6 Degrees of Separation

[Lindolirian]

Yeah, actually I had Bilbo because Holman was his gardener before his adventure. About my avatar... I got so used to the old one, and it is a tough change but too many people were mistaking me for a Matrix fan, or a super LotR-movie* fan, or a mix. The new one is tough getting used too though...:confused: :rolleyes:


*Yes, yes, the movies are great, but I prefer to thought of as a fan of the books as i was before I ever heard about the movies.

[NightKnight]

I see....

Barliman -> Manwë

No ainur or Glorfindel.

[Firefoot]

Barliman -> Frodo -> Elrond -> Eärendil -> Manwë?

[NightKnight]

Perfect. :)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Firefoot?

Teehee! You typed "bimp"! Bronevaya Maschina Piekhota.

I changed it!

[Firefoot]

D'oh!

Sancho Proudfoot --> Eärnur.

You can use one link that is not a person.

[Lindolirian]

Sancho-> Bilbo-> (Rivendell)-> Glorfindel-> Eärnur

[Firefoot]

That'll work.

[Lindolirian]

Uinéniel-> Gloin
This thread almost died *gasp* (amazing, I know) on this question once, but I think this group of quizzers will make easy work of it.
No Galadriel, Elrond, Celeborn, Thranduil, or Ainur...

[Fingolfin II]

Uinéniel -> Aldarion -> Cirdan -> Frodo -> Gloin?

[Lindolirian]

See, no problem at all... I wonder why it was so hard two years ago.:rolleyes:

Good work, Fingolfin!

[Fingolfin II]

Cheers Lindo.

Ok, hmm....

Arwen -> Aule

No Ainur or places- people only.

[Lindolirian]

Arwen-> Elrond-> Maglor-> Feanor-> (Mahtan)-> Aulë

[Fingolfin II]

Works for me.

[Lindolirian]

Gimli-> Angrim
No Elves or Ainur and more than one object.

[NightKnight]

This is one of my favorite threads to answer, yet I hate making questions for it. :p

Gimli -> Aragorn -> Ring of Barahir -> Barahir -> Gorlim -> Angrim

[Lindolirian]

This is one of my favorite threads to answer, yet I hate making questions for it. :p
I know what you mean. So is it unfortunate that you are correct?

[NightKnight]

I guess it is, but it also proves I rock. :D

FIngon -> Ugluk

[Lindolirian]

Ha! Everyone who plays this this game rocks...;)
Fingon-> Turgon-> Earendil-> Elrond-> Merry-> Ugluk

[nobody]

I'm back!
Morgoth -> Saelon

[Nanedhel]

Morgoth -> Sauron -> Herumor -> Saelon

[nobody]

Well, we don't know for sure if it was the same Herumor in the second age and in the new shadow, and also we don't know if Saelon ever actually met him.

[Nanedhel]

You have a good point, nobody. I will try a different route.


Morgoth -> Sauron -> Frodo -> Pippin -> Beregond -> Borlas -> Saelon

[nobody]

Well, you didn't really need Frodo- Sauron 'met' Pippin through the Palantir, whereas he didn't meet Frodo.So you could either have yours without Frodo or this one:
Morgoth ->Galadriel ->Pippin ->Bergil/Beregond ->Borlas->Saelon.
Your turn.

[Nanedhel]

The Witch King of Angmar -> The Lord of the Nazgul. And to make more it interesting, start at his defeat and go to his destruction.

(I know they are supposed to be the same individual, but I am taking a chance that that is not against the rules.)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Witch-King -> Glorfindel -> Merry -> Éowyn -> Lord of the Nazgûl

[Nanedhel]

Perfect, Nilpaurion Felagund. Actually, that is better than the route I had in mind.:p Your turn.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Hmmm . . .

Voronwë -> Boromir

No half-elfs. http://www.geocities.com/louis_martian/smilies/evil.gif

[Fingolfin II]

I'm assuming you mean Boromir of the Nine Walkers, so-

Voronwe -> Tuor -> Idril -> Galadriel -> Boromir?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Explain.

Idril was not born in Middle-earth.

Oh.

And yes, I meant "of the Nine Walkers". Sorry.

http://forum.barrowdowns.com/ubb/icons/icon14.gif Take it.

[Fingolfin II]

Cheers,

Alatáriel -> Uinéniel

Try it without linking any descendants of Finwe in between. No Cirdan either ;).

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Alatáriel -> Tinúviel -> Elwing -> Tar-Minyatur -> Tar-Amandil -> Írimon -> Uinéniel(?)

