20 Questions on ME

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

One of the Rohirric horses? Sorta . . .
Asfaloth? No

[Samwise]

Bill the pony?

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Hasufel?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Bill the pony? No
Hasufel? Nope

[Firefoot]

Stybba?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Stybba? Nope

[Firefoot]

Felarof?

[Taralphiel]

Sorta a Rohirric horse...*thinks* I'll take a random guess?

Shadowfax?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Firefoot has it. I was looking for Felarof.

Your turn. :)

[Firefoot]

Um... okay. Got it.

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Living?

[Firefoot]

Living? Yes

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Third Age? :D

[Tuor of Gondolin]

kelvar?

[Firefoot]

Third Age? Nope
kelvar? No

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

First Age?

[Firefoot]

First Age? Yes

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Person?

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Lived mostly or all of the time
west of the Anduin?

[Firefoot]

Person? Yes
Lived mostly or all of the time west of the Anduin? Yes

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Good guy/girl?

[Firefoot]

Good guy/girl? Yes

[Elu Ancalime]

Guy as in man? (the race)
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[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Lived in Beleriand all his/her life?

[Firefoot]

Guy as in man? (the race) No
Lived in Beleriand all his/her life? Yes

[Tuor of Gondolin]

A Noldo?

[Firefoot]

A Noldo? No

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Mortal?

[Firefoot]

Mortal? No

[Tuor in Gondolin]

A maia?

[Firefoot]

A maia? No

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Nellas?

Did she live in Doriath?

[Firefoot]

Nellas? No
Did s/he live in Doriath? Yes

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Did the elf person approve of Turin?

[Firefoot]

Did the elf person approve of Turin? No

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

:D

Saeros?

[Firefoot]

Sure thing. :cool: Your go.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

:D

Okay, I got one.

[Firefoot]

Third Age?

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Second Age?

[Numenorean]

First Age?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

First Age? No
Second Age? Yes
Third Age? Yes

BIG clue. :cool:

[Firefoot]

Place?

[Tuor of Gondolin]

West of the Anduin?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Place? Nu-uh
West of the Anduin? Definitely

[Tuor in Gondolin]

A wizard?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

EDIT: Third Age? No

That's why the BIG clue. I'm really sorry for the confusion.

Enedwaith . . .

A wizard? No

[Numenorean]

An Elf-friend?

[Firefoot]

Object?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

An Elf-friend? Ummm . . . no
Object? Nope

[Firefoot]

King/Queen?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

A Numenorean?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

King/Queen? Nope.
A Numenorean? Hmmm, let's say immigrant, so yes, sorta.

[Firefoot]

Did s/he die before Numenor sank?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Did s/he die before Numenor sank? No idea

Erm, we missed a lot of narrowing questions here. We have a saying in Filipino, 'Maraming namamatay sa maling akala.' In English, 'Assumptions kill.'

Hint hint. ;)

[Firefoot]

Did s/he ever live in Numenor?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Did s/he ever live in Numenor? Yes

[Firefoot]

Um... the pair of birds the Elves gave to Erendis?

A person?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Um... the pair of birds the Elves gave to Erendis? No.
A person? No.

[Tuor in Gondolin]

The tree Aldarion promised treehugger Erendis
he wouldn't chop down to make more ships? :)

[Firefoot]

Animal(s)?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

The tree Aldarion promised treehugger Erendis
he wouldn't chop down to make more ships? :) I need the name.

[Tuor of Gondolin]

I've searched but so far haven't found a specific
name. Perhaps someone else can find it?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

It's Ancalimë.

Oh, and the thread is yours. :)

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Thanks. So, who named the tree Ancalime?
And was it in the Silmarillion or UT?

And a new item is available for guesses.

[Numenorean]

Well I'm a bit slow with this Tuor, but Anardil Aldarion names the tree in Unfinished Tales (P.202 of my edition):

"In its slow Elven growth it was yet but twelve feet high, straight, slender, youthful, now budded with its winter flowers upon upheld branches pointing to the sky. It recalled to him his daughter, and he said: 'I will call you also Ancalimë. May you and she stand so in long life, unbent by wind or will, and unclipped!'

And for the current question: Is it sentient?

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Is it sentient?
Yes.

P.S. I was thinking the actual tree
Aldarion was alluding to was one different from
the elf gift, a native of Numenor that they encountered
when out riding. Thanks for the note, Numenorean .

