20 Questions on ME

[Absinthe]

13. Something that the average hobbit would use frequently? Yes if the hobbits we know about are representative.

[Pitchwife]

Interesting answer to 12. Hmmm...
Is it Lobelia's umbrella?

[Absinthe]

1, Person? No
2, Place? Non
1a Person? Still no
3, Object? Yes. Unsuprisingly perhaps.
4, Was it made by someone or some group? I am taking this as meaning was it a crafted/manufactured object? And the answer is Yes
5, Made in first age? No
6, MAde by a mortal? Yes
7, Made by a dwarf? No..well unlikely
8, Made in the second age? No
9, Made by a man? No, even more unlikely.
10, Made by a hobbit/hobbits? Yes, almost certainly
10a Made by an orc? Nope.
11, Weapon? No.
12,Is it a piece of clothing / anything that you put on yourself? No/ No, not if you mean something you would be described as wearing (eg armour/jewellery). But you could maybe interpret that question as needing the answer yes.
12a book. no
13. Something that the average hobbit would use frequently? Yes if the hobbits we know about are representative.

14 Is it Lobelia's umbrella? No but that shows you have interpreted my reservation re Q12 in the right sort of way.

[Pitchwife]

Is it usually kept in a pocket?

[Absinthe]

1, Person? No
2, Place? Non
1a Person? Still no
3, Object? Yes. Unsuprisingly perhaps.
4, Was it made by someone or some group? I am taking this as meaning was it a crafted/manufactured object? And the answer is Yes
5, Made in first age? No
6, MAde by a mortal? Yes
7, Made by a dwarf? No..well unlikely
8, Made in the second age? No
9, Made by a man? No, even more unlikely.
10, Made by a hobbit/hobbits? Yes, almost certainly
10a Made by an orc? Nope.
11, Weapon? No.
12,Is it a piece of clothing / anything that you put on yourself? No/ No, not if you mean something you would be described as wearing (eg armour/jewellery). But you could maybe interpret that question as needing the answer yes.
12a book. no
13. Something that the average hobbit would use frequently? Yes if the hobbits we know about are representative.

14 Is it Lobelia's umbrella? No but that shows you have interpreted my reservation re Q12 in the right sort of way.
15, Is it usually kept in a pocket. Yes that is a usual place to keep this sort of item

[Pitchwife]

OK then - is it a handkerchief? Like, say, the one Bilbo forgot to take along when he ran off with the Dwarves?

[Galadriel55]

Pitch's guess is probably correct, but if not - a pouch of pipeweed?

[Absinthe]

16 Pocket handkerchief? No
17, Pouch of pipeweed ? No

[Galadriel55]

Hmm. Some silver pennies or the like of them?

[Absinthe]

18 Silver pennies no...:(

[Galadriel55]

I don't know then...

A pipe?

[Absinthe]

It is a pipe - but which? :cool:

[Galadriel55]

Pippin's extra pipe that he gave to Gimli?

[Absinthe]

That's the one! And just on the wire. Your turn Galadriel. Well done. :D:

[Galadriel55]

Thanks!

Ask away!

[Absinthe]

Hmmm Person?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

A place?

[Galadriel55]

Person - no
Place - no

[Kyranger]

Object?

[Galadriel55]

Person - no
Place - no
Object - yup

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Is it a geographical feature (river, mountain, lake, etc.)?

[Galadriel55]

Person - no
Place - no
Object - yup
Geographical feature - no

[Absinthe]

Is the object portable? IE could be carried by one person of reasonable strength without great difficulty or awkwardness? (I wouldn't class a door as being portable since though I might be able to lift it I would have to unscrew it and it really needs two people to move it any distance)

[Galadriel55]

Person - no
Place - no
Object - yup
Geographical feature - no
Portable - yes, very portable. Consider this a hint.

[Kyranger]

Made by an Elf?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Can you hide it in your pocketses, we wonderss?

