks overly suspicious, but because I feel everyone else more innocent than her. I'll check some posts of hers if I have the time.
What irks me about this comment is not the fact that she suspects me, but because she figures I must be guilty because everyone else "feels" innocent.

As for what Brinn said, yes, it's true we need to actually do something in order to get some satisfactory results. I'll look at your posts darling if I only have the time - right now I have some homework stuff to do and such. I'll be back when I'm done, though, and see if I still have time for some reading.
This post makes me feel a little better. And I'll be more satisfied if she actually does an analysis of me.

[Brinniel]

I am not at all satisfied with Nerwen today and still will likely vote for her. Her tactics today indicate to me somebody who is trying to be very involved and helpful, but when I see so many quotes it seems that she is just making long posts to show how 'helpful' she is being...I don't buy it. I still think she played the ignorance card to help her buy immunity today which is working in most minds.

*sigh* You're so predictable, morm.

1. I did not "parrot" the phantom's comments on McCaber. I agreed with him.

2. I really did think there was a ranger. I'm in the middle of exams, and I ended up just skimming the rules– which are exceptionally long and complicated. I am quite insulted that you think I'd try an idiotic wolf-cub ploy like pretending not to know the rules.
Okay, about this exchange. morm goes so vehemently after Nerwen. At a time where she was at risk of getting lynched, I had my doubts that he would go after a fellow wolf like that. But now I'm beginning to think that anything is possible. For one thing, I think morm's suspicions of her began before she was heavily suspected. When others began to pickup suspicion too, he couldn't just drop it...or he'd look suspicious. Also, I think it's entirely possible that morm would be so bold. He seems like the type of wolf who would be willing to sacrifice a mate in order to look innocent.

But clearly it looks bad for Nerwen. She defends herself strongly (with bad reasons, look the first point above) not to get lynched but still tries to leave a considerate aftertaste to us others while preceeding to kill her at Night (point two), right? So Nerwolf thought that as Agan's case was so bad she could have been a seer? And therefore... end of story.
When Noggie also jumps on Nerwen the following Day, I sort of question her possible guilt...but then again, it's not entirely impossible for two wolves to suspect there packmate. Also, he doesn't pursue his suspicions of her all that much, so it could not necessarily mean anything.

I'd be very happy to run for office on a "lynch morm" ticket. Just for the good of the village, you understand.
I find that last sentence a bit weird, I don't know why.

Speaking for myself, I'd certainly not bluff like that. However, on principle, it doesn't prove I'm innocent either, or that Rune and Kath are. This time of year it's not unlikely that a wolf might have been too busy to read the rules and/or confer with packmates– that is, genuine confusion doesn't rule out guilt.
Wolf or not, I think she was genuinely frustrated at the idea that she would bluff in such a manner. But she does bring up a good point that a wolf could've just as easily made an error about the rules as an innocent would.

So she's dead. The question is, do I bring Gwath to a tie with her or not?
I don't like the fact that she even considers a double lynch, especially after she criticised Sally for wanting to do a triple lynch. But then, she doesn't go through with it, so I don't know if it actually means anything.

Sorry for lack of posting. I have been horribly busy... to busy to even send in my ki–

No! Curses! Condemned out of my own furry maw!

Okay, I know this was supposed to be a joke...but what was the point in it?

Maybe I'm being silly, but what if it is Gil?
She keeps bringing up the possibility of Gil's guilt, which I find rather odd since I doubt he'd play in such an unfair manner. But then again, maybe I'm the one who's wrong... :rolleyes:

[Brinniel]

Day 1 Rep Votes:

Unknowns-
Greenie: Brinn (2)
Lommy: Ilya
Kath: Lommy
Brinn: Aganzir
Nerwen: didn't vote

Wolves-
Ka: Boromir
morm: Nogrod
Nogrod: Ilya (2)

Day 1 Lynch Votes:

Unknowns-
Brinn: Legate (2)

Wolves-
Nogrod: Gwath

Day 2 Rep Votes:

Unknowns-
Lommy: Nerwen
Nerwen: Lommy
Greenie: morm
Kath: Boromir (2)
Brinn: Kath

Wolves-
morm: Aganzir
Ka: Lommy
Nogrod: Boromir (3)

Day 2 Lynch Votes:

Unknowns-
Kath: Eonwe
Lommy: Eonwe (2)
Nerwen: Eonwe (3)

Wolves-
morm: Nerwen

Day 3 Rep Votes:

Unknowns-
Greenie: morm
Lommy: Shasta
Kath: Nogrod
Brinn: Shasta (2)
Nerwen: Kath (2)

Wolves-
morm: Lommy
Nogrod: Kath
Ka: Greenie

Day 3 Lynch Votes:

Unknowns-
Greenie: the phantom
Kath: Sally
Lommy: Ka

Wolves-
Nogrod: the phantom
morm: Boromir

(the following Day 4 is not very relevant since there were two known wolves and these votes will probably tell us nothing)

Day 4 Rep Votes:

Nerwen: Sally
Kath: Nerwen
Lommy: phantom
Greenie: phantom
Brinn: Boromir

Day 4 Lynch Votes:

Nerwen: morm

Day 5 Rep Votes:

Lommy: Nerwen
Greenie: Kath
Kath: Lommy
Nerwen: Lommy (2)
Brinn: Nerwen (2)

Day 5 Lynch Votes:

Greenie: Sally
Kath: Gwath
Lommy: Sally (2)
Nerwen: Sally (3)

Day 6 Rep Votes:

Greenie: Lommy
Lommy: Kath
Kath: Lommy (2)
Nerwen: Rune
Brinn: Kath (2)

Day 6 Lynch Votes:

Lommy: Gwath
Kath: Gwath (3)

Day 7 Rep Votes:

Greenie: Rune
Lommy: Rune (2)
Brinn: Greenie
Nerwen: Lommy
Kath: didn't vote

Day 7 Lynch Votes:

Greenie: Ilya

Day 8 Rep Votes:

Greenie: Kath
Nerwen: Lommy
Lommy: Kath
Kath: Lommy

-------------------------------------

Known Wolf-on-Wolf rep votes:
morm on Nogrod

Known Wolf-on-Wolf lynch votes:
none

Possible Wolf-on-Wolf rep votes:
Greenie on morm (twice)
Ka on Lommy
Kath on Nogrod
morm on Lommy
Nogrod on Kath
Ka on Greenie

Possible Wolf-on-Wolf lynch votes:
morm on Nerwen

Thoughts:
The question is, how likely is a wolf to vote a fellow as a rep. It happened before, so it's certainly possible. Though I doubt a wolf would be very obvious in their trust in someone. Both morm and Ka voted Lommy...I don't know if two wolves would so openly show such trust in a fellow wolf, which makes me think her more likely innocent. Greenie voted morm twice. It's still possible it was a wolf-on-wolf vote, but then again it'd be awful bold of her. As I stated before about morm's vote to lynch Nerwen, I think at this point it can't really say much to whether she's innocent or not.

In Conclusion:

The following is a suspicion list in order starting from most to least suspicious (I'm not gonna even bother including Gil anymore...with no substance to even analyse him with, I can't see the point).

1) Nerwen
2) Greenie
3) Kath
4) Lommy

[Brinniel]

Wow, that was a lot of flood posting. Though I don't think it would feel like so much if I weren't the only one around. And honestly, I don't see anything wrong with flood posting since we need as much substance as we can get. So I hope to see the same from the rest of you.

That's all from me for tonight. I don't know how much you'll hear from me for the first half of tomorrow since I have class and an audio project to work on. But I'll probably pop in here and there; just don't expect a lot of substance from me. That's why I got it all done toNight when I actually had time.

[Thinlómien]

Wow, Brinn, and thank you. :) Now we surely have something to think and talk about.

Furthermore, Brinn's thoughts on the lynch make me feel she's innocent. She's also putting quite a lot of effort to the game, which could signify innocence, but on the other hand, it could be a wolf putting effort to looking innocent, so we can't use that as evidence.

Brinn's points made me think that Greenie needs to be watched more closely.

Now I'm off to check what else has happened in the BD while I've been away, but then I'll continue my reread and hopefully have some ideas when I come back.

[Thinlómien]

I was just thinking... could this be why Agan died?
Guilty
Nerwen. Okay, her speculation about Cab's death and reaction to Ilya & Brinn's reactions is suspicious, plus her fierce defense of herself.
Nog. Still want to read his posts at some point.Too dangerous to be left alive? Maybe the wolves even thought she was a seer who was hiding out in the open since she simply wrote "guilty" (not "suispicious" or anything like that) and put those two names there? It could be a smart seer tactic after succesfully having dreamt of two wolves by Day2...

And hey:
I expected to find Agan dead toDay, and I hadn't even seen the significance of her switch on Lommy. You're probably right about the Seer-hint, though.Having an honest wolf here, actually? It would fit quite nicely.

Considering Greenie... she has a couple of times said she prefers dialogue to analysing and has acted to follow this preference... I think it slightly points at her innocence because for a wolf, hiding behind analyses is much easier than reacting to stuff spontaneously.

And as for wolf-on-wolf cases... Brinn speculates that fellow wolves wouldn't have necessarily attacked Nerwen so forcefully. But they actually could have. For general profit, or possibly because wolf-Nerwen would be busy with RL (and see, she has been). Maybe she talked to her fellows and they deviced a plan of possibly lynching her to look good? Just a scenario.

Where is Kath and Ka today???I know this is pretty far.-fetched, but would he wonder out loud the absence of two of his mates? I think a wolf would not actually feel like doing that...

Nerwen is either a wolf or a victim of a nasty plot made by wolves. Her defences can be interpreted both ways. I have no clear feeling on her but if I'd had to be the one to vote the lynch at this moment I would probably try her (or then The Ka, just to be sure).Too bold to be wolf-on-wolf?

So you're the Seer, Boro? I thought it was the phantom.If she's a wolf, she's pretty quick to react and does the obvious smart thing.

I think Greenie looks innocent because of her slight frustration of Boro's seer reveal because she had a case against Noggie (which she explains when asked). It looks all very genuine.

I'll have a pause now. For my further information, my reread is currently on page 39.

[A Little Green]

This comment seems pretty innocentish. I don't think a wolf would bring up the idea of lynching Gil...it's more strategic to keep him around until the end.I disagree - Gil is something like a known innocent (or then a known bastard), so how would it profit a wolf to have him around? Wouldn't a wolf be keen on getting rid of him, as he is a number on the village's side and besides if the village spends a Day in lynching Gil the wolf gains one additional Day of not being in danger of getting lynched and also the certainty of one more Night.

As you might have guessed from that, I don't think we should lynch Gil. I don't think anyone seriously considers the possibility of him being our last wolf, so why waste one of our last Days to lynch someone like him when we could actually try and get the wolf caught? Deciding to lynch Gil gives the wolf a free pass through a very critical Day, and I think that is a bit foolish, really. Why not at least try? If we lynch Gil, we have (most probably) lost one innocent. If we lynch someone else, we lose either an innocent or the wolf. From that angle, it is much more reasonable to do a real lynch, so to say. Besides, Gil's death doesn't help us toMorrow, it gives us nothing more to go on with.


EDIT: x-ed with Lommie

[Thinlómien]

One thing: yesterDay Boro and tp were, as I interpret it, trying to plant the idea that it was really in the lupine interest to keep Boro alive (I thought of joining in, but I was afraid it would be too reminiscent of the Agan affair). Wolf #4 didn't bite on it, which perhaps points away from Ilya and towards a more experienced villain.We all know Nerwen's smart but she continuously pays a little too much attention to advanced-level kill plotting to look convincingly innocent.

And that's it. I'm finished with my reread and I'm rather confident that our last wolf is Nerwen, who has fooled me very beautifully almost all the time and who has done some brilliant work as have her fellows. Cheers! :D


edit: xed with Greenie

[Thinlómien]

As you might have guessed from that, I don't think we should lynch Gil. I don't think anyone seriously considers the possibility of him being our last wolf, so why waste one of our last Days to lynch someone like him when we could actually try and get the wolf caught? Deciding to lynch Gil gives the wolf a free pass through a very critical Day, and I think that is a bit foolish, really. Why not at least try? If we lynch Gil, we have (most probably) lost one innocent. If we lynch someone else, we lose either an innocent or the wolf. From that angle, it is much more reasonable to do a real lynch, so to say. Besides, Gil's death doesn't help us toMorrow, it gives us nothing more to go on with.
Haven't you read me &Kath's posts toDay?

If Gil is one of the people alive toMorrow, the wolf can refrain from voting for a rep and win by that. But if all the people alive are players who will vote for reps, she can't win by that.

So, technically it's just a question of whether we want to have our decisive Day toDay or toMorrow, but it makes more sense to have it toMorrow so that we have more time to argue and analyse.

Does this make sense?

[Thinlómien]

So, technically it's just a question of whether we want to have our decisive Day toDay or toMorrow, but it makes more sense to have it toMorrow so that we have more time to argue and analyse.And also a little tidbit: if we only have it toMorrow, there's a bigger chance to get the wolf as there's one less option as the wolf will have killed someone off by then.

[Nerwen]

About Brinn's points on Greenie. They're pretty thin, really. I do, however, have a vague "bad feeling" about her... however, that may just be because I think she's the person most capable of playing it cool.

I've been thinking about Kath's "lynch Gil" proposal: It has its merits, but... how much chance is there that he's the wolf? Is it worth throwing away a lynch on him if no-one thinks he's guilty?

On the other hand, this is the last Day we can lynch anyone "just in case".

Thoughts?

EDIT: X'd since Lommy at #1834.

[Thinlómien]

Nerwen, I'm not going to repeat everything I've said considering Gil-lynch (well I doubt you assumed that anyway). But really, for me, it looks like the wisest course of action by far. I don't understand why don't people get it.

[Nerwen]

We all know Nerwen's smart but she continuously pays a little too much attention to advanced-level kill plotting to look convincingly innocent.

And that's it. I'm finished with my reread and I'm rather confident that our last wolf is Nerwen, who has fooled me very beautifully almost all the time and who has done some brilliant work as have her fellows. Cheers! :D

*sigh* I wish I could accept your congratulations, but alas! you're barking up the wrong tree.

[Nerwen]

Nerwen, I'm not going to repeat everything I've said considering Gil-lynch (well I doubt you assumed that anyway). But really, for me, it looks like the wisest course of action by far. I don't understand why don't people get it.

Okay, you're probably right. I really haven't had much sleep lately.

[Brinniel]

For general profit, or possibly because wolf-Nerwen would be busy with RL (and see, she has been). Maybe she talked to her fellows and they deviced a plan of possibly lynching her to look good? Just a scenario.
That makes me think back to the WW game I modded when something similar happened. Nerwen had to drop out for RL reasons, but I think the Night before she contacted me she informed the wolves of the situation and the next Day the wolves (especially Boro) pushed for her lynching, but were unsuccessful. It's possible something like that happened here, though I also don't think it had to be just for RL reasons that a wolf-on-wolf suspicion (and possible lynching) could've been made.

I think Greenie looks innocent because of her slight frustration of Boro's seer reveal because she had a case against Noggie (which she explains when asked). It looks all very genuine.
That's what I initially thought about her reaction as well, but I don't want to take it too much into account as to possible innocence since it could be just a very good bluff.

I've been thinking about Kath's "lynch Gil" proposal: It has its merits, but... how much chance is there that he's the wolf? Is it worth throwing away a lynch on him if no-one thinks he's guilty?
I find this statement rather odd. Earlier toDay you kept saying, "What if he is the wolf?" But now that we're actually considering lynching Gil, you suddenly turn around and say, "What if he isn't the wolf?" Why the sudden change?

[Nerwen]

I find this statement rather odd. Earlier toDay you kept saying, "What if he is the wolf?" But now that we're actually considering lynching Gil, you suddenly turn around and say, "What if he isn't the wolf?" Why the sudden change?

Because first I was worried that everybody was just dismissing him. Then everybody decided to lynch him, and yeah, I worried about that too. Guess I'm a chronic worrier.

[Kath]

Nerwen the questions you asked about Gil were exactly what I was worrying about when Lommy first mentioned it. Try thinking it through either in your head or on screen, it seemed to help for me. For me it's basically a choice between ending the game with a chance of winning or ending the game without one. If we leave Gil alive and he either turns out to be the wolf or the wolf leaves him alive at Night then on our final Day we're going to end up in a situation where we have no votes and the game ends with a whimper and we lose. If we lynch him toDay then at least the end of the game will be interesting and we can have more say in it.

That's my reasoning behind it anyway.

