Eorling Mead Hall Planning/Discussion Thread

[littlemanpoet]

Greetings, fellow travelers in these lands of the mearas and Eorlingas.

This thread will be a place where we can discuss and plan the action and dialogue and what-not that is written on the Eorling Mead Hall (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com./showthread.php?t=12545) Thread, which can also be understood as 'The White Horse Inn, Act IV'.

Part of what I want to do is make work of the Anglo-Saxon roots of Tolkien's Rohirrim, and that starts with a mead hall.

This immediately ran me into problems, because Meduseld literally means "mead hall" in the Old English spoken where Tolkien lived, the West Midlands of England, known before 1066 as Mercia, which literally means "The Mark". A mead hall was kept by the local lord. And therein lies the problem: King Eomer is the local lord; so how am I, LMP, going to make Eodwine of the Gap, the innkeeper of a mead hall in Edoras, when to do so is to put him on a par with King Eomer?

Solution: King Eomer makes an administrative move to improve the governance (and bureaucracy :p) of Rohan by instituting a Mid-Emnet made up of the lands immediately surrounding Edoras, and makes Eodwine the Eorl of Mid Emnet. I suppose it'll do.

Now onto other ideas I have for this thread. Rather than go day to day, what I'd like to do is follow a "day in the life of" mode at the mead hall. Thus, when night closes upon a particular day of events at the mead hall, the new day is not necessarily going to be the very next day; it could be a two or three days, a week, a month, even three months later. Since that kind of idea requires coordination, our kind Moderators of the Rohan RPG Forum suggested that I open up a discussion thread for the Mead Hall thread, in order to facilitate such discussions in an easier manner than Private Messages.

If you have any questions or comments, do post them to this thread; or if you prefer, send me a private message.

EDIT (6/16/07) Speaking of private messages, from time to time some of us have found it useful to create conversations between two or more characters by means of PM. We call these PM-built posts. Feel free to invite your fellow writer(s) to PM-build a post when the situation calls for it. Here are some examples: Eorling Mead Hall (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com./showthread.php?t=12545)Eodwine, Saeryn, and Kara (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com./showpost.php?p=500447&postcount=617)
Rowenna and Elían (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com./showpost.php?p=525374&postcount=804)
I'll add other examples as I find them.

One rule: There are to be no 'saves'.

And thanks for taking the time. :)

LMP
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Below are a few links to posts that contain useful information about Rohirric culture, expectations for players, and stuff like that:

1. 'A Day in the Life of' mode (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com./showpost.php?p=440180&postcount=9) of keeping time at the Mead Hall. *

2. Anglo-Saxon culture and Horses (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com./showpost.php?p=440298&postcount=16).

3. Lords and vassals (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com./showpost.php?p=441296&postcount=31).

4. Away from the Mead Hall posts (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com./showpost.php?p=443207&postcount=47).*

5. Rohirrim-Dunlending relations (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com./showpost.php?p=443984&postcount=52).

6. List of Characters at the Eorling Mead Hall (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com./showpost.php?p=448815&postcount=93).**

7. Dance! (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com./showpost.php?p=450374&postcount=123)

8. On Bailliffs, Stewards, and Almbudsmen (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com./showpost.php?p=450429&postcount=124).

9. Medieval boy/girl stuff: "rolling in the hay" (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com./showpost.php?p=451292&postcount=141).

10. Oven building (http://www.regia.org/ovens.htm)

11. Wattle and daub construction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wattle_and_daub)

12. Saxon buildings (http://www.regia.org/houses.htm)

13. Saxons Village reconstructed (http://www.kami.demon.co.uk/gesithas/saxby/ashall.html)

14. Timeline (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=517500&postcount=1595)

15. Anglo-Saxon occupations (http://www.regia.org/village/village.htm)

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Will we that wrote already in The White Horse be keeping our characters and continuing the plot that is already there, or will we be starting from scratch, as it were, with a new Inn?

[Nerindel]

hmm yes I was wondering the same thing? With her current employer off on adventures to the east Æòelhild is rather at a loss, with her current employment cut short and no home to call her own, (well not one that she is willing as yet to return too!) and an underlaying plot haunting her things again look bleak for poor Æòelhild.

Another question? how far from the timeline of the leaving of the innkeeper Bethberry will the opening of the Mead hall take place?

This Link may also prove informative and helpful :D http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ed/study_a_s_2.html

[Kath]

Well being a newbie to this part of the forum I have no previous plots to worry about so I'm ok with that. But what exactly did you mean by:

Rather than go day to day, what I'd like to do is follow a "day in the life of" mode at the mead hall.

I didn't quite understand it.

[Folwren]

I, too, have just been added to the Rohanian list of writers this last week (hope you don't mind a lot of new people joining you, LMP). . .it's clear already that Rohan is going to be more difficult to live up to than the writing in the Shire.

Here in Rohan, can I have my character simply walk up into the White Horse, just as I would have someone go to the Dragon at the Shire? P'raps, as you're not going to have it go successive days in a row, it would be better if he or she were a type of person to come back fairly often?

King Eomer makes an administrative move to improve the governance (and bureaucracy ) of Rohan by instituting a Mid-Emnet made up of the lands immediately surrounding Edoras, and makes Eodwine the Eorl of Mid Emnet. I suppose it'll do.

Would your Eorling Mead Hall, then, still be in Edoras? And I am somewhat confused on all this King Eomer and the like stuff, having never really thought about it. But if it's not going to directly affect any character that I come up with, do you suppose it's necessary for me to try to figure it out?

Anyhow, before I think up any other questions, I'll close.

-- Folwren

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

I wonder if you could clarify something LMP? It sounds as if the Mead Hall is an entirely different building than The White Horse Inn, and that it is no Inn, so to speak. And as such, it might prove more awkward for the women who are neither well placed nor servants to join in.

Also, I was wondering if the purpose of leaving the option open to advance time was so that story lines could be more quickly advanced. If that is the case, perhaps it would be a good idea to consider leaving a DT open?

Many thanks for the excellent link Nerindel! I'm off to read it more closely.

[Mithalwen]

Just reporting in as another newly admitted Writer of Rohan. Like Folwren, I am eager to cut my teeth at this new level but a bit bewildered by the new set up. So I will watch for developments with interest.

[Durelin]

I love the idea of this new 'inn.' I'm always sad that I never have the time/energy to participate in the current inns, but soon, once the two games I'm currently in are over, I think I'll actually stick with just hanging around the inns to get my RPing fix.

So this is a Mead Hall, and not really an inn. How precisely will it be structured? Will we make the 'Mead Hall atmosphere' practically synonymous with that of an inn? Or will we be going for a typical Viking mead hall approach? I can just see that. :p

And nifty loop hole, by the way.

Will you be leading the 'time jumps,' posting on the Discussion Thread about when you're making a jump and such?

Of course there will be plenty of room for plots, and a lot more for character development with time jumps. So I do love the idea. I think that this kind of set up will be an excellent place for a group to start developing a full fledged RPG storyline, with its beginnings in the Mead Hall.

If you have need of any on-going characters in this Mead Hall for any kind of purposes, please let me know. :D

-Dur

[littlemanpoet]

Will we that wrote already in The White Horse be keeping our characters and continuing the plot that is already there, or will we be starting from scratch, as it were, with a new Inn?
Excellent question, Fea. Anybody who wishes to keep their old characters around, are encouraged to do so. For my part, you'll be seeing plenty of Falco Boffin, Garreth, and Harreld; and Eodwine, of course.

The time of the new opening will be rather soon after Bethberry's leave-taking; I'd say within a couple of days. Certainly within the same week.

And Eodwine is going to be in need of those who wish to be employed at the Mead hall, so Aeólhild (sorry, can't remember the Ansi for Ae off-hand) will be most welcome to stay on. Eodwine will have to have a conversation with her so as to determine the exact nature of that arrangement.

Kath, a "day in the life of" mode is to be compared to how things run in The Green Dragon Inn, where time is continuous. That is, each new day is precisely the next day on the calendar. By comparison, I want us to have the freedom, as a group of writing rpg'rs, to agree that the next day may dawn on, perhaps, two days later, or a week later, or even a month later, depending on plot lines. Basically, I don't want us to wind up stuck in one week for the entire year. Does that make better sense?

Please pardon my lack of quotes; the computer I'm currently using does not have a good right-clicker.

Folwren, character can, are encouraged to, just walk into the Eorling Mead Hall on any given day. New arrivals are most welcome. And it will still be in Edoras. That was one of the purposes of Eomer's decision: to hand over local government to a local lordling so he could run the kingdom. I suppose the King Eomer stuff isn't really important to anybody but Eodwine, as he will be the one directly answerable to the king.

Aside: It'll be interesting, though, that being a Mead Hall, local issues of justice could reasonably be decided there, and Eodwine would perhaps be the one responsible for handing out that justice. :eek: Thinking out loud, there.

The Mead Hall will be the same building, but will be undergoing some renovations. That should be fun. :p That it is not an Inn shouldn't matter, really. The Anglo-Saxons were a very hospitable people, as are Tolkien's Rohirrim. In fact, Eodwine will be, by Eorling standards, a most hospitable eorl, to men, women and children. Please don't let that be a concern.

Bewilderment may have its place, actually. :) It could make for some fun writing. But I don't think you'll find yourself quite at sea as you may fear. There is, after all, this discussion thread to answer any questions, and boy, am I glad Pio thought of it!

Yes, we'll be going for the "Viking" mead hall, which wasn't really limited to the vikings at all. (In fact, vikings were pirates (the one word means the other) and therefore had ships instead of mead halls. Legitimate lords and earls had mead halls. It will be set up somewhat differently than the Inns. If you want a really good image of a mead hall from Tolkien, just read up on Beorn in The Hobbit. There's a great picture of it in the illustrated The Hobbit, too.

I will be introducing all potential "time jumps" (handy phrase, that), on this discussion thread, most likely during the evening of each day.

And yes, I do see a need for on-going mead hall characters, Durelin.

I am absolutely thrilled at the level of response! You guys have made my day!

[Kath]

Thanks lmp that does make much more sense!

[Durelin]

The "Viking Mead Hall" was decidedly a poke at stereotypical knowledge of mead halls. ;)

Aside: It'll be interesting, though, that being a Mead Hall, local issues of justice could reasonably be decided there, and Eodwine would perhaps be the one responsible for handing out that justice.

Ooooh... *has an idea for a perhaps short-lived character...* :p

And thanks for the suggestion, lmp. It's about time I re-read The Hobbit....

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I'd like a permanent place for Saeryn, LMP, if that could be arranged... and is agreeable to the Innkeeper.

Since she's currently stuck in limbo, sleeping off a concussion and a bit too much drink, she'll probably be down and out for at least a little longer ;), but I foresee a nice long talk with the new Innkeeper where she'll weep a lot over the loss of Bethberry, to whom she owes so much, and they'll decide what to do.

Is that, perchance, agreeable?

[littlemanpoet]

Thanks lmp that does make much more sense!
Most welcome, Kath.

The "Viking Mead Hall" was decidedly a poke at stereotypical knowledge of mead halls.
Poked I am. :) And glad to have inspired some creative juices flowing between the court of justice and a rereading of The Hobbit.

I'd like a permanent place for Saeryn, LMP, if that could be arranged... and is agreeable to the Innkeeper. ... Is that, perchance, agreeable?
Most certainly.

And I've been thinking..... whereas in a traditional Mead Hall, everybody just sleeps in one main room, we'll have a variation on that at the Eorling. Y'see, since it is the old White Horse, the only thing that will really need renovation is the common room. All those rooms off down corridors are already there, and Eodwine isn't about to ruin a good thing.

There's just one little problem...... What with ATM running and all these other things I have on my plate, I don't know exactly how soon I can have the first post up on the New Thread that is adequate to the kind of ambiance I want to achieve. So please be patient. It should be up by the end of the weekend.

Thanks!

[Nerindel]

No worries LMP, we look forward to it :D

So is the main hall going to be pretty much like the lay out of Beorn's hall with a sunken fire pit in the centre of the room and tables up the sides like.. forgive me movie Meduseld and the central area for gathering to hear Scops(poets) and gleemen (Harpists/musicians) who will perform by the fire light?

As for Æðelhild she will be most relieved that work will still be available to her but finding out that Eodwine is an Eorl may make her a little nervous, I will pm you a little more of why this will be so when I find a little more time.

