Scarburg Meadhall Discussion Thread [Archive] - Page 9

Folwren

11-24-2009, 09:55 PM

Feanor of the Peredhil

11-24-2009, 10:04 PM

I would recommend that even if Athanar lets Javan go, so to speak, that one of the original Mead Hallers devises a suitable punishment. Perhaps specifically Saeryn.

Mnemosyne

11-24-2009, 10:25 PM

From my end, I know what Groin meant as Lithor... but I'm not Wynflaed, and her perception has been colored by what her husband just said. But taking things out of context and overreacting is fun.

As far as I can tell we're not looking into the matter of punishing Javan (we still don't even know who did it, yet) until after the banquet is over and we can make some discreet inquiries. And even then Wynflaed is going to want to hear the other side of the story, both because that's good policy and because she knows that these sorts of things don't happen without provocation.

Folwren

11-24-2009, 10:38 PM

I would recommend that even if Athanar lets Javan go, so to speak, that one of the original Mead Hallers devises a suitable punishment. Perhaps specifically Saeryn.

What would be a suitable punishment? I don't really know. My younger brother has never hit a girl before, and Javan's been mostly fashioned after him in a lot of cases.

Mnemosyne (I almost caleld you Wynflaed), I'm glad she wants to hear the other side of the story. :D Aedre really didn't do a good job of telling a very unbiased tale. ;)

I posted for Thornden. Let's hope he succeeds in his plans to cool tempers and avert instantaneous death....I mean, arrest. :rolleyes: Up until this moment, I don't think I quite realized that Thornden was a pacifier. Hm.

-- Foley

Feanor of the Peredhil

11-24-2009, 10:38 PM

Oh good heavens... I just wrote a post in which Degas... feels... sorry - gasp - for Athanar.

You know, I really didn't see that coming, but then I realized that the two characters are really foils for each other. Both are lords walking into a horrible mess that requires shows of power/diplomacy/etc and constant attention in order to regain stability, but Degas did it by showing his people that he is one of them, whereas Athanar seems hellbent on proving that he is their superior.

Degas's theory is that his people are already perfectly well aware of his title. The question is getting them to listen because they want to, not because they must.

So while he's massively irritated that Athanar doesn't seem to understand/care about tact, he's also totally on the guy's side when it comes to dealing swiftly with soldiers/commoners who appear to disrespect authority.

Hence him watching Lithor and Crabannan with what amounts to a bit of disinterest whilst others react with shock.

I'm actually quite certain Degas would like Athanar a lot if they could just work out Saeryn's future in an acceptable manner.

Ahem.

:Merisu:

Feanor of the Peredhil

11-24-2009, 10:44 PM

What would be a suitable punishment? I don't really know. My younger brother has never hit a girl before, and Javan's been mostly fashioned after him in a lot of cases.

Hm... I'm trying to remember what happened the one time my brother hit me. *strains memory* I told my mom. Who told my dad. And then... I think I didn't have the guts to stick around and view his punishment. Which explains why I don't remember what happened.

I'm not thinking corporal punishment. I'm thinking more like... he can work off his offense. Perhaps this could be something that Wynflaed and Saeryn come together to work out? I was thinking perhaps Javan might be made to do tasks for Wynflaed's maid or something for a while. Sort of an assistant. So that through it he comes to know the ladies of the household?

Or not. Random thoughts, and I'm tired and don't feel good, so my random thoughts might actually be terrible, and I wouldn't even know it.

Formendacil

11-24-2009, 11:07 PM

If being a semi-active writer again will permit me the insolence, I'd like to nitpick with the Mead Hall writers generally about a little spelling...

Namely:

"Court Marshal" is not what you think it is. A marshal is a person, and therefore a noun, and therefore, if combined with "court", it must be "the marshal of the court." Well, we all know that Marshals in Rohan are military officers, of the highest rank. Whomever Athanar served before coming to Scarburg, you can bet the Marshal of the Edoras Muster was one.

See... what you mean is "Court Martial"--with "court" as the noun, modified by the adjective "martial"--which you will remember from such phrases as "martial arts" or "martial law"--that is to say, "martial" could be considered to modify a noun such that it now has specific reference to war matters (being a related to the name "Mars"--the Roman god of war). As a soldier, Lithor would be Court Martialled, because he will be tried under martial law--the law that would hold in times of war, when soldiers order justice.

Personally.... I'm not entirely convinced that the Rohirrim of the early 4th Age would have had different judicial systems for commoner and soldier, because I don't think they had a "military" or "standing army" as such. Soldiers, yes--men directly in the employ of the King or Lord to serve martial duty, but I don't think that this would have meant a different relationship to the law than a common Eorling, who, after all, if able to serve and ride would be eligible to be raised in muster during time of war.

However, my personal quibbles about judicial matters aside, if you mean that Lithor will be tried as a soldier in a soldier's court, that court is a Court-Martial. Which is not the say that Elfwine, Erkenbrand, or whomever the Marshal of the Edoras Muster currently is, could not preside in such a court--indeed, I'd think them likely--it's just that they are different things.

~Formendacil - Wannabe Professor and Certified Nerd:p

Folwren

11-25-2009, 07:58 AM

Formy, good catch. I didn't think Marshal was right, but I couldn't think of the proper word.

I, too, wondered about whether or not a court martial would actually be present in Rohan, but I am not an authority on such matters. Elempi was always catching stuff like that and letting us know when to alter stuff. If we decide to try to make things purely Rohirrimic (that's not a word, I don't think), then we could figure out what would be more proper. I actually think that in Rohan there would be no higher court - a soldier would be first subject to their captain and then subject to their lord, and maybe, if the offence were bad enough, could be hauled off to court before the king. That also seems pretty much the exact thing that would happen to a civilian, so I don't know.

----

Fea, I found your post very interesting and from a neat perspective. I had never considered such a reaction from Degas before. I liked it.

And I think it's humorous that you keep putting little tidbits of Saeryn's past into your posts through Degas' memory....do you do it on purpose, to give me insight to her character. :D Thanks.

As for Javan, what do you think if he were made to help Aedre, and not Wynflaed or Lilige? His crime wasn't against the mother or maid. I wrote a story once where one character beat up another pretty bad and then the captain made him be the other boys personal butler for two weeks. It worked pretty well...mostly....

Honestly, we don't have to avoid corporal punishment either. It would probably be perfectly natural and acceptable for that time and place. Plus, it doesn't bug me. But then, if it's Saeryn who's dealing out the punishment, she may not be likely to do that. I could actually see it being more appropriate to happen if they gave him another punishment and he either refused to do it (if he was being made to serve Aedre or something) or, in doing it, he did not do a good job on purpose, or they got into another fight. But then, come to think of it, a second fight would not be left up to Saeryn's jurisdiction but would go directly and almost immediately to Athanar, and then things would be in Nogrod's hands.

I am looking forward to later posts today and seeing how this scenerio in the hall works out.

-- Foley

Legate of Amon Lanc

11-25-2009, 09:22 AM

You do realize, Nogrod (and everyone, for that matter), that all this was in jest? To my eye, Groin writing for Lithor meant Lithor to mean no harm, or at least little harm. But the way that other writer's appeared to take it and have their characters take it goes to show that even a jest may be taken terribly, terribly wrong.
Well sure, as it has been said already, we as players understand how it was meant, however, the characters' reactions are completely different. And it isn't even the point of what the character is like (in personality), not even how we (as players) see him, but what the other characters see of him, from their perspective, given their experiences from elsewhere and their view of things in general. For example Hilderinc encountered (or noticed) Lithor for the second time now, and both times he has drawn negative conclusions from that about Lithor's personality. First impressions are first impressions and one is going to carry them as a note in his mind about the person unless proven otherwise. Had he seen twenty times before Lithor saving children from burning houses or being nice to people, he would feel sympathetic now and think "sure he didn't mean anything bad, he is a good person". But without further knowledge, one may easily think "now this must be an arrogant fool, saying things like that in front of the lord".

But such misinterpretations of character, even though they are really pitiable when we look at them, are what makes the game interesting, aren't they? If everybody understood everybody, there won't be that much to uncover in the characters' relationships.

You know, I really didn't see that coming, but then I realized that the two characters are really foils for each other.

But that's nice! That's what I think is brilliant about having new characters to interact with - you are going to discover (also for yourself, things your own character may not even realise consciously) many qualities which relate your character to another, in one way or another.

Feanor of the Peredhil

11-25-2009, 09:58 AM

Fea, I found your post very interesting and from a neat perspective. I had never considered such a reaction from Degas before. I liked it.

My first thought was what my own reaction would be: that Athanar's seriously over-doing it just now. But it occurred to me that Degas has just dealt with this sort of insolence in his own home, and he's completely unlikely to step in in somebody else's household unless there are women and children being mistreated.

He's there solely for his sister, not for her peasant soldiers that can't hold their booze.

And I think it's humorous that you keep putting little tidbits of Saeryn's past into your posts through Degas' memory....do you do it on purpose, to give me insight to her character. :D Thanks.

Haha! You caught me. Since they're twins, and she's his only living relative, he thinks of her in relation to just about everything, as a matter of course. But there was also an awful lot I knew about her that never got written, so this is a fun way to give you insight into who she was as a kid, even though who she is now is all yours. If you start minding, let me know.

As for Javan, what do you think if he were made to help Aedre, and not Wynflaed or Lilige? His crime wasn't against the mother or maid.

That was my first thought, but I was thinking Aedre might take serious advantage of Javan being told to do as she says. And if Wynflaed's as reasonable as she seems, I think she'd realize that.

Folwren

11-25-2009, 10:38 AM

Haha! You caught me. Since they're twins, and she's his only living relative, he thinks of her in relation to just about everything, as a matter of course. But there was also an awful lot I knew about her that never got written, so this is a fun way to give you insight into who she was as a kid, even though who she is now is all yours. If you start minding, let me know.

Nope, I don't mind it at all. It's great! It is perfect to be able to see what the original writer had in mind for her past, because I currently have an empty canvas right now in my head about her background, and you keep filling it for me. That's superb. Keep it up. :D

That was my first thought, but I was thinking Aedre might take serious advantage of Javan being told to do as she says. And if Wynflaed's as reasonable as she seems, I think she'd realize that.

Of course she'd take serious advantage of it. That's what would make it so insanely fun! But, you're right...Wynflaed will probably realize that. I think I have enough to go with when the time comes to write something.

But such misinterpretations of character, even though they are really pitiable when we look at them, are what makes the game interesting, aren't they? If everybody understood everybody, there won't be that much to uncover in the characters' relationships.

Yes, this is so. I know it...and I don't mind the misunderstanding. I just felt it necessary to voice the fact that I knew he wasn't trying to be evil. :eek: I'm a peacemaker like Thornden is. ;) I also put myself briefly into Groin's shoes. He will be very, very surprised I think when he finds out the uproar his post caused and sees the trouble his character is in. I doubt he's expecting it.

Feanor of the Peredhil

11-25-2009, 11:23 AM

Nope, I don't mind it at all. It's great! It is perfect to be able to see what the original writer had in mind for her past, because I currently have an empty canvas right now in my head about her background, and you keep filling it for me. That's superb. Keep it up.

It's particularly fun because Elempi and I talked at great length about her background, deciding what was acceptable for a woman of the time period, what she would do that was unacceptable. :eek:

Her childhood is fun to fill in, since it's background that won't necessarily directly impact her behavior now, but her recent history is a little tougher, because for me it's scattered over the past six years, but for her, only a year or two has passed, so it will be closer to her memory than to mine.

Like, it occurs to me that it really wasn't so long ago that Saeryn was convinced that Eodwine was still in love with the ghost of his dead wife. But for me? Years have passed.

One of the first action scenes I ever wrote was Degas kicking the crud out of a not-very-nice person whilst in the White Horse. Rand, I think his name might have been.

So really, it's just amusing for me to trawl through my memories of the character and her world and give you insight into her background, which you can then use however you want, including contradicting what may well be a false memory on Degas's part.

Saeryn: "I don't remember that."

Degas: "No, it really happened."

Saeryn: "Not to me, it didn't."

Degas: "Oh, I must be thinking of Caelwyn! My bad."

;)

Groin Redbeard

11-25-2009, 12:22 PM

Holy mule fritters! What in the blue blazes happened when I was gone?! I expected a couple posts showing approval or disapproval of Lithor's challenge, but nothing like him being accused of treason! This makes for an interesting turn of events. Unexpected and fun.

I wrote a post for Lithor that expresses his confusion. He has never been reprimanded in such a sever and public way before and he is not use to rebelling to authority. Lithor is very depressed at his merry making going wrong and being accused of something so sever as treason, so it is expected that he takes the path he did.

Gwathagor

11-25-2009, 02:58 PM

Not sure how Crabannan feels about being compared to a doe in the springtime - but nice touch with the Henry V quote. May as well borrow from the best!

Nogrod

11-25-2009, 03:19 PM

Well, well, well... we seem to have some problems in our hands. :rolleyes:

Okay, first things first. Sorry Groin, but you will have to actually edit your post a bit.

For two reasons: first of all lord Athanar would have stopped Lithor's speech very soon, probably already when he started it. Secondly lord Athanar would not have ordered his men to take him out as a martyr: that would be the most stupid thing he could do on that situation (and with his experience he would sure know not to let happen).

You have written a nice post for Lithor making him a much richer character he has been and thence I think we should let that part stay - even if lord Athanar would have stopped him as I said.

