6 Degrees of Separation

[Lindolirian]

Hint: akhtene wouldn't know because she doesn't have the book.

unless by some odd chance she does know and in that case, she'd better go ahead and post! smilies/biggrin.gif

[Beren87]

Aha!

Enerdhil-Idril-Tuor-Lorgan

[Lindolirian]

That's it!

[Beren87]

Mim-Treebeard

[Pallando B.C]

Mîm ->Húrin ->Elwë ->Galadriel ->Gandalf ->Treebeard

I don't think Galadriel met Treebeard or if Húrin met Galadriel, but if either one of those metting occured, you can deduct the chain for me.

[Beren87]

Wow, that was EXACTLY the way I did it. Your turn! (and I don't think they met either)

[Pallando B.C]

Oromë ->Beorn

As short as possible.

[Beren87]

Oromë-Melkor-Smaug-Bilbo-Beorn

[Pallando B.C]

Close, but no cigar.

You have four degrees of Seperation, it is possible to get three.

[Beren87]

Oromë-Mawë-Gandalf-Beorn

[Pallando B.C]

Did Manwë meet Gandalf? Lórien or Nienna would have been more plausable, but i'll still give it to you, since you were on the right track.

[Beren87]

Well, Gandalf was a Maia of Manwë and Varda, though also Nienna’s greatest pupil. SO Manwë works.

Elros->Orodreth

[ January 13, 2003: Message edited by: Beren87 ]

[the real findorfin]

Elros - Elrond - Galadriel - Orodreth

[Beren87]

Was a bit easy eh? smilies/tongue.gif

Your turn.

[the real findorfin]

Ar-Zimraphel - Elmo

(this is probably pretty easy as well)

[Pallando B.C]

Did you mean Ulmo. Only because I've never read about an Elmo.

If you did...

Ar-Zimraphel ->Ar- Pharazôn -> Sauron ->Melkor ->Ulmo


Note: I haven't read Akallabêth for a long time and I'm not sure if Míriel met Sauron. If so.

Ar-Zimraphel ->Sauron ->Melkor ->Ulmo

[ January 13, 2003: Message edited by: Pallando B.C ]

[the real findorfin]

Nope I didnt, but a good connection. Elmo is Elwe and Olwe's younger brother (according to UT) and it seems to be held as fact though i am not sure about that. My previous question still stands.

[Pallando B.C]

I didn't think so:

In that case:

Ar- Zimraphel ->Sauron ->Melkor ->Beren ->Elwë ->Elmo

[the real findorfin]

Great, mine went like thus:

Ar-Zimraphel - Elendil - Elrond - Celeborn - Elmo

or was it

Ar-Zimraphel - Elendil - Gil-Galad - Fingon - Celeborn - Elmo

but perhaps that one doesn't work. The first one definately does because I am assuming Celeborn did know his grandfather.

Your turn!

[Pallando B.C]

Cool.

Elwë ->Lobelia Sackville-Baggins

Quite easy.

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Elwë -> Galadriel -> Frodo -> Lobelia

[Pallando B.C]

Quite Easy, Eh, Bruce. Your Turn!

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Here you go then:
Adrahil -> Frerin
http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/devil/firedevil.gif

[Beren87]

Adrahil-Imrahil-Gandalf-Thorin II-Frerin

Adrahil was either the father or grandfather of Imrahil, either way they would have met.

And btw, WHERE on earth do you pull these characters. I didn't even know who Adrahil was!

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Heh!
Very nice Beren - your turn.

Adrahil was also Denethor's father-in-law, so the connection could have been made that way.

[Beren87]

Maeglin-Gollum

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Maeglin -> Tuor or Idril -> Eärendil -> Elrond -> Aragorn, Bilbo, Frodo, Sam, Gandalf, etc -> Gollum

[Beren87]

Ah, not the path I took, but an easier one. I always do it more difficultly in my head.

Your turn Bruce!

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Zamîn -> Estelmo

[Pallando B.C]

Zamîn ->Erendis ->Elendil ->Isildur ->Etselmo

That is a complete (but educated) guess concerning Erendis and Elendil!

