20 Questions on ME

[The Might]

Was he/she still alive during the Fall of Gondolin?

[Pitchwife]

Miggy! You're back!*dances*

Is it a person? - Yes.
A place? - No.
A man? - Yep.
Evil? - No.
Live in the third age? - No.
Lived in the First Age? - Yes.
Was he/she alive after the Nírnaeth Arnoediad? - Yes he was.
was it an elf? - No.
One of Feänors' sons? - See above.
Is he related to Turin? - Related as in family? No.
Did he live in the Forest of Brethil? - Nope.
Was he/she still alive during the Fall of Gondolin? - Hmm, not mentioned, as far as I can recollect. (Good question, though.)

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Was he of the House of Hador?

[Pitchwife]

Is it a person? - Yes.
A place? - No.
A man? - Yep.
Evil? - No.
Live in the third age? - No.
Lived in the First Age? - Yes.
Was he/she alive after the Nírnaeth Arnoediad? - Yes he was.
was it an elf? - No.
One of Feänors' sons? - See above.
Is he related to Turin? - Related as in family? No.
Did he live in the Forest of Brethil? - Nope.
Was he/she still alive during the Fall of Gondolin? - Hmm, not mentioned, as far as I can recollect. (Good question, though.)
Was he of the House of Hador? - Of their people, but not of the dynasty.

[Galadriel55]

Turin is related to Hador! He's the Lord of Dor Lomin.
Do you mean that it's a person from Hador who is not closely related to Turin?
The only gues I have in that case is Labadach. Or maybe one of those people who helped Turin escape after he killed Brodda. But isn't that still their dynasty?
Or maybe it was Elros, since he's Hador by his grandfather Tuor. But he's still related to Turin, although distantly.

[Pitchwife]

I said the person in question wasn't related to Turin in the sense of family kinship (but still could be connected to him in other ways), and was of the people ruled by the House of Hador but not of the dynasty=the ruling family, to which Turin belonged. No contradiction here.

But to spare you any further guesses, you're right, it's Sador, nicknamed Labadal (whom for some reason you keep calling Labadach). Well guessed, take the thread!

[Galadriel55]

For some reason I keep thinking of him as Labadach.

OK! I'm ready to go! This should be an easy one.

[Galadriel55]

Anyone wanna ask a question?

[Pitchwife]

Ah sorry, I meant to, but quite forgot about it. Blame Werewolf.

Is it an object?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

A person?

[Galadriel55]

Object - no
Person - yes

[Pitchwife]

Is this person mortal?

[Galadriel55]

Object - no
Person - yes
Mortal - no

[Blind Guardian]

In Middle-Earth?

[Galadriel55]

Do you mean that his role is played in Middle Earth or that he was born there?
Yes, for the most part (role), no he was not born there.

Object - no
Person - yes
Mortal - no
ME - ???

[Nerwen]

Is he an Elf?

[The Might]

Because of ME??? I'll take a chance and say Maglor.

[Galadriel55]

Object - no
Person - yes
Mortal - no
ME - ???
Elf - no
Maglor - no

[Nerwen]

Hey, Might, you should have waited for the answer.:rolleyes:

...So, not an Elf. Well, that narrows it down quite a bit. A Maia? (Note: by which I mean "officially" a Maia, leaving out characters who might or might not be.)

[Galadriel55]

Object - no
Person - yes
Mortal - no
ME - ???
Elf - no
Maglor - no
Maia - yes

Again, the question marks are there because the question was not clear, and the way it was said it could have a few answers.

[Nerwen]

One of the good guys?

[Galadriel55]

Object - no
Person - yes
Mortal - no
ME - ???
Elf - no
Maglor - no
Maia - yes
Good guy - yes

[Nerwen]

Gandalf?

[Galadriel55]

That he is!

[Nerwen]

Oh, good.:)

Well, then– I've thought of something. Ask away.

[Galadriel55]

Person?

[Nerwen]

Yes.

[Galadriel55]

mortal?

[Nerwen]

Yes, it's a mortal.

[Galadriel55]

Human?
Isn't anyone ever going to visit this thread except for me and Nerwen?

[Nerwen]

Human? –sort-of.

