Tol-in-Gaurhoth (Isle of Werewolves) [Archive] - Page 15

JennyHallu

07-12-2006, 10:06 AM

Better yet, before you push the "submit reply" button, look at your post in preview mode to see how others will be seeing it.While I agree with Ang on the editting of posts, the above is an excellent suggestion, and requires very little additional effort on our part, just a moment's extra thought before we post. (I have difficulty with copying into Word: for some reason it copies back with all sorts of messy formatting tags.) Following this guideline may help improve more than our tempers, but our tactics and communication also, both vital to successful werewolfing, whether we're trying for clarity or obfuscation.

Thank you, Esty.

P.S. Obfuscation is an incredibly nifty little word, is it not?

Estelyn Telcontar

07-12-2006, 10:07 AM

Ang, as I understand it, this discussion deals mostly with the after-game discussion, not so much with the game itself. I can understand that editing during the game might be tricky - but writing and saving in Word is still a good idea.

edit: Cross-posted with Jenny and Rune - it's good to hear your confirmations of a method or two that can help all over the board. I wish more people would do it in Books etc. as well! ;)

Roa_Aoife

07-12-2006, 10:10 AM

Ang, no one blamed Valesse for anything. In fact, it was made clear in several posts that Valesse had done exceptionally well, and that anything being talked about was not her fault in the least.

And Esty, I don't cool down quickly at all. I'm hotheaded, not moody. I don't change how I feel from one moment to the next. It may take me a day or two to calm down. Perhaps it would be better for me to not engage at all, in that case, an idea that hasn't been stated. As they say, "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all." But what I meant by "slip" is that I generally don't realize that I'm being offensive. In fact, I'm almost always taken by surprise when people take what I've said as a personal attack. As what I write isn't written with that intent, I don't see how that intent is found. It takes a direct personal attack, with my name in it and direct statements to me, before I see something as personal. So, when I make a general statement about the way things went, I don't assume that anyone will think it's directed at them personally. I've never understood why people do so, and I think that's at least one of the major causes of all the tension. All I can do is try to tone down as much as possible, which I've already said I will do.

EDIT: For heaven's sake people, I said I'll try, but I'm not perfect. I'm bound to mess it up at some point and when that happens I'm trying to let you know in advance that I'm not trying to attack anyone personally. What more do you want from me?

Anguirel

07-12-2006, 10:19 AM

All the same, Roa, I'm sure you can see that indirect criticism can be pretty depressing for a mod too. Put yourself in the position-you read several posts that basically say

Thanks Roa!!!! Great job!!!

No one really played well and it was a bad game.

Not especially heartening, is it, scarcely proof that you've put your time and effort to good use...so really, I think more care should be taken.

Mithalwen

07-12-2006, 11:41 AM

Well, as I said before, you don't have to participate in the post game talk if you don't want to. There's nothing wrong with that. But you have to concede that there are some players who enjoy it. Recapitulation accompanied with a little analysis of why the game went the way it did is a lot of fun, too. It has nothing to do with grading people's games. Far from it.

The talk after Valesse's game went wrong, one cannot deny that. Banning it now is too harsh a measure to me. (Warning: lame analogy ahead!) The child fell from the apple tree. Do you forbid it to climb again? No, you just tell it to be more careful the next time. :)

If someone criticises you, either directly or indirectly, (and to use an analogy from my grim teaching days Offsted were not allowed to name individual teachers only subject areas - however if as in my case you were the only teacher of a subject...how "impersonal" is that?) then your choice is compromised. I can choose whether or not to comment on others but if someone attacks me I am obliged to defend myself or put up with the aggrievement - which is not psychologically healthy.

As a liberal I am not generally into banning anything but my liberalism is in combination with (or perhaps the product of..)an old fashioned British upbringing that expects you to be a good loser (and that doesn't mean you like losing) and magnanimous in victory. I would hope players would be largely self regulating. If this is not possible and since there are inevitably different perspectives of what is acceptable in a diverse community such as ours then you need to set up a regulatory system.

My game is rugby. I played for my university and we played hard and to win -but it is a game where people get hurt very badly if players lose self control and break the rules. In the heat of the moment you can get carried away which is why strong refereeing is necessary. It isn't generally necessary during post match parties. :rolleyes:

So Mac, I would certainly let the child climb the tree but I would stop its siblings from carping, crowing and generally destroying its self-esteem. Having been the one who fell the child is acutely aware of their failure and don't need their nose rubbed in it.

I do think that courtesy to mods is something that should be borne in mind. It isn't easy. I do recommend the use of a dedicated admin thread. I found it helpful.

Although it isn't my choice to do so for my own games, I have no objection to the grimoire in its original form as a record of games. It has lost much of its usefulness, I fee,l with people repeatedly posting updated personal stats in a new post.

I would suggest that if people wish to publicise their personal record a new thread is created. They make ONE post and update it after each game. The original thread should then be cleansed to leave game stats only. You then have 2 useful threads in which it is much easier to find information.

Edit. Can I go at the end of the modding list. We should be ready by then. :cool:

Holbytlass

07-12-2006, 08:12 PM

I do not wish to see the postgame talk banned. I liken it to watching 'behind-the-scenes' of movie making. It's fun to read why the wolves killed whom they did, where players were coming from or why mistakes were made (my abysmal understanding of the tied rule comes to mind :rolleyes: :D ).

I understand where some would want to talk and get to concrete resolutions for doing better in the future but in a way it is futile because the next game is different with different players and having different roles. We each can just do our best.

As a werewolf player that's all I've got to say.

Valesse

07-14-2006, 09:54 AM

Oh my goodness! I was away all week teaching Vacation Bible School and had no idea any of this went on! How embarassing!

It might not be the most intelligent or original, but there is something to be said about redundency.

1) Post-discussion, as I see it, is more a place to washing your hands after making somewhat harder comments during the game. Like in real life, if you're finding yourself getting irritated with something you don't have to respond. I've said somethings I didn't understand to be as harsh as they were to one of my peers, and from that have come to understand the other side of the pond just a little better.

2) Werewolf is not about honor, either. Lets not forget that the entire point of the game is for a select few to trick people! If we're get hung up on our pointed noses, then it's time to fix something, and I'm not just talking about plastic surgery.

3) There are some remarkibly talented players in this forum who I'd love to continue playing with. It is a delightful game, after all, and most of us agree on at least that. All I have to add is: Play like you're seven, and your mother is watching... we should have no problems.

4) My thread was a WW Jr. ... The 'professionalism' in those games should be not be automatically expected to be on the same level as the original series. The point is to nurture, not to snub.

Thank you, everyone, for your kind words about my game. My jaw nearly hit the floor when I first read what happened, and this makes me feel much better.

Sleepy Ranger

07-14-2006, 10:23 AM

I'll have the admin thread for my game up tomorrow (15th) and I'll also talk to the three aplicants for sub-mod and see which one would go best with what I have planned.

:)

Meneltarmacil

07-16-2006, 04:43 PM

Well, I'd like to get back into the werewolf games myself (it's been way too long) but sadly I'm going to be leaving for a vacation on July 25th and will not be back until early August. If it's okay with Sleepy, I'd like to join, but if not, I understand.

This seems to be the busiest summer I've ever had...

Sleepy Ranger

07-16-2006, 10:52 PM

Glirdan

07-17-2006, 08:49 AM

Okay. There's only one problem with that....I DON'T HAVE ANY PLAYERS!!! So, please guys, come join the game so we can get this party started again. Forget all the animosity and have fun again. That's all I have to say.

Thinlómien

07-28-2006, 09:40 AM

I know it is not wise to start this discussion again, but having missed the original discussion, I'd like to say a few words.

Now, I see not all people like criticism, even if it is only well-meaning. And that's okay. People are different. Maybe these people could say "I don't want any comments on my gameplay" and they'd be left in peace?

Secondly, I think it'd be a wise idea to send criticism (if one feel it's really necessary - in most games I've played in there hasn't be such a need, at least for me) via PMs. When criticism is displayed on the post-game discussion (which should not be banned because it's a part of the fun) it easily leads to one member saying: "I didn't like x's playing style" and many others echoing in a row "me neither". That must be distressing for the subject.
Also, if criticism is sent via PMs, only those who really have something to say will do it and people won't probably complain about incy-wincy little things.

Thirdly, I fully understand why some players dislike a certain quiet style. There's nothing wrong with posting only a few posts, but if a player posts only 0-2 posts every day, all of them in-character or chatting and a random vote (if a vote at all), that really isn't playing. I have seen this kind of "playing" and I can say I dislike it. If a wolf wins because s/he is mostly absent or posts only a few mindless sentences in a day - and is not suspected because no one thinks a wolf would be so non-commitent - I think it's cowardly. Werewolf is a game which needs commitment. If one can not write at least one mindful post a day, s/he shouldn't be playing, in my opinion. Happily, most of the quiet players are not like this.

The Saucepan Man

07-28-2006, 10:05 AM

If a wolf wins because s/he is mostly absent or posts only a few mindless sentences in a day - and is not suspected because no one thinks a wolf would be so non-commitent - I think it's cowardly.Perhaps. But it is nevetheless an entirely valid strategy and, the way I see it, the victorious Werewolf is no less deserving of the win. It's up to the innocents to be aware of the possibility of this strategy being employed. And, if they are, it can just as easily lead to an early lynching for being too quiet.

Indeed, we know that people are alive to this strategy, as players (usually innocent ones) are often lynched for being too quiet. This would suggest to me that there is some skill involved in being able to pull of the "quiet Wolf" strategy and that those who succeed accordingly deserve just as much recognition for having played well as any other victorious Wolf.

Thinlómien

07-28-2006, 10:23 AM

I see your point, Sauce.

It is not the lack of posts I dislike. It's the lack of commitment. If a gifted or a wolf plays the days this always away/ quiet tactis, but contributes at nights by really thinking about his/her pics, I really don't have anything against the style. But if someone lacks the interest or the time to commit to werewolf and therefore is continuously away or posts only a few chat posts if anything, I think s/he shouldn't be playing at all until s/he takes interest in playing or has time.

Werewolf is only a game, but if you're trying to do your best and someone is not doing - not necessarily his/her best, but not even trying to contribute anything to the game - it can be really irritating and depressing for you.

Kath

08-01-2006, 08:01 AM

Umm, is it me or should there be a game being set up at the moment? There was a mod list somewhere around here once upon a time. I know these recent troubles have put people off a little but the only thing to do is 'get back on the horse' as the saying goes.

Do we have any idea who is supposed to be next? Or even who wants to be?

Sleepy Ranger

08-01-2006, 08:03 AM

I'm supposed to be next but apparently Werewolf games are on hiatus or so Glirdan has told me.

Glirdan

08-01-2006, 08:06 AM

Not told you, suggested. I mean nobody is signing up for them so I say this is the perfect time to take a break from it, especially after all that disagreeing. So, I'm still keeping my thread open for signing up, but I really doubt that there will be any game starting before September.

Sleepy Ranger

08-01-2006, 08:08 AM

Macalaure

08-01-2006, 08:25 AM

I mean nobody is signing up for them so I say this is the perfect time to take a break from it, especially after all that disagreeing.

Why did so few sign up for Glirdan's game?

Holidays? Too much work? Played too much werewolf lately? Or are you really upset about that stupid quarrel?

By the way, I didn't sign up because of the roleplay element in the game. I'm not really into that. But I'm impatiently waiting for Sleepy's.

