6 Degrees of Separation

[Joy]

I am reviving an old topic originally posted by the BarrowWright.

Here are his rules:
This one might be stupid ...we'll see ... but it was inspired by the Kevin Bacon game (if you don't know it, it doesn't matter).

The rules are:
Two names are given. You must trace a connection from the first name, through various other names, to the second name. When tracing from one name to another there must have been interaction or implied interaction in the novels between the two charcters. Also, a link can me made between names if the two characters are immediately related to each other (child, parent, spouse).

Example 1:
Frodo -- Grishnakh
The answer would be:
Frodo -- Pippin (or Merry) -- Grishnakh
direct interection in all links

Frodo -- Mauhur
The answer would be:
Frodo -- Pippin (or Merry) -- Ugluk --- Mauhur
direct -- dirrect -- direct -- indirect

Example 3:
Legolas -- Bard
The answer would be:
Legolas -- Thranduil -- Bard
related -- direct intereaction


OK... with all this in mind, I'm going to ask the first question in a reply to this message. Remember... to trace from a name to a name they must have interacted, most likely interacted, or be related to each other.

NOTE: There may be more than one answer. When creating a puzzle, try to make it so there is only one way to trace between the two names. This will be tricky.

ANOTHER NOTE: Someone like Eru is not a valid link unless we are linking Valar or something. And then Eru wouldn't be necessary since the Valar all knew each other well.

YET ANOTHER NOTE: Ask for a maximum number of links to trace the difference between two characters. For instance, in the Frodo to Mauhur example you would have to figure it out using no more than 3 links. See 6 degrees of Middle-Earth - #2 for the first question limiting the number of links that can be used.


Extra Note: Try not to use Gandalf, Saurman,or Sauron if it can be helped. These people have a link to just about everybody.

[ March 28, 2002: Message edited by: Joy ]

[Joy]

Okay, here is the first question:

Ted Sandyman ----> Haldir

[Voronwe]

Ted Sandyman -- Sam -- Haldir

[Joy]

Very good Voronwe

[Voronwe]

Here is one that might a little bit trickier:

Theoden --> Glaurung

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Théoden--Aragorn--Elrond--Eärendil--Tuor--Huor--Húrin--Túrin--Glaurung

or

Théoden--Aragorn--Galadriel--Orodreth--Finduilas--Glaurung

I'm sure there are many other possible ones, that's just what was in my mind immediately.

[Joy]

Bruce, both of those are good answers, but remeber, it is 6 degrees of separation. There can be only 5 answers to the final person.


Theoden --> Glaurung

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Theoden--Gandalf--Sauron--Morgoth--Glaurung

[Joy]

I knew you could come up with something Bruce! smilies/smile.gif smilies/biggrin.gif

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Bilbo Baggins --> Ancalimë

[Joy]

Bilbo -> Frodo -> Galadriel -> Aldarion -> Ancalimë

[Bruce MacCulloch]

All yours, Joy!

[Joy]

Rose Cotton --> Elwë

[ March 31, 2002: Message edited by: Joy ]

[ March 31, 2002: Message edited by: Joy ]

[Telchar]

Heh - I havent tried this before smilies/wink.gif
Here goes nothing:
Btw must it be the shortest way???
Rose - Frodo - Elrond - Celegorm - Elwe ???

or for certain

Rose - Frodo - Elrond - Elwing - Dior - Luthien - Elwë

- fun - heheh

[Joy]

Rose - Frodo - Elrond - Celegorm - Elwe

This is correct. Though I was thinking Rose -> Sam.

Telchar - it is 6 degrees of separation. There can be only 5 answers to the final person. So yes, the shortest answer wins.

[Telchar]

OK I'll try one

Sauron ---> Miriel

[Elenhin]

Sauron -> Finrod -> Finarfin -> Feanor -> Miriel

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Heh - Even shorter:
Sauron-->Morgoth-->Fëanor-->Miriel

[Telchar]

Yes Bruce is correct! When I thought of it, my mind was set on S - Celebrimbor - G - F - M, when I had posted I looked at it the other way around - only difference was that I used Finwe instreat of Feanor. Well go on Bruce, these are a fresh breath of air ... smilies/rolleyes.gif

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Durin --> Gimli

[Telchar]

Durin - Aulë - Olorin - Gimli

[Bruce MacCulloch]

I suppose that's close enough that I should give it to you. http://www.plauder-smilies.de/yellows/twirl.gif

[Telchar]

Tar-Miriel ----> Barahir

[Turambar]

Barahir --> Finrod (ring) --> Sauron (Tol in Gaurhoth) --> Pharazon (counselor) --> Tar Miriel

[Nefwathiel Teleri]

This is cool. I wanna try. OK, heere goes nothin'

Glaurung->Iluvatar.