Isn't anyone ever going to visit this thread except for me and Nerwen? –Doesn't look like it, does, it?

[Galadriel55]

Human? –sort-of.

Halfelven? ;)

[Nerwen]

Halfelven? ;)

No.

[Galadriel55]

Hmmm....sort of human, not halfelven....
Was he/she/it alive during the 1st age?

[Nerwen]

No.

[Galadriel55]

3rd?

[Nerwen]

Yes.

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Was it a nazgul?

[Nerwen]

Person? –yes.
Mortal? –yes.
Human? –sort-of.
Half-Elven? –no.
1st Age? –no.
3rd Age? –yes.
Nazgûl? –no.

You two have identified two ways in which a person might be "sort-of human". There's another. Hint: think about taxonomy.

[Nerwen]

'Nother hint: Technically speaking, I could have answered "yes" to the question of whether this party is human– yet that would have badly misled you. (I don't say I wasn't tempted ;) )

[Pitchwife]

Are we looking for a specimen of homo sapiens subsp. hobbitus?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Is it male?

[Nerwen]

Person? –yes.
Mortal? –yes.
Human? –sort-of.
Half-Elven? –no.
1st Age? –no.
3rd Age? –yes.
Nazgûl? –no.
Hobbit? –yes!
Male? –no.

[Galadriel55]

Rosy Cotton?

How could I not guess that it's a hobit?!

[Nerwen]

Rosie Cotton? –no.

[Pitchwife]

Does she have a speaking part in LotR?

[Galadriel55]

If its a female hobbit that isn't Rosy, its either Melilot Brandybuc or that random person called Esmeralda, Rory Brandybuck's daughter in law.

[Nerwen]

Person? –yes.
Mortal? –yes.
Human? –sort-of.
Half-Elven? –no.
1st Age? –no.
3rd Age? –yes.
Nazgûl? –no.
Hobbit? –yes!
Male? –no.
Rosie Cotton –no.
Speaking part? –no (for good reason)!
Melilot Brandybuck? –no.
Esmeralda Brandybuck (Merry's mother)? –no.

(By the way, Galadriel55, why do you think it can be only those two?)

[Pitchwife]

Am I correct in assuming she wasn't alive anymore at the time of LotR?

[Galadriel55]

I completely forgot about Elanor!
And Esmeralda is Rory Brandybuck's daughter-in-law. I don't think she's Merry's mom.

[Nerwen]

Person? –yes.
Mortal? –yes.
Human? –sort-of.
Half-Elven? –no.
1st Age? –no.
3rd Age? –yes.
Nazgûl? –no.
Hobbit? –yes!
Male? –no.
Rosie Cotton –no.
Speaking part? –no (for good reason)!
Melilot Brandybuck? –no.
Esmeralda Brandybuck –no.
Deceased? –yes.
Elanor Gamgee? –no.

And Esmeralda is Rory Brandybuck's daughter-in-law. I don't think she's Merry's mom.
*cough* The two are not mutually exclusive.

[Galadriel55]

I'm running out of ideas! Is it Gollum's beloved grandmother? :)
Eseralda could be Merry's mom, you are right. We don't know that for sure, though.

[Nerwen]

Person? –yes.
Mortal? –yes.
Human? –sort-of.
Half-Elven? –no.
1st Age? –no.
3rd Age? –yes.
Nazgûl? –no.
Hobbit? –yes!
Male? –no.
Rosie Cotton –no.
Speaking part? –no (for good reason)!
Melilot Brandybuck? –no.
Esmeralda Brandybuck? –no.
Deceased? –yes.
Elanor Gamgee? –no.
Gollum's grandmother? –no.

Esmeralda could be Merry's mom, you are right. We don't know that for sure, though.
Well, we do, actually. Check the family tree. You'll find her as "Esmeralda Took" (maiden name).

[Galadriel55]

I don't have the family tree in my translation. New fact for me!

It's a deceased female hobbit. Belladona Took, Bilbo's mom?

[Pitchwife]

Or if it's not Belladonna, what about Primula Baggins née Brandybuck, Frodo's mom?

[Nerwen]

You've got it, Pitch!