[Absinthe]

Carried by a character in Lord of the Rings?

[Galadriel55]

Person - no
Place - no
Object - yup
Geographical feature - no
Portable - yes.
Made by an Elf - very unikely.
Can you hide it in your pockets - sure, it would fit, if that's what you mean.
Carried by a character in LOTR - no

[Absinthe]

I have a hunch but I don't want to risk it just yet in case I am embarassingly wrong so...

Does it appear in the Hobbit?

[Galadriel55]

Person - no
Place - no
Object - yup
Geographical feature - no
Portable - yes.
Made by an Elf - very unikely.
Can you hide it in your pockets - sure, it would fit, if that's what you mean.
Carried by a character in LOTR - no
Appears in TH - yup! :D

[Kyranger]

Does Bilbo carry it?

[Absinthe]

Is it a tinderbox?

[Galadriel55]

Person - no
Place - no
Object - yup
Geographical feature - no
Portable - yes.
Made by an Elf - very unikely.
Can you hide it in your pockets - sure, it would fit, if that's what you mean.
Carried by a character in LOTR - no
Appears in TH - yup
Does Bilbo carry it - not a chance!
Tinderbox - nope

[Kyranger]

Does a dwarf carry it?

[Galadriel55]

Person - no
Place - no
Object - yup
Geographical feature - no
Portable - yes.
Made by an Elf - very unikely.
Can you hide it in your pockets - sure, it would fit, if that's what you mean.
Carried by a character in LOTR - no
Appears in TH - yup
Does Bilbo carry it - not a chance!
Tinderbox - nope
Does a dwarf carry that? - yes

[Blind Guardian]

Person - no
Place - no
Object - yup
Geographical feature - no
Portable - yes.
Made by an Elf - very unikely.
Can you hide it in your pockets - sure, it would fit, if that's what you mean.
Carried by a character in LOTR - no
Appears in TH - yup
Does Bilbo carry it - not a chance!
Tinderbox - nope
Does a dwarf carry that? - yes

Handkerchief? lol

[Pitchwife]

Is it a musical instrument?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Does Thorin Oakenshield carry it?

[Absinthe]

Thrain's map?

[Galadriel55]

Handkerchief - no
Musical instrument - no
Thrain's map - no

Does Thorin Oakenshield carry it? - YES! :D

[Kyranger]

The key that came with the map?

[Galadriel55]

They key that came with the map - no


Veeeeery close now. Not only this specific question, but the last few in general.

[Tuor in Gondolin]

The map itself?

[Galadriel55]

The map itself - no, I already answered that. For easier thinking, I'm posting all the questions and answers:

Person - no
Place - no
Object - yup
Geographical feature - no
Portable - yes.
Made by an Elf - very unikely.
Can you hide it in your pockets - sure, it would fit, if that's what you mean.
Carried by a character in LOTR - no
Appears in TH - yup
Does Bilbo carry it - not a chance!
Tinderbox - nope
Does a dwarf carry that? - yes
Handkerchief - no
Musical instrument - no
Thrain's map - no
Does Thorin Oakenshield carry it? - YES!
They key that came with the map - no

[Absinthe]

The chain around his neck that Thorin hangs the key on?

[Galadriel55]

The chain around his neck that Thorin hangs the key on?

Persicely! :D

[Absinthe]

Splendid! I have thought of something. Off you go...

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Person?

[Galadriel55]

Place?

[Absinthe]

Person? Yes
Place? No

[Galadriel55]

Is it a mortal?

[Absinthe]

Person? Yes
Place? No
---
Mortal? Yes

[Galadriel55]

Is it a Man?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Is it a good guy/girl?

[Absinthe]

Is it a Man? I assume the capital M means that you are asking if they are the Race of Men. Yes,

Good guy/ girl .Yes

[Galadriel55]

Was s/he born in the third age?

[Absinthe]

Born in the Third Age? Yes

[Galadriel55]

Of Numenorian descent?