Its easy, I know. smilies/rolleyes.gif

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Nefwathiel, a note about the 'rules' of the Quiz Room. If you look at the header for the Quiz Room, you will see: Ask a trivia question about Middle-Earth. The first person to get it right continues the thread with a new question.

[Telchar]

Turambar is correct smilies/smile.gif

(but I did have Gorlim insteat of Finrod)

Proceed please...

[Turambar]

Let's see - how about:

Ingwë ---> Idril

[Voronwe]

Ingwë - > Finwë - > Fingolfin - > Turgon -> Idril

Or maybe even just Ingwë - > Manwë - > Earendil - > Idril

[Telchar]

Another 4-way could be
Ingwë - Thingol - Hurin - Idril -...

[Voronwe]

Ingwë might even have met Idril. At least they probably would have seen one another.

[Telchar]

Actually yes Voronwe - nice point! She had to be born in Valinor! smilies/smile.gif

[Voronwe]

Ok, next one:

Halbarad -> Fingon

[Telchar]

Halbarad - Aragorn - elrond - Gil-galad - Fingon

... According to SILM! BtW maybe you can leave out Aragorn? or change him to either Elladan or Elrohir.

Another fun direction would be assuming that Halbarad meet Glorfindel at Rivendell, and there by cut it down to 4 seps:

Halbarad - Glorfindel - Turgon - Fingon

[ April 07, 2002: Message edited by: Telchar ]

[Voronwe]

Quite correct. It would also be possible to use Galadriel for the First-age connection.

Ask away.

[Telchar]

Voronwe ---> Merry

[Turambar]

Well - Voronwë - Tuor - Earendil - Elros - Elessar - Merry, but there may be a shorter route.

Regarding Ingwë --> I was thinking of Indis as the link to Fingolfin - didn't think of the others. http://www.plauder-smilies.de/kopfpatsch.gif

[ April 14, 2002: Message edited by: Turambar ]

[Telchar]

I can get it to at least 6 degrees... and I guess that a 5-way can be found so...

[Mat_Heathertoes]

Voronwë - Tuor - Earendil - Elrond - Merry ?

[Telchar]

Exactly Mat - well done as ever!

[Mat_Heathertoes]

Ungoliant ---> Bergil

[Telchar]

Hmmm
Maybe as simple as:
Ungoliant - Shelob - Sam/frodo - Pippin - Bergil

[Mat_Heathertoes]

Tch-Oh! Telchar found another way. I'd had
Ungoliant - Shelob - Gollum - Faramir - Bergil .. but there it is ... Telchar takes up the baton once more.

[Telchar]

Melian ---> Grima

[Voronwe]

Melian - > Galadriel - > Gimli - > Grima

[Telchar]

Perfect - I hadn't even seen that one!

BtW could somebody clarify the rules to me? For ex. must there be a explicit statement that two persons interacted or are you allowed to assume that they did???

For ex. Melian - directly to Olorin - Grima ??? or Melian - Irmo - Olorin - Grima ??? would they hold in court???

and to weird things: What about Melkor - Thorondor - Gwaihir - Sam ?

[Voronwe]

As a matter of fact I'm not too clear on the rules myself. I tend to make a 'link' when there has been a meeting or directly implied meeting (i.e. 2 characters in the same place at the same time) between 2 characters. I probably wouldn't connect Melian to Olorin unless I really had to, even though it's very likely that they met.

I'd hesitate to make the link between Thorondor and Gwaihir, since Gwaihir was only descended from Thorondor but didn't actually meet him. But that's just my opinnion, and I'm not sure what BW's original intentions were.

Anyway, the next one is:

Tar-Anárion -> Anárion

[Telchar]

Good one!

Tar-Anarion - Tar Ancalime - Tar Aldarion - Gil-galad - Elendil - Anarion

I would probably leave out Tar Ancalime and Elendil ...

[Voronwe]

That's exactly how I did it. Ask away.

[Telchar]

Ibun ----> Mathan

[Voronwe]

Do you mean Mahtan, the Noldorin smith? If so then:

Ibun -> Turin -> Orodreth -> Finarfin -> Fëanor -> Mahtan

[Telchar]

Indeed smilies/smile.gif

[Voronwe]

Ok, how about:

Galion -> Gorlim

[Joy]

Galion -> King Thranduil -> Galadriel -> Finrod Felagund -> Barahir -> Gorlim the Unhappy

This is the best I can do here.