[Lindolirian]

Zamin-> Aldarion-> Gil Galad-> Isildur-> Estelmo

[Bruce MacCulloch]

That is a complete (but educated) guess ... It is a correct one, as well! Your turn, Pallando.

[Pallando B.C]

Ragnir ->Tar Calion

[Russandol]

Ragnir -> Hurin -> Morgoth -> Sauron -> Tar Calion

[Pallando B.C]

Correct Russandol.

[Russandol]

Narvi - Mim

[Lindolirian]

Narvi-> Celebrimbor-> Orodreth-> Turin-> Mim

[Russandol]

Good job Lindolirian.

[Lindolirian]

Wormtongue-> Oromë

[Beren87]

Wormtongue-Gandalf-Aule-Orome

We have to stop using Gandalf, he knows too many people.

[Lindolirian]

That's why I didn't use him in my connection. Try again, but without him.

[Pallando B.C]

Wormtounge ->Frodo ->Elrond ->Eärendil ->Oromë

[elven maiden Earwen]

wormtounge->legolas->elrond->earendil->orome

[Lindolirian]

The hardest step is from Wormtongue to _________. Most people don't know that he met this person.

[elven maiden Earwen]

wormtounge->nazgul->sauron->Morgoth->Orome

correct me if im wrong but i have read somewhere that wormtounge encountered the nazgul smilies/confused.gif

[Lindolirian]

Right-o Earwen!

[elven maiden Earwen]

legolas->Melian

[Voronwe]

Legolas->Galadriel->Melian

[ February 02, 2003: Message edited by: Voronwe ]

[elven maiden Earwen]

it works but not the one im looking for

[Manardariel]

Legolas-Aragorn-Arwen-Luthien-Melian

My first try on this thread! To long?

[elven maiden Earwen]

Manardariel got it correct way to go! smilies/biggrin.gif smilies/biggrin.gif smilies/biggrin.gif smilies/biggrin.gif

[Beren87]

Erm...Arwen never met Luthein that I know of.

[elven maiden Earwen]

but she was related

[Pallando B.C]

...to trace from a name to a name they must have interacted, most likely interacted, or be related to each other.

Also...

....a link can me made between names if the two characters are immediately related to each other (child, parent, spouse).

::: Quotes from topic starter Joy - (or Barrow-Wight)

They have to be an immediate relation, not a great, great, great Grandmother, as in this example.

[ February 02, 2003: Message edited by: Pallando B.C ]

[elven maiden Earwen]

oopps sorry when i read the rules i missed that part.Any ways Manardariel you goecause i cant think of anything and you did get the answer i was looking for.

sorry~Earwen~ smilies/smile.gif

[Beren87]

No, Voronwe got it right. Hers was the first correct one. What you were looking for wasn't correct, so it didn't work.

[ February 04, 2003: Message edited by: Beren87 ]

[Voronwe]

Right then, I will ask:

The Old Took -> Elmo

[the real findorfin]

Old Took - Gandalf - Celeborn - Elmo

Celeborn was Elmo's great-nephew or something similar.

[Voronwe]

It's also stated that Celeborn was Elmo's grandson. Apparently JRRT never really decided on Celeborn's ancestry. Whatever his parentage, we can probably assume that Celeborn and Elmo met in Doriath anyway.

Ask away.

[the real findorfin]

Here's a nice one...

Ecthelion II >>> Ecthelion (of the Fountain)

Try it in 4!

[ February 04, 2003: Message edited by: the real findorfin ]

[Lindolirian]

Ecthelion II-> Aragorn-> Elrond-> Tuor-> Ecthelion of the Fountains

[the real findorfin]

Thats good, but try and get it in 4!

(Did Tuor even meet Elrond?)

[The Saucepan Man]

Ecthelion II -> Aragorn -> Legolas -> Ecthelion of the Fountains

Of course, Legoals has to play a dual role (Legolas of the Fellowship and Legolas of Gondolin). Is that allowed ...?

[the real findorfin]

Nice but no! smilies/smile.gif

[Lindolirian]

Oh, I thought you meant in four separations, not four people.

Ecthelion II-> Saruman-> Turgon-> Ecthelion of the Fountains.

And according to the rules, Elrond to Tuor would work since Tuor is Elrond's grandfather.

