Scarburg Meadhall Discussion Thread [Archive] - Page 8

Nogrod

11-01-2009, 10:00 AM

Ooh hoo, Degas wasn't mad before, but faced with Athanar repeatedly saying he's a spoiled kid with misplaced anger, he'll be mad fast. :DHappily he was away and didn't hear the latest discussion... (unless Saeryn or Thornden referred it to him later - and even they couldn't have "heard" Athanar's thoughts inside him...) :D

He just cares that his sister married a lord and received an inheritance with that, and it has been taken back through no fault of her own, and she's got an heir brewing inside her. Degas just wants to make sure his nephew (he's assuming it's gonna be a boy, whether or not he's right) gets his birthright.Ha-Ha! I actually hadn't thought of that in that concrete terms and from that angle... A good point indeed.

Groin Redbeard

11-01-2009, 01:43 PM

I posted, explaining the neighing of Athanar's mare in Legate's post. I don't know if my post was too far fetched, nobody else has taken up Matrim to my knowledge so I assumed that he was still open for anyones use. Let me know if I stepped out of place.

Also, I included several other people in my post, such as Stigend, Crabannan, Harreld, and I said a few more (so that could be leof, Kara, and basically anybody who doesn't have their characters busy) so that Lithor wouldn't hog all the fun. This way the soldier with the "stern look," Hilderinc, can address people besides Lithor and more people can respond.:)

Folwren

11-01-2009, 01:52 PM

I liked it! That was a good post, Groin! I don't think it was too far fetched, though I admit to not know Matrim's character at all. I think a lot of people will be on edge about Saeryn being usurped, so they'll be really touchy about that.

-- Folwren

Nogrod

11-01-2009, 02:54 PM

A fun post Groin... and I liked it too.

But just a general precaution: let us not make all the new soldiers just arrogant idiots. Remember you have to bear with them and you will have to rely on them if anything bad happens... (and in a long run some of us may need to start writing them as they will become household names). And anyway, part of them at the courtyard are king Eomer's soldiers going back the next day. So like the best men in the whole country... and surely Athanar's own men are not any servants of Mordor but valiant rohirrim like your characters. :)

Anyway, in this environment lord Athanar's soldiers are the next thing to a friend in arms you have.

But yes, a rotten apple among the new soldiers is a good idea and we could get a lot of interesting things out of such a figure. Maybe he should be named as well... well not necessarily now, unless someone of you would like to take that character or would like to play with him a little more as an NPC? Maybe people could vent off some frustrations with him and then both sides (or if he is just horrible, then only him) would be punished? As you like...

But if you have any misconceptions about Athanar, then I need to say that had he witnessed that incident, he would have commanded a round of lashes to that rider, and probably to Matrim as well...

To their luck, Athanar hasn't heard about the incidence yet as he is indoors having the discussion.

This looks fine indeed! So much feeling in the air!

I'm looking forwards to see how Hilderinc will handle the situation... and what Saeryn & Thornden will answer to Athanar. Or whether someone is going to meet Aedre and her "uncle", or if Lilige will have an encounter with someone helping to move the personal matters... There are such a myriad of chances for everyone...

Just grab them...

Nogrod

11-01-2009, 03:08 PM

Fine update from Coenred's POV Dury! You really make him flesh and blood - and soul - with just one post! Great!

Groin Redbeard

11-01-2009, 03:08 PM

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But just a general precaution: let us not make all the new soldiers just arrogant idiots. Remember you have to bear with them and you will have to rely on them if anything bad happens... (and in a long run some of us may need to start writing them as they will become household names). And anyway, part of them at the courtyard are king Eomer's soldiers going back the next day. So like the best men in the whole country... and surely Athanar's own men are not any servants of Mordor but valiant rohirrim like your characters. :)Exactly, it wasn't all the soldier's fault. Wilcred and Matrim both snapped back a tad too much and the soldier's insult was more of thinking out loud. I remembered what you had said earlier about making everyone bad or good, that's why I had this soldier look a little sad when he told Lithor what he said.:)

Still waiting for Eonwe before I can get a post up for Erbrand. I'm just itching to get him involved with all this.:D

Nogrod

11-01-2009, 03:12 PM

All fine and dandy Groin - I actually noticed that part of the soldier feeling remorse needing to recount his hot-tempered words publicly...

Still waiting for Eonwe before I can get a post up for Erbrand. I'm just itching to get him involved with all this.:DAnd some people could write helping Lilige with the stuff - and I might make a short one before going to sleep for Stigend & Garstan admiring the pile of goods for them... And Lommy promised to write something tomorrow the latest, let's see how she can shuffle the pack... ;)

Folwren

11-01-2009, 03:50 PM

I thought that he wasn't such a bad character, if he felt ashamed of his words. A little rash, but not wholly bad. I thought it was handled well. :D So I'm in agreement with both Nogrod and Groin.

Nogrod and Lommy, I'm sending you a PM that Nienna and I have both considered....

-- Foley

Folwren

11-01-2009, 04:07 PM

I posted, but I really dislike this post. If anyone has some better way to put what I'm trying to say, PLEASE let me know. I really think that Thornden and Saeryn have a right to be upset about Saeryn's place being taken from her, but I can not figure out how to put it in proper, honorable, non-fussy terms. Please help.

- Folwren

Mnemosyne

11-01-2009, 04:45 PM

Nogrod

11-01-2009, 04:55 PM

I really think that Thornden and Saeryn have a right to be upset about Saeryn's place being taken from her, but I can not figure out how to put it in proper, honorable, non-fussy terms. Please help.Sorry for not being exactly helpful to that end in my last post... :( :)

But let's see how this develops... Maybe the "leaders" might have a truce of some sort as the subjects seem to be too happy to pick up fights on their own?

Nogrod

11-01-2009, 05:21 PM

Anyone to answer Loslote? That's another perfect hook for anyone to grab from her... *Well done Lottie!*

I need to go to bed right now (4½ hours to sleep).

Eönwë

11-01-2009, 05:57 PM

I'm sorry about taking so long to post... anyway, tomorrow I will post for Raedwald.

Groin Redbeard

11-01-2009, 06:37 PM

I need to go to bed right now (4½ hours to sleep).Slacker!:p

Durelin

11-01-2009, 07:17 PM

My last post was just to keep up with things, to get Coen out of the hall, but Legate of course needs time to post before Coen shows up. That's a lot of posting in one day!

And I'm glad my first post was alright. I was starting to get a feel for things as I was writing it, and of course the entire post was pretty much figuring out Coen...so I'm glad it somehow turned out to be a real post. :D

Folwren

11-01-2009, 07:18 PM

*splutter*

The post is good (I don't know how keeping it is with Thornden's character, but as I recall the Rohirrim are rather direct, even when being diplomatic), but it puts my character in a bit of a pickle as she's currently trying to make her husband's stance on things go over smoother (even though she more or less agrees with him).

lol. (forgive the chat slang, please.) That's kind of funny. I'm glad you think it's good. I'll keep it.

So she's not going to give up this position, for that and other reasons. At the same time she can't exactly say that (at least, I don't think I can put enough honey in my posts to pull it off), but she's still here in the conversation.

I'll try to think of a good reaction but I don't know if I'll be able to.

Maybe what I'm planning for my next post will make it so that she won't have to say anything at all. The reason I haven't had Saeryn talk lately is for the same reason - I don't know what she could say without making people really, really, REALLY mad.

But I like the way this post ratchets up the tension.

K. I'll look into the next post, then.

Oh, and I think I can have Javan answer Loslote's character.

-- Folwrey

Groin Redbeard

11-01-2009, 07:40 PM

I really like this Coenrad character, I'm looking forward to having some of my characters meet him. Also, I'm thinking of taking up a third character. I haven't decide who, just letting y'all know.

Thanks for getting that post up Eonwe. I'll get mine up tomorrow. What will Athanar think of this new dilemma?:D

Nienna

11-01-2009, 10:53 PM

Ok my first post is up. Please let me know if anything needs changing or the format is wrong or anything.

Groin Redbeard

11-02-2009, 09:35 AM

I got up a post in response to Eonwe, let me know how it is. Also, it occurred to me that the new players wouldn't know the story behind Oeric and Scyld so I included a short paragraph to explain things a little more.

Folwren

11-02-2009, 09:49 AM

Hah! Grabbing the captain of the guard! That is SO funny! Good post, Groin.

I hope posting is as fluent today as it was yesterday. It was so much fun yesterday, hopping on every thirty minutes and having a new post to read. :D

-- Folwren

Thinlómien

11-02-2009, 11:43 AM

You know, I love you people. This is fantastic. :D

Let me think for a while where my characters fit in, then I can post.

PS. Nienna, Foley & Nog - I approve of the plan, I'm just too lazy to reply the PMs. :)

Folwren

11-02-2009, 11:58 AM

That's fine. You don't have to reply. Just post. :p Looking forward to it!

Nogrod

11-02-2009, 01:06 PM

Hah! Grabbing the captain of the guard! That is So funny! Good post, Groin.Fully agreed!

Nice writing everyone!

And Nienna, that was very good!

Nogrod

11-02-2009, 01:23 PM

Loslote raises a very good question we probably should decide here together and not leave the issue to settle itself on the thread...

So where will lord Athanar's and lady Wynflaed's "residence" be? I actually thought about that yesterday for a short while as I realised that question had not been decided on.

I mean there sure had been a special room for lord Eodwine and Saeryn - probably one of the first built into the Mead Hall. Now if it is the sole "lordly room" there is - and one designed for two - it would be understandable that the new eorl and his wife would not sleep in any basic room while Saeryn occupied that luxury-residence alone... But if the new eorl forced Saeryn from the room that would be her only place of soothing memories, it could finally make her snap and pave way for a total revolt as others would stand up and fight for her... :eek:

It doesn't make the situation any easier that I have kind of decided that the natural passion and sympathy for other people isn't lord Athanar's strongest personality treat... :rolleyes: *

But do you think the people of the Mead Hall had foreseen this situation? They probably had a week or two they knew the king would send them a new eorl - so would they have built new rooms for the new eorl so that Saeryn could keep hers?

Btw. I have been planning of trying to draw some general pictures (maplike ones, not any artworks) of the Mead Hall so that everyone would have it easier to orientate oneself in the surroundings - and our characters would inhabit more or less the same infrastructures thus avoiding any discrepancies or outright contradictions in our narrations of things.

So if you have any strong ideas as to where something should be or how some things should have been arranged spatially please let me know. There are the two rudimantary pictures by lmp in the beginning of this discussion thread we should use as thumbnails or reference points...

* He may be polite and he may be just - well he is - but he really doesn't get all this "emotion-talk". Maybe because he's not so emotional himself, or he doesn't admit it to himself and thus closes the idea of emotionality from everything... (heh, bad psychology but it must suffice for now)

Folwren

11-02-2009, 01:30 PM

They definitely would have thought about where they would be staying, and Saeryn would have given up her room, because they don't have time to make any special arrangements or build new rooms. People, labor, tools, and stuff to build with is all short. She'll go to a smaller room, still probably by herself. It'll be fine. :)

That's my two cents. I don't have time to suggest anything else just now.

-- Folwren

Legate of Amon Lanc

11-02-2009, 01:50 PM

Whoa, whoa, now that was something! But brilliant, certainly. (Although it's horrible, of course: for several days I have been checking this thread if anybody posts something, and nothing, and now in less than 24 hours you have half a page of posts... but I know that's how it goes :D And they are good, anyway!) I like the situation in the courtyard, and Groin's character grabbing Coen just made me laugh. :D

And as for the soldiers, indeed, what Nogrod said - although I think the rather negative portrayal of them in general in Lithor's view could be assigned to the character's point of view. After all, the sort of "look, intruders!"-approach would be expectable among the people of Scarburg.

btw, just one question - who the heck is Matrim? I could not find any mention of him in the character lists.

Well, right now I came home quite tired, of all days, but... let me see *starts writing a post*

EDIT: oh crap! Am I crossposting with people even here? (I have been reading the thread for about an hour) Please nooo...

Folwren

11-02-2009, 01:58 PM

Legate! I'm glad you're here. I've been looking forward to your post with great expectancy!

We did post a ton yesterday, didn't we? Isn't it great?! I love it!

-- Folwren

Legate of Amon Lanc

11-02-2009, 02:04 PM

Legate! I'm glad you're here. I've been looking forward to your post with great expectancy!

We did post a ton yesterday, didn't we? Isn't it great?! I love it!

-- Folwren

Yes, it's brilliant! I wish I was in a better form today, I had a busy day, alas, otherwise I would have been around earlier! (or more, anyway)

Addendum to the question in my former post: And who the heck is Wilcred???

You see, it's a slight problem for me - and I guess that would come to all the new people anyway - if there are characters whom we have no idea about (and especially if they are around our characters). It is okay and we can always check those who have their bio linked on the list, but when you have just name there, it does not help much... like, you see, is it a soldier, worker, whatever...?

Nogrod

11-02-2009, 02:47 PM

Addendum to the question in my former post: And who the heck is Wilcred???
I see your problem... Sorry to not have addressed these earlier...

So Wilcred is an older soldier belonging to the household (part of Eodwine's guard under Thornden). He was an NPC for a long time but is now written by Gwath.

Matrim is a gondorian soldier who was taken into the Mead Hall with his captain Balvir after they came to the Mead Hall with the healer Aedhel. The three are written by Nerindel.

Another thing to those new to the Mead Hall. Even if it's I think a normal procedure in the 'Downs RPGs let me remind you of that. When you want to write someone's inner thoughts - those no other character hears but the reader of the story could read - use italics. It is also adviced you do not use italics in any other context so as to mark those "inner thoughts" clearly from other parlance, song or whatever there might be.

Folwren

11-02-2009, 02:50 PM

I'm sorry. I was very rushed, or else I would've answered your question when I psoted a response to you.

Matrim is a soldier. But I believe (and I may be mistaken, so correct me, someone, if I'm wrong) that he is a soldier from Gondor, who came with Aedhel, the healer, some time ago. Balvir (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=614313&postcount=1705) is his captain, or at least was when they originally arrived, but I think they've melted into the rest of the men-at-arms of Scarburg. Matrim is obviously younger than Balvir. He is currently an NPC, I think? He's being treated like that, anyway. :)

So, no special status. Just a soldier.

-- Foley

Nogrod

11-02-2009, 02:56 PM

Matrim is a gondorian soldier who was taken into the Mead Hall with his captain Balvir after they came to the Mead Hall with the healer Aedhel. The three are written by Nerindel.
Matrim is a soldier. But I believe (and I may be mistaken, so correct me, someone, if I'm wrong) that he is a soldier from Gondor, who came with Aedhel, the healer, some time ago. Balvir is his captain, or at least was when they originally arrived, but I think they've melted into the rest of the men-at-arms of Scarburg. Matrim is obviously younger than Balvir. He is currently an NPC, I think? He's being treated like that, anyway. :D
That's how it goes...

Well, Nerindel popped in after a long while, like a wqeek ago, and sent the BIO of Balvir promising to write "when she could". The three were originally introduced and written by Nerindel, but Foley is right that especially Matrim has been kind of an NPC lately...

Legate of Amon Lanc

11-02-2009, 03:18 PM

Good, thanks for your willingness to answer :) Well, it's all right then. I think the most problematic thing in these terms would have been to decide what kind of impression will the characters make on first sight on the others (we will know their actions, but we won't know e.g. what they look like, or so).