[Turambar]

Or Galion - Bilbo - Aragorn - Sauron - Gorlim ?

[Voronwe]

Working in the assumption that Galadriel was there when Celeborn and Thranduil met, Joy's answer is fine. Personally I would have had Bilbo instead of Thranduil, with everything else the same.

Ask away, Joy.

[Joy]

Legolas --> Vardamir

[Dior]

Legolas - Beren - Dior - Elwing - Elros - Vardamir? Probably wrong, I'm assuming Legolas met Beren in Doriath.

[Elenhin]

Legolas -> Elrond -> Elros -> Vardamir

[Joy]

Elenhin, good job. Your turn.

[Elenhin]

Tom Bombadil -> Beleg (of Doriath)

[Lindolirian]

Tom Bombadil --> Frodo --> Legolas --> Thranduil --> Beleg

[Gimli Son Of Gloin]

He's not replying, so let me.

Sam->Lord of Nazûl smilies/evil.gif

[Joy]

Sam -> Merry -> Lord of the Nazgul
or
Sam -> Merry -> Eowyn -> Lord of the Nazgul

[Gimli Son Of Gloin]

correct! your turn

[Elenhin]

Gimli, don't you think it's a bit hasty to dismiss an earlier question and answer after only six hours of waiting? I can't stay up all night waiting for someone to answer my question on a message board.

Lindolirian: I guess your answer is all right - I'm not that sure about the link between Thranduil and Beleg, though. On the other hand, it's quite likely that they met in Doriath, since they were both highly respected Sindar. The route I had in mind is Tom Bombadil -> Frodo -> Galadriel -> Thingol -> Beleg.

[ April 29, 2002: Message edited by: Elenhin ]

[Turambar]

Lindolirian - what's the Thranduil - Beleg connection? Just curious.

[Dior]

He's assuming that since they both lived in Doriath they met.

[Gimli Son Of Gloin]

Elenhin: I'm sorry for being hasty, I guess that's why my name isn't Fangorn smilies/wink.gif

[ April 30, 2002: Message edited by: Gimli Son Of Gloin ]

[Lindolirian]

I was thinking Thranduil Beleg connection as they both lived in Doriath... anyways

Barrow wight (the one in the book) --> Isildur

[ April 30, 2002: Message edited by: Lindolirian ]

[Voronwe]

Barrow Wight -> Frodo -> Elrond -> Isildur

[Lindolirian]

correct

[Gimli Son Of Gloin]

Is someone gonna post a queston?

[Lindolirian]

still a bit hasty, eh? its only been a little less than a day since Voronwe posted the correct answer and evn less since i confirmed it..... just wait a bit. smilies/smile.gif

[Gimli Son Of Gloin]

I'm sorry, for being hasty, I wouldn't last a minute as an Ent in an Entmoot...

[Voronwe]

Eol -> Bard

[Lindolirian]

Eol-> Aredhel-> Turgon-> Galadriel-> Bilbo-> Bard

[ May 03, 2002: Message edited by: Lindolirian ]

[Voronwe]

Correct.

[Lindolirian]

Gimli--> Angrim

[Joy]

Gimli -> Elrond -> Dior -> Beren ->
Barahir -> Angrim

[Voronwe]

Perhaps I'm a bit late pointing this out, but Dior and Elrond never met.

[Lindolirian]

Yes but Dior was Elrond's grandfather.

Dior=Nimloth
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Elwing=Earendil
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Elrond and Elros

[Voronwe]

I know

[Turambar]

Joy's rules (from page 1):

When tracing from one name to another there must have been interaction or implied interaction in the novels between the two characters. Also, a link can me made between names if the two characters are immediately related to each other (child, parent, spouse).

[ May 07, 2002: Message edited by: Turambar ]

[Joy]

You know, I honestly forgot that Dior and Elrond never met!


I am trying to think of another link here.

[Joy]

I've got it now

Gimli - Galadriel - Finrod Felagund - Barahir - Angrim

[Lindolirian]

thats good too. your turn

[Joy]

This might be a little hard.

Golfimbul -> Eowyn

[Lindolirian]

Golfimbul --> Bandobras Took --> the Old Took --> Bilbo --> Frodo --> Merry --> Eowyn

hmmm is that counted as six or seven steps? there are six aroows which imply a step even though there are seven people so, six then? or not?

[Joy]

Very good, though I would did it without Frodo. That would make it right.

Golfimbul -> Brandobras Took -> Old Took -> Bilbo -> Merry -> Eowyn.

