Tol-in-Gaurhoth (Isle of Werewolves)

[satansaloser2005]

Hey, add me to the mod-list. I'm in no hurry, but it's getting ridiculous that I still haven't modded a game. I'm starting to get ashamed of my laziness...

This travesty must be rectified! *demands!* :D

[wilwarin538]

With that spelling, completely true! *cackles* ^_^


*snuggles her a Wilwa*

gah, I hate that word, I can never spell it right! :P

Ok, so neverMods first in order of asking, then Glirdy and I last, I'll put him first now since it's been longer for him and he did ask first:

Morsul
Alona
Lottie/Hakon
Nerwen
Glirdan
Wilwa

I don't know about the order anymore, haha. I think Morsul has wanted to go for a while (he has something about his game in his sig), so I think it's his turn. If he doesn't turn up for a while then Alona should be next (cause she was about to go before Sally, but got busy), if she's still too busy then Lottie/Hakon can go. And so on, until eventually a game happens, haha...

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I thought I asked a while, didn't I? Not that it matters insanely much given how busy I am, but I thought I'd be on there somewhere.

[Glirdan]

Morsul
Alona
Lottie/Hakon
Nerwen
Glirdan
Wilwa

Feel free to put yourself ahead of me as I doubt I'll be able to mod the one I have in mind until June or July when my schedule has finally calmed down.

And I just noticed this:


shaking the dust off

ach, aaaacchhh (cough, cough)...well, it's been awhile and it's good to see some old faces and lovely to get to know some new faces here

I would love to play the next werewolf game (73!?! amazing)
I'm thumbing through to get reacquainted and apologize if I'm doing it wrong.

I just can't wait to get my feet (or paws) wet again!!!

You're back!! :D YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAY!!!!! :D

[wilwarin538]

I thought I asked a while, didn't I? Not that it matters insanely much given how busy I am, but I thought I'd be on there somewhere.

Oh, must have missed you! I just went back to the last time there was a list and then kinda skimmed through. I'll add you in!

Morsul
Alona
Lottie/Hakon
Shasta
Nerwen
Glirdan
Wilwa

Really now there isn't much order to this anymore. :rolleyes: So I don't know anymore....probably shouldn't take anymore onto the list though, cause I seem to remember there being a "5 at a time" only rule or something, haha...

Is Morsul around at all? If he isn't I do think it would be Alona next if she's able, since she was supposed to go before Sally...

[Loslote]

1. Alona's too busy and says for me to go before her.

2. It's mostly a "Lottie-modded game" with "Hakon telling Lottie when she's being silly (always)".

3. I don't know if Morsul is around or not. If he isn't, I can get my game started. :)

[Morsul the Dark]

If you desire to go be my guest I do however have my game more or less set up

[Loslote]

If you desire to go be my guest I do however have my game more or less set up

Excellent. That works almost better for me, anyway. :)

[aldredheron]

I am a merchant. I often leave for days at a time and return from some strange foreign land with goods the likes of which ye have ne'er seen before. My very presence in the village sometimes encourages feelings of xenophobia.

[Pitchwife]

Welcome to one of the crazier sides of the Downs, aldredheron! If you'd like to sign up for the next Werewolf game, you can do so on the Admin thread (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?p=624356). Unfortunately, it's set in a lunatic asylum, so your merchant character won't get to travel that much, except in the mind.
My very presence in the village sometimes encourages feelings of xenophobia.
If you'll forgive me for saying so, some closer study of what's going on in a thread before posting might help to reduce those feelings...;)

[Glirdan]

So, just to inform everyone so I don't get any PM's begging me to play and all :p, from this point until about the end of April, I will have to take a break from the WW playing due to some RL commitments (aka. Theatre performances) that will be taking over my life starting this coming weekend. So, have fun all of you and, in the words of The Terminator, I'll Be Back!

*Snuggles everyone*

[Thinlómien]

I understand the last ww game just finished...

...where can I sign up for the next one? :D

[wilwarin538]

I understand the last ww game just finished...

...where can I sign up for the next one? :D

Not wasting any time are you now? haha ;)

It's either Alona or Lottie's turn next I think....

[Kitanna]

Not wasting any time are you now? haha ;)

Neither I am, haha. I'm gonna have to stalk the area until the next mod has a sign-up ready. ;)

[satansaloser2005]

*stalks around with Kit and Lommie*

[Glirdan]

*Brooding and sulking in a corner whilst wishing that he could stalk with the other three*

[satansaloser2005]

*Brooding and sulking in a corner whilst wishing that he could stalk with the other three*

*snuggles you*

[Kitanna]

*Brooding and sulking in a corner whilst wishing that he could stalk with the other three*
*pat, pat* *hands you a cookie*

Soon enough you'll be able to rejoin us, because no one can stay away.

[satansaloser2005]

*pat, pat* *hands you a cookie*

Soon enough you'll be able to rejoin us, because no one can stay away.

Heh. Kit would know. ;)

And yes, you can't stay away. No one ever leaves here....*shifty eyes*

[Glirdan]

Well at least now I'm kind of psyched for the ending of this play....No, actually, I'm more excited for it to start! :D Anyways, have fun everyone. Will hopefully be able to check in once in awhile over the next couple of weeks, but I can't make any promises. *Snuggles everyone and hands them all cookies*

[Loslote]

Admin thread for my game, War of the Wolves, will be up ASAP*. Kthanx. :)


*read, as soon as I can badger Hakon into writing up a draft of the rules. :rolleyes:

[Pitchwife]

War of the Wolves
Sounds promising! *joins the stalkers*

[Inziladun]

After riding out my self-enforced one-game break, I think I'll get in on the next one.

[Kitanna]

Heh. Kit would know. ;)
There I was, pretty much all, but gone from the Downs for about two months. And then one night, like a beacon in a fog I felt the call. THE CALL TO WEREWOLF! And here I am, back again.

[satansaloser2005]

There I was, pretty much all, but gone from the Downs for about two months. And then one night, like a beacon in a fog I felt the call. THE CALL TO WEREWOLF! And here I am, back again.

I totally read bacon in a fog....erm, yeah. :rolleyes:



And oooo! I'm eager to join, Lottie dear! :D

[Thinlómien]

Current mod list is

**Lottie/Hakon**
Alona
Shasta
Nerwen
Glirdan
Wilwa

I just had a stroke of inspiration and I'd like to mod some day. Just indicating interest here, no point adding more names to the list - besides, I would have to mod before mid-June (which looks unlikely given the length of the current list) or then it will go to the autumn. To those interested, I am thinking of a nice back to the basics game...

Speaking of which, I hope that some of the near future mods are thinking of nice and simple basic games too. :Merisu:

[Pitchwife]

To those interested, I am thinking of a nice back to the basics game...
A break from the crazy rules arms race:)? And (dare I hope it?) with a nice rather smallish cast - say, around 12? Sign me up for that anytime!

[Thinlómien]

A break from the crazy rules arms race? And (dare I hope it?) with a nice rather smallish cast - say, around 12? Sign me up for that anytime!Definitely a break from that. And I can't promise a small cast because I won't limit the amount of players, but I will try to start when I have 12-15 players and not recruit any more.

And I'm not taking any sign ups until I have an admin thread. ;) I guess it will be quite a time until the modding turn comes to me, and besides I would let first-time mods go before me since I have already modded 2½ games in the past... :)

But as a hint to all future mods, there is interest in basic sort of games in the air. *nudge nudge* Besides they require much less planning and inspiration from the mod him/herself. ;)

PS. I would like to see somebody modding Dueling Wizards III in early June... Anybody agreeing?

[satansaloser2005]

Definitely a break from that. And I can't promise a small cast because I won't limit the amount of players, but I will try to start when I have 12-15 players and not recruit any more.

And I'm not taking any sign ups until I have an admin thread. ;) I guess it will be quite a time until the modding turn comes to me, and besides I would let first-time mods go before me since I have already modded 2½ games in the past...

But as a hint to all future mods, there is interest in basic sort of games in the air. *nudge nudge* Besides they require much less planning and inspiration from the mod him/herself. ;)

PS. I would like to see somebody modding Dueling Wizards III in early June... Anybody agreeing?

Obviously not me, as I just modded. But I agree, 'cause I want another DW! :D

[wilwarin538]

My game will be fairly simple when my turn comes around, and it should be fairly easy for people to guess what my theme might end up being *waggles eyebrows in direction of sig, avvie and location*, unless I decide to do a sequel to my last...still not sure. Either way, it won't be too crazy!


Oh, and I've never played a Dueling Wizards game, so I would love if someone decided to mod one!!!

[Inziladun]

My game will be fairly simple when my turn comes around, and it should be fairly easy for people to guess what my theme might end up being *waggles eyebrows in direction of sig, avvie and location*, unless I decide to do a sequel to my last...still not sure. Either way, it won't be too crazy!


Heh. Your last game was tremendous. Had it not been so enjoyable I might not have stuck with the WWing. ;)
I find myself more and more thinking I'd like to try my hand at modding one. As soon as I can come up with something good, I think I'll see about getting on the list.