[Fingolfin II]

Nope :confused:. Sorry, too long and had descendants of Finwe between. This is a bit of a toughie I think :cool:.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Alatáriel -> Melian -> Thingol -> Olwë -> Any of those Elves who visited their wedding -> Uinéniel

Am I right? *fingers crossed*

[Fingolfin II]

You had a different and better way than me. Though I'm pretty sure Galadriel met Thingol and Olwe.

Anyway, I yield thee this here thread (I'll never make a herald :rolleyes: ). Take it, Nil!

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Oh, well. I still GOT IT!!! YEEEEE-HAW!

OK . . .

Ahem. *composes self* Let's do this again.

Voronwë -> Boromir of the Fellowship

No half-elfs, or Gondolindrim. http://www.geocities.com/louis_martian/smilies/evil.gif

[Lindolirian]

Voronwë-> Cirdan-> Erestor-> Boromir

[nobody]

Don't you mean Galdor, not Erestor?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

*shrugs* Oh, well. I'm in a good mood today. I'll accept that. :)

[Lindolirian]

Erm, well... Of course I meant Galdor! I was only testing you... :rolleyes: Ahem.
You are too kind.
Orophin-> Ossë
None of the Fellowship and no Galadriel, Celeborn, or Ainu (except Ossë of course)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

. . . but I hope this would help someone who has.

I think the only non-Ainur link to Ossë is Tuor. Other than that, I'm befuddled.

[Lindolirian]

Well, I posted this a few days ago and since then, I've had major leg surgery and been knocked by narcotics quite frequently. If that doesn't wreak havoc on your short term memory, nothing will ;). However, I have run it over in my mind and have come up with something that works, though it may not be my original solution. Once again, I'm not too sure of how fuzzy my logic may still be and if I find it to be wrong when I am of more sound mind, I'll come back and throw this thread in the air. But for right now, I'll tell you that Osse had more friends than Ainu and Tuor;).

[Lindolirian]

Riiight... So now that I'm mostly back to being human, I've gone over this and the best thing I've come up with is:
Orophin-> Arwen-> _____-> ______-> _______*-> Ossë
*This one's a mariner...

Hope this helps! :)

[Celebriel Esgaledhel]

hmmmm......

WOuld the blanks be Elrond, Earendil, and Tuor? (Arwen, daughter of Elrond, Son of Earendil, son of Tuor, who was given a message by Ulmo...... *shrug*)

[Lindolirian]

Well that would work, except for the Ulmo link which is void because of my "no Ainur" rule. Sorry...:rolleyes: This one may be too hard, so hints: The mariner never actually knew Ossë, but complained about being subject to his wrath.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Orophin -> Arwen -> Elrond -> Eärendil -> Voronwë -> Ossë

[Lindolirian]

He's the key; way to go Nil!

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Voronwë -> Boromir of the Fellowship

No half-elfs, Gondolindrim, or Sindar.

[Lindolirian]

Voronwë-> (Ossë)-> Ulmo-> Finrod Felagund-> Galadriel-> Boromir

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

The answer I had been hoping for was:

Voronwë -> Túrin -> Melian -> Galadriel -> Boromir

Oh, well. I'll have to think up something new.

Finally!

Oh, and the thread is yours, Lindo. :)

[Lindolirian]

Ah, I had forgotten about Voronwë and Turin crossing paths. Next up:
Muzgash-> Grimbeorn
No Fellowship.

[Lindolirian]

Hint: Objects are allowed...:)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Muzgash -> Mithril coat -> Thorin -> Beorn -> Grimbeorn

[Lindolirian]

Good work, Nil :)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Elendil -> Elenwë

[Lindolirian]

Elendil-> Gil-Galad-> Fingon-> Turgon-> Elenwë

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Your turn again! :)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Don't make me poke you again, Lindo. It will hurt.

Such empty threats. I'd fear a rubber band more than I'd fear you.

That's because I can't harm you without harming myself. Bloody awful schizophrenia . . .

[Lindolirian]

:eek: That did hurt! It's only been five days which is half the stale thread time. I'll take as long as I jolly well want! :p Just kidding, it's just that it's so tedious coming up with questions in this thread. Right...
Rhosgobel-> Brithombar

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Rhosgobel -> Radagast -> Beorn -> Bilbo -> Cirdan -> Brithombar?

[Lindolirian]

...cause you got it right!

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

'coz here comes the next puzzle.

Boromir of Ladros -> Boromir the Steward.