But the ending is more problematic and I do suggest you edit it. If things went like you have described them, lord Athanar is not only a fool but an evil fool - and Lithor's move and the fact that Athanar accepted it just like that, without a word - will leave us a situation where there is little good to be done. And with one post you have decided on my character's characteristics a great deal - into a direction I really wouldn't like to take him.

It leaves us to decide how to settle that ending... I'll go back to re-read it and try to come up with suggestions that would fit lord Athanar's profile.

But on a general note, it's great to see roleplaying getting this intense! Hurray to everyone!

Then let's just find a way out to our characters... :)

And I wish to underline what has been in a way said already, that we really should keep an eye on separating us the writers (and our knowledge of the situation and of each other) from our characters (who are only perceiving things from their POV) - while guiding them forwards.

PS. I only checked the word "treason" from a dictionary while reading the latest posts a while ago... I see now that I wasn't actually meaning that... (I had always thought that "high-treason" was the big one). :confused: Well no use crying over spilt milk. I'll just have to use some imagination if lord Athanar will be pressed on that...

Nogrod

11-25-2009, 03:42 PM

OMG... I don't like what I see. For the closer I read the last post the clearer it is that lord Athanar would have had basically none of it...

But however I try to read it, it's quite clear Athanar would have interrupted at least Lithor coming back to the issue of temporary lordship and especially to his own oath of loyalty. I mean that is the absolutely last line lord Athanar would just listen silently.

I'll PM you some suggestions Groin if we could incorporate some dialogue there... as soon as I can.

It would be sad to keep you others waiting because of this. (With waiting I mean "not knowing the outcome".)

Durelin

11-25-2009, 04:00 PM

Sorry to have disappeared. I'm still going to be pretty busy through this next week as I have papers and projects to finish.

I'm caught up on reading, and regret that I haven't been able to post. I'll start working on a post to put Coen at the banquet and react to things, but I'll wait and see what happens with the last post (I probably won't have a post done until it's all resolved, anyway...)

And personally I'd say 'treason' is pretty close. It's certainly 'contempt' or something. I'm not sure what a better word for it is...hmmm... And not necessarily the 'challenge' idea on its own being treason (though the timing of it is pretty nuts), but the words themselves.

We have a number of characters with a flair for the dramatic, lol. I don't know if Coen can handle this, especially if they are among the soldiers he's supposed to be in charge of!

Folwren

11-25-2009, 05:30 PM

Nogrod, I'd say go ahead and work in some of your writing with Groin's post by PM. It might take a little time, but I for one am willing to wait a little while. :) Sometimes Groin is on multiple times in a day, but apparently, he didn't get on at all for something like 24 hours between his last two posts. Maybe now, though, he'll check up on this more often, since his character is in trouble. :D

-- Foley

Nogrod

11-25-2009, 05:44 PM

Nogrod, I'd say go ahead and work in some of your writing with Groin's post by PM. It might take a little time, but I for one am willing to wait a little while. :)I've just sent Groin some suggestions as to how we could deal with this. If we can get online tomorrow at the same time we could prepare the editing of the post together and if not I have left him a number of lines for lord Athanar to make at different places of Lithor's monologue so that he could choose where to bring Athanar in...

Hopefully we can get this done by tomorrow as it will be the Thanksgiving weekend for you guys and I will be at a theatre festival in another city without a permanent access online. So it would be nice for those who are actually able to post that they would know the situation and thus be able to post.

Thumbs up.

Folwren

11-25-2009, 07:13 PM

I had a thought. Since Lilige had worked with Javan while unpacking the wagons, would she know his name and be able to tell Wynflaed, even though Aedre didn't know?

time for dinner.

-- Foley

Loslote

11-25-2009, 07:48 PM

She does, and can tell Wynflaed as soon as she gets back from the banquet. Lilige will be with Aedre...unless Aedre gave her the slip and went to the stables, but I think Nienna had decided against it? Either way, she'll probably be in her Lady's chamber. It would be natural for Wynflaed to ask if she'd seen who it was, and Lilige can and will tell her. :)

Groin Redbeard

11-26-2009, 01:14 AM

Okay, I've deleted my post until Nogrod and I can get a PM post up together.

Also, as a side note, I would like to add that Lithor's boast was not unusual for the Anglo Saxons to make. It is a tradition that each warrior must do when introducing himself (as seen in Beowulf). Secondly, Lithor's spear throwing in the great hall was also not unusual. My inspiration for it was from Sir Gawain and the Green Knight, where something much more gruesome happened there. A game, song, story, or challenge was not unusual at Medieval banquets. Lithor is doing nothing out of the ordinary there.

Folwren

11-26-2009, 08:54 AM

Nogrod

11-26-2009, 10:17 AM

I don't really think it was the challenge itself that Athanar is angry with. It is the form of the challenge. The beginning of my post with Thornden kind of expresses, I think, what many people might be thinking - how the humor would have been right for Eodwine's time, but not now with this new lord and questions of authority still being bandied about.You're quite right Foley with the "temporary-rule" -issue that it's mainly the way it was said, quite mockingly from Athanar's POV. But calling Athanar and his household "guests", by a soldier, and in public, is actually also something more substantial Athanar can't just tolerate.

Like he has shown the King's decree giving him the eorlship for everyone to see and then hearing someone calling him a guest five minutes later... thus basically publicly denying his authority. No leader would tolerate that, but someone else might have acted less heatedly. :rolleyes:

But as you say Foley, there are so many issues of insecurity and threat around him that he overreacts. If and when we get this thing straightened out during some time and more posting, you'll see lord Athanar has nothing against a merry party... Although I don't think him to be a "party-animal" -type of person himself. :D

Folwren

11-26-2009, 10:56 AM

Yeah, I figured. It was even the 'temporary lord' thing that caught me off guard and not exactly the 'guests' part.

This incident will make it even harder for the new people to settle in and the old people to accept them. I've been kind of thinking about what Javan is doing and thinking all this time. I don't know what he'd be thinking. Sometimes my characters manage to confuse me.

And I may post some post for Saeryn and her thoughts, just so I can fill some time and space before you two get your post up, so it doesn't seem like the game is stalling.

-- Foley

Gwathagor

11-26-2009, 11:18 AM

Hey, um, Nogrod - you keep saying "quests." Do you mean "guests?" Just curious.

Nogrod

11-26-2009, 11:23 AM

Hey, um, Nogrod - you keep saying "quests." Do you mean "guests?" Just curious.I actually do, mean "guests" that is... That's an age old letter-blindness with me... :confused: :)

Gwathagor

11-26-2009, 11:27 AM

Oh, good. Everything makes much more sense now. :)

Nogrod

11-26-2009, 11:32 AM

And I may post some post for Saeryn and her thoughts, just so I can fill some time and space before you two get your post up, so it doesn't seem like the game is stalling.That's a good idea.

We're actually writing the post (we've had two rounds) but I'm not sure when Groin is going to be back - and especially while he has deleted his earlier post there could be a specially good spot to post something in the next hours... (I mean those reactions can of course come also after the dialogue between Ath & Lith but they would be even better posted before.)

Groin Redbeard

11-26-2009, 03:13 PM

Our post is up. Thanks Nogrod!:D

Nogrod

11-26-2009, 03:30 PM

Thanks Groin! It was a lot of fun indeed! :)

It's so different when you can't just decide what happens yourself but someone actually puts you in a tight situation and requires you to really think how your character reacts - and throws your character into a situation you wouldn't have imagined yourself!

As said earlier, this kind of posting is strongly recommended to everyone who just has time!

Thinlómien

11-26-2009, 04:07 PM

OH MY!!!!!!!! :eek: :D :D

Seems like I should never let school take over me and go away from here.

Off to post (and come up an excuse for the WW not to have already interfered!)

Thinlómien

11-26-2009, 05:03 PM

I will continue for the two rascals later (this weekend) and get them more involved with stuff. That's there as a sort of reminder that they exist. ;)

As for what I posted for Modtryth, if someone wants to hear Modtryth's remark and continue, feel free to. If not, I will continue from there myself (I can very well do that). :)

Folwren

11-26-2009, 05:10 PM

Wow, Lommy, in one post you managed to make me have two different reactions while thinking about two different characters. Worry for Javan and righteous indignation in defense of Saeryn. I just about screamed when I read their comments about her. Good job!

Nogrod and Groin, great post! Poor Lithor! Poor man, having insulted him at the last. Oh wow. Yippee! Posts can get back online. I am SO excited!

-- Foley

Thinlómien

11-26-2009, 05:29 PM

You love my new characters, Foley, don't you? :p;)

Groin Redbeard

11-27-2009, 10:13 AM

I got a post up in defense of Lithor. It is obviously bias, but I could not stand to watch everyone tare him up without some type of defense. I'll have to think hard on how to change Lithor's attitude back around, I don't want him to be a depressed angry character (that is what Erbrand is for).:D I'll have Lithor lay low for a while, stay in the shadows and pop out every now and then when needed.

Durelin, Lommy, nice posts. I like Coen a lot and I hope that we hear more from him in the future and I want to see those twins interact more with original Scarburg characters.:D

Nogrod, are you going to post for the grumpy old man character soon? I want to see how he fits in with his new surroundings. :)

Folwren

11-27-2009, 11:03 AM

You love my new characters, Foley, don't you? :p;)

Love is hardly the word I would use to describe my feelings for them. ;)

Groin, I don't think that Lithor need become a depressed, angry sort of character. His actions, words, and behavior thus far in the game seem to make him out to be the sort of man that eventually, he would let his ill feeling go. If he indeed knows he's not guilty, then he'll be more likely not to be depressed. As for the angry...well, I can see him being angry as long as Athanar and others continue thinking he was guilty and he feels he wasn't. That will make him think he's being unjustly judged and condemned. But if he's a responsible fellow, he'll do his best to get rid of the anger and carry on with life, allowing them to be wrong in their impressions of him.

Don't hide Lithor. Take the opportunity to build his character.

-- Folwren

Groin Redbeard

11-27-2009, 06:28 PM

Don't hide Lithor. Take the opportunity to build his character. I won't hide him forever, but building his character might be dangerous to his reputation. The thing I like about Lithor is that nobody knows the intricate details of his past, so I can throw little tidbits of information in as I go. After the details of something is known, especially history, it loses its attraction.:)

Formy, that was an awesome line at the end of your post: "elvishily impractical." What a great line!:D

Formendacil

11-27-2009, 07:08 PM

Formy, that was an awesome line at the end of your post: "elvishily impractical." What a great line!:D

Thank you, sir. It was a happy little moment of inspiration, I though.:p

And because I've been asked elsewhere, I'll clarify Náin's situation so that the rest of you are clear...

Because Náin has the misfortune to have as his writer a student who is sporadically able/unable interested/distracted, depending those sordid things known collectively as "real life", what I've told Nogmod is that Náin will still be attached to Scarburg--but he doesn't permanently live there. It fits well with his history/situation thus far: he's something of a goodwill ambassador from the Dwarves to the Rohirrim, so he's back and forth between Gimli at Aglarond and the Rohirrim--in theory Éomer in Edoras, but mostly on loan to Scarburg as a "consultant," to use the modern term, and as a sculptor for some of the finer bits of the hall, like the fireplace mantle, etc.

What this means, in practical terms, is that Náin will around as often as I am--if it's month or two when I'm too busy or distracted, Náin will conveniently be away that day/week at Edoras or Aglarond... but otherwise he'll be at the Hall. And if things turn out that I am able/interested to be around all the time... then it'll conveniently just be the days that we don't roleplay when he's off.

Sound good?

Groin Redbeard

11-28-2009, 10:50 AM

Hurry back soon Formy.:(

I have decided to take Folwren's advice and expand on Lithor's thoughts, though I was very careful not to expand on his past (that must be kept allusive and alluring;)). I also took the liberty of speaking for Kara for two sentences. Kath, let me know if I need to change anything.

Feanor of the Peredhil

11-29-2009, 04:27 PM

I'll be out of touch for a bit- my computer got sick and needs some organ transplants, so I won't have it for a few days at least.

Make good art while I'm gone!

Nogrod

11-29-2009, 04:59 PM

What a perfect timing to come and read the thread! :D

Nogrod, are you going to post for the grumpy old man character soon? I want to see how he fits in with his new surroundings.Ahh... I had actually forgotten about him... Yes, sure.

But now I'm off to sleep.

Btw. I used the quite modern expression of a "good cop or a bad cop" for I wanted you all to understand what he means (even if it's just him thinking to himself). But if anyone of you would suggest a bit more ancient sounding metaphor to it's place I'd gladly change it as it kind of sounds a bit off to my ear at least...

Folwren

11-30-2009, 08:55 AM

Btw. I used the quite modern expression of a "good cop or a bad cop" for I wanted you all to understand what he means (even if it's just him thinking to himself). But if anyone of you would suggest a bit more ancient sounding metaphor to it's place I'd gladly change it as it kind of sounds a bit off to my ear at least...

I agree. I wondered why you used it. :D I'll try to think of something.

Groin and I have written a post together. I didn't want to post it until someone had posted after Groin's last post to see if people really cheered for Saeryn. I will not post it quite yet, although Nogrod did post. I will wait to see if anyone else has aught to say.

How much more of this night needs to happen?

-- Foley

Thinlómien

11-30-2009, 12:04 PM

How much more of this night needs to happen?A bit of Wulfric and Wilheard... ;) But I shall do that today or tomorrow.

