6 Degrees of Separation

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I thought this was not that hard.

[Fordim Hedgethistle]

ok, I'll bite

Eomund --> Theoden --> Eomund???

I just know that's too simple, but you have been waiting a long time for a response Nilp!

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I think the confusion stems from the first element of the puzzle.

Right. OK, during Eorl's ride to Calenardhon, there was a chap with him, a senior commander of his army, perhaps, by the name of Éomund. He can be found in The Chronicles of Cirion and Eorl, Unfinished Tales.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Anyone?

[The Perky Ent]

Eomund --> Chap --> Theoden --> Eomund?

lol no idea really. I'm not much of a biter. My bark is better than my bite. I'm an ent.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

This is tougher than I thought.

This is my answer:

Éomund -> Galadriel (through the river mist) -> Éomer -> Éomund

Anyone can take this thread.

[The Perky Ent]

yar! I claim this thread in the name of Fangorn!


Aragorn --> Thorin

Easy, but thats all i can think of atm

[Alcarillo]

Aragorn -> Frodo -> Bilbo -> Thorin

Or

Aragorn -> Bilbo -> Thorin

[The Perky Ent]

exactly

[Telchar]

This is tougher than I thought.

This is my answer:

Éomund -> Galadriel (through the river mist) -> Éomer -> Éomund

Anyone can take this thread.



Though that line of thought is very creative, it might be just a little too creative. Specially if you read the rules on page one of this thread. Offen in these threads the connection between Galadriel and Eorl is discussed to be valid as a link in this game, but is always dismissed - the same goes for any connection for using dead people, such as Baldor. If using dead people was allowed then another correct answer to the Eomund / Eomund question could be: Eomund - Elendil - Eomer - Eomund... But dead ppl is no good - so there you have it.
The only correct way to go about it is family ties and wizards ;o)

Eomund - Cirion* - Húrin II - Orodreth - Egalmoth - Beren - Saruman - Eomer - Eomund

*) We must assume that all stewards meet at least their grandchildren...

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Hehe, so maybe I was in error? :o

[Telchar]

Its difficult to tell right from wrong - basicly it's all about how freely one chooses to interpret the rules... ;)

[Telchar]

Im sorry to interrupt, but I found one that I think is pretty ok:

Wulf -> Durin I ???

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

It's Alcarillo's turn. :smokin:

[Telchar]

I know - thats why I said Im sorry :rolleyes: I just didnt want it to slip my mind... ;) - And of course its Alcarillo's turn :o

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Where's Alcarillo, enedwaith?

[Telchar]

Why don't we just get on with it???

Wulf ---> Durin I

:smokin:

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Wulf -> Fréaláf -> Brytta Léofa -> one of the Orcs who fled from the War of the Dwarves and Orcs -> Durin's Bane -> Aulë -> Durin I?

[Telchar]

Sorry Nilp - thats a no go! It can be dome much shorter ;)

I do however very much like your start and your end :)

[Telchar]

HINT:

Wulf -> Fréaláf -> XXXXX -> Aulë -> Durin I?

Its that simple.... ;)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

No wizards, right?

Wulf -> Fréaláf -> Mandos? -> Aulë -> Durin I

[Telchar]

Have I said you can't use wizards? :rolleyes:

The interesting point in this question is, that there is a direct qoute that says that a certain wizard met, in this case, a specific king of Rohan.

Only with that knowledge can one solve the problem in the shortest way.

I know that the first post of this thread advices to avoid the use of wizards, but this I thought, was a nice exception.

Cheers T

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Unless one specifically states I can use wizards I don't use them. :p

Wulf -> Fréaláf -> Saruman -> Aulë -> Durin I

[Telchar]

You're up Nilp. :)

I'll set my regulations and restrictions in my questions. Solve them under those conditions and everything will be fine.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

The 'No Wizards' rule is part of the original rules. So to cancel it, one must actually state that it could be ignored.

Enedwaith . . .

Aranwë -> Aranarth

[The Perky Ent]

hmmm....

Aranwe -> Voronwe -> Tuor -> Elrond -> Cirdan -> Aranarth

I orginally had Tuor -> Earendil -> Elrond, but I assumed Tuor would see his Grand son before he left Middle Earth.

...but then I'm also assuming I'm correct :P

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Your go. :)

[The Perky Ent]

Theoden ----> Blog


Really hard, eh?

[Formendacil]

hmmm....

Aranwe -> Voronwe -> Tuor -> Elrond -> Cirdan -> Aranarth

I orginally had Tuor -> Earendil -> Elrond, but I assumed Tuor would see his Grand son before he left Middle Earth.

...but then I'm also assuming I'm correct :P

Correct

Actually, Milord Felagund, I think that that may be an incorrect answer. I believe that it's generally accepted that Tuor left Middle-Earth PRIOR to the birth of Elrond and Elros. Checking with the Silmarillion leaves it a LITTLE unclear, but Tuor and Idril's departure is listed at the end of "The Fall of Gondolin" chapter, while the birth of the twins occurs at the start of "The Voyages of Earendil". Furthermore, I believe that comparisom with the History of Middle-Earth will bear me out.

T'is a minor quibble, however, since I believe that one can skip right over Earendil and Elrond and go: Tuor -> Cirdan. It says in the "Fall of Gondolin" that mariners of Cirdan came to the aid of the refugees (including Tuor), and it seems likely that at some point, Tuor would have met Cirdan. If not, Earendil certainly did, since the two of them worked together quite closely.

