20 Questions on ME

[Elwe Singollo]

The sun? The Sun is counted a star in the real world so if you want the elvish name then Anar?

[Firefoot]

The Wain?

[Lhundulinwen]

I don't think this counts as being intangible but-
The light from Sting when orcs/goblins are around?

[Evisse the Blue]

The light from Sting when orcs/goblins are around? -No
The Wain? -No
The sun? The Sun is counted a star in the real world so if you want the elvish name then Anar?- No. I suppose the Sun is counted as a star, though

[Elwe Singollo]

The Valacirya?

[Elwe Singollo]

Soronúmë???

I'm really out of guesses here

[Evisse the Blue]

Soronúmë??? -No
The Valacirya? -No

You guys should try a different approach here. :D

[Firefoot]

mental states... hm.

Did it evoke a joyful mental state?

[NightKnight]

Morwinyon, AKA Arcturus?

[Celegorm]

Is it the star of "Smith of Wootton Major"?

[Elwe Singollo]

The Phial of Galadriel?

Its an item but it has starligh light and it is a different approach.

[Evisse the Blue]

Is it the star of "Smith of Wootton Major"? - No
Morwinyon, AKA Arcturus? - No (Never heard of these before, Nightknight. Forgive my ignorance - where are they mentioned?)
Did it evoke a joyful mental state? - Yes
The Phial of Galadriel? - No
Oh and it's not the moon either. :p

[NightKnight]

Eh...I found them on a homepage. :p

Is it a constellation?

[Celegorm]

Is it mentioned in the Sil?

[Firefoot]

Did it evoke an emotion in more than one person?

[Bombadil]

Is it the stars in a spirit-like embodiment of Elbereth? :rolleyes:

[Lhundulinwen]

Can it be held? *shrugs*

[Evisse the Blue]

Can it be held? *shrugs* - No.

Is it the stars in a spirit-like embodiment of Elbereth? - No (though that would have been a nice one ;) )

Did it evoke an emotion in more than one person? - No (that being: it evoked an emotion in only one person)

Is it mentioned in the Sil? -No

Is it a constellation? - No

You're getting close!

[NightKnight]

The star Sam saw in Mordor?

[Evisse the Blue]

Yep, it's the tiny star that brings hope to Sam that beauty is forever and the shadow is only a passing thing.

Congrats, Nightknight!
*hands Nightknight the gold medal* :D

[NightKnight]

Thank you, Evisse. When I saw "Did it evoke an emotion in more than one person? - No (that being: it evoked an emotion in only one person)", something just clicked. :D

Alright, start asking. :)

[Celegorm]

These riddles get more and more complex.
I like that! :D


First age?

[NightKnight]

First age? Yes

[Firefoot]

Third Age?

[Evisse the Blue]

Is it an event?

[Elwe Singollo]

Is it an item?

[Kath]

Is it a person?

[Sirithheruwen]

Is it a place?

[The Perky Ent]

Second Age?

[Thorongil]

Fourth Age?

[Fingolfin II]

Is it a weapon?

[NightKnight]

Third Age? Yes
Is it an event? No
Is it an item? Yes
Is it a person? No
Is it a place? No
Second Age? Yes
Fourth Age? Yes
Is it a weapon? No

At all the age-questions, I'm not totally sure, but I think so.

[Thorongil]

Is it a building/structure?

[The Perky Ent]

Has it come in contact with one of the fellowship?

[Firefoot]

Is it some kind of jewel/gem/jewelry?

[Mithalwen]

Aww..... I was going vaguely in the right direction with my sam's song and light of earendil ideas and then couldn't take it further..... very well done to the question setter and the Knight....

Hmm is the item portable (by which I mean: could it reasonably carried by one person; not is theoretically possible that a team of extra-strong dwarves could lug it around? ;) And if so, is it something that would be carried around (like an umbrella) rather than could be carried but isn't usually (like an umbrella stand)? ..... sorry if this is pedantic (and a little greedy having 2 questions in one!!!)

[Kath]

I don't know why but . . . is it a tree?