I want to see those twins interact more with original Scarburg characters.You just want Erbrand to get mad at them, eh? :p

Folwren

11-30-2009, 12:23 PM

ooh! I hope you post soon, Lommy! I like reading about those two infidels!

Legate of Amon Lanc

11-30-2009, 03:55 PM

ooh! I hope you post soon, Lommy! I like reading about those two infidels!

Haha! Exactly. While they are absolutely disgusting, I really like reading about them. (Well, but even then, they are funny. I really liked that first post where one of them made the sound of the horse :D That was actually cute!)

I am not sure if I have any particular inspiration now to write for Hilderinc, sufficient to say, he cheered too :D But if I get any brilliant idea, I may write for him... or then if anybody wants to interact...

Folwren

11-30-2009, 04:21 PM

I posted the post that Groin and I wrote together. I would have waited for Legate to post, but I don't know if I have internet at home and I will not be anywhere with sure internet again for a few days. Legate can still post, though.

-- Foley

Legate of Amon Lanc

11-30-2009, 04:30 PM

Wow, that's a great post (in several senses of the word, for sure... :) ).

Nogrod

11-30-2009, 05:55 PM

Let's wait for Lommy to post - and anyone who wishes!

But then we could roll this thing forwards.

Are the writers of the soldiers willing to write something on the practising the next day? We might make a few posts for the next day just to get in the mood of how people feel when sober after a confusing banquet. :)

Lord Athanar at least should settle the matter with Lithor... and that should involve Thornden, Coen and maybe Lithor himself, I think. We should decide on that here.

Talking of that: great post Foley and Groin!

Mnemosyne

11-30-2009, 07:06 PM

Nog, do you want our characters to debrief the whole day in private discussion?

Aside from that I'm fine with moving forward. Tomorrow (in game) I'm planning on addressing the matter of Javan with Saeryn so we can come up with some sort of effective consequence... provided my two good-for-naught sons don't come up with something on their own! :eek::eek::eek:

Feanor of the Peredhil

11-30-2009, 07:38 PM

Degas needs to have a Very Important Conversation, but not until after the feast, and the only people who need to know what the Very Important Conversation is about already know.

So whenever all y'all are ready to move on, no need to wait for me.

Nogrod

12-01-2009, 03:00 AM

Nog, do you want our characters to debrief the whole day in private discussion?We probably should make a post for the two. The situation in general and the issues with Javan and Lithor in particular should be discussed by the two at least shortly - and that way we could also start building their relationship as to how they talk and behave when together.

Fea, would that "Very Important Conversation" take place after the banquet but on the same day, or the next day?

Legate of Amon Lanc

12-01-2009, 04:40 AM

I was thinking about making some interaction of Lithor and Hilderinc tomorrow (game time) - that is, if Lithor is available for the training and Groin is not too busy otherwise. I PMed Groin about it, so let's see.

Thinlómien

12-01-2009, 06:42 AM

I'm sorry the two are messing up a bit or possibly prolonging stuff, but I think that if

a) someone wants to come up with a random or intended distraction for them, go for it, and we need not prolong the Lithor issue

b) Groin will post for Lithor soon (he can notice he's being followed) and we can settle it quickly

it need not take so long. But yes, if anyone wants to see Wulfric & Wilheard stalking after Lithor or run to them randomly, go for it.

Nogrod

12-01-2009, 07:28 AM

I think action takes precedence over ending a day... :D

This is actually going crazier every day! What a soap-opera one could make from this! :rolleyes:

So get yourselves involved people and let's have some more fun with this!

Although I think people should be able to post also for some "post-banquet" things already as well (if you have some such things in mind), as long as they deal with the same evening.

Feanor of the Peredhil

12-01-2009, 10:06 AM

Fea, would that "Very Important Conversation" take place after the banquet but on the same day, or the next day?

Either one's fine. I'll slip it in when an opportunity arises, so don't worry about me.

Feanor of the Peredhil

12-01-2009, 10:12 AM

The boys know that Saeryn is as much a noble as they do, right? They're just being crude creeps?

Don't get me wrong, I love the problems they cause, and every time I see them trashing Saeryn I want to go slap them silly, I just want to make sure they know that if Degas heard them refer to his sister like that, he'd be torn between either pounding the snot out of them or going to Athanar to report their behavior.

Hey now... *has idea*

Not now, though. No time now for ideas... Sigh.

Groin Redbeard

12-01-2009, 11:11 AM

Everything is looking grand!:D I'll get a post up for Lithor soon.

Groin Redbeard

12-01-2009, 01:20 PM

I posted for Lithor. Let me know, Lommy, if it was alright that Lithor found the boys out. Old people just seem to know things like that.:D If you would rather have the boys approach Lithor, I'll change my post.:)

Folwren

12-01-2009, 02:34 PM

Once more, I'm offline for less than a day and I come back to find people busy and bees....

To se records straight, I, too, feel very protective of Saeryn, and I don't think Degas will be the only one infuriated if he finds out about their thoughts/behavior/words. :eek:

And, Fea, that is MEAN to say "Hey now" and then not give your thought! That's like saying, "Hey, [put any name here]!" "What?" "Never Mind." :mad:

I'll go read the thread.

EDIT: Lommy, Lommy, Lommy....you do manage to make people riled up. You have developed two wonderfully perfect jerks. I like 'em.

Also, Nogrod, how 'bout for you 'good cop, bad cop' thing, he could just think 'hero vs. villian' type of thought.

-- Foley

Feanor of the Peredhil

12-01-2009, 04:24 PM

And, Fea, that is MEAN to say "Hey now" and then not give your thought! That's like saying, "Hey, [put any name here]!" "What?" "Never Mind." :mad:

I was thinking it might be highly entertaining to have the boys overheard while they're talking smack, but while I was trying to think who the opportune person to overhear them might be, I had to run off on errands of Major Importance.

Good news is that my school deadline got pushed back in the wake of my computer's need for gastrointestinal and optical surgery (hear that, Ni? My camera should be all better soon), so I'm not as rushed or as stressed.

Now that I've got a minute, I'm thinking Degas might not be the best person to overhear the boys. Maybe their own mother. :eek:

Everyone knows the threat of a mom is worse than just about any other one...

Folwren

12-01-2009, 05:15 PM

But when? The boys were talking like that when they were outside the hall and everyone else was listening to Lithor and Athanar duke it out? You're talking about later, right?

I am sincerely hating school this evening. Bah!

-- Foley

Mnemosyne

12-01-2009, 05:18 PM

Fea, is that a request?

Thinlómien

12-02-2009, 05:30 AM

*feels worried for her two little darlings* ;) :p

And yes, Fea, they know she's a noble, but they think a "countryside" noble who has close relationship to her folk is as good as peasant herself... :rolleyes:

Your post was good, Groin. I'll think of a reply later today and post it. Mnemo, if you want to overhear them talking to Lithor, you can take over after my post (if that's ok for Groin). Actually, wow, that would be really cool, Lithor sort of "saved" by Athanar's wife. Ooh...

Gwathagor

12-02-2009, 10:13 AM

Hey, great posts everyone. This is coming along splendidly!

Folwren

12-02-2009, 11:17 AM

Your post was good, Groin. I'll think of a reply later today and post it. Mnemo, if you want to overhear them talking to Lithor, you can take over after my post (if that's ok for Groin). Actually, wow, that would be really cool, Lithor sort of "saved" by Athanar's wife. Ooh...

I had a thought. Any time now, Javan and maybe the other boys will be slipping away from the tables....they could come across them first and then run in for help, maybe...if Lithor is being maltreated.

Mnemosyne

12-02-2009, 01:07 PM

If they end up finding Athanar and/or Wynflaed first, we still don't know specifically who hit Aedre... It could make things a bit more interesting for later.

Plus the boys already talked about beating up Javan, and once we've put everything together this would make excellent motivation.

I don't, however, know whether it's in character for the lads to go and fetch help from the new eorl and his lady, especially if they're worried that they're going to be in trouble at some point.

Just some thoughts.

Groin Redbeard

12-02-2009, 01:12 PM

I don't, however, know whether it's in character for the lads to go and fetch help from the new eorl and his lady, especially if they're worried that they're going to be in trouble at some point.Perhaps they could run to Thornden and have and have Wynflaed overhear what they say.:)

Thinlómien

12-02-2009, 01:14 PM

You think my rascals would beat Lithor or something? *innocent face*

I think they need not to start with violence... :smokin:

Folwren

12-02-2009, 01:17 PM

You think my rascals would beat Lithor or something? *innocent face*

That's somehow what I thought their intentions were. Innocent face, indeed!

Mnemosyne, you are right - they would not go directly to Athanar or his wife, but they might go to Saeryn, and very probably go to Thornden. He can be back at his place by then, if that's how we want to do it.
And then Wynflaed can over hear. If I write a post, I can stop it right where they are speaking their stuff and then Mnymosyn can take from there?

Thinlómien

12-02-2009, 01:20 PM

Werewolf deadline is in two hours, I'll start writing after that at the latest. :) If you Foley want to write for the boys, feel free to.

Folwren

12-02-2009, 01:24 PM

Werewolf deadline is in two hours, I'll start writing after that at the latest. :) If you Foley want to write for the boys, feel free to.

I shall wait until you have at least posted the beginning of a quarrel worth noticing....from the boys' perspective, you must understand.

I guess this means I can borrow Cnebba and Garmund?

Thinlómien

12-02-2009, 01:37 PM

I shall wait until you have at least posted the beginning of a quarrel worth noticing....from the boys' perspective, you must understand.

I guess this means I can borrow Cnebba and Garmund?Yes, I actually meant you may write after me, sorry for being unclear. :rolleyes: :) And yes, you can borrow them.

Thinlómien

12-02-2009, 03:30 PM

There you go. Foley and Groin, you may continue.

And just a general reminder: Wulfric and Wilheard might be two ridiculous idiots, but they are two dangerous ridiculous idiots, don't take them too light-heartedly. They might overestimate themselves, but they are warriors with excellent training and strong and swift young men, not to mention that they are Athanar's sons, so their status protects them.

*evil grin*

Folwren

12-02-2009, 03:36 PM

And just a general reminder: Wulfric and Wilheard might be two ridiculous idiots, but they are two dangerous ridiculous idiots, don't take them too light-heartedly. They might overestimate themselves, but they are warriors with excellent training and strong and swift young men, not to mention that they are Athanar's sons, so their status protects them.

What! Are you saying they're better than all of us ol' Scarburgians? ;)

Good post. It makes me wonder what will be said when they tell Athanar, "You're right hand man, Thornden, is plotting against you." :rolleyes: :eek:

I can't post just yet. I may wait until Groin posts, or something. We'll see. But regardless of who posts when - my paper must be done before I write on this.

-- Foley

Feanor of the Peredhil

12-02-2009, 03:47 PM

Fea, is that a request?

Yes'm. If it's something that interests you. :)

Mnemosyne

12-02-2009, 03:53 PM

Well, as soon as Wynflaed gets word...

Nogrod

12-02-2009, 04:52 PM

Oh my!

We seem to be sitting on a barrel of black powder - and everyone sitting on it is smoking! :D :rolleyes: :eek:

Legate of Amon Lanc

12-02-2009, 04:58 PM

Wonderful mess :D

Mnemosyne, you are right - they would not go directly to Athanar or his wife, but they might go to Saeryn, and very probably go to Thornden.

Indeed that is what would make sense - but if he was the one to come there, wouldn't it be even a bit... well, worse? :D "Why are you plotting something with Thornden?" - "Look, they are attacking Lithor! Can you tell what they are saying?" "No, I can't hear the words. But let's bring help somewhere, quick!" "Master Thornden!" - "So what's going on here?" "HA! Criminal returns to the place of crime! The second conspirator is here!" :D

Folwren

12-02-2009, 11:41 PM

Legate, that would be very interesting indeed...but that would cut out the plans for Mnemosyne's character. Besides, I think it'd be more interesting with Wynflaed stepping in. :)

Hm....I was going to post all the way to the point where the boys tell Thornden. But then I decided that since Lommy and Groin did not have the confrontation worked up to any heat yet, I should not. So, I'm going to post the post the way I have it now and just have things getting started. I can just about promise that as soon as Groin or Lommy or both get at least one post up, I will be able to get my 'rushing in and telling' post pretty quick.

-- Foley

Folwren

12-03-2009, 01:42 PM

Groin, I laughed aloud with Lithor while reading your post. It suddenly seemed funny to me, too...Good writing. :D

I can't do anything now, so Lommy....you're up next. *waiting anxiously to see how things transpire*

Thinlómien

12-05-2009, 06:21 AM

There's your violence. I'm sorry W&W are not being as idiots as they could be ;) but I told you, they're not total fools and they can be dangerous...

Anyway, Foley, I think now the boys would have enough reason to run for aid. ;)

PS. Groin you may decide if Lithor falls to the ground, I was thinking not ( = that wasn't Wilheard's intention), but if you want him to, go for it...

Folwren

12-05-2009, 09:30 AM

Sweet! My post is up. Mnymosyne, you can post now. :)

-- Foley

Mnemosyne

12-05-2009, 11:55 AM

All right. I have a busy day ahead, but I'll try to sneak something in in the evening.

Groin Redbeard

12-05-2009, 12:11 PM

Excellent! Lommy and Folwren, both of you did fun posts. My heart was racing with unbridled excitement when I saw that y'all had posted. I shall get something up before tonight.:)

Looking forward to your post, Mnemosyne! I can't wait to bring Wynflaed into this.