[Absinthe]

Of Numenorean descent? I had a premonition this would be next - No.

[Galadriel55]

Does s/he live to the south of Isengard?

EDIT: just thought that one could travel on both sides of it. I want to change my question: Was s/he born south of Isengard?

[Absinthe]

Do you mean literally south of Isengard or south of a line drawn across the map at Isengard?

[Galadriel55]

Do you mean literally south of Isengard or south of a line drawn across the map at Isengard?

On a lattitude that is farther south, so the latter one.

[Absinthe]

Born south of Latitude of Isengard? Yes * (Most propably- almost certainly but this character's birthplace is not specified to my knowledge.

[Galadriel55]

Is it a Rohirrim person?

[Absinthe]

Of the Rohirrim? Yes

[Galadriel55]

Is it a man (not Man)?

[Absinthe]

He is both man and Man. :D

[Galadriel55]

Was he alive at the beginning of the War of the Ring?

[Absinthe]

Yes he was.

[Galadriel55]

Theoden?

[Absinthe]

Yes he was :)

Edit Sorry no this was a duplicate post because my computerr froze.... NOT Theoden

[Galadriel55]

Brilliant!

Ok, you can start asking...

[Absinthe]

Sorry I thought my answer hadn't posted. I didn't see Theoden, It isn't Theoden, He was born in Gondor.

Sorry I should have repeated the question but was lazy.

[Galadriel55]

Sorry I thought my answer hadn't posted. I didn't see Theoden, It isn't Theoden, He was born in Gondor.

Sorry I should have repeated the question but was lazy.

Oooops!


Eomer, then?

[Absinthe]

Not Eomer either.

[Galadriel55]

Elfhelm?

[Absinthe]

Yay,,,, Elfhelm it was. I suppose he might have been born in the Wold but I think I read he was a lord of the Eastfold before he became its Marshal. Anyway even though he was a wee bit disobedient, definitely one of the good guys.

[Galadriel55]

Alrighty! I have something in mind...

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Place?

[Galadriel55]

Place - no

[Mithalwen]

Living thing?

[Galadriel55]

Place - no
Living thing - erm... yes.

[Mithalwen]

Biped?

[Galadriel55]

Place - no
Living thing - yes
Biped - no

(good question! ;))

[Mithalwen]

Cheers ..now which way to go on the next - 2 routes....... hmm

Plant?

[Galadriel55]

Place - no
Living thing - yes
Biped - no
Plant - yes

[Mithalwen]

Ooh I jumped the right way...... now to narrow it most effectively .... my best guess would be tree?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Herb?

[Gil-Galad]

Rare / one-of-a-kind?

[Galadriel55]

Place - no
Living thing - yes
Biped - no
Plant - yes
Tree - yes
Herb - yes
Rare/one of a kind - definitely!

You're very close now!

[Mithalwen]

A tree and a herb?

[Galadriel55]

Oi! What was I doing? :o It is not a herb. Why did I write that? Thank you Mith for pointing this out!

Place - no
Living thing - yes
Biped - no
Plant - yes
Tree - yes
Herb - no
Rare/one of a kind - yes

[Mithalwen]

Does it feature in LOTR?

Don't worry about it... not an impossible combination I just couldn't reconcile the rarity too -it oculd have been a bay tree in Ithilien....

[Galadriel55]

Place - no
Living thing - yes
Biped - no
Plant - yes
Tree - yes
Herb - no
Rare/one of a kind - yes
Features in LOTR - no

[Mithalwen]

Is it the White tree the Eldar give Aldarion and Erendis as a wedding gift?

[Galadriel55]

Place - no
Living thing - yes
Biped - no
Plant - yes
Tree - yes
Herb - no
Rare/one of a kind - yes
Features in LOTR - no

Is it the White tree the Eldar give Aldarion and Erendis as a wedding gift? - no, but heading in the right direction. You're closer with every question!