[the real findorfin]

maybe...if you can tell me how Saruman and Turgon are connected? I didn't know they were.

[Lindolirian]

Curunir was a Maia of Aulë in Valinor, and Turgon, being of the Noldor who were friendly with Aulë and his people, I figured they might have met, cause it was quite a LONG time that was spent in Valinor, and with Curunir being such a cool guy, he must have gotten to know such another cool guy... smilies/biggrin.gif

[the real findorfin]

If you can't think of a better one then OK, but there is one much more plausible way, which involves definate meetings. Anyone???

[Pallando B.C]

I think we should just let Lindolirian have this one.

[the real findorfin]

OMG, no one could get it, wow!!

The answer was...

Ecthelion II > Aragorn II > Glorfindel > Ecthelion of the Fountain.

Go on Lindoliran

[Lindolirian]

Uinéniel -> Gloin

[Pallando B.C]

Uinéniel ->Elendil ->Elrond ->Gloin

[ February 13, 2003: Message edited by: Pallando B.C ]

[Lindolirian]

I don't think she knew Elendil or was closely related. Try someone a bit closer to her.

[Pallando B.C]

Zamîn ->Erendis ->Elendil ->Isildur ->Etselmo

This is an answer I gave to Bruce MacCulloch regarding another question.

Notice the link : Erendis ->Elendil

This connection was correct according to Bruce. Also regarding the name Uinéniel:


A title, meaning 'Daughter of Uinen' given by Aldarion to Erendis, in the days when he was seeking her hand in marriage.

What do you think? Was Bruce MacCulloch wrong?

[ February 13, 2003: Message edited by: Pallando B.C ]

[Bruce MacCulloch]

What do you think? Was Bruce MacCulloch wrong? Yes.
I seem to have developed a nasty habit of looking at one post and mistaking it for another. If you look at the post immediately preceding the one in which I confirmed your answer, you will see the hitherto unacknowledged correct answer.

[Pallando B.C]

Ohhh ok. So I wasn't right on that one before. That's fine and no harm done.

[Lindolirian]

You were getting pretty close, Pallando. Have at it again!

[Pallando B.C]

Usually I wouldn't want to go, since I didn't get the answer, but this thread is probably the best on the Quiz Room and it needs to be continued.

Gamil Zirak -> Belladonna Took

In one seperation, you need to think a differently.

[Lindolirian]

In one separation? You mean only one person in between? Wow. Lemme think...

Are you sure this can be done in only one separation? Or am I not understanding you correctly?

[Pallando B.C]

No, I think you mis-understand me. It wasn't really explained well so I'm sorry.

Here is what I mean:

Gamil Zirak -> ? -> ? -> *** -> ? -> Belladonna Took.

*** = This is the example I was talking of. This seperation is where you have to think outside the box and come up with a different kind of answer.

It is impossible to get this question with only one seperation.

Sorry for the confusion.

[the real findorfin]

Gamil Zirak - Thingol - Galadriel - Glorfindel - Bilbo Baggins - Belladona Took

Gamil Zirak made many treasures for the store houses of Thingol.

I am assuming Glorfindel met Galadriel sometime in there long history (either in Aman, or after his re-encarnation.)

If not then I can slip in Turgon in between and do it in 7.

[Pallando B.C]

If no-one minds I would prefer this answer to include the instructions I put forth.

The answer also involves no assumtions.

[Lindolirian]

Gamil Zirak-> Thingol-> Melian-> Olorin-> Belladonna Took

[Pallando B.C]

That's It, but..... try and get it through something that is inanimate.

[Lindolirian]

Gamil Zirak-> Angrist*-> Morgoth-> Manwë-> Olorin-> Belladonna Took.

* the knife that his apprentice made that cut the Silmaril from the Iron Crown.

Now we could take out Manwë because both Olorin and Morgoth are Ainu, and put in Telchar between Gamil and Angrist, but I think you get the gist o' things.

[Pallando B.C]

I'll take that. It could have also been:

Gamil Zirak ->Telchar ->Narsil ->Bilbo ->Belladonna Took.

[Lindolirian]

Oh thats right! Telchar did make Narsil. Lemme see, I think Aragorn said that at the gates of Meduseld. Ok then...

