Scarburg Meadhall Discussion Thread

[Folwren]

Ai ai ai! Folwren, I believe Thornden has just made himself two enemies (not that they liked him before either given they were thinking he was planning treachery with Lithor)! And on top of everything it was his little brother (who is kind of his responsibility) was the one to hit Aedre. :eek: Brilliant!

I think Thornden was pretty cranky, so I doubt he cares that he made enemies. ;) Glad you liked it.

And, hey, be fair - Thornden's sorry that Javan hit Aedre. It's not his fault Javan's a jerk. :p

-- Folwren

[littlemanpoet]

Just a thought - maybe a poor one - with so many of the characters outside waiting to find out what has happened inside, maybe we should just figure out what happens inside, and write Athanar coming out with Faramund properly cowed, and the results of the meeting explained after the fact. Just a thought. It could help us move this a bit, and I'm very willing to keep this moving.

[Folwren]

Well, I'm game to try Elempi's idea, but I'd like to know everyone else's thoughts, too - particularly Lommy's, Legate's, and Firefoot's, all of whom have characters outside.

-- Folwren

[Firefoot]

I'm definitely game to keep this moving.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I think you should move this on for sure. There is no reason not to. As you can see, I have just posted (on a rather general note), and Lommy said she might want to post W+W's reactions, but if somebody happens to post earlier than her, no problem. Still, I believe there will be a few things happening inside which might still take time before it has effect on the outside. So whatever - just go ahead, I say.

[Folwren]

I'd love to see the two W's reactions. I think while Nogrod and Elempi decide about what happened during the inside discussion, Lommy will hopefully have time to post...?

Then what, off to Tancreds? Are we going to go as indepth? Or make a few posts that cover a lot of ground each time and not get quite as detailed?

-- Foley

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I'd love to see the two W's reactions. I think while Nogrod and Elempi decide about what happened during the inside discussion, Lommy will hopefully have time to post...?

Then what, off to Tancreds? Are we going to go as indepth? Or make a few posts that cover a lot of ground each time and not get quite as detailed?

Yes, that was what I wanted to ask: so the plan is to visit all of the lords (or "lords", anyway, I think we can use it as technical term among ourselves - or perhaps "pseudolords", that very well captures the essence, I think :) ) right during this one day? Of course it probably makes sense. Yet, yes, this has been pretty long. In some way, I would like to return to Scarburg. (I have personal reasons though - I am looking forward to Hilderinc encountering Falco one more time. :) I think the random sighting of the holbytla will keep haunting inside his head until then.)

But yes, I guess it's more like Nog's and LMP's place to decide what they want to do with the other two pseudolords?

[littlemanpoet]

Obviously, I want to move things to get my most beloved character back in the game - Eodwine. To that end I'm happy with writing summaries of the other two lords, as well. But that's just selfish me. If Noggie is looking forward to having actual interaction between Athanar and these landlords, that's fine. I'm sure I could work it so that they're not nearly as stupid and uncooperative as Faramund. :p

[Folwren]

I tried replying earlier, but the computer I was on was not allowing me to post here and BD wasn't working well at all.....

I wanted to say that Athanar would probably want to deal with all three lords in one day. It's logical, and Athanar is a logical sort of chap...and efficient, to boot. But, that's just my perception of him. Nogrod calls that shot, really.

I have two reasons to want to hurry this day along to its closing. One is the same that Elempi mentioned, with Eodwine coming backa nd all. The other, though, is the fact that I'm still biting my nails, wondering what the result will be when Coenred tells Athanar that Thornden knew which direction Lithor and Erbrand went and said nothing.

I've got to get to class...

-- Foley

[Nogrod]

Sorry about being too much involved on other matters than the Mead Hall... the famous RL has kept me busy of late.Obviously, I want to move things to get my most beloved character back in the game - Eodwine. To that end I'm happy with writing summaries of the other two lords, as well. But that's just selfish me. If Noggie is looking forward to having actual interaction between Athanar and these landlords, that's fine. I'm sure I could work it so that they're not nearly as stupid and uncooperative as Faramund. :pI agree that something like "summaries" would be okay as otherwise it would take a half a year to get through the day we have at hand (and the next one).

I'll try to come back to this tomorrow or the day after the latest.

[Thinlómien]

Posted. If anyone can come up with a better word than "soldier" to Wulfric's last comment, I'd be happy to change it. I wanted something slightly deragotary (sp?) noting to their difference of rank but given Thornden's current (high) position maybe something else than a military term would be better? Calling Thornden "soldier" is kind of stupid, but I didn't want to use "peasant" either and the word I wanted eludes me. Anything that would emphasise the fact that Thornden is a common-born countryside soldier as opposed to being a nobleman warrior raised up in Edoras? ;)

[Folwren]

Hm...I'll let you know if I thinkof any word that might be appropriate. Soldier did have that derrogatory ring to it, the way you used it, anyway. Possibly lieutenant (sp!), except I think Elempi would tell us that's not an anglo-saxon word. If he put a certain spin on it, that could be insulting, too.

Good post. Make me laugh with excitement and anticipation. How I love trouble.


-- Foley

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

It's great. I am looking forward to what comes out of this :) And I am sure some of the soldiers too. "I smell trouble?"

[Folwren]

So....not to be rude or anything....but wanting to stir the pot a little, or at least give it a nudge....is something being worked on? Nogrod, Elempi? Are you two thinking about what's going on?

Lommy....I posted again. I'm sorry - I couldn't resist. My wording was clumsy tonight, though, so if I get on again and re-read it and decide to edit some of the language, don't be surprised if I hop on here and say I did.

I am picturing Wulfric on his horse right next to Thornden, because when Wulfic addressed him in your post, they seemed pretty near, and I kind of figure being Athanar's sons, they'll be close to the leaders of the men anyway.

-- Foley

[Thinlómien]

I am picturing Wulfric on his horse right next to Thornden, because when Wulfic addressed him in your post, they seemed pretty near, and I kind of figure being Athanar's sons, they'll be close to the leaders of the men anyway.
I would think so too. :) And Folwren I really cracked up at your post. That was too funny, and I didn't really expect that from Thornden (and I bet neither did Wulfric!) and you know now I just have to make a short reply... :D:D

[Thinlómien]

Posted. I have to admit I sometimes wish the 'downs would allow more foul language - I think Wulfric would've said something a bit uglier sounding to both Thornden and Wilheard. ;)

[Folwren]

Posted. I have to admit I sometimes wish the 'downs would allow more foul language - I think Wulfric would've said something a bit uglier sounding to both Thornden and Wilheard.

Haha. That's where lots of creativity comes in. Or, if you like, you can do as Tolkien did nad instead of putting bad words in, just say something like, "Wulfric cursed." Sam did once or twice, you know.

I'm glad you did post. :D This is fun. I think that Thornden has nothing further to say, though, so for now we should be good.

-- Foley

[Thinlómien]

I'm glad you did post. :D This is fun. I think that Thornden has nothing further to say, though, so for now we should be good.So now we can use all our energy on pressuring Nog and LMP to post. ;)

[Folwren]

So now we can use all our energy on pressuring Nog and LMP to post. ;)

That is exactly right. Nog? Elempi? Are you posting soon?

[littlemanpoet]

That is exactly right. Nog? Elempi? Are you posting soon?

I just PMd Nog with an idea how to do this. I await his reply, after which we can move forward.

Lommi, Foley, those last two posts cracked me up. :D

[Nogrod]

Okay. I'm back online again with some time in my hands... and I've read lmp's PM and think it is a reasonable way to solve this for starters (let's see where it gets us later?) - it's actually quite near to what I had thought of as my preliminary thoughts to solve the situation. So as we two seem to agree on the main characters of this conflict I think I will give it a go and try to write them out from the hall in the coming hour...

[Folwren]

Awesome! I'm glad to see that we're on a roll now.

I will be around only somewhat for the next twenty-four hours or so. That is to say, I may not be able to post until Monday morning should something come up. So, keep that in mind if you write anything concerning my characters.

-- Foley

[Nogrod]

Okay. It was getting too long a post and so I decided to cut it where the lords appear out from the hall. So you could all make some reactions to this rather awkward situation before we write it further. I should have time to continue this tomorrow or early next week so that's basically an offer to write a reaction - or to continue with some of those interactions you have going on in there with the new situation...

Also lmp: if this inspires you feel free to take it further...

[Mnemosyne]

I like it. :)

[Thinlómien]

Glad to be amusing to others.

And even gladder to see this moving on - nice to see a Théoden vol 2 in our little RPG. ;)

[Folwren]

I know I'm just as guilty as everyone else about not posting...but what is to happen next? I guess I could post for Thornden, but he really has nothing to say at all. Even though I have no ideas at present, I think I and others should write something, seeing as things have been so full of tension up to this point. It'd be kind of lame to spend so long building up to this point and then poof! bang, it's all resolved in two posts. It can be resolved, certainly, I just feel there should be some reaction to it, and Nogrod and Elempi has given us plenty of time to react.

That being said, I will get out of my lazy mood and write something today.

-- Folwren

[Nogrod]

Okay. If you have nothing to add, I'll try to move things forwards soonish (meaning: the rest of the week is pretty much a nightmare RL-wise, but I should have ample time on the weekend).

But please write something if you have anything in mind, even something brief to get the feeling of the situation... or to relit the things going on at Scarburg?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Ugh - I've been, and still am having terribly busy days now, but maybe I could manage to slip something in on Friday. Saturday would be even better, but if Nog is already going to post by then... well, let's just see who is faster.

Really sorry, but I barely have time to finish all the stuff I need to get done on time these days...

[littlemanpoet]

Sorry, I'm busy at least into Saturday.

[littlemanpoet]

There. Let's see what reactions that brings. :)

[Firefoot]

Sorry I haven't been very active lately. My classes are horribly difficult and work-intensive this semester, and I'm not sure it's going to lighten up a whole lot before the end of April. So I'm around keeping tabs on things but don't really have a lot of time for writing. :(

[littlemanpoet]

Hmmmm...... wondering if Faramund is capable of patricide....?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Hmmmm...... wondering if Faramund is capable of patricide....?

Uh... but certainly at least not now? That would be more like suicide.

But if later, that might be interesting.

[littlemanpoet]

Uh... but certainly at least not now? That would be more like suicide.Maybe, maybe not. It depends on the self-control and how law-abiding those are who are most near. Of course, if the immediate reaction is Faramund's own death - NOT by Athanar's hand - then the Eorldom suddenly gets that much bigger, wouldn't it?

[Folwren]

Uh... but certainly at least not now? That would be more like suicide.

That was my first reaction, too. But if he doesn't do it now, when would he do it? Not later - Faramund doesn't seem quite the villian to kill in cold blood with the pre-concieved plan to murder. Right now, after such a public insult and humiliation from his own father, it would be more likely. But, then, he would probably not live very long afterwards, either. Sure, Athanar may not kill him, but his men wouldn't save him and Athanar would probably throw him in jail to be tried later for murder and then executed.

But it was an awful thing for Freduhelm to say such a thing.

-- Foley

[Folwren]

Well, I was going to post and then after I wrote two or three sentences I realized I didn't have anything more to write. I guess I'll have to wait, then.

Elempi, is there going to be murder, or have you thought better of it and decided not to? If not, can we be out of this place and onto the next landlord?

-- Foley

[littlemanpoet]

No murder. Let's move on.

[Folwren]

Excellent. Are there any objections if I (or anybody else who takes the lead) rides us on out of there? I could do it, but it would have to wait until I had time to sit down and write a long-ish post. Hopefully today or tomorrow.