[Nerwen]

Nerwen the questions you asked about Gil were exactly what I was worrying about when Lommy first mentioned it. Try thinking it through either in your head or on screen, it seemed to help for me. For me it's basically a choice between ending the game with a chance of winning or ending the game without one. If we leave Gil alive and he either turns out to be the wolf or the wolf leaves him alive at Night then on our final Day we're going to end up in a situation where we have no votes and the game ends with a whimper and we lose. If we lynch him toDay then at least the end of the game will be interesting and we can have more say in it.

That's my reasoning behind it anyway.

Yes, I get the point. It just seems a weird way to lynch.

[Thinlómien]

Is no one besides me and Brinn (and maybe Kath, kind of) doing anything productive toDay? It's useless to play more time if we can't use it...

[Thinlómien]

Anyone around, btw? Greenie's in the room next to me, that I know, but others?

[Thinlómien]

So, what people have been doing this far toDay

Brinniel - lynch speculating, providing quotes, analysing, main suspect atm: Nerwen
Gil-Galad - nothing
Greenie - (all talk just sort of general talk), main suspect atm: Brinn
Lommy - lynch speculating and rereading, main suspect atm: Nerwen
Kath - lynch speculating, main suspect atm: Brinn
Nerwen - mainly commenting with one-liners or questioning others' opinions, no main suspect

Based on this, Greenie and Nerwen seem either suspiciously uninvolved (the wolf would not need to find out stuff or get lynch things solved thoroughly with others) or busy.

Nerwen looks a bit fishy for voicing no suspicions. As if she was ready to join any bandwagon to save her own skin.

On the other hand, we can't clear the others because of having a main suspect. It's easy to pick one if you're not threatened yourself, or if there are two people equally suspected (this time, Brinn and Nerwen, it seems). Actually, I wonder why Nerwen just hasn't joined the "lynch Brinn" camp... Maybe because she's innocent after all?

Well it looks like my little summary was not of much assistance... it really didn't affect my opinions on people or anything, at most made me a tiny bit more suspicious of Greenie. Let's hope I cross-post with someone...

[Thinlómien]

Just out of interest, living people bolded, mods in italics:

the phantom 329
Boromir88 240
Nerwen 121
Thinlómien 116
mormegil 102
Rune Son of Bjarne 95
Brinniel 94
Shastanis Althreduin 92
A Little Green 85
satansaloser2005 85
Feanor of the Peredhil 80
Nogrod 79
Gwathagor 57
Ilya 54
Aganzir 44
Kath 41
Eönwë 33
Legate of Amon Lanc 33
Mithalwen 28
Gil-Galad 12
McCaber 11
THE Ka 9
Rikae 6
Diamond18 2
Formendacil 1

Phantom's post count is monstrous. :eek: But I'm not sure if I've ever had this many posts in a single game either.

Yes, you're allowed to ask why I'm doing stuff like this. I'm just talking because no one else is. Who knows if I will inspire someone to write something, to write whatever. Because we've fallen back into silence...

[Thinlómien]

Nerwen and Greenie, what do you think of lynching Gil? If you (still) don't approve of it, do you have any better ideas?

[Kath]

I'm around Lommy.

The more I've seen of Brinn toDay the less I have suspected her. Brinn I thought came across as very innocent in the floodposting she did, I don't believe a wolvish Brinn would speak out that much or that there wouldn't be anything jumping out as suspicious in all that talk. Oh and to answer a question of hers, that thing I said about lynching her for her long posts was indeed a joke.

Unfortunately that means I've lost pretty much the only suspect I have! I've been thinking about the double lynch idea but I really don't know who I would put on the lynching block with Gil.

[Thinlómien]

Unfortunately that means I've lost pretty much the only suspect I have! I've been thinking about the double lynch idea but I really don't know who I would put on the lynching block with Gil.If we make a double lynch we lose all we gain by lynching Gil. If we want to double lynch people, I suggest picking two people that might actually be wolves, not Gil.

[Kath]

I'm getting very tired and very confused - please explain?

[Thinlómien]

I'm getting very tired and very confused - please explain?If we double lynch, today is the final Day. So then we'd better get it right. And if we want to get it right, we don't lynch Gil.

If we just single lynch today, toMorrow is the final Day and Gil's death has simply bought us time and removed one more option from our lynch list.

Btw, assuming that we two and Gil are innocent, we have a 66% chance of getting it right if we double-lynch two of the others. Tempting, isn't it? But then again, if we get it wrong... :eek:

[Kath]

Random calculations here ... because I'm not sure you're right.

Alive:
Kath
Lommy
Nerwen
Greenie
Brinn
Gil

Gil and Nerwen die lynched.

Lommy dies by kill.

Alive next Day:
Kath
Greenie
Brinn

So wouldn't we still have toMorrow as well?

[Thinlómien]

Noogles is kind of pressuring me to get done with ww so that he can send his audio clips to Brinn...

So, Kath, what shall we do? Shall we lynch Gil as was planned? Or shall we gamble and go for a risky double-lynch? If we do that (I'm not sure if it's wise) I insist we lynch Nerwen at least.

The profit of the double-lynch is that we get to remove two unknowns while toMorrow we only get to remove one. One other player will be removed by then, yes, but it's most probably me whom no one suspects, so it won't really probably remove a lynch option in anyone's mind.

The profit of lynching Gil is that we still have more time and our lynch toMorrow will probably be better thought of than any ex tempore double lynch right now.

Still, I'm tempted... Aieee.

edit: xed with Kath

[Thinlómien]

Alive next Day:
Kath
Greenie
Brinn
So wouldn't we still have toMorrow as well?Yes, but the problem is that the wolf can abstain from voting for a rep and thus no (innocent) reps can be elected (because one needs two votes to become a rep and one may not vote herself) and thus no one will get lynched and then the wolf will win after the following Night.

[Kath]

Oh I see! That makes sense.

Hmm so:

Alive:
Kath
Lommy
Nerwen
Brinn
Gil
Greenie

Lynch Gil.

Lommy dies by kill.

Alive:
Kath
Nerwen
Brinn
Greenie

Well I guess it makes sense. Enough people toMorrow to make it a worthwhile Day. It's going to be scary though - it almost makes me want to be killed toNight and leave it to the rest of you to freak out all through the last Day! I had enough of that last game.

[Thinlómien]

So you think we should lynch Gil?

Fine by me...

...but unless something new and important appears, I think Nerwen should really be lynched toMorrow.

[Kath]

Gil looks like a good option right now.

I'm not convinced about Nerwen ... but then I'm not convinced about anyone. Something that Greenie said earlier, when she was very against lynching Gil, brought her up on my suspicion list while Brinn went down it. I mean there are times where you look pretty suspicious as well Lommy, especially with your 'evidence' earlier on.

We're actually quite lucky in that we have to vote for Reps before we vote for a lynch on the final Day because we will have at least one innocent as a Rep with a say in things. That doesn't necessarily mean the say is going to be the right say but it gives us a fighting chance!

Anyway, voting time? I love how we clearly don't trust each other - we're both waiting for the other to vote first.

[Thinlómien]

Anyway, voting time? I love how we clearly don't trust each other - we're both waiting for the other to vote first.Actually I did trust you... up until that comment. :eek::D

And I really typed a post where I voted Gil and said I should trust you if I'm so sure of Nerwen's guilt... but then I erased it all when I because I really became to unsure. :D

[Kath]

Really? 'Cause I really am waiting for you to vote. I have a background fear that I'm going to vote Gil, you're going to make it a double lynch on me and we're going to end up with that nasty situation toMorrow.

[Thinlómien]

Really? 'Cause I really am waiting for you to vote. I have a background fear that I'm going to vote Gil, you're going to make it a double lynch on me and we're going to end up with that nasty situation toMorrow.Well I would say "I won't do that" but you couldn't take my word for it...

What if we just promise to vote at the exact same minute (BD time)? Does that help you? It does not wuite help me but we need to do something, I can't sit here all night...

[Kath]

Do you know that's exactly what I was thinking.

11:55 by the BD clock? Or 55 minutes past whatever time it is where you are.

[Thinlómien]

Or what if we take it by chance? Like, decide that one of us is an even number and one of us is an odd number. Then, let's take some number we don't know (say, exact size of Portugal in square kilometers, or how many hits do you get by googling some word, or how many posts 'downer x has or so on) and check what's it. If it's an even number, the one who's even number has to vote first, if it's an odd number, the one who's odd number has to vote first. Makes sense?

edit: xed

[Thinlómien]

Okay let's make it 55. Agreed?

[Kath]

What the ...? Let's just vote together. It's far too late at night to be worrying about how large Portugal is in square kilometres or whatever you just suggested!

[Thinlómien]

It's 55 now...

[Kath]

++GIL

[Thinlómien]

Shall we make it .00 exactly since we seem not to have rreached an agreement yet?

[Thinlómien]

++Gil

[Thinlómien]

Haha I wasn't sure if we had an agreement or not but I'm glad it turned out fine. :D

[Kath]

Well! We just about got there!

Bring on toMorrow. It's going to be interesting.

[Thinlómien]

Bring on toMorrow. It's going to be interesting.Yup. I hope I won't die toNight because I'd hate to miss such a nerve-wrecking spectacle... :D

But well, if I die, keep these two things in mind:

1) important: vote against a filibuster just to be on the safe side

2) keep an eye on Nerwen, I really think it's her... but of course, don't be blind to other possibilities either

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I can post the results now and end the day early, or I can wait- but the results will be late in that case, as I'm supposed to be leaving in a few minutes.

Preference?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Gil-Galad was an ordo.

Given his lack of participation, I feel no regret in not taking the time to write him a narrative death.

M'Lady Wolf, send me a death.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I'm sorry! I got distracted.

Kath has died toNight. Everyone else is still alive.

Have at it.

Kath- my guilt shall not be assuaged until I give you an actual narration. Promise.

[Nerwen]

++No Filibuster.

Sorry, Fea.

EDIT: fixed highlight.

[Brinniel]

Okay, I'm reading through the thread once again, though this time I'm going through posts I haven't really looked through yet. I have my suspicions, but as it's our final decisive Day, I definitely don't want to settle for my current thoughts without doing more research as well as hearing from the rest of you.

More posts coming...

[Brinniel]

Okay, I know I'm getting heated but this is just too much! You cannot say that to me. You're the one nit-picking and making mountains out of molehills all the time. I have no doubt it's wise to question about everything everyone says but when you do that, you can hardly blame anyone for making small issues sound bigger than they are.
This was from the Lommy/Aganzir battle. I said initially I thought this was ordo vs. ordo, and I still believe that. Lommy's frustrations here remind me of an innocent Lommy. She's had this argument before with Aganzir as an ordo.

Don't make me a rep, or I'll be tempted... *evil grin*
Btw, assuming that we two and Gil are innocent, we have a 66% chance of getting it right if we double-lynch two of the others. Tempting, isn't it? But then again, if we get it wrong...
Would a wolf openly express temptation towards a double lynch like this?

Lastly, I've been thinking... we shouldn't lynch tp or Boro toDay. However annoying they are. I suggest keeping an eye on them for they are acting mighty suspiciously, but I'd really rather keep them around for a while more (a Day or two) since there is nothing extremely serious against them and they will provide more and more evidence againt or for themselves as the game goes on. You may call me an elitist or a turncloak, I know - but I'd hate to lose players like them in vain. If they're innocent, they're a huge asset to the village.

That is, they would be a huge asset if they weren't such a distraction. I therefore suggest (or to phrase better, echo the earlier suggestions) that we should stop focuing on them like this. And that "we" means all of us, even the gentlemen themselves. We're assisting the wolves by this single-mindedness, especially if Boro and tp are innocent.
I think it was Lommy who initially brought up the idea that we should lynch Boro or tp. The fact that she brought it up seems pretty innocent to me. Those two were heavily suspected that Day, and I just can't see why a wolf would not take advantage of getting at least one lynched.

++THE Ka

That's the closest I can get to a reasonable vote toDay. She's a submarine the likes of which we can't really afford, and like I've said, she tnds to have more serious stuff to say when she's innocent.
A wolf-on-wolf vote is possible here, but I don't think it's likely. Ka was sliding under the radar and Lommy's vote helped bring attention to her.

I wish I had so much time that I could go through everybody's rep votes... I think that'd reveal something: I doubt the wolves voted people who were strongly after their fellows to be reps...
That's a good point. I should go back to my voting list and check that out.

Or what if we take it by chance? Like, decide that one of us is an even number and one of us is an odd number. Then, let's take some number we don't know (say, exact size of Portugal in square kilometers, or how many hits do you get by googling some word, or how many posts 'downer x has or so on) and check what's it. If it's an even number, the one who's even number has to vote first, if it's an odd number, the one who's odd number has to vote first. Makes sense?
Lommy, sometimes I wonder how your brain works. You make things so much more complicated than they really are. :p

1) important: vote against a filibuster just to be on the safe side
Good point. I had actually forgotten about the whole filibuster thing until you mentioned it. And so I don't forget again:

++No Filibuster

Poor Fea never got her filibuster. Now she will kill us all. :rolleyes:

[Nerwen]

Okay, it's down to

Brinn
Lommy
Greenie
Nerwen.

And we have to get the wolf toDay (obviously.) So yes, we may as well do a double-lynch.

Problem is, it seems I'm one of the lynch-candidates. That won't matter, of course, if the other one is the wolf.

However, from my point of view it would give us a better chance if one of the lynchees wasn't someone I know to be innocent, i.e. me.

So I've got a dilemma: should I defend myself or not? If I convince you of my innocence it will help the village... but then if we concentrate on me all Day it won't.

X'd with with Brinn.

[Brinniel]

Honestly, this ploy stuff is getting on my nerves. I don't like a situation where a few players can basically turn away every suspicion concerning their weird behaviour saying "Oh, that was a ploy, but of course you are too silly to understand advanced WW-playing. *sigh*"
I can understand her frustrations here, as it was something that I shared too.

I am as well. This will be my last toDay. But, for what it's worth, I'll vote

++ lynch the phantom

I think I have already stated enough reasons for my choice.
Obviously just because she voted for tp doesn't mean she's a wolf, as many suspected him including myself. Of course because of the heavy suspicion, it'd be easy for a wolf to jump on the bandwagon. Though Noggie and morm already did this...would a third wolf join in?

Nog - calm down, will you? No need to get heated. Please if you think/know those two are wrong then give us some logical proof. Prove their arguments wrong and I'll be sure to reconsider. As long as your theory has flaws such as the morm thing Gwath already pointed out, I can't take it seriously.
This is an interesting interaction here...and a bit weird. I'm not sure what to make of it.

Three quotes...really? Is that all I could find out of Greenie worth commenting? You see, that's the trouble...she always flies under my radar and I find that incredibly frustrating. It shouldn't be like that, especially when there are only four players left.

[A Little Green]

Argh, if this isn't nerve-wrecking. Double lynch sounds like a very good idea as this is the last Day we have anyway. I've been thinking about the reps. It's vital that everyone votes because otherwise we'll only get one rep which in turn makes the double lynch impossible. (It's possible of course to get the wolf by a single lynch but why gamble?) Also, we should reach consensus about who we want as our reps or preferably who we want to lynch before the rep-voting so as to avoid unwanted situations (ie. the person who is most suspected being a rep etc.).

The wolf is either Brinn, Lommy or Nerwen. I'm still quite confident that Lommy is innocent. That leaves Brinn and Nerwen. Hmmm...

I'd want Lommy as rep since she's the only one I'm somewhat sure is innocent.

[Brinniel]

I agree, nonetheless (forgot to include this in my last post) that it's rather peculiar that Aganzir got in this time, when I believe she's only made one post.
I don't know what was so strange about that. Why shouldn't someone who only made a couple posts get voted as a rep? And I think on Day 1, several players were voted for based on their reputation rather than simply what they had posted.

*applauds*

I'm thoroughly enjoying the Gil-Shasta double-act. Pure comedy gold.

Nerwen wasn't the only one who expressed amusement towards the whole Gil/Shasta thing. I just can't understand why people found it so amusing. I don't believe there was much to think about when it came to their interactions.

Can we assume that Gil's out? His confusion looks pretty genuine to me (however, I haven't played with him much).
This is a comment that stood out as strange to me. It feels that she's a bit eager to know whether he's out of the game. If she's innocent and assumes Gil is too, I would think she'd want him to stay in the game. Especially when it was only Day 1.

Well, that was predictable.
Boro and phantom... yes, I guessed what you were up to, though I was a bit slow on the uptake.
These comments strike me as odd. It feels like she's trying really hard to keep up with Boro and tp, and stay on their good side.

