Palantir of Fortune!

[Mariska Greenleaf]

Here are the T's, A's, S's and R's!

--r/--at/-a-se,/-a-adr-e-,/-ere/t-e/----/-e---e/--/t-e/---d-r/dr--e-/--rt-/as/e---es/-r--/A-a-?/-r/--at/e---/--es/--/t-e/s--s/--/-ea--r/t-at/t-e-/are/s-/-a---t-/a-d/s-/-e--?

[Evisse the Blue]

"For what cause Galadriel, were the high people of the Noldor driven forth as exiles from Aman? Or what evil lies on the sons of Feanor that they are so haughty and so fell?"

[Mariska Greenleaf]

You got it, Evisse!

[Evisse the Blue]

"--- / ---- /---- / -- / ---- / ----- / --/ ----------- / -- / ---------- / ---------- / ---/ ----- / -----!"/----/- /. "--- /-/ ---/----/-/-----'-/----,/---/-----/-----/-/----/---------/----."

Bring it on! smilies/biggrin.gif

[ September 15, 2003: Message edited by: Evisse the Blue ]

[The Saucepan Man]

Sorry, Evisse, but this thread needs to be closed as it's becoming too long.

I will start a new one and include your question in the first post. Everyone, please feel free to continue the game there. smilies/smile.gif

[The Saucepan Man]

Since the last thread became too long, I am opening this thread in order that this ever-popular game may continue.

The rules are simple. The question consists of a series of blanks representing a quote or extract from one of Tolkien's books. The blanks are gradually filled with letters requested by the players until one of the players is able to guess the quote.

You can join in requesting letters or make a guess any time. The person who correctly guesses the quote first gets to set the next one.

The current question was set by Evisse the Blue, and is as follows:

"--- / ---- /---- / -- / ---- / ----- / --/ ----------- / -- / ---------- / ---------- / ---/ ----- / -----!"/----/- /. "--- /-/ ---/----/-/-----'-/----,/---/-----/-----/-/----/---------/----."

Oh, and Evisse added:

Bring it on! smilies/biggrin.gif smilies/biggrin.gif

[Mariska Greenleaf]

N's please!

[Evisse the Blue]

N's coming up:

"---/----/----/--/----/-n---/-n/-n---n---n-/--/--------n-/-------n--/---/----n/-----."/----/-/. "N--/-/--n/----/-/n----'-/----/,---/-----/--n--/-/----/--------n/---n."

[Guinevere]

Can you add the E's, please? Thank you.

[Orofaniel]

May I have an A at the same time, please? smilies/smile.gif

[Cathelm]

If you don't mind me jumping in, could you add on the I's, please?

[elfearz1]

Mind if I join? Can you add the R's please? smilies/smile.gif

[Evisse the Blue]

"-a-/---r/-eer/-e/-ai-/-n-er/an/en--an--en-/--/--r-a--in-/e--e--en-e/--r/-e-en/-ear-."/-ai-/I/. "N--/I/-an/-a-e/a/ni---'-/re--/,--e/-ir--/-in-e/-/-a-e/--r----en/-e-n."

Added E, A, I and R.

[ September 16, 2003: Message edited by: Evisse the Blue ]

[Mariska Greenleaf]

May your beer be laid
under an enchantment of surpassing excellent for seven years' said I. '"Now I can take
a night's rest, the first since I have forgotten when.


Gandalf to Butterbur

[Evisse the Blue]

Yep! Please proceed, Mariska! (lovely name - are you Scandinavian by any chance)?

[Mariska Greenleaf]

Thanks for the compliment! I'm not Scandinavian but Belgian... smilies/wink.gif

'-/----/------/--/---/-----. /---/--/
----! / -/----/----/--/----/----/--------, /-----/---/-----------/-----.'

Fire away!

[Evisse the Blue]

E please!

[Mariska Greenleaf]

'-/---e/----e-/--/---/-----. /-e-/-e/
----! / -/----/---e/--/----/----/-e-e----, /----e/---/--e--------/-----.'

There you go.

[Beren87]

A, please.

[Evisse the Blue]

And R.

[Mariska Greenleaf]

'-/-a-e/r---e-/--/---/-----. /-e-/-e/
-a--! / -/----/---e/--/---r/--r-/-e-e---r, /----e/---/--e-ar-----/-a---.'

that's it.

[Estanesse]

S,please

[Mariska Greenleaf]

ssssss coming up

'-/-a-e/r---e-/--/--s/----s. /-e-/-e/
-*** ! / -/--s-/---e/--/---r/--r-/-e-e---r, /----e/--s/s-e-ar-s---/-as-s.'

[ September 19, 2003: Message edited by: Mariska Greenleaf ]

I seem to have a problem here with those three stars... ***= a s s

[ September 19, 2003: Message edited by: Mariska Greenleaf ]

[Estanesse]

Is this the quote Mariska Greenleaf

'I/have/ridden/on/its/wings. /let/me/
pass! / I/must/come/to/your/lord/Denethor, /while/his/ stewardship/lasts.'

[Mariska Greenleaf]

smilies/eek.gif wow that's it indeed!
well done, and really fast!

Your turn smilies/wink.gif

[Estanesse]

Thanks Mariska Greenleaf

/--- /-- /---- /- /---- /---- /-- /--- /------ /-- /----- /-- /--- /-- /.

Good luck smilies/biggrin.gif

[Mariska Greenleaf]

Could I have the e's please?

[Estanesse]

Of course you can

/-e- /-- /---- /- /---- /---- /-- /--e /--e--- /-- /----- /-- /--- /-e /.

[Mariska Greenleaf]

how about some s's?

[Estanesse]

/-e- /-s /---- /- /---- /---- /-- /--e /--e--s /-s /----- /-s /--- /-e /.

[Mariska Greenleaf]

r?

[Estanesse]

/-e- /-s /---- /- /---- /---- /-- /--e /--e--s /-s /----- /-s /--- /-e /.

an R for Mariska smilies/biggrin.gif

[Mariska Greenleaf]

haha, euh...maybe L's then?

[Estanesse]

/Le- /-s /---- /- /---- /---- /-- /--e /--el-s /-s /----- /-s /--- /-e /.

