Tol-in-Guarhoth CIX - Ten Year Anniversary Game: Dead Thread

[Aganzir]

Okay. I'm going to bed.

I am authorising phantom to vote for me.

Preferably to create a tie because it's 2.30 and I'm grumpy and I don't trust Nilp one bit and the living don't deserve any information, but really, use it as you deem necessary.

And if something happens and you require my presence, ask phantom for my number. Surely somebody has to be able to text. :p

[the phantom]

I still don't understand why the Ranger and Lover haven't stepped out. Don't they realize there is a 1/3 chance one of them is about to get lynched, and that if there is a last-minute voting frenzy the Dead won't be able to do a thing about it?

[Rikae]

Greenie > Nerwen
Nog > Nerwen (2)
Rikae > Shasta

Left to vote:
the phantom (Nerwen-"dreamed"? innocent)
Aganzir (hunter)
Legate of Amon Lanc (known innocent)
Firefoot (one of Nerwen's innocents)

Loslote (wolf)
Macalaure (wolf)

Lalaith
Rune Son of Bjarne

Even if all four of you vote Nilp, the wolves could vote Nerwen and cause a tie.
Although that's preferable to false information.

If Lal or Rune deliberately fouls things up, well, we'll know the identity of another wolf.

[Aganzir]

I don't trust Nilp to give him vote (especially as some are contemplating voting him and thus it's fairly likely he'll be voting to save his skin, so we would effectively be giving our votes to a random person who just happens to have the most votes after Nilp. THAT MUST NOT HAPPEN!!!).
This.

[the phantom]

And by that last post I'm sort of implying the other Lover and Ranger have already been dreamed. (Eomer/Shasta/Lommy)

Because otherwise this situation wouldn't make sense.

[the phantom]

If Lal or Rune deliberately fouls things up, well, we'll know the identity of another wolf.
Heh, I almost want to offer them the chance just to see if they take it. :D

[Macalaure]

I like the idea of a tie. Shows the living that the dead failed to get their act together 2 out of 3 times. :p :Merisu:

Confidence-booster. :p

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Even if all four of you vote Nilp, the wolves could vote Nerwen and cause a tie.
Although that's preferable to false information.

If Lal or Rune deliberately fouls things up, well, we'll know the identity of another wolf.

It would be kinda nice, but I am just unhappy - why does it have to be Nilp of all people? Why not even someone who doesn't show up, like Kath? Not that we have much of a choice, and the space to maneuver is really getting thinner by the day.

[Aganzir]

I like the idea of a tie. Shows the living that the dead failed to get their act together 2 out of 3 times.
:D meanie.

Phantom, you okay with voting for me?

[Aganzir]

Also, over 3 pages in less than 2 hours. :D

[Aganzir]

Dead thread, it sounds like we have a quorum.
Well THANK YOU, Living thread. Didn't take you long at all.

[Aganzir]

Why Nilp, though? Anything about his votes or interactions, or just a general sense of discomfort that he's survived this long?

As a fellow Warg-enthusiast, and my cousin, I am uneasy about him being the 'shot in the dark.'
Is this directed at Lommy? Wasn't Eomer suspicious of him? :rolleyes:

[the phantom]

Btw, we didn't botch the Dead Thread bonus vote the first day, it's just that Nog kept wanting to vote for Lalaith and I didn't, plus I knew we had zero impact on the outcome and zero information to signal.

Basically we didn't agree and I (maybe we) didn't care enough to make it work. The no-empowerment result was rather good in my book. :)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I like the idea of a tie. Shows the living that the dead failed to get their act together 2 out of 3 times. :p :Merisu:

Confidence-booster.

http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd339/polomaci/bd/hsshut.jpg (http://s529.photobucket.com/user/polomaci/media/bd/hsshut.jpg.html)

[the phantom]

Yes, if it's allowed of course I'm willing to cast your vote, my lion.

[Macalaure]

http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd339/polomaci/bd/hsshut.jpg (http://s529.photobucket.com/user/polomaci/media/bd/hsshut.jpg.html)

:d :d

[the phantom]

People keep not wanting to vote for Nilp (signalling our true information), but I'm willing to thus far. I mean- Sally just defended him again, and he's been her leading Lover suspect from her very first post (of course that could be a clever ploy, but we noted it on the very first day that those two might be Lovers).

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay okay, enough of this (sorry Mac, you asked for it :D )

I am just worried now that what if we really do influence the lynch in some bad way now if we vote for Nilp... I mean what is worse, not passing info to the Living or totally messing up vote!

But I've been thinking here too long, apparently...

[Aganzir]

http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd339/polomaci/bd/hsshut.jpg (http://s529.photobucket.com/user/polomaci/media/bd/hsshut.jpg.html)
Legate!!! :D :D

Yes, if it's allowed of course I'm willing to cast your vote, my lion.
Thank you! Votes of gold are always cold but a phantom's votes are warm.
Kuru, if you don't allow this and I've stayed up for nothing, I'll find out where you live and spraypaint ++KURUHARAN on the facade. Not that I'd dare to threaten our esteemed mod, sorry if it came across that way. Puppy eyes.

And I can now sign off happily and get some 5+ hours of sleep. (Even if somebody texts me I probably won't wake up.)

[Aganzir]

(Also I burst out laughing whenever Lommy says "morm and Form". Yeah I know I'm tired but it makes me think they're Tweedledum and Tweedledee.)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Fine. On my head it be, apparently.

++Nilp

Well! Managed to vote two hours since I've said I'm gonna go in 15 minutes, look at that. I am slowly overtaking Nogrod's place. (I envy the man. He is happily cozy in his bed, not aware at all of the concerns of humankind. Er, deadkind.)

I implore those of you who are going to stay awake: be sensible.

Good night.

[Aganzir]

I am slowly overtaking Nogrod's place. (I envy the man. He is happily cozy in his bed, not aware at all of the concerns of humankind. Er, deadkind.)
Died laughing. Oh how the tables have turned. :D :D :D

[the phantom]

I implore those of you who are going to stay awake: be sensible.
Don't tell me what to do. You're limiting my freedom and fun by doing so.

;)

[Macalaure]

Come on you people, I'm waiting! :)

Nilp 1, Shasta 2, Nerwen 1

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Don't tell me what to do. You're limiting my freedom and fun by doing so.

;)

That sounds like what Nog said to your schemes on Day 1.

Anyway, of course I wouldn't dare to insult you by implying you might be sensible! Far from it!

G'night!

[the phantom]

That sounds like what Nog said to your schemes on Day 1.
Among others... Which is why I said it. Can't resist poking a bit of fun.

And I've seen a couple Living talking about voting Eomer?! Wasn't he taken off the list by the Seer?

[Firefoot]

Jeez, this is a nightmare.

I'm fine with voting for Nilp to convey accurate information, or Nerwen to potentially convey no information. Just so we're not giving them wrong information.

Lommy is swinging wildly back and forth in my estimation... good for her for getting this going, and I fully support her McCaber vote, but changing the scheme like that was awful.

[the phantom]

But of course LoverSally just listed McCaber as most innocent (along with herself and Nerwen).

I say again- if the other Lover and the Ranger haven't already been dreamed then they have no excuse not to speak out and remove themselves from the debate. Lack of information is not remotely helpful.

[the phantom]

Back in 20-30 minutes. No worries if I'm not responding.

[Rikae]

If Nilp gets empowered, it should really involve an anime gif.

[Kuruharan]

I'm sorry, giving your vote to another person for them to use is not allowed.

I know the deadline is hard on the Europeans and I am very sorry about that. :(

If only the earth was flat...

[Macalaure]

Thank you for the ruling, oh mod. :)

[Rikae]

Oh, come on.

You guys HAVE to empower Nilp's vote to Nilp himself. It's just too perfect.

[Loslote]

Oh, come on.

You guys HAVE to empower Nilp's vote to Nilp himself. It's just too perfect.

It would make for a GREAT narration. ;)

[the phantom]

If you are around make yourself known immediately-Lalaith, Rune, or Agan.

But more than likely they are asleep, leaving Firefoot and I with the two known Wolves.

Firefoot- is there any point whatsoever in voting Nerwen? It wouldn't signal accurate info and the lynch is as good as settled after Nilp self-voted, right?

I'd love to empower his self-vote (for entertainment sake).

[Firefoot]

I agree, I think a Nilp vote is our best bet. I really hope there's someone else around, otherwise the village is getting wrong information tonight, I think. Their own fault, really.

[the phantom]

We'd better hold our votes for the moment in case anyone shows up.

[the phantom]

Well, Mac and Lottie- can we make an agreement on the value of humor?

(i.e. empowering a suicide vote)

[the phantom]

The Living suck. Less than 20 minutes to go and I think five still haven't voted.

[Firefoot]

Yeah, this village is terrible.

[the phantom]

Mac, Lottie- you two still there?

Nilp's got four now. Want to empower his self-vote just to see how Kuru narrates it?

[Firefoot]

*whispers* Maybe they'll miss the vote...

[Firefoot]

Are we gaining anything by holding out at this point?