Kath

08-01-2006, 08:27 AM

Hmm that could be a good point Mac, Glirdan's does have that extra element that some players might not like. Sleepy, are you actually busy at the moment or could you mod?

Sleepy Ranger

08-01-2006, 08:31 AM

I can mod but as I said I'll be away from the computer till the 7th. If you'd like I can set up the admin thread right now so people can sign up and then I can probably start the game as soon as I get back home. Then again we'd also have to work out certain parts of the rules and the deadline so it'd probably start by the 10th. Actually I will set it up now so people can sign up.

Macalaure

08-01-2006, 08:42 AM

Hmmm...

As much as I like the idea of having a game to play this month, this was not the intention of my post. I fear a little that this will draw even more players away from Glirdan.

On the other hand, if Sleepy starts around the 10th, then the game will most probably be finished before September, when Glirdan plans to begin.

Kath

08-01-2006, 08:45 AM

My feeling was that players who have been put off by what's been going on might appreciate a slightly simpler game to start off with, which I'm hoping Sleepy's is. Then, when his is over those who played will hopefully have begun to enjoy themselves again, as well as anyone watching, and then more players will want to join Glirdan's game having got back into the swing of things.

Also as you say the timings should work out pretty well.

Glirdan

08-01-2006, 08:47 AM

That actually sounds like a fair idea to me. Of course, even while this is going on, I will still gladly accept anybody who would like to sign up for mine and any questions, just ask. ;)

Sleepy Ranger

08-01-2006, 09:06 AM

The admin thread is up and I seem to have forgotten the most important rule. How typically me. Have a look if you'd like to join.

Macalaure

08-11-2006, 03:17 AM

Holidays? Too much work? Played too much werewolf lately? Or are you really upset about that stupid quarrel?

By the way, I didn't sign up because of the roleplay element in the game. I'm not really into that. But I'm impatiently waiting for Sleepy's.

Looking at the number of sign-ups for Sleepy's game, I guess it wasn't the roleplay element.
Let's hope there will be more players once autumn comes.

Meneltarmacil

08-19-2006, 03:08 PM

I honestly don't know why almost nobody seems to want to play Werewolf anymore. It may have something to do with The Great Golden Hoard, but I'm not so sure. Where are SpM, phantom, dancing spawn, Boromir88, Wilwa, LMP, Firefoot, Eomer the Ever-Suspicious, and Nilp the Suicidal these days? I'm seriously considering PMing people within the next few days...

mormegil

08-19-2006, 03:19 PM

As for me the last game I played in left a bit of a sour taste in my mouth and I think most of us, I know I did, needed a break from it. I think my passion is coming back though and may be interested in signing up again soon.

Nogrod

08-19-2006, 04:11 PM

To state the obvious: it's a combination of all of these reasons...

I myself have had a busy / erratic time as comes to staying online on daily basis and therefore have not wanted to sign up in any game. I still think that you will have to have the time and resources to really play and not just hang around - tactics or not.

But I would be happy to join a new game soon enough - and hopefully my eagerness to join doesn't have the effect of drawing down the numbers here.

I don't exactly understand what went so wrong a couple of months ago. I see the basic problem, surely, but the effects seem far too heavy in respect of the primary problem. Aren't we all capable of learning? Shouldn't we trust each other that much?

Werewolfing is great fun and it would be sad if it would dry out just because of one game.

Eomer of the Rohirrim

08-20-2006, 08:06 AM

It is great fun, but so many of us have played so many games that it becomes less of a thrill. Everything diminishes, we should know this better than most other people on the internet!

I'd like to play in a no-frills game.

Thinlómien

08-20-2006, 08:15 AM

Sleepy Ranger

08-20-2006, 09:44 AM

I think one of the problems is that we're having two games to start at the same time. People must choose a game and thus both games end up short of players. If Glirdy and Sleepy could make an agreement, which game is to be played first, I (and probably some other players) could play in both and both games would be played and the tradition would continue...

We've already done that a long time back. Whoever gets the required players first will start and the other will hold their game later. In case you've not noticed both Glirdy and I have signed up for each other's games.

Thinlómien

08-20-2006, 10:32 AM

We've already done that a long time back. Whoever gets the required players first will start and the other will hold their game later. In case you've not noticed both Glirdy and I have signed up for each other's games.Alright. then I'll go and sign up for Glirdy's game too. :)

Feanor of the Peredhil

08-20-2006, 01:19 PM

Do we have a list of upcoming mods? I glanced through a few pages, but couldn't find a recent one. Now that I have more time, I'd like to play a game or two, and when I'm given the opportunity, I'd like to run another game.

Meneltarmacil

08-20-2006, 01:50 PM

Well Fea, Glirdan's currently modding a game that still needs a few players, so you could sign up there. Feel free to mod; however, Sleepy will have a game started right after Glirdan's is over, so you might have to wait a while.

I'm actually thinking about modding a game myself sometime this fall...

Feanor of the Peredhil

08-20-2006, 01:56 PM

I can wait. What I want is not to be rushed, anyhow.

littlemanpoet

08-20-2006, 03:11 PM

Has that list of moderators in waiting been trashed? I recall being on it....

Feanor of the Peredhil

08-20-2006, 03:25 PM

I recall you being on it as well. I also seem to remember mormegil on it. No worries about me snaking a spot of my own accord. I'm only going to slip in when my dream team has responded as a whole and we've worked out when is best for everybody.

Diamond18

08-20-2006, 03:43 PM

littlemanpoet

08-20-2006, 07:07 PM

I would be willing to give over my spot to Feanor, and offer Diamond the 'rights' to do a "Dueling Wizards" werewolf game if she so desires. And if she does, I would be willing to either shut up and let her run the thing or offer any advice that is asked for.

It should be noted, in such a context, were it to become a reality, that I have said "yes" to Roa and Valier to be the sub-mods for my game. That is, of course, completely non-binding upon Diamond if she wishes to do a DW werewolf game. Nevertheless, I must offer my apologies to R & V for stepping down and potentially withdrawing their opportunities to sub-mod such a game.

Feanor of the Peredhil

08-20-2006, 07:54 PM

Many thanks, my friend. Whether I can accept the offer will depend on what time frame is best for the players I'm bribing. ;) If they tell me to wait until next year, I'll do it. :eek: :)

Oddwen

08-20-2006, 08:36 PM

I'd still like to mod again, but it looks like I might not be able to until sometime next year...you can put me on the tail end of the list if you want, though the way it's going you may not have to. ;)

Diamond18

08-20-2006, 09:30 PM

Actually I have that Lovers game in the works, which I'm still rather into even though it promises to be a complicated near-impossibility, and so I would have to pass on doing a DW style game.

Mithalwen

08-21-2006, 06:09 AM

Sleepy Ranger
Gurthang
Anguirel
The Saucepan Man
littlemanpoet
Oddwen
mormegil
Durelin
Diamond

That I think is the last most current list. Not sure though, it's hard to find stuff in this massive thread.
I did ask to be put on the list too..........as a long term project ..which may be even more long term...

Anguirel

08-29-2006, 01:43 AM

Don't worry, Mith-you can take my place in the list. You've been waiting for aeons, and we are going to be co-operating after all.

Oh, by the way, I'm back and at your service...

Folwren

09-16-2006, 08:53 PM

Oh, how funny that the list of mods should be the last thing talked about.

Well, I'd like to be added onto the list. It doesn't matter to me when. . .if my turn never comes 'round, so be it, but I'd like to try.

I'd also be interested in joining in the next game, if there's another one coming up and if there's still room.

-- Folwren

Boromir88

09-16-2006, 09:05 PM

Folwren, after Glirdan's game is finished Sleepy is starting his. We'd love to have you. :)

Sleepy's Game (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=13067)

Nogrod

09-23-2006, 12:44 PM

I have sent this post to the WWJ-thread as the discussion about this is ranging around in there at the moment. But just for you too to think and comment over, I'll send it here too...

----------------------
I see the problem as follows.

We do not have as many players wishing to play as we had last spring (or earlier, as I have only been told). So there are not enough people to make two games simultaneously.

That requires something like co-ordination. Making WW and WWJ games go one after another would do the trick, as it has done for the last games anyhow? (And then there is all that discussion, whether it's wise to have those both separated in the first place)

Still I think that having both of these threads / arenas open will give us more flexibility as some games might go on simultaneosly if there were enough players around, but when not, the one game might wait for the other to end or release enough dead-ones to jump to the other game.

No one can really play in two games at the same time, we all know that. So if only a handfuyl of people wish to play, why not arrange a possibility for everyone? The most stupid thing is to have two games about to begin, but neither being actually able to start as the one has 10 players and the second 12, all just waiting for someone else to make a move...

What I mean? I could play in both Sleepy's and Valier's game, surely. But as Sleepy's game has been announced earlier, I have put myself in that list. If those wishing to play and have only listed to the Valier-game could be assured that they can take part in Valier's too, they might sign in the Sleepy game and that could go forwards tomorrow...

Ideas?

Gil-Galad

09-23-2006, 01:42 PM

I'm still saying that my game requires quite a bit of players, so combining both WW and WWJ after Sleepy's and valiers games are done seems like a good choice for me

Thinlómien

10-04-2006, 02:10 AM

I'm still saying that my game requires quite a bit of players, so combining both WW and WWJ after Sleepy's and valiers games are done seems like a good choice for meSo your game is the next? Or Gurthang's?
:confused:

Gurthang

10-05-2006, 10:01 AM

As to me modding a game... I'd say unlikely. I know right now I wouldn't have the time, but I'd still like to keep my name there just in case. I may decide to just forsake that extra bit of sleep each night so I can host a game. :D

I'll see when the time comes.

Naria

10-05-2006, 10:24 AM

Hmm, let me know if I've messed up on this list :)

Okay sooo there's

Gurthang was next, but he doesn't know now(?)
Ang is allowing Mith to do hers in his place...she would be next then?
Fea(Elempi is allowing her to take his spot)
Morm
Durelin
Diamond
Oddwen
Foley

Gil is on the wwj list.

The Saucepan Man

10-05-2006, 10:27 AM

You can take me off the list. I have hung up my werewolving paws for the time being.

Volo

10-05-2006, 10:36 AM

Seeing that there are two lists, but not seeing much difference in Glirdan's and Sleepy Ranger's games that I have played. What is the difference between WW and WWJ? They did seem to have more difference earlier, but now the popularity of WW seems to have been going down and both games have the same amount of players.

Thinlómien

10-06-2006, 03:41 AM

What if everyone who wants to mod a game finds the latests modding list from the thread and just reposts it with his/her name in the end? And the same goes for all the changes?

The current system seems to cause confusion and people ending up with different lists.

Naria

10-06-2006, 11:34 AM

That sounds like a really good idea Lommy! :D

What is the difference between WW and WWJ?
My initial understanding was that ww 'senior' was supposed to be just that, a senior game, where more experienced players would get to play in, if the mod wanted, a more complex game with the ability to have more players join. The wwj game were supposed to be for the less experienced or people who didn't want to get involved in a complex game. I think having it this way gives newbies a chance to play in a game with a little less tension and also gives them a chance to 'get their feet wet' with a smaller group(no more than 15 players, preferably less). I don't really know what happened to this 'system' of werewolf.

mormegil

10-06-2006, 10:29 PM

What is the difference between WW and WWJ?

Naria you are correct in your response however, there is one key point you didn't add and that is that WWJ is mainly there as an overflow. When WW games are too crowded we can have a second WWJ game playing concurrently.

