20 Questions on ME

[Gil-Galad]

A word(or words) spoken?

[NightKnight]

Is it an event?

[Firefoot]

A place?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

A word(or words) spoken? #5
Yes. (Good guess). :)

Is it an event? #6
Yes. It's an integral part of an event.

A place? #7
No.

[Firefoot]

Third Age?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Third Age? #8
Yes.

[Firefoot]

Said by one of the Fellowship?

[Gil-Galad]

The Words to open the Gate of Moria? (speak friend and enter)

[NightKnight]

Or simply the password, Mellon?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Said by one of the Fellowship? #9
Yes.

The Words to open the Gate of Moria? (speak friend and enter) #10
No.

Or simply the password, Mellon? #11
No.

[Lindolirian]

Said by a hobbit?

[Dimturiel]

Is it what Aragorn says at the corronation ("Et earello Endorenna utulien...")?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Said by a hobbit?
Yep.

Is it what Aragorn says at the corronation ("Et earello Endorenna utulien...")?
Nope.

Btw, since three questions above were essentially
repeats, I figure the actual number of
questions asked (it's only of academic interest)
is 10.

[Lindolirian]

Said by a Ringbearer (Frodo or Sam)?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Said by a Ringbearer (Frodo or Sam)?
Hmm. A tricksy question. Rather like
demanding three guesses as to what The Baggins
has in its pocketses. However, the
answer is: Yes. #11.

[Lindolirian]

Well that's the point isn't it? To get as much information out of the least number of questions? It was still "yes or no". But I was rather hoping you would have said "No" so that I didn't have to ask which one. But perhaps we'll wait on that.

Was it in the Two Towers?

[Firefoot]

Was it in RotK?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Was it in the Two Towers? Nein. #12

Was it in RotK? Si. #13

[The Saucepan Man]

Frodo's words on claiming the Ring?

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Frodo's words on claiming the Ring? #14

Nyet.

[Gil-Galad]

Was it in the movie version of ROTK?

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Was it in the movie version of ROTK? #15

Agh! I think the answer is
non (that's for you francophiles)
but I'm not positive.

If necessary I'll check tonight and have
a definitive answer tomorrow.

Hint: it has not yet been
established whether the pertinent word or words
are said by Frodo or Sam, and whether it/they
are spoken, a poem, or a song.

[Firefoot]

Sam's song in the Tower of Cirith Ungol?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Sam's song in the Tower of Cirith Ungol? #16
That's it!

In western lands beneath the Sun
the flowers may rise in Spring,
the trees may bud, the waters run,
the merry finches sing.
Or there maybe 'tis cludless night
and swaying beeches bear
the Elven-stars as jewels white
amid their branching hair.

Though here at journey's end I lie
in darkness buried deep,
beyond all towers strong and high,
beyond all mountains steep,
above all shadows rides the Sun
and Stars for ever dwell:
I will not say the Day is done,
nor bid the Stars farewell.

Perhaps just the sort of song one would
expect from a great elf warrior.

[Firefoot]

Okay, I have one!

[NightKnight]

Living?

[Firefoot]

Living? No

[Lindolirian]

Second Age?

[Firefoot]

Second Age? Probably not

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Third Age?

[Firefoot]

Third Age? Yes

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Tangible?

[Firefoot]

Tangible? Yes

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is it smaller than a house?

[Thinlómien]

Is it a weapon?

[Firefoot]

Is it smaller than a house? Yep
Is it a weapon? Nada

[Dimturiel]

Is it a jewel?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Is it an article of clothing?

[NightKnight]

Used by hobbits?

[Firefoot]

Is it a jewel? No
Is it an article of clothing? No
Used by hobbits? um... Yes

[Telchar]

an umbrella? ;)

[Gil-Galad]

a gift?

[Firefoot]

an umbrella? No
a gift? No

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Did it leave the Shire?

[Firefoot]

Did it leave the Shire? No - but it was never there to begin with - so Yes.

;)

[NightKnight]

Made of metal?

[Firefoot]

Made of metal? No

[Meneltarmacil]

Made of stone?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is it smaller than a book?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Made of wood?

[Firefoot]

Made of stone? No
Is it smaller than a book? No
Made of wood? Yes

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Made by elves?

[Firefoot]

Made by elves? No

[Kath]

The staffs Faramir gave to Frodo and Sam?

[Firefoot]

The staffs Faramir gave to Frodo and Sam? Nope

[gralin musicteeth]

Was it used by all four hobbits?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Was it used by Sam?

[Dimturiel]

Did it belong to Merry?

[Firefoot]

Was it used by all four hobbits? I suppose so, yes
Was it used by Sam? See above
Did it belong to Merry? No

[NightKnight]

Some kind of door or gate?

[Firefoot]

Some kind of door or gate? No

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Did it originate in Eriador?