[Lindolirian]

Boromir of Ladros-> Bregor-> Barahir-> Ring of Barahir-> Elrond (or Aragorn)-> Isengard/Saruman-> Boromir the Steward
Six degrees, but I fancy there's a shorter way...maybe.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

http://www.geocities.com/louis_martian/smilies/evil.gif

Here's a hint, though: One of the contacts was "magical". ;)

EDIT: Here's another hint: Since Boromir of Ladros died of natural causes (well, I think), we could assume that he lived to see his grandsons.

Hope that helps!

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Boromir of Ladros-> Barahir-> Finrod Felagund (your noble forebear)-> Galadriel->Boromir, son of Denethor

[Lindolirian]

Ha! But Nil asked for Boromir the Steward, not of the jolly Fellowship!
Boromir of Ladros-> Barahir-> Finrod Felagund-> Galadriel (or anyone from Valinor in fact)-> Saruman-> Boromir the Steward

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

next time I must read the question more thoroughly! :rolleyes:

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

M-hm . . . Hmmm . . .

My resources are not complete. If you can prove Saruman and Boromir the Steward met, the thread is yours.

[Lindolirian]

Crud, I got him mixed up with Beren who gave Saruman the keys of Isengard. My bad...
Now that I've got it jolly well straight let's see about this:
Boromir of Ladros-> Barahir-> Felagund-> Galadriel-> Borondir*-> Cirion-> Boromir the Steward

*Borondir was the last rider of Gondor who made it to Eorl to ask for help. When he and the Eotheod passed by Lorien and Dol Guldur, Galadriel sent out a veiling mist to protect them. Borondir acknowledged her power as something good rather than ominous as the Eotheod thought it. So thats how they were connected. Aye yi yi, this was a good one...:)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

http://forum.barrowdowns.com/ubb/icons/icon14.gif

[Lindolirian]

:D
Isilmo-> Enerdhil
Yes, you may use Sauron...

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Isilmo -> Tar-Minastir -> Ciryatur -> Gil-galad (-> Fingon) -> Idril -> Enerdhil?

[Lindolirian]

Nice, but mine's shorter! :p

[Lindolirian]

You were close and it works best if you use Sauron. ;)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

(Sauron. :mad: )

Hintses?

[Lindolirian]

Tar-Minastir drove him out of Eriador, so I say it counts... continue from there. :)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

But Tar-Minastir didn't actually fight in the Eriador war. He sent Ciryatur.

[Lindolirian]

So he did. Blast... ok I'll accept your first answer since it's the same length as my amended one. Well, don't I jolly well feel silly.:rolleyes:
Take 'er away!

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

It happens to the best of us. And you happen to be one of them--best of us, that is.

Enedwaith, hier ist es:

Fëanor -> Túrin

No Elves, no Valar.

Have at it! :smokin:

[Lindolirian]

Feanor-> Silmaril-> Beren-> Baragund-> Morwen-> Turin

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

. . . and say "No items." :p

But I would give a hint: One of the links is tenuous: they just happened to be in the same city at the same time, and no proof is known that they actually met.

[Lindolirian]

Feanor-> Gothmog-> Tuor-> Turin

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

(In the mode of a local game-show host:)

Correct!

[Lindolirian]

Lothíriel -> Lúthien
No Galadriel or Celeborn

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Lothíriel -> Éomer -> Aragorn -> Ring of Barahir -> Felagund -> Beren -> Lúthien?

[Lindolirian]

I have a shorter way, assuming all Ainur know each other thanks to that big campfire sing-along way back when. ;)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Lothíriel -> Éomer -> Olórin -> Melian -> Lúthien

. . . all Ainur know each other thanks to that big campfire sing-along way back when. (Lindo)
Y'mean the one where they sang:

Let's gather 'round the campfire, and sing our campfire song.
Our A-I-N-U-L-I-N-D-A-L-E-uh song.
And if you don't think . . .

[Lindolirian]

That would be it! :)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Azaghal -> Aulë.

No Elves.

[Lindolirian]

Azaghal-> Glaurung-> Morgoth-> Aule

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

*shrug* Oh, well. I didn't.

Your turn again. :)

[Lindolirian]

I take it your's was without an Ainu? How'd it go?
Up Next: Arahael-> Chief of the Lossoth

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Tuor did reach Valinor, so he must have met Aulë.

Enedwaith,

Arahael -> Aranarth -> Arvedui -> Chief of the Lossoth?

[Lindolirian]

And this last one was too easy for you? :D

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

It's nearly time for class. And I have a presentation to make.

Amarië -> Amandil

[Fingolfin II]

Amarie -> Finrod -> (Galadriel) -> Gil-galad -> Elendil -> Amandil

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Yup.