I feel with the popularity declining a bit we probably should slow our games down on the Junior thread and stick to the WW thread for any games.

Rune Son of Bjarne

10-07-2006, 03:22 AM

If we do so, I think we should make it so that people that have never played before can "push" expirienced players out. . . . I remember when I wanted to join the first time, you really had to be fast, as the games were full in no time.

Thinlómien

10-07-2006, 05:01 AM

I feel with the popularity declining a bit we probably should slow our games down on the Junior thread and stick to the WW thread for any games.I disagree. I think the current system is just fine; no there can be a planning discussion for the next game in the other thread and current game admin in the other thread. Besides, I don't see two "branches" being a problem, I'd rather think that if we shut down the junior ones, the games would get crowded. All who wish should be able to play.

Kath

10-07-2006, 07:31 AM

I agree with Lommy. Plus if we tried to merge the threads again now we would have an enormous list of mods. There are at least 6 on this thread and 6 on WWJ who want to mod next and trying to get all that in order would cause more problems than its worth. There doesn't seem to be major problem with the current system now, and it may be wise to keep it in case the desire to play does pick up again later in the year.

Speaking of mods though, who is next?

Anguirel

10-07-2006, 08:43 AM

Well, in theory Gurthang. But he seems doubtful.

Which means it's me. I could start my planned game but I'm not sure it would have my full attention at the moment, as I'm still getting a Shire RP prepared and I'm also trying to get into quite a good university...

I suggested that Mith take my slot sometime back. She's been planning a game with me as her co-mod for some time. So if she feels up to launching it that would be splendid.

If Mith too feels busy though, then it's LMP's turn.

Thinlómien

10-11-2006, 01:48 AM

littlemanpoet

10-11-2006, 03:53 AM

If Mith too feels busy though, then it's LMP's turn.In which case I give my turn over to Feanor, as I have said I would; I'm too busy right now.

Anguirel

10-11-2006, 03:59 AM

Well I'm fairly certain Fea's busier still, for at least a week, so she told me. morm - the parcel's in your hands.

Feanor of the Peredhil

10-11-2006, 06:19 AM

Well I'm fairly certain Fea's busier still, for at least a week, so she told me. morm - the parcel's in your hands.
Indeed. *sigh*

I should *crosses fingers* be clear to think about this again after the 20th, so whenever after that circumstances allow...

Diamond18

10-13-2006, 07:44 AM

If neither Morm or Durelin are able (heh, this next game seems to be the hot potato of WW) then it's my turn... and I'm rather busy this next week, but no busier than I'm likely to be for the next X number of weeks. So I'm not adverse to setting up a game whenver the potato may land in my lap. Of course, the game I had in mind requires a fairly large amount of players. So if everyone is too busy to mod, that doesn't bode well for the kind of game I have in mind.

Volo

10-13-2006, 07:48 AM

I have nothing against the next game starting next month, but I somehow doubt that others will agree...

Nogrod

10-16-2006, 04:52 PM

If we are in actual need for the next one to host a game, I might like to try one as I have almost two weeks of sick leave left after the surgery I underwent last thursday, and even though I have a pile of exams to check and a need to arrange things for my substitute next week, I think I would have time to think about a game too...

I know, I've enlisted myself to the Junior thread modding but if no one will start a new one here, then I could do it (and remove my reservation from the Jr. thread then).

What I had in mind would be quite a basic game but with the overall assumption that everyone would be free to try very different approaches than they normally do. So outspoken ones would be able to just leave occasional notes of being present and giving "random votes" and those normally quiet could go on theorising without being suspected of that changed behaviour...

I'm not sure if that is a good idea as there is the danger that the vocal ones turn silent but the silent ones don't turn vocal. But I think there are other ways of "being different than normal" than just on volume.

The best way for this would surely be playing with false identities, but as B-W turned this option down quite definitively when I inquiered it the last time, I'm not going to try it again. But we could just play a game with the presumption that no one plays like one usually does. That would give everyone a chance to play in a different role or stance from what they have been used to and try different things if referring to earlier instances would be somehow denied or at least discouraged (as it woulds be an open option to play differently). And newbies surely would be welcomed too.

In the Grimoire-thread it is noted that the villagers are taking the upper hand. Now if the earlier playing styles couldn't be referred to the scales would be more even?

I'm not wishing to push myself or my ideas but I just saw that there seems to be a problem here and I might have the time to build up the next game. Surely anyone next in the line may take the game - and feel free to use my suggestions as well - I would be the first one to assign myself to a game like that... :)

And if you see problems in my proposal, please voice them.

Kuruharan

10-16-2006, 05:20 PM

But we could just play a game with the presumption that no one plays like one usually does. That would give everyone a chance to play in a different role or stance from what they have been used to and try different things if referring to earlier instances would be somehow denied or at least discouraged (as it woulds be an open option to play differently).

I'm afraid it might be way to easy for people to just slip back into their normal personalities without thinking of it. (I mean, it is their normal personality after all ;) ). I think that this would also happen as the pressure mounted.

Speaking for myself, I'm pretty sure that at some point (pretty early on) I'd not be able to keep myself from slipping back into my usual verbal pomposity. ;)

Durelin

10-16-2006, 05:29 PM

A few wins in a row doesn't necessarily mean they have the 'upper hand.' It's like flipping a coin. You may get 'tails' ten times in a row, but if you flip it enough times, it's going to even out. Maybe. At least, I think there's a good bit of luck involved, as well as skill.

I had proposed a 'masquerade ball' game some time ago that I still wish to do, in which people try their hardest to play as their chosen masked identity would play (their identity for the 'ball' being that of another Downer).

But...

The best way for this would surely be playing with false identities, but as B-W turned this option down quite definitively when I inquiered it the last time, I'm not going to try it again.

I guess that rules that out...

I would love to run a game (though I guess not quite like what I had in mind), but I'm not sure if I can manage it right now. I'd like to keep my name on the mod list, though, if at all possible, for sometime soon (maybe not until mid-late November, though, for 'Thanksgiving break')...

Edit: I just went to look again at the old 'TiG scenarios' thread, and see that you commented on my idea, Nogrod. Did you ask the BW about that one, or another similar idea...or just the general idea of 'identities?' Just out of curiosity. :D

Nogrod

10-16-2006, 05:48 PM

I'm afraid it might be way to easy for people to just slip back into their normal personalities without thinking of it. (I mean, it is their normal personality after all ;) ). I think that this would also happen as the pressure mounted.

Speaking for myself, I'm pretty sure that at some point (pretty early on) I'd not be able to keep myself from slipping back into my usual verbal pomposity. ;) I fear you're more than right here Kuru. That is the real problem. Under pressure one tends to go for one's normal self and that's it. But maybe we could try? I don't know. That was why I asked your opinions...

I had proposed a 'masquerade ball' game some time ago that I still wish to do, in which people try their hardest to play as their chosen masked identity would play (their identity for the 'ball' being that of another Downer).As we discussed this earlier (if I remember this right?), I love the idea, but it would require some really wholeheartedly involved Downers to actually carry the masque of another Downer. It would be more than fun indeed. It would be just great, but it would require lots of involvement too. We should have to require an oath before the gamethat everyone is knowingly bound to playing a certain role... Those roles could surely be handled secrectly between the Mod and the players and the players should have the freedom to choose anyone they wish?

Sorry to be pessimistic about this one. Even though I would love it!
(Just thinking of myself playing in a role of fex. my daughter Lommy - being able to be as witty as she is and as flip-floppy at the same time! :rolleyes: )

Nogrod

10-16-2006, 05:56 PM

Sorry to double-post...

But it just came to me. If I were to play this game of "don't be yourself", I might fex. try to be like Spawn and post rarely but with damning analysis of those I think suspicious, not trying to explain any points made over myself or overtly anyhow. So just playing the cool analysist. It might be both rewarding and fun-fun-fun.

So there are many options to all of us. Just trying not to play as one would normally do - even if the situation is tight (yes Kuru, I still am afraid you're right about this, but at least I myself would be ready to try it, whoever mods the game).

Durelin

10-16-2006, 05:57 PM

Yes, you're quite right about the dedication. Really, I was thinking mostly that choosing other 'roles' would just have been fun, and I wasn't really all that concerned with whether or not people stick to them really really closely or anything. I never really expected anyone to be able to do it. But perhaps the fact that it would simply be for humour/entertainment reasons means it's not a very good idea, either.

I should perhaps take these things more seriously? Probably. :D

I guess making sure people took the game seriously but keeping it all in good fun is constantly a precarious balance. I don't expect extreme dedication out of anyone, but perhaps I should expect more? I don't quite know.

Obviously it can't hurt at all to tell people that they should try to play differently than they have in the past in a (the next?) game, but I don't think we should put so much pressure on such that it be 'bad' if someone slips back into their old habits, which they will most likely do, anyway. Still, if perhaps there is some rhyme or reason to the new style of play, it might actually be easier for someone to try and play differently? Thus, maybe choosing certain roles/styles (not necessarily other 'Downers as in my one idea), would actually help? *shrugs*

Nogrod

10-16-2006, 06:01 PM

Still, if perhaps there is some rhyme or reason to the new style of play, it might actually be easier for someone to try and play differently? Thus, maybe choosing certain roles/styles (not necessarily other 'Downers as in my one idea), would actually help? *shrugs*That is just what I meant! If people are given something like an overall freedom from their past - in a sense that no one can somehow suspect any other from the behaviour of their "ancestors" as it is the central thing of this would-be game to handle it otherwise - it will give everyone much more space and thence making the game much more fun...

Durelin

10-16-2006, 06:09 PM

Cool, cool. Should these changes of style and the like be official, in that each player must (or maybe not must, but is encouraged to) choose one, and inform the game moderator of it (maybe only if they wouldn't mind), though of course not the other players? That might give people a little more insentive. Is that what you had in mind? Of course, there would be no penalty from straying from their chosen 'style,' but perhaps, after the game, those that don't mind could reveal the 'style' they chose, and people could let them know how well they think the person stuck to their chosen 'style.' Could start a mini WW 'workshop' group or something. :D

(Sorry if I'm just repeating what's already been said. I'm having a little trouble following things tonight.)

Nogrod

10-16-2006, 06:52 PM

Well. In earnest I believe we might make the 15 players (about) with a game with not-normal roles.

But making the same amount with definitive roles (eg. Nogrod playing Spawn, Valier playing Spm, Lommy playing Glirdan... etc.) will be much tougher.

I would love the last one, but I'm also afraid we will not have enough players here. Prove me wrong...

And really, if someone in the line of the TIG-thread wishes to take the game, please do take it. I have just volunteered because of my sick leave and because no one seems to be wishing to go for it.

Durelin

10-16-2006, 06:57 PM

I'd say go for it if no one speaks up soon, though of course first dibs should go to the rest of the people left on the mod list who have not passed their opportunity aside for now, I believe.

Diamond
Oddwen
Folwren

Are the next three on the last list who have not yet passed on modding, I think...

(I'm working from Naria's post (http://forums.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=492418&postcount=3554).)

Meneltarmacil

10-16-2006, 07:01 PM

Well, I'd certainly be willing to start one after the current WWJ is over if nobody else will, and since the villagers are getting better and better now I'm thinking it's time for the Black Beorning to show up again.

However, I'll step aside if someone on the mod list or whatever steps in.

This idea of "not-normal roles" sounds intriguing. I'd like to try my hand at Nilpaurion Felagund's style, personally.

