Tol-in-Guarhoth CIX - Ten Year Anniversary Game: Dead Thread

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Greetings, fellow-corpses!

First things first- Formendacil and Mormegil are wolves. Dreamed them last Night.
Splendid, I say. Really at least morm started looking terribly fishy lately (along with Eomer, if you ask me) and the general unhelpfulness of these people who were kinda hanging around, knowing that they should make a list for the Dead so that we can vote, but kinda didn't, that was really bad...

So actually, it would be in our best interests today if the Living didn't manage to come up with a list for us, so we could just cast our doubling vote for someone who votes for Form or morm. Undoubtedly they will be much more on top of their game though and leave us no way to communicate the intended message... :rolleyes:
It seems to be under debate, but yeah, I think we should try to cast our vote in order to empower the lynch we agree on. And they could even be clever enough to get that as a message.

So, my dreams were-

Night One: phantom and Shasta.. Ordo and Ranger.

Night Two: Aganzir and Mac. Hunter and Wolf.

Night Three: Lommy and Lottie. Ordo and Wolf.

Night Four: Firefoot and Eomer.. Ordos.

Night Five: Form and Morm. Wolves.

Nilp, I hope you are taking notes (I hope you make it back). :)

For that matter, sadly I can't participate in the spamming now, gotta go painting walls, but, I'll be back later today!

[Nogrod]

Welcome Nerwen!

And in case you really are ther Seer, that was a superb job! Hooray!

That reservation sure is a normal WW-procedure as in this game we all know anything can happen, but yes, I'm buiyng your seership for the time being as I don't have any major reason not to and we can hopefully even get some more evidence on it.

If things are that way then, it's great we have five wolves caught. The next task is to get two of them lynched in the Living Thread. With three of them here to derail the voting we need to be careful - and hope for the Living making some wise and early decisions we can then stick with.

Surely, I think, our main goal toDay will be giving an extra vote to someone voting either morm or Form - and hopefully helping in lynching him.

But yes, so many things can happen, like no one votes either of them etc.

Feeling good, anyway.

[Aganzir]

Lottie, is it late evening or early morning for you? That is, should I do a lot of spamming before you go to bed or wait for others to help?

[Aganzir]

Wait... seer? I can only assume this is why Eomer was calling me denser than dense yesterDay, but--just so I'm clear here--she didn't actually say "I'm the seer" anywhere, right? That's just the inference people have made
Oh look at that genuine consternation! :Merisu:

[Aganzir]

I was considering Form because of his previous days posting, which got really creepy, really quickly. But I'm trying to exercise a little bit of restraint and caution. I'm completely off today so I can dedicate some additional effort to lynching wolves during the day as well.
Throw your caution to the wind, man!

[Aganzir]

It did take the Living five hours to get from the top of page 17 to the top of page 18 in their thread...
Now Boro has a day off so we may need to hurry though! We have (after this) 40 to go, they 42.

[Aganzir]

Anyone read any good books or seen an interesting movie lately?
I loved Mad Max: Fury Road! I suppose quoting it might have counted as a ranger/lover hint to those who have seen it - after all I cultivated Warboy references. I live, I die, I live again! (Then again, spraying mouth with silver paint was also appropriate for a hunter out to get some wolves - I may have mentioned to Kuru that while my preferred weapon is bow & arrows, I also like biting and clawing.)

As to books, Jack Glass by Adam Roberts was brilliant.

[Nerwen]

Now, I'm just going to repeat what I said before: I will likely not be around for toDay's DL, so it might be best to count me out of the actual vote (however we/they decide to operate this time).

Also, remember that I can dream of the dead now. I propose dreaming of toDay's lynch victim if unknown, otherwise of one of you whose role hasn't been checked yet. In the latter case, I'm open to suggestion.

[Aganzir]

Who is responsible for these murders? Probably Rodney the Hamster (https://youtu.be/-IVvuV34E98?t=9s).

No, never mind, it's Form and Morm.

This (https://youtu.be/7eKppS5cDKk) is what Form is.

Morm is equally creepy (https://youtu.be/D7WfpbXAeFE).
Watched these at work. Shouldn't have. Burst out laughing at Form. Hey Tweedleform - whenever you read this - is that how you and Nienna got together? ;)

[Aganzir]

Also, remember that I can dream of the dead now. I propose dreaming of toDay's lynch victim if unknown, otherwise of one of you whose role hasn't been checked yet. In the latter case, I'm open to suggestion.
Out of Nog and Rikae, the former is creepier. Rune probably isn't relevant right now.

[Aganzir]

I wish there was a third person to rhyme with Form and Morm... closest I can get is Bor'mir.
Eorm? Nilp'orn? :p

[Aganzir]

I think I called morm innocent when I was doing my seer impersonation, right? It would make sense for him to be part of the Macpack, in that case.
No as a matter of fact, you spoke about Boro, Lommy, Firefoot and me. So if you're not a wolf, Mac is just a very persistent liar. ;)

[Aganzir]

Oooh! I know!

Mac and morm are both dads, and after the last episode of GoT, we all know dads are evil.

Clearly Nog is the third member of their pack.
I still haven't seen the latest episode (I know shocking! You'll laugh but it's because I've been too caught up in WW - and well you remember how long I stayed up on Monday which is when it's available for Europeans :rolleyes:) but the joke was worth this mild spoiler. :D

[Aganzir]

Go get morm lynched/killed, so we can turn this into the Dad Thread.
So you can fill this thread with awful dad jokes.

Which reminds me that I was going to post this...

http://38.media.tumblr.com/00e7b2ff70d433c22a93ddfffbd419ac/tumblr_ndovk3kaAr1s1dhi9o2_500.gif

http://33.media.tumblr.com/3bf01d8850706f2d8dc3ae286e8e1439/tumblr_ndovk3kaAr1s1dhi9o1_500.gif

http://33.media.tumblr.com/9a7da1b0502120e91a2464aa37746f4d/tumblr_ndovk3kaAr1s1dhi9o3_500.gif

[Aganzir]

http://31.media.tumblr.com/baa615c10f9d6110178648061195fb10/tumblr_ndovk3kaAr1s1dhi9o4_500.gif

http://33.media.tumblr.com/3f86c8e270e67a38a978c91817090383/tumblr_ndovk3kaAr1s1dhi9o5_500.gif

(source (http://methedras.tumblr.com/post/100399919190))

[Lalaith]

Agan - brace yourself and make sure you have some of that tipple that Nog was offering earlier, or even something stronger, by your side. I screamed at least three times.

[Nerwen]

EXCUSE ME, McC? At a maximum? Three wolves? We only found out about Lalaith last night.
Well, he might have been assuming Boro can only kill wolves.

[Aganzir]

Always a wolf, never a Fenris.

:smokin:
Me too. :smokin:

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

[insert gifs here]Ah, I miss Make Your Own Crazy Scene with Pics. We (by which I mean they) single-handedly crashed an LR film image site (I forgot which) by hotlinking.

[Nerwen]

Me too. :smokin:
Me three.:cool:

[Aganzir]

I can't speak for tp, but I just want an excuse to spam (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfGpVcdqeS0) the thread.
Imagine if the Downs was shut down again thanks to you. :p

[Aganzir]

No one's picked up on the DAY 4 narration anomaly, unless morm's playing dumb.
Yeah, the NIGHT 5 narration was also unclear about Nerwen so let's hope that throws them off the track re Nilp. Now they're pretty sure the seer is dead though, and I bet they'll comb the thread extra carefully to find sally's lover and make sure there won't be an awkward meeting in the morning.

[Lalaith]

Maybe you should check Rikae, Nerwen. We already have evidence that mums can be evil, too...

[Aganzir]

Here's one for our esteemed mod. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR7EAdPUqvQ)

[Rikae]

Rofl at "four bears"!


I was considering Form because of his previous days posting, which got really creepy, really quickly. But I'm trying to exercise a little bit of restraint and caution.

Boooo!

[Rikae]

Lottie has very effectively stopped us from discussing (or at least, thinking about) much of anything toDay.

Do you think she could be a wolf?

[Firefoot]

It seems like the best case scenario to me is that the village votes to lynch either form or morm and we empower a vote for the other. Might require too many variables to line up right and too much coordination at the deadline though.

[Aganzir]

Lottie has very effectively stopped us from discussing (or at least, thinking about) much of anything toDay.

Do you think she could be a wolf?
Hmm. How about we quickly make it to 1,050 now to get it over with?

I was going to have more time to play today but my extroversion got the better of me and I'm going for afternoon tea with a couple of coworkers before seeing friends in the evening. Bad me. But I'll be around as much as I can.