[Elwe Singollo]

Does it have magical properties?

[NightKnight]

Is it a building/structure? No
Has it come in contact with one of the fellowship? Possibly
Is it some kind of jewel/gem/jewelry? No
Hmm is the item portable (by which I mean: could it reasonably carried by one person; not is theoretically possible that a team of extra-strong dwarves could lug it around? No
is it a tree? No
Does it have magical properties? Sort of

[Evisse the Blue]

Did it exist before the First Age?

[The Perky Ent]

Was it made by elves?

[NightKnight]

Did it exist before the First Age? Yes
Was it made by elves? No

[The Perky Ent]

Made by Dwarves?

[NightKnight]

Made by Dwarves? No

[Firefoot]

Was it ever owned by an Elf?

[Mithalwen]

Was it made by "nature"or Eru/Ainur rather than something made by craft?

[Celegorm]

Is it mentioned in the Sil?

[Lhundulinwen]

Is it organic?
Does it inspire a feeling?

[NightKnight]

Was it ever owned by an Elf? No
Was it made by "nature"or Eru/Ainur rather than something made by craft? No
Is it mentioned in the Sil? I don't remember, but I don't think so
Is it organic? No
Does it inspire a feeling? No

[The Perky Ent]

Made by Men?

[Bombadil]

can it transport beings or help in travel?

[NightKnight]

Made by Men? No
can it transport beings or help in travel? No

[The Perky Ent]

Made by Hobbits?

[NightKnight]

Made by Hobbits? No

[Evisse the Blue]

Was it mentioned in LOTR?

[NightKnight]

Was it mentioned in LOTR? No

[Firefoot]

Was it in UT?

[NightKnight]

Was it in UT? Not sure, it's been a while since I read it.

[The Perky Ent]

Is it in the context of the Silmarilion?

[NightKnight]

Is it in the context of the Silmarilion? Kind of

[Celegorm]

So, is it mentioned in HoME?

[NightKnight]

So, is it mentioned in HoME? Yes

[Firefoot]

Is it made of metal?

[Mithalwen]

OK so to recap... not made by elves, men, hobbits, or dwarves, or Nature or ainur in "supernatural mode" ... aieee... orcs et alia don't really make do they?

Made through craft by one of the Ainur ?

[NightKnight]

Is it made of metal? Probably
Made through craft by one of the Ainur ? Yes

[Meneltarmacil]

Is it located in Valinor?

Does it taste good with hot sauce?

[Thorongil]

Was it made by Aulë?

[NightKnight]

Is it located in Valinor? Yes
Does it taste good with hot sauce? Only if you have a really weird taste
Was it made by Aulë? Yes

[Elwe Singollo]

Is it the Angainor?

[NightKnight]

Is it the Angainor? No

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

A dwelling of some Ainu, perchance?

[NightKnight]

A dwelling of some Ainu, perchance? No

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Then what is it?!

Nil, that's the object of this thread. You guess what is it.

Oh. Yeah. I knew that.

The Door of Night?

[NightKnight]

The Door of Night? No

Your other self has a point there. ;)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Of course. Else this fool would have been long dead.

Shut up, Adam.

Anyway, is it related to an opening connecting Arda to the Void?

[NightKnight]

Anyway, is it related to an opening connecting Arda to the Void? No

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

So...

Is it larger than a hobbit?

[NightKnight]

Is it larger than a hobbit? Yes

[Sirithheruwen]

Was it made by one of the Istari?

[Firefoot]

Welcome back, Nil!

Did the making of it involve more than one Ainu?

[NightKnight]

Was it made by one of the Istari? No
Did the making of it involve more than one Ainu? No

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

So, let's get on with this...


You said "Angainor" was wrong, but that was the later version found in the Silm. Would Angainu be correct?

[NightKnight]

Would Angainu be correct? No

[Fingolfin II]

Is it Middle-Earth itself?

[NightKnight]

Is it Middle-Earth itself? No

Wouldn't that be created by Eru?

[Fingolfin II]

I thought Middle Earth was raised by Aule....anyway, is it made of metal?