[Orofaniel]

May I have a T, please? smilies/smile.gif

[Estanesse]

/Let /-s /---- /- /--t- /---- /t- /t-e /--el-s /-s /----- /-s /--- /-e /.
smilies/biggrin.gif

[gilraën]

'Let us find a path down to the fields as quick as may be.'

Said by Gimli to Legolas and Aragorn in TTT.

[Estanesse]

That is a perfect answer gilraën

[gilraën]

Thank you smilies/smile.gif

"--/ ---/ --/, -/ --/ --/ ---/ ------/,
---/ ----/ ----/ --/ ---/ ------/ ---/ ----/ ---/
------/ ----/ -----/ ----/ ---/ ---/ --/
-----/ ---/ ------/ ---/ --------/ ---/."

Good Luck smilies/smile.gif

[Evisse the Blue]

E please!

[gilraën]

"--/ ---/ -e/, -/ --/ --/ --e/ ------/,
---/ ----/ ----/ -e/ --e/ ----e-/ ---/ ----/ --e/
----e-/ ----/ -----/ ----/ --e/ ---/ --/
----e/ ---/ ----e-/ --e/ --------/ --e/."

[Orofaniel]

Could I have any H's, please?

[Evisse the Blue]

And a T please

[gilraën]

H and T added smilies/smile.gif


"--/ ---/ -e/, -/ --/ --/ the/ ------/,
---/ ----/ ---t/ -e/ the/ h---e-/ ---/ ----/ the/
---te-/ th-t/ -h---/ ----/ the/ ---/ --/
th--e/ -h-/ ----e-/ the/ --------/ --e/."

[Eruanna]

May we have an S please?

[Estanesse]

and an A please

[gilraën]

S and A added smilies/smile.gif



"As/ ---/ -e/, -/ a-/ --/ the/ ------/,
a--/ ----/ --st/ -e/ the/ h---e-/ a--/ ----/ the/
---te-/ that/ sha--/ s-a-/ the/ ---/ --/
th--e/ -h-/ -asse-/ the/ --------/ --e/."

[Arestevana]

I am really bad at this, smilies/rolleyes.gif but I believe there are a few L's. Could we see them, please?

[gilraën]

L added smilies/smile.gif



"As/ ---/ -e/, -/ a-/ --/ the/ --l---/,
a--/ l---/ --st/ -e/ the/ h---e-/ a--/ --l-/ the/
---te-/ that/ shall/ sla-/ the/ ---/ --/
th--e/ -h-/ -asse-/ the/ --------/ --e/."

[Holbytlass]

'R' please

[Eruanna]

M please. smilies/smile.gif

[gilraën]

R, M and one missing S added smilies/smile.gif


"As/ --r/ me/, -/ am/ --/ the/ --l--r/,
a--/ l---/ m-st/ -e/ the/ h---er/ a--/ --l-/ the/
---ter/ that/ shall/ sla-/ the/ ---/ --/
th-se/ -h-/ -asse-/ the/ -r------/ --e/."

Good luck smilies/smile.gif

[Guinevere]

Would you please add the N's ?
(It looks somehow familiar, but just beyond my memory... smilies/rolleyes.gif )

[gilraën]

N added, that was a good choice smilies/smile.gif


"As/ --r/ me/, -/ am/ --/ the/ n-l--r/,
an-/ l-n-/ m-st/ -e/ the/ h-n-er/ an-/ --l-/ the/
--nter/ that/ shall/ sla-/ the/ --n/ --/
th-se/ -h-/ -asse-/ the/ -r-n--n-/ --e/."

[Guinevere]

smilies/smile.gif As for me, I am of the Noldor, and long must be the hunger and cold the winter that shall slay the kin of those who passed the grinding ice."
Em, wasn't that Voronwë to Tuor? (Can't get at my U.T. at the moment to verify it)

[gilraën]

It sure was Guinevere, well done, your turn smilies/smile.gif

[Guinevere]

Thank you, Gilraën! "--/ ---/ ------/ ---/! --/ ----/ ---/ ------/ --/ ----/ ----/.---/ ---/ ---/ --/ ---/ ----/, ---/ ---/ --/ ---/ ----/ --/ ---/ ----/ --/ ----/."

[gilraën]

Your very welcome. May I start us off with an E ? smilies/smile.gif

[Guinevere]

"--/ ---/ -----E/ ---/! -E/ ----/ ---/ -E----/ --/ ----/ ----/.---/ ---/ -E-/ --/ ---/ ----/, ---/ ---/ --/ --E/ ----/ --/ ---/ ----/ -E/ ----/."

[Estanesse]

an N please

[Orofaniel]

May I have a T, please?

[Holbytlass]

'H' please

[Guinevere]

"--/ N-T/ -----E/ H--/! -E/ ----/ N-T/ -ET--N/ T-/ TH--/ --N-/.---/ ---/ -ET/ --/ H--/ ----/, -N-/ N-T/ --/ THE/ H-N-/ --/ --N/ ----/ HE/ ----/."

[Mariska Greenleaf]

A please?

[Guinevere]

"--/ N-T/ -----E/ H--/! -E/ ----/ N-T/ -ET--N/ T-/ TH--/ -AN-/.-A-/ ---/ -ET/ --/ H--/ ----/, AN-/ N-T/ --/ THE/ HAN-/ --/ -AN/ ----/ HE/ -A--/."

[Tarien Ithil]

An S please?

[Guinevere]

"--/ N-T/ ---S-E/ H--/! -E/ ----/ N-T/ -ET--N/ T-/ TH-S/ -AN-/.-A-/ ---/ -ET/ -S/ H-S/ ----/, AN-/ N-T/ --/ THE/ HAN-/ --/ -AN/ ----/ HE/ -A--/."

[Orofaniel]

D, please! smilies/wink.gif

[Guinevere]

"D-/ N-T/ ---S-E/ H--/! -E/ ----/ N-T/ -ET--N/ T-/ TH-S/ -AND/. -A-/ ---/ -ET/ -S/ H-S/ D---/, AND/ N-T/ --/ THE/ HAND/ --/ -AN/ ----/ HE/ -A--/."

[The Saucepan Man]

Ah, I see it now. It's from Appendix A to LotR:

Do not pursue him! He will not return to this land. Far off yet is his doom, and not by the hand of man will he fall.

Glorfindel to Earnur, concerning the fate of the Witch King.