[wilwarin538]

Heh. Your last game was tremendous. Had it not been so enjoyable I might not have stuck with the WWing. ;)


Aww, thanks! :D I love modding, so it's so great to hear you liked it! And being a wolf helped you out a lot, since it seems by my track record as a mod that wolves always win my games, haha. ;)

[Morsul the Dark]

Wilwa presign me up!;)

[wilwarin538]

The list:

Alona
Wilwa
Glirdan
Shasta
Nerwen

That's just in order of when people asked, not necessarily the order it should be happening. Basically it's pretty up in the air. Though Alona should get first dibs if she's ready to go, cause she's been on there forever. ;)

[wilwarin538]

*raises hand*

Uhm, I'd be good to go next if everyone's cool with that. Cause I don't think Alona is around...

[Thinlómien]

Of course if anybody who keeps in touch with her would be able to contact her via Facebook/e-mail/phone/whatever it would be nice and clear...

But I have nothing against you going next, personally. ;)

[wintywinty]

I wish to join this game.

[wilwarin538]

Of course if anybody who keeps in touch with her would be able to contact her via Facebook/e-mail/phone/whatever it would be nice and clear...


I tried, but did not receive a response and it seems as though she hasn't been on Facebook for quite a few days.

So since there seems not to be any objections, I can have my admin thread up later today. :)

[satansaloser2005]

Dang it! I saw the spam poster's username and was really hoping it wasn't a spammer. Imagine all the good meta-logic you could use on them in a game!

"But baddie is part of their name, for pity's sake. Vote for them!"

When's the next game up? *bounces*

[Glirdan]

Well I can't do mine just yet, still need to do some background research and I don't quite have the time just now, so someone can jump ahead of me.

[Inziladun]

Well I can't do mine just yet, still need to do some background research and I don't quite have the time just now, so someone can jump ahead of me.

Who does that put forward as next, then? Shasta, since alona's apparently not around at the moment?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I'm fine with hosting next. :)

[Loslote]

I'm fine with hosting next. :)

Ooh! Ooh! *dances around the Downs* Sign me up! :D

[Nerwen]

Dang it! I saw the spam poster's username and was really hoping it wasn't a spammer. Imagine all the good meta-logic you could use on them in a game!

"But baddie is part of their name, for pity's sake. Vote for them!"


Eh? Look who's talking!:rolleyes:

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Okay, it's been a day and I see no objections, so... my Admin thread will be going up sometime tonight/tomorrow. BE ON THE LOOKOUT!

[Paranoia]

Sooooo uhhh. Is this where you sign up to mod a game?

Because I can totally get behind that. Shasta can verify I'm a reliable mod.

[Thinlómien]

This is the right place, Paranoia. :) (Welcome to the 'downs, by the way!)

The current list is
Alona (has passed her turn on several times)
Glirdan (has passed his turn on once)
Nerwen
+ Lommy (wants to mod either before mid-July or then late August at the earliest)

so we can make it

Alona
Glirdan
Nerwen
Paranoia
+ Lommy the moving hazard
Any idea who's modding the next game? *pokes Alona, Glirdan and Nerwen with sticks*

[Nerwen]

Well, I'm here. I don't know what's happened to Glirdan and Alona.

[Inziladun]

I have a couple of ideas for a basic game. I'd like to give modding a try.

[Thinlómien]

Did you say basic game? *drools*

Err, sorry. :D

Updated modding list

Alona
Glirdan
Nerwen
Lommy (won't be able to mod until mid-August, feel free to skip until then)
Paranoia
Zil

[satansaloser2005]

*pats Lommie's little head*

I think it's high time for the Finns to get here. *drools also*

[Thinlómien]

:eek:

*is scared*

*goes around the corner and prepares the allmighty werewolf-killer sword*

*runs at Sally waving the sword*

*flees at the sight of the chat skrewl*

[satansaloser2005]

:eek:

*is scared*

*goes around the corner and prepares the allmighty werewolf-killer sword*

*runs at Sally waving the sword*

*flees at the sight of the chat skrewl*


HAHA! Not what I was going for, but all right then. :p


*pats skwerl's head* Good Dave, good boy. ^_^

[Glirdan]

Glirdy's having one hectic time with school and other RL commitments at the moment and probably won't be able to do any Werewolf related activities till about mid-June so Nerwen may take Glirdy's place :p

Sorry for the third person...couldn't resist :D

[Paranoia]

So uh, who's hosting next? I'm just sort of curious right now.

[Loslote]

I think Nerwen's up next, if she's ready. :)

[Nerwen]

I think Nerwen's up next, if she's ready. :)
I've got a few things to finish off, but I'll try and have the admin thread up in the next day or two.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Oh, Nerwen's modding and I am not sure if I will be able to play! Well, if the timing is right, I might (is that supposed to rhyme?)... actually, if it takes more than a week and a few days to get people signed up and start, then surely...

[Thinlómien]

I think I can't play. :(

[satansaloser2005]

I think I can't play. :(

I think you should anyway. ;)

*hugs you*

[Inziladun]

Glirdy's having one hectic time with school and other RL commitments at the moment and probably won't be able to do any Werewolf related activities till about mid-June so Nerwen may take Glirdy's place :p

That's right, Glirdy was supposed to have gone before Shasta.
If he's ready I guess he's next, unless alona's around.

[Glirdan]

Well, I'm good to go now. No more school or shows to worry about for the time being and I just need to put the finishing touches to the game. But if Alona is around and is ready to go, she has the floor.

[satansaloser2005]

Well, I'm good to go now. No more school or shows to worry about for the time being and I just need to put the finishing touches to the game. But if Alona is around and is ready to go, she has the floor.

But but but but Sally can't play Werewolf for the next two weeks! :(

[Blind Guardian]

Then you're going to have to miss it!

[Glirdan]

Awww, well I wasn't planning on putting the Admin thread up till about Wednesday and this IS a big game so the sign up time might go longer....

Speaking of, how long should I give Alona?? Because like I said, I still have some fine tuning to do and wouldn't mind starting it up a little later if I have to.

PS: Sally, is there no possible way that you could play??

[satansaloser2005]

Then you're going to have to miss it!

Well that's a lovely sentiment, but I'd rather not. Appreciate the condolences?

Awww, well I wasn't planning on putting the Admin thread up till about Wednesday and this IS a big game so the sign up time might go longer....

Speaking of, how long should I give Alona?? Because like I said, I still have some fine tuning to do and wouldn't mind starting it up a little later if I have to.

PS: Sally, is there no possible way that you could play??

Nope, not until after the fourth. Well, I could play until the beginning of July, and then I'd have to take a week off solid (for camp) so unless it starts pretty much right away it's impossible. I'm sorry, lover. :(

[Glirdan]

Awww shucks!! :(

Well, I was wondering if perhaps it would be better to delay any game (whether it be mine or Alona's) seeing as a quite a few regular players are currently attending a small moot in Geneva, New York. We would be missing Boro, Wilwa, Fea, Nienna, Formy and all the Finns as well as Rune and Kath. And for my game, I was hoping to get all of them playing....

So, my vote (unless Alona comes back and has a small game in mind) is to wait at least till the end of the week to start any game. I know Wilwa will be coming back home on Wednesday or Thursday, but I'm not sure when the Finns are going home.

What say everyone else?

[satansaloser2005]

Well you can always open signups and just delay the actual game start *cough* until I get back *cough* so that everyone can play. I know it'd be hard for the Moot people to play, so if nothing else you should at least wait a week or so. (And I don't recall when the Finns are returning home, sorry.)

[Blind Guardian]

Mind adding my name to the list of would-be admins?

I don't care when a game starts, all I know is that I'm signing up immedietly. :P





PS I wouldn't mind hosting a small game...

[satansaloser2005]

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelllllllllllllllllllllllllll....

I know Dun said he was going for a classic, simple game. If that classic, simple game is a small one I don't see why he couldn't just go. Maybe? Then again, I don't want to miss his game either. Oh poo. :(

[Inziladun]

I know Dun said he was going for a classic, simple game. If that classic, simple game is a small one I don't see why he couldn't just go. Maybe? Then again, I don't want to miss his game either. Oh poo. :(

I think Paranoia was ahead of me, wasn't he?

[Loslote]

Aww...Little Lottie can't play, either. She leaves for camp for two weeks on the 28th, and only has interwebs during the weekend (when she will be catching up on sleep and laundry). :(

[Blind Guardian]

What the heck is it with camp?!? Why is everyone leaving? Am I missing something? I've never been to a camp! (Unless you mean that summer school thing) (you do mean camping and swimming and fishing and stuff, right?)

[Loslote]

What the heck is it with camp?!? Why is everyone leaving? Am I missing something? I've never been to a camp! (Unless you mean that summer school thing) (you do mean camping and swimming and fishing and stuff, right?)

Nah, I think both of us are going to bible camps (different ones, sadly. :( ).

[Paranoia]

I am ahead of you; I can do a small game yes, and I think it'd work better for me if I did do a small one.

[satansaloser2005]

I think Paranoia was ahead of me, wasn't he?

Derp. You're right, sorry. Brain=dead.

[Glirdan]

I am ahead of you; I can do a small game yes, and I think it'd work better for me if I did do a small one.

Then by all means, jump ahead of me this round!! Still have tweaking with mine to do and like I said, it's a big game :rolleyes:

[Paranoia]

Alright. My Admin thread will be up around 7 PM tonight then. It'll give me time to tweak stuff and work on the opening narration. Things should be interesting with what I have planned though.

[Paranoia]

Back; thread shall go up soonish.

[ttolliver7]

Well, I would like to play... it looks like it is too late to sign up though. Is it?

