Tol-in-Guarhoth CIX - Ten Year Anniversary Game: Dead Thread [Archive] - Page 6

Kuruharan

06-10-2015, 08:18 PM

I feel positively unneeded!

*sputters*

Anyway...assumes doom-laden and pretentious voice:

The denizens swirled in the mist, more frenzied than ever this DAY.

Their swirling coalesced into a decision!

Then mormegil joined them.

The Missing or Dead:
Kuruharan
Nogrod
the phantom
Rune Son of Bjarne
Aganzir
A Little Green(Prey)
Macalaure
Rikae
Legate of Amon Lanc (Prey)
Loslote
Firefoot
Lalaith (Predator)
Nilpaurion Felagund
Nerwen
mormegil

The Living:
Formendacil
satansaloser2005
McCaber
Boromir88
Thinlómien
Eomer of the Rohirrim
Shastanis Althreduin
Mithalwen
Kath

Illusion:
Gwathagor (Ordo)

OCC- Oh my goodness, just when I thought this thread couldn't get any funnier...

mormegil

06-10-2015, 08:18 PM

I believe Eomer to be the Ranger.

mormegil

06-10-2015, 08:23 PM

the phantom

06-10-2015, 08:25 PM

Oh and I had puzzled out that Nilp was the other lover. I had hoped to kill Sally tonight too...the foolish other pack *glares* should have killed somebody else last night instead of going for Nerwen. I went for her and got the ranger to protect, knew it would likely happen but had to try, she was to be mine the next night. Foolish move on the other pack. Should have gone for Sally. It still may happen.
Yeah, I figured there was a protection in there. Then last night probably the Ranger protected Sally, thus she dies tonight. We'll see. We're hoping not, but you obviously are rooting for the opposite.

Rikae

06-10-2015, 08:27 PM

The living must feel like they're being left out of the real game at this point.

Edit: the following will be my post #1316, in case I have to delete it because MORM (grrrrrrr)

All right! I confess! I'm a wolf. You've won. Congratulations!
__________________

And this will be my post #1319, in case I need to delete it:
Yeah, Boro must have killed me. I killed you, of course. :Merisu: Thought I saw you sending ranger-hints.

Nonetheless, I'd say he's on track to win this game now and I say we help him. Better a bear than the filthy village.

mormegil

06-10-2015, 08:28 PM

Yeah, I figured there was a protection in there. Then last night probably the Ranger protected Sally, thus she dies tonight. We'll see. We're hoping not, but you obviously are rooting for the opposite.

Indeed, I was quite proud that I spotted Nilp, Form, Mac, Boro and presumably Eomer as ranger.

I actually backed off Form yesterday thinking we'd get more kills if he was alone...guess that didn't work.

mormegil

06-10-2015, 08:29 PM

The living must feel like they're being left out of the real game at this point.

Honestly, it was very frustrating knowing that so much info was one click away and how fast the thread was growing...I figured it was pretty fun in here.

Firefoot

06-10-2015, 08:30 PM

We have to live up to our motto around here of "Enjoy being dead." ;)

the phantom

06-10-2015, 11:25 PM

Well, Morm, have anything to say for yourself? Want to apologize for your murderous ways?

Loslote

06-10-2015, 11:42 PM

Well, Morm, have anything to say for yourself? Want to apologize for your murderous ways?

Never apologize for your murderous ways, morm, that's my advice. Only apologize for your misguided choice of accomplices. ;)

Aganzir

06-11-2015, 12:56 AM

I think all the ordos get 1 month and Nerwen get a 1 year.
Good thing I'm a gifted then. :smoking:

Welcome to dying (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQkOSz-QrIw), morm!

Aganzir

06-11-2015, 01:23 AM

It would have been hilarious if Wolfgang Grip had succeeded in empowering McC as it would effectively have been another vote for Form.

the phantom

06-11-2015, 02:18 AM

Well, goodnight. I suppose by the time I check here tomorrow the course will pretty well be decided.

Legate of Amon Lanc

06-11-2015, 03:17 AM

I feel positively unneeded!

*sputters*

Anyway...assumes doom-laden and pretentious voice:

The denizens swirled in the mist, more frenzied than ever this DAY.

Their swirling coalesced into a decision!

Then mormegil joined them.

Ha! Now Kuru isn't even counting on the chances of there being any cake for Morm.

Anyway, just very quickly: well done folks, and hello Morm (the only question I have for you is whether you were truly trying to be so horribly inefficient in delaying the village and dismissing your own scheme just at the moment they started to agree on it and thus trying to paralyze any of our involvement in the vote, or whether it was a pure coincidence; also are you responsible for the dead Europeans for the same reason?)...

So the plan is that toNight we should let Nerwen scry Rikae, and we scry Nog, right? And hope we can have Nilp come back armed with information.

Nerwen

06-11-2015, 03:43 AM

Ha! Now Kuru isn't even counting on the chances of there being any cake for Morm.

Anyway, just very quickly: well done folks, and hello Morm (the only question I have for you is whether you were truly trying to be so horribly inefficient in delaying the village and dismissing your own scheme just at the moment they started to agree on it and thus trying to paralyze any of our involvement in the vote, or whether it was a pure coincidence; also are you responsible for the dead Europeans for the same reason?)...

So the plan is that toNight we should let Nerwen scry Rikae, and we scry Nog, right? And hope we can have Nilp come back armed with information.

No, it's Nog first, then Rikae- it was discussed earlier. I've sent the dream in already. I guess I should have waited for your input, Legate, but I wasn't sure when you'd show up.

Edit: No, now I see what you meant. I forgot for a moment how the game works.

Nogrod

06-11-2015, 04:09 AM

Edit: No, now I see what you meant. I forgot for a moment how the game works.Rikae said she would prefer not to be called a "prey" - so should we then hope for her sake she turns out a "predator"? :)

Actually we'd have all wolves hunted down if that were the case so why not.

But if you Nerwen have already asked to dream of me then it leaves us to check Rikae then?

Nerwen

06-11-2015, 04:14 AM

No, it's Nog first, then Rikae- it was discussed earlier. I've sent the dream in already. I guess I should have waited for your input, Legate, but I wasn't sure when you'd show up.

Edit: No, now I see what you meant. I forgot for a moment how the game works.

Rikae said she would prefer not to be called a "prey" - so should we then hope for her sake she turns out a "predator"? :)

Actually we'd have all wolves hunted down if that were the case so why not.

But if you Nerwen have already asked to dream of me then it leaves us to check Rikae then?
Yes. And as you say, if by any chance either of you iturns out to be not "prey" we've practically solved the wolf-problem anyway.

Nogrod

06-11-2015, 04:23 AM

I had hoped to kill Sally tonight too...the foolish other pack *glares* should have killed somebody else last night instead of going for Nerwen. I went for her and got the ranger to protect, knew it would likely happen but had to try, she was to be mine the next night. Foolish move on the other pack.So are you actually confessing your pack is dead and done with now? :)

Nogrod

06-11-2015, 04:28 AM

VOTING HERE ON THE DEAD THREAD:

Green -> Lommy
Agan -> Lommy (2)
Nerwen -> Lommy (3)
Lottie -> McCaber
Rikae -> Lommy (4)
Mac -> McCaber (2)
FF -> Lommy (5)
Nilp -> Lommy (6)

REMAINING:
Nogrod
Phantom
Rune
Legate
LalaithNope the phantom. I voted for Lommy (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=699253&postcount=1192) as well.

Anyway toNight we then scry Rikae as Nerwen is checking me.

++ Rikae

Oh and welcome to our company morm! I think you can find many of your friends being already here. :)

Nerwen

06-11-2015, 05:14 AM

++Rikae

Nerwen

06-11-2015, 05:17 AM

Who started calling them Tweedlemorm and Tweedleform, anyway? I'll have to check.

Aganzir

06-11-2015, 05:21 AM

Who started calling them Tweedlemorm and Tweedleform, anyway? I'll have to check.
Me (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=698678&postcount=774), at 3 in the morning.

++Rikae

Kuru, can you call them something other than prey? :p

I'm kind of in the process of updating my night victim list with the new information, but I'm at work and have to switch between tabs every couple of words (and also do some actual work every once in a while :p). Will finish it asap though.

Aganzir

06-11-2015, 06:16 AM

DAY 1 and 2 opinions separated by |||, DAY 2 and 3 by ///
Brackets indicate a vague/changing opinion
Known wolves underlined. Confirmed innocents italicised. Unknowns bolded for easier reading.

NIGHT 2 VICTIMS

phantom suspected: Nogrod, Lottie, Mac, Firefoot
phantom found innocent: Aganzir, Boro, sally, Nilp

Rune suspected: Greenie
Rune found innocent: (Form)

**

NIGHT 3 VICTIMS

Macalaure (KILLED BY BORO) suspected: Aganzir ||| Aganzir, (Legate,) Firefoot, Form, sally, Lottie
Macalaure found innocent: Rikae, Firefoot, Nilp, Legate, Greenie ||| Rikae, Legate, morm, Eomer, Lommy, Lalaith, Mith

Rikae suspected: Lommy, Greenie, Mac, phantom ||| Greenie, Firefoot, Lottie
Rikae found innocent: ||| Agan, Mac, morm, (Firefoot)

Legate suspected: Greenie ||| Greenie, Boro, Firefoot, Lottie, Aganzir, (mentioned earlier but later put on his second-best zone: sally, McCab, Mac)
Legate found innocent: (Nog, Lommy, Form, Kath, Shasta, morm, Mith, Rune, Nerwen) ||| Nerwen, Lommy, Mith

**

NIGHT 4 VICTIMS

Firefoot (KILLED BY GRIP) suspected: (Lommy) ||| Lottie, Mac, McC, (Rikae), (Eomer, Shasta, sally - potentially suspicious for the Nogwagon) /// Boro, Lottie
Firefoot found innocent: (Nog) ||| Nerwen, Form, Rikae, morm, Boro, Shasta, Eomer, (Greenie, Agan) /// morm

Lalaith (KILLED BY BORO) suspected: Legate ||| Aganzir, (Legate, Boro, Mac) /// Lottie, Mac
Lalaith found innocent: ||| Greenie, Nerwen, Lottie /// Firefoot, (Lommy, Nerwen, Mith - assuming Legate as the seer thesis was correct), (Eomer - didn't really say he was innocent, just that he had good points more than once)

(Nerwen presumably targeted by FANG.)