Then I think people were in agreement that the other two lords could be dealt with in summarizing posts. I think that everyone writing has a fair idea of how those confrontations will go, even though I doubt any one of us are picturing it quite the same. Possibly, anyone who wants to write can write their own character's summary of how it goes, and everyone will have as much time as it takes the ring leaders here (Nogrod? Possibly myself?) to get the troup back to Scarburg. May take a matter of a week or two. Anyone who writes a post first leads the way in how things actually go, and obviously any subsequent posts should try to be in agreement with what the first person posts. I hope that makes sense. That being said, the first person to write had jolly well better not do something ridiculous like, "And then they saw the smoke. It curled up in great, black rolling clouds to the blue sky above. The horses were spurred forward and when they crested the hill they saw the burning hall below. What was this? Another uprising?"

Ah...no.....we'd be writing for another year.

Anyway, how does that sound? Nogrod, what input do you have for us?

-- Folwren

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

From at least my perspective, although it is not what matters the most, but just to state my opinion, I am fine with that proposal, Foley. When it comes to myself, I can write a summary of what things were like from Hilderinc's perspective, but I don't feel the need to prolongate this very much. Unless somebody wants to react etc... but I think we should not let the people at the keep wait for too long. I think most important is now Nog's perspective, since LMP has already sort of expressed his, it seems...

[littlemanpoet]

Good thoughts, Foley. I have a strange idea. How about anybody who wants to, writes the events from their character's point of view, and NOBODY writes from the lords' (even Athanar?) points of view, so that we get a many-sided look at it but nothing direct. Sort of like a news camera approach. Could be interesting. And be as creative with it as you like, taking what happens maybe a plot turn or more further than the last post. Like I said, strange idea but it could be fun.

[Folwren]

Well, that could be fairly easy if Nogrod is too easy to post. :D I just means you'll stay out of a job. Thornden's not a lord, but is he too high up in the hierarcy? ;)

[littlemanpoet]

Well, that could be fairly easy if Nogrod is too easy to post. :D I just means you'll stay out of a job. Thornden's not a lord, but is he too high up in the hierarcy? ;)

Certainly not.

[Folwren]

Alright I posted a very summary-ish summary. I'm not quite sure what form the taxes are taking. Are the landlords going to send wains of grain, along with some livestock to Scarburg? Or should they be handing over bag-fulls of gold? ;)

Let me know if anything needs to be changed, anybody.

In the mean time, everyone else can start posting their response to stuff that has happened. In a few days, someone can get a post up covering the trip to the second landlord. I can do it, but it doesn't have to be.

-- Foley

[littlemanpoet]

Confession: I don't have any patience left, waiting for Eodwine to be able to make his appearance at Scarburg. I really didn't think, when I first posted back in October, that I'd still be waiting in April to get Eodwine into action. So i had a thought, and would appreciate some feedback. How would it be if I back-date all of my Eodwine posts, since returning, to "ten days ago" - put that in the title - and have him arrive on this Night?

Thanks,
Elempi

[Folwren]

:eek:

I'm for it.

-- Foley

[Thinlómien]

LMP, I understand you want your beloved character back asap and I also see this RPG is currently not moving much. However, bringing Eodwine back will cause complications because Scarburg cannot have two eorls at the same time, and many of the active players' characters are (sometimes irreversibly) tied to the current eorl. That is why I would not rush headlong into the confrontation, because we don't have even an idea of the general future timeline of the RPG (and also because it'd be kind of weird that Eodwine appeared only two days after Athanar - does that make sense with the travelling to Minas Tirith and back?).

Does anybody have any brilliant ideas how to keep the "new" characters in the game and let LMP have Eodwine back at the same time? Please discuss.

[littlemanpoet]

Eodwine isn't coming back to be Eorl. He's coming back to be Saeryn's husband, and father of his children. Yes, he'll find out to his surprise that he's been replaced, and he may have to take a little while to process his new situation, but he'll give way to Athanar. That's how he is.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, it's hardly of my business of all people, as I haven't been around by the time of the first game, but just generally speaking, I think bringing Eodwine in now is not very, well, logical - basically what Lommy had said. I mean, of course it's a pity if you, LMP, wanted to bring him back and we have been slow, but I guess nothing much can be done about it, unless we wanted to e.g. skip and jump somewhere in time, or something (although there are still present issues, and several of them, which I think people would still like to solve, in personal stories of their characters etc. - even thinking of your own).

But from the purely in-story perspective, I think it would really be a bit too much of a stretch, for logic... say, even if Eodwine suddenly miraculously got well on the very same day Athanar came to Scarburg (while just a day before he must have looked like dying - otherwise Éomer would have known that he is okay and thus he could have waited just a while and simply put him back into place, without the need to bring Athanar!), it still would take at least a while to get from Minas Tirith to Scarburg... not to mention, wouldn't Eodwine still be left for some time after his apparent recovery for "rest" at the Houses of Healing? (And if he already was in the process of recovery, strolling the gardens like Faramir, that would logically clash with what I have said above about Éomer - if Eodwine's been healthy already for several weeks, Athanar wouldn't have been sent to Scarburg in the first place, or at most sent in as a temporary replacement for a week or two, until Eodwine can come by himself - which it apparently wasn't.)

I don't want, of all things, to be a slave to some story or logic - a story, especially a fantastic one, can always be altered to fit us if we need it, but I think this would possibly be stretching it a little bit too much... beyond believability. Sadly, here it conflicts with the appearance of one character... but I would say that's what the RP brings with itself, if you took some role of such an important character like Eodwine. Tolkien would have said that the character you have created has its own life now, at some point you cease to become its full master. There is an "objective reality" of our "Faerie" world, here represented also by the fact that the time flows according to how the other players post. I don't know-perhaps you could still focus rather just on other of your characters, and simply wait a while longer? Perhaps with the lords' matter being cleared up, it won't take us that long to move forwards in time. For now, I can very well understand how much you'd like to post for Eodwine, but then, it was also your choice to make him leave in the first place.

Just my opinion in general. Like I said, though, I'm probably the least of all to have anything to say about this...

[littlemanpoet]

Ouch. :(

[Folwren]

Oh! Poor Elempi! You're little post above makes me sad.

Legate is right, though.

Can we all make a very conserted effort to get this Day wrapped up in the near future? Before April ends? Please? Because then we can leap forward to when it would be logical for Eodwine to return.

-- Folwren

[littlemanpoet]

I understand the logic of the story. The army of the Rohirrim traveled from Edoras to Minas Tirith in 4 or 5 days, NOT using the road all the time. Based on that, I figure travel time to Scarburg would be 5 longish days, maybe 6. This is why I posited 10 days previous, to give Eodwine at least 4 or 5 days recovery. If this is deemed not enough time, I understand and I'll just wait. Under these circumstances, I must confess that I will continue to find it difficult to be motivated to post.

... it was also your choice to make him leave in the first place.

I want to be sure that I understand this correctly. It appears that you are saying, Legate, that it is my own fault that Eodwine has been sick in Minas Tirth. Am I understanding you correctly?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I understand the logic of the story. The army of the Rohirrim traveled from Edoras to Minas Tirith in 4 or 5 days, NOT using the road all the time. Based on that, I figure travel time to Scarburg would be 5 longish days, maybe 6. This is why I posited 10 days previous, to give Eodwine at least 4 or 5 days recovery. If this is deemed not enough time, I understand and I'll just wait. Under these circumstances, I must confess that I will continue to find it difficult to be motivated to post.
The 10 days looked, with the bit of stretch as much as story normally can allow and allows, logical enough to me. It's just that him popping up tomorrow that struck me as quite weird...

I want to be sure that I understand this correctly. It appears that you are saying, Legate, that it is my own fault that Eodwine has been sick in Minas Tirth. Am I understanding you correctly?

Well, I don't know how the story exactly came to that point, as I haven't been around when it happened, but of course, he's your character, isn't he? I don't know if you call it "fault", but it is how things are, apparently. (Not sure what you are following by asking about this, because you know a lot more about it than me.) I gathered that you had put Eodwine "on standby" (or that you originally didn't want to make him return at all, assuming from that Athanar etc. was supposed to take his post permanently?), so now of course there was trouble with bringing him back, because the game continued with counting on your original idea of him not being there at the moment, or for long (although as we can see, possibilities to do it are still there, only it does not go as smoothly).

[Durelin]

Well, yea. As I understood it, LMP, there was no when you were coming back. So it's a bit strange to me to come back and expect everything to fall into place for you, even if it has been a lengthy time since your surprise return -- especially when (as far as I know) you did not communicate until yesterday what even your intentions were for Eodwine.

Even if Eodwine does not feel the need to retake his post as Eorl, it still greatly affects every character (and likely the arrangements made by the king) to have the former Eorl return who apparently has a lot of people loyal to him. I'm not saying then that it can't happen (obviously it can and could be interesting), but that since it is a big deal that has a big effect on the RP, it's not necessarily one person's right to say it's happening now.

You know, discussion is good. Maybe if this sort of discussion had happened as soon as you got back, you'd be closer to having Eodwine back. As far as I know it didn't?

Yes, I know, I haven't posted in ages (so why am I posting here now? >_>). Too much politicking and nitpicking, IC and OOC. Need(ed) a break. To those I haven't apologized to already, I'm sorry.

Maybe we do need to talk about the future of the RP, though. If it's still fun for people or not. I don't really have much business in that, but obviously I'm not the only one who hasn't been posting. Though everyone has their own reasons.

[Folwren]

Geez. I'd rather not see this thing crash and half the writers leave because they're frustrated. I don't have anything to add to the current issue at the moment except to ask everyone not to get mad, and most of all, don't just throw up your hands in annoyance and leave. Not posting on the game thread is not going to solve any problems, and I propose that if people keep posting, everything will be worked out...if not for the good of the characters in the story, at least for our benefit.

Elempi, if you'd like to know, when you first left, there was a discussion about whether or not we should just remove Eodwine permanently (i.e. kill him off). But the hope that you may someday return could not be gotten rid of by all of us older players, and that is why we wrote him off as sick and shipped him off to Minas Tirith. He could return, if necessary...but after a while, if the game had progressed much longer in game time, he probably would have ended up dead.

It has only been six months since you returned. It took us nearly a year to draw to an end the day on which you announced you'd be leaving. It's not going to take us that long to finish this day. That is, not if everyone puts effort into it.

[Durelin]

I'm certainly not *mad.* People have more reason to be mad at me I'm sure. :rolleyes: :D

[littlemanpoet]

Durelin, quoting myself in post # 2659 from October 13,2010: Plans? It appears from my scanning of the thread since I went on my little adventure, is that there is a new eorl at Scarburg by the will of the king of the eorlingas. Eodwine will of course obey the king's will. He will also be willing to remain at Scarburg if the new eorl will have him. I made my intentions clear about Eodwine from the get-go.

Never mind, Legate. You didn't mean anything hurtful. It just felt that way.

I had forgotten that I mentioned the idea of backdating already back in October, and the timing was discussed back then, thus the idea was dropped because it didn't seem feasible. I'll wait.

[Folwren]

Good. I'm glad no one is cranky. I was really worried there for a minute.

We'll get this done. Really, we will, and it'll all be great.

-- Folwren

[Nogrod]

Okay. I seem to have a "march-madness" of my own with the school every year. I'm very sorry I haven't have time to delve into this of late. But it should get better now. If no one is willing to move things forwards I can do it in a day or two.