Just a quibble, and by no means let me interrupt the game. I just thought that since this game is based on sure connections, one ought to discourage Tuor -> Elrond ere it became prevalent.

~The Picky One -
Formendacil~

[The Perky Ent]

An interesting point indeed. My main source of quick information in reguards to Middle Earth Fun and Games is the Encyclopedia of Arda (http://www.glyphweb.com/arda) . According to it, Tuor left c. 560. and Elrond was born c. 525. The c. makes it a grey area, but I think they would have met, although it probably wouldn't have been worth mention in the Silmarilion. Now....Theoden --> Bolg!

[Formendacil]

An interesting point indeed. My main source of quick information in reguards to Middle Earth Fun and Games is the Encyclopedia of Arda (http://www.glyphweb.com/arda) . According to it, Tuor left c. 560. and Elrond was born c. 525. The c. makes it a grey area, but I think they would have met, although it probably wouldn't have been worth mention in the Silmarilion. Now....Theoden --> Bolg!

Well, it's not a huge point... but Elrond can still be skipped anyway.

Now, to reply:

Theoden-> Merry -> Bilbo-> Beorn-> Bolg

[The Perky Ent]

Indeed! Your go!

[Formendacil]

Okay, lemme think...

Anarion -> Hurin (of the House of Hador)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Anárion -> Gil-galad -> Fingon -> Húrin

[Formendacil]

Anárion -> Gil-galad -> Fingon -> Húrin

Looks quite correct, Milord Felagund.

Your move.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Hmmm . . .

Gamil -> Gimli

[The Perky Ent]

Gamli -> Telchar -> Curufin -> Feanor -> Galadriel -> Gimli


Maybe?!? :confused:

[Telchar]

Well the problem with this question is that there is no proved interaction (I belive) Between "Gamil Zirak and Telchar" and anybody else. Perky tries with a weapon, in this case Angrist, owned by Curufin - good thinking, but as there are no proof we might as well use another weapon an make it much shorter :p

Gamil Zirak - Telch - Aragorn - Gimli

[The Perky Ent]

*sigh*

I didn't know weapons could know people (except maybe Gurthang :p)

[Telchar]

Then how can you connect Telchar and Curufin?

[The Perky Ent]

He could have....could have....presented it to him personally, I guess....

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Somebody anonymously neg-repped me for my question-post. Oh well, there's no accounting for given reps.

By the way, if you plan to link using weapons, you must include the weapons themselves in your answer. :p

[The Perky Ent]

Gamil Zirak - Telch - Narsil - Aragorn - Gimli

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Thine. :)

[The Perky Ent]

Deagol ---> Yavanna


Wizard rule doesn't apply. Not really hard, but I'm bored :)

[Fordim Hedgethistle]

Well, then it would be:

Deagol --> Smeagol --> Gandalf/Olorin --> Yavanna

[The Perky Ent]

Hmm....do we know if Gandalf is directly tied to Yavanna? If he is, can you give me a quote to it. If not, there's a direct link to her I can think of

[Formendacil]

Hmm....do we know if Gandalf is directly tied to Yavanna? If he is, can you give me a quote to it. If not, there's a direct link to her I can think of

They were both in the Music of the Ainur...

[The Perky Ent]

>.<

Ok, let me try to say this right: There is a wizard connection to Yavanna, but it's a direct connection. Hopefully you'll understand what I mean.

[Telchar]

Maybe you're thinking about this note from UT that proves that Olorin and Yavanna was at the same council, chosing the Heren Istarion:

Most of the remaining writings about the Istari (as a group) are unhappily no more than very rapid jottings, often illegible. Of major interest, however, is a brief and very hasty sketch of a narrative, telling of a council of the Valar, summoned it seems by Manwë ("and maybe he called upon Eru for counsel?"), at which it was resolved to send out three emissaries to Middle-earth. "Who would go ? For they must be mighty, peers of Sauron, but must forgo might, and clothe themselves in flesh so as to treat on equality and win the trust of Elves and Men. But this would imperil them, dimming their wisdom and knowledge, and confusing them with fears, cares, and weariness coming from the flesh." But two only came forward: Curumo, who was chosen by Aulë, and Alatar, who was sent by Oromë. Then Manwë asked, where was Olórin ? And Olórin, who was clad in grey, and having just entered from a journey had seated himself at the edge of the council, asked what Manwë would have of him. Manwë replied that he wished Olórinto go as the third messenger to Middle-earth (and it is remarked in parentheses that "Olórinwas a lover of the Eldar that remained," apparently to explain Manwë's choice). But Olórindeclared that he was too weak for such a task, and that he feared Sauron. Then Manwë said that that was all the more reason why he should go, and that he commanded Olórin(illegible words follow that seems to contain word "third"). But at that Varda looked up and said: "Not as the third;" and Curumo remembered it.
The note ends with the statement that Curumo [Saruman] took Aiwendil [Radagast] because Yavanna begged him, and that Alatar took Pallando as a friend.

[The Perky Ent]

The note ends with the statement that Curumo [Saruman] took Aiwendil [Radagast] because Yavanna begged him

The link I was looking for was Gandalf -> Radagast -> Yavanna. But since you've defended him with a nice big quote, It's Fordim's go

[Fordim Hedgethistle]

Well, I still stand by my original answer.