Firstly– R.I.P. Shasta! And nice work from our reps...
This is another reaction that seems fabricated to me.

No, no, hang around. We can always lynch you if we get stuck.
The second sentence is the one I find weird. Saying that he shouldn't drop out only because he's useful in numbers, whether he votes or not. The problem I have here is why not encourage him to actually participate rather than tell him to stick around so we can lynch him "just in case"?

[Nerwen]

This is a comment that stood out as strange to me. It feels that she's a bit eager to know whether he's out of the game. If she's innocent and assumes Gil is too, I would think she'd want him to stay in the game. Especially when it was only Day 1.

By "out" I meant "not a wolf".

[Brinniel]

Supicious includes anyone who is slightly mentioned as wolfish.

Day 1

1. Greenie: Brinn

Brinn's suspects at the time: none

2. Lommy: Ilya

Ilya's suspects: none

3. Brinn: Aganzir

Aganzir's suspects: none

4. Nerwen: no vote

Wolves-

5. Ka: Boromir

Boro's suspects: Legate

6. morm: Nogrod

7. Nogrod: Ilya

Ilya's suspects of the time: none (well, she mentions me as suspicious but I think it was banter)

Day 2

1. Lommy: Nerwen

Nerwen's suspects: Nogrod, tp, Legate, Boro, Aganzir, Brinn

2. Nerwen: Lommy

Lommy's suspects: Nogrod, tp, morm, Ilya, Aganzir, Ka

3. Greenie: morm

morm's suspects: tp, Nerwen

4. Brinn: Kath

Kath's suspects: Greenie, Eonwe

Wolves-

5. morm: Aganzir

Aganzir's suspects: Ilya, Eonwe, Greenie, Lommy, Noggie

6. Ka: Lommy

Lommy's suspects: Nogrod, tp, morm, Ilya, Aganzir, Ka

7. Nogrod: Boromir

Boro's suspects: Nogrod

Day 3

1. Greenie: morm

morm's suspects: tp, Boro, Nerwen

2. Lommy: Shasta

Shasta's suspects: tp, Boro

3. Brinn: Shasta

Shasta's suspects: tp, Boro

4. Nerwen: Kath

Kath's suspects: Boro, Greenie

Wolves-

5. morm: Lommy

Lommy's suspects: Boro, tp

6. Nogrod: Kath

Kath's suspects: Boro, Greenie

7. Ka: Greenie

Greenie's suspects: Ilya, Boro

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That took a long time and I feel it was a waste. On Day 1, not many suspected anyone during rep votes. On Day 2, there were too many suspects and few were very heavy ones. Plus, the wolves voted players as reps who both suspected them and their fellow known wolves. So unfortunately, I can't really say this tells us anything..

[Brinniel]

By "out" I meant "not a wolf".
Okay, I misunderstood. I thought you meant "out" by out of the game. Sorry about that.

[Nerwen]

As I said, I don't really want to go into a long, distracting defence of myself. However, I'll briefly explain the business with me, Boro and tp:

I suspected early in the piece that they were the Seer and a dreamed innocent who had guessed the Seer's identity and was taking cues from him. (I guessed wrong about which was which.) Much of what I did in the next few days (when I wasn't coping with Wolfegil) was aimed at keeping the wolves off them. The Aganzir "chess-game" was part of that. The comment you (Brinn) mention: "Boro and phantom... yes, I guessed what you were up to, though I was a bit slow on the uptake." was to let the Seer know I understood what was going on.

EDIT: X'd with Brinniel (twice).

[Brinniel]

Ugh, all this research from me is getting rather ridiculous. It's past 6am here and I still haven't gone to bed. :eek: Quite unhealthy considering I have a lot of school work due this week.

In summary, my opinions haven't really changed. Nerwen seems the most suspicious, Greenie is a question mark, and Lommy looks innocent.

I agree our safest bet is to try a double lynch and we need to discuss ahead of time who we want to vote as our reps. And since we want two reps, we should list our top two choices since there's a chance three of us may prefer voting for one person...but obviously we can't do that if we want two reps.

My first choice is obviously Lommy. She's the one I want to vote for because I trust her most as all my research points to her innocence. And my second choice would be Greenie.

Btw, since I missed deadline last time, I'd like to vote early toDay. I'm heading out in the early afternoon to do some editing for school and I have no idea when I'll be back and I'd rather not push my vote to the final hours again. So preferably I'd like to vote in five hours or so. I'm so tired right now and I apologise if I don't make any sense. Off to sleep...

EDIT: X-ed with Nerwen

[Brinniel]

Nobody's posted in the last six hours? Really? I thought at least someone would post while I was asleep...

[A Little Green]

Just dropping in before letting Lommie post. My first choice for rep would be Lommy as well, but I'm starting to get slightly worried about her after all, if only because I trust her so much and because she's still alive though no one suspects her... Gah, this game is making me paranoid. At this point it looks like everyone trusts Lommy, but we need a second rep as well. I'd suggest myself since I at least am innocent, though I'm not blaming you if you don't trust me since you really can't. The two that aren't reps will most probably be the ones we lynch, so we are almost certainly deciding now who we're lynching. Aieee!

Also, as I forgot it last time I posted, I think a
++ No filibuster
would be in order.

I'll come back after a while to vote for my rep. Before that, I'd love to hear from everyone who they want as rep and who they think we should lynch. Starting with myself:
I think Lommy should be rep and that leaves Brinn and Nerwen for lynch.

[Thinlómien]

++no filibuster

I had a bad feeling all day that it's Greenie after all.

Now I'm going to do some reread (first this Day and then maybe a bit more) and see...

Just a quick comment though:
My first choice for rep would be Lommy as well, but I'm starting to get slightly worried about her after all, if only because I trust her so much and because she's still alive though no one suspects her...Think before you even consider that ;) - if I was a wolf, this game'd be over: I wouldn't have voted Gil yesterDay and we'd be sitting here, me hogging my rep vote...

[Brinniel]

The two that aren't reps will most probably be the ones we lynch, so we are almost certainly deciding now who we're lynching. Aieee!
Not necessarily. One rep could vote for the other rep. The reps have a 50% less chance of getting lynched, but it's not certainly not impossible.

Think before you even consider that - if I was a wolf, this game'd be over: I wouldn't have voted Gil yesterDay and we'd be sitting here, me hogging my rep vote...
True, which is another reason why I think you innocent. Unless you're a bluffing wolf...but I don't think so. I just don't see what the point would be in giving the village another Day to lynch if you could've sealed our fate yesterDay.

[Thinlómien]

True, which is another reason why I think you innocent. Unless you're a bluffing wolf...but I don't think so. I just don't see what the point would be in giving the village another Day to lynch if you could've sealed our fate yesterDay.
Yeah, unless I had a really twisted sense of humour... ;)

Lommy, sometimes I wonder how your brain works. You make things so much more complicated than they really are.I know! :D

Nerwen's being odd. But now that I've thought of it, I'm less convinced of her guilt.

Greenie scares me to no end.

Brinn seems very innocent - I'm afraid she's fooling me brilliantly!

As I said, I don't really want to go into a long, distracting defence of myself.I think it would be more enlightening than distracting.

I think Nerwen's explanation of her tactics sounds reasonable... but a wolf could have employed them too... if it was just a faint suspicion and her fellows didn't agree or they had some master plan... I dunno. I need to think more about it.

Tell me, if Brinn really was a wolf, would she put all that effort to analysis? I find it a bit hard to believe, but on the other hand... I think she's done something a bit similar before...

[Thinlómien]

Aieee I've been avoiding thinking about this stuff by reading other threads and I'm still way too unsure. And no one's even saying anything. *goes to reread everybody's posts in a brinnielly fashion*

[Brinniel]

Alright, I wanted to wait until I heard more, but I'm already leaving to work on my project over an hour later than planned. I can't wait any longer.

My vote shouldn't be any surprise though:

++Lommy for rep

I will be back later tonight, but as I have a lot of things to do, I'm not sure what time. Could be as early as 7pm EST or late as 10pm EST.

[Thinlómien]

I'm pretty sure this has been discussed before but:
Part of the reason I chose you was because you unusually quiet; I was hoping that by putting you in a position of power I could draw you out more and get a better read of you early in the game.I think Agan said she had been busy, and one can hardly change others' RL hurries by voting them for a rep... Brinn's answer to this was pretty evasive, I think. But sometimes even innocents' reasonings don't make sense or a re badly constructed... :rolleyes:

One thing about Brinn makes me wonder. She has suspected pretty much all the wolves, pretty much all the time. Incredible gut-feelings (like she often has) or sinister wolf-tactics? Aieeeeeee...............

Nogrod: I admittingly keep skimming through his posts because they're so lengthy (along with a few other players). I tend to agree with him too much, but I can never get myself to trust him.Which one is more probable: a wolf skimming a fellow's posts or an innocent skimming an unknown's posts? I'm almost inclined to believe the latter...

Lommy I tend to think is more innocent than not, though I'm not sure about it. Greenie is the same except she has even less posts, which I can only conclude is because she goes to bed too early (compared to her sister who goes to bed too late).I only noticed this now! I would protest if that was not so true. :D Touché, m'dear.

tp and Boro really are bothering me. And it's not just the buddying up business....I agree this ploy thing is getting annoying. It's like saying, "Look what I did, I'm so helpful to the village. I'm an absolute genius compared to the rest of you who didn't even attempt any ploys." And then when people start to suspect them, they react like, "Why are you suspecting me? You should be thanking me." It's such arrogant behaviour. And if they really were innocent, why even mention that they successfully set up a ploy? What's done is done and I don't see a reason why anyone else should know about the ploy, especially if you intend to trap the wolves again.

tp and Boro are distracting, and I just can't see why someone who is actually innocent would want to distract us from focusing on the wolves. I'm not so sure that both of them are wolves (though it's something they could certainly pull off), but I certainly wouldn't be surprised if one them is a baddie.This just looks like a very convenient thing for a wolf to say.

Ilya, Noggie has received one vote as well.Okay I know this is a really silly suspicion but somehow her being so aware of that is a little fishy... on the other hand, though, is she was considering voting Nog herself, she'd be paying attention to stuff like this so argh scratch my stupid point.

When I paraphrase with a quote, the tone doesn't exactly come out in written word. But by using that statement, I was trying to say that I didn't like how you and Boro seemed to be so surprised that the village was turning on you. You both made some pretty bold statements and innocent or not, I don't think you should expect people to instantly trust you just because you claim you've been creating all these ploys to manipulate the wolves. It's the same thing if someone were to claim seership...even if they were the real seer, they can't expect others to instantly believe them until there's some solid evidence to back up their claim. So I don't see any reason why the village shouldn't suspect you guys, just as anyone else could be as easily suspected. Which is why I found your reactions to other people doubting you discomforting and suspicious. Does that make sense?This sounds innocent, I think.

Gil-Galad: Still MIA.Not that it matters, but what does "MIA" mean?

Ka: She's already dead, but I'll share my opinion on the matter anyway. She's been so quiet and submarine-ish, it's something I find quite unsettling. Though honestly I don't think I would've chosen to lynch her toDay as there are others who I suspect more and it would've been nice to give her another Day to defend herself...though I suppose there wasn't much guarantee that she'd even show up to do that...Rather innocent again.

On thing that troubles me about Brinn is that her opinions hardly change during the game. (For example, her opinions about me and Greenie have been pretty much the same all along...) Odd...

Okay, I'm starting to get really irritated that I even bothered to put up those quotes. Because I didn't put them up so that everyone can be lazy and not bother to do any research themselves. I'm not perfect...how do you know that I haven't missed an important quote somewhere? With over 40 pages, it'd be easy for me to miss something. And ever since Boro revealed morm and Nogrod, there has been a terrible amount of slacking. Some effort needs to be done to actually find the final wolf and it shouldn't only be done by one or two people. So far it seems there has been a lot of assumed suspicion without much research.I think this sounds very genuine, and innocent too.

Okay, that's it. Gosh this takes time... Conclusion: Brinn's more innocent than not. But I will refrain from further comments before I've checked Nerwen and Greenie too.


edit: xed with my analysis-target

[A Little Green]

if I was a wolf, this game'd be over: I wouldn't have voted Gil yesterDay and we'd be sitting here, me hogging my rep vote...Ah, that's true. Never crossed my mind. :rolleyes:

I should vote for a rep now because I need to go to sleep before my lovely session of eight and a half hours of school tomorrow... Now I don't think anyone is surprised when I vote

++ Lommy for rep

Because I think she is innocent and because I don't want to have her lynched. And at least I'm now ensuring that we get one rep. I leave it for Lommie and Nerwen to give us another.

[Thinlómien]

Okay, just a quick comment.

I'm wondering why I'm alive.

Because I think I should be dead. Kath was not suspected either, but I think I was more generally considered innocent.

Is it more than random that I'm not dead?

Did the wolf assume I'd go after Nerwen and thus thought it safe to keep me around? Or did Nerwen try a very very bold bluff this way?

I'm a bit baffled, but this does make me feel better about Nerwie. She would have had a perfect excuse to eliminate someone who suspected her quite a lot - why wouldn't she have used it?

[Thinlómien]

Anyone else around? I feel a bit lonely...

Btw, I wonder if we're going to make it past 2000 posts... that would be quite something. :cool::eek:;)

Ok, but now I'm off to reread and analyse Greenie.

[Thinlómien]

I like Agan's idea of voting Brinn for rep. She seems a sensible choice. Other possibilities for me might be Lommy or THE Ka. Argh. I don't know.THE Ka? Interesting...

She also makes a nice turn from trusting THE Ka to finding her creepy with whatsoever no reasoning. Why? Do you still remember, Greenie?

Well I can't help but think that from a reasonable player such as Nog this really looks like a vague argument. Truly, that argument looks like grasping at straws more than anything else. (Or then it's just me when I really saw nothing at all suspicious about Leggie's SW jokes.) Anyhow, I don't know how would it serve a wolf-Nog to make such a vague case on Legate when he already had suspicions and voting candidates of his own. Perhaps if he wanted to give the other reps more fuel for lynching Legate without joining the bandwagon himself... But really, I'm not sure - otherwise Nog has looked quite innocent so I don't quite buy my own argument yet...Sounds slightly fellow-y...

Greenie suspects Nog quite vehemently, which speaks for her innocence.

I really hope it is so. You know, if no one pointed out behaviour that strikes them as suspicious or weird, then where would that lead? For my part, I have the habit of pointing out behaviour that looks suspicious or groundless to me, and I will not start making exceptions in that based on who the oddly behaving person is. (If I see an otherwise innocent-seeming you saying something like that in the future, though, I promise to let it go. :))Disturbing use of smiley.

Overall impressions:
- I'm glad to have seen more of Sally. She seems innocentish this far.
- Agan's kill can lead to a myriad directions, I'd love to have a better look at it too. (It seems I already have loads of stuff I'd like to have a look at...)
- I'm torn about Nerwen. The problem isn't the classic no read -problem, but a problem of having both innocent and suspicious vibes about her. She's a one I'll definitely have a look at if I have the time. (See? SEE?)
- I don't trust Ilya. I don't right know where I got that assumption from. Suppose I have to look at it ([rolleyes-smiley])...Somehow, this just sounded very innocent.

And why would I think you are the seer? :)More disturbing smilies...

I had a beautiful theory on why Nog's a wolf but it's no use now since he's officially revealed wolf. And the once I got something figured... Gah. Frustrating.I used to say that this points at her innocence but it could have been that she had just planned a case on a fellow, too...

About the Gil-wolf-thing - I don't know but it just seems so improbable to me... I have heard that Gil is the sort of player whose interest in a game depends on his role. Given that I don't think he has a special role. In addition, I don't think he could be that baffled and confused if he were a wolf, unless he was bluffing of course... Yeah, and besides, I would guess his fellows would have urged him to contribute more. (Or at least should have urged..)

Hmm. I don't think we should eliminate the possibility of Gil being a wolf, but at this point I find it very improbable. I wouldn't mind if he got lynched, but I don't think we should waste a lynch on him either.This sounds innocentish, I think.

And that's her.

Conclusion: fishy like Gollum's favourite food. More suspicious than Brinn. Need to check Nerwen before saying anything more, though.

[Thinlómien]

Her looking at Nog's and Boro's posts and Nog's comments of it is all in all rather fishy.

So that's why you did it, wolfisaloser2005? *slaps forehead* Trust me to get over-complicated.Sounds a little feigned.

I don't think what to make of the fact that she keeps talking with morm and Nog when they're known wolves... :confused:

I should have said this in my first post:

R.I.P. Boromir88. You died like a true son of Gondor... and in the process annoyed the wolves so much that one of them went raving mad and another voted against your fictional namesake in the Middle Earth Popularity Cup. We'll build you a statue next to Shasta's.