[Pitchwife]

Thanks, Nerwen!
I've got something; open fire.:)

[Galadriel55]

person?

[Pitchwife]

Person? - Yes.

[Galadriel55]

mortal?

[Almesiva Moonshadow]

Mortal from the Third Age???

[Nerwen]

Mortal from the Third Age???

That's two questions at once.

[Pitchwife]

Person? - Yes.
Mortal? - That's actually up to speculation. Most probably not.
...from the Third Age? - No. (Meaning neither mortal, nor from the Third Age.)
That's two questions at once.
Hm, I suppose I could technically have taken it as a single question and answered negative if it was, say, an Elf from the Third Age... But I'm not so mean.;)

[Galadriel55]

halfelven?

[Pitchwife]

Person? - Yes.
Mortal? - No.*
...from the Third Age? - No.
Halfelven? - No.

*(Sorry if my earlier answer to this was misleading. If you take 'mortal' to mean Man and/or Hobbit, including hybrids like Halfelves, it's a clear No. If it just means 'liable to die some natural death', it's by the most common interpretation of this character still a No. Hope this clears things up a bit.)

[Galadriel55]

Mortal could also mean dwarf, can't it?

Anyways, is it an Ent?

[Pitchwife]

Person? - Yes.
Mortal? - No.
...from the Third Age? - No.
Halfelven? - No.
Is it an Ent? - No.

(And yes, in the second, wider sense a Dwarf would be mortal, too, if you're a pedant with words and their meanings like I am - hence my occasional difficulties in answering questions like that with a simple 'yes' or 'no'.:rolleyes::))

[Galadriel55]

I don't blame you one bit, Pitch.
Was that person evil?

[Pitchwife]

Person? - Yes.
Mortal? - No.
...from the Third Age? - No.
Halfelven? - No.
Is it an Ent? - No.
Was that person evil? - Unambiguously yes!

[Galadriel55]

Just a shot in the dark - Mouth of Sauron?

[Pitchwife]

Person? - Yes.
Mortal? - No.
...from the Third Age? - No.
Halfelven? - No.
Is it an Ent? - No.
Was that person evil? - Unambiguously yes!
Mouth of Sauron? - Nah. He was a) a Black Numenorean, i.e. a Man, and thus mortal, even if artificially long-lived; and b) from the Third Age.

[Galadriel55]

was it by any chance a dragon?

[Pitchwife]

Person? - Yes.
Mortal? - No.
...from the Third Age? - No.
Halfelven? - No.
Is it an Ent? - No.
Was that person evil? - Unambiguously yes!
Mouth of Sauron? - No.
Was it by any chance a dragon? - No.

[Galadriel55]

I'm probably overcomplicating things and just going in circles around the answer, and then someone else will coe and casually announce it. That happens to me all the time! :mad:

Just to clarify: When you say that s/he is most likely immortal, but it is questionable, do you mean that s/he's not an ainu or elf? Because they're immortal for sure, aren't they?

[Pitchwife]

Just to clarify: When you say that s/he is most likely immortal, but it is questionable, do you mean that s/he's not an ainu or elf? Because they're immortal for sure, aren't they?
*sigh*
Remember I'm supposed to answer only with Yes or No, and one question at a time? If only I'd stuck to that above...
What I meant is exactly what I said. Illustration: Suppose the person I was thinking of were Tom Bombadil, and you had asked me whether it's an Ainu, what would you have expected me to answer?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Female?

[Pitchwife]

Person? - Yes.
Mortal? - No.
...from the Third Age? - No.
Halfelven? - No.
Is it an Ent? - No.
Was that person evil? - Unambiguously yes!
Mouth of Sauron? - No.
Was it by any chance a dragon? - No.
Female? - Yes!

[Nerwen]

Ungoliant?

[Pitchwife]

Person? - Yes.
Mortal? - No.
...from the Third Age? - No.
Halfelven? - No.
Is it an Ent? - No.
Was that person evil? - Unambiguously yes!
Mouth of Sauron? - No.
Was it by any chance a dragon? - No.
Female? - Yes!
Ungoliant? - Sorry, no. (But I see you got my meaning!:))

[Nerwen]

Thuringwethil?