I am also looking forward to the 'time jumps' as fun as a day to day accounting is I always find that I'm eager for the plot to advance and thicken so to speak. :D

[Bêthberry]

Hello there new Inn--meister and new Inn-mates ;)

I toyed with the idea of burning down the old White Horse Inn after Bethberry left, to leave the place open for lmp to set up his mead hall as he wishes, but decided to leave things for him to work out.

You could, of course, have the fire, and that would allow you to redo completely the physical layout the way you envision it. Also provide some initial requirements for action. (The Horse did have a fire once, though, in the stables, so maybe that is a bit repetitive. Yet a town built of wood and thatch...)

One aspect of the Rohirrim which has never seemed very Anglo-Saxon (or Viking) to me is the horse-rearing and the wide grasslands. I have always read those traits as pertaining to Tolkien's rough geographical layout of Middle-earth, which would put Rohan in the same tradition as the cosssacks of south eastern Europe. (Well, okay, I know the Kievian Rus was founded by Vikings. ;))

Expect Ruthven when she's least expected!

[littlemanpoet]

Again, pardon the lack of quotes. Yes, Nerindel, it will be as you have queried. There may be an aspect to which Aedhelhild (sorry no ansi to hand again), having known Eodwine before his elevation, may be somewhat less intimidated. But play it as your character is best played, by all means.

I toyed with the idea of burning down the old White Horse Inn after Bethberry left, to leave the place open for lmp to set up his mead hall as he wishes, but decided to leave things for him to work out.Glad you didn't. I don't foresee a burning down; too hard to control those things, and there's too much good about the old White Horse worth preserving.

One aspect of the Rohirrim which has never seemed very Anglo-Saxon (or Viking) to me is the horse-rearing and the wide grasslands. I have always read those traits as pertaining to Tolkien's rough geographical layout of Middle-earth, which would put Rohan in the same tradition as the cosssacks of south eastern Europe. Well, okay, I know the Kievian Rus was founded by Vikings.

I lean on Shippey for this: the particular Anglo-Saxon kingdom that Tolkien called his geographic home, was old Mercia (a latinate word); translated into the West-Midland Anglo-Saxon: literally, 'the Mark'. Shippey goes on to provide evidence (I don't have the tome with me) that the West Midland love of horses is specific to The Mark. Consider how many totemic chalk-horses there are scattered over England; maybe there were more horses in Anglo-Saxon England than the Normans would have liked us to believe. But this is beginning to sound like a Books discussion the way I'm rattling on, so I'll shut up about it.

As you can see from the above few paragraphs, I'm very very enamored of the whole Anglo-Saxon aspect of the English past and history (they are two different things). So this is a really good fit for me at the Mead Hall.

Expect Ruthven when she's least expected!Cool! :) Gandalfesque, there, eh? ;)

[Esgallhugwen]

Hello old friends, I have returned to once again enjoy the pleasures of the Barrow Downs.

It's sad that Bethberry has taken her leave. But new beginnings are always fun and exciting. I'd like to reprise my roll as Gudryn, seeing that now LMP is running his very own Inn it might prove difficult to keep the young lass in check.;)

I very much think that Gudryn would enjoy taking up a job at the Mead Hall. This would help to keep her busy and help her adoptive father with the renovations. Gudryn is fast maturing what with the obstacles and joys that have been thrown her way during the course of her whole life. After all she is becoming a lady sooner then latter and she must begin her journey into adulthood wherever it may lead.

I will leave the decision of her occupation up to you LMP, Gudryn is most capable and has many talents.

[littlemanpoet]

Excellent, Esgal! :)

I'll have Eodwine bring it up with Gudryn, and we'll see where it goes. Glad to have you back.

[Kath]

lmp if you need helpers in the kitchen I can happily create a character looking for a job. I prefer to have something for a character to do anyway! Anything in particular you need?

[Alcarillo]

And if the Mead Hall needs a young warrior or two, Garwine son of Garulf is looking for a job.

Also, lmp, when should we start posting? I've already typed up half of a post on my computer, and I'm ready to finish and post it as soon as you give the word. Can we do so now, or are you going to post once more telling us about the current events, weather, etc.?

[littlemanpoet]

Weather? Current events? :eek: Feel free to be creative with that.

Post now, please!

It never occurred to me that you guys were waiting for me to give you permission. The thread's open. If you've been cleared by Pio, you're fine; go for it.

Employees of all kinds are needed. I need a cook, serving-wench (gotta stick with the lingo of the culture), ostler (stable-man), general repair man, a bailliff, and a couple of men at arms. Oh, and for the next few months, carpenters and other building oriented craftsmen.

[Kath]

I'll take dibs on the serving-wench if you don't mind. I will get a post up soon but unfortunately real life has to come first for a bit.

[piosenniel]

Just chiming in here - yes, please post to the Mead Hall Thread.

Gamers in Rohan are encouraged to be more independent now that you have gamed in the Shire.

~*~ Pio

[Folwren]

LMP, if you don't mind, could I take the job of your Bailiff? If I'm thinking arightly, he'd be able to stay aroudn the Mead Hall quite a bit, but when some questionable character comes around and starts causing trouble, he'd deal with him - arresting him? Is that right? Or am I thinking too. . .violently or excitedly here?

We'll see. . . I'll write a post and put it up soon. . .

-- Folwren

[Anguirel]

Just wondering: what exactly can current Shirelings do in the Mead Hall? Could I, for instance, occupy one of the minor permanent Mead Hall positions?

[Esgallhugwen]

I've made my first post, I hope that you will be happy with it. I can't wait till the other characters start to be introduced both old and new.

[littlemanpoet]

I'll take dibs on the serving-wench if you don't mind.It's yours, Kath. Let's write it up.

Alcarillo, have Garwine stop by the Mead Hall and get acquainted with Eodwine. Maybe have him say that he had reported to Meduseld and been sent to Eodwine by the King's order. (or something to that effect)

Just chiming in here - yes, please post to the Mead Hall Thread.Thanks, Pio! :)

LMP, if you don't mind, could I take the job of your Bailiff? If I'm thinking arightly, he'd be able to stay aroudn the Mead Hall quite a bit, but when some questionable character comes around and starts causing trouble, he'd deal with him - arresting him? Is that right? Or am I thinking too. . .violently or excitedly here? That would be great, Folwren! I looked up bailiff in the dictionary to be sure. I fear I have introduced a Norman/French term (bailiff) into an Anglo-Saxon culture, a major no-no. :eek: The Anglo-Saxon term is hafod-monn, which is "head man". What we should be going for is a right-hand man, who carries out the justice that the Eorl speaks in his Mead Hall (court).

Just wondering: what exactly can current Shirelings do in the Mead Hall? Could I, for instance, occupy one of the minor permanent Mead Hall positions?Eodwine is a friend of the Shire, having spent time up there. He brought back with him one Master Falco Boffin, a former Shirriff of the Shire. So Holbytlan are most welcome in Eodwine's Mead Hall.

Thanks for your interest and involvement, everybody!

[Folwren]

Originally posted by LmP:
I looked up bailiff in the dictionary to be sure. I fear I have introduced a Norman/French term (bailiff) into an Anglo-Saxon culture, a major no-no. The Anglo-Saxon term is hafod-monn, which is "head man". What we should be going for is a right-hand man, who carries out the justice that the Eorl speaks in his Mead Hall (court).

Um. . .then how should I introduce my character? Should he, too, be suggested by King Eomer, or should I walk in and ask if you can use me?

Sorry for so many questions. . .

-- Folwren

[Nerindel]

I think for the moment I will have Æðelhild continue doing the same chores she had been doing for the pervious keep, airing the rooms changing linen and generally helping out where needed is that ok?

This link (http://www.cs.cmu.edu/People/mjw/recipes/ethnic/historical/med-anglosaxon-coll.html) might be interesting for anyone interested in taking up the role of cook ;)

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

The basic rule of thumb is "Do what you think will work best."

Much like Dorothy and her experience with Kansas, you aren't in the Shire anymore. You get more freedom. Have fun with it.

[littlemanpoet]

Um. . .then how should I introduce my character? Should he, too, be suggested by King Eomer, or should I walk in and ask if you can use me?
The culture was one of authority, but in a relaxed way, certainly as compared to modern military organizations. So there's a "who you know" side to this; it doesn't have to be the King; it could be any man at arms, because any one of them who has his post in Edoras, knows Eodwine, a veteran himself from the Ring War. So they'll be looking for likely types to send his way. If you can think of an alternate way that you'd rather do it, give it a try, and I could tell you what needs revising if anything is too far out for the culture.

These two links may be of interest and aid to us:
Bright's Anglo-Saxon glossary (http://www.ling.upenn.edu/~kurisuto/germanic/oe_bright_glossary.html); and Regia Anglorum (http://www.regia.org/listings.htm) for which I'm indebted to Nerindel; thanks!! :) And thanks for the recipe link. Being mainly an eater and drinker and not a fixer of foods, it'll help me out in writing this thread.

Good words, Feanor.

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

Shwoa! More wonderful links, many thanks Nerindel!

[Nerindel]

Happy to help! oh I forgot about Ravensgard (http://www.ravensgard.org/gerekr/anglo.html) this one is good too. :D

[Folwren]

I'm using the word Bailiff in my posts. Is there another word I can or should replae it with? I can't think of anything better, but if you don't want it there tell me. But also help me out with a replacement, please!

-- Folwren

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Perhaps Saeryn will take up the post of the Offical Greeting Lady. :eek:;)

Actually, I might have her approach Eodwine about the idea once he's got a spare moment. While he runs the Mid-Emnet and the mead hall, she could take care of the household businesses and lodging and such until... you know... Eodwine finds himself a wife.

What think you, LMP?

[littlemanpoet]

I'm using the word Bailiff in my posts. Is there another word I can or should replae it with? I can't think of anything better, but if you don't want it there tell me. But also help me out with a replacement, please!

Quite simple, after having done the necessary research, and wouldn't you know that Tolkien has beaten us to it? The correct word is steward. Plain and simple. I think that the title of steward means more than bailiff, but I have no problem with that.

Perhaps Saeryn will take up the post of the Offical Greeting Lady. Sounds great to me, Fea. The title for that role is, I'm afraid, rather prosaic: hostess. Alternates are 'stewardess' (but that would be at a higher level than hostess, and require more responsibility), and 'housewife', since there is apparently no distinction that I'm aware of between woman and wife. :eek: At any rate, Særyn seems to have slipped into the role rather smoothly, and that's fine with me.

Sorry, Anglo-Saxon and Rohirric cultures were not exactly known for equality of role between the genders. :rolleyes:

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Hostess, of course. LIke a Twinkie... only not. ;) Sweet.

[littlemanpoet]

Folwren must have rl business with which to deal .... therefore, I'm going to post a move in the time continuum to lunch time or something, and have Eodwine move on to other things; Folwren, feel free to write Thornden's reply to Eodwine and have it occur in 'past perfect' as a thinking back thing in your next post.

I won't post immediately, so anybody, let me know by 6 pm eastern if you need me to hold off.

[Firefoot]

Folwren, I believe, does not currently have internet access at home, only at work, and her work days are fairly limited. :)

[littlemanpoet]

Thanks for the info, Firefoot. I had internet issues of my own until right now. "Whew!" Now to get busy....

Ack! Not enough time. Will post something some time tomorrow. Sorry! Anybody, feel free to post and move the day along .... a little bit....

[Folwren]

I apologize about that. Should have explained myself. Thanks, Firefoot. But good news - Pop's been talking about getting internet at home, and Mom's rather pressing for it, and that helps lots. We'll see if I don't have it at home in a little while. . .then I'll be posting more constistantly.

I'll go see what's happening at the Mead Hall. . .

EDIT: LmP, since you haven't moved the time ahead, can I go ahead and write the necessary post? I honestly don't know what Thornden is going to say, but if it's still alright, I can write that and have it up before too long. What do you think?

-- Folwren

[Nerindel]

I'm thinking, the position of Chamberer(hmm can't seem to find the Anglo-Saxon equivalant) would best suit Æðelhild, that would put her under Saeryn's supervision I would think ;) and might make her a bit more at ease.

[Folwren]

Chamber maid, maybe?

-- Folwren

[littlemanpoet]

Chamber is from Old French; in other words, it's a word the Normans brought with them in 1066. Curse 'em! ;)

The closest Old English is 'cofa' which is related to modern English, "coffin". Heh.

Other alternatives are naming the role for an aspect of it such as Cinderella; cinder girl.

I got it! Barmaid. What do you think?

EDIT: I just read your great post, Nerindel: chambermaid it is, unless you can think of a better.