When I said that it is not in LOTR, I meant that it does not play a part, but IIRC it is mentioned.

[Mithalwen]

Is it a named tree?

[Galadriel55]

Is it a named tree - yup

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Was it in Aman?

[Galadriel55]

Was it in Aman - indeed it was!

[Mithalwen]

Laurelin?

[Galadriel55]

Laurelin?

Exactly! :D Thread is yours!

[Mithalwen]

Gosh I was sure I would go for the wrong one.

Ok "Have at it" as they say across the water..

[Galadriel55]

Is it a person?

[Mithalwen]

Not a person.

[Galadriel55]

Place?

[Mithalwen]

Yes it is a place.

[Galadriel55]

Is it in ME?

[Mithalwen]

It is

[Pitchwife]

West of the Misty Mountains?

[Galadriel55]

South of (the lattitude of) Orthanc?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

North of Rohan?

[Mithalwen]

Yes to South of Orthanc (latitude
No to North of Rohan

[Galadriel55]

What about this one?

West of the Misty Mountains?


And my own question: Is it west of Anduin?

[Mithalwen]

Sorry Pitch. I missed that on the page break.

It is not west of the Misty Mountains . Wish I hadn't done a place now I have no sense of direction whatsoever. :rolleyes:
It isn't west of Anduin either.

[Galadriel55]

Is it in Ithilien?

[Mithalwen]

It is in Ithilien... which means I got all that tricksy east west stuff right... :rolleyes:

[Galadriel55]

Is it Henneth Annun?

[Mithalwen]

It is. Love the window on the west...

[Galadriel55]

Too easy? I don't think so. It's just that Henneth Annun is what I first think of when I hear "Ithilien".

I have a (hopefully) tricksy one in mind...

[Mithalwen]

Thing?

[Galadriel55]

Thing - no

[Mithalwen]

person?

[Galadriel55]

Thing - no
Person - no

[Kyranger]

Place?

[Galadriel55]

Thing - no
Person - no
Place - yes

[Mithalwen]

In Middle Earth?

[Galadriel55]

Thing - no
Person - no
Place - yes
In ME? - yes

[Tuor in Gondolin]

West of the Anduin?

[Galadriel55]

Thing - no
Person - no
Place - yes
In ME? - yes
West of Anduin - I'm tempted to say yes, but that would confuse everyone... so yesno.

[Mithalwen]

Ooh Couple of options spring to mind.. Tol Brandir?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

The Carrock?

[Galadriel55]

Thing - no
Person - no
Place - yes
In ME? - yes
West of Anduin - yesno
Carrock, Tol Brandir - neither

*evil laugh*

I will give clues if you need them, because I came up with something... unordinary. :D

[Pitchwife]

Anduin itself?

[Galadriel55]

Thing - no
Person - no
Place - yes
In ME? - yes
West of Anduin - yesno
Carrock, Tol Brandir - neither
Anduin itself - good guess, but no.

[Mithalwen]

Is it a place that wouldcould be shown named
on a map?

[Galadriel55]

Thing - no
Person - no
Place - yes
In ME? - yes
West of Anduin - yesno
Carrock, Tol Brandir - neither
Anduin itself - no
Labeled on a map - definitely!

[Kyranger]

Emyn Muil?

[Galadriel55]

Thing - no
Person - no
Place - yes
In ME? - yes
West of Anduin - yesno
Carrock, Tol Brandir - neither
Anduin itself - no
Labeled on a map - definitely!

Emyn Muil - another good guess, but no again.

[Mithalwen]

Falls of Rauros?

[Galadriel55]

Thing - no
Person - no
Place - yes
In ME? - yes
West of Anduin - yesno
Carrock, Tol Brandir - neither
Anduin itself - no
Labeled on a map - definitely!
Emyn Muil - no

Falls of Rauros - no

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Is it above the Fall of Rauros?

[Mithalwen]

And in case we are on the wrong course is it situated on the course of the River Anduin?

