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Okay this became very focussed on early Day 4; Mac and Boro
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Mac, you still haven't spelled out your case on me by the way? Reading back I was also reminded of Rikae's song. Loved it! ![]()
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Yeah, I'll be away toMorrow (Thursday/Friday) and it's doubtful if I can make an appearance then I'm afraid, though I'll promise to try best as I can. If nothing out of the ordinary happens I fully intend to vote Boro just so you know.
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Now for packing. Should at least check the thread out before DL but will probably not be that productive. Edit: x'ed with 2 Cailin
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(See I'm only ever good at this game when I get to be a baddie.) It's of course possible Pitch's first suggestion was Nessa and that's why he went after her so strongly the following day.
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Finally, I have a break to curl up on my couch with tea and just relax! I should be able to pop on here and there until DL.
I'll do this now, since things likely won't change: ++Manwe Though I do agree that it seems very likely Shasta dreamt of a Manwe-wolf, there is this tiny part of me that is remembering the last (and only other) time Shasta was a Seer, where after he died we were convinced he had dreamt a wolf, but we were wrong. I do think this time is different though, because he's approached it in a different way then he did last time (with the red-green thing, it's far clearer, last time it was a vague suspicion), and I don't think he would do that same thing twice, but I'm still slightly paranoid. ![]() I will come back on in a bit and give my opinion on everyone else.
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Well, here goes. If nothing else, we all need to vote together.
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Well now obviously all those who voted for Manwe now can't possibly be innocent. This is so strange.
I guess Manwe's a wolf and his pack has decided no point to argue about the seer, let's fight another day. Or he's innocent and the wolves are licking their chops at the smell of victory. Either way my vote won't matter today, but on a matter of principle, I won't vote.
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I've been relying too heavily on what others reported about Shasta, and I feel the need to look for myself.
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I see no dream-hints here at all. Thus we can assume his first dream was innocent, but that's all this shows. Perhaps he dreamt of Kitanna? If he dreamt of an ordo, I would expect something more clear than this, unless he deemed clarity too dangerous to be worth the trouble at this early point. Going by his later list (Agan, Legate & me) either Agan or I could have been the dream here. Day Two Quote:
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Day 4: List Manwe tops his list to "look at today". Lots of people, however, are on that list... actually, everyone except Nessa, me, Legate and Agan is either "under the radar", "pinging my radar", and/or needs to be "looked at today". We four are the only ones he gives a clear opinion on. He also flipflops from his stance of the day before on Nessa without much reason. List As much discussed already, me, Agan and Legate in the "green" list. Green-yellow has Nessa at the top. Too ambiguous if he dreamt her, or does he just want to avoid making his change of opinion to obvious? Wilwa and Cailin here too, Skip, Ed & Mac yellow, Boro, Greenie, Pitch & Manwe yellow-orange. Doesn't seem like a good idea for a seer to put a dreamed wolf in such a big group. As mentioned, no red. Manwe-analysis I don't agree with those who say this analysis looks like it's designed to back up his conclusion, but this: Quote:
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Also, I don't doubt the wolves saw the writing on the wall and decided to throw Manwe under the bus some time ago. I'm not going to put much stock on when people voted - after all, innocents have reason to be very cautious at this time, while wolves probably want to cut their losses and make themselves look as good as possible.
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N6, 58 First Age
Agan: Okay, Mänwe is the best course. That’s the thing you can read from what Shasta said yesterday.