By the way, it is by no means my intention to spam us with names, but it was just natural to add a few things like that as Hilderinc knows these men. And, of course, I wanted to illustrate a bit of the relationship between them. And of course again the knowledge of these characters can be used later as these "background guys". I hope the name for our "friend" is fine. :)

I feel much better now. Yay, it's so brilliant to be posting in a thread which is moving! :D

Nogrod

11-02-2009, 03:28 PM

A lot more people, well soldiers to be more exact, but with names!

All of them NPCs for the time being for anyone to use. Here's a shortcut to them...

- Baldwic (son of Baldwin), 18 years, a kind of insecure young man met by Stigend.

- Feargall, a bit more authoritative soldier, calm, collected, met by Stigend and Garstan.

- Áforglæd, a young and impetuos soldier getting into a fight with Matrim.

- Scyrr, a senior guard of Athanar's house, possibly a bit bad-temepered - or just straight with his opinions...

Of the four I think we will be married with Áforglæd and Scyrr as they seem like Athanar's guard both of them (well Scyrr is actually said to be one). With the two Stigend and Garstan met we can decide - maybe a bit later - whether they were part of king Eomer's escort to the convoy or belong to Athanar's men.

Mnemosyne

11-02-2009, 03:33 PM

Yay, it's so brilliant to be posting in a thread which is moving! :D

I concur. Even if I haven't been posting much... yet...

Legate of Amon Lanc

11-02-2009, 03:55 PM

I concur. Even if I haven't been posting much... yet...
Yes, I can see how problematic the "high class" debate is... but I must say, it is indeed fun to read :)

And ha, good list, Nogrod! I think quite handy.

Personally, I think that it is good to have at least some basic "types" in the background to use, like, if you need some random people to use in your posts, you can always pick some of those and they will have already a bit of personality behind themselves, and so gradually they may even develop more of it... and they might even become more "familiar" to us.

- Scyrr, a senior guard of Athanar's house, possibly a bit bad-temepered - or just straight with his opinions...

Exactly like this - it is upon any of the writers whose characters encounter them in the future to explore those... like in this case, whether it is being bad-tempered or being straight with his opinions from the person's part...

Folwren

11-02-2009, 05:39 PM

I posted. Nogrod, let me know if Athanar spoke poorly.

-- Folwren

Mnemosyne

11-02-2009, 06:52 PM

How much else do the high 'n mighties need to discuss matters before wrapping up the conversation? I realize Lommy hasn't posted for the boys (if indeed Mom and Dad would let them talk during a meeting as important as this), but I can't think of any more points that need to be covered during this initial meeting off the top of my head.

Folwren

11-02-2009, 08:17 PM

I think they're just about done. I know Searyn's tired of it and need to escape soon. I don't know what else needs to be done for now. The rest of the day seems pretty clear - eat, settle down, and...that's probably it. Athanar needs to decide what he's going to do next, but that's hardly anything he'll discuss with Thornden and Saeryn.

-- Folwren

Nienna

11-02-2009, 09:29 PM

Nog, I would be very appreciative of a newer/more comprehensive map. The ones there are nice but they only have the stables, kitchen, paddock, and hall. I was writing my first post and wondering where the privy might be and was at a loss. I think that Ædre might be a wanderer/explorer too so knowing where things are would be greatly helpful.

Thinlómien

11-03-2009, 06:01 AM

You can finish the meeting without the rascals, I think they could have been instructed (by their loving mother, perhaps? ;)) to be quiet and behave during the meeting, and maybe it's been a good day since they've been behaving themselves (mostly).

I'm sorry I didn't have time to write anything yesterday, I'm definitely going to write something today even if it means staying up too lte for my own good. It's annoying to be busy with RL when something this cool is going on!

PS. - Feargall, a bit more authoritative soldier, calm, collected, met by Stigend and Garstan.Mmh if no one minds, can we change his name? Because now it's confusingly similar to the name of Nerindel's chracter (Iomhair Fearghall) who's supposed to be - on top of everything - from Dale. If we want to keep the name something similarsounding, what about something like Fearguld? That sounds more masculine, too.

Folwren

11-03-2009, 07:51 AM

Wow. I didn't think Saeryn was so bitter. I guess she's a little sore about being kicked from lady of the hall to housekeeper. ;) Forgive her stormy thoughts, Mnemosyne. She'll probably not end up hating Wynflaed, when all is said and done...unless your character has more up her sleeve than I can see.

I've been thinking. So far, when anyone has adopted a new character, they seem to shy away from them being even remotely bad or not understanding - beside Nienna's character, she's apparently got an obvious bad streak in her. Even the soldier authoritarian figures have been understading and nice about things. I think it's all natural - if we play a character, we want to make them decent and at least partially redeemable. So, what I'm thinking is that maybe I'll tak the character Scyrr and not worry about any of that, and just make him plain old mean.

On the other hand, we already have a LOT going on and a lot new characters still needing to be intagrated. So I'll hold off on that a little until somethings that haven't happened yet do happen. Then I'll decide.

-- Folwren

P.S. I take that back. Athanar and his two sons promise to be somewhat rough characters. Maybe it's just that family that's so...*ahem* interesting. Maybe we need some commoners who are more temper prone to stir up some trouble among the greater majority of the Scarburgians.

Nogrod

11-03-2009, 08:54 AM

Nogrod, let me know if Athanar spoke poorly.I don't think he spoke poorly (and I do agree he could have made that comment on "idling" as well), but I might like you to change his stance in the following...
“Is there anything else?” Athanar asked drily. His fingers tapped impatiently on the tabletop as he looked at Thornden coldly.I mean he is an experienced leader indeed and thus realises the value of the information he has just been given. I mean what Thornden said was a bigger gift he could have imagined as he now has a roughly realistic picture of what he is facing. So he would not be impatient to have Thornden stop and look like he's not liking the fact Thornden tells him these things; but rather like interested and curious to learn more - if there would be more...

Maybe something like:

"Is there anything else?” Athanar asked leaning forwards and gazing Thornden to the eye.

Or whatever you think would convey the interest he has of learning all there is to learn...

I'll post later in the evening an ending to the short counsel and then we can all continue on other issues.

The next big item would be the banquet in the evening but let's post things before it to get everyone in and meeting others.

Folwren

11-03-2009, 09:07 AM

I mean he is an experienced leader indeed and thus realises the value of the information he has just been given. I mean what Thornden said was a bigger gift he could have imagined as he now has a roughly realistic picture of what he is facing. So he would not be impatient to have Thornden stop and look like he's not liking the fact Thornden tells him these things; but rather like interested and curious to learn more - if there would be more...

Maybe something like:

"Is there anything else?” Athanar asked leaning forwards and gazing Thornden to the eye.

It will be done, my lord. ;)

-- Foley

Legate of Amon Lanc

11-03-2009, 09:35 AM

I've been thinking. So far, when anyone has adopted a new character, they seem to shy away from them being even remotely bad or not understanding - beside Nienna's character, she's apparently got an obvious bad streak in her. Even the soldier authoritarian figures have been understading and nice about things. I think it's all natural - if we play a character, we want to make them decent and at least partially redeemable. So, what I'm thinking is that maybe I'll tak the character Scyrr and not worry about any of that, and just make him plain old mean.

On the other hand, we already have a LOT going on and a lot new characters still needing to be intagrated. So I'll hold off on that a little until somethings that haven't happened yet do happen. Then I'll decide.

Well, I would not judge the day before the nightfall, so to say. There has been very little interaction among the people outside the "nobles' council" this far, and no real conflicts yet because the questions and controversions did not arise yet: for instance, the soldiers and the common people overall do not know yet with whom the authority formally lies (one of the things Hilderinc will probably be thinking about, probably in the following post, when it comes to maintaining discipline here). We don't need outright mean characters to stir up trouble. I think there will be far, far much more that can go wrong in the following days. Also, the new characters have unveiled this far only little of their personality (logically, having been around for so short). So who knows what can still happen.

EDIT: Ha, ha... speak of wolves, and they will howl... *goes to check what Groin just posted*
EDITEDIT: Whooo, this is brilliant. Even "better" than I expected. I probably cannot post now rightaway, but in some two hours or so, I should get up a post... by the way, Groin, the name's Hilderinc.

Folwren

11-03-2009, 09:51 AM

Well, I would not judge the day before the nightfall, so to say. There has been very little interaction among the people outside the "nobles' council" this far, and no real conflicts yet because the questions and controversions did not arise yet: for instance, the soldiers and the common people overall do not know yet with whom the authority formally lies (one of the things Hilderinc will probably be thinking about, probably in the following post, when it comes to maintaining discipline here). We don't need outright mean characters to stir up trouble. I think there will be far, far much more that can go wrong in the following days. Also, the new characters have unveiled this far only little of their personality (logically, having been around for so short). So who knows what can still happen.

Well, Legate, even if the trouble is unrest due to a new command doesn't mean that a trully bad apple wouldn't be accepted to make things even MORE interesting. I understand the trouble we're soon going to be running into, and that's one reason I'm not going to immediately take up a troublemaking character (beyond Javan, who, I think, is beginning to have some redeemable qualities about him...he will trully be sorry if/when he causes trouble, because he's learned to be ashamed of himself, especially now that Eodwine is gone). (Maybe it's because of Javan's reformation that I feel I need a new bad character. :p)

So, as I said, I'll wait a little while until things cool off, the dust settles, and I'm able to see if we still need stirring up. We may easily not need it.

I second Legate's comment - Groin, your post was great.

-- Folwren

Groin Redbeard

11-03-2009, 10:33 AM

by the way, Groin, the name's Hilderinc.I knew that!:p:D

Also, if y'all need a "bad" character to come in, Erbrand has a history of not liking snobs, bossy people, arrogance, and suspicious newcomers. In fact, he downright hates those people and is not afraid to show it (e.g. Crabannan;)). If there is one of those strangers who cross his path, I can provide some tension.

Legate of Amon Lanc

11-03-2009, 02:02 PM

Well, Legate, even if the trouble is unrest due to a new command doesn't mean that a trully bad apple wouldn't be accepted to make things even MORE interesting.

Oh, but surely. Although, even if there is not, some might "find" it somewhere... *points to own post*

I don't know what Lithor is like generally, but there hardly could have been a different reaction from Hilderinc. :cool:

As for what now, I am basically done with this aspect, it seems: I don't know what others are planning, but could we perhaps slowly move towards the next stage, i.e. things are unloaded, now some meal or something? Of course, anybody can still approach Hilderinc if there is something momentary (or if perhaps any of the guys he's been talking to wants to engage and continue in a dialogue with him). I just don't have any ideas right now where to sent him or to put him. Also, maybe Coen will be coming this way soon to check if the things went all right? Whatever. Just letting people know that I am basically free of duties now, it seems.

Thinlómien

11-03-2009, 02:29 PM

Ha! Foley, shall we ruin the whole place? Javan, Cnebba and Garmund, Wulfric and Wilheard and some troublemaker new arrival? Sounds promising! :D :p ;)

In other words, I'm off to write a post. <3

Groin Redbeard

11-03-2009, 03:16 PM

Thinlómien

11-03-2009, 03:25 PM

P.S. What does <3 mean? I am not big on abbreviations. :D It's a heart - doesn't it look like one if you look more closely? ;)

And my post seems to become megalomaniac, but I wanted to post for all my characters... (Cnebba included)

Legate of Amon Lanc

11-03-2009, 03:25 PM

Dang boy! That Hildernic is a tough nut to crack. Never fear, Lithor won't give up that easy. Also, if you need to know what he's like, Legate, simply check out his bio (I don't know if you've done that yet).:) Is Hildernic done speaking to the gang then? If not, would it be alright with Nogrod if I introduced some of his characters, Stigend and Harreld (you did take over for him right) to the soldiers?

Ha, looking forward to it :D And as for Lithor, I have checked his bio (a few times already :) ), though of course it does not show how he acts in particular situations. But it does not matter, I didn't mean that I need to know that, Hilderinc is going to know him only from the way he interacts with him.

And as for Hilderinc, yes, he is done, like I said. He is open either to somebody continuing the discussion with him, or if nobody wants, somebody else can take him, or anything. "Free for grabbing".

Thinlómien

11-03-2009, 03:45 PM

Foley, Nienna, Nog - I hope what I wrote about the boys is ok. If not, I can change. Nienna, you can continue it from there: I assume Aedre would notice her stuff being mishandled. ;)

And as usual, those whose characters I used (Kath, Lhuna, Eönwë, feel free to comment if changes are needed. :) (Not that any of you seems to be around... mwa ha ha. :p)

Nogrod

11-03-2009, 03:50 PM

I've been playing werewolf... Sorry...

But will go to the thread right now and write an ending to the "counsel".

And as I said in my last post here - I think - the next thing should be the banquet where people would have more chances to meddle with each other in different surroundings, with the power of some ale if not otherwise. But you might wish to fill in any meetings that are somehow in the middle of going somewhere before it?

The main thing plotwise would be that lord Athanar would speak there and make a few announcements concerning the Mead Hall - and the people would react to that.

Anyone can start writing the banquet when it feels like the time for it - let's say from Friday onwards? Thus people would have time to end their discussions & meetings with others before the banquet. Just don't write it into the late hours (gametime) before lord Athanar speaks... :)

PS. lord Athanar would not open the party by a speech but would speak during the first hours of it anyway.

Thinlómien

11-03-2009, 03:56 PM

Sounds cool, Nogrod. :)

Btw, in case it's unclear, Modtryth will soon be helping with the unloading but I think I'll have to send her off somewhere so that she won't be there to see Cnebba getting in trouble an ruining it by interfering. :D Anyway, feel free to interact with her.

Folwren

11-03-2009, 04:01 PM

Yep...we can turn things upside down. Nienna, you take it from here, I think.

Hey, Lommy, is what's-his-name really going to fight with Thornden? :D

-- Foley

Thinlómien

11-03-2009, 04:11 PM

Hey, Lommy, is what's-his-name really going to fight with Thornden? :DHe might be an idiot, but he wouldn't do that without a reason. Thornden would need to insult him or someone close to him rather badly, get on his way when he's very drunk ( :eek: ) and irritate him, or then there has to be a tournament or sorts. Or he might want to practise his skills against him but I doubt that - I think he'd stick to practising with his brother and maybe some of Athanar's soldiers...

Anyway, looking forward to him and his brother causing trouble... :D (just I'll be careful not to overdo it! that's why I let them more or less behave in my first post...)

Legate of Amon Lanc

11-03-2009, 04:16 PM

He might be an idiot, but he wouldn't do that without a reason. Thornden would need to insult him or someone close to him rather badly, get on his way when he's very drunk ( :eek: )

So did I hear something about this evening? ;) :p

Mnemosyne

11-03-2009, 04:37 PM

Lommy, verily are you the source of my grey hairs. That is all.

Nogrod

11-03-2009, 04:44 PM

Oh you all!!! Good-bye civilisation! :D

Anyway the meeting is now called off and everyone can do what they wish until the party-time... hopefully starting on Friday (RL).

But before that, do your worst! Well, do not do your worst but have fun anyway... :rolleyes:

Btw. Mnemo: I have used Wynflaed again to make lord Athanar look clumsy on social relations (not the first time). But anytime you think it is too far-fetched or not your character's thing (or she used wrong words / expressions etc.), just let me know and I'll edit my posts according to your wishes...