Bombur-> Mahtan

[Pallando B.C]

Bombur ->Olorin -> Aulë -> Mahtan

We don't like Gandalf links though do we. So....

Bombur ->Gloin -> Frodo ->Galadriel -> ** Mahtan

** Not sure of their meeting. Only clue is that their both Noldor. If they didn't meet, put Fëanor in their for me!

[Lindolirian]

That last one was correct with Fëanor in it. Go ahead!

[Pallando B.C]

Lothíriel -> Lúthien

Try NOT to use Galadriel.

[Lindolirian]

Lothiriel-> Eomer-> Saruman-> Mandos-> Luthien

[Pallando B.C]

Great Work!

[Lindolirian]

Erellont-> Gamling

[Pallando B.C]

Erellont ->Eärendil ->Círdan ->Galadriel ->Aragorn ->Gamling

[Lindolirian]

Elrond would have been quicker, but yes, your's works as well.

[Pallando B.C]

Labadal ->Aerandir

[Lindolirian]

Labadal-> Turin-> Gelmir and/or Arminas-> Cirdan-> Earendil-> Aerandir

[Pallando B.C]

Yes, but you could cut one from there by using a connection with realtives.

[Lindolirian]

Right
Labadal-> Túrin-> Tuor-> Earendil-> Aerandir

[Pallando B.C]

Exactly what I had.

[Lindolirian]

Vàna-> Elfstan Fairbairn

[Pallando B.C]

Without a Gandalf link I presume.

Vána ->Eärendil ->Elrond ->Samwise ->Elfstan Fairbairn

[Lindolirian]

Did Eärendil meet Vàna?
Remember, in your own words:
The answer also involves no assumtions.

[Pallando B.C]

I am basing that on when Eärendil was before the Valar pleading for the pardon of the Noldor.

[Lindolirian]

Ok then, I'll let ya have it.

[Pallando B.C]

I've always considered that a legit answer.

Telchar ->Nob

Must pass through a minimum of two inanimate objects.

[the real findorfin]

Telchar - Angrist - Morgoth - Sauron - Narsil - Aragorn - Nob

Thats seven, and all that i can do, unless Anduril and Narsil can be counted as two different objects.

Telchar - Narsil - Elrond - Anduril - Aragorn - Nob

But that seems wrong somehow

[Pallando B.C]

No, sorry there is a way you can do this without counting Narsil and Andúril as two seperate objects.

Both objects don't have to hade by Telchar.

[ March 03, 2003: Message edited by: Pallando B.C ]

[the real findorfin]

Telchar - Narsil - Aragorn - Palantir - Pippin - Nob

YESSS! That works!

[Pallando B.C]

Well Done

[the real findorfin]

Beren >> Curudan

in six, using three inanimate objects
or
in five, using two inanimate objects

Not as hard as the previous but its not too bad.

[Pallando B.C]

Can I have some information on Curudan please.

[the real findorfin]

Sorry, of course.

Curudan is the brother of Nerdanel.

[Pallando B.C]

Thanks. With that info, this may be the answer!

Beren ->Huan ->Celegorm ->Curudan

[Annunfuiniel]

Or could it be:

Beren > Angrist > Silmaril > Fëanor > Curudan?
Don't know any better...

[the real findorfin]

Sorry for the delay.

Annunfuiniel has it, well done! I thought that was difficult, oh well.

Your turn!

[Annunfuiniel]

Thanks! It was challenging! smilies/smile.gif
Ok, Saruman >> Éowyn, in six using one inanimate object.

[Pallando B.C]

Saruman ->Treebeard ->Merry ->Pippin ->Palantrí ->Aragorn ->Éowyn

[Annunfuiniel]

Sorry, no, though it does work. Oh, and you got the item right! smilies/smile.gif

[Narya]

Maybe it´s this one:

Saruman -> Gandalf -> Pippin -> Palantir ->Denethor -> Faramir -> Eowyn

or anything else with Palantir->Denethor->Faramir

[Annunfuiniel]

Good job, Narya! You got them all (+one more) although the exact line I was thinking of goes: Saruman > Palantír > Pippin > Denethor > Faramir > Éowyn
Please proceed! smilies/smile.gif

[Narya]

Thanks and sorry for the delay...

