Tol-in-Gaurhoth (Isle of Werewolves)

[Farael]

Well, pencil me in for the time being... I'll confirm whether I'm playing or not as we get closer to the starting date, because I still need to see how school gets started this next term... but I'd like another crack at WW

[the guy who be short]

Ooh, Formy as Mod? Sounds excellent.And 7th Jan overlaps with my exam perfectly! Count me in. :D Do you have any vague notions concerning gameplay afore I give my character a role?

[Garin]

Please allow me to participate in my first werewolf game. I am new to the downs but have watched the last few games. Referred to the site by Mormegil.

[Holbytlass]

Welcome, Garin, any friend of Morm's is a friend of ours. We also delight in fresh meat!

Ooh, I can't resist, sign me up!

[Kath]

No. I can't do it. Sign me up please Form! I've figured a way to do it round my exams so count me in.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I really should take a brake frome this, but sign me up anyway.

It might be my last game before leaving the downs.

:eek:

[Valier]

I would also like to play! Sounds loathsome!(Snicker)

[Formendacil]

Okay, we are now up to...

Meneltarmacil
Cailin
Azaelia
Fareal
TGWBS
Garin
Holbytlass
Kath
Rune
Valier
Gil-Galad
Lhunardawen

Not a bad start... I'm sure we'll have enough by the time the game starts.

Do you have any vague notions concerning gameplay afore I give my character a role?

My dear Guy Who Be Short....

I have more than vague notions, I have a rather clear picture...

This game will be set in the early-mid Third Age, in eastern Rhovannion. Gondorians and Northmen would be the most likely ethnic groups to be found in this particular little village.

It is my intention to continue in the epic tradition of the Phantom and Alcarillo, now taking place in the Third Age.

I'm looking for approximately 15-18 players, by the way.

[Meneltarmacil]

In that case, I'll be the creepy guy on the outskirts of town.

[Garin]

Thanks for letting me in. I'll be in the horse rental business.

[Gil-Galad]

Sign me up....

[the guy who be short]

I shall be the Hat-maker. Every weekend, I go to sell my wares in the closest town, though in this time of crisis I shall remain in the village throughout...
I also keep many sheep, whence come the hats.

[Farael]

Time allowing, I think I shall be a worm hunter. I will hunt the most fierece worms and then sell them to fishermen for bait =D 'tis a dangerous job, worm hunter is.

[Gil-Galad]

I shall be a Shrubber, Gil-Galad the Shrubber, Shrubbery is my trade, Shruberry is the name of the game.

[Eluchíl]

If there's room I'll join the party. Just assign me somewhere useful and I'll go from there.

[Valier]

I shall be the town BrewMaster,A lady who's tongue is like a whip,but servers the best damn liquor in town!

[Alcarillo]

Sign me up for this game if there's room still. I shall be a moneylender. I once worked in the great cities of Gondor long ago, but I was chased to Rhovanion by an angry mob, accusing me of having ridiculously high interest rates.

[Lhunardawen]

*ehem*

P.S. So this is how you'll celebrate your first deathday, Formendacil? ;)

[Formendacil]

*ehem*

I haven't forgotten you, Lhuna dear...

Your name shall appear on the list in due time.

P.S. So this is how you'll celebrate your first deathday, Formendacil? ;)

Rather appropriate, in light of the occasion, don't you think?

[Formendacil]

If there's room I'll join the party. Just assign me somewhere useful and I'll go from there.

Don't take this as an insult, but from your question here, I feel the need to ask, before putting you down on the list, if you are familiar with how Werewolf is played?

As I said, no offense intended, but your phrasing here makes me think you are expecting a RPG of sorts.

[Lhunardawen]

I haven't forgotten you, Lhuna dear...

Your name shall appear on the list in due time.Excellent, Lord Formendacil.


Rather appropriate, in light of the occasion, don't you think?You mean creating death posts for fellow BDers? If you're that cruel, or you think the Downs has been cruel to you, yes. :D

[Gurthang]

Well, I might as well sign up. Even if I'm too busy, sleep can wait a couple weeks... ;)

Since we're in some pretty wide open spaces, I'll be a rancher. Not sure what I'll ranch, though. A few cows, some horses, maybe a rabbit or hundred. Now all I have to decide is if I'll play conservatively or try to hatch some new, far-fetched, likely-not-to-work-and-more-likely-to-get-me-lynched scheme.

Looking forward to the game, Formy.

[Gurthang]

Side note: I just noticed that my location, which has been there for about a week now, fits quite nicely with the new game. What are the odds. :D

[Amanaduial the archer]

I'd like to join please - just signing up to see whether this is possible before I create a character. :)

[Naria]

Sounds good, I'm in. If I'm accepted I will create my character as they are divided amongst us.

[Gil-Galad]

Form, theres always Werewolf Junior if you don't think certain members are ready for the real thing...



EDIT: sorry if i caused any offense, i just wnated to say that the Werewolf Junior is for new members that want to play the Werewolf game, i know when i first played werewolf, there was no junior, and i had a hard time, i got killed off the first night! i posted this cause i don't want other members feeling like i felt and so they get the best of their werewolf experiance, though at least the neg rep at an explanation, but nobody signed it...

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Nilpaurion Felagund signs up.

[Kuruharan]

Hmm...Eastern Rhovanion...sounds like the perfect place for a dwarven alcohol, tobacco, and firearms...errr, I mean weapons, merchant.

Assuming we do start on the 7th, you can count me in.

[Garin]

I'm hoping to hear from saucepan man and mormegil among others. :mad:

[Cailín]

'Twould be shameful of me not too. You're in.

How very courteous, sir. As for professions... I think I shall be a noble kleptomaniac this time.

I'm hoping to hear from saucepan man and mormegil among others. :mad:

There indeed seem to be many newbies this game - of which you are one, too. :p

Well, newbies can be fun. They are far less predictable and often surprise you in the end. However, I'm a bit worried that some do not really understand what they are signing up for. It sounds like Naria and Eluchíl are expecting something more RPG-like. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but please before you join, read some of the earlier Tol in Gaurhoth games and browse through this thread a little. :)

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I will be a Hobbit peace activist.

[Naria]

I would like to state that I have thoroughly read the rules for this game. It is not an RPG but more like a murder mystery of sorts, I would definitely still like to play even though I am new.
So if I am on the list I would like to be the towns proprietor for the local house of healing, with a specialty in exotic pipe weeds.

[Formendacil]

Okay, the list stands at:

Meneltarmacil - Creepy Guy on the Edge of Town
Cailin - Noble Kleptomaniac
Azaelia
Farael - Worm Hunter
TGWBS - Hat Maker
Garin - Horse Loaner
Kath
Rune
Valier - Brewmaster
Gil-Galad - Shrubber
Alcarillo - Moneylender
Lhunardawen - Potion-Pizza Person
Gurthang - Rancher
Amanaduial
Naria - Store Proprietor
Nilpaurion Felagund - Suspicious Carnivore
Kuruharan - Dwarven Alcohol and Weapons Merchant
Eluchil - Mild-Mannered Innkeeper
Malkatoj

That's 18 players, unless I count wrong, which I don't, so I think we're about full up- with room for maybe one more player, unless someone backs out.

As for Rune: Be a peace activist if you like, but I don't think that there were any Hobbits in Gondorian 3rd Age Rhovannion...

Kuru and Naria: You can be businessmen (or businessdwarves), if you like, but tobacco/pipeweed hasn't been discovered as useful yet...

That seems to be all the important info for now... If everybody could hand in job descriptions (or have them assigned- be warned, I will make them whatsoever I like) over the next couple days, that would be awesome. Meanwhile, expect a Saturday, Sunday, or maybe even Monday start- depending on what happens to me this Sunday.

Each Day, as usual, will be 24 hours in duration (give or take), as will each Night. We will begin with a Night Cycle. Day/Night transitions will probably be made at 3:00 p.m. Mountain Standard Time, which is 5:00 p.m EST, and should be 10:00 pm in Greenwich.

~Michael A. Joosten - WW XVI Moderator~

[Farael]

Hey Mr. Joosten... my sn is Farael, not Fareal!!!!

Looking forward to my second try at WW

[Lhunardawen]

That seems to be all the important info for now... If everybody could hand in job descriptions (or have them assigned- be warned, I will make them whatsoever I like) over the next couple days, that would be awesome. Meanwhile, expect a Saturday, Sunday, or maybe even Monday start- depending on what happens to me this Sunday.I wonder if there was pizza in those days... ;) If there was, I think I shall be a chef specializing in potion (of whatever kind)-containing pizzas. What say you, dear mod?

Each Day, as usual, will be 24 hours in duration (give or take), as will each Night. We will begin with a Night Cycle. Day/Night transitions will probably be made at 3:00 p.m. Mountain Standard Time, which is 5:00 p.m EST, and should be 10:00 pm in Greenwich. 10+8=18. 18-12=6. So that's 6 AM for me...expect early votes.

[Formendacil]

Hey Mr. Joosten... my sn is Farael, not Fareal!!!!

Looking forward to my second try at WW

Typos happen to the best of people. 'Tis best not to point them out in posts unless if becomes habit.

I wonder if there was pizza in those days... If there was, I think I shall be a chef specializing in potion (of whatever kind)-containing pizzas. What say you, dear mod?

Potion Pizza Person...

Dunno if they had pizza during the 3rd Age, but there's nothing saying they couldn't slap some sauce made of anachronistic tomatoes onto bread dough, sprinkled it with cheese and called it a pizza.

Updating the List.

[Lhunardawen]

Potion Pizza Person...Love the alliteration. As you say, Milord.