If you remember, Bilbo and Merry knew each other.

But otherwise, it is your turn Lindolirian.

[The Laurenendorian]

If you wished to shortten it, you could certainly insert Gandalf in place of Bilbo and Merry, and perhaps in place of Gerontius as well.

[Lindolirian]

Merry --> Yavanna

[Lómelindi]

Merry --> Aragorn --> Galadriel --> Yavanna

(This is my first try at this, bear with me.)

[ May 14, 2002: Message edited by: Lómelindi ]

[Lindolirian]

well that would work i suppose but i was thinking of something else....

think wizards...

[Joy]

I would say for Merry -> Yavanna

Merry -> Gandalf -> Nessa -> Yavanna.

[ May 20, 2002: Message edited by: Joy ]

[Lindolirian]

hmmmmm how did Gandalf know Nessa?

[Joy]

Duh my bad, I'm sorry, I meant Nienna!

Merry -> Gandalf (Olorin) -> Nienna -> Yavanna

[Lindolirian]

Yes, good job.

[Joy]

Okay, here goes...

Uinéniel -> Gloin

[Lothiriel Silmarien]

Uineniel 'Erendis'-> Tar Aldarion -> Gil-Galad -> Elrond -> Bilbo-> Gloin

I hope it's right!!!!

[Joy]

Correct, but I had something else in mind..

Uinéniel -> Tar Aldarion -> Gil-galad -> Elrond -> Gloin

Remeber, Gloin was at Rivendell twice, once with Bilbo in the Hobbit and once in FotR, in the chapter, Many Meetings.

[Lothiriel Silmarien]

Oh yeah that's true. Ok, I'll give something:

Manwe-> Gimli (I feel like giving another also, so choose which one you want)
or
Mandos-> Aragorn

[Lindolirian]

Manwe --> Thorondor --> Gwaihir --> Gandalf --> Gimli

[Lothiriel Silmarien]

Actually I was thinking of
Manwe-> Feanor-> Galadriel-> Gimli

But yours is right anyway, so go ahead! smilies/biggrin.gif

[Lindolirian]

eh, ok..
Finarfin --> Hama

[Joy]

Finarfin -> Galadriel ->Aragorn, Gandalf, Gimli or Legolas -> Hama

Just for fun I want to answer
Mandos-> Aragorn

Mandos -> Nienna -> Olorin(Gandalf) -> Aragorn

[ May 28, 2002: Message edited by: Joy ]

[Lothiriel Silmarien]

Ooh cool Joy, you got my answer! I always think of longer ones though! I was thinking of Mandos, Luthien, Dior, Earendil, Elrond, then Aragorn but you people think of quicker ways than me. Oh well, but right anyway!

[Lindolirian]

Joy is correct

[Joy]

Thank you, both of you!

Here's mine:

Galathil -> Dis

[Lindolirian]

Galathil -> Celeborn -> Gimli -> Thorin -> Dis

[ May 28, 2002: Message edited by: Lindolirian ]

[Joy]

Excellent job!

[Lindolirian]

Ar-Pharazôn -> Faramir Took

[Joy]

Ar-Pharazôn -> Faramir Took


Ar-Pharazôn -> Sauron-> Elrond -> Pippin Took -> Faramir Took

[Lindolirian]

Good job

[Joy]

Fréaláf -> Tindómiel

[Joy]

Any one have a clue??

[Daniel Telcontar]

Could you give a clue about who the persons are?

[Joy]

Daniel, I can't give those kind of clues here. But if you need to know, go to the Encyclopedia of Arda. (http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/)

Here you can find the names that I have.

[Joy]

If no one answers by Midnight June 5th, I will post the answer and a new question.

[Elrian]

Fréaláf -> Tindómiel
Frealaf>Eomer>Aragorn>Arwen>Tindomiel

[Joy]

Sorry Elrian. Try again. You are close though.

[Joy]

Sorry for not giving the answer right after midnight. I took Ambien for the first time and was knocked our in 15 minutes.

Okay, Here's the answer:

Fréaláf -> Tindómiel

Fréaláf -> Saurman -> Pippen(Or any of the Fellowship except Frodo/Sam)-> Elrond-> Elros -> Tindómiel

[Lindolirian]

I think perhaps you should go again.

[Joy]

How's this one: Maglor -> Thengel

[Lindolirian]

Maglor-> Eonwe-> Olorin-> Theoden-> Thengel

[Joy]

That'll work smilies/smile.gif

I had something else in mind though -
Maglor -> Elwing -> Elrond - Thorongil(Aragorn) -> Thengel

Your turn anyway.