You still around, Sally? In all seriousness, you are one of my suspects for Wolf #4. However, I've never been good at reading you, so if you have any thoughts you want to share I'm willing to listen.Fishy and not too genuine...

The following is NOT a genuine confession:
Sorry for lack of posting. I have been horribly busy... to busy to even send in my ki–

No! Curses! Condemned out of my own furry maw!Why the disclaimer in the title? A bit too jumpy for me...

Hello, all. Maybe I'm being silly, but what if it is Gil?Not still a very unsuspicious comment.

Finis.

I didn't find much to comment about her, which worries me... She says some suspicious stuff but overall, she's not too bad. I think she's possibly more innocent than Greenie but less innocent than Brinn from my pov... or maybe about as innocent - but now I'm going to vote Brinn for rep obviously because Nerwen won't be able vote herself. (On the other hand, I'd like to have the last vote and it's more likely that Greenie has to leave before me than that Brinn does... hmm...)

[Thinlómien]

Nerwen, if you're around, please give your opinion on who should be the reamining rep, and soon.... *yawn*

[Thinlómien]

++Brinn

I don't feel like timezone plotting right now and she feels the most innocent of you three.

If I happen to change my mind on her, or we all decide she's suspicious, I may always vote her.

If she's an innocent, she will vote someone else and we'll gamble, if she's a wolf she'll vote someone innocent off but who cares, we win.

[Nerwen]

Hi, anyone around?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Lommy's vote will decide the outcome of the game.

The pressure, I'm sure, is negligible. ;)

[Nerwen]

I guess I'd better vote

++Brinn.

[Nerwen]

Sorry, timezone mixup.

So it's just Lommy.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

So it's just Lommy.

Yes'm.

[Nerwen]

Which means I've screwed up the double-lynch.

Now it's my fault if we lose.

[Nerwen]

Well, I just hope the wolf's not Lommy. I mean, I haven't seen any reason to suspect her, apart from the obvious one that she's still alive.

Oh, well, we'll know soon enough.

[Nerwen]

Lommy, if it is you, you've done a brilliant job and I deserve to be lynched.

[Brinniel]

Not that it matters, but what does "MIA" mean?
MIA is an abbreviation for Missing In Action.

Hmm...Nerwen made the same mistake I did yesterDay and missed the deadline. Though I fear this mistake could be more costly. With two reps, we would've had as high as a 50% chance of lynching the wolf, but with one there's only a 25% chance. And if Lommy's the wolf, our chances are 0%. (Though if that's the case, had there been two reps we still would've been doomed as I already know I wouldn't have voted for Lommy.)

Anyways, don't expect anymore heavy duty research from me since there's no way I'm staying up until 6am again. :rolleyes: Though I think I will take a closer look at what's been said toDay, as I haven't really done that yet.

[Brinniel]

So I've got a dilemma: should I defend myself or not? If I convince you of my innocence it will help the village... but then if we concentrate on me all Day it won't.
There's nothing wrong with defending yourself. And if you are indeed innocent, a defense shouldn't be distracting but helpful if it prevents us from lynching the wrong person. The problem is that while you say you don't want to take up too much time with defenses, you haven't yet provided us with any opinions you have on other players. Which isn't helpful.

I suspected early in the piece that they were the Seer and a dreamed innocent who had guessed the Seer's identity and was taking cues from him. (I guessed wrong about which was which.) Much of what I did in the next few days (when I wasn't coping with Wolfegil) was aimed at keeping the wolves off them. The Aganzir "chess-game" was part of that. The comment you (Brinn) mention: "Boro and phantom... yes, I guessed what you were up to, though I was a bit slow on the uptake." was to let the Seer know I understood what was going on.
This does seem like a reasonable defense and looking back at her posts on Day 3, it does add up.

The two that aren't reps will most probably be the ones we lynch, so we are almost certainly deciding now who we're lynching. Aieee!
I commented on this before, but I'll mention it again. I don't see how deciding on reps is deciding the lynch since the reps could've easily voted for each other.

Btw, I wonder if we're going to make it past 2000 posts... that would be quite something.
With only four of us left, I doubt it. Though I wouldn't be surprised if we make it past 2000 in post-game discussion. Our post count is quite impressive, considering three out of four of the remaining players have 100+ posts in this thread. This game is setting WW records, not only by post count but by span of time too. Can you believe it's been almost a month since we started this game? :eek:

About Nerwen's late vote: On one hand, it could've be an honest mistake. On the other hand, it could've been very convenient for a wolf to miss the deadline only by minutes therefore preventing a double lynch and making it less likely for her to get lynched. I'm not sure what to make of this.

The thing that bothers me about toDay is that only Lommy and me have actually put any effort in so far. I haven't heard anything from Greenie and Nerwen about who they suspect the most. Considering it is our last Day, it'd be nice to hear some opinions from these two rather than lay low. I really would like to hear both of your thoughts.

[Nerwen]

Hi, Brinn.

I'm terribly sorry about screwing up like that. I hope it doesn't cost us the game.

Okay, about the possible wolf: whoever it is has been very clever and not left much of a trail, so it's hard to make a real case.

If it's Lommy, we're already dead, obviously, so there's no point discussing her.

So, I have to assume it's either Brinn or Greenie.

Of the two... Brinniel has been very helpful with quotes and analyses, but as I recall that's a thing she does when she's a wolf, too... doesn't really point either way. Against her there's her pushing for the fixed number of reps scheme, which struck me as weird and distracting at the time.


Greenie... has slipped under the radar until recently. I don't think I can add to the cases Brinn and Lommy have made on her. Half Lommy's case is just "disturbing use of smilies":rolleyes:

And yes, her interaction with known wolves could mean something. At #504 (already quoted in part by Brinn and Lommy) she talks about Nogrod and also about morm:

This just reminds me of the legendary "I've never been a wolf before" -slip. However I'm inclined to believe this is not a wolf slip of morm about his fellow Gil, but mere careless phrasing. Nevertheless it caught my eye and I thought to point it out.

So... she's used what could be the suspect/defend tactic on two known wolves. (But both in the same post... to risky?)

[Thinlómien]

Nerwen you are exactly not helping. ;)

And neither is the ever silent (and ever hiding?) Greenie.

If you all could tell me who you suspect the most and why, it'd help.

Grr... I was thinking we'd win this with a double lynch but now I'm pretty sure we lose... because it is in my hands in the end and I always screw things up. :rolleyes:

But like I've said before, it doesn't really matter so much if we lose. I think the wolf deserves it if she wins.

Please, everybody, tell me your opinion of why it was Kath who died last Night (and not me, for example).

Anyway, I'm going to be here now for a couple of hours and then I'm coming back rather late my time, around 8 or 9 pm GMT. And when I come back, I really want to see some serious posting and discussing by everybody *glares at Nerwen and Greenie*. Otherwise I cannot decide which one of you is a wolf.

I'm still least suspicious of Brinn. Of Greenie and Nerwen I don't know... I used to suspect Greenie more but Nerwen's late posts haven't been quite convincing. And I know I could very well reverse my opinion on Brinn too...

Hey wolf, you're a bit too good at this.

PS. I don't want to be tempted to vote Greenie because I'd hate losing to her the most... :rolleyes:

[A Little Green]

So we won't have the double-lynch after all? Don't lose hope, we can still win - though certainly not if Lommy keeps suspecting me. Please ask me questions and I try to answer as well as I can. Obviously I can't defend myself from arguments like "disturbing use of smiley".

THE Ka? Interesting...

She also makes a nice turn from trusting THE Ka to finding her creepy with whatsoever no reasoning. Why? Do you still remember, Greenie?Trusting THE Ka? I don't think I ever mentioned trusting her, or actually trusting anyone on the first half of Day 1. I don't trust people on Day 1. About Ka anyway - she had posted one post that far if I recall correctly, two at most, so I don't find it right surprising if my opinion about her changes as I see more of her.

the ever silent (and ever hiding?) Greenie.The ever-studying Greenie, more likely - like I already said and like you of all people should know, I have eight and a half hours of school today in case that explains why I haven't been saying anything yet. I'm now having a break but won't be around properly for another few hours as I have a few things I definitely need to do after school eg. buying schoolbooks and stuff like that.

Sorry to sound so cross. I'm not annoyed with the game but with something else. I'll post something proper in a few hours when I get home.

[A Little Green]

I'm back - didn't buy the books after all since I was all too tired. :rolleyes: Well anyway, about who I suspect then. I don't suspect Lommy, which leaves Nerwen and Brinn as possible wolves. I can't choose between them.

Brinn's activity and annoyance at others being quiet/unproductive speaks for her innocence, but mostly from yesterDay and the Day before I got a bad feeling about her, I'll go and try to find exact quotes since that's no use as an argument.

Good points have been raised about Nerwen, especially her reactions to things that have happened looking fabricated etc, but I still think her continuous row with morm speaks for her innocence rather than against it. Hmmm...

I need to think still. As for how much I'm able to be here toDay, well, I have a few school things to do and such and I suppose darling Lommy wants to post once she gets back home from work, but otherwise I'll be more or less around all evening. Is there anyone here except for me?

[A Little Green]

Actually this is funny. The more I read Brinn's posts, the more she starts to look innocent to me. But if she's innocent like she now looks, that logically means that Nerwen is the wolf. Could she be? Argh. I don't know. But since both Lommy and Brinn look more innocent than she does, I guess it's her. My reread of yesterDay and the Day before it (mainly concentrating on Brinn, but skimming Nerwen as well) made Brinn look better and Nerwen slightly worse.


EDIT: Still no one here? I love triple posting and all, but still it would be nice to have someone to talk to...

[Nerwen]

Nerwen you are exactly not helping.

I'm trying, Lommy. As I said, the wolf hasn't left much of a trail.

Clearly it's not you (unless you're turned really sadistic), so it's either Brinn or Greenie.

If you all could tell me who you suspect the most and why, it'd help.

I've been thinking about it a bit more, and I'm inclined to think it's Greenie. Actually I suppose I know what you mean about the "disturbing smilies"; maybe it's the reason for my "bad feeling" about her that I mentioned earlier... she's just been too ingratiating and kept out of things too much.


Grr... I was thinking we'd win this with a double lynch but now I'm pretty sure we lose... because it is in my hands in the end and I always screw things up. :rolleyes:

Well, you can blame me. I feel like lynching myself.

Please, everybody, tell me your opinion of why it was Kath who died last Night (and not me, for example).

It's very strange... I actually started to worry about you, when you turned out to be still alive.

Well, Kath said this #1861:

I'm not convinced about Nerwen ... but then I'm not convinced about anyone. Something that Greenie said earlier, when she was very against lynching Gil, brought her up on my suspicion list while Brinn went down it. I mean there are times where you look pretty suspicious as well Lommy, especially with your 'evidence' earlier on.

So... Brinnwolf making herself look good?

A Little Wolf trying get rid of a future opponent?

Or is it that the wolf felt more confident of being able to manipulate Lommy than Kath?

EDIT: grammar.

EDIT: X'd with two Greenies.

[A Little Green]

I've been thinking about it a bit more, and I'm inclined to think it's Greenie. Actually I suppose I know what you mean about the "disturbing smilies"; maybe it's the reason for my "bad feeling" about her that I mentioned earlier... she's just been too ingratiating and kept out of things too much.I can't help but think this looks very easy. If Nerwen is the wolf, this is exactly what she would want to do. I'm the one Lommy is considering of voting, and I think Nerwen is another she has considered at least at some point. Therefore encouraging suspicion of the innocent our rep considers voting is precisely what I would do as a wolf in that position as well. No, I'm not saying an innocent Nerwen couldn't suspect me; I'm just saying that it would fit a wolf-Nerwen more than well.
As to your reasons for suspecting me - being ingratiating (had to check that on the dictionary :D) is just due to my playing style. Unless I'm really annoyed with something or someone I like to be nice to people and to soften otherwise nasty-sounding remarks with those so-called disturbing smilies. I have been suspected because of that in other games as well, but I'm afraid this is the only explanation I can give. Keeping out of things is mostly due to being extremely busy - or actually, what do you mean by keeping out of things?

[Nerwen]

Well, when I said, "keeping out of things," I meant more that you've been sleeping under the reindeer.

So, how nice, we both suspect each other.

All I know is, unless Lommywolf is screwing with our heads, it has to be either you or Brinn.

Brinniel's posts look pretty good toDay... but I have had reservations about her on and off, mostly based on tiny things... and as I said, long analyses are a thing she does when she's a wolf. I still think Greenie is the more likely.

[A Little Green]

Something struck me as odd in Nerwen's suspicion of me. I found it. Here:
Greenie... has slipped under the radar until recently. I don't think I can add to the cases Brinn and Lommy have made on her. Half Lommy's case is just "disturbing use of smilies":rolleyes:
I've been thinking about it a bit more, and I'm inclined to think it's Greenie. Actually I suppose I know what you mean about the "disturbing smilies"; maybe it's the reason for my "bad feeling" about her that I mentioned earlier... she's just been too ingratiating and kept out of things too much.This I think is an interesting turnaround. In the first quote she seems very sceptical about Lommy's argument; then, later on, when I'm on Lommy's suspicion list, the smiley thing suddenly makes sense to her. It's just weird.
Well, when I said, "keeping out of things," I meant more that you've been sleeping under the reindeer.Ah well. People keep saying that about me. I've never been and will probably never be a flood-poster or mass-analyser or attention-seeker, and thus it's very probable that most players' attention is not focused on me as much as some others. I'm afraid that's all I have to say about it.

Your reasoning about why I'm your top suspect sounds sensible regardless of your role and leaves me with (surprise surprise) two choices: either you are the wolf, as I'm inclined to guess, and try to get me lynched because I'm practically the only innocent you could persuade Lommy to lynch since she seems to trust Brinn; or then you are as innocent as I am and Brinn is the wolf and snickers happily while we are at each other's throats. Of course it's also possible that Lommy is the wolf, but if she is we have lost already so it isn't worth speculating.

[Thinlómien]

Okay, I'm here, mes amies. I've been thinking but I'm still darn confused... You'll see me posting once I've eaten and possibly cleared my head with that a bit. :)

[Thinlómien]

I'm back.

Trusting THE Ka? I don't think I ever mentioned trusting her, or actually trusting anyone on the first half of Day 1. I don't trust people on Day 1. About Ka anyway - she had posted one post that far if I recall correctly, two at most, so I don't find it right surprising if my opinion about her changes as I see more of her.I meant these:

The Ka - Leaning innocent this far.and
Ka - She creeps me out, don't know why.
(First one posted on the rep-voting phase of Day1, the other on the lynch-voting phase.)

Clearly it's not you (unless you're turned really sadistic)It would be hilarious. :D

Well, you can blame me. I feel like lynching myself.Need help? ;)

Still waiting for the opinions of why it was Kath who died from Greenie and Brinn...

Or is it that the wolf felt more confident of being able to manipulate Lommy than Kath?I wouldn't be surprised... it's all too easy to manipulate me. :rolleyes:

I realise I'm actually for no reason refraining from writing anything that would really point at me making any kind of decision...

[A Little Green]

Still waiting for the opinions of why it was Kath who died from Greenie and Brinn...It doesn't seem that illogical to me, actually. She, along with Lommy, was generally quite trusted. Let's assume Nerwen is the wolf, for that way the Kath kill makes most sense to me. It's true that Lommy suspected Nerwen much more than Kath did, but then, killing Lommy would have pointed too clearly at her. Thus what's smarter for a wolf-Nerwen to do than kill Kath who is a sharp and trusted player and who voiced some suspicion on her during the Day also, instead of Lommy who suspected her a whole lot but whose death would have pointed too clearly at her?

I'm going to sleep. I'm quite convinced now that Nerwen is guilty. It just fits. I say we lynch her and be rid of our wolf. I have nothing more to say in my own defence since I have already answered every logical suspicion voiced against me toDay. I dearly hope it's enough, because if it isn't, we lose.

[Thinlómien]

--computing data--

[Brinniel]

Still waiting for the opinions of why it was Kath who died from Greenie and Brinn...
Okay, I'll try to answer as quick as possible since I probably shouldn't be on the Downs in a room that has audio equipment high in demand...