**

NIGHT 5 VICTIMS

Nerwen (KILLED PRESUMABLY BY BOTH FANG AND GRIP)

**

Need to look at morm and Lalaith's posts to find the third wolf. It would really help if we knew which kills they were responsible for. As I said before, a lot of traces back to Boro but not sure I want to start doubting him right now.

Also folks - remember that if Nilp survives toNIGHT, the more information we have for him the better.

That being said I need to get back to work, but I should actually be around in the evening. :)

mormegil

06-11-2015, 06:21 AM

Well, Morm, have anything to say for yourself? Want to apologize for your murderous ways?

I would kill you if you weren't, well dead already.

mormegil

06-11-2015, 06:22 AM

.

Anyway, just very quickly: well done folks, and hello Morm (the only question I have for you is whether you were truly trying to be so horribly inefficient in delaying the village and dismissing your own scheme just at the moment they started to agree on it and thus trying to paralyze any of our involvement in the vote, or whether it was a pure coincidence; also are you responsible for the dead Europeans for the same reason?)...

It was rather fun to keep muddying the waters yesterday. :D

Aganzir

06-11-2015, 06:30 AM

And if morm is responsible for the dead Europeans after his reaction to my joke got me lynched I swear to god I will end him!!
Morm do you have anything to say about this? :Merisu:

mormegil

06-11-2015, 06:51 AM

Morm do you have anything to say about this? :Merisu:

I have plenty to say about it, I won't bore you with all the details...it would be too long and drawn out...probably like two or three sentences and I couldn't in good faith add that much to this already incredibly long thread.

Nogrod

06-11-2015, 06:57 AM

Morm, do you have anything to say about this possible confession of yours (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=699384&postcount=1295)?

mormegil

06-11-2015, 07:10 AM

Morm, do you have anything to say about this possible confession of yours (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=699384&postcount=1295)?

Nope

Lalaith

06-11-2015, 07:19 AM

:rolleyes:

I can't believe you're forgetting a HUGE component of that game- one that transformed your so called "bungle" into a ringing triumph for Good. I mean, the four lynch victims that game were Wolf-Cobbler-Wolf-Wolf after all. That sounds like a pretty nice "finest hour", doesn't it?

(Nog was a Mod that game. Naria was the other Penguin.)

This actually inspired me to go to look at the thread again. You're right phantom, it was a wonderful game (even though I stank in it). Your brilliant Hunter masquerade, Valier's extraordinary psychic powers (and her placard routine against Ang) and of course all those fabulous philosophical deaths courtesy of Nog and Lommy.
What I always remememberd was that when I dreamed of Boro, Lommy sent me in reply a picture of a rockhopper penguin looking absolutely murderous.
It still makes me laugh even now, particularly when I visit the penguin pool at London zoo, (which is full of rockhoppers).

Nogrod

06-11-2015, 07:23 AM

NopeSuch an original answer... ;)

What I always remememberd was that when I dreamed of Boro, Lommy sent me in reply a picture of a rockhopper penguin looking absolutely murderous.
It still makes me laugh even now, particularly when I visit the penguin pool at London zoo, (which is full of rockhoppers).Ohh... those were the days *sigh*

I remember us searching for nice pics of different penguins to be used in the game... I think I can still remember that one. :)

Kuruharan

06-11-2015, 07:35 AM

Kuru, can you call them something other than prey? :p

I asked the Lord High Scorekeeper and he said no, it is a years long tradition now.

mormegil

06-11-2015, 07:46 AM

So are we voting on who we want revealed? Could we reveal Kuru? Would he be predator or prey?

Nerwen

06-11-2015, 08:08 AM

I can now confirm that Nog is an ordo.

Nogrod

06-11-2015, 08:37 AM

I can now confirm that Nog is an ordo.A "prey"! :)

Well, anyway thanks Kuru for a quick deliverance.

Is there anything else but voting Rikae we could / should do toNight to prepare for toMorrow?

Whatever Boro's role he should be able to kill Form toNight - especially now that he knows Form is a wolf. If he doesn't do that I'm getting pretty uneasy with him - but hopefully the village will then see it as well.

It would be cool to have Nilp go back to the Living thread but if Sally was protected last Night then her chances to survive are pretty shallow.

With morm's pack already done away with (wishful but not ungrounded thinking) there might only be one pack left - and thence only one kill per Night (not including Boro). Could they target Boro? Like Form goes against Boro and vice versa this Night and what happens then? Both die?

Any good ideas who the last wolf is?

Unless it is Rikae which we'd learn as everyone has voted here... go for it people, vote as soon as you can so we can get some more info even as the Night is still going!

Kuruharan

06-11-2015, 08:42 AM

So are we voting on who we want revealed? Could we reveal Kuru? Would he be predator or prey?

I would be revealed as "DWARF."

Nilpaurion Felagund

06-11-2015, 08:49 AM

I would be revealed as "DWARF."The food chain goes:

Grass -> Cow -> Dwarf -> Dragon

Therefore a Dwarf is both predator and prey. Is that what you meant?

Also,

++Rikae

Rune Son of Bjarne

06-11-2015, 09:11 AM

Whenever I have bit of sparetime I think "better catch up on the dead thread", then I see the amount of posts and give up.

Today looks like it will be no different.
Sorry.

Macalaure

06-11-2015, 09:18 AM

Whenever I have bit of sparetime I think "better catch up on the dead thread", then I see the amount of posts and give up.

Today looks like it will be no different.
Sorry.

Just skip all the parts where people are talking and look for the gifs and smileys. ;)

Macalaure

06-11-2015, 09:21 AM

All right! I confess! I'm a wolf. You've won. Congratulations!

You're not in my pack, and we didn't kill you either. So unless Boro lied about killing me, you can't be a wolf.

A Little Green

06-11-2015, 09:44 AM

++Rikae

Ahem. I'm still a bit confused as I skimmed more than read a lot of yesterDay on both threads. So - dead wolves are Lottie, Mac, Lalaith and morm, Form is a living wolf, and we don't know who the last one is, right? And Lottie and Mac are packmates, but do we know about the rest of them? Any confessions? :Merisu:

mormegil

06-11-2015, 10:14 AM

Ahem. I'm still a bit confused as I skimmed more than read a lot of yesterDay on both threads. So - dead wolves are Lottie, Mac, Lalaith and morm, Form is a living wolf, and we don't know who the last one is, right?

To hammer this again, now in the dead thread...do we know Nerwen is the seer? Have we checked her :D:p She never claimed it in the living thread

Firefoot

06-11-2015, 11:09 AM

++Rikae

Nilpaurion Felagund

06-11-2015, 11:12 AM

Hm, I missed the chance to Nilp in this thread as well...

Loslote

06-11-2015, 11:25 AM

++Rikae

I'm pretty dubious about their reveal, but at least we'll get confirmation sooner than later. :rolleyes:

mormegil

06-11-2015, 12:06 PM

++Kuruharan

:D

Rikae

06-11-2015, 12:33 PM

Is everyone really that curious to uncloak me?

I feel like Lady Gaga. :rolleyes:

EDIT:

my future post #1356
I was confused for a second there - Eomer's not on the list.

Nilp, I suppose, doesn't know my role now? That's a shame.

As for the final wolf, I'm leaning toward McC at the moment, but we need to look very carefully at Mith & Kath as well.

I suppose there's also the possibility that Eomer was the last member of the other pack and the game only continues because Boro is a werebear... :(

Kuruharan

06-11-2015, 01:20 PM

Is everyone really that curious to uncloak me?

Oh the jokes...the jokes, must not make the jokes!

I feel like Lady Gaga. :rolleyes:

You might want to shower that off...

the phantom

06-11-2015, 01:27 PM

++Rikae

Also, I dreamed Nerwen last night and she isn't a Wolf. Seriously, I had a Downer dream last night! :)

The creative non-fiction department at the university was having some sort of conference/workshop thing and folks were submitting pieces to try and win various cash prizes. I had to rate the papers in order to weed out the bottom half before I sent them on to the department head, the final judge. After a couple of so-so efforts, I grabbed the next paper and was shocked to find the name at the top was "Nerwen".

I wondered what the chances were of there being another Nerwen, but conveniently there was a parenthetical beneath her name that stated, "The Downer from Down Under". And then it all made sense. I remembered on the thread she had mentioned spotty internet going over the mountains- she was obviously talking about the mountains in Colorado on her way toward Nebraska. (Apparently in my dream world there is a road leading straight from Australia to the Western US, ha ha.)

I spent a bit of time wondering if I should excuse myself from the panel on account of knowing Nerwen, because even without reading it I planned to give it the highest mark. I looked around the room trying to find Nerwen (the submissions were made in person and they awaited the results), but I couldn't see her anywhere. Then I realized I didn't know what she looked like because I wasn't linked to her on Facebook. But even as that thought occurred to me another thought overrode it, "It's Nerwen, from the Downs. Of course you'll recognize her when you see her. Downers can always pick one another out of a crowd. We can sense each other."

And then I woke up, nodding my head to that truth.

Legate of Amon Lanc

06-11-2015, 01:33 PM

Well let's see about that.

++Rikae

And amazing dream, Phantom. I haven't had 'Downers-related dreams in a while, maybe I should become a Seer in order to get them.

mormegil

06-11-2015, 01:43 PM

Oh the jokes...the jokes, must not make the jokes!

You must have missed my latest in Crazy Captions http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=696610&postcount=14112

Lalaith

06-11-2015, 01:49 PM

I also had a Downer dream last night - I dreamed that Shasta was moving to Europe and that Mac and Rikae (who were living in Germany) were going to put him up while he found his feet. Everyone on the Downs was very excited about it.

Aganzir

06-11-2015, 02:11 PM

So are we voting on who we want revealed? Could we reveal Kuru?
*eyes Kuru up and down*

Yeah, can we reveal Kuru? :smokin:

A Little Green

06-11-2015, 02:34 PM

Lalaith! Can your dream really happen please?

Lalaith

06-11-2015, 02:37 PM

Lalaith! Can your dream really happen please?

Look! You're excited! Part of my dream is already coming true...