[Lindolirian]

Halfast->Beleg

[Joy]

Halfast->Beleg

Halfast -> Samwise Gamgee -> Elrond -> Tuor
-> Turin Turambar -> Beleg

I am working on the assumption that Elrond knew his grandfather Tuor, who sailed to the West in 560 1st Age. Elrond was born in 525 1st Age.

[Lindolirian]

That could work. I was thinking of:
Halfast-> Sam-> Galadriel-> Melian-> Beleg
your turn!

[Joy]

That's true. I didn't think about that one.

How about
Pervinca Took -> Soronto

This one can be done, just takes a bit of thinking.

[ June 10, 2002: Message edited by: Joy ]

[Joy]

Am I going to have to give this one away too??? smilies/rolleyes.gif

Am I making them too hard for you guys?

[Lindolirian]

Let's see:
Pervinca Took-> Pippin-> Aragorn-> Lords of the Adùnië-> Soronto
i don't know if that will count, but Aragorn was descended from Elendil who was a Lord of the Adunie i believe who were close relations of the Royal Family of Numenore which Soronto was part of (grandson of Tar-Meneldur)

[Joy]

Lindolirian, I will accept that. Great job. That one was very difficult.


I was thinking along this route though,
Pervinca, Pippin, Elrond, Tar-Elendil, Tar-Aldarion, Soronto.

[Lindolirian]

ok how bout:
Dudo Baggins-> Curufin

[Lothiriel Silmarien]

Dudo Baggins-> Curufin:

Dudo Baggins-> Bilbo (or Frodo)-> Elrond-> Tuor-> Turgon-> Curufin

I'm pretty sure Turgon and Curufin met!! Hopefully, I wanna get this right!

[Lindolirian]

Yes, I believe they met in Valinor at least. I was thinking of
Dudo -> Frodo -> Galadriel -> Finrod -> Curufin. but urs was coerrect as well. Go for it.

[Lothiriel Silmarien]

Woohoo!!!!

Maedhros-> Mablung Of Ithilien

[Joy]

Maedhros -> Fëanor -> Galadriel-> Frodo-> Faramir ->Mablung Of Ithilien

[Lothiriel Silmarien]

You know you got it right! smilies/evil.gif smilies/biggrin.gif
Your turn now...

[Joy]

Excellent! Here goes:

Annael -> Manwendil

[Lindolirian]

Annael-> Tuor-> Earendil-> Elros-> Manwendil

[Joy]

Very good Lindolirian. smilies/smile.gif Your turn.

[Lindolirian]

Sorry for the wait.

Mardil Voronwe-> Lindir

[Joy]

Mardil Voronwë -> Eärnur -> Gil-galad -> Elrond -> Lindir.

[Lindolirian]

How did Earnur know Gil-Galad?

[Daniel Telcontar]

If Joy changes Gil-galad to Glorfindel, it will be correct, sine Glorfindel and Earnur met when they fought the Witch-king of Angmar.

[Joy]

Thanks Daniel, that was who I was thinking of smilies/redface.gif. I was thinking about the Witch-King prophecy that was given to Eänur.

So Mardil Voronwë ->Eänur ->Glorfindel-> Elrond -> Lindir.

[Lindolirian]

Good, thats what i wasthinking. You had me a bit confused with that Gil-Galad thing tho.. Your turn Joy. smilies/smile.gif

[Joy]

Grimbeorn -> Arador

[Lush]

Grimbeorn>>>Beorn>>>Bilbo>>>Aragorn>>>Arathron II>>>Arador.

Ok, I'm sure that Joy has a better answer in mind, but this is all I can think of off the top of my head.

[Joy]

Actually Lush, this is exactly what I had in mind! Your turn.

[Lush]

Sweet!!!
How about:
Pippin>>>Ulmo?

This is incredibly, disgustingly easy. I am ashamed that this is all I can think of.

[Lothiriel Silmarien]

Pippin-> Ulmo

Pippin -> Aragorn-> Arwen-> Elrond-> Tuor-> Ulmo

Pretty sure Pippin met Arwen, but I'm not taking chances! smilies/biggrin.gif

[Lush]

That's a great connection, but there is even a shorter, and more obvious one! Think of mothers!

[Ithaeliel]

Pippin>>Aragorn>>Elrond>>Tuor>>Ulmo. Just left Arwen out, that's probably not what you were thinking, but oh well.