[the phantom]

They're probably sitting there with two or three posting windows open, prepared to vote for multiple candidates. :p

Come on, you two, just go with the humor thingummy for today.

[the phantom]

Why are the Living holding out? (and not even talking?)

[the phantom]

Vote is settled. Nilp is dead.

[the phantom]

Can only post every 30 seconds, so may as well cast votes now.

[Firefoot]

++Nilp

[Loslote]

++Shasta

[the phantom]

It's the village's fault if the vote is messed up. Like someone already said.

[Macalaure]

++Shasta

[the phantom]

++Nilp

[Kuruharan]

Votes after this post don't count.

[Macalaure]

Sorry for dragging the vote out so much, btw.

What if Agan, or someone else, had popped up out of nowhere.

[the phantom]

At least we didn't lie to them. In my mind that would've been the only potentially damaging scenario.

[Kuruharan]

As I suspect was the phantom's true goal, no empowerment out of this thread today.

[Macalaure]

It was a choice between no information and very likely correct information.

[the phantom]

It's fine, Mac. When you're handed a gift, why not take it? :rolleyes:

[Rikae]

Welcome, Nilp!

Anyone got a video to post? I'm out of ideas.

Also, Mac, where is your sense of humor?

[the phantom]

As I suspect was the phantom's true goal, no empowerment out of this thread today.
Indeed. There were only two acceptable choices- Nilp or tie. Interesting that the Wolves were unwilling to empower Nerwen, which they could have pulled off since she already had two votes.

[Firefoot]

I miscounted - I thought Shasta won. Well, that's good at least.

[Macalaure]

It's fine, Mac. When you're handed a gift, why not take it?
Just explaining why Shasta was preferable to Nerwen.

Also, Mac, where is your sense of humor?
It died when I did. :p

[Kuruharan]

The DAY...was frantic to say the least.

The lights swirled around each other in a frenzy...that was very pretty, actually.

Alas, it was a great sound a fury signifying nothing.

And suddenly, Nilpaurion Felagund was there.

...Cake..?

The Missing or Dead:
Kuruharan
Nogrod
the phantom
Rune Son of Bjarne
Aganzir
A Little Green (Prey)
Macalaure
Rikae
Legate of Amon Lanc (Prey)
Loslote
Firefoot
Lalaith
Nilpaurion Felagund

The Living:
Formendacil
satansaloser2005
McCaber
Boromir88
Nerwen
Thinlómien
Eomer of the Rohirrim
mormegil
Shastanis Althreduin
Mithalwen
Kath

Illusion:
Gwathagor (Ordo)

[Firefoot]

Come on you people, I'm waiting! :)

Nilp 1, Shasta 2, Nerwen 1

Actually I was thinking this was correct. Not sure if Mac miscounted or was deliberately misrepresenting the vote...

[the phantom]

Welcome to death (https://youtu.be/DXZdklHORUE), Nilp.

[Macalaure]

Actually I was thinking this was correct. Not sure if Mac miscounted or was deliberately misrepresenting the vote...

Now, I would never do that! :p

[Rikae]

So, Nilp, what are you?

[the phantom]

The inmates took plenty of time for hearty meals and pauses for thought.
heh heh

[Firefoot]

Next order of business... who are we scrying tonight?

My first choice would probably be Lalaith.

Nilp's suicide vote actually has me leaning toward his innocence, but who knows. He has been posting lists, though I'm a little unclear about order of the severity of his labels sometimes, but it's possible knowing his orientation could provide some additional information.

Also, just an observation... Rikae was clearly around for the vote, so why vote so early?

[the phantom]

The Living are so good at creating last-minute drama. Hats off to them (https://youtu.be/vOiSdkqx1do).

[Rikae]

Next order of business... who are we scrying tonight?

My first choice would probably be Lalaith.

Nilp's suicide vote actually has me leaning toward his innocence, but who knows. He has been posting lists, though I'm a little unclear about order of the severity of his labels sometimes, but it's possible knowing his orientation could provide some additional information.

Also, just an observation... Rikae was clearly around for the vote, so why vote so early?

I thought I made that pretty clear...?

I wanted Agan and Legate to feel comfortable voting for Shasta (according to Lommy's list at the time :mad:) and going to bed, given that my own role was unknown. Didn't want them to worry I'd jump up at the last minute and ruin the vote.

[the phantom]

Being sent to the Dead Thread is like being sent to the kid table (https://youtu.be/peCHkOswjaE).

[Rikae]

Also, the living asked for us to scry Lalaith, and I think we should oblige.

[the phantom]

Yeah, Lalaith makes the most sense. And hopefully they'll actually provide a way to send that info tomorrow. :rolleyes:

[Firefoot]

I thought I made that pretty clear...?

I wanted Agan and Legate to feel comfortable voting for Shasta (according to Lommy's list at the time :mad:) and going to bed, given that my own role was unknown. Didn't want them to worry I'd jump up at the last minute and ruin the vote.
Sorry, I read that while conversation in chunks and pieces on my phone the first time. Not trying to stir up unnecessary trouble.

[Rikae]

Sorry, I read that while conversation in chunks and pieces on my phone the first time. Not trying to stir up unnecessary trouble.

Well, I guess I didn't actually come out and explain it at the time, I just went with the flow.

Edit: I just mentioned the thing about wanting people to be able to go to bed, but not the rest

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Reading the Dead thread is like listening to a commentary track. Lovely. :D

Also, I would wish to have finished reading the thread before making a substantive (that word again) post.

(Don't worry, I'm halfway through page 5 now.)

*foreshadowing intensifies (http://puu.sh/ihPzU/0a9492e564.gif)*

[Kuruharan]

(Don't worry, I'm halfway through page 5 now.)


You're not even to the really good stuff yet.

[Aganzir]

Welcome Nilp!

The living narration fits nicely with phantom's theory.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Again, Nilp was among the first to start talking about a communication plan. However, all he gave was an idea - nothing about the details of carrying it out. It was similar yesterday and it took Firefoot to get it going (why are you dead dear?). I'm wondering if he's trying to appear helpful without committing, or if taking control and making decisions just doesn't come naturally to him.This makes me giggle.

I devoted much of my available time coming up with elaborates plots to get Wolves-senpai to notice us (including a 'counter'-revelation, a fake Ranger reveal, plotting how to kill everyone and make it a true Lover victory, etc.) as well as wondering why there are two 'special' roles (Is Boro a Wolf? Is Nerwen one? Why does the tablecloth have red stripes?) That's my excuse.

So anyway, Sally did the revealing (http://i.imgur.com/zlNxjfr.gif) while I did the dying (puu.sh/ihWVu/27984fc49d.gif). Basically we wasted this DAY's lynch on a non-Wolf. (Too bad the self-vote empowerment thing didn't work, but hey, assuming she's not Dead in 72 hours, I can take any information you might have with me.)

EDIT: Crossed with Agan. Hi! o/ Still awake?

[Aganzir]

Sitting in the metro (um phone what the hell why are you suggesting Manila as my next word?) drinking an energy drink. I regret nothing.

I can't believe phantom was right about the clue in sally's first post.

[Aganzir]

Granted I started to believe it too half an hour ago when you didn't actually die in the narration.

If/when you go back to the living thread, can you YELL AT THEM NOT TO EVER LEAVE THE VOTE PLAN SO LATE!?!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Sitting in the metro (um phone what the hell why are you suggesting Manila as my next word?) drinking an energy drink. I regret nothing.

I can't believe phantom was right about the clue in sally's first post.Well, we did have history. The first thing we told each other after Kuru told us our roles was that it's destiny.

I'd not recommend Manila right now. It gets to 40 here (that's 104 for the Americans.) It is melting me.

Anyway, for what it's worth, this was the punchline of me asking about the Lovers' gender composition. Kinda lame, isn't it?

[Aganzir]

Oh, come on.

You guys HAVE to empower Nilp's vote to Nilp himself. It's just too perfect.
Thanks for making me laugh in public :D :D

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Granted I started to believe it too half an hour ago when you didn't actually die in the narration.

If/when you go back to the living thread, can you YELL AT THEM NOT TO EVER LEAVE THE VOTE PLAN SO LATE!?!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:Apologies for that. I'd thought of doing the detailed plans myself (I swear) but my democratic upbringing is urging me to leave it up for discussion. I forgot how easy it is to ignore me when I'm being sane. （　´_ゝ`）

[Aganzir]

Well, we did have history. The first thing we told each other after Kuru told us our roles was that it's destiny.

I'd not recommend Manila right now. It gets to 40 here (that's 104 for the Americans.) It is melting me.

Anyway, for what it's worth, this was the punchline of me asking about the Lovers' gender composition. Kinda lame, isn't it?
Well... Whoever it was, sally could probably have said it was destiny. ;) :p

[Aganzir]

Indeed. There were only two acceptable choices- Nilp or tie. Interesting that the Wolves were unwilling to empower Nerwen, which they could have pulled off since she already had two votes.
Makes sense though. Legate is a proven prey and it's obviously so much more fun to tell them he's a wolf!