Gwathagor

12-05-2009, 12:23 PM

Anybody mind if Crabannan joins the altercation? He's in that kind of mood.

Groin Redbeard

12-05-2009, 01:29 PM

Anybody mind if Crabannan joins the altercation? He's in that kind of mood. I'm fine with it. The more the merrier, or in this case angrier.:D

I have my post up! I thought of having Lithor do something physical, but I realized that that was more of an Erbrand move. Therefore, I choice to do Lithor's talents and wound the two young men with some insults.:)

Legate of Amon Lanc

12-05-2009, 05:11 PM

Ugh. Is Lithor planning to die? :eek:

But even better if Crabannan joins... I am looking forward to this... really curious. :cool: I guess even if nobody else intervenes, this is going to become a major topic among the people and it will influence everybody's opinions a bit more again. I am really looking forward to that.

And I should note here, I know most of the people are from the "old" Scarburg, but you must take into account that the "new" people know nothing about the original inhabitants at all, and even if they don't have any prejudices or bad attitude towards the "old" people, if all they hear is "they speak nastily to lord Athanar", "they gainsay to authorities" and "they fight with the Lord's sons", oh my, we are really just creating the gap between the "old" and "new" ones... :eek:

Thinlómien

12-06-2009, 01:44 PM

Lithor's committing a slow suicide... :p

I will think of this and post something at least here soon, but for now Gwath's itervention and handling of my characters looks good. :) But yes, if there's no intervention really soon, it will be a brawl... :eek:

Thinlómien

12-06-2009, 01:57 PM

Love it, Mnemo. :D

Mnemosyne

12-06-2009, 01:58 PM

Wynflaed's on her way.

Foley, I hope you don't mind that I asked Thornden along for backup. It would only be fair to honor the boys' request (she still doesn't know who punched her daughter), plus she doesn't have enough information to know whether it really is her sons or not. And that makes a good show of coruling/transition/whatever.

Once she does arrive and sees her sons, she'll handle them from there on her own. I'm not sure how Thornden would fit into this, though, especially if eventually Wynflaed takes her sons' reports of treason seriously.

Mnemosyne

12-06-2009, 01:59 PM

Love it, Mnemo.

Hehehe... wait till we meet up! :D:D:D

Thinlómien

12-06-2009, 02:03 PM

Hehehe... wait till we meet up!I'm waiting for that... the guys necessarily aren't! :p;)

Nogrod

12-06-2009, 03:25 PM

This is interesting indeed! :)

But others should have something to do while this little drama unfolds outside... for I don't think all the people should rush out there. Feel free to come up with any interactions or just private thoughts...

One thing that comes to my mind is whether Degas would discuss with Athanar as he would probably have come down from his seat for the meal and thus sit on the same table?

Folwren

12-06-2009, 04:21 PM

Foley, I hope you don't mind that I asked Thornden along for backup. It would only be fair to honor the boys' request (she still doesn't know who punched her daughter), plus she doesn't have enough information to know whether it really is her sons or not. And that makes a good show of coruling/transition/whatever.

That's fine. I'm inclined to not post yet and wait for others to post and just see how things carry on. I often feel like I rush things by posting too quick or something.

-- Foley

Gwathagor

12-06-2009, 07:26 PM

I took the Cyrano cue from you, Groin. Hope you don't mind, it worked out pretty well.

Folwren

12-06-2009, 08:03 PM

I took the Cyrano cue from you, Groin. Hope you don't mind, it worked out pretty well.

I am so amazed. In my entire life, I have never met anyone outside my family who knew about Cyrano, and here, apparently, in one day, I have discovered two others...

Groin Redbeard

12-06-2009, 08:17 PM

I took the Cyrano cue from you, Groin. Hope you don't mind, it worked out pretty well. Thank you Gwath! I finally get to meet someone who knows Shakespeare, Shaara, and Bergerac! :D

Gwathagor

12-06-2009, 08:25 PM

Thank you Gwath! I finally get to meet someone who knows Shakespeare, Shaara, and Bergerac! :D

Remnants of a classical education, to quote Sayers. ;)

Groin Redbeard

12-06-2009, 08:37 PM

Great post, Mnemo!:)

And I should note here, I know most of the people are from the "old" Scarburg, but you must take into account that the "new" people know nothing about the original inhabitants at all, and even if they don't have any prejudices or bad attitude towards the "old" people, if all they hear is "they speak nastily to lord Athanar", "they gainsay to authorities" and "they fight with the Lord's sons", oh my, we are really just creating the gap between the "old" and "new" ones... Indeed, but the same goes for the newcomers. After all, these brawls never broke out until the newcomers came to town.:D So much tradition in one day is being tossed aside. I do not know about you, but I HATE it when a good working system is tossed aside, especially when it is to dabble in something that is uncertain of success. As long as our characters feel as if they are being stepped on, they'll bite the heel of person who stepped on them! Folwren's characters will be of great importance in this new hall. For the future, my characters will try to do a little more bonding with the newcomers (Lithor has already made enough enemies;)). Though such obvious bullying by Athanar's sons would be punished, even in the old hall.

Folwren

12-06-2009, 08:45 PM

And I should note here, I know most of the people are from the "old" Scarburg, but you must take into account that the "new" people know nothing about the original inhabitants at all, and even if they don't have any prejudices or bad attitude towards the "old" people, if all they hear is "they speak nastily to lord Athanar", "they gainsay to authorities" and "they fight with the Lord's sons", oh my, we are really just creating the gap between the "old" and "new" ones... :eek:

Indeed, but the same goes for the newcomers. After all, these brawls never broke out until the newcomers came to town. So much tradition in one day is being tossed aside. I do not know about you, but I HATE it when a good working system is tossed aside, especially when it is to dabble in something that is uncertain of success. As long as our characters feel as if they are being stepped on, they'll bite the heel of person who stepped on them!

Great points, both of you - points which I had already considered. Something I love is that many of the new characters also have new writers, who also know very little about the old characters, which means that the writers may well have some of the same misconceptions as the characters. It's awesome.

Folwren's characters will be of great importance in this new hall. For the future, my characters will try to do a little more bonding with the newcomers (Lithor has already made enough enemies;)). Though such obvious bullying by Athanar's sons would be punished, even in the old hall.

Eh, I'm trying. ;) Poor Lithor. The thing that gets me the most is that he is just trying to make friends, and everyone keeps taking him wrong and making him an enemy. That would be a sore trial for anyone.
Such bullying would be punished, even in the old hall, you are right. I think that it would have been interesting to see what Eodwine's reaction would have been. I, for one, think that Saeryn will be very, very angry. If nothing is done about them, it will be hard for her to hold Javan (who appears to have been guilty of a similar crime of bullying Aedre) to a higher standard, when Athanar's own sons are permitted to do something like this to Lithor. But I speak too swiftly - we don't yet know what is going to happen.

-- Foley

EDIT: Adding - I hope you post something, Groin, tonight (or soon) before Thornden and Wynflaed come out. But, then again, I guess it's really Lommy who needs to post for the two W's next. (I don't know if I'll ever be able to remember their names.) Is she still alive in WW? I think she needs to be voted off/lynched. *innocent whistling face*

Mnemosyne

12-06-2009, 08:54 PM

I am so amazed. In my entire life, I have never met anyone outside my family who knew about Cyrano, and here, apparently, in one day, I have discovered two others...

Three.

Groin Redbeard

12-06-2009, 08:58 PM

Three.

Can I hear four?:D

Very good point Folwren. I say that we don't force people to write one way or the other, just go with the flow. :) I won't have a post tonight but I will work on one and have it up tomorrow morning.:)

Gwathagor

12-06-2009, 09:03 PM

Let's have a party.

Folwren

12-06-2009, 09:04 PM

Looks like we are having a party. What time is it for you three - Groin, Gwath, and Mnymosyne?

EDIT: I have an idea. Let's see if we can get a chat skwerl in this far corner of the Downs!

Gwathagor

12-06-2009, 09:07 PM

7:00 Pst

Folwren

12-06-2009, 09:15 PM

Thought so. I'm at 9:00 (about) P.M.

Mnemosyne

12-06-2009, 09:56 PM

Ugh, unfortunately my attention really cannot be on this thread at the moment. Currently on page 3 out of 10 pages discussing Coriolanus from a pomo perspective...

Gwathagor

12-06-2009, 10:01 PM

I am also in throes of paper-writing - analyzing various story elements in Pan's Labyrinth.

Mnemosyne

12-06-2009, 10:04 PM

Gosh. I'm jealous...

Traditional storyline analysis, Joseph Campbell, or "Ohmivalarit'sallametaphorforpuberty"?

Gwathagor

12-06-2009, 10:11 PM

None of those. It's a short paper and doesn't involve a general approach to the story - just identifying and discussing various specific story elements (ala Lajos Egri) within the film.

Mnemosyne

12-06-2009, 10:14 PM

If it's short then I'm especially jealous. Early page 4 now...

Feanor of the Peredhil

12-06-2009, 10:18 PM

Really, guys, I majored in literature. I read everything.

:cool:

Gwathagor

12-06-2009, 10:23 PM

You win. There was never any question. We're squabbling over second place.

Mnemosyne

12-06-2009, 10:27 PM

Plus we're trying to make Foley feel loved for reading and knowing Cyrano.

Feanor of the Peredhil

12-06-2009, 10:46 PM

Heh. I'm sure she knows Cyrano ten times better than me, since I'm just vaguely familiar, versus she seems quite excited.

Call me when you want to talk about Neil Gaiman. I'm more of a contemporary kinda girl.

Gwathagor

12-06-2009, 10:48 PM

"There was once a young man who wished to gain his Heart's Desire." And so on.

Feanor of the Peredhil

12-06-2009, 10:51 PM

Tell me about my beloved England!!!!!!!!!!

Mnemosyne

12-06-2009, 11:13 PM

Augh. I wish there were time for a Stardust-shaped break in my work.

Folwren

12-07-2009, 08:36 AM

Plus we're trying to make Foley feel loved for reading and knowing Cyrano.

Loved? No indeed, you are making me feel less special. ;)

Just kidding. It's awesome. Cyrano is by far one of the family's favorite plays and we are familiar with a good sum of plays....

You guys partied without me last night. I went to bed before 10.

Nogrod

12-07-2009, 11:04 AM

Foley and Fea!

I've moved the discussion inside the Mead Hall forwards. :smokin:

Folwren

12-07-2009, 12:57 PM

Carry on without me - I'm not sure when I'll be able to post. May not be till tomorrow.

Mnemosyne

12-07-2009, 01:02 PM

Lommy, do you want to up the tension just a little bit more before you get busted?

Legate of Amon Lanc

12-07-2009, 01:19 PM

Lommy, do you want to up the tension just a little bit more before you get busted?

I cannot speak completely for her, but today she told me something like "I really hope Wynflaed comes there soon". Also not sure when she might post. So I think you might as well post without waiting for her and it's maybe even better (unless she wants the boys to say something to Lithor, but then it might as well be just better to avoid it, as they might be somewhat in the mood of preferring to say it to Lithor's head once it is away from the rest of his body).

Mnemosyne

12-07-2009, 01:36 PM

K. I'll try to get something up as soon as I'm finished with this pesky paper... (one page to go!)

Durelin

12-07-2009, 03:15 PM

Nogrod

12-07-2009, 04:06 PM

It's nothing important, so no worries if nothing comes of it before we've moved on from the banquet.I guess you have ample time... Seeing the discussion through inside and outside might take a few days.

So go on Dury! It would be nice to see those two interact...

Looking at what Foley said it would be nice to see you posting Fea...

Thinlómien

12-07-2009, 04:14 PM

Feel free to act now, Mnemo and Foley... :) I'm sorry Groin, but I just couldn't see it ending otherwise. Note the interesting twist, though. ;)

As for punishing the bullies, where's your common sense, darlings? I'm afraid nobles do have the right to "eavesdrop" on their folk and Athanar is hardly likely to bash anyone for accusing Lithor of treason since he did it himself... :Merisu:

Legate of Amon Lanc

12-07-2009, 04:15 PM

Coen has gone over to have a word with his soldiers which I guess means he's basically gone over to have a word with Hilderinc, Legate. Heh.

It's nothing important, so no worries if nothing comes of it before we've moved on from the banquet.

Yes, very nice, Dury. I am actually already in the process of writing a post... let's see if I get it done now. :)

And I see something's happening even otherwise...

Mnemosyne

12-07-2009, 04:23 PM

Whoa!

Lommy, was that an aim, or a hit? Will Lithor duck in time?

Thinlómien

12-07-2009, 04:40 PM

Whoa!

Lommy, was that an aim, or a hit? Will Lithor duck in time?I'm leaving the decision to the next writer, whoever it is. ;)

Nogrod

12-07-2009, 04:40 PM

O... M... G... ! :eek:

Lommy, you're such a menace! ... well your characters are...

I'm kind of backing away from the stance that lord Athanar would be very easy on everything his sons do... I clearly promised too much there. :p

Nice posts Form and Dury!

It would be nice if we have some spare time during this day that Athanar would notice Náin smoking a pipe as well. That might serve as an introduction between them, and if not on this banquet-night, then the next day or something.

And belated thanks to Fea for giving me a nice lead to turn the general discussion of politics of Gondor into the pressing problems he himself - and the Mead Hall - has!