Aganzir

06-11-2015, 02:42 PM

I second Greenie!

Phantom's dream was so funny too. :D

I'm looking at morm's posts to find clues about the last wolf in case it's not Rikae.

Rikae

06-11-2015, 02:44 PM

Macalaure

06-11-2015, 03:01 PM

Lalaith

06-11-2015, 03:10 PM

The little 'birthday girl' ( as we share the same one) was also in the dream but I remember thinking 'oh I can't dream her as I can't remember how old she is'...which was weird....

Kuruharan

06-11-2015, 03:12 PM

*eyes Kuru up and down*

Yeah, can we reveal Kuru? :smokin:

I wouldn't want to cause any heart attacks...:o

Aganzir

06-11-2015, 03:16 PM

Willkommen, Shasta! Fühl dich wie zuhause. :)
Glücklich zu sehen (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysf3GW-PASA), Shasta! Je suis enchanté! Happy to see you, bleibe, reste, stay!

Aganzir

06-11-2015, 03:24 PM

DAY 2

half-defends Mith
suspects Kath ("Too little posting for my tastes and a long history")

DAY 3

says McCaber (along with Nilp, Boro and Eomer) looks the worst among my voters
asks for thoughts on Kath, thinking she'll probably be modfired but could also be lynched as a last resort if no clear suspects appear
getting mixed vibes from Mith
McC (a bit gruff but not alarming), Mith (continue to watch her) and Kath (what can you say?) all in the unsure category on his list

DAY 4

Mith the number #4 suspect on his list
notes that Kath has been silent today
in answer to Mith, explains he put pressure on her to get a better read

DAY 5

disagrees with McC about his (correct) list of Nerwen's dreams
his first Dead voting plan suggests empowering McC if Lalaith is a wolf and (himself,) Mith or Kath if we don't know her role
explains to Mith again why he's suspecting her
his second Dead voting plan suggests empowering McC if morm is a wolf, while Mith and Kath cross-empower each other
suggests looking at those who have delayed with the Dead voting plan, Kath and Mith come to mind
decides to vote for Kath

I may have the days a little muddled up but that shouldn't matter.

Aganzir

06-11-2015, 03:31 PM

DAY 3

going by her Legate as the seer thesis, she suggests trusting Mith

:p

Nogrod

06-11-2015, 03:32 PM

If morm's pack is dead then he knows nothing more we do about them... then of course if it isn't, well a different matter then.

Aganzir

06-11-2015, 03:35 PM

Conclusion: Lalaith has obviously been very careful. However, looking at morm, McC as the last Fang makes the most sense - he's kind of there in the corner of his posts but not really.

Could obviously also be Kath or Mith - Kath's absence would've been as frustrating to her pack as it was to the village. Mith's reactions to morm's accusations look genuine more likely than not though, so I wouldn't necessarily say it's her.

Will take a quick look at McC before going to bed.

Nogrod

06-11-2015, 03:36 PM

Anyway, off to go to sleep in a moment, first time in a decentish hour during this game... :)

Waiting to hear what happens during the Night and whether we still have a game going on when the dawn breaks.

Good Night and good luck!

Aganzir

06-11-2015, 03:38 PM

If morm's pack is dead then he knows nothing more we do about them... then of course if it isn't, well a different matter then.
Well, if it's Rikae then yes, but it doesn't seem likely to me - I'm just kind of used to taking their reveals with a pinch of salt. In any case, it was you who came up with Wolfgang Fang being dead in the first place, and your reasoning didn't convince me. :p

Aganzir

06-11-2015, 03:42 PM

Will take a quick look at McC before going to bed.
Actually, I'm not. I'm following Nog's example and going to bed (very soon). McC has 40 posts and, erm, I have to wake up earlier than I thought. Meaning 6.5 hours. :rolleyes:

Legate of Amon Lanc

06-11-2015, 03:59 PM

I am joining those who are going to sleep at a decent hour :)

Last remark: If for some horribly unclear reason it eventually starts seeming that the Living thread should have no Wolves yet it still continues existing, obviously then Boro should be the one the Living should check (meaning: lynch, most probably). But such a thing does not need to happen, obviously, until there are just very few villagers left (just enough so that there is more of them than Boro even if, say, one of them dies).

Saying this just in case Nilp gets resurrected after all, so that the Living thread can make use of it (I'd trust them to figure this for themselves, but then they seemed to have a bit of trouble with this, although obviously with the assistance of Wolves... so just in case).

Goodnight. (Oh, I just remembered the previous Day here... that was brilliant.)

Aganzir

06-11-2015, 04:16 PM

Yeah, one more thing. Who's to say Boro isn't a cursed, or a mythomaniac? So yes I'm seconding what Legate just said.

Now though -

Goodnight America! Goodnight Australia! Goodnight South-East Asia!

the phantom

06-11-2015, 04:33 PM

I would say not to lynch Boro unless it's the final option though. It'd be ridiculous to lynch him then the final wolf kills and wins. I wouldn't advocate killing him unless we have our hands on six CONFIRMED Wolves and yet the village continues. I consider it my duty to kill Wolves, not Boro. I'd only advocate lynching him if there is for certain nothing else to do.

Macalaure

06-11-2015, 05:08 PM

The little 'birthday girl' ( as we share the same one) was also in the dream but I remember thinking 'oh I can't dream her as I can't remember how old she is'...which was weird....

6 years and naughty. :D

the phantom

06-11-2015, 07:56 PM

Final minutes here. Do we have a dead Sally? Did Boro kill a FormWolf?

*drum roll*

Kuruharan

06-11-2015, 08:02 PM

The residents were languid this NIGHT. Perhaps they needed rest after the frenzy of the previous DAYS.

The denizens did manage to determine that Rikae was PREY. (Ha Ha!)

Then everyone went quiet.

Finally, a portal appeared. "I must go," said Nilpaurion Felagund and back into the vale of tears he went.

When he was gone, the mists stirred again and Thinlómien, Formendacil, and Eomer of the Rohirrim emerged.

(Nilp is hereby removed from the Dead Thread and may not read or post further in this thread until he returns at the close of the DAY.)

The Missing or Dead:
Kuruharan
Nogrod
the phantom
Rune Son of Bjarne
Aganzir
A Little Green (Prey)
Macalaure
Rikae (Prey)
Legate of Amon Lanc (Prey)
Loslote
Firefoot
Lalaith (Predator)
Nerwen
mormegil
Thinlómien
Formendacil
Eomer of the Rohirrim

The Living:
satansaloser2005
McCaber
Boromir88
Shastanis Althreduin
Mithalwen
Kath
Nilpaurion Felagund

Illusion:
Gwathagor (Ordo)

the phantom

06-11-2015, 08:08 PM

Well crap- a triple kill Night. At least a Wolf was in the bunch, but now there is a real question about the lynch.

Macalaure

06-11-2015, 08:15 PM

Neither wolf pack went for Sally or Boro? That's surprising. :confused:

Macalaure

06-11-2015, 08:16 PM

Welcome among the dead, Form! It just wasn't meant to be.

Kuruharan

06-11-2015, 08:20 PM

I was confused for a second there - Eomer's not on the list.

Oops.

Fixed.

the phantom

06-11-2015, 08:21 PM

Just running through a few scenarios...

Scenario One:

DAY:
Lynch one of McCab/Kath/Mith. Innocent.
Nilp returns to Dead.
NIGHT:
Boro kills Wolf.
Wolf kills Shasta.

That would leave Boro, Sally, and an Ordo. Village win. (Or if Kuru doesn't stop the game must lynch Boro.)

Scenario Two:

DAY:
Lynch one of McCab/Kath/Mith. Innocent.
Nilp returns to Dead.
NIGHT:
Wolf kills Shasta.
Boro fails to kill Wolf.

That would leave Sally, Boro, an Ordo, and a Wolf. Boro would know the Ordo. Wolf lynched. Village win (or Werebear win).

Scenario Three:

DAY:
Lynch one of McCab/Kath/Mith. Innocent.
Nilp returns to Dead.
NIGHT:
Wolf kill blocked by Shasta.
Boro kills Wolf.

Village wins (or Werebear has path to victory since no one knows if final Wolf is Dead).

Anyway, just a few ideas. Really I'm still not concerned about the Werebear possibility. I say just kill the Wolf.

Rikae

06-11-2015, 08:33 PM

Oh, that's right, Eomer's been cleared.

Anyway, assuming Boro's ability and role are what we expect, it looks good for us.

Edit: future post #1362

Oh! And I forgot!

Welcome, Eomer, Lommy and Form!

Cake?
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c32/kitty-9thlife/deathCake.jpg

the phantom

06-11-2015, 08:34 PM

I'm definitely hoping Nilp cracks the whip over there so that we can vote properly. With FIVE Wolves here we obviously don't want things close at the end with sleeping Dead Europeans.

mormegil

06-11-2015, 09:20 PM

(Nilp is hereby removed from the Dead Thread and may not read or post further in this thread until he returns at the close of the DAY.)

Sweet, let's talk behind Nilp back...

Aganzir

06-11-2015, 10:58 PM

The scrying happened before Nilp's departure in the narration so technically he should be allowed to know it, right?

And NILP talk to them about voting early! Tell them what we know about the wolf packs! Grr!

Loslote

06-12-2015, 12:30 AM

http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/2014-01/enhanced/webdr05/29/10/anigif_enhanced-8663-1391010336-1.gif

Well, that's that. Can we start a bidding war between the village and the Fang pack for the three Grip votes? :smokin:

Thinlómien

06-12-2015, 01:21 AM

*mutters curses under beard*

*notices doesn't have beard*

AHEM, anyway.

Sucks to be dead!

ToDay would've FINALLY been a Day with actual information and I would have so many things to say to the living. Arrrr.

Also, not too happy to meet Eomer in death. No offense to the currently living, but yesterDay I felt like he's the only one apart from me and the questionable Mr 88 who keeps their wits about and I am saddened they don't have him (or me :p) around toDay. Well, it's not like they're stupid, (actually I believe many of them have had better ideas and more accurate suspicions than me - it's just that I hope they don't fall into any obvious pitfalls and have time to actually analyze stuff if necessary).

More happy about Form's demise. Hats off though, you sold the whole grumpy and confused innocent thing to me since Day1 and I never really questioned it much.