[Pitchwife]

You've got it, Nerwen - Thuringwethil it is! Take over, please.

(Explanation for Galadriel55 about the mortality question: Most sources I've consulted seem to assume Thuringwethil was some sort of corrupted Maia, and as such, she would of course be immortal; but Tolkien himself never really tells us what kind of being she was, only that she acted as Sauron's messenger and took the form of a vampire bat, so it's at least conceivable she was some other creature - maybe a real bat corrupted and enhanced by sorcery, or something like Beorn's dark cousin six millennia removed;). Sorry for the confusion!)

[Galadriel55]

Nerwen, you've got here just before I could! I thought of Thuringwethil yesterday, but I didn't have access to the computer until now. Ah well.
Person?

[Nerwen]

Yes.

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Evil?

[Galadriel55]

lived in 1st age?

[Nerwen]

Evil? –No.
First Age? –No.

[Galadriel55]

mortal?

[Nerwen]

Yes.

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Alive during the Second Age?

[Nerwen]

No.

[Galadriel55]

human?

[Nerwen]

Yes.

[Galadriel55]

Lives in Gondor?

[Nerwen]

No.

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Lives west of the Anduin?

[Almesiva Moonshadow]

Lives in Rohan?

[Pitchwife]

Alive during War of the Rings?

[Galadriel55]

Lives in Eriador?

[Nerwen]

Person? –yes.
Evil? –no.
First Age? –no.
Mortal? –yes.
Second Age? –no.
Human? –yes.
Lives in Gondor? –no.
Lives west of the Anduin? –yes.
Lives in Rohan? –no.
Alive during War of the Rings? –yes.
Lives in Eriador? –yes.

[Galadriel55]

Halbarad the ranger?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

A Dunadan?

[Nerwen]

Person? –yes.
Evil? –no.
First Age? –no.
Mortal? –yes.
Second Age? –no.
Human? –yes.
Lives in Gondor? –no.
Lives west of the Anduin? –yes.
Lives in Rohan? –no.
Alive during War of the Rings? –yes.
Lives in Eriador? –yes.
Halbarad? –no.
A Dunadan? –no.

[Kyranger]

Lives in Bree?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Lived in Arnor or one of its three successor states?

[Galadriel55]

Barliman Butterbur?

[Nerwen]

You've got in, Galadriel55!

[Galadriel55]

Great! I finally got it right! But I'm not going to have access to a computer until sunday, so if you guys get bored here without me, feel free to take the thread....:(
If no one wants to take it, though, just ask all the questions that you possibly can, and I'll answer them on Sunday. :)

[Nerwen]

Great! I finally got it right! But I'm not going to have access to a computer until sunday, so if you guys get bored here without me, feel free to take the thread....:(
If no one wants to take it, though, just ask all the questions that you possibly can, and I'll answer them on Sunday. :)

Unfortunately, that can't work, because we wouldn't be able to build on previous answers.

We could all just wait until Sunday– I'm sure we'll be able to hold on that long.;)

[Galadriel55]

I'm back!!! I'm back!!! Yay!!!:D
Ask away!

[Nerwen]

Person?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Place?

[Galadriel55]

Person - yes
Place - no

[Nerwen]

Elf?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Dwarf?

[Nerwen]

Smurf?

[Pitchwife]

Evil?
http://www.comicszene.de/cache/tn_540a645d23b9094ad7233358c31cba96.jpg

[Galadriel55]

Elf-no
Dwarf-no
Evil-no

What's a smurf?

[Pitchwife]

Human (including hobbits)?

What's a smurf?
Basically the same as the picture in my last post, only blue, nice and silly instead of black and mindlessly nasty.

[Galadriel55]

Person - yes
Place - no
Elf - no
Dwarf - no
Evil - no
Smurf - no
Human - yes

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Lived in First Age?

[Galadriel55]

Lived in 1st age - no

[Nerwen]

Second Age?

[Galadriel55]

2nd age - no (unless s/he had some namesake that I don't know of :), but in the story her part is neither in the 1st or 2nd ages)

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Lived north of the location of Orthanc?

[Nerwen]

Was she alive during the War of the Ring?