It was the "not by the hand of man" that got it for me. smilies/smile.gif

[Guinevere]

Well done, SaucepanMan! smilies/smile.gif please proceed!

[The Saucepan Man]

Many thanks, Guinevere. smilies/smile.gif

--/ ----/ ---/ ---/ ----/? ---/ ---'-/ --/ ------/ ----/ ---/ ----/ ---/?
--/ -----/ ----/ ---------/ ----/ --/ -----/ ---/ ---------/.

[FingolfintheBold]

And perhaps an "A"?

[steve]

Is there a W by any chance? (my first time venturing into this section of the downs, im scared)

[Niluial]

A ‘N’ please!

[Guinevere]

How about the "E"s ?

[The Saucepan Man]

I shall give the quote anew. smilies/biggrin.gif smilies/rolleyes.gif

--/ --a-/ a--/ ---/ -n-w/? W--/ --n'-/ we/ -ea---/ --e-/ an-/ --n-/ ---/?
We/ -----/ --n-/ ---e---n-/ --a-/ we/ -----/ --e/ ----e--e-/.

[Niluial]

A 'T' please! smilies/biggrin.gif

[The Saucepan Man]

Coming right up ...

--/ t-at/ a--/ ---/ -n-w/? W--/ --n't/ we/ -ea---/ t-e-/ an-/ --n-/ --t/?
We/ ----t/ --n-/ ---et--n-/ t-at/ we/ -----/ --e/ ----e--e-/.

[Arestevana]

How about 'H'?

[Orofaniel]

G, please! smilies/wink.gif smilies/biggrin.gif

[Guinevere]

Are there any "L"s ?

[The Saucepan Man]

H, G and L added. smilies/smile.gif

--/ that/ all/ ---/ -n-w/? Wh-/ --n't/ we/ -ea--h/ the-/ an-/ --n-/ --t/?
We/ --ght/ --n-/ ---eth-ng/ that/ we/ ---l-/ --e/ ----el-e-/.

It's looking pretty getable now ...

[Guinevere]

smilies/biggrin.gif Got it! "Is that all you know? Why don't we search them and find out? We might find something that we could use ourselves." That's one of the orcs (or Uruk-Hais) who have kidnapped Merry and Pippin, talking to another orc.
(I had guessed quite a lot before, but it was finding out "search" that put me on the right track!) smilies/wink.gif

[The Saucepan Man]

Yup, that's it, Guinevere, Queen of the Quotes. smilies/smile.gif

Your go ...

[Guinevere]

Thank you for your kind compliment, but if anyone deserves this title, it must be Gilraën! smilies/smile.gif ----/ -----/ -----/ ---------/, ------/ --/ -------/, --------/ --/ -----/ --/ ---/ ----/ ---------/ --/ ---/ -----/ --/ ---------/ --/ ---/ -----/ ----/, --/ ---/ ----/ --/ ---/ ----/ --/ ----/ -----/.

[Imirie Edhel]

Well I am new at this game but it looks easy. An A please.

-Imirie Edhel

[Guinevere]

You're welcome, Imrie Edhel! smilies/smile.gif
----/ -----/ -----/ ---------/, ------/ --/ -------/, ---A----/ --/ -----/ --/ A--/ --A-/ -A-------/ --/ ---/ -----/ --/ ------A--/ --/ ---/ -----/ -A--/, A-/ ---/ -A--/ --/ ---/ ----/ --/ ----/ -----/. smilies/smile.gif

[Finwe]

An E please.

[Guinevere]

Lots of E's! smilies/wink.gif
----/ E--E-/ -E-E-/ ---------/, ---E--/ --/ ---E---/, --EA----/ --/ -----/ --/ A--/ --A-/ -A-----E-/ --/ --E/ -----/ --/ -E-E--A--/ --/ --E/ E--E-/ -A--/, A-/ --E/ -A--/ --/ ---/ ----/ -E/ ----/ ---E-/.

[Novnarwen]

Are there any N's?

*nova* smilies/biggrin.gif

[Guinevere]

----/ EN-E-/ -E-E-/ ----N----/, ---E--/ --/ ---EN--/, --EA----/ -N/ -----/ --/ A--/ --A-/ -A-----E-/ -N/ --E/ -----/ --/ -E-E--AN-/ -N/ --E/ E--E-/ -A--/, A-/ --E/ -AN-/ --/ ---/ ----/ -E/ ----/ ---E-/.

[gilraën]

I think this is it.....I recognised Beleriand and then the rest made sense smilies/smile.gif

Thus ended Beleg Strongbow, truest of friends, greatest in skill of all that harboured in the woods of Beleriand in the Elder Days, at the hand of him whom he most loved; and that grief was graven on the face of Túrin and never faded.

[Guinevere]

Yes, that's it! smilies/smile.gif smilies/eek.gif You found it with only 3 letters! Kudos!!

[Eruanna]

It's been more than ten days, and I'm sure that Gilraën would like us to carry on smilies/smile.gif
So......

"-------/-----/--/----/--------,/
-----/--------/----/------/--/-/-----/------!/
---/-----/------/-----,/----/---/--/-----!/
-/----/-----/--/--/----/---/-----/------/------?/
-----/--/-----,/--/----/----/--/-/---'/
---/----,/----/----/---/---/----/---?"

Good luck smilies/smile.gif
smilies/smile.gif

[ October 22, 2003: Message edited by: Eruanna ]

[Guinevere]

Are there any D's ?

[Eruanna]

There are several smilies/smile.gif

"-------/ ---d-/ --/ ----/ --------,/
-----/ --------/ ----/ -----d/ --/ -/ -----/ ------!/
---,/ -----/ ------/ ---d-,/ ----/ --d/ --/ -----!/
-/ ----/ -----/ --/ d-/ ----/ ---/ -----/ ------/ ------?/
-----/ --/ -----,/ --/ ----/ ----/ --/ -/ ---;/
---/ ----,/ ----/ ----/ --d/ ---/ ----/ ---?"

[NightKnight]

How about "S"?

[Sleepy Ranger]

I used to play before but then I stopped but now I'm back so if no one minds I'm joining again.
Can I have a C?

[LePetitChoux]

Oooh, an "E" please.
smilies/smile.gif

[Guinevere]

Could you add the "N"s fo me, please?