[Folwren]

LmP, I can't think of anything constructive to write for Thornden until later in the RPG day. . .so unless you're expecting some sort of reply from him sooner, I'll have to wait until you jump the time until afternoon or so. :) I'm fine with waiting, as long as you weren't expecting anything sooner.

-- Folwren

[littlemanpoet]

I figured I'd give you an out, Folwren, by not including something like "Eodwine waited for Thornden to respond". It occurs to me that one of the things Thornden is going to figure out is that the job of steward and that of almbudsman can't be done by one person in a 'manor' as sprawling as the Middle Emnet (which I still have to figure out on a map). So after some time, Thornden might tell Eodwine that he has discovered this, say, after coming back to the Mead hall after the sun has set some night.

I'm thinking that the next Day will be seven days after this one, unless anybody would like to have the next Day come sooner.

One other thought: usually, the action that takes place, does so in the Inn, and anything outside the Inn is reserved for afterthought. This being a Mead Hall with lands attached, we may have to allow some posts to be written away from the mead hall. For example, the almbudsman can go to a farmstead and have a talk with the freeman who owns it, and request to collect such and such a fee. Just a thought. If we handle it well, it shouldn't be a problem; this thread should help. Thoughts?

[piosenniel]

On your 'away' posts - why don't you just tag them with a bolded line above the post:

Away - Cráwham Village

or something like that . . .

Be easy to follow that way - especially if there were more than one 'away' situation happening at a time.

~*~ Pio

[littlemanpoet]

Great idea, Pio! Thanks! We'll go with that then.

[littlemanpoet]

Forgoil? Help me out. Looks like it means something like 'bad luck'.

This is going to be interesting, Anguirel. I like how you've built tension into the Eorling Mead Hall story. Especially concerning a certail Eorl of the Middle Emnet.

You see, Eodwine of the Gap used to be a humble farmer who owned land in the Gap of Rohan; had a wife and two kids. He was called to the muster of Rohan, and went to War, but when he got back he discovered that his wife and children, and farm, had been desolated by the Dunlendings. He was one of the leaders of the reprisals (he called it justice-seeking) against the Dunlendings. So this'll be interesting.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Forgoil. Strawheads. If I remember right.

[Alcarillo]

So says Ardalambion (http://www.uib.no/People/hnohf/mannish.htm).

But the other names, like Caerissin, are they something Celtic? It would seem historically appropriate that the Old English Rohirrim would've invaded the lands of the Celtic language Dunlendings.

[littlemanpoet]

Let us consider, for the purposes of Eorling Mead Hall, Alcarillo, that the Rohirrim have indeed invaded the lands of the Dunlendings, as a reprisal for the Dunlending alliance to Saruman. I've had an rpg idea on the back burner .... in which Eodwine is appointed Warden of the Dunland Marches, in which he is ordered by Eomer to (1) bolster the defenses along the new border (2) impose Rohirric rule and law upon the folk of Dunland that are within the new border (3) give swift reprisal against Dunlending attacks onto the new Rohorric land.

Now it has to be someone beside Eodwine, since the man has a new Eorlship to deal with instead, but I still like the idea. It's a replaying of English history without the Norman influence, more or less.

I'd like to see Manywyth (is that right) brought into the mead hall before I make a post for Eodwine.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I'd like to see the same before I post for Saeryn.

[Alcarillo]

Yes, yes, I have half a post on my computer. Just let me finish it and Manawyth will be standing before your lordship in no time!

[Dunwen]

Pio was kind enough to send me a message in mid-January suggesting that I take a peek at Littlemanpoet's discussion thread for the Eorling Mead Hall, which I have finally gotten to now that I am done preparing various projects at work. I am intrigued and attracted! However, I hesitate to propose a permanent character due to RL constraints -- my availability to post depends on what time of year it is. :(

However, I saw that Eodwine, as Eorl of the Mid Emnet, has holdings away from the mead hall itself...LMP, may I play a character from one of the freeholds? For example, a farmer would be expected to send provisions to the lord periodically. That would enable me come and go (so to speak) as I need to and would provide a character to interact with others in the Hall. If something like that would work, let me know.

[Anguirel]

Manawyth and Caerissin are both Welsh/Anguirelish words...

I think this is going to be interesting...

[littlemanpoet]

Pio was kind enough to send me a message in mid-January suggesting that I take a peek at Littlemanpoet's discussion thread for the Eorling Mead Hall, which I have finally gotten to now that I am done preparing various projects at work. I am intrigued and attracted! However, I hesitate to propose a permanent character due to RL constraints -- my availability to post depends on what time of year it is. :(

However, I saw that Eodwine, as Eorl of the Mid Emnet, has holdings away from the mead hall itself...LMP, may I play a character from one of the freeholds? For example, a farmer would be expected to send provisions to the lord periodically. That would enable me come and go (so to speak) as I need to and would provide a character to interact with others in the Hall. If something like that would work, let me know.

By all means, Dunwen,, I like the idea! Feel free to introduce your farmer at any time.

Feanor, it's still the same day - roughly lunch time. Falco has been a very late riser this day.

Yes, Anguirel, I'm finding it intriguing too. Especially with how Falco changes the whole dynamic. :D

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Oh pish. Somehow I contorted my times. Blame a spastic weekend.

[Folwren]

Great Heaven's above! You would have me figure out an answer, wouldn't you? :mad:

Well, at least I'm here today, so I'll be able to answer it before Tuesday. *sigh* We'll see what poor Thornden can do.

Anguirel, tell me. . .did your character (I can't spell his name) really call Eodwine a lout and plunderer? I thought he did but, I couldn't be quite sure. That's so. . .insulting.

-- Folwren

[Anguirel]

Not exactly.

He said that just as to Eodwine he looked like an outlaw, to him, Eodwine looked like a lout or a plunderer. Then he blamed it on cultural heritage.

Manawyth's really a rather liberal chap!

[Folwren]

Aye, a little liberal in a place where it's not exactly healthy for a Dunlending to be liberal.

-- Folwren

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

It's okay... it's creating such wonderful tension.

[Folwren]

Okay, well, I've written a post. I really don't know how good it is. :( We'll see how others take it.

-- Folwren

[littlemanpoet]

Great Heaven's above! You would have me figure out an answer, wouldn't you? :mad: Hee hee! :D What fun.

Well, at least I'm here today, so I'll be able to answer it before Tuesday. *sigh* We'll see what poor Thornden can do. (snip) Okay, well, I've written a post. I really don't know how good it is. I was going to take you off the hook with my latest post, but you snuck it in there, as was your right and priviledge. I'm eager to see what Manawyth does with this latest twist in the plot. By the way, this is a gas! Great writing! I really like the way the various characters have reacted across the board, from Gárwine's truly Rohirric attitude (not unlike Eodwine's) to the 'not knowing' of Gudryn, to the reserved judgement of Thornden, to the open mindedness of Saeryn and others. Great variety!

[littlemanpoet]

Anguirel, do you want a reply from me? Adhelhild plays the flute, doesn't she, rather than the harp?

I'll make a post. Maybe I'll manage more than one paragraph.... :p

[Nerindel]

Adhelhild plays the flute, doesn't she, rather than the harp?


Indeed she does, though I have to admit that was all Bethberrys doing :P But she does have a geat love for music and will no doubt be greatly interested to hear something new ;)

[Bêthberry]

Adhelhild plays the flute, doesn't she, rather than the harp?



Indeed she does, though I have to admit that was all Bethberrys doing :P But she does have a geat love for music and will no doubt be greatly interested to hear something new


Ppfft and twaddle and fiddle de dee. Did you raise any objections to the idea?

And anyways, I think Fordim had dibs on the harpist, didn't he? :D

[littlemanpoet]

Just so everybody knows, Feanor and I are trading PMs right now, building a little dialogue that will be posted to the thread as soon as we've decided it's ready. So please feel free to post up while this develops.

[Folwren]

Originally posted by LmP:
Just so everybody knows, Feanor and I are trading PMs right now, building a little dialogue that will be posted to the thread as soon as we've decided it's ready. So please feel free to post up while this develops.

Ah, yes, I see. I was wondering about that. It was a great post. Will have to rep the both of you on it somehow.

----------------

I'll do my best to get a post up today, but my right hand is bandaged (almost) entirely, so typing is slowed down considerably. But, I'll do my best, as I said.

-- Folwren

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Ah, yes, I see. I was wondering about that. It was a great post. Will have to rep the both of you on it somehow.[/QUOTE

My thanks. Give LMP the credit... he's the one that's got me dying to find out just what those "my d-"'s are.

[QUOTE] I'll do my best to get a post up today
I look forward to it. Sorry about your hand... hope it gets better quickly.

[Nerindel]

Give LMP the credit... he's the one that's got me dying to find out just what those "my d-"'s are.

lol Yes me too, a very nicely constructed post you two. Just enough to keep us guessing I love it ;) the whole turn about with Eodwine swearing an oath to Searyn was great. I would have rep you but apparently I still have to spread it about a bit more :rolleyes:

I too will try to get something up for Aeolhild tonight.

Anguirel how recent is Manawyth's injury? Aeolhild may know of something that can take down the swelling if it is recent.

[Alcarillo]

“What… er… no, I meant about him being a Dunlending girl!” he frowned looking up at her.

“Oh he is!” she answered a little surprised,
:eek: Surely you meant boy, right? ;)

Or was Master Boffin just being sarcastic to highlight Adhelhild's unknowing? :confused:

[Firefoot]

I've noticed that a couple of you are around right now and just thought that with my cross-posting with Nerindel I would let you know in case some of you read it before I edited it that I did edit the first couple lines or so of my post. Just a bit about noticing Adhel's pouring of their wine for more continuity and in case it eventually leads somewhere.

And in that quote, I believe it is meant as Falco addressing Adhel and calling her girl, not meaning that the Dunlending is a girl.

[Nerindel]

oh! lol well actually I did mean girl, but my punctation faulters somewhat when I am tired, it should have been : “What… er… no, I meant about him being a Dunlending, girl!"the girl being a referance to Aeolhild not Manawyth ;) but anyway I decided to take it out to save any further confusion. :)

My turn to cross post. Thanks firefoot I will check it out ;)

[littlemanpoet]

Just so you know what direction I've finally decided to take with this:

The first few days, the carpenters are going to be erecting a canvas tent - quite large - to serve as the temporary dining area for the mead hall; which could get dicey in bad weather, so that the mead hall can afterward be properly constructed by the carpenters et. al.

Where is this tent going to be raised? Well, that's a puzzle, because I don't have a clear idea of the layout of the land that this old White Horse Inn lay on, just that it was in Edoras. I'll have to give that some thought. At any rate, the carpenters are busy at work outside for the first couple of days.

Any questions?

[JennyHallu]

I am thinking of adding a character to the Hall, but more as a guest than an employee. Is the Hall open for business, or should I wait until things are more settled?

Be it known that I do not yet have a particular character in mind.

[littlemanpoet]

I am thinking of adding a character to the Hall, but more as a guest than an employee. Is the Hall open for business, or should I wait until things are more settled?

Be it known that I do not yet have a particular character in mind.You certainly don't have to wait! You might find it fun to be a guest in the middle of all the hubbub of construction and tear-down. Soon as you're ready.

[JennyHallu]

Awesome. I've never played anywhere here but the Green Dragon. May I just walk in IC once I have a character, or should I give warning here?

EDIT: I'm thinking that my character will be a Gondorian woman from Belfalas, and a cousin of Lothiriel. That will be a good excuse for a visit, don't you think?

[JennyHallu]

I have introduced my character, Lin, in the Hall. Marenil is temporary only, I needed his viewpoint to properly introduce her.

[Firefoot]

Alcarillo, is there anything you would have Garwine say before Leof rushes off to help Jenny's characters? Or, you know, we can go with the awkward silence variety...

[Alcarillo]

How about . . .
GARWINE: *silent for a few moments* "Well, you could be right. He does know our language well enough and rode here upon a horse. But . . . still, he's a Dunlending. I still don't trust him." *more silence*

[littlemanpoet]

I'm kind of waiting for Feanor to write a post to follow up the Saeryn/Eodwine dialogue. If I can put some ideas together, I'll go ahead and post, and Feanor, just ask Pio to put your response wherever it fits best, okay?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Oh! Good to know... I can't guarantee posting time for a few days, but Saeryn will be suitably reacted by the time I'm done. :)

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

When I thought I had no posting time, I forgot to take into account that I'm nocturnal and it's still early. :D Saeryn's reacted and waiting for Eodwine to break the news that he's going to keep her safe by shipping her out. :rolleyes: She's so silly.