No, you wouldn't. Trust me on this.

Be quiet already.

Kuruharan

10-16-2006, 07:21 PM

You also have issues of lots of players have similar styles to some extent.

Although...Nilp is...Nilp.

Nogrod

10-16-2006, 07:50 PM

You also have issues of lots of players have similar styles to some extent.

Although...Nilp is...Nilp.Sure. But trying to be Spawn or Spm would be much more challenging... and much more fun indeed!

It's all the same to me who mods the game we're talking about here. Maybe the next Mod wishes something completely different and this discussion should be shoven off...

But if we are having a slow-down here, I might apply for the modding as I have two weeks of spare time to actually do something about it. But as well, I would really enjoy playing the game myself as well...

So who's next? So far all the people have just avoided their turns...

Meneltarmacil

10-16-2006, 07:55 PM

Actually, I'd like to be involved in playing the aforementioned game rather than modding it. I defer to whoever would like to mod that one.

If nothing gets started, though, I'll be doing a more "standard" one that'll involve the return of the werebear, which should hopefully be more challenging. Though perhaps adding a fourth Wolf might be a good idea...

Diamond18

10-17-2006, 12:51 AM

I already said that I would mod if the people ahead of me on the list were not able or wanting to at this point.... I'm busy but I will be this same level of busy for a long time, ergo I'll just have to work around it if I ever want to mod again.

I could work on a post outlining my game (I've some posts in the Scenario thread about it) and put up a Sign Up thread. The only problem is, how long do you think it would take me to get 20 players? Because that's how many I'd like, and would be happy with more. If you think that someone with a smaller game idea should go next... well, would you all be adverse to me at least giving it a go? And if a week or so passes without enough players, just reverting to a more basic game?

Diamond18

10-17-2006, 01:39 AM

Well, in the interest of taking action, I've put a thread (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=13313) for the next game. I'm ready when ya'll are ready. ;)

Feel free to shoot me if I've leapt over someone on the list, but it seems like everyone tht was ahead of me declined for one reason or another. Which doesn't exactly bode well for my game, but there you have it.

Macalaure

10-18-2006, 07:26 AM

Sure it would be fun to take somebody else's identity for a game of werewolf, but I don't think it is possible. I mean, I'm sure Nogrod could make a convincing dancing spawn, but how could a more silent player act like a vocal one? I don't think it is the unwillingness to post that makes a silent player a silent player. There's RL-restrictions, simple introversion or the sheer inability to make so many good points like the big ones. I think it's not 'want not', but 'cannot'. Plus, what Kuru said, as soon as the tension goes up, people will go back into their common personalities.

Besides, Nogrod, why do you feel you have to play like everyone expects you to? Especially now that the number of village wins went up and it is said that the quality of play has increased, I don't think you will be lynched only because of playing differently, at least not very often ;) .
Go ahead, fool around! Your fun will be everyone's.

Nogrod

10-18-2006, 07:40 PM

Besides, Nogrod, why do you feel you have to play like everyone expects you to? Especially now that the number of village wins went up and it is said that the quality of play has increased, I don't think you will be lynched only because of playing differently, at least not very often ;) .
Go ahead, fool around! Your fun will be everyone's.It just seemed, that there were a lots of suspicions going around in the last game that I was in that I was not "not playing as I normally would". The funniest was the ever so often recurring: he's aggressive when he's innocent and mild-mannered when a wolf...

It so much depends, not on my role, but on my RL-time available. If I have a lots of time, I build cases and try to make the difference, if I have not, then I'm pretty easy... I've been toning down my way of playing game after game and I know it takes time. Once you have a label then you have it - remember Mac why you were suspected in the game before the last?

But no problem. Secret identities is a no-go here and that's it. We'll just have to try to deal with ourselves together, and that's fun too! I mean, in the end it's a lot more fun to play with Lommy, Morm, Di, Mac and Jenny than with A, B, C, D and E!

Macalaure

10-19-2006, 03:35 AM

Once you have a label then you have it - remember Mac why you were suspected in the game before the last?You mean I already have a label! :eek:
Sure, I know what you mean. On the other hand, I seem to always garner suspicion early on, regardless of what I say.

I admit that I don't pay much heed when people build their suspicions only on "s/he's not playing as s/he normally would". If it makes you wary, it's ok, but for a vote I need more clues than that.

Thinlómien

10-19-2006, 08:24 AM

I admit that I don't pay much heed when people build their suspicions only on "s/he's not playing as s/he normally would". If it makes you wary, it's ok, but for a vote I need more clues than that.I think that's a good guideline.

Besides, if someone wants to try a different playing style can't s/he just announce before the roles are given out "I might play a bit differently this time" if s/he fears the switch of style will get him/her lynched?

Macalaure

10-19-2006, 08:37 AM

Besides, if someone wants to try a different playing style can't s/he just announce before the roles are given out "I might play a bit differently this time" if s/he fears the switch of style will get him/her lynched?But that would rob us all of the surprise! ;)

Roa_Aoife

10-25-2006, 08:10 PM

I LIVE!!!!!!

I'm still playing in Fea's game, whenever is starts.

And... um.... that's all.

Folwren

11-02-2006, 10:44 AM

Just popping in to ask who is modding the next game?

Feanor of the Peredhil

11-02-2006, 11:24 AM

I'm still playing in Fea's game, whenever is starts. So... um... My life is desperately unlikely to simplify any time soon, so basically, this game is going to be added to it, just for the fun of it.

When do y'all want to play? Since it's structured around the players, and you should all remember who you are, you should PM/IM me and let me know when a good time is for you, for a game that ought to last a week or so. We'll work from there.

Durelin

11-02-2006, 11:53 AM

Feanor of the Peredhil

11-02-2006, 12:07 PM

and Fea, you might do the next one (whether or not you have the time :D)?Yes.

Only thing about this game is that it's invitational, which I suspect will mean a lot of people waiting impatiently for it to end so that they can get to playing. And though I'd love a huge audience, I won't fool myself into thinking that a game with a lot of werewolf legends and no seer will get me that sort of attention.

So my advice is basically to ignore this game in terms of who's setting up the next open one.

Folwren

11-03-2006, 11:05 AM

Sorry I'm breaking the rules by posting here, but...

If no one minds, I would love to run the game after the next one (I think the doing the very next game is a little too soon for me), but of course would step aside to allow anyone who was on the 'old' mod list to run a game at that time if they would like to. It doesn't seem like very many people actually want to mod a game at this point, though, so I thought I'd go ahead and jump in...

Other than that, Nogrod voiced interest about doing a game, and Fea, you might do the next one (whether or not you have the time :D)?

Go ahead, Durelin, but I would like to say that sometime, I would like indeed to do a game. All I know is that I was last on the mod-list and I don't want to step forward when it would be inappropriate for me to do so. That's why I asked who was modding the next game. :)

Apparently, Fea's doing a game of invited players. Also, Jenny is starting to collect players for her next game for the WWJ. With these two games forming, I highly doubt there are going to be enough extra players for yet a third game.

So, Durelin, you were asking if you could do the game after Fea's, correct?

Because I am the last person on the list, I am quite willing to step aside for anyone. I'd just like to know when I'd get a chance to, and the sooner the better. (I'm both patient and impatient, you see.........)

Post to correct me, anyone, if I am at all wrong. I don't come in here very often and have probably missed something or other.....

-- Folwren

Folwren

11-03-2006, 11:09 AM

Naria posted this on October 5:

Gurthang was next, but he doesn't know now(?)
Ang is allowing Mith to do hers in his place...she would be next then?
Fea(Elempi is allowing her to take his spot)
Morm
Durelin
Diamond
Oddwen
Foley

Did Gurthang and Anguirel/Mith ever do their games? But it doesn't seem like we're concerned with that. Fea is doing her game next. Is Morm around and wanting to take his, or will he grant Durelin her request and let her go next?

I think that should fix the problems for now, if those questions are answered.

-- Folwren

Feanor of the Peredhil

11-03-2006, 12:47 PM

Fea is doing her game next.Correction: I'm running my game when my players tell me the best time is. I've currently got a request for Thanksgiving break and a few "any time works" responses. It's a bit open still. I haven't heard from everyone.

Durelin

11-03-2006, 12:58 PM

I would dearly love to do my game over Thanksgiving break, but if Fea's game gets scheduled for then, I think I can squeeze it in before then. I haven't been very busy lately...it's been quite a shock.

Is it alright if I go before you, Folwren? Just because My time's pretty open right now, and I don't know how long it will stay that way.

Anyway, just to be ready, I'll start working up more final plans... Again, anyone else can jump in who wants to do a game who was on the list before me.

Folwren

11-04-2006, 08:51 PM

Is it alright if I go before you, Folwren? Just because My time's pretty open right now, and I don't know how long it will stay that way.

My darling girl, of course it's alright if you go before me! You're quite a ways before me on the list, as you can see if you scroll up a little bit. In fact, it is probably best. Upon consideration, I find it will be much better for me if I didn't have a game until after New Years. And, also, depending on if we move or not, I may also have to wait until after we've moved. So, yes, by all means, do go and take your turn at it.

-- Folwren

Feanor of the Peredhil

11-06-2006, 12:45 PM

I would dearly love to do my game over Thanksgiving break, but if Fea's game gets scheduled for then, I think I can squeeze it in before then.Thanksgiving is all yours. Based on responses, 'any time' is the best time and Thanksgiving is the outright only time that's been explicitly stated as less than stellar.

If everybody's ready-ish for my game, we can get started... Sunday?

Also, much though it saddens me to finally admit defeat... I've been combing my hard drive for my file on this game for over a week and the dratted thing's completely missing and was probably deleted when my computer crashed over midterm break.

Therefore, while I can remember about half of your responses, the rest I'm fuzzy on. So if you could all be extremely dear, those of you who I haven't talked to in the past two days, and let me know if you're still in... I'd be grateful for a good long time.

JennyHallu

11-06-2006, 01:03 PM

Fea, could you post a list of the players in your game, so that I can recruit more effectively for mine?

Are you planning to run your game simultaneously with the WWJ game? There hasn't been enough interest lately for both.

Feanor of the Peredhil

11-06-2006, 01:06 PM

Fea, could you post a list of the players in your game, so that I can recruit more effectively for mine?I was just in the process of opening up a planning thread for organizational purposes. The plan was to post up the list of confirmed players as I receive what's probably their dozenth confirmations.

Are you planning to run your game simultaneously with the WWJ game? There hasn't been enough interest lately for both.I've had the players lined up for a while. The game's pretty much only been waiting for me to have a few spare seconds of breathing time. If it's stepping on toes, I'll delay it until after Thanksgiving.

Fordim Hedgethistle

11-14-2006, 06:59 PM

OK, so who does a guy speak with about running game of his own?

(Werebears: bah! Lovers: twaddle! Special powers: fiddle-dee-dee!)

mormegil

11-14-2006, 08:10 PM

OK, so who does a guy speak with about running game of his own?

(Werebears: bah! Lovers: twaddle! Special powers: fiddle-dee-dee!)

Well there are two games running currently so you will need to wait until at least one is over and then see if there is an opening to be a mod.

Durelin

11-14-2006, 08:50 PM

First: Sorry, Fordy, but I'm in line before you. :P

Second: You? WW game? Preposterous.

Speaking of which...

I'd like to get an idea of how many people are interested and availabe to play in a WW game that will probably start around the Thanksgiving Holidays? Some of us 'mericans might be out of town, and I was curious how detrimental that would be to trying to do a WW game.