[Mettare]

Is it portable?

[Firefoot]

Did it originate in Eriador? Yes
Is it portable? Not really

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

The firewood the Fellowship carried up Caradhras?

[rutslegolas]

Third Age ?

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Was it used before the hobbits got to Rivendell?

[Firefoot]

The firewood the Fellowship carried up Caradhras? Nope
Third Age ? Yes - Again
Was it used before the hobbits got to Rivendell? Sure was

[Kath]

It is firewood in general?

[Firefoot]

It is firewood in general? Nope

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Was it used before they got to Bree?

[Firefoot]

Was it used before they got to Bree? No

[Dimturiel]

The firewood they found on Weathertop?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Was it used in Bree?

[Firefoot]

The firewood they found on Weathertop? No
Was it used in Bree? Yes

[Telchar]

was it a piece of furniture in the pranching pony?

[Firefoot]

was it a piece of furniture in the pranching pony? No

[Telchar]

something found inside the pranching pony?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Something found inside a bedroom in Bree?

[Firefoot]

something found inside the pranching pony? No
Something found inside a bedroom in Bree? Nope

[Telchar]

Was it the wooden sign above the frontdoor of the pranching pony?

[gralin musicteeth]

Was it the gate that led into Bree?

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Was it the paper with the
message Gandalf left for Frodo?

[Firefoot]

Well done, Telchar!

[Telchar]

Hit me ... ;)

[NightKnight]

Third Age?

[Telchar]

Third Age: YES

[Tuor of Gondolin]

"It's alive!"

(Or is it?)

[Telchar]

not alive!

[Dimturiel]

Is it something tangible?

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Is it something man- (dwarf, ent, elf, orc, hobbit, etc.) made?

[Gil-Galad]

something valuable?

[Telchar]

Is it something tangible? No
Is it something man- (dwarf, ent, elf, orc, hobbit, etc.) made? No
Something valuable? No

[Firefoot]

Is it a song or poem?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is it an event?

[Telchar]

Is it a song or poem? No
Is it an event? No ... not really

Correction:
Is it something tangible? No ... yes, no, its both ;)

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Does it have a connection to a vala or a maia?

[Telchar]

Does it have a connection to a vala or a maia? Nope Can't say that is does

[Mettare]

Is it something nature related?

[Telchar]

Is it something nature related? No, not specificly

[Firefoot]

Can you see it?

[Telchar]

Can you see it? YES

[Firefoot]

Did it have anything to do with any of the four hobbits?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

It is in the Silm?

[Telchar]

Did it have anything to do with any of the four hobbits? Yes
It is in the Silm? No

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Did it have more to do with Sam then the others?

[JennyHallu]

Does it have more to do with any of the hobbits more than the others?

[Firefoot]

Galadriel's mirror?

Was it encountered before the breaking of the Fellowship?

[Telchar]

Did it have more to do with Sam then the others? NO
Does it have more to do with any of the hobbits more than the others? YES
Galadriel's mirror? NO

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Does it have more to do with Merry then the others?

[Firefoot]

Does it have more to do with Pippin than the others?

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Telchar?

[Tuor of Gondolin]

It's been fourteen days. What about starting a new one, unless
Telchar comes back?

[Firefoot]

I'd say go for it. Go ahead and set a new question.

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Okay, but I can't get to a computer most Sundays.
However... ask away.

[Dimturiel]

Is it living?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Is it living? #1
No. It's not a living thing.

[NightKnight]

An event?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Yes. It's part of an event. #2

[Firefoot]

Does it involve hobbits?

[Elu Ancalime]

Did it involve the Dunedain of the South?
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[Gil-Galad]

First Age?

[Dimturiel]

Third age?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Does it involve hobbits? #3
No.

Did it involve the Dunedain of the South? #4
No.

First Age? #5
Yes.

Third Age?
No.

[Dimturiel]

Did it involve the Valar?

[Firefoot]

Does it involve Feanor and/or any of his sons?

[Gil-Galad]

Is it after the awakening of the elves?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

First Age of the Sun?

[Elu Ancalime]

Before the Dagor Bragollach?
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[Tuor in Gondolin]

Did it involve the Valar? #6
No.

Does it involve Feanor and/or any of his sons? #7
No.

Is it after the awakening of the elves? #8
Yes.

First Age of the Sun? #9
Yes.

Before the Dagor Bragollach? #10
No.

[Elu Ancalime]

Was the family of Hurin (in this case including) involved?
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[Firefoot]

Does it involve any of the Sindar?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

After the Year of Lamentation?

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Did it involve the Valar? #6
No.

Does it involve Feanor and/or any of his sons? #7
No.

Is it after the awakening of the elves? #8
Yes.

First Age of the Sun? #9
Yes.

Before the Dagor Bragollach? #10
No.

Was the family of Hurin (in this case including) involved? #11
No.