[Inziladun]

Well, I would like to play... it looks like it is too late to sign up though. Is it?

It is too late to sign up for the current game, you're correct. But keep an eye out in the next few weeks for the start of the next one. A new Admin Thread going up will be what to watch for.
And welcome to the Downs!

[Rikae]

So - there's been some talk about creating a requirement that all would-be mods play a minimum number of games before modding, to ensure that they are sufficiently familiar with Barrdowdowns WW...

I'm all for it. What say you?

[Inziladun]

So - there's been some talk about creating a requirement that all would-be mods play a minimum number of games before modding, to ensure that they are sufficiently familiar with Barrdowdowns WW...

I'm all for it. What say you?

I think that's reasonable. I was, I think, scheduled to mod after Glirdan and I've done 15. Is that sufficient?

[Boromir88]

So - there's been some talk about creating a requirement that all would-be mods play a minimum number of games before modding, to ensure that they are sufficiently familiar with Barrdowdowns WW...

I'm all for it. What say you?

I agree. We might want to go with a set amount, but I also remember for new players that wanted to mod a game, they'd be in a few, learn a bit, but also have an experienced player co-mod, simply to help with rules and the "house-keeping" part of the game. There's much more work involved then writing good narrations. This is how Glirdan suckered me into co-modding his first modded game (I'm surprised my memory is that good!). :p

So, I think a 5-6 game requirement is good, but if there is a new player, who would like to mod (but hasn't reached that requirement) perhaps we can add the caveat they have an experienced player co-mod?

BG, if you want to continue on and mod the next game, I would suggest a co-mod. What I remember from helping Glirdan's first modded game, is he set up the theme, the roles, did the narrations. That will be all for you, and the co-mod will just be there to help you with the rules, and general management part of the game (or to close/open the day and night phases if there are days you can't be on-line at the DL). This way the game keeps rolling smoothly, and there is someone to help you, because like I said there's much more to it than writing narrations and picking roles. That's the fun stuff. :p

I would be more than happy to co-mod for ya, all you have to do is ask.

[satansaloser2005]

Wow. I just....wow. I'm sorry, but I've been (and will be) gone. Can someone please fairly and without bias of any kind explain to me what happened in Paranoia's game?


Also, Rikae, I'm starting up that thread we talked about shortly. (I'm in a planning meeting with another member of camp staff and happened to check the Downs.) I think it really needs to be covered, especially given the current....situation?

*goes to post, gives everyone hugs and calming teas and things*

[satansaloser2005]

Also, with all due respect, I don't think BG is remotely ready to mod. I'm sorry, dear, but if you're going to mod I won't even consider playing at this point, because you don't yet understand many of the basic concepts of Werewolf. Once you have a grip on when you're allowed to post and possess an understanding of proper Werewolf behaviors and procedures (in addition to those of the Downs in general) I may be happy to play in your game, but right now I can't in good conscience back you up for a modding position. You're not ready.

[Inziladun]

Wow. I just....wow. I'm sorry, but I've been (and will be) gone. Can someone please fairly and without bias of any kind explain to me what happened in Paranoia's game?

I only know what I've read, but it appears that some rules were secretly altered, and at least one player's role was revealed to another active player, without that revealment being the result of a game rule.

[Blind Guardian]

I agree. We might want to go with a set amount, but I also remember for new players that wanted to mod a game, they'd be in a few, learn a bit, but also have an experienced player co-mod, simply to help with rules and the "house-keeping" part of the game. There's much more work involved then writing good narrations. This is how Glirdan suckered me into co-modding his first modded game (I'm surprised my memory is that good!). :p

So, I think a 5-6 game requirement is good, but if there is a new player, who would like to mod (but hasn't reached that requirement) perhaps we can add the caveat they have an experienced player co-mod?

BG, if you want to continue on and mod the next game, I would suggest a co-mod. What I remember from helping Glirdan's first modded game, is he set up the theme, the roles, did the narrations. That will be all for you, and the co-mod will just be there to help you with the rules, and general management part of the game (or to close/open the day and night phases if there are days you can't be on-line at the DL). This way the game keeps rolling smoothly, and there is someone to help you, because like I said there's much more to it than writing narrations and picking roles. That's the fun stuff. :p

I would be more than happy to co-mod for ya, all you have to do is ask.

please? If it's okay I would like to mod. I for one disagree with Noia telling another player a gifteds role. I have played 2 1/2 games. If you think that's too little I can write up how my game would go and send it to you. (Ie whoever wants it.) You can read over it and send it back with any comments you have, good or bad, I don't care, I learn from my mistakes :) Though at the moment I can write anything up because I'm busy. Maybe in a hour or two I can start. Also, I haven't noticed if Noia came back.

Edit: just read the other thread. I was thinking of a total lotr based game! Orcs infesting a village of Rohan! (yeah, I just watched two towers)


Edit2: that's okay. I can wait to mod.

[Glirdan]

Usually I would have no say on this matter, but I am actually quite irritated. I completely agree with Boro and Rikae. I remember when I modded my first game, I had played at least five or six so I was familiar with it, but I still had Boro around to help me out and it turned out to be a pretty decent game for my first one. So I think that five or six games is more then reasonable.

[satansaloser2005]

I only know what I've read, but it appears that some rules were secretly altered, and at least one player's role was revealed to another active player, without that revealment being the result of a game rule.

So not like me giving you people cookies? 'Cause you know I've done that before, but it was because the player completed a task (or greatly amused me). Without reason or warning, I don't think that's proper game practice, alas. I would of course want to hear Paranoia's thoughts too, because it's not fair to pass judgement without knowing if he had any particular reasons or whims.

[Glirdan]

BG, I mean this in no offense whatsoever, but I would much rather wait to play in a game that you're modding. I have now played in two games where something went wrong in the game due to mods....well, to put it plainly, not knowing any better. What I mean to say is that they haven't had the amount of experience playing the games to fully understand all the rules of WW. So, I would much rather wait for you to mod and see what kind of game you can run after you've had the experience.

[Blind Guardian]

Yeah, that was my edit2. I don't mind waiting. Just remember that I do want to mod!

[Brinniel]

Okay, I haven't been much on the Downs lately, but I heard about what was happening and wanted to give some input.

First off, I mentioned elsewhere that there should be a 6 game minimum, and I stand by it. Each WW game can play out so differently (especially when it's experimental), so only a couple games will not get you the experience needed to fully understand the concept and how everything works particularly on this site. Blind Guardian, I do think you should wait until you've played a few more games before modding. Nothing against you...I've never even actually played with you, but I don't think you have enough experience. And anyway, it doesn't look like you're on the top of the list.

We need more organisation. So the list...

Alona
Glirdan
Lommy (won't be able to mod until mid-August, feel free to skip until then)
Zil

I think the rule was only four on the list at a time, so perhaps we should keep it at that. Unless we want to pull it up to five, but no more than that. Alona has been MIA for a long time, and unless she plans on modding soon, I think she should be taken off the list. Does anyone want to contact her about it? Glirdan, you've also passed several times...are you ready to mod next, or is there a particular time period you would like to reserve? Lommy wanted to mod around mid-August, so I think we should give her the next game around that time frame. I know we all get busy with RL, so I can understand being on the list and passing a couple times. But if you think you may need to pass more than that, I think it's probably a good idea to either reserve a month that you know you can commit to or not sign up at all. It would prevent someone from floating on the top of a list too long and taking up one of the 4 (or 5) available spaces, and also make things easier for those lower on the list who may not yet be fully prepared.

One last comment I want to make is that we've had too many experimental games. Don't get me wrong, experimental games are a lot of fun. But there should be an even balance of traditional and experimental games which it doesn't seem like there has been lately...correct me if I'm wrong on this, I realise I haven't played a lot of games this season. I would say a game with wolves, ordos, a hunter, ranger, seer, and cobbler (with no unusual twists) could be accepted as traditional. Though if we wanted to be truly traditional, there would be no hunter or cobbler....and maybe not even a seer. I don't know if there's a way we can create a balanced system like that...perhaps those who sign up for the mod list could state whether their game is experimental or traditional, it would help. Just a thought...

[Gwathagor]

Thanks for being a good sport, Blind Guardian.

[Blind Guardian]

Not counting noias game, if I play every game I can probably mod after Lottie. Sound good?

Your welcome

[Inziladun]

One last comment I want to make is that we've had too many experimental games. Don't get me wrong, experimental games are a lot of fun. But there should be an even balance of traditional and experimental games which it doesn't seem like there has been lately...correct me if I'm wrong on this, I realise I haven't played a lot of games this season. I would say a game with wolves, ordos, a hunter, ranger, seer, and cobbler (with no unusual twists) could be accepted as traditional. Though if we wanted to be truly traditional, there would be no hunter or cobbler....and maybe not even a seer. I don't know if there's a way we can create a balanced system like that...perhaps those who sign up for the mod list could state whether their game is experimental or traditional, it would help. Just a thought...

I can assure everyone that what I have in mind is quite traditional. I don't mind something off the beaten path every now and then, but every game having secret roles and strange plot twists is simply too much for my poor, overwhelmed mind to handle. ;)

[Pitchwife]

I've followed the current game with one eye, but as a non-player I'm not going to comment on the present situation beyond seconding what sally said last - i.e. common courtesy if not fairness would dictate to hear Noia before you jump to any conclusions.

