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Old 06-23-2023, 12:25 PM   #1
Alassė Estel
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Alright. Here is the next one.

Cardi śva ea mis astalda pan tai nar ślaitanė.
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Old 06-25-2023, 10:30 AM   #2
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Cardi śva ea mis astalda pan tai nar ślaitanė.
"Deeds will not be less valiant because they go unpraised".

And when the men have died in battle and honour, you have leave to be burned in the house, for the men will need it no more.

Carda should form the plural cardar (cardi would be a Telerin plural).

"will not be" is a complex one; it looks like the prefix lį- is actually a weird verb "not to be", attested in the form lanye, "I am not". The future form is lauva, "will not be".

I actually have no idea how I'd write "less"; I can't seem to find a useful adjective. What is mis? If forced, I'd do something like "not completely", alaqua.

Astalda is good for "valiant".

Pan may be the best word for "because". It looks like Tolkien actually discarded it, but the best alternative is something like cenai, "if it be that".

"they are unpraised" is another complex one. ślaita is good, but I think you want it as a passive participle (ie, an adjective like "named", "sung", "built". A built house, an unpraised deed). That means it can just sit after the pronoun and get the "are" in by implication. So it would be ślaitaina, and tai appears to be a decent pronoun.

So I would have said: Cardar lauva alaqua astalda pan tai ślaitaina.

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Old 06-25-2023, 11:38 AM   #3
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Thank you for explaining that, I do appreciate it. I am sorry for those mistakes, I hope it isn't too bothersome for you translating like that.

Also, here is a link to "mis", https://www.elfdict.com/wt/110751 .

And, as long as you want to keep going, I am ready for the next one.
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