Scarburg Meadhall Discussion Thread [Archive] - Page 3

Nogrod

07-13-2008, 06:57 AM

By the way, the vote so far:

Æthelward - 1
Lithor - 1
Wilcred - 1
Osmund - 2
Alfhere
Elfric - 2
Alfred
RedwaldWas this ever decided on - except that Lithor was taken into use?

I mean Stigend has with him: Æthelstan, guard5, guard6 (yeah, I found the post and it was as I was afraid it was, no PC's). So do I get to decide it or does lmp or anyone else have strong feelings about it? I'd say Redwald and Wilcred - but clearly Osmund and Elfric have two votes... I I'd vote for Wilcred it would bring him to two votes as well... if I'd just get someone to vote for Redwald wih me then it would be a tie of four... (playing too much werewolf) :)

I'll write them as someones and can change the names afterwards...

Another thing. Now if Stigend and his gang has been on the swamp, how come they have not seen Dan, Scyld and Oeric - or heard Dan's calls for help? Shall we assume the swamps are so big that they don't have an eyecontact? Or am I free to come up with added geography offering better chances for getting timber from a bit farther away? I guess that would be the better option.

And if you guys have nothing against it the "wood-gang" might spot you in the late afternoon if you are stil there...

littlemanpoet

07-13-2008, 07:08 AM

The hunting party when east towards the river Entwash. Unfortunately I forgot all about that other strip of the scar heading south. :( I would then think that the group would head south along the scar to find a better place for them to turn east. However, if you it would be OK with you, I can have the group enter through a narrow pass in the scar (that they found on their way south) not too far from the camp. This might save time for further complications for people wanting to head east. Does that sound alright with you LMP, or should I just say that they came back the way that they went, from the south
Oog. Now I'm confused. The map has the scar in a straight east to west line just north of Scarburg. I had thought that the hunting party had crossed the scar and went hunting in this prairie just north of the scar. Was that wrong? It would take miles of going out of the way to go east or west to get around the scar to hunt in that northern prairie. To the south are land holdings; to hunt there would be to hunt on land owned by others, which would not be appreciated by them. So those are the facts as best I understand them. Do with your posts whatever works best with the facts of the situation, Groin.

If you feel that strongly about it, Noggie, name them what you want; after all, they've been handed to you to play with. Give them personalities as much as you wish. I'm really rather happy with what Groin has done with Lithor.

Another thing. Now if Stigend and his gang has been on the swamp, how come they have not seen Dan, Scyld and Oeric - or heard Dan's calls for help? Shall we assume the swamps are so big that they don't have an eyecontact? Or am I free to come up with added geography offering better chances for getting timber from a bit farther away? I guess that would be the better option.My sense of things is that Dan went off east and Stigend and company went off west. That puts them on opposite sides of Scarburg. And add on top of that, that it will take quite a walk westward (a few hundred yards at least) to find enough of the kind of timber needed.

Nogrod

07-13-2008, 07:15 AM

If you feel that strongly about it, Noggie, name them what you want; after all, they've been handed to you to play with.Well, I'm not feeling strong about it but was merely joking about the vote-tallies... Okay. I'll see what to do with them.

My sense of things is that Dan went off east and Stigend and company went off west. That puts them on opposite sides of Scarburg. And add on top of that, that it will take quite a walk westward (a few hundred yards at least) to find enough of the kind of timber needed.That's perfectly fine with me.

Nogrod

07-13-2008, 09:25 AM

Okay. I have my first post on Stigend & fellows searching for wood up and posted.

It would have been optimistic to think I could tell such a short story in one post after all... :)

I'm doing my best to make the rest of it today as well.

Groin Redbeard

07-13-2008, 10:00 AM

Oog. Now I'm confused. The map has the scar in a straight east to west line just north of Scarburg. I had thought that the hunting party had crossed the scar and went hunting in this prairie just north of the scar. Was that wrong? It would take miles of going out of the way to go east or west to get around the scar to hunt in that northern prairie. To the south are land holdings; to hunt there would be to hunt on land owned by others, which would not be appreciated by them. So those are the facts as best I understand them. Do with your posts whatever works best with the facts of the situation, Groin.

Alright, I think I'm fine with leaving my post as it is. The hunting party wanted to go east and hunt somewhere near, but not at, the Entwash so they could easily get around the scar. Sorry for all the confusion. :)

Thanks for your approval of Lithor, LMP.

Eönwë

07-13-2008, 12:35 PM

Ok, Noggie :

++Redwald

or with the æ thing if you want, but that just makes it harder.

Nogrod

07-13-2008, 06:16 PM

If you wish to move forwards feel free to do it. I can always add my last things concerning the wood-party to my post there. And I will try to do it tomorrow. Now I think I need some sleep.

littlemanpoet

07-13-2008, 08:07 PM

Noggie has settled the names of the guards for us. Great job working up the personalities a bit! :)

I'll post starting the new Day some time tomorrow evening, so if you want to have something same-Day in yet, please post before then. That gives you approximately 20 hours.

Gwathagor

07-13-2008, 11:31 PM

I took the liberty of having a small fire of some kind appear on the Scar briefly, presumably created by one of the peasants Erbrand saw earlier or maybe even Oeric, though he's probably too smart to do something like that. Hope it's alright.

EDIT: 1000 posts!

Nogrod

07-14-2008, 08:52 AM

Stigend & the gang is back - and it's early evening there in the end of the post. So from my part you can jump forwards.

Noggie has settled the names of the guards for us.Yep. I took one of your favourites and one of mine... :)

Nogrod

07-14-2008, 08:57 AM

I see you Gwath changed the placing of your post.

A good idea looking at the "reader experience"!

Nicely thought!

littlemanpoet

07-14-2008, 10:16 AM

Great characterizations, Nogrod. Believe it or not, Æthelstan is the creation of one of the former writers of EOH, and at that time had been given status as 3rd in command after Thornden and Eodwine. But having nobody to write him for over a year, that got lost or ignored. It needn't have come into your posts at all, but I like the characterization of someone not being able to apologize with words but by a gift. Very apt, that. There's still time for anyone who wishes to get in a last post before I change the Day.

Groin Redbeard

07-14-2008, 12:57 PM

Great job on your post, Nogrod. I enjoyed reading about the new characters. :)

When you mentioned fire, Gwathagor, I thought you meant a FIRE not a flickering flame that soon snuffs out! :D Anyway, I enjoyed reading your post. I guess Crabbannan isn't all that bad when it comes down to it.;)

Nogrod

07-14-2008, 02:50 PM

Believe it or not, Æthelstan is the creation of one of the former writers of EOH, and at that time had been given status as 3rd in command after Thornden and Eodwine. But having nobody to write him for over a year, that got lost or ignored.Before I started writing I went back the threads to find any information I needed and found your earlier post where it was said that Aethelstan was written by someone, already forgotten by whom, at some earlier days. I tried to do name-searches with every possible variation of the name from both the EMH and the EMH discussion thread but found no hits. So I just took the lead which said he is 21 years old and thought about a wannabe writer who wished to have a young and gallant soldier of that age but didn't have the stamina to write more than a couple of posts... and that's what became of it. :) :rolleyes:

Good to see it fit. :cool:

Folwren

07-14-2008, 06:21 PM

Okay...I posted too late. Gwath, could you put this post at the end of your post #170?

Anyone who knows Garstan's character better, tell me if I overdid him and what he said.

-- Foley

Folwren's Post

Garstan fixed his attention on the boys once Crabbanan had excused himself and backed out of the issue. While Crabannan worked behind them, going hard at it with hammer and stake, Garstan demanded an explanation.

“What happened here?” he asked.

“Well, he said-” both Javan and Cnebba started at once with raised voices, but a single, stern glance from Garstan shut them both up. There was a short silence as the two boys looked at each other, both suddenly unwilling to begin. Garmund finally did.

“Javan wanted to put up the canvas even after you had told us not to until you got back.”

“I wasn’t intending to disobey, though,” Javan interjected. “They’re lying if they say that. I just wanted to get the canvas ready to put up.”

“Then why was it almost coming to blows again?”

“He called me a baby,” Cnebba accused, pointing his finger.

“You were being rude and a baby,” Javan replied, slapping Cnebba’s hand away.

“That’s enough,” Garstan said. Once more his voice had enough warning to it that all three of the boys were still and silent. “I am going to discuss this with your brother, Javan. And you two,” he said, looking at Cnebba and Garmund. He read more in their looks than just innocent victims of Javan’s words. “Your behavior today towards Javan has been poor as well. This isn’t the end of it. But we have work to do. We’ve hardly gotten anything done here, although we’ve been here all morning. If you three don’t start putting an effort into getting these tents up, I’m going to take discipline into my own hands. Now get to it. You can have some water, first.”

Javan looked down and moved forward towards the buckets of water. Garmund and Cnebba went, too, and Javan stopped to allow them to go first – hardly out of a wish to be gentlemanly. When they had all gotten a drink, they turned back again and received orders on what to do next.

Folwren

07-14-2008, 06:54 PM

Nogrod, can you put this at the beginning of your post 172?

Thanks!

-- Foley

Folwren's Post

Saeryn woke again finally in the late afternoon. She felt calmer and collected, strong and able to rise. She lifted her head and looked about. The tent was empty, the flap fastened shut. She gently lifted the light cover off of herself and strained to see her wounded side. The dressing and wrap was fresh and it felt cool and soothing.

She drew a deep breath and then let it out slowly again as she sat up. With only a little difficulty, she rose and dressed herself and then headed out of the tent.

She wanted to see the new holding before darkness fell and she wanted to do it without being hindered. Everyone was at work and no one noticed as she exited the tent. She would explore the place quietly and unobtrusively as possible and then seek the company of the ladies.

Soon, she told herself, she would be one of the inhabitants again. Then no one would ask questions, or wonder about her. This, at least, was her hope. Her past was behind her, and with no one left to come stir it up and to find her, she thought she could be happy and content to stay.

Nogrod

07-14-2008, 07:01 PM

Nogrod, can you put this at the beginning of your post 172?Done.

A nice one as well...

littlemanpoet

07-14-2008, 07:21 PM

Watch out, Nogrod, you have the makings of a 2nd personal character wanthing you to write him. Heck, it's already happened. Before long you're going to be writing from Wilcred's perspective; just wait and see. ;) That's the way it goes; ask Harreld. :)

There is one more piece of story that must be told before this Day ends. Dan must bring "Nydfara" to Eodwine. I can think of 2 ways to handle that. Either we can have one or both of Firefoot and Eonwe post, followed by one of mine featuring Eodwine, OR the three of us could do a PM-built post allowing for dialogue, and it can be included in Eodwine's thoughts as he thinks back from the new Day to "a month ago". Let me know which way you want to go with this.

At any rate, we can start the new Day now, and either add this post in to the appropriate spot, or have it be a recollection.

Formendacil

07-14-2008, 08:26 PM

Yeah... kill me in Werewolf and all of a sudden I have too much time on my hands. I don't know if I'll be around permanently, but I think there's enough summer left that I can commit to at least one Day.

Since I haven't posted since the Mead Hall, here's a copy-and-edit of Náin's CV:

NAME: Náin son of Narin son of Nori

AGE: 53

RACE: Dwarf, of the House of Longbeards

GENDER: Male: none of this is-a-female-under-the-beard nonsense here.

WEAPONS: A long, bearded battle-axe. Several hammers and chisels as well, if one wants to count those.

APPEARANCE: Four feet, six inches tall, muscular, possessing a full, red beard of about two feet in length. Rather thin-faced as Dwarves go, typically cheerful in appearance.

PERSONALITY/STRENGTHS/WEAKNESSES: Náin is a people person: he likes being around people, and being liked by people- except when he’s working, when he’d generally rather be alone. Generally cheerful and optimistic, he can be off-putting with a rather grave attitude normally. He has a sense of humour, but it tends to be of the wrier, dry variety. A sculptor by trade, he’s also got basic skills in masonry and smithying. Though not a warrior professionally, he is a sound fighter with his bearded battle-axe. Not particularly comfortable around women, he can be easily flustered by prolonged exposure to them. He’s also got a bit of a prejudice against Elves, as is typical for Dwarves.

HISTORY: The grandson of Nori, companion of Thorin Oakenshield, Náin was born in Erebor, and there lived until the present time. Though young- for a Dwarf- he displayed more than average skill in sculpture, and was thus chosen to go to Edoras in gratitude to King Éomer’s generosity to Gimli’s colonization of the Glittering Caves. During the War of the Ring, Náin fought in the Battle of Erebor, and certainly did his part fighting off orks and Easterlings. It was at this time that he acquired most of his warrior’s skills. As the grandson of Nori, Náin is on the wealthier side for a Dwarf, although an uncle older than his father inherited most of their portion of the family gold. As a result, he has never known true hunger or poverty save what he experienced during the Siege of Erebor.

AND SINCE THE ABOVE: Náin assisted a bit with the repairs and expansion to the Mead Hall, until Eodwine moved out and the project lost its royal priority. King Éomer allowed him to join the other Dwarves at Helm's Deep. Now he comes to Scarburg as a Master Mason and Stonecutter, as well as the token Dwarf.

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LINKED ~*~ Pio

Nogrod

07-14-2008, 08:57 PM

Náin assisted a bit with the repairs and expansion to the Mead Hall, until Eodwine moved out and the project lost its royal priority. King Éomer allowed him to join the other Dwarves at Helm's Deep. Now he comes to Scarburg as a Master Mason and Stonecutter, as well as the token Dwarf.As lord Eodwine is planning to build his new Mead Hall from stone... A thing his carpenter Stigend has reacted with fear and trembling (with this lot and our skills?) you're just more than welcome Form... ehe... Náin...!