[Aganzir]

...Scratch that, I kept thinking Mac's tally was correct. :mad: :D

[the phantom]

Well, well, this just teaches me to generally trust first impressions, right? :D

I never thought you looked particularly guilty, but when you continued not to reveal minute after minute I really began to doubt you were the other Lover, because I couldn't figure why a Lover would allow himself to die (as opposed to at least taking a shot at a Wolf). The back-from-dead thing is merely a perk in case Lovers are night killed- the true power of Lovers is the fact that they can prove one another and thus are the same as having two additional Seer-dreamed innocents removed from the possible lynching suspects. But anyway, we still should be able to win this.

If there's still two packs alive let's see how Nilp would return from the Dead-
(1) Both packs go for Nerwen tonight, are foiled by the Ranger, and return for her the following night.
(2) The packs go for Nerwen & Boro, one of them is foiled by the Ranger, the last of one of the packs is lynched tomorrow, and the other pack re-attempts the kill the following night.

I would've put an option for Sally being the kill tonight and the Ranger stopping it, but seriously, how can the WWs not try and kill Nerwen? One more double-dream and the WWs will be as good as dead. So yeah, at this stage maybe Nilp will get to return to the Living because his partner isn't a priority target. But he'll have to wait another day-night cycle and it's possible the game will be over by then depending on what happens with the lynch, the night-kills, and the assassin role.

[Aganzir]

May I suggest that it won't accomplish very much for the dead to give a vote to Lottie?
I was going to suggest we empower Lottie when I saw Lommy's list but apparently forgot about it. :p

Now I'm just going to skim the thread before voting. One thing I'd like to suggest is that toMorrow we try to set up a way of asking about Living players? What do you think?
Good planning. Especially if the seer will be dead. ;)

Ach, Lommy was sleepy when she made that list. It won't affect anything.
And we weren't sleepy at all when the living wasted hours changing lists. :mad:

[Loslote]

Of course, it's likely the Ranger foiled a kill last Night - presumably for either Nerwen or Sally - and that pack would know a) that this is their window to finish that person off, and b) that in the case that the person they tried to kill was Sally, the Ranger would almost certainly be protecting Nerwen. The other pack, not knowing this, must of course go for Nerwen in this situation. If, on the other hand, the save last Night was Nerwen, I'm sure we'll have both packs pile onto her toNight. So I think we can probably assume that either Sally or Nerwen will die toNight. ;)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I never thought you looked particularly guilty, but when you continued not to reveal minute after minute I really began to doubt you were the other Lover, because I couldn't figure why a Lover would allow himself to die (as opposed to at least taking a shot at a Wolf).I hated not knowing stuff. And I was curious about the Dead thread. For all we (the living) know, all Gifteds could be dead and the Seer has more information than they could send--and there could even be bonus vote information transfer mishaps, like toDAY's. (And yeah, knowing that I have a way of getting information from the Dead also contributed to my not being as thorough with the list plan thingy as I could have.)

Now that I think about it realised that I could have just revealed myself and then hoped the Ranger could protect one of us. Then again, I didn't know if the Ranger's still alive. So yeah, it all come down to how I hated not knowing anything.</notJonSnow>

So anyway, who are we uncloaking (heh) toNIGHT?

[Aganzir]

Now that I think about it realised that I could have just revealed myself and then hoped the Ranger could protect one of us. Then again, I didn't know if the Ranger's still alive. So yeah, it all come down to how I hated not knowing anything.</notJonSnow>?
Really though, the narration implied you didn't die. Looking at you and sally, I don't think it will be difficult for the wolves to figure out you were her lover. I certainly hope the ranger will be there to protect her next night.

Anyway, choosing tonight's scry will now be easier for us as we don't need to worry about yesterday's lynch. I'm also inclined to think Lalaith is a good plan.

[the phantom]

I suppose the Village will be terribly curious and assume we'll scry Nilp? :D

Problem is they have too many unknowns, more than they can give us voting options for (Nog, Rune, Rikae, Lalaith, Nilp). So they'll have to cut at least someone- maybe two. Since it's been so long I would guess they'd cut Rune from the list first, particularly as his identity means so little in terms of voting & suspicion. So I'd say he's entirely off the table.

Nilp is off the table for us, but maybe not for them (depending on what happens tomorrow/tonight etc.).

Mac and/or Lottie- do you think Lalaith is a competing Wolf and want to find out if your opponent lost a member during the night?

[Loslote]

Mac and/or Lottie- do you think Lalaith is a competing Wolf and want to find out if your opponent lost a member during the night?

I'd be willing to scry Lalaith. I'd also be interested in Rikae, but if we decide on Lalaith, that's fine, too. I'll vote with the majority on this one. ;)

[the phantom]

Anyway, past my bedtime. I'll be around for the final 8 hours or so.

[Aganzir]

Anyway, past my bedtime. I'll be around for the final 8 hours or so.
Glad to see somebody else is staying up too late for werewolf. :p

I'm at work and have stuff in the evening so I can't contribute massively today.

[Nogrod]

Congrats for making it here Nilp - and welcome!

The darker side of all this is that you have to spend here one Day-phase (checked the rules again just to be sure) - so it means Sally will have to survive two Nights. Add to that the wolves have 24 hours to notice there is no lynch in the narration (no thunk or chop!) and they have Sally's revelation... :(

But thumbs up for her to make it somehow.


After all the confusion the result of our voting was pretty decent (voting Nerwen would have naturally ended the same way as she didn't vote) so all's well that ends well. But I'm somewhat confused why the Living don't seem to get it we can't all wait for the DL (5am in Finland fex.) or that we have a bunch of wolves here causing all kind of problems.

Now I must admit I'm really looking forwards who'll join us after the Night is over! This game seems to be finally gathering some momentum. This has been like this season in the GoT: first cool to open, then getting a bit lame until starting to gear up towards the end. :cool:

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Wellcome, Nilp-san!

I thought I made that pretty clear...?

I wanted Agan and Legate to feel comfortable voting for Shasta (according to Lommy's list at the time :mad:) and going to bed, given that my own role was unknown. Didn't want them to worry I'd jump up at the last minute and ruin the vote.
Yeah, and I must take at least partly the blame. I was so thinking we might have a nice, decent voting there, and wanted the non-known innocents to vote first, Rikae kindly obliged, and right after that Lommy posted her "new and updated" list :rolleyes:

But anyway, special thanks to the phantom for saving the day *glares at Mac and Lottie*

Granted I started to believe it too half an hour ago when you didn't actually die in the narration.

If/when you go back to the living thread, can you YELL AT THEM NOT TO EVER LEAVE THE VOTE PLAN SO LATE!?!!!!! :mad:
Seconded. Though I hope after the no-empowerment this day, they might realise something was off. (I am actually pretty sure some of them know already and some are howling merrily about it, but hey. Could have been worse.)

Anyway, as for our check, I am also for Lalaith, like I said earlier. Nilp's coming here makes things much easier in that respect.

And I really hope Nilp makes it (resp sally makes it) for long enough to go back. Let's hope.

[Aganzir]

++Lalaith

I'd prefer to know her role sooner rather than later, especially as I won't be around a lot today. That way at least we can do some constructive analysis.

[Aganzir]

I'm sorry, giving your vote to another person for them to use is not allowed.

I know the deadline is hard on the Europeans and I am very sorry about that. :(

If only the earth was flat...
I found your house.


http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/Aganzir/house_zpspkqixtyc.png

[Kuruharan]

No you didn't. My house looks nothing like that.

However, now somebody in the suburbs of Richmond, Virginia (judging from the housing style) will be very confused waking up this morning to having ++Kuruharan spray painted on their garage...and that's kinda funny.

EDIT: I'm surprised nobody make an uncloaking joke before now.

[Nogrod]

List of possible checking-candidates in some kind of order (from least reasonable to the most reasonable).

A Little Green (Prey) - A mod-comfirmed goodie
Legate of Amon Lanc (Prey) - A mod-comfirmed goodie

Aganzir - All the facts known to us point at her being the hunter.

Nilpaurion Felagund - Self-confessed lover who's role will be known if he goes back to the Living thread in 72 hours.

Loslote - Self-confessed wolf.
Macalaure - Wolf named by Nerwen and somewhat comfirmed by his own actions.


Rune Son of Bjarne - No reason to think this or that, but totally vanishing makes one to think him an ordo - also very little to learn from his alignment.
Nogrod - An ordo known to himself to be one, not very much to learn from his alignment, but mayhaps the D1 -wagon (well you'd know it was a wagon between an ordo and most probably a hunter)


Firefoot - Ordo by Nerwen in stronger terms than the phantom ("pretty sure" vs. "looks"), then again there are both grounded suspicions and a wolf's head-on attack to consider. Might be good to check Nerwen's actual role first (so not checking her toNight)?

the phantom - If Nerwen is the seer (or someone receiving the dreams) it is possible he's a known (or guessed) innocent, but there is an amount of confusion there (like this riddle-stuff & al.) I wouldn't establish at any rate right now. Seeing how he dances around the DL and so vehemently trusted by some it might be good to know for sure (but Nerwen's role might shed light on him as well so maybe not toNight?).