Groin Redbeard

12-07-2009, 04:48 PM

(unless she wants the boys to say something to Lithor, but then it might as well be just better to avoid it, as they might be somewhat in the mood of preferring to say it to Lithor's head once it is away from the rest of his body).
I'm sorry Groin, but I just couldn't see it ending otherwise. Note the interesting twist, though.;) Too late Legate!:eek:

Lommy, was that an aim, or a hit? Will Lithor duck in time? I half expected things to go this way and that is why in my last post I made it vaguely clear that Lithor would not fight, since he had offered both of them grievous insults (plus, as a thought of my own, I think it would be beneath an elderly man such as him to be fighting with people less than half his age).

I almost took it as far as a fight in my post, but that was me, talking not Lithor. I have Lithor feeling sort of hollow inside right now. It is the sort of feeling when you lose something that you are so dependent on in life (in his case, laughter);however, he is coming out of his depression. That punch in the face could be what he needs to awaken him.:D Anyway this is turning out great!

I love all your posts Dury, Nogrod, Formy, and Lommy! I will get something up tomorrow morning.

Thinlómien

12-07-2009, 04:49 PM

Hey, why is everybody against my characters?

Somebody local has attacked their little sister and they don't know who it was or what happened.

Their father has been insulted, and there has been treasonous talk against him on the first day of their arrival although their father has tried to be fair to the locals.

They themselves have been insulted and their authority and rights have been questioned, and they have been patronised and belittled.

I would be pretty ****ed off too.

edit: haha 'downs censors me, I guess it's just fair although I didn't expect that! :eek:

Groin Redbeard

12-07-2009, 04:59 PM

You can be mad in a prudent manner. Such lords should not act in such low behavior as shoving.:) Although I quite agree that it is in their right to do, Lithor's talent is with words and he won't attempt to actually fight his superiors unless they showed some gross disrespect to his friends.

It is as a famous play writer once said:

The gentler gamester is the soonest winner.

Indeed, our characters make good points on which to be respected, but it is no fun when we only look at the dull, narrow, view of our characters. It is

Mnemosyne

12-07-2009, 05:04 PM

Okay, I figured brawls were getting a little old...

Lommy, you had better have a good explanation for what you were doing.

Nogrod

12-07-2009, 05:21 PM

Oh how I love Wynflaed!

But Mnemo, shouldn't it be W & W who have something to explain and not Lommy? :rolleyes:

I was actually a bit afraid it might have gone over the top there but now I think we have chances to talk this out... even if not without some further pain... :)

Heh, how to deal with all the wrong-doings of the first evening? It's not too easy to be a lord and face all that... ;)

Mnemosyne

12-07-2009, 05:29 PM

But Mnemo, shouldn't it be W & W who have something to explain and not Lommy? :rolleyes:

Shush. I enjoy vaguely conflating players with their characters... it means I can boss your daughter around. ;)

By which I mean you're absolutely right and I'm just a lazy typist.

Legate of Amon Lanc

12-07-2009, 05:50 PM

Okay, so I have posted - Dury, I don't know if Coen actually has any much better opinion about Thornden than Hilderinc, but it does not matter, it's for the sake of conversation and I am putting it there as a bait for you - you can think about it (as Coen, or also as yourself in relation to Coen), expand it or whatever... I am sure you will know how to use it.

I have also used two of the soldier characters Nogrod used in some of his posts a long long time ago when the newcomers arrived... just so that we remember there are plenty "existing" characters to use for "background interludes" (like I have just used them).

Oh how I love Wynflaed!
Yes, brilliant :D

Heh, how to deal with all the wrong-doings of the first evening? It's not too easy to be a lord and face all that... ;)
Your men stand behind you, sir! ;)

Anyway... I like the life in the Hall. Looking forward to how we are going to proceed.

Gwathagor

12-07-2009, 05:52 PM

It is as a famous play writer once said:

The gentler gamester is the soonest winner.

There you go quoting Henry V again.

Feanor of the Peredhil

12-07-2009, 07:24 PM

Nog, I left an opening for Athanar to start pondering the situation we discussed. Not sure when you'll want to activate Plan Awesome, but there's now a solid reason for his mind to head in that direction.

:smokin:

Nogrod

12-07-2009, 09:11 PM

Fea: I used it, partly... we're going into that direction... :)

Heh, the next question becomes that if Athanar manages to show his qualities with the local lords and is looking for a transfer into a better place, would the Mead Hallers actually want him to stay or leave - or could he himself fall in love with the place & people and not wish to leave? :D

Okay, we have time to play this and no one needs to make her/his character any more easy because of that thought.

Let's see how it goes.

Groin Redbeard

12-07-2009, 09:15 PM

There you go quoting Henry V again.I love that play!:D I can't escape it!

Anyway, I think that it is about time to introduce some proper new characters to Scarburg:) who aren't soldiers.

NAME: Girth

Age: 33 years young

APPEARANCE: Girth’s height is no more than five feet. Girth’s size is a credit to his name, as round as a barrel from his legs to his head. The hair on his head is few and is as yellow as a daisy. He dons a broad brimmed hat and the most humble of clothes.

TRAITS/BEHAVIOUR: A simple peasant, Girth knows no ambition or aspirations for future promotion. Each day passes like the next, Girth does not think of tomorrow, he lets tomorrow worry about itself. Content with anything and anywhere, Girth knows no contempt for his fellow man if he is left unmolested. An extremely simple man, Girth chooses to be grateful for the few blessings that he is graced with. He owns nothing, not even the staff in his hand is his. All that he uses belongs to his lord. He takes great pride in small accomplishments. “A small accomplishment is the foundation of a big thing. And that is not a small accomplishment.”

HISTORY: One day is like the next to Girth. Girth was born to Grim the Swine Herder under Athanar’s father and Girth has proudly inherited the title as swine herder. Though swine herder is his chief pride, he watches all the cattle, sheep, goats, and poultry that are in Lord Athanar’s camp. His friends are many. All who come across his path that he likes he calls a friend. The closest friend of Girth is a frazzle haired, skinny, young man by the name of Hamrod. They both have adopted a tramp dog who they have cleverly named Dog.;) Both eagerly await the new life at Scarburg.

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Linked (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=551131&postcount=2) ~*~ Pio

Nogrod

12-07-2009, 09:23 PM

Hmm, interesting new characters I see... :)

Let's see how they will fit into the mix!

Gwathagor

12-08-2009, 12:23 AM

Girth the swine-herd, eh? Been reading Sir Walter Scott, have we? Maybe it's just coincidence this time...but "Girth" is very close to "Gurth." :)

Groin Redbeard

12-08-2009, 08:50 AM

Girth the swine-herd, eh? Been reading Sir Walter Scott, have we? Maybe it's just coincidence this time...but "Girth" is very close to "Gurth." :) No, I got the name Girth from my character's size. I thought it was fitting. :) Besides, I never liked Scott. He had too many personal vendettas against Catholics.;)

Thinlómien

12-08-2009, 09:12 AM

Nice to see stuff happening. :) Mnemo and I are going to write a post together today... *evil grin*

Nogrod, could you change this part of your post:

Modtryth was just coming to pour them some more wine when lord Athanar suddenly spread his hands with a seemingly bright idea crossing his mind.

His right hand hit the winecase and a lot of wine poured down to his lap. He turned his eye to Modtryth only to see her shaking all over in fear. "What is your name woman?" He asked in a stern voice while wondering if she was indeed a dunleding... Now what is this... a dunleding in my Hall... I clearly know not half of what is going on down here.

"Modtryth, sir, wife of Stigend the carpenter and the humble servant of the eorl... and lady Saeryn..." Modtryth managed to answer.

"Well Modtryth, it was my fault... you were only carrying out your duties. Fill our goblets and then get a towel for me." He said now quite softly even if determinatedly, looking at the woman beside her.

"Sure my lord... just a moment..." Modtryth said and filled the goblets and thus went away to search for a towel.

Lord Athanar seemed not to care of the wine poured on his lap but leaned forward.

"If the inheritance is the problem, I think we could come up with a solution..."

Looking at the confused faces of Saeryn and Degas lord Athanar almost laughed out aloud.

"Now listen to me... this will be between ourselves and not leaked into the commoners... not even to master Thornden... right?" He looked for the accepting nods from the two.

"I'm here on an assignment from king Eomer but I have no idea of spending my retiring years here... so whoever takes the leadership of the Mead Hall here after my duties are fulfilled, and I get a promotion from the king, it's pretty much same to me... so how if we could come up with an arrangement that you lady Saeryn would be the inheritor of this place? If king Eomer is not knowledgeable of your child or has just not thought of it... then we could act by ourselves, or ask his blessing on our deal?"

Modtryth came with the towels and together the two tried to clean as much they could. After a few minutes lord Athanar asked Modtryth to leave.

to this:

Modtryth was just coming to pour them some more wine when lord Athanar suddenly spread his hands with a seemingly bright idea crossing his mind.

His right hand hit the winecase and a lot of wine poured down to his lap. He turned his eye to Modtryth only to see her grow pale. "What is your name woman?" He asked in a stern voice while wondering if she was indeed a dunleding... Now what is this... a dunleding in my Hall... I clearly know not half of what is going on down here.

"Modtryth, sir, at your service," she replied curtly, eyes downcast. "I'm the wife of Stigend the carpenter... and the humble servant of the eorl, and lady Saeryn."

"Well Modtryth, it was my fault... you were only carrying out your duties. Fill our goblets and then get a towel for me." He said now quite softly even if determinatedly, looking at the woman beside her.

"Sure my lord," Modtryth said and filled the goblets and thus went away to search for a towel.

Lord Athanar seemed not to care of the wine poured on his lap but leaned forward.

"If the inheritance is the problem, I think we could come up with a solution..."

Looking at the confused faces of Saeryn and Degas lord Athanar almost laughed out aloud.

"Now listen to me... this will be between ourselves and not leaked into the commoners... not even to master Thornden... right?" He looked for the accepting nods from the two.

"I'm here on an assignment from king Eomer but I have no idea of spending my retiring years here... so whoever takes the leadership of the Mead Hall here after my duties are fulfilled, and I get a promotion from the king, it's pretty much same to me... so how if we could come up with an arrangement that you lady Saeryn would be the inheritor of this place? If king Eomer is not knowledgeable of your child or has just not thought of it... then we could act by ourselves, or ask his blessing on our deal?"

Modtryth came with the towels and together the two tried to clean as much they could. After a few minutes lord Athanar asked Modtryth to leave.?

Basically I kept your main idea - Modtryth being sort of scared by Athanar - but modified her behaviour to a more characteristic way and took out some waffling and three dots that I wouldn't write for her myself. ;)

Folwren

12-08-2009, 11:36 AM

I am amazed and thrilled to see so many posts both here and on the gamethread! You guys are AMAZING!

I posted...I know it is an extraordinarily lame post, but you must forgive me - I am unexpectedly sick and I am not thinking very well nor very creatively. :( But I didn't want to hold things up.

So, I provided fuel to the fires of The Nobles Conversation and the conversation amongst Lithor, Crabannan, and Thornden.

-- Foley

EDIT: Groin, I just read Girth's bio. He sounds wonderful. If Javan ever turns into an outcast again (not that he was ever QUITE an outcast, but you know) then I think I'll have him stumble across Girth.....

Nogrod

12-08-2009, 01:36 PM

You're too modest Foley!

Those were good entries moving both situations forwards and enabling a number of reactions. Excellent!

PS. Lommy, I will make the corrections you suggested...

Thinlómien

12-08-2009, 02:01 PM

There's the post, Mnemo and I wrote it together (and as you can see, Mnemo wrote most of it since her character was kind of having monologues... ;)).

Mnemosyne

12-08-2009, 03:10 PM

Hush. Wynflaed happens to like having monologues...

Nogrod

12-08-2009, 04:16 PM

Wonderful post Mnemo & Lommy!

I loved this especially! If you truly think that Athanar and I will do nothing in defense of this treachery and treason, then you have forgotten--we both of us grew up and lived--and survived--under the court of Grima Wormtongue. I assure you, compared to those dark years, these intrigues are child's play.Soo true!

Do you people have lots in mind for this day to continue? If you do please go forwards. But if not, I might be happy to change the day in a few days (RL). I think we need to have a few posts... like the boys addressing their father, maybe something on Thornden / Lithor / Crabannan, maybe Degas saying something... any reactions from the others?

Also I kind of suggest that we make a little hearing the next day where at least Lithor, W & W, Thornden, Coen - and maybe Saeryn, Degas & Wynflaed would be attending. And if Wynflaed knows Javan is the culprit, then him as well - or he could be fetched in if that thing would be revealed during the discussion.

Then lord Athanar would call his verdict...

Should that be before the soldiers have their excercises or after that?

What do you think about the plan in general?

Legate of Amon Lanc

12-08-2009, 04:43 PM

Do you people have lots in mind for this day to continue? If you do please go forwards. But if not, I might be happy to change the day in a few days (RL). I think we need to have a few posts... like the boys addressing their father, maybe something on Thornden / Lithor / Crabannan, maybe Degas saying something... any reactions from the others?

Don't forget Coen replying to Hilderinc (and maybe again a reply back).

But yes, otherwise - as for me, the plan's okay.

