WW: LXXXV - The Lost Philosophers of Maiar

[Rikae]

Refresh my memory, folks. Has anything happened between Boro, Mac, Greenie & Mänwe that would prevent them from being wolves together? Suspicions too hot, that sort of thing? When Mac went after Boro the other Day, there was little chance of lynching Boro as Mac well knew. I can't recall anything else at the moment.

Anyway, I doubt very highly Shasta would have mixed together dreamed innocents with others in that "green" category, and it seems to be the best hint we have to go on. Greenie therefore earns baddie points by trying to cast doubt on it, especially since Agan could easily have been a dreamed "ordo" and actual cobbler at that point.
The Mänwe business is simply not as clear, contrary to what Agan says: "would be the first..." sounds more like a plan to dream him rather than a reference to an already dreamed wolf, but a Mänwe wolf, in that case, could still have killed Shasta because of that. At any rate, his posting toDay looks about as far from innocent as you can get. I can't see an innocent being so calm or detached in his situation: it is more like the response of a trapped wolf who decides to try reasoning his way out of things for the heck of it. The Boro/Mänwe "trying to play cobbler" business is especially bad. Sorry, Boro, but that looks like an explanation made up after the fact, or perhaps tacked on to the fact that, as a wolf, you wanted to pass yourself off as the cobbler, and Mänwe, is that a joke? If not, that's a pretty weak attempt at explaining yourself.

I won't be around the rest of the morning, but when I return I'll try to explain my thinking as thoroughly as I can, since as a known innocent, I'm likely to be toast toNight (of course, if we get a wolf toDay as we have to, the ranger may be able to block the one kill toNight, which would be a long overdue bit of good luck for us...).

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Refresh my memory, folks. Has anything happened between Boro, Mac, Greenie & Mänwe that would prevent them from being wolves together? Suspicions too hot, that sort of thing? When Mac went after Boro the other Day, there was little chance of lynching Boro as Mac well knew. I can't recall anything else at the moment.

I have been thinking about Wolf-on-Wolf attempts which might have taken place during yesterDay, and I would not put it past Mac nor past his opponents.

Anyway, I doubt very highly Shasta would have mixed together dreamed innocents with others in that "green" category, and it seems to be the best hint we have to go on. Greenie therefore earns baddie points by trying to cast doubt on it, especially since Agan could easily have been a dreamed "ordo" and actual cobbler at that point.

Now, now. I am not sure it was that much of casting doubt, not more than Agan herself did as well (about herself!). And generally, from her behavior, Greenie seems to me innocent-ish.

If I were to say the Wolves now, I would say: Mänwe, Mac, Cailín, possibly Wilwa or skip. I would bet rather safely at either of the former and with a questionmark on the latter two.

The Mänwe business is simply not as clear, contrary to what Agan says: "would be the first..." sounds more like a plan to dream him rather than a reference to an already dreamed wolf, but a Mänwe wolf, in that case, could still have killed Shasta because of that.

If so, whom do you think Shasta would have dreamed about, if not Mänwe? But no, I think it is quite plausible that he dreamed of him, and his "announcement" of that he is going to look at him that Day was just a sort of screen against being suspected of being the Seer. Given that Shasta's tactic was obviously not speaking out "hi, I am the Seer, this and this is innocent, this and this is Wolf...", it would fit for him to try to make it appear as if he suddenly found Mänwe innocent only during analysis of him. He did the same with me, in fact, saying "okay, after rereading I don't find Legate so suspicious anymore". Yet of course nobody believes that it was rereading which made him think good of me.

Anyway, let me now vote

++Mänwe

I am going away now, I will be back before DL still I hope, but just in case...