[Aganzir]

It seems like the best case scenario to me is that the village votes to lynch either form or morm and we empower a vote for the other. Might require too many variables to line up right and too much coordination at the deadline though.
Yeah. I believe Form is a safer choice because he's been under more suspicion. so if there will be enough non-wolves around at the deadline, those who have to vote early might be able to risk voting somebody who's likely to vote him.

Kath, perhaps - that would probably get the message across given her voting history? :D

[Rikae]

No as a matter of fact, you spoke about Boro, Lommy, Firefoot and me. So if you're not a wolf, Mac is just a very persistent liar. ;)

Maybe he remembered that I like uncloaking too much to save it for when I actually have a role. :o

[Aganzir]

http://41.media.tumblr.com/39291f6aaab8d299a6b31041c5743f14/tumblr_mh9bf0H3ib1ruztxuo1_500.jpg

[Macalaure]

I remember a fierce WWer from the mid-20s (of game number of course, not years) who goes by Roa_Aoife.

Fierce indeed. Back in the days, I counted the wins/losses of every player. Roa had 15 wins and 4 losses. Best winning percentage of anyone, and it isn't even remotely close.

I stopped at WW75 for some reason. I should update it. :)

[Aganzir]

Trolololo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc4Y1yyN3Ns).

[Rikae]

Hey, just realized this game's number is my lucky number.

[Nerwen]

Oh Rikae, I see you got to fake-reveal as the Seer after all.:D

[Nerwen]

Meanwhile, in the land of the living...

Boro, you've still not indicated your allegiance. Is it to yourself or the village? Dumb question, I know, because you can simply tell us the village and we have no way of verifying. I commend you for your kill of Macwolf; however I'm still uncertain of Lalwolf and you never indicated what you felt suspicious about her.

Additionally, I've been thinking about Kath and there are two major concerns that are brought to my mind. First, she could be a wolf who is hiding by posting minimally. A viable strategy to be sure and she has been somewhat immune to any major suspicion up to this point. It's also a strategy that helps ensure you don't get to be a target of a seer dream. Second, if she is innocent, she becomes a liability the further we go. We will need all villagers to be present and up to speed on what's going on. Overall, this is a concern we need addressed.

Boromir, to your question about Lal being a target for the dead, it would seem probable. A situation like that should be easy enough to orchestrate.

Something like this:

If Lalaith is a wolf give your vote to:
Form
Sally
McCaber


If she's not, give the vote to:
Boromir88
Thinlómien
Eomer


If you don't know give your vote to:
mormegil
Shastanis Althreduin
Mithalwen
Kath

Thoughts? Approval?

[Aganzir]

Convenient options in both viable categories. :rolleyes:

[Aganzir]

How about a new avatar, Nerwen?

http://33.media.tumblr.com/5d556d2e9b4081661764e42c296cd112/tumblr_mq253gqM1J1ra7mxqo2_500.gif

http://31.media.tumblr.com/0dc2145898b5f44069efe3ce17047f10/tumblr_mq253gqM1J1ra7mxqo1_500.gif
(source (http://lordofthecage.tumblr.com/post/55651822589/nicolas-cage-as-galadriel-in-the-fellowship-of-the))

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Fierce indeed. Back in the days, I counted the wins/losses of every player. Roa had 15 wins and 4 losses. Best winning percentage of anyone, and it isn't even remotely close.

I stopped at WW75 for some reason. I should update it. :)Esty and Mr Underhill have 100% win rates, right? Unless they joined a game while I was away or you have a minimum number of games played requirement.

7 more, village. (I think.)

[Aganzir]

So morm really wants to find out if Lalaith was a wolf or not while Mith downplays it. Morm trying to appear helpful and innocent? Morm really curious to know if the rival pack is down by one? Mith being the voice of reason? Mith trying to protect a fellow?

We will find out in six posts.

[Aganzir]

Unless the other thread gets really vocal. Not sure how many people we have around right now.

[Aganzir]

I took the phantom's list from a few days back and expanded it based on DAY 2 voting. DAY 3 votes don't tell us much - looking at people's suspicions might, but I don't have the time for it now.


Firefoot/Mac - dangerously placed vote, unless she'd decided to bus Mac.
Kath/Form - low-risk vote on DAY 1 but just not worth risking it.
morm/Lottie - Lottie voted morm early on DAY 2.
morm/Mac - a DAY 1 vote would be totally useless, voted Mac again DAY 2.
Nerwen/Mac - early DAY 2 vote, likely to be followed.
Shasta/Lottie - throwaway vote very late on DAY 2, but he was the first person to cast a vote for her.


DEAD:

Nog/Boro
Nog/phantom
Nog/Lottie
Nog/Eomer
Nog/Shasta

Rikae/Lommy
I'll have to leave very soon so don't have time to look at this further. Would like to, though.

Could still perhaps update it a little, based on what we know.


Kath/Form - low-risk vote on DAY 1 but just not worth risking it.
Kath/Mith - would Mith keep bringing up a fellow's absence. (I'm also noting morm is talking about it.)
morm/Lottie - Lottie voted morm early on DAY 2.
morm/Mac - a DAY 1 vote would be totally useless, voted Mac again DAY 2.

[Nerwen]

Well, I'm here.

[Aganzir]

I don't know if this is a stretch, but did anyone else have the feeling that Nilp may have been empowered by the Dead yesterday? If so, the narration is quite cryptic; but it does mention that Nilp jumped up and pulled the lever on himself - he didn't cast the deciding vote as a few people voted him after his self-vote, so I'm puzzled that he's described as pulling the lever.

Could be nothing more than a joke, of course, but if not then it would indicate that Legate was innocent.

Depending on who the Ranger is and who they tried to save (if still in the village) we might be able to narrow it down from 4 (Morm, Form, Mith & Kath) to 3 or 2. Then I'd say it's just a matter of killing them off one by one.

Note that I'm taking Sally's post yesterday as proof of a certain someone's innocence, but if that was some sort of in-joke then we should really get that confirmed. ;)
He forgot McC though!

I don't have time to go back to look at sally's posts right now but if there's something that suggests her lover is still alive, all the better for us all.

[Aganzir]

Okay got to go now. Nerwen, take us to 1,050. :smokin:

[Rikae]

Not sure that Lalaith is the most useful information at this point. If Nerwen were the Seer she may have had her dreams before she died. Wouldn't it be more useful to contrive something to find out something out abput the living since we must be nearing a very delicate stage.

Personally speaking, while it would make days easier to be a proven innocent such identification post lynch vote might be counterproductive in that it pins a nice target for the wolves. So maybe only ask them to identify a known wolf.. obviously not by giving them the bonus vote but with either prearranged "pairs" or other system?

She's right, and therefore will be completely ignored.

EDIT: Next post, #1047, at 9:51
I should really let Nerwen have this post, but she doesn't seem to be around, so:

https://anthonystephens.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/we-are-the-champions.jpg

[Macalaure]

Esty and Mr Underhill have 100% win rates, right? Unless they joined a game while I was away or you have a minimum number of games played requirement.

Yes, they do. Along with 15 others, most of them obscure.

I usually go with a minimum of 10 games played, to make it a bit more significant.

The average percentage was 45.5%, by the way, since the wolves were a bit more successful than the village, at least up to that game.

[Lalaith]

If that means that people can now stop posting pictures of Nicholas Cage, then I am happy.

[Rikae]

http://s24.postimg.org/ww108311h/1050posts.jpg

EDIT: My post #1051 at 9:58
Morm is probably going to wait until a few of us have probably voted due to time zones, and then switch his list around.

[Macalaure]

If we get to 1100 before the living get to 750, I'll add a bonus and give you the name of someone who is not a wolf with me. ;)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Just quickly running through, will be back later... but I see, looks like you did it, nice, folks :D

Morm is probably going to wait until a few of us have probably voted due to time zones, and then switch his list around.

Certainly. Anyway, I think we should give the lists toDay only secondary importance and vote most of all to empower someone who votes for Wolf (preferably one with more chance to get lynched). If we can get any extra info, of course the better.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

They still haven't noticed (http://puu.sh/ijAAk/0be30c5bfb.gif) the lack of highlighted onomatopoeia in my death (http://puu.sh/ijAP6/2f1f3101fd.gif) scene.

Also,
I am not saying I regard myself as above suspicion, on the contrary a case could have been made from the first days when I was bored and frustrated from having no certainties, pointless philosophising and being expected to be no more than a playing piece in the phantom's game.Yup, she is my mother.

[Macalaure]

Morm is probably going to wait until a few of us have probably voted due to time zones, and then switch his list around.

Good man! :)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Yes, Boro! You're barking (http://puu.sh/ijDQk/931ba0dd9f.gif) up the right tree!