Dunno if they had pizza during the 3rd Age, but there's nothing saying they couldn't slap some sauce made of anachronistic tomatoes onto bread dough, sprinkled it with cheese and called it a pizza.I think this could present to be a hot topic in the Books.

[Eluchíl]

Don't take this as an insult, but from your question here, I feel the need to ask, before putting you down on the list, if you are familiar with how Werewolf is played?

As I said, no offense intended, but your phrasing here makes me think you are expecting a RPG of sorts.

Sorry, I was just being coy. I know the rules. ;)

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Each Day, as usual, will be 24 hours in duration (give or take), as will each Night. We will begin with a Night Cycle. Day/Night transitions will probably be made at 3:00 p.m. Mountain Standard Time, which is 5:00 p.m EST, and should be 10:00 pm in Greenwich.

hmmm...I feel an Uh-oh coming on... Because I'm a student, I am at school until about 3 PM, and then, two or 3 days a week, perhaps more, I am at work until 6:00. That all adds up to me missing a lot of crucial time, because of the transition time being at 5:00.

I'm sort of wondering if I should sit this one out too, as I'm up in the air about whether or not my time schedule would put me under unnecessary suspicion (usually happens anyway)...or if it would lead to me being too silent.

[Meneltarmacil]

Well, I'll be able to post early and late in the Day in that case, though you won't see much of me during the middle, as I'm also on EST, leave for school at about 6:40 AM, and get back around 2:30 PM. So if I'm being quiet during that time, please don't consider that a reason to lynch me.

[Amanaduial the archer]

Each Day, as usual, will be 24 hours in duration (give or take), as will each Night. We will begin with a Night Cycle. Day/Night transitions will probably be made at 3:00 p.m. Mountain Standard Time, which is 5:00 p.m EST, and should be 10:00 pm in Greenwich.
Hmm. So 10pm-10pm - right, that should be alright, although I will probably be quite for about 18hrs of that... Would this still be alright? I mean, I can post realistically until say 11pm at night, then in the day I generally get home at about 5pm, leaving 5hrs at the end of the day for me to post. I hope this will be alright :)

Alright, as for a role... I'll be a Rohirric traveller who has worked for the past year as a guide through the forest and mountains around Rhovannion who is based in this small village.

[The Saucepan Man]

I'm hoping to hear from saucepan man and mormegil among others.Nah, I'd probably just be an Ordo and get killed by the Wolves on Night 1 or 2. What's the point? :rolleyes: ;)

Actually, we are moving house on 6 Jan and I'm not sure how long it will be until we get the internet connecetion back up again. So I'm gonna have to sit this one out, albeit reluctantly.

[Formendacil]

Eluchil has been added to the list.

We are now full up unless someone wants to back out. I believe that Azaelia is considering.

I am still not certain as to when I will be starting, and it probably won't be announced until Friday. I would expect a Monday the 9th start, if I were you (I believe that's the 10th for you Filipinos), but if it turns out that I will be around on Sunday, then I will start the game on Saturday (the 7th).

[Holbytlass]

Since I am not up on what was in Gondorian 3rd Age Rhovannion, I'm allowing Mod-God Formendacil to choose for me. Make it good!!

[Eluchíl]

Eluchil has been added to the list.

We are now full up unless someone wants to back out. I believe that Azaelia is considering.

I am still not certain as to when I will be starting, and it probably won't be announced until Friday. I would expect a Monday the 9th start, if I were you (I believe that's the 10th for you Filipinos), but if it turns out that I will be around on Sunday, then I will start the game on Saturday (the 7th).

Spiffy. I'll be the mild-mannered Inn Keeper...with a dark, horrible secret...

[Formendacil]

The occupations on the list is updated with Eluchil...

Mmmm.... making up a job for Holby...

This could be fun!

Shall it boring, interesting, or EVIL!!!

Or, more to the point, shall it be Formendacil, Moderadacil, or Saurondacil who does the picking...

[malkatoj]

Oh darn, I always miss this...

If anyone backs out, I'd like to play.

[Eonwe]

yeah me too...

sign me up if there are two openings...

[Holbytlass]

I'm sorry but unexpected business has cropped up that will keep me busy for awhile, I'm going to have to back out. And I was so looking forward to this village of fresh blood!

[Lhunardawen]

A business already? You don't even have an occupation yet! ;)

Kidding aside, that's too bad, Holby. I was looking forward to another game with you.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

This is my second consecutive game that I had to have someone else sign me up. Just an observation. (Thank you, vzv, Ms. spawn. :) )

I shall now take the role that I had once failed to play: the Suspicious Carnivore.

Oh no, he'll be doing that again. Stop him!

What do I do?!

I dunno. Hit him in the head, or something.

[Lhunardawen]

Oh no, not the suicidal player again... :eek:

Please do hit him, Adam...Alice...whoever.

[Formendacil]

Okay, Holby is out, Malkatoj is in, the list has been updated, and Nilp is still crazy. So far, so good.

Still no certainty as to the game-start.

[Garin]

Darn, the one that welcomed me aboard is out. Hope to see you next time Holby.

[Lhunardawen]

Okay, Holby is out, Malkatoj is in, the list has been updated, and Nilp is still crazy. So far, so good.

Still no certainty as to the game-start.I think the day he stops being crazy is the day the Werewolf games will end.

[mormegil]

Formendacil I'm a bit confused about the seer role, while I'm not playing in this game I'm confused about what the new role is. Why are they dreaming of a dead villager and what can that villager tell them?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I did not even notice this part of the post before just now.

Okay, the list stands at:
As for Rune: Be a peace activist if you like, but I don't think that there were any Hobbits in Gondorian 3rd Age Rhovannion...

I seem to have made a mistake, what I ment to write was: Misplaced hobbit peace activist. (are they not always misplaced :rolleyes: )

[Gurthang]

I seem to have made a mistake, what I ment write was: Misplaced hobbit peace activist. (are they not always misplaced :rolleyes: )

Yes, I just now realized that you are quite a 'misplaced' individual. I wasn't even aware that the hobbits were such an unruly crowd as to need a peace activist. :p ;)

[Formendacil]

Rune's occupation is noted and added to the XVI thread.

An explanation, in greater detail, that is hopefully adequate, has also been added to the XVI thread.

[malkatoj]

Woohoo, I exist! I guess I'll be needing a role, then...

I would like to be a Professor in the Philosophy department at the University of Woolamaloo.

Thank you.

[Formendacil]

Woohoo, I exist! I guess I'll be needing a role, then...

I would like to be a Professor in the Philosophy department at the University of Woolamaloo.

Thank you.

How about we leave it as Professor of Philosophy.... I rather doubt if the University of Woolamaloo would be found in mid-3rd Age Rhovanion- if any university would be found anywhere at all.

EDIT: Note, all updates regarding players and their public roles are being made in the XVI thread, and not on the list on this thread.

[Formendacil]

Alright, as for a role... I'll be a Rohirric traveller who has worked for the past year as a guide through the forest and mountains around Rhovannion who is based in this small village.

Only just noticed this...

This particular part of the Third Age predates the Rohirrim by something like 500 years, so I've taken the liberty of changing "Rohirric" to "Northman".

[Farael]

Does anyone else think we should add whether we are a "he" or a "she" in our ocupations list? I've gotten it wrong twice today, and it seems Farael is more of a ladie's name than what I thought :D but it gets a little confusing sometimes.....

[Garin]

Does anyone else think we should add whether we are a "he" or a "she" in our ocupations list? I've gotten it wrong twice today, and it seems Farael is more of a ladie's name than what I thought but it gets a little confusing sometimes.....
I agree Farael. I was hoping you were kind of hot, but I guess you aren't my type.

[Kath]

I'm sorry! I'm so so sorry. I was running on another deadline time (from about three games ago :rolleyes: ). I got on here thinking, wonderful another two hours to make my mind up, and then what do I find but a final post! :eek: My apologies. I'll get my timings right from now on - if I'm still alive.

[Naria]

ARRGH, can anyone tell me how to do a reply with a quote without having the whole post in my response. And I agree too, we should put what sex we are with our occupation or as we post.

[Gurthang]

The way I usually quote someone, or partially quote them, is by clicking on the post reply button. This brings up your text window. Scroll down and you'll see a review of the last forty posts in the thread. (if the one you want is farther, you'll have to click on the 'review entire thread' link.) Simply find the part you want to quote, copy and paste it into your text window, then highlight it all with your mouse. In the row of icons at the top of your text window, the last one is 'quote'. With your text highlighted, push that button and it will wrap the text in quote tags (they'll look like [quote]text[\quote ]). The text will then be displayed as a quote.

If you want to put the person's name at the top of the quote, simply type '=' after the first quote tag then put the user's name. ([quote=user's name])

OR

push the quote button in the person's post you want to quote, then simply delete the portion you don't want. This will leave the part you want to quote, along with the quote tags and the user's name already in place.

Hope that helps.

[Naria]

Hope that helps.

Thanks it does help!! :)

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Hey I just wantet to let you know that I will not post until about 5 hours before deadline. The reason I don't post now is that it is 3:25 AM and I really doubt that my brain is able to prouce any thoughts that might be of any use.

In conclution: I am going to bed now and when I have finished doing important stuff tomorrow I will post. (and it is going to be brilliant)

[Valier]

I will also not be posting anymore until about 3 hours before deadline.Everyone is quiet now but will probubly all post when I'm at school...Till then. :D

[malkatoj]

Okay, I guess I should make this more official. (By posting it here.)

I'm in high school, so I've got strange hours. GMT-5, I'm in school from 8AM to 2:30. Also, my mother has decided that I have to get to bed early because I keep getting sick, and I often have extracurriculars going on after school so my posts will be far apart, but I'm doing my best to read through everything and at least have a coherent vote.