Good to see you back!

Feanor of the Peredhil

07-14-2008, 09:08 PM

Firefoot

07-14-2008, 11:00 PM

There is one more piece of story that must be told before this Day ends. Dan must bring "Nydfara" to Eodwine. I can think of 2 ways to handle that. Either we can have one or both of Firefoot and Eonwe post, followed by one of mine featuring Eodwine, OR the three of us could do a PM-built post allowing for dialogue, and it can be included in Eodwine's thoughts as he thinks back from the new Day to "a month ago". Let me know which way you want to go with this.
I'd prefer to work a 3-way joint post.

Thinlómien

07-15-2008, 06:26 AM

Nogrod

07-15-2008, 06:50 AM

And what shall we do, Foley & Nog? I think we never decided whether our characters sadly missed the chance to talk (that could be easily explained) or whether we want to write a PM post now. Opinions?
I don't think we should build a post for it as it has taken place such a long time ago, but we should probably PM each other a few times about what happened in that discussion so that we might mention the discussion in some of our posts if we happen to feel like it... :)

Folwren

07-15-2008, 11:28 AM

Well, if Nogrod would rather not, then I won't complain. It could be interesting, even if we have to insert it in someone else's post, like I did with my two above. Or we could just do what Nogrod just suggested, figure out what was said by PM and use it ourselves.

I'd be pretty much happy either way. I'd LIKE to do it, but I'd survive if we didn't.

Nogrod

07-15-2008, 01:33 PM

I quess the most important thing is how what had happened in that discussion has unfolded... There was a situation having a lots of tension in it and now time has passed - so what was the conclusion of the discussions and how has it worked up to this point we're posting now? We should be clear of that before posting for any of our characters getting involved with the others...

Lommy is here at my place now (well, at the exact moment she's outside but she agreed with this) and we could come up with our suggestions - and you Foley should let us know what you think (by PM I think as not to burden the others anymore with this).

Then after we have a shared understanding about both A) what happened in that discussion and B) how have things unfolded after that up to this Day, we can all post in accordance and continue the interplay...

That sounds okay?

PS. If you really want to do it - let's go then! No problem... We're here together - Lommy and I - for this day and tomorrow. Then we'll be off the net for as couple of days... Just send us the times you're going to be online and we'll see whether it fits... I mean after all constructing posts together is always a great fun!

littlemanpoet

07-16-2008, 09:45 AM

Lommy is here at my place now (well, at the exact moment she's outside but she agreed with this) and we could come up with our suggestions - and you Foley should let us know what you think (by PM I think as not to burden the others anymore with this). I personally think it might be just as entertaining, not to mention helpful to others, to see such a discussion unfold on the discussion thread. This is likely to be NOT the last time this kind of thing is needed considering time jumps. But if you're going to do a PM built post, then obviously this does not obtain.

Folwren

07-16-2008, 11:22 AM

Entertaining? Ha. Perhaps so! Anyway, I PMed Noggy and Lommy already and hopefully they'll write back sometime today...before they take off for the middle of nowhere with no internet access. We'll see what we come up with.

-Foley

Nogrod

07-16-2008, 02:41 PM

I personally think it might be just as entertaining, not to mention helpful to others, to see such a discussion unfold on the discussion thread.By all means...

So Foley, the obvious point of departure would be that both Modtryth and Stigend, as well as Garstan, would feel a little shamed about their boys and would admit the two are to be blamed. But only partly I suppose.

It's also pretty clear they would punish Garmund and Cnebba in some way they see fit.

But how to make things better then?

One possibility would be that if there is a skill Javan has and the two don't, the parents could ask for lord Eodwine to lend them his authority and to demand the boys to acquire that skill, learning it from Javan. That would kind of require Javan to take responsibility and give him an opportunity to earn respect from the two.

That's what we came by after a little talk. So what say you Foley?

PS. Another question then would be how all that would have then turned out... :) But let's decide on this first.

Thinlómien

07-16-2008, 02:50 PM

Nogrod summed up our (his and mine) discussion about the subject quite well.

One possibility would be that if there is a skill Javan has and the two don't, the parents could ask for lord Eodwine to lend them his authority and to demand the boys to acquire that skill, learning it from Javan. That would kind of require Javan to take responsibility and give him an opportunity to earn respect from the two.There's just one problem in this suggestion - and I was aware of it when I first came up with this idea - but is there really anything Javan knows and Cnebba and Garmund don't, or where he would be far superior? I cannot think of anything right now, unless Javan has had some training in fighting skills. (But in that case I can see Modtryth objecting to the idea. ;)) But maybe you Folwren have some idea? I'm all ears...

Thinlómien

07-16-2008, 04:12 PM

Hey what about archery? Would Javan know that? Nog pointed out that Javan wouldn't probably know sword-fighting if he almost loses a fist-fight to Cnebba and Garmund (for you learn all sorts of brawling if you want to learn to use a sword) and I must agree. Besides, this would be something Modtryth wouldn't necessarily object to. And Nog wants to add that learning this kinfd of skill would positively unite the boys.

What does it sound like, Foley? Do you have a better idea?

Folwren

07-16-2008, 05:13 PM

I wouldn't say that Javan almost lost to Garmund and Cnebba! Garmund's bigger than he is, to begin with, and they were two against one anyway.

Javan may know archery. I've never incorporated that, though. He is the son of a land holder and his father farms. However, at that time, his father probably also knew how to fight, so Javan may have learned something. Archery (on horse back particularly, which the Eorlings knew) is fastinating to me and I would love it. Not to mention, if someone were to learn, the earlier they learned the better. On the other hand, would Garstan and Stigend (and Eodwine, too, for that matter) trust Javan with the two younger boys with bows and arrows?

How long term do they want to do this? We can say that Javan knows the basics of raising a garden...or any crop. To give fair warning, since I personally dislike gardening with something of a passion, Javan probably won't like it, either. *little whistling face, with his eyes rolling up towards the sky*

On how it would all turn out... I think it would be most interesting if they didn't get along together very well at first and then, eventually, got to like each others companies and became very close...but almost in a different way than Garmund and Cnebba became close. Maybe more like and older brother type relationship? I kind of have an idea of one scenerio that could bring that about, but I'll have to think more on it before submitting it.

Okay, now about Thornden during the talk...he'd too be greatly ashamed about Javan's behavior, likely more so than the parents, and would immediately express that Javan behaved badly, even though he was provoked.

Now...Nogrod...you've actually had kids...this is something of a tough situation for me, who can only speculate on what it's like to have kids. Who's fault was it, really? The first time (the fist fight), I think Javan really didn't have a whole lot of choices. The second time (the disagreement over the tents and the canopy, etc.), well...I don't know. Thoughts? Anyone - not just Noggy?

I've got to run. May be back later this evening, I don't know.

-- Foley

littlemanpoet

07-16-2008, 07:25 PM

Eodwine did promise to play the role of father to Javan, and he may remember this to his own advantage at this time. Just something to consider.

Folwren

07-16-2008, 08:12 PM

Definitely! How could he be worked in?

Gwathagor

07-16-2008, 10:55 PM

August 9th??? Fantastic.....now I have to figure out what's happened to Crabannan for a whole MONTH. I'm open to suggestions.

Nogrod

07-17-2008, 02:17 AM

Definitely! How could he be worked in?I guess it would be natural that either Thornden or then one of the parents would have mentioned their idea to lord Eodwine. In a sense that archery-training stuff might even be a thing they actually would need their lord's consent. And then he could act on it making himself involved.

I agree with Foley about the general way things should evolve - from hardships to something like "brotherhood". Slowly and not too smoothly but towards the good solution.

Lhunardawen

07-17-2008, 05:27 AM

Why do I have to live in a strange country where school years start in June while the rest of the world is enjoying the holidays? I hate to be missing all this, but as you've probably all noticed I'm barely even around anymore. There's just too much to do and too little time for non-acad things. I'm sorry I have to disappear on all of you, but being a graduating college student is not easy. :(

Folwren

07-17-2008, 05:51 PM

I guess it would be natural that either Thornden or then one of the parents would have mentioned their idea to lord Eodwine. In a sense that archery-training stuff might even be a thing they actually would need their lord's consent. And then he could act on it making himself involved.

K. Either that or Thornden can say, "Hey, Eodwine said he was taking the roll as father for Javan, he should be in on this, too."

I agree with Foley about the general way things should evolve - from hardships to something like "brotherhood". Slowly and not too smoothly but towards the good solution.

So, that being said, how far along are they on this August 9th?

littlemanpoet

07-18-2008, 09:32 AM

August 9th??? Fantastic.....now I have to figure out what's happened to Crabannan for a whole MONTH. I'm open to suggestions.

Consider all the different characters with whom he might interact. With whom is he most likely to get a long well? With whom is he most likely to fight? Which females is he most likely to be interested in? Which females are most likely to be interested in him (or would none be)? What kind of work would he be most apt to be asked to do? Which work leader is he most likely to join? Or would he spend time doing all kinds of things?

Based on all of these questions, take a look at the list of characters and plot out from day to day a general sense of what he has done.

Or, have him have behaved like someone who is not trying to draw attention to himself, and let nothing special have happened. Your choice, although the latter seems highly unlikely. ;)

Regarding Javan and others, Eodwine will take a strong interest the moment he learns that the boy has been in a fight. He'll want to know the facts of the matter. And then he will tell Javan in the hearing of all those who have a piece in the matter, "Never start a fight; but if someone else starts to fight you, make sure you finish it. This is what you did, Javan, and you never held back from the truth. I commend you. If you wish to teach these boys bowcraft, you have me permission."

Groin Redbeard

07-18-2008, 11:33 AM

Sorry for being so inactive, I'll get a post in sometime today or tomorrow. It'll include Erbrand's thoughts about everyone. :)

Nogrod

07-19-2008, 11:26 AM

Regarding Javan and others, Eodwine will take a strong interest the moment he learns that the boy has been in a fight. He'll want to know the facts of the matter. And then he will tell Javan in the hearing of all those who have a piece in the matter, "Never start a fight; but if someone else starts to fight you, make sure you finish it. This is what you did, Javan, and you never held back from the truth. I commend you. If you wish to teach these boys bowcraft, you have me permission."
So much is bubbling under... Great! :)

I wouldn't like to go back there and add any posts for late night before the turn even if it looks like there would be a lot to tell, but I will accept it if it's the majority / lmp ruling.

But I'd suggest we'd finish a deal here about what happened and what followed - and all of us involved would refer to that story in our own posts like adding a point someone who has posted earlier hasn't mentioned / add a new angle to one. So the first to refer to these things shouldn't empty the field with one post but the details would come forwards piecemeal. What do you think?

We (meaning Lommy & myself) can handle Garstan and Garmund as we've used to using them while Celuien has been away.

It would be nice to try this kind of thing where a host of people share something like a story about what has happened and then they all give it their own voice and view afterwards...

I agree with Foley about the general way things should evolve - from hardships to something like "brotherhood". Slowly and not too smoothly but towards the good solution.
So, that being said, how far along are they on this August 9th?It's a month later, right? Then they should not be fighting any more. It's hard to see that a month's being together wouldn't help but it somehow magically would then change after a month and two days... (or whatever). So I'd say it's already now going pretty nicely - but the boys could all recall the first days / weeks and come up with nasty & funny stories about what had happened back then in our posts. We could then toy around with different stories we could bring forwards concerning that time and how those hurdles were overcome?

A general suggestion (so this is where we are now?): The parents & Thornden came up with the idea about the archery-training in that late evening discussion (after being ashamed of their own and apologizing a lot etc...) and then Thornden mentioned it to lord Eodwine the next morning / day just to get his approval for the scheme - and finding out about Javan had been fighting Eodwine would have taken the lead in there with his authority (in a way lmp said he would in his post here).

What do you think?

Folwren

07-19-2008, 12:38 PM

A general suggestion (so this is where we are now?): The parents & Thornden came up with the idea about the archery-training in that late evening discussion (after being ashamed of their own and apologizing a lot etc...)

What do you think?

Sounds good, but this:

and then Thornden mentioned it to lord Eodwine the next morning / day just to get his approval for the scheme - and finding out about Javan had been fighting Eodwine would have taken the lead in there with his authority (in a way lmp said he would in his post here).

I did not comprehend. Can you explain it again? Sorry. :(

-- Foley

Nogrod

07-19-2008, 12:48 PM

I did not comprehend. Can you explain it again? Sorry. :(
Okay.

The next day Thornden mentions the decision the parents and himself had reached the last night - and possibly askes for the approval of lord Eodwine for the archery-practises (so individual punishments for all given by parents to their children and possibly by Thornden to Javan - and the decision to try and make their relations better with the quite useful archery training).

Now only at this moment does lord Eodwine learn that Javan has been in a fight. There had been such a number of events the day before that he had never heard about it (I mean there really was!).

Learning that (about the boys having a fight and then the parents & Thornden meeting) he then takes it to his responsibility to talk to them all - and especially Javan (in a way lmp describes in his post here just a few posts above - #541 to be exact).

And then the archery-training goes on.

Or that's the way I see it right now. I guess this is open to any suggestions.

littlemanpoet

07-19-2008, 02:53 PM

Nogrod, it sounds as if you're suggesting that we build a community post right here on the discussion thread. Is that your idea? That could be pretty interesting: 1 writer starts it, then another copies and pastes the start into her/his post and adds to it, and so on until the discussing group is satisfied with the whole thing, and those writers who are not involved get to see the thing grow. I quite like the idea.