Now off to catch up with stuff. (And work.) I have only seen a couple of posts of the dead thread now but this sure seems like an interesting place. :eek:

Thinlómien

06-12-2015, 01:30 AM

Caught up with the living.

Lalaith? Oh my. Hats off to both you and Boro.

Morm? You don't know how [swear word probably censored] happy I'm for having one [more censored stuff] correct suspicion in this game. *throws confetti*

Also btw the dead-for-longer, stop being so [Lommy gets banned soon] smug.

Thinlómien

06-12-2015, 01:32 AM

PS. WHY do some of the living talk about remaining wolves in plural or talk like Rikae could've been a wolf.

I DEFINITELY DON'T ENJOY BEING DEAD.

Thinlómien

06-12-2015, 01:32 AM

The only good thing?

Shameless floodposting.

Eomer of the Rohirrim

06-12-2015, 01:39 AM

Well hi everybody! :smokin:

Unfortunately I'm gonna miss all this dead fun as I'm off for the weekend with no internet. Village will probably be saved by the time I'm back, so that's nice.

So, uh, see you on the other, other side? :p

Thinlómien

06-12-2015, 01:39 AM

Thanks for the cake, Rikae.

I am also leaning to think McCaber is the remaining wolf, but it could also be Mith, given how she suddenly got cold feet over the self-voting thingy. Then again, it was originally her idea and I don't really know why a wolf would make such a daring move. Of course one of her fellows would've still been alive when she said it so it couldn't have backfired on them both... But still.

Phantom - sweet little Nilp cracking the whip? The living actually understanding that Dead Europeans need to vote early? Fat chance of either.

Personally, I might be around fairly late, given that I'm seeing my friends in the evening and I don't assume to be reunited with my laptop until something like 3 hours before the DL.

edit: shame on you Eomer for ruining my floodposting :p

Eomer of the Rohirrim

06-12-2015, 01:46 AM

I had to do something - I mean, it's not like I could vote for you anytime recently. :p

Thinlómien

06-12-2015, 01:48 AM

(Nilp is hereby removed from the Dead Thread and may not read or post further in this thread until he returns at the close of the DAY.)
Sweet, let's talk behind Nilp back... I misread this as morm addressing Kuru as "sweet" and nearly splurted coffee all over my keyboard. :D

Thinlómien

06-12-2015, 01:49 AM

I had to do something - I mean, it's not like I could vote for you anytime recently. :pAh, fair enough. I am also surprised I didn't really suspect you in this game at all, but at least I got to keep my old enmity with morm in the end, so I am not too unhappy. ;)

Legate of Amon Lanc

06-12-2015, 02:16 AM

Welcome among the Dead, Lommy and Eomer and Orm the Second ;)

Anyway, good to see Nilp is being productive on the living thread, I especially appreciate he really conveyed the slap-the-Living message in a proper way. Way to go, sir! In any case, I am really really happy he made it out of here, because his chances didn't seem that good... but I trusted him, and lo, love has prevailed!

Well, that's it from me for the time being, the ball is on the Living side... a question to ponder meanwhile; what do we do if they come up with a self-voting scheme? Do we have an idea whom to ditch?

Lalaith

06-12-2015, 03:37 AM

Hello Form, Eomer and dear Lommy!
Some of us are on the side of the angels, some of us are not, but we all try to play nicely together. Lommy, I've been reminiscing about your wonderful werePenguins...

Nerwen

06-12-2015, 04:51 AM

Thinlómien

06-12-2015, 05:27 AM

Nerwen

06-12-2015, 05:42 AM

Thanks for the cake, Rikae.

I am also leaning to think McCaber is the remaining wolf, but it could also be Mith, given how she suddenly got cold feet over the self-voting thingy. Then again, it was originally her idea and I don't really know why a wolf would make such a daring move. Of course one of her fellows would've still been alive when she said it so it couldn't have backfired on them both... But still.
She's talking sense, actually- I missed it before, but she'd already made the same point I did in my last post (and is thus, self-evidently, a person of the highest intellect;)).

Thinlómien

06-12-2015, 05:53 AM

She's talking sense, actually- I missed it before, but she'd already made the same point I did in my last post (and is thus, self-evidently, a person of the highest intellect;)).Sorry for the bad phrasing, I didn't mean that it was suspicious to do a little maths and question the self-vote scheme, but rather the way she did it seemed fishy to me. It looked like a wolf panicking. Well, it might well have been an innocent panicking.

Thinlómien

06-12-2015, 05:54 AM

Ah don't I love the dead thread I get to wish wash and flip flop as much as I want and no one will hold it against me. :D

Lalaith

06-12-2015, 06:00 AM

6 years and naughty.

Good to hear! :)

Nerwen

06-12-2015, 06:18 AM

Thanks Legate and Lalaith! I feel like I have a lot of dead inside jokes (pun not intended as for now but might be if I read the thread) to catch up with. If I want to...

Can someone summarize quickly? Was Rikae (or someone else dead) the ranger? Is there something else a dead innocent ought/ would want to know?
All right.

The Dead
Nog -Ordo (dreamed).
phantom -Ordo (dreamed).
Rune -Unknown, Ordo by elimination (barring some further twist).
Aganzir -Hunter (dreamed).
Greenie -Ordo (scried by Dead).
Legate -Ordo (scried).
Rikae -Ordo (scried).
Mac -Wolf (dreamed)
Lottie -Wolf (dreamed)
Firefoot -Ordo (dreamed)
Lalaith -Wolf (scried).
Nerwen -Seer (self-confessed).
Tweedlemorm -Wolf (dreamed).
Tweedleform -Wolf (dreamed).
Eomer -Ordo (dreamed).
You -Ordo (dreamed).

The Living
Shasta -Ranger (dreamed).
Sally -Lover (self-confessed).
Nilp - Lover (self-confessed).
Boro -Special Role (nature unknown).
Kath -Unknown.
Mith -Unknown.
McCaber - Unknown.

Mac and Lottie are members of the Grip Pack. It appears Form was the third member, though he hasn't officially admitted this yet. Edit: Lottie did- I missed it.

Thinlómien

06-12-2015, 06:34 AM

Thank you Nerwen! I would also praise you for winning *fingers crossed* this game for the village but I think you know that. *hugs you anyway* Also very comforting to know that I figured out your dreams pretty efficiently. (This game, I swear, has made me feel SO useless and stupid that it might be unprecedented... :confused: )

Nerwen

06-12-2015, 07:00 AM

Thanks, Lommy, but read tnrough yesterDay's Dead thread and I believe you'll think better of your contribution.:)

Firefoot

06-12-2015, 07:11 AM

At this point I don't have strong feelings about which of the unknowns is the wolf. Probably will be pretty quiet today but will be around for the vote tonight (we'll see how important our say is, I guess.) And good for Nilp for trying to get some real discussion going on over there.

Thinlómien

06-12-2015, 08:25 AM

I start to understand why all the dead I've seen in RL (Agan, Nog and Legate) have been maniacally laughing with their laptops/ smartphones all the time. Dad thread? Mith becoming the phantom? The phantom collecting people's phone numbers? ALSO FYI MAC PENGUINS ARE COOL. (Literally probably, har har.) Rikae's wolf cupcake? Morm banning the innocent from the 'Downs? Lalaith's reminisces of murderous rockhopper penguins?

Nice to have been the village champion. :cool: Although genuinely sorry for taking my time to vote! I was worried every Day about the village not giving the dead thread guidelines early enough but I never thought whom the living vote would make such a big deal. ;)

mormegil

06-12-2015, 08:52 AM

the phantom

06-12-2015, 08:57 AM

Super busy today, but I'll check in later. At the very least I can skim and vote.

Rikae

06-12-2015, 09:43 AM

Ah don't I love the dead thread I get to wish wash and flip flop as much as I want and no one will hold it against me. :D

Well, that was quick! First you were saying you hated it.

I say we scry her for flip-flopping!

And actually if it's the wolf we lynch today than there will only be my kill for one of the other unknowns, and it's all over. If not than I think what a great end it will be to tie the votes on the final day and let the dead decide.

If you lynch the wolf toDay, and the game goes on, we'll know it and know to lynch you, Boro.
If you kill the wolf toNight and the game goes on... we won't know.

Yes, I know he can't hear me. :rolleyes:

Anyway, I doubt the game goes on when the last wolf is dead. It behooves Boro to look potentially lynchable.

Firefoot

06-12-2015, 10:18 AM

I'm starting to get a bad feeling about Boro. I'm betting right now that he's some variant on the were bear and that he wins it all.

Loslote

06-12-2015, 10:55 AM

I'm concerned about Mith. She posts this:

I don't think the village has the luxury of lynching Boro on spec. The wolf is only going to pick off known ordos rather than fellow suspects and you can't rely on the ranger picking the right one even if still alive. And you can't deny Boro has been most successful. Couldn't really have been more helpful.. if you want to kill him before you know it is necessary, when there is still a wolf there well you probably deserve to be eaten aux petits oignons...

Immediately after Boro posted this:

The only reason I'm not dead yet, is because the lone wolf probably accurately judges they can get me lynched if they paint me as the only big bad evil left and to lynch me (which well, might expose the last wolf ).

And I'm a little worried that she's buddying up to Boro in the hopes that Boro chooses to Night kill Kath instead of her, opening up the door for her to pull a wolf victory out of the bag.

Macalaure

06-12-2015, 11:23 AM

I have to admit, I don't really care whether the village or the remaining wolf wins.

The one thing I care about is Boro: Whoever proposes bringing him down has my full support. :mad: :p

Legate of Amon Lanc

06-12-2015, 01:01 PM

Thanks, Lommy, but read tnrough yesterDay's Dead thread and I believe you'll think better of your contribution.:)
And now you can also ready through the Dead Thread like two Days ago and you'll think again much less of your contribution ;) :p But if you thought yesterDay was funny, the previous ones were even worse, I'd say...

I'm starting to get a bad feeling about Boro. I'm betting right now that he's some variant on the were bear and that he wins it all.

I am wondering. Because what if he really is a Wolf? Or in any case, even if he is a bear, he's got a good start. They should certainly lynch him at some point. It is dangerous, because if he is a Bear and they can have two kills per Night, he can easily make it so that he would win. Mesa not like this.