Rikae - Could be anything with a longer trail in the thread than people above her in the list. A decently good pick.

Lalaith - The most enigmatic one and a long trail. One of our best bets.


Conclusion: I'm okay with Lalaith and Rikae, could be persuaded to tp or Firefoot but might wish to see my arguments (could wait for Nerwen's role) beaten before that.

[Firefoot]

No point in sitting on it then.

++Lalaith

[A Little Green]

Yesterday was obviously a good day to miss. What a mess. I'm more or less caught up on both threads and agree that Lalaith is probably our best bet toNight.

Also, if the Living keep leaving their voting plans that late, I'm not sure I can risk voting in the first place. YesterDay could have been a disaster (thanks guys for handling it that well!), and toMorrow might be worse especially if we have more than two known wolvsies in here by then. I second Agan - Nilp my dear, do scold them for us if you go back, won't you? :Merisu:

Incidentally, does someone have an up-to-date list of known and unknown roles, both living and dead? I think I'm in need of one, but feel too lazy to make one :D


EDIT: x-ed with Nog and Firefoot! Yay, company!

[Lalaith]

Lalaith - The most enigmatic one and a long trail. One of our best bets.

Well, self-reflection is always fascinating but I would of course rather find out all about Rikae or indeed you, dear Nog. All I know about you is that you are very generous and your Sancerre is quite delicious. Such an enormous glass, it sent me to sleep before the live thread had sorted themselves and their list out...phantom I'm not too worried about as Nerwen seems to have cleared him?

[Nogrod]

I'm holding my vote still before a few more voices gather around even if it feels pretty straightforward toNight - but if there is a major argument yet to come by someone we haven't yet realised I wouldn't like to cast my vote quite yet.

That said, I'd really appreciate getting to bed in some actually decent time tonight. I felt I went out soo early yesterday (almost feeling guilty) - but it was already 1.30am here then. So maybe a bit earlier today - especially if there is no big thing going on about anything major...

[Nogrod]

Incidentally, does someone have an up-to-date list of known and unknown roles, both living and dead? I think I'm in need of one, but feel too lazy to make one :DI'm actually feeling I'd need to go back and check what Nerwen has actually been saying so I might actually like to do that... (and hey, a good reason not to do the dishes!)


EDIT: You can check the dead on my post above.

[Loslote]

++Lalaith

[A Little Green]

The Dead

Unknown:
Nogrod
Rune Son of Bjarne
Rikae
Lalaith

Wolves:
Loslote
Macalaure

Innocents (?):
the phantom (hinted at by Nerwen)
Firefoot (likewise)
Nilpaurion Felagund (self-proclaimed Lover, I guess we'll find out soon enough)
Aganzir (probable Hunter)
A Little Green (Prey)
Legate of Amon Lanc (Prey)


The Living

Possibly have a role:
satansaloser2005 (self-proclaimed Lover)
Boromir88 (self-proclaimed Itch-Man)
Nerwen (self-proclaimed PM-receiver/psychic/something?)

Confused about these three (some of the villagers seemed to think Nerwen had cleared them or at least asked not to vote for them, but I read Nerwen's post about them as personal opinion rather than relayed information):
Thinlómien
Eomer of the Rohirrim
Shastanis Althreduin

Other living things:
Formendacil
McCaber
mormegil
Mithalwen
Kath


Am I up to date with this? I skimmed more than read parts of both threads so I might be missing something.


EDIT: x-ed with Lottie

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

EDIT: I'm surprised nobody make an uncloaking joke before now.Yeah I was disappointed about that as well.

Btw, Legate-san, were you the one who taught Lommy the word 'kawaii'? I (http://puu.sh/iigYR/17bad8779a.gif)f (http://puu.sh/iih6I/369ce956ce.gif) s (http://puu.sh/iitYX/580b8500cb.gif)o (http://i.imgur.com/cXNLJAo.png)...

Was about to make a list for Greenie, but I see she already did that. Hers is way more detailed, so I'll not post mine. (We basically have the same information, except I put Nerwen's DAY 4 'forgotten' trio (Shasta, Lommy, Aimé) in my 'Innocent Alive' subheading. And I could be illiterate.)

Nigh 2 AM now in Southeast Asia, so I'm hitting the sack. Will cast my vote the next morning.

EDIT: X'ed with Noggie, DAY 3 -> DAY 4

[Nogrod]

Greenie: Looks pretty much as it stands. With the reservation on the three some people thought were "cleared". I'm just trying to understand that thing myself as well...

[Rikae]

Well, for reasons given previously:

++Lalaith

Sadly I doubt Sally will make it through two nights and give Nilp the chance to yell at the living for us... but who knows.

[Nogrod]

Nerwen's seer / PM-receiver -run


On the Day before yesterDay

She doesn’t want Sally lynched and curses their need of information several times.

She asks the view of others first on Lottie alone, then on nilp and Lottie, on Eomer and Firefoot, and finally on Boro and late-Macalaure (all duets in separate posts).

THen in the infamous post #500 she tells having received a PM telling Lottie & Mac are wolves and says she doesn't know anything else but that she received the PM from the mod.


YesterDay

She goes on posting as a normal villager (with a few remarks to her odd-role though) aka. making specualtions on posts (fex. suspecting Lalaith) when suddenly dropping the Pretty sure Firefoot was innocent, though- can't hurt to let you know that.

Then she says, that assuming Boro and Sally speak the truth, the remaining wolves should be found among the following list:
Formendacil
McCaber
mormegil
Nilpaurion Felagund
Mithalwen
Kath

Which list then leaves Lommy, Eomer and Shasta unaccounted for. She then actually anwers morm's question of leaving then out with: Of course. They're cute. Lommy is a dear little penguin, Eomer is a fluffy-widdle puppy warg, and sure you don't expect me to lynch my king?

She also talks about having to open some riddles on this Day...

Only after that she makes this posting: Did I mention it looks as though tp was indeed innocent? After which she says she will probably not get any more messages and asks the ranger to do something more useful as the Night comes...

So what to think of it all? I'll think about it in a separate message.

[Aganzir]

I'm holding my vote still before a few more voices gather around even if it feels pretty straightforward toNight - but if there is a major argument yet to come by someone we haven't yet realised I wouldn't like to cast my vote quite yet.
We're a catacomb of 10 I think, and at the moment there are 4 votes for Lalaith. I doubt there's going to be an argument.

Sadly I doubt Sally will make it through two nights and give Nilp the chance to yell at the living for us... but who knows.
Me too, sadly.

[Nogrod]

Just thinking then.

She gives us two wolves (more or less confirmed by their actions) on one Day (one already dead, one living as she declared them).

The next Day she gives us one innocent (who thence died by Night), more or less gives other three by ignorance (leaving them out of the list of where to find the wolves & jokingly defending them when asked) and as an extra one long dead innocent.

That makes 7 - among them both dead and living (at the time she mentioned them) or just four (2 dead, 2 living) but with fex. tp dying already on N2 it doesn't seem to make sense.

I'm not sure what to make of this.

If she is the Seer this is superb playing, walking the tightrope between giving as much info as possible (from 8 dreams) while remaining an enigma to the wolves... well to everyone.

Other option of course is that she is of a more sinister kind and either has some info or just got lucky with at least Lottie.

What kind of bothers me is that if we should read her posting as her revealing 7 roles it's interesting only two of them were dead when she claimed them (Mac the Night just before and tp on the first game-Night). With half the population here in the Dead Thread you'd think the dreams would have fallen a bit more evenly (even if the seer of course can decide every Night not to pick any already dead) - or maybe the maths work in some other way my intuition would tell me.

Also it is interesting that she first wails very strongly the lack of information and suddenly starts to produce it, a lot.

I hope she is the seer but I'm not totally convinced she is one (that's good actually if she is one, it means she is playing it well).


Btw. could it be possible there was such a role-messing that the seer would be a different person every Night but there would be one mouthpiece who'd receive all the dreams? Well, of course it is possible, but could it explain something, like the lack of a more "normal" seer-revelation? :)

[Macalaure]

Btw. could it be possible there was such a role-messing that the seer would be a different person every Night but there would be one mouthpiece who'd receive all the dreams?That's an interesting idea for future werewolf games: The seer doesn't pick their own dreams, but others do it for them. The people who send the dreams would have no reason not to reveal who they picked (unless, for example, you give the power to the most recent wolf-kill), which would add some new mechanics to the game.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Also, if the Living keep leaving their voting plans that late, I'm not sure I can risk voting in the first place. YesterDay could have been a disaster (thanks guys for handling it that well!), and toMorrow might be worse especially if we have more than two known wolvsies in here by then. I second Agan - Nilp my dear, do scold them for us if you go back, won't you? :Merisu:
Personally, I really hope they will notice something was wrong and not repeat that mistake. Wishful thinking maybe, but, hey, there is always hope.