In UT, p. 393, there is an account of "a council of the Valar, summoned it seems by Manwe...at which it was resolved to send out three emissaries to Middle-earth" Olorin was at the council; he was Manwe's choice but he "declared he was too weak for such a task, and that he feared Sauron". Yavanna was also at the council: "Curumo [Saruman] took Aiwendil [Radagast] because Yavanna begged him."

So apparently there was at least one occasion when Olorin and Yavanna were at the same event.

But even if this won't answer, then there's always:

Deagol --> Smeagol --> Gandalf/Olorin --> Saruman/Curumo --> Yavanna

EDIT Cross-posted with Telchar and Perky!

All right, here's mine:

Mimosa Bunce --> Tar-Minastir

[Fordim Hedgethistle]

BUMP

C'mon guys, it isn't that hard... :p

[Fordim Hedgethistle]

Hermmm....12 days with no response. If it goes a full two weeks, what then? Do I simply reveal the answer and pose another??? Would anyone like a hint???

[Telchar]

Mimosa Bunce --> Rosa Baggins* - Bilbo - Elrond --> Tar-Minastir

* She was only 34 older than Bilbo, and Bilbos fathers 1st cousin, so I assume they met.

[Fordim Hedgethistle]

Oooooo, so close and yet it could be a bit shorter at the front end, and I think it might need to be a bit longer at the back end (but I'm not sure about that one).

[Fordim Hedgethistle]

OK -- well as it seems I've effectively killed the thread, here's the solution:

Mimosa Bunce --> Bilbo Baggins* --> Elrond --> captain of Tar-Minastir's forces** --> Tar-Minastir

* Bilbo was 11 when Mimosa died so he must have had some contact with her

** I can't find a direct reference that Tar-Minastir went to Gil-Galad's aid himself; the accounts in the UT an the Appendix of LotR state that he "sent" an army...

Be that as it may, Telchar was so close that I shall cede the floor to him

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Telchar?

[Firefoot]

Since this thread has been so long stagnant...

Ar-Gimilzor --> Gimli

[Lindolirian]

Assuming Sauron is not allowed:
Ar-Gimilzor-> Ar-Pharazon-> (Elendil->) Isildur-> Elrond-> Gimli

[Firefoot]

Looks good!

[Lindolirian]

Elentirmo-> Galmod

[Telchar]

Elentirmo-> Aldarion > Galadriel > Grima > Galmod

[Lindolirian]

Aldarion knew Galadriel?

[Telchar]

According to UT they met close to Tharbad - At that stage of Celeborn and Galadriels life they lived en Eregion...

[Lindolirian]

Ah that is true... I had forgotten. Good work then! Lead on!

[Telchar]

Marigold ---> Ivorwen

[Lindolirian]

Marigold-> Sam-> Aragorn-> Gilraen-> Ivorwen
or perhaps
Marigold-> Sam-> Elrond-> Ivorwen

[Telchar]

Both looks good to me :)

Your thread...

[Lindolirian]

Frumgar-> Orophin
No elves.

[Elu Ancalime]

Frumgar-> Scatha->Oin I [scatha invaded his realm->Gimli his decendant>Aragorn->Haldir
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[Lindolirian]

I like the way you think, but the connection between Gimli and Oin I is too distant. Hint: I used an object.

[Elu Ancalime]

ah. i did not think of using an object. Then:

Fumgar->Scatha->Scatha's Hoard(Horn)->Eowyn-> Merry->Haldir

Might not be the same object you were thinking of, but that's the first thing i thought of.
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[Lindolirian]

Verrrrry close... Go look at my original question and finish the puzzle! (And some of your degrees are unneeded.)

[Elu Ancalime]

Oy, no idea what i was thinking.

Frumgar>Scathas hoard[horn]>merry>haldir>orophin?
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[Lindolirian]

Right on!

[Elu Ancalime]

Labadal--->Mithrandir
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[Alcarillo]

Labadal -> Turin -> Thingol -> Melian -> Galadriel -> Mithrandir

I suppose you could even leave out Thingol if you wanted to.

[Elu Ancalime]

Alright. Your go.
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[Alcarillo]

Mim the Petty-Dwarf -> Eomer

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Mîm -> Túrin -> Melian -> Galadriel -> Éomer

[Lindolirian]

Or perhaps:
Mim-> Hurin-> Glamdring-> Eomer

Seeing how Glamdring was the sword of the King of Gondolin whom Hurin met, which passed to Gandalf and Eomer undoubtedly it saw at some point in the War of the Ring, I thought it could work. Or maybe it's a stretch. But this was a lot more fun that simply bumping the thread...;).

[Alcarillo]

Thanks for reminding me, Lindo.

And Nilp has it.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Balan -> Baldor

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

It's not difficult or anything, is it? :p

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I see, it is difficult. :p

[Lindolirian]

And then I go and forget about the thread.
Balan (Beor)-> Felagund's ring-> Aragorn-> Baldor('s bones in the Paths of the Dead)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

. . .

Uh, no. :p

Try again. You can do it without the ite--

*thud*

Your thread, Lindo.

ADAM!!!

Well, he deserves it.

[Lindolirian]

Well I don't know who to believe but I'll throw this out just in case:
Balan-> Felagund-> Galadriel-> Aragorn-> Baldor

Thank you Adam... happy Nilp? :p


Henderch-> Frerin

[Elu Ancalime]

Henderch-->Aldarion-->(Sceptre)Elrond-->Thorin O.-->Frerin

Is the Sceptre thing ok or no?
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[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I know Lindo would take your answer, Elu, since he is not so evil as I am.