[Folwren]

Okay, that sounds good, Nogrod. I'll plan on posting the cotinuance only if you don't post in the the next two days or so. I won't have time to post before then, anyway, so it's just as well.

-- Foley

[Nogrod]

Well... erm... I've not only been overloaded with work, the choir and the national elections but I have also lost my laptop (and my home-PC takes some 45 minutes to just open up nowadays) - so I have been totally unable to even visit the 'Downs for the last two weeks. The last eight days I have been taken from early morning to midnight every day... :(

But I have returned the last essays to the students today and I have four days of easterholidays in front of me. So even if there are things waiting to be done - like cleaning up the mess at my home, washing the dishes for the last two weeks, updating my course-materials etc. - I will write us off, back to Scarburg during the vacation.

So anyone willing to add anythnig there, plese do it soonish.

Heh, my usual March-Madness turned out to be partially an April-Madness as well. :rolleyes:

[Folwren]

Great to see you back, Nogrod. :D

I started writing a post yesterday morning and got stuck rather badly, so I'm glad you're here to take the helm.

-- Folwren

[Nogrod]

Foley: if you had ideas, please share them (either here or via PM). I'm quite at odds with how to wrap it up. Probably not with a bang but with a whimper of sorts.

A general question to everyone.

As it looks it's not too energising to write about these landlords and the relations between the Mead Hall and them (at least on this level), should I write our characters checking all of the three and decide on an overall outcome / arrangement? I think I could do it in a way that leaves doors open to any future tensions that might lighten up the storyline later on if wished, but which could stay behind if we did not wish to go for that direction in the general narrative.

So what say you?

[Nogrod]

After checking the last posts (so I have written the last time like over a month ago? Jesus!), I think there is quite little to wrap up as I hadn't noticed Foley's last post until now. She does a fine job in moving things forth there.

But still, if you have any ideas Foley (or anyone), let me know. I'll bring the men back to Scarburg tomorrow with some general ideas of the situation.

[littlemanpoet]

Cognizant that I was not asked, I offer my 2 cents humbly: perhaps it would be best in the future to handle "off Scarburg" storylines as separate, temporary rpg's so that they don't threaten to overwhelm the Scarburg happenings.

[Nogrod]

Cognizant that I was not askedWell, I did say "everyone", and "anyone"... So you think you belong to neither of the groups, then? :D

perhaps it would be best in the future to handle "off Scarburg" storylines as separate, temporary rpg's so that they don't threaten to overwhelm the Scarburg happenings.That sounds a good idea - and I think that has been done before. When we started this one I did think it would be over pretty fast as people were writing actively back then... Well, it didn't turn out quite that way. :(

But we should be back in Scarburg pretty soon. Let's hope the new RPG's haven't stolen all our writers...

[Nogrod]

The men are coming back to Scarburg!

Party-time! (Let's hope this party doesn't turn out quite so vicious the previous one did... :rolleyes:)


Foley: I used your post but made a few minor changes, mainly to what Athanar said...


So, back on track we are.

NB. I think that leaving the descriptions of the lords' thoughts as well as the thoughts of Athanar concerning them - or the details of the deal they made - pretty vague is a good idea. They have somekind of a deal but it's not anything firm or clear. If we ever want to come back to this side of the general plotline we can open it up and go for scenarios where the lords try to hit back in one way or another; or to come back to how things go between Friduhelm and Faramundc etc.

But for the time being I think we should lay this plotline aside as it clearly doesn't make people enthusiastic to write about.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, now that was creepy, if anything. Can anybody explain it to me? Forum server collapse and refreshing with some data getting lost, or what?

I am referring to the fact that I have posted here and on the game thread yesterday, like, maybe 9 PM my time (or somesuch), and now both the posts are gone AND my PM which I sent to LMP is gone as well from my "sent mail" box? Likewise, Foley had commented on my post alter then, and this post is nowhere to be seen as well... what the heck happened? (And I notice, as I have changed my signature at that time - or actually several hours later, it went also back to what it was before, so I'm really suspecting some server-down thingy?)

Anyway, to sum up (in a very abbreviated way) what I have said in my post:

- I agree with what was said about handling timeline outside Scarburg, hopefully however now we don't intend to leave Scarburg much for some time now.

- In my post, I am bringing back the issue with Thornden-Coen, also just reminding Dury and Foley if they wanted to do something about that, now that the party is back...

- LMP, at some point (sooner or later), I would like Hilderinc to approach Falco, if you wish, we could maybe make a co-post out of it. I have also sent you a PM about it, but since it has disappeared from my PM box, not sure if it reached you - please let me know if you received my PM or not. If not, I will write and send to you a new one.

Gah, this just really annoys me. I am at least glad that I am saving posts I write on the game thread to my computer, so that it's not lost. Thus, reposting it rightaway.

[Formendacil]

You're lucky you saved your post, Legate. I noticed there was something... weird... with the forum yesterday. It was behaving at bedtime as though it were noon--not in terms of timestamp, but in terms of what was new... and when it thought I was logged in.

Glad to know it wasn't just me.

(and, yes, I'm still reading along with everything in Scarburg... I just haven't felt that Nain needed to make one of his erstwhile appearances toDay, and toDay has been very, very long)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Hey, nice to hear you are still following us, Form... even the knowledge of having a reader cheers up :)

And yes, I am really grateful for saving my RPG posts on my computer - I have been doing it more like irrationally, or at first, it was because of "drafting" the posts, later also because it serves as a good overview of what I had been posting (and useful tool to look up things I have posted a long time ago easily), but now it came really handy... might be even a good reason for the others to get the same habit, if you aren't doing that already - just in case...

[littlemanpoet]

- LMP, at some point (sooner or later), I would like Hilderinc to approach Falco, if you wish, we could maybe make a co-post out of it. I have also sent you a PM about it, but since it has disappeared from my PM box, not sure if it reached you - please let me know if you received my PM or not. If not, I will write and send to you a new one.I got it in my email in box and wrote you a new response, Legate. Let me know if you don't t get it.

[Folwren]

I wondered what was going on, too...

Legate, I responded to your post, as I think you saw. I still intend to post sometime today, but things are not going exactly as planned. I didn't go to work, and I've been doing crazy stuff like running and riding horses and visiting my nephews all day instead. :D

It's time for lunch and then homework. Maybe this evening will give me some writing time.

-- Folwren

[Folwren]

Well, I was going to write a longer post, but there was nothing else to say. Ha.

[littlemanpoet]

Well, I was going to write a longer post, but there was nothing else to say. Ha.
Same here. Ha ha.

[Folwren]

Legate, I kind of pushed Hilerinc in Falco's direction, in a manner of speaking. You can do whatever you liked. I took the liberties of having him standing nearby from your post above which said that at some point you wanted Hilderinc to talk to the hobbit.

Elempi, I've sent Thornden in search of Harreld, Elempi. I didn't know where you wanted him, so I didn't say he was in the smithy, but I kind of indicated he wasnt' in the hall. But I could be wrong.

-- Foley

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Legate, I kind of pushed Hilerinc in Falco's direction, in a manner of speaking. You can do whatever you liked. I took the liberties of having him standing nearby from your post above which said that at some point you wanted Hilderinc to talk to the hobbit.

Yes, why not. We have been working on a co-post with LMP for some time now, so we can just as well prepare to post it now with Hilderinc approaching Falco just after Thornden leaves and nudges him. We just need to communicate about it a bit, but the opportunity looks good to me, Foley, so I am fine with you giving it to me here.

[littlemanpoet]

I've posted and PM'd. Back to Foley and Legate; I'd say our PM post is almost ready....

[Folwren]

lol...I don't know why, but this scene is so hard for me to write. If Thornden were a woman, I'd know exactly how to write it. Girls are good at prying for emotional information, but I've no idea how to wrie for a guy. Geez.

Anyway, I've posted again.

[littlemanpoet]

If you will accept my humble suggestions as to how a man would say what you have put in Thornden's mouth. One trick for writing men versus women is that, in general, once a woman's tongue is loose, it stays loose, whereas words come haltingly to men, especially in tricky situations like this. In general, whereas a woman would fill the silence in order to cover the discomfort, for men, the discomfort is in finding the words in the first place. ;) The below might be more of a man's way.

Thornden opened his mouth but the words came slowly. “Saeryn didn’t know about a letter.” He tried to work out his thoughts before he said something he'd regret. “Ginna would have told her if it gave no blessing." He paused, trying to gauge his listener's reaction; there was none. "His disapproval never kept her from ... showing interest in you before. This cannot be final…unless…did he say she had to leave?”

The above is far from perfect as an illustration of what a man might say versus a woman. But maybe you can see the gist of what I mean? Another trick is using a euphemism for the word, "love". Harreld will know what he means, but be grateful Thornden avoided the word. In fact, I may want to edit my last post for Harreld if you revise yours. Let me know....

[Lhunardawen]

Far be it from me to make your life difficult, Foley, but it seems to me logical to have Saeryn ask Ginna about the letter as well. Is it feasible?

[Folwren]

Elempi, thank you very much for your advice. I will revise my post as you suggested. And I will not make another post for Thornden until you have decided whether or not you'll be re-doing yours. But in the mean time, I'll write a post for Saeryn, because Lhuna said...

Far be it from me to make your life difficult, Foley, but it seems to me logical to have Saeryn ask Ginna about the letter as well. Is it feasible?

Absolutely! I'm on it.

[littlemanpoet]

Elempi, thank you very much for your advice. I will revise my post as you suggested. And I will not make another post for Thornden until you have decided whether or not you'll be re-doing yours.
There's no need for me to revise my post, upon rereading yours. Carry on! :)

Oooh boy, after reading the Saeryn post, if I were Ginna I'd burst into tears on the spot. This is getting terribly dire, isn't it?

[Folwren]

Oooh boy, after reading the Saeryn post, if I were Ginna I'd burst into tears on the spot. This is getting terribly dire, isn't it?

It is getting extremely exciting, if not dire. :D

[littlemanpoet]

It is getting extremely exciting, if not dire. :D

What, are you expecting a swift resolution? :smokin:

[Folwren]

No...but it's still exciting.

[Folwren]

Elempi, I added something for Thornden at the end of my last post on the game thread. If you think Harreld would respond to what Thornden said before leaving, then I can edit the end of my post to reflect that.

I don't like Javan being rewarded with coin. I think if Thornden was not so tired and had been thinking about it and also had not been worried about Harreld, he would have said something. Anyway, I doubt Javan will accept another silver piece.

-- Foley

[Lhunardawen]

Oooh boy, after reading the Saeryn post, if I were Ginna I'd burst into tears on the spot. This is getting terribly dire, isn't it?

I shouldn't have read this before the actual game! I mean of course given everything that's happening Ginna's right about ready to burst into tears any minute, but I don't want anyone to think you sort of directed that. :p Anyway, I'm off to read the game thread. This is exciting! :D

[littlemanpoet]

In case anybody wants proof of Falco's seemingly tall tale, go here: http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=5614

[Nogrod]

Great to see things moving again! I'll be with you tomorrow...

[littlemanpoet]

Foley, I'm glad you took out the parenthesis apology. :)

I was shocked that the post was not a PM post you both put together! Such sensitive writing! Foley this is one of your best pieces of writing (the only better one I can think of is about a coma...).

[Folwren]

lol...Elempi...I appreciate your praise, but it was a PM post, I just didn't have time to post up here on the discussion thread that it was. :)

I liked this post a lot, too. When we were done, Lhuna mentioned this was the first time we'd written together and she said she hopes we get to do it again soon. I hope so, too.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I have to note, I really like how this RPG seems to have come back to life again... nice posting all over the place!