Apologies (and regrets, werewolf is so much more worthwhile than school), but I'm doing my best.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Today and a part of tomorrow I have voulenteerd for making food to some students at a political meeting. This means that I again will not post until 7-5 hours before deadline.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

My apologies...Time got away from me and I completely missed posting/voting today...Shame, shame, shame on me.

So yeah, it's completely my fault I wasn't here toDay...I feel like an idiot.

[Formendacil]

Due to unexpected burps in Formendacil's real life work schedule, NIGHT 4, our currect phase, will be about 2.5 hours shorter than normal, with DAY 4 being correspondingly longer.

Narration on the opening of DAY 4 may be postponed about ten hours, but the pertinent information will be posted in time.

~Michael A. Joosten - WW XVI Moderator~

[Meneltarmacil]

I will not be posting until well into the next Day. I will be able to vote on time; however, don't look for me until about four or five hours before the deadline.

[Cailín]

I have posted it in the game thread, but let me make it official here.

I have very early classes tomorrow morning and instead of having the afternoon off, as planned, some person thought it would be rather amusing to relocate my job interview to the other side of the bloody country. Ergo, I will be travelling most of the time tomorrow. To make (what would be) a long rant short, you shall probably not see me online again toDay. Sorry, everyone. :o

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Sorry I did not vote today, but I actual fell a sleep infront of the computer. (because of my sickness) I voke up just now (11:03)

[Farael]

Given the last happening in the game, I have a question.... does the cursed know that he/she was cursed?

[Amanaduial the archer]

No: see Formendacil's rules on the first page - they had no idea and so acted like an ordinary villager. It's only if the wolves had chosen to kill them that they would have turned to the side of the wolves: otherwise they just die and thus another point to us villagers!

[the guy who be short]

May I ask who the next Mod is? Did we scrap the entire list idea?

[Formendacil]

May I ask who the next Mod is? Did we scrap the entire list idea?

We scrapped the entire list.

First volunteer after my game gets it...

Rumour has it that Nilp wants the job...

[Farael]

As I said on the game, I may not come back until after the day is over.... Fridays are usually quite busy for me.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Rumour has it that Nilp wants the job [of WW moderator]... (Formic-acidacil) You lie . . . *hiss* Such a lie will not go . . . unrewarded. :p

++Formendacil

[/denial]

Well, since the proverbial cat is out of the proverbial bag . . . I'll still have to wait for your game to end. ;) I'm having second thoughts, actually--or is that Adam speaking?

[the guy who be short]

Dear Spaghetti Monster! Nilp as Mod? I've got to see that. :eek: :D

[Meneltarmacil]

I'm actually thinking of modding the game after Nilp's, by the way.

I also have an idea about merging the role of the Shirrifs with the Ranger and Hunter, so that the Ranger and Hunter can PM each other about things during the Day (though not at Night). I'm planning to put that in the one I'll be modding.

[Shelob]

Well, I was coming to sign up to mod the next game...but it looks like I'll be modding the third game. I had a really fun idea too, oh well, all the more time to plot.
:: Diabolical Laughter ::

So long as that's alright with everyone.

[Kuruharan]

The Three have won 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 9, 10, 11, 13, 14, and 16 (more or less) for a total of eleven wins.

The Ordos have won 4, 6, 8, 12, and 15 for a total of five.

The Black Beornings have won squat for a total of naught.

Even though the end of 16 was a little weird, the Ordos still have yet to win two in a row. :(

[mormegil]

If we are able to sign up I would like to post my name as a tentative player, though it's likely I'll be a little less vocal, much to peoples satisfaction. :rolleyes:

[Garin]

Please consider me for the next match, I look forward to it. I will be a truffle hunter with a half a dozen pigs and no social manners.
:mad:

[Cailín]

I'll sign up if the game starts after next Wednesday (and if Nilp is indeed modding - a sight I don't wanna miss). Otherwise, I'll pass this one. ;)

[Formendacil]

If Nilp is Mod, I want in.

Otherwise... we'll see. I should really take a break... but I need my fix!

[Formendacil]

Actually, Kuru, if it hadn't been for Naria's family emergency at the end of Game XVI, the Village would have won- albeit by the skin of their teeth- so I would call it a draw, more than anything else. Naria's departure left me in a more-or-less stalemate position, which I opted to just make it first-come-first-vote... But I wouldn't really call it a Wolvish victory, myself.

[Lhunardawen]

A draw for Werewolf XVI...

I have no problem with that. ;)

Nilp, can you please, pretty please, not mod yet? *bambi eyes*

But if you must...*sigh* Sasabog ka if you don't give me a slot. :p

[Cailín]

Actually, Kuru, if it hadn't been for Naria's family emergency at the end of Game XVI, the Village would have won- albeit by the skin of their teeth- so I would call it a draw, more than anything else. Naria's departure left me in a more-or-less stalemate position, which I opted to just make it first-come-first-vote... But I wouldn't really call it a Wolvish victory, myself.

I think we might be able to proclaim WWXVI to be the first official Moderator wins?

[Formendacil]

I think we might be able to proclaim WWXVI to be the first official Moderator wins?

So I get the official "First Victorious Werewolf Mod of the 'Downs" title?

Sweet!

Sorry, the Phantom, but you lose, the title is mine! :p

[Lhunardawen]

So I get the official "First Victorious Werewolf Mod of the 'Downs" title?

Sweet!

Sorry, the Phantom, but you lose, the title is mine! :pSigh. Just what the Downs needs. :rolleyes:

Seriously, I guess that's fair enough. After all, it was your *ehem* omnipotence that gave the wolves the "victory"...

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

No, I'm not going to disappear in a puff of light. :p

I won't be modding XVII, after all, due to unfortunate circumstances--or a serious of dubiously unlucky ones. You decide. Menel, it's your game.

EDIT: Although, I would want to join the next game. I'll be an escaped thrall (from Tol-in-Gaurhoth, if possible).

[Lhunardawen]

YES!!!

*dances around like a Lhunatic*

But Menel modding? Aww...I'm so sorry, but I really should be taking a break. The previous game had me thoroughly exhausted. *glances pointedly at Formendacil* :p

[Garin]

I would be amiss not to wish Naria the best and to hope her family emergency was not so emergent. Best of luck Naria.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

I need my (almost) monthly WW game. ;)

I'm in.

[The Saucepan Man]

I still have no home Broadband connection, but I'm hopeful that it will be resolved within the next day or so.

So count me in for the next game for now, with a proviso that I may have to withdraw if my connection problems continue.

Who's modding?

Menel?

Proposed roles 'n rules, please. :smokin:

[Kuruharan]

Actually, Kuru, if it hadn't been for Naria's family emergency at the end of Game XVI, the Village would have won- albeit by the skin of their teeth- so I would call it a draw, more than anything else.

Whereas, His Lordship the official Moderator Formendacil has stated his opinion that Werewolf XVI: No Man is an Island was a draw due to unforeseen circumstances; His Excellency the Official Scorekeeper is hereby pleased to declare that it is His Will & Pleasure to create a new column of result known as “TIED” and hereby consign said Werewolf XVI: No Man is an Island to the same.

The results now stand:

The Three have won 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 9, 10, 11, 13, and 14 for a total of ten wins.

The Ordos have won 4, 6, 8, 12, and 15 for a total of five.

The Black Beornings have won squat for a total of naught.

A Tie occurred in 16 making one.

The villagers still have not won two in a row.:p

Whereas, this decision was made upon the advise of His Lordship the official Moderator Formendacil this decision is final and irrevocable and complaining by werewolves in said game is not going to do you any good. (And, no, Moderator Win is not a category) So there! :p

Signed,
Kuruharan the Longbeard: OSK

[Aiwendil]

Count me in for the next one.

[AbercrombieOfRohan]

I'll take another stab at it. I may have to back out. It depends on the amount of schoolwork I have. But, count me in for now.

[Farael]

Hmmm I said I wouldn't play the next game... but would whoever is modding take me as a co-mod? I have a few ideas for my own WW game yet I'd like some modding experience before I give it a shot. If not, I'll just lay back for at least one WW game and then come back and eat everything alive.... or lynch, whichever goes according to my role.

[Shelob]

I guess I'll play in Menel's game...one last chance to play before I Mod my game and before senior project kills me...it'll fun.

[malkatoj]

Whoo! Count me in, and I'll be able to talk this time. It'll be fun!

::commences trying to think of a sweet role::

[Gil-Galad]

hmmm... last game i was killed off, again, on a bandwagon so i'm debating whether to try WW again when i always get killed off first even though i don't know why...i post "oh poor person for dying" then bam, everyones calling me a wolf and i die as an ordo.


yea add me in...

[Garin]

i've always dreamed of playing in a game with Sauce and yes that makes me an incredible loser.

[Meneltarmacil]

Yes, I will be modding it... as for a co-mod, Farael gets the job, as he has asked.

These are the people who have signed up:

1. mormegil- Elven smith
2. Garin- Truffle hunter with a half a dozen pigs and no social manners
3. Nilpaurion Felagund- Escaped thrall from Tol-in-Gaurhoth
4. dancing spawn of ungoliant- Florist
5. The Saucepan Man- Earnest and learned young man of the law
6. Aiwendil- Old woodwright
7. AbercrombieOfRohan- Mysterious lady who lives in the depths of the forest
8. Shelob- Someone who recently washed ashore
9. malkatoj- Retired Miracle Man (who is not really a man)
10. Gil-Galad- Shape-Analyst
11. Glirdan- Crazy guy down the street
12. Márcolië Lamen- Second official 8th day adventist Pastafarian
13. Formendacil- Village historian
14. Cailín- Deluded girl who believes she is a mermaid
15. Kath- Local investigator into the paranormal
16. the guy who be short- Mermaid-catcher and fisherman
17. WaynetheGoblin- Town geek, wimp, and nerd
18. Naria- Crazy old lady that thinks the marine life talks to her
19. Valier- Overly giggly coconut milker who only milks the coconuts while standing on her head

Anyway, this scenario will take place on an island off the coast of Gondor in the Bay of Belfalas. I will briefly resume my earlier role of Ye Olde Knighte until my death.