Btw sally, I don't quite remember - did you give that kind of 'cookies' to living players as well or only the dead? The latter of course doesn't harm anybody in my opinion; not so sure about the former.

On general matters, I think a minimum of 5-6 games played before your modding debut is only sensible. There can always be exceptions, of course - e.g. I remember Morsul did a competent modding job after having played 2-3 games or something like that, but as a general rule it should be considered. And having a co-mod is never a bad idea, regardless of the mod's experience, just so that somebody can take over if life or the unpredictable demons of the internet throw something unexpected at you.
If you think that's too little I can write up how my game would go and send it to you. (Ie whoever wants it.) You can read over it and send it back with any comments you have, good or bad, I don't care, I learn from my mistakes
That's a very good idea, to consult with an experienced player about your ideas for your first modded game. Actually, I've been ruminating about a game of my own for a while now, and I've already decided to do exactly that before throwing my hat into the ring.
Another good idea for first-time mods (except veterans who somehow just never got around to modding one for whatever reasons, like e.g. Nerwen before the last game) might be to first try their hands on a simple traditional game before venturing for something more experimental.

Finally, sally and Rikae, about that thread you're planning to start, are you thinking of something like this (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=14407)? I discovered that old thread of Nogrod's yesterday while browsing through some older games and immediately thought we should have a second edition of it after what went on in the last game. Anyway, it's a thought-provoking read, and some of the questions raised in it are obviously still up to date.

[Macalaure]

Wow. I just....wow. I'm sorry, but I've been (and will be) gone. Can someone please fairly and without bias of any kind explain to me what happened in Paranoia's game?

I've read the pms Rikae sent and received, so I guess I'm closest to both informed and unbiased. I'll try my best.

It started at the end of Day2. Paranoia is used to count votes up to the deadline, but not right at the deadline, so my vote, which was going to decide a tie, was not counted. Nobody knew about this rule, so we all assumed things would be counted as usual. This caused some minor complaints on the admin thread, but nothing serious. More problematic was that he also revealed the role of the lynched player, but not who the lynched player was (we now had a tie)! This mistake still hasn't been corrected. Also, the narration indicated that on each Day, a wolf had been voted for.

Wolf-Rikae complained about all this in a pm to the mod and received a problematic reply. Paranoia tried to cheer her up quite elaborately (Rikae was not in need of cheer, but in need of having her complaints be dealt with, so she was a bit annoyed) and in the course of it, he revealed a gifted's role to her (not saying any more than that, since the game is still officially going on). To be fair, he did clear up the narration-thing to her. However, what he also brought up was that he counted cobblers among the baddies, so a village with f.ex. 2 wolves, a cobbler, and 3 innocents would be a losing one, not one on its last Day. All of this clarification appeared only in the pm reply, not on the (admin-) thread.

With the extra knowledge about the gifted, Rikae had no choice but to drop out in order to keep the game fair. Boro and I followed. Paranoia has been missing since the pm to Rikae (I'm not sure whether he even knows about her dropping out). We should be playing Day3 right at this moment.

[wilwarin538]

I obviously completely agree with the new rule about Mods needing to play a certain amount of games first (I'm the one that brought it up to Rikae, and I'm glad to see it's been agreed upon). I think 5/6 games is a good amount.

I also think Brinn's idea about the traditional/experimental thing is good. We could alternate between the two and people should state which they are planning on doing when they sign up. Try to keep some sort of balance so that things don't get out of hand.

I think it'd also be a good idea to go a step further: that first time mods can only do a traditional game, and experimental ones should be left to those who have modded in the past (or at least who have played in a lot of games, like way more than just 6).

Oh, and I also like Boro's co-mod idea for new mods (especially if the new mods game ends up being really big).

[Glirdan]

I think it'd also be a good idea to go a step further: that first time mods can only do a traditional game, and experimental ones should be left to those who have modded in the past (or at least who have played in a lot of games, like way more than just 6).

I completely agree with this...

And since we're on the topic of it, mine's definitely experimental and is a rather large game. So in answer to your question Brinn, I'm more or less waiting for a time when there will be about 19 people available to play. :rolleyes:

[Pitchwife]

Though if we wanted to be truly traditional, there would be no hunter or cobbler....and maybe not even a seer.
D'accord about the Hunter and Cobbler, but I think a Seer's the absolute minimum of gifteds we ever had, and I don't see how that role could be dispensed with while still balancing the wolves' advantage of knowledge over the innocents... Might be interesting to have a game with a Seer and no Ranger, though, which would make the Seer think twice or thrice about revealing early... Hmmm...

Generally, I've played in a number of highly experimental games including anything from secret roles to unexpected special events (*cough*Legate's last one*cough*) or both; all of them were competently handled by the respective mod and great fun to play, I'd regret to have missed any of them and would highly regret not having anything like them in the near future. (Come to think of it, the most 'traditional' game in terms of roles'n'rules I've played up to now probably was my first one, Mnemo's Cottage of Lost Play.) On the other hand, I've recently noticed a tendency among mods to outdo each other in terms of experimentality (what I've called the Special Rules Arms Race;)) - which isn't bad in itself, but could give newcomers who haven't seen anything else a skew idea of what a regular BD WW game is supposed to be like, conveying a false notion that 'anything goes'. So maybe a sort of SALT/START agreement for two or three games could be a good idea?

I think it'd also be a good idea to go a step further: that first time mods can only do a traditional game, and experimental ones should be left to those who have modded in the past (or at least who have played in a lot of games, like way more than just 6).
I've more or less suggested as much above, but I'm reluctant about making it a hard & fast rule - meaning it very much depends on the personality of the mod; e.g. Eönwë's first game (The Night Guard, no idea how many games he'd played before that) featured a highly innovative game design, but was very competently handled. But it would certainly be a good idea to have any mod candidate state what general kind of game they're intending to run so it can be discussed on this thread before they're starting their respective Admin Thread (on which the details can and should be discussed).

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by wilwa
I think it'd also be a good idea to go a step further: that first time mods can only do a traditional game, and experimental ones should be left to those who have modded in the past (or at least who have played in a lot of games, like way more than just 6).
I've more or less suggested as much above, but I'm reluctant about making it a hard & fast rule - meaning it very much depends on the personality of the mod; e.g. Eönwë's first game (The Night Guard, no idea how many games he'd played before that) featured a highly innovative game design, but was very competently handled.
I wouldn't want to get too strict about that either– there's been quite a number of successful experimental games run by a newbie.

I agree it might be good to run some more traditional games for a while, if only so newbies can learn the ropes. Also, to put up the "WW FAQ" sticky thread that's been proposed from time to time, but never created.

[Blind Guardian]

@nerwens post

I was thinking of an Official Rules thread. Can I start it?

[Inziladun]

I was thinking of an Official Rules thread. Can I start it?

Since mormegil is the mod of the parent forum, Middle-earth Mirth, I wonder if he shouldn't be the one to handle it. At any rate, it would take a mod to make the thread sticky.

[Blind Guardian]

Oh okay, go ahead. Can I start typing it up?

[Nerwen]

Oh okay, go ahead. Can I start typing it up?

Look, no offence, BeiGe, but I think that would be best left to the vetarans. What I think is most needed is a clear statement of what the basic rules are, as played here– and you haven't played in a standard game yet.

[Brinniel]

Not counting noias game, if I play every game I can probably mod after Lottie. Sound good?
Do you mean Lommy? If you played in every mod's game on that list, then theoretically you would be eligible to mod after Inzil (since he signed up first). But first let's just try to sort out the issues at hand before making anything official.

I think it'd also be a good idea to go a step further: that first time mods can only do a traditional game, and experimental ones should be left to those who have modded in the past (or at least who have played in a lot of games, like way more than just 6).
That's a good idea, though I do agree with Pitch that it should be a looser rule. I think experienced players (depending on the person) would be able to handle an experimental game, even if it's their first. It's been successful many times before.

And since we're on the topic of it, mine's definitely experimental and is a rather large game. So in answer to your question Brinn, I'm more or less waiting for a time when there will be about 19 people available to play.
Since Inzil wants to do a traditional game, perhaps you could switch places with him? Though maybe we should first figure out whether alona is going to mod at all before making any actual decisions.

D'accord about the Hunter and Cobbler, but I think a Seer's the absolute minimum of gifteds we ever had, and I don't see how that role could be dispensed with while still balancing the wolves' advantage of knowledge over the innocents...
I didn't say I agree with having no seer, but there are still traditionalists around who might prefer it. Having only a ranger for a gifted is just about as basic of a game you can get. It's a good formula if it's only a very small game that's being played, which rarely happens here.

And yeah, having a mod around to help organise things and set up some official guidelines would probably be the best thing right now. If there's an actual list of guidelines/rules, it'll be easier to follow them. And newbies will know better what they're getting into. That goes for not only rules for who is modding, but general gameplay too. We've had issues with that as well, and while experienced players already know what is frowned upon and generally not allowed, the newbies don't. Making a sticky about general gameplay and rules would be really good to have and helpful for everyone involved.

[mormegil]

Boromir, apprised me of the situation; thank you sir. I don't normally dip into this thread as it usually runs fairly smooth. I am trying to get caught up on what is going on. However I do feel at this point with so many players and so many that have enough experience a minimum of 5 games should be played prior to modding.