[littlemanpoet]

lol...Elempi...I appreciate your praise, but it was a PM post, I just didn't have time to post up here on the discussion thread that it was. :)

I liked this post a lot, too. When we were done, Lhuna mentioned this was the first time we'd written together and she said she hopes we get to do it again soon. I hope so, too.Yes, on my re-read (can't get enough of it) it was clear that it HAD to be a PM post. Glad you two did it. Nice writing!

[Lhunardawen]

Awww Elempi, you're too kind. :o The post would have gone on longer, but it was getting late for me by then. No, actually, I just wanted to leave it hanging like that. :D

It was awesome to write that with Foley, particularly because it was rather spontaneous - I must say, nothing says spontaneous RP writing to me like doing it on Facebook! But I'm pleased with what came out of it, and I certainly hope to do it again. Maybe three-way next time. ;)

[Folwren]

Alright, folks, what's up? We had a great spurt of activity for a matter of four days or so and then naught for over twenty-four hours. Not cool. I notice WW is back in the running. I won't say what I was going to say in respect to that. I hope the Day in that is drawing to a close so some players can come back and post here.

Elempi left an opening for Nogrod in his last post. Of course, Falco was just assuming Athanar wanted to speak. He may not have a speech to give after all. And we're still in the midst of the conversation between Saeryn and Ginna...let's not stall for an indefinite amount of time, now. We want to keep this moving.

-- Foley

[littlemanpoet]

AI notice WW is back in the running. I won't say what I was going to say in respect to that.Good job of "not" saying it. XD

I have stuff simmering and ready for Harreld but we're not there yet. That's going to take Ginna showing up at the smithy.

[Folwren]

Good job of "not" saying it. XD

Yeah, thanks, that's what I thought. :rolleyes:

I have stuff simmering and ready for Harreld but we're not there yet. That's going to take Ginna showing up at the smithy.

Oh, good incentive for Lhuna and I to hurry up and finish our girly conversation. :D

-- Foley

[littlemanpoet]

Oh, good incentive for Lhuna and I to hurry up and finish our girly conversation.Keep it going. It's not often guys get to listen in on girly conversations.... ;)

[Folwren]

Keep it going. It's not often guys get to listen in on girly conversations.... ;)

Oh, don't worry. We'll finish it. Girls rarely leave something like this unfinished.

-- Foley

[Lhunardawen]

Even the game is silent (in my opinion), and only Nogrod and I signed up for it, so I don't think it's to blame...

I'm getting my post ready right now. :)

That's going to take Ginna showing up at the smithy.
What if it doesn't happen? :p

[littlemanpoet]

What if it doesn't happen? :pYeah right, and the sun doesn't shine during the day time. :p But really, if it doesn't happen then Harreld's purpose is achieved.

[Lhunardawen]

But really, if it doesn't happen then Harreld's purpose is achieved.

Now that's just mean. :p

Men. :rolleyes:

Anyway, the post I am supposedly writing independently is being co-written with Foley as we speak. I had forgotten how much fun this can be.

[Folwren]

Men. :rolleyes:

Yeah, they're surprisingly moody, aren't they? :p

Anyway, the post I am supposedly writing independently is being co-written with Foley as we speak. I had forgotten how much fun this can be.

What? already forgot? ;) It is fun.

[littlemanpoet]

Yeah, they're surprisingly moody, aren't they? Heck, women have always known that men can be moody. What might be surprising is how emotional men can be. ;)

[Lhunardawen]

I was not thinking so much of moody as... playing hard-to-get. And such pride! :p

It's up. The parts I wrote feel rushed to me, but there you have it.

[Folwren]

That's another co-post, by the way.

[littlemanpoet]

Legate, I didn't see your post until after I did mine. I'll edit mine to take yours into account.

Post edited.

[Nogrod]

It seems we're back on track. Good.

lmp: I'll try to come in for Falco & Athanar later today...

[Nogrod]

lmp: I ended my post with Athanar asking Falco about his friendship with Eodwine. As you have just written it in the dialogue between Falco and Hilderinc, I think you could just take it for granted that he tells it to Athanar (and he listens attentively) and move on to the time after Falco has already told the story... or of course if he won't tell it... :)

[Lhunardawen]

Foley, would I be right in assuming that the darting shadow is Ginna? If so, then she wouldn't be entering the kitchen but leaving it. Or is my understanding that, to get to the smithy from the kitchen, one would need to go through the hall and out of it incorrect?

I love Saeryn's reaction to seeing Thornden, by the way. :D

[Folwren]

Lhuna, there is a door from the kitchen to the outside. I figured Ginna would rather dart through the kitchen with only Kara and Frodides to maybe see her (they probably won't if they're working over the fire or something) than go through the crowded hall. She and Saeryn had been talking in the women's quarters right across the way from the kitchen.

I can chnage Ginna's route if you want.

[Lhunardawen]

Indeed? Haha, I really need to review a map of the place. :o Thanks for that, I'll change my post accordingly.

Lhuna, the girl with no sense of direction

EDIT: Ah, right, there is a door leading out. Say, this map doesn't say where the smithy is...

[Folwren]

No...when I created it, I wasn't thinking about the smithy. It would be on the same side as the stables, I think, because horses would often be going there for their shoes to be taken on or off, but set apart, so there'd be no risk of fire and such.

What page is the map on, by the way? Iwant to look it up, too.

-- Folwren

[Lhunardawen]

I went to the first page of this thread and followed the breadcrumbs - I mean clicked one link after another. :)

[Folwren]

I went to the first page of this thread and followed the breadcrumbs - I mean clicked one link after another. :)

Oh, that's right. Pio did link it, didn't she? Okay, great, thanks.

-- Foley

[Lhunardawen]

Oh, by the way, this means Thornden couldn't have seen Ginna leave because the room where she and Saeryn came from is right above the kitchen.

Also, Elempi and I are PM-building a post for Ginna and Harreld.


EDIT: Scrap that, the quarters are beside the kitchen, not above it, so there's still a chance to be seen.

[littlemanpoet]

The Ginna-Harreld post is already long, so I decided to post up what's done so far. Hope that's okay, Lhuna.

[Lhunardawen]

Huh, I didn't even notice that it was already long. Facebook messaging is misleading. Anyway, I have no problem with that, Elempi. I like that it breaks this...heavy post into parts.

[Folwren]

Huh, I didn't even notice that it was already long. Facebook messaging is misleading. Anyway, I have no problem with that, Elempi. I like that it breaks this...heavy post into parts.

Yeah, well, I don't know if I like it. I like the post, but I don't like the wait to see what happens next. :eek:

[Lhunardawen]

Elempi, I hope you don't mind that I posted ahead, too.

(I want to drag this out as lengthily and painfully as possible. *evil laughter*)

[littlemanpoet]

Okay, if that ended too smuschy, let me know and I'll change it.:rolleyes:

[Folwren]

To whom are you directing that question, Elempi?

I wrote Durelin to ask her about Coen's movements, but I haven't heard back from her. I'm unsure what to do if she doesn't write back. I dont want to hold the game up... I think we still have time, but things are beginning to slow down for the evening.

-- Foley

[Lhunardawen]

Okay, if that ended too smuschy, let me know and I'll change it.:rolleyes:
Thank you, Elempi. I love it. That's what I hoped Harreld would do, which is why I didn't write Ginna as having actually left.

And it was brilliant to use my words as Ginna's. ;)

Anyway, so I was hoping that in between our Harreld and Ginna posts we would get to read from other characters. What's going on?

[Folwren]

Anyway, so I was hoping that in between our Harreld and Ginna posts we would get to read from other characters. What's going on?

I for one have nothing to write. Lommy I think is out of town. Legate probably has little to do. See my post above about Durelin. Nogrod could post, I guess.

Hey, Nogrod you could try writing Durelin. She said she might do a PM constructed post in a previous PM she sent us.

-- Folwren

[littlemanpoet]

I for one have nothing to write.
-- FolwrenWhat, there's nothing that Thornden and Saeryn have to say to each other???

Thanks, Lhuna. :) If felt right, but I wanted to be sure.

[Lhunardawen]

What, there's nothing that Thornden and Saeryn have to say to each other???
Exactly what I was thinking. I'd love to see more of the awkwardness. ;)

[Folwren]

I have thought of no good way to have them meet. Thornden isn't going to get up and follow Saeryn into the kitchen!

At least, I don't have any plans for him to do so at this point. It may be that when I am finished writing my two last papers for school, I'll feel a little differently about it. But not necessarily.

-- Folwren

[littlemanpoet]

It may be that when I am finished writing my two last papers for school, I'll feel a little differently about it. But not necessarily.Excuses, excuses. ;)

I have thought of no good way to have them meet. Thornden isn't going to get up and follow Saeryn into the kitchen!So come up with a BAD way to have them meet. :D

[Folwren]

So come up with a BAD way to have them meet. :D

:rolleyes: Okay, okay. Sheesh. But still after I finish these two papers.

[Folwren]

Okay, a post is up. I started it yesterday morning, and only just now finished it, so it's a little disjointed and doesn't flow as well as I liked. Anyway, they didn't meet in a very good way, Elempi....and I had Saeryn act from her emotions as you suggested the other night. I feel really bad for Thornden.

-- Foley

[Lhunardawen]

Poor Thornden, indeed! That's twice he got a "none of your business" within the span of maybe an hour.

“You’re not Eodwine!” Saeryn said. “And you will never take his place!”
I love this line.

[littlemanpoet]

Poor Thornden, indeed! That's twice he got a "none of your business" within the span of maybe an hour.Great post, Foley! :) That line has got to make him think and wonder.

[Folwren]

Great post, Foley! :) That line has got to make him think and wonder.

Yes...it probably will. As well as her whole change of behavior. It is so opposite o what it was before she talked to Ginna.

[Thinlómien]

Great posts, everyone. I really like how deep all these characters have become, and even kind of accidentally.

This is to say, I have finally caught up after weeks of guests, laziness and schoolwork and I will try to post today (or tomorrow). I just need to see what my characters are up to and how they are feeling, I think poor Wulfric will soon be contemplating hanging himself or something... I think he's not used to disappointments and now he's getting them all the time.

[Folwren]

What new disappointment has there been?

-- Foley

[Thinlómien]

What new disappointment has there been?Wulfric can make a disappointment out of anything, you'll see... ;)

[Nogrod]

I posted the short meeting of Coen and Athanar which we have written together Foley and I.

Super-post Foley, the one just before our co-post!

[Folwren]

Thanks, Nogrod.

Legate, I had Coenred approach Hilderinc and then stopped the post there so that you can post something, too, if you so desire.

-- Foley

[littlemanpoet]

Brrrrr! This is ominous. And I knew it was coming, too!

Question: Does Eodwine know Saeryn's pregnant? Does anybody at Minas Tirith?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Legate, I had Coenred approach Hilderinc and then stopped the post there so that you can post something, too, if you so desire.

Good, I'll take a look at it, and nice to see that people are posting... I don't have time right now to post, but hopefully I will post by this time tomorrow, or several hours from then...

[Folwren]

Yes, Eodwine knows. She was, I think, two months along when he fell ill...? She pretty much conceived right after marriage, I think.

-- Foley

[littlemanpoet]

Yes, Eodwine knows. She was, I think, two months along when he fell ill...? She pretty much conceived right after marriage, I think.