Or, are you suggesting that we could just discuss and agree as to what happened when, with a timeline (perhaps) being set down back to which everyone can refer?

Nogrod

07-19-2008, 03:23 PM

I was indeed talking about the latter option you suggest lmp. So we make the things clear here as to what happened and then people refer to that adding their own to it in the thread. That would give us air for everyone's personal points of view and might get the relations nicely forwards.

But your idea about a "community post" sounds intriguing as well lmp. We might as well do one for starters - and not losing the above-mentioned option. Pio could possibly fit it in, or someone who has sent one of the last posts there before the jump could do it.

So the question remains, do we write a collective post or do we refer to the things that have happened before with a mutual consent - only with individual viewpoints?

I'm slightly for the latter but will be ready to try the "community post" as well, if not for anything other than as a trial of that kind of posting...

Folwren

07-19-2008, 03:37 PM

Thanks for making all clear, Nogrod.

I'd love to write a community post. But I'm flexible and even if I'm not happy, I won't complain. ;)

Is the archery on horseback? :D

Nogrod

07-19-2008, 03:50 PM

Is the archery on horseback? :DIf you wish. More of a challenge to Garmund and Cnebba!!! (I'm not sure Modtryth would be happy with that but if it's lord Eodwine's counsel she would agree... and Stigend would rejoice!!! :))

Folwren

07-19-2008, 04:35 PM

Would they still be working on the archery a month later?

Elempi, will more stones need to be gathered as the building progresses? I had thought of something that I could do during one of the stone gathering expeditions, but I see in your post that many stones have already been quarried and shaped. If that's all they'll need, that's fine, but if more will be brought in, I'd like to do something in it.

Folwren

07-19-2008, 05:03 PM

Alrighty. I posted, mostly for the sake of posing something. I made some assumptions about how the boys were getting along. If Nogrod and Lommy want things to be different, I'll go back and change it. I just wanted to get something up.

We haven't really done much planning about how things would be on the present day. What I think is no clear to be seen in the post I just put up, but I can reiterate it here.

I think that at first, things would have been really tough. How long this lasted, who knows? Maybe until another explosion happened and they had to be talked to again. I don't know how it works in real life with real kids.

As time moved on, I imagine they would grow used to each other, but perhaps not friendly. I'm thinking that that's where they are at this point.

You see, when you're stuck with someone you don't like for a long time against your will, it doesn't often get better. Something actually has to happen to make it better...

So, what I'm thinking is, maybe on this Day that we're playing out now, we can have that 'something' happen, and the friendship/relationship/whatever you want to call it can become complete.

How's that sound?
And are we doing a community post for what happened a month ago?

-- Foley

Nogrod

07-19-2008, 05:16 PM

Would they still be working on the archery a month later?Certainly... You don't learn that in a month... and Javan would learn more himself as he's required to teach and thence forced to think of the things he knows... and which he himself learns while teaching... and some passers-by (anyone interested to post on that?) might give them some advice (who could resist the chance of teaching youngsters with the arrows if they knew the trade?). :)

Elempi, will more stones need to be gathered as the building progresses? I had thought of something that I could do during one of the stone gathering expeditions, but I see in your post that many stones have already been quarried and shaped. If that's all they'll need, that's fine, but if more will be brought in, I'd like to do something in it.Just my opinion. This will be a gargantuan enterprise so nothing's enough...

There's clearly no wood enough to build the Mead Hall so it needs to be made of stones as lord Eodwine foresaw... But just try to figure out the number of stones which it would take a host of men to heave up and carry and then for some (two persons basically - well Stigend and a few soldiers might learn it...) - to mould and get it right. And then think of a great hall... It's not a month or two but longer...

Just my opinion calling for realism... :p

EDIT: X'd with Foley... Let's see to it...

Nogrod

07-19-2008, 05:36 PM

I just read your post with Javan, Foley.

Great!

It looks very good to me and I hope the others agree.

There is a host of chances how we could make the things evolve to any direction we wish...

Nogrod

07-19-2008, 06:09 PM

There is a host of chances how we could make the things evolve to any direction we wish...Looking at Foley's latest post: Cnebba is eight!

An easy way to bring this to a good drama! Cnebba knows how to ride Snowstreak to be sure but to shoot arrows while riding... at the age of eight?

Now he's sure Snowstreak has changed after the fire to become so much more easily startled - one of the reasons he has hated Javan so much as Snowstreak had always been dear to him - and will blame javan for it. And he's not erred in that: the horse has changed in the hands of a young bloke even if it can still behave - about - with the adults!

In a sense his claim is a rightful one (and it might need admitting by those who have power over him?) but surely he uses it to distract the notice away from his own failures...

Gwathagor

07-19-2008, 06:15 PM

Thinlómien

07-20-2008, 10:17 AM

Gwath and Groin - you amuse me. :D

Foley, Nog, LMP - you all seem to be acting like there was still something to discuss about this issue. Isn't it settled yet? Isn't it fine as it is? :confused:

Folwren

07-20-2008, 12:00 PM

We just like wasting lots of words. :p

No, no, I'm kidding. We were thinking of different ways things could happen. There are eight characters involved in this, you understand, and we coud potentially discuss how each different one acted in the situation. :D

The only thing that is NOT fine just where it is is the present state of things. But I think that that's been figured out in my latest post.

Nogrod, I'll fix Cnebba's age. Garmund is 9, right?
You're thoughts concerning Snowstreak is interesting. That can definitely be incorporated.

Thinlómien

07-20-2008, 12:19 PM

Nogrod, I'll fix Cnebba's age. Garmund is 9, right?
You're thoughts concerning Snowstreak is interesting. That can definitely be incorporated.Except that they were my thoughts, actually... ;) Anyway, Nog you said: Now he's sure Snowstreak has changed after the fire to become so much more easily startledWouldn't just "more easily startled" be okay? ;) No need to exaggerate things...

Folwren

07-20-2008, 01:44 PM

My two cents about the horse's apparent spookiness:

Chances are, the fire would not have damaged his ability to respond to proper handling. If he were to become more spooky, I would think it would only relate to fire or the sound of crackling, and the smell of smoke. In fact, if you really want him to be affected by the fire, then the smell of smoke would probably be what bothered him the most.

Now, it is absolutely possible that if Cnebba was the only one handling Snowstreak for most of the time, then Snowstreak could become less trust worthy. If Cnebba's handling is inconsistant, maybe a little rough at times, or just doesn't happen very often, then Snowstreak could easily turn more skiddish.
I think Nogrod insinuated that in his above post - that Snowstreak's behavior has something to do with Cnebba's handling and not all of it is due to the fire.

So...those are just my ideas concerning this, based on my own horse handling and experience. We can fling it out the window, of course, as this is purely pretend.

littlemanpoet

07-20-2008, 03:25 PM

Would they still be working on the archery a month later?Certainly.

This will be a gargantuan enterprise so nothing's enough... Quite.

Elempi, will more stones need to be gathered as the building progresses? I had thought of something that I could do during one of the stone gathering expeditions, but I see in your post that many stones have already been quarried and shaped. If that's all they'll need, that's fine, but if more will be brought in, I'd like to do something in it.Not having expected Nain the Dwarf to arrive in Scarburg, the story I told was that the stones needed had been gathered and shaped. But a Dwarf would know better and not be shy about saying so. So Formy, don't be shy. Then Foley can do her idea with Thornden.

I don't know how it works in real life with real kids. As time moved on, I imagine they would grow used to each other, but perhaps not friendly. I'm thinking that that's where they are at this point.When you have three people, whether children or adults, and they aren't necessarily getting along, you will have something called "triangulation". Two of them join together as the "in" pair, leaving the 3rd person "out". And WHO is OUT can change. One possibility is that Cnebba will turn out to be better at archery than Garmund, and Javan and that better archer will form the new pair. Then it may turn out that Garmund is better at horseback archery than Cnebba (partly because of Snowstreak being more easily spooked now), and the IN pair will again switch. And then something else might happen to put Javan on the OUT again. All of this kind of triangulation will keep repeating itself until SOMETHING, as Foley suggested, draws the threesome together as a unit in which they become aware that each of the three has value for the unit of three. That doesn't have to happen right away for these three. I think it might be more interesting to explore the triangulation in its various possibilities before resolving them into a threeway friendship. But a question: what of Lys?

Foley, your thoughts on how to handle horses are most certainly appreciated as it makes this "pretend" rpg more realistic.

Okay, now to read these new posts. If anything I've said above is already not doable because of what I haven't read yet, no problem. But I'm not going to delete what I've already written. :)

EDIT: Okay, no reason to worry about deleting a thing.

Regarding Dan, Scyld, and Eodwine

The PM built post is not happening so far, presumably beause Eonwe is busy with RL. In any case, I want to cover what I'm thinking about how things will have played out.

With Dan keeping his promise to Oeric, and Scyld in the know (cahoots) about that, Dan brings Scyld aka Nydfara to Eodwine. Eodwine, it just so happens, has seen Nydfara/Scyld before. He had brought a young woman with him to the Eorling Mead Hall, posing under another name, and had turned out to be a spy. I'll have to check the Abduction story to determine whether Eodwine had seen him on the Scar with Linduial toward the end of that story. At any rate, Eodwine will have a sense that he's seen him before. If he only saw him at the EOH, he will have a negative association but not be able to place it: STRIKE ONE. Dan brings Nydfara to Eodwine as the spy who has been lurking and now been caught: STRIKE TWO. Dan says that Nydfara has rescued him from the mire: "BALL ONE".

ANOTHER EDIT: Scyld was not seen by Eodwine at the Scar with Linduial.

So using my batter at the plate analogy, the "count" is against Nydfara but as yet undecided.

Eodwine will ask Nydfara, "why did you keep yourself hidden and only come when Dan brought you?"

Firefoot, what would Nydfara's answer be?

Firefoot

07-20-2008, 05:58 PM

Eodwine will ask Nydfara, "why did you keep yourself hidden and only come when Dan brought you?"

Firefoot, what would Nydfara's answer be? He will reply that he is a wanderer unaware of recent news and unaware of the Eorl's arrival to the area, and that he did not know that the armed man who called after him was more than a brigand.

Formendacil

07-20-2008, 08:13 PM

Post up. All the usual fine-prints about abused characters apply... ie. see me and I will fix.

Groin and Gwathagor, you have the use of Náin until such time as Thorden and/or Eodwine show up to discuss the masonry and construction. Gwath mentioned to me that Crabannan and Náin might have met in Dale. If so, Náin's memory has yet to be jogged, but it could be interesting if it is... I doubt my Dwarf would care much for Crabby, though, and in any case, he's likely to side with Erbrand more than Crabannan where Kara might be concerned.

I can't give you all day, though, because Náin's first priority is to stonework, so when Thorden or Eodwine join or send for him, he'll be off for that. How long that takes... well... let's let the day decide.

As far that goes, LMP and Foley, I have ideas that can easily result in an opinionated Dwarf-mason thinking they've made a good start, but that there's a whole lot of improvement that can be made if Eodwine wants a truly grand burg, which should play well into Foley's hopes for more stone-seeking. And, in any case, given the numbers involved in Eodwine's camp, I highly doubt they would have enough cut stone, in a single month, to complete a Mead Hall. Maybe to start one... but Náin doubts it.

And... that's probably enough to be getting on with for now, but if Kath wants something to do other than bake and cook, Náin would probably be happy to see her, and wax lovingly on the Glittering Caves.:p

Gwathagor

07-20-2008, 10:47 PM

...I doubt my Dwarf would care much for Crabby, though...

Not many people do, I think.

Oh, Form - Erbrand and Crabannan are not at the kitchen. They are outside of their tents. I'm afraid that messes up your post a bit. Sorry!

Kath

07-21-2008, 05:51 AM

Form! I'd completely missed that you were back! I'm so glad, Kara would indeed love to chat with her old Dwarf friend. I'll let Gwath and Groin have him for a little and then come interrupt. :D

Nogrod

07-21-2008, 03:11 PM

Form: Don't forget to use Garstan as Náin's helper as he's the stonecrafter and Celuien is not with us anymore (until some later date I hope). So feel free to use him. I'm sure Celuien would not be offended as she gave already myself and Lommy the "right" to use him and his children. And that's professional stuff anyway between Náin and Garstan - and why not bring back old memories or whatever?

Foley: I'll pay heed to your expertise on horses and try to incorporate that on my next post as well as I can... Let the present situation between the kids evolve. It seems it's not perfect but there sure are good leads...

Formendacil

07-21-2008, 04:52 PM

Oh, Form - Erbrand and Crabannan are not at the kitchen. They are outside of their tents. I'm afraid that messes up your post a bit. Sorry!

And here I thought I'd taken such care... not to worry, though, I can emend to compensate--I think.

Form! I'd completely missed that you were back! I'm so glad, Kara would indeed love to chat with her old Dwarf friend. I'll let Gwath and Groin have him for a little and then come interrupt.

Duly (and happily) noted.

Form: Don't forget to use Garstan as Náin's helper as he's the stonecrafter and Celuien is not with us anymore (until some later date I hope). So feel free to use him. I'm sure Celuien would not be offended as she gave already myself and Lommy the "right" to use him and his children. And that's professional stuff anyway between Náin and Garstan - and why not bring back old memories or whatever?

Aye sir. Not that I planned to leave Garstan in the cold, though. He is, as you say, the local stonecutter and all.

EDIT: And... edited. Thank you, Gwath. I think that the change in situation actually suits Nain's character a bit better than joining them at table did.

Nogrod

07-21-2008, 04:52 PM

Just take it on from this (my latest post that is) Foley!