Both Kath and Lommy were both regarded as innocent yesterDay, though for different reasons. I think one of the reasons Kath looked innocent was because many thought she wouldn't be so neglectful as a wolf to not read who got lynched or whether she was killed. A lot seemed to find Lommy innocentish due to her general behaviour. Both looked even more innocent after staying true to their word on their vote. Though I do agree that Lommy looked even more innocent because she voted second...but it's possible the wolf overlooked that. If the wolf is Greenie, maybe she felt more confident that Lommy wouldn't vote her or that she could manipulate her sister. If the wolf is Nerwen, maybe she thought that killing off Lommy, her biggest threat of the two, would too obviously point to her as the wolf.

Okay, I have to run downstairs now to the Avid labs. But I don't think I should be long, so hopefully I'll be back in my room and available to post within an hour or two.

EDIT: X-ed since Greenie

[Thinlómien]

I'm just wondering, really... Kath was suspected very little yesterDay, but I was suspected even less. I'd be inclined to think that Nerwen would have killed me. I mean, she would have had a perfect excuse to kill someone who suspected her. As she was Brinn's top suspect as well, I really kind of doubt she would have wanted to leave her enemies alive.

On the other hand, what you Greenie and Brinn say is true, to an extent. If wolf-Nerwen was being rather jumpy, she would not dare to kill me because it'd point at her. Or then she could have made a huge gamble and thought that eventually someone would conclude that the fact a non-suspected me is alive points at her innocence...

Wolf-Greenie or wolf-Brinn? That's easy. Kath was very undecided about her suspects, so a good victim because she might turn against the wolf herself. Why kill me? I was pretty strongly after Nerwen, and an almost known innocent strongly against another innocent is something a wolf would not mind having around... Also, at least A Little Wolf (love that name :D) would have liked to keep me around because of my trust in her. Wolfiel could have done that too, but it's less likely.

[Thinlómien]

Anyone around?

I'm thinking of voting Greenie because
- I think she would have most likely gone after Kath
- Nerwen's noticing Boro&tp's ploy looks honest and thus it would be a bit odd if she was a wolf
- a wolf-Nerwen would probably not resort to "accidentally" missing the deadline (would she?) and her comments about her mistake seem genuineish
- a wolf-Brinn would not put this much effort to stuff and would not be furstrated at people not contributing or doing things sloppily
- Greenie's voting morm as a rep twice could be interpreted as rather fishy although, I admit, it doesn't point at her guilt in any way

Thoughts, people?

[Thinlómien]

Okay, the thing is that it's almost midnight here and I have school tomorrow. So, I cannot stay much longer. I will wait ten or so minutes, then I will probably go to brush my teeth &c and then I'll be back to vote. Which means that in half an hour, I will have decided the fate of the village. But because I'm not the whole village, I'd really love it if one of you happened to have the chance to pop in and give me some last-minute advice...

[Thinlómien]

*starts typing voting post*

I'm here, though, and I will update the thread regularily so last-minute comments will be heard...

[Thinlómien]

++lynch Greenie

For reasons previously stated (and unstated, I'm too lazy to format those and they hardly matter).

If it is indeed you, Greenie, then my hats off to you, because you've played brilliantly this far. It never entered my mind to suspect you before toDay, you were so convincing. Your only mistake that can be pointed out was killing Kath instead of me - and I tell you, I might have made the same mistake had I been you.

If it is you, Nerwen, I say that whether your missing your rep vote was intentional or not, it was just way too nasty... Also, you would have been fooling me all too well and made some very nice ploys of your own. I once decided to never again trust you in ww and now I see I've actually started to trust you a little. However, if you are the wolf, I will never ever trust you again nor change my main suspect on the last Day.

If it is you, Brinn, then I'm speechless because you must be one of the biggest sneaking and acting geniuses in whole ww history and I have no grudging feelings because you absolutely deserve your victory.

It's in the Goddesses' hands now. Whichever side wins, it is a well-deserved victory, I think we can agree on that. Good night!

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Now that was the most amazing game I've ever witnessed. Do y'all want the results now or shall I hold out on you for another five and a half hours? :cool:

[Nogrod]

Now that was the most amazing game I've ever witnessed. Do y'all want the results now or shall I hold out on you for another five and a half hours? :cool:

Why postpone it?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Why postpone it?

I'm evil?

Okay, here goes:

After the unfathomably entertaining muck-up of the wolves early in the game (ie: not killing Boromir or the phantom), Brinniel managed to secure an absolutely astonishing victory for her lupine companions.

It was a close call now and again, but man oh man did this girl pull through day after long and arduous day.

My hat's off to you, girl, and my eternal debt is of course also owed to Mithalwen and Rikae, my co-moddesses extraordinairre, Macalaure (who very thoughtfully offered help when I rather needed it), Formendacil whose awesome guest narration paved the way for some of the utterly insane death posts some of you guys got, and the phantom who wrote his own death (and who really did request not to be a wolf).

A few questions answered:

Yes, all roles were handpicked. Wolves were picked based on a casual blend of experience, ability to work together, and timezone (mostly timezone). Seer was picked because I wanted a filibuster, darn it!

My dream game involved the wolves conspiring to block a key vote at some suspenseful moment.

Alas, dreams foiled...

Everybody: amazing job. I loved this experience, even though 48 hour Days make for a looooooong game.

[Nogrod]

Yay Brinn!!! :D

My faith was on trial yesterDay - and the Day before - when it seemed all the people suspected you the most.

Really Lommy, how can you make an argument that "she seems to post a lot and is involved - therefore she is not a wolf"??? :rolleyes:

Isn't it on the contrary?

Yes, all roles were handpicked. Wolves were picked based on a casual blend of experience, ability to work together, and timezone (mostly timezone). Seer was picked because I wanted a filibuster, darn it!
If you wanted a filibuster why did you set the deadline on 6AM here? I had all the plans of making it on the concept of "Infinity" but I never had a chance to go for it... :(

I mean I was prepared to make it for three to four hours but someone - morm that is - should have had to carry it on.... and tp managed to halt that procedure.

Next time you should not give the people a vote for "no-filibusters" if you wish those to occur - or at least adjust the deadline so that those able, willing and needy to do that can actually try it...


But yes, this was really an amazing game!

I'll be looking back to it tomorrow with a few comments but now it's 1.30AM and I need to go to sleep.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

If you wanted a filibuster why did you set the deadline on 6AM here?

Because I can't very well set a deadline that I won't be around for.

[the phantom]

The Night where Brin skipped her kill- I was surprised it wasn't a hot topic of discussion till the end. When I heard what had been done I thought it was great and would yield entertaining fights. I was hoping to see endless circles of arguing about why so-and-so would do it, and people shouting how they would never take such a risk.

Other than that, my largest disappointment was losing Legate so early. He was being very entertaining. The thread could have used more of his Star Wars quotes.

[the phantom]

My faith was on trial yesterDay - and the Day before - when it seemed all the people suspected you the most.
Yes, watching those days was amazing. On both days I thought, "The game's over. Brin's dead. Nearly everyone is leaning that way." But then I come home and check the thread and nope- game still going. I wasn't sure whether to laugh or cry.

[the phantom]

I was set to do a filibuster, Fea.

On my final day, I was wanting to go out in grand style with a huge filibuster (two hours long or so). But Sally took the lead and I didn't really want to lynch her. And then I started feeling more ill on top of it, so the filibuster just didn't work out at all.

[Brinniel]

Oh wow. After 28 days of the biggest WW rollercoaster ever, I can finally relax..

It may be cold outside, but boy do I feel toasty right now. :)

When Noggie and morm got lynched, I was confident that I was performing at my worst. And I was, at least during the Night phases. I honestly didn't think I could survive five Days as a lone wolf. Especially on that Day Rune and Greenie were the two reps...I was so sure he wouldn't let me slip away (I always hate that he never trusts me, but now he probably never will :p ). I admit there were times I got really frustrated, and any frustrations I expressed within the game were honest frustrations. But I refused to give up as I didn't want to let my fellow wolves down. morm, I may be eating my boot, but at least it didn't kill me. Thank goodness for that. ;)

[mormegil]

Great game all. Brin, way to go. You made me feel better since you won. I was fairly disappointed that I died so early being that we didn't kill Boro. You were amazing, nobody seemed to suspect you.

Good job all!

Fea, it was a good game, but the 48 hours was a lot longer than I expected. I'd like to see a future repeat of this game but I wonder if there is a way to work around such a long day.

[Brinniel]

Really Lommy, how can you make an argument that "she seems to post a lot and is involved - therefore she is not a wolf"???

Isn't it on the contrary?
Well in her defense, I can become quite involved when I'm innocent too. Remember the game you modded last year? Boy was that a disaster... :rolleyes:

The Night where Brin skipped her kill- I was surprised it wasn't a hot topic of discussion till the end. When I heard what had been done I thought it was great and would yield entertaining fights. I was hoping to see endless circles of arguing about why so-and-so would do it, and people shouting how they would never take such a risk.
I know...that was my whole intention when I chose to skip the kill, so I was disappointed when no real chaos resulted from it. I told Fea I had a bad feeling that I'd be the next lynching candidate the following Day, so while I had the chance I wanted to do something crazy that no one would expect from me. But in the end, it had no effect whatsoever.

On both days I thought, "The game's over. Brin's dead. Nearly everyone is leaning that way." But then I come home and check the thread and nope- game still going. I wasn't sure whether to laugh or cry.
On Day 7, I was so sure I would die. With classes all day, I had no time to properly defend myself which is why I made that pleading post...it really was my last desperate attempt to stay alive. But I didn't think my plead post would actual convince anyone to change their minds. After my last class, I ran to the nearest computer outside the classroom to see whether I had been lynched after all (my stomach had been in a knot for the entire 1 hour and 45 minutes). Boy was I surprised to discover that Ilya had been the chosen one to die. I laughed all the way down to the dining hall. :D

[the phantom]

Quick question, Brin.

I'm curious- I made this (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=573394&postcount=475) post on Day 2. Did you Wolves indeed have some discussions before the game and the idea of Rep numbers and such came up?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Quick question, Brin.

I'm curious- I made this (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=573394&postcount=475) post on Day 2. Did you Wolves indeed have some discussions before the game and the idea of Rep numbers and such came up?

That post made me laugh, as do all posts which unwittingly peg wolves early on.

I had to talk about this game. Mostly to Formendacil.

Formy, Formy, guess what they've done now!

[Brinniel]

I'm curious- I made this post on Day 2. Did you Wolves indeed have some discussions before the game and the idea of Rep numbers and such came up?
I just looked back at our old PMs and apparently morm did mention it, though I don't actually remember him saying it. Most of the first Night discussions involved whether the wolves should vote each other as reps, and should we spread out our rep votes or vote together. We didn't know how spread out people would vote since this whole rep thing was new, so a lot of our discussion was speculation. Most of the Night 1 discussion involved the other three wolves and I took little part in it. I honestly have to admit, I didn't participate heavily on the first Night because I don't like to discuss strategies too much. I guess it's because I find my best strategy is to have no particular strategy...I like to do whatever I want because that's how innocents play...completely individually. Hmm...I wonder if that makes me a selfish wolf. :rolleyes: Don't get me wrong, I love playing as team and discussing with fellow wolves who we should kill next. I'm just not particularly fond of Night 1's.

A lot of people seemed to find the whole goal number of reps suspicious. But quite honestly I think it's an argument I would've made even if I were innocent. Having a proportional number of reps just seems logical...well, maybe not for the later half of the game when there are less players, but at least for the first few Days.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Question: what did you guys think about the altered accountability issues that come with elected Reps doing your voting for you? Did it make it harder or easier to trace bad guys?

[the phantom]

I just looked back at our old PMs and apparently morm did mention it
Well, thank goodness. When I saw that and the way it was worded Day 1 my head wouldn't shut up about it ("They discussed that point at Night, Phantom, I feel it!"). Nice to know the voices in my head aren't crazy.
That post made me laugh, as do all posts which unwittingly peg wolves early on.
I wouldn't go so far as to say "unwittingly". ;)
Question: what did you guys think about the altered accountability issues that come with elected Reps doing your voting for you? Did it make it harder or easier to trace bad guys?
Easier, I believe. It gave me more time with everyone, and gave everyone more opportunities to take action, actions which could be analyzed. And with the extra round of voting, I felt it yielded more opportunities for strategic positioning, which is something you can watch for and use to determine innocence. Because of that, I felt comfortable in this village much earlier than I usually do in other villages.

[Formendacil]

I had to talk about this game. Mostly to Formendacil.

Formy, Formy, guess what they've done now!

She's not lying, everyone... And, for what it's worth, I'm glad she did, because it dragged me back into watching this game after having to turn down insistent invites due to time commitments (and boy did I play that gambit right! You were at this a LONG time).

Of course, knowing who was who only made the watching more interesting. I was rooting for the wolves the whole time, though. Probably because Brinn is the only person I've spent hours of real life talking about Werewolf to, so I've more of a sympathy into her WWing background than the black screens of the rest of you.

[Nerwen]

Congratulations, Brinn!

Brilliant playing!

[mormegil]

There was a post, which I will not find in the myriad of posts, was when Lommy pegged why Nogrod choice to make our first kill. She almost said his exact words that he used to justify it. Basically he wanted to keep it sporty and all that..I just about lost it and was actually laughing out loud with that one :eek:

[A Little Green]

Brinn, darling, if you aren't the sneakiest young lady I've ever met! *bows* Honestly, when I read what happened on the last Day after I had gone to sleep my reaction was "Darn it, Lommy, now wolf-Nerwen wins!" :D Sorry Nerwen. I really thought it was you. :o

This was a very entertaining game indeed, and I was glad to make it to the end. I was wrong all the time, of course - the only wolf I really suspected was Nog, and even that was no use. Oh, the irony:The more I read Brinn's posts, the more she starts to look innocent to me.:rolleyes:

[Thinlómien]

Oh Brinn, I promised to be speechless but you know me: that's something I can never manage. :D But you were just awesome, girl. Really. I didn't suspect you after the Day we should have lynched you (the day Ilya died). You just had a very strong air of innocence - I must admit all my reasonings "she is too frustrated and makes too much effort to be a wolf" were merely my ways of reasoning to myself the innocent feeling I got from you.

I can see only one scenario in which I would have voted you on the last day: had Nerwen actually not missed her vote and voted you as a rep and had you voted Greenie and done it before I had to vote (extremely unlikely due to timezones) I might have voted you instead of Nerwen for the second lynchee. Because as yesterDay processed, I was thinking Nerwen more and more innocent.

I was a bit frustrated with this game at times simply because it took all my time but I'm so glad that I was able to play in it and very grateful to have been there even in the last Day and yes, even for casting the fatal vote! I said I'll screw it up and I kept my promise! ;)

I had really fun time writing that last post. It was difficult to decide between that "if it is you" style and a list of things you have to remember in my honour (getting Ka lynched, catching Boro&tp's ploy, suspecting morm and Nog at least at some phase etc) in case my last and most important choice is wrong. :D

So, thank you everybody. Wolves, you did well - Brinn was a miracle and who knows what would have happened to you Nog and morm had Boro not dreamt of you. Speaking of which: Boro - you were brilliant and I must grudgingly admit phantom was too, to some extent, but you both annoyed me a great deal and did resort to a sort of elitism. Nevertheless, without you two the game would've been far less interesting and not as good.

And most importantly, thank you, amazing moddesses, for the great game! Fea, the idea of the game was just masterful and worked out without any problems, which is very exceptional for a complicated game like this.

Everybody, except a bunch of reps (haha, double meaning) coming out as soon as I have time.

[Aganzir]

I found myself rooting for Brinn against my will. That was an awesome performance.

Also the other wolves did really good work. Unfortunately I was too busy to analyze Nog & Ka's posts, though. :p

And morm... I was typing a post in Open Office during Night 2 (I find it easier than doing it all at once after the next day has begun), and I suddenly got this inexplicable strong certainty that you were a wolf. I actually wrote it down in my post but removed it before posting on day 2 because then I just didn't seem to find any reasons for it anymore. :p

I didn't mind getting killed so no worries. :p It was what I had been striving for myself, anyway, trying to give off some seer vibes. Not sure if the wolves interpreted anything I had done in that light, though.
Actually I even died at the best possible moment since after that I would have been terribly busy, what with the exam week and such, and I should have chosen between werewolf and school. And being crazy enough, I might well have chosen werewolf.

Why did you choose the kills you did?

Also sorry for suspecting you so much, Ilya. I think I've recently taken to the habit of trying newbies and quieter players to see if they break and reveal their possible wolfishness. You made it through my interrogation rather well... As did also Eönwë.

It's so long since I died that this is all I could come up with right now.