[Galadriel55]

Person - yes
Place - no
Elf - no
Dwarf - no
Evil - no
Smurf - no
Human - yes
Lived in 1st age - no
2nd age - no
Lived north of Orthank - no
Was she alive during the War of the Ring? - yes. I gave the she away, didn't I:rolleyes::o:(? What a blunder! Its gonna be very easy now.

[Kyranger]

Eowyn?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Ioreth?

[Galadriel55]

Tuor got it! :) Good guess, though, Kyranger.

[Tuor in Gondolin]

A bbittersweet win, since she's the single most
annoying character in the book, but...

So, ask away. But yesss, we must be tricksey.
Dasn't let sneaky Barrowdowners guess too quickly.
The Preciouss says must make them ask many questions, yess.

[Kyranger]

A person?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

#1
A person?
No.

[Pitchwife]

A place, maybe?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

A person?
No.
Place?
No.

[Kyranger]

Object?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

A person?
No.
Place?
No.
Object? Yes, it's a thing.

[Kyranger]

Weapon?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

A person?
No.
Place?
No.
Object? Yes, it's a thing.
Weapon? I would say no.

[Kyranger]

Jewel?

[Galadriel55]

Plant?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

A person? No.
Place? No.
Object? Yes, it's a thing.
Weapon? I would say no.

Jewel? No.
Plant? No.

[Nerwen]

Magical?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

A person? No.
Place? No.
Object? Yes, it's a thing.
Weapon? I would say no.
Jewel? No.
Plant? No.

Magical? Good question. Yes.

[Pitchwife]

Was it ever broken?

[Kyranger]

Was it made by the Elves?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

A person? No.
Place? No.
Object? Yes, it's a thing.
Weapon? I would say no.
Jewel? No.
Plant? No.
Magical? Yes.

Was it ever broken? No.

Was it made by the Elves? I think you could say so.

[Galadriel55]

Palantir(s)?

[Pitchwife]

You think we could say so? Hmmm...
Was it made in the Second Age?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

A person? No.
Place? No.
Object? Yes, it's a thing.
Weapon? I would say no.
Jewel? No.
Plant? No.
Magical? Yes.
Was it ever broken? No.
Was it made by the Elves? I think you could say so.

Palantir(s)? No.

You think we could say so? Hmmm...
Was it made in the Second Age?
The key word of centention/definition
here is "made." (It can be rather fun being a Delphic Oracle-unless
perhaps you're on the receiving end). So in answer to the question,
I do not know of it being used/made in the Second Age, so...no.

[Tuor in Gondolin]

On reflection, I lean towards it being considered "made."
:)

[Pitchwife]

(It can be rather fun being a Delphic Oracle-unless
perhaps you're on the receiving end)
I know!:D But don't you worry, it's plenty of fun to prod the Oracle.

Well, since you had to reflect on whether to consider it "made", are you perhaps using "make" here in about the same sense as in "make breakfast" or "make the bed"?
Or, since you can't really be expected to bother with quoting such a ridiculously long question, let me rephrase that in fewer words: Is it perhaps a non-permanent object?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

A person? No.
Place? No.
Object? Yes, it's a thing.
Weapon? I would say no.
Jewel? No.
Plant? No.
Magical? Yes.
Was it ever broken? No.
Was it made by the Elves? I think you could say so.
Palantir(s)? No.
Second Age? No.

Is it perhaps a non-permanent object? Very good. Yes.

[Pitchwife]

Galadriel's mirror?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

A person? No.
Place? No.
Object? Yes, it's a thing.
Weapon? I would say no.
Jewel? No.
Plant? No.
Magical? Yes.
Was it ever broken? No.
Was it made by the Elves? I think you could say so.
Palantir(s)? No.
Second Age? No.
Is it perhaps a non-permanent object? Very good. Yes.

Galadriel's mirror? A great guess. But wrong.:( No.

[Galadriel55]

Galadriel's phial?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Galadriel's phial?
Nyet.

[Pitchwife]

Hmmm. This is tricky indeed. Let's tackle it from a different angle, then.
Could it be held in hand?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Could it be held in hand?
Nein.

In fact, you might say,
The more you grasp it the more it slips away.