However, if I have gained influence over him, this is the item-less answer:

Henderch -> Aldarion -> Gil-galad -> Elrond -> Thorin II -> Frerin

[Lindolirian]

Blast you Nilp! I will not go to the Dark Side! While your answer was the one I came up with in my own head, I rather like the use of items because it adds a bit more trickiness to the game. Plus, I also enjoy being shown up with something I didn't think of. :p
So control of the board goes to Elu Ancalime.

[Elu Ancalime]

I like items too.

And because of that I wont do a hard one.
Maglor->Tauron
Ah, for some reason I cant remember the Quenya name....
And this is assuming no contact in Valinor from Maglor.
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[Elu Ancalime]

Come on Peoples. Its definatley not hard. Before I give a hint, I will give it a little more time. I know its because you all forgot about this thread, not cause its hard. :p
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[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Or confusing, but it's probably the same. :D :p

Okay, I'll try:

Maglor -> Silmaril -> Varda -> Tauron?

[Elu Ancalime]

Thar we go! I was thinking Maglor->Feanor->Finwe->Tauron at the most, through the meeting at Cuevinen.
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[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Lagduf -> Labadal

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Too tough for you again? :smokin: :p

[Mettare]

Lagduf -> Frodo -> Galadriel -> Thingol -> Turin -> Labadal

No? :rolleyes:

[Beregond]

Shall someone else go? :)

[Thinlómien]

It has been such a long time that you, Beregond, if you wish, can take over the thread and ask a new question... :)

[Beregond]

Okay! :)

Manwe --> Arminas

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Manwë=>Ulmo=>Tuor=>Arminas

[Beregond]

Yes, exactly. :)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Fine :) What about that one:

Bëor the Old => Saruman

You have to make it in four people at most (including Bëor and Saruman, so two other people at most).

[Beregond]

Bëor => Finrod Nóm => Galadriel => Saruman :)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Quite easy :) Your turn now.

[Beregond]

Aye, it's difficult to make these hard, isn't it? :)

Labadal => Ghan-buri Ghan

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

What about this:

Labadal => Húrin => Melian => Galadriel => Merry => Ghan-buri-Ghan

[Beregond]

Very good, and just what I was thinking! I don't know it could get shorter, unless Turin met Galadriel, but we do not know that...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Yes, I thought about it too... but since even she doesn't mention it anywhere, I guess not (lucky her, btw).

Okay... hope this is at least somewhat good...

Yavanna => Bolg

And I want links based only on what is really explicitely stated in the books, not "this one and this one might have probably met..."

And, try to make it in four (including these two).

[Celebdil]

Yavanna -- Radagast -- Beorn -- Bolg ?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Congratulations, bright-minded! Please take the thread.

[Celebdil]

Ungoliant => Shelob

I found a solution to this in a total of 5 steps, so please use at most 5. If you can come up with less, go for it!

[Aganzir]

Ungoliant - Morgoth - Sauron - Shelob?

[Celebdil]

Are you sure that Sauron and Shelob actually met? I know Sauron knew Shelob guarded the pass but I don't remember reading that they ever met each other.

[Aganzir]

I'm not sure either. I guess it's nowhere mentioned.

What about the following:
Ungoliant - Morgoth - Sauron - Shagrat - Shelob?

I don't know for sure if Sauron and Shagrat actually met, but maybe we can assume so? Of course it depends on how many secretaries Sauron had.

[Celebdil]

I do remember that Shagrat seemed to know many things about how Shelob hunted her prey, so I think its reasonable to assume he at least watched her from afar, so I'll accept it. I was actually thinking the same as you except replace Shagrat with Gollum. Gollum at some point mentions that Sauron was missing a finger so he must have been in Sauron's presence.

Good job :D The thread is yours.

[Aganzir]

Oh, of course. :D Gollum didn't even occur to me.

Well, this is probably too easy, but I'm so bad at inventing these.

Fundin - Anborn.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

In how many people? Six? Or even less? I can say five.

Fundin => Balin => Bilbo => Frodo => Anborn

[Celebdil]

I bet you could even eliminate Bilbo there because I believe Balin had visit the Shire on a few occasions and met Frodo. Frodo says something about this at the Council of Elrond I believe (or somewhere along his journey to Rivendell)

[Aganzir]

Right you are, Legate - that's what I thought, too. I'm sorry, I just forgot to tell the number of people. That happens when you're up when you should be sleeping, after a horrible exam week. :o

As for whether Frodo and Balin ever met, I don't think so. Frodo was, after all, only twenty-one when Bilbo adpted him, and Balin entered Moria the same year.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I thoughts so as well. Okay, a new one here:

Eorl the Young => Arathorn

Six, please (including these two)

[Thinlómien]

Eorl -> Brego -> Baldor -> King of the Dead -> Aragorn -> Arathorn ?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Eorl -> Brego -> Baldor -> King of the Dead -> Aragorn -> Arathorn ?
Very good! Exactly what I had in mind. Please, continue. :)

[Thinlómien]

Théodred => Thuringwethil

Six, including those two. You can make it shorter if you're able to.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Théodred => Théoden => Saruman => Sauron => Thuringwhateveritisspelledihavetolookitup

[Thinlómien]

Great. Legate, please take the thread.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Alright...

Tuor => Gollum

[Morthoron]

Alright...

Tuor => Gollum

Tuor -> Earandil -> Elrond -> Aragorn -> Gollum

Aragorn of course captured Gollum and brought him back to Mirkwood.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Very good! Please, continue with the thread.