[Eruanna]

S, C, E and N added smilies/smile.gif

"----een/ ---ds/ -n/ ---e/ -----ees,/
--e--/ -e---e-s/ -e-e/ --nned/ -n/ -/ --e--/ --ee-e!/
---/ --nn-/ -----e/ ---ds,/ --e-/ --d/ n-/ --n-s!/
-/ ----/ s----/ -e/ d-/ ----/ --e/ --nn-/ -----e/ ---n-s?/
---s-/ e-/ ----e,/ --/ s-e-/ --e-/ -n/ -/ ---;/
---/ --e-,/ ----/ --e-/ -nd/ e--/ --e-/ ---?/

Good choices there smilies/biggrin.gif

[Alatariel Telemnar]

Can we have an A?

[Eruanna]

As added smilies/smile.gif

"----een/ ---ds/ -n/ ---e/ -----ees,/
--e--/ -ea--e-s/ -e-e/ -anned/-n/ a/ --e--/ --ee-e!/
---,/ --nn-/ -----e/ ---ds,/--e-/ -ad/n-/ --n-s!/
-/ --a-/ s-a--/ -e/ d-/ ----/ --e/ --nn-/ -----e/ ---n-s?/
--as-/ e-/ a---e,/ --/ --e-/ --e-/ -n/ a/ ---;/
---/ --e-,/ ----/ --e-/ and/ ea-/ --e-/ ---?"

[Beren87]

Fifteen birds in five firtrees,
their feathers were fanned in a fiery breeze!
But, funny little birds, they had no wings!
O what shall we do with the funny little things?
Roast 'em alive, or stem them in a pot;
fry them, boil them, and eat them hot?

The Goblins to the Dwarves, Gandalf, and Mr.Baggins, all up in the trees. From The Hobbit, Chapter 6.

[ October 26, 2003: Message edited by: Beren87 ]

[Eruanna]

You are correct smilies/biggrin.gif

The thread is yours. smilies/smile.gif

[Beren87]

Seems as though I've forgotten one. Thanks for the reminder, Guinevere.

'----/--/----/--/-------/---/---/--------/--/---/-------:/----/----/------/------/-------/--/--------/----/--/----/----/-----/----/-/---/--/----!

[Estanesse]

An E please

[Guinevere]

Would you please add the T's ?

[NightKnight]

S?

[Beren87]

ETS added. =P

'T--s/-s/----/t-/-e-----/---/t-e/-e---e--/--/--e/se----t:/t--t/----/--ste-/s-----/-e--e-e/--/e-------/---t/-e/--st/e-se/----t/----/-/---/t-/----!

There you are.

[Guinevere]

Hm, I can't recognize anything important yet. smilies/wink.gif
Are there any A's ?

[Beren87]

Yep.

'T--s/-s/----/t-/-e-a--/---/t-e/-e---e--/--/--e/se--a-t:/t--t/----/-aste-/s-----/-e--e-e/--/e---a---/--at/-e/--st/e-se/----t/-a--/a/-a-/t-/-a--!

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I think I recognise some words, but nothing incriminating. An R, please?

[NightKnight]

And while you're at it, add an N as well. smilies/wink.gif

[Beren87]

'T--s/-s/----/t-/-e-an-/--r/t-e/-e---er-/--/--e/ser-ant:/t--t/---r/-aster/s-----/re--e-e/-n/e---an--/--at/-e/--st/e-se/----t/-an-/a/-a-/t-/-a-n!

R and N added.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I got it!

This is much to demand for the delivery of one servant: that your master should receive in exchange what he must fight many a war to gain.!

LotR, Book V, Chapter 10


He got to her through this guy, not through me!

[ November 18, 2003: Message edited by: Nilpaurion Felagund ]

[Beren87]

You're Go!

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Thank you, Beren87! *bows*

Anyway, just wait: I'm searching the previous threads to see if my idea's a repeat.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Oh, Angband...they're too long, and I have not the time. Here goes.

---/-/-------/------/--/-----/--------/---/---/--/-----/---/-----/---/-------/-----/----/-/----------/------/---/----/--/---/--------/------/-----/-----/----/-------/----/-- -/------/-/-----/----/

Good luck. people!

[Guinevere]

Could you add the N's please?

[NightKnight]

Any A's?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Letters added: N, A

---/a/--a--n-/----n-/--/-----/-a----n-/-a-/---/-a/--a--/an-/-----/---/-------/-----/----/a/--------n-/n-----/an-/---n/a-/---/-a--n---/------/a-a-n/-----/-a--/-----n-/----/-- -/------/a/---a-/----/

[NightKnight]

S?

[Guinevere]

E please! smilies/smile.gif

[Eruanna]

May we have the Ts please smilies/smile.gif

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Letters added: N, A, S, E, T

---/a/sea--n-/se--n-/-t/st---/-a----n-/-a-/---/-n/--a--/an-/---te/-ts/t----st/t--e-/---e/a/---tte--n-/nee--e/an-/t-en/as/r-e/-a--ness/---se-/a-a-n/t-e-e/-a-e/-----n-/--e-/t- e/--e--s/a/--eat/----/


There was a certain wrong letter, but it has been amended.

[ November 23, 2003: Message edited by: Nilpaurion Felagund ]

[The Laurenendorian]

. . . at that sound the bent shape of the king sprang suddenly erect. Tall and proud he seemed again; and rising in his stirrups he cried in a loud voice, more clear than any there had ever heard a mortal man achieve before:

Arise, arise, Riders of Théoden!
Fell deeds awake: fire and slaughter!
spear shall be shaken, shield be splintered,
a sword-day, a red day, ere the sun rises!
Ride now, ride now! Ride to Gondor!

[Estanesse]

For a searing second it stood dazzling far off in black and white,its tomost tower like a glittering needle and then as the darkness closed again there came rolling over the fields a great boom.

It's yours Laurenendorian, if you want smilies/biggrin.gif

[ November 24, 2003: Message edited by: Estanesse ]

[The Laurenendorian]

-------------------------/-------------/--------
Let's see if anyone can get this before I give any letters.

[Guinevere]

Oh noooo! smilies/frown.gif I found it out, but you were faster! smilies/wink.gif
But I think I know the next one smilies/biggrin.gif

[ November 24, 2003: Message edited by: Guinevere ]

[The Laurenendorian]

Certainly.