Any ideas whose vote should we empower, now that some are already there?

Nogrod

06-12-2015, 01:22 PM

Or if there are baddie-lovers? Like one wolf had one bear-kind-of-a-lover outsider to the pack? Aka. Boro?

Or be it Mith while Boro is actually the wolf posing in her role?

Or...

I'm kind of happy the game didn't end this Morning - but being still this far in darkness is also quite annoying even if we have already five wolves packed.

And welcome from my part as well: Lommy, Eomer and Form! Enjoy your stay as long as it lasts.

Nogrod

06-12-2015, 01:28 PM

Also Mith and Boro voting together for McCaber like from a shared deal looks a bit fishy. Or am I just too taken with my new theory?

A Little Green

06-12-2015, 01:57 PM

Also Mith and Boro voting together for McCaber like from a shared deal looks a bit fishy. Or am I just too taken with my new theory? It's an interesting theory, don't worry. ;) Anyway yes, I wondered about their deal. Mith looks somewhat fishy, but then, I always think that so I don't know how much I should be trusted in this! Especially as I'm in my typical paranoid endgame state where I suspect everything that moves. :rolleyes:

Anyway, Nilp's scheme was
If Rikae is innocent, give your vote to Shasta, Mithalwen or McCaber.

If Rikae, by some chance, is a wolf, give your vote to Sally, Nilp, or Kath.Do we go by this? They're obviously not self-voting toDay so in that sense there's less pressure on us (which is just as well considering that we have five wolves here, and a majority of the Europeans are innocent). Shasta hasn't voted yet, and Mith and McCaber voted for each other. If it comes to us picking which one we want dead, do you guys have any ideas on who we should go for?

A Little Green

06-12-2015, 02:03 PM

I'll be around for an hour or two longer, but after that it's definitely bedtime for me. We have 11 innocents and 5 wolves here, right? Out of these, I don't think Rune will turn up to vote. If he doesn't, it's 10-5. Basically unless we spread the votes outrageously (like, equally between the three on Nilp's list or something as silly as that), the wolves can't jeopardise the vote. Still, unless we have a clear-ish idea of what we're doing I might have to abstain just in case.

A Little Green

06-12-2015, 02:12 PM

Also, random unrelated question - Tweedlemorm, did you do this on purpose?

That role has made me think though I imagine it is to help us as I think Kuru felt the balance might have been too much in the favor of the wolves at this point.You offhandedly saying the balance was in favour of the wolves had me thinking you had to be innocent for days! :D

A Little Green

06-12-2015, 02:14 PM

Where is everyone? This place is silent as the grave.

Legate of Amon Lanc

06-12-2015, 02:17 PM

Do we go by this? They're obviously not self-voting toDay so in that sense there's less pressure on us (which is just as well considering that we have five wolves here, and a majority of the Europeans are innocent). Shasta hasn't voted yet, and Mith and McCaber voted for each other. If it comes to us picking which one we want dead, do you guys have any ideas on who we should go for?

I think the last question is the one it comes down to. Yes, I think we could follow Nilp's scheme - I don't see why not - and we could vote for one of Shasta, Mith or Cab. Two of those voted already.

Now the question being, whom do we rather want lynched. I have also become somewhat paranoid of Mith now, but it seems like such a random turnover (a moment ago she was willing to let herself be modfired), that rationally, I would be really surprised if she turned out to be a Wolf. Or then she is being hyper-super-clever and it was all an act. Which would really have to be absolutely hyper-super-über-clever.

Cab kind of seems like the "default" Wolf, even though I didn't suspect him earlier in the game very much, he seemed okay. Maybe I could try to do a reread, not sure if I am up to that in very short time, though.

Let's also see if some more votes appear for different people on the Living thread, though I do not expect it much...

A Little Green

06-12-2015, 03:08 PM

I'm dead tired (har har) and need to get to bed soon. Unless something dramatic happens I'm going to give my empowerment vote to Mith as McCaber seems like a more likely wolf to me at this point. Empowering Mr. Ranger would be appealing otherwise but since he hasn't voted yet I think it's too much of a wild card. I'm open to opposing arguments for the next 10-15 minutes if you guys have any!

Aganzir

06-12-2015, 03:24 PM

++Mith

Falling asleep.

Legate of Amon Lanc

06-12-2015, 03:26 PM

I don't see a problem there, I think. Mith's last post seems kinda decent... I just hope we don't have any weird "Boroisheretokilleveryone" scenario, but I guess there is still time for that. I hope.

I just don't understand why at this point he can't state some clear thing... such as "I can't kill people anymore" or "I won't kill people any more" or... whatever.

Formendacil

06-12-2015, 03:37 PM

A sulkish Form sits in a corner and licks his ghostly wounds. He predicted he wouldn't have QUITE enough time to commit to a proper game and is irked at having squandered a magnificent Day 1. Also, his pack is all dead and the malaise of being on the only team definitely eliminated from contention is wearing on him such that he shall now speak only in third person.

Nogrod

06-12-2015, 03:41 PM

Fishy-fishy-fishy-fissshhh!

Find the Fish! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb8mtnWKb2U)

Now where can that fish be? It is a most elusive fish!

A Little Green

06-12-2015, 03:47 PM

++Mith

If something comes up, there should still be enough innocents to override Agan and me. Also, Nog is apparently sleeping with the fishes!

Aganzir

06-12-2015, 03:48 PM

Cheer up, Form! Here's a little something (https://youtu.be/ksnloU_LXyU) for you and morm.

Nogrod

06-12-2015, 03:54 PM

Weirdly, the first noticable thing was that the incessant scratching had finally ceased. Joyful day!What is the meaning of this? That Boro has lost his powers - I think he boasted of getting rid of three werewolves - and there were three scratches in one narration - scratch-scratch-scratch.

What would it then mean as to him - and well everyone? But I'm afraid we can't deduce that and it would be even pretty hard to guess - so maybe we then just ignore him toDay unless there is more knowledge?

Like Legate said, McCaber might look a bit more like a generic wolf, but I'm somewhat more worried about Mith - all her super-activity staying up late and whatnot.

But our voting then?

Should we try to tell them about Rikae (will that give them any clues good enough?) or do we just try to affect the lynch (it might be a close one this time so it might have an effect)?

I'd kind of like to not empower anyone, but with five wolves sitting here idle I'm not too optimistic we could arrange it even if we wished - so basically if we want to vote someone and mean something with it, then we'd have to come up with some decent ideas fairly soon.

Nogrod

06-12-2015, 03:56 PM

Okay. Two votes already for Mith.

I'm not sure I like it, but I can live with it.

EDIT: Sorry: I can be dead with it. Naturally.

Legate of Amon Lanc

06-12-2015, 04:02 PM

What is the meaning of this? That Boro has lost his powers - I think he boasted of getting rid of three werewolves - and there were three scratches in one narration - scratch-scratch-scratch.
I had forgotten about it. Yes, it looks a bit like that. Who knows... I just hope he isn't something Cursed that turns into a Wolf when the rest of the Wolves die or somesuch (we had similar thing in some earlier game, didn't we?). But anyway, for now... I think we should just wait for what happens in the Night. If anything.

Like Legate said, McCaber might look a bit more like a generic wolf, but I'm somewhat more worried about Mith - all her super-activity staying up late and whatnot.
Ha! The last thing is actually a good point. Even though of course, she is two timezones behind us, might not have been that late for her usually... and of course depends what kind of daily time she usually reserves to WW, maybe the evenings are just a nice moment... but hmm.

Should we try to tell them about Rikae (will that give them any clues good enough?) or do we just try to affect the lynch (it might be a close one this time so it might have an effect)?

I'd kind of like to not empower anyone, but with five wolves sitting here idle I'm not too optimistic we could arrange it even if we wished - so basically if we want to vote someone and mean something with it, then we'd have to come up with some decent ideas fairly soon.
It is effectively probably not necessary even to tell them. I mean, they can just assume that she was innocent: they could assume we'd have told them if there was something important. But I stand behind my original statement: the best is to try to convey both, i.e. empower and tell about Rikae at the same time. That means empowering Shasta, Mith or Cab.

And until Shasta votes, and given that we have two votes for Mith already, I could really go with that and empower Mith for now. And see what happens toMorrow (hopefully, nothing anymore, and Cab will turn out to be a Wolf!).

Rikae

06-12-2015, 04:10 PM

At any rate, let's not give our vote to Nilp, Kath or Sally and risk them getting the idea that I'm a wolf (and therefore, that Boro is evil).

I'm fine with Mith.

EDIT:
My future post #1430

What on earth is Sally thinking? Shaking my head over here...
MY future post #1443

No need to wait for me. As far as I'm concerned, Sally's talking nonsense. McC is as good a candidate as any, and if Mith is a wolf, she can be dealt with in turn.
She didn't chicken out of being modfired, she used her vote to try to lynch a wolf, as an ordo should.

++Mith
________________

Nogrod

06-12-2015, 04:16 PM

Just posting Nilp's suggestion to this page as well...
If Rikae is innocent, give your vote to Shasta, Mithalwen or McCaber.

If Rikae, by some chance, is a wolf, give your vote to Sally, Nilp, or Kath.If we are at loss as to what to do we might vote for any of the trio Shasta, Mith & McCaber.

If the wolf hasn't thought of it already, I wouldn't like to empower Shasta to draw the light on him. Of the other two, well Mith already has two...

If it is going to be a race for lynch between Mith and McCaber I'm not sure if I'm having strong feelings either way.

Anyway. Whomever unknown they lynch and s/he is not the wolf, there will most probably be two unknowns left (of which the other is a wolf) + two from the group (Shasta, Sally, Boro) - unless Shasta makes a save either on an attack to himself or to, well Sally (I doubt he will be covering Boro... :)).

So it is perfectly winnable for the village - unless Boro has some such powers we can't foresee.

Nogrod

06-12-2015, 04:18 PM

We seem to be thinking of the same things at the same time... :)

Nogrod

06-12-2015, 04:21 PM

I had forgotten about it. Yes, it looks a bit like that. Who knows... I just hope he isn't something Cursed that turns into a Wolf when the rest of the Wolves die or somesuch (we had similar thing in some earlier game, didn't we?).That would explain his secrecy and continuous talk how he is on the villagers' side "for the time being" and will promise to "hunt the wolves first"... :eek:

So does this all come down to when the last villagers understand it is time to get rid of Boro?