[littlemanpoet]

I for one don't see why Marenil can't have a rather prolonged visit. While Bethberry was innkeeper at the old white horse, I happen to have had a goodly four regular characters, two of them by sheer accident, but they ended up being part of the life of the party. So Jenny, don't feel like you have to get rid of Marenil; there's too much good writing to do for him. :)

[JennyHallu]

Oh goody!

I intended to get rid of him, but then I liked him so much after I started writing with him...hmm...must come up with reason for him to stay around...

The immediate and obvious thing to do is give him a heart attack, but that doesn't seem very kind to the poor man.

Accepting ideas...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Does he have any building experience?

[JennyHallu]

I think he's been more of a supervisor. He's a long-time, loved, trusted servant of the family, and while I'm sure he'd never hesitate to do manual labor, he's been working perhaps as the family's steward. He's probably managed contractors, but his skills lie in other areas.

EDIT: The challenge of keeping him around, of course, is that his reason must be something that pre-empts his duties to his Lord. A heart attack may well be the best thing, as no one would begrudge such a loyal and well-loved member of the household the time to recover, especially since Lin is there to keep the family posted. Then I could slowly, by letters from home, free him of his duties.

[littlemanpoet]

You could have Lin get into a pinch that only Marinel can understand how to deal with; it might be interesting to have Thornden have a run for his money in terms of stewarding ability. Or Marinel could give Thornden pointers on that. I'm thinking that at some point in the not so distant future, Eodwine will find it necessary to divide the responsibilities of almbudsman and steward between two individuals, and Thornden seems like a natural for the almbudsman job, which leaves a nice little opening for Marinel......

[JennyHallu]

I'm not sure if he'll really look for a new job, yet, or cheerfully enjoy his retirement. He will want to stay where Lin is, and her 'visit' is likely to become quite stretched out. Actually, I've been thinking about this one all afternoon, and I think a heart attack is how I'm going to play it, and then see where it goes as he recovers and becomes a sort of wise grandfather figure for the whole bunch. The almbudsman isn't likely to need a lot of extra help for a while though, and that way he can perhaps slip into stewardship sideways, so that he's been really doing a lot of the job for a while before it's ever made official, just because he's bored of being a bedridden old man and "that young Thornden", and the "good young Lord Eodwine" need help.

Lin knows him well enough to nudge him in that direction, especially after her father releases him from his service. How's that sound?

[littlemanpoet]

Sounds great! :)

The "good young" Lord Eodwine is 40 years old.

[JennyHallu]

Of course he is! But you must respect your elders...and calling full-grown adults "lad" is a bit of a weakness of Mar's. He does it to women, too, but they take it a lot better than men do. Women like being thought youthful. I wish I'd been around longer though, so many of the characters in the Hall are long-established, and I'm meeting them for the first time. Must remember to throw some PMs around perhaps as I interact with people for the first time.

Any chance you could post a summary of character names and their jobs?

[littlemanpoet]

Currently Active Characters

Writer.........Character............Role

Elempi.......................Eodwine of the Gap, age 41......Host of Eorling Mead Hall, Lord of Middle Emnet, former Messenger of the King of Rohan (yes, quite a promotion!)

Elempi.......................Master Falco Boffin, age 53.......Halfling originally from Michel Delving, shirriff on extended vacation

Elempi.......................Garreth and Harreld Smith, age 35....well, they're smiths, big burly twins in their mid thirties, looking for wives. Garreth is the loudmouth, Harreld the thinker - they show up for supper every day.

Elempi.......................Rowenna, age 22 ... former captive of outlaws; guest at EMH.

Folwren......Thornden, age 25........steward; former King's Guard. Check out post #8 (http://www.forums.barrowdowns.com./showpost.php?p=441428&postcount=8) for a more thorough intro.

Folwren......Javan, age 11.....younger brother of Thornden; helping Léofric the ostler.

Kath ..... Kara, age 18 ..... apprentice cook; if and when she proves herself adequate, she will replace Frodides.

Kath....Frodides, age 50-something.......senior cook; not ready to retire yet, teaching Kara all she knows.

Firefoot ..... Léofric, age 16 .... ostler. Check out post #13 (http://www.forums.barrowdowns.com./showpost.php?p=441622&postcount=13) for his background.

Taralphiel..... Lys ... poor and unwell boy looking for refuge.

Nogrod ...... Stigend, age unknown .... an Eorling journeyman carpenter, whose wife is Modtryth, and son, Cnebba

Thinlómien ..... Modtryth, age unknown .... an Eorling woman born to Eorling master and Dunlending slavewoman, wife of Stigend and mother of Cnebba

Nogrod & Thinlómien .... Cnebba, age 10 .... 'blended' child, son of Stigend and Modtryth

Lhunardawen ..... Ginna, age 23 .... only daughter of small lord & landholder in the Middle Emnet, named Randvér, placed under the care and safekeeping of Eodwine; serving wench.

Nerindel.......Æðelhild..... another teenage girl, apparently a runaway, currently apprenticing in the healing arts at Meduseld.

Characters carried by any writer by permission of their creator

Celuien......Garstan, age 35..... stoneshaper (mason); itinerant sort, looking for a place to use his craft

Celuien .... Garmund, age 9 .... Garstan's son

Celuien .... Lèoðern, age 5 .... Garstan's daughter

Currently Inactive Characters

Formendacil ...... Nain, age 53 ..... a Dwarvish sculptor from Erebor, and good will ambassador of Dain Ironhand to Rohan.

Mithalwen ....... Elfthain Theodmundsson, age 12 .... from Upbourn staying in Edoras with cousins.

Ealasaide........ Elián, fugitive smuggler, age __ ..... from Belfalas in Gondor.

Hama of the Riddermark ..... Hama, thain (general) of the West Emnet, recently escaped from captivity.

Feanor of the Peredhil....Saeryn of the Folde, age 18.....Hostess..... of the nobility, has run from home so as not to be married off by her older brother.

Feanor of the Peredhil..... Degas of the Folde, age 18..... Saeryn's belovèd twin; whereabouts currently unknown; a rather mysterious figure.

JennyHallu ..... Linduial .... guest, princess from Belfalas, spirited but not so wise; however, willing to learn.

JennyHallu.....Marenil .... steward to the household of Linduial's father, the girl's guardian.

Laiudanama .... Trystan, age 16 .... fugitive from some heinous crime that he may or may not be guilty of.

Undomé...... a whole cast of characters (http://www.forums.barrowdowns.com./showpost.php?p=461548&postcount=420)
who are freeholders a 2 days ride southwest from Edoras, within the bounds of the Middle Emnet.

Anguirel .... Manawyth of Dunland, early 30's .... hopeful employee, trying out for bard apparently, though willing to be a guard.

Alcarillo.......Gárwine son of Gárulf......man at arms; read post
#6 (http://www.forums.barrowdowns.com./showpost.php?p=441331&postcount=6) for more about him.

Esgallhugwin......Gudryn, age 15...........former waif on the run, has become Eodwine's foster-daughter.

Lalwendë......Larswic..... Freeholder and horsebreeder within the newly created Middle Emnet; an opportunistic individual, ready to make a profit through gaming and other unnamed means.

Lalwendë....Leocsley..... Larswic's sister son - cunning at bow and arrow.

Lalwendë..... Wultheof..... Larswic's son - ambitious, his goal to be as good as his father at everything he does.

Orual ..... a character to be named and described......

R.I.P.
(Characters who have passed on...)

Elempi.....................Lefun and Ritun, simple twins of indeterminate age (30s?), having one set of legs between them, often feared as two-headed monsters.

[Nerindel]

If there is some Hawthorn at hand Æòelhild may be able to help Marenil, perhaps Saeryn will recall her having mentioned that she had been required to help in the halls of healing during the war, but as she is outside at the moment and unaware of the events within I shall need for someone to fetch her.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Not a problem. Saeryn can send Kara to find her.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Feanor of the Peredhil..... Degas of the Folde..... Saeryn's belovèd twin; whereabouts currently unknown; a rather mysterious figure.

I add him to the list because he'll be returning, if not immediately, and I thought it unfair to spring someone from the Horse thread on all of our lovely new writers without warning.

Nerendil, is there any specific place that Saeryn should find Æoel?

[littlemanpoet]

I've added Degas to my comprehensive character post. Thanks for the reminder, Fea.

[Nerindel]

Nerendil, is there any specific place that Saeryn should find Æoel?

I have just put up a post I was working on changing the ending a little, Æoel is now walking towards Saeryn, I hope that works for you! ;)

[littlemanpoet]

I'd like to move the time along to supper time pretty soon. Some options in that regard are that we don't need to get into an overblown description of all the healer's doings, and can pick the story up with Marinel abed and weak but past the crisis.

Nerindel, what does Adhel intend to do? And is it Aðelhild, or Aòeldhild? I thought it was Aðelhild but is that wrong? The difference for those to whom this looks like Greek, is alt/0240 versus alt/0242. In terms of pronunciation, the first is Adh - as in 'that', and the second is virtually Aewelhild, only the 'w' is pronounced with the lips in the 'y' position. It might seem hard but Germans talk this way all the time. :p

Anyway! .... is there anything anybody wants their characters to wrap up before we move this to suppertime?

[JennyHallu]

It might seem hard but Germans talk this way all the time. :p

Are Germans prone to lip and tongue injuries? Gah! That's difficult! Please be the first one, I can say that! ;) :rolleyes:

And moving the time forward sounds great. We're stuck in a bit of a rut where we are, so go ahead!

[littlemanpoet]

Are Germans prone to lip and tongue injuries? Gah! That's difficult! Please be the first one, I can say that!Not really as difficult as it seems for English speakers. Just form your lips for kissing and then pronounce "ee" through the gap. :D

I'll wait for a few more responses before I move the time.

[Anguirel]

Before we move on, I'd better get Manawyth to start his performance proper. Sorry about my negligence up till now...

[Folwren]

I was going to write a post, but I think I'll wait until the time jump. Just wanted to say I was ready for it. :)

-- Folwren

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Time change works for me.

[Esgallhugwen]

LMP

Sounds great! :)

The "good young" Lord Eodwine is 40 years old


Forty isn't old if you're a tree!;)

[littlemanpoet]

Forty isn't old if you're a tree!Question for the day: Do I wish I was a tree? :eek: :D

[JennyHallu]

Question for the day: Do I wish I was a tree? :eek: :D

*Great surprise*

You AREN'T a tree??

Why didn't you TELL me?

[Nerindel]

Nerindel, what does Adhel intend to do?

Well quite simply she plans to administer a Hawthorn tonic, though I have given it it's gemanic name (Hagehorn) in my post. Hawthorn was an extremely valuable medicinal herb and was used widely in anglo-saxon medicine to treat a number of ailments, not least of all feelings of congestion and oppression in the hearth region :p Basically it is a Cardiotonic, that will increase the blood flow to the heart. It also goes by several names including Mayblossom, Whitethorn, Hagthorn and Ladies meat, but to name a few.

I know Bethberry tended Saeryns injury in the White Horse, but I don't know if she kept a store of medicinal supplies in the inn, that is why I left my post open, hoping either Saeryn or Eodwine would know the answer. She will need either a ready made tonic or the berries of the hawthorn bush itself, either fresh or dried which she will crush and add to water to make the tonic.

And is it Aðelhild, or Aòeldhild? I thought it was Aðelhild but is that wrong?

Yes it is Æðelhild. so no worries about anyone developing lip and tongue injuries trying to pronunce it! ;)

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I have no idea. I don't remember if Innkeeper Beth ever said where her stash was. :rolleyes:

[JennyHallu]

Yes it is Æðelhild. so no worries about anyone developing lip and tongue injuries trying to pronunce it!

Yay!

I'll have a post up later today...plan to actually (*gasp*) work for a little while before I start goofing off. Need some sort of after-the-adrenaline-rush reaction post from Lin.

[Bêthberry]

I have no idea. I don't remember if Innkeeper Beth ever said where her stash was.

:p

Bethberry left to ply her trade as healer in the far East and so she would have taken with her the various herbal remedies which she had prepared--at least those that would keep. She did leave some of her goods and herbs with Ruthven, to ease the old woman's infirmities. But it's not like Ruthven can run likkety-split to help on the spot. And she isn't a healer.

Women's folk medicine was an art learnt by apprenticeship. Maybe you'll just have to wing it? Or would Edoras have a midwife who could be called upon? Hmm. One Trotula, Dame Trot, the midwife, called upon because the barber-surgeon is out of town? ;)



Question for the day: Do I wish I was a tree?