[Galadriel55]

This is really confusing. Is it dreams? Sorry if it doesn't make any sense, but its the best I can come up with.

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Is it dreams?
No. It's material.

Hint: When was it used? Who by?

[Pitchwife]

OK then: Was it used in the Third Age?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Was it used in the Third Age?
Yes.

[Galadriel55]

Bruinen? I mean, the way Elrond makes it flood?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Bruinen? I mean, the way Elrond makes it flood?
No. Not related to Bruinen.

[Galadriel55]

Was it used by one of the Fellowship members?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Was it used by one of the Fellowship members?
No.

[Galadriel55]

And I just had another idea - the writing on the Moria Gates in ithildin?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

And I just had another idea - the writing on the Moria Gates in ithildin?
Nope.

Hmm. The Third Age does span quite a few years.

[Pitchwife]

What has it got in its mind? We wonders, my precioussss. Yes, we wondersss...

Was it made/used/(insert appropriate verb) within the last millennium of the Third Age (i.e. after TA 2000) ?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Was it made/used within the last millennium of the Third Age (i.e. after TA 2000) ?
Yes.

[Galadriel55]

Is it in/from Lothlorien?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

A person? No.
Place? No.
Object? Yes, it's a thing.
Weapon? I would say no.
Jewel? No.
Plant? No.
Magical? Yes.
Was it ever broken? No.
Was it made by the Elves? I think you could say so.
Palantir(s)? No.
Second Age? No.
Is it perhaps a non-permanent object? Very good. Yes.
Galadriel's mirror? A great guess. But wrong. No.
Galadriel's phial? Nyet.
Could it be held in hand? Nein.
Is it dreams? No. It's material.
Bruinen? I mean, the way Elrond makes it flood?
No. Not related to Bruinen.
And I just had another idea - the writing on the Moria Gates in ithildin? Nope.
Hmmm. This is tricky indeed. Let's tackle it from a different angle, then.
Could it be held in hand? No.


Was it made/used within the last millennium of the Third Age (i.e. after TA 2000) ?Yes.

Did it come from Lothlorien?
Yes.

[Galadriel55]

Lembas? :)

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Lembas?
Nope.

(The "when" is key).

[Pitchwife]

Is it the mist that covered the Eotheod when they passed near Dol Guldur on their way to the Field of Celebrant?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Is it the mist that covered the Eotheod when they passed near Dol Guldur on their way to the Field of Celebrant?
YES!
But now [the Dwimordene] seemed shrouded in a gleaming mist; and to their dismay the mist passed over the river and flowed over the land before them....As they drew nearer they saw that the white mist was driving back the glooms of Dol Guldur, and soon they passed into it...under its canopy all things were lit with a clear and shadowless light, while to left and right they were guarded by white walls of secrecy.
"The Lady of the Golden Wood is on our side, it seems," said Borondir."
(But did Eorl even send her a thank-you bouquet? NO. (men :D )

Btw, Before going with the white mist I considered the punch that Helm Hammerhand killed Freca with, but that could have led to other yes/no tricky answers to questions. If asked if "it" was human technically the answer is, I think, no, but to do so would lead you to assume it was a place or thing.

As to whether the mist was natural or created, it seems to me the nearest analog could be the river at the Ford of Bruinen attacking the Nine Riders and killing their horses. The River itself was natural, used by Elrond, and enhanced (horses heads) by Gandalf.

[Pitchwife]

Well, the Valar be thanked - otherwise my last guess would have been 'the perfume Galadriel puts on for special nights with Celeborn' (not very canonical, I'm afraid).
That was a tough nut to crack, Tuor! Lovely! (If I'm allowed just one minor nitpick, I would have said the mist was a substance rather than an object; but never mind.) And I'm really grateful you didn't pick Helm's punch - we might have had to rename this thread '200 Questions on ME'!

Now let me just think a bit on something sufficiently esoteric to match this...

[Galadriel55]

Good job, Pitch! I would never have thought of that! Not that I really payed any attention to that passage...I don't recall it at all right now... :D But good job!!!
Just the usual: person?

[Pitchwife]

Person? - No.

[Kyranger]

Place?

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Thing?