I would like to see some changes potentially to the modding list and how that is managed too. I have been rather laissez-faire in my approach and it has worked but I wonder if some guidelines there would be helpful too. The only guideline we have ever established was to limit the number on the list to 4 that was to make it so it wouldn't get out of control. If people are signing up and continue to hold or pass on their turn this creates problems. Glirdan it seems that this is happening currently but rest assured you are not targeted as I've seen it before. The problems arise because those who are behind them are not planning on modding for a few weeks at the soonest and suddenly their turn is thrust upon them. Would something like if you are unable to make your turn you are off the list be reasonable?

As far as a FAQ or General Rules and Guidelines, I would be happy to have a sticky (closed?) thread for it but I would request somebody step forward to help me write it (by help me write it I am basically asking you to write the whole thing. I have been far too busy with work and my Masters program to spend much time here...on a side note I hope to make some time for a WW venture in the coming months but we will see). Possibly a group of veteran players get together and come up with a list or post and with some general consensus I will gladly post it.

You can send me PMs as I do stop by the Downs daily but don't dive into all threads.

[mormegil]

A side note and something for the group to consider if we do a General Guidelines. I will post it so that it says something like "READ BEFORE PLAYING WW'. As such, I think somewhere in the middle of the thread or near the bottom we should put a sentence indicating that they need to say a certain phrase indicating that they have read the post otherwise they will not be accepted. I believe it important for new players to read and understand the guidelines/rules before signing up.

[Morsul the Dark]

True, I think I had a fairly experimental game that was pretty good... it Was tough though. And that was after 3 games... But I think one needs to have played a few games and also shown an interest beyond a passing fancy... Modding is a big commitment.

Also:

Wow did I miss some drama yesterday!

[wilwarin538]

I am definitely willing to help make the list of rules.

[Macalaure]

Maybe we should create a thread to collect and discuss the rules we want to put down? (With a minimum number of games played to participate?)

[mormegil]

Maybe we should create a thread to collect and discuss the rules we want to put down? (With a minimum number of games played to participate?)

Good idea Mac. Please see here (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=16653)

[Inziladun]

Since Inzil wants to do a traditional game, perhaps you could switch places with him? Though maybe we should first figure out whether alona is going to mod at all before making any actual decisions.

If alona can't be reached and Glirdan wants to wait for a time when more people would be able to play, I could go next. It will have a Tolkien connection. ;)
It would be at least a week before I could start though, as I'm scheduled to be out of town for a work-related conference beginning next Monday.
Then again, maybe a new game ought to wait until the general WW guide gets hashed out fully on the other thread.

[mormegil]

Then again, maybe a new game ought to wait until the general WW guide gets hashed out fully on the other thread.

I don't see that it needs to wait. I think this general guidelines may take a few days at least so there is no reason to postpone a game.

[Glirdan]

So I'm wondering. I've been keeping up with the general rules thread that's been started (would have posted something but everything I had thought of was already said....that's what you get for not going on the computer once a day :rolleyes: ) and it seems like it has now just boiled down.

Do we want to start another game up? Or do we want to give it some time? Because I SHOULD be able to go by, oh, let's say Sunday or Monday? I'll leave it up to you guys.

[Inziladun]

Do we want to start another game up? Or do we want to give it some time? Because I SHOULD be able to go by, oh, let's say Sunday or Monday? I'll leave it up to you guys.

I could go for another one now. It's been long enough. I initially thought I would need to sit yours out, but the unfinished nature of the last game has me wanting to play.

[Kath]

If Glirdan's modding, I'm playing. :) Just saying, 'cause I'll forget to say otherwise, and it's important!

[Mithalwen]

For what little my opinion's worth, I can't see it being a problem - you are not exactly an unknown quantity but a Downer of long standing as well as a ww player and surely have the nous and fund of goodwill necessary to deal with any issues arising.

[mormegil]

Do we want to start another game up? Or do we want to give it some time? Because I SHOULD be able to go by, oh, let's say Sunday or Monday? I'll leave it up to you guys.

I already gave my opinion that no more time is needed and another game can be formed at any time.

[wilwarin538]

Glirdy will likely be putting up his admin thread after he recovers from all his birthday celebrating. I sign up in advance, clearly. :D

[Glirdan]

Oy vey. Sorry I haven't really been around, it's been a really hectic week for me. So, just have to do some finishing touches and stuff, I'll have the admin thread up at some point today.

[Thinlómien]

Just letting you guys know I will be able to mod in late August/September like I said would, but I'm not sure about the exact timing, because Legate and a few of his friends are coming to Finland sometime then to and I'd rather not mod a game while he's here... :) As soon as they tell me when they're coming I can tell you when I can mod.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Nienna has had an utterly brilliant suggestion of a game premise she would like me to assist her with. So at whichever point she can end up on the mod list, that would be most delightful.

[Keeper of Dol Guldur]

Nienna has had an utterly brilliant suggestion of a game premise she would like me to assist her with. So at whichever point she can end up on the mod list, that would be most delightful.

I wants! Oodles and oodles of wants! :D

[Rikae]

I've had an experimental (but Tolkien related) game in mind for a while, but I'd need to mod when school's out, so would it be possible to reserve January?
To those who might remember, this will be the afterlife-game I mentioned elsewhere, where the dead have their own part to play - so roles won't usually be revealed at death.

[satansaloser2005]

I've had an experimental (but Tolkien related) game in mind for a while, but I'd need to mod when school's out, so would it be possible to reserve January?
To those who might remember, this will be the afterlife-game I mentioned elsewhere, where the dead have their own part to play - so roles won't usually be revealed at death.

*drools* Yes, please.


ETA: So is Lommie next? Or Dun? The thread got all crazy there for a while so I'm not sure if that's where we are or not.

[Thinlómien]

I will receive my health-maintaining dose of Legate :p in the weekend of next week and he'll be here for about two weeks and I don't want to mod then. Thereby I'd prefer to have my modding turn starting around September 12th or a bit later. Which would mean Zil going next if that's ok for him and I think someone else going before me too. Volunteers? Alona? Nienna? Someone else?

[satansaloser2005]

I think Alona died (figuratively speaking, of course). Haven't heard from her on here in months. :(

*pokes Nienna and Dun with sharp sticks*

[Inziladun]

I don't remember if I was after Glirdan, or it was Nienna. I think I could have something up for a basic game by the end of the week though.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I don't remember if I was after Glirdan, or it was Nienna. I think I could have something up for a basic game by the end of the week though.

Ni is currently in Canada and will be unavailable for a while. I haven't heard from Alona in real life in months either, so Zil, I think you should take the reins.

[satansaloser2005]

Ni is currently in Canada and will be unavailable for a while. I haven't heard from Alona in real life in months either, so Zil, I think you should take the reins.

I think you mean the reign. ;)

All hail Dun, great and merciful mod. *bows*

[Thinlómien]

I spammed Alona on Facebook and she said

I would love to [mod], but school starts up for me tomorrow and I'm working 5 days a week...I think I'm gonna have to pass until Thanksgiving break for now... :(

And now I'm going to nudge her to come and post that (or something else) here herself. ;)

Fea, do you think Ni could mod after Zil so sometime in early(-ish) September? Or do we need a new volunteer?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I think you mean the reign. ;)

All hail Dun, great and merciful mod. *bows*

It would be the reign if I meant that WW was something in need of a king or queen. Since I was thinking of it instead as a bucking wild horse, I was definitely within my rights to halter it and wish Zil good luck. :p

Lommy: I'll see if Ni wants to do that mildly nontraditional game she thought up next. Since I was going to be assisting anyway, even if she's a little busy at the onset it should work out.

[Folwren]

How many games does one have to play before being qualified to mod one? I'd be interested in modding one sometime or other in the future, eventually. Long enough in the future that I will have time to play a couple more before then.

-- Foley

[Glirdan]

How many games does one have to play before being qualified to mod one? I'd be interested in modding one sometime or other in the future, eventually. Long enough in the future that I will have time to play a couple more before then.

-- Foley

Well, you know Foley, even though SOME things may have changed since you last played, there are other members who have been around for awhile(ie. Rikae, Mac, Wilwa, myself and a few others) that know you and you're playing abilities.

I would not be opposed to adding Foley to the list. Anybody disagree??

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I have a great deal of faith in Foley (and always have in each thing she does), and if she feels overwhelmed, I volunteer to act as a sort of modgod-mentor for her to bounce ideas and issues off of.

[Thinlómien]

Foley, we know you have played several games and I'm thrilled to see a game modded by you - the narrations must be awesome! :) And if you distrust Fea as a co-mod feel free to ask me... :p

Modding list
Inzil (admin thread up)
someone - possibly Nienna?
Lommy
(Nienna if she didn't mod earlier)
---
Rikae in January
Folwren...?

I took Alona off the list, her time has kind of expired so if she wants to mod again she can sign up again. :)

[satansaloser2005]

I've only played with Foley the once, but I know she's been here for ages. I don't see a problem with her modding, and in fact I'm excited to play in her game. :)



Also, I would so love to mod in December/early January. It's not a personal time thing so much as a game theme thing, so I'm certainly flexible, but that's my preference. So if there's a hole in there somewhere when it comes closer I'd love to fill it. :D

[Nienna]

So as Fea and I both are going to be out of town for the entirety of the Labor Day weekend (Sept 2-6ish) I think it would be best if Lommy hosts her game first and then Fea and I can start up once that is finished. :D

[Thinlómien]

I can go next but then the game won't start before September 13th (admin thread can be up much earlier of course).