Groin Redbeard

11-03-2009, 05:29 PM

Wow Lommy, I never realized that you could write so evil!:D I hope Thornden can handle himself.

Durelin

11-03-2009, 05:56 PM

This is amusing me, and makes me want to make another character slightly less responsible than Coen. But I shall resist for now.

As for the discussion about good vs. bad characters, I'd rather not have this turn into the invading baddies vs. the good ol' boys of Scarburg (that's part of why Coen turned out the way he did). I mean, they may certainly feel that way about it, but who wants it to be that plain and simple? I think anyone's character could be construed as 'bad' in some way. You get plenty of conflict just from varying opinions and ways of life.

It also amuses me what you consider evil, Groin... :Merisu: ;)

Edit: Lommy - I wrote in my post that Cnebba was struggling with his package and dropped the comb nearby Coen and Erbrand, who are standing somewhere near the Mead Hall, if this isn't correct positioning let me know! (or if anyone else sees that I am obviously wrong.) Also I hope it's alright that I just had Coen take the package from him - I figured he wouldn't protest since he's a fairly reluctant helper, but let me know if you need me to backtrack a bit.

Folwren

11-03-2009, 07:00 PM

Wow Lommy, I never realized that you could write so evil!:D I hope Thornden can handle himself.

Thornden can handle himself. :)

Tonight's class will probably end early, in which case, I hope to post for at least one of my characters.

This is so much fun!

-- Folwren

Nogrod

11-03-2009, 07:42 PM

As for the discussion about good vs. bad characters, I'd rather not have this turn into the invading baddies vs. the good ol' boys of Scarburg (that's part of why Coen turned out the way he did). I mean, they may certainly feel that way about it, but who wants it to be that plain and simple? I think anyone's character could be construed as 'bad' in some way. You get plenty of conflict just from varying opinions and ways of life.I couldn't agree more...

Shades of grey are always more interesting.

Folwren

11-03-2009, 10:10 PM

That is one of the most boring posts I think I've ever written. Well, that's not entirely true, but, yeah, it was pretty boring. Sorry about that.

Thornden is now out with everyone else. I think he's the only Scarburgian actually put in charge to see that stuff gets done. Everyone else in charge so far has been one of Athanar's men. That's just fine, I was just noting it.

Saeryn is off to seek Degas. She may be stopped on her way out, or she may not, whatever anyone chooses.

Javan is busy until he is needed in any post regarding the children. Nienna and Lommy, I wait for your lead on that.

And I think my business here is done for the night. See you all in the morning.

-- Foley

P.S. For anyone who is curious (which is probably nobody except me), Saeryn is about 3 months along now in her pregnancy. She and Eodwine were married August 9. It's now November 11.

Feanor of the Peredhil

11-03-2009, 10:36 PM

P.S. For anyone who is curious (which is probably nobody except me), Saeryn is about 3 months along now in her pregnancy. She and Eodwine were married August 9. It's now November 11.

Oh it's not just you. For somebody that doesn't want kids, I like hearing about babies. Even fake ones. :)

Thinlómien

11-04-2009, 06:29 AM

Edit: Lommy - I wrote in my post that Cnebba was struggling with his package and dropped the comb nearby Coen and Erbrand, who are standing somewhere near the Mead Hall, if this isn't correct positioning let me know! (or if anyone else sees that I am obviously wrong.) Also I hope it's alright that I just had Coen take the package from him - I figured he wouldn't protest since he's a fairly reluctant helper, but let me know if you need me to backtrack a bit.That's ok. :)

Nienna, if you continue from there, I think Garmund could be carrying Aedre's stuff and she could have seen his friend drop her mother's stuff, so she could be suspicious of either of the boys carrying anything and go complain to Garmund (who would of course think it's unfair because it was Cnebba who dropped something, not him). :D

Wow Lommy, I never realized that you could write so evil! I hope Thornden can handle himself.Evil? That was just starters... ;)

Nienna

11-04-2009, 07:12 AM

Nienna, if you continue from there, I think Garmund could be carrying Aedre's stuff and she could have seen his friend drop her mother's stuff, so she could be suspicious of either of the boys carrying anything and go complain to Garmund (who would of course think it's unfair because it was Cnebba who dropped something, not him). :D

Yup I got it. I'll have time to write up a post this afternoon or tonight. Thanks for a great opening everyone.

Thinlómien

11-04-2009, 08:11 AM

Yup I got it. I'll have time to write up a post this afternoon or tonight. Thanks for a great opening everyone.Okay I'm not sure you meant that but please everybody (especially the new Scarburg writers), tell me if I'm treating you like simpletons or something! And the same the other way around - don't hesitate to ask if I'm being cryptic. I don't want to do either and I'm having some trouble sometimes navigating between being the assistant "leader" of this thingy and being a normal writer... just Nog you can tell me what I should be doing and what not. *confused puppy smile*

As for the discussion about good vs. bad characters, I'd rather not have this turn into the invading baddies vs. the good ol' boys of Scarburg (that's part of why Coen turned out the way he did). I mean, they may certainly feel that way about it, but who wants it to be that plain and simple? I think anyone's character could be construed as 'bad' in some way. You get plenty of conflict just from varying opinions and ways of life.Wholeheartedly agreed. But at least with me it's that I wanted my first character to be sort of nice and with my next characters I wanted more to make them idiots, o if someone's writing both old and new folk this kind of division is rather understandable (it seems people always start with nice characters and then move onto unpleasant ones... I wonder why).

Anyway, I'm sure the original Scarburgians will be able to cause some distraction with their tricky character traits - Saeryn and Degas are rather naive and rash, the young soldiers (Osmund and Aethelred the NPCs and Matrim too) can be almost as idiots as Wulfric and Wilheard, Erbrand is probably the most hot-headed person around, Crabannan's quite twisted, Rowenna and Dan are sort of unreliable :p and the boys of course are always causing trouble. And even the others can definitely cause trouble, even the seemingly very nice ones. I'm actually looking forward to that. *evil grin*

Lastly, I think I never properly commented on Groin's magnificient pictures - I like them very very much. The picture of Erbrand and Stigend must be my favourite, though, it's somehow just the coolest. And as for the Ginna/Modtryth mixture, it's funny, I think she looks like both although I don't definitely think they look alike. Maybe she looks more like Modtryth than Ginna though - Modtryth is dark like the woman in the picture while Ginna is blonde, and the expression is more Modtryth-like too. I actually have a very clear of what Moftryth (and Cnebba) look like, but I couldn't draw that (especially after seeing those pieces of art! :D)

~*~

Pio, the link on Wulfric and Wilheard connects to the character list itself instead of their bios. Can you correct it? This would be the address for the right link http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=612851&postcount=1624 :) EDIT: DONE! ~*~ Pio

Nogrod

11-04-2009, 09:36 AM

Oh my Lommy! Those two boys are just soo... true. :D

I mean I can see two such ADHD-cases in RL as well...

Foley: I think your post was quite heartbreaking and not boring in the least.

But I'd like you to consider the following suggestion: as you said yourself the Scarburgians would have thought of the order and usage of rooms already before. So if Saeryn sleeps in a shared ladies quarters, then it is a conscious decision of the Scarburg-people. Would they have made such a decision? I think the people of the MH would not like that solution - thus making it Saeryn's insistence on it if she sleeps there?

It would be a day's work to just hoist a wall dividing the ladies quarters into a larger hall-kind of space and a smaller private room - or a few days if the wall was intended as a permanent structure. So they would have had ample time for it.

And if they had like two weeks or something between the news of the new eorl and his arrival the craftsmen could have done much more, like building a totally new room for lady Saeryn or something.

So I'd suggest Saeryn would have a room of her own - and her own things in there.

But it's up to you Foley.

Folwren

11-04-2009, 09:38 AM

Lommy, I love your posts, and I hate those two characters! :p It's so insulting to hear Thornden thought of as a 'peasant soldier'. The stuck up snobs. I just want to knock them both upside the head. But that's great! That's why I enjoy it so much. Hehehehehe.

So, it's really looking like we don't need any more truly bad characers. Athanar's family is doing a great job filling those rolls, and Legate's character seems kinda prickly, too, though in a different sort of way. I am probably not going to take on Scyrr, or whatever his name was.

Fea, I'm so excited about Saeryn's baby, it's insane. I'm glad you're looking forward to it, too. :D I figured you might be one of the few actually interested. Not necessarily 'cause you like hearing about babies, but that Saeryn was your character.

-- Foley

X-posted with Nogrod.

Um....I'm not really sure how long it woul take to build something like that or what kind of materials it would take, but I'm sort of under the impression that they wouldn't like to use stuff for something like that. I could be wrong, though. I don't really care, I guess. I'll change it, if you think it's best to be changed.

Feanor of the Peredhil

11-04-2009, 09:45 AM

I'm glad you're looking forward to it, too. :D I figured you might be one of the few actually interested. Not necessarily 'cause you like hearing about babies, but that Saeryn was your character.

I feel like an expectant grandma. I want all the details, and I plan to buy tiny little shoes and bibs that say, "I love my gramma." ;)

Folwren

11-04-2009, 09:46 AM

Nogrod, I went ahead and edited that post.

I feel like an expectant grandma. I want all the details, and I plan to buy tiny little shoes and bibs that say, "I love my gramma." ;)

Haha! Okay. How 'bout we plan the details together?

-- Foley

Feanor of the Peredhil

11-04-2009, 09:48 AM

Haha! Okay. How 'bout we plan the details together?

Ooh! I'm in. :)

Groin Redbeard

11-04-2009, 11:10 AM

Lastly, I think I never properly commented on Groin's magnificient pictures - I like them very very much. The picture of Erbrand and Stigend must be my favourite, though, it's somehow just the coolest. And as for the Ginna/Modtryth mixture, it's funny, I think she looks like both although I don't definitely think they look alike. Maybe she looks more like Modtryth than Ginna though - Modtryth is dark like the woman in the picture while Ginna is blonde, and the expression is more Modtryth-like too. I actually have a very clear of what Moftryth (and Cnebba) look like, but I couldn't draw that (especially after seeing those pieces of art!)
Thanks Lommy, I'm glad that you liked them. You were the one who started all of my drawings with that Dwarf you sent me (the one with the rifle:)). More will be coming as all the new characters progress in the story line.;)

Legate, I was thinking about it last night, Lithor said that the brawler (Matrim) would not be hard to find because he might have a couple bruises or marks that showed he was in a fight. I remember that Erbrand looks like a walking punching bag after his fight with Oeric, it would be funny if Hildernic thought Erbrand was the brawler.:D

P.S. Drats! That won't happen. I'm heading out of state for a hunting trip for eight days. Oh well, but I hate to miss out on all the action around here. I don't leave until Friday morning though, so I can write one more post for my characters between now and then.

Legate of Amon Lanc

11-04-2009, 11:39 AM

Legate, I was thinking about it last night, Lithor said that the brawler (Matrim) would not be hard to find because he might have a couple bruises or marks that showed he was in a fight. I remember that Erbrand looks like a walking punching bag after his fight with Oeric, it would be funny if Hildernic thought Erbrand was the brawler.:D
Well, but that can as well still happen - thanks for the tip! Hilderinc does not need to do anything about the matter rightaway, but he can as well notice Erbrand and think "ha, so this is the guy!" and remember him and in the future think about him as of the brawler :)

I think misunderstandings are fun ;)

P.S. Drats! That won't happen. I'm heading out of state for a hunting trip for eight days. Oh well, but I hate to miss out on all the action around here. I don't leave until Friday morning though, so I can write one more post for my characters between now and then.

Ah well, a pity. But perhaps some of the action will still be in progress when you return...

Nogrod

11-04-2009, 02:11 PM

Nogrod, I went ahead and edited that post.
Good! I think it looks better now.

But that actually brings forward a more general issue about the lodgings.

In the former Mead Hall they lived quite comfortably. Fex. Stigend, Modtryth and Cnebba had their own "family room" - as did Garstan and his children and so on. And I think they had also "guest-rooms"...

The last time we have taken a stance on these issues in Scarburg I think was when they had come to settle and there were no walls standing anywhere and they all lived under a large lean-to. Then I mentioned something about the people moving inside the main Hall as soon as it was ready enough to give cover to people - that was when we kind of re-started this.

Clearly the Hall-building is already standing and at least some of the inner spaces are kind of "done" (meaning: they exist but are not probably finished), the kitchens sure exist as they would have been the first thing to do - and apparently there are some kind of stables as well already.

I have a suggestion, let me hear what you think of it.

The main building would have a more or less ready Hall with long tables, firesides etc. Also I think it would be a two storey building and that at least part of the upper floor would be there already - including two larger halls / rooms for people to sleep and a "double-room" / suite for lord Eodwine & Saeryn.

And now part of the women's hall would have been divided with a wall to make Saeryn a room of her own as Athanar and Wynflaed have moved into the suite.

(Heh, I'm just thinking what Will & Wolf will say on the opportunity to sleep with all the other males in a shared hall... :p)

But sure this all is under construction as we speak...

Which means that on the next day (whenever we get to it) we really need to write a meeting between lord Athanar and the craftsmen - and possibly anyone else knowledgeable of the architectural plans (Thornden at least, I think?).

Meanwhile back in the jungle... in this discussion thread, you should tell me what kind of ideas you have concerning the future look of the Mead Hall. I'll produce something like a plan from those and then supply lord Athanar's views myself. Then we shall see how it will turn out. :)

And anyway, I'm trying to draw a picture of the place in general - like a larger scope view - during the weekend. All suggestions will be heard and I'll first draw just rudimentary version of it so that it can be changed according to any feedback.

Does that sound okay?

Feanor of the Peredhil

11-04-2009, 02:31 PM

I have no preference at all about how everything's set up, as long is it's done logically and coherently. Like, privies wouldn't be next to the kitchen, any workshops wouldn't be next to sleeping quarters; single women and single men would bed down in their respective spaces; there would only be as many 'guest' rooms as there might be visiting people deserving of separate quarters (as most people would just go to the women's or men's quarters).

There'll need to be a well near the kitchens, and there'd probably also be an outdoor cooking area (think of large amounts of meat roasting on spits; they don't fit well in kitchens).

But apart from general suggestions like that? Draw what seems logical, and we can edit later. Like you said, that's always easiest.

Folwren

11-04-2009, 04:06 PM

Okay....I got bored with my economics paper and decided to draw this.

Anyone from Europe, please forgive the fact that I have used the standard American measurement - the foot. A foot is about 30.5 centimeters.

What you see is the lower storey of the building. As you can see, there is a lot of extra room across from the kitchen. I was thinking of putting an armory and the room for all the men-at-arms to sleep in that space. I was also thinking of having the kitchen ladies sleep downstairs as well, but I don't know if there's room for all that. Let me know your thoughts.

Another thing that I'm concerned about is that I may have made everything too small. Please give me your input. I'm bad at picturing big things.

-- Foley

Groin Redbeard

11-04-2009, 05:12 PM

Very well written, Foley! I think the stables, where they are, is perfect. The only suggestion that I would make is to have the Kitchen on the far top left corner of the hall. Would the kitchen be considered an eyesore?:confused: Other than that, I like it.:)

Legate of Amon Lanc

11-04-2009, 05:27 PM

Okay, I am not really any architect (and I never completed my cartography course), but I am a long-time Dungeon Master (and thus used to drawing maps... and also measuring in feet :D ) and just from my opinion, it looks more or less fine, in the basic terms.