Anyway thank you all, Fea, Mith, Rikae & guest narrators. You made this game really enjoyable.

edit: Also, morm, I'm still laughing at the Boro photo you posted. :-D

[Mithalwen]

Well though Boro and Phantom deserved a win for their double act - you were awesome and I loved you for it. However after their battle of the alpha males with Mormegil (what a scary wolf he is!!) and Nogrod I thought Brinniel did brilliantly to win the long slow game. She truly deserved the victory. Brava!!!!!

I shall be modding my Operatic game next but one, DVWP... I hope a few of you will ..err audition for a less complex game (which will have the odd twist).

[Boromir88]

Brinn - stellar

Fea - Maginificent

Mith/Rikae - lovely lament

Morm/Nog/Ka - Touche

I have a question for you Nogrod...was our argument on Day 2 an attempt to bait me into saying you were a wolf? I thought that's what it looked like, and that's why I backed off and decided to leave you for another day.

Lommy - elitist? Who was the one that fooled me? :p

Shasta - brilliant (even though you did ruin my filibuster) :rolleyes:

Eonwe/McCaber/Legate - uhh...sorry about that

Ilya - I hope you enjoyed your first go.

Nerwen/Sally/Greenie/Rune - it would have in no way been this entertaining without you

Kath - at least the wolves didn't kill you on night 1, eh?

Gwath - why did you get lynched again?

Agan - still I wish we didn't make you a tasty wolf target that night, I'm in love with your style.

Gil - I would have laughed if you were a wolf

Missing anyone? Nope don't think so. :p

[Aganzir]

Missing anyone? Nope don't think so. :p
Me neither. :p

I also want to add that my reasons for starting to suspect Nerwen weren't actually that far off - also Nogwolf claimed he would be offended if someone dared to suggest something &c. ;)

[Ilya]

I found myself rooting for Brinn against my will. That was an awesome performance. It really was. Mad props, Brinn.

Thanks everybody for such a great game and for being patient with me. Boro, tp, it was great fun to watch you run circles around everyone else, and all of the wolves were pretty darn slick.

Fea, I'm still tickled by my death scene, and all of them were great. WW is a wonderful procrastinatory tool, one I hope to take advantage of again in the future.

Shasta: Well done, again.

Legate and Agan and Gwath: uh...sorry?

Lommy, you were solid throughout and thanks again for telling me to go invisible.

Rune, Nerwen, Greenie, and Kath: Ya'll we're great late-game players and way too convincing for my own good.

McCaber, Eonwe, Sally: Sorry you guys got booted so early.

Gil: *silence*

[Thinlómien]

Lommy, you were solid throughout and thanks again for telling me to go invisible.
:D You're welcome. I actually always do that to people and I get to do it almost once a game, so I'm pretty used to it... ;)

[Gwathagor]

Thanks for a fun game, Fea. Well played, Brinn!

[Gwathagor]

Gwath - why did you get lynched again?


Herd-mentality suspicion/voting behavior. :p

[Nogrod]

So time for some special thanks.

Great concept Fea! *bows* This merits a rerun on one day! But like with the DW once in a year might be fitting as it's such a gigantic undertaking.

Love you Brinn! You really stole the show! *kudos*

And yes morm, I've soon finished devouring my wardrobe... :rolleyes:

I mean he told us from Night1 on that we should really get into the bussiness and kill Boro and then tp, and he did it every Night. And every Night me and Brinn voted him over on the issue (and yes, I used about the exact same wording with killing McCaber that Lommy used speculating it was me behind it :)). But I still think the game was much more fun woth Boro and tp around even if Boro happened to be the seer.

Which brings me to Boro. Now you should never-ever be appointed the seer any more! If I'm right about my reminiscences your track record on that job is just baffling - I think you had something like three wolves in four Nights in a game long time ago - or something like that. You're a deadly seer man!

Also great game tp! I totally agree with you two that trust is an important thing in a game of ww but you must see that from my point of view I just couldn't kind of say it out aloud but had to challenge your trust as I wished to get you lynched and not killed by Night - and that required that people should start to suspect your amiable relationship - and possibly you yourself might start to distrust it. That of course was an utter failure from my part.

Great first game Ilya! One really didn't have the feeling you were first time on board! I hope too see you again in these games!

Solid performances and good company Lommy, Greenie, Nerwen, Rune ... and Kath (oh my, we don't suspect each other that much any more; where's all the solid that used to make the world firm?)

It was sad to see especially Legate, Aganzir and Sally go so early. It would have been fun to have you around for a longer period. The same goes indeed to those we killed as well but unfortunately the nature of this game is such that someone has to go, everyDay and everyNight...

Especially Gwath seems to be the unfortunate soldier who gets lynched whenever people are generally in doubt... :(


As to our kills... it's been a long time those first ones took place and I don't have the PM's stored anywhere, but I kind of remember we had some half-believable seer-hunches on two or three of them which fitted with the "sporty-lupinity".

A question to everyone. Why did you think it such a big deal that the wolves would do their best to make one or two of them representatives early in the game? There was much talk about that and people made their suspicions based on that presumption - which was totally crazy. I mean we had no hurry to make sure one of us is a rep, there was no reason for that kind of exposure.

[Brinniel]

Thanks everyone. This was one of the hardest WW games I've ever played, so I am rather proud I actually managed to pull it off.

To my fellow wolves- I enjoyed our Nightly PMs though our time was short. Ka I had a bad feeling would get lynched, but I thought she was sneaky enough that it would happen later rather than sooner. It was a shame to see Noggie and morm go...who knows how much longer they would've lasted if they hadn't been seer revealed. At least they kept the village amused, though I admit at the time I was more frightened at the idea that I would be all alone after they were lynched...

And morm, I'm terribly sorry for not listening to you. I felt absolutely horrible about the previous Night once Boro revealed. Though in my defense, I did mention in a PM that you probably shouldn't listen to me. See here:

But then again, maybe you shouldn't listen to me at all because usually my vibes are completely and utterly wrong....
:p

Boro and tp, you two drove me nuts! But you really pulled off a wonderful little act. And brilliant seeing, Boro.

Ilya, you did such a wonderful job for your first game. I'm curious to see how you would make out as a wolf one Day.

Rune, thanks for not killing me. ;) Though now I fear you will now vote to lynch me in every game after this...

Lommy, that was an excellent last Day lynch choice if I may say so myself. :smokin: But in all honesty, I don't envy the position you were put in. You may have not caught me, but you did an excellent job of handling the pressure and I appreciated the effort you put into it.

Kath, Greenie, Nerwen: I enjoyed playing with all of you on the final Days. The Days may have gotten quieter towards the end, but you girls kept it interesting.

Legate, sorry I helped get you lynched so early. The game surely would've been even more interesting had you been around longer. But hey, it can't be helped...I'm evil after all...

Fea, this game was a brilliant idea and you did an excellent job bringing it to life.

Mith, Rikae, other guest mods: Wonderful job on the narrations. We all appreciate your help, plus all the mod commentary was rather amusing.

Next time you should not give the people a vote for "no-filibusters" if you wish those to occur - or at least adjust the deadline so that those able, willing and needy to do that can actually try it...
I agree with that. What I learned is every time there would've been a good opportunity or reason for a filibuster, the village will vote out the possibility. As long as the cloture vote remains, I think it'd be fair to eliminate the no filibuster vote.

Btw, I realised I was only voted as rep once this entire game and that was on Day 1. I guess that just proves you don't have to necessarily vote to lynch in order to be influential.

As to our kills... it's been a long time those first ones took place and I don't have the PM's stored anywhere, but I kind of remember we had some half-believable seer-hunches on two or three of them which fitted with the "sporty-lupinity".
I have the PMs stored away on a Word document. Perhaps I'll pull up some quotes later.

[Gwathagor]

Especially Gwath seems to be the unfortunate soldier who gets lynched whenever people are generally in doubt... :(


Behold the power of group-think.

I'd like to think it has to do with my terrifying aura of menace and power...

[Brinniel]

Since it seems a lot of people are curious, I'll post some parts of the PMs. On Night 1 there was so much talk of strategy, it's hard to just summarise.

Obviously it is important for us to have some sway in the process of who is elected. I think it would be somewhat wise to have some people elected who are easy to suspect. That way when they get it wrong it can and will be used against them. It is likely that we won't even have to bring it up.

I'm not sure what we need to do with the phantom, if he would be worth killing early on or not. He is srewd and clever but he generally gathers a fair amount of suspicion. I wouldn't put it past Fea to make him the seer either.

I know that this is early to talk about it but I want to make it very clear that I won't hesitate to turn on any of you should I see an opportunity that will help us to gather the win in the end, and neither should you. I don't think we need to attack each other too early but if there is a good opportunity that we could gain some immunity I would like to see it.

I would also like to see if we could get one or two of us elected. I'm not sure it would be overly risky for one of us to propose the other to be elected. For example, I generally make it fairly clear that I think highly of Nogrod's judgement so it wouldnt' be odd for me to suggest him.

I think only having one of us elected would be wise, just in the case our seer becomes a bit too cocky, and that we shouldn't all (of course) vote for them immediately. I don't doubt that one of the first things the seer will try to figure out is not why a representative was selected, but who voted for them and what have they done so far. Maybe we can have one or two of us 'drift' off and select someone else or put ourselves in a different camp. Though, it would be rather ironic if the seer was one of the representatives, and especially if one of us voted for them. As for now though, there's no definate way of knowing who is the seer, hopefully tomorrow reveals something.

tp is a good choice, but it would be far too likely for everyone involved if he was the seer. I dunno, it seems as if the game would be far less challenging. tp may be quite clever, but he can stumble a little if you feed the fire of his ego enough (namely to have a flippant attitude, then be constructively nice and only active enough to please his interests). Worked for me last time, I wasn't a wolf but he left me fairly well alone as long as I sometimes remembered that he was 'the' phantom and that he used his own type reason.

I'm not certain if it'll work this time, but I'd rather pay more attention to Boromir88. He's steady and stubborn for sure, but also tricky in that everyone will eventually leave him and his interests alone when they really shouldn't. I guess just keeping an eye on him for now would be a good suggestion.

The sacrificing tactic is okay, I guess, but you have to be careful you don't do it in the middle of a bandwagon crisis and/or too early. I've been the 'volunteer' twice and when we didn't plan right at least one or two of the other wolves were immediately spotted by a more analytical player the next voting Day. So, I agree with morm on that it should be used lightly. Preferably as one of the few last resorts, killing one and then to end up hanging ourselves is one of the ways to make us feel rather pathetic.

I'm not sure what we need to do with the phantom, if he would be worth killing early on or not. He is srewd and clever but he generally gathers a fair amount of suspicion. I wouldn't put it past Fea to make him the seer either.
I would love to see him lynched and not killed by Night. You know many people just get annoyed with him... He might be one of those with whom we might even think about a tactics of some kind. Like The KA using hers, One of us others might play "the annoyed", one the trusting and the third the suspecter or something like that?

Anyway - and with regards to anyone other than us - we should not work too tightly around the same issues. This is a big village and I think we all should more or less ignore at least one or two of our mates during the first Days.


Of course if there is a clear "talk of the town" on Day1 fex. it would be hard to not say anything about it. But one of us could play then the annoyed person who says "it's stupid to concentrate on just one thing" - while someone else might be one to keep that discussion up etc.

Boro sure needs to be watched closely. When he thinks he's on a track he can be not only stubborn but also persuasive and strong. My initial thought on a situation where Boro goes after one of us would be that someone might echo his suspicions (kind of play nice with him) while another one should probably go against him (defend the one under his suspicion) - and the third one should just stay away from that particular debate if possible. Or something.
I just got a mad idea. And please do shoot me down with this...

But how about we went on in a dearing manner us all (or at least three of us) voting for the same Representative - not one of us - on Day1? Someone who would be not too keen to vote for anyone of us (even if s/he might have mentioned someone of us a a potential candidate) and being basically sensible. Not making too much out of it but still turning towards that same candidate who hopefully had a wrong person as her/his primary target? It would be both hilarious but also tactically great if it paid off and the one would be lynched the next Day (or at least be suspected heavily from that on?) while some / most of us washed our hands from that the next Day? I mean when we get a bandwagon rolling many will pick it up and anyhow no one will believe the wolves made such a concerted effort on Day1 for choosing someone not one of them and possibly slightly suspecting one of them! It might pay us back in the last Days if we were ready to risk in the beginning?

The seer anyhow will be on our way and needs to be appeased somehow as I think both me and morm will be ones in the head of any shortlist (with tp, Boro, Di, Kath, Legate... you name it...) and then - depending on the seer's strategy and person - Brinn and THe Ka would not be the last ones to be checked either...

Surely it all depends on how people will post on Day1 and I guess that as we all seem to be more or less veterans to this game we all know what to do and how to improvise.

I see where you are going with this and I like it. I think we need to take some calculated risks that will work to our benefit. The one thing I would like to see is how many votes each rep gets. It might be a bit unusual to get 3 votes from us and then 1 or 2 others. I think the first day that may work...actually I'm going to recommend early on that we, the village, establish a decent target range to fall in between on our total number of representatives.
Do we have an idea of whom to vote for, or are we going to let someone make a suggestion then pick which representative would work best to our interests?
People do look back even at the most benign of bandwagons, and they always focus on the first and last few voters. I guess coming in second with a solid ground of reasoning and fairly calm air would allow us to slip by undetected while furthering the possibility of an innocent (or if we're *very* lucky, the seer... though I highly doubt it) will be killed. Either a later voter or the representative themselves.

I definately agree with getting the representatives to attack one another, or at least become so bogged in analyzing each other that they will cause mass confusion amoung their supporters (when a 'reasonable' bandwagon will look like a safe haven, thus keeping all the fish in one or more pots). Not only will it be hilarious, but it'll be less time and worry on us if they take up all the hard work in killing one another.


(I know I sent a PM too at some point, but apparently I didn't save it...)

[Brinniel]

Deciding to kill McCaber...

Okay, the phantom is creeping me out a bit. I wonder if he is the seer or if he is baiting us to think he is. I would like to kill him tonight...or Gil for not reading any of the rules.
Ha, killing phantom seems lovely too, but I've been thinking about whom and what that will lead to. A few, slightly less persuasive people, but equally important in our village are too close to him for my own comfort, or survival at least. Legate was chummy with him, and thus his kill as an innocent might be used to suggest some form of mistrust amoung the village. He might just be the seer, but I'm wondering what a little questioning might do.
Anyways, I'm just curious what would happen to any of us if phantom was killed tonight. I can't really see a full picture, but at times I have a bad feeling about it.
Any forsight into this possibility?
I'm rather hesistant to kill off tp just yet. With his flood posting, he's doing so well at distracting the village as of now. There's a possibility of him being the seer (though I'd honestly be disappointed if he was since he's been a special role so much lately), but if so not even he would reveal his role this early unless his life was in danger. Remember there's no ranger to protect the seer. And I doubt the village is ready to lynch tp toMorrow. So while I'd like to kill him sometime in the Night, I do not think we should just yet.
I just remembered somewhere in the thread where Lommy said something about Agan and her getting killed by her in the night. I think those are fun things to follow up on. Likely it won't get Agan lynched but it sure would occupy a good chunk of the days discussion.

Boromir is a worthy candidate as most people think him innocent. He is smart and will figure things out more quickly than others.

Eönwë would be a confusing choice for the other villagers as many suspected him.

It would be quite unsporty to kill tp off on the first Night. And the same goes for Boro. Sure they are ones we should get done away with but the kind of result that we had with Legate would be much nicer...

I'm not calling for any veto-right on this but I'd suggest we do not kill them toNight. It's also going to give the seer some tough decision-making as well (we just have to get rid of them before the seer comes forwards and reveals their innocence).
Boro called McCaber "a silent assassin". This was what McCaber replied later:
Boro, you can call me "the silent assassin" all you like. It is an accurate description of how I operate, after all, and it sounds awesome.
Okay. That isn't probably worth anything, but I dec9ided to just take a quick look on his posting as I knew he hadn't posted much. And what did I find? He never mentions a single other player of being suspicious or trustworthy! (He only mentions tp in passing commenting about liking his jokish idea about us finding a peaceful solution to the village's problem and not lynching anyone - and of course Boro in the post I just quoted)

Well, he plays it silently and safely, I know it from experience like all of you who have played with him. But isn't that kind of an overdoing of it? Like he really tries to be even more un-noticed and even more in the background so that no one would have an idea to try and bring him to the front? And as he's no wolf then who else has a reason to be that uncontroversial?

I mean no mention of any names of any villagers expect the two mentioned above (which were no suspicions or trusting) but still posting 11 times to look like he's present?

So if we decide to go for a seer-try I'd suggest McCaber as our target.

