Sauron's loyalty after the First Age

[Eäralda Halatiriva]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Now, here's a little quiz for you: do you think Saruman was loyal to Morgoth? What about Gollum? Shelob? Wormtongue? Bill Ferny? Lotho Sackville-Baggins? I mean, he would have been quite pleased with all of them, wouldn't he?

how would any conscious being in Arda who wishes to coerce the free will of others be disloyal by any definition to the source of Theological Evil, defined as "the removal of the free will of others(i know silent readers that i've used bit of tautology!)", Man Woman?

[Nerwen]

Eäralda Halatiriva– I believe I have explained the distinction already. Read my post again.

[Eäralda Halatiriva]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Eäralda Halatiriva– I believe I have explained the distinction already. Read my post again.

oh yes, Man Woman, you've certainly used the word "conscious" in your laying out of your argument. i believe you


but i see still no dilemma between conscious and unconscious, as you seem to be trying to mean it

[Nerwen]

Then we are at an impasse. I mean, I really don't think I could put it plainer than I have already, sorry.

[Eäralda Halatiriva]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Then we are at an impasse. I mean, I really don't think I could put it plainer than I have already, sorry.

oh, we're not at as much an impasse as you seem to presume, Man Woman you needn't apologize for anything - and most certainly not for sharing your Standpoint (something that, yes, even Mumriken is Entitled to).


keep up the interesting sharing around this Round Table, people!