-- FoleyYou THINK? ;)

(Thanks)

[Folwren]

Hey, don't try twisting my words. :mad: I KNOW it was after marraige, I just don't know how soon afterwards.

[littlemanpoet]

Hey, don't try twisting my words. :mad: I KNOW it was after marriage, I just don't know how soon afterwards.

Whoa! Slow down! :D You misunderstood. Of COURSE Saeryn THINKS she was 2 months along. She doesn't have a scope to her belly to determine exactly when conception happened.

[Thinlómien]

I wanted to write Wulfric angst, but then I read Nogrod's post and wanted to have Wilheard overhear stuff, so I ended up writing something else. I hope you like my manly soldier talk. :p I used Osmund, one of Eodwine's soldiers, he was mentioned at least in Nogrod's ooold posts when Stigend and a few soldiers were fetching wood for the Scarburg Meadhall. Maybe somebody should also make a list of these old soldier NPCs? Anyway (to speak like Osmund :D) I wanted to say that I'm going away for the weekend and I just wrote a novel, so Wulfric (and Modtryth and Cnebba) will have to wait until I come back. But I like the recent plot developments in this RPG...

[Folwren]

Oh dear! Athanar and Coen were overheard? :o Not a good thing. That was quite a humorous post, though, Lommy. It made me laught. :D

-- Foley

[Folwren]

Apparently this little discussion between Athanar and Coen did not turn out quite so private as we first supposed...:eek:

[littlemanpoet]

Apparently this little discussion between Athanar and Coen did not turn out quite so private as we first supposed...:eek:

Sorry. Believe it or not, I thought of Falco overhearing before I read Lommy's post. I asked myself the question, which character has something that could be written right now, and about what? Eodwine? No. Harreld? Not right now. Falco? Ooh, they've forgotten he's right there, or if they didn't, they haven't reckoned with Hobbits' keen ears and ability to not be seen when they don't want to be. The latter is, of course, not quite what's going on because Falco hasn't moved, but hey.

[Folwren]

Which is funny, because in the post with Athanar and Thornden, Nogrod notes that Athanar makes certain Falco isn't listening...or can't hear...I forget the exact words.

Does Falco really not like Thornden? I really wasn't sure quite where they stood on a friendship, but apparently it's worse off than I imagined. ;)

-- Foley

[littlemanpoet]

Big Folk don't know how well Hobbits can hear. ;) Does Falco really not like Thornden? I really wasn't sure quite where they stood on a friendship, but apparently it's worse off than I imagined.Not really. ...did not think over-well... ... does not mean he dislikes him; rather, it means he does not think as well of him as he might. Lotsa room for maneuvering. ;)

[Thinlómien]

Hi bunnies,

as some of you might have seen on FB, Nog is currently in hospital recovering from surgery (don't ask what it is, I have no idea what it is called in English but although it's painful it's not dangerous so don't worry) so that's why he hasn't been around for a few days and might still be away for some more. So if we're on a hurry to go on, we can leave him out of our calculations and let him catch up later. :)

As for meself, I shall post today at least for Wulfric, maybe for the others too.

[littlemanpoet]

Whoa. I guess that's one way to put it, Lhuna. :eek: Funny, Harreld never did quite come out and say it the way Ginna did, but he might as well have, eh? :(

[Nogrod]

So. I went through a nasty operation and after two weeks in hospital I am back home again. Nothing serious any more I think. It was just that the operation didn't went so well they first thought it would go and thus I had to undergo another one...

I'll be coming back to this during the weekend.

[Nogrod]

Heh, I just saw Lommy's explanation of my situation...

According to my dictionary I had a hernia. I had had it already a year but it just got real nasty one morning two weeks ago. After having a few classes at school it started to be that bad I thought it better to go to hospital. It turned out (at the operation) that one of the minor arterials in my stomach had been damaged and there were two litres of blood in there running free denying the surgeons from an easy operation... therefore they had to cut my stomach full open - and that takes time to recover from. But as I said, nothing more serious than that. It will just take time. But I should be able to use my computer while recovering...

[Folwren]

Nogrod, I am very glad to hear that you are back. Too bad the surgeons had to re-operate, but hopefully now you will recover fully. We'll be looking forward to your getting back in the game...especially me and that PM... :eek:

Lommy, no wonder you couldn't figure out how to quite describ a hernia in English. lol. :D

-- Foley

[Folwren]

Hey, Nogrod - perhaps your signature should be, "Well, I'm back," he said. :p

[littlemanpoet]

Rest a lot and heal up, Noggie! :)

[Nogrod]

Hey, Nogrod - perhaps your signature should be, "Well, I'm back," he said. :pCouldn't resist it... :D

[Nogrod]

I have now posted a PM-post long overdue by me & Foley.


Foley: feel free to either post or to PM me with how that should continue.


Haha Lommy: Nice!

[littlemanpoet]

Woo hoo! :D Great stuff, you two! :D Let the conflict proceed with all the subtlety and one-up-manship Athanar and Thornden can bring to bear! :D

[Thinlómien]

Legate - please tell me if you'd like me to change anything.

As a sidenote, I really like my two noble brats. They might be horrible sometimes, but I like them.


ps. I hope Athanar is not going to be too lenient with Thornden. :p

[Folwren]

ps. I hope Athanar is not going to be too lenient with Thornden. :p

lol. You are SO kind. I don't care what he does, I just want it over with. Staying nervous for one's character for this long is not a healthy thing, I'm sure.

-- Foley

[Nogrod]

Staying nervous for one's character for this long is not a healthy thing, I'm sure.Sorry to have kept you waiting Foley. Even if I'm at the combined vacation / sick-leave it seems I get very little done as I seem to sleep half of the days... When one's body uses the most of its' energy in to the recovering-process it feels like one's head is quite energy-less due to that.

But hey, lord Athanar has now thrown a challenge to Thornden. I hope you enjoy it! It's not an easy place for Thornden... :)

PS. Foley: if you think Thornden would like to address some of the other things Athanar mentioned in my post please pay heed that lord Athanar would have none of it before Thornden answered the last question. So if you think Thornden would like to start from some other issue, you can write Athanar making it quite clear he wil listen nothing before his question is answered - quite in the way he did when hearing Lithor & Erbrand back then. That's a trait he will always be stern over: if he asks something as the lord, the subject will have to answer the question. :rolleyes:

It's also a question of writing. It's a lot of fun to write the discussion between the two, but as we're not sure when the other is able to continue, it easily turns into long monologues leaving the other writer a host of things to comment on.

So after we have dealt with this question, and if you think Thornden would like to bring other issues to the fore, we should then construct a PM discussion of them?

But that's only if...

[Folwren]

Okay, Nogrod. Thanks for the tips and thoughts.

Hmph. That's not fair to hit the ball back in my court at this interval of the conversaiton. So not fair. :p I'll do what I can. I am currently not home...but I will try to write something over the course of the next day or two. I don't think I can do it tonight.

I think I am liking just writing these individual posts as opposed to a PM post. And don't worry about there being monologues. I will write only what I think Thornden would say without trying to draw it out to make a post 'long enough', whatever length that may be. And in a real conversation, usually a person will wait until the other is finished speaking. However, that being said, if in any post that I write you think that Athanar would interrupt if you had a choice, tell me so, and I can edit it accordingly. I have no problem in getting rid of part of a post if your character would stop the flow earlier.

-- Folwren

[Folwren]

I actually wrote that last post by hand last night right before falling asleep. Nogrod, let me know if anything needs to be changed...I don't know if Athanar would interrupt him or not. If we need to discuss stuff by PM, that's fine. As I said above, I am liking these individual posts.

-- Foley

[Nogrod]

Nogrod, let me know if anything needs to be changed...I don't know if Athanar would interrupt him or not. He would not indeed. That was a great post! I need to think about it for a moment (I'll try to write it tomorrow).

Heh, if I let you in a tight situation, you sure delivered the ball back to me with that. :rolleyes:

(Well, there sure are issues of what any character knows about things etc. but it will be very unpleasant for Athanar... Let's see how he reacts.)

[Folwren]

(Well, there sure are issues of what any character knows about things etc. but it will be very unpleasant for Athanar... Let's see how he reacts.)

Yes, it is extremely unpleasant. I hope it's not too tight a situation for you. You're creative enough to figure out what to do, though, I am certain.

Please don't keep us waiting too long. I don't know if I speak for any others, but I for one am very anxious to see what happens next.

I think, deep inside, I agree with Lommy when she says not to let Athanar let Thornden off too easy. I guess I'm just ensuring that. :p

[littlemanpoet]

It's pretty fun reading some awesome posts, not having anything to write myself. Maybe Falco's keen ears might generate some thoughts, maybe not. ;)

[Folwren]

Nogrod, if we can finish this thing soon, we can move on to another day...

Please don't keep up waiting too long. :eek:

[Nogrod]

I'll be finishing it tomorrow... sorry for the delay. :(

[Folwren]

Awesome.

[littlemanpoet]

What the - - - ? Noggie! What is Athanar thinking? :eek:

This - er - will be very interesting. Duel to the death, or injury?

As I said, 'what the - -- ?'

[Nogrod]

Duel to death with bare hands... :D

Heh, it might not be what it looks like being, though. Let's see about it. ;)

[Folwren]

Thornden won't fight him. Good gracious. You DO know that right? :eek: I'm sitting in a hot camper and your post still made me go cold in at least one point. Nice post. I'm on free time, now, and am feeling quite energetic. I think I'll reply. :D

-- Foley

[littlemanpoet]

Hah! :D Thornden never was all that great at subtlety. ;) Looks like Athanar is going to have to spell out what he hoped to convey indirectly. Or was Athanar posing the question to test Thornden in a new way? Eeeeeenteresting!

[Lhunardawen]

Nogrod, if we can finish this thing soon, we can move on to another day...

And I for one hope that Eodwine returns on said day. Wishful thinking?

Off to read the game thread. Sounds exciting. :D


Edit: After reading the posts, I've come to these realisations:

1. Athanar, like Eodwine, is a tad crazy, albeit a different brand of crazy. :p
2. I'm glad Ginna would never even think of marrying Thornden, because then I would totally try to steal him from her. :Merisu:

[Nogrod]

Fun.

Foley, I made the few changes to my previous post you asked me.

Lhuna: aren't all "rulers" a tad crazy as they have to be to gain that position to begin with? ;)

[Folwren]

Nogrod, I am so sorry to make an issue about this last thing, but it seemed SO awkward for me to have them walk in together like that. I don't know why...just me...I'm guessing it's because I come from a very non-touchy sort of family...? I dunno. But the two men just left looking like they were about to kill each other, and, well, to come back in clasping each other's shoulders seemed like overkill.

I obviously way over-think these things. I hope neither you nor Athanar are insulted. Though, it'd kinda be funny if Athanar misunderstood and was. Except for the fact that this day should really wind down soon.

2. I'm glad Ginna would never even think of marrying Thornden, because then I would totally try to steal him from her. :Merisu:

Lhuna, that is one of the two best compliments ever paid to my character. Actually...I'd probably say it is the best...

[Nogrod]

Nogrod, I am so sorry to make an issue about this last thing, but it seemed SO awkward for me to have them walk in together like that. I don't know why...just me...I'm guessing it's because I come from a very non-touchy sort of family...? I dunno. But the two men just left looking like they were about to kill each other, and, well, to come back in clasping each other's shoulders seemed like overkill.