[Fingolfin II]

Cheers,

Numendil -> Lenwe

[Lindolirian]

Numendil->(Amandil)-> Sauron-> Luthien-> Thingol-> Denethor-> Lenwë

[Fingolfin II]

There's another way, not involving Sauron ;).

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Numendil->Amandil->Elendil->Cirdan->Thingol->Denethor->Lenwe

I'm assuming Elendil and Cirdan met?

[Fingolfin II]

Even if they did meet, that's still seven people :p. Try again!

[Formendacil]

Númendil-> Elendil-> Gil-galad-> Círdan-> Olwë-> Lenwë

I'm making the guess that Númendil met his grandson. If this is contradicted in canon, I'm obviously wrong, but I would think it a logical assumption considering the relative lifespans of the Númenorians.

[Fingolfin II]

The connection I had in mind was also based on that assumption. An interesting question would be to assume Elendil and Numendil never met, I wonder if we could somehow link Orome and/or Galadriel in there....anyway, I'm rambling. You're up :).

[Formendacil]

Oh shoot...

I guessed it right. Now I have to think of something...

Fatty Lumpkin --> Chief Warg in The Hobbit, ANIMALS only.

[Lindolirian]

Fatty Lumpkin-> Merry's ponies-> Bill the pony-> Wargs of the Misty Mts-> Chief of the Wargs

[Formendacil]

Fatty Lumpkin-> Merry's ponies-> Bill the pony-> Wargs of the Misty Mts-> Chief of the Wargs

That's only five, and it's not what I had in mind....

I don't know, do assume that the Wargs knew the Chief Warg from the Hobbit? Eighty years have passed, and even if the Wargs have a human lifespan, that's a long time....

You got the first two steps in the middle right, though. At least as far as my system went.

I don't know, should I give it to you?

[Lindolirian]

That's only five, and it's not what I had in mind... Just for clarification, six degrees is only the maximum allowed in a puzzle, it can be less. But should you let me have that? No, I was chancing the Warg connection anyway. I have to leave here soon, so I can't come up with a reasonable a guess now, but if no one else does, I'll figure it out.

[Celebriel Esgaledhel]

Hey, formy, I've got relatives in Olds (actually, in Vergreville, but my aunt works in Olds in the cop station, I think)

[Lindolirian]

Fatty Lumpkin-> Merry's ponies-> Nazgul's horses-> Fell beasts-> Gwaihir (and other eagles)-> Chief of the Wargs

Of course I'm only assuming that the different steeds of the Ringwraiths were connected, maybe being trained at the same time and place or something of the sort.

[Formendacil]

Interesting hypothesis. Could work, although again it gets speculative... Not what I had in mind. But you did incorporate part of what I was thinking.

Want to try again?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Uh, a hint?

[Formendacil]

Uh, a hint?

Okay, I suggest taking both of Lindolirian's guesses, and meshing them together. That (with an addition), should produce the desired results.

*Think the Battle at the Black Gate*

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Fatty Lumpkin -> Merry's ponies -> Nazgûl's horses -> Shadowfax -> Fell beasts-> Eagles of the Misty Mountains -> Chief of the Wargs?

[Celebriel Esgaledhel]

They should accept that as an answer. In any case, a reply of any sort would seem in order.

[Formendacil]

Sorry its taken so long to reply. It's been a crazy weekend...

I may as well just give it to you, although that appears to be one too many links.

I was looking for:

Fatty Lumpkin-> Merry's Ponies->Shadowfax (met them in Bree on the way back)-> Fell Beasts (Battle of the Pelennor, Battle of the Black Gate)-> Gwaihir-> Chief Warg.

Thinking back, I suppose I could have skipped the Fell Beasts, seeing as Shadowfax was also present at the Black Gate.

Anyway, next please.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Celegorm -> Ceorl

[Lindolirian]

Celegorm-> Orome-> Felarof-> Ceorl

[Formendacil]

Celegorm-> Orome-> Felarof-> Ceorl

Can't work. Ceorl was the messanger in the LotR who meets Theoden's army coming out, and whose message directs them to Helm's Deep, and sends Gandalf off on his own mission. You seem to have him confused with Eorl the Young.

Here's my guess, if I'm allowed (thanks Lindolirian for the genesis of the idea):

Celegorm-> Orome-> Nahar*-> Felarof-> Herugrim (Theoden's blade, presumably inherited from Eorl)-> Ceorl (who would have seen/met it when he met Theoden).

*I am making the assumption that Orome never actually saw Felarof, and that Felarof was the direct offspring of Nahar, hence the association: Felarof "Met" Nahar in the act of his creation.