I've left the guys in a situation that might bring us... well anywhere. So only personal relations stuff or whatever you come up with why their horses backed away...

littlemanpoet

07-21-2008, 07:04 PM

Noggie, I guess I'm dense. What's the anguish for? Did they shoot Javan by mistake? Or one of their own horses?

Nogrod

07-22-2008, 07:19 AM

Noggie, I guess I'm dense. What's the anguish for? Did they shoot Javan by mistake? Or one of their own horses?:)
Well I thought it would be up to Foley to decide... but I must say neither of those were along the list of possible explanations I had entertained myself...

But you might be right about the word 'anguish' being a bit strong one. Depending on what Foley comes up with as the explanation I can change the term to fit the mood better. So it's up to you Foley - I can edit the last sentences to fit your post later.

littlemanpoet

07-23-2008, 09:52 AM

I've posted for Harreld, with an opening for anyone who wants his or her character to show up at the smithy this Morning.

Folwren

07-23-2008, 04:39 PM

Excellent post, Nogrod. Quite interesting. I'll write sometime and decide exactly what is happening.

Anguish may not be appropraite for just now, but I guess we'll find out.

Can't write any more now. So long.

-- Fol

Kath

07-23-2008, 05:18 PM

Kara is very keen to speak to Nain but her writer is leaving the country for two weeks and is very unlikely to have net access. I was going to have her interrupt once Crabannan and/or Erbrand had spoken to Nain but as that seems not to be happening I'm not sure what to do. I don't want to interrupt and then leave Form hanging for two weeks, but I don't want the opportunity to be missed either.

Ideas anyone? If the stand off is still going by the time I'm back then no worries. :D

Formendacil

07-23-2008, 05:44 PM

Well, depending on how quickly Gwath and Groin get to posting, and myself to replying... being gone two weeks may not be a problem much.

On the other hand, there are still the noon meal and the evening meal. Náin will be back to eat then, and perhaps that would be a more fitting moment for Kath to meet her old Dwarf friend. It has the advantage of allowing Náin to proceed after some "pleasantries" (long or short) with Erbrand and Crabannan, and possibly might allow the whole lot of them stew somewhat over whatever this "Kara issue" is that Crabby has brought up, in time for a more explosive reaction when Kara does turn up--assuming Erbrand and Crabannan turn up at said later meal.

Could just be the goblin in me, but I rather like explosives in my RPGs.

littlemanpoet

07-23-2008, 07:23 PM

I'm on vacation starting tomorrow, and will be so until Aug. 3. I may have computer access here and there to pop in. No guarantees though. Cheers!

Gwathagor

07-23-2008, 10:49 PM

Eönwë

07-24-2008, 08:07 AM

Now, since I have holidays, I can post much more on here.

Folwren

07-24-2008, 11:09 AM

Nogrod or Lommy can take it from there. I DID write a post where nothing really happened and Javan just scolded them, but then I decided it'd be more interesting and would make more sense if something else happened...explain the boys' anxiety a little. This may do it.

They should be happy it wasn't someone else. Garstan's nice.

Groin Redbeard

07-24-2008, 05:22 PM

Well, Groin, I had originally expected Crabannan and Erbrand to become good friends, but I'm having fun with this. :) Maybe something will bring them together as well - mirroring the story of Javan and Co...interesting...

Sorry about that Gwathagor, I was thinking about making them friends but then I thought that Crabannan's hellraising attitude wouldn't sit well with Erbrand's mild manners. ;)

Groin Redbeard

07-24-2008, 06:14 PM

I'm terribly sorry for keeping you held up Form. I'll post as soon as possible and get things underway. Very exciting stuff!:D

Folwren

07-26-2008, 08:12 PM

Things have been silent for over thiryt-five hours. What's next? Who needs to post?

-- Foley

Gwathagor

07-26-2008, 10:09 PM

Me. I need to post. Having finished my 70 hour work week (;)), I will now have time.

Eönwë

07-27-2008, 07:20 AM

Elempi, what would tasks would Lord Eodwine give Dan? What jobs would he be doing? I just feel like I don't know what he should be doing.

littlemanpoet

07-27-2008, 07:21 PM

Elempi, what would tasks would Lord Eodwine give Dan? What jobs would he be doing? I just feel like I don't know what he should be doing.

It depends on what Dan is good at, for the most part. If he has no preferences, then he would be used where most needed. If it makes it more interesting, Dan could be used for stone moving one day, tree hauling another, hunting for another, bellows pumping another, and so on.

Since nobody took up the cue I offered in my post of Harreld, I removed it.

No time to post right now.

Feanor of the Peredhil

07-29-2008, 11:39 AM

I'm bringing in Degas today. I meant to post before work (two o'clock) but the post is waxing long and it's time to leave. So some time tonight (I finish work at 9:30) I'll finish up and post.

Folwren

07-29-2008, 11:40 AM

K, great, Fea. I'll get something up for Saeryn this afternoon, so we know where she is.

-- Foley

Folwren

07-29-2008, 07:06 PM

I put up only part of a post, but I will not be able to finish it until tomorrow. So, Fea, if you need to know where Saeryn is going to, it's to Harreld, the smithy.

-- Foley

Formendacil

07-29-2008, 08:59 PM

Well, Gwath, it's all yours... Náin is getting twitchy, but he's not quite set to blow, unless Crabannan decides to push all his buttons. Most likely, though, unless Crabannan manages to say exactly all the right things (which I must say would be uncharacteristic of him), Náin's likely to head off grumble-minded and ripe for a re-encounter in the mid-afternoon or sometime (when, perhaps... Erbrand and Kara might somehow be involved. That should work for Kath's schedule of return, methinks.

As always, if I've misportrayed your characters, by all means, let me know.

Formendacil

07-29-2008, 09:27 PM

*cough*

Yeah, it's me again.

So, Fea's post leads into Náin, so I'm going to run with that...

Sorry, Gwath, I guess Crabannan's off the hook for the moment, unless he wants to tag along. This just works too well with Náin's itinerary for the day of surveying the grounds and stones and whatnot.

So Crabannan does not have to explain or distort anything yet... though he can certainly percolate over the issue until later, and I assure you that the mid-afternoonish, or lunchish, or wheneverish encounter is not off the books.

We'll just have to wait and savour it.:smokin:

Unless Crabannan comes up with an excuse to tag along, of course.

Feanor of the Peredhil

07-29-2008, 09:29 PM

Gwath, feel free to jump in where I've left an opening 'for' Formy. Or somebody else can come interrupt. I just wanted to tease Form a little, since we were chatting as I finished up the post. The idea is simply to build suspense for Degas by delaying his meeting with Eodwine and his knowledge of Saeryn/his home. The longer I can keep him uninformed, the more desperate he will become for answers. And desperate people are fun to write. And, I suspect, to read.

Formendacil

07-29-2008, 09:58 PM

Looks like we've crossposted, Fea, since I've already put a reply up. I know, though, that you're offline, so this shouldn't happen again--tonight. (Well, unless you just can't stand me and made yourself invisible to get away.:p)

Anyway, the end of my post is fairly wide open--wider than my last post here suggested it would end up. So, Gwath, as utterly confused as you could be becoming the way this thread has gone... you can do whatever you want now. Crabannan can stick acround, and bug Náin with his presence, or he can get out while the going's good. He can find Thorden or Eodwine... or lead us down some detour we don't expect... or he can get away from that mess and go bug Harreld about Ginna.:D

*contended sigh*

I really missed RPGing, I think.

:smokin:

Groin Redbeard

07-30-2008, 08:26 AM

It looks like your characters reputation precedes himself, Gwathagor. Quickly, make friends with the newcomer, Degas, before he is influenced by the rumors! :D I really like the way that this is turning out; very exciting stuff. :)

Folwren

07-30-2008, 09:24 AM

I (finally) finished my post. Sorry it took so long.

Formendacil....my character's name is Thornden, with an 'N' before the 'D'.

I'm so glad to see so much activity! I'm so glad Fea and Form came back, harrah!

-- Foley

Gwathagor

07-30-2008, 09:33 AM

Look all these humans.

Formendacil

07-30-2008, 04:16 PM

Formendacil....my character's name is Thornden, with an 'N' before the 'D'.

Oh dear... and I know that too. Still, I remembered the other "n", so I'm not completely useless.:p

I'll go fix that...

Groin Redbeard

08-01-2008, 12:44 PM

So what exactly is going on today at Scarburg? I know that we have to start building the hall with the stones from the scar, but has Eodwine, or anyone els, found out who burnt the hall?

Folwren

08-01-2008, 07:05 PM

How could anyone find out? And was it not merely a bunch of angry serfs?

littlemanpoet

08-01-2008, 08:05 PM

So what exactly is going on today at Scarburg? I know that we have to start building the hall with the stones from the scar, but has Eodwine, or anyone els, found out who burnt the hall?
I'm back (said Sam). :p

Eodwine doesn't expect to find out who burned the old hall down. Maybe Nydfara/Scyld knows? More likely, Oeric knows. (?) ;)

Now to go read everything.

EDIT: Okay, I've read everything. And I've posted for both Harreld and Eodwine. Foley & Noggie, I've corralled your characters Thornden and Stigend into my post. One (or both) of you may have your character reply to Eodwine's query.

Gwathagor

08-01-2008, 10:34 PM

Feanor, I've just noticed that you've got us (Crabannan, Nain, etc.) in a tent, when we are in fact just outside of a tent. I'm sorry I didn't catch that earlier.

Feanor of the Peredhil

08-02-2008, 07:44 AM

Feanor, I've just noticed that you've got us (Crabannan, Nain, etc.) in a tent, when we are in fact just outside of a tent. I'm sorry I didn't catch that earlier.

Allow me to go take advantage of that sacred thing which is called editing...

Groin Redbeard

08-02-2008, 09:23 AM

I got a post in. Sorry for having Erbrand break away from Dan so quickly Eonwe. I wanted to get Erbrand out of everyone's way because I'll be leaving on August 4th for a family reunion up in Yankee country and I won't be back until the 12th. So, y'all can expect me back around the time that Thinlomien is back.

Folwren

08-02-2008, 12:23 PM

Where is Lommy?

If I post, it probably won't be until Monday.

-- Foley

Groin Redbeard

08-02-2008, 12:58 PM

Where is Lommy?
-- Foley
I don't know, but she told me that she would be away from the July 23rd to August 11th.

littlemanpoet

08-02-2008, 02:28 PM

Okay, I've set the stage for all three of the characters I have going here.

Firefoot, I hope you can (or wish to) do something with what I've provided re Rowenna.

Same thing goes for Thornden (Foley) and Stigend (Noggie) re Eodwine, and Saeryn (Foley) re Harreld.

I'm waiting for you guys now.

Nogrod

08-02-2008, 02:58 PM

Legate is visiting us (meaning Lommy as well) and Rune is coming on Monday... I might have some time tomorrow evening though and I will try to fill something in.

We will come back from our summer cottage on Saturday a week from now (we leave on Tuesday) and after that the normal routines will fall on us and we will be more able to attach ourselves.

But as I said, I will try to fill in something tomorrow.

Gwathagor

08-02-2008, 07:28 PM

I'll be leaving on August 4th for a family reunion up in Yankee country

Yankee country! Ha! :p Which part?

Groin Redbeard

08-02-2008, 07:45 PM

Yankee country! Ha! :p Which part?

Deeeeeeep Yankee country: Door County Wisconsin. I guess I better keep my Rebel secessionist thoughts to myself then while I'm up there!:p

Folwren

08-02-2008, 08:53 PM

Deeeeeeep Yankee country: Door County Wisconsin. I guess I better keep my Rebel secessionist thoughts to myself then while I'm up there!:p

*grumblerebblesessesionistmoronthoughtsgrumble* Just kidding!

Have fun! :)

Firefoot

08-03-2008, 11:13 AM

Currently working on a post for Scyld... proving difficult since so much of his history and his prior knowledge of what was going on at the Meadhall was written about some... two years ago? Oy vey. And now with Degas re-entering the picture... yikes, I'm going to have some reviewing to do (not now).

Firefoot

08-03-2008, 02:24 PM

Nogrod

08-03-2008, 03:17 PM

About the layout of the camp... the main sleeping area and the kitchens area are both in the baker? Because I thought they were, and then people kept referencing the "kitchens" leaving me to wonder if something separate had been constructed...I don't think the "kitchens" are under the baker the people sleep under but even less are they kitchens... :) But surely they should be a) nearby and b) covered with a canvas and / or supported by some temporary light structures by now...

But they are not ready or at their place yet as they will be built later as part of the Hall itself when the Hall gets constructed.

littlemanpoet

08-03-2008, 06:08 PM

I don't think the "kitchens" are under the baker the people sleep under but even less are they kitchens... :) But surely they should be a) nearby and b) covered with a canvas and / or supported by some temporary light structures by now...

But they are not ready or at their place yet as they will be built later as part of the Hall itself when the Hall gets constructed.
Yeah, the way I've been seeing this in my mind is that the baker (where the cooking is getting done) is (from the entrance to Scarburg) a little to the right, in front of the ruins; the eating tables are more or less directly in front of the ruins (thus to the left of the baker) and the tents where people are sleeping are to the left of the tables, more or less in front of the (former) ruins. At least, that's the way I've been thinking of it.

EDIT: :D Firefoot, what fun. :D I'd rep you but (you know the drill) .... Anyway, I'm going to have to give this some thought. Will post soon....

Folwren

08-07-2008, 09:42 AM

Ha. That post of mine for Thornden definitely wasn't of impressive length.

I have a question, though. What exactly did Eodwine mean that they would celebrate? Are they taking off work - or are they just recognizing how far they've gone?