The Hunter and Ranger will be somewhat different this game, as I'm merging their role with the Shirrifs. In addition to their usual guarding and hunting tasks, the Ranger and Hunter know each other's roles and can PM each other during the Day, but not at Night.

Also, the Seer will be the same as the original version and will PM me his/her dreams.

There will be a Cobbler. No Apprentice, Cursed, or Bear, though; however, this is not set in stone.

Days and Nights will be 24 hours long and will begin at 5:00 PM Eastern time (that's 10:00 PM GMT and 3:00 PM Mountain time, I believe). If a change is necessary, let me know.

The limit will be 20 players. Please let me know when you would like the game to start.

EDIT: I am still going to be editing this post to reflect the circumstances.

[Gil-Galad]

hmm.. i think i'll be a Shape-Analyst, analysing Shapes and the whole not

[Garin]

Dear Moderator,
I say that cursed is always a good idea and I would like to see cobbler actually played out. I think we can scare up enough interest to add some werebears but I think I'm being a little manic.

[Meneltarmacil]

All right, curséd and cobbler are in. Adding a bear, in my opinion, is only an option if there are about 20 villagers. If enough people want a Bear involved, I'm willing to extend the player limit to 20.

[Glirdan]

OOOOO!!! I'm so in!!! First things first. When are you planning on starting the game because I can't play if the WWJ game isn't over by then. If I do play, I so want the Bear!!

[Meneltarmacil]

Okay, limit is twenty players, Bear is in. I'm thinking Tuesday might be a good time to start with Night One, however I can postpone it if need be. If enough people sign up, it might start before then.

EDIT: Bear still being debated.

[Glirdan]

Ok, then I might not be able to play. If you're not following the WWJ game, let me just say that we're only on Night 4 now, going onto Day 4 shortly and there's still about 9 people left in, two of whom are Wolves. So, we shall wait and see what happens. I'll give you a definite answer by Monday if possible.

[mormegil]

The Bear eh? Not sure I'm too interested in that. Is this open for public debate?

[Meneltarmacil]

Actually, I suppose it should be open for debate. I was thinking during my first game that it was a little unfair, though it seemed like people wanted it here. However, it is by no means certain what will be in this game, so feel free to debate it. Do we really want a Bear?

[Márcolië Lamen]

I've not been able to play for a while, so I need to get back into this.
I'm in.

My times of activity will probably be rather strange, as its working around both classes and robotics, but I shouldn't have any conflicts, as long as voting isn't due at something like 8 PM GMT+5, 9 would be cutoff for hard for me, depending on the day.

[Formendacil]

Okay, fine... I admit it... I'm addicted...

Count me in completely...

[mormegil]

I feel that the bear convoludes that game and doesn't actually enhance play at all. The name of the game is Werewolf not Werebear. Having two villagers dead per night is a little extreme and it makes it difficult to overcome. And as Kuru shows us, it's not like the villagers are winning many games.

[Cailín]

I'm with Formendacil on this one. Count me in. I cannot resist.

However, if you could postpone Night 1 till Thursday, I'd be immensely grateful. Otherwise, there will be no posts from me on Day 1. :(

I agree with mormegil when it comes to the Bear - it's not my favourite role and I think it quite unbalances the game. I don't have any serious objections, though. I like the Cobbler more than the Cursed, but either is fine and if the game is large enough, both is okay too.

I love the combining of the Hunter / Ranger with the Shiriffs. That could work out fairly well, I think.

[Meneltarmacil]

I actually remembered that I had something to do Wednesday, so I am going to start Night 1 at 3:00 PM on Thursday, February 2nd. I will choose your roles and PM them to you on the Tuesday before that.

And actually, there won't be a Bear after all. Cobbler is in regardless. An Apprentice will be added for 18, and a Cursed will be added for 20. 20 is the absolute maximum.

[Kath]

Against all rational thought I'd like to be included please Menel if you still have room!

[Meneltarmacil]

All right. Formendacil, Cailín, and Kath, you're in. That brings the total number up to 15. If more want to play, there's room for five more.

[Kuruharan]

And as Kuru shows us, it's not like the villagers are winning many games.

Yeah, but didn't the villagers win at least one of the games that had the bear in it?

The bear doesn't just kill villagers you know.

[Glirdan]

Hmmmm.... By the looks of things, I might actually be able to play. Thursday you say? Well, put my name down and I'll give you conformation by Wedensday. That ok Menel?

[malkatoj]

I'll be needing a role then, eh?

Well, I'd like to be the Retired Miracle Man, despite the fact that I'm not a man. It'll be fun, like a game...except it is a game.

This game is promising to be very, very awesome, by the way.

[Meneltarmacil]

Hmmmm.... By the looks of things, I might actually be able to play. Thursday you say? Well, put my name down and I'll give you conformation by Wedensday. That ok Menel?
Hmmm... I suppose so. I'll PM the roles Wednesday instead of Tuesday then.

[mormegil]

Yeah, but didn't the villagers win at least one of the games that had the bear in it?

The bear doesn't just kill villagers you know.

Yes that's true but odds are in favor of him/her killing villagers and not wolves.

[the guy who be short]

I was gonna sit this one out and get some physics done but...

Kath's in.

Therefore, TGWBS is obliged to join.
And for my profession... Hmm. An island, eh? In that case, I shall be a mermaid-catcher and fisherman.

[Cailín]

And for my profession... Hmm. An island, eh? In that case, I shall be a mermaid-catcher and fisherman.

Hmm if no one has any objections then I shall be the deluded girl who believes she is a mermaid. For various reasons I think this role would be perfectly suited for me right now. :D

The player list is looking great! Too bad Nilp decided to join again, though. :rolleyes: ;)

Just a suggestion / question Menel: in a village with over 15 innocents and an Apprentice, I think you really should consider adding a Cursed as well, lest the game should become unbalanced. Of course, it is all up to you in the end. And, if the Ranger or Hunter dies, will the Apprentice also take over the Shiriff part of the role?

[Kath]

Hmm if no one has any objections then I shall be the deluded girl who believes she is a mermaid.
Just don't start speaking in Scottish Gaelic and we'll be fine :D

I'll be the local investigator into the paranormal (and yes that role may have something to do with X-files magazine sitting right next to me!).

[Meneltarmacil]

And, if the Ranger or Hunter dies, will the Apprentice also take over the Shiriff part of the role?Yes, the Apprentice will take over the Shirriff part as well.

As for adding a Cursed, I suppose I could do that at 18 villagers instead of 20. We currently have 16, so neither the Cursed nor the Apprentice will be in the game unless at least two more sign up. Even if the limit of 20 is reached, though, there will be no Bear.

[Shelob]

For occupations, and if we're on an island, I'd rather like being someone who (fairly) recently washed ashore...Perhaps my boat had a bad time in a storm, perhaps I went out for a swim, perhaps I fell from the moon...and perhaps I was just stretched for ideas.

[Gurthang]

Wow, this looks to be a fantastic game. But alas, I fear for my college work. It has not been a problem yet, but I'm finding my homework increasing. Therefore, I shall not be playing. :( I plan on being able to join you all again this summer, though I will play again sooner if possible.

Now, forgive me for butting into a discussion of a game I won't be in, but I just wanted to provide information.

There have been two games that have included bears. In the first game, which I was the bear, the wolves were all lynched in four days, leaving just me against the village. Needless to say, the village won that game going away. In the second episode, the bear, Glirdan, died the third day after only getting two kills. The wolves won that one without even losing a one of their own; none of them died. So, right now, that leaves the villagers and wolves tied at 1 each, and the Bears are 0 for 2.

All in all, I really don't think the bear shifts the balance either way. Initially, the wolves are in danger of dying Day and Night, and the villagers are likely to lose two every Night. As soon as the bear is gone, then both obstacles are gone, leaving the village just as if no bear had been there.

But, as I said, I am not in this game, so this is not for me to decide. Hope you guys have fun, I'll be watching as possible.

[AbercrombieOfRohan]

For occupations, and if we're on an island, I'd rather like being someone who (fairly) recently washed ashore...Perhaps my boat had a bad time in a storm, perhaps I went out for a swim, perhaps I fell from the moon...and perhaps I was just stretched for ideas.

So, long as you don't go gender-changing on us, Viola...

As for me, I'll be the mysterious lady who lives in the depths of the forest.

[mormegil]

I will be an elven smith. The finest metal smithing in all the region.

[Formendacil]

Occupations, occupations....

One must have one.

Hmmm...

I'll be... Hmmm... what WILL I be?

I'll be the village historian: dusty, musty, and a nose always in a book...

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Too bad Nilp decided to join again, though. :rolleyes: ;) (Cailín)Don't worry, Cailín (of the Rohirrim?), I'll be good and non-suicidal . . .

. . . if I'm a Werewolf. Otherwise, forget it. :p

[Naria]

I'd like to play in another ww game, butArry has started a new rpg and I don't know if I can play in both....can someone let me know if I can/can't.
Hmmm....looked back in this thread and there seems to be alot of experienced players in this ww game....might be over my head if I join in. Could give it a go though! :p

[Glirdan]

Naria, if you feel intimidated, there is a WWJ game that should be starting as soon as my game is over.