Maybe one question... how many people actually are there in the Mead Hall? (The original question that came to my mind in connection with the map was: how many horses? Like, if the stables are sufficient. If there are some riders of Éomer for one day, I guess that's not a problem, but there are probably quite many horses even permanently, so...)

As for the kitchen, Groin, that is how it was placed my LMP already in the beginning, I think... I don't see any problem with it being where it is, anyway.

Folwren

11-04-2009, 08:55 PM

Maybe one question... how many people actually are there in the Mead Hall?

Not sure precisely.

(The original question that came to my mind in connection with the map was: how many horses? Like, if the stables are sufficient. If there are some riders of Éomer for one day, I guess that's not a problem, but there are probably quite many horses even permanently, so...)

This is a concern I had, too. Twelve stables is enough for a semi-public barn now adays, but a barn in Rohan that is public would probably need to be a lot bigger...even if there were padlocks, which there will be. I will go ahead and expand the stables and mark in fences and the like.

I think the stables, where they are, is perfect. The only suggestion that I would make is to have the Kitchen on the far top left corner of the hall. Would the kitchen be considered an eyesore?

As for the kitchen, Groin, that is how it was placed my LMP already in the beginning, I think... I don't see any problem with it being where it is, anyway.

Yeah, that's why I put it where it is.

I'll see what else I can do before I must go to bed tonight.

-- Folwren

Nienna

11-04-2009, 09:38 PM

I wasn't really sure how far to take that but now you all can add some things. Nog/Lommy if you think that Cnebba would do something different or if you feel like I misrepresented him at all feel free to let me know. And my resident editor (aka Fea) apparently went to bed right as I was sending her to read over so if there are any mistakes please let me know. Thanks!!

Folwren

11-04-2009, 11:09 PM

Nienna, you're post was great. I was excited to see it.

----

Updated version of the map. I think I made the stalls too large at first. I have altered their size to 10 feet by 10 feet.

I also added the armoury and the gaurd room, along with doors and such.

I need comments and thoughts about upstairs.

I'm off to bed.

-- Folwren

P.S. Nogrod, I sincerely hope you don't resent the fact that I've kind of taken this out of your hand. I just had a vivid idea, and I didn't want to work on my economics paper, so I drew it....and got sucked in, and kept drawing.

Edit: All these stables would not be built at this time. The paddocks may be, and the first twelve stalls plus the tack room and maybe Leof's room will be built at by Nov. 11 of the game.

2nd Edit: Tomorrow, if I have time, I will try to finish the upstairs, and I will put in plans for stuff to go by the kitchen, like a garden and whatnot. Also, we'll need to think of a place for the privy, as someone mentioned above.

Folwren

11-05-2009, 03:40 PM

So....is it a good werewolf game?

Feanor of the Peredhil

11-05-2009, 04:06 PM

Aww, poor Foley... Yes, it's a good Werewolf game.

But I'm also paying attention to Scarburg.

What do you have in mind for Saeryn and Degas? Or was that more like just an exeunt for Saeryn? Are we actually having them meet up to chat? And if so, do you want to do a PM co-post, or just wing it on the thread?

As for Rowenna, I'm vaguely holding out on her just because it's so busy in-game that I haven't quite worked out a place for her yet.

Nogrod

11-05-2009, 04:57 PM

How do you feel, should we have the post opening the evening banquet - and lord Athanar making his speech - sooner or later?

So would you like to continue making people meet or would you like to get things advancing a bit further?

I can write that post in 24 hours the earliest but could well postpone it to Sunday-Monday (and in the latter case I might write one for lord Athanar looking at the surroundings / meeting someone / cnebba or Stigend doing something before it).

How do you feel about that?

Feanor of the Peredhil

11-05-2009, 05:01 PM

I'm good either way, since neither of my characters are particularly involved in anything just now, though if Foley and I do opt for a co-post, that will need a little time if only due to the nature of collaboration.

Folwren

11-05-2009, 05:06 PM

I would really like to have Javan meet up with Aedre and the two younger boys before the banquet....but I can't quite make an entrance yet. So, I'm on hold with that character for now...

As for Saeryn and Degas, I really don't think we need to do an actual post....well...it would be interesting if we did, Fea, so if you want to, let's go ahead, because I have a lot of feelings for what Saeryn is feeling, but I haven't put it into any words yet, and maybe it would be good for players to find out what she's thinking...? I don't know.

And right now, I need to head back to class because it's break and it's time to get back.

-- Foley

Nogrod

11-05-2009, 05:07 PM

Foley!

It's great you have been doing the map! And it looks pretty good indeed.

I have a few questions for you to consider though - and I hopefully have time during the weekend to really look at them.

But just for starters.

What do you mean by the Guardroom? Is it meant to be room where the guards sleep or where they have their office - or where they guard?

With the two latter options it would be too far away and aside of anything to be guarded.

Couldn't the armoury be on the left of the doors as that would be the coldest part of the hall during cold periods and thus liberate space for a table or two near the kitchens where it would be warmer?

Also we need to attach fireplaces - and look at their places in accordance with the second story so that all the warmth that comes from the fireplaces would directly heat the rooms up above them and not go astray. And the kitchen oven (& the possible fireplace on top of that) should also be used to warm some upper-story chambers?

I have some ideas on those but if you have some as well feel free to add them and we can discuss this plan further as the weekend comes.

Folwren

11-05-2009, 05:07 PM

Nog, I'll answer you next break in class. I'm late as it is.

Nogrod

11-05-2009, 05:08 PM

I would love to see Saeryn and Degas meet before the banquet begins!

Nogrod

11-05-2009, 05:11 PM

Oh, one more addendum to the planning...

We had a corridor between the kitchen and the Hall in the previous Hall as the hall was made of wood. But now it seems lord Eodwine had gotten his wishes through at least in part - and thus it would make it possible that the wall between the Hall and the kitchen would be made of stone and thus there needn't be a corridor for fire safety reasons... which means more warmth to the Hall as the kitchen oven might be made into the wall with the Hall itself...

Mnemosyne

11-05-2009, 05:53 PM

I'd like to get an unpacking post in before the banquet. I'll try to get it up sometime tonight... which is what I said last night... :rolleyes:

Nogrod

11-05-2009, 06:01 PM

Don't feel rushed anyone!

We have a lots of posting going on and we should get in all the posts people are willing to do... I mean that's why we do this: to give everyone a chance to write in! But we should not wait for a week for just one post someone wishes to do but can't right now (and if it's important we can always add it later). As long as there are like three or more posts everyday we can easily postpone the beginning of the banquet.

It's just that if the posting gets stalled we need to get forwards not to lose this great momentum... which will actually happen one day, but let's not think about it right now but keep up the great spirit we have now!

Folwren

11-05-2009, 06:04 PM

We can hold off on the banquet, then, right Nogrod? Since so many people want something up before it?

K....your comments about the Hall map....

What do you mean by the Guardroom? Is it meant to be room where the guards sleep or where they have their office - or where they guard?

Place where the guards and probably other men at present stay. Yes, it is very large. No, I'm not sure what exactly it's for. I don't like it and want to change it, but have had no inspiration yet.

Couldn't the armoury be on the left of the doors as that would be the coldest part of the hall during cold periods and thus liberate space for a table or two near the kitchens where it would be warmer?

I agree. After I arranged it, I decided that that was a horrible place for the armory. I don't want it to be to the left, though, because I want the hall to have the front door to be in the center and opening to an even space both to the right and the left, and just have the hall a clean, rectangle sweep, if that makes sense.

Also we need to attach fireplaces - and look at their places in accordance with the second story so that all the warmth that comes from the fireplaces would directly heat the rooms up above them and not go astray. And the kitchen oven (& the possible fireplace on top of that) should also be used to warm some upper-story chambers?

I have been thinking about the fireplace, too. I think the fireplace in the main hall should be on the right wall - against what I now have being the armory and the guardroom. That means those two rooms should be used for people to live in.

The kitchen fireplace I put where it is because of the fire issue I had been thinking of. But you made a comment...

We had a corridor between the kitchen and the Hall in the previous Hall as the hall was made of wood. But now it seems lord Eodwine had gotten his wishes through at least in part - and thus it would make it possible that the wall between the Hall and the kitchen would be made of stone and thus there needn't be a corridor for fire safety reasons... which means more warmth to the Hall as the kitchen oven might be made into the wall with the Hall itself...

Which means we can shift kitchen up against the great hall and put the fireplace up against the hall. I think I will put the kitchen against the hall and then put the armory and maybe even the guardroom below the kitchen, which will help enclose the courtyard even more. The fireplace will then be able to be on the back wall of the kitchen and therefore warm the guard room. I will draw it sometime tomorrow, I imagine, won't have time tonight.

And still...upstairs...

Oh, if we move the guardroom and armory, we can put the master-bedroom (so to speak) and the ladies quarters in those two downstairs room on the right of the great hall. That way, it will be realistic that everyone would be housed but they would not have completed the upper storey at all.

I am all for a post with Saeryn and Degas now. :) Fea, do you want to start it, or should I? Degas is on horseback, so Saeryn can't very find him unless he comes back.

Back to class I go!

-- Foley

Feanor of the Peredhil

11-05-2009, 07:30 PM

You can bring him back and start it, or I can. Your call. But I won't be able to start it until tomorrow if you leave it to me.

Nogrod

11-05-2009, 07:52 PM

We can hold off on the banquet, then, right Nogrod? Since so many people want something up before it?Of course! It's not my hurry... Just wishing to keep up the pace of posting.

But as I said, so long as people write posts more or less daily then we have no hurry to get things moving forwards.

Let's enjoy the posting!

I'll come back to the floorplans with you Foley, tomorrow or Saturday the latest. And anyone willing to engage please do it.

Folwren

11-05-2009, 07:55 PM

You can bring him back and start it, or I can. Your call. But I won't be able to start it until tomorrow if you leave it to me.

I won't be able to do it until tomorrow, either. So, let's say, first come, first serve.

I'll come back to the floorplans with you Foley, tomorrow or Saturday the latest. And anyone willing to engage please do it.

K...I'll keep working on it in my freetime, and then just make any suggestions when you come with some. I'm always glad to change something to make it better.

-- Folwren

Thinlómien

11-06-2009, 06:01 AM

Glad to see things going on and people making excellent posts (and liking my rascal characters :p).

Nienna - your post was good, Nogrod or/and I'll try to write for Cnebba asap!

Legate of Amon Lanc

11-06-2009, 08:33 AM

Folwren

11-06-2009, 09:05 AM

For now, maybe there were other orders, or maybe the soldiers could at last go and see the place where they were going to live.

That's a particularly funny line, Legate, since even we planners don't know exactly where that is. :eek:

Nienna - your post was good, Nogrod or/and I'll try to write for Cnebba asap!

Looking forward to it with great excitement. :D

I will post hopefully later this morning...Fea, if you get around to it, still post first, please. I don't really know when I'll have time to do it.

-- Foley

Gwathagor

11-06-2009, 12:49 PM

Crabby's baaaack.

Legate of Amon Lanc

11-06-2009, 01:51 PM

That's a particularly funny line, Legate, since even we planners don't know exactly where that is. :eek:

Yes, well, this is partially why I wrote that ;) But I think we can subtly avoid speaking specifically about the matter if it is not decided soon yet.

And, haha, I liked that Lilige mentioned the soldiers' brawl to Wynflaed, it is just a small thing, but it would be funny if the news of it after all reached the command (so to say, from the other direction). Or, if everybody knew about it except for Coen :D

Thinlómien

11-06-2009, 02:33 PM

Oh, this is wonderful. :D You people write excellent posts.

I'll write for Cnebba now...

Durelin

11-06-2009, 02:45 PM

Ad posting before banquet: As far as I am concerned, I thought that maybe Durelin might want to write yet some short interaction between Coen and Hilderinc, and in the end I figured that I might as well go and post some opening to that myself anyway. Also, if Thornden is perhaps going to find his way among the soldiers, they could meet yet before the banquet? (Either still with Coen, or if he leaves Hilderinc, then alone with him, or anything...)

Yeah, thanks Legate, I was hoping to have Coen talk to Hilderinc briefly. I managed to get a bit busy the past few days, sorry. I'll get a post up tomorrow at latest if that's okay. Feel free to move on, if you don't mind Legate I can always give you something to edit into your post.

Hilderinc asks a good question. That's an awesome map, Folwren! Where does everyone think the soldiers should be housed? There can't be very many. Would the 'Guardroom' in this case also include the barracks then? Or should there be a separate building/does a separate building need to be built even? I see this kinda was talked about a bit. I am fine with winging it a bit. ;)

Thinlómien

11-06-2009, 03:07 PM

Now it's up to either of you, Nienna or Folwren, to continue for the kids - Javan can come interfere now, or Aedre can get mad first, whichever of you wants to take the ball.

Nienna, please tell me if you want me to edit anything I made Aedre say or do, even just a bit. And please tell me what her trunk should look like! I just had to come up with something so I wrote something. :D

Legate of Amon Lanc

11-06-2009, 03:07 PM

Yeah, thanks Legate, I was hoping to have Coen talk to Hilderinc briefly. I managed to get a bit busy the past few days, sorry. I'll get a post up tomorrow at latest if that's okay. Feel free to move on, if you don't mind Legate I can always give you something to edit into your post.
Fine with me, I have posted this small bit and now I can just as well wait for you posting. No excessive hurry, I think we are still in the stage of "finishing the day" before the banquet, and we can still wait for these few posts before that happens, right, Nog?

Would the 'Guardroom' in this case also include the barracks then? Or should there be a separate building/does a separate building need to be built even? I see this kinda was talked about a bit. I am fine with winging it a bit. ;)

I was also thinking that perhaps guardroom=barracks, which would then make things a lot easier (and also it would make a lot more sense - I mean, I don't think there is anything you would need a "guardroom" for here, or, not yet anyway, with the hall of this size. And if something is built for the purpose of guarding, then I would suggest some smaller tower for a few guards to see around. There really won't be anything more needed for the time being).

Thinlómien

11-06-2009, 03:09 PM

Fine with me, I have posted this small bit and now I can just as well wait for you posting. No excessive hurry, I think we are still in the stage of "finishing the day" before the banquet, and we can still wait for these few posts before that happens, right, Nog?I can speak for him for we just talked about this - as he's said on the thread, there's absolutely no hurry with the banquet as long as people are interested to post about stuff that happens before it and no one is getting bored yet... So just go on and post if you have any ideas! :)

Legate of Amon Lanc

11-06-2009, 03:12 PM

Fine enough. Well, I don't think there will be necessarily much of that, but people are probably going to post a few things yet...

And by the way, Lommy, your post was cuute! :D (Although you misspelled and wrote "truck" instead of "trunk" in the last sentence, but that's nice as well ;) )

Thinlómien

11-06-2009, 03:49 PM

And by the way, Lommy, your post was cuute! :D (Although you misspelled and wrote "truck" instead of "trunk" in the last sentence, but that's nice as well ;) )

Hmph. *off to edit* (Although, thanks for pointing it out. I was confusing those two words all the time, which was pretty annoying.)

PS. Thanks to whoever it was that repped me forty minutes ago for my latest post for Cnebba and didn't sign it. ;)

Nienna

11-06-2009, 04:10 PM

Lommy!! That Cnebba post was great. I might post something little about Ædre getting mad and then Javon can pop in if that works for you Foley.

Oh and her trunk is perfect.