-- Foley

littlemanpoet

08-07-2008, 02:16 PM

I haven't given that a lot of thought, Foley. It could be a day off, it could be an afternoon off, it could be a bonfire at night after a full day of work. What do we want it to be?

By the way, you might want and "end quote" on the end of your last sentence there. ;)

Firefoot

08-07-2008, 08:19 PM

Just to let y'all know... I'm getting ready to head off to college right now (read: I'm going to be very busy); I'm here for another week and then I'm going to be a week without internet access. After that I suspect that I will find myself rather busy with orientation stuff and getting settled in... but I'm going to do my best.

Just when I'm starting to have fun with this again...:rolleyes: It's always something.

Gwathagor

08-08-2008, 03:20 PM

I have returned from the seaside and will post as soon as I can.

Kath

08-09-2008, 07:47 AM

Hello! I am back. :) Might post for Kara a bit later, I'm missing Frodides, or I may wait until we get to the evening so she can greet Nain. Depends on how the rest of the day goes!

littlemanpoet

08-09-2008, 01:24 PM

Firefoot & Foley, it's your turn again. And Gwath may have Crabannan interrupt too, if he wants.

Gwathagor

08-09-2008, 03:05 PM

Ah, splendid! Thanks for moving Crabannan and Degas along.

Gwathagor

08-10-2008, 12:01 AM

Gwath has posted...more introspective rubbish!

littlemanpoet

08-10-2008, 03:34 PM

Fun post, Gwath. :D

Foley, Noggie, or Fea, feel free to beat Eodwine to the answer if you like.

Folwren

08-12-2008, 07:31 PM

This is turning out very interesting.

Let me know when Saeryn's character is handled incorrectly...or butchered entirely, Fea. :)

In the mean time, have fun with what I just wrote. I could have done more, but I figured now might be a good time to let you write something.

-- Folwren

Gwathagor

08-12-2008, 07:40 PM

:eek:...wow.

Thinlómien

08-13-2008, 03:38 AM

I'm back as well. Everybody has been writing amazing stuff, really. :) I'll be able to post soon but I won't be able to be very active in the next 1,5 months because some of my final exams are coming up... (although, one could certainly count writing here as practice for the English exam, right? :D)

Feanor of the Peredhil

08-13-2008, 06:48 AM

Let me know when Saeryn's character is handled incorrectly...or butchered entirely, Fea. :)

In the mean time, have fun with what I just wrote. I could have done more, but I figured now might be a good time to let you write something.

Are you kidding? This is great. We all know she's a bit of a hot head. She gets herself into things before thinking about them. She's smart and she knows how to do everything she's supposed to do, but she tends not to consider that when acting on impulse. And obviously there are social norms which that doesn't apply to: she's proper in the things that matter, but her personal heroine is Eowyn, which means that duty, honor, and freedom to live and die for your country in a way that matters to you are top priorities.

So calling Degas a coward is going to strike a fascinating note...

Because yeah, he basically gave up on their home half a dozen years ago. Used the younger son excuse to leave and hasn't been back since. With their parents gone, their sister gone, Saeryn relocated, and no responsibilities there, he had no reason or desire to show up. Hence the Gondorian emigration. Like the young artist living in a run down loft in NYC, hoping to make it big, our boy found himself in Elessar's court, playing off his heritage to get himself more interesting audiences.

Not very lordly behavior... So Saeryn's accusation is completely unfair, but it's also hilarious accurate.

And he's going to have to retain his newfound maturity to avoid telling her that her home would have been Eodwine's hall if she hadn't spooked and ran away as soon as he called her on there bordering-inappropriate relationship.

:D

I'll write that some time today...

Feanor of the Peredhil

08-13-2008, 07:05 AM

Post up.

Groin Redbeard

08-13-2008, 09:54 AM

Glad to see you back, Thinlomien! It feels so good to be back home!:D

Everyone has been doing great posts, and I'll see if I can get one up today. Is it alright if Erbrand starts with the festivities that Eodwine promised? I think I might have Lithor come back for a little bit with Erbrand if that is alright.

Feanor of the Peredhil

08-13-2008, 11:10 AM

Love it love it love it!

I so missed everybody here... Both characters and writers.

And the drama...

I'll write later. If not at work, then after.

Feanor of the Peredhil

08-13-2008, 12:28 PM

Post up. Elempi, rebound, rebound!

Folwren

08-13-2008, 01:44 PM

Lommy, when you (or Nogrod) post, could you look into the boys' situation?

Thinlómien

08-13-2008, 01:47 PM

Yes. Whichever of us has time first.

Folwren

08-13-2008, 02:38 PM

Kath, you can post for Fordides if you like. :)

Nogrod

08-13-2008, 03:26 PM

Lommy, when you (or Nogrod) post, could you look into the boys' situation?Coming in... coming in... Our choir has a few concerts tomorrow at local "Art goes kapakka" (Art goes to the bars) -festival but I will get myself updated and posting in the weekend.

Groin Redbeard

08-13-2008, 03:35 PM

Lommy, when you (or Nogrod) post, could you look into the boys' situation?

You beat me to the question, Folwren: what is going on with the boys? If someone needs to go and check, or help, them Erbrand would be a willing participant. It would give him something else to do anyway. :)

Folwren

08-13-2008, 03:35 PM

Cool. No big rush. I'm just wondering. Don't mean to pester or be annoying. :)

Nogrod

08-13-2008, 03:40 PM

If someone needs to go and check, or help, them Erbrand would be a willing participant. It would give him something else to do anyway. :)I'll write you a chance for it during the weekend... :) (hopefully on Saturday)

Kath

08-13-2008, 06:44 PM

There we go. A post for Frodides open for Folwren if you want to continue it and a post for Kara open for Form and/or Gwath. :)

littlemanpoet

08-13-2008, 08:21 PM

Erbrand or anybody else, feel free to start with the festivities. :)

Formendacil

08-13-2008, 08:25 PM

Kath/Gwath, the ball's all yours; run with it.

Though it occurs to me that Crabannan has been rather tossed from one person to another lately as everyone gets rid of him... you might prefer to post yourself, although I can think up scenarios where Kath posting first would be more fun.

Whatever... it's out of my hands.

Gwathagor

08-13-2008, 08:28 PM

:(:(:(

It's a hard life. Your sympathy is noted, Form, and will be duly rewarded when I come into my kingdom.

Gwathagor

08-13-2008, 08:29 PM

Erbrand or anybody else, feel free to start with the festivities. :)

What? What festivities? Did I miss something important?

Formendacil

08-13-2008, 08:36 PM

What? What festivities? Did I miss something important?

It does strike me as a little odd that it's while Eodwine is away that the Eodwinelingas will be celebrating...

Or is this a case of "when the cat's away, the mice will play"? :D

littlemanpoet

08-14-2008, 04:46 AM

What? What festivities? Did I miss something important?

It's celebration day. And Eodwine is staying in Scarburg for it. He'll leave for Edoras on the morrow.

Firefoot, sorry for leaving you hanging. I've remembered about Rowenna and now it's your turn.

Kath

08-14-2008, 05:28 AM

I will get another post up this afternoon once I return from lunch as we're going out to celebrate my siblings exam results. :)

littlemanpoet

08-14-2008, 09:44 AM

Fea, you've taken to reading Eodwine's mind and finding things I didn't even know were there. ;) Maybe when I'm gone YOU should take him up.... (I'm not joking).

Formy, I really like your rendering, "Eodwinelingas" - great idea, and very fitting to both Tolkien and Anglo-Saxon culture. I think however that since there is no L in Eodwine's name, the proper rendering would be "Eodwiningas".

Feanor of the Peredhil

08-14-2008, 11:14 AM

Fea, you've taken to reading Eodwine's mind and finding things I didn't even know were there. ;)

*pauses, startled*

Wait, is there something I ought not to have written?

Maybe when I'm gone YOU should take him up.... (I'm not joking).

I'm flattered you think I'd do a decent job at it, but I don't consider myself reliable about sticking around any more. I came back this summer because I was bored. But with school starting in just over two weeks? I'm terrified of next semester and it hasn't even started.

Formendacil

08-14-2008, 04:29 PM

Formy, I really like your rendering, "Eodwinelingas" - great idea, and very fitting to both Tolkien and Anglo-Saxon culture. I think however that since there is no L in Eodwine's name, the proper rendering would be "Eodwiningas".

Ah, that would be better. I thought it looked a little awkward... and the cognation of Anglo-Saxon would explain why.

Though it does look awfully close to "Eodwine-ninjas" :p

Feanor of the Peredhil

08-14-2008, 05:03 PM

Though it does look awfully close to "Eodwine-ninjas" :p

And this is a bad thing... how?

littlemanpoet

08-14-2008, 08:43 PM

*pauses, startled* Wait, is there something I ought not to have written?
No, but your last two posts have gone into Eodwine's head. My initial reaction was, "Hey, what do you think you're doing!" But that was quickly followed by, "Hmmm, eennnnnterrresting." :D

Formy, post # 228 is a duplicate and incomplete version of post #229.

Gwath, Kara, Formy & Firefoot, I'm thinking that Rowenna and Nydfara will arrive at the kitchen the same time (roughly) as Crabannan and the others. Could make for an interesting melee..... ;) I suppose Ginna is there too, but her writer is remorsefully absent, so we will have to just use her as makes sense.

piosenniel

08-14-2008, 10:15 PM

Formendacil/lmp

I deleted the incomplete version of Formendacil's post.

~*~ Pio

Thinlómien

08-15-2008, 01:31 AM

I'll write something either today or tomorrow...

Feanor of the Peredhil

08-15-2008, 05:23 AM

No, but your last two posts have gone into Eodwine's head. My initial reaction was, "Hey, what do you think you're doing!" But that was quickly followed by, "Hmmm, eennnnnterrresting."

I wouldn't normally borrow somebody's mind, but I'd noticed that many of your Eodwine posts included interspersed thoughts and I didn't want to break with the pattern you'd created. I tried to keep thoughts simple/obvious/descriptive, rather than making a whole bunch of stuff up... But I can not, if you prefer.

Kath

08-15-2008, 07:28 AM

lmp, Fea, I've moved Eodwine and Degas to the kitchen because I seem to recall that was an idea somewhere. If you'd rather they weren't there yet then I can remove it but I can't do anything until Monday now as I'm going away for the weekend. :)

Groin Redbeard

08-15-2008, 08:21 AM

Very nice writing everyone! :) I love the way that this is turning out.

I'll be gone tomorrow with the Boy Scouts and I just wanted to know if I should do a small post for Lithor to get the festivities underway, before I leave, or do you think that we should let the current situation calm down a bit?:)

I'll have a post sending Erbrand to go look on the boys situation on Sunday.

Folwren

08-15-2008, 11:15 AM

I'll wait to post for Saeryn until after Eodwine or Fea post, confirming what Kath just wrote. :)

Feanor of the Peredhil

08-15-2008, 12:33 PM

I'll wait to post for Saeryn until after Eodwine or Fea post, confirming what Kath just wrote. :)

I'm fine with what Kath wrote. I intended to wait for Elempi to post, but if there's popular demand, I'll get cracking after work.

Folwren

08-15-2008, 12:47 PM

It matters not to me who posts next, so long as somebody posts eventually (and the sooner the better). :)

Groin Redbeard

08-15-2008, 02:02 PM

I've got a post up for Lithor starting the festivities after breakfast. Instead of having everyone make a post about coming up to Lithor and asking if they could be in the games, I think that we should just make a list here in the discussion thread.

The games that will be played will be:
Archery
Horse Racing
Racing on foot (probably more for the little ones though):)
Stone Throwing
Wrestling
Dueling ?

Just say which sport/s you want you character to be in.

If I've stepped out of place in organizing this, instead of Elempi or someone else, I'm sorry. I just wanted to get this thing underway before I leave tonight. Sorry if I've caused any inconvenience, and if I need to delete or edit anything in my posts I'll do it on Sunday when I return. :)

Gwathagor

08-15-2008, 02:16 PM

Groin, I'm a little confused as to exactly which tent Lithor is in. Is it the kitchen tent?

I do know that Crabannan will be pretty stoked about these games. Competition is right up his alley, and he hasn't had anything to but haul rocks for a month.

Edit: Hmm. Now wouldn't it be interesting if Erbrand and Crabannan ended up competing alongside/against one another...;)

littlemanpoet

08-16-2008, 01:42 AM

I wouldn't normally borrow somebody's mind, but I'd noticed that many of your Eodwine posts included interspersed thoughts and I didn't want to break with the pattern you'd created. I tried to keep thoughts simple/obvious/descriptive, rather than making a whole bunch of stuff up... But I can not, if you prefer.Don't change a thing. I'm enjoying what you're doing.

Groin, great ideas! Thanks for stepping up with them! Your list is great! :) If there are any other Anglo-Saxon oriented games besides those that Groin lists, we can add those too.

Now to see what Kath was talking about....

Thinlómien

08-16-2008, 12:21 PM

I hate making posts like this... but sorry, I won't post today, I need to use some time to study and it's already late. I will post either tomorrow or on Monday. That is a serious promise. (More serious than Lommy-RPG-serious. :rolleyes: ) I have no idea what's the situation right now, but Foley if you feel like it and something should be done with the kids, you can really just continue, even though it might be a bit boring for you. I hope Modtryth is not needed right now.

Nogrod

08-16-2008, 02:59 PM

I'd add / replace "dueling" with

quarterstaff -fight

That's both a relatively common skill and having that kind of fight is not as dangerous as a swordfight. So for merriment's sake it would be better - even if still something that might lead into a few bruises.