[Lindolirian]

Oh, that's embarassing. Cirion and Eorl when mixed, kinda sound like Ceorl in my head. :rolleyes: Good call Formendacil. However, in the even that yours doesn't work, I'll have another go.
Celegorm-> (Finrod)-> Galadriel-> Aragorn-> Ceorl

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Lindo, your first guess was simply atrocious. :p

Formendacil, I'm not usually allowing the use of items unless I specifically say so (Lindo should know this by now ;) ), so sorry.

Lindo (again), http://forum.barrowdowns.com/ubb/icons/icon14.gif. Your turn. :)

[Lindolirian]

Lindo, your first guess was simply atrocious. :p Yeah, I'm glad this a new page, now maybe it won't be seen by many people. :D
Rog-> Dudo Baggins

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Rog -> Tuor -> Eärendil -> Elrond -> Frodo (-> Drogo) -> Dudo Baggins

[Lindolirian]

I've got a quicker way! :D
Hint: Anyone who has been to Gondolin knows everyone from Gondolin because it's such an isolated place.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Rog -> Eärendil -> Elrond -> Frodo (-> Drogo) -> Dudo Baggins

:p

[Formendacil]

I've got a quicker way! :D
Hint: Anyone who has been to Gondolin knows everyone from Gondolin because it's such an isolated place.

Rog -> Eärendil -> Elrond -> Frodo (-> Drogo) -> Dudo Baggins

I rather suspect that Lindo was suggesting this:

Rog-> Glorfindel-> Frodo (->Drogo)-> Dudo Baggins

Not that it matters much, anyway...

[Lindolirian]

Because you got it right, Formendacil!

[Formendacil]

Oh dear...

Surely this doesn't mean I don't have to come up with another! ;)

[Lindolirian]

Surely it does! It's by far the toughest part of the game too. :p

[Formendacil]

Thuringwethil -> Hob Hayward

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Thuringwethil -> Lúthien (-> Thingol) -> Galadriel -> Sam -> Hob Hayward

[Formendacil]

Not what I was looking for, but it appears to be all in order. Guess you're next.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Bombadil -> Borin

[Formendacil]

Bombadil-> Frodo-> Bilbo-> Thorin-> Thror-> Borin

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Looks like you'll have to do that thing you dread. ;)

Your turn.

[Formendacil]

Gorbag-> Morgoth

[The Elf-warrior]

Gorbag ->A Nazgul ->Sauron- >Morgoth

[Formendacil]

Ouch...

I was afraid someone would guess that. I had a different idea in mind, and wondered if anyone would guess it, but I suppose that we have to say that it's correct. All the evidence would suggest that Gorbag, a captain at Minas Morgul, knew the Nazgul. Still, I have another way... Anyways, it would seem that you, Elf-warrior, have got it.

Still, out of curiosity, can anyone come up with another way?

[The Saucepan Man]

Strictly speaking you'd be within your rights not accpeting the answer, Formendacil - on the basis of the following note to the original game rules:

Extra Note: Try not to use Gandalf, Saurman,or Sauron if it can be helped. These people have a link to just about everybody.

[Lindolirian]

Gorbag-> (Ufthak)-> Shelob-> Ungoliant-> Morgoth
Is that the one you wanted?:)

[Formendacil]

That's a very impressive one, which I hadn't even considered. But as far as I know, Gorbag never met Ufthak (it's Shagrat who tells the story: "Don't you know anything? This fellow ain't dead). At least, I'm pretty sure that's the case.

Also, I don't think that Gorbag ever met Shelob. For one thing, the Morgul orks seem rather ignorant concerning her, and also he's still alive, right? :p

I've got a rather different train of thought, one which depended on Sauron (so I don't feel right disapproving the above post), but which doesn't assume that Gorbag and the Nazgul ever met (even though it may seem like a logical assumption).


*Thinks to self: SO should have made it Shagrat and not Gorbag.

[Lindolirian]

Gorbag-> Shagrat-> (Frodo's mithril coat)-> Mouth of Sauron-> Sauron-> Morgoth

[Formendacil]

I was going with just people...

And, to clarify in case anyone was confused, when I said that Shagrat would have been preferable to Gorbag, I was thinking of the starting point. Shagrat and Gorbag each had contact with the next link, but unlike Gorbag, Shagrat doesn't seem as likely to have made contact with a Nazgul (which was the monkey-wrench of the Gorbag scenario).

[arcticstorm]

Gorbag-Frodo-witch king-Sauron-Morgoth

[Formendacil]

Gorbag-Frodo-witch king-Sauron-Morgoth

Ahh!!!

I TOTALLY forgot that....

No matter where I go, I can't escape those Nazgul!