Legate of Amon Lanc

06-12-2015, 04:26 PM

That would explain his secrecy and continuous talk how he is on the villagers' side "for the time being" and will promise to "hunt the wolves first"... :eek:

So does this all come down to when the last villagers understand it is time to get rid of Boro?

Possibly. But in any case, not yet. I think it will really come down to it toMorrow.

For now, as you said, I have no strong preferences either way. If two people already voted to empower Mith, I could also vote for that, just so that we do not spread our vote around. Although the best would be if I could still see a couple of votes from the Living before it, so that we can be sure we are not causing some trouble with that (e.g. a vote tie...)

Nogrod

06-12-2015, 04:29 PM

Although the best would be if I could still see a couple of votes from the Living before it, so that we can be sure we are not causing some trouble with that (e.g. a vote tie...)True. But looking at how late it got to wait for Lommy's vote the last Day - and her kind of "early voter" now off the list of the living - I'd hate to stand by in alert if something then happened - when the import of our vote probably isn't that big.

I'm not going to sleep exactly now, but as it is 1.30am already, I'm not going to stay awake for a long time either.

So giving my vote to Mith then unless something dramatic happens.

Thinlómien

06-12-2015, 04:34 PM

Legate - I'm sure the dead had reason to be disappointed in me the Day before yesterDay, but at least it comforts me I've been more useful than you. :p ;)

As for all this Boro business. Is there really anything we can do about it? If he wins, I daresay he has deserved it. And I still don't think he's evil, unless Kuru keeps changing rules mid-game to keep it balanced, which is not impossible. Incidentally, Nerwen - why did you say you wouldn't get more PMs and the ranger shouldn't protect you?

I suppose we could always ask Nerwen to dream of Boro, but I'm not sure that would be very informative, and we might rather want to check one of the unknowns if Boro can't kill anymore?

As for Mith and McCaber, I'm still undecided...

Nogrod

06-12-2015, 04:47 PM

As for all this Boro business. Is there really anything we can do about it? But I'm afraid we can't deduce that and it would be even pretty hard to guess - so maybe we then just ignore him toDay unless there is more knowledge?

And I still don't think he's evil, unless Kuru keeps changing rules mid-game to keep it balanced, which is not impossible.I just hope he isn't something Cursed that turns into a Wolf when the rest of the Wolves die or somesuch (we had similar thing in some earlier game, didn't we?)

I suppose we could always ask Nerwen to dream of BoroI'm afraid she's only allowed to dream of the dead now...

Firefoot

06-12-2015, 04:50 PM

As for all this Boro business. Is there really anything we can do about it? If he wins, I daresay he has deserved it. And I still don't think he's evil, unless Kuru keeps changing rules mid-game to keep it balanced, which is not impossible. Incidentally, Nerwen - why did you say you wouldn't get more PMs and the ranger shouldn't protect you? I don't think so... because even if they lynch a wolf toDay, and we find out via scry toNight, we won't be able to alert them until the end of the next Day, which would be too late.

We'd sort of need the wolf to actually live through the lynch, and then s/he and Boro to take each other out. Assuming Boro still has kills.

Legate of Amon Lanc

06-12-2015, 04:53 PM

Legate - I'm sure the dead had reason to be disappointed in me the Day before yesterDay, but at least it comforts me I've been more useful than you. :p ;)
Bah! I have been very useful, you'd see how usefull I would have been had I been alive, or even as Dead, had somebody not posted a list for the Dead too late and then changed it into a completely useless one in the last minute! :p

As for all this Boro business. Is there really anything we can do about it? If he wins, I daresay he has deserved it.
Well he (probably) killed a bunch of Wolves, that much I'd certainly give him... But we'll see. Obviously if something doesn't add up and there are like known innocents and him alive, obviously he should be lynched... But even a blind person would see that, for sure...

I suppose we could always ask Nerwen to dream of Boro, but I'm not sure that would be very informative, and we might rather want to check one of the unknowns if Boro can't kill anymore?
Can she dream about the Living even now?

As for Mith and McCaber, I'm still undecided...
By the way, let's bear in mind that we are empowering now... so if we vote, in this case we vote for lynching the other person than whom we vote for...

Thinlómien

06-12-2015, 05:01 PM

Silly me, you guys are right about the see dreams of course...

the phantom

06-12-2015, 05:06 PM

I won't be able to read anything until the final hour, so I'll probably just be following whatever you all are doing (so that the Wolves can't mess it up I'll bandwagon).

Nogrod

06-12-2015, 05:20 PM

I pretty seriously disagree with this plan.How am I not surprised? :confused:

Legate of Amon Lanc

06-12-2015, 05:22 PM

How am I not surprised? :confused:

Not that I think there might not have been better plans, but saying a bit more would be better...

Nogrod

06-12-2015, 05:23 PM

Not that I think there might not have been better plans, but saying a bit more would be better...Maybe... in something like the next two hours there will be some decision as to whether they should discuss some other plan or not...

Legate of Amon Lanc

06-12-2015, 05:55 PM

Okay, it's really hard. Now basically, I think I want to vote, so... just really depends for whom. Maybe we should not make anything dramatic out of it and just vote for one person, and then we can vote for someone else the next Day. And hopefully it won't be even necessary.

And Nilp..Mummie loves you no matter what
I just hope this is not a Wolf's genuine remorse.

Nogrod

06-12-2015, 05:57 PM

It seems they are starting to discuss in the Living thread, but my bedtime approaches fast - and I have seen how long these deliberations tend to take.

I tihnk I can see both sides of the issue and neither makes me any more certain x or y is a wolf.

So unless a masterplan comes forwards from somewhere in five minutes, I'm off with one more vote to Mith.

Thinlómien

06-12-2015, 05:58 PM

I should go to sleep but urgh this is difficult.

For what it's worth, I don't think Sally's point for McC's innocence is very convincing. He could easily be a wolf who took the chance to get a free pass and explained it away later.

Then again Mith's recent interest in the game is kind of fishy. As if she was increasingly in charge about her team winning the game...

Back in 10min to vote.

Just wondering if I voted to empower McC to leave the decision to the dead Americans (:p) would that open too wide a door for the dead wolves to mess it up?

I'm too tired to count.

edit: xed with the two people who are in the same room atm irl

Nogrod

06-12-2015, 06:03 PM

What on earth is Sally thinking? Shaking my head over here...Kind of nice to know someone level-minded is thinking Sally is wrong - but then again Mith isn't actually making herself look innocent, rather the contrary.

Legate of Amon Lanc

06-12-2015, 06:04 PM

Then again Mith's recent interest in the game is kind of fishy. As if she was increasingly in charge about her team winning the game...

Well, to be honest, with the last post, I also started to see her last concerns as possible concerns of a normal innocent who is close to end of the game as well, and does not want McCaber to be accidentally cleared when he might be a Wolf. Just think of yourselves in that situation.

I will probably empower her and be done with it.

Nogrod

06-12-2015, 06:07 PM

Mac and Lottie are members of the Grip Pack. It appears Form was the third member, though he hasn't officially admitted this yet. Is this our best bet this far? So morm and Lalaith might wish to help the last wolf. How about the other pack?

Would you guys help us flush your competition so that they don't get the bragging rights over you?

I mean if we left the voting a bit more close and you guys made sure morm & Lalaith can't save their mate if there is close call?

Nerwen

06-12-2015, 06:09 PM

Quick note here: Nilp was given the scrying results and has passed them on. We're not votimg to convey information.

Firefoot

06-12-2015, 06:11 PM

I'm actually more siding with Sally... why wouldn't McCaber have killed her if he knew she was the lover? If he's the wolf that was a serious tactical error.

Thinlómien

06-12-2015, 06:12 PM

Btw is our understanding of the wolf packs based on anything else but Lottie and Mac's confession? If yes why are we taking their word for it?

(Please if the answer is "yes", just ignore me. You don't need to waste your time explaining. I can find it out later.)

Thinlómien

06-12-2015, 06:13 PM

Not killing Sally looks like a tactical error for any wolf...

Nogrod

06-12-2015, 06:13 PM

Quick note here: Nilp was given the scrying results and has passed them on. We're not votimg to convey information.Except they're asking it for Rikae - for what that is worth... It was Nilp's plan.

Nogrod

06-12-2015, 06:14 PM

Not killing Sally looks like a tactical error for any wolf...But did McCaber come to "realise" Sally being a lover before or after?

Legate of Amon Lanc

06-12-2015, 06:14 PM

I'm actually more siding with Sally... why wouldn't McCaber have killed her if he knew she was the lover? If he's the wolf that was a serious tactical error.

Who knows, he could have thought she was protected, or whatever... Or could he? Would he know that she was protected the Night before? (I am leaving this question probably to you to answer, because I am really going to go to sleep now.)

So now just - should I/we vote here now (I think I'd go for empowering Mith after all), or leave it for you folks to decide?

Nerwen

06-12-2015, 06:15 PM

Legate - I'm sure the dead had reason to be disappointed in me the Day before yesterDay, but at least it comforts me I've been more useful than you. :p ;)

As for all this Boro business. Is there really anything we can do about it? If he wins, I daresay he has deserved it. And I still don't think he's evil, unless Kuru keeps changing rules mid-game to keep it balanced, which is not impossible. Incidentally, Nerwen - why did you say you wouldn't get more PMs and the ranger shouldn't protect you?
Just on the off-chance that it would convince the wolves that I wasn't worth killing, that's all- I was pretty sure I'd already been protected.

Nogrod

06-12-2015, 06:16 PM

Oh no... here we're stuck again at this hour of the Day - things start moving when it is totally too late.

Shall we just vote for Mith and convey the info Rikae is innocent? And just trust the living to do the right thing?

Nogrod

06-12-2015, 06:19 PM

Honestly though, as much as I prefer Mith as a candidate, I would be totally okay with tying them and letting the dead decide, assuming we think we can get away with that.I so hope they don't end up with this idea...

Firefoot

06-12-2015, 06:21 PM

Now they're trying to tie the vote for us...

Thinlómien

06-12-2015, 06:21 PM

Just a sec -

There are now two votes in the living thread for McC.