Maybe also

Javelin throwing

...not perhaps how far one could throw it as such, but how accurately - and how far accurately (like the first round from 50 feet, the next round from 80 etc...)?

*just thinking about things Stigend might do well in* :D

Gwathagor

08-16-2008, 03:08 PM

Quarterstaves would certainly be safer than swords. Maybe we do both?

I think Nogrod is on to a good idea with the javelins. Why not change that to spears, one of the Rohirrim's chief weapons, and one in which all the men would have training?

Nogrod

08-16-2008, 03:25 PM

Quarterstaves would certainly be safer than swords. Maybe we do both?I'd say we should not go to a swordplay... it's just a bit too dangerous. But anyway you wish.

Why not change that to spears, one of the Rohirrim's chief weapons, and one in which all the men would have training?A good idea.

Btw. as I now see things have moved forwards quite a bit I'm not so sure whether we should now bring on anything about the kids as it would be going backwards in time in any case. So maybe we just stick to the present of the story? I'm pretty confident the "games" will allow us some opportunities to write them back in interesting enough fashion as they will surely compete more seriously than the adults... ;)

Gwathagor

08-16-2008, 03:29 PM

I suppose swords would be awfully dangerous. :rolleyes:

Folwren

08-16-2008, 05:31 PM

They would have practicing blades, folks. Blunted without points, but properly balanced, most likely. It's definitely do-able.

I don't care what we do with the boys. I was hoping someone (other than me) would decide what Garstan said to them.

Can someone really throw a javelin or spear 50 feet?

Quarter staff fighting sounds like tons of fun. I did that this summer with another friend. She and I really got into it. I got bloody fingers, and a banged head once. It was quite enjoyable.

-- Folwren

littlemanpoet

08-17-2008, 05:56 AM

How many of Scarburg's women will take part in these traditionally manly games? Are there women's games that might be thought of? Or other such games, like what might be good for kids?

Nogrod

08-17-2008, 08:47 AM

The kid's games... someone I think suggested running and that sounds good. Also, they have been practising archery the last few weeks so they should show people what they have learned. But no wrestling, please. I think they have had enough of that already... :D

One possible event could be that old game where two people face each other standing on a log that has ben hoisted up (like a meter or something) and they have heavy sacks as weapons trying to stay on the log and make the other fall. I can't remember the English name for it but I hope you know the sport. In that there might be a female competition as well.

Maybe something like dagger-throwing for the women or something? I mean at least I think the rohanian society was quite a traditional one in respect to male and female roles - with possible exceptions like that of Eowyn - and so the female "games" should be less dangerous and possibly less physical or aiming less to physical damage in the first place.

How about a competition which would include different tasks to perform? I mean tasks that would require agility, firmness of hand, wit and such. It might even be a game for all (also males and kids) as there might be interesting results. The tasks could be something like climbing to get a required object, pebble-throwing, building from pieces of wood a tower of a required height so that it doesn't collapse, figuring out any sort of puzzles, running/crawling/jumping through a track with different obstacles etc.

Or something like that.

Folwren

08-17-2008, 10:06 AM

Whatever games there are for women to do, I imagine they would be designed for the woman to be wearing a dress/skirt - so no climbing could be involved. I kind of doubt that they would be included in any game with weapons (including the knife throwing). I don't remember reading any story wherein a woman took part in any tournament or games. Usually they sit by and be boring.

Not to say we can't break the rules a bit. :D

What about board games, like Nine Men's Morris (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_Men's_Morris)?

No time for more suggestions just now...

Feanor of the Peredhil

08-17-2008, 11:07 AM

I don't remember reading any story wherein a woman took part in any tournament or games. Usually they sit by and be boring.

You should look up Tamora Pierce's novels. Not necessarily realistic, but there are women in combat. Very few female knights (ahem... two.), but the queen's ladies, for example, are highly skilled at archery and such...

In any case, something I read a few years back stuck with me. The scenario was that the castle was under siege and some of the kids were freaking out that there weren't very many men around. Somebody says something about how once when pirates attacked, her aunt had barrels of lard lit and catapulted at the ships. The response was something like, "As any well-reared noblewoman would do."

It stuck with me because it reminds me that even if women aren't classically trained for combat the way men are, they would not be exactly helpless when it came to battle and strategy: they would have at least overheard a lot of what the men knew; couple that with a strong portion of common sense and can you imagine the ire of the matriarch of any family? I for one pity people who draw my mom's wrath. 'Helpless' is not in the vocabulary of most women, particularly way back when. Imagine, for example, Frodidas's prowess with a broom and cooking pot if somebody messed with her kitchen. She would also be well acquainted with what burns easily and what would make the enemies' food spoil if somebody could slip unnoticed into the rival camp. That's certainly a terrifying power. Hungry men don't fight as well.

Women, though perhaps not trained to go out riding on the front lines, would be well acquainted with domestic abilities which could easily be used creatively for defense or offense.

Not that it pertains exactly to a day of manly games... I just wanted to point out that though women were supposed to sit nearby and be boring, when it came right down to it, they were pretty freaking awesome.

But bearing in mind that this is Rohan: the women can ride, and therefore they could race if it was okay for them to do so. Anybody know if it would be acceptable for them to take part in that?

Ooh!

Idea!

Can we have a game of riddles?

Pretty please?

littlemanpoet

08-17-2008, 11:42 AM

Ooh!

Idea!

Can we have a game of riddles?

Pretty please?:) I had the same thought. We really should. Let that happen around the bonfire after the sun goes down.

Groin Redbeard

08-17-2008, 12:44 PM

Groin, I'm a little confused as to exactly which tent Lithor is in. Is it the kitchen tent?
Yep.

I'll add the Javelin throwing and quarterstaff- fight to the list. If we want to, we could make the dueling more of entertainment for the rest of the camp while two experienced fighters battle it out. Several characters that come to mind are Thornden, Eodwine, Crabannan, and possibly Nain.

Can someone really throw a javelin or spear 50 feet?
It was said that any Comanche (that's an American Indian to all you Europeans;)) worth his salt could throw a spear 75yds and kill his foe. A very remarkable feat considering their retarded skills with weapon making. I'd say that we could even stretch the distance a bit when it comes to the Rohirric people.

For the women's games we could include archery and maybe horseback riding; the knife throwing was an excellent idea! Nogrod, you mentioned throwing pebbles, we could do the classic "throw a stone and knock down some cans" trick with them.:) It combines accuracy and a certain amount of strength for the ladies. Also, the ladies would fit in really well with the riddles and singing that will happen later that night.

I still need to have a list of all the games that everyone will be doing. I'll just go ahead and put Erbrand's name next to the sports that he'll be doing. We still have a little time before the games begin, because of Eodwine and Saryen. :)

Archery Erbrand
Horse Racing Erbrand
Racing on foot Erbrand
Stone Throwing Large stones for the men to throw, and smaller stones for the ladies to knock things down with (if we want to do that).
Wrestling
Dueling ?
Quarterstaff-fight Erbrand
Javelin Throwing Erbrand
Riddles

Groin Redbeard

08-17-2008, 01:18 PM

Hmm. Now wouldn't it be interesting if Erbrand and Crabannan ended up competing alongside/against one another...;)
I wouldn't have it any other way! *smiles evilly and rubs his hands* I'm looking forward to it, Gwathagor. :)

Nogrod, should Erbrand go ahead and get the boys without talking to Stigend, or should he wait until he is approached?

Feanor of the Peredhil

08-17-2008, 01:28 PM

Elempi, do you mind if I use the day's revelry to have Degas learn something of lordship from Eodwine? I was thinking something along the lines of Degas not knowing exactly what's appropriate (like, should he take part, or should he watch neutrally), and Eodwine giving him well-disguised lessons on the fact that people who can interact with a leader during fun times will follow said leader during harder ones...

Degas is a bit too proud to downright ask for help (though he's real close, let me tell you), but he'll be eager to learn...

Gwathagor

08-17-2008, 01:46 PM

If we all continue to add our names to this existing list, than we'll have a better idea of exactly who's doing what.

Archery Erbrand, Crabannan,
Horse Racing Erbrand,
Racing on foot Erbrand,
Stone Throwing
Wrestling Crabannan,
Dueling Crabannan,
Quarterstaff-fight Erbrand, Crabannan,
Javelin Throwing Erbrand, Crabannan
Riddles

Nogrod

08-17-2008, 02:24 PM

Archery Erbrand, Crabannan, Garmund, Cnebba
Horse Racing Erbrand,
Racing on foot Erbrand, Garmund, Cnebba
Stone Throwing Garmund, Cnebba
Wrestling Crabannan
Dueling Crabannan
Quarterstaff-fight Erbrand, Crabannan, Stigend
Javelin Throwing Erbrand, Crabannan, Stigend
Riddles
Sack-fight
Dagger-throwing
Task-path

Garmund, Cnebba and Javan should take part in the archery among others as this is no modern society where children are the bosses or treated that differently... :) So they either are good at something or then not... the same goes to racing on foot and especially stone-throwing. Although I think they would not be allowed to wrestle or to duel or that kind of thing...

I added the sack-fight, dagger-throwing and the "task-path" to the list. Let's see if anyone is interested.

With the task-path I mean something like running for a hundred yards then climbing to get an item from the top of a tree or something. Then running again to build a tower from pieces of wood or something and running yet again to build a tent from scratch - and running yet again etc... We could come up with the particular tasks together. And the competants should run in circles somewhat so that the audience might see their performances all the time - and the first to come back after fulfilling all the tasks would be the winner...

Nogrod, should Erbrand go ahead and get the boys without talking to Stigend, or should he wait until he is approached?If you have time in your hands and an idea, go on with it. Whatever you come up with is fine. And at least Stigend will be bothered by the news that Eodwine is going and of the responsibility he has been given so it would be understandable he manages not to pay heed that the kids are not around right now. And it would bring Erbrand and Stigend (and Modryth) to closer contact as well which would be good.

littlemanpoet

08-18-2008, 04:45 AM

Thinlómien

08-18-2008, 09:54 AM

I just read all of the posts. You have all done amazing job - I wish I was able to rep all the recent posts. :D Now I'm off to read this discussion thread and then hopefully I can actually write something...

Eönwë

08-18-2008, 12:50 PM

What about board games, like Nine Men's Morris (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_Men's_Morris)?
Talking of board games, how about tæfl (http://www.heorot.dk/tafl/)?(or is that hnefatæfl?) I've played it a few times, a few years ago and it's quite fun.

As for riddles- that sounds fun. But I suppose that since you have to make up your own I can't use the famous Anglo-Saxon one (or at least a version of it):

Swings by his thigh / a thing most magical!
Below the belt / beneath the folds
Of his clothes it hangs / a hole in its front end,
stiff-set and stout / it swivels about.

Levelling the head / of this hanging tool,
its wielder hoists his hem / above his knee;
it is his will to fill / a well-known hole
that it fits fully / when at full length

He's oft filled it before. / Now he fills it again.

Have you guessed the answer? It's a key!

Anyway, sounds fun.

Archery Erbrand, Crabannan, Garmund, Cnebba, Dan
Horse Racing Erbrand,
Racing on foot Erbrand, Garmund, Cnebba
Stone Throwing Garmund, Cnebba
Wrestling Crabannan, Dan
Dueling Crabannan, Dan
Quarterstaff-fight Erbrand, Crabannan, Stigend, Dan
Javelin Throwing Erbrand, Crabannan, Stigend, Dan
Riddles Dan
Sack-fight
Dagger-throwing
Task-path

The Task-path seems just his sort of thing, but that was for boys and womenn, wasn't it? Anyway Dan definately has enough on his plate as it is.

Gwathagor

08-18-2008, 01:06 PM

Hey, we own tafl, though I didn't know that's what it was called.

Folwren

08-18-2008, 01:45 PM

I am unwell today, and therefore will probably not be posting anything.

I hope to rejoin you all in next day or two. I'm so sorry, especially as I have two posts due.

-- Ellie

Thinlómien

08-18-2008, 01:47 PM

Due to a couple of unexpected and slightly complicated yet hopefully and probably not too serious friendship issues, I didn't have time (or energy) to come up with anything for the Mead Hall today. I should have a little time tomorrow, though, and I will write something. If not for both Modtryth and Cnebba, then at least for one of them.

Gwathagor

08-18-2008, 02:54 PM

RL takes precedence. I hope everything works out OK for you.

Groin Redbeard

08-18-2008, 07:31 PM

I'm sorry to hear that, Folwren.:( I hope that you will feel better soon.

Awaiting your post with great anticipating, Thinlomien!;)

littlemanpoet

08-19-2008, 04:45 AM

My characters will choose their games as soon as I can find some time.

There are two more types of games that have not yet been considered, and I think would be natural:

silly games - such as a rope-tie race; tie two people's legs together with a rope and they have to race together ; or egg-spoon race, etc.

skill games - such as who can solder a broken ladle quickest into a usable one - since this is Harreld's expertise, he would be judge of quality instead of a participant. etc.

Thinlómien

08-19-2008, 07:34 AM

I thought it makes more sense if Folwren continues for the boys (if just for a few lines, whatever she prefers), as Javan was addressed. Also, I hope that what I said about twigs make sense...

littlemanpoet

08-19-2008, 09:26 AM

Archery Erbrand, Crabannan, Garmund, Cnebba, Dan, Eodwine
Horse Racing Erbrand, Eodwine, Rowenna
Racing on foot Erbrand, Garmund, Cnebba, Eodwine
Stone Throwing Garmund, Cnebba, Harreld
Wrestling Crabannan, Dan, Harreld
Dueling Crabannan, Dan, Eodwine
Quarterstaff-fight Erbrand, Crabannan, Stigend, Dan, Eodwine, Harreld
Javelin Throwing Erbrand, Crabannan, Stigend, Dan, Harreld
Riddles Dan, Eodwine
Sack-fight Harreld
Dagger-throwing Rowenna, Eodwine, Harreld
Task-path Rowenna, Eodwine, Harreld
Rope-tie race Eodwine, Rowenna
Build a fire
Wheel barrow race
Rope climbing

any other ideas are welcome for consideration. Anybody who wants to respond positively or negatively to my new ideas, please do.