Groin Redbeard

12-08-2009, 04:48 PM

Hush. Wynflaed happens to like having monologues...So does Lithor!:eek: Fortunately, I suppressed all my urges to do a monologue in my post that I just put up. It is kind of BLAH! but it moves things along. Let me know Mnemo if it was alright that I had Wynflaed join Thornden. You post with Lommy was fun! However, I do believe that it could have ended better if there was some show of violence on Wynflaed's part.:D

I like the plan, Nogrod. I like the way things are moving.:)

Mnemosyne

12-08-2009, 07:33 PM

Now, now, Groin, a lady of the Eorlingas does not strike her own brood, even when they deserve it...

But it's okay that you had Wynflaed join this group. She'll probably just observe for the time being.

Folwren

12-08-2009, 08:04 PM

Ha. I can well imagine Eowyn smacking one of her brood, if they deserved it.

I posted a very, very brief post for Thornden...not only had I nothing more to say for him, I am also on a very brief break from class and must get back right this instant. Bye!

-- Foley

Mnemosyne

12-08-2009, 08:23 PM

Yes, but this was after she had gotten herself all Ithilienified, so there. :P

Durelin

12-08-2009, 09:08 PM

Groin Redbeard

12-08-2009, 09:42 PM

Now, now, Groin, a lady of the Eorlingas does not strike her own brood, even when they deserve it...How antidramatic.:(

I have a post up for Lithor that finishes him for the day. I am all set to move on for tomorrow.:)

Folwren

12-08-2009, 10:32 PM

Although I addressed Crabannan in my last post, I am ready and willing to go onto the next day. But just incase things linger on in the hall, I figured I'd at least give Gwath another chance to post. :)

-- Foley

Legate of Amon Lanc

12-09-2009, 10:27 AM

Hope my post is alright, Legate! And I'll look at picking up one of the soldier NPCs as a sort of secondary character. I really enjoy how you include the various personalities all yourself, though I feel kind of bad that you aren't getting much interaction with just a whole group that basically you have so far written for (though beautifully) by yourself. And that you have been stuck carrying them all along really by yourself. If you know what I mean?

My brain isn't working too well...hopefully my post on the in-character thread makes more sense than this one......

Perfect, Dury! I was thinking about that too - though for the time being I am fine enough with having them as background "reply pitchers". I was using them mainly so that we don't forget them and their original at least basic character traits (the little that's been shown - funnily enough only one of them was originally introduced by me). I think it's not a problem to be carrying the guys around by myself now - it was suitable for me and right now the situation is fitting for that, I think (and hope) that in the future when the people in Scarburg start to interact more and get out of their distinctive "class bubbles", there will be interaction of everybody with everybody (well, at least more or less).

I think the main "problem" (but it's not really been that big of a problem this far) for me so far was that Hilderinc is somewhat alone in his "box", as all the others can interact with other people from similar rank or "cathegory", so that was one reason for me why to write for those NPC soldiers a lot more, because there are no player characters of the same "class" as Hilderinc. As normally others can interact with each other - "new" nobles with "old" nobles, "old" peasant folk among themselves, and the high-ranking soldiers can interact to a certain extent with both (thus being "transitive"), yet Hilderinc, being basically the only one who is both new AND not noble (with the exception of Groin's new character - but even he is of somehow different class, he's a "mere" peasant, where Hilderinc is a pure soldier) had this far somewhat more limited chances of interaction. But I think that's just for the beginning and I expect that it will change especially after tomorrow's training, where the local men will get to know Hilderinc better (and he gets to know them), and also possibly after other activities which people of both the "new" and "old" Mead Hall will be doing together. The nobles had to interact with each other already, but the common folk effectively didn't as much yet, so that's still to come.

That said, I will post a reply for Hilderinc soon (during a few hours, hopefully).

Folwren

12-09-2009, 10:51 AM

Yes, but this was after she had gotten herself all Ithilienified, so there. :P

I disagree. I picture the Gondorians less likely to slap someone than a Rohanian.

That is to say, I politely disagree. :D

Feanor of the Peredhil

12-09-2009, 11:59 AM

I concur with Foley. Possibly because I think of the Rohirrim as a Viking culture, and that means hawking loogies and punching as a means of showing affection.

Folwren

12-09-2009, 12:23 PM

I concur with Foley. Possibly because I think of the Rohirrim as a Viking culture, and that means hawking loogies and punching as a means of showing affection.

Uuum...not so much the hawking what-ever. That's just gross. More Western American than anything else. I think they're more civilized than Vikings. Consider, the guards washe the stones where Wormtongue spat.

-- Foley

Nogrod

12-09-2009, 02:57 PM

I think they're more civilized than Vikings. Consider, the guards washe the stones where Wormtongue spat.The Scandinavians actually thought in the Middle-Ages (and long before that) that washing oneself every once in a while was a pretty smart idea - unlike people in the more "civilised" cultures of Europe who thought washing oneself was dangerous to your health and thus the problem of smelling bad should be just dealt with adding another layer of perfumes on top of all the previous dirt... (and that happened as late as the 18th century!) :D

I mean if you think in terms of hygiene the Scandinavians with their saunas were ahead of their time for thousands of years.

On a more serious deliberation...

Lommy promised to post for the boys contacting their dad soonish - and I have told her that she should make Athanar dismiss them and wish to hear them better the next day. So there will not be a lengthy to and fro between lord Athanar and his sons.

So how about we aim at changing the day during the weekend? That would give you two to three days to finish anything you wish to finish for the day of the arrival of the new people.

Then on Saturday or Sunday we could begin the next day.

How about that? Do you think you have enough time to do what you wish to do for this day?

Feanor of the Peredhil

12-09-2009, 03:06 PM

Uuum...not so much the hawking what-ever. That's just gross. More Western American than anything else. I think they're more civilized than Vikings. Consider, the guards washe the stones where Wormtongue spat.

Blame my watching The 13th Warrior. Now I've got this interesting triumvirate in my head of Beowulf/Rohan/Spit.

It might not be legit, but it's there.

Folwren

12-09-2009, 03:13 PM

So how about we aim at changing the day during the weekend? That would give you two to three days to finish anything you wish to finish for the day of the arrival of the new people.

Then on Saturday or Sunday we could begin the next day.

How about that? Do you think you have enough time to do what you wish to do for this day?

Sounds fine by me. :) I'm looking forward to the next day. It seems like a lot is going to happen.

Thinlómien

12-09-2009, 05:05 PM

I'll make the post either now or tomorrow, depending how I tired I get now and whether something's happening in ww or not. As for the weekend, I won't be around, but that shouldn't thwart any plans I guess...

Legate of Amon Lanc

12-09-2009, 07:35 PM

So I have posted at last, it took a lot longer than I thought...

Anyway, I think Nogrod's plan sounds good. Whether Coen is going to go on saying something more (I can still post something tomorrow, today, toyota - ha, ha, I just realised this could be interpreted as [feeble] half-Finnish joke) or not, I think we will basically head it to the end (I will have in any case Hilderinc yet walk away and remark something about the people in the Hall or so, but that's just passive thing as he'd be going to sleep).

Folwren

12-09-2009, 10:24 PM

Formendacil, I love your posts. I wish there was a way for your character to interact with other players' characters. Maybe on the following day. Just wanted to let you know that I like it when you write and although no one has engaged you, doesn't mean you're not appreciated.

-- Foley

EDIT: I guess I should say that I may not be here much this weekend...not sure how much I won't be on, but I know that my time will be restricted very much Saturday and Sunday and probably Friday.

EDIT #2: I do not mean to imply that we should put off going forward to the next day. I think we should - as soon as possible. Just wanted to let you all know.

Formendacil

12-09-2009, 10:32 PM

Formendacil, I love your posts. I wish there was a way for your character to interact with other players' characters. Maybe on the following day. Just wanted to let you know that I like it when you write and although no one has engaged you, doesn't mean you're not appreciated.

Awww! Thanks, Foley! It's okay, though--I'm getting quite a kick out of writing my "Náin's Dwarven Observations Commentary Series".

BTW, there have been so many posts on the planning thread that I gave up looking for Wulfric and Wilheard's ages. I was writing with the idea that they are 20 and 17ish--plenty old enough for man's work, but if I'm grossly off, I assume I'll be informed, and I'll have to edit Náin's thoughts accordingly.

Thinlómien

12-10-2009, 04:46 AM

BTW, there have been so many posts on the planning thread that I gave up looking for Wulfric and Wilheard's ages. I was writing with the idea that they are 20 and 17ish--plenty old enough for man's work, but if I'm grossly off, I assume I'll be informed, and I'll have to edit Náin's thoughts accordingly.You could've had a look at the character list in the beginning of the discussion thread. ;) Anyway, you're very correct, they are 21 and 17. :)

Legate of Amon Lanc

12-10-2009, 08:56 AM

Just a note (for Durelin, mainly) - the fact that I posted again does not mean that I would dismiss the idea of you posting still. I just felt like posting something, but the whole thing might have taken like a few seconds in real time - so if Coen still has something to say, Hilderinc is listening...

Awww! Thanks, Foley! It's okay, though--I'm getting quite a kick out of writing my "Náin's Dwarven Observations Commentary Series".

Yea, and I like that too - it's absolutely brilliant to see these "background evaluations of the human race from the outside" :D And you are writing it very "believably Dwarvish", too.

Feanor of the Peredhil

12-10-2009, 09:20 AM

And you are writing it very "believably Dwarvish", too.

That's because he's actually a Dwarf.

Legate of Amon Lanc

12-10-2009, 09:26 AM

That's because he's actually a Dwarf.

But if this is a consular Dwarf...

...where is the beard?

(a stupid joke, ten points for those who get the referrence)

Groin Redbeard

12-10-2009, 10:34 AM

I'm so glad that you did not leave us just yet Formy. You write an excellent Dwarf!:D

Legate, I found it amusing that you keep writing posts with almost nothing but observations. That is exactly how I started out with Erbrand and Lithor. Although, don't feel to shy about having Hildernic interact with non soldiers. I hope that Hildernic learns that Scarburg is a small family like community.;) Let's see if toMorrow we can interact as planned.:)

I'm going to put up a post with Girth and Erbrand to clearly explain where they stand.

P.S. W&W crack me up, Lommy!

Folwren

12-10-2009, 12:01 PM

Wonderful post, Groin! I loved it! Erbrand is turning out to be quite an interesting character. In fact, ever since this new eorl came, everyone is turning out to be a interesting character. It's been so much fun! At least that is one balm to Elempi's departure. :( *sniff*

I was wondering, how can Lithor sleep on such a night? I mean, that's find, but what does he expect to happen the next morning? It'd be awful.

-- Foley

Legate of Amon Lanc

12-10-2009, 12:05 PM

Legate, I found it amusing that you keep writing posts with almost nothing but observations. That is exactly how I started out with Erbrand and Lithor. Although, don't feel to shy about having Hildernic interact with non soldiers. I hope that Hildernic learns that Scarburg is a small family like community.;) Let's see if toMorrow we can interact as planned.:)
Yes, sure. That's all for tomorrow, though. And Hilderinc is a bit more of an introverted type, or at least, not one who would run around the place and start chatting with everybody on "Hi, I just saw you and was interested who you are, what do you do, how old are you and what do your parents do". Recently I have been thinking about him talking to Erbrand, for example (on the occassion of thanking him for his playing) - but then, as the day is basically planned to end, I didn't see any reason to starting it now and decided to rather leave it be, after all, we will get chances surely in the future for the same (whenever they stumble upon each other). And he actually made this decision for himself to devote tomorrow to getting to know the place and also the people, so I think there will be plenty space for interaction.

This far, it was even okay for me to sort of try to figure out what would Hilderinc think about various people only from observing them - so that I can think even for myself what his initial attitude towards them might be, and at the same time maybe you others can learn something about his character, too.

Groin Redbeard

12-10-2009, 12:14 PM

Sounds good, Legate. I like the way that Hildernic thinks more than he says.:)

I was wondering, how can Lithor sleep on such a night? I mean, that's find, but what does he expect to happen the next morning? It'd be awful.Have you ever been sad? I mean really miserable, betrayed by someone you love kind of sad? Well, if you have ever been that sad then you know that it is absolutely exhausting!:eek: The first blow is the worst, after that you begin to accept the pain. I wrote not too long ago for Lithor: "Tomorrow I'll take it like a man, tonight I'll take it all I can." He does not know what tomorrow will bring, but I he does not care. This whole situation has happened so abruptly that it does not feel entirely real (another side affect to being really sad).:)

Nogrod

12-10-2009, 03:43 PM

Great posting!

You know, I'm soo happy about this!

I mean I remember I kind of wawered when Pio and lmp suggested whether I would like to take the Mead Hall to run after lmp got away. I mean I wasn't that sure it was a good idea (and I insisted I'd have Lommy as my co-host). It was enticing but I was not sure how it would work seeing how masterfully lmp handled things...

Well you have proved all my doubts so wrong!

Love you!

Looking at your answers, let's say we change the day sometime during the weekend? Before that (today, tomorrow RL) feel free to continue the evening!

Nogrod

12-10-2009, 04:54 PM

Lord Athanar has had a stressful day and then a few goblets of wine too much... :rolleyes:

But he managed to make things clear for the time being.

Sorry about the monologue but I thought only to just bring the thing forwards...

Anyone wishing to react to that ending, please do it. I can answer it if needs be before the day-change (we're plotting a shared post for Athanar & Wynflaed before the day-change and it is hopefully posted on Saturday). Or just end the situation with your posts. As you wish.