Folwren

11-06-2009, 05:27 PM

Oooookay. At long last, I posted.

Durelin - your character is addressed, but hardly needs to answer.
Legate and Durelin - I don't know if Firefoot is around. She hasn't been lately. She plays Leof's character. If you wish, you can have Leof approaching them to tell them that he needs some help, as Saeryn ordered.

Fea, I posted for Saeryn, but did not have her find Degas. Instead I had her find Flithaf's stall taken with the new lord's horse. Hehehehe. That's beside the point. You can have Degas ride up whenever you like.

Remember while writing, everyone, that the second wing of stalls are NOT built at present. So, I think we have 11 stalls?

Lommy! Great post! I liked it. Legate was right - it was cute.
Javan won't enter quite yet. Let Aedre get heated up first.

Guardroom does equal Barracks. I will note that. I am also moving the barracks/guardroom to another place, so....if you all will hang on for like thirty minutes, I'll get a new and improved map up. You're getting this in piece meal, you know.

At present, there may not be very many guards, but there are a lot of men, and I think that right now, since we don't have a lot of actual rooms built, the men will all be staying in one place. That's one reason it's so large, I think.

-- Folwren

Folwren

11-06-2009, 05:41 PM

Here is the newest map.

As you see, I haven't decided what those rooms inside the hall are. I am trying to put the womens' quarters down there and the master bedroom. Plenty of room, I just don't know how to use the room.

I have added doors to all the stalls. I have also put many doors into the building. Note the side door by the stairs. Also, the kitchen has two doors....

I'll work on this later tonight some more.

-- Foley

Nogrod

11-06-2009, 05:55 PM

On the guardroom & barracks issue...

It would be wise if any rooms hosting the soldiers would be tight against the walls of the MH itself as the Hall will be warmed up during winter-time and thus as much square-feets/meters adjacent to the Hall itself would mean cost-free heating to them. So not a square-shaped room in the corner of the Hall but a rectangle building along the lines of the Hall itself? Probably behind it looking from the main doors eg. behind the longer back-wall?

Also those rooms upstairs (for others than soldiers) should be over the main heat supplies: the main fireplace at the Hall, the side-fireplace heating the best tables and the eorl's bench, the kitchen oven (which should be sharing a wall with the Hall) as heat gets upwards... etc.

I have an idea of how it might work, but let us see if you Foley come up with a better solution to it.

Also I managed to draw a general map of the Mid-Emnet in relation to Edoras. I'll take a pic of it tomorrow in daylight and send it here for you to approve/disapprove.

And as Lommy said: there is no hurry!

As long as people think they wish to write people meeting before the banquet and there are a host of posts everyday, we shall go on. When you feel you are ready or the number of posts starts to go down, I'll post for lord Athanar to open the banquet. So take your time - posting that is. :)

Nogrod

11-06-2009, 05:56 PM

Here is the newest map.Foley, I think the link is missing... :confused:

Loslote

11-06-2009, 07:11 PM

PS. Thanks to whoever it was that repped me forty minutes ago for my latest post for Cnebba and didn't sign it. ;)

:eek: Sorry! I always forget that. *facepalms*

Folwren

11-06-2009, 08:09 PM

Whooops. I did go through the motions of attaching it, but I guess the computer didn't recognize it. ;)

Let's try again....but I think I see what you mean about the guardroom's situation. I'll attach the latest map and then work on the map some more and attach another one...

Nienna

11-06-2009, 08:25 PM

I think we are ready for Javan now Foley. If there is anything that you want me to add that might make his entrance easier let me know.

Lommy if I misrepresented Cnebba please let me know and I can edit.

Feanor of the Peredhil

11-06-2009, 09:24 PM

Foley: I'll get on that once I catch up. Also, tiny nitpick: you forgot the 'r' in armory on the map.

Nienna

11-06-2009, 11:19 PM

*Gasp* Foley! That post was brilliant. I can't wait to write a response. It is a bit late now though so it will probably be tomorrow.

Folwren

11-06-2009, 11:35 PM

Thanks, Fea. Paint doesn't have spell checker, that I know of.

Nogrod, let me know what you think of this new plan.

As it turns out, we have an extra room that is very large. It's way up in the back, right hand corner of hall. I was considering putting in a room where Modtryth, Stigend and Cnebba could be together as a family, but there was no convenient place to put them. Let me know ideas on that...

Guard room and Armory at the front of the building. Guardroom a little too small for my liking...unless we decide to put all the men who aren't strictly guards back in that back room.

I put the kitchen ladies across the hall from the kitchen. I may have made a mistake to make two rooms for the women. I'm really not sure how many of us there are.

Nienna, I almost cross posted with you, but not quite. I'm glad you like the post. :D I am looking forward with GREAT anticipation to your response. Unfortunately, I will be away most of tomorrow and may not get a chance to post until Sunday. :( If I don't post by noon tomorrow (which is about twelve hours from when I will be posting this post) then assume I won't be on again until Sunday afternoon. And in which case, why don't you, Nienna, go ahead and heat the argument all the way up to whatever point you wish. Have Javan say or do whatever strikes your fancy. Then when I get on, if it's not fiery enough, I'll fix it. :D

K....I think that's it. Once again, let me know your thoughts, everyone.

EDIT: The map says that the outer side wall is only 60 feet long. That is a lie...I added twelve feet to it when I put in the guardroom and armoury and moved the kitchen up. So, the dimensions for the building are now 90 by 72. Plus twelve more where the kitchen sticks out a little.

Nogrod

11-07-2009, 07:17 AM

I'm in a hurry right now and will comment on things later today. But here's a draft of Mid Emnet.

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc90/NogrodU/MidEmnet.jpg

Feanor of the Peredhil

11-07-2009, 10:17 AM

My apologies, Harad and Umbar, for my slights against your rulers. :cool:

Nienna

11-07-2009, 01:06 PM

Feanor of the Peredhil

11-07-2009, 01:16 PM

Oh nos! An insult to parentage!

Hehe!

We're such naughty children writing so much havoc. It's awesome.

Nogrod

11-07-2009, 08:02 PM

Fun! :D

Just let me know when you're ready... but no hurry. As long as there is a host of posting we will stay with the current situation (so do not be afraid to go meet someone else's character or anything).

I'll try to write the speech of lord Athanar tomorrow (if I have time) but can send it - and all that surrounds it - on any day then, like in a few days, the next weekend... So go for the posting meanwhile! It's looking very good indeed.

Also, let's discuss the plans of the hall more tomorrow. I've had Legate, Lommy and Greenie around here for the evening and now as they sleep I have played werewolf... :p

But I'll be back tomorrow.

Durelin

11-07-2009, 11:34 PM

Folwren

11-08-2009, 09:14 AM

So I don't know if rascal is something she would know to call someone so if it glaringly non-period please let me know. Now I can't wait for Javan's reply. I'm having a blast in case anyone was wondering.

I think rascal is fine. But forgive me if I seem prudish or something, but I've noted a few writers inserting the swear-word 'bloody' in some recent posts. That's fine if tempers are running high, and since I'm not really leading this game, my word doesn't carry any weight, but I would personally like to see less/no swearing except on the rarest occasion.

I will write Javan's post now. I'm at my Aunt's house on her computer, so I don't know where to find a word processor (I'm on an Apple computer....) so my post may have some typing mistakes.

Nienna, I'm progressing this fight, I hope you don't mind. If you want more say in what happens, go ahead and post and I can alter what I end up posting in just a few minutes...

-- Foley

Folwren

11-08-2009, 09:41 AM

Posted!!!

And Fea, I was going to post for Saeryn, too, but everyone is ready to leave now and I must go. I will post when I get home....this afternoon. I promise it will be up later today. I LOVE this! So many different emotions for my characters!

-- Folwren

Feanor of the Peredhil

11-08-2009, 11:09 AM

I shall amuse myself by alchemy-ing Nienna's holiday gift into its golden state. No rush, Foley.

Legate of Amon Lanc

11-08-2009, 11:33 AM

Legate - I took a little liberty in moving things forward (assuming Hilderinc just gathered up the men from nearby) and by not having Áforglæd fall in line with the other soldiers. The reasons behind this are up to you because Hilderinc is sort of involved. So of course, let me know if what I did is alright - if not, I will be more than happy to edit.

I figure it might be interesting to have a missing man for a little, whether or not he is purposefully avoiding things. If no one knows where Áforglæd is, Coen will try not to put a hold on everything to find him.
Good, looks fine to me. I will try to think of a post and write something now in the following few hours.

But forgive me if I seem prudish or something, but I've noted a few writers inserting the swear-word 'bloody' in some recent posts. That's fine if tempers are running high, and since I'm not really leading this game, my word doesn't carry any weight, but I would personally like to see less/no swearing except on the rarest occasion.
One of them would have been me - and in that case, the intention was to sort of make it go with Áforglæd's character, him being suddenly startled by Coen's approach and being probably close to this "earth-bred soldier"-type. I wanted to use some word which would sound plausible (the other variant was something like "damned", but this one sounded better to me and far more appropriate). I think the likes of Áforglæd or the other infamous Scyrr could be somewhat close to this type and thus also their speech, when they are only among themselves (and not for example speaking to their leader), could reflect that (of course not always by any means, but in emotional moments like this).

Nienna

11-08-2009, 12:43 PM

Foley, thanks for moving the fight along. I post something a bit later. I also edited and Javan is now a vile rascal. :D Is that ok?

Legate of Amon Lanc

11-08-2009, 01:52 PM

Posted! Dury, I have suggested in my post that Coen also spotted the children's fight, so now he'd have several things for him to react to now :) But of course, if you don't want him to notice it, I can edit my post.

As for the location of our missing soldier, of course he can be anywhere, but when I was sort of thinking of what could have happened to him, one logical place would be the kitchen. Especially after what I made him say in my former post, perhaps after washing his face a bit, he decided to get out of sight and the kitchen seemed a good enough place. That would also give opportunity to people from the kitchen to post their interaction or reaction when a random soldier enters the kitchen (possibly sort of looking around, perhaps asking when the meal's going to be ready, and eventually trying if he cannot get some small piece of leftover food from the cooks?), and it could also give Hilderinc the possibility to interact with them if Coen sends him to find Áforglæd, and it could also give some Erbrand chance to be jealous or whatever :) (and thus make poor Áforglæd an official beating dummy?). Simply, there is just quite a lot of potential in that.

Nogrod

11-08-2009, 03:55 PM

I just love this! What a mess! :)

This is really going to be interesting - well it is already...

I'll write something tomorrow. If anyone wishes to mark lord Athanar walking back to the Hall feel free to take advantage of that...

Durelin

11-08-2009, 03:55 PM

On the cursing question, technically the debate boils down to no cursing or even fake-cursing is allowed in posts per the Barrow-Wight's rules (though I have been guilty of it in the past).

But anyways - thanks for going along with it Legate, and thank you for bringing to fight to my as well as Coen's attention! There is a lot going on to keep up with, for me... And the kitchens sound like a good possibility hehe. I feel like we're turning this Áforglæd into a real character, and he may need a bio soon (he's just a NPC with a name, right?)!

I have a response ready (Coen is going to get involved, most likely even if someone else steps in first), but want to give Nienna a chance to post before the situation gets hijacked at all. Also, just say the word if there's a problem with Coen getting involved - he just feels he needs to protect Athanar's family and keep an eye on just about everyone.

Folwren

11-08-2009, 05:34 PM

I have a response ready (Coen is going to get involved, most likely even if someone else steps in first), but want to give Nienna a chance to post before the situation gets hijacked at all. Also, just say the word if there's a problem with Coen getting involved - he just feels he needs to protect Athanar's family and keep an eye on just about everyone.

Nope, that's great. When I originally imagined this scene, the kids were not in the courtyard, but as soon as I realized that a lot of Athanar's men were there, I KNEW someone would get involved almost immediately. In my original draft with Thornden, I had not yet read your post, Dury, about the men falling into formation, so I had some random soldier break it up and then Thornden walk up. As you can see, I altered that. So it'll be perfect for Coen to step in.

Nienna

11-08-2009, 06:22 PM

I think we are ready for some intervention. :D

Folwren

11-08-2009, 09:50 PM

Poor frustrated Degas! And poor Saeryn!

Nogrod, are you keeping up with this? Are we imagining Athanar wrong, or something? It really amuses me how different people view different characters in RPGs...especially the disparity between the writer's view of their character and other reader's view of a same character.

Fea, I'm going to bed now, but I'll see about getting up early tomorrow so I can post before going to work.

-- Folwren

Mnemosyne

11-08-2009, 09:52 PM

What's the plan with AEdre? Mummy and Daddy are not going to be terribly pleased when they learn her pretty face has been marred... (Though she totally had it coming! Nog, this is ALL your fault!)

Folwren

11-09-2009, 07:22 AM

What's the plan with AEdre? Mummy and Daddy are not going to be terribly pleased when they learn her pretty face has been marred... (Though she totally had it coming! Nog, this is ALL your fault!)

I almost think that her parents won't really agree that 'she totally had it coming'. I don't know what the plan is. I leave that up to the grown up character players... You and Nogrod, namely. :D And maybe Durelin, if Captain Coenred wishes to decide without consulting anybody. :p

I have posted for Saeryn and gotten them headed back in the general direction of the Mead Hall...however, Saeryn has opened the can of worms again, maybe, so it could be a little while before Fea and I actually get back....or it might not. It depends on how Fea responds and then if I respond again, or if we just ride in. I dunno. We'll find out.

In the mean time, I'm anxious to find out what's happening with Javan, Aedre, and Coen in the courtyard...

Oh, and for Legate and any other players who have character stuck in formation in the courtyard - just have Thornden take them where they're supposed to go and unpack their stuff. I didn't write anything for Thornden yesterday because I thought it'd be too boring to put down on paper and I could leave it to anybody who wanted to move.

-- Foley

Mnemosyne

11-09-2009, 08:30 AM

I almost think that her parents won't really agree that 'she totally had it coming'.

Probably not, lol! I just wanted to know if anyone else was going to bring the scuffle to their attention...

Folwren

11-09-2009, 08:34 AM

Probably not, lol! I just wanted to know if anyone else was going to bring the scuffle to their attention...

Well...I noted that Nogrod said that soon Athanar will be riding into the courtyard. :eek:

Folwren

11-09-2009, 02:50 PM

Hm...I'm kind of shy about bringing Saeryn and Degas back to the Mead Hall. I don't think they'd be back quite yet in concerns to Javan, Aedre, and all that stuff. That's mainly why I haven't posted again today. I'm currently waiting on Durelin or Nogrod or Nienna to continue there in the courtyard.

-- Foley

Nogrod

11-09-2009, 06:08 PM

Heh. Lord Athanar would not be "riding" to the court-yard, but walking back from the scar where he has been looking over the surrounding areas and the Mead Hall settlement by foot... just to adjust himself to where he has been sent into.

But sorry. I was actually playing werewolf all the evening I had to spare as it was quite deciding day we had there... but tomorrow there will be a Night-phase and I can then post something without any responsibilities that way...

But lord Athanar will be walking down the cliffs and back to the MH so let's see if the things are settled / quieted down or not as he comes by tomorrow (RL)... :)

Anyone: do post things forwards before that. No need to wait for anything!

Loslote

11-09-2009, 08:43 PM

If no one else does before tomorrow (I don't have time today) I can have Lilige go out on some errand and find Aedre. She can then take her to Wynflaed...will that work?