[Loslote]

http://s24.postimg.org/ww108311h/1050posts.jpg

Wow, that wasn't even close. :p

Well, you've earned this. I would like to introduce you now to one of my packmates. They've been at my side for a long time. A tireless companion as we faced the despicable forces of good, a partner in evil, a brother in arms, and a fiend to top all other fiends:

Everyone, meet Macalaure!

http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt267/Tolkienite_94/Stephen-colbert-report-excited.gif (http://s618.photobucket.com/user/Tolkienite_94/media/Stephen-colbert-report-excited.gif.html)

[Macalaure]

Everyone, meet Macalaure!

http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt267/Tolkienite_94/Stephen-colbert-report-excited.gif (http://s618.photobucket.com/user/Tolkienite_94/media/Stephen-colbert-report-excited.gif.html)

Hi! :)

I was honestly amused by all those proposed wolf pairings that but us into different packs. I mean, other than you stating that we were not after you were lynched, I thought we were pretty obvious. :D

[Loslote]

Hi! :)

I was honestly amused by all those proposed wolf pairings that but us into different packs. I mean, other than you stating that we were not after you were lynched, I thought we were pretty obvious. :D

I couldn't believe we weren't called out on it yet! Agan figured it out, right? She hinted about it awhile ago, but it got lost in some big posting bubble. :D

[Macalaure]

What shall the next challenge be? Should we have them post enough pictures to equal the Crazy Captions thread? :D

edit: and anything involving Nicolas Cage counts double!

[Nerwen]

Knew it!
I think we should consider the possibility that either Lottie switched the kills in her accusation of Firefoot and that it was Lottie's pack who killed tp and Rikae, or that Mac was her fellow
Not that it's actually "either/or" anyway.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

http://puu.sh/ijFHk/0e22bcbffa.gif

[Loslote]

edit: and anything involving Nicolas Cage counts double!

Well, of course! :D

[Aganzir]

I couldn't believe we weren't called out on it yet! Agan figured it out, right? She hinted about it awhile ago, but it got lost in some big posting bubble. :D
I did because eventually it was the only option that made sense! (I almost phrased something as boldly as "your only surviving pack member" some time before I told Mac to get a grip but I think I decided against it in the end). And you two have been able to PM the entire time, too!

I have a question though - is morm or Form one of yours? Because if yes I'd suggest a deal - we try to get the other pack lynched first (as much as it's possible) and give the last surviving Grip a chance to fight.

Or is there one? Is there something you'd like to tell us about Lalaith? :p

[Aganzir]

Yes, Boro! You're barking (http://puu.sh/ijDQk/931ba0dd9f.gif) up the right tree!
Best use of reaction gif so far. :D

[Macalaure]

I have a question though - is morm or Form one of yours? Because if yes I'd suggest a deal - we try to get the other pack lynched first (as much as it's possible) and give the last surviving Grip a chance to fight.

Just a fair chance for that much info. I don't know.

I'd consider giving you the name if you offer to let her win. :p

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

What shall the next challenge be? Should we have them post enough pictures to equal the Crazy Captions thread?

edit: and anything involving Nicolas Cage counts double!http://puu.sh/ijG4g/30930484bc.gif
http://media.tumblr.com/4676c5364be804204bba4d086302971a/tumblr_inline_n7zl4c9RMV1rd3hzs.gif
http://oi50.tinypic.com/1g0gpe.jpg

[Aganzir]

Just a fair chance for that much info. I don't know.

I'd consider giving you the name if you offer to let her win. :p
Her chances will be fairer if the Fang pack doesn't get her first.

[Aganzir]

Be nice, Mac.

http://38.media.tumblr.com/6ce4e03ebd8180b51bfb53f26de3916a/tumblr_mpq59bylTi1ra7mxqo1_500.gif

[Loslote]

I have a question though - is morm or Form one of yours? Because if yes I'd suggest a deal - we try to get the other pack lynched first (as much as it's possible) and give the last surviving Grip a chance to fight.

If we have the word of a majority of the thread that they will focus attention on another known wolf instead of ours, we will consider it.

[Aganzir]

If we have the word of a majority of the thread that they will focus attention on another known wolf instead of ours, we will consider it.
I'm willing to give my word. I won't promise not to empower votes against them if that's the only option available to an honest villager, but I can and will make it my priority to focus on the Fang to bring them down first.

I'm not asking you to reveal them if they're still hidden, but I'd like to know more about the potential build of the second best pack, the more effectively to kill them.

http://i.imgur.com/n7Rqvpa.gif

[Aganzir]

Is this what you are thinking:

If:
morm is a wolf give vote to Form or McCaber
Form is a wolf give vote to morm or Lommy
Kath is a wolf give vote to Eomer or Mith
Mith is a wolf give vote to Kath or Shasta
McCaber is a wolf give vote to Boro
No dreams on this list as wolf give vote to Sally

That spreads it out and I'm willing to give Boro the single vote as well as it's known that he's at least not a wolf though his motivations are unclear.
Whether they're in the same pack or not, it makes me laugh that this chart cross-empowers Tweedlemorm and Tweedleform.

[Rikae]

So (no wolves need to answer this) somebody was listing the likelihood of various wolf-pairings - what was there about the orm brothers?

[Aganzir]

Conclusion: Dreamed the phantom, Firefoot, Lottie, Mac, Lommy, Eomer and Nilp. Last dream either Boro or Agan. I really wish I knew...
Not bad, Lommy. Not bad at all.

[Aganzir]

So (no wolves need to answer this) somebody was listing the likelihood of various wolf-pairings - what was there about the orm brothers?
My last version is here (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=699027&postcount=1046). Granted it's based on general impressions rather than in-depth analysis, and while nothing suggests the Orms can't be wolves together, I'll take my hat off to morm if he's in the Grip pack.

[Aganzir]

I wonder how Lommy is going to make it to my place at 9 if she's still at the office playing werewolf. :D

[Loslote]

I'm willing to give my word. I won't promise not to empower votes against them if that's the only option available to an honest villager, but I can and will make it my priority to focus on the Fang to bring them down first.

Will this deal still be available if we wait until closer to the deadline (or, well, closer to when we start voting) to see if our packmate is in trouble toDay?

[Aganzir]

Will this deal still be available if we wait until closer to the deadline (or, well, closer to when we start voting) to see if our packmate is in trouble toDay?
I'm going to be occupied with friends for the next hours so it's not like I'll be able to do any analysis without getting yelled at. So in that sense yes, but do remember that the Fang will try to mess it up for you as well as in the Living thread, and they will know which Tweedle is in their pack and which isn't (unless they're both Fang). And also us Europeans can't wait till very close to the deadline.

[Nogrod]

Did you notice this?
However I have had an idea that is either bonkers or genius and I am not sure which. We know that there must be a majority of innocents in the dead thread now and that they seem to be horrifically active. I know given my vehement opposition to rigged voting day one but if we arranged a tie either of the unknowns or even go the whole hog and all just self vote then the dead can either take out a known wolf or if they don't know any leave us all to bicker another day. Too much of a risk of something going wrong?That would be just genious!

Sadly no one seems to be noticing it...

[Aganzir]

Another option if you want to keep quiet about identities: tell us which kills were the Fang.

And if morm is responsible for the dead Europeans after his reaction to my joke got me lynched I swear to god I will end him!!

[Rikae]

One thing: I thought Lottie's pack killed me (for obvious reasons) but also that Mac's wouldn't have (because I wouldn't have looked seerish to them), and that's why I, at least, figured they weren't in a pack together.

If they are in the same pack, they probably didn't kill me. Meaning Morm's pack (since Morm was an unlikely packmate of Mac's) did.

Now, I avoided voting Morm on my last Day, although I don't think I'd necessarily have looked seerish about it. I went after Lottie & Firefoot. I don't see anything that would have made Mith, Kath or McCaber concerned about me (unless, of course, they assumed I was a seer who'd dreamed of opposing wolf Lottie).

Any reasons for Mith, Kath or McCaber to kill Legate?

EDIT: My post 1086

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thinlómien http://forum.barrowdowns.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?p=699087#post699087)
Rather:

If morm is innocent, give an extra vote to morm
If morm is guilty, give an extra vote to Sally
If Form is innocent, give an extra vote to Form
If Form is guilty, give an extra vote to Lommy
If Kath is innocent, give an extra vote to Kath
If Kath is guilty, give an extra vote to Eomer
If Mith is innocent, give an extra vote to Mith
If Mith is guilty, give an extra vote to Shasta
If McCaber is innocent, don't give an extra vote
If McCaber is guilty, give an extra vote to Boro
If the village is screwing up or there's something else alarming such as Boro being a wolf (we can clarify this the next Day if needs be), give an extra vote to McCaber

Well, that's tolerable, I hope it sticks.
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My post #1084 at 1:51

Now, if one of them gets lynched toDay and we manage to send a message about the other, Boro can take him out toNight.