[Firefoot]

Was it made before the Elves were found by the Valar?

[NightKnight]

anyway, is it made of metal? Yes
Was it made before the Elves were found by the Valar? Yes

[Firefoot]

Is it tilkal?

[NightKnight]

Is it tilkal? No

[Firefoot]

Does it have anything to do with Angaino?

[NightKnight]

Does it have anything to do with Angaino? No

[The Perky Ent]

Woah! This is really weird. I looked at the page number, and it said 40! Did I miss something, because I thought 11 was the limit? Anyways, I feel very strongly that this is wrong, but is it Illuin or Ormal?

[Sirithheruwen]

Ha! I know, scared me too! You can find the answer HERE (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=10787).

:D

[The Perky Ent]

Thank you very much Sirithheruwen! Coinsidentally, I stumbled upon it about 5 seconds before your post :D I personally don't like the merger. Makes it too hard to find your place. Easier to mangae in 11 in my opinon. Alas, it is not my opinion that matters. Anyways, thanks!

[NightKnight]

Anyways, I feel very strongly that this is wrong, but is it Illuin or Ormal? No

Your feelings were right. ;)

[The Perky Ent]

Just using the force ;) Anyways, another long shot, but....is it the vessle Aule made for Anar and Isil?

[NightKnight]

Anyways, another long shot, but....is it the vessle Aule made for Anar and Isil? No

So, you're a jedi, eh? Do you have a lightsaber? :p

[Firefoot]

I'm sure Eowyn Skywalker would be happy to hear that. ;)

Does it have anything to do with light?

[The Perky Ent]

As a matter of fact, I do have a lightsaber. It's purple! Although, the handle stinks. I need to borrow one from Eowyn Skywalker ;) Anyways, is it Arda?

[NightKnight]

Does it have anything to do with light? Yes
Anyways, is it Arda? No

[Firefoot]

Does it have anything to do with stars?

[NightKnight]

Does it have anything to do with stars? Yes

[The Perky Ent]

Does it involve Varda?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

The ships the stars were put in? Or something like that?

[NightKnight]

Does it involve Varda? Yes
The ships the stars were put in? Or something like that? No

[Evisse the Blue]

Was it used more than once?

[Celegorm]

The sparks that sprang from Aulës anvil and became Stars?

[NightKnight]

Was it used more than once? Yes
The sparks that sprang from Aulës anvil and became Stars? No

[Evisse the Blue]

Is it a tool?

[Firefoot]

The cauldron Kulullin or Silindrin?

[NightKnight]

Is it a tool? No
The cauldron Kulullin or Silindrin? YES!!!

Phew, that took long. It was Silindrin I had in mind. Firefoot, you're up. :)

[The Perky Ent]

And the mighty Firefoot takes the cake! Anyways, is it living?

[Firefoot]

I love this game. :)

Anyways, is it living? No

[Bombadil]

Is it an item?

[The Perky Ent]

Is it a place?

[Thorongil]

Is it an event?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

First Age?

[Fingolfin II]

Is it a weapon?

[Evisse the Blue]

Third Age?

[NightKnight]

I love it too. ;)

Second Age?

[Firefoot]

Is it an item? Yes
Is it a place? No
Is it an event? No
First Age? No
Is it a weapon? No
Third Age? Yes
Second Age? Probably

[Bombadil]

Is it larger than a man?

[Firefoot]

Is it larger than a man? No

[Carnimírië]

Is it metal?

[Firefoot]

Is it metal? Yes

[Carnimírië]

Is it a ring?

[Firefoot]

Is it a ring? No

[Elwe Singollo]

Does it have magical properties?

[Bombadil]

Is it wearable?

[Lhundulinwen]

Edible?
A tool?

[Firefoot]

Does it have magical properties? No
Is it wearable? No
Edible? No
A tool? No

[The Perky Ent]

Was it ever in the posession of a member of the fellowship?

[Firefoot]

Was it ever in the posession of a member of the fellowship? No

[The Perky Ent]

Owned by a elf?