Mnemosyne

11-09-2009, 08:46 PM

That's what I was somewhat considering briefly (and what made me refrain from posting), but I also thought it might be good for someone else to march AEdre in, say, just as Lilige's about to leave. I'm not entirely sure how the timing of both plots lines up.

Feanor of the Peredhil

11-09-2009, 08:47 PM

Maybe a time to introduce Rowenna back to the game?

Folwren

11-09-2009, 09:31 PM

Maybe a time to introduce Rowenna back to the game?

Brilliant idea. I've been looking forward to her.

Durelin

11-09-2009, 10:58 PM

Hmmm...why in such a rush? I'd say Nienna should get a chance to post, and I'm more than happy to post again for the current situation. Obviously moving things along is great, but I do hope no one's expecting posts from everyone everyday, or they won't be waited for...

Maybe it's just what I'm used to, but I know it always is a little upsetting when all of a sudden something I was involved in is completely hijacked before I had a chance to respond (not that I'm saying that's what people are consciously trying to do). I don't mind someone stepping in other than Coen, particularly since my time for posting is kinda limited right now anyway, but...I just feel like people have kinda been going a little crazy about keeping things moving and being involved and posting at every possible opportunity (including forcing opportunities), putting the cooperativeness of RPing at risk. Don't get me wrong, the energy of things right now is great.

Related to that, I've noticed a few instances of people using other people's characters (moving them, giving them dialogue, suggesting how they react). I don't know if it's all been pre-arranged between players...but it really should be. I know especially in the earlier days of RPing here, it happened a lot, but that's not really RPing... I don't know, obviously it's up to the individuals.

Sorry to be annoying, just wanted to toss all that out there. Hope I don't come across nastily. Just voicing concerns, which may not be concerns to anyone else in which case they can pretty much be ignored, eh?

(Note that, seriously, I'm glad Lommy sent me that PM and I caved so easily and joined in, I am really enjoying this!)

Feanor of the Peredhil

11-09-2009, 11:00 PM

I'm in no rush.

I just like throwing around ideas. Besides, if I do post Rowenna involving herself in the Aedre/Javan situation, it won't be until tomorrow afternoon.

So anybody that wants to jump in before then? Go for it.

Folwren

11-10-2009, 09:13 AM

No. I'm probably the impatient one here. There's no reason for the rush, Durelin, you're right. I guess I got overly excited. Sorry.:o I'm quite willing to wait for Nienna to post...

It was just a little trying yesterday for me. I was working on an extraordinarily boring paper, and checking the Barrow Downs a lot to try to break the monotony and nothing was happening, so my monotonous day was never broken up. :(

Yeah, I can wait.

And you're right about writing for other people's characters. I've gotten lax about that myself, despite Arry's careful training in my early days of writing. I for one need to be careful not to do that with other characters. Did I do it for yours, Durelin?

-- Foley

Legate of Amon Lanc

11-10-2009, 09:55 AM

I don't know if there is anything interesting to write about the soldiers unpacking the stuff, unless Foley was to write for Thornden being present there (but maybe he'd rather concern himself with Javan and co. for the moment?). But I might write (unless there is something else happening, like I just said), perhaps today or tomorrow, something about Hilderinc going to look for Áforglæd, for example. Lommy said that she might post perhaps tomorrow for some people in the kitchen (encountering Áforglæd and later then Hilderinc), which could go with what I proposed in the former posts. But that basically means that if you want to post, Folwren, you could make Thornden exchange a few words with Hilderinc; if not, then after Lommy posts I will just basically take him into the kitchen.

And Durelin - yes, indeed Áforglæd is turning into something a bit more than an NPC, which is nice :) Well, I don't feel like making him a "proper" character yet, and also I don't feel exactly like writing a bio for him: I rather think that it is interesting to just "observe" what becomes of him, and later we can decide what his background is based on our "observation" :) Although perhaps for the sake of clarity and easy approach to information, we could make some short bio for him, including just the things we know already (that he is Athanar's guard... well, that's basically all :D But it can be regularly updated). Well, whatever.

Folwren

11-10-2009, 11:02 AM

Hm....I wasn't thinking I would post for Thornden because I didn't see any potential in anything happening, being just a simple assignment of showing them to the barracks and then leaving them to their own devices ... I mean, leaving them to unpack. But if you would like to play it up a little (seeing as we have some extra time) then we can. Perhaps they can strike up a conversation of sorts. Maybe we can have a good experience between the new comers and the locals, as the Scarburgians keep getting called. A calm, friendly type of conversation.

I won't have time to post until much later today, if at all. Legate, if you'd like, you could post and get them moving and perhaps strike up a conversation? I'll answer sometime.

And as for getting involved with Javan - nope. Thornden follows orders pretty much to the T so long as it doesn't go against his conscience or his lord or lady's orders.

-- Foley

Durelin

11-10-2009, 11:18 AM

No, don't apologize, nothing to apologize for, Foley. And no I don't recall you 'using' Coen or anything.

Oh papers... Have two big ones I'm working on right now. It's hard to write a paper when you just want to write RP posts all the time... :D

I am completely fine with just seeing what becomes of Aflorgaed, Legate!

Legate of Amon Lanc

11-10-2009, 11:47 AM

Hm....I wasn't thinking I would post for Thornden because I didn't see any potential in anything happening, being just a simple assignment of showing them to the barracks and then leaving them to their own devices ... I mean, leaving them to unpack. But if you would like to play it up a little (seeing as we have some extra time) then we can. Perhaps they can strike up a conversation of sorts. Maybe we can have a good experience between the new comers and the locals, as the Scarburgians keep getting called. A calm, friendly type of conversation.

I won't have time to post until much later today, if at all. Legate, if you'd like, you could post and get them moving and perhaps strike up a conversation? I'll answer sometime.

It was just an idea. I also didn't see anything interesting about unpacking, but if you feel like it (I guess that's the main thing) and have some inspiration, it could be nice to have some little conversation between Thornden and Hilderinc (Thornden was there to see Hilderinc reporting to Coen, which gives a good reason to Thornden to turn to him in particular, of all the soldiers, if he wants to pick one to talk to, to figure out what likes of people are they or whatever). Feel free to initiate it, whenever you can or wish.

Nogrod

11-10-2009, 03:49 PM

On the issue raised by Dury: I think the "posting rules" have always been a bit more relaxed in the Mead Hall, meaning that people have had more leeway into using each others characters - with all the traditional and well-proven corrections like that one should try to use another person's character as little as s/he can and trying to stick to the spirit of that character, that everything the "used character's" writer wishes to be changed need to be changed immediately etc...

But that said we should be careful using each other's characters and I do warmly recommend building posts together (via PM's, MSN, what have you) if you wish to have more dialogue or more reactions from other writer's characters in one post.

And surely the "rules" are different to people who have posted for each other's characters in the Mead Hall for years and have learned it trusting each other's judgement on issues concerning their characters (like Foley and Fea with Saeryn & Degas).

But that brings me to the second issue raised here. It has been quite frantic I must admit (heh, been a way for a few Days and had like a page of reading to do!), and it is easy to see why. The new situation - a kind of new beginning - makes us all more interested in this and everyone wants to post as much as they can.

It is a good thing and I would be the last one to say that "hey, don't post that much!". :D

But it will (sadly) change as time goes by and the "new Mead Hall" will not arouse such a frantic posting - and thus some of the problems noted here will settle themselves.

But I must say I love this energy we have right now! Let's keep it up - without rushing our co-writers to write a substantial post everyday. We have lots of things going on there and not every situation needs be dealt with today... :)

Nogrod

11-10-2009, 04:16 PM

Nogrod, are you keeping up with this? Are we imagining Athanar wrong, or something? It really amuses me how different people view different characters in RPGs...especially the disparity between the writer's view of their character and other reader's view of a same character.I kind of like this tension arising from different perspectives on different characters in the story.

Lord Athanar sure is more or less a blank paper still as he's such a new character. What is said of him in the BIO will hopefully stand - and I have discussed the personalities of Athanar and Wynflaed and their relationship with Mnemo - thus we have some more info on them which I think we're not willing to give up as such. Not that there is a grand conspiracy awaiting you or any great surprises. Just things of their history & background to guide us into writing them and hopefully becoming "flesh and blood" here in the story.

So what happens in the next months will surely be decisive for the molding of lord Athanar's character. I gave myself only one rule of thumb in the beginning, which I have and will follow quite intuitively: the more resistance there is the nobler and the more reasonable I will write him - and the smoother the things would go, the viler person I'd write him to be. So the balance of dramatic tension has been my guiding star.

Right now I think I have gotten him somewhat to the noble and reasonable side of things as it clearly has not been a warm welcome or obedient and respectful welcome to someone appointed to the place by the king himself. :rolleyes:

But what comes will decide his personality and there are still I think many things that we can't yet see to decide that... like how would he react to her daughter being beaten in like two hours from their arrival? :eek:

On an unrelated matter: I just love the way the tensions, the strong feelings, the struggle shown all around the Mead Hall... are intercepted with Lilige and Wynflaed speculating on different gowns and just living in a world of their own! That's absolutely hilarious and at the same time thought-provoking!

I'm going to post for lord Athanar a short post but he probably shouldn't notice the fight between Aedre and Javan. It would be better if Lilige or Coen took Aedre to Wynflaed and Athanar learned the thing only later. Otherwise we'd have such heated posting and the whole place exploding that we'd reach the welcoming banquet at Christmas-time the earliest... if there would be one any more... :confused:

Nogrod

11-10-2009, 04:48 PM

I actually decided it better that lord Athanar will just sit on the scar until the things have settled down as I saw no way he could have avoided the row between Aedre and Javan... especially as Coenred is at it as well.

But Dury, Coenred has been met by the craftsmen... And Nienna feel free to make Aedre make her case if you think she would at that situation! Or post anyway for her feelings or what have you...

Mnemosyne

11-10-2009, 05:03 PM

Okay, I've let Lilige loose, so if people want to get reactions in before (presumably, if you'd still like to go along with this, Lottie?) we get involved now would be a good time.

Folwren

11-10-2009, 05:17 PM

I don't have time to post, I'm only on a short break in the middle of class...but do you really think they'd send Javan off without waiting for and explanation? I propose that he not run off and be told to stand still and wait until they decide what to do.

And I have a vague idea that if Coen agrees to keep things from becoming a mountain, Aedre won't. :p

-- Folwren

Nienna

11-10-2009, 05:24 PM

I'm going to try and get something posted tonight. Aedre is definitely going to want a mountain :D

Nogrod

11-10-2009, 05:35 PM

do you really think they'd send Javan off without waiting for and explanation? I propose that he not run off and be told to stand still and wait until they decide what to do.Well my idea was that they would wish to cool the thing down as their first objective. Being fathers of young children they would know that if the children were given a chance to re-tell the events facing each other while the emnities were still hot it would only end up in more fighting; screaming, yelling and accusing... and that would be against the primary target of hushing the incident down as well as possible. (Which of course is a stupid objective as the whole thing would be revealed sooner than later - well as soon as Wynflaed or Athanar would see their daughter and the shape she is in: but that's daddies reacting with their strong hearts but short sights :rolleyes:)

And they had already heard Javan saying his father would not have approved of what he had done, so they had some preconceptions already of what happened eg. that Javan had acted badly... once again. (poor Javan, his reputation is hard to carry indeed...) So they were actually also protecting Javan by sending him away.

And I have a vague idea that if Coen agrees to keep things from becoming a mountain, Aedre won't. :pWith that I wholly agree... and I'm not sure how Coenred will react to that interruption either...

Meddle with it, anyone! :D

Nogrod

11-10-2009, 05:51 PM

Oh and Foley, if you think you would like to write for Javan, he could of course come back... or go to find Cnebba and Garmund to share his experience with the new girl. And Cnebba could share his own too. :rolleyes:

(Feel free to use Cnebba for that.)

Folwren

11-10-2009, 07:55 PM

I still don't have time to post! I'll probably write after Nienna posts.

I see what you mean, Nogrod...but it cracks me up, because this'll be the third person to disappear after a fight. :p

EDIT: Ack. I see the maid lady has found Aedre. Oh dear.

And back to class I get.

Mnemosyne

11-10-2009, 10:37 PM

I'm planning on waiting a day or two in real life before Wynflaed sees her daughter, so if people still want to post the ensuing ruckus that Lilige's presence will no doubt create (even if only a mental ruckus) there's time for that.

Thinlómien

11-11-2009, 02:41 PM

I'll try to post something tonight...

As for posting for other characters, I think it's ok to make them say a thing or two, but not anything very big or important and in any case it's always nicer to ask the other writer. So writing

"Good day to you, sir!" my character said.
"Good day," your character replied.
"How are you?" asked my character.

is completely ok. But I wouldn't write:

"Good day to you, sir!" my character said.
"Good day," your character replied.
"How are you?" asked my character.
"My day is absolutely awesome this far - my love agreed to marry me!" your character said and smiled.

because that's sort of intruding on the other writer's domain. Mostly, you get quite far by using common sense and your gut feeling about what you would or would not like other writers to do to your character. Of course there's leeway with characters with currently inactive writers, but I guess that can be considered with the aforementioned "common sense". ;) One definite rule, I'd say, would be NOT MAKING UP OTHER CHARACTERS' FEELINGS OR THOUGHTS.

And of course, everybody here is willing to edit their post if their characters are misinterpreted, so I wouldn't think it's a problem. People have been mostly very nice and sensible this far. But thanks to Durelin for bringing this up, especially if the issue was not clear to all writers. :) (And I think we also all have different opinions, so don't take my words as the absolute truth! ;))

Thinlómien

11-11-2009, 04:29 PM

situation check: there's something I have to discuss with people
time check: half past midnight
conclusion: I'll post tomorrow

Folwren

11-11-2009, 05:01 PM

Lommy or Nogrod - if there's a way I can catch you before you go to bed - can I borrow Cnebba and Garmund for my next post?

Nogrod

11-11-2009, 05:10 PM

Lommy or Nogrod - if there's a way I can catch you before you go to bed - can I borrow Cnebba and Garmund for my next post?I was just going to bed but happily saw your post.

Please do borrow them. (And actually Garmund isn't our character in any strict sense)

Have fun with the boys! :)

Folwren

11-11-2009, 06:19 PM

Thanks, Nogrod! I came up with a long post...longer than I had originally imagined.... Please let me know if I must change anything of Cnebba. I did not write much for him. If you would like to have me have Cnebba say something new, or have him take some of Garmund's lines, then please let me know, and I can alter it.

I integrated Saeryn. Fea, I have hopefully written it in such a way that if you want, you can post Degas' answer and go ahead and finish their conversation and it would still be correct time-wise for her to be where she is at the end of my post.

I have left the post open ended. Either Nogrod or Lommy can answer, or I can go ahead and write a response, but there is really no rush.

I think that's all I need to say. I have to go help make dinner now. If I remember something, I can always post again.

--Foley

Feanor of the Peredhil

11-11-2009, 06:25 PM

Everybody can consider my last post as an open invitation to have your characters antagonize Degas in any way imaginable.

Feanor of the Peredhil

11-11-2009, 06:27 PM

Actually, Foley, you might want to copy/paste my Degas post into yours, and then I'll delete it. That way it's not jumping backward.