[Daniel Telcontar]

It is not with mothers, but even shorter:

Pippin-Gandalf-Ulmo

[Lindolirian]

As Lush stated in this thread (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=14&t=000702), she will be gone for a few weeks. I'd say that it would be Daniel Telcontar's turn since his was the shortest. (I have no idea what her mother connection is). So, we might as well continue.

[Lothiriel Silmarien]

Is anyone going to continue?

[Lindolirian]

I'll take it.
Lothiriel-> Mablung of Doriath

[Lothiriel Silmarien]

Lothiriel was Eomer's wife if I'm not mistaken..

Lothiriel-> Eomer-> Aragorn-> Galadriel-> Mablung
And if Galadriel and Mablung never met (even though Galadriel stayed in Doriath for a while) then add Melian-> Thingol-> and then Mablung
I'm pretty sure that Mablung and Thingol met, considering that Doriath was Thingol's land.

[Lindolirian]

Great job, Lothiriel!

[Lothiriel Silmarien]

smilies/biggrin.gif smilies/biggrin.gif smilies/biggrin.gif Thanks!
I'll have to think of one now. And sorry that everyone had to wait!

Aragorn-> Gwindor

[Lindolirian]

Aragorn-> Galadriel-> Finrod Felagund-> Gwindor

[Lothiriel Silmarien]

Finrod and Gwindor met? Oh well, assuming your right, it's now your turn! smilies/biggrin.gif

[Lindolirian]

Gwindor was a captain of Nargothrond before he was captured in Angband. umm i hafta go, I don't have time to think of one. I'll be back tho.

[Lindolirian]

Amarië-> Eilinel

[Lothiriel Silmarien]

Amarie-> Finrod-> Gorlim-> Eilinel

[Daniel Telcontar]

I think Barahir should be put in between Finrod and Gorlim, I doubt they knew each other. Just an observation.

[Lothiriel Silmarien]

Yeah I think your right. Again, Daniel, AGAIN your right! smilies/wink.gif smilies/biggrin.gif

[Lindolirian]

Umm, yeah... Daniel's correct.

[Lothiriel Silmarien]

I'm always JUST getting it!! But not quite, damnit!

[Daniel Telcontar]

Well, you did get it. Gorlim may have known Finrod, if he helped assist him during the Nirnaeth Arnoediad, I was just providing an extra link to make sure it was correct. So go on, Lothiriel, it is your turn.

[Lothiriel Silmarien]

Your so nice Daniel, but that's ok. You usually come up with better ones anyway, you go.

[Daniel Telcontar]

Thanks, Lothiriel, I have made one, then, with 4 people in between.

Hurin-Dain II

[Lothiriel Silmarien]

smilies/biggrin.gif
Hurin-> Dain II

Hurin-> Turgon-> Galadriel-> Gandalf-> Thorin Oakenshield-> Dain II.
That is, assuming that Turgon and Galadriel met, which I'm sure they did, since they were cousins.

[Daniel Telcontar]

They did, Galadriel lived for a while with him in Nevrast, I believe. But if not, they probably meet in Tirion.
I had something else in mind: Hurin-Thingol-Celeborn-Gimli-Gloin-Dain II, but you are correct anyway.

[Telchar]

you can do that shorter ....

Hurin - Turgon - Galadirel - Gilmi - Dain II

[Lothiriel Silmarien]

That's what I had at first, but Daniel said there were 4 in between. So it's my turn? smilies/biggrin.gif smilies/biggrin.gif smilies/biggrin.gif Ok, gotta think of this one...
Ok, I looked for a while, and I've come up with two. I hope it's ok that I have two, just pick the one that you like and do that one. I couldn't make up my mind!

Agarwaen-> Ranugad
or
Ragnor-> Nimrodel

[Telchar]

Agarwaen - Thingol - Galadirel - Samwise -Ranugad

Ragnor - Beren - Thingol - Galadriel - (Amroth) - Nimrodel

[Lothiriel Silmarien]

Correct, as always, your turn!

[Telchar]

Easy one:
Nienna ---> Lobelia Sackville-Baggins

[Lothiriel Silmarien]

Nienna-> Lobelia Sackville-Baggins

Nienna-> Olorin/Gandalf-> Frodo-> Lobelia Sackville-Baggins.

[Telchar]

Perfect - go on L S

[Lothiriel Silmarien]

smilies/biggrin.gif Woohoo!
Ok....let's see..