Groin Redbeard

08-19-2008, 09:51 AM

Great post, Thinlomien!:)

Archery Erbrand, Crabannan, Garmund, Cnebba, Dan, Eodwine
Horse Racing Erbrand, Eodwine, Rowenna
Racing on foot Erbrand, Garmund, Cnebba, Eodwine
Stone Throwing Garmund, Cnebba, Harreld
Wrestling Crabannan, Dan, Harreld
Dueling Crabannan, Dan, Eodwine
Quarterstaff-fight Erbrand, Crabannan, Stigend, Dan, Eodwine, Harreld
Javelin Throwing Erbrand, Crabannan, Stigend, Dan, Harreld
Riddles Dan, Eodwine
Sack-fight Harreld, Erbrand
Dagger-throwing Rowenna, Eodwine, Harreld,
Task-path Rowenna, Eodwine, Harreld
Rope-tie race Eodwine, Rowenna, Erbrand
Build a fire
Wheel barrow race
Rope climbing Erbrand

I took the liberty of adding Erbrand to some of the newer games that have come up. At first I thought that Erbrand might be too tired to play this many games, but he's really excited and enthusiastic about them and that will give him some stamina. He's also not the type to give up.

Kath

08-19-2008, 10:15 AM

Hmm, something like the rope-tie race (which I'm assuming is just a three-legged race) could be done by Kara and Ginna too no?

Eönwë

08-20-2008, 03:08 AM

Dan is going to be very tired...

Archery Erbrand, Crabannan, Garmund, Cnebba, Dan, Eodwine
Horse Racing Erbrand, Eodwine, Rowenna
Racing on foot Erbrand, Garmund, Cnebba, Eodwine
Stone Throwing Garmund, Cnebba, Harreld
Wrestling Crabannan, Dan, Harreld
Dueling Crabannan, Dan, Eodwine
Quarterstaff-fight Erbrand, Crabannan, Stigend, Dan, Eodwine, Harreld
Javelin Throwing Erbrand, Crabannan, Stigend, Dan, Harreld
Riddles Dan, Eodwine
Sack-fight Harreld, Erbrand, Dan
Dagger-throwing Rowenna, Eodwine, Harreld,
Task-path Rowenna, Eodwine, Harreld, Dan
Rope-tie race Eodwine, Rowenna, Erbrand
Build a fire Dan
Wheel barrow race
Rope climbing Erbrand

But wouldn't rope climbing be part of the task-path?

And, what about, as Folwren said, boardgames?

littlemanpoet

08-20-2008, 04:42 AM

Hmm, something like the rope-tie race (which I'm assuming is just a three-legged race) could be done by Kara and Ginna too no?

Thanks, I couldn't think of the right name for it. Three-legged race it is.

If rope climbing is part of the task path, so be it.

Folwren

08-20-2008, 07:17 AM

I might be able to post today, folks. :)

I'll look at the list and see what my characters would like to do.

-- Folwren

littlemanpoet

08-20-2008, 09:57 AM

Kath, Foley, or Fea, in my last post for Eodwine I left a broad opening for any one of you to post next so as we can move this Saeryn/Degas/Eodwine drama to its next captivating installment. Who would like to go first?

Folwren

08-20-2008, 10:14 AM

I will post as soon as I am able, but I do not care of someone goes before me or if I post first.

Feanor of the Peredhil

08-20-2008, 02:36 PM

Lommy, have you taken over writing Lèodern's character? My first instinct was to write Degas/her in a reactionary post, but I don't want to lift your character from you.

Folwren, I'd rather wait and see what Saeryn has to say before Degas gets long-winded, but it's no biggie if you'd rather me put something up.

Folwren

08-20-2008, 04:12 PM

Okay, let's say, first come, first serve, because today has turned out quite different than I thought and I have no idea if I'll be writing anything today or not. I'll try, but that's no promise.

-- Foley

littlemanpoet

08-20-2008, 09:17 PM

Lommy, have you taken over writing Lèodern's character? My first instinct was to write Degas/her in a reactionary post, but I don't want to lift your character from you.Celuien has graciously given any of us permission to use her characters while she is away. Thus, for the time being, Garstan, Garmund, and Léoðern are non-player characters who may be used (with reasonable care) by any who wish to.

And yes, Kath, Ginna, Kara and any other women, even Léoðern, can be in the three-legged race.

Kath

08-21-2008, 08:40 AM

Haha! Well in that case I think Degas and Leodern should run a three-legged race together. :D

Feanor of the Peredhil

08-21-2008, 11:22 AM

Haha! Well in that case I think Degas and Leodern should run a three-legged race together. :D

Ha! That would be amusing.

I just got a mental picture of her wrapping herself around his leg while he runs for it. :D

Kath

08-21-2008, 11:30 AM

I just got a mental picture of her wrapping herself around his leg while he runs for it. :D
Exactly! :D

Groin Redbeard

08-21-2008, 02:09 PM

Since I have already posted for Lithor, and some have already begun to write about his character, I decided to make a character bio for him. Although I will not be writing for him nearly as often as Erbrand, he will be in some of my posts from now on. This is just some information so that he's not known as that random guard that Erbrand hangs out with. :)

NAME: Lithor

AGE: 49

GENDER: Male

RACE: Rohirrim

WHERE FROM: In a tiny village somewhere in the west Wold.

APPEARANCE: Stands at 6'2 feet tall. He has a thick build, but the most impressive feature of him that stands out are his broad shoulders. He has a nest of thick white hair covering his face; this mixed with his cheerful complexion gives him a grandfatherly appearance.

PERSONALITY: Lithor is a strong hard man, yet he is always laughing, except for when he is thinking, and loves having a good time; quite giddy when excited and is constantly cracking jokes. He loves to tutor those younger or more inexperienced then himself and is not afraid to have his opinion known. He sees things in black and white and has little tolerance for philosophical speech. If he were to be described in a few words it would be this: he's a people person.

STRENGTHS: He lives by a strict code of chivalry and is always the first to volunteer. A strong body and sharp wits when it comes to fighting. Optimistic about the future, especially his, and does his best to help others get what they need.

WEAKNESSES: Arrogance, he has a bloated opinion of himself.

HISTORY: Born to a poor family in the Wold and was one of seven children, due to this he learned to do without the comforts that money could buy. His family was always a happy and bore no grudges towards those who had more than they. He grew up slowly with maturity, but showed great integrity when he started excepting responsibility and decided to stay on and help his parents manage their farm. He was the main source of his parents well being and learned to ride and hunt in order to provide his family with their needs. However, when he was in his mid thirties, a sickness overtook many of the old and young in the town, his parents were among those that died.

Dissatisfied with life alone on the farm, he sold it for a cheap price took his bow and horse and joined the army. He soon showed his worth in battle and in leadership, usually by gaining the friendship of many men. Although he was respected by his comrades and superiors he turned down numerous opportunities to gain higher rank, preferring to wait and be assigned to a more quieter post. He got his wish a few years later when he became part of the garrison at Edoras. There he witnessed the declining of Theoden and the coming of the three hunters. He took part in the desperate struggle at Helm's Deep and of the valiant charge of the Rohirrim at the field of Pellenor.

When the the great war was over he was sent with a group of riders to make sure that the the Wild Men of Dunland would not rise up in rebellion. It was there that his superiors noticed his lack of boldness that had always been a part of his character. When confronted on this matter he simply replied that he had seen enough of killing and war and felt that he deserved a quieter post. Feeling that he would be little use to them now, they sent him to be a member of lord Eodwine's guard at Scarburg, in hopes that he would be of more use in a calmer environment.

Let me know if this is a bit too much. I had fun with this bio! :D

Feanor of the Peredhil

08-21-2008, 02:19 PM

Let me know if this is a bit too much. I had fun with this bio! :D

No such thing as too much when it comes to what you know about your character as a 'person.' The better you know the character, the easier it is to write stories about them.

I mean, isn't it easier to reminisce about an old friend than about somebody you've only met a few times?

Firefoot

08-21-2008, 10:09 PM

Just got back and have internet access again... when did this thread get so darn busy?? I seem to have a lot of catching up to do...

I guess I shouldn't complain though.

Thinlómien

08-22-2008, 02:18 AM

Nice bio for Lithor, Groin! :) It's good to know him better. He is actually very much like I imagined him to be, I just got the image that he was 10 or 15 years younger... *dashes off to edit her post a little*

littlemanpoet

08-22-2008, 04:45 AM

When the the great war was over he was sent with a group of riders to make sure that the the Wild Men of Dunland would not rise up in rebellion. It was there that his superiors noticed his lack of boldness that had always been a part of his character. When confronted on this matter he simply replied that he had seen enough of killing and war and felt that he deserved a quieter post. Feeling that he would be little use to them now, they sent him to be a member of lord Eodwine's guard at Scarburg, in hopes that he would be of more use in a calmer environment.
This makes it a natural fit for Lithor to have joined Eodwine; there's a chance that they were aware of, even knew each other, for Eodwine was one of those who were charged to bring order to Dunland after the War.

littlemanpoet

08-22-2008, 10:08 AM

Wow, Fea, you're doing it again. Masterful post.

I expect to post for Rowenna and Harreld, and perhaps Eodwine, today. Who should follow on Fea's post? Eodwine would feel like he's intruding again. Foley, can you write for Saeryn next?

Folwren

08-22-2008, 10:11 AM

Yeah, I can write something. :)

Folwren

08-22-2008, 10:29 AM

Is Rohan under a feudal type stystem? That is, the King has given Lord Eodwine the Mid-Emnet and underneath him are the land holders and beneath them are the serfs? What sort of relationship is Eodwine supposed to have with the other land owners? Is not Degas now a vassal, per say, of Eodwine - now that Degas owns the land in the Folde? So Degas has a sort of allegiance to Eodwine and Eodwine has a responsibility of protection, in a way, for Degas...or am I getting my feudalism all mixed up?

What I want to know is in what way is Eodwine responsible for Degas' land and what happened to it?

Groin Redbeard

08-22-2008, 10:44 AM

Just so y'all know, I'll be gone over the weekend! Folwren, I'd really like to write for Erbrand when I get back, do you think that you could write a post for Javan while I'm gone?:) If you can I'd very much appreciate it, and I look forward to reading everyone else's posts as well. :)

Folwren

08-22-2008, 10:50 AM

Oh, yes, a post will be up for Javan before you get back. Sorry it's taken me so long to get to it as it is. :eek:

Feanor of the Peredhil

08-22-2008, 04:00 PM

So Degas has a sort of allegiance to Eodwine and Eodwine has a responsibility of protection, in a way, for Degas...or am I getting my feudalism all mixed up?

The way I was seeing it was that they're sort of like... neighbors? Both physically and more metaphorically.

Obviously I could be completely wrong. This is what comes of me jumping head first without getting my facts straight.

Does Eodwine have say over Degas? In a more-than-peer sort of way?

The way I saw it was more like Eodwine has equal (perhaps greater) but separate power/influence, and that Degas would go to him as an adviser out of friendship and trust more than out of obligation.

Elempi? Help!?

If I post a basic sort of non-informative Degas post, can you follow it up with whatever reaction of Eodwine's would be appropriate? Whether "Since this is my responsibility too, may I please join you?" or "I'll just stay out of the way unless invited, and let you do your lord thing. Let me know if you need anything."

Firefoot

08-22-2008, 07:02 PM

It looks like I have a free morning tomorrow, so I'll try to get something up especially for Scyld. Maybe Leof too.

Folwren

08-22-2008, 09:59 PM

Hey, Groin! I posted for Javan, and Erbrand can say anything or do anything before they head back up to camp. I didn't want to move them along before you were ready. :)

Groin Redbeard

08-24-2008, 06:52 PM

Hey, Groin! I posted for Javan, and Erbrand can say anything or do anything before they head back up to camp. I didn't want to move them along before you were ready. :)
Thanks a bunch, Folwren. Though I'm kind of disappointed with the way that my post turned out (I wait this long to write a bad post);). I'll have more time to spend on my next one. I'm off to give some reputations. :)

Nogrod

08-25-2008, 06:34 AM

If Rohan indeed is a feudal society - which I think it kind of is (feel free to disagree) - then it would be that lord Eodwine is also Degas' lord. All the landowners are subordinate to their lord who in turns answers to the king of his district. Basically the landowners pay in goods, services or with money and are obliged to send a number of men to arms i dire need. The lord protects the landowners with his men at arms, makes judgement on matters of dispute etc. You all know this I think.

But that feudal system doesn't mean the landlord and a landowner couldn't become close or even friends or that there couldn't be different relations between the landlord and his different "vassals". And surely on Degas' situation the relationship is particularly interesting. Still if Eodwine is going to give Degas noticeably different rights than to others the other landowners would grumble to be sure.

It was indeed part of the original plan (at least some of them) that one source of different plot-lines could emerge from at least some of the mightiest landowners not being too pleased with the King's presence via the Mead Hall in the area they have used to run between themselves.