Mac: Exactly. Mänwe is a known traitor now… Cailín: But aren’t there other ways of reading it?” Agan: You look bad for saying that now Cailín. Rikae: Shouldn't we look at those other possibilities? Agan: Well nothing’s gonna change my mind... Legate: You know, Mänwe is the best bet. wilwa: Some of those Shasta dreamt of might have died though? Mac: Let’s get this over with, it’s Mänwe. Greenie: I agree, lynching Mänwe is our best bet today. Cailín: I’m not wholly convinced by this Mänwe-is-a-discovered-wolf theory. Let's be careful though and not take things for granted. Legate: Well, it is not 100% sure that he dreamed of Mänwe, but likely. Skip: It would be foolish to ignore Mänwe today. Cailín: But wouldn’t Shasta have been more clear of it if he actually had a traitor dreamed of, just asking? Boro: Yes, why are you assuming Shasta dreamt of Mänwe? It doesn’t make sense with what he said. Legate: Well Boro, I could imagine Shasta dreaming of Mänwe. Agan: Boro I don't know if I should laugh or cry... Rikae: The Mänwe business is simply not as clear, contrary to what Agan says: "would be the first..." sounds more like a plan to dream him rather than a reference to an already dreamed traitor. Legate: I think it is quite plausible that he dreamed of him. I’ll give him the fourth vote. Nessa: Mänwe is my likely vote today. Boro: If he had dreamed of a Mänwe wolf, I would think a Shasta-seer would convey this more clearly and finally put an end to the wolves double kills. Agan: I would like to remind each innocent in this village that we need to vote together today. Despite Boro's behaviour. Greenie: Sure thing. I’m voting Mänwe. Cailín: Okay then, as you wish. But if Mänwe is not a wolf, we are all doomed. wilwa: It is very likely Shasta dreamt of a traitor Mänwe. He said red anyway. Nessa: If nothing else, we all need to vote together. Rikae: Doesn't seem like a good idea for a seer to put a dreamed wolf in such a big group of yellow-orange. As mentioned, no red... but even if Shasta didn't dream him, he's still a good bet for a wolf. ~*~ Melkor had been overhearing the discussion with a smile that got ever wider. "This has been the best day of the whole experiment! Look at how they eat something, anything suggested to them and even if their reason says to them it's all in the thin air - they go with the flow... even if those who really put some effort to thinking about the arguments differ - and even those find a way to join the chorus some other way of whim. Splendid! If mortal Maiar are this easily taken in when promised it's not their own neck that would be put on fire - they don't want to rock the boat then - so how easy will it be with the humans? I do love this experiment!" "Should we pay them a visit mylord?" Sauron asked standing beside his Master. "Nah... let them continue the learning-process." ~*~ "Everyone has their weapons?" "Let's hit simultaneously, everyone!" "Yeah, let's get him!" "I'm not joining... well... to heck with principles, give me a sword as well." And they all fell their weapons on poor Mänwe, the innocent Maia. The living: Macalaure - Carmótar, the Maia of housework wilwarin538 - Belongs to Vána, cares for all the small garden dwelling, winged creatures Nessa Telrunya - The patron of town criers across the world Rikae - A spirit in charge of silicon & static electricity Boromir88 - A Maia of Mandos, the interpretter of dreams A Little Green - A spirit in charge of aliens, hummingbirds and farming Skip Spence - A follower of Aule with an avid interest in behavioural sciences Legate of Amon Lanc - A Maia associated with the unfathomed depths of the world's seas but also with the waters surrounding Arda in the outer space... Aganzir - Aka. Firebeck, a spirit of fire Caílin - A spirit of secrecy The dead: Satansaloser2005 - (Innocent) A spirit of ducks, muffins and cookies; reduced to ashes and dust on D1. Ozban – (Innocent) Yavanna's underling with inferiority complex. Caretaker of undergrowth and small bushes in general, especially blackberries; ripped to pieces, dried and unintentionally pulverized on N2. Kath – (Innocent) A spirit of nostalgy; ripped to pieces, dried and unintentionally pulverized on N2. Loslote - (Innocent) A spirit of sunshine and rainbows; melted down and turned into vapor on D2. Kitanna - (Hunter) A spirit of all things unimaginative; committed a willful suicide on N3. Thinlómien - (innocent) A maia who lives in Lórien and paints the dreams of those sleeping there; her destiny was buried with Utumno collapsing over her body on N3. Valier - (Innocent) A handmaiden of Yavanna, collecting the morning dew from the petals of flowers; her destiny was buried with Utumno collapsing over her body on N3. Inziladun - (Innocent) A vassal of Námo, serving as a warden in Mandos; cut in half and turned to stone by Sauron on D3. Eomer of the Rohirrim – (Innocent) An associate of Ossë, speciality: lochs and ponds, great alliance with frogs; skinned, gutted and sank into his own blood on N4. Blind Guardian –(Innocent) A spirit of evil ways; skinned, gutted and sank into her own blood on N4. Pitchwife - (Cobbler) Tender of Oromë's dogs; killed by the Maiar on D4. elronds_daughter - (Innocent) A spirit of no-nonsense; sliced and cubed into a "hearty stew" between a discussion on theology on N5. Shastanis Althreduin - (Seer) A spirit of water; sliced and cubed into a "hearty stew" between a discussion on theology on N5. Mänwe - (Innocent) A spirit of short acquintances; unanimously killed with a blow from everyone on D5. It is Night 6 now. Wolves and the ranger; whether there is a toMorrow is in your hands now.
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D6, 78 First Age
“Okay mates, just two correct picks tonight and we’re victorious.” § said leering.