PM me or post here. :D

I'd also like to get an idea of what people prefer: a game with the for fun "roles" (such as "grave digger" and "Morrissey" and the like), a game with those roles in which players are supposed to stay in character, or a game without roles.

Finally, if anyone who was in line before me in the "old" list would like to jump ahead, feel free. The newer list seems to consist only of me, Folwren, and Fordim.

(And sorry if posting here right now is a major no-no. *tries not to look at WWJ game she is currently in*)

mormegil

11-15-2006, 08:35 AM

Durelin, I would be interested though if it an in character game I'm out as they just don't interest me at all.

JennyHallu

11-15-2006, 08:39 AM

Durelin I would be interested if "during the Thanksgiving holidays" meant started on Saturday or Sunday. I'll be setting up in a new location, and have people over for the holiday weekend.

Durelin

11-15-2006, 04:02 PM

I'm flexible as to when exactly it starts. Basically, I expect there will be a bit of waiting to get enough players, even after Fea's game is complete. So perhaps it will not even start until after your company is long gone, Jenny. (Thanksgiving is way too close for comfort right now. Feels like the school year just started for me.)

Okay, so at least two people interested, and one person not interested in an in character game. I'm likely not going to go with the in character game, unless everyone else turns up really wanting one. :D

Thinlómien

11-16-2006, 03:46 AM

I'll play unless Noggie is going to have his three rangers junior-game at the same time (it's something I definitely don't want to miss).

We don't have Thanksgiving in Finland, so could someone enlighten me when it is this year (date)?

JennyHallu

11-16-2006, 06:39 AM

November 23, you ungrateful Finn!! :p

Gil-Galad

11-16-2006, 09:35 AM

November 23, you ungrateful Finn!! :p

October 9th in Canada, November 23rd in America... What happens in the States doesn't mean its always the same for your cousin up north...

Nogrod

11-16-2006, 05:37 PM

Funny that Gil had time to answer casual things here but not the more widely-influencing ones on the junior thread where we have been wondering whether he will be modding the next game or not... :(

Well, I've PMd him and let's see.

I mean it should be a time for a junior-game next as Jenny's TiGJ is going to end in two Days and Fea's TiG-game will take undoubtly longer. But do we have a mod there in the TiGJ? Gil is next. I am the one following him and would be ready to go for it, but surely he should answer to our call first.

So Durelin, if you could wait for a day or two until Gil gives his answer so then we might make a deal between ourselves or let Gil take his game first (as it would be his turn)?

Durelin

11-16-2006, 06:00 PM

I don't think anyone was trying to say it's the same everwhere, Gil-Galad.

Well, I'm not planning on starting anytime real soon...so whatever needs to be worked out, Nogrod.

Durelin

11-19-2006, 05:57 PM

I guess I'm going to wait until Gil's TiG Junior game has got enough players until I (officially) start sign up for mine.

(Question: is it really strictly one game per player? Not that I mean to bend any rules or anything... ;))

I'll give you some of the basics though:

There will not be adundant gifteds...at all.
The for fun 'characters' you choose will be for amusement and for my benefit in writing narrations..and just so this game could have some sort of theme. Playing in character is up to you.
I might be going back to how Night 1 was originally done (the wolves actually choose a kill). The benefits of this: a little more insanity and death, and possibly something more to go on on Day 1. Also, because of the nature of this game, it will actually be a very nerve-wracking choice for the wolves. The big negative: someone is guaranteed to be dead before they even get to do anything.
The setting will be a masquerade ball.

I have no preference for a start date at this point, but I'm thinking that the 27th or 28th (at the very earliest, I'd think) might work, if things fall into place by then. Or, I'm quite prepared to allow a gap between Fea's game (which is a very amusing read, I might add) and the next game.

As for Day/Night starting/ending times... Sometime between 5 and 9 pm EST? I know no matter what time it is, someone will be screwed over, and though I am quite willing to be flexible, school keeps me from being so (this new rotating schedule is killing me). I can probably do a much earlier end time, at about 10:45 am EST, and I can possibly manage times from about 2:50 pm to 5:00 pm EST (I can if need be, it's just a little less convenient).

So...let's work this out. :D

Oh, and here's a nifty Time Zone Converter for those of you who are lazy and don't like to do math (like me, even though I decided for some reason to take Calculus this year). :p

Do it by Time Zones (http://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/tzc.tzc)
Or by Country (http://www.timezoneconverter.com/)

Edit: Just as a note, I'll just be doing sign-up on this thread.

Gil-Galad

11-19-2006, 08:17 PM

ha ha sorry guys its always busy busy busy... but yeah i'l lget the game up as long as i have more people

Thinlómien

11-20-2006, 05:14 AM

So are the two games going to be running the same time?

Durelin

11-20-2006, 10:01 AM

Take your time, Gil.

Lommy - Gil is doing his WWJ game, I am doing (regular) Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXVII after Fea's game. So, yes, they will probably be running at the same time, as long as there are enough players. If there aren't...obviously one game is going to have to wait, and I'm quite willing to let mine wait.

Durelin

11-22-2006, 10:21 AM

My game will not run until after Gil-Galad's WWJ game is finished, or at least until enough people (everyone who wishes to play in my normal WW game; don't worry, you won't get screwed over for still being alive, hehe) are dead in his game. But don't you dare try to die. :p It's just, it's a fact of WW.

So, go sign up for Gil's game!

This is probably best to wait, anyway, because then we'll be past all the insanity of the Thanksgiving holidays for those who celebrate.

Durelin

11-25-2006, 05:36 PM

Triple posting!

So, is everyone feeling like they need some time off from WW (meaning WWJ, too) right now? Well, that just means I'll have to drag people into this by their toes... :smokin:

(And yes, I know I'm annoying.)

Farael

11-25-2006, 06:30 PM

I would be interested in a game... if it starts after Dec. 13th (my last exam)... 'till then, I' m really busy. After that though, nothing better than a lynching mob to vent out my frustrations :D

Gil-Galad

11-26-2006, 04:02 PM

I would be interested in a game... if it starts after Dec. 13th (my last exam)... 'till then, I' m really busy. After that though, nothing better than a lynching mob to vent out my frustrations :D

it all depends on how many sign up, by the looks of it it probably will start up after December 13th, it may turn into a Christmas-style game and i'll make each of the deathes christmas-related

(candy cane impaled through chest and waht-not)

but we'll have to see.

Eomer of the Rohirrim

11-29-2006, 06:43 AM

Azaelia of Willowbottom

11-29-2006, 06:55 PM

Ah, the difficulties of scheduling. Cailín and I wish to book a place in a game during, say, the last part of December to the first part of January. It looks like Gil's game will fill up soon. Maybe Durelin's game will depend on the demand for festive werewolf.

How come people are busier over Christmas? It's a holiday!

I'd like to join a game in that late December-early January slot, too...Unfortunately, college is keeping me really busy until winter break. It's been forever since I played, too. Feels like I'm going through Werewolf withdrawal!

Folwren

12-07-2006, 02:10 PM

I don't have time to play a game any time soon. But I would certainly appreciate it if it if someone told me who's modding after Durelin....and if no one is, then if I could...?

Actually, the most convenient thing for me would be if I could mod a game after New Years. Would it be possible to plan that? There should be time for at least two more games between now and then. Durelin could do a game and perhaps someone else. And if someone still comes in line before me by the time New Years rolls around, then they can have it. I just can't do it before then and I would like to do it before too long.

-- Folwren

Nogrod

12-07-2006, 02:55 PM

Actually, the most convenient thing for me would be if I could mod a game after New Years. Would it be possible to plan that? There should be time for at least two more games between now and then. Durelin could do a game and perhaps someone else.With the speed these are going right now your hope is fulfilled already. :D

Gil-Galad is starting a game soon (in TiGJ) and then Durelin will mod here, after Gil's game (Durelin is in Gil's game herself). Then it would be my turn in TiGJ - and we might look then together whether we go one at the time or try simultaneous games (which I don't think will work). So at least two games before yours anyhow...

Durelin

12-07-2006, 06:52 PM

Yes, things are a little slow lately in the WW department. I feel like I might be holding things up, but there really isn't a great number of people voicing interest in WW right now. Part of it is surely the holidays, I'd think.

Well, since quite a number of people dropped off the list, I think you get first dibs on a game after me, Foley. And then I think either Nogrod or Fordim (or both, heh) should be after you, if Nogrod is interested in doing a normal WW game, too (I know you were interested in doing a normal WW game at want point...), and if Fordy is still interested.

Perhaps we'll be lucky and Gil's game will get started a little earlier than planned... *is eager to do her game*

Firefoot

12-07-2006, 09:02 PM

To be quite honest, I'm not sure I really understand why the TiGJ thread is active right now; WW seems to have been pretty slow lately, and originally the reason for the Jr. thread was because too many people wanted to play. Obviously there aren't enough people interested to be running two games right now. Wouldn't it be easier if everything could just be kept to this regular thread until more interest should pick up again? Just an idea...

littlemanpoet

12-07-2006, 09:38 PM

Apparently the reason for the WWJ thread has changed over time, from what you described, Firefoot, to a sort of a "novices'" game. But that's not exactly accurate either. I think it's really where the mod prefers to launch his/her game from. (shrugs) Now that WWJ exists, I don't think we're going to have much success in convincing folks to use this place unless there's enough interest for two games at once, unless the moderators temporarily want to close WWJ; but I doubt they deem it all that important.

mormegil

12-07-2006, 10:04 PM

I don't think we're going to have much success in convincing folks to use this place unless there's enough interest for two games at once, unless the moderators temporarily want to close WWJ; but I doubt they deem it all that important.

Oh, I don't know, I've been considering it now for a while and may do a bit of restructuting with WW and WWJ. I don't know if I'm satisfied with the current 'list' of mods in waiting. It seems that mods are never ready when their turn is up and then there is the shuffle everytime. I'm thinking of redoing that and closing WWJ as it has become apparant that there is still a good amount of interest in the games but not enough to host to game simultaneously. I've been mulling this over and will probably continue to for a bit but a decision will be made sooner or later.

Nogrod

12-08-2006, 03:34 AM

It might be a good decision to move all the games here, to a single thread. It would be clearer and simpler. The modding lists just would have to be synchronised with justice. That is, unless Morm comes up with something completely dfferent that works.

Folwren

12-08-2006, 12:07 PM

Oh, I don't know, I've been considering it now for a while and may do a bit of restructuting with WW and WWJ. I don't know if I'm satisfied with the current 'list' of mods in waiting. It seems that mods are never ready when their turn is up and then there is the shuffle everytime.

Oh! Oh! Oh! I will be ready when it's my turn, I promise!

How do you think you'd re-do it, if you did re-do it?

-- Folwren

mormegil

12-08-2006, 12:32 PM

Well, I was thinking of possibly doing away with the waiting list entirely though I'm not sure if that is the best solution. I know that this is how it was done in the early stages. Another idea I had is if there is a list it will be maintained by me and if it's your turn and you cannot do it within a specified amount of time you will be put to the end of the list.

Another thing I'd like to see is that when you are a moderator you do need to be committed to your game. I think that a large majority of them are and have been but it is incredibly frustrating from player stand point when you have a mod that is not committed and doesn't give everything needed for a great game.

What are some other ideas out there? I think I will be closing WWJ thread for a while and will attempt to be as judicious in the modding list as possible. I hope to not step on toes so I will probably be PMing those in the que before a decision is made.