[Pitchwife]

Person? - No.
Place? - No.
Thing? - Not really that either, I'm afraid.

[Kyranger]

Substance?

[Pitchwife]

Person? - No.
Place? - No.
Thing? - Not really that either, I'm afraid.
Substance? - No.

[Galadriel55]

event?

[Pitchwife]

Person? - No.
Place? - No.
Thing? - Not really that either, I'm afraid.
Substance? - No.
Event? - Nnnot really.

[Galadriel55]

hmmm... a word that would define "the punch that Helm Hammerhand killed Freca with"?

[Pitchwife]

:D I think the right word to define a punch would be "hot alcoholic beverage" (although that's three words).
Kidding aside, what you want is a word that would define e.g. "the Curse of Mandos" or "Gandalf's stewardship".

[Nerwen]

:D I think the right word to define a punch would be "hot alcoholic beverage" (although that's three words).
Kidding aside, what you want is a word that would define e.g. "the Curse of Mandos" or "Gandalf's stewardship".
I should call that a "thing".

Well. Is this an oath, perhaps?

[Pitchwife]

Well, for me a 'thing' is something material, and this isn't. As for what it is, I'd call it a concept.
Anyway, it's not an oath.

[Galadriel55]

task?

[Nerwen]

Does it pertain to one particular individual? (Like, to use your own example, "Gandalf's stewardship of Gondor".)

[Pitchwife]

Person? - No.
Place? - No.
Thing? - Not really that either, I'm afraid.
Substance? - No.
Event? - Nnnot really.
Is this an oath, perhaps? - No.
Task? - No.
Does it pertain to one particular individual? - No. (Which doesn't mean, however, that it pertains to everybody.)

[Galadriel55]

anything to do with ruling something?

[Pitchwife]

Person? - No.
Place? - No.
Thing? - Not really that either, I'm afraid.
Substance? - No.
Event? - Nnnot really.
Is this an oath, perhaps? - No.
Task? - No.
Does it pertain to one particular individual? - No. (Which doesn't mean, however, that it pertains to everybody.)
Anything to do with ruling something? - Sorry, no.

[Galadriel55]

does it pertain to a particular nation? Like, for example, all hobbits are short, all dwarves are sturdy, etc.

[Pitchwife]

Person? - No.
Place? - No.
Thing? - Not really that either, I'm afraid.
Substance? - No.
Event? - Nnnot really.
Is this an oath, perhaps? - No.
Task? - No.
Does it pertain to one particular individual? - No. (Which doesn't mean, however, that it pertains to everybody.)
Anything to do with ruling something? - Sorry, no.
Does it pertain to a particular nation? - Well, I wouldn't call Hobbits, Dwarves etc. nations (race? species?), but if you use the word like that, Yes it does.

[Galadriel55]

Well, you are right that they aren't really nations, but you could differentiate between Sindar and Noldor, for example, even though they are both elves. Or with men - men of Esgaroth/dale, Rohan, Gondor, and other places could be called separate nations...
Does it apply to a mortal "nation"?

[Pitchwife]

Sorry, Galadriel55 *, seems we misunderstood each other. In your last question you used 'nation' in the sense of e.g. all Hobbits, all Dwarves etc., and I said if you mean it that way, Yes. If you mean 'nation' as in Sindar or Noldor, Gondorians or Rohirrim, it's a No. Get me?

So:
Person? - No.
Place? - No.
Thing? - Not really that either, I'm afraid.
Substance? - No.
Event? - Nnnot really.
Is this an oath, perhaps? - No.
Task? - No.
Does it pertain to one particular individual? - No.
Anything to do with ruling something? - Sorry, no.
Does it pertain to a particular 'nation' (in the sense of Hobbits, Dwarves...)? - Yes.
Does it apply to a mortal "nation"? - It does apply to mortals.

*can we perhaps shorten your name somehow without getting you mixed up with the other Galadriel?

[Galadriel55]

Sorry about that misconception. I'm not very good with explanations, as you can see... :)
Is the mortal race/nation humans?


can we perhaps shorten your name somehow without getting you mixed up with the other Galadriel?