One for Mith.

Sally and Shasta look like they might vote Mith.

If they indeed do, Kath doesn't appear (fairly likely) and we empower Mith, it's going to be a tie. ARR.

edit: xed

Legate of Amon Lanc

06-12-2015, 06:24 PM

Now they're trying to tie the vote for us...

That's not a bad thing in the end, we'll then just see if we were right or wrong. The bad thing would be if they make one person lead by 1 vote, and then we empower somebody so the other person gets lynched. So I just hope they either cast votes overwhelmingly for one person, or make it a perfect tie and we decide.

Nogrod

06-12-2015, 06:24 PM

Shall we leave it to the late-ones?

We three here in Finland vote McCaber and you guys carry it from there seeing it is not a tie?

Thinlómien

06-12-2015, 06:25 PM

I forgot Nilp. But he might not be around, or whatever.

Did I mention yet that being dead sucks?

edit: xed

Thinlómien

06-12-2015, 06:31 PM

Mith just made herself look a tiny bit more innocent by reminding the living of the threat posed by dead American wolves.

Therefore

++Mith

Let's hope this won't end up as a tie. Dead innocent non-Europeans, do your best. <3

Good night!

Fingers crossed the game's over in 1,5h!

Nogrod

06-12-2015, 06:31 PM

Okay. It's up avoiding a tie - and since there is a majority of wolves in the late-shift here in the Dead Thread, we'll just do the best we can to make one decision and then let's see how the Living fare with it.

++ Mith

Good night and good luck!

Legate of Amon Lanc

06-12-2015, 06:35 PM

Basically, MOST IMPORTANT THING NOW:

We HAVE TO vote the way that there isn't a tie in the Living thread. Because if there is a tie, there will be no lynch. And that's the only thing we do not want now. Be it Cab or Mith, whatever, the other one can be always lynched toMorrow.

So might just as well vote Mith and be done with it.

++Mithalwen

The one and only danger now - but we can't do anything with it from here - is if Mith is about to be lynched by the margin of one vote, then we empower her vote against Cab, it's a tie. But we really can't do anything about that. It's up to the Living to realise that they either have to vote so that they create a tie on their side (leaving the decision to our empowering vote) or to have their main lynchee lead by two votes, so that our extra vote won't mess it up even if it's for the other person.

Well, good night. Hope tomorrow is good.

Nerwen

06-12-2015, 07:11 PM

++Mith

the phantom

06-12-2015, 07:34 PM

Sorry so busy today.

Are we all voting Mith?

Firefoot

06-12-2015, 07:54 PM

++Mith

the phantom

06-12-2015, 07:56 PM

Wish I would've had time today to actually look at the various arguments for why so-and-so looks guilty over others. Ah well...

Has Boro said who he will attempt to kill tonight? That would be nice to know.

++Mith

Kuruharan

06-12-2015, 08:00 PM

Votes after this post do not count.

Narration will follow.

Kuruharan

06-12-2015, 08:15 PM

The langour continued this DAY...and yet paradoxically, the denizens were very decided about the appropriate action toward the Living.

The mists stirred and a strangely sad seeming Nilpaurion returned to them.

He was closely followed by McCaber.

The Missing or Dead:
Kuruharan
Nogrod
the phantom
Rune Son of Bjarne
Aganzir
A Little Green (Prey)
Macalaure
Rikae (Prey)
Legate of Amon Lanc (Prey)
Loslote
Firefoot
Lalaith (Predator)
Nerwen
mormegil
Thinlómien
Formendacil
Nilpaurion Felagund (Lover)
McCaber

The Living:
satansaloser2005
Boromir88
Shastanis Althreduin
Mithalwen
Kath

Illusion:
Gwathagor (Ordo)

OCC - As I'm going to a play tomorrow I am going to have to move the deadline up by...probably kind of a lot, but unhelpfully I'm not sure when yet. I will keep everyone posted.

Kuruharan

06-12-2015, 08:29 PM

Thirty-seven pages? My, have you people been busy.

*grumbles off to do his reading*

Make sure you start from the beginning and read every bit.

It is totally worth it. :D

Macalaure

06-12-2015, 09:05 PM

Thirty-seven pages? My, have you people been busy.

*grumbles off to do his reading*

We expect a 5-page essay by tomorrow. :p

McCaber

06-12-2015, 09:44 PM

It's bad enough having to read five pages of the phantom. If you expect me to write about him too, you've got another thing coming.

Macalaure

06-12-2015, 09:56 PM

You only got til page 5? Then you didn't get to any of the good stuff yet. ;)

McCaber

06-12-2015, 09:59 PM

You only got til page 5? Then you didn't get to any of the good stuff yet. ;)

Just hit page 20. I'm saying that tp's had roughly a quarter of the posts I've seen so far.

Macalaure

06-12-2015, 10:15 PM

Too true. :rolleyes: :D

the phantom

06-12-2015, 10:21 PM

You're lucky I've been busy lately, McCaber. :D

McCaber

06-12-2015, 10:26 PM

Completely caught up now. Y'all dead people suck. Voting against me and then making me read thirty-seven pages of the worthless banter you guys threw around.

For the record, I meant everything I said this game, up to and including Nilp being sally's lover and me covering for them yesterDay. And especially about not trusting Boro to be on the side of the village.

Aganzir

06-13-2015, 02:35 AM

I'm sure you did. :p

++McCab

Nerwen

06-13-2015, 02:45 AM

Enjoy you death, McCaber!

Agan, wouldn't it be better if I dreamed McCaber and Rune got scried?

Aganzir

06-13-2015, 03:07 AM

Enjoy you death, McCaber!

Agan, wouldn't it be better if I dreamed McCaber and Rune got scried?
Yeah it would, actually. I kind of forgot he's playing. :o

Legate of Amon Lanc

06-13-2015, 03:15 AM

Welcome, McCab! If you have read all of the thread, well, then you deserve a... cake... *glares at the sad remains* Anyway, it's quite a feat, and hope it at least was entertaining.

So do you (others) think Mith is a Wolf, or what? Or Kath? Or Boro?

Generally I agree with Nerwen's suggestion, let's check our Mr. Enigma son of Bjarne and she can dream Cab.

Nogrod

06-13-2015, 04:18 AM

Generally I agree with Nerwen's suggestion, let's check our Mr. Enigma son of Bjarne and she can dream Cab.Exactly my thoughts as well. I mean the last time Kuru sent your dream back as soon as he got it so it would be nicer to actually know what McCaber is as early as possible while Rune can wait till the change of the Day (I'm pretty positive he isn't a wolf).

So.

++ Rune

As he is effectively the only one we don't know if Nerwen dreams of McCaber.

Meanwhile, what do you think, which is the greater problem now: Mith being a wolf or Boro finally turning into a werewolf after the itching has ended with his three bonus-kills? Knowing whether McCaber speaks the truth would of course help a lot speculating that...

Nogrod

06-13-2015, 04:20 AM

And of course most importantly, is there anything we can do about that?

If an innocent just voted the right way - and early enough - we could jump on that and try to actually make a difference in the lynch-vote? I mean it's probably going to be a close vote toMorrow in the Living Thread.

Nogrod

06-13-2015, 04:21 AM

... if we had a plausible working theory or hypotheses about the greatest threat to the village, of course.

Nerwen

06-13-2015, 04:38 AM

++Rune

Nerwen

06-13-2015, 04:43 AM

Meanwhile, what do you think, which is the greater problem now: Mith being a wolf or Boro finally turning into a werewolf after the itching has ended with his three bonus-kills? Knowing whether McCaber speaks the truth would of course help a lot speculating that...
Are we counting Kath out? And why?

Nogrod

06-13-2015, 04:54 AM

Are we counting Kath out? And why?I hope not.

What I was thinking was that I was asking for the most imminent threats... which I think she isn't - even if she could be a wolf for sure.

I don't know if I wish to start this age-old discussion here - and I'm not suggesting we'd just "forget" Kath - but I still think like years ago, that if someone wins the game by not actually playing and showing-off as someone who's completely lost because she hasn't read anything etc. I think that win goes undeserved and should not be minded.

I mean whether we win or lose this has been a totally funny game and certainly worth playing. So I'm not thinking winning or losing is such a big deal - unlike a fun game.

Nilpaurion Felagund

06-13-2015, 04:56 AM

I suppose photos of my swimming topless has already been leaked by morm, so...

Did y'all consider Mith more trustworthy than McCaber? Or did I compound my messing up not seeing Rikae's role by messing up with that not-that-well-thought-out vote list plan thingy and then not being around to shepherd proceedings?

Nogrod

06-13-2015, 05:04 AM

Did y'all consider Mith more trustworthy than McCaber? Or did I compound my messing up not seeing Rikae's role by messing up with that not-that-well-thought-out vote list plan thingyNo we didn't. I think many of us were pretty uneasy with Mith and I must admit I would probably have been happier had she been lynched - but that was a narrow call, I'd say.

And as a couple of europeans had already voted to empower Mith earlier and we had five wolves to sabotage the DL, there were no good chances to leave the final decision to the last minutes either (especially if the wolves could have forced a tie in the Living thread).

Yes we did go by your suggestion to tell them about Rikae as there seemed to be no clearly better options for us.

A Little Green

06-13-2015, 06:21 AM

++Runey

This might be my only contribution toNight. If so, I trust you guys to do the right thing. :p

Kuruharan

06-13-2015, 11:28 AM

Deadline today will be 7:00 PM Eastern.

Nilpaurion Felagund

06-13-2015, 12:19 PM

++Nilpaurion Felagund

the phantom

06-13-2015, 01:19 PM

++Rune

Firefoot

06-13-2015, 01:28 PM

++Rune

Rikae

06-13-2015, 01:50 PM

Yeah, why not

++Rune

EDIT: This was originally my post #1496

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nerwen http://forum.barrowdowns.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?p=699706#post699706)
McCaber is a WOLF!!!!

Yay! I got two of 'em right!

And booo, Boro's going to know we know that and we're probably not going to get the chance to lynch him toMorrow.
__________________

Just in case it needs to be deleted for the cause of getting Boro lynched.

Nerwen

06-13-2015, 02:44 PM

McCaber is a WOLF!!!!