[Morthoron]

Six.

Eol => Celebrian

[Shards of Narsil]

Eol - Maeglin - Idril - Earendil - Elrond - Celebrian.

[Morthoron]

Eol - Maeglin - Idril - Earendil - Elrond - Celebrian.

Hmmm...not the path I would've taken, but it works.

Mine was Eol => Thingol => Beleg => Turin (all via Anglachel) => Orodreth => Galadriel => Celebrian.

Go ahead.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

So, let's start anew with a rather simple one.

Annael -> Annatar

[Pitchwife]

You call that simple?

Annael -> Tuor -> Idril -> Enerdhil -> Celebrimbor -> Annatar

(depending, of course, on the UT story that Celebrimbor was from Gondolin, not the son of Curufin as in Silm)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Well, you could have used the Ainur:

Annael -> Tuor -> Ulmo (-> Morgoth) -> Annatar

Ah, but your way works as well. Take the thread! :)

[Pitchwife]

Thanks:)! I guess it was the name Annatar (instead of Sauron) that made me think of Celebrimbor and forget the Valar connection.
Anyway, what about this (no Valar involved):

Iorlas -> Bregalad

[Andsigil]

Iorlas -> Bregalad

5 moves:

Iorlas > Beregond > Pippin> Treebeard> Bregalad

[Pitchwife]

Correct! (I would have left out Treebeard and used Bergil instead of Beregond, but never mind.) Take it away!

[Andsigil]

Okay, how about Cirdan to The Gaffer?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Laziest one is:

Círdan -> Elrond -> Samwise -> Gaffer Gamgee

[Andsigil]

Ack. Too easy. Your turn. :)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

And sorry for the delay, had trouble coming up with a snorter. :Merisu:

Damrod -> Amrod

[Andsigil]

Damrod > Faramir > Boromir > Elrond > (Maglor?) > Amrod

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Excellent. :)

Your turn.

[Andsigil]

Azog > Thorondor

[Andsigil]

*bump*

Anyone?

Bueller? Bueller?

[Thinlómien]

Azog -> Dáin -> Thórin -> Gandalf -> Glorfindel-> Thorondor?

[Andsigil]

Hmmm... I can't seem to recall Thorondor meeting Glorfindel, but it's possible they met at Gondolin, I suppose.

My path went:
Azog- Dain- Thorin- Thranduil- Elwe- Beren- Thorondor

I'll give it to you, though. The board is yours.

[Thinlómien]

Hmmm... I can't seem to recall Thorondor meeting Glorfindel, but it's possible they met at Gondolin, I suppose.Thorondor saved Glorfindel's body after the fight with the balrog...

Thuringwethil -> Bilbo

[Nerwen]

Thuringwethil–Sauron-Gollum-Bilbo.

Or is that too lazy?

[Thinlómien]

Thuringwethil–Sauron-Gollum-Bilbo.

Or is that too lazy?Aiaiai, it's pretty lazy. :D But I'll accept it, you were smarter than me. ;) I was thinking Thuringwethil -> Lúthien -> Mandos -> Nienna -> Gandalf -> Bilbo.

Please take the thread. :)

[Nerwen]

Aiaiai, it's pretty lazy. :D But I'll accept it, you were smarter than me. ;) I was thinking Thuringwethil -> Lúthien -> Mandos -> Nienna -> Gandalf -> Bilbo.

You can also have Thuringwethil– Lúthien– Melian– Galadriel– Anyone in the Fellowship– Bilbo.

So I had that in reserve.;)

[Nerwen]

All right, I've thought of one.

Tilion => Mîm.

[Beregond]

Is it a stretch to say Tilion > Melian > Beleg > Mîm? :)

[Nerwen]

Sorry. Try again.:)

[Andsigil]

Tilion - Arien - Morgoth- Glaurung - Turin - Mim

[Nerwen]

Ah, now that works (obviously), but I forgot to specify that it's five steps maximum. Sorry about that.:o

Hmmn... I'll give it to you anyway, Andsigil, as your way is quite clever (and completely different from mine). Would you like to have a try at the shorter path, just for the exercise?

[Andsigil]

Okay, 5 moves.... How about:

Tilion - Orome - Thingol - Turin - Mim?

[Nerwen]

Please take the thread.:)

[Andsigil]

I'm beginning to realize that solving these puzzles is easier than making them...:(

How about: Lossoth Chief > Elphir

[Nerwen]

Er... how about you tell me who Elphir is?:confused:

[Andsigil]

Certainly. :)

Elphir was the twenty-third Prince of Dol Amroth. He was the oldest son of Prince Imrahil (http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Elphir).

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I'm beginning to realize that solving these puzzles is easier than making them...:(

How about: Lossoth Chief > Elphir
Yes, it is. Well, if you try to be a tad nasty about it. :D


Lossoth Chief -> Arvedui -> (Aranarth ->) Elrond -> Aragorn -> Imrahil -> Elphir

(Hm, vzv, Nerwen, using Sauron or Gandalf is illegal in this thread. :p See first post.)

[Nerwen]

Lossoth Chief -> Arvedui -> (Aranarth ->) Elrond -> Aragorn -> Imrahil -> Elphir

But do we know for certain that Elrond and Arvedui met?

Hm, vzv, Nerwen, using Sauron or Gandalf is illegal in this thread. :p See first post.)