[Galadriel55]

Thing - no
Person - no
Place - yes
In ME? - yes
West of Anduin - yesno
Carrock, Tol Brandir - neither
Anduin itself - no
Labeled on a map - definitely!
Emyn Muil - no
Falls of Rauros - no

Is it above Rauros - yesno.

And in case we are on the wrong course is it situated on the course of the River Anduin?

Difficult to answer without giving it away. I guess another yesno will have to suffice.

As for the course, Emyn Muil was in the right direction.

And another hint: don't take Anduin as the center of everything. Don't concentrate on it too much.

[Mithalwen]

Try a different tack - is it "visited" by (a) member(s) of the fellowship during the Ring quest

[Galadriel55]

Thing - no
Person - no
Place - yes
In ME? - yes
West of Anduin - yesno
Carrock, Tol Brandir - neither
Anduin itself - no
Labeled on a map - definitely!
Emyn Muil - no
Falls of Rauros - no
Is it above Rauros - yesno.
Is it situated on the course of the River Anduin? - yesno...

is it "visited" by (a) member(s) of the fellowship during the Ring quest

Another difficult question... If I stick to the word "visited", then no... But If you say "Was a member of the fellowship in it during the War", then yes. All of them were.

[Mithalwen]

That is what I meant by visited - that someone was there rather than the place referred to... or somewhere that they probably been sometime but not that we know about.

[Galadriel55]

That is what I meant by visited - that someone was there rather than the place referred to... or somewhere that they probably been sometime but not that we know about.

So as I said, they all have been in that place...

[Mithalwen]

Yes and it is the ALL that is puzzling me!!!! Very tricksy.

[Mithalwen]

Rohan?

[Galadriel55]

Yes and it is the ALL that is puzzling me!!!! Very tricksy.

It's the plainest thing ever, and that's what is puzzling you.

I suggest looking at how Emyn Muil, in relation to Anduin, fits more than the others.

Also, pay attention to this:

Labeled on a map - definitely!

Every proper map of ME has it labeled. If not, then it's just against the "grammar rules" of map-making. ;)

[Galadriel55]

Thing - no
Person - no
Place - yes
In ME? - yes
West of Anduin - yesno
Carrock, Tol Brandir - neither
Anduin itself - no
Labeled on a map - definitely!
Emyn Muil - no
Falls of Rauros - no
Is it above Rauros - yesno.
Is it situated on the course of the River Anduin? - yesno...
Visited by a fellowship member - yes
Rohan - no

[Mithalwen]

I wouldn't knowI was useless at Geography (admittedly we only did Glaciated highlands and the Borneo Sumba) and have had the Journeys of Frodo at hand for a couple of days now....so I resort to UT...expand it further and try Rhovanion.

[Galadriel55]

You're overcomplicating it, Mith. You don't need any of these, including good geography knowledge (I'm not that good at it either). The answer was mentioned in passing, though you probably didn't realize it.

This is the biggest clue I can give.

[Mithalwen]

*whimpers*......... ok Reads through. No help. Back to basics. Is the place East of the Misty Mountains (longitude)?

[Galadriel55]

Thing - no
Person - no
Place - yes
In ME? - yes
West of Anduin - yesno
Carrock, Tol Brandir - neither
Anduin itself - no
Labeled on a map - definitely!
Emyn Muil - no
Falls of Rauros - no
Is it above Rauros - yesno.
Is it situated on the course of the River Anduin? - yesno...
Visited by a fellowship member - yes
Rohan - no

East of the Misty Mtns - yesno. Part of it is, but the other part isn't.



Edit: The name is clearly printed on this map, and that's saying something, considering the quality of the image...

http://www.lord-of-the-rings.org/collections/maps/map10%5B1%5D.jpg

[Mithalwen]

Not in Middle Earth but just Middle Earth? Only thing that has been refered to in passing that I can see?