My occupation, if I can play that is, will be the crazy guy down the street. Or something along the lines that have me being crazy in it. :p

[WaynetheGoblin]

i would like to be the town geek wimp and nerd.

[The Saucepan Man]

I should be OK to play as I now have a dial-up connection at home while my Broadband connection is sorted out. Slow, but at least it allows me to get on-line.

With Wayne, I believe that we have 17 players, 18 if Naria's in too.

I would be quite interested in a game involving the Werebear again. With so many players, I think that the game could support it. But I'm not too bothered about and, seeing as the majority seem to be against it, it's probably best to leave it.

I'm not overkeen on the Apprentice role, as it seems to me that it gives far too much scope for the Gifteds to declare themselves fairly early on, generally resulting in a host of know innocents. Personally, whether a Wolf or a Villager, I prefer the suspense that is entailed in not having too many known innocents around at any one time.

With 17-20 players, 3 Wolves, 1 Cobbler, a Seer, a Ranger/Shirriff and a Hunter/Shirriff seems fairly well-balanced. Given that there are only three Gifteds, I don't think we need a Cursed as well.

As for occupation, I shall be an earnest and learned young man of the law. Not too much role-playing involved (except the 'young' bit :rolleyes: ) and it seems to fit with the way I play the game ... ;)

[Meneltarmacil]

Naria, I've included you in the game for the moment, though I'd like confirmation from you before we begin. That's 18 players, but I think Saucepan has a point in his last post.

We'll have:

Three wolves
A Seer
A Ranger (who can communicate with the Hunter by Day)
A Hunter (who can communicate with the Ranger by Day)
A Cobbler

That's about it, though it's subject to change.

Only two more can sign up, then it's closed unless somebody leaves.

[Valier]

All right count me in..(If that's ok)

I shall be the overly giggly,coconut milker....who only milks the coconuts while standing on her head. :eek:

[Meneltarmacil]

It is in fact OK. You're in. However, there is now only one spot remaining.

[Naria]

OK!! Count me in. I'll be a crazy old lady that thinks the marine life talks to her :D

[malkatoj]

Hm, the times look okay, but just so everyone knows--I'm a student and in school from 8-2:30 EST, so will be posting mostly early in the DAY, since I won't be able to get on the computer throughout most of school, though I should be able to make a brief voting-post toward the end if I stay after school to do so. This is not guaranteed.

This weekend, also, I'll be away and probably won't be able to be very active, but I'll get a post/vote in when necessary.

[Meneltarmacil]

I usually get back home around 2:30, and usually start my homework around 4:00, so I chose 3:00 as somewhat of a convenient time. However, I'm not sure that was really the best idea now. To give people more time, I'm changing the beginning/ending time to 3:30 PM EST/ 8:30 PM GMT.

I shall edit my "game players/rules" post to reflect this.

[Valier]

Is there any way we can make the start time 4:00or4:30 est time? I don't get home from school till then,If you can't that's ok but I will have to vote early most days then.

[Márcolië Lamen]

I'll be the second official 8th day adventist Pastafarian.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

I usually get back home around 2:30, and usually start my homework around 4:00, so I chose 3:00 as somewhat of a convenient time. However, I'm not sure that was really the best idea now. To give people more time, I'm changing the beginning/ending time to 3:30 PM EST/ 8:30 PM GMT.8:30 p.m. GMT is great (although I would have been happy with 8:00 p.m. GMT).

As to my occupation, I'll be... a medical ninja! ( :p ) What, I'm not allowed to?
Hmm, I noticed that we have all sorts of fruitcakes in this village, but not a single soul selling food, providing health care, cleaning the streets... Well, I think I won't bother either. I'll be a florist.

[AbercrombieOfRohan]

I agree, Valier. I'd appreciate a later start (preferably around 4:30-5:00 PM), otherwise you'll have either very, very early votes from me, or very very late ones. But, if the general opinion overrules me, I'll survive.

[Meneltarmacil]

All right, I concede. It will begin at 4:30 PM Eastern time, which is 9:30 PM GMT and 2:30 PM for those from Utah, Alberta etc.

Meaning I'll probably have to rework my homework schedule somewhat...

[Shelob]

Given as my "homework schedule" currently consists of checking to see what I have at about 10pm EST and then (if I have anything) putting it off for at least another hour, you're not alone in needing to revise said "homework schedule"... Speaking of homework ::eyes Calculus which has yet to be done:: I think I'll go... make a "Beware of Senioritis" sign...yeah, that'll work...


>>The whole point of this was to say that 4:30 works excellently, and I forgot it...go figure. If anyone asks, I was distracted by Calc work. Understood?

[Aiwendil]

I'll be an old woodwright.

[Márcolië Lamen]

With it at 4:30, I'll probably be still voting before 4 every day, but that's not a real problem, I just get home right after 4:30, so wouldn't want to risk the inability to vote.

I doubt I'll have an issue, so 4:30 works for me

[Glirdan]

4:30 seems about right for me. So, I might have a problem with that because I'm in school. But I might be able to make last minute votes and participate more early in the Day.

[Garin]

Back to this werebear business... If we have nearly 20 players I think it is a good idea.

[Garin]

As for times, I am flexible, because I'm sure my big mouth will finish me off early. Yet again, I guess Sauce and Mormegil are in this one. I could live to day three!

[Formendacil]

I don't things REALLY matter to me one way or another.

Re: the Werebear:

I'd prefer none, if only to enhance the chances of my survival, and to decrease the chances of being anything other than an innocent ordo. But it's the mod's call.

Which means that if Menel doesn't want a Werebear, then too bad if I'm the only Ordo who agrees with him!

:p

[Garin]

Form's idea of an apprentice could easily counter the werebear, see last game...

[the guy who be short]

Just to let you all know, the 4:30 start time means I probably won't be able to get online until the end of the day. Talk about suspicious. :D I can probably be on about 12:00 - 4:00 at intervals. Rarely, I may be able to come on in the early morning.

[Kath]

Ditto to what TGWBS said, at least when it comes to voting. I'll only have about half an hour in afternoons.

[Meneltarmacil]

Okay, I'm going to change the beginning/end time to 5:00 EST/10:00 GMT/3:00 Mountain time. I'm not planning on changing it any more, as it would probably be a little late for those in Europe. Indeed, it probably is already quite late for dancing spawn now. Sorry about that, as I'm trying to do what I can to make it convenient for as many people as possible.

[Formendacil]

Same times as my game then...

Works for me.

But really, there's always going to be SOMEONE put out by the times. Best to stick with what YOU find best, since you're the one for whom that time of day is going to become the most plugged up thanks to Werewolf.

[Glirdan]

Hmmm, 5pm Eastern Time? That should be fine for me except for Tuesdays and Thursdays starting next week. So, if I post an early vote on Monday and Wednesday, that would be why. As for me playing, by the looks of things, it's a go. So, definetly count me in Menel and I've already given my occupation on the previous page I believe.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Indeed, it probably is already quite late for dancing spawn now. Sorry about that, as I'm trying to do what I can to make it convenient for as many people as possible.
Hey, of course, don't worry about that. :) I'll just vote a few hours before the deadline then, and disapper for quite a while after the beginning of a Day.

About the Bear: I'd rather have a Cursed than a Bear if there's need to make the villagers' job more difficult.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

1000Z? That's 1800L . . . yeah. Perfect . . . http://www.geocities.com/louis_martian/smilies/evil.gif

[Valier]

May I ask what day the game is scheduled for? The 500pm est works way better for me! :)

[the guy who be short]

Just to let you all know, I will be unable to post at all except in the afternoon-evening (Gametime). I might sneak in some Morning posts on the weekend.

[Kath]

So long as these times are pm that looks great Menel. We still starting Thursday?

[Meneltarmacil]

Yes, we are starting Thursday (even though my activity today was cancelled, I'm staying with Thursday anyway). Roles will be PMed sometime before the game begins then, maybe tonight. If not tonight, I'll PM them tomorrow afternoon, a few hours before the game begins.

[mormegil]

I imagine you will start with a night phase so the wolves can at least get some time to communicate and introduce themselves.

Also, I assume you will but want to make sure, will you put up the final start and stop times, rules etc... on the opening post of the new thread.

A simple reminder to all playing in this game is to be invisible as well.

[Meneltarmacil]

You may rest assured, morm, that I will do all those things. I still have a little homework to do, but I will probably be able to PM your roles to you within 2 hours of now. If not, you'll get theo a couple hours before the game starts tomorrow.

Note: Randomly determining roles with a 20-sided die is not time consuming. PMing them is.

[Meneltarmacil]

Nilpaurion Felagund, please clear your PMs so I can send you your role.

Everyone, please turn invisible if you have not already done so.

[Meneltarmacil]

All roles have been sent. Nilp, your role is in the latest reputation I've given you as your PMs were full.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Hehe, thanks for the rep, Menel. :p

Hmmm . . . so it's 10:00pm GMT, 2200Z. 0600L. *shrug* Oh, well, just like the previous game.

[Gil-Galad]

i wonder if i can make it too at least day 3 without being lynched or killed by werewolves... haven't so far

[Gil-Galad]

just to state here, i was unable to get to a computer yesterday to vote so sorry for that, and hopefully i'll be able to vote tonight...

[Glirdan]

Just a note. I won't be around much until the weekend because of school. I'll try and come on as much as I can, but that's not going to happen as much as I would like.