That said, I'd really appreciate getting to bed in some actually decent time tonight. I felt I went out soo early yesterday (almost feeling guilty) - but it was already 1.30am here then. So maybe a bit earlier today - especially if there is no big thing going on about anything major...
*ahem* Same for me. You actually at least went to sleep at the time you announced.

Confused about these three (some of the villagers seemed to think Nerwen had cleared them or at least asked not to vote for them, but I read Nerwen's post about them as personal opinion rather than relayed information):
Thinlómien
Eomer of the Rohirrim
Shastanis Althreduin
Indeed. I don't know what it is that people always seem to assume that if a Seer (or somebody who claims to be something similar) lists someone among the people she thinks innocent, they automatically assume it is a dream. It annoyed me mightily sometimes how people were interpreting my "dreams" in this game. Of course, usually majority of that is Wolf-work.

Btw, Legate-san, were you the one who taught Lommy the word 'kawaii'?
Actually, not. In fact, I have absolutely no idea where she had picked that from. You'll have to ask her yourself (hopefully when you come back to the Living, for instance).

Other option of course is that she is of a more sinister kind and either has some info or just got lucky with at least Lottie.
Or if she and Lottie are packmates; that would be literally a killer. But let's hope not.

Btw. could it be possible there was such a role-messing that the seer would be a different person every Night but there would be one mouthpiece who'd receive all the dreams? Well, of course it is possible, but could it explain something, like the lack of a more "normal" seer-revelation?
Oho! Well some time ago I have been thinking about something similar, but then I really think it's a bit overcombined. But then again, what Nerwen says is already fairly overcombined.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

That's an interesting idea for future werewolf games: The seer doesn't pick their own dreams, but others do it for them. The people who send the dreams would have no reason not to reveal who they picked (unless, for example, you give the power to the most recent wolf-kill), which would add some new mechanics to the game.

Should note that down, certainly. If you want to Mod sometime soon yourself, you can even use it...

And forgot to mention, I am basically also for checking Lalaith toNight. My preferences are basically in the same order as Nog listed them.

[Nogrod]

I am basically also for checking Lalaith toNight. My preferences are basically in the same order as Nog listed them.I might like to go to sleep in something like two hours, so if anyone has any major ideas why we shouldn't check Lalaith, please come forwards before that for the next two votes, if going to her, will seal our choice.

Now it can be changed (4/10), with one more there is the haunted chance of a tie, with two more votes it's a done deal.

[Nogrod]

We're a catacomb of 10 I think, and at the moment there are 4 votes for Lalaith. I doubt there's going to be an argument.Excuse me my disinformation. It was my fault believing this... :rolleyes:

So we're 12.

Forget my calculations on the post above.

4/12 now for Lalaith.

[Aganzir]

Excuse me my disinformation. It was my fault believing this... :rolleyes:

So we're 12.

Forget my calculations on the post above.

4/12 now for Lalaith.
Whoops sorry, no idea where I got that 10! :o Thanks for the correction.

[Rikae]

At least I'm not the only one who can't count after death! I don't think Kuru is making any effort to preserve our brains. All he had to do was throw 'em in a freezer, how hard is that?

Incidentally... whenever I see the title of this thread, I have to think of:
http://skyrimfansite.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Elder-Scrolls-Online-Vanity-Pet.gif

[A Little Green]

Bedtime!

++ Lalaith

[the phantom]

Back. I'll try to get caught up over the next half hour.

[Macalaure]

Personally, I really hope they will notice something was wrong and not repeat that mistake.
Maybe they won't make the mistake of making a list at all this time.

:p

[Macalaure]

Living A: This is the second time we're not getting any info from the dead.

Living B: Yeah, I wish I knew what's going on over there.

Living A: Maybe there's a ton of wolves in there, making it hard.

Living B: But if the wolves managed to tie the vote twice, how can we tell whether the innocents voted as intended on Day 3?

Living A: I don't think we can. We shouldn't take Greenie's innocence for granted. Maybe Legate was the seer after all!

Living B: Then again, with so many wolves over there, it looks like we've almost won the game.

Living A: I think so, too, it's looking pretty good.

Living B: So, are we going to write another one of those lists up toDay?

Living A: Meh, why bother.


:p

[the phantom]

This has been like this season in the GoT: first cool to open, then getting a bit lame until starting to gear up towards the end.
Indeed, and in that spirit, perhaps we should take a likable proven innocent, perhaps Greenie, and tie her up and burn her alive.
I'm okay with Lalaith and Rikae, could be persuaded to tp or Firefoot but might wish to see my arguments (could wait for Nerwen's role) beaten before that.
I sincerely hope you couldn't actually be persuaded to test Firefoot or I. Or are you just offering a ray of hope to Lalaith to see if she'll grab at it?

Now, I could still be persuaded to check you though. ;)

Ooo, and look at that- Lottie voted for Lalaith. Doesn't it warm your heart to see us finding some common ground with the fury folk?

More in a bit...

[the phantom]

NERWEN DREAMS: (order guessed)

Night 1- Phantom, Shasta
Night 2- Boro, Lottie
Night 3- Mac, Lommy
Night 4- Firefoot, Eomer

DREAM INNOCENT:

Phantom
Shasta
Boro
Lommy
Firefoot
Eomer

SCRY INNOCENT:

Green
Legate

ASSUMED INNOCENT:

Nerwen
Nilp
Sally
Agan

WOLVES:

Lottie
Mac

UNKNOWN DEAD:

Lalaith
Nog
Rikae

UNKNOWN LIVING:

Morm
Form
Mith
Kath
McCaber

[Nogrod]

Ooo, and look at that- Lottie voted for Lalaith. Doesn't it warm your heart to see us finding some common ground with the fury folk?It might be thus far the only thing that could persuade me to rethink voting Lalaith. But then again, the power of rivalry is a great power as well... :)

Seeing as I do that this time Lottie went quite unseremoniously and with zero-banter quickly just into voting might of course talk of Rikae being someone we should rather check - but getting thus steered by a wolf probably isn't the brightest idea especially if we hold our capability of making a vote dear.

With 2 out of 3 of our known innocents voting already I'd not like to start any new scheming at this point unless urgently necessary because of some really vital info - oh well, just a minute with Mac yet around and Rune possibly not I think the time of lsitening to any new ideas is actually over.

Therefore

++ Lalaith

[Nogrod]

Btw. the phantom: you're assuming a lot... :)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Maybe they won't make the mistake of making a list at all this time.

:p
It thought I made myself clear yesterday. I'll just have to continue on.
https://throughtwoblueeyes.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/c-3po-and-han.jpg
Indeed, and in that spirit, perhaps we should take a likable proven innocent, perhaps Greenie, and tie her up and burn her alive.
No comment.

You know what I am afraid of? That we might still not have very many Wolves on this thread. It really looks like (also from e.g. the horrible failure of the innocents to organise to e.g. get a list for us done, among other things, and the players like Eomer or Morm who you'd expect to be wise just messing around and undermining such efforts) the Wolves are in fairly big strength out there. I hope they get some "kill each other" thing toNight. Would save us a lot of trouble.

Speaking of Night-killing: there was one thing I've been wanting to say for ages about Boro. The claim that there is an assassin role makes a lot of sense - BECAUSE!!! - because we have the distinction of "prey" and "predator" on the Dead thread. Because I could easily imagine that an assassin role would be developed by Kuru with the idea that it's fairly strong role, but with the further contribution to the confusion that it might show as "predator", even if it's technically a "good guy".

[Lalaith]

Because I could easily imagine that an assassin role would be developed by Kuru with the idea that it's fairly strong role, but with the further contribution to the confusion that it might show as "predator", even if it's technically a "good guy".

Well...when I was alive, I did point out that the rules said EVERYONE had to be on their toes for the secret role...it might be 'chaotic neutral' or something.

I've finally had time to read the thread properly this evening, I needed something to take my mind off the horrors of episode 9 (was that what was upsetting people on Sunday evening?) some nice links there Rikae and Phantom :)

[Nogrod]

Speaking of Night-killing: there was one thing I've been wanting to say for ages about Boro. The claim that there is an assassin role makes a lot of sense - BECAUSE!!! - because we have the distinction of "prey" and "predator" on the Dead thread. Because I could easily imagine that an assassin role would be developed by Kuru with the idea that it's fairly strong role, but with the further contribution to the confusion that it might show as "predator", even if it's technically a "good guy".But then there is also this: Boro, I had actually thought you might be the secret role for some time, and I don't doubt your reveal, and that you are not on the side of the wolves. I hope you'll understand, though, if I point out that we can't really be sure you're on the side of the village. Just something everyone needs to bear in mind.So a Seer-Nerwen is not at least openly backing that - which is interesting as she seems to be happy to make hints on other players who might be innocent.

Then again, it might be that the seer gets normal info while I think it's only us who get these predator / pray -options.

[Rikae]

Just something everyone needs to bear in mind.
bear in mind.
bear

Teehee.