I never thought to hear you in such a D.H. Lawrence mood. Lawrence of course one wrote: "I would like to be a tree for a while." :D

[Nerindel]

Bethberry left to ply her trade as healer in the far East and so she would have taken with her the various herbal remedies which she had prepared--at least those that would keep. She did leave some of her goods and herbs with Ruthven, to ease the old woman's infirmities. But it's not like Ruthven can run likkety-split to help on the spot. And she isn't a healer.


eek, :eek: then let us hope the healer comes presantly!!! then Æðelhild can fall naturally into the roll of aiding him ;)

Edit: oh ignore me lol very nicely done Jenny :)

[Folwren]

Oh, oh, oh! LMP, would you mind if I squeezed a post between here and your time jump? If you get around to writing the time jump before I put in my post, that's fine. . .

Also, wouldn't we have moved Jenny's older gentlemen to another room? Can I put that into my post as well?

-- Folwren

[JennyHallu]

I kind of assumed Marenil would not be moved until a healer from Meduseld said it was all right to move him...i.e. after the crisis is passed and he is sleeping naturally. Then, he would be put somewhere where he would not be disturbed, and Lin could be persuaded to leave him to rest.

[Folwren]

Hm. Perhaps so. I guess that makes sense. I'll work with it as such.

--Folwren

[littlemanpoet]

Sorry for not posting here or on the main thread last night; RL ... which will happen tonight too. :rolleyes: Anyway:

Nice work with the Hawthorn tonic, Nerindel!

I see that you've all decided the healer from Meduseld is not a medieval quack who goes on about the four humours and all that. (snicker)

I would have stated the same thing that Bethberry said.

Glad you squeezed a post in, Folwren.

Nice writing, Jenny! I like the development of Lin's and Marinel's history. Very visual.

Kath: What are you doing to my kitchen!?!? It's going to be a mess by the end of one month at this rate! (not unlike the rest of the place) :D

I'll try to get something written by the end of tonight. If you want to post in between now and then, feel free. Oh, and if you do, don't forget about our late-breakfast consuming hobbit, Falco Boffin! Surely he would have something to say about all this hubbub....

[Kath]

Kath: What are you doing to my kitchen!?!? It's going to be a mess by the end of one month at this rate! (not unlike the rest of the place)
Don't panic, I'm sure Frodides will have Kara clearing up before too long :rolleyes:

[JennyHallu]

lmp: you know that Marenil is not Lin's father, right? Something of a father figure, mayhap, but no relation.

[littlemanpoet]

lmp: you know that Marenil is not Lin's father, right? Something of a father figure, mayhap, but no relation.Yes. Did I err in writing something somewhere?

[Folwren]

Yes, Eodwine mentioned her and called her the daughter, or something. But it sounded more like an assumption. . .it could have been Eodwine's mess up, conceivably, and although you know the difference, he might not. But you'll want to straighten it out later with Lin or something. :)

-- Folwren

[littlemanpoet]

Oops. Thanks, I'll check it out and maybe fix, depending on what I think of Eodwine's state of mind. :p

EDIT: I've fixed it and left the mistake in such that Falco corrects him with appropriate "face saving" banter between the two.

[JennyHallu]

I'll get a post off tonight with Lin calming down after her stressful day...

Eventually Eodwine and Lin are going to have to sit down, maybe with Marenil tomorrow morning, and get straight what's going on with the two of them, since the original plans have necessarily changed.

[littlemanpoet]

I'm going to have some real fun with my next post, as soon as I can figure out what I want to do with this..... :D

Might as well store my information here as well as anywhere. Maybe you guys can benefit from it this way too. Not near enough here to go on, but it's a start.

Google search phrase: 'Medieval Dance'

Varieties of Medieval Dance

---taken from
here (http://www.freeflowdance.com/medievaldance.php?&width=1024)

Branles - circle or line dance formation

* Washerwoman’s Branle - a very easy dance that reflects the aspects of women in medieval life.
* Maltese Branle - a simple remake of a dance inspired by the Knights of Malta’s visit to the Middle East.
* Official Branle (also known as toss the duchess) - A fun circle dance that involves trading partners!
* Branle Charlotte - a more difficult circle dance that involves stepping and kicking to various changing beats.

Rounds

* Sellingers Round - a very catchy and lively circle dance done in the verse and chorus style of dancing.

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Dance Styles - - taken from here (http://cunnan.sca.org.au/wiki/Dance)

* Basse Dance
* Bassa Danza
* Ballo
* Pavanne
* Galliard/Tourdion
* Measure
* Allemande
* Branle
* Country Dance

Courtly Dances

* Black Alman - a sedate processional dance that would have been done in entrance to many courts. 17th century.
* Black Nag - a livelier dance for three couples that employs the verse and chorus style of country-dance. Playford 1670.
* Rufty Tufty - a two couple dance with many turns in it. Would have been done in ballrooms where the sets of people would interconnect. Playford 1651.

Other dances

* Salterello - a hopping and aerobic dance reconstructed as best as we can from lithographs and sketches. Music 1400, Dance early 15th century or earlier?
* Prince William - a very complicated country style dance that involves a double mirror hay (figure 8 in mirror formation changing lines) English Country 1731.

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Easy Steps (http://www.shoshone.k12.id.us/medieval/dance.htm#TypesofDance)(not true medieval but you take what you can get):

A single takes 2 beats, and is one step forward and a second step to bring the feet together.

A double is three steps forward and a fourth step to bring the feet together.

A slipping circle is done in a circle with the dancers all facing inwards and holding hands: the dancers step sideways to the left or the right without turning their hips.

A sashay involves a couple facing each other holding both hands, and moving sideways with a step identical to that used in a slipping circle.

When arming, the dancing couple grips each other's elbows with one hand, and uses two doubles to walk in a circle. Arming always appears in pairs; we adopt the convention of calling for arming left and then right.

When siding, the dancing couple advances with a double until they are next to each other with their shoulders parallel, and then use a double to return to place.

The set and turn single step involves a single to one side, a single to return to place, and then a turn in place using a double.

[littlemanpoet]

Folwren and I have been talking about the Steward role at the Mead hall. So I'm posting this here to keep everybody abreast of what I'm thinking.....

'Steward' and 'bailliff' are Anglo to Norman cognates (means the words are directly related from one language to the other) BUT ----> they don't mean the same thing.

A steward is second in command to a king or lord, and has a much higher position than the bailliff has, which is a more limited and legal role.

I've been meaning to split the job of Steward of the Eorling Mead Hall in two. The two jobs would be "steward" and "almbudsman". The almbudsman is a gatherer of fees and fines, and an enforcer of the law - actually much closer to what a bailliff does.

And now we have Marinel, Jenny Hallu's second character, who can slide right into the position (after a while). So what Folwren and I have agreed to is that Thornden will, at the end of one month's trial period, say that the job of steward is not the best fit for him, for whatever reasons Folwren decides to give Thornden. Eodwine will agree to Thornden's request to be almbudsman. Sound good?

[littlemanpoet]

Nice post, Anguirel. :) (#90)

I'm wondering if it's in the right spot? I'd like to find some place for it between, say, post 65 and - oh..... - say 75. But I can't figure out the best spot for it.

Then there's the difficulty of needing to go back and edit our posts in order to create the appropriate responses to the song..... *LMP scratches head* Any suggestions?

[Anguirel]

Ah, LMP, I've reached an island of sanity, serenity, and running so smooth it makes you drift into a pleasant half-slumber accentuated by a faint aroma of mango and a feeling of lychee juice being trickled, drop by drop, into the mouth.

Ahem. Anyway. I think it's perhaps alright where it is. I do have the hours getting darker as Manawyth strums and ponders.

I hope no-one minds the rip-off. I just love that ballad, it's beautiful and if I hadn't cried over it at night countless times as a child, I'd undoubtedly be doing so now. Sir Patrick Spens, unfortunate sea-captain, you made me who I am...

Manawyth seems to be Scottish as well as Welsh. That's life I suppose...

[Firefoot]

If Ang's post is to be left where it is, could I have a post inserted above it? I had started a post earlier (it should be done this evening sometime), and was hoping to enter Leof during the time of merriment...

[Firefoot]

Actually, scratch that. I can make it fit in afterwards.

I can see where both LMP and Ang are coming from. In the midst of the impromptu "party" the dark song does not seem to fit, but given Manawyth's character, it could work.

Anyhow, I've written my post assuming that it will stay as it is. I can just as easily change it if it is moved back up earlier in the day. I do think that it would be extremely difficult to change Leof's and Garwine's conversation about Manawyth in the middle of said posts (64-75), though.

[littlemanpoet]

We can leave it where it is. Anguirel, you actually refer to darkness perhaps a bit early, for supper time (in my thinking) is right around six hours past noon, and darkness does not arrive in early spring (in the relatively Gallic climes of Rohan) until more than seven hours past noon.

Anyway, we can dovetail the solemnity of Manawyth's ballad with Saeryn's sudden pain and her halfhearted offer to dance with Falco.

I still have to read Firefoot's latest post, so this post doesn't account for what she's written.

Just want to add: great writing all around. This is my favorite haunt on the Barrowdowns. :)

[JennyHallu]

Sorry, lmp, I was confused about suppertime too...In the American South, where I'm living, suppertime occurs around 8-9...they eat late down here. In the American Midwest, where I grew up, we don't have supper at all...the last meal of the day is always referred to as dinner. ;)

[littlemanpoet]

Maybe my East Coast origin is raising its head with "supper". :p

8 to 9? Eegads, that's late!

But more accurate if we're dealing with an agrarian culture; the last meal wouldn't be served up until after the work day was done, which would be at sundown. Consider it so in Edoras, instead of my *ahem* American middle class instincts. :p

[Anguirel]

Funny, LMP; I always thought you were Dutch?

Anyway, um, 8 to 9 sounds fine, and things seem to be going extremely well. To be honest I was a bit in despair about catching up with Manawyth, but when I started writing-as so often-it came easily...

[littlemanpoet]

Funny, LMP; I always thought you were Dutch?:rolleyes: My fault. My grandparents would be so happy. Part of the American thing, that. All four of my grandparents came over from the Netherlands close to the turn of the 20th century. I'm Dutch-American, born in Brooklyn, NY, USA. (1 216th Huguenot (sp?) too)

[littlemanpoet]

ROTFL! Good one, Jenny! :D

A lusty faux pax, or however you spell it. I'll be interested in Saeryn's reaction to that!

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Then go see it! An imitation of Saucie's infamous reactions if ever there was one.

"Me? Married? WHAT!?!?"

[JennyHallu]

Yeah, yeah, like I'll buy that...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Ah, a perceptive one. Saeryn? Having a sweetheart before she took off? What? ;)

[JennyHallu]

Oh my, a secret lover...my dear Fea, Lin may be perceptive, but she is of course not so rude as to say anything. Besides, she's got her own thoughts to figure out.

They simply must be friends! They have too much in common not to.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Well of course. Aww, poor Saeryn won't even know what to do. Most likely confide in Eodwine about how different it is to confide in Lin. :)

[Folwren]

Then go see it! An imitation of Saucie's infamous reactions if ever there was one.

"Me? Married? WHAT!?!?"

I thought Saucy was married.

-- Folwren

[littlemanpoet]

Hmmmmm...... ..... are you sure you want to go there with Saeryn, Fea?

Did they 'roll in the hay', as it were? If so, did the loverboy keep his mouth shut? Was he of lower caste, or the same? It makes a big difference. This is not, obviously, the 21st century, and Rohirric (and Gondorian) folk had drastically different sensibilities about such things. For example, if Saeryn rolled in the hay with a peasant boy, this would be reason enough for her tyrannically unreasonable brother who is lord to get her married off as quick as possible, especially in an age with a dirth of contraception. Or if he was of the Rohirric nobility, then his rolling in the hay has the clear purpose of getting Saeryn pregnant as the first step toward marriage. In the middle ages, young folk "rolled" first, waited to see if she got pregnant, then if she did, they were considered married as of the day of "rolling", and they had the formality later. If Saeryn has run away from a marriage that her brother was forcing on her on these grounds, then Eodwine is suddenly in a rather compromised position as he who will speak for Saeryn. You see, if Saeryn has "rolled" and has withheld this information while accepting Eodwine's oath (not rejecting is tantamount to accepting, by the way), she has presumed too much upon his mercy. Beside all that, if she has rolled, Saeryn, knowing all these things as one who grew up in the middle of this culture, her 'devilish grin' is very much out of character considering how you've described her so far. Or, it is in character and she is not what she has played herself to be.