I obviously way over-think these things. I hope neither you nor Athanar are insulted. Though, it'd kinda be funny if Athanar misunderstood and was. Except for the fact that this day should really wind down soon.
Heh, you (and Thornden) seem to have misunderstood lord Athanar totally... I did actually think of making him clarify it in my last post but then thought it would be just surplus length to the post... :rolleyes:

No, he is not requiring Thornden to go in shoulder to shoulder physically like sportsmen after a goal but to either go with him in good terms together or to go differently and thus send a message things are wrong.

Now it looks like Thornden insists in entering the hall separately... just opposite of what Athanar suggested and thought important. Actually, looking at lord Athanar's character profile it would be quite natural he got mad again...

Long live misunderstandings. :cool:

I need to go to sleep now (1AM already), but I'll try to continue tomorrow earlyish. Hopefully I come up with a way that makes it possible to overcome this little problem we have here so that we can get forwards...

[Nogrod]

Okay. We (Foley & myself) have posted now and you can infer the two have entered back into the Hall, together and in decent terms. So if anyone wants still to make something out of this evening, you should do it in a day or two.

Then we could change the day as I have gotten the feeling there are some wishes for that to happen. :)

[Folwren]

Harrah! I was worried there at the end. Haha. :D

To where are we going to jump forward when we change days?

-- Foley

[Nogrod]

To where are we going to jump forward when we change days?It depends on what you guys look forwards to write. But it clearly looks like it has been quite quiet lately more or less only lord Athanar and Thornden doing things.


So how about Ginna & Harreld, how soon should we come back to them: the next day, a few days, a week, a few weeks?

From the POV of the general political matters we can easily skip a few weeks (unless Wulfric wishes to visit Faramund in a hurry - although even that could be written afterwards). Also I think there could be relative peace in the Mead Hall concerning the leadership issues and the relations between the men should actually be getting slowly better as they get to know each other more (and surely those succesful visits to local lords should have made good for their "belonging together" -feeling). So a week or two could pass just fine. But if we have reason to jump only to the next day, that's fine as well. There are things we might mull over there to be sure.

Any news on lord Eodwine?

Also, if there are no clear ideas what people would like to write now about, I might come up with some plots to generate some action. Any ideas you might have about those are welcomed, especially what kind of stuff would you like to write; personal relationships, doing something together, facing problems / challenges from outside...

[littlemanpoet]

So how about Ginna & Harreld, how soon should we come back to them: the next day, a few days, a week, a few weeks?

Any news on lord Eodwine?
My own opinion is that the Ginna-Harreld situation should be allowed to "stew in its juices" for a couple of plot weeks. It would be interesting to see where it leads both of them.

Eodwine is, for one thing, not a lord anymore. ;) For another, at least one plot week is needed for him to sufficiently heal up, a second week to travel (slowly) to Scarburg. So I'd just as soon at least 2 weeks passed, maybe more.

[Nogrod]

Eodwine is, for one thing, not a lord anymore. ;) For another, at least one plot week is needed for him to sufficiently heal up, a second week to travel (slowly) to Scarburg. So I'd just as soon at least 2 weeks passed, maybe more.Should there be some "news" about him reaching the Mead Hall first?

a) would that make interesting writing before he comes back, worth waiting for it?
b) is it possible, what would be the way any news about him could reach the MH?

Other ideas?

[Folwren]

I think that news of his return is not enough to hold the game up for another played out game-day. We'd be sure to find something to write about, and then who knows how long we'd end up playing that day...goodness, our last 'day' lasted a year, about.

Nogrod, your second question is answered easily enough. Eodwine wrote a letter to Saeryn almost as soon as he woke up, so she'll get news of him waking up.

Another question is if Saeryn will have gone to Minas Tirith until he recovered and then returned with him?

I make a vote to skip forward two and a half/three weeks to when Eodwine is returning.

-- Foley

[Nogrod]

Nogrod, your second question is answered easily enough. Eodwine wrote a letter to Saeryn almost as soon as he woke up, so she'll get news of him waking up.

Another question is if Saeryn will have gone to Minas Tirith until he recovered and then returned with him?I think we need answers to both of these questions before we continue.

When would Saeryn get the letter (does it happen while we "jump") and will she go? And when would Eodwine be good enough to travel - so when would they be back?

And do we have any other pressing matters meanwhile if that all takes time.

Winter is coming, you know... :rolleyes: (sorry, couldn't help but to quote that)

[Folwren]

Other pressing matters like bringing in grain and food and whatever other taxes the other landlords owe them could be written about, but are not required to write very detailed and indepth accounts from all the players.

Eodwine's letter would come within the week following Athanar's arrival.

Saeryn would want to go to him as soon as she found out he was conscious, yes. :) I can't go into more detail now, I'm really short on time, but I may be back on this evening to write more about what I think my characters would do in the next few weeks.

I really don't know when Eodwine would be ready to travel or how long it would take. I imaging Elempi has some idea on that. :)

-- Foley

[Nogrod]

Other pressing matters like bringing in grain and food and whatever other taxes the other landlords owe them could be written about, but are not required to write very detailed and indepth accounts from all the players.I will do that with a "jump post" - as well as the latest of the building-project as they have to prepare for winter and the Mead Hall is anything but ready yet.

Eodwine's letter would come within the week following Athanar's arrival.So like in a few days? That would be okay. But we need to know whether she is going to sneak away without telling anyone, whether she just tells her closest trustees or whether it will be common knowledge where she goes. Actually I do think the last option is the only viable one as the others would raise too many questions (and answers) and I don't actually see a reason why she would hide her reason to take the trip and where it would be: a pregnant woman would need a party to escort her and to that she would probably need some kind of agreement with lord Athanar anyway... which he would grant of course.

But if (and when) all that is known in a few days we'd need to have an understanding how people would react to that. It's two weeks or something and that kind of news could change the dynamics there.

I really don't know when Eodwine would be ready to travel or how long it would take. I imaging Elempi has some idea on that. Looking forwards to it


*~*

But meanwhile, I'd also like to hear from the others.

I know Legate is in an archaeological excavation-site and will be back only in a week or two (RL), Lommy is having Greenie visiting her in Prague for a few days still.

But how about Lhuna, Form, Dury, Fea, Mnemo, Nienna, others?

I quess this King's players eats up the resources of many who could post here, but let's hope we can hear from others than just the three of us. It would be a sad game if it was written by three people (even if I'm in no doubt we three could write a nice story together) - it would not be a Mead Hall.

[Lhunardawen]

My own opinion is that the Ginna-Harreld situation should be allowed to "stew in its juices" for a couple of plot weeks. It would be interesting to see where it leads both of them.
Lhuna agrees. And I think we need Eodwine to return for there to be any significant change in their situation. I think.

[Formendacil]

But how about Lhuna, Form, Dury, Fea, Mnemo, Nienna, others?

Náin doesn't have a story arc, and is more or less designed so that he can either be present in Scarburg or absent on a given day without much difficulty, so I don't have a huge preference for jumping ahead more or less as far as he is concerned--a slightly longer jump would give him time to have scurried back to the Glittering Caves and returned, but it's not important.

From a less character-based perspective, I'd lean towards a longer jump. I don't really think we need to see reactions from the news of Eodwine's recovery--or, to put it more precisely, I think the reactions themselves would be nice, but that it isn't enough to justify a whole Day, and the side stuff that would come up would bog the day down--and since I know that Elempi has been itching for quite a while already to get Eodwine back into action, it seems like we should just jump to his actual return.

As for Saeryn, although she'd obviously want to be with him, I wonder if she would really be allowed to go. A pregnant woman--and a lady at that--would likely be discouraged from travelling, and Athanar (or whoever else--maybe Winflaed--that would have to tell her as much) might use the argument that "he's recovering--that means he'll come back to YOU, so you don't need to risk his child by going to him). It might also be more dramatically fun to see what happens when Eodwine returns to find Saeryn fuming at the Family Athanar, with himself simultaneously glad to see her and glad that Athanar didn't let her go, yet irritated at Athanar for denying her--on top of the whole "two Eorls" conundrum for the rest of the settlement.

But that's just my two cents.

[Folwren]

Heh. Form's thoughts are interesting. I wouldn't mind playing it either way - she goes, or is required/talked into staying. Either way would be interesting. Nogrod has the final say on that.

-- Foley

[Nogrod]

I do actually like Form's idea... sounds realistic. I had some reservations for a pregnant woman taking a trip already in my earlier post but I think Form though it further. And like he said, it could offer us some nice things to toy with...

[littlemanpoet]

I could see Eodwine's letter including words for Saeryn to STAY THERE BECAUSE I WILL BE HOME SOON ENOUGH. He knows she is with child (I cannot imagine an Eorling saying the word, "pregnant" without stumbling over his own tongue), and will not want her scurrying to Minas Tirith.

I'm also interested in something IMPLIED in Form's post - we could make the jump a good deal longer than 2 to 3 weeks.

I had notions of Falco being surprised to meet Eodwine half way between Edoras and Minas Tirith.

[Folwren]

I don't really care how long the jump is. The longer it is, the more progressed Saeryn's pregnancy. I just care so long as Eodwine comes back...but maybe not so long in advance that all is calm and cool about Athanar's presence still. I don't know. And I am not thinking clearly right now, anyway, so don't really listen to me.

Gotta run.

-- Foley

[littlemanpoet]

No, not too long. Like Foley said, we need to pick it up soon enough to gather up the various strands of tension and conflict.

[Nogrod]

We'd also need to hear from the owners of the newer characters and what they think about the length of the jump as they need to do some adjusting (thinking how their characters will fit in the Mead Hall as they have now been there for only a few - quite eventful - days). Maybe we should hold a short genberal discussion about it even here? How will Wynflaed fit in the household, How about Aedre & the other children, how about the soldiers; Coen, Hilderinc?

I'll PM Lommy, Legate, Mnemo, Nienna, Lottie and Dury at least to wake them up... ;)

[Folwren]

I think we need more female characters in play. Females are definitely out numbered at Scarburg, and I don't know why. Wouldn't there be more women and such? I'll come up with one. Any idea of where she would fit in?

-- Foley

[littlemanpoet]

I'm thinking about bringing Rowenna back...

[Loslote]

Oh, I'm sorry - I totally forgot about this. :o I'll start keeping up with the thread again, but for now I'm afraid I don't really have much to add. :)

[Folwren]

Rowenna would definitely be fun to have back, but I still think we need more women folk.

[Durelin]

Sorry if you've already discussed this...

Eodwine is at Edoras, right? So as soon as he's recovered, the King is going to know (unless the King isn't at 'court' which is possible but you know). Then I would think he would decide whether Eodwine is returning as the Eorl or not, though he might take into account Eodwine's desires. Would the King want him to return, or would he want him to stay on at Edoras with his having just recovered?

Just some thoughts. And a message from the King coming before Eodwine in addition to letters from Eodwine would make sense I would think. Then it might be up to Athanar if he announces publicly that Eodwine is returning and not as Eorl.

If that make sense?

As for a time jump, that sounds great. Enough of a time jump to freshen things up. I think jumping to Eodwine's return is just as good as anything.

I need to think on what Coen and the soldiers might be up to during this time; what the tensions have been like or whatever. I do know that Coen has been SO very frustrated the entire time and with the news that Eodwine is already recovered and coming back he is going to flip a little. He's probably going to see it as an insult to Athanar. But you know he's quiet about these things. Maybe some/all of the Athanar's men would feel the same way. Coen would keep them in line without telling them off because he would agree with them.