Durelin

12-08-2006, 03:29 PM

As much as I think organization is important, I think perhaps it should be remembered that this is supposed to be a fun, laid back sort of game.

Of course it's nice when mods are "committed," but they can be plenty committed and just not have enough time to be as committed as some might like them to be.

WW has already strayed from its original feel: that is, a enjoyable game. If there is an over-abundance of rules and regs, I think it will take it away from that even further. And I think what made it especially fun is how much it's organized by the forum members who like the game as a whole.

I understand your moderator duties fall on this, mormegil, and I think you've been doing a great job, but I also know that you enjoy WW as a player...and I want to be able to keep enjoying it, along with everyone else who just want to have some (intelligent, but still silly enough) fun.

As for WWJ, I understand the concern there. But perhaps those responsible for initiating WWJ and keeping it going would like to shut it down themselves, or perhaps simply put it on hold? I think it's very likely they will see that it is no longer exactly needed. Interest and activity fluctuates, so perhaps it will have more of a need again in the future.

And if we do keep a mod list, in whatever form, perhaps those "lined up" for WWJ games should be moved to as equivalent a place on the WW mod list as possible.

Just my suggestions and opinions...

Kuruharan

12-08-2006, 05:15 PM

It's not much fun if everyone is scrambling around trying to figure out what is going on and nothing is actually happening. Although I agree that occasionally in the past there has been a certain amount of taking the game too seriously.

On the mod list front: how about having a list where only two there are, no more, no less. That way we'd at least have some idea of who is coming up to mod but it would be (hopefully) close enough to the putative mod's game that they will know for sure if they can perform.

Durelin

12-08-2006, 05:31 PM

I haven't noticed a lot of scrambling around, personally. But I haven't exactly always been keeping up with WW very closely.

Right now we have an issue of not enough players (which I think has been the only real issue: in particular, coordination of two games with a more limited number of players than in the past); that's the only reason nothing is happening right now. If everyone would like me to go ahead and get on with my game, I can start sign up right away. I've been waiting because the previous WWJ game ended before the previous WW game. I guessed it would be a small game, and it is turning out that way, so it won't last very long once it gets going.

I continue to have a feeling that things will sort themselves out. :)

It might be time for WWJ to retire, though.

And as for a shorter mod-list - I think that seems like a good idea, though I do think even a lengthy mod list has been handled well. When people simply can't do it, or aren't around, people have tended to just move on to the next person. And it's not always bad for their to be a week or so in between each game, especially when not everyone is as enthusiastic about playing as they were *back in the day*. :D

(Sorry, it's just my personality tends to be "if it's not broken, don't fix it"...and I don't see things as really "broken.")

Kuruharan

12-08-2006, 06:50 PM

By scrambling around I meant people signing up for multiple games not knowing when they would be starting, mods defaulting on their games, players not knowing when things are going to be happening.

I hate to cite myself as an example, but there have been a couple of times where I couldn't play because I wasn't sure of the start date or the start date changed on me. Undoubtedly, my perceptions are colored by experience.

When people simply can't do it, or aren't around, people have tended to just move on to the next person.

Who often themselves were not expecting to be modding so soon which causes more chaos.

mormegil

12-08-2006, 06:57 PM

What I was thinking is just adding a little more structure to the current system. I like the shorter Mod list idea and likely I will close WWJ until sometime in the future when WW demands requires two games at a time. I will wait until the game that is suppose to start, starts...if that doesn't happen soon though I will simply close it and move on with the WW game for Durelin.

Meneltarmacil

12-08-2006, 08:41 PM

Sounds like a good idea for now, morm, though I'm wondering what happens to those who signed up to mod the next TiG Junior games. Do they get put on the short list here?

mormegil

12-08-2006, 09:04 PM

I'm not sure. I'll need to see who is on the list and who is ready to mod soon. Durelin would obviously be next and then I'd need to see who has signed up, who hasn't modded yet, how long they've been on the list etc... If anybody happens to know the two lists and can post it here it would be appreciated.

Valier

12-08-2006, 11:18 PM

TiGJ Mod list

Gil (in the works)
Nogrod
Mac
Volo

TiG Mod list

Durelin
Diamond
Oddwen
Folwren

Hope that helps :D

Naria

12-09-2006, 12:09 AM

Valier your junior list is spot on!!

However, the senior list should look somethin like this(should it not?):

Ang allowed Mith his spot. No word from either of the two since my last update mod list, so I don't know if he and/or she are still going to mod?
Morm was/is next(?)....another question mark.

Durelin
Oddwen(?)
Foley
Menel--expressed interest in post 3583
Fordim(?)

As one can clearly see, there are a few question marks. I don't know if Morm(or someone else) should pm the questioned ones and find out if they are going to mod or if they should just be passed on and put to the bottom of the list.

Like Val says, I hope this helps :D

The Saucepan Man

12-09-2006, 07:00 AM

I would agree that, given current interest levels, the WWJ thread should be retired, at least for the time being. Gil's game could stand as the WWJ farewell game. :D

As for the upcoming mod lists, I have always thought that those who have not modded yet should be given priority.

Why not give those on the various lists an opportunity to post here, confirm that they are still interested in modding and indicate when they are likely to be able to mod - and then combine the two lists accordingly?

Meneltarmacil

12-09-2006, 12:14 PM

To confirm what I said, I do indeed wish to mod a game in the future, and have a rather interesting idea about what to do with the roles. Thank you for putting me on the short list there.

Since I have modded once before, I'll step aside for those who never have, though.

I'm not going to be able to give it much attention until a few days into January though, as some major Christmas vacations are coming up.

Durelin

12-09-2006, 06:35 PM

To confirm: I've not yet modded a game, and was planning to do mine next since pretty much everyone before me on the "older" list were too busy to mod games, and a number of them, I believe, have modded before.

And I'm able to mod whenever. Calculus can certainly take a backseat to...well, just about anything. :D

If there are people who have been waiting longer on either the normal WW or Junior list to mod, they can step ahead of me if it's a good time for them now.

But if I'm next, just give me the word and I can start sign up on this thread, or post my own sign up/"admin" thread.

I think it would be nice for Gil's game to be the last WWJ game, or we could simply switch it to the normal WW XXVII game and then mine would simply be next.

Folwren

12-09-2006, 06:41 PM

Folwren reporting, sir. I would like to mod a game. And I have never modded a game, either. Put me wherever is convenient. After New Year preferably.

-- Folwren

Nogrod

12-09-2006, 08:41 PM

If we do with the way it seems to go right now, then Gil will have his game in TiGJ. I do hope it will happen, but I fear it's not so certain as we have not heard too much from him...

Then Durelin is on the TiG.

Then it would be my turn in TiGJ...

If we combine the threads and play only one thread - which I think is reasonble - we should stick with this order. Although if Foley has not modded a game before, it might be justified to let her game go before mine for I have co-modded one game already (the werepenguins -game with Lommy).

I have an idea to my game, though. It will be a "duel" of forces, including three wolves (planning together) vs. three rangers (acting individually). So making it harder for the wolves to pick a kill and just nerve-wrecking for the rangers. So kind of basic game with a twist and possibly more interesting with the narrations...

Meneltarmacil

12-09-2006, 09:39 PM

Okay, the idea for my game, whenever I can manage it, is to keep everyone in the dark as to what roles are involved. At most, only the numbers of wolves and villagers will be known. There could be Lovers, there could be no Seer, there could be two Cobblers, or whatever, but nobody knows what the roles are. I just thought that could be interesting. Of course, if a Gifted or whatever gets lynched or eaten, his/her role will be revealed to the village, but no opening statement about roles will be given; all clarification will be made via PM.

Rikae

12-10-2006, 08:30 AM

Now that sounds exciting, Menel!

Mithalwen

12-10-2006, 02:17 PM

Valier your junior list is spot on!!

However, the senior list should look somethin like this(should it not?):

Ang allowed Mith his spot. No word from either of the two since my last update mod list, so I don't know if he and/or she are still going to mod?

He did? :o

Oh... I didn't realise ..I was so far down the list at the start of the lull that I didn't expect to mod for about a year ....... :( so haven't been giving this thread much attention. I hope we will do our game sometime but thought I started thinking about it again after Fea's game I couldn't do it immediately and having modded twice I quite agree that first timers should take priority.....
*need to consult with Ang and find out what he wants to do...*

Folwren

12-10-2006, 02:43 PM

Hm. Hearing people's ideas for games makes me wonder if people would be alright with having a normal WW game, with Seer, Ranger, Hunter, and Wolves have regular rolls, or if I should come up with something original? If I need to think of some strange, new, twisted way to play the game, let me know with some advance so I can think of something before my turn...

-- Folwren

Meneltarmacil

12-10-2006, 02:53 PM

No strange, twisted new game is needed, Folwren; a regular game would be just fine.

Mithalwen

12-11-2006, 06:45 AM

Simple games can work very well - don't feel obliged to do anything peculiar .... remember if everyone is doing variations normal becomes original...;)

Folwren

12-11-2006, 10:31 AM

Simple games can work very well - don't feel obliged to do anything peculiar .... remember if everyone is doing variations normal becomes original...;)

Well, I guess so. I know that I personally really like the original way of it all..... :)

-- Folwren

Durelin

12-11-2006, 12:40 PM

Nogrod

12-11-2006, 01:04 PM

I'll post my sign up thread for TiG XXVII as soon as I get home from school this afternoon, if that's alright, to get things going.

Seeing as things are unfortunately falling apart for the TiG Junior game...You should do it. Have you mentioned it in the TiGJ thread? You should so that you could get all the players from there along.

Volo

12-23-2006, 03:51 AM

Please drop me off the mod list. I have the game mostly ready, but as you see, my computer crashed and I have really little access to the internet. Being lazier than Lommy or not finding enough time with all the Christmas mess, I won't be visiting the library. I don't think modding a game in a library is a good idea anyway.

Sorry for disappearing, I'll see what I can do to return.

Naria

12-30-2006, 12:49 PM

Shall we get the next one underway?! Durelin's was soo fun that I'm itchin for another :cool: :D

Oddwen, are you ready?

Folwren

12-30-2006, 02:26 PM

Oddwen, are you ready?

Let me know if she is not.

Oddwen

12-30-2006, 03:50 PM

I really don't know if I have reliable internet time right now...Folwren may go ahead on if she wishes.

I'll let y'all know about the next game.

Folwren

12-30-2006, 06:56 PM

Thanks, Oddwen... Are you absolutely sure? I have no problems with waiting... If you do want to still run the game, just interrupt me (before I actually start, that is.)

May I have at least until Tuesday to get things figured out and undercontrol and all that jolly stuff? Written up?

That is, how quick do you want me to be ready, and what does Mormegil want?

-- Folwren

Oddwen

12-30-2006, 08:08 PM

Yeah, I'll let you know by the second if I can do it. Until then, carry on.

There'll be peace when you are done,
lay your weary head to rest
don't you cry no more...

mormegil

12-31-2006, 12:32 AM

I won't have a lot of time to dedicate to this for the next day or two, but if Oddwen is ready that is fine as it has been ages since she last modded. If however she is not Folwren should go as quickly as she can, assuming you get the necessary players that it.

Rune Son of Bjarne

12-31-2006, 01:51 AM

I would like to join the next game, but I will be away in the period 2-7 so if it starts before the 7th I won't be able to join.