Tuor-->Thingol
in six degrees

[ March 20, 2003: Message edited by: Narya ]

[the real findorfin]

Tuor > Turin > Thingol

but in six, Tuor > Turgon > Aredhel > Maeglin > Eol > Thingol >

[Annunfuiniel]

Tuor > Idril > Turgon > Fingolfin > Finwë > Elwë(aka Thingol)?

[Narya]

That´s not what I thought of...
most of the persons are related through their families in my solution...
and there are allways direkt relationships, such as brother/sister father (mother) / son (daughter) and so on...

So keep on guessing...

[Pallando B.C]

Sometimes there are many alternatives, so you may have to give it to them sometimes. Also, don't tell them how many seperations you want. The point of the game is to get the answer in the least seperations possible.

Tuor ->Eärendil ->Elrond ->Bilbo ->Frodo ->Galadriel ->Thingol

[Narya]

Okay, Pallando.
In this case it´s very easy to find an answer with only three degrees and there are many other possibilities...
but I thought of something with six degrees
and your answer is very close to my one

I thought of Tuor->Earendil->Elrond->Celebrian->Galadriel->Thingol

I wanted to have an answer with someone Elrond was connected with after the First Age and then a connection from that person to Galadriel, who is connected with Thingol.
I know it is confusing, sorry...

[Pallando B.C]

No need to apologise Narya! Is it my go?

[Narya]

Yep, yours was the 'best' one!

[Pallando B.C]

Great!

Galathil ->Tar Minyatur

[elven maiden Earwen]

Galathil->Celeborn->Elrond ->Tar Minyatur

[Pallando B.C]

Yes, a go to you!

[elven maiden Earwen]

Mithrellas->Aragorn

[Pallando B.C]

Mithrellas ->Imrazôr ->Princes of Dol Amroth ->Aragorn

[elven maiden Earwen]

correct good job

[Pallando B.C]

Arwen ->Huan

[elven maiden Earwen]

arwen-galadriel-melian-luthien-huan

[Pallando B.C]

Yes, but try and go through someone higher than a Maia.

[elven maiden Earwen]

arwen-galadriel-thingol-luthien-huan

[Pallando B.C]

Yes, but try and go through higher than a Maia.

Try to use Capitals aswell please.

[ March 23, 2003: Message edited by: Pallando B.C ]

[elven maiden Earwen]

Arwen-Galadriel-Orome-Huan

[Pallando B.C]

Did Galadriel meet Oromë? Let's have no assumtions thanks!

[elven maiden Earwen]

Arwen-Galadriel-Eärwen-Olwe-Manwe-Orome-Huan
--------------------

[Pallando B.C]

I'll take your answer.

Mine was: Arwen ->Eärendil ->Mandos ->Lúthien ->Huan

[elven maiden Earwen]

thank you

Eärwen->Mormegil

[Pallando B.C]

Eärwen ->Olwë ->Elwë ->Mormegil

[elven maiden Earwen]

correct

[Pallando B.C]

Great!

Námo ->Théodwyn

[Joy]

This one is interesting! smilies/smile.gif smilies/biggrin.gif

Since Men (humans) do pass to the Halls of Mandos for a short time before passing beyond the Circles of the World, I would say that Theodwyn met Námo!

Unless you want to use - Námo -> Manwë -> Olorin (Gandalf) -> Theoden -> Theodwyn

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

One could link Namo and Olorin through Irmo, also smilies/wink.gif

[Pallando B.C]

Joy is correct.

[Joy]

Thank you much smilies/biggrin.gif

Nerdanel -> Narvi

[Pallando B.C]

Nerdanel ->Fëanor ->Celebrimbor ->Narvi

[Joy]

Correct!

[Pallando B.C]

Forweg ->Eärendil

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Forweg -> Turin -> Tuor -> Earendil

provided cousins is a close enough relation to link...