-------------------------/-------------/--------

[Guinevere]

Hold on, I don't need any letters Taurelilómëa-tumbalemorna Tumbaletaurëa Lómëanor Such long words - it could only be Treebeard!

[ November 24, 2003: Message edited by: Guinevere ]

[The Laurenendorian]

A-ramba-lalla-kumamba-lirombul-dirundor-kalla-fordir.

Sorry, I mean 'yes'.

[Guinevere]

smilies/biggrin.gif Thank you, Laurenendorian (Your name was a hint as well... smilies/wink.gif ) Well, here goes the next one: -----/ ----/ ---/ ---/ ------/ --/ ---/ -----/ --/ ---/ ----/, ---/ -----/ --/ -----/ ------/, ------/ ----/ --/ ----/ --/ ------/ --/ ----/ --/ --/ --/ ---/ ----/ ----/ ---/ --/ ----/.

[Turambar]

How about "E" ?

[Guinevere]

--E--/ -EE-/ ---/ --E/ ------/ --/ --E/ -----/ --/ --E/ -E--/, ---/ --E--/ --/ -----/ -E----/, ------/ ---E/ -E/ -E--/ --/ ------/ --/ ----/ --/ --/ --/ --E/ ----/ ----/ --E/ --/ ---E/.

[ November 24, 2003: Message edited by: Guinevere ]

[Turambar]

Hmmm.

"R" ?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

An S, please?

[Guinevere]

-RE--/ -EE-/ --S/ --E/ R-----/ --/ --E/ ----S/ --/ --E/ -E--/, ---/ -RE--/ --/ S----/ RE----/, ------/ ---E/ -E/ -E--/ --/ -----R/ --/ S---/ --/ --/ --/ --E/ ---S/ ----/ -RE/ --/ ---E/.

[gilraën]

'Great deed was the riding of the Paths of the Dead, and great it shall remain, though none be left in Gondor to sing of it in the days that are to come.'

[The Saucepan Man]

smilies/eek.gif

... gilraën strikes again. smilies/biggrin.gif

[Guinevere]

Exactly, Gilraën! (I guess you spotted "Great deed" at once?! smilies/wink.gif )

[gilraën]

Yep smilies/smile.gif

I'll post a new one later today.

[gilraën]

As promised smilies/smile.gif Good luck!


--,/ ---------!/ --/ ----/ ------./ ----/ --/ -----./ ---!/
---/ -------/ --/ ------/ ---/ ------,/
-------/ ---/ ---./ ---/ --/ -------./

[Firondoiel]

How about an "A?"

Feels good to be back at the Downs. Haven't been here in so long.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

An N, for...nevermind. smilies/cool.gif

[Guinevere]

D, please!

[gilraën]

A, N, and D added smilies/smile.gif


-n,/ --ad---a-!/ --/ ----/ -a---n./
----/ --/ -----./ ---!/
---/ --a--n-/ --/ --nd--/ a--/ a-----,/
-a---n-/ ---/ a-d./
-a-/ --/ --nd--d./

[Guinevere]

It is inevitable - I have to ask for the E's! smilies/wink.gif

[gilraën]

E added smilies/smile.gif


-n,/ --ad---a-!/ -e/ ----/ -a--en./
---e/ --/ -----./ -ee!/
--e/ -ea--n-/ --/ --nd--/ a-e/ a-----,/
-a---n-/ ---/ a-d./
-a-/ --/ --nd-ed./

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

T please?

[gilraën]

T added smilies/smile.gif

-n,/ --ad---a-!/ -e/ ---t/ -a-ten./
t--e/ --/ ----t./ -ee!/
t-e/ -ea--n-/ --/ --nd--/ a-e/ a----t,/
-a---n-/ ---/ a-d./
-a-/ --/ --nd-ed./

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

That was few...R, please. smilies/cool.gif

[ 3:22 AM December 02, 2003: Message edited by: Nilpaurion Felagund ]

[Guinevere]

Oh, now I can see it! smilies/smile.gif On, Shadowfax! We must hasten. Time is short. See! The beacons of Gondor are alight, calling for aid. War is kindled.

[gilraën]

Well done smilies/smile.gif

Your turn.

[Guinevere]

Thank you, Gilraën! ---/ ---/ ---/ ---/ ----/ --/ ---/, ---/ -----/ ---/ --/, ------/ ---/ ----/ ---/ -----/ ----/ --/ ----/ --------/. ------/ ---/ -------/ --/ ---/ -----/ ---/ -----/ ---/ ------/ -----/ ---/ ------/ ---/.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

How about a for "alliterative?"

[Guinevere]

---/ A--/ ---/ ---/ ----/ --/ ---/, A--/ --A--/ ---/ --/, ------/ A--/ A--A/ A--/ -----/ -A--/ --/ ----/ --------/. ------/ ---/ -------/ --/ ---/ -----/ ---/ --A--/ ---/ ------/ -----/ ---/ ------/ ---/.

[gilraën]

Sorry but Arda gave it away.......... http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/yellows/redface.gif

You are not the Lord of Men, and shall not be, though all Arda and Menel fall in your dominion. Beyond the Circles of the World you shall not pursue those who refuse you."

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

How do I say "You guys are weird!" without offeding someone? You guys are weird! in a good sort of way, that is.

[Guinevere]

My goodness, Gilraën, you really are incredible! smilies/eek.gif smilies/smile.gif *bows*

[gilraën]

*Blushes again*


"-----/ ---/ ---/ ------/ ----/ ---/,
---/ ---/ ------/ --/ -----/ ----/ ------/ --/ ----/ ------/ ----/;
---/ ----/ ---/ ----/ ---/ --/ ----/,
----/ ----/ ---------/ -----/ ---/ ---/ ----/ ----/,
----/ --/ -------/ -------/; ---/ ----/ ---/ ------/."

[Guinevere]

Are there any O's ?

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 8:26 AM December 07, 2003: Message edited by: Guinevere ]

[gilraën]

O added smilies/smile.gif

"--o--/ ---/ ---/ -o----/ ----/ ---/,
---/ ---/ ------/ o-/ -o---/ -oo-/ ---o--/ --/ -o--/ ------/ ----/;
-o-/ ----/ ---/ ----/ ---/ o-/ ----/,
-o--/ ----/ ---------/ -o---/ -o-/ ---/ -o--/ ----/,
----/ --/ ----o--/ -------/; ---/ ----/ ---/ ------/."