In Coen's mind he will be very wary of this whole thing. The new Eorl is just settling in and already Eodwine's returning to Scarburg. Even if Eodwine really doesn't want to be Eorl again (which, first of all, how would Coen know, and second, he wouldn't trust him on it one bit), people have loyalty to him. And Coen is certain that Eodwine's going to be meddling.

That's what would be going on in Coen's mind. I don’t know how much of it might be reflected in Athanar’s men. He will be doing his best to undo the division between Athanar’s men and those previously Eodwine’s men, especially with word of Eodwine’s return. But at the same time he’s going to feel like it shouldn’t be his problem, or that he really just wants to be rid of all these people coming so close (in his mind) to challenging the King’s word (and of course Athanar’s). So I can see some problems among the soldiers. Maybe the men who know Coen realizing how troubled he is, and the men from Scarburg thinking they have a cold commander who hates everyone but his lord.

Oh, and Coen is on very cool terms with Thornden, of course. :p

Anyway, my thoughts; I hope they were what you were looking for? Sorry for a lot of self-important *my character thinks this* stuff.

[Nogrod]

Great to see you Dury - and you also brought up a very important topic!

Like you said, the King would know about Eodwine getting better and he would be the one to decide who runs the Mead Hall - and he would be very much cognizant of the possible rift producing in Scarburg as he has had the messengers telling him of the two now outlaws who had almost killed one of Athanar's men. And it would be very bad politics from him to first appoint lord Athanar as an eorl and immediately ripping him off the status - especially as he would have soon heard about his success in dealing with the local lords, well at least of the good beginning with it.

So what would king Eomer decide?

He would know Eodwine's greatest desire would be to meet his pregnant wife as soon as possible and he wouldn't have a heart (or wish) to deny it from him. So, Eodwine is coming to Scarburg anyway (as I don't think the king has authority or wish to summon Saeryn to Edoras either).

My gut feeling on this is that he would command Eodwine to take a "sick-leave" from his duties to totally recover as it sure was a serious thing and he survived against all the odds. So he would not appoint him back as an eorl at this moment but would rather ask him to help lord Athanar in any way with the Mead Hall for the time being. Then after he has fully recovered the issue would be brought up again, perhaps on some specified date given by him?

Thinking of it now, the king might actually whisper to Eodwine's ear just between the two that maybe he is going to establish a new Mead Hall the next year, or the next and might appoint Athanar there thus giving Eodwine back the hall he has founded. That would provide us years of writing (RL) with the two being there and looking how the relations between, well everyone, develop...


Well, that was just some quick thoughts on the matter. What do you think?

[Folwren]

Eodwine is not in Edoras, he is in Minas Tirith.

I am not very keen on politics at all, so I don't know what the king would say. We can do whatever people think best as to Eomer's response to the situation. It may be, Eodwine doesn't stick around in Minas Tirith long enough for word to pass from there to Edoras and back again for Eomer to order him to remain there. I rathe think Eodwine would arrive at the Meadhal without any heads-up as to the situation...unless, of course, Saeryn were permitted to go to him and then she would have told him. But, if Eodwine told Saeryn not to travel, he would not know what kind of stuff was going on.

That's my two cents, briefly thought out and briefly put. Do you suppose we could start the next day by Saturday at latest? I think I am going home tonight, so come tomorrow I'll have ample opportunity to think and write for the game. Cheers!

-- Foley

[Durelin]

Yea I wasn't sure if it was Edoras or Minas Tirith, but I kept seeing people talking about the time it would take to get from Edoras....

But wouldn't he still be expected to sort things out with the King? I mean he could certainly do what he wanted, and rush back without word getting to Edoras first, but the King would probably like to know what was going on with one of his eorls. At least something that needs to be kept in mind I think.

[Thinlómien]

Just popping in to say I'll catch up and take part in the discussion tomorrow (say 12-24h from now), and if you need Legate for something, he is back from his trip to Israel around Saturday noon (European time). :) In case there's something hyper urgent, ignore me/us, I/we can live with it. ;)

[Folwren]

Yea I wasn't sure if it was Edoras or Minas Tirith, but I kept seeing people talking about the time it would take to get from Edoras....

That's kind of funny. I didn't catch that at all. Whoops.

But wouldn't he still be expected to sort things out with the King? I mean he could certainly do what he wanted, and rush back without word getting to Edoras first, but the King would probably like to know what was going on with one of his eorls. At least something that needs to be kept in mind I think.

Yeah, eventually he's going to have to sort it out with the king, you're right. And the sooner the better. I still think it's potential that he's going to return home without doing so and without realizing that he should, and before any messenger or anybody can over take him.

Elempi, thoughts?

-- Foley

[littlemanpoet]

Eodwine will of course stop in Edoras to greet his lord. But word isn't going to run ahead of him to Edoras, so Eomer and everybody will be surprised.

Word from Edoras to Scarburg is another matter. I'm sure that Eomer will send a messenger on to Scarburg to announce Eodwine's impending return while Eodwine sleeps at least one night in Edoras.

As for any whisperings between Eomer and Eodwine, one of the things Eodwine will have found out is that he has been replaced as Eorl of Scarburg, rather recently.

Let's just say it goes something like this:

"I will have you know, Eodwine, that since every word from our healers and from those at Mundburg were that you were not likely to live, it was needful to have a new eorl in Scarburg who would be there to the end of his days. Do you remember Athanar?"

Eodwine was taken aback, but he saw the king's point. "Yes, I do. He is a good man; headstrong, but good."

The king smiled. "He is the new eorl. Will you return to Scarburg to stay, as a freeman holding Athanar as your eorl, or would you go elsewhere with your new wife?"

"I do have lands in Westfold I could rebuild on, but I think I need time, and I would not make Saeryn travel while she is with child. If Athanar is the eorl, and I am to be at Scarburg, I will pledge my sword and duty to him as long as I am there. Does that satisfy the king's curiosity?"

"Aye, it does," the king replied. "Help him, Eodwine. He will need it. The Middle Emnet has fallen to lawlessness and wilfullness among its Eorling landholders. Your counsel is wise, and he will be glad of it, and I will be glad of your presence there. And care for your wife."

"I will do as you ask, my lord."

I don't really see Eodwine as the ambitious type. He'd just as soon leave the eorling responsibility behind, although others may not realize that right away. As for an alternate eorldom for Athanar down the road, that's your call, Nogrod. It really doesn't matter to me.

[Folwren]

Great, Elempi. That should straighten things up for us enough to start, so far as Eodwine goes.

Nogrod, do you want to write an in-between post and then jump ahead?

About the alternate eorldom, I would just like to put forth the question - Why would a new eorldom be put forward? The middle Emnet was formed from the two other emnets and Eodwine was the first eorl of that emnet. I don't see a fourth and new one being created.

-- Foley

[Nogrod]

looking good.

Nogrod, do you want to write an in-between post and then jump ahead?I would, but as Greenie is over at my place it will be on Sunday-evening (afternoon in the US) the earliest. If someone wishes to move forwards already today you're welcome to it. I'll make a save into the thread marking the place of the jump-post (to newer writers: that's a practise used in earlier times but mostly discouraged nowadays - so do not follow my example... :)).

About the alternate eorldom, I would just like to put forth the question - Why would a new eorldom be put forward?We can actually forget about that question for the time being (for the next few years RL-wise). :rolleyes: It was an idea thrown out to solve the problem of there being two eorls and one Mead Hall - like after one year of game-time had gone or something (meaning we could be writing for several years RL-time before that would become actual). Also my idea was that the other Mead Hall could have been anywhere, like in the farthest West of Rohan or wherever. But like I said, there is no need to think about that in few years now.


ADD: lpm, what would be the time needed for Eodwine to come back aka. how long jump should we make - supposing we jump straight to the day when Eodwine comes back?

[Thinlómien]

1. Sorry for not posting yesterday like I promised. My excuse is so embarrassing I'm not posting it. ;)

2. The current Eodwine coming back scheme sounds good to me, and I will be curious to see people's reactions. (For example Wulfric and Wilheard's! Will they side with their dad based on family pride or will they watch the situation smugly, hoping to get something out of it?)

3. Time jump sounds good, and I don't really care about the length. Modtryth and Cnebba don't have anything special going on, and if Wulfric and Wilheard decide to do something I can always write it in retrospect.

[littlemanpoet]

I'd prefer it if we could make it longer than three weeks' jump, considering everything Eodwine has going:

1. recovering at Minas Tirith aka Mundburg - at least a week
2. slow travel to Rohan - 7 to 10 days?
3. Stopping in the Folde to pay a visit to Degas and company, Rowenna deciding to join him to go back to Scarburg. And of course Degas might choose to come along, too. Fea???? - at least 1 day
4. Meeting Falco on the road who is on his way to Minas Tirith. - any given day
5. Stopping in at Edoras for at least one night. - 1 to 3 days
6. The daylong trip to Scarburg. 1 day

All this could take quite a bit of time. I'm seeing at least 18 days, and possibly as many as 31 (or more).

I could post today, but I'm a little uncertain since we haven't determined how far the time jump is. I suppose I could go back and edit for that, or leave the time things take vague.

[Folwren]

I am about to go out with my dad and look for a car. If no one has posted by late this evening or even tomorrow, I may, whenever I have time.

-- Foley

[Lhunardawen]

I might have to dust off some cobwebs from my Downs memory, but I think there's a "no saves" rule in the Mead Hall? :D

Somehow I can't imagine Eodwine being back and not being the eorl, so this is interesting to see. Or hmmmm. He could just go back to the former mead hall, drag his original folk along, kick out the innkeeper, and take over. I'm sure Eomer King wouldn't mind. Then we could have two simultaneous RPGs running. :p :p

[Nogrod]

A jump of one month is okay with me.

That would mean we're somewhere in the late autumn / early winter - depending on what kind of a year we're looking at. I'd say anyone writing the first post there could make the choice (heh, whether Eodwine rides to Scarburg in rain and wind and mud or with the first snow crystals lightly falling on the frozen ground :)).

If someone has time to check the date, please do, but if no one has done it by tomorrow-evening; I'll check it.

Also, I will include in the "jump-post" a few general descriptions, like how the renovations are going, anything about the local lords, something of the general mood. Maybe some Athanar's personal thoughts as well.

But only that. Feel free to add things that have happened and are important enough to be mentioned from your character's POV.


PS. yeah Lhuna, I do think you're right about the saves, but I'll take the right into my hands in this situation to let you start writing already today...

[Folwren]

It would actually put us somewhere in December...I don't recall exactly what date. So it will be after the first snow-fall in their climate. I can check the date if I write a post.

Going back to the White Horse Inn/old mead hall to avoid conflict would just be boring. ;)

I might post this evening, later, but I dunno...I have papers to write for school. (For the record, I hate summer classes....)

[Folwren]

We need a time line.

Pio, could you please link this somewhere to the beginning posts? I'll research and edit it as we go on....

Here's a rough draft:

August 9 - Eodwine and Saeryn married.
Sometime in August - Saeryn conceives
Early Octoboer - Eodwine falls ill
October 9 - Eodwine becomes very ill and is moved to Edoras
October 10 - Three lords come to Scarburg and refuse to pay taxes
October 11-12 - Saeryn goes to Edoras, the king tells her he will appoint a new Eorl. Eodwine goes to Minas Tirith
November 11 - Athanar and his household come to Scarburg
November 12 - Erbrand nearly kills Scyrr. Erbrand and Lithor leave Scarburg.
November 13 - Athanar goes to the three landlords and exerts authority over them. Falco returns to Scarburg.

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[Mnemosyne]

Okay, I finally managed to mosey over to this.