You're more on to what I was thinking (and a somewhat easier way than I was thinking), so I'll give it to you and get out of the limelight.

What I WAS thinking though was:

Gorbab-> Frodo-> Elrond-> (Celebrimbor->) Sauron-> Morgoth. As noted, it uses Sauron.

I SO can't believe I didn't think about the Nazgul here....

[arcticstorm]

Shelob -> Beorn
no hobbits, Sauron, Gandalf, or Saruman

[Fingolfin II]

Shelob -> Gollum -> Aragorn -> Gloin -> Beorn?

[arcticstorm]

sorry, I consider gollum a hobit
there is another way to go about this

[Formendacil]

Shelob-> Ungoliant-> Balrog-> Gimli-> Gloin-> Beorn

[arcticstorm]

That is not the way I had in mind, and I am not sure if all the balrogs were at the freeing of MElkor from Ungolient, I know that atleast some of them were, but I am not sure if the MOria Balrog was, if you have a source that can show me otherwise please do so.

[NightKnight]

Shelob -> Ufthak -> Shagrat -> Mouth of Sauron -> Gimli -> Gloin -> Beorn

[arcticstorm]

I do not know of a place where it says that Shagrat actually met the mouth of sauron, he could have brought the mail hirt and other items to Barad-dur and someone else could have delivered them to the mouth.

[Formendacil]

Shelob-> Ungoliant-> Morgoth-> Yavanna-> Radagast-> Beorn?

[arcticstorm]

you got it, your go Formendacil

[Formendacil]

Grishnahk-> Turin II (Steward of Gondor)

No Hobbits or Maiar allowed.

[The Elf-warrior]

Grishnahk -> Eomer -> Aragorn -> Ecthelion II -> Turin II

[Formendacil]

Grishnahk -> Eomer -> Aragorn -> Ecthelion II -> Turin II
Grishnakh and Eomer never met. Close though!

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Grishnakh -> Ugluk -> Eomer -> Aragorn -> Ecthelion II -> Turin II

[Formendacil]

Grishnakh -> Ugluk -> Eomer -> Aragorn -> Ecthelion II -> Turin II

Exactly right! Your turn, Nilpaurion.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Gildor -> Gwindor

[Lindolirian]

Gildor-> Frodo-> Galadriel-> (Melian)-> Beleg-> Gwindor

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Aunt Galadriel and Gildor met in the Grey Havens.

Other than that, it looks good. Your go. :)

[Lindolirian]

Frerin-> Adrahil

[Firefoot]

Frerin -> Thorin -> Bilbo -> Aragorn -> Imrahil -> Adrahil

[Lindolirian]

Right on!

[Firefoot]

Amandil -> Shadowfax.

[arcticstorm]

amandil- Elendil- GilGalad- Elrond- Gandalf- Shadowfax

[Firefoot]

You can do it in one shorter link. Also, Gandalf isn't supposed to be used... (that's a simple replacement, though.)

[arcticstorm]

Amandil->Elendil->Elrond->Pippin->Shadowfax

[Firefoot]

Perfecto!

(I actually had Isildur instead of Elendil, but it works the same.)

[arcticstorm]

Turgon-> Ufthak

[The Elf-warrior]

Turgon -> Ecthelion II -> Aragorn -> Frodo -> Shagrat -> Ufthak

[arcticstorm]

Sorry, I should have specified that I meant Turgon, king of Gondolin, instead of Turgon, ruling steward of Gondor

[Lindolirian]

Turgon-> Glorfindel-> Frodo/Sam-> Shagrat-> Ufthak

[arcticstorm]

good job that was one of two ways I had in mind, the other was Turgon-Earendil-Elrond-Frodo/Sam-Shelob/Shagrat-ufthak
Your turn Lindolirian

[Lindolirian]

Pimpernel Took-> Maglor

[The Elf-warrior]

Pimpernel Took -> (Pippin) -> Elrond -> Maglor

[Lindolirian]

You bet!

[The Elf-warrior]

Gróin -> Bodo Proudfoot

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Gróin Glóin -> Bilbo -> Odo -> Bodo Proudfoot

[The Elf-warrior]

Correct!

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

OK . . .

Frodo Gardner -> Amarië

[mormegil]

Frodo Gardner ->Samwise ->Galadriel ->Finrod ->Amarie

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Your turn, mormegil. :)

[mormegil]

Emeldir ->Manwe

No Elves!!

[Fingolfin II]

Emeldir -> Beren -> Melian -> (Lorien) -> Manwe?

[mormegil]

Yes but now I know I'm not as clever as I thought. I want Huan to be included but you bypassed that with Melian. Your turn.