[Firefoot]

Third Age?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Sorry, Tuor. I though you meant that time Aldarion razed the forest near his home, save for Ancalimë.

*shrug* Oh, well.

First Age?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Oops! :o

Third Age? Yes. Highly probable.

First Age? No.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Second Age?

[Firefoot]

Man (as in race)?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Third Age? Yes. Highly probable.
First Age? No.
Second Age? Yes.
Man (as in race)? No.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Living?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Living?
Yes.

[Firefoot]

Elf?

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Third Age? Yes. Highly probable.
First Age? No.
Second Age? Yes.
Man (as in race)? No.
Living? Yes.
Elf? No.

[Gil-Galad]

Olvar?

[Elu Ancalime]

Auinu?
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[Firefoot]

Dwarf?

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Third Age? Yes. Highly probable.
First Age? No.
Second Age? Yes.
Man (as in race)? No.
Living? Yes.
Elf? No.
Dwarf? No.
Auinu? No.
Olvar? No.

What could it be? Yess. We wonders, preciouss.
Is it tricksy? Is it scrumptious? Is it good to eat?
We knows, but we won't say, oh no.
They'll have to guess.

[Firefoot]

Ent?

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Ent?
An astute guess. Showing a
knowledge of early Middle-earth ages.
But...no. :(

[Gil-Galad]

Snow-men of Forochel(i think) ?


EDIT: that i do Firefoot... many thanks again

[Firefoot]

Evil?

Gil, I think you mean Forochel...

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Ent?
Nope.

Snow-men of Forochel
No.

Evil?
Not so.

[Elu Ancalime]

Plant? :confused:

Thorondir???
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[Tuor in Gondolin]

Plant?
No.
Thorondir???
No.

Yes. This is tricksy, precious. They canst figure
it out.

But is it a legitimate poser, we wonders.

Yesss. But will they cheats by insisting on asking
several questions , like Thief Baggins?

(Further questions can be asked, but I probably
won't get to them before Tuesday).

[Firefoot]

;) We likes tricksy questions, yes.

Does it have a gender (not is it known; does it have one)?

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Does it have a gender (not is it known; does it have one)?

Yes. It/they do.

[Firefoot]

Is it a single living thing rather than a group?

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Is it a single living thing rather than a group?

No. It's a group. (That should be a bit of a hint).

[Firefoot]

Was any part of it ever in Numenor?

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Was any part of it ever in Numenor?

Yes. At least some of the group was definitely in Numenor.

[Firefoot]

Are the members of the group able to talk?

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Are the members of the group able to talk?
Yes.

[Firefoot]

Is it in the Sil?

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Cheap question...
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Is it in the Sil?

Actually a rather good question. But I don't have The
Silmarillion with me so I'll have to check later to see
whether I located the topic there or in another work,
and if I didn't find it in The Silmarillion, is a mention also in
The Silmarillion.

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Okay. I've checked Firefoot 's question and,
as far as I can see it's not in The Silmarillion. I
found the reference in another work.

Btw, as a general rule I think it would be too easy
and mechanical to allow questions as to what book
something is in, since it could progress to "Is it in a
given chapter?", "Between pages so-and-so?", etc. But
in this case I'd say it's a valid line of question, especially
since the group/incident I'm thinking of is only mentioned,
as far as I can determine, in one not overly obvious place,
although it is a valid bit.

Third Age? Yes. Highly probable.
First Age? No.
Second Age? Yes.
Man (as in race)? No.
Living? Yes.
Elf? No.
Dwarf? No.
Auinu? No.
Olvar? No.
Ent? Nope.
Snow-men of Forochel No.
Evil? Not so.
Plant? No.
Thorondir??? No.
Does it have a gender (not is it known; does it have one)?
Yes. It/they do.
Is it a single living thing rather than a group? No. It's a group.
Was any part of it ever in Numenor?
Yes. At least some of the group was definitely in Numenor.
Are the members of the group able to talk? Yes.
In The Silmarillion? No.

[Firefoot]

I don't think it's ever gotten quite that specific. Asking about the book is usually about as specific as I've seen it go. :)

Not in the Sil, then... UT?

I hope so...

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Not in the Sil, then... UT?
YES! :cool:

But it's still tricksy. If you're trawling for it be warned, it took
me almost half an hour yesterday to "refind" it.