[Nogrod]

I hope she is doing that to scare the wolves away and not to gloat... :eek:

[Nogrod]

Second thought: that would put it into a totally new perspective the post where she told Boro she trusts him to have the special role... :rolleyes:


EDIT: aka. the exact same post, I see now... :)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Just something everyone needs to bear in mind.bear in mind.bearTeehee.

Aaaaaaaaaah!!! (https://youtu.be/raF9wfPxir8?t=14)

[Aganzir]

It thought I made myself clear yesterday. I'll just have to continue on.
https://throughtwoblueeyes.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/c-3po-and-han.jpg
LEGATE OF AMON SASS YOU'RE KILLING ME.

Speaking of Night-killing: there was one thing I've been wanting to say for ages about Boro. The claim that there is an assassin role makes a lot of sense - BECAUSE!!! - because we have the distinction of "prey" and "predator" on the Dead thread. Because I could easily imagine that an assassin role would be developed by Kuru with the idea that it's fairly strong role, but with the further contribution to the confusion that it might show as "predator", even if it's technically a "good guy".
I see what you did there, Kuru. :p
I need to tell you though - after DAY 1 I went to sleep not feeling positive I'd still be alive in the morning, and I had a dream I was lynched and Kuru posted PREDATOR in my death narration. I was confused but eventually figured the Hunter is also a predator of sorts.

Teehee.
If you were here, you would have just seen me spit food all over my plate.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Whichever the case, I think it is slowly time for me to vote and leave this thread for now (which I will this time really do in a matter of minutes. Dozens of minutes at most anyway ;) ). So, Nilp, hope your darling stayed safe and sound during this Night, others, let's hope we have preferably two Wolfsies here in the morning (not that I'd enjoy the presence of two more trolls, but it at least means they can't terrorize the Living), and let's hope the Living don't keep us awake one more night, although I am fairly worried it might be just the case.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

LEGATE OF AMON SASS YOU'RE KILLING ME.
'xcept you are already dead. Like all of us.

That said,

++Lalaith

Good night. (https://youtu.be/y_bsMGsBjWc?t=94)

[Macalaure]

It thought I made myself clear yesterday. I'll just have to continue on.

And we won't stop,
Cause we can't stop.

:smokin:

[Nogrod]

You should be Thunderstruck - Finnish style (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4Ao-iNPPUc)! :cool::D

[Rikae]

You should be Thunderstruck - Finnish style (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4Ao-iNPPUc)! :cool::D

Cultural appropriation! :p

[the phantom]

If the Unknown Role is a Werebear, I won't feel bad about helping him win, as per the rules he is not listed under "Baddie". Since the role is unspecified I count him on my side.

As a similar situation: it would be like having an Ordo villager but with a secret role of Killer Cobbler, and if he is left alive at end-game after all the Wolves are dead his power allows him to mass murder the other villagers. One could not blame the villagers for not lynching him because their directive is to lynch Wolves, therefore leaving the unknown Killer Cobbler alive would be functioning correctly as Goodies (i.e. it would be wrong for the innocent to lynch someone that is not listed as enemy nor suspected as enemy etc.).

Thus, if the game continues even after everyone suspects all the Wolves are Dead, I will continue helping Boro.

[Aganzir]

I'm going to bed.

Fingers crossed we've bagged a wolf (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcVrAFtc5YI) in Lalaith.

[the phantom]

This thread is simply (https://youtu.be/g0CW0VMTneA?t=1m46s) turning into a music-sharing (https://youtu.be/tNGbpldBJUI?t=22s) thread. I'm sure our Mod is upset we aren't discussing Werebears (https://youtu.be/LoPPGrXJhPg) and such.

In other news, sports (https://youtu.be/RxW2mL8BbOA).

[Rikae]

I hope there's not a hint in that American football stuff...

[Kuruharan]

Due to unforeseen circumstances, I am starting DAY 5 early, and sadly for the Dead Tread, sans narration.

Fortunately(for some), we already have a majority.

Lalaith is a PREDATOR.

Nerwen has been killed.

The Missing or Dead:
Kuruharan
Nogrod
the phantom
Rune Son of Bjarne
Aganzir
A Little Green (Prey)
Macalaure
Rikae
Legate of Amon Lanc (Prey)
Loslote
Firefoot
Lalaith (Predator)
Nilpaurion Felagund
Nerwen

The Living:
Formendacil
satansaloser2005
McCaber
Boromir88
Thinlómien
Eomer of the Rohirrim
mormegil
Shastanis Althreduin
Mithalwen
Kath

Illusion:
Gwathagor (Ordo)

[the phantom]

Ooo, ooo, we have loads of info now after that! :)

Wait- we shouldn't be smiling about Nerwen being dead, heh.

Also, the Living now know they can ask about not only the Dead, but the Living. At least I HOPE they realize that.

Okay, Nerwen- what are the facts? (Particularly any facts you discovered during the Night.)

[Loslote]

With no new corpses to discover

...

Then they realized that Nerwen was missing. They hunted for her high and low, but there was no sign of her.

Why no body? Could Nerwen have been the Ranger or something? :eek:

[Macalaure]

Lalaith: Booooooo!

Nerwen: Booooooo!

[Rikae]

Huzzah!

Well...

unless there was one kill because Sally got ranger-protected, which I suppose is likely.

Anyway, welcome to the other side, Nerwen.

[Nerwen]

Greetings, fellow-corpses!

First things first- Formendacil and Mormegil are wolves. Dreamed them last Night.

[Firefoot]

Didn't see that coming - I was sure Morm was innocent.

Nice ruse, though. You had a lot of people (me included) going with that pm gimmick.

[Nerwen]

Also, Shasta is the Ranger.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Three known Baddies in a diurnal cycle... now I really hope I can get back.

[Nerwen]

Now I'd better do some reading, hadn't I? I hope those villagers were paying attention.

[the phantom]

I was sure Morm was innocent.
Particularly at the start he managed to look quite good, without posting overly much, but he finally started looking sneaky enough that he was worth the dream. It's basically the same with Form- and I rather thought that Boro was going to take care of him during the Night after casting his Form-vote yesterday. Too bad he didn't.

[Loslote]

So we only have one more unknown wolf, right? Well...

I'll bet all of you that the Dead thread gets to 1050 posts before the living thread gets to 775. If we do, you get the name of one of my packmates. If we don't, I get to pick the next Night's scrying target out of four options approved of by general consensus. What do you say? :p

[Rikae]

Greetings, fellow-corpses!

First things first- Formendacil and Mormegil are wolves. Dreamed them last Night.

Tweedledum & tweedledee! :D

Excellent.

[the phantom]

I believe Lottie just said she'd reward us for a filibuster. :)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I hope there's not a hint in that American football stuff...Well, if the Wolves punt (go for known innocents) instead of going for first down (Sally), we're in a good position for a punt return touchdown.

(Am I doing this right??? This hand-egg thing is still somewhat nebulous to me.)

Speaking of nebulous... assuming phantom's list is correct, there's still a Wolf among (Dead) Nogrod, Rikae, (Living) Mith, McCaber, and Kath.

[Firefoot]

So actually, it would be in our best interests today if the Living didn't manage to come up with a list for us, so we could just cast our doubling vote for someone who votes for Form or morm. Undoubtedly they will be much more on top of their game though and leave us no way to communicate the intended message... :rolleyes:

[Loslote]

I believe Lottie just said she'd reward us for a filibuster. :)

Yup! Interested?

[the phantom]

Well, I'm glad Mith jumped out and suggested they get their rears in gear this time in terms of making a voting list.

But again- I'm worried they won't remember that they can ask us about the Living seeing as we have Nerwen here. Now technically we should be able to trust them to figure it out, but they haven't proven trustworthy. Nerwen- you probably should've said "I will dream of X and Y. You WILL ask the Dead about them tomorrow if I'm not here. You WILL make your voting list nice & early. You WILL NOT hold your vote until the final hour!" :D

We must treat children as children, yes?

[Rikae]

This is just the scenario I had in mind when I designed the first Mandos game: the dead know several wolves and are desperate to get that info to the living.
I anticipated that it would be very frustrating for them, and very entertaining for me as the mod.

:rolleyes:

:D

Anyway, Lottie's packmates are probably all dead or revealed, but I say we take her up on it so we can have more music & comedy (sports are optional).

[the phantom]

++Nerwen Filibuster

Perhaps if the Living see our post count going crazy and see that it's always Nerwen posting they'll think to themselves, "Ooo, perhaps she has something to say?"

[Loslote]

Anyway, Lottie's packmates are probably all dead or revealed, but I say we take her up on it so we can have more music & comedy (sports are optional).

Presumably! But wouldn't it be nice to know for sure? :D

[Firefoot]

It did take the Living five hours to get from the top of page 17 to the top of page 18 in their thread...

[Firefoot]

++Nerwen Filibuster

Perhaps if the Living see our post count going crazy and see that it's always Nerwen posting they'll think to themselves, "Ooo, perhaps she has something to say?"

On the other hand, if they were around I would expect to see more posting.

[Rikae]

Commencing (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClQcUyhoxTg)

[Loslote]

It did take the Living five hours to get from the top of page 17 to the top of page 18 in their thread...