[Firefoot]

Owned by a elf? Yes

[The Perky Ent]

Owned by a hobbit?

[Firefoot]

Owned by a hobbit? No

[The Perky Ent]

Owned by a man?

[Firefoot]

Owned by a man? No

[Carnimírië]

Did it have jewels on it?
Edit: Yay! My third day being dead, and I'm a Haunting Spirit!

[The Perky Ent]

Congrats! Has it been owned by a dwarf?

[Firefoot]

Did it have jewels on it? No
Has it been owned by a dwarf? No

[The Perky Ent]

Was it a gift?

[Firefoot]

Was it a gift? No

[The Perky Ent]

Was it used against evil?

[Carnimírië]

Was it round?

[Thorongil]

That water bottle thingy of Galadriel? I don't know exactly what those are called, but I think it was made of metal.

[Evisse the Blue]

Carnimírië - your sig :D :D

Was it made by elves?

[Elwe Singollo]

Was it still in existance at the end of the Third Age.

[AngalotWen]

Did the elf who owned it create it?

[Firefoot]

Was it used against evil? Yes
Was it round? No
That water bottle thingy of Galadriel? No
Was it made by elves? Yes
Was it still in existance at the end of the Third Age. Yes
Did the elf who owned it create it? No

[AngalotWen]

Used for protection?

[Firefoot]

Used for protection? No

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is it still in Middle-earth by the end of the Third Age?

[Firefoot]

Is it still in Middle-earth by the end of the Third Age? Yes

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Did a Noldo create it?

[NightKnight]

Does it have anything to do with light?

[Firefoot]

Did a Noldo create it? No
Does it have anything to do with light? No

[NightKnight]

Is it in LotR?

[Thorongil]

Did a Noldo own it?

[Firefoot]

Is it in LotR? No
Did a Noldo own it? No

[Bombadil]

is it in the silmarillion?

[The Perky Ent]

After the third age, does it reside in Minas Tirith?

[Firefoot]

is it in the silmarillion? No
After the third age, does it reside in Minas Tirith? No

[Bombadil]

in the hobbit?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Did it appear in the Unfinished Tales?

[Firefoot]

in the hobbit? Yes
Did it appear in the Unfinished Tales? No

[Elwe Singollo]

Could it be the keys that Bilbo stole from the Guard to get the Dwarves out of the Dungeons?

[Firefoot]

*applauds* That's it!

[The Perky Ent]

applauds? anyways, living?

[Elwe Singollo]

yay. Never thought i would get that.

Ok start guessing.

[Firefoot]

Third Age?

[THE Ka]

Okay, i have an idea...

Was it around the beginning of the first age, did it have wings, claws of steel and was it reinhabited by something or someone who used to live in Angmar?

[Elwe Singollo]

Third Age? Yes

Was it around the beginning of the first age? Yes

Did it have wings, claws of steel and was it reinhabited by something or someone who used to live in Angmar? None

[Bombadil]

look up Elwe, I think Perky asked one, and is it an item?

[Firefoot]

Is it a place?

[Elwe Singollo]

Living? No

Is it an item? Yes

Is it a place?No

[NightKnight]

Is it made of metal?

[Elwe Singollo]

Is it made of metal? No

[Firefoot]

Was it owned by an Elf?

[Elwe Singollo]

Was it owned by an elf? No

[Firefoot]

Was it owned by a Man?

[Elwe Singollo]

Was it ownes by a man? No

[The Perky Ent]

Owned by a hobbit?

[Bombadil]

owned by dwarf?

[Elwe Singollo]

Owned by a Hobbit? No

Owned by a Dwarf? No

[The Perky Ent]

Owned by a maia?

[Elwe Singollo]

Owned by a Maia? No

[Bombadil]

Did any being have a claim to ownership of it, or could it be owned at all?

[Elwe Singollo]

Did any being have a claim to ownership of it? Yes

Or could it be owned at all? Yes

[AngalotWen]

Owned by an ent?

[Elwe Singollo]

Owned by an ent? No

I don't actually know of an item being oensoned in the possesion of an Ent off the top of my head.