[Firefoot]

Peachy... (strange word, that.)

Did any of the group ever have contact with Aldarion?

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Did any of the group ever have contact with Aldarion?

As the elves might say, both yes and no.
Let's say a subset of the group did, but I'm
thinking of another event involving a subset of the group,
and not including all of the former group that had contact
with Aldarion. (wish I knew what I just said) :)

Look. It happened later! :D

ENORMOUS HINT (well, sort of)
What was the nature of this group? Who were they?

[Firefoot]

Hm...

Are they a group because of what sort of thing (creature? race?) they are?

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Are they a group because of what sort of thing (creature? race?) they are?
Yes. They're all of the same race.

But what could it be, we wonders. Isn't man, or hobbit,
or nassty elves with bright swords, or entses,
or Snow-men's, is it, preciouss?

[Firefoot]

Are they mortal?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Are they mortal?
Yes.

[Firefoot]

Are they significant in any wars?

[Valier]

Are they Spiders?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Are they significant in any wars?
As the elves would say, both yes and no. :D

They are enemies and fighters against especially orcs, but
I don't believe there are reports that they ever
fought in large scale wars.

Are they Spiders?
No. :eek:

[Firefoot]

I should have asked this a long time ago.

The Druedain?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

I should have asked this a long time ago.

The Druedain?

Yes. And yes.
But a more specific answer is required. :)

[Firefoot]

The Druedain that came west with the Atani?

[The Saucepan Man]

Man (as in race)? No.

The Druedain?

Yes.Eh?

That prevented me asking this a long time ago. :rolleyes:

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Man (as in race)? No.

Quote:
The Druedain?

Yes.

Eh?


I understand. But it seemed to me to answer "yes"
would have been more deceptive. Even in UT
it seems a grey area. While they were admitted to the rank of the Atani,
it also says: The strangest of all the customs of the Folk of Haleth was the presence among them of people of a wholly different kind, the like of which the other Atani had evers een before....(and) They were considered a race apart. Despite the views of the Elder, it seems a question whether they
were, indeed, a seperate free people. Could there even be interbreeding?

[Firefoot]

Yeah, that's sort of what I thought, too, Sauce. The other thing that has me going is the "First Age? No."

[The Saucepan Man]

Despite the views of the Elder, it seems a question whether they
were, indeed, a seperate free people.The clue is in the name:

Druedain

;)

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Well, then. Anyone who's interested can continue
this game. I suggest Firefoot.

[Firefoot]

Okay, guess away...

[Mettare]

Is it alive?

[Gil-Galad]

1st age?

[The Perky Ent]

Can it be eaten? :smokin:

[Firefoot]

Is it alive? No
1st age? Yes
Can it be eaten? No

[Gil-Galad]

Words?(song, chant, saying etc.)

[Firefoot]

Words?(song, chant, saying etc.) No

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Jewellery ?

[The Perky Ent]

Can it be dragged by a single human being.

[Gil-Galad]

Physical?

[Firefoot]

Jewellery ? No
Can it be dragged by a single human being. Yes
Physical? Yes

[Mettare]

Is it a natural thing i.e. not made/crafted?

[Firefoot]

Is it a natural thing i.e. not made/crafted? No

[Mettare]

Is it made of metal?

[Samwise]

Is it a sword?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Is it made of wood?

[Firefoot]

Honestly... your guess is as good as mine. (This was two years ago...) Anyone who wants it can have it.

[Nerwen]

Well, here goes then:

I'M THINKING ABOUT SOMETHING!

(Doesn't happen often...)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is it tangible?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Is it mineral?

[Nerwen]

1. Is it tangible? Yes.
2. Is it mineral? Yes.

[Eönwë]

Is it made of metal?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Is it artificial?

[Nerwen]

3. Is it artificial? Yes.
4. Is it made of metal? Yes.

[TheGreatElvenWarrior]

Was it the Ring of Power?

[Nerwen]

5. Was it the Ring of Power? No.

Did you think I'd be that obvious?:rolleyes:

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is it fixed?

[Nerwen]

6. Is it fixed? No.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Was it made during the 3rd age?

[Nerwen]

7. Was it made during the 3rd age? No.

[TheGreatElvenWarrior]

5. Was it the Ring of Power? No.

Did you think I'd be that obvious?:rolleyes:No, just a guess!