....With McCaber there is the possibility of seer-hunch to go with but otherwise only very-very sporty wolves would leave guys like tp and Boro around and quite a few would start thinking of me being involved in there...
Hmm, McCaber would be safe kill, and possibly stir up a lot of finger pointing later on when everyone's confused. I don't see any difficultly turning the tide once that happens, we'd just need to figure out to whom should we suggest as a culprit to the village, or hint and let them do all the work with us appearing innocent and supportive.
I'm good with McCaber and would support that kill. I think if Brinn gets back to us we will reach the consensus.
My last thoughts on McCaber...

I've played with him a few times and my general feeling of him is that he tends to follow other people's suspicions - and even be a bit uninterested in the games when he has no role. But he's quietish anyway, role or not.

Which doesn't mean he's not capable of using his general "reputation" to his advance.

But to my taste he has been both extremely careful this time (not mentioning even the first suspicion or trust within 48 hours and only naming two people, tp and Boro, but both on occasion of answering something that was not in-game!) and still visibly partaking (11 posts which I think is quite a lot for his standards - okay, it was 48 hours, but still).

If he is indeed the seer I could well imagine him acting thus. I may be wrong with this but that's the best bet I have this far.

But even if I were wrong with this suspicion he could be a good lynch-candidate as with killing him we could be A) sporty eg. not killing tp, Boro or Lommy or..., and B) leaving more of the loudmouths around and thus lessening the chance the seer checks us as s/he will have to ponder about tp, Boro etc. as well...

Also the fact that a quieter or more enigmatic player was killed might look bad on me, and possibly on some one of you others as well, as at least I have kind of made it a known strategy that I like to keep the "players" around and get rid of the "quiet load"... (happily I'm not the only one known to have this opinion)

But with McCaber there is this "seer-thing" to explain it - and it might even turn out true? *crosses fingers*

As I said - and if we kill him - we should not rush to speculate about his (possible) seership as the reason for the kill, but should let the others to spell it out. Only if no-one notices it and people start to make unhappy suspicions from our point of view someone should step in and like offer an analysis on McCaber's posting and only from there produce the idea that he was possibly thought of the seer by the wolves.
I agree McCaber's probably our best choice for a kill. I'm not as sure about the possibility of him as seer, but at least I think he'd be a no track kill. And he's not as obvious of a kill as perhaps some others.

My second choice would be Boromir, as he can be quite dangerous when he catches onto something.

[Brinniel]

Deciding to kill Aganzir...

Noggie, I'm sorry mate but I think you are going to be dreampt of tonight, if not already. I had a crazy thought...what if Rune is the seer. He has NEVER been this friendly towards me and he comes out not suspecting me which got me thinking that perhaps he is the seer and he dreampt of me the first night but didn't want to make any show of it until he has one or two others. It's a bit of a long shot but something to look into a bit more. He is being a bit unusual too in his behavior. Oh and Noggie a much more 'normal' day for you, so keep that up although I may come out swinging against you tomorrow, especially if we don't get the seer tonight. Because I'm assuming that you are going to be the person chosen tonight.

Anyway this Boro/Phantom pact is really bothering me and lacking a solid lead on who the seer is I'd like to go after one of them. I wonder if it could be used against the other if we kill one. I know that this is what they wanted, is for us to talk about them, but I am half worried that one of them is the seer and they are hiding so far in the open. Anyway what do you think?
I have my doubts, though it's simply for meta reasons. Rune was the seer in the last game he played, which I believe was Eomer....and that was only two games ago. It's possible Fea made him seer again, but not as likely.
Anyway this Boro/Phantom pact is really bothering me and lacking a solid lead on who the seer is I'd like to go after one of them. I wonder if it could be used against the other if we kill one. I know that this is what they wanted, is for us to talk about them, but I am half worried that one of them is the seer and they are hiding so far in the open. Anyway what do you think?
Yeah, it's a tough choice. One part of me wants them dead and another part doesn't. Both have sort of been suspecting us which can be dangerous if left alive, though I worry about how their death could lead to one of us. They've certainly set up a trap for us and I don't want to fall for it. The question is, which way do we go to avoid it? Hmm...I'm thinking maybe we should wait another Day before we kill one of them, but I'm not sure....

Those who I doubt are seers:

Gil: His lack in participation says definitely not. I don't want to waste my time killing him...maybe Fea will eventually modfire him.

Ilya: Would Fea assign a newbie a gifted role? Somehow I doubt it...

Sally: She hasn't been as active as she normally is, so I think she's most likely an ordo.

Kath: Seems a bit too lost...especially since she didn't even know Legate got lynched.

Rune: As I mentioned, for meta reasons...

Everyone else in my opinion could easily be a seer. One thing I know is that I don't want to kill a quiet player toNight. Because if we kill all the quiet ones, Ka's gonna start to stand out a whole lot more. So who should we go after?

Aganzir: Is very vocal. I can't say whether she's a seer, though. But she has been gathering some attention, so I think perhaps we should keep her around.

Boromir: already discussed...

Greenie: I always find her to be quite the enigma. She tends to fall under the radar for a lot of people and no one seems to be suspecting her. She could be a good kill.

Gwathagor: He's one of the quieter players so I'd rather leave him alone for now.

Lommy: Seems to be viewed as fairly innocent by most. Could be a seer and could be potentially dangerous to some of us if left alive. I'd be up for killing her.

Nerwen: I was gonna say she was one of the quieter ones, but she's actually made more posts than I thought. But she was the runner-up in votes and could be a potential lynch candidate toMorrow. Let's leave her alive for now.

Shasta: I'm the one who re-brought up the psychic powers thing last game and it's sorta true. After all, while he doesn't suspect me or morm, he's getting a bad vibe from Ka. Actually after all the psychic talk, I wouldn't be surprised if Fea tested his abilities by making him a seer. Could be a good kill for toNight.

the phantom: see Boromir. Though I actually also want to note that in the last games tp has been in he was given special roles. It's quite possible he could be given one again, but honestly I'd be a bit disappointed if he was the seer...

In conclusion, I would be most interested in killing:

Greenie
Lommy
Shasta

If you guys really want to kill tp or Boro, I'm not completely against it, though I am rather hesitant to go for it. But if you guys do insist, I'd prefer killing Boro over tp.

One thing we may consider is going for a more vocal player tonight and then doing a bit of a mix from here on out. Basically a quiet then loud, quiet then loud type of mixture. At least we don't leave any trace of who we are going for and that would help create some confusion.
I agree also that tp and boro are beginning to be quite a threat but I'd feel bad being such an unsporty one to just kill them off like that.

But there sure is a chance onew of them is the seer. Boro seems to trust tp in earnest, so maybe?
Okay, I say screw sportiness tonight. If there is any reasonable chance that Boro is a wolf then I say we kill him. It will help us out overall. I still have my nagging doubts about Rune but I could see in their interactions that Boro could be the seer and that the phantom believes so too and he is doing his best to help him out.

Obvioulsy if he is the seer this would be bad for Nogrod, but either way it's bad for you buddie.

I say we call their bluff and kill Boro tonight.
For some reason the more I think about it, the more I feel that killing Boromir could be a bad idea. Of course I could be completely wrong on this, but I have a feeling that he's not the seer. Now it's possible he could be one bluffing his way through, but it's a pretty risky move. There are many reasons why we should kill Boro, but I don't find seerism to be one of them. I just worry that with his death what sort of trails would lead to us or other players...

Quite honestly, I'd be happier killing Shasta. His posts feel a bit seerish to me, plus I don't think his death would lead any negative trails to us.

But then again, maybe you shouldn't listen to me at all because usually my vibes are completely and utterly wrong....
If I didn't have that last sentence in there, this quote would be a whole lot more embarrassing... :rolleyes:
Aganzir might be the seer. Just look at this:
Guilty
Nerwen. Okay, her speculation about Cab's death and reaction to Ilya & Brinn's reactions is suspicious, plus her fierce defense of herself.
Nog. Still want to read his posts at some point.
So with Nerwen there are stated reasons arising from the actual posting but with me she actually says she has not read my posts - so there is some other reason for that? Which could then be read in retrospect?

She didn't vote for me though - but that would be natural self-defence. Had she voted me or made more noise she would have risked getting killed. She also referred to her suspicion of me and not reading my posts somewhere earlier saying it would take her too much time - which might be just true. And she introduced her suspicions on me and Nerwen basically with the same reason: reacting towards some people accusing us on gronuds that would make us "stupid wolves".

I don't know. She might just have a bad feeling about me and thence write it open there, but the way she does it sure gives me the creeps.

It would also be risky to me if she isn't the seer and someone notices the thing I just did. But then again I'm most probably a goner pretty soon so I'm ready to take the risk if you think it worth taking.

But killing Aganzir might give us a side-offer we'd (well, I at least would) get a few chances to play against Boro. For Boro said he signed Nerwen's death-warrant if Agan was being killed during the Night and then backtracked after tp intervened. Check Boro on #768, tp on #770 and finally Boro on #782. That is indeed interesting!!!

tp's threat might be one of his ploys to be sure, but it's interesting Boro backed away after it.

Talking about the two, I have a feeling tp did make a lightly suspecting comment on Boro already earlier the last Day. So he's not "knowing" Boro's innocence?

So if their mating (Boro & tp) has a seer-involvement it's probably Boro who hasn't questioned tp a single time in earnest (if my memory serves me right; I'm not going to go through the thread to check it ). One thing to draw me into that direction is his compromising stance towards me after the short row. I mean if he's a seer he wouldn't like to make me think he's confident of my guilt with such lousy reaons he put forward earlier so he'd have to play low profile for some time not to get killed by Night.

I'm not sure there are major consequences for you others if we kill Boro this Night. But of these one never konws... To me there would naturally be but I have kind of accepted that already.

But it will be up to you to decide. Killing Agan might be the more interesting choice looking at what would follow - eg. Nerwen getting to the firing line as well, unless Boro (or someone else) is the seer and checks her out this Night... Although I think the seer has a host of people to choose from as s/he has only had two dreams this far...

If the seer hasn't checked me already (eg. is not Agan or Boro), Nerwen might indeed be her/his target toNight. So there is also a possibility I'm not dreamt of by toMorrow.

I'd be okay with Shasta as well. Although I think Shasta more lynchable than the other two and I haven't noticed anything seerish in him as yet. But in this I may be misguided as I haven't paid attention to him too much this far.
I'm good with killing Aganzir. I honestly haven't looked at her much for seerness, but it's possible. And I do think her death could result in some interesting reactions.

And anyway, I'm a little less certain about Shasta because looking at his posts again, he does have inconsistencies.
Okay in thinking more about Boro, I wonder if he is fully pulling the ploy of being the seer. He decided early on that tp is innocent and has played just that way so that some, like Noggie would see that he is not even questioning tp.

Agan or Shasta are fine by me too. Let's go with Agan. I think Shasta damaged his Day 1 credibility with his lack of posting on Day 2.
Please kill Aganzir or the seer, whichever is easiest for you and would create the best narrative...oh can you imagine how well you would write a seer kill narrative?!?! It would be simply brillant, actually I'd really love to see it. ;)

[Brinniel]

Deciding to kill Shasta...

As tempted as I am to kill Boromir, I would really just rather find the seer and I don't think it's him. Because if it was, he would've dreamt of Noggie by now and instead he actually dropped suspicions of him. I doubt tp is the seer either, and I think it's also less likely he'll be suspected...though he still won't look totally innocent.

Shasta's another who is probably gonna be labeled as a guaranteed innocent. But what are the chances that he's the seer?

tp seemed so sure the seer already dreamt of him...if that's true, there weren't exactly many people who were certain of his innocence and we could pick them out. But then again, I think this is just another ploy of tp's.
From now on, I'm just gonna stop trusting my vibes...
Who would you think the more likely of the two is? Tummy seems to have some trust in me know but it could be a bluff...I think Boro is the most likely and I've got a good idea of what I can say tomorrow if he is. I would say that I figured him to be the seer and was helping him along so that he could have a very vocal attack on somebody that is not a wolf and at the same time make him a suspect using fairly lame accusations in an attempt to keep the wolves off of him.
I'll just let you know I'm having an in depth look at the village and trying to narrow the list down for possible seers. Considering how long the thread is, this may take awhile...

tp and Boro will take especially long. I still don't think they look terribly seerish, but I still need to have a better look at them. It could be a good idea just to kill Boro regardless...he could be quite dangerous as an almost known innocent...

I need to read the thread later but I thought Shasta was so rushed to get tp saved... I had tried to pretend I'm getting a seer hint from him and went for tp and he runs in...? Could it be he actually is the seer?

He is very high on my list of toNight's kill.
Most Likely Not the Seer:

Gil: I think his inactivity says it all; he'd probably be around if he were one. And even if he was, it doesn't matter since he's not around.

Greenie: She was very helpful in providing lists. But her thoughts on people aren't consistent enough from Day to Day for a seer (such as going back and forth, and also suspecting innocent players she previously did think innocent).

Gwath: If he is the seer, he hasn't done a very good job (and after seeing him as the ranger, I think he'd make a good seer). He's just been very submarine-ish and hasn't really given any clear indication of innocence or guilt towards anyone.

Kath: Like Greenie, her lists and thoughts aren't consistent for a seer.

Not sure:

Nerwen: Looking at her posts, I don't see any indication of possible seerness, but I don't want to eliminate the possibility.

Rune: I'm doubtful that he is, but I can't be sure. The one person he's been consistent with is suspecting me, but that's quiet typical. And if he were a seer who dreamt of me, I think he'd go after me much more viciously.

Sally: Has been relatively quiet for herself, and I'm not sure which way that points to. Her comment toDay about "If I were the seer..." made me wonder. But then again, I would think a Sally seer wouldn't miss the opportunity to vote for a rep.

Boromir: He doesn't make lists, which makes it so much more difficult. If he were the seer, I'd say he dreamt of tp on Night 1 and Aganzir on Night 2. Or perhaps that's what he wants us to think. But what throws me off are his comments about Nogrod. On Day 2, he kept saying, "I would feel uncomfortable lynching Nogrod today, I need more time on him." So if he were a seer, it'd be logical for him to dream Nogrod. But then the next Day he finds Nogrod innocent and votes him as rep. The odds are either 1) Boro set up a ploy to make us think he's the seer, but by assuming Noggie's innocent, it has backfired, or 2) Boro is the seer and he's lying about Nogrod's innocence so that we don't think he is the seer (though that is a bit risky because if he dies at Night and the others are left to trace his steps, they'll assume Nogrod's innocent). So I think option one is more likely, but we can't be sure.

Possible seers:

Ilya: She's in the category simply because her suspicions towards innocence has been pretty consistent. If she were the seer, her dreams would possibly be: Greenie, Lommy, Boromir, or Rune. The only thing that makes me doubt seerness is that she's a newbie and I don't know how likely it'd be for Fea to assign her such an important role.

Lommy: Again, she's consistent. Based on her posts, her dreams would be something like: Night 1: Legate. Night 2: Ka Night 3: Sally or Kath. I think the first two dreams would make sense for Lommy to choose based on meta-reasons.

tp: Okay, it's possible he's the seer as there are some seerish qualities in his posts. Though I think he could be just as easily setting up his posts to have us think he's the seer (as he said himself). If he were the seer, his dreams would be: Night 1: Boromir. Night 2: Aganzir. Night 3: Not as sure...possibly Kath or Sally. He plays so risky and makes things so obviously, I still think he's not the seer and trying to set us up. But still, we can't eliminate him as a possibility.
I'd be happiest with killing Lommy or Shasta. Lommy looked pretty innocent by most toDay and Shasta will be another practically known innocent with his decisive vote. And these two look like the most likely seers to me.

If it's between tp and Boro, I would want to kill Boro. Not because of the possibility of him being a seer, but because I'm guessing that toMorrow a lot of people will see him as innocent and that could make it dangerous for us.
I would like to hear Nogrod's take on Lommy the Seer. I think those quotes you provided would indicate that she early on dreampt of Ka and was just waiting to be able to lynch her without arousing our suspicion...still I want to kill Boro
The thing I have with Shasta is his rapid jump to save tp (it really looked he was in a terrible hurry). I mean, I don't think he has been that positive about tp on the earlier Days. Him being the seer would explain those things.

I haven't thought of Lommy as a seer but this is for the lack of personal insight into it rather than not thinking it perfectly possible.

Boro then? I understand your points morm but I still think he is bluffing that seer thing (or then double-bluffing us). His wishing to have me around might be genuine but it doesn't mean he thinks I'm innocent. Quite on the contrary I'd say. The more Days those two stay around the harder it will for them to be believable - unless the seer comes forwards.