It's not illegal, Nilp, just not recommended. That's why I asked if my way was too lazy– but Lommy's had Gandalf in it anyway. And you'll see that I had a Plan B that didn't use either of them.

:p yourself.

[Andsigil]

But do we know for certain that Elrond and Arvedui met?

I checked before posting this and, while it's not implausible, I couldn't find any evidence that they had actually met. Same with Arvedui and Cirdan.

Still open. :)

[Ibrîniðilpathânezel]

Would

Lossoth Chief -> Arvedui -> Witch King -> Aragorn -> Imrahil -> Elphir

work? Not that I want to take the thread... my brain is a tad cooked when it comes to inspiration, at the moment. :)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I did put in Aranarth there. *pouts* Or is it too long with him in there? :confused:

[Andsigil]

Would

Lossoth Chief -> Arvedui -> Witch King -> Aragorn -> Imrahil -> Elphir

work? Not that I want to take the thread... my brain is a tad cooked when it comes to inspiration, at the moment. :)

That's the path I had! Your turn.

Was that one difficult? I had a devil of a time thinking that one up.

[Ibrîniðilpathânezel]

Well, as I said, my brain's a tad cooked, so the best I came up with is:

Ulmo -> Sam

Who are rather opposite types, given Sam's fear of water. When I thought of the more convoluted way, I realized there's a very short way as well. Drat.

[Nerwen]

Ulmo– Ossë– Círdan– Sam?

[Ibrîniðilpathânezel]

That's more or less the easy route. Ulmo -> Cirdan -> Sam (since we know that Ulmo spoke directly to Cirdan when he asked him to remain in ME, and Cirdan remained "deep in the counsels" of Ulmo and Osse). My original thought was a bit less direct, though you may certainly take the thread if you like. :)

[Nerwen]

That's more or less the easy route. Ulmo -> Cirdan -> Sam (since we know that Ulmo spoke directly to Cirdan when he asked him to remain in ME, and Cirdan remained "deep in the counsels" of Ulmo and Osse). My original thought was a bit less direct, though you may certainly take the thread if you like. :)

Ah. I didn't have the book with me, and I couldn't remember if Ulmo ever spoke to Círdan in person, so I threw in Ossë to be on the safe side.

Out of curiosity, was the other route anything like Ulmo– Tuor– Eärendil– Elrond– Sam?

Anyway, how about

Finduilas of Nargothrond => Finduilas of Dol Amroth?

[Ibrîniðilpathânezel]

Ah. I didn't have the book with me, and I could remember if Ulmo ever spoke to Círdan in person, so I threw in Ossë to be on the safe side.

Out of curiosity, was the other route anything like Ulmo– Tuor– Eärendil– Elrond– Sam?[/B]

Yep. There was also a possibility of Ulmo > Tuor > Glorfindel > Sam, but that's supposing Tuor and Glorfindel met, outside of Glorfindel saving Tuor and family when he killed the Balrog. And supposing Tolkien really had made up his mind about the two Glorfindels being the same person.

[skip spence]

Anyway, how about

Finduilas of Nargothrond => Finduilas of Dol Amroth?

Finduilas of Nargothrond => Galadriel => Aragorn => Denethor => Finduilas of Dol Amroth

You could insert Orodreth ahead of Galadriel but Finduilas and Galadriel must have known each other well from Nargothrond.

[Nerwen]

I'll give it to you, Skip... but see if you can make the path shorter. (Hint: one person can replace Aragorn and Denethor).

[skip spence]

Imrahil? He met Galadriel I suppose...

Alright, let's see then Yavanna -> Bert the Troll

(And there's no indication that Gandalf/Olorin ever met Yavanna)

[Nerwen]

Imrahil? He met Galadriel I suppose...

Possibly; I was thinking of someone more pivotal to the story than Imrahil, and who definitely met Galadriel.

, let's see then Yavanna -> Bert the Troll

(And there's no indication that Gandalf/Olorin ever met Yavanna)

Yavanna– Aulë– Saruman– Frodo– Bilbo– Bert?

[skip spence]

Possibly, I was thinking of someone more pivotal to the story than Imrahil, and who definitely met Galadriel.


Faramir, then? But I can't think of an instance when he met Galadriel, apart from at the wedding of Arwen and Aragorn...

Edit: It should be Boromir of course! How did I not think of him!?

Yavanna– Aulë– Saruman– Frodo– Bilbo– Bert?

I'll allow that, although I'm not too happy with the Aulë-Saruman connection (sure he was originally a Maia of Aulë, but there's no written evidence they met)

[Nerwen]

Faramir, then? But I can't think of an instance when he met Galadriel, apart from at the wedding of Arwen and Aragorn...

Edit: It should be Boromir of course! How did I not think of him!?

*shrugs* Because he's too obvious, maybe?

I'll allow that, although I'm not too happy with the Aulë-Saruman connection (sure he was originally a Maia of Aulë, but there's no written evidence they met)

Ahem.

But two only came forward: Curumo [i.e. Saruman], who was chosen by Aulë...

Unfinished Tales, "The Istari".

I think that's good enough, don't you?:)

So, what was your way?

[skip spence]

I think that's good enough, don't you?:)

You're right as usual. I bow my head.

So, what was your way?

Hm. Think I had a Yavanna - Maedros - Elrond connection in mind, as Maedros brought the news of the murder of Finwë to the Valar, with Y present.

The thread is yours!

[Andsigil]

*bump*

[Nerwen]

Sorry, I'll think of something.