Legate of Amon Lanc

06-13-2015, 02:54 PM

McCaber is a WOLF!!!!

In the name of all!!!!!

Thinlómien

06-13-2015, 02:56 PM

I believe I just genuinely cursed out loud bilingually!

Thinlómien

06-13-2015, 02:56 PM

PS, Nerwen you sure you're not messing with us?? :D

Nogrod

06-13-2015, 02:58 PM

Sheeeeeeet! :eek:

Legate of Amon Lanc

06-13-2015, 02:59 PM

*wipes sweat from the brow*

Anyway, for completion's sake

++Rune

And now what. Does somebody have a secret role powers with a secret way to tell the village? Though I *did* say it before Nilp went back...

(Or please, Nerwen, say it was a joke...)

Macalaure

06-13-2015, 02:59 PM

Well, in that case...

...can we kill Boro now? :Merisu:

Nogrod

06-13-2015, 02:59 PM

So they need to lynch Boro the next Day or the village loses...

Rikae

06-13-2015, 02:59 PM

McCaber is a WOLF!!!!

Yay! I got two of 'em right!

And booo, Boro's going to know we know that and we're probably not going to get the chance to lynch him toMorrow.

Nogrod

06-13-2015, 03:00 PM

Shasta was pretty suspicious of Boro. Let's hope he will stand up for it and get his will through.

Nogrod

06-13-2015, 03:02 PM

And booo, Boro's going to know we know that and we're probably not going to get the chance to lynch him toMorrow.I think Boro is not killing anyone toNight and will be trying to claim there is just one wolf around and therefore the village should not lynch him as he is not that...

EDIT: Totally stupid reasoning... sorry. I'll take it a new...

Thinlómien

06-13-2015, 03:02 PM

Oh Shasta you will be my champion, don't fail me now! *desperately wishes he could hear this*

++Rune btw

Legate of Amon Lanc

06-13-2015, 03:03 PM

Well, in that case...

...can we kill Boro now? :Merisu:

Do you want to now tell us about your superpower of killing people from beyond the grave? Kuru? Is there something like if both of the Wolf-packs combine into a Mega-Zord, they can kill even a living person? No?

Legate of Amon Lanc

06-13-2015, 03:05 PM

I think Boro is not killing anyone toNight and will be trying to claim there is just one wolf around and therefore the village should not lynch him as he is not that...

You mean, Boro will claim that he did not kill anyone toNight, and he will just say "hey, whoever made the kill toNight is the remaining Wolf! It had to be... (XY)"

Thinlómien

06-13-2015, 03:09 PM

I am worried Boro will kill Shasta and he will not protect himself but Sally. Let's hope I'm wrong...

Nerwen

06-13-2015, 03:10 PM

No, I am not joking, unfortunately.

Nogrod

06-13-2015, 03:11 PM

It is going to be interesting indeed.

Will Boro know or trust the last wolf is dead or no?

He might not do a Night-kill if he's thinking there is one wolf left - and thus clean his name. With no Night kill though he would be strongly incriminated to be the one because of whom the game still continues... the ranger-save nothwithstanding...

He might do a Night kill if he thinks the last wolf is dead - and then he could claim he is just on the villagers' side and it was the last remaining wolf who did the killing. But he doesn't actually know that and there being two deaths (which is possible from his POV - even if we know it actually isn't) would incriminate him heavily in that case as well.

So what will he choose - to kill or not to kill? And will Shasta be saving himself / Sally succesfully if he goes for the kill?

So many things that could so many possible ways...

Macalaure

06-13-2015, 03:13 PM

Firefoot

06-13-2015, 03:13 PM

And here everyone thought I was wasting my time analyzing (http:// http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=697364&postcount=252) the tie suggestion. :p

Nogrod

06-13-2015, 03:18 PM

Darn it. It would seem Boro would need to decide by himself which one he'd have harder times to explain himself out of: there being no kill or there being two. Sadly it looks like it would be easier to him to try and escape the lynch explaining two kills than none and therefore he's most probably going to go for a kill toNight. :(

Legate of Amon Lanc

06-13-2015, 03:23 PM

Will Boro know or trust the last wolf is dead or no?

He might not do a Night-kill if he's thinking there is one wolf left - and thus clean his name. With no Night kill though he would be strongly incriminated to be the one because of whom the game still continues... the ranger-save nothwithstanding...

He might do a Night kill if he thinks the last wolf is dead - and then he could claim he is just on the villagers' side and it was the last remaining wolf who did the killing. But he doesn't actually know that and there being two deaths (which is possible from his POV - even if we know it actually isn't) would incriminate him heavily in that case as well.

Well, he was offering yesterDay to the villagers that he could kill one of the remaining unknown people if the game continues (Mith, it seemed). So he could be safe with making a Night-kill, because a) it is better for him (I presume) to kill as many people as he can, b) in his thinking, if there happened to be a Wolf still around and thus there were two Night-kills, he could just say "oh, but I was just acting in the interests of the village, you know".

The best he could do (from our perspective) would be of course if he did not send the kill, because then the village would be just "wait a moment... how comes there wasn't a kill?" But I wouldn't really rely on that. See above.

The only thing that might happen, it might limit his killing options, since he might not want to raise suspicion. So he might not want to kill e.g. Sally, but rather Mith, since she is one of the potential unknowns. I would imagine it might be really a bit difficult for him at this stage.

(...Unless something totally different is true and because the whole game is based on the Living not knowing anything, and the point is kind of for the Dead to try to pass info from beyond the grave, and since there is the option to have no lynch at all by making a tie, maybe Boro is innocent killer and Kuru is just messing with us and waiting for the Living to stop lynching whenever they will, or eliminate themselves completely. But no, that is something the phantom would do as a Mod, not Kuru. I hope. ;) )

Legate of Amon Lanc

06-13-2015, 03:30 PM

Do you want to now tell us about your superpower of killing people from beyond the grave? Kuru? Is there something like if both of the Wolf-packs combine into a Mega-Zord, they can kill even a living person? No?Death did nothing to sate my lust for blood!

I don't know how. I don't care. You guys are the innocents. You figure it out. :p

I like your idea, though. Kuru, make it happen! :D
That's how I like you, Mac! You should do some... "bloodvote" or something... Agree on Boro's kill and PM it to Kuru.

And since I was just asked by Lommy what is a Megazord, here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3w7CTpNH-E) is an explanation. These youngsters and their lack of classical education these days!

Nogrod

06-13-2015, 03:38 PM

I am actually having a phantomesque plan... :rolleyes:

So as we have no clear means of telling the Living to kill Boro let's try to give them an indirect - and kind of an odd one.

Boro sure is Boromir88.

And the Living know this thread buzzes with astonishing amount of posting all the time.

So how about we stop posting after the next ..88 replies to the thread and remain silent for a half a Day at least?

Someone might notice there is something wrong with the Dead Thread - and someone might then realize the number of replies is ..88 - well it seems 1588 is our next ..88.

If we could fill the thread up to that many replies for the new Day to Dawn and then have a silence of half a Day... Could it work?

the phantom

06-13-2015, 03:40 PM

Ooo, how interesting. Now Boro can take a shot at Sally or Shasta and leave Mith and Kath to see if competing Wolf-accusations will form.

Unless of course with the Wolves Dead Boro will stop killing?
And actually if it's the wolf we lynch today than there will only be my kill for one of the other unknowns, and it's all over.
That was his opinion of what would happen after a Wolf-lynch. We'll see if he in fact refrains from targeting Mith or Kath...

Legate of Amon Lanc

06-13-2015, 03:41 PM

Someone might notice there is something wrong with the Dead Thread - and someone might then realize the number of replies is ..88 - well it seems 1588 is our next ..88.

If we could fill the thread up to that many replies for the new Day to Dawn and then have a silence of half a Day... Could it work?

Not a bad idea by itself, we certainly don't have very much to say anymore toNight, right? So we could leave it at least until then.

It would be really cool.

People just should be really careful about crossposting among the last posts before 1588 and such :)

It would be something like 77 posts to go after mine... two pages. Doable? (We could name this The Spam Thread.)

I am quite fine with it. Really. Nothing to lose there.

the phantom

06-13-2015, 03:41 PM

Ha ha, Nog, that is fantastic! :D

Thinlómien

06-13-2015, 03:42 PM

:D:D:D

Nogrod I so much hope that would work, but I am little skeptical.

Legate of Amon Lanc

06-13-2015, 03:43 PM

:D:D:D

Nogrod I so much hope that would work, but I am little skeptical.

Just so that the rest of you know, she is basically having a fit of laughter on the sofa...

(Filling the post count already...)

Nogrod

06-13-2015, 03:44 PM

Actually it would have to be post 1589 because that would then show at the "Active topics" as 1588 replies...

Legate of Amon Lanc

06-13-2015, 03:44 PM

Actually, Phantom, may I ask (a reasonable excuse to post): why do your posts (at least the last two ones, haven't checked the previous ones) have the arrow icon in the heading? (Yeah, that *points up* one.)

Legate of Amon Lanc

06-13-2015, 03:45 PM

Actually it would have to be post 1589 because that would then show at the "Active topics" as 1588 replies...

Would it? Doesn't it count the first post already as a "reply" (despite semantics)?

Nogrod

06-13-2015, 03:48 PM

Would it? Doesn't it count the first post already as a "reply" (despite semantics)?The first post of the thread is "a post" and then the rest are replies to it. So the number of posts per thread are always one up to the number of replies shown in the "menu"-page.

the phantom

06-13-2015, 03:48 PM

Scenario 1:

Boro kills Shasta, and everyone thinks a Wolf is still left. Kath or Mith gets lynched. Boro kills Sally. Game over. Victory Werebear.

Scenario 2:

Boro gets blocked by Shasta and no one knows what to do. Mith gets lynched. Boro kills Sally. Final day debate between Kath and Boro with Shasta deciding. In that scenario we will have had a chance to signal the Living that McCaber is a Wolf. Boro lynched.

Scenario 3:

Boro attempts to kill Kath but his kill ability only works on Wolves. The next day he says the Wolf is Mith or no one. Mith lynched. The requirements of his role satisfied (he now knows there are no Wolves remaining), he can stop killing and the game can end with a village victory.

Scenario 4:

The Living see our "88" hint and lynch Boro. We laugh.