[AngalotWen]

me neither.. But i had to ask :)

[Firefoot]

Owned by a Vala?

[Elwe Singollo]

Owned by a Vala? Yes

[The Perky Ent]

Owned by Aulë?

[Firefoot]

Owned by Manwë?

[Elwe Singollo]

Owned by Aulë? No

Owned by Manwë? Yes

[Fingolfin II]

That sapphire-blue thing that the Elves made for Manwe? I can't remember what it was- was it his rod or raiment?

[Elwe Singollo]

Its called the Sceptre of Manwe. Anyway. Your turn I suppose Fingolfin. I would have liked it to go on a bit longer but i spose we can't have everything.

I'm going away tomorrow for a few days so would not be able to post the answers to guesses so its probably best that someone else does it.

[Fingolfin II]

Ok, well you can start asking :).

[AngalotWen]

Is it an item?

[Fingolfin II]

Is it an item? No

[Firefoot]

Third Age?

[The Perky Ent]

Living?

[NightKnight]

First Age?

[Bombadil]

is it an event?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

A person?

[Fingolfin II]

Third Age? No
Living? Yes
First Age? No
is it an event? No
Person? Yes

EDIT: Nil just posted before me.

[NightKnight]

Is it a Numenorean?

[Fingolfin II]

Is it a Numenorean? No

[NightKnight]

An elf?

[Fingolfin II]

An Elf? Yes

[Firefoot]

Was he/she slain in the Last Alliance?

[Fingolfin II]

Was he/she slain in the Last Alliance? No

[Firefoot]

Is he/she a Noldorin Elf?

[Celegorm]

Dit this Elf live before the First age?

[NightKnight]

Finwë?

[Bombadil]

Second age?

[The Perky Ent]

Could this elf be feminen?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Sindar?

[Fingolfin II]

Dit this Elf live before the First age? Yes
Second age? No
Could this elf be feminen? No
Sindar? No
Finwë? YES!!

I thought I could fool you with an easy-hard one. Obviously not, you're up NightKnight ;).

[NightKnight]

Hehe. Only elf I could think of that didn't live in neither 1st nor 3rd age. :p

Ask on. :)

[Sirithheruwen]

Third Age?

[Firefoot]

Living?

[NightKnight]

Third Age? Most likely
Living? No

[Firefoot]

Object?

[Bombadil]

place?

[NightKnight]

Object? No
place? Yes

[Bombadil]

Was it inhabited?

[Firefoot]

Is it an island?

[The Perky Ent]

Did it become part of the Reunited Kingdom?

[The Saucepan Man]

Is it in the Undying Lands?

[NightKnight]

Was it inhabited? Yes
Is it an island? No
Did it become part of the Reunited Kingdom? No
Is it in the Undying Lands? Yes

[Firefoot]

Is it a city?

[Bombadil]

Was it an elven city?

[NightKnight]

Is it a city? No
Was it an elven city? No

I'll be away over the weekend, be back on Monday. You can either wait for me to answer questions then, or start a new one. :)

[The Perky Ent]

Is it Ezellohar?

[Firefoot]

Formenos?

[Bombadil]

Halls Of Mandos?

[Elwe Singollo]

The Gardens of Lorien?

[THE Ka]

Third Age? Yes

Was it around the beginning of the first age? Yes

Did it have wings, claws of steel and was it reinhabited by something or someone who used to live in Angmar? None

So, i guess it wasn't Thuringwethil... That's who i was refering to. Oh, well.

[NightKnight]

Is it Ezellohar? No
Formenos? No
Halls Of Mandos? No
The Gardens of Lorien? No

[The Perky Ent]

Is it Ungoliants lair?

[Firefoot]

Taniquetil?

[NightKnight]

Is it Ungoliants lair? No
Taniquetil? No

[The Perky Ent]

It's a long shot, but Aman?

[NightKnight]

It's a long shot, but Aman? Nope

I think it's time for some narrowing down questions. :p

[The Perky Ent]

Is it the Pelori?