Thus, I recommend somebody taking the next spot ex tempore. It's fun. :D

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I can go next but then the game won't start before September 13th (admin thread can be up much earlier of course).

That's funny. We could be up and running by like... the sixth or seventh. Technically we could be up and running the 5th if needed, but it might be a slightly rocky first couple deadlines. Then again, the nature of the games, that wouldn't be so bad...

So maybe we should put it as, if the current game ends swiftly, and anybody can get started immediately, they should go ahead of us, but otherwise Ni and I will just go for it?

[Thinlómien]

That's funny. We could be up and running by like... the sixth or seventh. Technically we could be up and running the 5th if needed, but it might be a slightly rocky first couple deadlines. Then again, the nature of the games, that wouldn't be so bad...
Given that today is the 26th (right?) I think starting around the 6th should be perfectly fine... (but I have to admit I haven't been following the current game.)

So maybe we should put it as, if the current game ends swiftly, and anybody can get started immediately, they should go ahead of us, but otherwise Ni and I will just go for it?Sounds like a plan. :)

PS. If sombody else mods before you, you can go before me if you want to because a) I have given everybody such a headache with not being able to mod and b) I'm not any more busy later in September. So whatever suits you the best! :)

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Given that today is the 26th (right?) I think starting around the 6th should be perfectly fine... (but I have to admit I haven't been following the current game.)

As we're working out the details of the game now, while we have time, we should have it more or less ready to go before either of us leave next weekend, and then one of us (probably me depending on when Ni will be returning) will send out roles and get things started. You know, provided that this game has ended, and recruitment is quick, etcetera etcetera.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Hello folks. I'm planning on posting up the game thread for Ni and my game either tonight or tomorrow. Once it's up, sign-ups are open. Once we have at least 15 people, we'll get started.

[Glirdan]

So I don't know if I'll be able to play in any more games for awhile due to work and sleep schedule conflicts ( :rolleyes: ) and the possibility of me being in a community theater production (which my audition for is tomorrow :D ) starting in the next week or so.

[Thinlómien]

Since Fea and Nienna's glorious game just ended, mine will be up next. It will involve most probably a basic full cast (wolves, seer, ranger, hunter and cobbler) and you will be Nargothrondian Elves in the dungeons of Tol-in-Gaurhoth. Admin thread will be up in a few days (tomorrow?)...

Anyway, I'm here not to just advertise my game, but also point out our severe lack of mods. There's no one in the line after me! (Or, there is Rikae who wants to mod in January and Folwren who wants to mod "when she has enough experience".)

So, we need mods. Any volunteers? Foley feeling prepared enough to take the spot after me?

And I would say that in a case like this if there is a volunteering mod and he/she hasn't officially played enough games or has modded too recently, we ignore those "rules". I'd call them guidelines, anyway. ;)

[Boromir88]

So, we need mods. Any volunteers? Foley feeling prepared enough to take the spot after me?


Well I've been thinking about doing another game, but not completely sure whether I want to go for a more complicated/experimental game or the standard. By complicated, I mean trying out some modified roles. The theme is lovably Tolkien related, set in Bree when the Rangers have left. :)

I would still need at least a week or two to figure it all out, and also this would mean I would need to sit out of your game Lommy. :( I need a bit more time off.

[wilwarin538]

Well, Glirdy and I would like to Mod together, but he just just modded so we'd have to wait for a while (and we don't have any details worked out), but eventually we will be interested. And we're aiming for epicness. ;)

[Boromir88]

Well, Glirdy and I would like to Mod together, but he just just modded so we'd have to wait for a while (and we don't have any details worked out), but eventually we will be interested. And we're aiming for epicness. ;)

Well for the most part I've got the premise down and the roles will pretty standard (normal wolves, and at least normal seer and ranger). But I'm planning on doing something similar to what you did with the Grimm Tales, and just take a few LOTR characters to have some kind of minor role. (Only not as many).

Like I really want Bill Ferney and Harry Goatleaf as cobblers (and add a bit more than just normal cobblers). As well as a Butterbur who is on the innocents side, and if killed by the wolves, his ale is so deliciously tasty, the wolves are unable to transform and make a kill the next night. :D

Plus possibly a few others, I just don't want to have it be completely out of balance also, if I were to do it after Lommy's game I would probably need a co-mod.

[Glirdan]

Well, Glirdy and I would like to Mod together, but he just just modded so we'd have to wait for a while (and we don't have any details worked out), but eventually we will be interested. And we're aiming for epicness. ;)


Throwing this out there, if we have no one to mod after Boro has gone, perhaps Wilwa and I should start working out the details now as a "just en cas" scenario.

I know with the new rules and regulations that we have all come to agree upon that I should not be going, but I will not be having full control of the game.

It's up to you guys.

[satansaloser2005]

Ahem. I'd said a while back that I'd like to be in the mod queue again.

That being said, I'd like to put myself last on whatever queue we may line up in the next few days, as my game is going to take loads of preparation and my internets have been rather shoddy of late anyway.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I can host at any time, if we're in dire need. Just say the word.

[Nogrod]

I might also be willing to give modding a shot one day.

I've been modding a few games during the years so I'm in no great hurry as long as there are players who haven't yet modded or who have modded only once or a long-long time ago... But just to inform you: maybe once again I could take the job. :)

[Glirdan]

Okay, so we have potentially (in no order whatsoever with the exception of my sallycakes)

Boro
Wilwa and myself
Nog
Shasta
Sally

So, who's going to go after Lommykins?

[satansaloser2005]

I might also be willing to give modding a shot one day.

I've been modding a few games during the years so I'm in no great hurry as long as there are players who haven't yet modded or who have modded only once or a long-long time ago... But just to inform you: maybe once again I could take the job. :)

Oooo! *bats eyelashes* Can this mean more Dueling Wizards? :Merisu:

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Obviously since I just finished a game, I shouldn't even raise my hand, but I've had a game of my own in mind since before Ni recruited me to be the face and illustrator of her game.

It's experimental in nature, but with a very simple premise. Just wolves, villagers, and a seer, with possibly another role or two to keep it balanced based on the experimental part. I'm in no big hurry, but I would definitely like to mod my own premise some time in the not horribly distant future.

[Folwren]

No, I'm not ready to mod a game. I haven't thought of any plot or place or anything, and I don't have time to think of anything, even if I did have time to mod it, which I don't.

So, I'll just wait for now. Thanks for asking, though.

-- Foley

[Eönwë]

I also have an experimental yet Tolkien-themed game in mind, but I need to sort out the details before I can be any more specific.

[Boromir88]

So, who's going to go after Lommykins?

After sorting out things with a few open ears yesterday, I'm ready to go with a game, and have modded one so far, back in December. If anyone hasn't modded a game yet (who can and has one ready), go ahead after Lommy. If not, I'm ready to do another one. :)

[wilwarin538]

I'm ready to go with a game, and have modded one so far, back in December.

Actually dear, your fantastic game (that I won ;) ) was August 2009, so you're definitely due to Mod another one. :)

[Nogrod]

Oooo! *bats eyelashes* Can this mean more Dueling Wizards? :Merisu:Heh... well, it's quite a unique game. We've had two so far I think, one by lmp and one by me, and I think the next one doing it should be a different person just to spread that fun. Although anyone considering of doing it should be aware beforehand that it is actually quite time-consuming and requires the mod to be able to hold quite a web of threads together... so it's not the simplest of tasks.

But it's been some time the last Dueling Wizards was played and we have I think a host of players now active that haver never had a chance to play it, so why not in some not so distant future once again?

To those who have never checked the marvellous concept of Dueling Wizards, here's (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=14849) the last one (it has the participant list and full rules after the prologue post).

I'm quite ready to mod a conventional kind of game or a more experimental one, whatever the general feeling is that people wish to play when it comes to my turn.

[Thinlómien]

My admin thread (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=16861) is up now, please sign up! ;)

[Boromir88]

Since Lommy's game is winding down I should have my admin thread and open the sign-ups sometime late tonight. If not than early tomorrow morning (ohh the love of NEOEA day :D)

Set in Bree and Fea's agreed to do the day lynch narrations in the style of the drawings from her game for me. Don't wanna miss!

[satansaloser2005]

Though it's not my turn yet, for my game to run properly I'll need a solid co-mod who is an experienced (read, veteran) Werewolf player. The veteran part is important, as the game will deal with various events in BD WW history. There will be (as always!) twists and turns and my co-mod will hopefully be able to help me fine tune some aspects of the game. If you're interested, please PM me. Thanks! :)

~~Sally~~

[Thinlómien]

So, who's next?

Wilwa and Glirdy? Nog? Sally? Shasta?

Sallycakes, I would otherwise volunteer for being a co-mod, but I think you'd do better with a co-mod who can help you in posting narrations etc in case you don't happen to be here around the DL and that won't be me with your dreadful US DLs. Anyway, in case now one else volunteers, feel free to poke me about it. :) (Also, I don't know about my schedules in the near future so volunteering might be a bit hazardous.)

PS. Wow this Uni browser/computer has spell check even when I write here!

[wilwarin538]

I don't think Glirdy and I are quite ready, I have the idea but I haven't started sorting out the details yet and he is really busy. We could probably go after whoever is next though. Tidbit: it will be Tolkien related and hopefully awesome.

[satansaloser2005]

So, who's next?

Wilwa and Glirdy? Nog? Sally? Shasta?