Rikae

12-31-2006, 11:09 AM

I really want to join the next game, but I'll be in London from the 7th until the 10th (:D ).maybe I could play from there, though...

(I really am crazy)

Oddwen

12-31-2006, 10:16 PM

It looketh that I am able to mod this next game - I'll start it on the Monday the 7th or possibly sooner, expect an admin thread sometime next year.

Folwren

12-31-2006, 11:01 PM

It looketh that I am able to mod this next game - I'll start it on the Monday the 7th or possibly sooner, expect an admin thread sometime next year.

Excellent! I am quite relieved. Will give me more time to prepare even more for my game.

Have fun, everybody!

Oddwen

01-01-2007, 11:00 AM

Righty - an admin thread is now up. Please sign up there.

mormegil

01-03-2007, 09:14 PM

Here is the current list as I understand it.

Folwren
Nogrod
Menel
Fordim
Mormegil (let's see)

I want to establish a rule that basically states that if your name is next on the list and when the game ends you have one week in which to prepare your game. You don't need to start in one week simply get things in order to start, you know state the rules and time frame. Let's be reasonable about time frame too, if you can't start for a month or two you will be bumped. I don't think we should have a list longer than 5 people at any given time.

If, for example, Oddwen ends her game and Folwren is unable to fulfill her duties timely she would be bumped down below Mormegil and Norgrod would be up. There would be a bit of a grace period extended to Nogrod to get things in order as it came upon him suddenly. Once Nogrod has begun his name will be removed from the list and I will accept the next person interested. I don't find it condusive to have incredibly long lists. I would like to keep this simple. If anybody need clarification or sees major problems in this please let me know.

Naria has been extremely helpful on these lists and I would ask for her further aid in maintaining this.

Thanks.

Macalaure

01-04-2007, 02:30 AM

Seems like I forgot to confirm my interest. :o

Sorry 'bout that.

My name was behind Nogrod's in the Junior list.

Volo

01-04-2007, 07:30 AM

I guess you can put me back on the list now...

Thinlómien

01-04-2007, 08:52 AM

Morm, I understand you want a short list, but I think the first should be an exception: it would be rather unfair to move people who have reserved their place in either of the lists ages ago (like Mac and Volo here) as it might be that they're not around/online when the next spot becomes vacant.

Volo

01-04-2007, 10:19 AM

Thanks, Lommy, but I think it's fine with me to put my game off for a while, not in the writer mood right now, not that it means that I'll be in a writer mood later, possibly. I think it would be fair to put me in the end, as I jumped off the list anyway.

Naria

01-04-2007, 10:36 AM

Volo, are you absolutely sure about your decision?

Mac, I am so sorry. I will fit you in accordingly.

Volo

01-04-2007, 10:42 AM

Of course not! I don't know what the future will be like and when would be a better time. I'm sure that both after Nogrod and Mormegil it'll be hard to mod a game that will be interesting, so... Well, actually put me in the place I was before, if you will. Thanks Naria... :)

Naria

01-04-2007, 11:05 AM

Okay, this is how I did this. I went back and looked at the dates in which everyone signed up and Mac and Volo are right behind Nogrod and before Menel.

The list:

Foley
Nogrod
Mac
Volo
Menel
Fordim
Morm

Edit: Please no more sign ups until the list has been brought back down to five again. Thanks :)

mormegil

01-04-2007, 11:55 AM

Thanks Naria and sorry for missing those names. No more sign ups until we are down a bit.

Folwren

01-17-2007, 03:17 PM

Oddwen's game may be ending on Friday. If it does, my game has to start by the following friday, correct? Or do we just have to be discussing things by then?

I am going to be out of town and out of computer and internet reach next week from Tuesday through Thursday. I might be leaving Monday afternoon/evening, and I don't know when I'll be back Thursday. I may not be able to check this until Friday. That being said, it will get in the way of my preparation week.

Will this get me bumped, Morm? I didn't know about this leaving home until two days ago. If you don't want to wait longer (like, until the following Monday or so), I can go after Nogrod.

-- Folwren

P.S. Perhaps I'm not absolutely clear on your rule - do you want one game to end and then a week later, another game to begin? Or do you want one game to end and then within the next week, planning for the next game to have begun?

Nogrod

01-17-2007, 03:39 PM

As Foley has a preparation week ahead I think she should not be dropped from the list if she can't make it. Those are stuff that one can't foresee when reserving a modding. And I couldn't require for anyone to wholeheartedly delve into working on a WW-game in the middle of such an important week. Also, commenting on Foley's question, surely it's a bit tight schedual if we require the next one to actually start within one week as it takes some time to settle all things and get all the players in. What I understood from Morm's "rule" was the fact that he got annoyed by the last one that seemed not to get started as the mod was not to be seen or heard for a really long time - and I think he was not the only one...

I'm ready to wait for Foley in any case, but I have also quite a wealth of plans myself (I could basically start the sign-up tomorrow, if needs be, with some preliminary structures of the game explained), so if Foley thinks it a good idea and Morm agrees, I could shift places with her and run my game next while Foley could concentrate on her college-entrance and mod the next one.

Up to you Foley and Morm.

mormegil

01-17-2007, 06:01 PM

Sorry for the confusion. What I hope/expect to see is that no more than one week after the last game we have some firm commitment on the part of the next mod, showing that they will be modding and giving a definite timeline to events. I understand that recruitment may take longer than planned but no I don't expect a game to begin within a week, in fact I would generally recommend against that as some people might need a break. Does this make more sense?

So, if I understand you correctly Folwren, I don't see any problem in you modding. I simply hope you have some sort of planning going on within a week. You could even start now and post a preliminary set of rules and your ideas for your game, if you would like.

Folwren

01-17-2007, 07:45 PM

Oh, good. I am relieved. I will definitely be able to mod, and I can start planning before I leave, I just couldn't start it, realistically, within a week.

Thanks, to you both!

-- Folwren

Nogrod

01-18-2007, 02:11 PM

Oh, good. I am relieved. I will definitely be able to modGood to hear that, Foley!
I will here and now reserve a place in your game as I got dropped off the last one just when it started getting interesting... :D

Volo

01-18-2007, 02:13 PM

I will here and now reserve a place in your game as I got dropped off the last one just when it started getting interesting... :D
:p

Nogrod

01-18-2007, 02:23 PM

:pBlahh to you too, you wolf-cretin! And I alredy got you (well, almost) in the end of Day2. If your friends hadn't got me busy my last Day, then... :mad:

But yes, well played indeed! I'm looking forwards to see you in this game. Maybe we can be on the same side this time? :)

Volo

01-18-2007, 02:31 PM

Maybe we can be on the same side this time? :)
Hmm... We shall see. I might leave the next game out, again. Sorry, Folwren. And
I don't think being on the same side is good for either of us: I'll just waste all my time suspecting you...

Ok, offtopic.

Thinlómien

01-19-2007, 01:08 AM

So we can sign up already? Count me in! :)

Folwren

01-19-2007, 05:03 PM

So we can sign up already? Count me in! :)

I....guess so. But it would be most helpful if you said so officially on the Admin thread, whenever I get that up...

-- Foley

mormegil

01-19-2007, 10:17 PM

Out of respect for the game in progress please refrain from signing up for the next game until the current game is over.

Thanks

Thinlómien

01-20-2007, 03:14 AM

I....guess so. But it would be most helpful if you said so officially on the Admin thread, whenever I get that up...
Out of respect for the game in progress please refrain from signing up for the next game until the current game is over.
Okay, then. No problem. :)

Folwren

01-20-2007, 08:05 PM

Mormegil, Nogrod, others... I've decided not to mod this game. Reasons for not doing so are in no way connected to anyone here, so don't worry about it. :)

Have fun, everyone.

-- Folwren

Durelin

01-21-2007, 10:51 AM

I be here, signing up for whoever's game is next...

mormegil

01-21-2007, 10:58 AM

Nogrod, would you be able to begin within a week or so. As the opportunity came somewhat sudden and you weren't expecting to mod so soon there will be a grace period if you need it.

Rikae

01-21-2007, 11:21 AM

Can I sign up for the next game yet? Can I? Can I? Whoever's modding, I want to play! :D

Nogrod

01-21-2007, 12:36 PM

Nogrod, would you be able to begin within a week or so. As the opportunity came somewhat sudden and you weren't expecting to mod so soon there will be a grace period if you need it.No problem. I'll throw a sketch of the game in 24 hours... :p
I have given it some thought already and can start it as soon as we have enough players.

I'm going to open an admin thread soon enough.

Sad to hear that Foley, I hope you are willing and able to mod the next one...

Nogrod

01-21-2007, 02:30 PM

Just some preliminary revelations & questions...

What I can reveal already is that I would still be going for more than one Ranger. I think it's high time to see a real battle where the goodies have an actual chance to really fight back and where the baddies need to consider their kills with some more thought. And to balance this, I think the wolves should be given two kills a Night as long as there are three of them... (the numbers will of course depend on the number of players) But it's up to you too. I'm not wishing to try and stage a game no one else is interested than I myself.

Would you like a game that would have in it an air of insecurity? One version of the game I have thought includes the idea that the players would not fully know what is going on (aka not knowing all the roles in the game). These facts would be revealed by the narrations (not the facts over who is who, of course, but the facts of which kind of roles there are - and there would not be any shifting roles: everyone stays in the role they are given in the beginning!) but they would have to be thought about, giving something more for the villagers and the villains tochew about.

(Just trust me on this. I have thought of a host of different initial arrangements and how would they play and have tried to come up with one or two possible ones that seem equal)

How would you like a kind of a Gallup before the game? I thought one way of enlivening the Day1 could be revealing the results of a villager-poll where people could have "secretly" told me (by PM's) before the game who they are afraid of and who they tend to look at symphatetically (I would be making a formal questionnaire on this to every player by a PM before the game starts). Infused into the Day1 narration that could give people something to pick up upon as the results would be the shared beliefs of the village (with no individual points revealed). Just one more way of trying to make the Day1 a bit more reasonable...

After all this, I also admit enjoying the really basic games.

It's up to you which one you wish to take on. A mildly experimental one (with more than one ranger and possibly one or two other extra-roles, like a seer, a hunter, a cobbler, or something; possibly unknown to the villagers but by interpreting the narrations) or a basic game. I'm happy with both, but would surely like to try the ideas I have been entertaining in my head the last month...

These thoughts I think should be shared here. After I have enough points on one way or another I will start an admin thread where we can continue this untill all is set.

Up to now it seems that Durelin and Rikae have signed up to whatever comes. Also I have talked with Lommy today and know she will be in too.

So the preliminary list of players stands in:
Durelin
Rikae
Thinlómien

Feel free to join and make your comments on the above questions. The admin thread will be opened as soon as there is some preliminary agreement on behalf of enough of the people whether we will go for a game of rangers fighting the wolves in one or another version or with a basic-basic game...

PS. I will be considering the importance of any "WW-character roles" with the result of the kind of game chosen, so at least for now there is no hurry in getting an occupation as I'm not sure we'll need them.

Volo

01-21-2007, 02:44 PM

Hmm... It's too hard to resist... :( Count me in!

I vote for the most confusing version you have thought of.

But first: When does Day end? When (about) will the game be going on?
Next weekend I'm off to somewhere...

Rikae

01-21-2007, 03:28 PM

Well, I'm all for experimentation! Anything that will require new strategies, and keep us on our toes...

Nogrod

01-21-2007, 03:51 PM

The (updated) attendance so far:
Durelin
Rikae
Thinlómien
Volo
Kath
Kitanna?