I had originally set our goal at 1000 posts, but I decided that just wasn't fair to the Living, the poor dears. ;)

[Rikae]

operation (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4pStVNQc4M)

[Rikae]

pad (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgYkrDQYeZg)

[Firefoot]

Anyone read any good books or seen an interesting movie lately?

[Rikae]

post (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dTxcHulFBI)

[Rikae]

count (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWsJcg-g1pg)

[Firefoot]

So we know who five wolves are now, yes? Lottie, Mac, Lalaith, Form and Morm? We can take bets on who goes together.

[the phantom]

Who is responsible for these murders? Probably Rodney the Hamster (https://youtu.be/-IVvuV34E98?t=9s).

No, never mind, it's Form and Morm.

This (https://youtu.be/7eKppS5cDKk) is what Form is.

Morm is equally creepy (https://youtu.be/D7WfpbXAeFE).

[Rikae]

Anyone read any good books or seen an interesting movie lately?

I'm currently reading the Rain Wilds Chronicles by Robin Hobb. Good stuff.

[Loslote]

Anyone read any good books or seen an interesting movie lately?

Jurassic World is coming out in three days. I haven't been so excited since...the time Jurassic Park came out in 3D a couple years ago. :D

[Firefoot]

I wish there was a third person to rhyme with Form and Morm... closest I can get is Bor'mir.

[Rikae]

I think I called morm innocent when I was doing my seer impersonation, right? It would make sense for him to be part of the Macpack, in that case.

[Firefoot]

Jurassic World is coming out in three days. I haven't been so excited since...the time Jurassic Park came out in 3D a couple years ago. :D

Is it just me or from the previews does it look like the velociraptors are on the side of the good guys this time?

[Rikae]

Oooh! I know!

Mac and morm are both dads, and after the last episode of GoT, we all know dads are evil.

Clearly Nog is the third member of their pack.

[Loslote]

Is it just me or from the previews does it look like the velociraptors are on the side of the good guys this time?

Chris Pratt trained them, apparently, and maybe we'll even get a showdown between the raptors and the hybrid. :D

[Firefoot]

I think I called morm innocent when I was doing my seer impersonation, right? It would make sense for him to be part of the Macpack, in that case. Morm, Mac, and McCaber alliterate nicely... (still holding out for my trifecta of suspects at the start of Day 2 to all be wolves ;) )

[Macalaure]

Go get morm lynched/killed, so we can turn this into the Dad Thread. :p

[the phantom]

These Wolves are sneaky. Like ninjas (https://youtu.be/WtR2m20C2YM).

Often the Baddies are not those you never suspect (https://youtu.be/MgkzIHOJI80).

Wolves are very cool (https://youtu.be/dwa7LTMJU88) under pressure.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Nerwen, what is Boro's role?

[Firefoot]

Since we're all just chatting anyway, can someone tell me how the Fenris wolf thing started? That was after I stopped playing.

[the phantom]

Mac and morm are both dads, and after the last episode of GoT, we all know dads are evil.

Clearly Nog is the third member of their pack.
Yes! I was thinking that! :D
Go get morm lynched/killed, so we can turn this into the Dad Thread.
Bad Wolf!

*hits with newspaper*

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Go get morm lynched/killed, so we can turn this into the Dad Thread. :phttp://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/b8/b2/43/b8b243ad704038d7952d076b22393185.jpg

[the phantom]

Since we're all just chatting anyway, can someone tell me how the Fenris wolf thing started? That was after I stopped playing.
That's what they are called when they are lynched on Day 1.

And I'm disappointed no one is on board with my alternate spelling- Phenris Wolf.

After all, I cast the first ever vote for the first ever Phenris on this website (Anguirel in WW 1), so I think I ought to be allowed some say in the name. :cool:

[Rikae]

Ima make a deal with the bad wolf so the bad wolf don’t bite no more (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2PsXT88UeU)

[Firefoot]

That's what they are called when they are lynched on Day 1.

And I'm disappointed no one is on board with my alternate spelling- Phenris Wolf.

After all, I cast the first ever vote for the first ever Phenris on this website (Anguirel in WW 1), so I think I ought to be allowed some say in the name. :cool: I know that - but where did the term come from?

[the phantom]

I'll be back- have to make/eat dinner.

[Rikae]

Always a wolf, never a Fenris.

:smokin:

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

am I the only self-Fenris around (Diamond18's Wereduck game--one of the WW Junior ones)? Or are my lawyers effective in suing to oblivion any Wolf who self-votes on DAY 1?

[Rikae]

Guess it's this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenrir), but I'm not sure what that has to do with day 1 lynchings.

"due to the gods' knowledge of prophecies foretelling great trouble from Fenrir and his rapid growth, the gods bound him"
?

[Rikae]

I am very grumpy with Mac and Lottie for not allowing Nilp an empowered self-vote.

Making werewolf history is more important than hiding a tiny bit of insignificant info from the village.

[Loslote]

At a maximum there are three wolves on that list thanks to Boro and Nerwen's efforts

Is he assuming Lal's guilt? Could they be packmates after all? :smokin:

[Rikae]

So, we have three known wolves down here, and I assume we aren't considering them a full pack, but there is a full pack here (?)

Who's the fourth?

[Rikae]

If your pack is dead already, you may as well confess. :Merisu:

[Loslote]

So, we have three known wolves down here, and I assume we aren't considering them a full pack, but there is a full pack here (?)

Why do you think that?

[Rikae]

Why do you think that?

A little bird told me.

[Firefoot]

A little bird told me.
Was it a thrush?

[the phantom]

Since Mac is Dead and making bad puns, can we just bury (https://youtu.be/pXC12zMqcNI) him already?

But perhaps if we don't suffer through his jokes he'll kill us (https://youtu.be/hj9_CkePSoE) to get even?

The bad thing about posting this much, at some point people stop paying attention (https://youtu.be/XS3QywiEX94).

[the phantom]

So, should I start posting, piece by piece, bits of journal entries & essays etc. or does someone have a better idea for getting to 1050?

[Kuruharan]

So, should I start posting, piece by piece, bits of journal entries & essays etc. or does someone have a better idea for getting to 1050?

Why don't you let it happen organically...and why are you presuming she'd tell you the truth? ;)

[Firefoot]

If the Living were posting, we could talk about them. Oh, no, I think they've posted six times since we started. :rolleyes: We might have beaten them even without the filibustering.

[Rikae]

Why don't you let it happen organically...and why are you presuming she'd tell you the truth? ;)

I can't speak for tp, but I just want an excuse to spam (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfGpVcdqeS0) the thread.

[Kuruharan]

I can't speak for tp, but I just want an excuse to spam (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfGpVcdqeS0) the thread.






Unfortunately, that might make the real mods visit our happy thread in their wrath. I would prefer that not happen.

[Rikae]

Unfortunately, that might make the real mods visit our happy thread in their wrath. I would prefer that not happen.

Oh no (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePaHG6g7uFw).

And in that case, on topic: does anyone else (except a known wolf) have an opinion on pack composition? It is our best bet at finding the sixth wolf/learning whether the sixth wolf is dead.

[the phantom]

I can't speak for tp, but I just want an excuse to spam the thread.
I'm not sure I understand (https://youtu.be/DI8YlWofRuo) you.

Are you saying what I've been posting (https://youtu.be/96V0PGx4ZHc) is merely spam (https://youtu.be/mBcY3W5WgNU?t=7s)?

I find that extremely offensive (https://youtu.be/0znLBW2u04U).

[Loslote]

Why don't you let it happen organically...and why are you presuming she'd tell you the truth? ;)

I do solemnly swear! :Merisu:

[Loslote]

A little bird told me.

That we have a full pack in the Dead thread? :confused:

[the phantom]

Well, can we assume Lottie's pack took her advice and killed Firefoot. As opposed to killing Nerwen or Sally?

If so, we just look at the player list and see who might do such a thing. Who would follow orders? Who wouldn't gun for the likely known Gifteds? Might being busy make them more likely to do such things?

Morm & Form are the knowns. Perhaps McCaber, Mith, or Kath is a Wolf. But it's easier to just look at the two we know. What do you think?

[the phantom]

But then of course if it was Lottie's pack that killed Firefoot, that would mean Lalaith was in her pack since she obviously didn't kill herself.

Unless Lalaith's pack tried to kill Nerwen and was blocked by Shasta. Yeah, actually, that seems pretty likely.

[the phantom]

I'll just hypothesize packs and kills and the rest of you can tell me why I'm wrong. Or tell me what additional Wolf would make sense with Lottie. And so on...

Lottie & Form & ???------- Rune--- Legate--- Firefoot----------- Nerwen
Mac & Morm & Lalaith---- TP------ Rikae---- Nerwen (block)--- Nerwen

[Loslote]

Lottie & Form & ???------- Rune--- Legate--- Firefoot-----------Nerwen
Mac & Morm & Lalaith---- TP------ Rikae---- Nerwen (block)---Nerwen

You're wrong. :Merisu:

EDIT: And I'll tell you why in seventy-five posts. ;)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Wasn't Lalaith targetted by Boro, or am I remembering this correctly?