[mormegil]

10 day rule

Mim to Durin

No other dwarves than Mim and Durin

[NightKnight]

Mîm -> Hurin -> Thorondor -> (Manwë ->) Aulë -> Durin

Assuming you mean Durin I.

[mormegil]

It's crazy how I sit here and think alternative paths and can't find any but there you did it.

I had Mim--Hurin--Thingol--Galadriel--Gil-galad--Durin

Yes I did mean Durin I and meant to specify but forgot.

[NightKnight]

I'm not sure if Gil-Galad met Durin. Any references to this?

Anyway, a new question, I guess.

Beleg -> Belen

[mormegil]

I've been unable to locate a Belen. are you sure that's the person?

[Alcarillo]

Belen is not mentioned in the indexes for The Silmarillion, The Lord of the Rings, or Unfinished Tales, so I think that Belen must be some sort of typo or something.

[NightKnight]

I believe he is in HoME. I've found references to him on two different places, so I'm pretty sure it's not a typo.

[Firefoot]

How about this:

Belen -> Bëor -> Finrod -> Thingol -> Beleg

Belen, apparently, was a son of Bëor.

[NightKnight]

Works fine. :) I think I had Orodreth -> Turin instead of Thingol, but yours is better. Carry on!

[Firefoot]

Cheers. :)

Hm... I really haven't played this for a while. Let's go with:

Lobelia Sackville-Baggins -> Erendis

You can't use Elrond.

[mormegil]

Lobelia Sackville-Baggins--Frodo--Cirdan--Gil-Galad--Aldarion--Erendis

[Firefoot]

That works. Your go, Morm.

[mormegil]

Labadal-->Thorin Oakenshield

[Firefoot]

Labadal -> Túrin -> Thingol -> Galadriel -> Elrond -> Thorin Oakenshield

[mormegil]

That will work...I always like to share the route I had too

Labadal-->Hurin-->Turgon-->Galadriel-->Bilbo-->Thorin

[Firefoot]

Wulf -> Wolf (Farmer Maggot's dog)

[Fordim Hedgethistle]

Wulf --> Frealaf --> Saruman --> Pippin/Merry --> Farmer Maggot --> Wolf

or are we not allowed to use the wizards?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Extra Note: Try not to use Gandalf, Saurman,or Sauron if it can be helped. These people have a link to just about everybody. (Joy)

Does your solution require Saruman, Firefoot?

[Firefoot]

Yes, the solution does need Saruman to keep it within any reasonable length.

So over to you, Fordim! And welcome to the QR. :cool:

[Fordim Hedgethistle]

Thank'ee for the welcome, Firefoot. And as it is now my "go":

Merry --> Malbeth the Seer

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Merry -> Glorfindel -> (Eärnur ->) Cirdan -> Aranarth -> Arvedui -> Malbeth the Seer

[Fordim Hedgethistle]

Herm...not an answer I had anticipated but it seems to work....

Actually, the solution I came up with has far fewer steps (only two people between Merry and Malbeth) so do we keep going or do I cede the floor?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

That depends on you, I guess.

[Fordim Hedgethistle]

All right, then I do not cede the floor yet! :p At least, not for a few more days just to see if there's anyone who can come up with a more direct route...

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Merry -> Cirdan -> Arvedui -> Malbeth the Seer?

[Fordim Hedgethistle]

I don't know...did Cirdan and Arvedui ever have any direct contact with one another? Cirdan sent a ship to get Arvedui but he himself did not go...so we could put the captain he sent between Cirdan and Arvedui, but that's still longer than my solution...

I am either really good at this game or just awful....

Here's a hint: think Barrow Downs :eek:

[Formendacil]

Merry- Witchking - Arvedui

???

[Fordim Hedgethistle]

Nope...because the Witch King of Angmar never confronted Arvedui directly (so far as I can tell). Angmar's army destroyed Arvedui's kingdom, but I don't think that counts......

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Did you use items?

[Fordim Hedgethistle]

Nope...

But seeing as I have held up this thread for long enough, and as I am increasingly convinced that I messed up the rules, and as Nilp's dogged persistance is impressive, I shall reveal my "solution"

Merry --> the fea of the slain warrior that 'possesed' him in the barrow --> Arvedui --> Malbeth the Seer

In the "Fog on the Barrow Downs" chapter, when Merry awakes from his possession he at first is confused as to his identity, crying out that he has been stabbed -- he is clearly reliving the final moments of the original denizen of the barrow. And as I find it hard to believe that a foot soldier would be given such an elaborate barrow, I figured that the unnamed warrior must have been a higher-up, and thus known to Arvedui....