Aredhel-> Faramir Took

[Joy]

Wow, I can't believe this topic has grown so big!!! smilies/biggrin.gif

Aredhel -> Fingolfin -> Galadriel -> Pippin -> Faramir Took

[ August 20, 2002: Message edited by: Joy ]

[Lothiriel Silmarien]

Your turn Joy! smilies/biggrin.gif

[Joy]

Haldad -> Ladros

[Anardil]

Please forgive me if I'm ignorant, but I thought Ladros was the name of a place: the land in the northeastern part of Dorthonion where Boromir and his successors Bregor and Bregolas had their realm.

Anyway, for all it's worth, here is what I think is a link between Haldad and Boromir


Haldad -> Haleth -> Caranthir -> Angrod -> Boromir (or any other Lord of Ladros)

[Anardil]

Please forgive me if I'm ignorant, but I thought Ladros was the name of a place: the land in the northeastern part of Dorthonion where Boromir and his successors Bregor and Bregolas had their realm.

Anyway, for all it's worth, here is what I think is a link between Haldad and Boromir


Haldad -> Haleth -> Caranthir -> Angrod -> Boromir (or any other Lord of Ladros)

[Joy]

Not quite, Ladros was a person. But you have a pretty good start so far. smilies/smile.gif

[Lindolirian]

Are you sure? This is the only definition I've found on Ladros:
A highland region to the northeast of Dorthonion. It was held briefly as a fief by the House of Bëor, but lost to Morgoth in the Dagor Bragollach.

The region of Ladros seems originally to have been a fief of Finrod Felagund (at least, his brothers Angrod and Aegnor held 'the northern slopes of Dorthonion', according to Quenta Silmarillion 14, Of Beleriand and its Realms). Finrod later assigned this land to Boromir of the House of Bëor, whose members had long been loyal in his service2.

Of the House of Bëor, there were three lords of Ladros - Boromir himself, his son Bregor, and Bregor's son Barahir. In Barahir's time, Morgoth overwhelmed Dorthonion and Ladros in the Dagor Bragollach: Barahir and twelve faithful men, including his son Beren, became outlaws in their own land, assaulting Morgoth's forces from their hidden lair at Tarn Aeluin on Ladros' southern borders. They were betrayed by Gorlim the Unhappy, and all were slain but Beren, who escaped into the south. After this time, Ladros fell under the yoke of Morgoth until it was swallowed by the Great Sea at the end of the First Age.

[Lindolirian]

Ok I'd say Anardil got it, unless Joy knows something nobody else knows. Any how this is too good of a thread to let die like this.

[merlilot]

Wow, this looks fun...but I would be obliged if the next one either stuck to the more prominent characters in the Sil, or anything in LOTR/Hobbit. Or any Hobbits at all. I haven't got my own copy of the Sil, so I don't have it functionally memorized like I do LOTR and Hobbit.
Thanks.

[Joy]

Okay, I will give it to Anardil, though I found it in the Sil. He was mentioned once, in one brief sentence. I will have to find it, though I don't have my copy of the Sil anywhere near me.

[Lindolirian]

Well, this thread is just too cool for me to let die like this, so here I go.

Erestor --> Voronwë

[Joy]

Erestor - Voronwë

Erestor -> Elrond -> Eärendil -> Tour -> Ulmo -> Voronwë

other Voronwë

Erestor -> Elrond -> Glorfindel -> Eärnur -> Mardil Voronwë

[Lindolirian]

The first one is correct. Good job!

[ November 27, 2002: Message edited by: Lindolirian ]

[Joy]

Thanks, I wasn't sure which one you wanted.

Luthien -> Beregrond

[Lindolirian]

Luthien -> Thingol -> Celeborn -> Pippin -> Beregond

[Joy]

Yes, your go! smilies/cool.gif

[Lindolirian]

Elenwë -> Belegund

[Joy]

Elenwë -> Turgon -> Tuor -> Rian -> Belegund

[Lindolirian]

Yes!!!

[Joy]

Sador -> Idril

[Lindolirian]

Sador -> Hurin -> Huor -> Tuor -> Idril

[Joy]

That is correct Lindo. Though there is a closer connection than that.

Sador -> Hurin -> Turgon -> Idril

Hurin and Huor both served Turgon and was brought to his Kingdom by Thronodor the Eagle when they were children.

[Lindolirian]

Right...

I knew that.

the Chief of the Lossoth -> Cirdan

[Lindolirian]

Perhaps it is too hard?
Hint: the Lossoth are the Snow-men who live near the Ice Bay of Forochel, I believe.

[Lindolirian]

Perhaps it is way too hard??

C'mon people, I know you've heard of the Lossoth (aka Snow-men) before!