Folwren

12-10-2009, 11:26 PM

Wow, that post did NOT turn out to be what I expected. Here I thought I'd get it written and up in fifteen minutes and it took an hour, and ended up being about tow pages long...plus my characters are acting strangely...:eek:

Fea, please, please, please, please, PLEASE tell me if Saeryn is acting completely out of character. I did not know what to say or do or write, and for some reason she seemed to be losing her temper and I couldn't stop her...you know how that is...and it was interesting, so I kept writing...I wonder what this tells me about me and my state of sleep, stress, last classes, and finals? I'd like to know your thought.
Also, I thought it out of character for Degas to just sit there...but I didn't know what he'd be doing or saying. So if you'd like to write something to interject...or do some editing by PM, that'd be fine. Or, too, if you want to leave it as it is.

-- Folwren

Nogrod

12-11-2009, 07:33 AM

That was absolutely fabulous Foley!

It's so interesting how conflicts (of interest especially) bring new features forwards in people we thought we knew (Thornden, Saeryn)... not to talk of people whose characters are just at the forming stages (Athanar).

Great!

Legate of Amon Lanc

12-11-2009, 07:37 AM

Indeed... Looks like it's been a stressful day for lots of people in the Hall... and aww, poor Athanar! I like him even more now. :)

Okay, Dury, if you are around, are you going to post something yet for Coen today (game-wise)? If not, I can as well make one concluding post for Hilderinc's first day. Nog, when exactly are you planning to switch into the next day?

Nogrod

12-11-2009, 07:54 AM

Nog, when exactly are you planning to switch into the next day?I'm actually making an editing round to our post right now and Mnemo will then check it at least one more time - it's a kind of "work in progress", so let's see how much we wish to go back and forth with it... ;) but I think we can post it yet today concluding this day for Athanar and Wynflaed.

But I think I suggested Saturday somewhere. If no one has a major objection to that, I could send a post opening the new day on Saturday evening (noon US-time?).

Legate of Amon Lanc

12-11-2009, 08:03 AM

That would do. Looking forward to Athanar&Wynflaed's final daily discussion :)

Feanor of the Peredhil

12-11-2009, 09:30 AM

Foley: I half considered (and started drafting) a conversation between Degas and Thornden after Saeryn left, about how pregnancy is going to make her a lot more worried about kids. :cool:

Heh. But then it occurred to me that even if Saeryn likes Thornden, I don't think Degas has ever talked to him before (sure, they've been in the same discussions, but they've never really interacted), because Degas is a bit of a snob. A nice snob, and a good leader, but a snob nevertheless.

So it stands to reason that he'd stay right out of his sister's line of fire when he believes that anybody that hits a little girl should be duly punished, and any commoner that puts his own foot in his mouth in front of a new lord deserves what's coming to him. Granted, he also thinks Athanar's sons are idiots, but he's not likely to say that.

Point is, at this point in Saeryn's hormonal development (*snicker*), a nice tantrum is totally legit (especially if she's so stressed and exhausted); and Degas has finally learned to sit back and shut up, so no worries about him being reasonably quiet.

Folwren

12-11-2009, 10:36 AM

Foley: I half considered (and started drafting) a conversation between Degas and Thornden after Saeryn left, about how pregnancy is going to make her a lot more worried about kids. :cool:

So, does this mean that we will not have the pleasure of seeing that post, since you only 'half' considered it? Too bad. Just 'cause Degas is a snob doesn't mean he'll not interact with Thornden, you know. Thornden's a fairly high-ish up sort of man in the status order, I believe...? Just an observation.

I had more to say, but I forgot...plus, my little brother is breathing down my neck to get the computer back from me, so I must skidaddle.

-- Foley

Feanor of the Peredhil

12-11-2009, 01:58 PM

So, does this mean that we will not have the pleasure of seeing that post, since you only 'half' considered it?

I frequently begin to compose posts, get a few sentences or paragraphs in, and then decide to see how the story courses itself without my literary intervention. I delete far more posts than I actually submit to public reading.

Too bad. Just 'cause Degas is a snob doesn't mean he'll not interact with Thornden, you know. Thornden's a fairly high-ish up sort of man in the status order, I believe...? Just an observation.

In a normal situation, yes. But since Degas's most present thoughts at the moment are about his sister's pregnancy, and the delicate condition of a lady's womb doesn't make for polite conversation with anybody, really... Discussing his sister's preggerz hormones would seem unfathomably rude to Degas, particularly if he was discussing them with a man.

Degas's current thoughts in order of importance:

1) Saeryn/pregnancy/inheritance
2) home (has his steward been doing well? How long can he justify staying gone?)
3) Athanar's sons appear to be idiots, and he pities the people under their command later in life
4) if Aragorn sends out a call to Rohan for aid with the flooding in the south, how much of anything can Degas afford to send?
5) why didn't he bring any instruments with him?
6) Lady Lin would be such a beautiful and competent bride, and their children-
7) random other things

So really, most of his thoughts don't relate to the Mead Hall. :)

Mnemosyne

12-11-2009, 02:20 PM

Athanar and Wynflaed's conversation is up. ^_^

Nienna

12-11-2009, 03:02 PM

Fabulous post Mnemo and Nog! I really want to know what Javan's punishment is going to be now!! :D

Nogrod

12-11-2009, 03:06 PM

Fabulous post Mnemo and Nog! I really want to know what Javan's punishment is going to be now!!Thanks!

And you should start piling up Aedre's anger when she will hear later on that your parents are conspiring for someone to preceed her in inheritance! :rolleyes: :eek: :D

Nienna

12-11-2009, 03:08 PM

Thanks!

And you should start piling up Aedre's anger when she will hear later on that your parents are conspiring for someone to preceed her in inheritance!

Oh nos!!:mad:

She will not be happy. :cool::smokin:

Mnemosyne

12-11-2009, 03:10 PM

Thanks, Nog, you just made both our characters' lives even more difficult...
:rolleyes::D

Groin Redbeard

12-11-2009, 05:51 PM

Wow, I love all these fantastic posts. Mnemo, Folwren, Nogrod, Fea: ya'll are fantastic. Though I am feeling a bit sorry for Lommy's characters. It is hard when everyone starts ganging up on them.:D I have always liked Wynflaed and now she is making Athanar show his emotional side. Fantastic! now I feel sympathy with Athanar's plight, I can't wait until tomorrow. I am off to study some famous trials to see how a soldier [Lithor] should act.

Folwren

12-11-2009, 06:09 PM

I think if Lithor were really smart, he'd mostly be quiet and just speak when spoken to....and....practically say what he said to Thornden. But you'll probably find that in famous trials, they don't say much.

If I were you, I'd look up court martials. :D ;)

By the bye, I do not feel sorry for Lommy's characters.

I am so looking forward to Saeryn's reaction to Athanar's idea. Hahahaha.

-- Folwren

Nogrod

12-11-2009, 06:47 PM

I am so looking forward to Saeryn's reaction to Athanar's idea. Hahahaha.That will be interesting indeed! :eek::D

Heh, Groin: Ceterum censeo, Carthaginem esse delendam..., maybe Cato or Cicero would not be of Lithor's style? :)

I'm looking forwards to the next day!

In about 20-24 hours from the time stamp of this message I will post the new day to be opened. You have time that long to add anything you wish to add for this day (and of course things can be embedded there afterwards if you suddenly realise something should be added up).

Feanor of the Peredhil

12-11-2009, 08:00 PM

I am so very pleased to be the originator of the distinct displeasure of all of Athanar's biological children.

Now why isn't there an evil smiley?

Loslote

12-11-2009, 08:10 PM

I considered posting for Lilige, going down to the kitchens, finding out the news, getting all confused again...but I decided that she would have had food sent up for herself and Aedre. She can get confused tomorrow. She just went to bed tonight.

Feanor of the Peredhil

12-11-2009, 08:16 PM

Degas has too much food for thought. It's bed time. He'll have his Very Important Conversation in the morning.

Groin Redbeard

12-11-2009, 08:54 PM

Alright, in the course of my browsing through books I found quite a few cases where Medieval law was put into practice. A lot of it is considered cruel to our modern minds; therefore, I don't know if we would use any of these punishments on Lithor or even Javan. *evil smile* Since ya'll know about the medieval world I am posting what I have found.

In England, those in charge of law and order believed that people would only learn how to behave properly if they feared what would happen to them if they broke the law. Even the ‘smallest’ offences had serious punishments. The authorities feared the poor simply because there were many more poor than rich and any revolt could be potentially damaging - as the Peasants Revolt of 1381 proved.

By the time of Henry II, the system of law in England had been improved because Henry sent out his own judges from London to listen to cases throughout all England’s counties. Each accused person had to go through an ordeal. There were three ordeals:

Here are some interesting superstitions I found. The first is called ordeal by fire. An accused person held a red hot iron bar and walked three paces. His hand was then bandaged and left for three days. If the wound was getting better after three days, you were innocent. If the wound had clearly not got any better, you were guilty. Ordeal by water. An accused person was tied up and thrown into water. If you floated you were guilty of the crime you were accused of (this I found particularly interesting because I know that they used this method in the 17th century all over the, then, thirteen colonies for Witch Trials). Ordeal by combat. This was used by noblemen who had been accused of something. They would fight in combat with their accuser. Whereas, the other options might prove ridiculous to our "sophisticated" modern minds, this one might prove interesting.:) Whoever won was right. Whoever lost was usually dead at the end of the fight.

In 1215, the Pope decided that priests in England must not help with ordeals. As a result, ordeals were replaced by trials by juries. To start with, these were not popular with the people as they felt that their neighbours might have a grudge against them and use the opportunity of a trial to get their revenge. After 1275, a law was introduced which allowed people to be tortured if they refused to go to trial before a jury.

If you were found guilty of a crime you would expect to face a severe punishment. Thieves had their hands cut off. Women who committed murder were strangled and then burnt. People who illegally hunted in royal parks had their ears cut off and high treason was punishable by being hung, drawn and quartered. There were very few prisons as they cost money and local communities were not prepared to pay for their upkeep. It was cheaper to execute someone for bad crimes or mutilate them and then let them go.

Most towns had a gibbet just outside of it. People were hung on these and their bodies left to rot over the weeks as a warning to others. However, such violent punishments clearly did not put off people. In 1202, the city of Lincoln had 114 murders, 89 violent robberies and 65 people were wounded in fights. Only 2 people were executed for these crimes and it can be concluded that many in Lincoln got away with their crime.

Nogrod

12-11-2009, 09:11 PM

Groin, we're in Tolkien's Middle-Earth, not in the Christian Middle-Ages of Europe... ;)

Even the Vikings were more civil.

And the "ordeal by combat" (I'm not sure what the actual historical term actually is as in Finnish it's called "God's verdict") was only between even persons by class... eg. two noblemen, two knights etc. and the winner was winner by God's favour - so if an "oldtimer" and a young "bodybuilder" met in a challenge (probably not initiated by the gaffer :rolleyes:) it was God's will the muscle-hero was more pleasing to him and had right on the issue.

But fear not, lord Athanar is not going to suggest to burn Lithor on the stake, mutilate him, or anything like that. Actually he's planning an overall deal between the nobles for all that happened- and Lithor will bear some blunt of it. But he will also have a chance to talk openly against W & W of the late evening's happenings...

Formendacil

12-11-2009, 09:41 PM

Thanks!

And you should start piling up Aedre's anger when she will hear later on that your parents are conspiring for someone to preceed her in inheritance! :rolleyes: :eek: :D

Hmmmm....

Náin's reaction to all this has me curious--as far as he's concerned, Wulfric and Wilheard are probably lost causes, but he might approve in Aedre's case. On the other hand, Dwarves are ridiculously loyal to the "rightful" lord--I'm not sure how he'd deal with the (effective) disinheritance of Athanar's heir in favour of Saeryn--remember that he's not sure Scarburg's fixation on her alleged "rights" is a good thing.

Curious indeed.

Meanwhile, while I cogitate on the next episode of "Dwarven Commentaries: The Rohirrim Series", it occurs to me that there could be interesting interactions between the House of Athanar and Náin over this. Athanar and Wynflaed on purely theoretical issues. The boys would likely get a round scolding to shut up and be Men. Aedre--she's interesting. Nienna, if Aedre needs a radical new philosophy on life from someone only a mite taller than her, she can run into Náin at some point. He's shy enough around strange humans (especially their strange females) that he'll be as wary of her at first as she of him. Funny, I bet he'd try to talk her into learning an artisan's craft... can't see that going over very well with the Eorl.

Feanor of the Peredhil

12-11-2009, 09:44 PM

Word up, Groin.

While I'm perfectly happy to be historically accurate, I feel like maybe our kids can temper their violence a bit?

I'm all for putting people in the stocks for days at a time, forcing them to fast as punishment, whipping, caning, hard labor...

A sentence to haul stone for masonry, for instance.

Or if we want brutality-lite, perhaps the hand that struck the girl might be broken? Then again, I feel like our characters are too pragmatic to cripple a valuable worker in a poor holding.

So I'd envision something more like a whipping (pain + humiliation) coupled with some hard labor (at least the Hall gets something out of all the trouble), rather than tossing Javan and Lithor into the Scar.

:cool:

Nogrod

12-11-2009, 09:52 PM

Great idea Form!

That friendship between Náin and Aedre would be an interesting thing to read - and it would make Aedre into something quite special!