Sallycakes, I would otherwise volunteer for being a co-mod, but I think you'd do better with a co-mod who can help you in posting narrations etc in case you don't happen to be here around the DL and that won't be me with your dreadful US DLs. Anyway, in case now one else volunteers, feel free to poke me about it. :) (Also, I don't know about my schedules in the near future so volunteering might be a bit hazardous.)

PS. Wow this Uni browser/computer has spell check even when I write here!


For what it's worth, this DL will likely be European-friendly; I've gotten terribly old in the last few months and fancy going to bed earlier. I've been informed (:Merisu:) that Madame Fea will be my co-mod, but the more the merrier, so if you think you can't play I'd love a third pair of eyes on rules and roles and things. :)


Also, I can't possibly go next. With my co-mod being all deaded from thesis I've not planned everything out thoroughly, so I'd rather someone else go next.

[wilwarin538]

If nobody else can go now I *might* be able to put this together by next Monday. But if someone else could go first that would be ok.

[Nogrod]

If nobody else can go now I *might* be able to put this together by next Monday. But if someone else could go first that would be ok.I'd be happy if we went by the list, meaning that I would take not this one but the next one. I do have quite busy times for one and half weeks from now on, but it should get better after that. I'd hate to mod a game with my scheduals full.

[Thinlómien]

For what it's worth, this DL will likely be European-friendly; I've gotten terribly old in the last few months and fancy going to bed earlier. I've been informed (:Merisu:) that Madame Fea will be my co-mod, but the more the merrier, so if you think you can't play I'd love a third pair of eyes on rules and roles and things. :)Alright, we'll see when it's a more actual topic, because it would be fun to play too if I just have time... :)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I'm not sure what the current order is, but if needed, the earliest I can host is Wednesday, November 17th. :)

[Thinlómien]

I'm not sure what the current order is, but if needed, the earliest I can host is Wednesday, November 17th. :)If you can put the admin thread up earlier, I think you should go next. :) Seems like the others are a bit reluctant to take the next place...

[Shastanis Althreduin]

If you can put the admin thread up earlier, I think you should go next. :) Seems like the others are a bit reluctant to take the next place...

If Wilwa and Glirdan can't/need more time/are unable to, then certainly. Wilwa? Glirdan? Thoughts?

[wilwarin538]

I could potentially have the thread up on thursday, but if Shasta can go first that would be nice cause we still have stuff to work out and I'd hate to rush through it. But we will almost certainly be able to go after him.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I could potentially have the thread up on thursday, but if Shasta can go first that would be nice cause we still have stuff to work out and I'd hate to rush through it. But we will almost certainly be able to go after him.

Duly noted. Expect an admin thread in the next day or so.

[Folwren]

If I'm still on the list of potential mods, I can run a game anywhere between December 16 and the end of January, likely. School ends on the 16th, so that's pretty exciting. I'm way too busy to participate in anything now, though.

-- Foley

[Thinlómien]

So, Greenie and I went to see the newest Harry Potter movie yesterday. We totally cracked up when this trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM8V3cHdSC4) came up (hadn't seen it before!) Our mum was with us and she didn't get what was so funny - no wonder as she doesn't play ww. ;)

[Nerwen]

So, Greenie and I went to see the newest Harry Potter movie yesterday. We totally cracked up when this trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM8V3cHdSC4) came up (hadn't seen it before!) Our mum was with us and she didn't get what was so funny - no wonder as she doesn't play ww. ;)
Thanks. I bet I just cracked up at the very same line as you two did.

Actually, the film looks pretty hilarious in its own right.:D

[Inziladun]

Ha ha! I saw the HP movie a couple of weeks ago and I remember seeing that. I thought at the time that they ought to have consulted some experts like us on the particulars of wolvish hehaviour. :D

[Pitchwife]

Thanks. I bet I just cracked up at the very same line as you two did.
Can't imagine what that might have been...:D:D:D

[Gwathagor]

I saw the same trailer and had exactly the same reaction as you all.

[Eönwë]

We totally cracked up when this trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM8V3cHdSC4) came up (hadn't seen it before!)
Is it just me, or do Lovers make it all much more complicated? :p

[Nogrod]

The list we have is a bit confusing (go look at the previous page), but I think I'm not too much stretching it if I say it would be my turn now... :)

Anyway, we should consider the Christmas holidays eg. we probably shouldn't think of beginning a game before the holidays are over.

How are your scheduals? Should we try to begin the next one before the New Year - or should we postpone it to the beginning of January?

I was thinking about a fairly ordinary game for a change. I mean really, a basic game.

So what do you think?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I was thinking about a fairly ordinary game for a change. I mean really, a basic game.

So what do you think?

Hey Nog, did you ever do a philosophy-themed game? Perhaps I missed it. :)

Basic game sounds good and, to be honest, I can play anytime - holiday or no.

[elronds_daughter]

Basic game sounds good and, to be honest, I can play anytime - holiday or no.

Seconded. :)

[Mänwe]

Well it's been..oh at least two years since i've played- i'd be up for offering myself up as lupine fodder whenever it suits the majority.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well it's been..oh at least two years since i've played- i'd be up for offering myself up as lupine fodder whenever it suits the majority.

Hey, if this is not a wraith from the deep past - welcome back! Not sure if you remember me, but I remember you from my very first game (which was seemingly your last?). Anyway, great to see you around - hope to play with you sometime, while you are here...

That said, concerning the debate above, I probably won't be playing if any game is going on during the holiday, but after the New Year, maybe...

[Thinlómien]

Well it's been..oh at least two years since i've played- i'd be up for offering myself up as lupine fodder whenever it suits the majority.Cool! Welcome back. :)

[Macalaure]

[/lurk]

A basic game after Christmas? I'd like to be in! :)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

The holiday isn't going to matter much for me either. Sign me up whenever. :)

[Loslote]

I'm good for during or after the holidays. :D

[Kitanna]

I haven't been on in ages. I'm rusty. But I'd like to join in the next game if room is still available.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I haven't been on in ages. I'm rusty. But I'd like to join in the next game if room is still available.

Ooh, I know who I'm voting for. :p

[wilwarin538]

I'm in, next couple weeks are wide open for me, perfect time for a game!

[Nessa Telrunya]

I'm down for a game anytime. :)

[Nogrod]

So a basic game after Christmas? Starting the next week that is?

I'd say we go for that.

I'll come up with a thread for any discussions any day now (as I just come up with a name for the game).


So good to see unexpected veterans showing around! :cool:

[Nogrod]

Hey Nog, did you ever do a philosophy-themed game? Perhaps I missed it.Well we had this game of Psychotic Penguins (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=12872) with Lommy (the first one we ever modded) back in 2006 where I was responsible for the Night-kills. .. They did include "body and soul separated by Cartesian Dualism" and "brains exploded after entering a vicious regression concerning the possible infiniteness of self-reflective consciousness"


But yes, it wasn't actually a theme in a strong way... I'll try to come up with one this time. Maybe I'll make you all as famous philosophers and throw you in the Middle-Earth?

:D:rolleyes::p

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

But yes, it wasn't actually a theme in a strong way... I'll try to come up with one this time. Maybe I'll make you all as famous philosophers and throw you in the Middle-Earth?

No!!! Please don't do that, otherwise I'd be really really really really disappointed if I have to miss that one!!!

(I mean, just the very idea gets my brain spinning...)

[Pitchwife]

*raises hand and snaps his fingers*
Please, sir, me too!

I'll try to come up with one this time. Maybe I'll make you all as famous philosophers and throw you in the Middle-Earth?

:D:rolleyes::p
Rock'n'roll!

EDIT: x-ed with Legate, and in this case, I have to second his appeal - we can't do this without him!

[Nogrod]

No!!! Please don't do that, otherwise I'd be really really really really disappointed if I have to miss that one!!!Let's see if you guys could be able to join even if you're here Legate... :)

On general terms, it will take some days to get the "roster" full, especially as the holidays are coming, so I'd be surprised if we'd start anywhere like early next week. It will probably take around the New Year to start. And if people thought it a good idea we could make a a longer D/N -circle around the New Year to ease any New Year's partying. :D

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Well we had this game of Psychotic Penguins (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=12872) with Lommy (the first one we ever modded) back in 2006 where I was responsible for the Night-kills. .. They did include "body and soul separated by Cartesian Dualism" and "brains exploded after entering a vicious regression concerning the possible infiniteness of self-reflective consciousness"

YES!

It's not such a crazy idea. Did you ever see the list of 'philosophy deaths' that was going around the internet? My favourite was: Thales - drowned. :D

[Mänwe]

And if people thought it a good idea we could make a a longer D/N -circle around the New Year to ease any New Year's partying. :D

Well turns out i'll now be spending New Years in London and so won't be around the net from the 29th til the 5th, so count me out of any earlish starts!

@ Legate, Lómi, good to see you both again. :)

Legate, I remember you more for your other posts around the forum then that particularly WW game..it being my last (and first too!) was due to unpleasant circumstances!

[Nogrod]

The starting date will be decided when we have enough players, but I'll put you down in as a maybe for now... It would be fun to see you in a game after a long pause to be sure.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Legate, I remeber you more for your other posts around the forum then that particularly WW game..it being my last (and first too!) was due to unpleasant circumstances!

True, true, I remember you mostly from elsewhere too, but Werewolf-wise, since it was my first game, I still have you in fresh memory, even though it was rather short.