So did I massively mess this up or what??

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

So did I massively mess this up or what?? (Fordim)
I think you didn't.

Although the link between that warrior and Arvedui is tenuous. No wonder I had a tough time. When you mentioned Barrow-downs, I thought you meant the sword.

The things you come up with . . .

I know. And the link between the sword and Arvedui is more tenuous than that between the warrior and Arvedui.

Oh, well . . .

Sir Fordim, you make a nasty poser. :)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Carcaroth -> Khamul

[Fordim Hedgethistle]

Carcaroth -> Khamul

Two solutions:

Carcaroth --> Morgoth --> Sauron --> Khamul (but this solution requires using relationships amonst maiar which, I believe, is frowned upon in this forum...)

or

Carcaroth --> Luthien --> Galadriel --> Sam --> Gaffer Gamgee --> Khamul

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Back to you. :cool:

[Fordim Hedgethistle]

An easy one:

Gothmog --> the Master of Lake Town

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Gothmog the winged one, or Gothmog the pink one? :cool:

Assuming the second . . .

Gothmog -> Witch-King -> Merry -> Bilbo -> Master of Lake Town?

[Fordim Hedgethistle]

Herm...should have been clearer...it's the winged Gothmog I'm thinking of (you know, lord of the Balrogs and all that)

But by the way, the Gothmog of LotR was a Nazgul! ;) :p :D

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I think he was a Man who rose through the ranks by being a suck-up to Sauron. Kinda like his Mouth. ;) :p :D

The Books thread is that way.

Yeah, I know, Adam.

Gothmog -> Fëanor -> Galadriel -> Bilbo

[Fordim Hedgethistle]

Gothmog -> Fëanor -> Galadriel -> Bilbo

Uhhhhh....you kinda missed the Master of Lake Town, but I think that's a gimme...

Like I said, an easy one (*Fordim puts on his thinking cap to come up with a real nasty poser for his next turn*) so it's over to you again, Nilp.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Right! I forgot the Master. :o

Thanks for overlooking that silly mistake, Sir Fordim.

Îbal -> Amarië

[Telchar]

Ibal - (Ulbar) - Aldarion - Gil-galad - Finrod - Amarië

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Welcome back, Telchar!

Hmmm . . . looks good. Your turn. :)

[Telchar]

Nobs ---> Brandir

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Nob -> Merry -> Galadriel -> Melian -> Túrin -> Brandir

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Éorl -> Céorl (Mortals only)

[Joy]

I think this is virtually impossible. It was over 500 years between the founding of Rohan and the Battle of the Fords of Isen.

Éorl -> The Sons Of Eorl -> Theoden -> Céorl

[Telchar]

That one is easy ...

Eorl -> Ceorl

There is no seperation, as "Ceorl" is simply the name for a footsoldier. Those Eorl were in contact with plenty ;o)

[Joy]

You have a good point there Telchar.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

But there is separation.

And I need specific names.

A hint, perhaps, would help: There was a chap once removed from Eorl that was preserved all those five hundred years. ;)

[Joy]

Éorl -> Céorl (Mortals only)

By Mortals only, you are meaning no Elves too right? And if you mean Smeagol, I don't see where he ever met anyone of Rohan

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

And if you mean Smeagol, I don't see where he ever met anyone of Rohan (Joy) The chap I'm referring to was "preserved", but not necessarily alive, during those five centuries.

[Joy]

Okay, I get it now. I was wondering if you were going that route :D Very good!!

Eorl -> Cirion -> Denethor -> Theoden -> Ceorl

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Oh, right, that would work.

*sigh* I was hoping someone would pass it through Baldur, son of Brego. Oh, well.

Sorry for being subject to my nitpickiness. :o Your turn. :)

[Joy]

I didn't think of that - well, it is 4am here. :D :D


This is too easy, but I am about to go to bed. Have to be in church at 10 to teach the kiddies.


Broda -> Imrahil

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Brodda -> Tuor -> Elrond -> Aragorn -> Imrahil

[Joy]

Very good :)

And that was fast!!

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Nerdanel -> Nellas

[Joy]

Nerdanel -> Feänor -> Galadriel -> Thingol -> Nellas

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Yours again. :)

[Joy]

Fréa -> Ar-Zimraphel

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I've found a way, but it requires using Saruman and Sauron:

Fréa -> Fréaláf -> Saruman -> Sauron -> Ar-Pharazôn -> Ar-Zimraphel

[Joy]

That'll work :)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Éomund, a leader of the Éothéod -> Éomund, father of Éomer King.