Was it something creatures fought over?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Did it exist during the Third Age?

[Nerwen]

8. Was it something creatures fought over? Yes.

(Hint: not as a rule, though... but someone did get killed for possessing it).

[Nerwen]

9. Did it exist during the Third Age? Yes.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Was it created by Elves?

[Nerwen]

10. Was it created by Elves? Yes.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Was it owned by a Man?

[Nerwen]

11. Was it owned by a Man? Yes.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

The Ring of Barahir?

[Nerwen]

You've got it!

Nice work, Nilp.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

:)

Start asking!

[Nerwen]

Is it a person?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is it a person? No

[Nerwen]

Is it an object?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is it a person? No

Is it an object? No

I do have to warn you, it's a tad tricksy, this one. ;)

[Nerwen]

So it's not a place, then?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is it a person? No

Is it an object? No

So it's not a place, then? Not a place

[Nerwen]

Is it alive?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is it a person? No

Is it an object? No

So it's not a place, then? Not a place

Is it alive? No

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Odd. In that case...

Is it Eru?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is it a person? No
Is it an object? No
So it's not a place, then? Not a place
Is it alive? No

Is it Eru? No. :p Technically he is a person . . . I think . . . I may need one of the latter HoMEs to prove that . . .

[Nerwen]

Was it created by someone (other than Eru)?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Is it Eru? No. :p Technically he is a person . . . I think . . . I may need one of the latter HoMEs to prove that . . .

Yes, I think it seems more like he is a person... however I wanted to check just to be sure.

Is it (or to make it more global: can it be, theoretically), hmm, in the form of sound?

[Nerwen]

Nilp, where are you?

It can't be taking you this long to eat your own pancreas, can it?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Is it a a law or ban of some sort?

[Nerwen]

Yes!

The rules are set out in the Unwritten Code of the Barrow Downs, which also states that anyone who displays ignorance of the Pancreas Eating Law shall fall under the said law's jurisdiction.

Here's a knife and fork.

[TheGreatElvenWarrior]

Was it made?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Is it the "Young man, if you put one foot on
Aman you'll be in soooo much trouble!"

That is, the Ban of the Valar?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is it a person? No
Is it an object? No
So it's not a place, then? Not a place
Is it alive? No
Is it Eru? No

Is it (or to make it more global: can it be, theoretically), hmm, in the form of sound? Yes
Was it created by someone (other than Eru)? At first sight, Yes

(Well, there goes the tricksiness. :p )

It can't be taking you this long to eat your own pancreas, can it? Well, I had a splendidly spiced sample of my own spleen as entrée first. ;)
Is it a a law or ban of some sort? No
Was it made? As in brought into existence by someone's will? Yes
That is, the Ban of the Valar? Please try again :p

[Nerwen]

What about the Music of the Ainur?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

What about the Music of the Ainur? (Nerwen)Yes, it is that. :)

Your turn.

[Nerwen]

I'm thinking of something...

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Vegetable?

[Nerwen]

No.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is it alive?

[Nerwen]

Yes.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

A mortal?

[Nerwen]

No.

[Dimturiel]

An Elf then?

[Nerwen]

Yes.

[Eönwë]

Was he dead by the 4th age?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Male?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Did he/she live in Beleriand?

[Nerwen]

5.Was he dead by the 4th age? Yes.
6.Male? Yes.
7.Did he/she live in Beleriand? Yes.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Did he die in the Third Age?

[Nerwen]

8. No.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Did he die in the First Age?

[Nerwen]

9. Yes.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is he of the Calaquendi?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Did he mainly reside east of the Sirion?

[Nerwen]

10. Is he of the Calaquendi? No.
11. Did he mainly reside east of the Sirion? Yes.

[skip spence]

Is he a son of Feanor?

[Nerwen]

I'll let you have that one again– see question 10.

[skip spence]

Ah yes, the Calaquendi are the elves of Aman, aren't they? :o

Was he of the Green Elves or the Nandor then?

[Nerwen]

12. No.

[skip spence]

Did he ever come to Gondolin?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Is he Maeglin?

[Eönwë]

Is it Eöl?

[Nerwen]

Is it Eöl? Yes.

Well done, Eönwë!

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Eönwë?

[Eönwë]

I don't have much time, so I'll pass it on to whoever wants it.