[Galadriel55]

Not in Middle Earth but just Middle Earth? Only thing that has been refered to in passing that I can see?

Just ME it is! :D Quite a big place, isn't it? ;)

I'm sorry for choosing this unordinary thing, but I just couldn't resist it!

[Mithalwen]

I was getting to the point that I might have had to hunt you down and kill you!! :p Simple and tricksy too baffling. Right... well I'll give you a clue in return for all teh clues. It ISN'T a place!

[Galadriel55]

I was getting to the point that I might have had to hunt you down and kill you!! :p

I should never let a quiz game ruin my life like that again. ;)

Right... well I'll give you a clue in return for all teh clues. It ISN'T a place!

Thank you!

Is it alive?

[Mithalwen]

Quiz's awaken a normally dormant competitive streak.

Not alive, no

[Galadriel55]

Is it a manufactured object?

[Mithalwen]

Yes

[Galadriel55]

Is it made by an Elf?

[Mithalwen]

No

[Galadriel55]

Made by a Dwarf, then?

[Mithalwen]

Not made by a dwarf

[Pitchwife]

Is it a weapon?

[Mithalwen]

Not a weapon.

[Nerwen]

Is it something portable?

[Mithalwen]

Portable? Yes

[Galadriel55]

Made by a Man?

[Mithalwen]

Noooo. not made by a man.

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Made by a bad person/thing.

[Mithalwen]

No not made by a bad person or thing.

[Pitchwife]

Mady by an Ainu?

[Galadriel55]

Made by a hobbit?

[Mithalwen]

Made by an Ainu - yes
Hobbit - no

[Galadriel55]

Just had a random association when I read the last answers - is it the Ulumuri?

[Mithalwen]

Um I guess not because I can't for the life of me think what that is (so kudos for that). I'll goggle it and get back to you.

[Galadriel55]

Ulumuri are Ulmo's horns that were made by a maia Salmar....

Is it made by a maia?

[Mithalwen]

THat is what goggle told me too.... yes it was.

[Galadriel55]

Was it made by one of the Istari, then?

[Mithalwen]

Yes it was.

[Galadriel55]

It's not Saruman's Ring, erm, ring, by any chance?

[Mithalwen]

It isn't I'm afraid.

[Pitchwife]

Gandalf's fireworks, then?

[Mithalwen]

Nope

[Galadriel55]

Mith, are you trying to get revenge on me? ;)

Was it made in the 3rd age?

[Mithalwen]

No but I think you are over thinking this. If you continue to struggle there are a couple of points raised I could comment on which might help but I dont' think I have been misleading in my answers. It is third age.

[Galadriel55]

I'm overthinking? Typical. :D Really. It's a problem that I have with my teachers. :p

Was it Gandalf that made it?

[Mithalwen]

Gandalf is correct.

[Galadriel55]

*goes over Gandalf-making-things references*

It's not something like "flames", is it? :eek:

[Mithalwen]

No. I hope it is a case that you will kick yourself when you find out rather than think I have led you astray, Will check back and make sure I have been fair.

[Mithalwen]

No I my conscience is clear enough. I don't want to spoil it for you bey commenting on what I have already answered. You have scope still to close in on it.

[Galadriel55]

I just came upon this thought: is it the smoke-rings that he made so skillfully?

[Mithalwen]

I wouldn't call those portable - they move but you can't carry them from place to place. Clever but too clever?
Another guess before I go for the night?

[Galadriel55]

His letter to Frodo that Butterbur forgot to send?

[Mithalwen]

YEs!!!! I was going to say it was literally manufactured if you go back to the latin but you got there... and portability is the key

[Galadriel55]

Sweet! :D

OK, I have one, it probably won't be as difficult to guess...

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Person?

[Galadriel55]

Person - I would say yes.

[Mithalwen]

Character in Lord of the Rings?

[Galadriel55]

Person - I would say yes.
Character in LOTR - doesn't appear there, but is mentioned.