Not much to say at the moment; I think Wynflaed will settle in pretty well. Let me reiterate the need for more women for her to interact with; however, as long as the King's Players (which was only supposed to last two weeks *grumble*) keeps going I am not going to be able to post very often at all.

The one other thing, I think, that needs to be said is this: no matter what Eodwine does, a lot of people at Scarburg are going to look to him for direction and are going to be ticked if he ends up saying "Athanar's in charge here, don't mind me..." because they would much rather have him as eorl. I suspect that's rather the point of all this, anyhow, but I didn't see anyone saying it explicitly.

So, if we know what we're getting into...

[littlemanpoet]

The one other thing, I think, that needs to be said is this: no matter what Eodwine does, a lot of people at Scarburg are going to look to him for direction and are going to be ticked if he ends up saying "Athanar's in charge here, don't mind me..." because they would much rather have him as eorl. I suspect that's rather the point of all this, anyhow, but I didn't see anyone saying it explicitly.Good point. I'm looking forward to writing through that. :)

[Folwren]

So, if we know what we're getting into...

We don't...that's what makes it so terribly exciting. :D

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Umps. I just wanted to post and LMP posted. Sorry, LMP, could you possibly remove your post and repost it after I post mine? I wanted to do it now, it is still related to the old stuff... although, of course, it's nothing important and I can post it later, but... well...

As for in general, I've been away for two weeks and now only I am reading through all (especially this thread) that happened... but whatever... sufficient to say, I agree with the time jump...

[littlemanpoet]

ok - - done

[Folwren]

Yay! People are posting! I'm so excited. I tried to write a post last night but couldn't get ANYTHING written. It was one of the worst cases of writer's block that I've ever had. I think it has to do with my stress level last night. :eek:

-- Foley

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, thank'ee, LMP! I have posted, so now you can repost yours (looked really interesting, as far as I saw :) ). Although I just realised that maybe that was for naught if Nogrod wants to anyway insert some mid-info about the past weeks before my post. But whatever, that can be solved later. Or maybe he can even post it later, since LMP's post isn't really talking about Scarburg itself, so the events happening meanwhile can be posted after it, and the older post inbetween deleted.

Anyway, going to finish reading this thread and all and then I can also comment, if there is still something to comment on, related to the game development...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, I think there's not much more to add, I think the plan is very good now as it is, like I already said.

We'd also need to hear from the owners of the newer characters and what they think about the length of the jump as they need to do some adjusting (thinking how their characters will fit in the Mead Hall as they have now been there for only a few - quite eventful - days). Maybe we should hold a short genberal discussion about it even here? How will Wynflaed fit in the household, How about Aedre & the other children, how about the soldiers; Coen, Hilderinc?)

And as for this, I think Hilderinc will blend in fairly well, as can be seen from his character: he had served many masters, and in many different environments, and if anything, he is very moderate person. Where others (all these Scyrrs and hotheads) might be a bit more aggressive or grumpy or rambling, he will be quiet and avoiding problems, and if they look like threatening the situation too much, he might try to even calm the situation down, if it is in his authority and power. And I think the common soldiers will eventually (more or less) blend in too: after all, they are just soldiers, and have to obey the orders. In time, you get mostly used to anything. So it should be, at least relatively, calm and unproblematic, and we can merrily await how conditions change after Eodwine's arrival ;)

[Nogrod]

Good, good, good...

My apologies, but due to matters of urgency in RL I have not being able to do as much as I would have liked to - or thought I was able to.

I need to pass my checking of the situation & plans with the renovations and stuff like that for tomorrow. So I will fill my save then (hopefully within 24 hours, about).

So especially lmp, if you can hold your horses in not describing vividly in your next post how the Mead Hall looks like in comparison to what he remembers it when he last saw for that much? I mean not going in too much detail, that is, untill you see my post tomorow.

Others can freely comment on any of their posts that those had been laboursome days (the month we jumped), as they had to really make an effort to get ready for winter and to house everyone inside in decent locations. And with the king's supplies they really had materials to do things.

And sure you lmp can say it has changed... :)

I think with the numbers we currently have at Scarburg they really should have made some real advancement, making it if not ready but at least livable and usable in all the Hall's major functions (kitchens, water-supplies, waste-issues, housing, decent main hall, stables & other farmsteads...).

[littlemanpoet]

Yes, I didn't want to describe Scarburg until I knew what has happened, so I'm happy to wait.

[Folwren]

Forgive me if there are spelling or typing errors. I wrote this post under interesting circumstances. :Confused:

Elempi, I did no write further to have them actually meet because I've run out of time and I'm not writing very well and I'd rather write that when my words are flowing more naturally than they are now. So, go ahead and have them meet, if you like.... I may be available to post in the fairly near future.

I will not say again that I am really excited, I think everyone knows that.

-- Foley

[Nogrod]

I have filled the "time jump" post.

It consists of two parts. One that handles the next two days after when we left writing and the other taking care of the renovations.

I have included little to nothing about the local lords there. I think it is better we can invoke them at any time we see calloing for some interesting outside pressure to the Mead Hall. For now on I think we have enough interesting things going on without meddling them into the pot - and also I didn't want to nail anything down on them now as to keep us free to do with them what we like later on.


And oh, Saeryn... :(

I'm almost willing to make a short post where someone comes in telling what she has done and let Athanar send someone after her. Though a miscarriage would be an interesting plotline to follow... But maybe she just went off secret... Crazy woman. :rolleyes:

PS. On a second thought, let's give Legate something to do as he's back now. Lord Athanar will send Hilderinc to follow her - and thus to meet lord Eodwine. A chance to make new acquintances if ever!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

PS. On a second thought, let's give Legate something to do as he's back now. Lord Athanar will send Hilderinc to follow her - and thus to meet lord Eodwine. A chance to make new acquintances if ever!

Lovely, I say :) Thank'ee. I very much enjoyed writing this.

And I left the door open to any of the participants - whoever wants to take the initiative. Let's see how we manage...

[Folwren]

She won't miscarry. The pregnancy is healthy, and it's only 4 months. The uproar is cracking me up.

-- Foley

[Folwren]

I left their actual meeting up to you, Eodwine, because I don't have time right now to do it. :) I won't be on again until late tomorrow afternoon.

EDIT: Oh, and I'd like to add and, "I'm sorry" to Hilderinc, Legate. Poor chap must be at his wit's end to see her break from a trot into a gallop like she did. Haha.

[littlemanpoet]

Um, Foley, my name is littlemanpoet aka Elempi. ;)

Sorry, I'll try to get something up today.

[Lhunardawen]

Um, Foley, my name is littlemanpoet aka Elempi. ;)
I shall channel Kara/Kath and say you're finally getting a taste of your own medicine. :p

[littlemanpoet]

I shall channel Kara/Kath and say you're finally getting a taste of your own medicine. :pLOL! :D

I have posted. Foley, your turn. :)

[Folwren]

I posted a post that Elempi and I co-posted, kind of. It is extraordinarily short, but that's all we had time for.

Legate, you can take it now, if you're available. If you're not, then Elempi or I can get them back to the hall.

-- Foley

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Posted. I find this whole situation absolutely hilarious and lovely :)

[Lhunardawen]

Haha, Rowenna strikes again!

Legate, will we ever get to read about what seems to be an intriguing backstory on Hilderinc? :)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Haha, Rowenna strikes again!

Legate, will we ever get to read about what seems to be an intriguing backstory on Hilderinc? :)

Eventually, I think, hopefully yes (it would be nice anyway, backstory loses half of its meaning if nobody ever learns anything about it :) ). But there is no need to push it and Hilderinc is not, hm, the most extroverted person in the world, so it may go slowly, bit by bit. But I am sort of giving it its natural way, and it seems fine this far. The opportunities to unveil parts of his backstory are coming rather nicely by themselves, it seems.

As for Rowenna, that was a bit of spontaneous action on my part (and Hilderinc's :D ), but I thought it would be fitting.

[Nogrod]

:D

Very nice!

I'll try to bring in something from the POV of Stigend for a change as well, in a day or two.

This is looking good!

[Folwren]

I hope to have a chance to read Legate's post right now, but I wanted to take this opportunity (while the internet is working here) to say - don't wait for me for anything because internet here at camp is spotty, at best, and I cannot promise to get on and post anything until Friday, at the earliest. I may be lucky and manage to post before then, but don't count on it.

-- Foley

[Firefoot]

Hi, all! Sorry for disappearing... again... :rolleyes: Hopefully I'm not too late to get back in on the action though.

[Durelin]

Firefoot! *hugs*

Lovers can be driven to do the most irrational things. He chased the thought away.

Squee! I am going to be reading all of your posts very carefully from now on; I am on the edge of my seat to find out more about Hilderinc's past!

And I just finished reading a book that has a great deal to do with 'lovers being driven to do the most irrational things'...no, no, it's not that kind of book, it's got swords and battles and magic in it, too, I swear... And reincarnation! (Daggerspell, first of the Deverry series, highly recommended)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Squee! I am going to be reading all of your posts very carefully from now on; I am on the edge of my seat to find out more about Hilderinc's past!

*facepalm*

:D Okay, nice to see people liking it - you shall see, you shall see... it's not anything that big, however... or, maybe it is...

Anyway, I really like it how lively it starts to become nowadays, the only bad thing is now that I am going to be away for about a week and actually even later during the summer my participation will be rather here-and-there from time to time, randomly, as sometimes I will be in places without internet access. But anyway, I will try my best to participate - just it might be a bit more messy. And just saying so that until next Saturday you should not count on Hilderinc participating in anything major (but I can, of course, write stuff later from Hilderinc's perspective if something happens and such).

[littlemanpoet]

*facepalm*
I am going to be away for about a week and actually even later during the summer my participation will be rather here-and-there from time to time, randomly, as sometimes I will be in places without internet access. No problem. Rowenna can wait as long as necessary to play "hard to get". :Merisu: :D

[Folwren]

Hey! I was going to write them riding into the courtyard, and then realized I had no idea what the scene would be like.

Will people be out to meet them? I know no one knows that Eodwine was that near and therefore is now there, but will someone see them? Where will Leof be at that point? Will everyone come out of the hall, or just a few people?

I'd write it from my own imagination, but too many other characters are potentially involved.

[Firefoot]

Leof would probably be hanging out nearby just inside the stable, listening for them to come back so he could come out to greet them when they arrived.

[littlemanpoet]

We're going to have to wait for Nogrod to post a description of Scarburg before we can proceed.

[Folwren]

He did post, Elempi, in the post that makes the time leap. :)

-- Foley

[Lhunardawen]

Welcome back, Firefoot! :)

Lovers can be driven to do the most irrational things. I can recall Randvér thinking something like "Love makes fools out of even the wisest people" seeing Eodwine right before the wedding. Rand and Hilderinc might just get along well. :D

Coen’s brow creased in a combination of confusion and consternation. Beautiful alliteration, Durelin.

Before someone scolds me for cheering from the bleachers instead of getting down to the field, I intend to post something soon. Just waiting for Eodwine & co. to arrive in the hall. I'm excited to have Rowenna back (though I'm not so sure Ginna shares my excitement :p).

[Folwren]

Yay! Firefoot and Lhuna and Durelin all in our midst again! I am excited!

I took your hint, Lhuna, and went ahead and posted, bringing them into the courtyard. I dislike the post, but at least they've arrived.

-- Foley

[littlemanpoet]

Foley, I put a bunch of words in Saeryn's mouth. Please check them and let me know if and how you want any of them changed.