[Mänwe]

It was short..and I hope in the future I can reprise my role as WW and kill some of you!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

It was short..and I hope in the future I can reprise my role as WW and kill some of you!

No comment. But, hey, it wasn't my fault... whatever :)

[Thinlómien]

Yes, I know it's pitiful to start posting on this thread within a day of your death in the most recent game.

And yes, I know Nog's game is probably going to still go on for some time.


But I'm still posting here, because unless someone knows more than I do, we are rather ignorant as for the modding list. And somebody has to mod after Nog and it would be good if they had time to plan.

So, who's next?


The ones whom I can see expressing interest lately-ish but haven't modded are
Wilwa and Glirdan
Sally
Folwren
Rikae

Does any of you want to mod next?


Are there any new volunteers?

[Inziladun]

There are people ahead of me on the list, but I have an idea for a basic game. February would mark the six-month period since I last modded, so it should work out.

[Loslote]

I have an idea for a game I've been working on. So... go ahead and add me to the list - I don't have any particular time I want to mod. :)

[Folwren]

Tell you what, I can start thinking of a game idea, and then I'll be willing to mod the game after the game after Nogrods. So, that means, Nogrod's game ends, then someone else mods, then I'll mod...however, I request the priviledge of withdrawing my name if this semester of school ends up being another overload, like last semester was. I'll know by the time the game after Nogrod's is half over, I imagine.

Will that work?

-- Folwren

[Glirdan]

Wilwa and I still need to work out some kinks in the game we wanted to mod, but havnen't been able to due to a brand new work schedule for me that jumps all over the place and thus making it rather difficult to co=ordinate with her seeing as she is also working and in school. :( Oh, and I currently have no laptop as the cord for the charger decided to fray on me. I'm currently on my significant others computer whilst he is working, and trust me, this won't happen often (*mutters about WOW and other non-sensical games that take lives away from reality :p;)* )

[Rikae]

Am I still on for January? I suppose that makes me next. I have some planning to do, but I should be able to start in a few days if I put my mind to it.
If not, I don't foresee being able to do it any time this year, actually.

[Rikae]

In spite of the overwhelming response, I'm going to have to bow out. Someone else take the next game.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

In spite of the overwhelming response, I'm going to have to bow out. Someone else take the next game.

My response was mental! It was "Yes, Rikae should host, that's exciting!" :(

[Nogrod]

Oh, Rikae... I have already mentally signed into your game. :(

But expect me to be in when your game is on.

[Rikae]

Well, I'll do it if people want to play... it looked like no one did right now & I would need to get started quickly, to finish before the semester starts.

[Aganzir]

Mental response: "Yay yay yay Rikae is modding and I probably have time to play!"

[Glirdan]

I will definitely play Rikae. Provided work doesn't interfere :rolleyes:

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Well, I'll do it if people want to play... it looked like no one did right now & I would need to get started quickly, to finish before the semester starts.

Oh I definitely want to play. :D

[A Little Green]

Both me and Lommy are game, just so you know.

[elronds_daughter]

I'm up for a Rikae-game!

[satansaloser2005]

If we start after the 28th, I am SO in.

[Mänwe]

I'm game for another game. :)

[Nerwen]

Sign me up please, Rikae. I am suffering serious WW withdrawal right now!

[skip spence]

I've seem to've become smitten by the ww-bug too but will have to pass this time. Have fun!

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Sign me up please, Rikae. I am suffering serious WW withdrawal right now!

:D It's about time. *mutters*

[Inziladun]

*bump*

Am I right in thinking Foley is next on the mod list? Or has all the RPG discussion gotten everyone focused on that for the moment?

[Folwren]

I'm game if you all are in trying out my idea. I've discussed it with Fea and she seems to like the idea and says to attempt it.

-- Foley

[Rikae]

What's the plan, Foley? (Sorry if I missed it...)

[Folwren]

I didn't put it down yet. I'm not sure what the protocol is for this. Do I give a brief description here, or wait until I start a discussion thread? :confused: I'm assuming here, so people can know what they're signing up for...but then on the other hand, I don't remember anyone ever doing that.

[Glirdan]

I'm interested in at least hearing about it. I can't for sure say that I'll be able to play this time around though with work and two shows

[Glirdan]

Ummm, I'm pretty sure you can just go ahead and put up the Admin thread....Some people put a brief description here and then also post the Admin thread, so it's your call :)

[elronds_daughter]

Ooooh, yay, another game on the horizon! How very exciting. :)

[Mithalwen]

Up to you but I think most people but an outline in the first post of their admin thread and if any specific points are up for discussion that can be done there by those interested in participating, So you could post about it here too or you could just direct people to the admin thread when ready. :D

[Folwren]

Thanks, guys. I'm thinking I'll need a few hints and nudges along the way.

I'll work on the outline and get it up as soon as possible on an Admin thread.

-- Folwren

[Galadriel55]

On some advertisement there was this slogan: "There'll be plenty of time to sleep when you're dead". It doesn't matter what everyone thought the add was about, because it really was about werewolf! :D

[Folwren]

I am now recruiting players for my game The Valley Forge. If you would like to read about it and (hopefully) sign up, here's (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=17146) the thread.

[Kitanna]

I've been months away from the Downs. I see Folwren has a WW game going, but who is next on the list to mod? If things go as they are in my life as they are now I'll have nothing but free time. I could use the cutthroat interaction of a werewolfing game.

[Inziladun]

I've been months away from the Downs. I see Folwren has a WW game going, but who is next on the list to mod? If things go as they are in my life as they are now I'll have nothing but free time. I could use the cutthroat interaction of a werewolfing game.

Foley's game is stalled until enough sign-ups accrue. *hint* ;)

I think I'd said something about modding a while back, but I haven't though about it much lately. Mine was going to be pretty basic.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Since Folwren has gone and Inzil has gone ahead and hosted (and Wilwa/Glirdan apparently have/had issues), looking back I think the 'list' (if you can call it that) is:

Rikae
Lottie
Shasta

I went ahead and added myself to the end of the list as I'd meant to several months ago :rolleyes:.

[Galadriel55]

Rikae already modded. And Foley's game is kinda still on-pause...

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Rikae already modded. And Foley's game is kinda still on-pause...

Missed Rikae, then, but I would say Foley's game is less "on-pause" and more "dead-in-the-water". We've already had Inzil host instead, and given how long it's been since people actually signed up... I'm all for Foley hosting, but I think she'd probably be better served by putting up a new admin thread. Also, based on McCaber's recent post in said admin thread, Foley apparently mentioned something about starting up at the beginning of August? That's fine, but that also means there's room for someone to host now that Inzil's game is over.

[Eruhen]

Well, I've never played WW on the Downs, but I have been in quite a few games in RL, and I'm game for whenever the next game starts.

[Loslote]

If I were to host, it'd have to be basically now, because I don't want to be hosting when I start college...Shasta, if you want to host, though, go ahead - I am not by any means desperate. ;)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

If I were to host, it'd have to be basically now, because I don't want to be hosting when I start college...Shasta, if you want to host, though, go ahead - I am not by any means desperate. ;)

No no, you were definitely on the list before me, and I am all for you hosting immediately. :)

[Loslote]

No no, you were definitely on the list before me, and I am all for you hosting immediately. :)

Alright, I'll dig up my old outline and try to have an Admin thread up...tomorrowish? Somewhere around there. :)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Alright, I'll dig up my old outline and try to have an Admin thread up...tomorrowish? Somewhere around there. :)

Sounds good to me!

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Thinlomien (Seer), Legate of Amon Lanc (Ordo) - Lynched Day 1
Macalaure (Ordo) - Killed Night 2
Aganzir (Ordo) - Lynched Day 2
Volo (Ordo) - Killed Night 3
Oddwen (Ordo) - Lynched Day 3
Kath (Ranger) - Killed Night 4
Rikae (Ordo) - Lynched Day 4
Hookbill the Goomba (Ordo) - Killed Night 5
Rune Son of Bjarne (Cobbler) - Lynched Day 5
A Little Green (Hunter) - Killed in Endgame
Estelyn Telcontar (Ordo) - Killed in Endgame
Pitchwife (Ordo) - Killed in Endgame
Annina (Ordo) - Killed in Endgame

Wolves win - Shastanis Althreduin, Nogrod, skip spence, Squatter of Amon Rudh surviving.

[Folwren]

Thinlomien (Seer), Legate of Amon Lanc (Ordo) - Lynched Day 1
Macalaure (Ordo) - Killed Night 2
Aganzir (Ordo) - Lynched Day 2
Volo (Ordo) - Killed Night 3
Oddwen (Ordo) - Lynched Day 3
Kath (Ranger) - Killed Night 4
Rikae (Ordo) - Lynched Day 4
Hookbill the Goomba (Ordo) - Killed Night 5
Rune Son of Bjarne (Cobbler) - Lynched Day 5
A Little Green (Hunter) - Killed in Endgame
Estelyn Telcontar (Ordo) - Killed in Endgame
Pitchwife (Ordo) - Killed in Endgame
Annina (Ordo) - Killed in Endgame

Wolves win - Shastanis Althreduin, Nogrod, skip spence, Squatter of Amon Rudh surviving.


That's just awful. At least you, Shasta, had better luck as a wolf in that game than in your last BD werewolf game, huh? Bad luck for the villagers to kill their seer day 1.