Folwren

11-11-2009, 07:00 PM

Done, Fea. However...I did it slightly unconventionally. Generally, when one post is integrated into someone else's post, the original poster puts 'Feanor of the Peredhil's Post' before it. Well...I confess, I didn't. I didn't like how it broke it up and I thought it would run better if I left the disclaimer out.

So....so that all may know, this was Fea's post:

Degas smiled a strained smile and hugged Saeryn around the shoulders. "For a moment there I thought of saying, incredulously, "Who do you take me for?" until I remembered that it's not so long ago that I probably would have challenged the man to a duel as a matter of foolish pride. He weighs more than me yes, but I'd bet a great deal I'm faster and could win..."

He shushed Saeryn with his hand before she could say anything.

"Don't worry, sister. The troubles of nobles should never be made the troubles of commoners, and this Emnet has enough problems without our revealing to the people that we question our superiors." He swore. "Really, Saer, it would be a nightmare if commoners got it into their heads that it is acceptable to talk back. We protect and govern them in return for their loyalty and obedience. As long as we are good rulers, commoners absolutely must remain good subjects. No, we can't show them by example that they may question or refuse. Upon both of our honors, Saeryn, I swear that I will not fight with anyone tonight, no matter how I am baited to do so."

Feanor of the Peredhil

11-11-2009, 07:06 PM

Oh psh. Don't worry about convention. I just like things to look nice and run smooth.

Thinlómien

11-12-2009, 03:12 PM

Foley, your post was brilliant. :)

I'm posting something short for Modtryth tonight and possible for the W's too, and Cnebba if needs be - but I kind of think it may be better to leave things open-ended there...

Thinlómien

11-12-2009, 04:00 PM

My apologies Foley, I somehow managed to miss the part of Saeryn addressing the boys. I continued with a few lines for Cnebba, feel free to carry on. :)

And as for what I wrote for Modtryth, the first soldier to enter the kitchen was obviously Áforglaed and the second one is Hilderinc who is looking for him. Lhuna, if you're around, I hope I handled Ginna correctly. :)

I will write for Wulf&Will as soon as I get inspiration... hopefully tomorrow!

PS. Fea dear, you agreed with Foley's plan but actually forgot to delete the post. ;)

Feanor of the Peredhil

11-12-2009, 05:21 PM

Yes, I just noticed that. All better.

Legate of Amon Lanc

11-13-2009, 02:44 AM

Wonderful, I am going to post for Hilderinc later today, filling part of the time he spends in between unpacking and the evening celebration...

Legate of Amon Lanc

11-13-2009, 03:14 AM

Opening the can of worms again.

Guard room and Armory at the front of the building. Guardroom a little too small for my liking...unless we decide to put all the men who aren't strictly guards back in that back room.

I need to get this settled probably now. So, which one of the maps are we going to use? Because if it is the last one (presented in the post I am quoting) and the guardroom is in the main building, it is preeeeeetty small! I mean, in that case, it would be just guardroom for, like, some eight people sleeping there at most, or something like that. And I was just writing my post for Hilderinc and I accidentally used one of the former maps, where the room was much bigger and next to the kitchens... thus Hilderinc's thoughts about it were good... then I saw this and figured that in that case, I would need to reconsider. In that case, his reactions would be preeetty negative :D (Which is maybe in our intention? ;) ) So, anyway, I do not have time to finish my post now, but when I will be back home in the evening, some six hours from now or a bit more, then I would like to post (well, of course I can still edit it later if we decide otherwise... but since the looks of the barracks are probably going to influence Hilderinc's mood, I think it's time to settle it now).

So, meanwhile, if there is anything yet to add or alter about the Mead Hall's appearance, or mainly, about the soldiers' "housing place", let's talk about it... also, where are the men of the Mead Hall living now (i.e. the locals)? Are some soldiers now in the barracks, and some of them are going to move out, or will some of them stay and squeeze in with a few of the new soldiers, while others will be... where? Where do the men sleep? And where will the rest of Athanar's soldiers sleep? It is obvious that not all soldiers, let alone all men in the Mead Hall can sleep in the same small room. (Personally, I had nothing against the original placing of the barracks against the kitchen, as it would be at least partially heated from the kitchen, if there is a fireplace built in the neighbouring wall.)

Folwren

11-13-2009, 08:26 AM

K, good. Thanks for your comments. It answers some questions I had earlier.

The main thing is, before everyone from Edoras came, the guardroom would have been big enough for Eodwine's current men at arms. And right now, all they were doing were building things that would currently house people. Future barracks were perhaps being built.

25ft by 12ft would be able to house more than 8 people. They would have to use stacked beds (bunk beds), but you can fit a lot of people into a fairly small space. I'm trying to think....at the summer camp where I work, the staff housing is consists of two rooms about 20 ft by 10 ft (not including the sinks, toilet, and shower). They got four bunk-beds in a room, plus, on days that there were a lot of us, we would put up two additional cots. Now, this being kind of my basis, there are a few things we might address:
Would there be any such thing as a bunk-bed in Rohan?
Would the beds be as wide as the smallest size of beds we have now? I kind of think they would have narrower beds.
Even if the beds were narrower and were stacked, where would their stuff be kept?

All that being said, a 25 by 12 foot room is not big enough for all the men we have now...

So, I'm going to say, let's put as many men as we can into the room that is beside the Master Bedroom in the map, up at the end of the building. Here, I'll attach the document again with the word's written in.

This doesn't solve our problem of a small guardsroom. It may be that later we build an entirely separate barracks and give them a small fireplace or stove for themselves. I think one reason I liked the guardroom being in the building itself is that they would be there immediately, all the time. If we build a seperate barracks, then some of the guards should be at the guardroom at all times, just in case.

Thoughts? Comments?

EDIT: Upon reading Mnemosyne's post, my thoughts was: "Okay, here we go. Out of the frying pan into the fire." :D

Legate of Amon Lanc

11-13-2009, 09:15 AM

Okay, haven't thought about bunkbeds. My first general idea was having some really simple straw beds there, and of course some addittional space to put their stuff. Of course, bunkbeds would give some better solution to that problem, though still, as Foley says, not enough for giving everybody place to sleep. Bunkbeds... as for whether they would exist in Rohan, I wonder. Perhaps somebody more educated on that matter (of beds :) ) would help us? But my impression was anyway that simple soldiers would be closest to just lying on the floor on something simple (and especially in this half-built place), rather than having "beds" in the sense we understand it nowadays.

Anyway, I guess for the purposes of my posting now, it is sufficient to have the basic idea which we have now... I'll make Hilderinc see the guardroom inside the main building and evaluate it in a very vague manner, but I think we should solve this stuff for later, and the sooner, the better, so I'm also looking forward to other people's comments... (Nog? ...)

Nogrod

11-13-2009, 10:32 AM

Just a quick one right now. Hopefully more a bit later.

Let's remember the place is totally under construction and thence all the spaces could / should be more or less temporary... So how the rooms are spread & divided, who lives where, etc. could be changed later when we come up with a grander-scale plan (with a second storey and such) and time for them to have built them goes by.

So only the fireplaces and outer-walls should be seen as permanent structures, all else could be redistributed, changed, upgraded...

Would that sound okay to you?

Legate of Amon Lanc

11-13-2009, 11:11 AM

Let's remember the place is totally under construction and thence all the spaces could / should be more or less temporary... So how the rooms are spread & divided, who lives where, etc. could be changed later when we come up with a grander-scale plan (with a second storey and such) and time for them to have built them goes by.

Well, for sure. But anyway, my question was aimed to the present, and also we need to take account that the people are somewhere in the present. But for now, it is fine as it is.

And so I have posted. Gwath, I took it that Crabannan entered through the same door as Hilderinc did, i.e. from inside the building (which actually makes a lot of sense when I read your post, as he was inside the hall before he came to the kitchen, so he would obviously take the shortest route). Not sure about Áforglæd in this sense, as perhaps he would have more probably came from the courtyard (which would just mean that maybe you, Lommy, could edit your post to point out that Hilderinc entered through the other door than the soldier before him). Somehow this idea of Hilderinc "exploring" the place in this way occured to me and it seems better in the end to me than if he came through the courtyard (also, this way I made him avoid the commotion in the courtyard, if there was any left).

I guess whoever, Lommy or Gwath, may continue our little kitchen discussion from here... it's pretty open.

And ha, it looks like we have even a description of Áforglæd already! :) He is slowly becoming flesh and blood. I wonder if I could maybe really write some short info-post for him and ask Pio to link it to the character list, possibly as some "partially-common use" character.

Folwren

11-13-2009, 02:06 PM

I'm glad we have some playing going on between the men. This is fun.

Yes, I agree with Nogrod and Legate - all rooms are temporary, but I am forming it as it would be seen now at this moment, not as a finished product yet (except the stables - the stables are shown as a finished product, although I've already stated all the stalls branching off to the left are not built yet).

I posted for Saeryn and Javan. They are still in the stables, but at any time that someone else wants to post them coming out, they're ready. I am now sitting tight until I see at least some posts from one of Nienna, Mnymosyne, Loslote, or Nogrod.

I may use Thornden if the need comes up, but otherwise, Saeryn and Javan are at a halt until other players are ready.

-- Foley

piosenniel

11-14-2009, 04:08 PM

I've linked Nogrod's new map of Mid Emnet and Foley's drawing of the Meadhall and outbuildings to Post #3 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=551132&postcount=3) of this thread.

You can always find a link to all the maps/drawings there are so far by clicking Post #2 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=551131&postcount=2) of this thread and accessing the Location of Meadhall/MAPS section link.

~*~ Pio
:)

Folwren

11-14-2009, 10:40 PM

Thank you, Pio. In time, we will come up with a finished version and the floor plan can be replaced.

-- Foley

Folwren

11-15-2009, 01:59 PM

Oh no. Oh, no! Groin, your posts never cease to surprise and amuse me!!! That is so funny and great!

I am under the distinct impression that he is speaking with Athanar himself. Am I not correct? :eek:

You said Athanar was a rider, but I thought Nogrod said he was on foot. May want to consider re-wording that.

Nogrod

11-15-2009, 03:07 PM

I am under the distinct impression that he is speaking with Athanar himself. Am I not correct? :eek:Absolutely! It must be Athanar he's speaking with... :)

Although that being the case I would like you Groin to make a few minor adjustments to your post...

You post: The man looked at the extended hand as if he had never shook hands before. It was a very reluctant hand shake.
which would be incorrect... lord Athanar would shake a hand firmly and even quite in a tough way. He is a veteran soldier and a commander who doesn't shy away of hand-shakes... on the contrary.

“What do you mean by that?” The man’s voice contained some irritation in it.It would not be irritation, but curiosity. Athanar is no fool and meeting this "everyman" from Scarburg would give him a lot of information so he would be rather more interested in hearing what Erbrand has to say. So no irritation...

And with the same vein: “Then how did you mean it?” The man was becoming obviously vexed.lord Atrhanar would not grow more vexed but more interested...

But otherwise, A nice idea I'll try to answer in a moment...

Nogrod

11-15-2009, 03:49 PM

Groin: let me know if how I portrayed Erbrand is okay as he must have been stunned to have hit lord Athanar himself and talking to him like to any soldier...

Groin Redbeard

11-15-2009, 05:04 PM

Adjustments are made and yes, that was just how Erbrand would react, Nogrod.:D I took the whole peasant meeting lord thing a little too formally I guess. I wrote from the perspective that Athanar as a lord might be reluctant to mingle with the peasants--the lowest class. This will teach me to put words in your character's mouth.:) I'll stop doing such from now on.

I'll get a post up for Erbrand's reaction. He is shocked

Durelin

11-15-2009, 09:08 PM

I'm sorry for not posting in so long. I will try to post tonight. If need be, of course carry Coen along.

Nogrod

11-16-2009, 03:49 PM

I took the whole peasant meeting lord thing a little too formally I guess. I wrote from the perspective that Athanar as a lord might be reluctant to mingle with the peasants--the lowest class. This will teach me to put words in your character's mouth.:) I'll stop doing such from now on.Don't you worry Groin! And actually you're quite right that lord Athanar might not be too happy to be approached by unknown commoners in that friendly fashion - or not realising who he is... But I hope you also see that what Erbrand said was really important to Athanar. It was the first time he heard there had been rows between his men and the "locals" (from his POV) and what Erbrand said about the general feeling at the Mead Hall... That was something he really wanted to hear, every bit of it, whoever was telling him that.

But it looks very good now and the lead you left me just cries out for continuing! It's late, but I'll make a short post at least.

On another issue. I see the fervour of posting is slowly coming down... When would you guys wish to have the banquet to start in RL-terms?

Mnemosyne

11-16-2009, 03:51 PM

That's partially b/c there's a group post in the works...

Nogrod

11-16-2009, 04:28 PM

there's a group post in the works...Go on with it! No hurry!

Groin: I left Erbrand there without any special hook to grab (as I thought people were willing to get forwards) but make him follow lord Athanar once again if you feel like it. I will be able to answer tomorrow if you have something...

Although, Mnemo, should our characters have a word? Athanar has learned of the row between the soldiers and he believes he has learned about Saeryn's pregnancy. And if Wynflaed has learned about Aedre we might make a post between the two before going into the banquet - whenever it is going to take place?

Nogrod

11-17-2009, 03:06 PM

There seems to be a few posts underway behind the scenes so feel free to post anything you can come up with. The banquet will probably not start before the weekend so there's ample time for anyone to go forward with whatever your characters are doing - or to get your character into some meetings with others.

Groin: I think lord Athanar would not have stressed the fact that "there is a new lord in Scarburg" knowing how delicate the situation is... but otherwise it was very good, like him (as far as I know him by far). And there's no need to change that either as I don't think it such a big deal...

I just need to come to grips with him whether that was something he slipped away consciously, whether it was an actual slip, or whether he was just trying to say something and saying things he didn't actually mean. The last option looks the most natural to me right now but let's see... :)

Folwren

11-17-2009, 07:36 PM

Legate of Amon Lanc

11-18-2009, 03:34 PM

I would love to post, but I have nothing to say. :( So...I'll sit tight and wait with great anticipiation! :D

-- Foley

Similar with me. I am actually waiting for Gwath's reaction, if any. But I am indeed awaiting with anticipation for the PM-prepared posts, too :) (But as for the banquet, I think we could basically move to it soon... if there are no more ground-breaking events coming.)

Nogrod

11-18-2009, 04:35 PM

Good to know that even if sad to hear it... :)

Well, here's my idea. We wait for Mnemo, Lottie & Nienna to make their post concerning Aedre, Lilige and Wynflaed but we skip the post concerning Athanar and Wynflaed (whatever they discussed can be hinted at in later post if felt they are needed).

Then I'll try to come up with the opening words of the banquet in let's say 24 hours from now.

If anyone wishes to move oneself or the story towards the beginning of the banquet just feel free to do it. Like moving your character next to someone else, sitting into a same table, have a little chat... whatever.

The banquet should probably take place in the Mead Hall as I think people have been too busy carrying things around not to have time to organise a party-arrangement outside. Or if you wish it otherwise, it's okay.

The first to write about it gets the decision! :D

Gwathagor

11-19-2009, 02:14 AM

Similar with me. I am actually waiting for Gwath's reaction, if any. But I am indeed awaiting with anticipation for the PM-prepared posts, too :) (But as for the banquet, I think we could basically move to it soon... if there are no more ground-breaking events coming.)

I'll be posting as soon as I well can, maybe tomorrow or the day after. Certainly Sunday at the latest.