[Flittermouse]

Cheif of the Lossoth --> Arvedui --> Aranarth --> Cirdan

It looked hard, but when I looked where I knew I had seen something about arvedui, it was all on one page in the App. A of the RotK.

[Lindolirian]

Hurrah!!! Now for Flittermouse!!!

[Flittermouse]

Cool.
Beor --> Glaurung

[Beren87]

Beor-Elwe-Turin-Glaurung

Beor led his people to Beleriand, where he (it is assumed) got permission to settle from Elwe, who helped Turin, who slew Glaurung.

[Flittermouse]

I don't want to go with assumed stuff. Just add one more person in to make it for sure.

[Beren87]

Beor-Finrod-Turgon-Turin-Glaurung

That one makes more sense, Beor served Finrod, who was friends with Turgon, whom Turin came to when he came to Gondolin,and Turin slew Glaurung!

[ December 27, 2002: Message edited by: Beren87 ]

[Lindolirian]

But Turin never went to Gondolin. I think it is:

Beor-> Finrod-> Beren-> Thingol-> Turin -> Glaurung

[Beren87]

Egad, was thinking of Hurin! *sigh* I conceade defeat.

[Flittermouse]

Too bad Beren, you were really close, but then Quiz Master Lindo had to come and ruin it for ya

[Lindolirian]

Oops.. heh heh. I just couldn't help myself.

Pimpernel Took-> Maglor

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Pimpernel -> Pippin -> Galadriel -> Maglor
Alternatively: Pimpernel -> Pippin -> Elrond -> Maglor

[Lindolirian]

That is correct, Bruce.

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Durin I -> Samwise

[Lindolirian]

Durin-> Aulë-> Saruman-> Merry-> Samwise

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Your turn.

[Lindolirian]

Mahal-> Gaffer Gamgee

[Pallando B.C]

Mahal -> Saruman -> Frodo -> Gaffer Gamgee

[Lindolirian]

You are right.

[Pallando B.C]

Farmer Maggot -> Melian

[Lindolirian]

Maggot-> (Merry, Pippin, Frodo, Sam)-> Galadriel-> Melian

[Pallando B.C]

Yes.

[Lindolirian]

Vairë-> Diamond of Long Cleeve

[Beren87]

Vaire-Mandos-Aule-Gandalf-Peregrin Took-Diamond

A first attempt...

[Lindolirian]

And a very good one at that!
I'll take it, but a safer route would be:
Vaire-> Mandos-> Manwe-> Gandalf and so on because while Aule and Gandalf most likely did know each other, it was Manwe who nominated Gandalf (Olorin) to go to Middle Earth as an Istari, so I would have done that, but you are correct anyways.

[Beren87]

Hmm..Also could replace Gandalf with Saruman.

Gollum-Elendil

[Lindolirian]

Ahh, that too...

Gollum-> Aragorn-> Elrond-> Elendil

[Beren87]

Aye, I made that one quite easy didn't I. smilies/rolleyes.gif

Your turn Lindolirian.

[Lindolirian]

Aye, always trying to think of harder questions; its the hardest part of quizzes!

William the Troll-> Ecthelion of Gondolin

[Beren87]

William the Troll-Gandalf-Manwe-Orome-Turin-Turgon-Echthelion

There's probably an easier way, but thats what I came up with for now.

[Lindolirian]

Yes, there is an easier way and it's gotta be 6 degrees of seperation.

[Beren87]

Well there are 6 seperations, just 7 people. smilies/wink.gif

I'll see what I can come up with.

[Beren87]

William the Troll-Gandalf-Durin's Bane-Gothmog-Echthelion

That perhaps works, as Durin's Bane would have had to have 'met' Gothmog, Lord of the Balrogs.

[Lindolirian]

That was precisely what I was thinking. Go ahead, Beren!

[Beren87]

Woohoo!

Bard-Feanor

[Lindolirian]

Bard-> Gandalf-> Manwë-> Fëanor
or
Bard-> Bilbo-> Frodo-> Galadriel-> Fëanor

[Beren87]

Ah, I'm going to have to work harder at this. The second one was what I had in mind.

Your turn of course.

[Lindolirian]

Enerdhil-> Lorgan

[Lindolirian]

Anybody?

[Beren87]

I cannot seem to find who on Middle-Earth Enerdhil was...

[Lindolirian]

That's the whole idea, my friend...

He's in a small chapter within a chapter of a ....book... hehehe smilies/tongue.gif

[ January 12, 2003: Message edited by: Lindolirian ]

[Beren87]

Well, he doesn't seem to be in LotR or The Silm, unless he is in Rotk's appendices.