Sophia

[Pallando B.C]

Correct

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Salmar-> Maeglin

[elven maiden Earwen]

Salmar-Ulmo-Tuor-Meaglin

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

yes

[elven maiden Earwen]

Dis->Aragorn

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Dis-> Thorin-> Gloin-> Gimli-> Aragorn

[elven maiden Earwen]

yup over to you Thunder mistress

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Dudo Baggins-> Bregalad

[alaklondewen]

Dudo => Frodo => Pippin (or Merry) => Bregalad

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Correct

[alaklondewen]

Thank you.

Melian => Diamond Took

[Lindolirian]

Melian-> Galadriel-> Pippin-> Diamond Took

[alaklondewen]

Exactly! The floor is yours. smilies/smile.gif

[Lindolirian]

Nellas-> Ecthelion of the Fountain

[Pallando B.C]

Ah, good you're back Lindolirian!

Nellas ->Túrin ->Tuor ->Ecthelion of the Fountain

[The Saucepan Man]

Is it:

Nellas-> Turin-> Hurin-> Turgon-> Ecthelion of the Fountain

Or is that too many?

Edit: Ah yes, clearly it is. smilies/rolleyes.gif

[ April 23, 2003: Message edited by: The Saucepan Man ]

[Lindolirian]

Ah yes, clearly it is.
Er, no it's not. Thats only five people and that's correct. smilies/wink.gif

[ April 23, 2003: Message edited by: Lindolirian ]

[The Saucepan Man]

But didn't Pallando B.C get it in four? Or is the progression from Turin to Tuor not valid?

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

The progression from Turin to Tuor should be valid, I used it earlier... (Forweg-> Turin-> Tuor-> Earendil)

[Lindolirian]

Ah yes, I had forgotten that they crossed paths briefly. And besides, they're cousins. I think I'm gonna take a short break to regruop and study a bit. I feel like I'm doing terrible after my absence during Lent.

[The Saucepan Man]

Hey, Lindolirian, your "doing terrible" is the norm for some of us. smilies/wink.gif smilies/smile.gif

I take it that it's Pallando B.C's turn ...

[ April 25, 2003: Message edited by: The Saucepan Man ]

[Pallando B.C]

I just used Tour and Túrin because of the relatives rule.

Bungo Baggins ->Elwing

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Bungo-> Bilbo-> Elrond-> Elwing?

[The Saucepan Man]

Bungo Baggins-> Bilbo Baggins -> Elrond-> Elwing

Edit: Curses! Beaten to the prize again. I should have known when I saw that Sophia was in the forum.
smilies/wink.gif

[ April 27, 2003: Message edited by: The Saucepan Man ]

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Why thank you Saucepan Man, I'm flattered. smilies/wink.gif

[Pallando B.C]

Correct!

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Lets go Eonwe -> Uldor

Sophia

[Lindolirian]

An extremely easy one would be Eonwë-> Maedhros-> Uldor

[ April 29, 2003: Message edited by: Lindolirian ]

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Ouch... I didn't think of that possibility at all... smilies/smile.gif but it works. Your go Lindilorian.

[Lindolirian]

I'm curious Sophia, what was your solution?
Ornendil-> Marwhini

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

I was thinking Eonwe-> Feanor-> Maglor-> Uldor... but I knew there were a number of possibilities.

I can't get your question though... I can link to gr... I can link Ornendil-> Castamir-> Calimehtar and Calimehtar -> Marwhini... but I think that's a different Calimehtar isn't it??

[ April 29, 2003: Message edited by: Sophia the Thunder Mistress ]

[Lindolirian]

Holy cow.. I totally missed that there were two. Go ahead and take it. That was what I was thinking, only minus the Calimehtar that I didn't think of.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

lol... happens to the best of us... (at least it must, cause it happens to you and Beren smilies/wink.gif)

Lets go Irilde-> Gil-Galad smilies/tongue.gif

Oh, and I love your avatar Pallando!

Sophia

[Lindolirian]

Irilde-> Earendil-> Elrond-> Gil-Galad

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

smilies/smile.gif Can't get anything past you...

[Lindolirian]

Forweg-> Fundin

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Forweg-> Turin-> Tuor-> Elrond-> Balin-> Fundin

Is that too many steps?

[Lindolirian]

Nope, five steps; six people, just below the max. Good job!