[Beregond]

*bumpity bump bump* :)

[Nerwen]

You can take this thread if you like; I'm busy right now.

[Andsigil]

Anyone up for bringing this game back?

[Andsigil]

*bump*

Hello?

[Nerwen]

Sure. You want to go first?

[Andsigil]

Sure. You want to go first?

Okay, how about:

Eöl -> Shagrat

[Pitchwife]

Eöl - Maeglin - Eärendil - Elrond - Sam (or Frodo) - Shagrat ?

[Andsigil]

Eöl - Maeglin - Eärendil - Elrond - Sam (or Frodo) - Shagrat ?

The one I had was: Eöl – Aredhel – Fingon - Gil-Galad – Sauron - Shagrat , but yours certainly works.

Your turn. :)

[Pitchwife]

Thanks! I tried to avoid using Sauron.
Now what about
Barliman Butterbur -> Glorfindel ?
Special rule: Do not use any members of the Fellowship (including ponies;)).

[Andsigil]

Thanks! I tried to avoid using Sauron.
Now what about
Barliman Butterbur -> Glorfindel ?
Special rule: Do not use any members of the Fellowship (including ponies;)).

Would that be 1st or 3rd Age Glorfindel? Or are they considered the same elf for this thread?

[Pitchwife]

Glorfindel of Rivendell, the 3rd Age guy. The solution I'm thinking of doesn't depend on him being 1st Age Glorfindel reincarnated, if that's what you thought.

[Hakon]

Are we allowed to count the nine Nazgul as one person?

[Pitchwife]

Are we allowed to count the nine Nazgul as one person?
Now that would be easy, wouldn't it? Try to pick one of them - and not 'Whichever of the Nine was in Bree at the time'. I want a name.

[Hakon]

Barliman Butterbur->Bill Fenry->Witch King->Glorfindel

[Pitchwife]

Almost what I thought of (indeed one degree shorter than mine). I'll accept it as correct (and bonus points for elegance) if you can give me a quote that proves Bill Ferny met the Witch King himself in person. Otherwise you need one more person to link them (not necessarily one whose name we know, but someone who can be identified by, let's say, three words).

[Hakon]

I am guessing this other person is Squint-eyed Southerner. I cannot provide you with a quote that says Bill met the Witch King in person.

[Pitchwife]

Yes, it's the Squint-eyed Southerner. For bonus again (and since you said you were guessing) - as the Witch King himself apparently (from Gandalf's report at the Council of Elrond) wasn't involved in the attack at the Prancing Pony, where are we told that he and the SqS had met before?
Anyway, correct answer is Barliman - Bill Ferny - Squint-eyed Southerner - Witch King - Glorfindel, so take the thread!:)

[Hakon]

I thought of one.

Ungoliant->Elrond

[Andsigil]

Ungoliant- Melkor - Lúthien - Eärwen - Galadriel - Elrond

(the only one I'm not sure of is the Lúthien-Eärwen connection. They were cousins, but I can't recall an actual passage in which they met. It wouldn't surprise me if I were missing some simpler solution to this puzzle)

[skip spence]

It wouldn't surprise me if I were missing some simpler solution to this puzzle)
How about Ungoliant - Morgoth - Maedros - Elrond?

[Hakon]

Skip, the thread is yours. That one works and it is I think the shortest one possible.

[The Saucepan Man]

Skip?

[skip spence]

Alrighty.

How about Ulmo -> Erendis ?

[The Saucepan Man]

Ulmo > Ossë > Círdan > [Gil-Galad] > Tar-Aldarion > Erendis

I am not entirely sure, but I suspect that it may be possible to remove Gil-Galad and still make the connection.

[Eönwë]

Ulmo > Ossë > Círdan > [Gil-Galad] > Tar-Aldarion > Erendis

I am not entirely sure, but I suspect that it may be possible to remove Gil-Galad and still make the connection.

Can't you go straight from Ulmo to Cirdan? Anyway, I believe you have it so I'm not going to try another version.

[skip spence]

Can't you go straight from Ulmo to Cirdan?

I believe you're right, Eönwe. Anyway, the thread is yours Saucepan Man. Give us a challenge!

[The Saucepan Man]

Can't you go straight from Ulmo to Cirdan?Quite possibly, but I wasn't certain, so took the surer route.

OK, so let's try this one:

Carcharoth > The Watcher in the Water

[Andsigil]

Are we barred from using certain characters (like Sauron) in this one?

[skip spence]

Carcaroth - Beren - Melian - Galadriel - Frodo - The Watcher

[The Saucepan Man]

Are we barred from using certain characters (like Sauron) in this one?I tend to hold with the original poster's suggestion:

Try not to use Gandalf, Saurman,or Sauron if it can be helped.And I guess that applies to Eru too ... :D

Carcaroth - Beren - Melian - Galadriel - Frodo - The WatcherSpot on skip. That's what I have, although I was wondering whether Beren and Melian might simply be replaced with Luthien.

Anyway, the thread is yours. :)

[skip spence]

Yeah I suppose Luthien knew Galadriel well but since no meeting is mentioned I took the certain path.

Let's see then... How about

Mardil the Faithful -> Thranduil

[Andsigil]

Mardil > Eärnur > Witch King > any of the hobbits in The Fellowship > Legolas > Thranduil

[skip spence]

Not the connection I had but that works just fine too. For bonus points, find an even shorter path!