Does it involve any of the Sindar? #12
Yes.

After the Year of Lamentation? #13
No.

[Gil-Galad]

before Awakening of Men?

[Tuor of Gondolin]

before Awakening of Men? #14
No.

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Since the chronology of events/people in the First Age
can be a bit tricky (at least for me) I thought it might
clarify things to give two dates in reference to
questions above:
The Dagor Bargollach--- F.A. 465

The Year of Lamentation F.A. 472.

[JennyHallu]

Was it the hunting and death of Carcharoth by Thingol and his warriors, and Huan?

[Firefoot]

Does it happen at Menegroth?

[Elu Ancalime]

Nauglimir was involved?
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[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Did it involve Men of the House of Hador?

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Was it the hunting and death of Carcharoth by Thingol and his warriors, and Huan? #15
No.

Does it happen at Menegroth? #16
No.

Nauglimir was involved? #17
No.

Did it involve Men of the House of Hador? #18
No.

[Firefoot]

Does it happen in Doriath at all?

[Meneltarmacil]

Was there any violence involved?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Did it involve Lúthien?

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Does it happen in Doriath at all? # 17
Yes.

Was there any violence involved? # 18
No.

Did it involve Lúthien? # 19
No. But she certainly could be said to
have an interest in the event.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Hmmm . . . was it Daeron spilling the beans to Thingol?

If not, did it involve Daeron at all?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Hmmm . . . was it Daeron spilling the beans to Thingol?
No.

If not, did it involve Daeron at all?
No.

[NightKnight]

Beren entering Doriath?

[Gil-Galad]

After the Death of Thingol?

[Elu Ancalime]

Was it...the Sack?
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[Firefoot]

Is it something that someone said/declared/decided etc.?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Beren entering Doriath?
No.

After the Death of Thingol?
No.

Was it...the Sack?
?

Is it something that someone said/declared/decided etc.?
Yes. It's something someone spoke aloud.

[Gil-Galad]

During the Feast where tensions between Daeron and Turin exploded out in front of the king?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

During the Feast where tensions between Daeron and Turin exploded out in front of the king?
No.

Hint: The event in question takes place outside of Doriath,
and while not violent in itself, its outcome leads to violence.

[Firefoot]

Does it happen in Doriath at all? # 17
Yes.
...
Hint: The event in question takes place outside of Doriath :confused:

Does Thingol say it?

[Elu Ancalime]

Is it Luthien escaping from that big tree Thingol put her in?

(I meant the Sack of Doriath, but thats wrong I guess)
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[Tuor in Gondolin]

Does Thingol say it?
No, but an elf does.

Is it Luthien escaping from that big tree Thingol put her in?

(I meant the Sack of Doriath, but thats wrong I guess)
That's correct. It's before the sack of Doriath.

[Elu Ancalime]

Sweeet.
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[Nilpaurion Felagund]

:D

First Age?

[Firefoot]

Third Age?

[Tuor of Gondolin]

First Age?
Yes.

Third Age?
No.

Perhaps part of an earlier answer will help. The event occurred
between:

The Dagor Bargollach--- F.A. 465

The Year of Lamentation F.A. 472.

[Gil-Galad]

so its an event?

an event that help evil?

[Firefoot]

I'm still confused about whether it actually happens in Doriath or not.

Does Beleg say it?

[Gil-Galad]

I'm still confused about whether it actually happens in Doriath or not.

Does Beleg say it?

were on a new question there dear firefoot

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Did it happen in West Beleriand?

[Firefoot]

were on a new question there dear firefoot That's what I thought too, but Tuor is still answering questions, so apparently not...

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Didn't notice that . . . thanks, Firefoot.

Hmmm . . . is it in TS77's Of Beren and Lúthien?

[Tuor of Gondolin]

so its an event?

an event that help evil?
The outcome of the event was a victory for evil.
So I guess the answer is yes.

I'm still confused about whether it actually happens in Doriath or not.

Does Beleg say it?
Does not happen in Doriath.
Beleg does not say it.

Did it happen in West Beleriand?
Yes.

Hmmm . . . is it in TS77's Of Beren and Lúthien?
Yes. A partial version of it.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Was the Elf who said it named?

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Was the Elf who said it named?
Yes! Especially since he was a speaker.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Said by Edrahil?

Oath to Finrod (or something like that)?

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Said by Edrahil? No.

Oath to Finrod (or something like that)?
No. But you're getting somewhat warmer.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Finrod's singing against Sauron, then?

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Finrod's singing against Sauron, then?
Yes! Your turn.

I decided on that after listening to some old
audio tapes I have, most of JRRT reciting
bits of his works, but also of CT doing excerpts
of Beren and Luthien, which is more extensive
concerning the Sauron/Finrod singing duel
then in The Silmarillion, since it gives more
of Finrod Felagund's bit. Btw, I think JRRT
is a better speaker then CT. It's curious
JRRT was rather defensive about his speaking.
It seems quite clear.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Ask away!