Who here will be able to vote at DL? Obviously me, tp, and the wolves (curse them).
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[Firefoot]

I'll be here at deadline. I'm not sure about Lottie's proposed deal though... weighing the likelihood of one pack taking out the other with there just being one night kill. On the other hand, if the unknown wolf is your packmate I would be willing to deal.

[the phantom]

morm is a wolf give vote to Form or McCaber
Form is a wolf give vote to morm or Lommy
Kath is a wolf give vote to Eomer or Mith
Mith is a wolf give vote to Kath or Shasta
McCaber is a wolf give vote to Boro
No dreams on this list as wolf give vote to Sally
Ha ha, I love it, especially that he's a Wolf suggesting this. Way to go Mith for forcing the conversation toward the Living!
We know that there must be a majority of innocents in the dead thread now and that they seem to be horrifically active. I know given my vehement opposition to rigged voting day one but if we arranged a tie either of the unknowns or even go the whole hog and all just self vote then the dead can either take out a known wolf or if they don't know any leave us all to bicker another day. Too much of a risk of something going wrong?
Yes!!!! This is EXACTLY the sort of thing I had in mind. Mith- you have become Phantom! :D

Anyway, it's quite easy to get caught up on the Living thread, but the Dead thread is another matter.

*goes to read*

[the phantom]

I'm trying to get caught up but I can't move beyond Agan's post where Bilbo becomes Cage. I'm just watching it over and over.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Yes!!!! This is EXACTLY the sort of thing I had in mind. Mith- you have become Phantom! :D

Make sure she hears that. Interesting, given that she was most anti-Phantom on first Day. You should thank her!

Anyway, as for myself and DL, I won't really be here for the DL (no way), but I will try to vote when there is at least something to start with. For instance, when someone votes for one of our Wolves, or somesuch. Or, of course, if someone votes for a Wolf and in such a way that we can send a message that way as well. Of course, I don't want to be too greedy.

[Nerwen]

Make sure she hears that. Interesting, given that she was most anti-Phantom on first Day. You should thank her!

Anyway, as for myself and DL, I won't really be here for the DL (no way), but I will try to vote when there is at least something to start with. For instance, when someone votes for one of our Wolves, or somesuch. Or, of course, if someone votes for a Wolf and in such a way that we can send a message that way as well. Of course, I don't want to be too greedy.
I'll try to do the same.

[the phantom]

This might be one of those once-in-a-decade Werewolf games where you need to set an alarm.

[Aganzir]

This might be one of those once-in-a-decade Werewolf games where you need to set an alarm.
Which is what I'm thinking of doing. No promises though, and if it can be avoided I'd rather.

[Nerwen]

This might be one of those once-in-a-decade Werewolf games where you need to set an alarm.
It's not early for me- it just happens to fall at a time when I may not be able to get online.

[Nogrod]

Anyway, as for myself and DL, I won't really be here for the DL (no way), but I will try to vote when there is at least something to start with. For instance, when someone votes for one of our Wolves, or somesuch. Or, of course, if someone votes for a Wolf and in such a way that we can send a message that way as well. Of course, I don't want to be too greedy.Fits me as well.

Lot to do tomorrow so no staying awake up to 5am. Sorry.

[Nogrod]

I half wonder if we shouldn't ask the dead thread a simple question, like how many wolves are in the dead thread right now? Like -

If it's 1, give Lommy the extra vote
If it's 2, give Shasta the extra vote
If it's 3, give Eomer the extra vote
If it's 4, give Mith the extra vote
If it's 5, give Boro the extra vote
If it's 6, give McCaber the extra vote

- or something like that. Thoughts?No Mr. Ranger, no... :confused:

[Nogrod]

Morm's pairs would work the best if Nerwen got a wolf in one of her final dreams.

Lommy's if she got innocents. But it leaves the door open for a bad lynch since the innocents aren't infallible.

Mith's suggestion of everyone self-voting and letting the dead decide if they know a living wolf would be great, if everyone goes through with it. But it leaves the door open for wolf funny business, which would out their wolvery. Although I would just kill them in the night then, that might be enough of a deterrence?

It's really up to the collective of the village. I have no problem self-voting.I'm always for stepping back and taking a good look at things and different options one has... but if they are now going to open a discussion on all options there will be nothing sorted out before three hours from now - or something.

How many "secure" voters do we have there at the DL against wolves aka. is there a good argument for early-sleepers not to vote at all if there seems to be happening nothing in the Living thread in say 1-1½ hours the most?

[Rikae]

And, once again, being "helpful" by suggesting multiple plans... and known innocents are doing it, too.

Get your act together, living people! :rolleyes:

Edit: X'd with Nog

[Rikae]

How many "secure" voters do we have there at the DL against wolves aka. is there a good argument for early-sleepers not to vote at all if there seems to be happening nothing in the Living thread in say 1-1½ hours the most?

You have phantom and Firefoot... and me. I solemnly swearto vote in the interests of the village.

(Or is that only believable when wolves say it?)

[Nogrod]

You have phantom and Firefoot... and me. I solemnly swearto vote in the interests of the village.

(Or is that only believable when wolves say it?)Haha. Aganzir I thought said she was going to hang around.

So three white riders (Firefoot, Agan & tp) against two dark wolves (Mac, Lottie) at the DL - and then you Rikae... interesting.

[the phantom]

At least they seem to realize that they need to act soon, but no one is being forceful about it. Someone needs to say, "The Dead HAVE to vote NOW because it's late. The voting plan is X. You have 30 minutes to say if anything is wrong with that vote plan. If not, that IS the plan no matter what anyone else says later. I have spoken."

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

You have phantom and Firefoot... and me. I solemnly swearto vote in the interests of the village.

(Or is that only believable when wolves say it?)

Exactly the whole question is if that's enough. There is probably Aganzir at some at least decently late-ish point, but I am with Nog on that I would prefer to wrap this up, like, now.

Which, given there are zero votes on the Living thread and looking at the list of people who could vote for being in the European timezone, is not very nice. I expect Lommy to vote in a couple of hours because of her late-evening program together with Agan, and Mith and Eomer and Kath, if she appears, are still two hours in bonus compared to us near the lakes of Rhun. Others I expect to vote just before DL.

I'm wondering if I might even pull off some half-"doze of for two hours and possibly come back"-trick, but in that case I require somebody to be here and alert to give me a vote tally, and anyway, even with that I won't vote very close to the DL. (I could at least vote when there has actually a vote been cast.)

Or I might leave that be, which I do not like to do... or pull the same trick that's been discussed here before and inquire Aganzir here about alerting me by phone call in case my vote seems to be needed. But then again, it still would be probably too early before the DL, so it might not make sense at all.

[Nogrod]

We probably shouldn't count on Rune to appear and I think Greenie hasn't been around the whole Day.

Nerwen seems to be unsure whether she'll have internet access at the DL.

Lalaith will probably try to vote as wolfishly as possible but as an European might need to vote early.

Then there's Legate and myself.

And the white knights, black wolves & Rikae.


We should be able to pull the numbers.

Should, that is.

[the phantom]

If you have to go to bed before they get a plan up, I think it might be best to swallow your vote. What if the new vote plan leads to something bad with your vote (the Baddies pile onto it). If you don't vote at all at least we'd have a shot of avoiding something like that.

Thoughts?

[the phantom]

Just in case a posting binge might prod them....

[the phantom]

Settle your plan now, Living. Settle it NOW.

[the phantom]

See how active we are? It's because WE'RE SCREAMING AT YOU.

[the phantom]

Do any of you Living Europeans feel sleepy? Thinking about going to bed?

Then maybe it's also true OF TONS OF PEOPLE HERE ON THIS THREAD!

[the phantom]

You notice how no one was empowered yesterday?

Maybe it was because YOU DIDN'T LET US BECAUSE YOU TOOK SO LONG TO MAKE A PLAN AND THEN VOTE!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

If you have to go to bed before they get a plan up, I think it might be best to swallow your vote. What if the new vote plan leads to something bad with your vote (the Baddies pile onto it). If you don't vote at all at least we'd have a shot of avoiding something like that.

Thoughts?

Kinda... I was thinking if, say, Kath, who just now appeared, voted for one of the Orms, whether I should not cast my vote to empower her, but it is true it could create a mess. Thoughts?

And in regards to something Nerwen mentioned like ages ago and it sort of fell under the table, except for maybe one comment: Nerwen, if you are thinking about whose identity to dream, I would suggest if we get a new totally enigmatic player, then them, if not, then somebody out of Nog or Rikae, potentially the phantom. But rather one of the former (sic! I hope not).

[the phantom]

You know who doesn't sit around and discuss and waffle and foot-drag? A leader.