[Tuor in Gondolin]

I'm ready. First question is...?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is it alive?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

#1 Is it alive?

Nope.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is it tangible?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

#2 Is it tangible?

Good question. I'd say No.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Interessant . . .

Was it created?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

#3 Was it created?

Somewhat difficult to answer, certainly not as a yes
or no answer. I'd say "it" isn't created as such,
although it's particular existence in the "story" is
related to some creation. (Ooh, that sounds oracular
enough to be at Delphic)! And when the answer is
revealed, rather mundane.

[TheGreatElvenWarrior]

Is it round?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

So it's not a law, nor a music, nor a tale (the written account, ich meine) . . .

Hmmm, did it exist during, say, the First Age?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

So it's not a law, nor a music, nor a tale (the written account, ich meine) . . .
Correct.

#4 Hmmm, did it exist during, say, the First Age?
No. Not during the First Age.

[Nerwen]

Did it exist during the Second Age?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

The Flame Imperishable? :D

[Tuor in Gondolin]

#5 Did it exist during the Second Age?

No.

#6 The Flame Imperishable?

No.

[Eönwë]

Tom Bombadil?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

#6 Tom Bombadil?

Nope.

I'd say it's too soon for specific guesses.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Did this ethereal 'it' come into contact with any of the Valar?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

#7
No.

And a clarification: the "it" is rather
pedestrian, and while insubstantial,
is tangible. Sorry for possible confusion,
but I'm trying to be accurate without
giving too much away.
(Hint, granted a tiny one) Hmm, not in the
First or Second Age,so what Age
could it be?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Hmm, not in the
First or Second Age,so what Age
could it be? (tuor)

So it could be in the Third Age, Fourth Age, or the time before the Ages. :p

Is it, perhaps, a wind of some sort?

[Lindale]

#3 Was it created?

Somewhat difficult to answer, certainly not as a yes
or no answer. I'd say "it" isn't created as such,
although it's particular existence in the "story" is
related to some creation. (Ooh, that sounds oracular
enough to be at Delphic)! And when the answer is
revealed, rather mundane.

The Deeps of time?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

#8

Is it, perhaps, a wind of some sort?
Not a wind as such, but you're on the right track.
You might say it can be wind assisted.
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#9 The Deeps of time?
No. Much more mundane.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

The spirit of Saruman?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

#9
The spirit of Saruman?

Nope. But you are correct
that it's in the Third Age.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

The spirit of Sauron, then?

Or am I barking at[sic] the wrong tree? Rarf!

[Tuor in Gondolin]

No. Way off. It's tangible. Try to narrow it down (by area, time,
or person?).

[Nerwen]

*cough*

Tuor, may I draw your attention to this:

#2 Is it tangible?

Good question. I'd say No.

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Okay. I give up.
The subject was Fili's
being tortured by the smell of apples.

I hope I never smell the smell of apples again!
To smell apples everlastingly when you can scarcely
move and are cold and sick with hunger is maddening.
I could eat anything in the wide world now, for hours
on end- but not an apple!

Someone else please take over.

[Nerwen]

How. Could. Anyone. Possibly. Get. That?

[Eönwë]

How. Could. Anyone. Possibly. Get. That?

Nerwen has a point.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Praps we need to set some limits?

Answers limited to four words, or two nounsss, praps?

[Lindale]

Okay. I give up.
The subject was Fili's
being tortured by the smell of apples.



Someone else please take over.

OMG. You seriously hafta be kidding... Wind assisted.. but makes sense anyway, now that I've seen the answer. T_T

[Beregond]

Tuor's incredibly imaginative answer has rather killed the thread I'm afraid, but it's a fun game so lets start again!

I'm think of something (and it's not as creative as the last). Read my mind!

[Nerwen]

Is it a person?

[Beregond]

Yes, a person.

[Nerwen]

Was this person in Middle Earth during the Third Age?

[Beregond]

Yes, this person was alive in the third age.

[Nerwen]

Is this person a mortal?

[Beregond]

Yes, this third age person is a mortal. :)

[Meneltarmacil]

Is this person from the lands east of the Misty Mountains?

[Beregond]

Again, yes.

[Folwren]

Was this person around the area of the Lonely Mountain?

[Beregond]

No, this third age mortal person was from East of the Misty Mountains, but not from around Erebor.