[Gil-Galad]

Living?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Living? Yes.

[Elu Ancalime]

It it one of the Children of Illuvatar?
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[Nilpaurion Felagund]

It it one of the Children of Illuvatar? No.

[Meneltarmacil]

Is it male?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is it male? Nope.

[Elu Ancalime]

A Queen of the Valar?
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[Firefoot]

Third Age?

[Gil-Galad]

Did it die?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

A Queen of the Valar? No.
Third Age? Didn't make it.
Did it die? Yes

[Firefoot]

A plant?

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Second Age?

[Numenorean]

Is it a beastie?

[Elu Ancalime]

This may seem early...but it sounds lke Ungoliant.
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[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Elu Ancalime just read my mind. :eek:

Your thread. :)

[Gil-Galad]

Second Age?

[Elu Ancalime]

Second Age?

Negatory.
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[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Third Age?

[Firefoot]

Living?

[Elu Ancalime]

Living?
No.

Third Age?
Yes.
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[Numenorean]

Is it a place?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Is it something made by an intelligent creature or creatures?

[Elu Ancalime]

Is it something made by an intelligent creature or creatures?
If you mean an item that was fashioned, no, but an item nontheless.

Is it a place?
No.
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[Firefoot]

Could one person carry it?

[Gil-Galad]

Was it used to hurt someone?

[Elu Ancalime]

Was it used to hurt someone?

No.


Could one person carry it?
Yes.
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[Firefoot]

Is it made of stone?

[Elu Ancalime]

Made of Stone?
No.
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[Firefoot]

Was it owned or used by a hobbit?

[Meneltarmacil]

Made of wood?

And the traditional:
If I hit Nilpaurion Felagund with it, would it hurt a lot?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

If I hit Nilpaurion Felagund with it, would it hurt a lot? (Menel)'If you could hit me with' is the more approriate question. *taps special eye*

Is it smaller than a book?

[Elu Ancalime]

Was it owned or used by a hobbit?
Nope.

Made of Wood?
No. Ha, that would be funny.

If I hit Nilpaurion Felagund with it, would it hurt a lot?
Im sure he wouldnt mind.....

Is it smaller than a book?
Well, lets talk booksize: Um...........from its descript it is not smaller than an ordinary copy of any LotR novel book.
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[Gil-Galad]

did it have many users/owners?

[Elu Ancalime]

Be more specific on 'many.' 2 or more?
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[Gil-Galad]

sure, 2 or more

[Elu Ancalime]

Okey-doke.
did it have many users/owners?
Yes.
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[Firefoot]

Fourth Age?

[Gil-Galad]

was it passed on to the different owners by death?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Made of leather?

[Elu Ancalime]

Made of Leather?
No.
Fourth Age?
It was not destroyed in th Third age, so yes.
was it passed on to the different owners by death?
Mmmm.....not physically, but ownership-wise, yes, for a time.
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[Meneltarmacil]

Did it exist prior to the Third Age?

[Gil-Galad]

Is it a Palantir?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is it in TH?

The Arkenstone?

[Firefoot]

Was it owned/used primarily in Gondor?

[Elu Ancalime]

Nilp's got it. I exalt you! Arkenstone, ice cream cone....
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[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Sweet! :)

Okay, ask away.

[Firefoot]

Third Age?

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Living?

[Dimturiel]

Object?

[Gil-Galad]

a weapon?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Third Age? Well . . . yes.
Living? No.
Object? No.
a weapon? No.

[Numenorean]

a place?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

a place? Yes.

[Numenorean]

is it in Arnor?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

is it in Arnor? Nope.

[Firefoot]

An island?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

An island? No.

[Firefoot]

West of Anduin?

[Tuor of Gondolin]

North of Fangorn Forest?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

West of Anduin? Yes.
North of Fangorn Forest? No, I think.

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Part of Rohan?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Part of Rohan? No.

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Is it east of Fangorn Forest?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is it east of Fangorn Forest? No.

Okay . . . sorry about the confusion, but I've decided to change my answer to this:

Third Age? No.

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Second Age?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Second Age? Well, for most of the Second Age it was still part of the World, so yes.

[Firefoot]

Is it a man-made (or some-other-race-made) place (i.e., not natural/geological)?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Is it the island of Numenor?

[Meneltarmacil]

First Age?

[Elu Ancalime]

Tol Eressa?
*cough*
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[NightKnight]

Is it in Aman?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is it a man-made (or some-other-race-made) place (i.e., not natural/geological)? No
Is it the island of Numenor? No
First Age? Yes
Tol Eressa? No
Is it in Aman? Yes

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Is it all or part of a mountain or hill chain?

[Dimturiel]

Is it Oiolosse?