[Catherine]

~T please~

[gilraën]

T added smilies/smile.gif


"-to-t/ ---/ ---/ -o----/ t---/ ---/,
---/ t--/ ------/ o-/ -o---/ -oo-/ ---o-t/ --/ -o--/ ------/ t---/;
-o-/ t---/ ---/ ----/ ---/ o-/ ----/,
-o--/ ----/ ---t-----/ -o---/ -o-/ ---/ -o-t/ ---t/,
----/ --/ ----o--/ -------/; ---/ t---/ ---/ -----t/."

[Guinevere]

How about N?

[Catherine]

I am going to say S!

[gilraën]

N, S and one missing T added smilies/smile.gif

"Sto-t/ --n/ -n-/ -o----/ t---/ ---/,
-n-/ t--/ -----s/ o-/ -o--n/ -oo-/ ---ost/ -s/ -o-s/ --s---/ t---/;
-o-/ t---/ ---/ ----/ --n/ o-/ ----/,
-o-n/ ----/ ---t-----/ -o--s/ -o-/ t--/ -ost/ ---t/,
---n/ -s/ ----o-n/ ---s---/; -n-/ t---/ ---/ s---nt/."

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I'm sorry smilies/cool.gif ...Rohan gave it away...

'They are a strange company, these newcomers,' said Gimli. 'Stout men and lordly they are, and the Riders of Rohan look almost as boys beside them; for they are grim men of face, worn like weathered rocks, even as Aragorn himself; and they are silent'

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 1:28 AM December 08, 2003: Message edited by: Nilpaurion Felagund ]

[gilraën]

I thought it would smilies/smile.gif

Well done, your turn.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Merci! *bows*

OK...

---/--/-/-----/----/------/----/-/-----/--/------/--/---/-/----*----/------/----/----/---/------/-----/--------/---/--/---/------'-/----/---/---/-----/--/-----/---/------/-/ -----/--/----/----/---/---/----/--/---/----/---/----/---/--/------*-----/

The * are the standard hyphens. smilies/cool.gif

[Mariska Greenleaf]

let's start of with the r's!

[Guinevere]

could you add the E's for me, please?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Letters added: R, E

---/--/-/----e/----/----er/----/-/----e/--/----e-/--/---/-/-re-*----/------/----/-e-r/---/----er/----e/e---r-e-/---/--/--e/------'-/e-e-/---/--e/-----/--/--r--/---/---ee-/-/ -e---/--/----/----/---/--e/---e/--/---/--e-/---/----/---/--/-----e*e-r--/

[Guinevere]

Since I am not Gilraën, I need some more letters... smilies/wink.gif
How about "N" ?

[gilraën]

Middle-earth gave this one away, it took some checking but I found it smilies/smile.gif

Big as a house, much bigger than a house, it looked to him, a grey-clad moving hill. Fear and wonder, maybe, enlarged him in the hobbit's eyes, but the Mumak of Harad was indeed a beast of vast bulk, and the like of him does not walk now in Middle-earth;

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

No. Nope. Not that one...

Oh, alright!!!

[gilraën]

Here's a new one, good luck smilies/smile.gif

---/ -/ --/ ------/ -----/ --/ --/ --------/ -----/:
--/ ---/ ----/ ---/ ----/, --------/ ---/, ----/ --/ ----/,
----/ --/ ----/, -----/, ----/ --/ ----/ --/ ---/ ----/ --/ ------/.

[Guinevere]

A, please.

[gilraën]

A added smilies/smile.gif

---/ -/ a-/ a--a--/ -----/ --/ --/ --------/ -----/:
--/ -a-/ -a--/ ---/ ----/, ---a----/ -a-/, ----/ --/ ----/,
----/ --/ ----/, -----/, ----/ a-/ -a--/ --/ ---/ -a--/ --/ ------/.

[Eruanna]

May we have the Is please smilies/smile.gif

[gilraën]

I added smilies/smile.gif


---/ i / a-/ a--ai-/ -----/ i-/ --/ ----i---/ -----/:
--/ -a-/ -a--/ -i-/ ----/, ---a-i--/ -a-/, ----/ --/ ----/,
-i--/ --/ -i--/, -----/, ----/ a-/ -a--/ --/ ---/ -a--/ --/ ------/.

[Finwe]

E's please.

[gilraën]

E added smilies/smile.gif


---/ i / a-/ a--ai-/ --e-e/ i-/ --/ ----i--e/ -----/:
-e/ -a-/ -a-e/ -i-/ ----/, --ea-i--/ -a-/, --e-/ --/ --e-/,
-i-e/ --/ -i-e/, -----/, ----/ a-/ -a--/ --/ ---/ -a--/ --/ ------/.

[Guinevere]

How about N ?

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 3:49 PM December 14, 2003: Message edited by: Guinevere ]

[Eruanna]

Hmm....and the Ts please?

[Catherine]

S please! smilies/smile.gif

[gilraën]

N, T and S added...........it all becomes clearer now smilies/smile.gif


--t/ i / a-/ a--ai-/ t-e-e/ is/ n-/ --ssi--e/ ----t/:
-e/ -a-/ -a-e/ -is/ s---/, snea-i--/ -a-/, ste-/ --/ ste-/,
-i-e/ --/ -i-e/, s--t-/, ---n/ at/ -ast/ t-/ t--/ -an-/ --/ ------/.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

But I am afraid there is no possible doubt; he had made his slow, sneaking way, step by step, mile by mile, south, down at last to the Land of Mordor.

smilies/smile.gif smilies/biggrin.gif smilies/wink.gif

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 9:39 PM December 14, 2003: Message edited by: Nilpaurion Felagund ]

[gilraën]

Exactly smilies/smile.gif

Your turn.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Alrighty, then...

----/---/-/----/----/---/---------/---/----/----/-/-----/----/---/------/--/---/---/---/-/-----/---------/----/--/-----/----/----/------/--/--/---/-----/---/----/---/---/ ------/--/-------/----/---/-------/----/---/-------/--/---------/---/----/---/-----/---/--------/--/-----/-----/--/---/------/--/--/----/----/---/-----/-/-----/---/---/------/--/-- -/----/----/---/-------/--/--

[Beren87]

Sheesh..