I could take up to 16-18 players, but we'll see how many we'll be able to sign up for this one...

The Deadline would be something like 9-10 PM GMT. With an avalanche of argumentation I might change it, but at least for now this would be the most convenient for me and securing I can take care of the endings and the beginnings of the days / nights...

Kath

01-21-2007, 04:13 PM

I predict being thoroughly confused ... but count me in Noggie! This experimental version sounds like fun.

Rikae

01-21-2007, 04:25 PM

If it's all the same to you, 10 pm GMT would be infinitely better than 9, as far as I'm concerned; 9, or 4 EST, will find me still in school Tuesday and Thursday.

Kitanna

01-21-2007, 04:36 PM

Sounds interesting and I'd like to play. But I may not be able too. Nogrod if you could please put a question mark by my name. I'll have definite answer in a day or two.

Nogrod

01-21-2007, 05:19 PM

Sounds interesting and I'd like to play. But I may not be able too. Nogrod if you could please put a question mark by my name. I'll have definite answer in a day or two.Done. I think it will take a few days to sign up enough people so probably we're ready to start the game at earliest the next week (not the week that starts tomorrow, but in 7-8 days from now). Just to inform you to count your scheduals.

I mean 18 players would be just luxurious but we can start with about 15 too. All this makes the starting-date move there and fore.

I'll try to come about with an admin thread tomorrow.

Macalaure

01-22-2007, 02:51 AM

Count me in! :)

I'm all for experiments as well, and I trust you to make it well-balanced for both sides. The deadline is excellent for me and I'm already looking forward to that questionnaire.

Rune Son of Bjarne

01-22-2007, 08:15 AM

Count me in

As long as it starts in about a week there should be no problem.

Thinlómien

01-22-2007, 08:38 AM

People flooding in in quite a pace...

But it's great! And this game seems to be gathering good players too... I almost can't wait! :D

Boromir88

01-22-2007, 09:59 AM

I was going to take a 'breather' for a while...but me miss Nogrod's game!? Pah, aint gonna happen. ;)

Nogrod

01-22-2007, 11:56 AM

The (updated) attendance so far:
Durelin
Rikae
Thinlómien
Volo
Kath
Kitanna?
Macalaure
Rune son of Bjarne
Boromir88
Mithalwen?
Lalwendë

I will be opening an admin thread in a short while (just got home)...

Good to see you all!

Another seven would be special and great! :)

Nogrod

01-22-2007, 01:35 PM

The admin thread is now opened. It is here (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=13591).

Please continue the discussion about this one there.

Signing up will be made there too.

I hope to see you in the game that throws us back to the things that gave birth to the story of Beren and Lúthien!

Volo

02-03-2007, 01:42 PM

Mac, you have no problems modding the next game? (Just asking (Well, actually no, but want tell why.).)

Macalaure

02-06-2007, 03:41 PM

As I understand it, this is the current list:

Mac
Volo
Menel
Fordim
Morm

I've been preparing my game the last days, but if you have a good reason, Volo, then we could switch positions. Wouldn't be a problem to me.

Otherwise, I will put up the admin thread within the next two days. I could start this weekend or early next week, whatever suits you.

It is going to be a simple game again, three wolves, seer, ranger, hunter, cobbler and as many cannon fod..*cough* innocent villagers as want to join.

Rikae

02-06-2007, 04:12 PM

Mac, sign me up for cannon fodder. :p

Oh, and one other thing...what's the limit on the length of the mod list? Because if there's room to get in line, I have something in mind....

Macalaure

02-06-2007, 04:26 PM

You're most welcome! :)

As I understand it, the limit is five. So you should be able to be put down once that I'm off.

Roa_Aoife

02-06-2007, 04:38 PM

I'd like to play, too, Mac. Maybe I'll live longer this time.

Macalaure

02-06-2007, 05:04 PM

Excellent!

I was too excited about it. The admin thread is already up and running.

Volo

02-07-2007, 08:29 AM

As much as I'd like to play in your game, I won't, too many things left undone because of werewolf...

Naria

02-07-2007, 12:37 PM

The next list:

Mac has his admin thread underway so

Volo
Fordim
Morm
Rikae

Volo, are you able to commit to modding the next one?(after Mac's)

Fordim has not been in this thread since his "sign me up" post. I have no idea if he is still going to mod.

PS: Sorry I wasn't able to get this info up sooner. RL is unfair sometimes :(

Edit: Foley is unable to mod her game, therefore, Rikae you are on the list :)

Volo

02-07-2007, 12:55 PM

I guess I can. Timewise it can be a problem as I'm away 1-10.03 and probably busy the next week. The game has been planned already for a long time, so the only problem is the time.

Kath, still interested in helping? :)

Kath

02-07-2007, 01:27 PM

Sure! But it'll have to be by PM or e-mail as my MSN is just so untrustworthy these days I barely use it. That ok?

Volo

02-11-2007, 01:08 PM

Menel, would you like to swich places with me? I have a feeling that I won't be able to mod a game during that time.

Macalaure

02-12-2007, 03:22 AM

Is Menel even here anymore?

His last post was about a month ago, and it was this (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=506005&postcount=10) one. :(

Rikae

02-12-2007, 11:49 AM

Wow...that was strange. I hadn't noticed that before.
I wonder what on earth had him so worried? I hope he decides to come back...:confused:

Volo

02-12-2007, 02:02 PM

I kind of feared that... Well, if Menel ain't here, should we send him an e-mail asking if Fordim gets his place.

Thinlómien

02-13-2007, 03:06 AM

I kind of feared that... Well, if Menel ain't here, should we send him an e-mail asking if Fordim gets his place.Or then just remove him from the list and put him back there if he comes back...

Naria

02-13-2007, 05:06 PM

New mod list:

Volo
Morm
Rikae

There is now room for two more that wish to moderate :)

Roa_Aoife

02-13-2007, 07:15 PM

Meneltarmacil

02-16-2007, 04:06 PM

All right, after considering several different factors, I've decided to stay around at least long enough to manage another Werewolf game.

Like I mentioned earlier, there will be very little, if any, announcement of what roles will be included-- that means that there could be more than three wolves, there may or may not be a Seer, there may be Lovers, a Mythomaniac, or whatever, but for the most part, the players will not know what's lurking in the shadows until it's too late. Information about what can and can't be done with one's role will be handled via PM.

I'm still fine-tuning exactly what roles will go into this one, but this will be a big game, with 18 players at mimimum, preferably about 20 or so.

Legate of Amon Lanc

02-16-2007, 04:19 PM

I think good to see you have not disappeared for good.

Wow... sounds intriguing :cool:

Garin

02-17-2007, 03:59 AM

Well this is just splendid. I leave for a year and I barely recognize the place. Someone message me and inform me if I can partake in a game. If not...it is nice to see some of you and to see how big you have grown.
However, the site seems exceedingly slow or, at the very least, hates my computer. Since I have lost my felines, my coach, and my wench. If the interaction (between the comp and the site) doesn't improve I must bow out due to lack of patience. Cheers.

Roa_Aoife

02-17-2007, 12:44 PM

YAY! Garin's Back! I hope that connection gets faster, because I'd love to see you play again. :D :D :D

Volo

02-18-2007, 09:15 AM

Great, Menel! Could you please mod the game before mine? I'll probably be away after Mac's game ends...

Meneltarmacil

02-18-2007, 12:07 PM

Sure, Volo. Sign-ups will begin as soon as Mac's game is over.

Naria

02-18-2007, 12:15 PM

I have made the switch on the list. Thank you Volo and Menel for making your decision early, it really helps. :)

Roa_Aoife

03-01-2007, 08:55 PM

This has nothing to do with Mac's game. I'm going to be modding a RL game of werewolf at a gaming convention, and for the first time I actually read the package that the cards came in. I found this funny:

"I am NOT a Werewolf. And I would never lie about something like that...."

"It's getting late; we need to lynch somebody."

"Who were the people who wanted to lynch John?"

"Hey, what was Kristen saying about about Andy just before she got mauled?"

"I can't recall...."

"Wait.... who here would want to kill off Kristen?"

"I'm guessing Jake..."

"Okay then, if Jake is one of the werewolves, who's the other one?"

"I'm guessing Andy..."

"You know, Andy has been acting even stranger than usual. I think we should lynch him!"

"Yeah!"

"Lynch Andy!"

"Yes! I vote yes!"

"Me too!"

"Wait! Wait! I'm the seer!"

Meneltarmacil

03-11-2007, 04:45 PM

Since Mac's game is over, I'm starting sign-ups for mine. I'll have the adimin thread up in a few minutes.

Rikae

04-14-2007, 08:19 PM

Are Volo and Morm around? Or should I start my game? :D

(Forgive me if I'm over eager...)

Gil-Galad

04-15-2007, 04:34 PM

well whomever is the next mod, sign me up right away

Rikae

04-16-2007, 05:18 AM

Hmmm, perhaps someone should PM Volo...

Legate of Amon Lanc

04-16-2007, 05:39 AM

Hmmm, perhaps someone should PM Volo...
Then don't say "someone" and do it!

*turns back to the wardrobe, pulls out a furry coat and takes it on* Howl!

Thinlómien

04-16-2007, 07:00 AM

And if you can't reach him, just inform me and I'll call him. (I know him from RL.)

As far as I know he should be able to mod the game and I think he'll pop up here quite soon - he usually doesn't have long breaks from the computer...

Volo

04-16-2007, 08:46 AM

Umm... Menel's game ended too quickly. :(

Are people still really willing to play WW? Because the next game will be complicated and I'll need many players.

I'll try to post the discussion thread tomorrow.

Nogrod

04-16-2007, 12:56 PM

Are people still really willing to play WW? Because the next game will be complicated and I'll need many players.I'm all for complicated things, but Menel's promise to have a lot of strange things on board might have been a reason for the slow starting of the game (and the number of players eventually reached) so someone might try a good old basic game for a change too?

If you Volo think this is coming too soon maybe someone would like to try a traditional one before it?

The Saucepan Man

04-16-2007, 04:12 PM

If you Volo think this is coming too soon maybe someone would like to try a traditional one before it?I rather agree.

Recently, sign ups have been slow, meaning that games requiring a lot of players have taken a long time to get off the ground. While there is a central core of frequent players, and a reasonable amount of "fresh blood" ( ;) ), interest has waned somewhat from the peak of Werewolfdom on the Downs, when Werewolf Junior was in full swing and games were frequently fully subscribed within a day or so.

While I understand that games with many and assorted roles require a lot of players, such an approach is not integral to the game. The first game we played here (at the beginning of this very thread, I believe) had something like nine players, three Wolves, one Seer and no other Gifteds. The second, as I recall, had something like twelve players, with three Wolves, a Seer, a Guardian (Ranger) and a Hunter.

That's not to say that there shouldn't be games with multiple roles and multiple baddies, but they tend to require more players and I therefore suspect that sign-up will be slow.

My suggestion would be to run shorter and longer games in sequence, with sign-up for the longer games starting towards the end of the shorter games. We should be pretty skilled now in predicting roughly how long games are likely to last, based on the number of players, so it could work quite well.

That said, I am rather inclined to don my Werewolfing boots once more and give my new avvie a run out. Looking forward to seeing your proposed rules, Volo. :smokin:

Also, I would quite like to put myself down for my second bout of modding, given that it's been quite a while. Is there a "waiting list for the waiting list", or might I be added to the end?