On the other hand....... if she has not "rolled in the hay" but merely romanced with this young man, then things are only a little embarrassing and the brother lord is still in the wrong, and if he knew, he's overreacting.

Which is it?

[JennyHallu]

Can we start a Barrow-Downs Dictionary, and add this new definition of "rolled"? It's quite delightful...

[Folwren]

It's not delightful. At all.

I was curious, though, and am awfully too lazy to go and see in the old Inn - why is Saeryn so sore? Did she break a rib falling out of a loft? I doubt that's the case. . .

And I am going to try to write a post before I leave today. This week is a little different and I'll be here Thursday and Friday, instead of Tuesday and Wednesday. . .but after this week, my schedule will be back to normal.

-- Folwren

[littlemanpoet]

It's not delightful. At all.And frankly, a more likely term, being rooted in Anglo-Saxon times, would be "genokt" (as in ..... well, guess), but that's the last I'm going there.

I was curious, though, and am awfully too lazy to go and see in the old Inn - why is Saeryn so sore? Did she break a rib falling out of a loft? I doubt that's the case. . .She fell off a horse back in the days of the Inn. It had been raining and the horse slipped. Saeryn's a good rider. Just one of those things.

[JennyHallu]

I don't mean delightful as in the connotations and implications are necessarily delightful, I just enjoy the twisting and stretching of words to new meanings, and how they got there. Besides, I have to be flippant...Lin takes herself so seriously I desperately need to be flippant after writing from her perspective.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

No rolling at all. Saeryn's too much a good girl. Just a few stolen kisses in the stables. Her jerk of a brother found out, over-reacted, sent the offending lower-caste member away and he managed to die... or just disappear from her life. It really doesn't matter which; he's gone. Devilish grin pertaining to the remembrance of those stolen kisses, feelings of guilt due to the fact that the guy was sent away because of it.

And Folwren, Saucie is married and with kids, no less. In the "How Do You Imagine Other BDers" thread, someone described him inaccurately and, according to him, he spewed coffee, he was laughing that hard. :)

Edit: I edited the post a bit to salvage my lass's reputation. I went back and reread it, wondering just what it was that had come across in my writing. It wasn't supposed to sound nearly that risquè. Saeryn may be a runaway and she's sometimes spontaneous to a fault, but she's still a lady. It's what I get, of course, for posting when I'm exhausted.

[littlemanpoet]

No rolling at all.

I edited the post a bit to salvage my lass's reputation. I went back and reread it, wondering just what it was that had come across in my writing. It wasn't supposed to sound nearly that risquè. Saeryn may be a runaway and she's sometimes spontaneous to a fault, but she's still a lady. It's what I get, of course, for posting when I'm exhausted.
Thanks for clearing that up, Fea. :)

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

No problemo. Had to clear it up before anyone who knows she's based directly on me (with a few extra touches) started thinking. :eek:

[littlemanpoet]

... she's based directly on me (with a few extra touches) ... Really now? Hmmm.... Eodwine's based directly on me ('with a few extra touches'). But isn't that the way a lot of rpg-ing goes (not all but a lot)?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

But isn't that the way a lot of rpg-ing goes (not all but a lot)?
Mhm. Unless I'm wrong. But I'm never wrong. :p

[JennyHallu]

The rest of it is usually based on how you wish you were...

[littlemanpoet]

The rest of it is usually based on how you wish you were...Ah, that would be the part about Eodwine being tall and handsome and never at a loss for words. :p

[JennyHallu]

hehehe...Lin is tall and slender, rich, and capable of subtlety.

[Anguirel]

I think Manawyth is more similar to my Werewolf persona than to me...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Saeryn's about two inches taller than me. I'm pretty sure that's the biggest difference. :D

[JennyHallu]

Roleplaying is, I have long held, the ultimate escapism. You can be anyone you want to be, appear any way you want to, and you deal with people who accept that without question.

Only problem with this view is that it sounds awful articulated. I'm going to have to come up with a better way to phrase it.

[Firefoot]

Leof isn't a girl. :D

[littlemanpoet]

I'm considering ending the current Day soon (say, after everybody gets to do {at least} one more post), and then moving the Time forward one week. Is there anything anybody wants to have happen before I do that? If so, what (in general), and how long Real Time do you need me to delay?

I'll be posting for my set of four characters at least once more before the day's out. After all, Linduial still needs to have a chat with Eodwine .... which could be created via PM, if you're interested, Jenny..... (seems to work amazingly well for good dialogue, etc.).

[JennyHallu]

I'm all for it...I used to use AIM to do that, actually, so I understand the value.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I'm going to put up a Saeryn post soon (this could be geologically speaking, but I'm going to aim for real-time soon). After that I'm good.

[Anguirel]

Does anyone want to talk to Manawyth, or shall I just keep him in dark Byronic observer mode?

[littlemanpoet]

I'm all for it...I used to use AIM to do that, actually, so I understand the value.
Okay, we'll play it by ear as far as when to start the dialogue. Sound good?

[JennyHallu]

I'd like to see what Fea puts together and segue from there, if that makes sense. And I'm not sure yet whether you or I should initiate the discussion.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Nevermind a post from me. It's unneeded.

[Nerindel]

I also need to post a reply to leof, I had hoped to finish the post tonight but alas it is not to be but I should get it up sometime tomorrow morning (GMT).

[Firefoot]

And I would like to get in a post after that. I should have time sometime tomorrow.

[JennyHallu]

LMP, go ahead and let's get a post together...If Saeryn has no more to say, I think the best way to initiate our discussion might be for Eodwine to come looking for me or Saeryn, since we're in the hall.

[littlemanpoet]

Sorry, I've been way too busy today. I'll have to start the PM and subsequent post tomorrow. Anybody enjoying the Gob and Twiddle story, or was that asking too much?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I'm a fan.

[Folwren]

Does anyone want to talk to Manawyth, or shall I just keep him in dark Byronic observer mode?

I'll talk to him!! I was just about to post to say I had nothing to say at the Mead Hall, but now I have some to write. What fun.

Originally posted by LmP:
Sorry, I've been way too busy today. I'll have to start the PM and subsequent post tomorrow. Anybody enjoying the Gob and Twiddle story, or was that asking too much?

Oh, I'm game. But let me talk to Manawyth first. :D

-- Folwren

[Esgallhugwen]

Hello strange people *starts squinting at everyone*, and hello new strange people. I'd just like to clarify that Gudryn is maturing (for the time being) into a somewhat crazy person, I mean come on she hears voices in her head for crying out loud! And I assure you it's through no fault of Eodwine or anyone else aside from Rand*.

I'm also thinking I might like to develope her into a person with somewhat 'special' abilities. Not to extremes like mind reading or telekinesis, but she definetly feels things differently then other people. What do you think? Do you think it's too much? Keep in mind I'm not trying to make her invincible or super human, she's merely different, more sensitive and attune to things that other people would basically ignore. Your thoughts are appreciated.


And I totally agree with our RP characters being based on ourselves. All of mine are, different facets of me some not so pleasant *coughEswencough*.:o


*: Rand was Gudryn's evil Uncle/step father that did horrible things to her. Basically beat on her and nearly killed her several times.

[littlemanpoet]

Let's see how this goes, Esgal, and be sure that you can trust me to use a gentle approach to any mild limitations I can suggest. There were wise women among all Germanic peoples (after whom the Rohirrim are fashioned), and these ran the gamut from madwomen to midwives with the earthy wisdom of their trade. So let's see where it leads.

[Esgallhugwen]

I'll be sure not to go absolutely crazy with this idea. And I'm hoping Gudryn won't become too mad and start throwing things at people while screaming gibberish at them. And I'll pay very close attention to any limitations that you set.

This will be a gradual thing I'm not planning on this happening over night. Goodness, I hope Eodwine doesn't become too concerned, but we'll see when the time comes. I just think it will be an interesting idea for a character, I'm not sure if any one here has done it before.

[littlemanpoet]

I'll wait about 24 hours before moving Time to another Day, which will be about a Week from the end of this Day. If you want to post anymore for this day, please do so in the interim, or raise a remonstration requesting more time. If I receive none, we shall move on.

[littlemanpoet]

I have moved Time ahead one whole week.

There is no roof over the Great Hall and the Great Hearth has been dismantled.

The temporary tent is in operation and everything's a general wet mess.

Any questions?

It'll be interesting to see how long we stay on this Day. :p

[Bêthberry]

At least it was warm for the season. The new year had come with the first day of spring, marked now on March 25 to honor Frodo the Nine-fingered. It was now the first of April. Eodwine smirked, wondering what shananigans might not happen on such a day amongst such a young and lively folk as dwelt in his Halls.


Hmmm. Does the tradition of April 1st go back so far as to be relevant to Anglo Saxon society. I thought it was more a late 15th European development. Or is this one of those acceptable historical anachronisms that make rpgs so much fun?

[littlemanpoet]

Hmmm. Does the tradition of April 1st go back so far as to be relevant to Anglo Saxon society. I thought it was more a late 15th European development. Or is this one of those acceptable historical anachronisms that make rpgs so much fun?
Mostly the latter. Is the evidence for late 15th century strong?

[Bêthberry]

Mostly the latter. Is the evidence for late 15th century strong?

Well, you know what is said about history being written by the victors. 'Course, the victors in this case are the comedians. The Romans did have their Festival of Hilaria a week after the equinox. And the French have their fish called April. It would appear that the skewered isle didn't get round to hunting the gowk until a bit later than the channel types. Then again, the Anglo Saxons ultimately weren't the victors.

You've dove-tailed the calendar bit nicely with the new dating system commemorating Frodo the Nine Fingered. Would a Hilariowen be that much of a stretch?

[littlemanpoet]

Well, you know what is said about history being written by the victors. 'Course, the victors in this case are the comedians. The Romans did have their Festival of Hilaria a week after the equinox. And the French have their fish called April. It would appear that the skewered isle didn't get round to hunting the gowk until a bit later than the channel types. Then again, the Anglo Saxons ultimately weren't the victors.

You've dove-tailed the calendar bit nicely with the new dating system commemorating Frodo the Nine Fingered. Would a Hilariowen be that much of a stretch?
Fair enough. The rpg'ers are encouraged to make as much or little of both the March 25 and April 1 dates as provided by Eodwine. My sense is that there's plenty onthe table already, and they could be ignored as easily as observed. Carry on, players!

[JennyHallu]

I will try really hard to get a post up tonight sometime...duty calls. :rolleyes:

[littlemanpoet]

Just a note about the roofless hall: the builders and Eodwine had more sense than this writer: the roofless hall is covered by a tarp also, to protect the interior; but it is a work 'zone' (italics for anakronisms) :p, so only the builders, Eodwine, and Thornden have permission to be in there. Consider this to have been explained to all those who currently reside in the Hall. Thanks! Nice to see you back, Bethberry! Nice writing for the stables, Folwren.

[JennyHallu]

I'm afraid it's likely to prove necessary to kill off poor Marenil's wife at home, if I'm to keep him here. He's a difficult man to keep abed, and he'll be wanting to go home, whether the healer allows or no.

My current thought is in the next few days he receives a letter from home (that has obviously been following them a long time) relating the sad news, but far too late for him to attend any funeral services. His son is grown and capable of taking over his duties, and Marenil could then much more easily be convinced to stay with Linduial, who he loves like a daughter. I could torment the man still more by inventing a daughter who died in childhood (whose empty place Lin has filled quite nicely). Ideas or criticism would be lovely.

I really need to come up with something really really good to happen to Marenil as well. Working him into the Hall as a permanent fixture is giving me a guilt complex. My fault for writing characters I really like.

[littlemanpoet]

Sounds okay to me, short of the lost daughter. That feels to me like it approaches bathos, if you know what I mean. (shrug) Of course, you could include such a thing but make Marenil not quite so emotionally expressive; stiff upper lip and all that, if you take my meaning; shrug it off as a thing of the past, blithely deny any real concerns, etc. But he's your character. Just suggestions. Sometimes, the best thing we can do for a character is avoid the temptation to do the very first thing that comes into our head, and wait for that secret second thing which is actually better if we give ourselves half a chance.

[JennyHallu]

Sometimes the best thing is to realize the first idea you threw out immediately as ridiculous is exactly what you ought to do...but you're right about the daughter idea. It was an overly hasty. He can have fatherly feelings toward Lin without cheapening the feelings he would certainly had for any child of his own.