[Naria]

I just got my computer back today. Didn't get everything reinstalled and a virus scan done till after the deadline. Sorry. I'll be on tomorrow and will be more talkative and also vote. :)

[Cailín]

I'll make it official here:

I will return two hours before the deadline. Not before. This is quite unusual for me so I thought I'd inform you - I have a swordfighting workshop and the final rehearsals for a show tomorrow and will not be able to touch a computer all day. I'm very sorry.

[Meneltarmacil]

Kath has informed me that she will not be able to post on Day 5 due to a trip she is taking.

[Cailín]

Hunter and Ranger may now PM each other; Wolves may not.

Does that mean I am allowed to PM from beyond the grave? I think you just made a mistake - but hey - you never know. :o

[Kath]

Also, due to the same trip I am only going to be able to post within the next hour or so, and so will have to vote extremely early. Apologies.

[Gil-Galad]

woah, this is the first time i've survived to day 4...

[malkatoj]

This should be known to prevent my being lynched this weekend.

I spend most weekends with my aunt. Yes, she has a computer, but that doesn't mean I'm willing to use it excessively, as she's got AOL. I'm also working during the weekend (as opposed to goofing off during the week) so my hours are especially strange. I will be on to vote when necessary, but it will be completely irregular and it's possible that I won't make other posts during the Day.

I apologize for my absence, and I hope it will not jeopardize my chances of survival.

[Glirdan]

I'm letting everyone know that I will not be on until (probably) about 7 hours before voting time as I will be leaving in about ten minutes.

[Meneltarmacil]

I was recently asked a question about who would win if the Hunter and one wolf were the only survivors at the end of a game.

Suffice it to say that this scenario would be one in which the number of wolves equals the number of villagers, meaning the wolves would win.

[the guy who be short]

I was recently asked a question about who would win if the Hunter and one wolf were the only survivors at the end of a game.

Suffice it to say that this scenario would be one in which the number of wolves equals the number of villagers, meaning the wolves would win.But... but... the Hunter would kill the last wolf upon his or her death! So it would be a Moderator Wins scenario.

I've anticipated such an outcome for 17 games now. You can't take it away from me. :(

[The Saucepan Man]

But... but... the Hunter would kill the last wolf upon his or her death! So it would be a Moderator Wins scenario.Ah, but take that to its logical conclusion and every game (or at least every game that allows double lynching) which ends with a single ordinary villager and a single wolf would result in a moderator win.

Let me explain.

Going into the last Night, there are two ordinary villagers and one wolf. Naturally, the wolf kills one of the innocents overnight, leaving one villager and one wolf on the final day. Both vote for each other and there is a double lynching, leaving the village empty and the mod victorious. If double lynchings are not permitted, the lynch victim (and therefore the victor) is chosen randomly.

But that doesn't happen because the rules specifically provide that, when the game ends with an equal number of innocents and wolves, the wolves are victorious. That rule applies, in my view, even if the sole remaining innocent is the Hunter.

[the guy who be short]

But that doesn't happen because the rules specifically provide that, when the game ends with an equal number of innocents and wolves, the wolves are victorious. That rule applies, in my view, even if the sole remaining innocent is the Hunter.And the rules also state that, when the Hunter is killed, he or she may choose one person to take to the grave with them. Hmm. I guess you have a point, my oft inebriated friend, seeing as we could consider it a wolvish victory is three wolves were left with three innocents, one the Hunter.

I suppose it will have to depend on the Moderator's opinion. If it were me, rest assured, Mod wins would be an option.

[Fordim Hedgethistle]

Wouldn't the math take care of such a scenario? For example:

2 wolves vs 1 hunter 1 innocent.

The two wolves kill the hunter first who takes a wolf with him, that leaves

1 wolf vs 1 innocent

I may be wrong, but I think this very thing happened in an early game...

[The Saucepan Man]

If it were me, rest assured, Mod wins would be an option.But surely "Mod wins" is just another way of saying it's a draw. And draws are dull and to be avoided at all costs, imho.

Unless you are suggesting that the Mod is actually an active player in the game? I don't like the sound of that, as the Mod's imparitiality should be beyond question.

[The Saucepan Man]

I may be wrong, but I think this very thing happened in an early game...Yes - WWII, which I modded. The final day found the Hunter (BW) and an innocent (SoN) up against two Wolves (the phantom and dancing spawn). Although the innocent also happened to be the Cursed. One Wolf attacked the Cursed , who began to transform. The Hunter then shot the cursed ( :D ) and was savaged by the two Wolves. Wolf victory.

It could have been different - the Hunter and one Wolf could have cancelled each other out, leaving a Wolf v an innocent (albeit, in that case, the Cursed).

The position is slightly different where you have one Wolf and the Hunter at the end, though, as there is no second Wolf to survive the Hunter's attack. Still, my preferred option in that situation would be a Wolf win. Another possible rationale for this is that the Hunter is only permitted a kill when lynched by the villagers or attacked by the Wolves at Night - not when attacked by day by the sole surviving Wolf. Not entirely logical, I suppose, but it fits in with the general principle that an equal number of Wolves and villagers equals a Wolf victory.

[Fordim Hedgethistle]

Hmmmm....just looked more closely at the scenario imagined by Saucy with 1 wolf, 1 hunter and 1 innocent....that one is interesting...

In that case, wouldn't it be in the wolf's best interest NOT to kill anyone that Night?

If the wolf takes out the Hunter and dies, wolf loses.

If the wolf takes out the Hunter and the hunter kills the innocent, wolf wins.

If the wolf takes out the innocent, then next day double lynching and wolf loses.

So, only 1 in 3 chance of winning the game. But if the wolf lays low that Night then the next day:

Hunter gets lynched, wolf wins.

Innocent gets lynched, wolf wins.

wolf gets lynched, wolf loses.

So there's a 2 in 3 chance of victory by NOT acting in the NIGHT. All of which leads me to ask two questions:

1) can wolves choose NOT to hunt in a given night? and

2) how much longer can I hold out before playing in another game?

[The Saucepan Man]

If the wolf takes out the Hunter and dies, wolf loses.True. I had forgotten that the Wolf would know that there was a Hunter about. Applying the rule that 1 Wolf v 1 Hunter = Wolf victory, though, the Wolf would have a 2 in 3 chance of victory either way.

1) can wolves choose NOT to hunt in a given night?Well, the Hunter can, so why not the Wolves. The situations in which that would be a useful tactic, however, are very limited. I would leave that one up to the Mod.

2) how much longer can I hold out before playing in another game?3) why bother holding out? ;)

[Fordim Hedgethistle]

3) why bother holding out? ;)

Because I want to keep a life for myself outside the Downs for a while.

Uh oh....EAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGHHH...Chat Skwerels!!

[Aiwendil]

The Saucepan Man:
It could have been different - the Hunter and one Wolf could have cancelled each other out, leaving a Wolf v an innocent (albeit, in that case, the Cursed).

But wouldn't wolf vs. innocent on the last day be a wolf victory?

Well, the Hunter can, so why not the Wolves.

Not necessarily - when I was the Hunter in Alcarillo's game, I had to hunt every Day and every Night.

Fordim:
If the wolf takes out the innocent, then next day double lynching and wolf loses.


If wolf vs. hunter were deemed not to constitute a wolf victory a priori then this would be correct and the wolf would have a one in four chance of winning if he/she killed someone (1/2 chance of getting the hunter times 1/2 chance that the hunter hunted the innocent). And there would be a 1/2 chance of a draw and a 1 in four chance of a villager win.

But if wolf vs. hunter is a wolf win (as I think it ought to be) then it's a 3 in 4 chance of winning for the wolf and 1 in 4 for the villagers, assuming the wolf attacked someone.

But I think you've incorrectly tallied the probabilities for the other scenario (wolf does not attack anyone):

Hunter gets lynched, wolf wins.

Innocent gets lynched, wolf wins.

wolf gets lynched, wolf loses.


I would correct as follows:

1. 1/3 chance that the hunter gets lynched, in which case:
a. 1/2 chance he hunts the innocent that day (wolf wins)
b. 1/2 chance he hunts the wolf (villagers win)
2. 1/3 chance the innocent gets lynched (wolf wins or draw depending on wolf vs. hunter rule)
3. 1/3 chance that the wolf gets lynched (villagers win)

So if hunter vs. wolf is a draw then we have a 1/4 chance of a wolf win if the wolf attacks that night and a 1/6 chance if he does not.

If hunter vs. wolf is a wolf win then we have a 3/4 chance of a wolf victory if the wolf attacks that night and a 1/2 chance if he does not.

Either way, it's better for the wolf to attack.

[the guy who be short]

Unless you are suggesting that the Mod is actually an active player in the game? I don't like the sound of that, as the Mod's imparitiality should be beyond question.Of course the Mod is impartial. It is really just a fun way of saying "draw." I'd rather play in a game where the Mod ultimately wins than in a draw.

In any case, if the whole village dies, it's not even a draw. It's a multi-loss.

Wouldn't the math take care of such a scenario? For example:My mistake. Yes, the wolves would win then.

[The Saucepan Man]

But wouldn't wolf vs. innocent on the last day be a wolf victory?Yes, sorry. I meant a different way of narrating the Wolf win - ie with only one Wolf surviving, rather than two. But I thought in that game that, the way that they had played, both Wolves deserved to survive.

Not necessarily - when I was the Hunter in Alcarillo's game, I had to hunt every Day and every Night.That's quite harsh. When I was the Hunter (WWXII, I believe), my decision not to Hunt the Werebear on the final Night played some part in our victory as, had I hunted and got it wrong, it could have spelled disaster. In "game logic" terms, it makes sense to allow the Hunter to take a conscious decision (acting on the basis of his rational assessment) not to hunt, while there are grounds for ruling that the Wolves (acting, arguably, more on cunning and instinct than on logic in their transformed state) should be compelled to kill at night.