Folwren

12-11-2009, 10:55 PM

Gwathagor

12-11-2009, 11:37 PM

Only 2 people were executed for these crimes and it can be concluded that many in Lincoln got away with their crime.

I may as well mention that since (it sounds like) these laws were prescriptive rather than descriptive, it's also likely that they were not put into practice as consistently and formally as history textbooks might suggest. It's not as if every medieval authority figure was iron-fisted, stone-hearted, and blood-thirsty. They were humans and liable to be complex.

Gwathagor

12-11-2009, 11:42 PM

Heh, Groin: Ceterum censeo, Carthaginem esse delendam..., maybe Cato or Cicero would not be of Lithor's style? :)

Just noticed this! Ha ha. I had forgotten all about that. :D

Gwathagor

12-11-2009, 11:58 PM

I, too, like your idea, Formy. :)

I do NOT like the mideival way of punishing people. It is so brutal and unfair and unjust. I think that in Rohan, the people might understand that punishment must be dealt out with some good end in mind, otherwise....it'd really be pointless. Thanks for your research, though, Groin. :D

k, I'm off to bed. I won't be back on until Sunday.

-- Foley

I'm not suggesting that we reinstate trial by various ordeals, but in dangerous environments, discipline is necessarily more strict. Since warfare featured rather prominently in the schedules of the medievals and since they had whole classes of people devoted to maintaining armies and fighting each other, they would have also had a martial-like system of laws and punishments in place much of the time. Probably not as much so when the threat of invasion, famine, or what have you, was not looming.

In our case, during the War of the Ring, the types of punishment that Groin mentioned above would probably have been practiced by the Rohirrim. But now, during a time of peace and prosperity? It's clearly unnecessary, because the stakes are lower.

(P.S. Since I can't really pass up an opportunity to put in a good word for the Middle Ages...considering how long the medieval monarchies lasted given the imbalance in classes, there was probably more rhyme and reason behind their legislation than they often get credit for.)

Groin Redbeard

12-12-2009, 02:10 PM

That is a fun idea Formy, Nogrod. Will Nain be invited to the council to watch, or is this strictly a human matter?:)

Even the Vikings were more civil. I'll bite my tongue with that remark.

But since you brought up Vikings, they used a method called Jernbyrd 'carrying of (hot) iron' (Old Norse: Járnburdr). The Christian church introduced the Vikings to ordeal by fire. The most common method was to grab a piece of iron from boiling water and walk 9 paces with it carrying it in ones hands. This way of deciding the truth outlived the Viking Age. Inga from Varteig in 1218 'carried iron' to prove her son Håkon Håkonsson (king of Norway 1217 - 1263) was the rightful heir to the throne of Norway. In a way it makes sense. Why would a dishonest man risk burning his hand in a boiling water? A man with the truth on his side will always be more willing to endure hardship than a lier. But this is somewhat irrelevant, unless this is used as a way to ensure who is right when two conflicting views come up.

Another punishment, however, which involves no physical punishment (in a way) is a temporary outlawment of the offender. Eric the Red was an outlaw (twice I think it was) for his crimes. I am just thinking out loud now. Do what you like.:)

Anyway, looking forward to Nogrod's post.

P.S. Thanks for you defence of the Middle-Ages, Gwathagor. :D

Formendacil

12-12-2009, 03:19 PM

That is a fun idea Formy, Nogrod. Will Nain be invited to the council to watch, or is this strictly a human matter?:)

If by "council" you mean Athanar's court of justice in the morning, I doubt Náin would be specifically invited to attend. The only people mandated to be there would be the accused, and anyone involved in the carrying out of justice. However, as a court is a public act of justice on the part of the eorl, I figure anyone in Scarburg could turn up, and given the way things are going, I think a lot might out of curiosity. Whether Náin will, I'm not sure. He might think it a good idea to have another balanced head present, in case the punishment is severe and the old Scarburgians decide to get hotheaded--on the other hand, he might avoid it for that reason.

Nogrod

12-12-2009, 03:30 PM

I can tell you this...

Lord Athanar will first call for a meeting of some people of status offering them a package-deal of sorts. That will be totally confidential between him, Wynflaed, Saeryn, Degas, Thornden and Coenred. You writers may sure read about that discussion but apart from the kitchen stuff who could eavesdrop there are no others summoned there.

After that there will be the hearings of a few people and decisions. That latter event would not be advertised too heavily but it would not be prohibited either (I'm expecting quite a turn-out there :)).

Groin Redbeard

12-12-2009, 04:33 PM

If by "council" you mean Athanar's court of justice in the morning, You make it sound so modern.:rolleyes::D But if it is the nobles who will be deciding the outcome I pictured it more of a council. If we did it Norse style twelve members, at least, would have to be summoned for a jury.

Nogrod

12-12-2009, 06:37 PM

Okay. I'm too tired to write a post now and will turn to bed.

But anyone willing to start a new day, feel free to write it. I'll try to make a post tomorrow for Athanar calling for a meeting of the group of people he would like to hear before going forwards with the hearings & decisions.

If someome goes forwards and writes for the next day, the first post there should have a title: 12th of November, year 15 (fourth age)

If we did it Norse style twelve members, at least, would have to be summoned for a jury.Lord Athanar will not make a court with anyone else having a chance to decide on the issues that are for him to decide... and neither did lord Eodwine btw... :) The lord is there to rule and make the judgements. He may then listen to the people involved or people he chooses... or not listen to them. ;)

Groin Redbeard

12-12-2009, 08:42 PM

Lord Athanar will not make a court with anyone else having a chance to decide on the issues that are for him to decide... and neither did lord Eodwine btw... :) The lord is there to rule and make the judgements. He may then listen to the people involved or people he chooses... or not listen to them. ;)Tyrant! :D

P.S. I got up a post for Lithor and Erbrand. It is extremely mundane and rather cliche but fun to write. I could not wait to begin with my characters now that toMorrow is finally here!

Legate of Amon Lanc

12-13-2009, 08:10 AM

Hm, I think everybody wanted to take their character out in the morning :D

I was thinking that Hilderinc could meet Lithor on the way back, but then I realised that it actually makes sense if he meets Erbrand. Groin, hope that's fine with you. (And there is still this misunderstanding in the background where Hilderinc thought because of the bruise that it was Erbrand who was fighting yesterday...)

Groin Redbeard

12-13-2009, 02:43 PM

That was a funny way to end a post, Legate.:D I'll get a response up for Erbrand later today, he will remember Hildernic from the kitchen. Glad to see that he is warming up to Scarburg. :)

Folwren

12-13-2009, 09:51 PM

Groin,

I just read your post....I also just got home (less than an hour ago). I'll have Thornden meet your character as soon as I can write a post, which may be tonight...

-- Foley

Groin Redbeard

12-14-2009, 11:02 AM

I have continued the misunderstanding, Legate. :D You can take this in many comical directions. Love to see what you come up with. Plus, Folwren, I have a response up for Lithor.

Folwren

12-14-2009, 11:12 AM

Lithor was in search of Thornden, was he not?

Legate of Amon Lanc

12-14-2009, 12:27 PM

I have continued the misunderstanding, Legate. :D You can take this in many comical directions.

Good! :) I shall see. I now have to study for tomorrow's exam, but if I feel like needing a break, I might try to write something - or tomorrow, if nothing else :)

Groin Redbeard

12-14-2009, 02:12 PM

Lithor was in search of Thornden, was he not?

Yes.:cool: *tags Folwren*

P.S. I have posted for Lithor. Let us see what Thornden thinks of Javan's actions.

Folwren

12-14-2009, 02:30 PM

P.S. I have posted for Lithor. Let us see what Thornden thinks of Javan's actions.

He's really cranky, but I fear that I would have disappointed you, for I didn't put too much of his inner thoughts into the post. I had him show a little annoyance...but not much. He's a pretty controlled sort of guy, usually.

Nogrod

12-14-2009, 03:52 PM

Hey, sorry I got a busy day and the few next ones look no less so. But I'll try to post something tomorrow. You're doing great!

Foley, if you have any ideas for the Javan-case let me know. We could actually work up something via PM first...

Folwren

12-15-2009, 08:35 AM

Hey, sorry I got a busy day and the few next ones look no less so. But I'll try to post something tomorrow. You're doing great!

Oh, dear. Okay. And I was so looking forward to your posts, too. Oh well. We can wait. ;)

Foley, if you have any ideas for the Javan-case let me know. We could actually work up something via PM first...

Sure, I'll start a post by PM, if that's what you mean. :) Anything, just so I can be writing.

-- Foley

Legate of Amon Lanc

12-15-2009, 11:17 AM

Posted! The ball is on your side, Groin. I think this is really quite fun :) Looking forward to what we are going to make out of this... (and as for Erbrand's plans, for the record, I think Hilderinc would be a good person to tell this to - just for your, player's information. It doesn't have to be rightaway, but in any case, I think it would work. Still we can keep some of the misunderstandings unresolved even until later, though :) )

Groin Redbeard

12-15-2009, 11:42 AM

I have posted for Lithor, Foley. If Athanar does decide to call Javan forward, I really have a defense for him.:)

Posted! The ball is on your side, Groin. I think this is really quite fun :) Looking forward to what we are going to make out of this... (and as for Erbrand's plans, for the record, I think Hilderinc would be a good person to tell this to - just for your, player's information. It doesn't have to be rightaway, but in any case, I think it would work. Still we can keep some of the misunderstandings unresolved even until later, though)I'll start on a post as soon as I have a free moment!:D

Folwren

12-15-2009, 11:53 AM

Ha. Lithor amuses me.

I need you to change something...your post said:

“Now if Athanar and Wynflaed have enough sense about them, which in this case I doubt, they will keep the fact that Javan was the bully quiet; however, if they do not, then dealing with Wulfric and Wilheard is punishment enough. They will break your brother’s hand if they have half the chance.”

The effect of his rambling came to him quickly. Thornden was no longer looking at him but was staring away and breathing hard the way men do when aggravated. Lithor would have laughed if he had not known that Thornden would be seriously offended at this.

Although upset, Thornden really wouldn't show such obvious signs of anger. Well, maybe he would, but not that kind. So...stick this in:

They will break your brother's hand if they have half the chance."

The effect of his rambling came to him quickly when Thornden lifted his head sharply to look him in the face. His lips tightened in a hard line and his eyes flashed as he glanced about the hall for either of the eorl's sons. "Wulfric or Wilheard, you mean?" Thornden said, looking back at Lithor. Lithor nodded. (or whatever you want) Thornden shut his mouth and clenched his jaw, reverting his eyes to the fire once again.

And then I can see Lithor going ahead and asking why Javan did what he did, maybe to distract Thornden from the idea of the two young-men breaking Javan's hand. (By the way, Lommy, if you happen to read this - if you want your two characters to survive with all their limbs in tact, do not have them do anything like that to Javan. I would be furious, much less Thornden...and Saeryn...)

I'll see about posting before going to school today.

-- Folwren

Nogrod

12-15-2009, 03:33 PM

Still frantically busy in RL... prolly a day or two more. :(

I had time to read up though and it looks good as ever.

Sure, I'll start a post by PM, if that's what you mean.Yup! :)

Hoping to join the fray sooner than later.

Mnemo & Nienna, if you have any time to think what Aedre would tell her parents in the morning about the incident & whether she should join the hearing (and what would be Wynflaed's stance on that), please PM about it.

Durelin

12-15-2009, 05:14 PM

Sorry I've been scarce. I'll be busy till the end of this week and then I'll have more time.

I cleared my PM box, sorry! I'll look at things and write as soon as possible.

Groin Redbeard

12-16-2009, 10:12 AM

The misunderstanding continues!:D Did you want Erbrand to stay Gwath? I can easily change my post, I just did not know what to write. As for Hildernic's misconceptions of Erbrand, I say we leave it as it is and not go out of our way to correct it. Misunderstandings are common in life and in this case Hildernic is not too far off.:)

Folwren

12-16-2009, 10:17 AM

Either I don't write Thornden well, or he is an unfortunate man who is often misunderstood.

That's an interesting suggestion you had Lithor make, Groin. I'll have to think about how I respond. Will post later...after I've written this paper for school.

-- Folwren

Gwathagor

12-16-2009, 10:30 AM

Legate of Amon Lanc

12-16-2009, 10:37 AM

Legate of Amon Lanc

12-17-2009, 07:05 AM

By the way, Gwath (or anybody), just a note - Hilderinc is not a totally "looks like all others" Eorling (you can read his description) - notably his hair is not blonde, but more like light brown, and it is not long, but shorter (whatever cultural implications long hair might have among the Rohirrim, his is just considerably shorter than usual), and his eyes are simply dark (I think, however, that might be common even among some of the fair-haired Rohirrim). He is also not so overtly tall, may be even shorter than Crabannan? (Probably if so, then not by much, but still?)

It is not that he would be so strikingly different or anything (he is far from looking like a half-Dunlending or anything like that), and he is definitely an Eorling (he likely has some "typically Rohirric" features discerneable easily especially by an outsider), it just seems that the recessive genes have somehow lost the battle in his case :D (Hmm... I may as well edit his bio with this somehow "advanced explanatory stuff".)

That's not to say, Crabannan still can percieve him like a "Rohir like all the others", as to the outsiders things can seem a lot different (to some Haradian, for example Hilderinc's hair would still seem incredibly fair), depends on what features they focus in, but anyway, this is just to say that "tall with long blonde hair" stereotype won't exactly work here.