He's not likely to go in search of some formal responsibility until after he gets such a letter, (which may not happen for a couple of days, I haven't decided), when he needs something to keep his mind off things. I'd like to get him established before then as a behind-the-scenes helper, fetching and carrying for Frodides and Kara, aiding Leof in exercising horses, (enough recent arrivals, and Leof young enough, he may welcome some assistance in getting chores done early, especially as the weather gets beautiful, with so many other young people in the Hall), hanging clothes to dry alongside Aethel, perhaps drinking with Garwine and/or Manawyth (it would interest him, as a challenge, to help them get along together, but he is neither a bard nor an armsman, though he respects both professions profoundly).

Of course, I'm not sure if he can or would do all of these things, but if there is a informal plan to move him into the steward's role within the next three weeks game time, his ability needs to be wide in scope and firmly established, so as to give Eodwine the idea. The hall should be a more comfortable berth for him as he ages: plenty to keep him interested, but with young Thornden to train up into the role (and incidentally to help as tasks become more and more difficult with passing years).

Anyway...this is merely long string-of-consciousness ideas. If anyone has any ideas on how to get him involved in the day-to-day life of the Hall, post them or PM me, especially if you're interested in working up a post about it.

[littlemanpoet]

Sounds good, Jenny. Let's have Marinel do one thing at a time, of course, and I'll also create swarmy little issues that arise around Eodwine that he wants some wisdom about. Marinel will come in handy to him that way too, especially as Thornden's advice will (need to, Folwren) seem somewhat young mannish.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Jen, would you like a little "girl time" between Lin and Saeryn? Saeryn's having a nice cozy time in her room and isn't opposed to guests. It would give Leof a way to see a lighter-hearted side of her (perhaps hear giggling on the other side of the door). The same welcome extends to Gudryn, of course. I'd invite the guys, but it's slightly less proper for them to be alone behind closed doors with m'lady.

[JennyHallu]

Sounds like fun. Maybe I'll pop in with a question or something while Leof is hanging my things. OH! I know...Ok, sounds good.

[Anguirel]

I'm going to be off the scene for a while in a few days in Italy...I wondered, could Manawyth be sent off on a task of some kind? Or I could have him return home for a while, against the price on his head, hearing of some family saga...oops, another brother dead, that kind of thing...

Yes, might do that...

[Folwren]

Sounds good, Jenny. Let's have Marinel do one thing at a time, of course, and I'll also create swarmy little issues that arise around Eodwine that he wants some wisdom about. Marinel will come in handy to him that way too, especially as Thornden's advice will (need to, Folwren) seem somewhat young mannish.

Erm. . .Say again? I'm a bit confused as to what I need to do exactly. You want Thornden's advise to not be so safe, maybe? Those first few 'advise posts' that I threw out were still with the thought in my head that I had to earn the stewardship. Perhaps now I can slacken off a bit on his saintliness. :rolleyes: Is that what you mean?

-- Folwren

[JennyHallu]

I think what he means is that occasionally Thornden's advice will reflect his youth rather clearly. Idealistic, perhaps, or overly harsh, where Marenil's experience and age will have given him a clearer view.

[littlemanpoet]

Anguirel: So did you ask the werewolves to kill you in XIX? ;)

Folwren and Jenny: Yes, Jenny has it right what I'm suggesting. Are you okay with that, Folwren? (yike, I almost nicknamed you 'Folly' :p ).

[Firefoot]

To let you all know: I'm going to be out of town for six days from Friday till Wednesday. I'm not thinking that this will have too much of an impact - I can pick up with Leof coming to help with the wall hangings when I get back.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Hm... in the footsteps of Firefoot, I'll be either extremely busy or out of town from Wednesday night until Sunday night. Jen, if Lin responds, this is why Saeryn doesn't.

[JennyHallu]

I'll try to get a response up, so that you can either get one before you leave, or have something extra to think about while you're gone. I'll probably edit it in to my last post (with Marenil)

[Bêthberry]

Okay, it's way past time when Ruthven should have replied. Sorry, but the weekend was just too busy to put together a post and this week has some nasty RL work breathing down my neck worse than a werewolf salivating over a kill. I have to plead away status at least until next week. Just ignore Ruthven in the kitchen. Maybe I'll later be able to come up with some sort of old crone chatting with the cook that would do Patchett proud. or maybe not. Darn I hate RL responsibilties--they make quests and adventures look pretty darn good. ;)

[Folwren]

Folwren and Jenny: Yes, Jenny has it right what I'm suggesting. Are you okay with that, Folwren? (yike, I almost nicknamed you 'Folly' :p ).

Yeah. . .that should be fine. I don't exactly know how young Thornden is, though. What impression have you got?

And I'd be just fine with Folly if it wasn't a real word and if it didn't mean stupidity and brainlessness. . .I mean, Folly is cute, if you pronounce the 'Fol' part like 'foal', as in, a baby horse. And it follows, too. Folwren is pronounced foal - wren, and so Folly, should be. . .right. Anyway. So you know, I have had time to think on this. Fordim called me that, Folly, and I was just fine until I realized that Folly is folly and folly is not good, necessarily.

Ouch. That was too long.

Yes, what you have for Thornden is fine, though it seems a little hard on the poor chap for Eodwine to say 'Sorry, dear fellow, but you're a mite to young still for the job.' How demening. Maybe there's another way, too, that will make him realize that he doesn't want the stewardship?

-- Folwren

[JennyHallu]

Hey Folwren,

Several points:

Spell it Foley or Folie. Then it isn't Folly and it implies the desired pronunciation.

The impression I have gotten of Thornden is that he is in his early to mid twenties.

The problem with fitting Marenil in here is that there must be a point where all parties involved understand that he's the best man for the job, with no hard feelings. So Thornden needs to have come to much the same conclusions on his own.

Eodwine can also determine that he'd rather have a more experienced man in that position without ever saying anything to that effect to Thornden. Eodwine's own inexperience in his new role as Lord might perhaps make him value Marenil's sage advice. And I kind of assumed that Eodwine comes to a realization that he'd like a more experienced man in the role at the same time as Thornden comes slowly to the realization that he's facing problems he doesn't know how to deal with, or so many that he can't give each the attention it deserves. Maybe in a crisis he might go himself to Marenil for advice. Marenil would be quick to help, and that might aid in a private realization on Thornden's part that he isn't ready to serve as steward. Does that make sense?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I've seen Thornden as early thirties.

[Folwren]

Thanks Jenny! I'll consider those nick name suggestions.

Originally posted by Jenny:
The problem with fitting Marenil in here is that there must be a point where all parties involved understand that he's the best man for the job, with no hard feelings. So Thornden needs to have come to much the same conclusions on his own.

Not only do we all have to come to that conclusion, but it has to be done by the end of the thirty days. I've a feeling that all in all, Thornden isn't going to be easily offended or hurt, but it would be a hard thing to hear that you weren't fit for a job unless you already knew it yourself. So, yes, it is necessary for them all to come to see that themselves.

By Jenny again. :):
Eodwine can also determine that he'd rather have a more experienced man in that position without ever saying anything to that effect to Thornden. Eodwine's own inexperience in his new role as Lord might perhaps make him value Marenil's sage advice. And I kind of assumed that Eodwine comes to a realization that he'd like a more experienced man in the role at the same time as Thornden comes slowly to the realization that he's facing problems he doesn't know how to deal with, or so many that he can't give each the attention it deserves. Maybe in a crisis he might go himself to Marenil for advice. Marenil would be quick to help, and that might aid in a private realization on Thornden's part that he isn't ready to serve as steward. Does that make sense?

That makes sense. But in order for all this to happen, we need a crisis of some sort to come up. I can't think of anything off the top of my head, but I'll keep thinking, though, really, I'm a bad person to try to think of something myself, I think, being even younger and more inexperienced than Thornden himself. :)

As for his age. Jenny thought he was somewhere around 24, and Fea. . .early thirties. Having written the first few posts for him, I was thinking about 29 or 30. . .but if he should be younger, like 25 or 26, that'll be fine, too.
Anyone else want to offer their impression of Thornden's age?

-- Folwren

[JennyHallu]

See, I figured that if he were in his early twenties, and not yet mature enough for a steward's role, that still shows remarkable maturity.

And if he were in his early thirties, and not yet mature enough for a steward's role, then he seems a little immature, really, especially considering he doesn't have the long Numenorean life that Marenil likely has enjoyed (if not to the same degree as Linduial will).

[Folwren]

Ah. That makes sense. I must say, Jenny, you've got brains. After that first WW game of yours, and you being an innocent after all, I had my doubts. ;) But you've put those away quite efficiently.

So, early 20's? 25 mayhap? LmP, does that sound alright to you? Because if that were the case. . .then, yeah, I can see why he would be considered still too young for that roll.

-- Folwren

[JennyHallu]

Well that's mostly a compliment :)

Go check over the last two WWJ games. I've gotten much better.

But...back on topic...

I...um...really don't have anything on topic to say, except that I am having SO much fun with this!

[Firefoot]

I saw him as in the mid-thirties, but Jenny's reasoning makes sense.

I would not make him younger than 25, though, because he would have had to be old enough for the job in the first place, and any younger than that he likely wouldn't have had enough experience in the first place. 25-30 range should be fairly safe.

[Folwren]

Everyone!

Eodwine has asked Thornden if we should gather everyone and do a bit of 'Gob and Twiddle'. Shall I take it on and have everyone (who wants) come and we do a bit of story telling? I'm all for it, seeing as it's a dreary day otherwise with absolutely nothing to do.

LmP: Where should we all gather to? You said that the Great Hall was a work zone and that only you, I, and the workers or whatnot are allowed in it. Where then shall we go?

Let me know sometime so I can get a post up today.

-- Folwren

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Keep Saeryn out unless she's quietly listening in a corner. I won't be around to contribute, so she's most convenient to me if placed out of the action.

[JennyHallu]

The kitchen might be the best place for such a meeting. Frodides and Kara will be busy anyway, and could not otherwise participate, since they must prepare meals for so many. That way the daily work of the inn is not interrupted. Also, the kitchen is likely to be large, warm, smell good, and is probably the only semi-public room open right now.

[Nerindel]

hmm I'm confused, wasn't there talk of a tent being erected out in the courtyard of the inn that would serve as common room while the hall was under refurbishment? is this not where Eodwine is now?

[Folwren]

Hm. . .I'm not sure. We'll have to ask LmP.

But I've put up a post. If it ends up that we have someplace to go other than the kitchen, than I can edit it a little later on today, after someone who knows what their talking about answers the question of were we're gathering.

Thornden's gone and told Leof and Garwine that we're telling it, and Eodwine is going off to gather the others.

-- Folwren

[littlemanpoet]

Sorry for being so scarce lately. Werewolf. :rolleyes:

Spell it Foley or Folie.I was thinking "Foly".

The impression I have gotten of Thornden is that he is in his early to mid twenties. Me too. That implies being a seasoned veteran of perhaps 3 to 6 years in the Eored, but still young enough to have the world ahead of him. People started their adult life earlier in cultures like Rohan. So you're a man at age 14 or 15, taking full share in the responsibilities of the family farm, and at age 16 to 18 you're a foot soldier. If you're family's wealthy enough to have a horse, then you can be part of the Eored by perhaps age 18. Women were considered adult by age 14. So for Thornden to be any more than 25 would be too old, based on the reasoning Jenny already provided in terms of being in his 30s.

The problem with fitting Marenil in here is that there must be a point where all parties involved understand that he's the best man for the job, with no hard feelings. So Thornden needs to have come to much the same conclusions on his own. This thread needs some excitement. You're all writing like you're trying to come up with something for your character to do. I am too. I know what'll get your character doing something: Conflict. It'll make your character more interesting to you and others, and will help you learn more about your character than you knew was there to learn. So let's have Thornden and Marinel not get along too swimmingly, at the very least. Thornden, being a natural young Eorlinga, who is trying to prove himself a good steward, is going to have a little bit of a hard time accepting the ease with which Marinel does the best thing. Work it up before resolving it. Let's have a good row! (just kidding on that last part) :p

I'll come up with a crisis. I have a few notions along those lines already.... ;)

Where should we all gather to? You said that the Great Hall was a work zone and that only you, I, and the workers or whatnot are allowed in it. Where then shall we go?Where Eodwine, Falco, and Thornden are now, in the makeshift Mead hall under the tent-roof just outside the original mead hall.