I defer to your far greater abilities of mathmatical assessment, Aiwendil. :D

It is really just a fun way of saying "draw." I'd rather play in a game where the Mod ultimately wins than in a draw.But, if it is just a fun way of saying draw, then it is a draw. Which is a boring outcome imho.

In any case, if the whole village dies, it's not even a draw. It's a multi-loss.Precisely. Draw = everyone loses.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Yes - WWII, which I modded. The final day found the Hunter (BW) and an innocent (SoN) up against two Wolves (the phantom and dancing spawn). Although the innocent also happened to be the Cursed. One Wolf attacked the Cursed , who began to transform. The Hunter then shot the cursed ( :D ) and was savaged by the two Wolves. Wolf victory.That narration was one of the best I've seen (although I may be a bit biased). :D

The same thing happened also in WWXIII which I modded. There was an innocent (Ang) and Hunter (Lalaith) against two wolves (tar-ancalime & Eonwe, who was originally the Cursed), and because the wolves would have won anyway after the Hunter's kill, I thought it would be nicer to let both wolves stay alive.


That's quite harsh. When I was the Hunter (WWXII, I believe), my decision not to Hunt the Werebear on the final Night played some part in our victory as, had I hunted and got it wrong, it could have spelled disaster. In "game logic" terms, it makes sense to allow the Hunter to take a conscious decision (acting on the basis of his rational assessment) not to hunt, while there are grounds for ruling that the Wolves (acting, arguably, more on cunning and instinct than on logic in their transformed state) should be compelled to kill at night.Well, if the Hunter has to PM the mod a name every night, can't they just give their own name and kill themselves if they are attacked by wolves? :p

Anyway, I don't like twisting the rules much. Of course players want to adjust the rules so that it benefits their side, but isn't it part of the fun and excitement of having a certain role that it may have a drastic influence on the outcome of a game?

[Kath]

I would just like to say - oy! I did tell Menel I wouldn't be around one Day and I believe I mentioned it both in here and on the main thread.

I do apologise though for my absence yesterDay which was unavoidable. I should have been back in plenty of time to save myself but the plane was delayed and the car broke down etc.

The dead should tell no tales I know but I thought I should explain myself.

[Fordim Hedgethistle]

Either way, it's better for the wolf to attack.

Only if he does so using his sliderule.... :p

[mormegil]

But surely "Mod wins" is just another way of saying it's a draw. And draws are dull and to be avoided at all costs, imho.

Soccer or your football? :p

Anyway I agree that the Wolves win in the scenario. Think of it this way, the wolves goal is to kill the village. If they are all dead (villagers) wolves win whether or not they are alive too is irrelevant, though I would leave the wolves alive to avoid the ambiguity.

[Farael]

Alright, who is the next on the list for modding? I believe Nilp wanted to give it a go, but I'd like to pencil my name down after his.... I say pencil because there might be someone else waiting and I wouldn't want to cut in line :p

I have quite a few ideas for my game (Whenever it happens) but I don't mind waiting.... nor playing another game.

[Shelob]

I'm up for the next Mod, Nilp was kind enough to let me take this round since it works best with my school schedule. He gets the game after me then and after that it should be free.

For my game I'm aiming for a village of fifteen (15) to twenty (20) people, so feel free to start signing up now. There are just a couple of quick points about my game.

>>I ask that you DO NOT CHOOSE AN OCCUPATION (yet). I may or may not limit which occupations are available (for the purposes of my narations) but I haven't decided yet. Within 24 hours I'll let you know.

>>I'm considering adding the role of "False Seer" (also called "the Fool"). Basically this role functions such that both the Seer and the False Seer would get a PM from me saying "You are a Seer yadda yadda yadda..." Only I would know which was the true seer and so they both would believe they were getting the correct information. The False Seer's dreaming works such that if the False Seer dreams of the true Seer they're told they've found the False Seer, if they dream of anyone else I pull a role out of a hat containing all the remaining roles (minus the seer). So if it's Night Three and there's 3wolves, 1ranger, 1hunter, 9villagers, (and the subtracted seer) I'd be pulling one of those randomly to tell the False Seer.

I'm looking for input regarding the False Seer, so feel free to ask questions or give your opinions. Like with the occupations I'll let you know what I decide within 24 hours.

Day/Night Starting Times will probably be around 4:30pm EST, though that's flexible within half an hour either way. I say for sure when the game will start until I have a better feel (well, any feel) for how recruitment's going.

[The Saucepan Man]

... or a stress junkie.

Sign me up! :D

[Farael]

I'm in as well!!

Although I'm looking forward to Nilp's game (no offense meant for you Shelob) I have the perfect occupation if Nilp will allow... I'll be... the town's Nilp! =D

But that will have to wait, as will any decisions on my job for this game, until tomorrow I guess

[The Saucepan Man]

As for the False Seer, I like the idea, but doesn't it rather sway things against the villagers? The Seer is the villagers' greatest asset and, if they can't rely on the information that they get from him or her, it will be a serious obstacle to them.

So I think that it would need to be balanced out with something in favour of the villagers.

4.30pm EST is 9.30pm GMT, right? I would prefer an hour later, but I can live with it.

[Shelob]

I figured that, and after my last post it dawned on me I should probably clarify a few points about the false seer.

>>If the False Seer is Used there will be NO COBBLER OR CURSED. I don't want to give the wolves too much of an advantage. (If the False Seer is not used I'll be using at least one of those roles, depends on the numbers)

>>The Hunter and Ranger will be allowed to talk during the day, which should help balance it a little. Though this will hold true regardless of whether or not the False Seer is used.

>>When one of the seers dies I will tell the village which one it was. So the notation would read something like: SHELOB--False Seer--pushed into a well by wolves on NIGHT 3
Which should clarify something...if nothing else it'll solve the mystery for the remaining seer.



and it may even end up depending entirely on how the wolf:villager:gifted proportions work out, if it's tilted enough in favour of the wolves I'd like to try a game with the False Seer, even just to see how it works out in practice.
[EDIT: I said earlier I'd let you know about the Flase Seer within 24 hours, in reality I'll probably decide shortly before the game begins. That way more people can have input on it.]

Yes, 4.30pmEST=9.30pmGMT. I was making a quick guess on times, thinking further on it I figure I may push it back at least half an hour, but it should settle somewhere in the 4.30/5.30pmEST (9.30/10.30pmGMT) range...

[mormegil]

I think I would like to add my name to the roster.

As for the false seer that might be good because since SpM and I are inevitably dreamt of on the first 3 nights perhaps they will receive false information. I can only imagine if the two of us were wolves...the seer would identify two within 2 to 3 nights :rolleyes: . Though I'm not a huge fan of the role because I'm thinking from the perspective of playing the seer. You wouldn't never be certain that you were correct and the village wouldn't really know the truth until after their death. However, it may be a lot of fun. So I'm not against it but I would like others to say their piece too.

Edit: I also would like to reserve a slot for Fordim in case we can talk him into playing :D

[Aiwendil]

I'm in for the next one as well.

The false seer is a very interesting idea, though I also worry that it might bias things against the villagers. One thing that could be done to soften the effect would be to have the false seer simply have a chance of receiving the wrong information - e.g. 50% of the time the false seer is told the truth, 50% of the time a lie. But that might push things too far the other way and give an advantage to the villagers.

Another possibility is that the false seer could always be told that the person he/she dreamt of is innocent. This would prevent a disastrous lynching of an innocent whom the false seer accused of being a wolf. It would also mean that once the real seer dreams of someone other than an innocent, he (but not the false seer) will know the truth about his role.

I don't know that either of those suggestions would work well in practice; I'm just throwing out some ideas.

[Glirdan]

...or just insane. Or maybe both? Who knows? Anyway, definetly count me in.

This False Seer idea of yours sounds interesting and what better way to try out new ideas then in an actual game that you get to mod, right? I say yes to the False Seer.

As for the times, I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) that we are in the same time zone yet 4:30 is not the best of times for me as I have school for six hours and then band three days a week for an hour and a half which means it would be ending just as the Day/Night begins. Do you think you could push it back?

[Kuruharan]

The Three have won 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 9, 10, 11, 13, and 14 for a total of ten wins.

The Ordos have won 4, 6, 8, 12, 15, and 17 for a total of six.

The Black Beornings have won squat for a total of naught.

A Tie occurred in 16 making one.

While the Ordos still have not won two in a row, they now have a chance of it.

(Yes, I'm obsessed with the ordos being able to win two in a row.)

[mormegil]

(Yes, I'm obsessed with the ordos being able to win two in a row.)

Will you be helping out in this next one?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

You sure you're up to the chance of being lynched on DAY 1--happened to me once; it was fun but kinda depressing. :D :(

Ummm . . . I'll probably skip this one, unless some lovely person decides to grace this game with her presence. :)

[Cailín]

I have a sort of doom scenario that is bound to happen when we let Nilp mod a game. Maybe we should reconsider. :p

I'm not playing for a while, since my grades have been rapidly going downhill after I joined Formendacil's game. I find that very disturbing. Have fun you all! :)

[Formendacil]

Sign me up!

I have way too many friends on this site... I can't offend them by not playing.

I'm also addicted...

No occupations? How droll...

[Lhunardawen]

*slaps Formendacil*

Are you a masochist or what?!

Musst...ressisst...preciouss...

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Well, the players list looks great thus far, but I don't know if I should...

Sign me up, please. :rolleyes:


About the false Seer: it will definitely make things more complicated, but it'd be fun to try out, how that role really works.