You can call me G55, if you want. I don't mind the least! I do have a long name: G-a-l-a-d-r-i-e-l-5-5, to long to write fully every time you want to say something to me :)

[Pitchwife]

Person? - No.
Place? - No.
Thing? - Not really that either, I'm afraid.
Substance? - No.
Event? - Nnnot really.
Is this an oath, perhaps? - No.
Task? - No.
Does it pertain to one particular individual? - No.
Anything to do with ruling something? - Sorry, no.
Does it pertain to a particular 'nation' (in the sense of Hobbits, Dwarves...)? - Yes.
Does it apply to a mortal "nation"? - It does apply to mortals.
Is the mortal race/nation humans? - Yep!

You can call me G55, if you want. I don't mind the least! I do have a long name: G-a-l-a-d-r-i-e-l-5-5, to long to write fully every time you want to say something to me
It's not really that long, compared to, for example, Ibrîniðilpathânezel; I'm just being lazy.:)

[Nerwen]

The Gift/Doom (depending on the spin) of Men?

[Galadriel55]

You beat me to it, Nerwen! I bet that's the answer! :D

[Pitchwife]

... and of course it is; 'the Gift of the One to Men', as the Eldar say. Correct, Nerwen! Your turn.:)

[Galadriel55]

person?

[Kyranger]

Place?

[Nerwen]

Person? –no.
Place? –no.

[Kyranger]

Object?

[Nerwen]

Object? –yes.

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Intelligent-creature made object?

[Nerwen]

Intelligent-creature made object?
Yes.

[Kyranger]

Made by the Elves?

[Nerwen]

Made by the Elves?
No.

[Galadriel55]

made by Dwarves?

[Nerwen]

No.

[Galadriel55]

made by men?

[Nerwen]

Yes.

[Galadriel55]

Made in the 3rd age?

[Nerwen]

No.

[Galadriel55]

1st age?

[Nerwen]

No.

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Made in Numenor?

[Galadriel55]

is it a ship?

[Nerwen]

Made in Númenor? –No.
Ship? –No.

[Galadriel55]

Something you'd take to battle? (eg: sword, shield, etc)

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Second Age?

[Nerwen]

Something you'd take to battle? –No.
Second Age? -Yes.

[Galadriel55]

was it used after the 2nd age? (ie in the 3rd age)

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Made in Middle-earth west of the Anduin?

[Nerwen]

Yes to both.

[Galadriel55]

Is it something you build? (eg a tower, a bridge, a wall)

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Made/built in Eriador?

[Mänwe]

Is it the keys of Orthanc?

[Nerwen]

Is it something you build? –Yes.
Made/built in Eriador? –Yes.
Is it the keys of Orthanc? –No.

[Galadriel55]

Tower of Amon Sul?

[Nerwen]

That's it!:)

Thread's yours, G55.

[Galadriel55]

Thanks, Nerwen!
Ask away!

[Nerwen]

Is it a person?

[Galadriel55]

Person - no

[Kyranger]

Place?

[Blind Guardian]

is it alive?

[Galadriel55]

Person - no
Place - no
Is it alive - ??? it's not a living thing, if that's what you mean.

[Kyranger]

Object?

[Galadriel55]

Person - no
Place - no
Is it alive - ??? it's not a living thing, if that's what you mean.
Object - no

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Is it a law or ban?

[Galadriel55]

Person - no
Place - no
Is it alive - ??? it's not a living thing, if that's what you mean.
Object - no
Law/ban - no

[Galadriel55]

anyone???

[Pitchwife]

Hm, got to admit I'm a bit clueless. If it's not a person, not a place, not a thing, and it's questionable if it's alive, what can it be?

Is it natural (i.e. not made by Elves, Dwarves, Men or any other incarnate being)?

[Galadriel55]

Person - no
Place - no
Is it alive - no
Object - no
Law/ban - no
Natural - good question. No.

Sorry if the answer I gave to "alive or not" wasn't clear. It is not a living thing/creature, but metaphorically/sybolically speaking, you could call something of this sort of thing alive.
It is hard to give a clue about what it is without giving it away. It is somewhat a cross between "object" and "law/ban", but don't stick to the meanings of these specific words: this clue is on a broader plain.

[Ironfoot]

Is it a Doom/Curse?