[Mithalwen]

Do they appear in another work? (as a character rather than a reference)

[Galadriel55]

Person - I would say yes.
Character in LOTR - doesn't appear there, but is mentioned

Do they appear in another work as a character (not reference) - I do not believe so. No.

Edit: might be in the UT or some HOME book, but I didn't read them as yet, so I can't say.

[Mithalwen]

Queen Beruthiel?

[Galadriel55]

Person - I would say yes.
Character in LOTR - doesn't appear there, but is mentioned
Do they appear in another work as a character (not reference) - I do not believe so. No.

Queen Beruthiel - great guess, but no.

[Pitchwife]

Is it NOT an elf, dwarf, Man, hobbit or Orc?

[Mithalwen]

Another shot in the twilight - Fimbrethil - Treebeard's lost love.

If you haven't read UT you are in for a treat, It is possibly my favourite for all the little snippets.

[Galadriel55]

Another shot in the twilight - Fimbrethil - Treebeard's lost love.

The shot in the twilight met its mark! :D That was quick! Your turn!

(Sorry, Pitch, but Mith got it)

[Mithalwen]

IT was the hesitation about person - and only being a reference. But no it was a good one. I would have said yes... ;) Clever.

Hmm what shall I go for... okies off you go..

[Galadriel55]

Is it a person?

[Mithalwen]

No, not a person

[Galadriel55]

A thing?

[Mithalwen]

YEs it is a thing - still geography averse!:p

[Galadriel55]

still geography averse!:p

Stop making me feel guilty! ;) :Merisu:

Is it made by a mortal?

[Mithalwen]

don't take it personally - I have notoriously poor sense of direction. My father threatened to have a tracking device fitted to my car when I passed the driving test. I struggle with left and right and well I won't humiliate myself by telling you of some of my misadventures - some of those who wander ARE lost....

Made by mortal - no (v.unlikely).

[Galadriel55]

Made in the 1st age?

[Mithalwen]

I wouldn't have thought so.

[Galadriel55]

How about the 2rd?

[Mithalwen]

Again unlikely . Less unlikely perhaps but still....

[Galadriel55]

Is it a weapon?

[Mithalwen]

No

[Galadriel55]

Does it have anything to do with food/drink?

[Mithalwen]

Not in itself no.

[Galadriel55]

Is it something one could wear?

[Mithalwen]

Yes and indeed someone does!

[Galadriel55]

A piece of jewelry?

[Mithalwen]

Not a piece of jewellery

[Galadriel55]

A Lorien Cloak?

But then there would be no doubt about mortals not taking part in making it...

[Mithalwen]

No but nice choice.

[Pitchwife]

Is it worn by a member of the Fellowship?

[Galadriel55]

Is it the shoes that Elrond supplied the Fellowship with?

[Mithalwen]

No and so no.. but nice subtle choice Galadriel...

[Galadriel55]

Does an elf wear it?

[Mithalwen]

Yes it is worn by an elf

[Mithalwen]

And it isn't Legolas' chuddies...:p

[Galadriel55]

Worn by a female?

[Mithalwen]

Yes it is worn by a female

[Galadriel55]

Arwen's wedding gown?

[/joking. Don't count question] :p

Galadriel's white dress? I don't recall any specific mention of clothing...

[Mithalwen]

No it is a described item....

[Galadriel55]

Arwen's dress, then, when Frodo first sees her at the feast in Rivendell?

[Mithalwen]

No but you are nearly there.

[Galadriel55]

Her soft grey raiment had no ornament save a girdle of leaves wrought in silver.

Is it the belt?

[Mithalwen]

Noooooooo...... not the belt....go on!

[Galadriel55]

The lace thing on her head?

[Mithalwen]

The lace cap or tressure yes... apparently (according to the reader's companion) they were what my great aunt would have called "all the go" for Elf women.

[Galadriel55]

Ok, I'm thinking of something...

[Mithalwen]

Place?