Be Gandalf. Do what needs to be done. You don't need to reach an agreement. Don't need to see what others think. Just say what IS best and tell everyone they need to do it or be considered a Wolf.

[Nogrod]

If you have to go to bed before they get a plan up, I think it might be best to swallow your vote. What if the new vote plan leads to something bad with your vote (the Baddies pile onto it). If you don't vote at all at least we'd have a shot of avoiding something like that.

Thoughts?

is there a good argument for early-sleepers not to vote at all if there seems to be happening nothing in the Living thread in say 1-1½ hours the most?Have been kind of thinking about that... :)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Do any of you Living Europeans feel sleepy? Thinking about going to bed?

Then maybe it's also true OF TONS OF PEOPLE HERE ON THIS THREAD!

You, sir, are a poet! (https://youtu.be/m55RDNlWnLI?t=145)

[Aganzir]

Or I might leave that be, which I do not like to do... or pull the same trick that's been discussed here before and inquire Aganzir here about alerting me by phone call in case my vote seems to be needed. But then again, it still would be probably too early before the DL, so it might not make sense at all.
Lommy is going to stay here for the night and she'll be SO confused if/when my alarm goes off at 4.45 and even more so if she hears me on the phone with you. :D :D Will do it though if needed.

[the phantom]

She already dreamt me, dude. It'll be Nog or Rikae tonight- unless the Living sadly send us an unknown instead of a Wolf.

[Nogrod]

Lommy is going to stay here for the night and she'll be SO confused if/when my alarm goes off at 4.45 and even more so if she hears me on the phone with you. :D:cool::D

[Rikae]

Nobody should vote early, too risssssky (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZY8jUuEzJQ).

[the phantom]

V1: "Hey, the Dead are agitated. What do you think is going on?"

V2: "Dunno. Maybe all those dead Europeans want to vote and go to bed."

V1: "Yeah, you're probably right. Hey, let's debate our voting plan for another hour or so and then wait four hours to cast our votes."

V2: "Yeah, sounds good."

[Nogrod]

She already dreamt me, dude. It'll be Nog or Rikae tonight- unless the Living sadly send us an unknown instead of a Wolf.Agreed. I'm fine with myself being checked, but would think Rikae a better choice as she will stand there around the DL with a message like: I solemnly swear to vote in the interests of the village:rolleyes:

[the phantom]

I solemnly swear to try and kill Morm or Form. If Mac and Lottie would help that would be nice.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Lommy is going to stay here for the night and she'll be SO confused if/when my alarm goes off at 4.45 and even more so if she hears me on the phone with you. :D :D Will do it though if needed.
Indeed. Now that would be a sight...
She already dreamt me, dude. It'll be Nog or Rikae tonight- unless the Living sadly send us an unknown instead of a Wolf.

Oh right. See? I really need to go to sleep earlier toDay. Also because I want to get some stuff done tomorrow morning.

I might abstain - unless the Living cook something up fairly soon; they started to seem being active, but how much remains still to be seen.

[the phantom]

Legate- when it's time to vote I'll text you.

[Nogrod]

It seems to be Kath's turn...
No one has voted yet right? So can we simply match up pairs?

Form <--> sally
McCaber <--> Boro
morm <--> Lommy
Mith <--> Eomer
Kath <--> Shasta:rolleyes:

[Rikae]

Kath's gotta be the last wolf. :rolleyes:

One good thing: by Morm's first list and by Lommy's, empowering Sally would at least be true (and it sounds like Kath wants her to vote for Form?)
(By Morm's second list, it's "no dream")

EDIT: My original post #1132 posted at 5:38 pm

I'd rather be dreamed by Nerwen because I object to being called "prey".
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[the phantom]

Well, I'll be back once something actually happens on the Living Thread.

See you in about four hours.

[Lalaith]

They seek him here
They seek her there,
They seek that sixth wolf everywhere...
Is he with the living
Or is she in hell,
That damned elusive....who?

Lottie's deal only works if she has a live wolf to trade...but what if....the sixth wolf is already dead? Here among us, right now? All those dead you haven't bothered to scry...Or what if I am in fact the third member of Lottie's pack and none of us know who the sixth wolf is? Or what if....oh, there are so many possibilities.
And don't worry. I am going to bed. No alarm clocks for me. On my honour as a Grip, or a Fang, or....

[Nogrod]

Okay. I don't feel that sleepy at the moment and can hang out for an hour - I'd say. And getting to sleep like 1.30 is not that bad.

Mith's suggestion (I think it was one of the older ones) seems pretty ok to me.

If they take it, then it's either McCaber (morm) or Lommy (Form).

It would be nice to help lynch Form when Boro might then take off morm... (if he actually has that role he talks of, I think he could do exactly that)

[the phantom]

Nerwen- make sure and tell us if you're dreaming Rikae or Nog so that we can scry the other one.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Legate- when it's time to vote I'll text you.
I see, I get special treatment.

And ah! So now the full size of your grandiose plan is revealed---you are just collecting phone numbers of all the players!!!

morm is a wolf give vote to Form or McCaber
Form is a wolf give vote to morm or Lommy
Kath is a wolf give vote to Eomer or Mith
Mith is a wolf give vote to Kath or Shasta
McCaber is a wolf give vote to Boro
No dreams on this list as wolf give vote to Sally
This would actually work nicely, yeah...

[the phantom]

No, not special treatment, Legate. It's just that now I have a phone and a texting plan whereas before I did not. I purchased them the day after getting Agan's number. I mean- what was the point in having a phone previously?

[Nogrod]

Nerwen- make sure and tell us if you're dreaming Rikae or Nog so that we can scry the other one.Isn't that something for tomorrow - well the next Night?

Or are you just filling the thread?

Or have I misunderstood something?

[the phantom]

Ha ha ha! You're right, Nog. I was thinking as if Nerwen wouldn't be back until tomorrow, but we get to talk all Night. :rolleyes: :D

[Nogrod]

I'd rather be dreamed by Nerwen because I object to being called "prey".I'm perfectly fine with that name. In this game that is. :)

So if they lynch a wolf, Nerwen checks Rikae and you others can scry me.

Ok by me.

[Rikae]

When I scroll up my eyes combine Morm's plan with Nog's sig, like so:

Upon the wolf the Form is red
Form is a wolf there is a bed
But not yet hairy are our feet...

Edit: My post at 6:26. #1140
Oh, great. Now they seem to have agreed we should use "Morm's plan", when Morm posted two different plans. :rolleyes:

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

When I scroll up my eyes combine Morm's plan with Nog's sig, like so:

Upon the wolf the Form is red
Form is a wolf there is a bed
But not yet hairy are our feet...

Perfect :D

As for me, then... I think I am slowly going to start shuffling towards the bed. If there isn't any decent voting option by the time I get there, I think I will simply leave without a vote toDay, even though Nog has now kindly offered himself to wake me up in case something really interesting started happening while he is still around. But yeah. If I am not back, then vote well...

[Nogrod]

Kath's vote looks promising. I think there is quite a lot suspicion on morm and they might bring him to the lynch or at least to be one of their highest vote-getters. So we might just vote for someone who votes morm to show what he is - and of course in trouble try to help and lynch him.

It would be nice to have someone like Lommy voting morm so we could also give the "trust" to someone innocent.

Even if the best would be McCaber voting morm - so morm's own table telling everyone he is a wolf - and die. :cool:

[Nogrod]

That is of course unless they can settle a version and we have time to act on it safely when it is established by their side...

[Firefoot]

It would also be great if the vote started going overwhelmingly top morm and we could somehow signal form..

[the phantom]

For the time being, I will kick back and listen to a bit of music (https://youtu.be/t17gEPAg54c?t=2m16s).

A bit of jazz (https://youtu.be/2EK5kafbYDw).

A bit of Final Fantasy (https://youtu.be/J0ykjghVoaA?t).

And so on...

[Loslote]

With all the talk of the Orms toDay, I just read Eomer's post #781 as saying

What do Borm and Morm think she meant by this?

:rolleyes::D

[the phantom]

Just to make things less confusing, I will now go by Phorm, and Ukri by Norm.

[Nogrod]

It looks like they could still go with this...
morm is a wolf give vote to Form or McCaber
Form is a wolf give vote to morm or Lommy
Kath is a wolf give vote to Eomer or Mith
Mith is a wolf give vote to Kath or Shasta
McCaber is a wolf give vote to Boro
No dreams on this list as wolf give vote to Sally
So if we want to be sure the voting goes as we want it to go it would be nice if Lommy came and voted for morm or Form soonish (McCaber would do as well, but I think he's American so probably votes later anyway).

But so with Lommy voting either of the wolves we could just step on it?