I think it's not so much that Shasta went through the effort of saving tp, but that he condemned Ka that looks seerish. Because all Day he kept talking about how he wanted to lynch tp and if he had dreamt him as innocent, I don't think he would've done that. Meanwhile in previous Days, he kept saying he wanted a closer look at Ka. As soon as Ka came into the picture as a lynching candidate, he started to back off on tp then said he would be interested in voting Ka. So I think he dreamt of her, not tp. Also, I want to point out this:
I really, really, really want to double lynch Phantom and Boro, just because of their little stunt. I like how Phantom claims that it was done because Agan was "a lynching distraction to the rest of the Ordos"... completely ignoring the fact that he himself is probably the biggest distraction of all, so by that logic, should have tried to get himself killed.

If you were going to try that ploy, why not on Gil, Gwath, or Ka? Why backstab someone who was actively contributing? Hardly seems fair to me. I'm sure Agan wasn't expecting to be backstabbed by a fellow innocent (if, indeed, you are, which I'm really beginning to doubt).
In the WW game I modded, Shasta was the ranger and successfully protected Kath. He wasn't allowed to protect her the next Night, so of course she died. Shasta was incredibly frustrated about this. I even have a quote from that game:
Why Kath?! She hadn't even gotten to play yet!
Plus he PMed me, stating that he really thought Kath deserved an explanation for her death.

The reason I bring this up is because his frustrations towards tp's claims that he "sacrificed" Aganzir remind me of that other game. Which makes me think it even more likely that he was a seer who dreamt of Aganzir and is upset that a known innocent is dead.

As for Lommy, the main reasons I suspect her of seerness is that her thoughts of players I mentioned as possible dreams match up from Day to Day....and those dreams are of players I can imagine her choosing. There's also this:
4) The Seer has almost certainly checked us by now.
Really, forget about that nonsense. Why would s/he have? Many seers leave loud players aloud just because it's easier to read them or they might get killed and focus on the submarines...
I could imagine Lommy the seer getting frustrated at tp for his certainty that he and Boro were dreamt because she in fact hadn't dreamt of either of them.

So in order, who I'd like to kill:

1) Shasta. He looks the most seerish out of everyone in my opinion. And I can see it amusing Fea greatly to give him such a role to test him after everyone called him psychic (and if she hadn't given him the seer role, I think she would've made him a wolf which he obviously is not). Also, if we kill Shasta, even if he's not the seer Nogrod can try to defend his vote saying he thought Shasta was giving a seer hint pointing towards tp's guilt. If Shasta's alive, it won't be as easy to use that defense since bringing up the possibility of Shasta as the seer may look suspicious in itself.

2) Lommy. If I'm horribly wrong and Shasta's not the seer, then I think she is. Because compared to other players, she looks most likely.

3) Boromir. He's a dangerous fellow, but probably not the seer. I'd like to see him dead sometime soon, but not until after we get the seer. I also worry that his death could possibly lead some negative trails back to us.

Perhaps we should ask Fea if we can have one kill per wolf. That would make life much easier. But then again, she denied our request to kill the seer so she probably wouldn't grant this request either.
The problem is I was so sure Boro was an ordo pretending to be a seer pretending to be an ordo pretending to be a seer. So very complicated... :rolleyes:
Okay Shasta or Lommy are fine with me but if tummy or Boro turn out to be the seer, you both should eat a shoe. However if Shasta or Lommy are I will eat one.

Nogrod, I'm going between Shasta and Lommy. Obviously Brinn prefers Shasta...what is you take?
Okay, I've thought about it and I think it's more strange that Lommy has moderately suspected Ka the whole time but not with any real gusto but she started the lynch against her. My vote is to go for her tonight. I don't think we will hear from Noggie in time so what do you say Brinn, Shasta or Lommy?
Hmm...it's a tough choice as either of them could easily be the seer. But I think I'd rather go for Shasta toNight...because even if he doesn't turn out to be the seer, he's basically gonna be a known innocent toMorrow for that vote...even more so than Lommy. Plus, his death could give Nogrod the opportunity to defend himself, as I mentioned earlier.

So my vote is for Shasta. If he isn't the seer, we can go after Lommy the next Night...unless something big happens toMorrow
I've asked myself this, of our two candidates who is more likely the seer and I think I am now persuaded to Shasta and here is why. Based on the voting who is more likely to be the seer. I looked at it this way; what are the odds that Lommy would have dreampt of Ka, her vote was not made to save phantom so it's not an issue of her dreaming of him. I don't think it's very likely that she would have dreampt of Ka because Ka was more or less a non-entity and not a big player, she doesn't strike me as an early dream candidate. Shasta on the other hand seemed to want to save tummy who is a much more likely candidate for a dream, although the same could and should be said about Boro, but like you said he could be bluffing. Shasta is far more likely to vote Ka to save phantom because he knows tummy is innocent and he knows that Ka is not the seer so why not take a chance...however in his case this turned against him becasue while he bagged a wolf he exposed himself. I will send off the vote to Fea.

It would be nice to kill off Lommy if for no other reason than to free up computer time for Noggie.
Apparently we're allowed to PM for seven more minutes...

So let me say gosh darn....I was really hoping to be right. But oh well, at least killing him wasn't the worst idea. But I'm all for getting Lommy toMorrow Night unless something major occurs toDay.
Okay Shasta or Lommy are fine with me but if tummy or Boro turn out to be the seer, you both should eat a shoe.
I won't only eat a shoe, I'll eat an entire boot.

[Brinniel]

Obviously I don't have much in way of PMs, but I'll share my thoughts.

After Boro's reveal and the loss of my mates, there was no way I'd take any risks so the seer was my obvious choice. As I told Fea:
Since my mates got double lynched, surely it'd only be fair to double kill Boromir and tp. :p

What, that's not allowed?

Very well. I'll just settle for Boromir then. No surprise there. ;)

And of course, I also killed tp for obvious reasons. Having not to think about my kills made the first two Nights easier for me.

On Night 7, as I mentioned, I really thought I was gonna get lynched the following Day. There were times I considered Lommy, Nerwen, Greenie, or Kath for my kill, but I felt that anyone I killed would somehow be traced back to me. Plus being away on holiday, I didn't have much time to consider a kill. So I decided instead of being a boring wolf and killing someone, I'd just not kill at all. This is what I said to Fea:
Hmm...my kill choices have been too predictable of late and since I might be a goner toMorrow, I want to keep this interesting. Can I strategically choose not to kill anyone? (Well, as long as you don't mention the whole strategic part in the narration...otherwise it'll destroy my whole purpose to create chaos. ) At such a critical time for a WW like me, I'd be amused to see what sort of reactions a no-kill would receive.
Let's just say Fea was rather amused by the idea too. :D

Rune was someone I really wanted to get out of the way. Even though he didn't end up voting me, I couldn't count on him not doing it again. I didn't want to give him another opportunity to lynch me. And the fact that he was regarded as fairly innocent made it convenient to me since his death wouldn't necessarily be traced back to me.

I had a long debate over killing Kath or Lommy. I felt more comfortable about having Lommy around...she had two other people she was suspecting and neither was me. While Kath stated she was inclined to think me innocent, she didn't seem to have strong opinions about the other players. I thought of the two, she'd be more likely to change her mind about me than Lommy. I did worry that by leaving Lommy alive, it could point to Nerwen's innocence...but then I remembered Greenie as the other possible lynch candidate, plus I could always argue the possibility that Nerwen was bluffing. I debated so much over this, I was late to the show of the Nutcracker I went to see right afterwards (though I can't say WW was only to blame as I also misread the showtimes...).

So there you have it. All the reasons behind the Nightly kills. As requested.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

:D I'm so glad to actually have a plan work for once. I was stinging a bit after that game where Isabellkya was the Ranger.

Great job, Brinn. I always have the hardest time believing you to be evil (even though you were in my first game).

And very well played to everyone else. :)

[Thinlómien]

I would have been far less relaxed during the Days had I known that the wolves were considering killing me about every Night... :eek::D

[the phantom]

Missing anyone? Nope don't think so.
Me neither.
I'm not so sure. It seems you're at least one player short, but I can't figure who.

Thanks for providing the PMs, Brin. Those are always a fun read.
Boro and tp, you two drove me nuts!
Heh heh. Thank you. :D
A question to everyone. Why did you think it such a big deal that the wolves would do their best to make one or two of them representatives early in the game? There was much talk about that and people made their suspicions based on that presumption - which was totally crazy. I mean we had no hurry to make sure one of us is a rep, there was no reason for that kind of exposure.
I think people thought of that because there'd be no pressing reason for the Werewolves not to promote their fellows to be Reps. On one hand is the idea that the WWs would wish to avoid links, and on the other hand they would like to have lots of voting power. Who is to say which path a particular group of Werewolves will take? Hey- why not have all four Wolves vote for each other occasionally? It would seem too obvious to actually be true to most. So why not take the free power?

Unless of course people assumed that the Wolves were doing that. But then it would be just as likely for people to assume the no-links pattern of behavior. I dunno... this sort of set up was wide open for any sort of behavior, and there's no certain correct way to play it.
I would have been far less relaxed during the Days had I known that the wolves were considering killing me about every Night...
Oh, Lommy, you should feel honored by it. Personally, I'd much rather be Night-killed than left around forever and watch the days tick by and feel the pressure to lynch correctly mount.

Anyway, nice going Brin. Your late game performance was very good. I doubt I would have suspected you then had I not received bad vibes from you earlier. As the game wore on you seemed to really hit your stride. And the no-kill was a historic move. Well done.

Nog deserves some credit for making Ilya and Gwath into more attractive lynching targets. Without that, Brin may have moved up the lynch line.

Kudos to morm for walking the fine line on Day 3. It was a tough spot to continue trying to lynch Boro while trying to look like you were being reasonable with me. You came across as very genuine. On one hand I thought that a true Ordo-morm who was trying to trust me would be willing to let Boro go for the day, but morm didn't give up and did his best to look innocent despite it, and without Shasta he may have succeeded.

And I'm very glad KA died when she did. Without her being done in then Boro probably would not have revealed and then we'd be in a mess. KA simply had the misfortune of being the only available target to save Boro and I. Without that, she may have outlasted some of her fellows.

Boro- wow, that was fun! No game should be allowed to take place without you in it. You multiply the fun in a way that few others can.

To the mods- thank you for providing such fun. The idea was fantastic! And I loved how you posted on the thread from time to time. It was very unique. I hope we entertained you.

Steve- thanks for providing a classic narrative that will live forever in my mind.

*shuffles back to bed- sick yet AGAIN- third or fourth time this fall, grrrrr*

[Mithalwen]

To the mods- thank you for providing such fun. The idea was fantastic! And I loved how you posted on the thread from time to time. It was very unique. I hope we entertained you.



You did - it was most diverting.. if I were picky I would say we would have liked a filibuster but there you go.

All in all I am exceedingly glad that I didn't inadvertantly ruin the whole thing on night one when I very nearly copied Boro in to a PM to Fea that contained the whole cast list.... be assured his success in picking wolufs was all his own work... but Aieeee

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Steve- thanks for providing a classic narrative that will live forever in my mind.

Oh, Steve...

[mormegil]

Mith, are you wonderful awards coming? I do like them so.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Hey everyone,

I have kind of stayed away from the barrow-downs since the end of the game, it simply angered me too much and I was actually considering giving Negative Reputation. . . . For some time it seemed reasonable that if you can give Reputation for a ww game then you can also give the opposite.

In genneral I thought it was an incredible game, obviously because of Boro, Phantom and Fea. I my self had much fun playing, until it reached the latter stages where I felt I was on my own and did not get much respons to my theories.

What annoyed me very much was that in this game I decided to give my usual suspects the benefit of the doubt and they all turned out wolves (exept for Boro, but I don't have as much of a tradition for suspecting him). Morm, had me totaly fooled, I did get bad vibes from Nogrod, but disregarded it because I always suspect him. . .I did say we should lynch Brinn, but when I had it in my power to do so, I decided to go for Ilya. . . just because I get Brinn killed and she is always innocent.

Basicly I will never ever give any of my usual suspects the benefit of the doubt again and I will lynch Brinn as soon as I get the chance.

I am still debating whether I should sign up for a game soon to redeem my self or if I should just stay away from ww for a long time.

Anyways as I said it was very entertaining game and I quite like the consept where you vote for Representatives, it would be good to try again sometime.

[Boromir88]

Thank you tp and the same for you, at least since you turned out innocent. I doubt I would have been having as much fun if you were a wolf.

Brinn, Nog, you may be eating boots, but at least you're dining in victory. And thank you for the PMs because now I see what a sneaky devil Ka is. :p

I can't thank Shasta, enough, because I really think that move voting for the Ka and being so obvious to protect the phantom saved the village from a complete annhilation. I don't know if they would have gone with Lommy over me at night, but I think that move definitely saved my butt.

It's wierd because voting for Nog as a rep, was one of those very few unintentional moves I did that might have also given me another night. That's what I found funny, because everything else, and the off-the-wall insanity was to honour our fabulous mods. I knew I wasn't picked, because they wanted to see a safe and conservative seer, and I just wished I could have given them a filibuster they had been dying to see. But one of the things that possibly protected me the most (voting for Nog as a rep) was obviously unintentional.

The day 2 fight with Nogrod, I ended up backing away because as I said in the game, it felt like he was trying to bait me into saying something. That's when I became a little suspicious of you, because it looked like you thought if I was the seer, I had dreamed of you and you were trying to get me to "reveal." But, I hadn't dreamt of you, so I backed away, said I'd leave you for another day, and specifically tried to end it by referring to the Lommy and Agan argument on Day 1.

That night, I dreamt of morm, and that was a complete stroke of luck. I told Fea I had absolutely no idea who the wolves were and within 30 seconds of finding out Eonwe's role I pretty much took a name out of a hat and struck fur. :D

The reason I ended up voting for you as rep, Nog, on the next day was because I liked your approach to the tp/boro stuff that everyone was talking about. I wanted to get another rep in there, and you had convinced me you would be more fair and judicious about it (boy was I wrong haha). However, luckily (well for me at least) that turned into your undoing, because it was such a big turn. Also, I knew morm was a wolf, he was a rep, and I did not want him deciding things in the end. That's when I made such an obvious move to try to save tp and filibuster, but Shasta cross-voted and made it irrelevant. (But I love how you played along Shasta, very nice. I had considered making you a tasty target like Agan, but thought since everyone knew what tp and I had done with Agan, if we tried the same with you, it'd be too obvious).

Then really Ka turning out to be a wolf (another stroke of luck) was the last nail in the coffin for you Nogrod. I know you have no quarrels about lynching your own, but I also know you don't do it flipantly, and with the known wolf morm still as a rep to vote, it was just too obvious and you had to be the next dream.

Just an example of how crazy I am (if you don't believe that already). The night I had dreamt of morm, I thought by the way Rune and morm interacted before that Rune was also a wolf. So, I was contemplating a plan to make Rune believe I had dreamt of him, that he was a wolf, and thinking I would have gotten two wolves with just one dream. I like risks, but I knew that probably would have been way too risky. So, I went with a revised version, and went after morm for no apparent reason, while trying to suck in another wolf. To which again I say sorry Rune for pulling a horrible trap on an innocent, after you made that statement, I definitely started doubting my reasons against you and tried to stress to everyone I started thinking you were innocent.

[mormegil]

So you didn't really suspect me just make a dumb lucky guess...that makes me slightly madder actually.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Poor mormy... I was on your side the whole time, buddy.

[mormegil]

Poor mormy... I was on your side the whole time, buddy.

No you weren't!!! I told you every night that I wanted to kill the so and so unless they weren't the seer and then simply kill the seer for me. I even tried to encourage you with how wonderful how you would write the narrative but you wouldn't do it.:mad:

[Mithalwen]

Mith, are you wonderful awards coming? I do like them so.

Oh blimey - I had forgotten about that - I don't know if I would presume as a mere co-moddess. And I am afraid I didn't follow the latter stages as closely as I would have liked due to my dad being ill in hospital all last week.

So that might have to be an incentive for you to play my game.... :D Which would be fabulous - need the return of the Mormegil effect.

However if the co-modddesses help something might be contrived. I might have a quiet afternoon at work.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

However if the co-modddesses help something might be contrived. I might have a quiet afternoon at work.

Can't... working most of the day then going home for the holidays. I won't have legitimate computer access for who even knows how long...

[Boromir88]

Poor mormy... I was on your side the whole time, buddy.~Fea
So, that's why you kept waiting to see what I had planned? And after getting Nogrod, were dying to see the double-wolf lynch with tp filibuster. :p