It's quite hard coming up with a difficult one I think, as everyone knowns just about anyone with a 6 degree separation. Maybe it would be more challenging if we only allow a three character connection, like A -> 1 - 2 - 3 -> B?

Take it, Andsigil!

[Andsigil]

Not the connection I had but that works just fine too. For bonus points, find an even shorter path!

It's quite hard coming up with a difficult one I think, as everyone knowns just about anyone with a 6 degree separation. Maybe it would be more challenging if we only allow a three character connection, like A -> 1 - 2 - 3 -> B?

Take it, Andsigil!

I'll hold off pending a shorter route by another player. If nobody finds it, I'll put up something tomorrow. I'm interested to see what it would be, after having given it some thought, myself, and come up short. :)

I like your idea of shorter separation degrees. Maybe we can specify how many moves each time we pose a puzzle?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I like your idea of shorter separation degrees. Maybe we can specify how many moves each time we pose a puzzle?

Exactly. I think that's what people have been doing for some time already. Sometimes you are fine with 6, but very often people said "try to make it in..."

[skip spence]

Yeah, that's a good idea. A clue to mine, there is one character that can replace both the Witch-King and the Hobbit

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Would the missing link be Glorfindel?

[skip spence]

Yep, that's what I had in mind!

[Andsigil]

How about if I take a slightly different route in this game while keeping faithful to its origins....

J.R.R. Tolkien > Kevin Bacon :D

[Morsul the Dark]

JRR TOlkien>CHristopher Tolkien>Judi Dench(via JRRT: A Film Portrait of JRR Tolkien)>Pierce Brosnan(Via Golden Eye)>Robin Williams(Mrs. Doubtfire)>Nathan Lane(BirdCage)>Kevin Bacon(He Said She Said)....

[Andsigil]

Bravo!

I was going to go the route of J.R.R. Tolkien -> Christopher Lee -> (myraid of actors), but yours works just fine.

I'm so glad somebody solved that one. Your turn.

[Morsul the Dark]

Radagast>Mouth of Sauron

Sorry every one that I thought of is easy...

[Galadriel55]

Radagast--eagles--battle of on the fields of Kormallen(near Morannon)--mouth of Sauron
or Radagast--eagles--Bilbo--mithril chainmail--M. of S.
or simply Radagast--Gandalf--Mouth of Sauron

[Nerwen]

Morsul hasn't been around for a while, but the third one obviously works, and must be the shortest way possible, so you'd better go anyway, Galadriel55.

(Note for the future: as far as I know, all links have to be people, so you can't have anything like "chainmail" or "a battlefield".)

[Galadriel55]

Maedhros---->Thror

[Andsigil]

Maedhros --> Elrond --> Thorin --> Dain Ironfoot/Nain (either) --> Dain I --> Thror

As for the earlier rules clarifications, I believe also that we were supposed to avoid using Gandalf and Sauron.

I can't remember if Elrond applies, too. If he does, then my answer is invalid (assuming I otherwise had the right answer) and the puzzle can remain open.

[Galadriel55]

You are correct, Andsigil!

[Nerwen]

As for the earlier rules clarifications, I believe also that we were supposed to avoid using Gandalf and Sauron.

I can't remember if Elrond applies, too. If he does, then my answer is invalid (assuming I otherwise had the right answer) and the puzzle can remain open.
Sorry, I forgot about that one. It's Gandalf, Sauron and Saruman you're supposed to avoid.

[Galadriel55]

Radagast>Mouth of Sauron

Then here's another solution without any of them:
Radagast--Eagles--Bilbo--Frodo--Pippin--Mouth of Sauron

Either way, it's Andsigil's turn now.

[Andsigil]

Mouth of Sauron --> Nimrodel

[Galadriel55]

Mouth of Sauron--Legolas--Galadriel (quite possible to use another Elf here)--Nimrodel

Galadriel could be excluded if Legolas' song about Nimrodel counts as a connection, which I doubt.

[Andsigil]

Your turn. :)

[Galadriel55]

This is an easy one, but I can't think of anything better for the moment.
Mauhur--->Deagol

[Lindolirian]

Mauhur -> Grishnakh -> Pippin -> Sam -> Smeagol -> Deagol

[Galadriel55]

Yup!

[Lindolirian]

Balan -> Lotho

[Galadriel55]

Balan (Beor) -- Finrod -- Galadriel -- Frodo -- Lotho

[Lindolirian]

That's it! The thread is yours!

[Galadriel55]

Oh man... That "Yup" post of mine - I was only two months dead when I made it! That's scary! 2010 can't be that long ago! :eek:


Earwen -- Aratan

[Andsigil]

Earwen - Galadriel - Elrond - Isildur - Aratan?

Maybe it could go directly from Elrond to Aratan and skip Isildur. At some point I suppose Elrond could have met Isildur's son, but I don't know if there's any actual proof of such a meeting.

[Galadriel55]

Earwen - Galadriel - Elrond - Isildur - Aratan?

Maybe it could go directly from Elrond to Aratan and skip Isildur. At some point I suppose Elrond could have met Isildur's son, but I don't know if there's any actual proof of such a meeting.

The thread is yours!

I suppose they've met, but since we're not sure about direct interaction I went with either Isildur or else Valandil as the link.

[Andsigil]

Ingwë to Uglúk

[Andsigil]

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[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Ingwë - Manwë - Aulë - Saruman - Uglúk

[Andsigil]

Correct! Your turn.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Fingolfin to Tar-Miriel