Nogrod

11-19-2009, 02:41 PM

My post for lord Athanar's speech is getting ready quite soon.

But I will first PM it to the "original Scarburg character" writers to hear their comments on the crowd reactions. This is no discrimination... :)

It is just that I have written some crowd reactions to some parts of lord Athanar's speech (like what he says of Thornden or Saeryn) and I would like to have the writers' feelings on how the "original characters" would react before posting the speech eg. to see they are right from the start.

Which means you guys have about 24 hours still to tie up anything that is unfinished, or to introduce the banquet (especially the new writers might wish to take the option to build their character a bit more by writing of their feelings before the banquet).

My post will start from lord Athanar's speech so it is assuming everyone is inside the hall and the first round of drinks has been served. In the sad occasion no one has introduced the banquet I will add a few lines to the beginning of the post to introduce the situation, but I hope someone else can do it as lord Athanar's speech is already like 3 pages with Word...

Also important: I will add a "save" before my post tomorrow (about 24 hours from now) - which is against the basic principles of the Mead Hall but can be used in dire situations... so if fex. Mnemo, Nienna, Lottie are not able to produce their post before lord Athanar speaks that post can be added there. Or if Gwath is not able to make a post before it but wishes to make it and Legate wishes to answer... we can put them there (I can do it or Pio could do it). Well anything you think should be added before the banquet begins could be added there.

But as I said, you have now 24 hours to do that without any "save-tricksery"... :D

Thinlómien

11-19-2009, 03:52 PM

Legate - I can edit my post if you edit yours: there would be four women in the kitchen (Modtryth, Frodides, Kara and Ginna), not three. :)

I'll post for Modtryth and the two disasters on foot (or on horse, atm) yet today before I go to sleep.

Legate of Amon Lanc

11-19-2009, 04:07 PM

Legate - I can edit my post if you edit yours: there would be four women in the kitchen (Modtryth, Frodides, Kara and Ginna), not three. :)

Done :) (Or at least if I mentioned it only once, I think so...)

Looking forward to any posts coming yet, I would prefer to get somewhat "clean slate" before the banquet starts so that there is not that much confusion in our minds from thinking about our characters at various times, but sure there's time yet. :)

Nogrod

11-19-2009, 06:19 PM

Groin, Legate! That's the way to go!

And especially Groin, thanks for setting up the banquet! That was very good indeed!

So just follow the example of these two and go posting everyone!

There is still time. Lord Athanar's speech is on an approval round and will be posted in 20 hours... about...

And you Mnemo, Lottie, Nienna, just make a lead-out in your post stating your characters heard the banquet was beginning - and you can easily post it after those people who have posted already... We're not too picky on time-frames around here, as long as one doesn't start posting for things a day before from where we are as present, without a good excuse... :)

Groin Redbeard

11-19-2009, 06:26 PM

Groin, Legate! That's the way to go!

And especially Groin, thanks for setting up the banquet! That was very good indeed! Whoohoo! Thanks for your approval, Nogrod. I was just about to ask you, in the discussion thread, if what I wrote was conflicting with any of your plans. Glad to see that it isn't.:D

I just posted something for Erbrand running into Hildernic.

Legate of Amon Lanc

11-19-2009, 07:08 PM

I just posted something for Erbrand running into Hildernic.

Okay, this day was a busy socialising time for Hilderinc :) But nice. Hilderinc now "recognised" Erbrand as the other brawler, but I made him walk further - there is really no reason for him to start a dialogue at this point, unless Erbrand started it himself (but perhaps we can save it for later in the evening, unless you desperately want to engage Hilderinc now, Groin). Anyway, no more posting from me today - I am going to sleep! (But it is really nice to have some movement here!! :) Who cares about getting up...)

Nogrod

11-19-2009, 07:32 PM

Who cares about getting up...)Heh... I do... once again up too late by the computer... Sheesh... five hours once again...

But keep up the good work!

Legate of Amon Lanc

11-20-2009, 06:58 AM

Heh... I do... once again up too late by the computer... Sheesh... five hours once again...

Well, even with this, I managed to keep it to seven. But I think it says something about the quality of the thread that one considers it worth sacrificing some time!

Folwren

11-20-2009, 09:25 AM

Everyone was very, very busy here, I see. I was very, very busy elsewhere. :eek: Okay...Nogrod, I'll get back to your PM before the 24 hours mentioned in your above post has expired, so that you can hopefully still post in the time that you promised.

Everyone else, I am so excited to see posts on the game thread....I can't wait to read them. Now, though, I can not. I'm on the run again!

-- Foley

Nogrod

11-20-2009, 05:11 PM

The SAVE... (a user's manual... :))

This is most familiar thing with many of you, but not probably with all of you, so let two things be said.

Those posts that will deal with things between the last posts in the thread and lord Athanar's speech will be copy-pasted into the save. You can do it by sending your post here in the discussion thread or PM'ing it to me. Then I will post it into the save -post.

We don't actually use "saves" in the Mead Hall - like people do in achievement-oriented & limited RPG's. So this is one of the few exceptions (there has been a few before I think during the years) and follows from our situation.

Nogrod

11-20-2009, 05:14 PM

So the banquet has been opened by lord Athanar's speech.

It turned out much longer I wished for, but there were so many things he had to say...

Thanks to your comments, suggestions and addings!

Up to you now!

Mnemosyne

11-20-2009, 05:42 PM

The post looks good...

Unfortunately Aedre herself decided not to come to the banquet (Wynflaed gave her the option of being able to skip out if she wanted, and Nienna took it).

So that means some rather evil editing on your part, I'm afraid.

The collab post is almost almost almost ready.

Folwren

11-20-2009, 05:51 PM

Unfortunately Aedre herself decided not to come to the banquet (Wynflaed gave her the option of being able to skip out if she wanted, and Nienna took it).

So that means some rather evil editing on your part, I'm afraid.

Haha...whoops!

The collab post is almost almost almost ready.

Yay! I'm dying to see it! (Not quite literally, but almost.)

-- Foley

Nogrod

11-20-2009, 07:59 PM

Oh my! :eek:

Unfortunately Aedre herself decided not to come to the banquet (Wynflaed gave her the option of being able to skip out if she wanted, and Nienna took it).

So that means some rather evil editing on your part, I'm afraid.
Editing Aedre out from the Speech-post as such (meaning: not attending) is easy and no big task. And I will do it immediately after this.

But when you say I have some "evil editing" to do, I'm afraid you mean something more... and only cross my fingers in hope it is not what I'm afraid of.

So have you been writing with the idea that Athanar doesn't even know what had happened? I thought we had the version where Wynflaed would pass a word on that from the door or they could exchange a few words before the banquet... I mean that was what we were talking about? :confused:

*really hopes is wrong with this speculation*

If Athanar doesn't know the situation at all, I will indeed need some "evil editing" to do as I need to basically rewrite the whole post. And that changes the whole situation as the reactions of the people would be so much different towards a totally different person...

The whole heatedness and firmness of his speech is coming from his rage on what had happened to his daughter... being there a few hours and his daughter gets beaten up by some local ruffians! Even if it doesn't show so openly (he is no beginner in leading people while in distress himself), he is furious while he makes the speech! He just holds himself back with an effort and tries be decent as he has a mission from the king... Lord Athanar would not have given that kind of speech if he felt his family and himself were secure. He would have been very different indeed, more polite, honey-tongued, the whole approach... (the basic decisions would have been the same though, but the way he makes them would have changed a lot)

Well, I'm not going to re-write the whole post now as I'm not sure which one you mean and I need to go to sleep. And I do hope you were only meaning the first one eg. Aedre just not being present - or that it could be changed with a sentence or two if it was not. Otheriwise it is evil indeed...

What say you?

The collab post is almost almost almost ready.
Looking forwards to it! Just send it here in the discussion thread and I (or Pio) will then put it into the "save".

Nogrod

11-20-2009, 08:12 PM

I did those "non-evil" changes... and it actually looks much better now! The poignancy of lord Athanar's words is just a bit sharper when Aedre is not present... :p

Mnemosyne

11-20-2009, 08:17 PM

No, don't worry, Wynflaed told him about it. I just meant that you had integrated Aedre in so skillfully, I thought she was going to be tough to remove.

Nogrod

11-20-2009, 08:35 PM

No, don't worry, Wynflaed told him about it. I just meant that you had integrated Aedre in so skillfully, I thought she was going to be tough to remove.Pheww... :rolleyes:

Trust me, it was not a big deal to write her out from there... it took like five minutes... and as I said, I think it turned out even better this way.

I was afraid you three had made a colossal post where you all discussed why Aedre should not be shown to Athanar in the first place, or speculated why he should not know of the incident... All that time and effort of three people would naturally override the toils of one, so I was looking at the worst scenario... :eek:

But then again, now all you others have gotten a glimpse into lord Athanar's soul as otherwise I would not have told you what went on in his mind when he made the speech... :)

Nogrod

11-21-2009, 11:25 AM

Mnemo's, Nienna's & Lottie's post is now readable in the save block just before lord Athanar's speech.

Nice post!

Mnemosyne

11-21-2009, 11:42 AM

Thanks for getting that in there and breaking the "no save" rule, man.

Legate of Amon Lanc

11-21-2009, 11:54 AM

Lovely post. :) Wynflaed is being pretty reasonable, although I am still looking forward to see how the situation will be dealt with.

I think I might post Hilderinc's thoughts about the banquet, though I don't want to be the first one in the line :) But I might do that soon, as soon as I get the right mood for it...

Nogrod

11-21-2009, 07:22 PM

I think I might post Hilderinc's thoughts about the banquet, though I don't want to be the first one in the line :)Don't shy away, anyone!

I will probably write something concerning the "craftsmen's table" on Sunday as Cnebba will definitively not be able to restrain himself when lord Athanar speaks of the need to behave with Aedre... :p

Also I'm waiting for a confirmation from Form as he sent me earlier a detailed analysis of how Náin would react and it's all up to whether he makes a post of it himself or whether I embed some of those reactions into my post as I have them with me.

So the game is open. Pick your table and let it go!

There is no need to wait for Saeryn or Thornden to speak first! On the contrary, it would be good to have a few posts in before Foley writes what they say publicly. Also you Foley might write a post first on what Saeryn / Thornden think - or what they talk to each other - and to whomever is sitting at their table *coughDegascough* before going on with the speech(es)?

So reactions during lord Athanar's speech, discussions afterwards... there should be a lot to say for everyone.

Nogrod

11-22-2009, 08:38 AM

Foley & Nienna!

Reading back things to check a few details I got an interesting idea you might wish to consider.

So Javan went to find comfort from his horse - and Aedre is willing... well to do about the same thing. So if Javan would skip the meeting at the Hall - not willing to show his face there - he might actually end up in the stables again. And thus while everyone else is in the Hall the two would meet in the stables, also learning they both find comfort from their horses.

An interesting situation indeed and making their relationship a bit more complicated still! :smokin:

If you decide to go for that I can edit my post where lord Athanar glances at Javan while speaking.

Just an idea...

Folwren

11-22-2009, 09:33 AM

Ah...that sounds dangerous to me. I don't know what Aedre would do, but what Javan ended up doing would depend on what Aedre did. So...I don't know.

Realistically, I think he would go to the banquet....unless he and Saeryn went out to find lord Athanar and he wasn't available before the banquet and Javan asked if it would be alright if he didn't go since he hadn't had a chance to own up to anything yet. We can work it.

What do you think Nienna?

I hope to post sometime for Thordnen or Saeryn. Not the speeches yet or anything, but reactions and so forth. But don't wait up for me at all. I may be going to see some play this afternoon, so I might not post at all today. :(

-- Foley

Nogrod

11-22-2009, 09:47 AM

I don't know what Aedre would doI think it is said quite clearly in their post that she plans on slipping to the stables...

Ah...that sounds dangerous to me.
Heh, that's exactly the idea... :rolleyes:

But if you think it would be more like Javan to go to the banquet, then of course he should attend. Up to you anyway as I said it was just a suggestion to make this more "dangerous". :cool:

Nienna

11-22-2009, 12:56 PM

I was planning Ædre to want to slip to the stable but she might fall asleep. I'm thinking another interaction between the two right now might be a little soon. It is an interesting idea though Nog.

Folwren

11-22-2009, 06:47 PM

Yeah, I tend to agree. Too soon. Plus, I think Javan will go to the banquet.

Good thought, though. We'll do it later. :D

-- Folwren

Legate of Amon Lanc

11-23-2009, 08:32 AM

Very nice posts this far in reaction to the speech :) I have a post for Hilderinc underway, hope to post it today or in the worst case tomorrow.

Feanor of the Peredhil

11-23-2009, 09:38 AM

Folwren

11-23-2009, 10:01 AM

So I had a Scarburg dream last night.

Foley, I dreamed that your Saeryn-speech post revealed all of the super-secret stuff we've been discussing, and I was like, "No, edit, edit! It was supposed to be a surprise!"

SO funny! No worries, it believe it's still a secret from Saeryn herself. Apparently lots of things are being kept secret from Saeryn...like the condition of her husband. :mad:

Are you going to post for Degas soon?

-- Foley

Feanor of the Peredhil

11-23-2009, 03:57 PM

I can. I have a lot of work due soon, so obviously my participation will improve. :cool: I'll post tonight.

Legate of Amon Lanc

11-24-2009, 10:34 AM

So I have posted at last. It's nothing very special in the end, but at least we have also the evaluation of Athanar's speech from a little bit different point of view :) Looking forward to what's coming next! :cool:

Legate of Amon Lanc

11-24-2009, 01:23 PM

Looking forward to what's coming next! :cool:

After seeing Groin's post: I shouldn't have maybe said that ;) :D

Feanor of the Peredhil

11-24-2009, 01:23 PM

So how 'bout that 'tonight'? I got distracted and forgot until right this second... Blah. Um... I'll post soon. Yeah...

Nogrod

11-24-2009, 04:24 PM

Whoa Groin! :D

Has Lithor been secretly drinking before the banquet?

I went through a few different scenarios in my mind on what Lithor was actually trying to achieve and found no credible ones for a veteran soldier... except stating out aloud a point of resistance.

The local soldiers / Thornden need to do a lot to appease lord Athanar to show leniency after all Lithor said / how he said it.

But especially, if there is a snare of any kind that actually works on someone, it will probably be court marshall for Lithor. After his own 12-year old daughter was beaten by the local "mob", lord Athanar is not in a mood to be easy or understanding with the locals any more if there is such a foolery... From his POV he was already too soft in letting the fate of his daughter to go unpunished - and he did that to show he can give in so that the locals would also give in, in turn. If lenience doesn't work, then it must be the tough way, and in an instant. Any hesitation by the leader, all time to chew and to speculate by the subjects, diminishes the authority. Any military leader knows that.

Any trap working on someone would cause a full fight - or at least the beginnings of it. And the original MH soldiers will be 1 against 2 at the best - and having like a dozen of king Eomer's personal guards at place they can't actually claim any advance in quality either... lord Athanar's and lord Eodwine's "personal guards" should be about even in quality & quantity, but king Eomer's men should be the best there are in the whole of Rohan...

Whatever... lord Athanar will not tolerate being called "quests" in the Mead Hall he has been given to rule by king's decree... so he will intervene indeed, in a way or another. *needs to think*

ADD: Sorry, I totally forgot to say this trying to just make it fast to get into answering... fun post Groin! Makes this more interesting once again!