[Nogrod]

Oh, great. Now they seem to have agreed we should use "Morm's plan", when Morm posted two different plans. :rolleyes:I think it the one I just quoted they have discussed a couple of times already.

[Rikae]

I think it the one I just quoted they have discussed a couple of times already.

Yeah, I was just going over it and I think we can trust it's that one.

Still worried they're going to make last-minute changes again. :eek:

But at this point, our options are McCaber or Lommy (preferably Lommy, I'd say, because Form is more under-the-radar than Morm is).

EDIT: My post following this one:

Originally Posted by Nogrod http://forum.barrowdowns.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?p=699193#post699193)
It looks like they could still go with this...
So if we want to be sure the voting goes as we want it to go it would be nice if Lommy came and voted for morm or Form soonish (McCaber would do as well, but I think he's American so probably votes later anyway).

But so with Lommy voting either of the wolves we could just step on it?
Seems like the best option since Morm is more likely to get lynched anyway.

[the phantom]

Okay, so signalling true information would require voting for Form, Morm, McCaber, or Lommy.

Hopefully all four of them vote for one of our two Wolf targets. *crosses fingers*

[Nogrod]

Looks like we might still be able to get to sleep... :)

*VoteLommyVote!*

[Nogrod]

Lommy is the European of them, basically a known innocent, and could vote soonish.

Also pointing at Form would be very good as has been noted as they might get rid of morm themselves.

[Aganzir]

You notice how no one was empowered yesterday?

Maybe it was because YOU DIDN'T LET US BECAUSE YOU TOOK SO LONG TO MAKE A PLAN AND THEN VOTE!
MAYBE IT WAS.

For god's sake.

I'm here and will catch up and then go to bed. There's a known innocent sitting on my floor. She doesn't know I know. Tee-hee.

[Aganzir]

V1: "Hey, the Dead are agitated. What do you think is going on?"

V2: "Dunno. Maybe all those dead Europeans want to vote and go to bed."

V1: "Yeah, you're probably right. Hey, let's debate our voting plan for another hour or so and then wait four hours to cast our votes."

V2: "Yeah, sounds good."
If I repped you for every post that makes me laugh in this game, you'd have more reputation than Legate by now. (Then again Legate would probably have doubled his as well.) Thanks for reminding us to feel positive on these bleak moments.

[the phantom]

I chiefly remember her from the Penguin game, the only time I've been a seer and bungled it so badly that I was nearly lynched on the first day. I dreamed of Boro, tried to raise suspicion against him and he responded by leading a far more successful witch-hunt against me which forced me to out myself. Roa was magnificent - she went into such a rage against the village for trying to lynch me, and stayed up til deadline to defend me against possible attack. It's how Boro got his 'Fenris Penguin' tag. I think the other penguins were Ang and Nog?
Not my finest hour.
:rolleyes:

I can't believe you're forgetting a HUGE component of that game- one that transformed your so called "bungle" into a ringing triumph for Good. I mean, the four lynch victims that game were Wolf-Cobbler-Wolf-Wolf after all. That sounds like a pretty nice "finest hour", doesn't it?

(Nog was a Mod that game. Naria was the other Penguin.)

[Aganzir]

Legate- when it's time to vote I'll text you.
And how, exactly, did you convince him to give you his number? :Merisu:

[Aganzir]

Lommy: "WHAT THE HELL the Dead thread has 1,154 posts!!!?!!"

Anyway I'm confident she'll vote soon because she's tired. Fingers crossed. I don't dare to prompt her.

[Firefoot]

Wholeheartedly in favor of empowering Lommy at this point. Hopefully she votes for morm soon like she just said she probably would.

[Aganzir]

Me too, that would hopefully rid us of both Tweedleorms at once!

[Aganzir]

Is Wolfgang Grip still willing to negotiate before we seal the deal?

[Nogrod]

Agreed.

Do you think we have the numbers (for sure) or do I poke Legate to come and make a vote (he went to bed some twenty-30 minutes ago and I promised to give him a push if there was a clear voting-chance)?

[Aganzir]

Agreed.

Do you think we have the numbers (for sure) or do I poke Legate to come and make a vote (he went to bed some twenty-30 minutes ago and I promised to give him a push if there was a clear voting-chance)?
I suppose that depends on what happens later when more people have voted. Knowing the village (and the wolves' careful scheming), they'll probably manage to muddle it up so that our vote somehow ties it!

[A Little Green]

Phantooooooom can you text me too? Need sleep now.

EDIT: x-ed with a host! So is it Lommy now?

[the phantom]

Heh- I would certainly text you if I could. But despite my jokes, that remains out of the realm of possibility (no texting on my plan- this is literally the first time I've ever wanted it). :(

Though perhaps between Nog, Legate, and Agan there could be some sort of texting chain worked out?

[Aganzir]

If she'd just vote.

Anyway how about us eurooppalaiset vote for her, and those of you able to stick around longer hold it in case something drastic happens?

Also if I had to guess I'd say McC is our remaining wolf.

[Aganzir]

Heh- I would certainly text you if I could. But despite my jokes, that remains out of the realm of possibility (no texting on my plan). :(

Though perhaps between Nog, Legate, and Agan there could be some sort of texting chain worked out?
Yeah I already texted her to tell her she made me laugh.

If you have a data plan (or wifi) though, we use whatsapp. All of us except Legate I think (who's just lazy).

[Nogrod]

If she'd just vote.

Anyway how about us eurooppalaiset vote for her, and those of you able to stick around longer hold it in case something drastic happens?It could be a deal as she's most clearly going to vote anyway - so no vote lost there.

Btw. my internet just started going slower and slower, and then died a moment ago, but happily a restart made it alive again...

[Nogrod]

Is it a deal?

I could poke Legate then - but not if you only then start to discuss whether to vote Lommy or not.

[Aganzir]

I feel kind of dumb sitting here refreshing the threads and posting nonsense while waiting for Lommy to finish talking about Boro and vote and go to bed.

I'm imagining it goes like this:

Lommy: "Done! I'm going to sleep!"
Agan: "Oh cool me too, in a sec. There!"
Lommy: "Hmm...?"
*in the morning*
Lommy: "Oh look they empowered me! Wait does this mean... Form is a wolf!? Wait! It also means... Agan waited all night just for me!?"

Except in truth she's probably going to think something like, "Form is a wolf!? Agan is stupid for taking this game so seriously and staying up so late, there she is, still sleeping!"

She just went to brush her teeth though. Soon, soon...

[the phantom]

What is a deal?

Do we know who Lommy is voting for? Has to be either Morm or Form to make sense.

[Aganzir]

It could be a deal as she's most clearly going to vote anyway - so no vote lost there.

Btw. my internet just started going slower and slower, and then died a moment ago, but happily a restart made it alive again...
Yeah our wifi is down as well. :(

If Lommy votes for a wolf then yes we'll empower her.

[Nogrod]

Has to be either Morm or Form to make sense.No. Voting Lommy means Form is a wolf.

It would be a nice extra if she voted morm though...

[the phantom]

I'd love for her to vote Morm and then we all stack and thus signal Form.

(xpost: yep, absolutely agree)

[Aganzir]

No. Voting Lommy means Form is a wolf.

It would be a nice extra if she voted morm though...
Yeah what phantom means is, we don't want to empower her unless it also betters our chances of lynching a wolf.

xed - yeah definitely.

[A Little Green]

Heh- I would certainly text you if I could. But despite my jokes, that remains out of the realm of possibility (no texting on my plan- this is literally the first time I've ever wanted it).Am I allowed to feel special now? :Merisu:

Anyway I think we can vote for Lommy, honestly if the village messes it up it's their problem at this point. :D

[the phantom]

Yes, Agan. :)

[Nogrod]

I'd love for her to vote Morm and then we all stack and thus signal Form.Exactly.

But if she doesn't, is there another reasonable plan but to vote her anyway? That's what I'm asking.

[Nogrod]

Yeah what phantom means is, we don't want to empower her unless it also betters our chances of lynching a wolf.Even if it risked us actually controlling our own vote?

[the phantom]

Yes, feel very special. :smokin:

[Aganzir]

morm is a wolf give vote to Form or McCaber
Form is a wolf give vote to morm or Lommy
Kath is a wolf give vote to Eomer or Mith
Mith is a wolf give vote to Kath or Shasta
McCaber is a wolf give vote to Boro
No dreams on this list as wolf give vote to Sally
Could also empower morm. Or Form. :p Lommy would definitely be the best though. But I can't see what could go wrong as I very much doubt she suddenly decides to jump on Boro.

[A Little Green]

She was planning to vote morm right?

[the phantom]

They need to lynch a Wolf. I'm just hoping they won't need our bonus vote to make the difference between, say, an unknown and Morm/Form, or Morm/Form and Boro, etc. That's why I wouldn't vote now. Not yet.