Meeting in the kitchen would make for a crowded kitchen. Frodides would not be pleased. The temperature's warm nice enough to be outside while daylight lasts.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Conflict? I like conflict. I was waiting a little on bringing Degas back, as you know Elempi, but if you're going to inflict the specific conflict that we've discussed, he'll need to come back sooner.

That means I actually have to come up with a reason for both his disappearance and sudden return.

I'm extremely open to suggestions.

[JennyHallu]

After your description, Lin is very interested in meeting Degas...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

After your description, Lin is very interested in meeting Degas...
It happens. :cool:

[Anguirel]

No family saga after all, incidentally. Manawyth fades offstage gracefully until I'm back in action. Have fun!

[Folwren]

Well. . .I guess conflict is all very well and good. . .so long as no one gets hurt and Thornden isn't too terribly put out.

-- Folwren

[littlemanpoet]

if you're going to inflict the specific conflict that we've discussed....No, not yet. Maybe not ever.

Well. . .I guess conflict is all very well and good. . .so long as no one gets hurt and Thornden isn't too terribly put out.No one gets hurt? Well, it depends on what kind of hurt you mean. A sore thumb from carpentry? A stubbed toe? Bruised feelings? A headache? A hangover? Bruised ego? It's all fair game.

[Folwren]

No one gets hurt? Well, it depends on what kind of hurt you mean. A sore thumb from carpentry? A stubbed toe? Bruised feelings? A headache? A hangover? Bruised ego? It's all fair game.

Blah. :p

I don't think anyone's going to be hurt physically. I'm more worried about feelings being hurt. And that sounds really dumb, I know, but it is rather hard. Isn't there some nice way to absolve this problem of Thornden not being old enough for the job than making him feel snubbed and wounded? I mean, seriously. . .but if not, that's fine.

Anyhow, yeah, conflict will be fun. Go ahead. . .

What about Gob and Twiddle, though?

-- Folwren

[littlemanpoet]

What about Gob and Twiddle, though?I've finally extricated myself (I should think!) from Werewolf XIX and will be free again to completely absorb myself in the Mead Hall. Sorry for my distractedness. :rolleyes:

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

No, not yet. Maybe not ever.
*nods understandingly*

But what will I do with Degas?

[Folwren]

But what will I do with Degas?

Have him get. . .wounded. . .and dragged back by his horse. That'll be original. :rolleyes:

Actually, I don't rightly know what drove him away, but maybe he'll get worried about his sister, or maybe he'll hear some false rumor about her that brings him back. Maybe. As Sam puts it, "You never know."

-- Folwren

[JennyHallu]

Or he just wanders in as carefree as he wandered out. He doesn't sound from Saeryn's description like to take responsibility very seriously yet in his life, and it may not have occurred to him that his sister might worry for him. Then you could have fun hammering that in to his little male brain. (sorry, guys...couldn't resist the jab)

[littlemanpoet]

maybe he'll hear some false rumor about her that brings him back. Maybe. As Sam puts it, "You never know."Have some loose-tongued gossips spread noise about Saeryn getting engaged to be married to the new Lord of the Middle Emnet. :D That'd be a hoot. :p

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Haha. I just wrote his return and he mentioned her being wed, but not quite like that. In such the brotherly fashion, he can't help but tease her.

[JennyHallu]

I wonder if we could get Ruthven and Frodides to act as catalysts for that particular rumor?

[littlemanpoet]

I wonder if we could get Ruthven and Frodides to act as catalysts for that particular rumor?
Ruthven's up to Bethberry, of course, but Frodides is anybody's to use as fits this nondescript cook character while she lasts.

[JennyHallu]

Hehehe...Degas with a D for Delightful!

This is going to be lots and lots of fun.



P.S. Where is everybody, anyway? 'Cept for Ang...he's on my black list for not taking me along ;)

[Folwren]

My word! Those last couple posts in the inn were hilarious! If my throat didn't hurt to laugh, I would still be cracking up. . .I am in my head, but it's hard when your hoarse to laugh out loud.

As to where everyone is - well, I'm here, and have been quite frequently, but there's absolutely nothing to write until Gob and Twiddle is started or some conflict arrises.

Sometime or other, would it be possible to add in some random new character who'll only be in for a day or so in the play?

-- Folwren

[JennyHallu]

Fea and I are having too much fun. Besides, Lin takes herself far too seriously. She needs some romance to put her in ridiculously awkward situations, until her sense of humor develops some.

Ever read the play "Six Characters in Search of an Author"? (Or something like that...)

Well my characters live in terror of their author.

EDIT: And congrats on your soon-to-be-auntie status. Niece or nephew, or do you know yet?

[Folwren]

Nope, never read "Six Characters in Search of an Author." Sounds intriguing and humorous. Who's it by? I've often considered writing a weird twisty story in which the character dislikes the author and wishes he didn't have to do what the author made him do. . .but that'd be very complex and I don't feel up to it right now.

Lin cracks me up. Can't wait to see her romantic, awkward situations. :p

Don't know what it is yet. She just found out last Saturday, so it'll be a while yet until we know if it's a boy or girl. And I'm guessing you all will have to be looking at that rather boring and flat signature until I get over the fact that, not only will I be Aunt, but my loveable older brother is going to be a Daddy.

-- Folwren

[JennyHallu]

I am glad my little Linduial amuses you. She amuses me too...be prepared for a lot of amusement this week...my honey of a husband will be on a business trip most of the week and I'll be all by myself at home. Which means boredom. Lots and lots of boredom.


Can we call you Auntie Folwren?

And on a totally unrelated note...

Does the name "Marjorie Joy" sound pretty to anyone besides me? Neal seems to think a girl named Marjorie would inevitably be called Marge...I disagree.

EDIT: And I cannot for the life of me remember who wrote it. I keep wanting to say "Tennessee Williams" but I know that's wrong. I'll be good and go look it up.

[JennyHallu]

Luigi Pirandello


(No wonder I couldn't remember it...especially if my brain was stuck on Tennessee)

[Folwren]

Good gracious! What a name - for even a poet! But I'm going to see if I can find it and get it, because that really sounds interesting.

I think that chat is generally not supposed to happen on threads when the chat is so off topic, but I'll be bad a little while longer until someone else comes back and gets us back on track and to the story.

If it so pleases you, you may call me Auntie Folwren, but I sincerely hope it doesn't catch on and I'm called that all around the Downs ever after.

Marjorie Joy does sound sweet. My Grandma was Marjorie, but she wasn't called Marge. They ended up mixing her first and second name together and she's called Marjean. I wouldn't name my daughter Marjorie, but if you like the name, no one is going to be there to stop you, except your husband.

How old is Lin? I don't recall ever seeing her age, but I haven't read all of your posts about her as closely as I could have. You're not intending to have her actually completely falling in love with Degas, are you? He might be dashing, but from the one post that Fea's written of him so far (that I've read), I've gathered that he's awfully conceited.

It was funny when she asked Eodwine if she was pretty. I regret having a sore throat for that one line.

-- Folwren

[JennyHallu]

See, my Great-Grandma was Marjorie, and I have never heard her called anything but Marjorie. She passed away before I really got a chance to know her, and I've been told I resemble her in both body and personality. She was a live-in nurse for the wife of Booth Tarkington...

Anyway, back to the topic:

Linduial is about 17 or 18. I'm not sure exactly, she hasn't told me. A little girl in many ways, but surprisingly mature in others, and on the cusp of true womanhood. And as for falling for Degas, I haven't decided that one either. She certainly has a crush on him; he is dashing, risky, and exotic, and completely unlike the young men of her experience. She's also rather had romance on the brain, due to her worriting over her father's plans. He is conceited, but so is Lin, and I think both Fea and I are playing it by ear right now. We have no idea where this is going. When we do...we probably won't tell you ;) Just for the fun of actually seeing initial reactions.

As for asking Eodwine whether she was pretty...well, partially I needed Degas to re-enter the scene on an awkward note, and partially, it's Elempi's BIRTHDAY! and he deserved a chance to be in on the fun. At the very least Fea and I'll force Eodwine to retreat to his room to laugh at the children properly.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

He is conceited, but so is Lin, and I think both Fea and I are playing it by ear right now. We have no idea where this is going. When we do...we probably won't tell you ;) Just for the fun of actually seeing initial reactions.
Hm... *decides to keep quiet*

Basically, Degas is sweet. He is conceited, but only in a way stemming from being a handsome noble that's been swooned over. :rolleyes: He loves his sister more than anybody and would do anything to keep her safe, but he doesn't always think. He's rash, but regrets it after. He's working on growing up, but he's still pretty irresponsible.

[Folwren]

Basically, Degas is sweet. He is conceited, but only in a way stemming from being a handsome noble that's been swooned over. :rolleyes: He loves his sister more than anybody and would do anything to keep her safe, but he doesn't always think. He's rash, but regrets it after. He's working on growing up, but he's still pretty irresponsible.

His character may well be different than what I first saw it to be. He's not overly conceited, which is nice, and, after all, there's only been one post with him in it. I'm sure you'll have time to develope him into what you just said ^^ and we'll soon see that he isn't conceited. :D

-- Folwren

[JennyHallu]

I am excited to find out...

And Fea, you sound like you have more plans than I have...

*rubs hands together*

Can I crow about how much fun I'm having with this again? Can't wait for Degas' reaction.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

What's being forgotten is that he's not a new character, he's simply new to those who weren't involved in The White Horse. While he wasn't as charasmatic the last times he was seen, it's because his first appearance was to inform Saeryn that their sister was dead and his second was bloody. I'll have to be careful to remember that you guys don't already know him.

Edit: Jen, it's true. At least a little. I had plans... but I'm not sure if they'll follow through. In any case, you're right. I'm having a lot of fun with this. And speaking of me posting... *runs off to do it*

[JennyHallu]

I think that's an advantage for me. Since Linduial doesn't know him either, I can do a better job of writing her first impressions of him, because they're my first impressions of him with her outlook laid over, rather than my set view of him stripped down roughly.

EDIT: Flying by the seat of my pants is fine with me for now. Linduial tends to run away with me anyhow. Whenever we decide our personal plans need mutual conspiracy-theorizing (these poor children we've created), PM me!

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Now don't you just want to smack him? ;)

[JennyHallu]

Can't. I'm laughing too hard.

And Lin's too busy trying to close her mouth again.

[Nerindel]

Ok a rather reflective post from Æöelhild, but I wanted to get in that she did share somewhat of her past with Leof.

but there's absolutely nothing to write until Gob and Twiddle is started or some conflict arrises.

Folwren, look out I think Frodides is after your hide for filling her kitchen with bodies :p

Frodides stern faced stood wagging a wooden spoon inches from Thorndens nose telling him absolutely that they could not use her kitchens as a common room,

Jenny I have a specific reason for having included some interaction between Æöel and Marenil, I'm hoping though Æöel's not that he will notice things about her, things that suggest she's not all that she appears to be, things that will give hint to her educated upbringing in Gondorian society.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Another two for the kitchens!

LMP: Wherever you choose is where Eodwine and Degas now are. Also, whatever you choose to have them talk about is up for grabs.

[Folwren]

Are we allowed to stick up saves? If not. . .I've broken the rules and will get rid of it as soon as possible. But I can't concern myself with that now, it's time to eat.

Till later!

-- Folwren

[littlemanpoet]

Okay. Ack! I'm really, actually, gonna get a post up on the thread tomorrow! No, really! :(

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Okay. Ack! I'm really, actually, gonna get a post up on the thread tomorrow! No, really! :(
I don't believe you. :p

[JennyHallu]

I'll get something up tomorrow morning.

I'll bet she believes me...

[JennyHallu]

Only girls of a certain age can talk in italics. And I decided that since Folwren's save will end with everyone boiling out of the kitchen chaotically anyway, it's ok if we delay our arrival a little bit.


Oh and Folwren, go to the temporary hall under the tent in the courtyard. At least I think that's what Elempi suggested a few posts back...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Oops, we've actually arrived. Though eveyone's about to leave, once we decide on a place.

[JennyHallu]

Lin's vocabulary had lost much of its girth since the arrival of Saeryn's dashing brother.

Fea, you are wonderful. Arriving is fine. I meant to delay only until we got a conversation through. ;)

[Folwren]

I can move that post. I don't have to write it just there, and it looks like it may be better to start leaving not where my save is, but where the story is now, pretty much. Give me all your people's opinions and when I get back from cleaning the kitchen I'll write my post and decide where to put it. (I hope to have that done before noon.)(No definite promises, though.)

-- Folwren

[JennyHallu]

I think that's just fine. (Besides, Fea and I posted with the assumption that you would, and that it would result in everyone going somewhere else.)