Let's start it with a P.

[Evisse the Blue]

And an E please.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Sheesh..

What?!? Like you've never seen a question this long before...you haven't??? *whimpers away*

Letters added: P, E

--e-/--e/-/----/----/---/----e----/---/--e-/---e/-/p--e-/--e-/--e/-e----/--/-e-/---/-e-/-/-----/---e---e-/----/--/-----/---e/-ee-/-e--e-/--/-e/---/-e-e-/-e-/--e-/---/---/--- -e-/--/-----e-/----/---/---e---/--e-/--e/----e--/--/-----e--e/---/--e-/--e/p----/---/e-------/--/--e--/-----/-e/--e/----e-/--/-e/----/----/---/-----/-/----e/---/--e/-e----/--/---/- ---/--e-/--e/-e---e-/--/--

[Eruanna]

T please smilies/smile.gif

[Guinevere]

How about N ?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Sorry for the delay. It seems my department was excited by the capture of Saddam... smilies/rolleyes.gif Anywhen...

Letters added: P, E, T, N...wait, isn't this an explosive? smilies/rolleyes.gif

T-e-/--e/-/----/----/-n-/--n-e----/-n-/t-e-/---e/-/p--e-/--e-/t-e/-e--t-/--/-en/-n-/-et/-/t--n-/---et--e-/t--t/-t/----t/---e/-een/-ette-/--/-e/---/ne-e-/-et/t-e-/--t/---/--- -e-/-n/-----e-/----/---/---e---/t-e-/--e/-n--ent/-n/-n---e--e/-n-/t-e-/--e/p----/-n-/en----n-/-n/t-e--/----t/-e/--e/----e-/--/-e/----/--t-/t--/-----/-/----e/-n-/t-e/-e---t/--/---/- ---/--e-/t-e/-e---e-/-n/--

[Phervasaion]

How about a h?

[gilraën]

Said by Sador to Turin about the Eldar. I have always loved this eloquent quote. smilies/smile.gif

"They are a fair folk and wonderful, and they have a power over the hearts of Men. And yet I think sometimes that it might have been better if we had never met them, but had walked in lowlier ways. For already they are ancient in knowledge; and they are proud and enduring. In their light we are dimmed, or we burn with too quick a flame, and the weight of our doom lies the heavier on us."

[Persephine]

Whoa Nelly, this place sure got large fast! There's a Palantir of Fortune THREE now !?!?!?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

gilraën strikes again...

[gilraën]

I apologise, but work is hectic, I've not had much time to get in to put a new one up, would someone like to take a turn instead? smilies/smile.gif

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

OK! smilies/smile.gif

------/---/--------/----/--/--/----/--/------/----/------/---/--/---/--/-----/---/--/----/---/-----/---/----/---/--/---/----/---/---/-----/--/--/--/--------/--/----/--/-- --/------

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

H

[Thorongil]

E

[Guinevere]

How about "N" ?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Letters added: H, E, N

-eh---/-he/----ne--/-h--/--/--/---h/--/----e-/---h/h---e-/---/--/---/--/h--e-/---/n-/-e--/-he/--e--/-e-/----/n--/-e/---/---e/---/---/--n--/--/--/--/----e-e-/--/---e/--/----/ -----h

[Guinevere]

Hmmm... smilies/rolleyes.gif T please!

[Thorongil]

Can I have some A's?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Letters added: H, E, N, T, A

-eh---/the/-a--ne--/th-t/--/t-/---e/--/----e-/--th/hat-e-/---/--/--t/-t/hate-/---/n-/-e--/the/--eat/-ea/----/n-t/-e/t--/---e/---/-t-/--n--/--/-t/--/----e-e-/t-/---e/t-/----/ ----th

[Guinevere]

Behold! The darkness that is to come is filled with hatred for us, but it hates you no less. The Great Sea will not be too wide for its wings, if it is suffered to come to full growth.
Gil-Galad in his letter to Meneldur, in U.T.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Quite fantastic!

Your turn! smilies/wink.gif

[Guinevere]

Thank you! smilies/smile.gif (Well, I could see Behold, hate , hatred and Great Sea... smilies/wink.gif
"---/ ---/ -----/ ----/ ---/ -----/ --/ ---/ --------/, -----/, --/ ---/ ------/ -------/ --/ ---/ -----/, ----/ ---/ ---/ ----/ ------/ ---------/, ---/ ---/ -----/ --/ ---/ -----/ -------/ --/ -----/ ---/ -/ -----/ --/ -------/ ----/ ----/ -----/ --/?

[Elrond of Rivendell]

S

[Eruanna]

May we have the Es please smilies/smile.gif

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Please drop in the T's. smilies/cool.gif

[Guinevere]

"--t/ ---/ ----s/ ---t/ s-e/ s---e/ t-/ t-e/ -----ess/, ----e/, --/ t-e/ --tte-/ --t--es/ --/ t-e/ ----t/, --e-/ ---/ -e-/ ---e/ see-e-/ s--------/, ---/ t-e/ ----s/ --/ -e-/ ---e-/ ---s---/ --/ ----t/ -e-/, -/ --t--/ t-/ t----e-/ s--e/ ----/ t----/ --/?

[Elrond of Rivendell]

Could we have the A's?

[Guinevere]

"--t/ ---/ ----s/ --at/ s-e/ s---e/ t-/ t-e/ -a---ess/, a---e/, --/ t-e/ --tte-/ -at--es/ --/ t-e/ ----t/, --e-/ a--/ -e-/ ---e/ see-e-/ s--------/, a--/ t-e/ -a--s/ --/ -e-/ ---e-/ ---s---/ --/ a---t/ -e-/, a/ --t--/ t-/ t-a--e-/ s--e/ ----/ t----/ --/? "

[Eruanna]

I think I have it:
"But who knows what she spoke to the darkness, alone, in the bitter watches of the night, when all her life seemed shrinking, and the walls of her bower closing in about her, a hutch to trammel some wild thing in?" smilies/smile.gif

Gandalf speaking to Eomer about Eowyn, in the Houses of Healing.