Hypothetical scenarios:

NIGHT 4:
Ranger protects Nerwen.
Grip attack Firefoot.
Fang attack Nerwen, fail.
Boro targets Lalaith, succeeds.

or

Only one Wolfgang (TM Nogrod) is left and Boro's responsible for the second kill.

NIGHT 5:
Ranger protects Sally.
One group attacks Nerwen.
Other group attacks Sally, fails.
Boro targets someone, fails.

or

Only one Wolfgang is left, and they successfully kill Nerwen.

Anyway, I hit a light patch at work and am planning catch up to my Chinese cartoon backlog, so unless you want a running commentary, I'll be mostly quiet 'till empowerment time.

[Firefoot]

I'm guessing Form/Mac and morm/Lottie. Not sure about Lal. Form and morm do a fair amount of wishy-washy accusations against each other though so they could be teammates trying to derail suspicion. I would probably guess with Mac in that case and put Lal with Lottie in that case. As phantom put it, she seems like the order taking type.

Unfortunately, neither of those scenarios lend themselves to easily and simply pointing the village to the last wolf in a pack.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Right, I forgot that they could've double-targetted Nerwen. In any case, Sally might be in big trouble and there's no grand return for me. :(

[Firefoot]

Just looking at Mac, morm, and Form the voting record is a little confusing. There's definitely some wolf on wolf action going on, despite the arguments early on in the game that this strategy wouldn't make sense in this game.

[Firefoot]

Also I'm going to bed now so the Europeans can take up Lottie's challenge in the morning...

[the phantom]

Sally might be in big trouble and there's no grand return for me.
Yep. With two nights of killing, your return was always very much in doubt considering they already have plans to kill Sally. The best chance a Lover has of returning is to get Night-killed (thus only has to survive one cycle). Your only hope is that Shasta didn't protect Sally and does tomorrow Night.

[Nerwen]

++Nerwen Filibuster

Perhaps if the Living see our post count going crazy and see that it's always Nerwen posting they'll think to themselves, "Ooo, perhaps she has something to say?"
I'll try.

[the phantom]

Just looking at Mac, morm, and Form the voting record is a little confusing. There's definitely some wolf on wolf action going on, despite the arguments early on in the game that this strategy wouldn't make sense in this game.
Unless it's Lottie-Morm and Mac-Form-Lalaith, because while I know Morm went at Form and Mac I don't recall off hand Mac or Form going at one another.

[Nerwen]

So, my dreams were-

Night One: phantom and Shasta.. Ordo and Ranger.

Night Two: Aganzir and Mac. Hunter and Wolf.

Night Three: Lommy and Lottie. Ordo and Wolf.

Night Four: Firefoot and Eomer.. Ordos.

Night Five: Form and Morm. Wolves.

[Nerwen]

I did not dream Boro.. I didn't think about the "bear in mind" gag being taken as a Seer- hint- probably shouldn't have said it.

[Nerwen]

Just looking at Mac, morm, and Form the voting record is a little confusing. There's definitely some wolf on wolf action going on, despite the arguments early on in the game that this strategy wouldn't make sense in this game.
Yes, but as I recall some of those arguments came from known wolves.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

No one's picked up on the DAY 4 narration anomaly, unless morm's playing dumb.

Also, McCaber:

I think we've reached the point in the game where we can stop using their vote as a source of information and instead rely on them to use their extra information to make appropriate choices on who to lynch.Full marks.

[Nerwen]

So Formwolf urges caution in evaluating Wolflote's claims.
#539 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=698051&postcount=539) #542 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=698062&postcount=542)
#551 (http://http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=698092&postcount=551)

Mormwolf is for taking Wolflote's claims more or less seriously:#546 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=698077&postcount=546)
And usesFormwolf's views on the subject as a reason to suspect him.

Interesting.

[Nerwen]

One complication: Around DL, I'm probably going to be travelling, and there's a dead zone as you go over the mountains here.

[Nerwen]

Very quiet around here. You'd think everyone was dead or something.

[Nerwen]

Honestly I'd be spooked if I were alive.

[Aganzir]

Unfortunately, that might make the real mods visit our happy thread in their wrath. I would prefer that not happen.
http://rs3.pbsrc.com/albums/y62/Aganzir/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2015-06-10-09-27-49_zps9uh2qoai.png~320x480
You were saying?

[Lalaith]

Well I'm around Nerwen but I don't know if you want to hang around with the likes of me...:Merisu:
A couple of WW-related things (if anyone is willing to fill me in)
I remember a really good, quite fierce WW player from way back, in RL she was a young wife, tall I seem to remember, and possibly living in the Midwest. Her name is at the tip of my tongue and it's driving me nuts.
Also, a lovers question - when the roles were first introduced I remember there was a big debate about whether they had to be of opposite gender and eventually the conservative view won out. Is it still the case now?

[Aganzir]

Also, a lovers question - when the roles were first introduced I remember there was a big debate about whether they had to be of opposite gender and eventually the conservative view won out. Is it still the case now?
Depends on the mod I guess. Kath and I had women lovers in our game (thanks to the dice - really it could have been anything), and my last run as a lover in the original Mandos game was gender-swapped Beren & Lúthien.

[Aganzir]

In any case, Kath is most likely not in Tweedleform's pack - the only two times she voted, it was for Form. I hope she's not a wolf anyway because with her post count, she'd be very difficult to pin. Then again would a wolf have forgotten a day? Even knowing Kath's memory, it seems unlikely.

[Aganzir]

There was an exchange between Tweedlemorm and Mith that springs to mind. Won't go looking for it on my phone but remember morm very gently explaining to Mith that he'd been pushing her to get a reaction as he's usually quite good at reading her and is now inclined to think she's innocent? Knowing morm is a wolf wants me to go back to it and look at Mith's reaction as well.

[Aganzir]

Going off of Nerwen's list (are we allowed to call her the seer now that she's dead?), the potential wolves still around are:

Formendacil
mormegil
Mithalwen
Kath
and myself.

At a maximum there are three wolves on that list thanks to Boro and Nerwen's efforts, and if we managed to get even one ourselves earlier (or if the wolves killed one off in their internecine feuding) we are looking at a rather short game ahead of us.
EXCUSE ME, McC? At a maximum? Three wolves? We only found out about Lalaith last night.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I remember a really good, quite fierce WW player from way back, in RL she was a young wife, tall I seem to remember, and possibly living in the Midwest. Her name is at the tip of my tongue and it's driving me nuts.I remember a fierce WWer from the mid-20s (of game number of course, not years) who goes by Roa_Aoife. And I remember her mainly because she takes issue with my, ah, undeveloped sense of self-preservation.

JennyHallu is also another female player from that era, but she wasn't fierce (at least when I played with her).

Did that help?

[Aganzir]

Good that they seem to have scratched the information list idea. However Nilp, if you go back to the living thread, can you also tell them to vote as early as possible in the future? No way I'm going to be here at 4 am while they're debating.

(Although I should probably admit, both times I've drifted awake after 5 am so far I've checked what happened here before going back to sleep. :rolleyes:)

[Loslote]

EXCUSE ME, McC? At a maximum? Three wolves? We only found out about Lalaith last night.

Ahem.

At a maximum there are three wolves on that list thanks to Boro and Nerwen's efforts

Is he assuming Lal's guilt? Could they be packmates after all? :smokin:

So do people just not read my posts? C'mon, guys, just because I'm evil doesn't mean I can't say helpful things when it suits me. :rolleyes:

[Lalaith]

I remember a fierce WWer from the mid-20s (of game number of course, not years) who goes by Roa_Aoife. And I remember her mainly because she takes issue with my, ah, undeveloped sense of self-preservation.

JennyHallu is also another female player from that era, but she wasn't fierce (at least when I played with her).

Did that help?


Yes, of course, Roa it was. Now that you mention it, I do remember how annoyed with you she used to get...hee hee :smokin:
I chiefly remember her from the Penguin game, the only time I've been a seer and bungled it so badly that I was nearly lynched on the first day. I dreamed of Boro, tried to raise suspicion against him and he responded by leading a far more successful witch-hunt against me which forced me to out myself. Roa was magnificent - she went into such a rage against the village for trying to lynch me, and stayed up til deadline to defend me against possible attack. It's how Boro got his 'Fenris Penguin' tag. I think the other penguins were Ang and Nog?
Not my finest hour.

[Aganzir]

Ahem.



So do people just not read my posts? C'mon, guys, just because I'm evil doesn't mean I can't say helpful things when it suits me. :rolleyes:
In my defense, I read the 3 pages in 15 minutes just after waking up and haven't gone back yet! I remember nothing anybody said before page 25. :p

[Loslote]

In my defense, I read the 3 pages in 15 minutes just after waking up and haven't gone back yet! I remember nothing anybody said before page 25. :p

Fair enough. My reading comprehension first thing when I wake up is terrible even if I'm reading slow. :p