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Thanks, that was a nasssty poser. smilies/wink.gif

Ar-Pharazon -> Mahtan

[The Saucepan Man]

Are we allowed to use Sauron and Morgoth?

If so:

Ar-Pharazon -> Sauron -> Morgoth -> Feanor -> Mahtan

I am assuming that Morgoth and Feanor were acquanited after Morgoth (Melkor) had been pardoned by Manwe. That is the impression that I have. But, if not:

Ar-Pharazon -> Sauron -> Morgoth -> Finwe -> Feanor -> Mahtan

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Either of those are quite acceptable, I think...

(My solution was Ar-Pharazon-> Sauron-> Celebrimbor-> Curufin-> Nerdanel-> Mahtan, so I suppose Sauron & Morgoth are legitimate smilies/wink.gif)

Sophia

[The Saucepan Man]

OK, here's another:

Eowyn -> Ecthelion I

Not using Gandalf.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Eowyn->Aragorn->Saruman->Beren->Egalmoth->EcthelionI

[The Saucepan Man]

Was there ever any interaction between Aragorn and Saruman in LotR? I am not sure that Aragorn spoke when he accompanied Gandalf and Theoden to parley with Saruman at Orthanc.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

My books are packed away as I'm moving out of the dorms tomorrow, but if it doesn't work the way I have it, you can always replace Aragorn with Grima and it all works... Eowyn->Grima->Saruman->Beren->Egalmoth->Ecthelion I

Sophia

[The Saucepan Man]

That's the one I had in mind, Sophia. smilies/smile.gif

Good luck with the move!

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Silmarien-> Gil-Galad

[The Saucepan Man]

Silmarien-> Tar-Meneldur-> Tar-Aldarion-> Gil-Galad

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Splendid

[The Saucepan Man]

Thank you, Sophia.

Tar-Aldarion -> Fengel

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

I'll take a go at it...

Aldarion-> Gil-Galad-> Elrond-> Saruman-> Thengel-> Fengel...???

I don't really know if there was interaction between Saruman and Thengel, but I would think there was, since it was during Thengel's reign that Saruman pronounced himself Lord of Isengard and Theoden refers to Saruman's friendship with Rohan in LotR.

Sophia smilies/biggrin.gif (who is glad to be back)

[The Saucepan Man]

Welcome back, Sophia. smilies/smile.gif

Hmm, you may be right about the connection between Saruman and Thengel, but there is a much less speculative connection ...

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Alright then, I have to take it in an extra step though (I think that's allowable? Six steps, seven people??).

Aldarion-> Gil-Galad-> Elrond-> Merry-> Theoden-> Fengel

Sophia

[The Saucepan Man]

Theoden never knew his grandfather. smilies/evil.gif

You had it almost right before - just replace Saruman with someone else ...

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Drat you Saucepansss smilies/wink.gif why must it be so blasted complicated! smilies/smile.gif you mean Grandfather -> Grandson isn't close enough to be covered by the relatives clause? *sighs* alright then.

Aldarion-> Gil-Galad-> Elrond-> Gandalf-> Fengel
?

[The Saucepan Man]

When tracing from one name to another there must have been interaction or implied interaction in the novels between the two charcters. Also, a link can me made between names if the two characters are immediately related to each other (child, parent, spouse).

smilies/biggrin.gif smilies/evil.gif

Try not to use Gandalf, Saruman,or Sauron if it can be helped. These people have a link to just about everybody.

Oops! smilies/eek.gif I used Sauron before. But none of these three are in this one. smilies/biggrin.gif smilies/biggrin.gif smilies/evil.gif

[The Saucepan Man]

Aldarion -> Gil-Galad -> Elrond -> ? -> Thengel -> Fengel

Who is the missing link?

[Eruanna]

Is the missing link Aragorn? He knew Elrond of course, but he had served Thengel in Rohan before he came to Gondor (as Thorongil)

[The Saucepan Man]

Indeed he did, Eruanna. Aragorn is the missing link (Homus Dunedainus smilies/biggrin.gif ), so you are correct. Well done. smilies/smile.gif

[Eruanna]

This one is probably too easy...