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 8:17 PM January 13, 2004: Message edited by: Eruanna ]

[Guinevere]

Yes, well done, Eruanna! smilies/smile.gif
(When I saw that the next post was yours, I was sure you had found it out smilies/wink.gif )
btw, I thought it strange that in the TTT movie Grima (of all people) spoke these insightful words... smilies/rolleyes.gif

[Eruanna]

Thank you smilies/smile.gif
I recognised the words "bitter watches of the night", so I knew who the speech was about. However, as you said, in the movie it's spoken by Grima, it took me a little while to remember that Gandalf was the real speaker!
Here's a new one...not too hard I think:

"------/-------,/--/-----,/----/--/-----/-/----/--/---/-----/--/----/--/-/------,/-/--------/----/---/--------/-----;/---/----/--/--/--,/-/-----/--,/--/-------/--/--/----."

Good Luck smilies/smile.gif

[Elrond of Rivendell]

Okay, let us start with S. smilies/smile.gif

[Eruanna]

Of coursse preciousss!

"------/s------,/--/-----,/----/s-/-----/-/----/--/---/-----/--/----/--/-/------,/-/--------/----/---/--------/S----;/---/s---/-s/--/-s,/-/----/-----/--,/--/-------/--/--/-- --."

[Elrond of Rivendell]

'Little service, no doubt, will so great a lord of Men think to find in a hobbit, a halfling from the northern Shire; yet such as it is, I will offer it, in payment of my debt.'

smilies/wink.gif

Minas Tirith - Pippin offering his services to Denethor in honour to Boromir's deeds.

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 2:05 PM January 14, 2004: Message edited by: Elrond of Rivendell ]

[Eruanna]

Goodness smilies/eek.gif
I thought it was easy, but not that easy!
Congratulations, Elrond smilies/cool.gif
Your turn!

[Elrond of Rivendell]

Thanks a lot Eruanna. (It was in fact the capital S who gave it away. smilies/biggrin.gif)

So here we go with a new one:

'--/---/-------/----/------/---/---/---, ---&------/---!
----/-----/---/----/--/---/----/-----, ---/----/---/---/---/---/---/----/-----/--/-.'

Please note: The & stands for a real hyphen. (e.g. ------&----- = Middle-Earth)

Let them come. smilies/smile.gif
Greetings,
EfR

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

The E's come flying in!!! smilies/biggrin.gif

[Gorwingel]

A's please smilies/biggrin.gif

(Gosh I was reading these posts, how you all get these so quickly! Amazing! *applaudes*)

[Guinevere]

How about "T" ?

[Elrond of Rivendell]

Letters added: E; A; T

--/---/----a-e/----/-at-e-/a--/---/---, ---&--tte-/---! -e-e/--a--/---/-a--/--/a--/----/---e-/a--/-e-e/-a-/---/-et/--e/--e/-a-e/-eat-/-s/-.

[Thorongil]

Are there any N's

[Elrond of Rivendell]

Yes, there are:

--/---/----a-e/----/-at-e-/an-/---/--n, ---&--tten/--n! -e-e/--a--/---/-a--/--/a--/----/---e-,/an-/-e-e/-a-/---/-et/--e/--e/-a-e/-eat-/-s/-.

[Eruanna]

How about the Ls?

[Elrond of Rivendell]

Here they are:

--/---/----a-e/----/-at-e-/an-/---/--n, -ll&--tten/--n! -e-e/--all/---/-a-l/--/all/----/---e-,/an-/-e-e/-a-/---/-et/--e/--e/-a-e/-eat-/-s/-.

[Guinevere]

"So you forsake your father and his kin, ill-gotten son! Here shall you fail of all your hopes, and here may you yet die the same death as I!" Eol to Maeglin.

[Elrond of Rivendell]

Perfectly correct. Good work Guinevere, please proceed.

Greetings,
EfR

[Guinevere]

Thank you, Elrond!
(thanks to Eruanna's L I finally managed to recognize "ill-gotten"! smilies/wink.gif ) "-----/ ---/ -----/! ---/ ---/ -----/ -----/ ----/ -/ ----/ --/ ----/, --/ ----/ ----/ -----/ --/ --/! ---/ ---/ -/ ----/ --/ ----/ ----/ ---/ ----/ ----/ ----/."

[Elrond of Rivendell]

Well, let's try the S'ses . smilies/biggrin.gif

[Guinevere]

SS coming up, my preciouss! "S---S/ ---/ -----/! ---/ ---/ ----S/ -----/ ----/ -/ S---/ --/ ----/, --/ ----/ ----/ -----/ --/ --/! ---/ ---/ -/ ----/ --/ ----/ ----/ ---/ ----/ ----/ S---/."

[Elrond of Rivendell]

Hmm... are there any E's ?

[Guinevere]

"S---S/ ---/ -----/! ---/ --E/ E--ES/ -----/ ---E/ -/ S---/ --/ ----/, --/ E-E-/ --E-/ -E---/ --/ --/! ---/ ---/ -/ ---E/ --/ -E--/ --E-/ ---/ -E--/ --E-/ S---/."

[NightKnight]

R, please?

[Guinevere]

"S--RS/ ---/ ---R-/! ---/ --E/ E--ES/ -----/ ---E/ -/ S---/ --/ ----/, --/ E-ER/ --E-/ -E-R-/ --/ --/! ---/ ---/ -/ ---E/ --/ -E--/ --E-/ ---/ -E-R/ --E-/ S---/."

[Eruanna]

I'm sure I know this one, but I can't quite place it smilies/rolleyes.gif
May we have the As please Guinevere?

[Estanesse]

And a H please

[Guinevere]

"S-ARS/ A--/ ---R-/! ---/ -HE/ E--ES/ -----/ -A-E/ A/ S---/ --/ -HA-/, --/ E-ER/ -HE-/ HEAR-/ --/ --/! A--/ -A-/ -/ ---E/ --/ -E--/ -HE-/ A--/ HEAR/ -HE-/ S---/."
some more clues now! smilies/wink.gif

[Eruanna]

Found it smilies/smile.gif

" Stars and glory! But the Elves would make a song of that, if ever they heard of it! And may I live to tell them and hear them sing."

Sam to Frodo in Shelob's lair after Frodo has used the star - glass.