“So whom will the ranger defend tonight?” @ asked. “I think it depends on who xe is…” ¤ commented wryly. “And what kind of tactics xe sticks to.” # added. “We have there some whom are generally regarded as known innocents. Let’s pick them. If there is a save the village will be at the worst possible situation.” § suggested. “But wouldn’t the ranger think about that? Quite good odds for xem…” ¤ doubted. “Let’s pick the most suspicious-looking of the rest then. The ranger surely isn’t protecting them?” @ suggested in turn. “Unless xe goes through that very same thought-process and foresees our decision.” # warned. “So let’s just stand here to the rest of the days and do nothing?” § said now clearly annoyed. “We could toss a coin?” @ asked. “Let’s go and just pick someone.” § demanded. “Like now.” “You might be right.” # said and took off towards the sleeping Maiar. Macalaure and Cailín were sleeping when the swords hit them, two swords each. They were instantly dead. “Did we make it?” ¤ asked hesitantly. “Of course we did! Heh-heh…. hoo-hoohoo!” § rejoiced. “Wait a minute! Someone’s stalking us!” # said in firm voice. “It’s right behind me!” @ yelled when it heard a sword swing behind it’s back. They all turned to face the intruder only to see a shape in the shadows. “You’re not touching @! I’m protecting @!” the shape yelled. “You’re the ranger?” ¤ asked a bit baffled. “Yeah, and no one’s gonna even split a hair from @!” the ranger said determinately. “Hah… oooh… it’s just too hilarious!” § started laughing. There was a roar of laughter in the dark corridor when all the four traitors realized what had happened. Suddenly it was accompanied by a deeper and louder bellowing – Melkor was there as well. “You have proved yourself worthy minions to me, my traitors! I would have liked to have learned more of the frailty of a mortal psychology, but I guess I will be having naturally born mortals to test with in abundance from now on…” He looked at the four traitors and the frozen ranger and then let his eyes to wander where the last three remaining innocents slept. “Okay. Finish your job now. You’ll then join the defense of Angband as proven aides to my lieutenant Sauron. “ The four traitors went for their last victims in a frenzy of relief, screaming death. None of the innocent Maiar who entered the dungeon a few decades ago managed to come out from there alive. But all the four traitors marched out from there to see once again the sky and the ground of Middle Earth. Nothing is known about their destinies ever since but it is supposed they were taken to defend Angband from the siege of Noldor. Of their souls there is no account. The living: wilwarin538 – (Traitor) Belongs to Vána, cares for all the small garden dwelling, winged creatures Nessa Telrunya – (Traitor) The patron of town criers across the world Boromir88 – (Traitor) A Maia of Mandos, the interpretter of dreams Skip Spence – (Traitor) A follower of Aule with an avid interest in behavioural sciences The dead: Satansaloser2005 - (Innocent) A spirit of ducks, muffins and cookies; reduced to ashes and dust on D1. Ozban – (Innocent) Yavanna's underling with inferiority complex. Caretaker of undergrowth and small bushes in general, especially blackberries; ripped to pieces, dried and unintentionally pulverized on N2. Kath – (Innocent) A spirit of nostalgy; ripped to pieces, dried and unintentionally pulverized on N2. Loslote - (Innocent) A spirit of sunshine and rainbows; melted down and turned into vapor on D2. Kitanna - (Hunter) A spirit of all things unimaginative; committed a willful suicide on N3. Thinlómien - (innocent) A maia who lives in Lórien and paints the dreams of those sleeping there; her destiny was buried with Utumno collapsing over her body on N3. Valier - (Innocent) A handmaiden of Yavanna, collecting the morning dew from the petals of flowers; her destiny was buried with Utumno collapsing over her body on N3. Inziladun - (Innocent) A vassal of Námo, serving as a warden in Mandos; cut in half and turned to stone by Sauron on D3. Eomer of the Rohirrim – (Innocent) An associate of Ossë, speciality: lochs and ponds, great alliance with frogs; skinned, gutted and sank into his own blood on N4. Blind Guardian –(Innocent) A spirit of evil ways; skinned, gutted and sank into her own blood on N4. Pitchwife - (Cobbler) Tender of Oromë's dogs; killed by the Maiar on D4. elronds_daughter - (Innocent) A spirit of no-nonsense; sliced and cubed into a "hearty stew" between a discussion on theology on N5. Shastanis Althreduin - (Seer) A spirit of water; sliced and cubed into a "hearty stew" between a discussion on theology on N5. Mänwe - (Innocent) A spirit of short acquintances; unanimously killed with a blow from everyone on D5. Macalaure – (Innocent) Carmótar, the Maia of housework; pierced by two swords on N6. Caílin – (Innocent) A spirit of secrecy; pierced by two swords on N6. Rikae – (Innocent) A spirit in charge of silicon & static electricity; hacked to pieces in the frenzy of the traitors on the starting of D6. A Little Green – (Innocent) A spirit in charge of aliens, hummingbirds and farming ; hacked to pieces in the frenzy of the traitors on the starting of D6. Legate of Amon Lanc – (Innocent) A Maia associated with the unfathomed depths of the world's seas but also with the waters surrounding Arda in the outer space... ; hacked to pieces in the frenzy of the traitors on the starting of D6. Aganzir – (Ranger) Aka. Firebeck, a spirit of fire ; hacked to pieces in the frenzy of the traitors on the starting of D6. THE WOLVES DECLARE A PERFECT & DEVASTATING VICTORY! Time to gloat! Time to wail!
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That's the part I love the most about wolvery.
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WOLF WIN!
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Deadline.
Mänwe dead in a few minutes... stay tuned.
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