-----
I think Stigend and Modryth might take part in the three legged race, as well as Cnebba and Garmund. And if Modryth declines then it should be Stigend and Garstan - so fathers vs. their sons... :)

Groin Redbeard

08-25-2008, 07:38 AM

Thanks for that insightful post, Nogrod. Although I pictured Rohan's government to be similar it helps to have people spell it out. :) I also like the idea about the landowner thing. We could possibly turn that into a minor rebellion of the surfs!

Archery Erbrand, Crabannan, Garmund, Cnebba, Dan, Eodwine
Horse Racing Erbrand, Eodwine, Rowenna
Racing on foot Erbrand, Garmund, Cnebba, Eodwine
Stone Throwing Garmund, Cnebba, Harreld
Wrestling Crabannan, Dan, Harreld
Dueling Crabannan, Dan, Eodwine
Quarterstaff-fight Erbrand, Crabannan, Stigend, Dan, Eodwine, Harreld
Javelin Throwing Erbrand, Crabannan, Stigend, Dan, Harreld
Riddles Dan, Eodwine
Sack-fight Harreld, Erbrand, Dan
Dagger-throwing Rowenna, Eodwine, Harreld,
Task-path Rowenna, Eodwine, Harreld, Dan
Rope-tie race Eodwine, Rowenna, Erbrand, Stigend, Modryth, Cnebba, Garmund
Build a fire Dan
Wheel barrow race
Rope climbing Erbrand

OK, I've added your characters to the list, Nogrod.

Firefoot

08-25-2008, 07:55 AM

Don't forget Leof in the horse racing!

Yet to be determined if Scyld/Nydfara will enter dagger-throwing. It's always been a skill he was keen to hide...

Thinlómien

08-25-2008, 08:30 AM

I think Stigend and Modryth might take part in the three legged race, as well as Cnebba and Garmund. And if Modryth declines then it should be Stigend and Garstan - so fathers vs. their sons...Nah, she would do no games. She's just roll her eyes at such nonsense and let Stigend compete with his friend... :D So Groin please, replace Modtryth with Garstan. (Besides, I think that will be quite funny... :D)

Kath

08-25-2008, 09:27 AM

And add in Kara and Ginna to the three-legged if you would, I'll check with Lhuna that I can use Ginna. Frodides will be with Modtryth on the eye rolling. :D

Gwathagor

08-25-2008, 09:28 AM

I also like the idea about the landowner thing. We could possibly turn that into a minor rebellion of the surfs!

Yes, and we all know what happened King Canute of England tried to command the waves...

Folwren

08-25-2008, 09:34 AM

Okay, I think it's time I decided what games my characters are taking part in.

Archery Javan, Thornden
Horse Racing Javan
Racing on foot
Stone Throwing
Wrestling
Dueling Thornden
Quarterstaff-fight Thornden
Javelin Throwing Thornden
Riddles Javan
Sack-fight
Dagger-throwing Saeryn
Task-path Javan
Rope-tie race Javan, Saeryn
Build a fire Saeryn
Wheel barrow race Javan
Rope climbing

I've got a couple questions about certain things.

What is a Sack fight?
What will people be dueling with? Were practice swords decided upon?
What is included in the Task-path (is that relay race of sorts?)
Is Stone Throwing a contest to see who can throw the largest stone or who can aim most accurately with a stone?

littlemanpoet

08-25-2008, 09:37 AM

If Rohan indeed is a feudal societyWell ---- not quite. Feudalism had its beginnings in the remains of the fallen Roman Empire, and actually began in Italy. The Roman Empire was requiring such an incredible burden in taxes from small land holders that they chose to sell their land to bigger land holders, and to work the land themselves as servants of these larger land owners, who over time became strong enough to refuse the demands of the Roman Empire, which of course quickened its demise. THe upshot was that you had minor lords all over Italy, and then Europe as time went by, until the strongest lords began to be able to exact vassalage from their less strong peers.

All this to say that feudalism is not native to Anglo-Saxon culture, after which the Eorlingas are modeled. There was lordship and loyalty, but not the rigidly worked out system of lords and vassals common to the mid- and late - middle ages.

Therefore: everything that Nogrod says is true to a point - so long as we don't adhere to it too rigidly. In fact, King Eomer, by introducing a new principality called Middle Emnet, is actually heightening feudalism in Rohan. (in other words Elempi did it in spite of Tolkien :p )

But is the Folde in the Middle Emnet? I don't think so. I think it's in the East Emnet, which means that Eodwine would NOT be Degas' lord - it would be whoever Eomer gave that role to, having risen to kingship from it himself. Do the books say who?

It was indeed part of the original plan (at least some of them) that one source of different plot-lines could emerge from at least some of the mightiest landowners not being too pleased with the King's presence via the Mead Hall in the area they have used to run between themselves. Sounds good to me.

littlemanpoet

08-25-2008, 09:45 AM

I cross posted with Foley.

I've got a couple questions about certain things.

What is a Sack fight?
What will people be dueling with? Were practice swords decided upon?
What is included in the Task-path (is that relay race of sorts?)
Is Stone Throwing a contest to see who can throw the largest stone or who can aim most accurately with a stone?

I'm not sure what a sack fight is - do you fill a sack with straw and beat each other with it until one leaves the circle?

Let the dueling be with practice swords. You made a good case for it, Foley.

What do we WANT in the task-path? Start saying what it will be, friends!

Stone throwing should not be confused with shot put, which began when cannons were invented. That would be anachronistic. I could imagine that there might be heavy stone LIFTING. But stone throwing ought to be a distance and accuracy thing, I think.

Nogrod

08-25-2008, 09:50 AM

Btw. This wil keep us going for ages... Just look at the number of games. :)

But I think it will be fun anyway.

Therefore: everything that Nogrod says is true to a point - so long as we don't adhere to it too rigidly.Exactly. As you say, this is Middle-Emnet, not continental Europe or British Isles from real history.

Foley: I think I explained the sack-fight somewhere not so long ago. I think it has been quite popular at least in Scandinavia and I'd be surprised if it was not known in other places as well.

If we're going to have a duelling game it should be played with practice swords or wooden ones or something like that.

The task-path was an idea of mine as well and I've speculated of it's contents in a few post lately but as there seems to be little interest to it - even if I think it would be something interesting to write - so we might be skipping it anyway.

I'd say the stone-throwing should be an aiming competition. But why not have the kind of shot-put game as well?

Haha! X'd with lmp...

Nogrod

08-25-2008, 10:07 AM

The battle arena: A log that has been hoisted to a meter or 1½ meter high, about. In the beginning the competants stand at the ends of the log facing each other.

The weapons: A big sack filled with straws, hay, whatever light substance (sand is too heavy). Both fighters have one.

The aim of the game: To stay standing on the log and drop the other one down. To not loose your sack.

Additional rules: None. Everyhing's allowed. But as you need to keep your balance and have a medium heavy sack in your hand there's little room for anything else but trying to beat the other one down with your sack or encouraging the other one to swing the sack in a way the momentum of the swing imbalances the opponent enough to bring her/him down with it.

Winning conditions: The first one to touch the ground or to lose her/his sack is the loser.

Additional information: This is a fun game so hurting the opponent is not the aim. Making a full swing will quite obviusly just inbalance yourself. It has been historically something people have done in the market-days and other public festivities. And if I have my history right also females and kids have been playing it. So it's not a competition where we see who's who but where we can laugh together to the ways how people drop from the log or how they try to keep their balance and look funny.

Nogrod

08-25-2008, 10:18 AM

How about a competition which would include different tasks to perform? I mean tasks that would require agility, firmness of hand, wit and such. It might even be a game for all (also males and kids) as there might be interesting results. The tasks could be something like climbing to get a required object, pebble-throwing, building from pieces of wood a tower of a required height so that it doesn't collapse, figuring out any sort of puzzles, running/crawling/jumping through a track with different obstacles etc.

Or something like that.

With the task-path I mean something like running for a hundred yards then climbing to get an item from the top of a tree or something. Then running again to build a tower from pieces of wood or something and running yet again to build a tent from scratch - and running yet again etc... We could come up with the particular tasks together. And the competants should run in circles somewhat so that the audience might see their performances all the time - and the first to come back after fulfilling all the tasks would be the winner...

Okay. These are my ideas. I could come up with more but what say you? If it feels too complicated or doesn't get any participants we can surely skip it. But let's see if we get good ideas and it starts to sound interesting enough.

Groin Redbeard

08-25-2008, 10:43 AM

Nah, she would do no games. She's just roll her eyes at such nonsense and let Stigend compete with his friend... So Groin please, replace Modtryth with Garstan. (Besides, I think that will be quite funny... )
Sounds good, I'll also add Folwren's character's to the list.

Archery Erbrand, Crabannan, Garmund, Cnebba, Dan, Eodwine,Javan, Thornden
Horse Racing Erbrand, Eodwine, Rowenna, Javan
Racing on foot Erbrand, Garmund, Cnebba, Eodwine, Leof
Stone Throwing Garmund, Cnebba, Harreld
Wrestling Crabannan, Dan, Harreld
Dueling Crabannan, Dan, Eodwine
Quarterstaff-fight Erbrand, Crabannan, Stigend, Dan, Eodwine, Harreld, Thornden
Javelin Throwing Erbrand, Crabannan, Stigend, Dan, Harreld, Thornden
Riddles Dan, Eodwine, Riddles
Sack-fight Harreld, Erbrand, Dan
Dagger-throwing Rowenna, Eodwine, Harreld, Saeryn
Task-path Rowenna, Eodwine, Harreld, Dan, Javan
Rope-tie race Eodwine, Rowenna, Erbrand, Stigend, Garstan, Cnebba, Garmund, Javan, Saeryn
Build a fire Dan, Saeryn
Wheel barrow raceJavan
Rope climbing Erbrand

Just for some clearification, the Stone Throwing contest is where each contestant has a stone roughely the same weight and try to throw it the farthest and the straightest.

Groin Redbeard

08-25-2008, 10:49 AM

Okay. These are my ideas. I could come up with more but what say you? If it feels too complicated or doesn't get any participants we can surely skip it. But let's see if we get good ideas and it starts to sound interesting enough.

I say that we combine the wheelbarrow racing and the rope climbing with the task-path. I think it would be easier if we have those all added into one game instead of having them sperate.

Thinlómien

08-25-2008, 10:52 AM

I say that we combine the wheelbarrow racing and the rope climbing with the task-path. I think it would be easier if we have those all added into one game instead of having them sperate.Maybe we should lump even making a fire into it?

Groin Redbeard

08-25-2008, 11:02 AM

Maybe we should lump even making a fire into it?
Yes, I was thinking that once the race is done that all of the things that the people built would have a purpose. The wood could be waiting for the participants, they each build a tower or a teepee in a close circle, and when the the winner lights the fire we have the bonfire that we were thinking about having in the evening.

So we could start off with the players racing their wheelbarrows to the woodpile and loading them into the wheelbarrows to be raced to where the bonfire will be. Once they have enough wood they race over to a tree with a rope tied to it and climb to get a tinder box, and then run back (all this running is making me hungry;)) to light the fire.

Gwathagor

08-25-2008, 11:39 AM

Btw. This wil keep us going for ages... Just look at the number of games.

Maybe we should cut it down. Or, we could just mention the results of some of the games, rather than narrate ALL of them, which would indeed take ages, especially with so many people involved.

How do we decide who wins which game?

Nogrod

08-25-2008, 02:14 PM

How do we decide who wins which game?We'll fight that over in here... :rolleyes:

I like Groin's idea of putting the wheelbarrow-race and rope-climbing into the "task-path" (we should indeed come up with a better name for it). And the lighting of fire incorporated into it would be both logical and good.

Any other twists or turns to the game?

One idea relating to this would be that this game could be the last one and the competants should build their fires very near each other (like a meter away from each other) so that when the game is over all the fires could be united and that would be the celebration-fire to sing and drink around for good games and the advancement of the building work.

Folwren

08-25-2008, 02:17 PM

I thought the wheelbarrow race was where each person had a partner, one partern got down on the ground in the position as though he were going to do a push up, and then his partner takes his ankles and with his feet thus held, and his hands on the ground, the contestant teams race across a certain distance. Then the partners switch places and everyone races back.

I've played this once - it was fun. :D

EDIT: Groin, add Javan to the sack-fight.

Nogrod

08-25-2008, 03:19 PM

Groin, add Javan to the sack-fight.As well as Cnebba and Garmund... and yes, Stigend...

Groin Redbeard

08-25-2008, 04:33 PM

Archery Erbrand, Crabannan, Garmund, Cnebba, Dan, Eodwine,Javan, Thornden
Horse Racing Erbrand, Eodwine, Rowenna, Javan
Racing on foot Erbrand, Garmund, Cnebba, Eodwine, Leof
Stone Throwing Garmund, Cnebba, Harreld, Erbrand
Wrestling Crabannan, Dan, Harreld
Dueling Crabannan, Dan, Eodwine
Quarterstaff-fight Erbrand, Crabannan, Stigend, Dan, Eodwine, Harreld, Thornden
Javelin Throwing Erbrand, Crabannan, Stigend, Dan, Harreld, Thornden
Riddles Dan, Eodwine, Riddles
Sack-fight Harreld, Erbrand, Dan, Javan, Cnebba, Garmund, Stigend,
Dagger-throwing Rowenna, Eodwine, Harreld, Saeryn
Task-path Rowenna, Eodwine, Harreld, Dan, Javan
Rope-tie race Eodwine, Rowenna, Erbrand, Stigend, Garstan, Cnebba, Garmund, Javan, Saeryn, Kara, Ginna
Build a fire Dan, Saeryn
Wheel barrow race Javan
Rope climbing Erbrand