[Nogrod]

I mean if we decide the vote like now (when Lommy votes the latest) then you'd get two votes (mine & Legate's), if you then start to think other options (if Lommy doesn't vote a wolf) you need to get it done without two votes on your back.

[Aganzir]

Also I don't think we need to wake Legate up. If you, Greenie and I vote for her now, it builds a base for piling the rest of the votes on her as well but leaves enough freedom to empower somebody else (in this case, Form or McC) if it looks like our vote would tie it between morm and somebody else.

[Aganzir]

Lommy is back from the bathroom!

VOTE! VOTE! VOTE! VOTE!

[Aganzir]

You can do it, Lommy!

http://38.media.tumblr.com/3c8edf68723410dd5cf2b16bd8ee68e0/tumblr_inline_nbyqocQfgu1r578ut.jpg

[Nogrod]

Oh yes, Greenie is around.

Just remember we need five votes to be sure though. Just reminding you so thee is very little leeway to go on other directions...

[the phantom]

Ah, the Power Rangers of the North. I wonder why Aragorn never put out a call to his kin? They could've been useful, particularly when Sauron unleashed MechaGodzilla.

[Aganzir]

Oh dear Sally, I was just about to vote and go to sleep, and now I need to think??

*goes to reread the rules*
:mad: :mad: :mad:

[the phantom]

You thought I was exaggerating for the sake of humor when I made fun of the Living earlier- about discussing for no reason and holding their votes...

Nope. Not exaggerating. They're really that bad.

[Nogrod]

:rolleyes:

[Aganzir]

HA SHE VOTED.

Need to think before voting though. Numbers.

[Nogrod]

Whoa!

++ Lommy

[the phantom]

Morm has two votes now. He'll have to organize a counter-wagon.

It'd be really nice if it's against Form.

[the phantom]

REMAINING VOTERS:

Formendacil
satansaloser2005
McCaber
Boromir88
Eomer of the Rohirrim
mormegil
Shastanis Althreduin
Mithalwen

VOTED:

Kath -> Morm
Lommy -> Morm (2)

Does anyone have a list of which way the remaining voters are likely to vote? That might be helpful if the leanings are strong enough.

[Nogrod]

Numbers.The known wolves have 3 votes, and then there is Rikae who might vote our way (I hope and kind almost trust) or not.

So to be sure 5 votes is needed.

Nerwen is not granted. How about Nilp?

Rune might of course apear but probably not...

Legate can be awaken to vote if needed.

[Aganzir]

So we could have 3-4 European votes for Lommy. If we vote and leave, that leaves four of you (phantom, Rikae, Firefoot and Nilp) with two known wolves, as Nerwen, Rune and Lalaith are unlikely to turn up.

If you decide to go for Lommy in the end, all good.

If however an extra vote for morm would tie the lynch, we shouldn't vote as then the wolves could jump on our Lommy vote and tie it.

So should we abstain then?

Or give her like one European vote to be on the safe side?

edit: xed since my last

[Nogrod]

Does anyone have a list of which way the remaining voters are likely to vote? That might be helpful if the leanings are strong enough.Quite a many voiced their suspicion on morm.

Boro might be one gaining a few votes, but I'm not sure if enough to make a tie there.

[the phantom]

Right- three known Wolves could mess things up. Technically cannot count on either Rikae or Nog.

Firefoot and I WILL be here at the finish. Nilp will be (or I will be very cross with him). That gives us three. Then we need either Legate or Agan to give us knowns equaling unknowns (and the innocent of Rikae/Nog will swing it our way).

(xpost: didn't see Nog vote)

[Nogrod]

as Nerwen, Rune and Lalaith are unlikely to turn up.I wouldn't bet on Lalaith not appearing (not betting on her appearing either, but let's not assume too much).

[A Little Green]

If ou guys want me to vote for Lomzy I need to know it, like, now.

[Nogrod]

Right- three known Wolves could mess things up. Technically cannot count on either Rikae or Nog.Well you can count on me. I already voted - and am going to bed.

My last question just is: do you want another vote for Lommy or not?

[Aganzir]

LIVING:

Formendacil
satansaloser2005
McCaber
Boromir88
Thinlómien
Eomer of the Rohirrim
mormegil
Shastanis Althreduin
Mithalwen
Kath

Three wolves there, is my guess - both packs still represented. If there's no lynch today but two kills tonight, the village may be at 5-3 tomorrow. Which is not good, even if the 3 are in different packs.

[the phantom]

Okay, so, if both Nog and Green go for Lommy and we are desperate to change it at the finish.

Worst case: Mac-Lal-Lottie-Rikae pile on to give Lommy 6. Firefoot, Nilp, Agan, Legate, and I cannot overcome them.

[Nogrod]

And another question: are you really sure you want to put getting the message through in doubt for a possibility there is a tie in the living thread?

There could be, yes, but how probable is that with only two or three wolves left there (and not necessary on the same side)?

[Aganzir]

How about Greenie votes for Form?

That way there's 1 for Lommy and 1 for Form now, and (hopefully) 4 innocents and max 3 (2 most likely though - Lalaith didn't vote yesterday either) wolves.

[Nogrod]

Three wolves there, is my guess - both packs still represented. If there's no lynch today but two kills tonight, the village may be at 5-3 tomorrow. Which is not good, even if the 3 are in different packs.Good point. But why do you think two kills? And wouldn't Boro then take off morm making it 5-2 and they would know then Form is a wolf aka 5-1 the next Day?

[A Little Green]

I think a second Lommy vote won't hurt even if a change of plans is needed so just to be on the safe side -

++ Lommy

[Aganzir]

Nog - that way there will be a message. Obviously Lommy is preferable to morm as she's innocent and would kind of convey information about two wolves, but I prefer a lynch to a no lynch in any case.

[the phantom]

What if Green left a vote for one of the other truthful info candidates (like Form)? Then the Baddies wouldn't have a double-vote to pile onto, just a single. Thus worst case scenario they could swing five votes, whereas Firefoot, Nilp, Phantom, Legate, Agan, could outweigh them by dumping onto the other single vote.

But that would require Agan-Legate of course. Is there someone else alive I'm forgetting? Bah.

(x-post: never mind, Greenie already voted, fingers crossed)

[Aganzir]

Good point. But why do you think two kills? And wouldn't Boro then take off morm making it 5-2 and they would know then Form is a wolf aka 5-1 the next Day?
It's 3 am you can't expect me to remember Boro. :p

[A Little Green]

Sorry 'bout that, bad timing! Anyway good night guys. <3

[Aganzir]

Okay how about I vote Form or McCaber then? Just in case? Have a feeling McC might vote for Boro though. Form voted morm yesterday so maybe him?

[the phantom]

Haven't heard from Nilp, but surely we can count on a Gifted, right? Right?

Btw, if I'm suddenly not around don't get worried. I have to leave soon but will absolutely be back in time to vote (final 30 minutes or so I'll be around).

[Nogrod]

tp: Legate is asleep and I'm going to be as well.

If you have a vote for him in five minutes I can wake him up, but otherwise he will not vote toDay. Sorry.

I think I kind of asked some half an hour ago whether you'd start making new plans?

I migh have voted Lommy like two hours ago and gone to sleep as it looks you guys have totally new plans...

[the phantom]

Agan, we may need you to pile on at the end to outweigh the Wolves. Particularly if Nip isn't around.

[the phantom]

Problem is we can't make plans until the Living vote. They've known this. They've ALWAYS known this. But yet there they sit with only two votes cast.

[Aganzir]

tp: Legate is asleep and I'm going to be as well.

If you have a vote for him in five minutes I can wake him up, but otherwise he will not vote toDay. Sorry.

I think I kind of asked some half an hour ago whether you'd start making new plans?

I migh have voted Lommy like two hours ago and gone to sleep as it looks you guys have totally new plans...
NOGROD. Do you think I'm here making new plans FOR FUN when I have to be at work in less than 7 hours?

Think again before you start blaming others.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[the phantom]

Well, I have to go. Be back later to try and make sure something positive happens. Hopefully Lalaith won't show and Nilp will. We'll see. Everyone just do what you think is best.

[Nogrod]

Form[/B] voted morm yesterday so maybe him?I could bet if we voted to give an extra vote to Form they would not lynch him the next Day.

I know it doesn't say so in the plan that the vote-getter is innocent - but it will have it's effect on them on an insecure situation (they think we could have given it to McCaber but picked Form for a reason).

And are you sure McCaber votes?

And how realistic you think that rivalling wagon to morm actually is? I think most of them have said toDay they could vote for him.

[Nerwen]

Is there any objection to my voting for Lommy?

[Aganzir]

Okay I'm going to bed.

++Lommy

Never mind then let it be her.