Narvi to Bungo Baggins, in 6 or less steps.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Narvi-> Celebrimbor-> Curufin-> Maglor-> Elrond-> Bilbo-> Bungo.

There are seven people, but only six steps there.

Sophia

[Eruanna]

Can you substitute Curufin and Maglor with one person? (Trying to get my own back for Odd item out, here smilies/evil.gif )

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Narvi->Celebrimbor->Galadriel? (some of the stories say she dwelt for a time in Eregion)-> Elrond-> Bilbo-> Bungo.

[Eruanna]

That is almost the same as I was thinking. I had Narvi > Celebrimbor > Galadriel > Frodo > Bilbo > Bungo.
From UT, History of Galadriel and Celeborn: Galadriel and Celeborn had in their company a Noldorin craftsman named Celebrimbor.

Your go.
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[ May 25, 2003: Message edited by: Eruanna ]

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Alright, next one is:

Elrohir -> Brand NOT using any of Thorin's company, including Bilbo or Gandalf.

Sophia

[Eruanna]

I think this works:

Brand > Bain > Bard the Bowman > Thranduil > Legolas > Elrond > Elrohir

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Exactly how I had it, although you can go straight from Legolas to Elrohir, as they were both members of the Grey Company... smilies/biggrin.gif Your go!

[Eruanna]

I'd forgotten the Grey Company connection!

Here's another: Galathil to Ghân-buri-Ghân. smilies/smile.gif

[Lindolirian]

Galathil-> Celeborn-> Merry-> Eomer*-> Ghân-buri-Ghân
*Just in case... smilies/wink.gif

[Eruanna]

Terrific smilies/smile.gif

[Lindolirian]

Balan-> Lothíriel

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Balan (Beor)-> Finrod-> Galadriel-> Eomer-> Lothiriel

[Lindolirian]

Aye, that be it! Proceed!

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Faelivrin-> Ivorwen

[Eruanna]

I think this works:

Faelivrin > Orodreth > Galadriel > Aragorn > Gilraen > Ivorwen.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

It works nicely, Eruanna. smilies/biggrin.gif

Sophia

[Eruanna]

How about Elemmakil to Denethor, Steward of Gondor?

[Lyra Greenleaf]

Elemmakil- Earendil- Aragorn- Boromir- Denethor, Steward of Gondor.

Is that too vague?

[Eruanna]

As I understand it, there has to have been direct interaction between the people named....I don't think Aragorn actually met Earendil. smilies/smile.gif

[Lyra Greenleaf]

That's what I meant by vague. It was my first go on this game!

Elemmakil-Earendil-Elrond-Aragorn (as Thorongil)-Denethor

[Eruanna]

That will do nicely. smilies/smile.gif

[Lyra Greenleaf]

Ciryon- Paladin Took

[Lindolirian]

Ciryon-> Isildur-> Elrond-> Peregrin-> Paladin

[Lyra Greenleaf]

Yep, that'll do nicely. Your go!

[Lindolirian]

Finglas-> Guilin

[Eruanna]

Does this work?

Finglas > Merry or Pippin > Galadriel > Melian > Turin > Gwindor > Guilin.

Six steps seven people (sort of) smilies/smile.gif

[Lindolirian]

Too many people, and I don't know if Merry or Pippin ever met Finglas.

[Manardariel]

Finglas > Treebeard > Gandalf> Galadriel > Finduilas >Gwindor > Guilin

Does that work??

[ June 22, 2003: Message edited by: Manardariel ]

[Lindolirian]

Take out Gandalf, and substitute Finduilas and Gwindor for Finrod, and it's right. I'll give it to you anyway though. smilies/smile.gif

[Lord of Angmar]

How about Brandir-->Beorn?

[Lindolirian]

Hey Lord of Angmar! It's Manardiel's turn. You have to answer a question correctly before you can ask one. If you have any questions, just check the Quiz Room Rules. (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=5&t=000386) Have fun posting here!

[Manardariel]

I got it?! Wow!

And sorry it took me so long....

What about Ted Sandyman => Eowyn?

[elven maiden Earwen]

Ted Sandymen->Merry->Eowyn?

[Manardariel]

Weeell....I guess that works, but can someone maybe come up with people that all really talked to each other in the book??