[Lhunardawen]

Well, the players list looks great thus far, but I don't know if I should...

Sign me up, please. :rolleyes:*hands keyboard over to Nilp*

Well, well, speaking of the . . . daga . . .

Sign me up, please. :rolleyes:

*takes keyboard back after a long bloody fight*

Sign me up, please. :rolleyes:

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Please let me play in this one, O my wonderful wolf Shelob. :)

I've been having severe withdrawal symptons lately and I need a fix, posthaste!

Lhuna, this time! I'm watching you... ;)

[The Saucepan Man]

Will you be helping out in this next one?Yes, Kuru. Won't you come out to play?

I need someone other than dancing spawn to habitually suspect ... ;)

[the guy who be short]

*Withdraws hand from keyboard*

*Tentatively reaches forward again*

I really wish I could play in this one. It looks great. Spm, Eomer, morm, Lhuny to name but a few...

Alas, I have both coursework and mock exams to take care of. And it would be discourteous to hog a space four games in a row, for I will certainly not miss a Nilp-modding. So I'm sitting this one out, unfortunately. I hope I have time to keep track of going ons. The False Seer looks interesting, by which I mean, it will confuse the daga out of everybody.

[Kuruharan]

Yes, Kuru. Won't you come out to play?

Oh, I don't know if that would be a good idea. Let me think about it. I spent waaay too much time on this last go around.

I'd need to know what day we'd be starting so I could see how the alternation would work out (it makes a bit of a difference).

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I know Mods dislike being bugged like this...

...but can we please outlaw double-lynchings for this game? I just hate them so much! :D

[The Saucepan Man]

...but can we please outlaw double-lynchings for this game? I just hate them so much!I actually agree on this. It is far too stressful trying to orchestrate them. :D

But I am very keen that we retain non-retractable votes.

[littlemanpoet]

Count me in. .... that gives SPM one more character to habitually suspect. :rolleyes:

And I'd like to moderate a game soon after that ....

.....I want to try 'dueling wizards'. More about that later, but if you're curious, check out the thread entitled "Werewolf Scenarios You Want to See" (or something like that). I'd hyperlink but this workplace computer doesn't allow it. Grr.

[Kath]

And me please! The False Seer role looks interesting and if the Hunter and Ranger are allowed to communicate throughout the Day it should balance out.

[Garin]

Garin raises his furry hand.
Consider me for the game as well.
Although, I'm not sure about the False Seer. It almost seems cruel to the fool.
I must protect my people.
EDIT: My people = fools

[The Saucepan Man]

Count me in. .... that gives SPM one more character to habitually suspect.Excellent. The conditions are ripe for me to reprise my traditional role as clueless and generally mistaken ordinary villager. ;)

Garin raises his furry hand.
Consider me for the game as well.And I'm adding you to my list of usual suspects, too. :p :D

The Hunter and Ranger will be allowed to talk during the day, which should help balance it a little.Note, however, that this could go against the villagers too. In WWXVII, a number of people (including the Wolves) were able to spot Glirdan the Hunter after Cailin was revealed as the Ranger from the foregoing discussions and voting record. The guy who be wolfish's notes show that the Wolves thought that they might be able to spot one as and when the other was killed.

[the guy who be short]

Perhaps you could bring back the good old Shirriffs? Note the spelling...

[Shelob]

Alright, I've been looking at it and I figure there's probably three possible ways the gifted roles are going to end up working.

The First:
3 Wolves
1 Seer
1 Ranger
1 Hunter
> where the Ranger and Hunter are allowed to communicate during the day.

The Second:
3 Wolves
1 Seer
1 False Seer
1 Ranger
1 Hunter
> where the Ranger and Hunter are allowed to communicate during the day

The Third:
3 Wolves
1 Seer
1 False Seer
1 Ranger
1 Hunter
2 Sherriffs

Feel free to make other suggestions, those just seem like the most likely.


Now, as for occupations, I'm not going to limit them but if you could take one from the following list I would appreciate it as it would make writing my narrations somewhat easier. (And yes, I did steal some of this from the list of Midieval Occupations LMP supplied ages ago. It made life easier.)


Prince/princess
baker
inventor
noble
gentleperson
salesperson
hermit
eccentric bum
soldier
knight
fraudster
fishmonger
governess
manager
entertainer
jester
musician
theif
priest
farmer
magistrate
flower salesperson
chef
messanger
beekeeper
fool
Ironmonger
Mason
Shepherd
Coppersmith
Money lender
Cheese seller
Tanner
Butcher
Tailor
Silversmith
Carpenter
Leatherworker
Glover
Hatter
crazy lady who lives with pet rocks (instead of cats)
alchemist
stable hand
hunch back
resident amphibean
leper
ex-leper
foreign dignitary
flaming flamingo
constitutional peasant
banker


Thanks.

[Farael]

I call Alchemist!!!! It'll be fun to add some 1,2,3,4-thiatriazoles and cyclooctanes to the conversation :D

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Flaming flamingo? What on Middle-earth...

I call priest. And I think you may guess who my holy Lord will be. ;)

I am not overly keen on the False Seer idea but I'm prepared to try anything once (well, maybe not anything :rolleyes: :p ). So I say try it out Shelob!

I am not at all keen on the Ranger and Hunter knowing each other. I'd prefer to keep them separate and have Shirriffs. BUT the only way to have so many gifteds is in a game with over 15 players. We don't want all the gifteds coming out and narrowing the wolf-suspect list by half immediately.

And if we have Shirriffs as well as all these gifteds I think double-lynchings must be outlawed. Because then you have a case where 6 people can come out right at the start and the village will simply double-lynch their way to victory. The wolves won't have much of a chance, and the game wouldn't reach a chilling nerve-racking climax.

[Anguirel]

I like the False Seer myself...nice and Biblical, somehow...

I'd like to enter this one though I may have to back out, in which case I'll squeal.

I'll take the banker...

[Celuien]

I'm really missing werewolf. Life has been very, very busy lately.

But then again, there's this role:
resident amphibean

Hmm.

Okay, I'd like to sign up, though I may have to back out, in which unfortunate case I'll be quite unhappy.

[Aiwendil]

I'm not particularly fond of the idea of Shirriffs in general. Unlike the other Gifteds, they don't seem to add much to the gameplay. However, I can see a case for including them merely as a compensatory factor to keep the False Seer from unbalancing things.

[Formendacil]

Could I add my vote to Eomer and SPM's for No Double Lynchings?

Also, have you got a maximum number of players in mind? If so, you ought to let us know when we reach it (sorry, ex-mod colours showing...).

Either Option 1 or Option 2 is fine with me for the game roles. I don't care for the Shirriffs, so I'd prefer to avoid Option 3.

[Shelob]

I'm going to have NIGHT 1 start on Sunday, at 5pm EST (10pm GMT). Day 1 will therefore start on Monday at 5pm GMT. The only possible way this could change is if A) Ang and/or Celuien drop out and no one else signs up (we won't have 15 players) or B) I'm abducted by aliens.

However niether of those possibilities seem very likely, so I wouldn't worry about it if I were you.


[EDIT: I'm hoping not to go over 20 Form, just because then it get's unwieldy, but given as we're not sure how a False Seer will upset things I'm not going to set a specific limit. I trust people wont read that as "let's get a game of 50 people started", but the number of people will effect which roles I eventually end up using. I do want a Minimum of 15 people though.]

[Kath]

I'll bag beekeeper if you don't mind. Bzzz!

[Glirdan]

Shelob, I love you right now!! *Runs up and gives her big hug* You put my dream job in there. I'm calling musician!!

This game is going to be awsome. The two people that I've suspected a whole game are in it. Those would be SpM and Lmp. This is going to be so fun!!! :D

I'm also agreeing with the no double-lynchings. As I've said before as well, I think we should go with the second option with the False Seer.

[The Saucepan Man]

Put me down for foreign dignitary. I'll let you know which foreign parts I am from when I know where the village is.

Am I right in thinking that the False Seer might get correct information (coincidentally on a random roll), but that the chances are it will be false? I suppose that in itself could be useful information if the Seer dies and the False Seer is left.

On that basis, I will plump for the second option with no double-lynchings. Like Aiwendil, I am not a great fan of Shirriffs as they add little to the game and require clumsy mechanics like stipulating when they can and cannot declare.

[Shelob]

Glirdan: Glad your happy.

SPM: You are correct, the False seer has a chance of getting the right information so long as the right role is still available (if the False Seer has already gotten "Ranger" as a dream and they dream of the real Ranger there's no way they can dream correctly).

Also SPM: the village is going to be in the mountains somewhere, I don't have anything more specific than that, so if it helps with deciding which foreign parts your from grand, otherwise I'm sorry.

Everyone: I'm not going to be back on barrowdowns for probably a little less than a day. If you have any questions which need immediate answering your best bet is AbercrombieofRohan, though her word shouldn't be taken as being as definitive as mine it should be pretty accurate. Otherwise, well, there's not a lot you can do otherwise but wait, sign up if you haven't yet and are able, and argue the life out of the False Seer options. So Have Fun!

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

This looks to be shaping up to be a great game, and I would have loved to sign up, but I can't since I'll be out of the country and away from the keyboard for all of the coming week. So I have to sit it out, but expect me back for the next one! :)

[mormegil]

Soldier will be my professionfor the first two I wanted have already been taken *Spm and Ang*. Incidentally I see a number of my past professions on here which is rather fun to see and I notice that Eomer took my priest role :p .

No Shirriffs but the Ranger and Hunter speaking is okay by me.

[Holbytlass]

oh gosh, I hope I'm not too late, I'd like to sign up!