Cheerio, Tweedleorms.

[Aganzir]

Is there any objection to my voting for Lommy?
Yay you made it back!

Not really no, I suppose. Even if this somehow happens to tie it for the village, the other pack will take Form out. Or Boro.

[Nogrod]

Think again before you start blaming others.
I'm not exactly blaming anyone - but I am getting tired - and getting to sleep.

I just hope you don't overcomplicate it and miss it.

Anyway, I'm not waking Legate and wish you all the best. Like tp said: let's hope Lalaith doesn't come around but Nilp (and hopefully Nerwen as well) do.

And let's also hope the village does it with a clear difference between morm and someone morm votes himself (it could happen).


I think you know, but just reminding you if you're too caught up in different scenarios at the last minutes: sneaky wolves don't show themselves before the DL, they just vote at the last minute... (fex. Lalaith?)

Okay. Good night and good luck!

[Nerwen]

I'm just worried about them switching the scheme on us at the eleventh hour.:(

[Nogrod]

Even morm seems to have given up... I think today you've decided to go after the most outspoken person...now I know how phantom must feel.Hope so.


I'm just worried about them switching the scheme on us at the eleventh hour.In the end they quite clearly decided to adopt it so I wouldn't care about that. A possible tie might be a worse thing, but even thence they'd learn Form is a wolf and competing packs & possibly Boro can take them both - or the village may lynch the remaining one toMorrow.

[Nerwen]

Okay.

+Lommy.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Did you notice this?
That would be just genious!

Sadly no one seems to be noticing it...Hm, my lawyers might go into action if someone else gets their self-vote empowered before me. :Merisu:

Ha ha, I love it, especially that he's a Wolf suggesting this. Way to go Mith for forcing the conversation toward the Living!

Yes!!!! This is EXACTLY the sort of thing I had in mind. Mith- you have become Phantom! :D In Sally's weird game she was your phangirl, wasn't she?

Nerwen is not granted. How about Nilp?

So we could have 3-4 European votes for Lommy. If we vote and leave, that leaves four of you (phantom, Rikae, Firefoot and Nilp) with two known wolves, as Nerwen, Rune and Lalaith are unlikely to turn up.

Firefoot and I WILL be here at the finish. Nilp will be (or I will be very cross with him).

Haven't heard from Nilp, but surely we can count on a Gifted, right? Right?Yes! I'm here! If you didn't fill three pages while I slumbered I would've posted sooner!

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

*Bellichick voice* On to the Living thread.

[Macalaure]

Is Wolfgang Grip still willing to negotiate before we seal the deal?

I would have, but I wasn't around and now it's too late. Ah well. :rolleyes:

Or can we do a blitz turnaround of the vote and empower McCaber? *puppy eye face*

[Loslote]

I would have, but I wasn't around and now it's too late. Ah well. :rolleyes:

Or can we do a blitz turnaround of the vote and empower McCaber? *puppy eye face*

If we empower McCaber, I'll promise to be good and vote the way you want. :Merisu:

EDIT: And by you, I mean general consensus.

[the phantom]

Honestly Lottie and Mac, I think it's too late to empower McCaber. Lommy already has three votes so to empower someone over her we'd have to bandwagon on them hardcore to avoid the chances of you Wolves tying our vote and sending no message at all.

Basically, the only way it could conceivably happen is if you two voted McCaber (or someone else) right now thereby freeing us to follow your vote without the risk of a tied vote.

[Loslote]

++McCaber

Do as you will.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

*pats Boro on the head* Nice pet bear, good boy. Want more cookies or raw meat now? We are nice little innocent villagers, the wolves are nasty. :Merisu:A penguin taming a bear sounds like something from a Disney movie.

Also, my love is being smart and dangling McCaber and Boro in front of the Wolves. Such wanton disregard for the welfare of others. <3

[the phantom]

Oh wow, voting rush on the Living thread.

Kath -> Morm
Lommy -> Morm (2)
Eomer -> Morm (3)
Morm -> Kath
Shasta -> Morm (4)
Sally -> Morm (5)

Remaining:

Formendacil
McCaber
Boromir88
Mithalwen

So it's done. Morm is toast. All the remaining voters would have to pile on Kath to tie it up.

So, it makes no sense to empower anyone except for Lommy. Whew, that worked out. :eek:

[Rikae]

I would have, but I wasn't around and now it's too late. Ah well. :rolleyes:

Or can we do a blitz turnaround of the vote and empower McCaber? *puppy eye face*

Awww, what a cute widdle wolfpup.

Hmmm.

++Lommy

:p

EDIT: In case I have to delete it, this was my post #1220
Would it help more if I held onto my vote for now or voted Lommy right away?
I mean, she voted for a wolf, and empowering her points to the other wolf. It doesn't get much better than that.

[Firefoot]

I vote no on the mccaber vote... I think they've tipped their hand by asking us, and we need to maximize sally's chance of living tonight.

[Macalaure]

I'll give it a shot.

++McCaber

[the phantom]

A penguin taming a bear sounds like something from a Disney movie.
I'd like to see the gritty reboot of that movie...

[Macalaure]

Werewolves are cool. :cool:

If you want to be cool, too, vote with the werewolves. :)

[Loslote]

I vote no on the mccaber vote... I think they've tipped their hand by asking us, and we need to maximize sally's chance of living tonight.

It won't affect toNight, at any rate. It'll just affect when the village finds out who the second to last wolf is.

[Loslote]

Werewolves are cool. :cool:

If you want to be cool, too, vote with the werewolves. :)

Vote with the werewolves! We have matching leather jackets. :cool:

[the phantom]

VOTING HERE ON THE DEAD THREAD:

Green -> Lommy
Agan -> Lommy (2)
Nerwen -> Lommy (3)
Lottie -> McCaber
Rikae -> Lommy (4)
Mac -> McCaber (2)

REMAINING:
Nogrod
Phantom
Rune
Legate
Firefoot
Lalaith
Nilp

[Macalaure]

Vote with the werewolves! We have matching leather jackets. :cool:

Leather jackets with werewolves on them! :cool: :cool:

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I realised that I need to prepare to go to work soon.

So who do I vote? I mean, I'm all for maximising my precious's survival, but it might be better to hand them sure information regardless of whether I can return or not.

[Rikae]

Leather jackets with werewolves on them! :cool: :cool:

Dont believe him, they're just t-shirts
http://metakave.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/37.jpg

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Leather jackets with werewolves on them! :cool: :cool:So werewolves with leather jackets with werewolves on them... do the werewolves on the leather jacket have leather jackets? (And so on, ad nauseum.)

[the phantom]

Nilp-

We're definitely handing our vote to Lommy. Not only did she vote correctly, but it would give the village the correct info.

The only reason I haven't voted is because I think it would be funny to vote with the Wolves IF every single other person voted for Lommy. :D

[Macalaure]

Werewolves: both cool and cute (ask Rikae ;) )

Vote McCaber!

Penguins: cute, maybe, cool, no.

Don't vote Lommy!


Do the right thing! Be cool!

[Loslote]

Leather jackets with werewolves on them! :cool: :cool:

The werewolves are pretty cartoony, though. It kinda ruins the effect. :o

[Firefoot]

My phone is dying.

++Lommy

[the phantom]

Or maybe we should just vote Lommy right away. That way Kuru can start his narration.

[Loslote]

Do the right thing! Be cool!

Don't listen to the man! Cave to peer pressure! Peer pressure is fun! :D:cool:

[Macalaure]

So werewolves with leather jackets with werewolves on them... do the werewolves on the leather jacket have leather jackets? (And so on, ad nauseum.)

Yes.

Ad aweseum! :cool:

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Mac: the Antarctic would like to have a word with you.

Also,

++Thinlómien

[the phantom]

VOTING HERE ON THE DEAD THREAD:

Green -> Lommy
Agan -> Lommy (2)
Nerwen -> Lommy (3)
Lottie -> McCaber
Rikae -> Lommy (4)
Mac -> McCaber (2)
FF -> Lommy (5)
Nilp -> Lommy (6)

REMAINING:
Nogrod
Phantom
Rune
Legate
Lalaith

[the phantom]

It's basically over. Lommy is up by four with five voters left, three of which are unlikely to show up.

[the phantom]

I'd like to vote McCaber just for fun, but since technically we need another vote to CLINCH it...

++Lommy

[the phantom]

Sally needs to loudly request the Ranger's protection.

Yeah, it probably happened already last night, but on the off chance that it didn't, she ought to make herself look protected.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Once morm walks in here and reads the thread, many of us might be in for bans of varying length. :D

[Kuruharan]

Votes after this post don't count.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Form's Nilped twice this game as well, but... HAHAHA only mine was a fatal Nilping! :smokin: