Tol-in-Gaurhoth (Isle of Werewolves)

[The Barrow-Wight]

After Sauron captured Tol Sirion and occupied Finrod’s fortress of Minas Tirith, the surrounding region became infested with horrifying creatures in the shape of wolves. These cunning beasts could take the form of man or elf by day, but at night they would change into ravenous monsters, thirsty for blood and death. Together, groups of Sauron’s werewolves would infiltrate a small village and kill off its population one by one.

Welcome to Barrow-downs Werewolf.

Werewolf is a game of accusation, deduction, lying, reverse psychology and bandwagoning. Moreover, it's a lot of fun. It is actively played on several sites on the Internet, and I thought it would make a fun addition to the Downs.


The rules are pretty simple: The players represent a village, and each member of the village has a role, which is kept secret. Most players are ordinary villagers, but two or more are werewolves, and one is a seer. The goal of the villagers is to eliminate all of the werewolves. Likewise, the goal of the werewolves is to eliminate the villagers, which they can do if the number of non-werewolves is equal or less than the number of werewolves.

Gameplay
The game consists of two different phases: Night and Day. The game begins with a Night phase.

Night
In a Night phase, the moderator will ask the werewolves to choose a villager to eliminate and also ask the seer to choose one player to dream about. The werewolves should decide amongst themselves using the board's PM (private message) function who their victim will be and inform the moderator of their choice. Each werewolf should PM the moderator either the group choice of the victim OR which wolf to whom they've proxied their choice. The seer should decide who his victim will be and inform the moderator of his choice.

The werewolves' victim is dead, but the rest of the village won't find out until daytime who the victim is and what their secret role was.

The seer's victim has his role revealed to the seer only.

Day
During the daytime the villagers all wake up and find that one of their own has been killed by the werewolves. At this point at least one player is a werewolf and so someone is gonna get lynched.

During this phase all players, including werewolves who have assumed villager form, must publically discuss their suspicions. Eventually it will reach a point where villagers start to cast votes for who they feel is a werewolf and must be lynched. At least half of the villagers must agree on a player for a lynching to occur. Players can change their vote as much as they wish but once a pseudo-majority is reached, that player is gone and his secret role is revealed. Also, be nice to your moderator and make your vote stand out by bolding it.

If no majority is reached as a result of more than two players accumulating votes, then a runoff is held and the two highest vote-getters are on the block. Anyone who didn't vote for them originally must now choose between the two of them to determine which person will be lynched. If there still isn't a majority by then, a tiebreaker is used. One of the players at risk places a dagger in one of two boxes, and the other player chooses one of those boxes to open. If the box with the dagger is opened, that player is killed.

When the lynching is done all the villagers go back to their homes to sleep and the next night begins.

Winning
In case it's not clear: The villagers win if they kill all of the werewolves. The werewolves win if they kill enough villagers so that their numbers are equal. At this point the werewolves can openly rise up and slaughter the rest of the villagers.

Discrepencies

Absent voters: In most games once a majority is reached the game continues on from that point. However, it could happen that a player does not vote when prompted for one. A warning will be applied for the first infraction and a phantom vote will be applied for each subsequent infraction. A phantom vote is just an extra vote cast against the absent player(essentially he is voting for himself) in order to make it easier for the crowd to lynch that player.

Compromising privacy: You can say you're a villager/seer/werewolf, etc. all you want, but under no circumstances should you post anything that would give your claim absolute credibility. You are not allowed to post any PMs or other private conversation between yourself and the game moderator. Infractions of this rule are grounds for immediately disqualification from that game and all future games.

Outside interference: Once you are killed in a werewolf game you should no longer post in the thread or communicate with players that are still alive in the game. You're dead. Dead people tell no tales.

Private messages: A major cause of contention is the ability for people to PM each other and thereby keep other players in the dark about this private communication. Since there is no way to enforce, let alone verify an occurance, PMing other players shall not be expressely disallowed. However, it should be a common understanding that the game is more fun for everyone when all communication is available for everyone to see, and thus villagers are discouraged from PMing each other. Besides, would you believe that someone was the seer just because they said so? Werewolves are encouraged to PM each other and agree on who they will kill during any time of the game as this will speed up Night phases.



Our First Game
Barrow-Downs Werewolf will operate in a day/night cycle, with Day lasting from midnight until 6:00 PM, and Night lasting from 6:00 PM until midnight (all times are Eastern Standard Time). Votes cast at 6:01 or after are invalid and will be ignored.

Everyone can post a vote for lynching at any time, and can switch their vote to someone else at any time. I would ask that everyone BOLD their votes so that I can find them easily while scanning the thread. Remember, when a player has a majority of votes, he will be lynched.

Wolves and the Seer must PM their special orders to me by midnight each night. PM's recieved after midnight will unfortunately have their content ignored (so send your orders in early!).



We need players!

Want to play?

Respond here on this thread.

Our game will begin at 6PM (EST) on the first day that we have at least 12 players enrolled. When we have 12+ players, I will be the moderator and will randomly assign these roles:

3 Werewolves
1 Seer
9 (or more) Villagers



There will only be one game of Werewolf running on the Downs, and I will be moderating it. If you want to play, sign up for this game.

[mormegil]

Sounds like fun...I'm in

[The Barrow-Wight]

Games should last about (# of players)/2 days, since we will be killing a villager each NIGHT and hanging a suspected werewolf each DAY, which is 24 hours in real time.



Welcome to the game, mormegil. Everyone else, join quickly so we can already start the mayhem tomorrow.

[The Saucepan Man]

You can count me in.

What's the purpose of the villagers' roles?

Also, given time zone differences, might it be best to have a 24 hour period for each of Night and Day. Otherwise, for us Brits, Night will be something like 11pm to 5am (and later for those further to the east). Although I'm a night owl, this might preclude some people's participation.

[mormegil]

What's the purpose of the villagers' roles?


I believe it's to be slowly eaten off and lynch each other... ;)

[The Barrow-Wight]

You can count me in.Great to have you on board. That's two players already!

What's the purpose of the villagers' roles?Villagers hang (suspected) werewolves. So a villager's roll is to figure out who is a werewolf, or to make suer people don't think they are one!!! :eek:

Also, given time zone differences, might it be best to have a 24 hour period for each of Night and Day. Otherwise, for us Brits, Night will be something like 11pm to 5am (and later for those further to the east). Although I'm a night owl, this might preclude some people's participation.Because there are only 4 players that do things at NIGHT (werewolves and the seer), the NIGHT phase doesn't need to be as long as the DAY phase. I'd like to keep the pace the same (24 hours for both DAY and NIGHt), as well as the proportion (6 hours: 18 hours), but I'd be happy to slide it all forward a couple hours.

How about:

4PM - 10 PM EST = NIGHT
10PM - 4 PM EST = DAY

That should be more inclusive of both side of the Atlantic (though it is still discriminatory against those members further away, sorry :( )

[The Saucepan Man]

The players represent a village, and each member of the village has a role, which is kept secret.I meant the role referred to here - the secret role (which seemingly the seer can discover by dreaming).

How about:

4PM - 10 PM EST = NIGHT
10PM - 4 PM EST = DAYActually, the other way works better for me, since it is difficult for me to post much during working hours, and I usually don't log in until about 10.30pm at night. But I'll go with whatever suits the majority.

[The Barrow-Wight]

There are three roles:

VILLAGER
WEREWOLF
SEER

Villagers talk publically with each other and vote during the DAY on which player to hang. It is in their best interest to determine who is really a werewolf, because killing innocent villagers only helps the werewolves.

Werewolves decide which player to kill each NIGHT. They also disguise themselves as regular villagers during the DAY and join in the vote on who to hang. Obviously, they try their hardest to influence the vote toward non-werewolves.

The Seer has the ability to see one other player's secret role each NIGHT. He can use this information as he likes. Of course, other players don't know he is the seer, so they may or may not believe any information he shares.

[mormegil]

So I guess saying to the villagers something to the effect of "I had a dream last night that so and so was a werewolf" may not have the desired effect.

[the phantom]

other players don't know he is the seer, so they may or may not believe any information he shares
So I guess saying to the villagers something to the effect of "I had a dream last night that so and so was a werewolf"...
The seer definitely shouldn't say anything about a dream or hint that he is the seer (unless there is only one werewolf left and the seer knows who he is). If the seer gives away his own identity, the werewolves will be sure to kill him the following night since the seer is the biggest threat to them.

Count me in, BW.

[Anguirel]

I'd like to play...

Oh, and I'd rather have the new times.

[Primrose Bolger]

I'd like to give the game a try.

Count me in, if you will.

-o- Primrose :cool:

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

O ja, I'll take part, if allowed.

[Firefoot]

Sounds fun - I'll try it.

The first set of times is definitely better for me, though - the new ones make most of my afterschool time at night.

[Mithalwen]

Me too :D

[The Barrow-Wight]

That's eight players so far. All we need is four more, and the game can commence.




How about we compromise between the original and old hours:

5 PM - 11 PM EST = Night
11 PM - 5 PM EST = Day

This should give most North Americans time to get home from school and make their vote, and most Europeans should be able to do their posting and votes before midnight their time.

Remember, these hours can be adjusted as we see fit. This is our first game, and I'm sure it will take some adjustments before we get it right.

[Anguirel]

Well, my server closes after 10-I can't get on the internet after 4 PM EST (you're six hours ahead of GMT, I think?) So I might have to opt out of this one, I'm afraid. It'll be fun to watch though.

[The Barrow-Wight]

Barrow-downs Werewolf will be easy to play and take very little of your day to participate in.

If you are a werewolf, you'll know who the other werewolves are. Until you are hanged, you will PM back and forth with your hairy friends whenever you like, choosing which hairless ape gets eaten next.

If you are a villager, you wake up each DAY (starts at 11PM) to see who was killed by the wolves. If it wasn't you, you can post your suspicions and read what other players have to say, remembering that the werewolves are now pretending to be villagers. You must include a vote* in a post by the end of the day (5 PM).

* Always BOLD your vote, so that it is obvious. Example: Mister Underhill is always pointing the finger at me, but I say we hang him!!!

If you are the seer, you play just like a villager, except that you will privately gain additional information about the player you dreamed about. Use this information wisely.



I can't wait until the killing begins!

[Mithalwen]

I am going to have to pull out... I don't have internet access at home at the moment so there is no way I can post between 11pm and 5 am (unless someone can tell me very simply how to persuade my mac that it wants to go online ;) and even then .. those are my preferred hours for sleep

[Anguirel]

It sounds so much fun...but it's out of the question for me, alas, as it stands.

I hope this will spawn many variations. Work out who's betraying Gondolin; work out who's messing up the Nirnaeth; and so on...

[Oddwen]

Hey, this sounds awesome - I'll give 'er a go.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I'm in.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

The timing does seem tricky. Perhaps we could all help spread the word, and then we would have enough players for two games on different sides of the Atlantic.

Though there are some Americans I would like to accuse.... :D


Edit: I had better pull out of a game using the current times.

[Shelob]

I'll give it a shot...
the "5 PM - 11 PM EST = Night/11 PM - 5 PM EST = Day" times work well for me.

[Oddwen]

So, the Seer picks a person at random, and the Moderator lets him/her know if the victim is villager or werewolf, correct?

And after a victim is lynched, is it henceforth common knowledge wether he/she/it is a werewolf or common mortal?

I.E.:

Without further ado, the villagers lynch Nilpaurion Fegalund, who happened to be an innocent villager.
Villagers: 0
Werewolves: 1

Or will it remain a secret knownst amongst werewolves only?

[the phantom]

Yes, after the villagers lynch someone the dead person's identity is revealed. Then the villagers will think "Yay, we got one of the werewolves!" or "Oh, darn, we just killed one of our own."

[The Barrow-Wight]

When a player is hanged, the moderator will reveal if they were a villager, werewolf, or seer. If it was the last werewolf, the villagers (including the seer) win the game. If the remaining villagers equal the number of remaining werewolves, the beasts will rise up and destroy the village.

[bilbo_baggins]

Count me in, Barrow-Wight.

So, let me get this straight: Only the Seer and Wolves are active at the "Night" phase, correct? Just wanted to be sure. This is like Mafia, BTW.

bilbo_baggins

[The Barrow-Wight]

Yes, during the NIGHT, werewolves PM each other to decide who to kill. They then must tell the moderator who they killed. While the wolves are killing, the seer is dreaming. The seer does this by naming a player to the moderator, who responds (to the seer only) with that player's role.

At dawn (11PM EST), the moderator will publically announce who was killed by the werewolves and privately give the seer the information he dreamed about. Werewolves can continue to PM each other through the DAY, but they should also be active in their guise as villagers. When one player has received a majority of votes, he will be hanged, and the DAY will be over, though it won't officially end until NIGHT begins at 5PM.

We now have 10 players, which means we only need two more for the game to begin tonight. But we can play with more than 12, so whoever is interested should sign up now.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

I'd love to participate but I don't have access to computer for the next week but perhaps I can play after that.

[Kuruharan]

Mmmm...skull duggery. I'm game.

[The Barrow-Wight]

Current player roster:


mormegil
The Saucepan Man
the phantom
Primrose Bolger
Anguirel
Firefoot
Oddwen
Feanor of the Peredhil
Shelob
bilbo_baggins
Kuruharan
Mithalwen
We have enough to start, but will continue to take names until 6PM EST.


Possibles.....
- Eomer of the Rohirrim

[Mithalwen]

I think Eomer pulled out?

Please can we have a game for Brits who aren't nocturnal/insomniacs?

[Anguirel]

Hmmm...would anyone object if Brits held a game with identical rules, but a different story, and with a British moderator? I think it would be good fun.

Of course, Brits could still play in this one and vice versa, if they wanted.

[Mithalwen]

Hmmm...would anyone object if Brits held a game with identical rules, but a different story, and with a British moderator? I think it would be good fun.

Of course, Brits could still play in this one and vice versa, if they wanted.


Not want merely logistics .... if I could I would but I have a responsibility to be fairly conscious at work and more vitally fit to drive there and back. I function quite well on 6hrs sleep but it does have to be those 6 hours.... unfortunately... of course other Brits have different lifestyles and biorhythms...

[Anguirel]

I'm luckier than you. I get 11:00 to 6:30...but the internet, as I said, slumbers at ten...

[Mithalwen]

At least my work for the next few weeks gives me access at work (albeit not during work hours) so I could check in before 9, between 1-2 and after 5 but that doesn't help with the night thang... hey ho..

[The Barrow-Wight]

I would prefer to see everyone play together in one large game rather than two smaller games, at least for our first attempt at Werewolf. In order to do this, it seems that we would have to adjust our timeframes a bit. The Saucepan Man has suggested 24 hours for each day and night, which would accomodate everyone but possibly drag the game down to a pace that would be detrimental to our enjoyment of it. On the other hand, the 6 hour NIGHT / 18 hour DAY excludes far too many of our members, so we must make some kind of changes if we want to have maximum participation.

Again, I think a compromise might solve our problem.

A DAY/NIGHT cycle of 24 hours is too fast, 48 hours is too slow, so how about a rotating 36 hour cycle?

NIGHT 1_____6 PM to 6 AM (12 hours)
DAY 1_______6 AM to 6 AM (24 hours)
NIGHT 2_____6 AM to 6 PM (12 hours)
DAY 2_______6 PM to 6 PM (24 hours)

This will allow us to kill 4 players every 3 days (instead of 4). With the moderator clearly posting when the next deadline is, this would give everyone the best chance of having time to play. And, really, only the werewolves and seer would be affected by the shorter timespan.

Tell me what you think, and sign up soon! We're only two players short of a game!

[Mithalwen]

I think I could probably cope with that....

[Anguirel]

Splendid. I'd like to sign up. Again.

[Encaitare]

Sounds like an interesting game that I would like to try sometime in the future, but I won't have internet access for the next few days. I'd like to see it in the works, though, so I'll have a good idea of what to do the next time around.

[bilbo_baggins]

So we have the 12 players, I think. When do we start, Barrow-Wight?

bilbo_baggins

[The Barrow-Wight]

With 12 players signed up, I will randomly select roles and send out PMs before 6PM tonight. It's already 5 PM, but I'll waiting another 30 mins or so to see if anyone else wants to join in this game.

[the guy who be short]

Hmm... I'm interested, but I have my final day of school tomorrow so I won't be able to play this time. I trust there'll be more games after the first?

[Evisse the Blue]

I'd like to join in the next game too, I think.
This looks like a fun game. :)

[The Barrow-Wight]

Assuming that people enjoy Werewolf here as much as they seem to on other sites, we will probably play several games.

[The Barrow-Wight]

Last call for anyone wanting to get into this game. I have to go out for a bit, starting at 6PM, so I am going to assign roles and send out PMs to everyone in just a few minutes. It is 5:26PM now, and I will close the enrollment at 5:40PM.

[The Barrow-Wight]

Enrollment for the first game of Barrow-Downs Werewolf is now closed.

Players for this game are:

mormegil
The Saucepan Man
the phantom
Primrose Bolger
Anguirel
Firefoot
Oddwen
Feanor of the Peredhil
Shelob
bilbo_baggins
Kuruharan
Mithalwen


All players should look for a PM shortly to show your roles.

All werewolves have until 6AM tomorrow morning to decide which one villager will be killed.

The seer has until 6AM tomorrow morning to name a player to dream about.

Good luck!

[The Barrow-Wight]

I've sent PMs to all players notifying each of their role in this game.

Remember that people can see who you are sending PMs to by looking on the WHO'S ONLINE page, so make yourself INVISBLE (See Edit Options in your User Panel).

Only the werewolves and the seer should be sending PMs in the game.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Quick question: will we be playing on this thread, or will there be a new one opening to accomadate the actual game?

[The Barrow-Wight]

All DAY discussions can occur right here in this thread.

[Mithalwen]

So.... is someone already dead.... should I be tripping over a corpse?

[Anguirel]

...perhaps you are a corpse!

[Mithalwen]

That thought did occur but it is so hard to tell seeing as we are all dead on the downs anyway... I could just be pottering around wondering about the rumours of lycanthropy in the village ....... however if I am the corpse and you know I am the corpse that must mean eeeeeeeeeeek!!!!

Careless talk costs lives Anguirel... ;)

[Anguirel]

I don't have a tail. Honest. It's just, ah, very hot, and I'm wearing my best fur coat...

[Mithalwen]

A likely story... furs in May tsk tsk..... how do you feel about full moons... ?

However if there isn't a corpse...where is the justification for the lynching? Or do we assume a 13th NPC villager?

And is ther any significance that today is Friday the Thirteenth?

[Anguirel]

It's just too early for the Barrow-Wight to come and announce if there's a kill, I think, as it's something like 7:00 AM EST. Let's be patient...the events of the night will be the talk of the village square all too soon...

[The Barrow-Wight]

Alarm! A horrible discovery awaits the villagers as they awake. A trail of blood and gore leads to a corpse so badly mangled that it is almost impossible to identify. Only when someone recognizes the dead parrot beside the body does the crowd realize who has been slain - Shelob!

Perhaps she's only stunned. No, she's not stunned'! She's passed on! Shelob is no more! She has ceased to be! She's expired and gone to meet 'er maker! She's a stiff! Bereft of life, she rests in peace! 'Er metabolic processes are now 'istory! She's off the twig! She's kicked the bucket, She's shuffled off 'er mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!! THIS IS AN EX-SHELOB!!

How terrible for poor Shelob , but life goes on for the rest of you. All players now have until 6AM tomorrow (14 May) to discuss publicly (here on this thread) suspicions and ideas, and to cast a bold vote for who will be hanged. There are 11 players remaining, so 6 votes = automatic lynching. You may change your vote anytime before a majority is reached, but once I count 6 for one person, it's all over!

Let the fun begin!

Living

mormegil
The Saucepan Man
the phantom
Primrose Bolger
Anguirel
Firefoot
Oddwen
Feanor of the Peredhil
bilbo_baggins
Kuruharan
Mithalwen


Dead
Shelob (Villager) - killed by werewolves during Night 1


Score
Werewolves: 3
Villagers: 8



NOTICE: Though the DAY/NIGHT cyles may change at 0600, I am unlikely to be functional until 0700 or 0800 on my best days. Please be patient. It often takes a while for my morning miruvor to kick in. Thanks. ~BW~

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

The Saucepan Mandid it! I swear, I heard pots clanging around last night. I was simply minding my own business, dreaming away the night, and wishing that I had a nice big pot of tea to wake up to, and what do I hear but clanging and banging! I swear it! Let's burn 'im! I'll bet he even weighs the same as a duck! Come on all and let's get lynching!

[The Barrow-Wight]

A reminder: You can discuss people and mention their names all DAY, but when I see a name in bold , that's a vote. Just checking to make sure you all understand this.

[Anguirel]

Hmmm. The question has to be asked, who among us is famous for molesting innocent spider-things? bilbo_baggins comes to mind. I'm not formally accusing him, just declaring a very slight suspicion.

But the Saucepan Man could be quite near the truth, as well. If Feanor heard pots in the night...I always knew his eyes were somewhat close together...certainly, he will have to have a convincing alibi...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

And besides... The Saucepan Man... Sam Gamgee anyone? And who can tell us who stabbed Shelob in the books! Bingo, you've got it, thanks very much, and have a nice day.

[bilbo_baggins]

Though I can definitely tell you that we can find nothing out for real, we can have a lot of fun lynching...

And, anyway, Sam was the one who hurts Shelob, not me. I'm comatose in Rivendell by then... :)

Does everyone realize that the werewolves are going to be the one who will speak the least! (Now how many are going to speak up after I say that?)

I might add that Feanor did cast the first stone...

bilbo_baggins

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Who says the werewolves will speak last? They could be among us right now, listening to us betraying each other! Nevertheless... I think you might have done it. Comatose in Rivendell when I know perfectly well that you were in town all night last night when poor dear Shelob was murdered. You're lying already! It could very well be you the werewolf, and would I ever know? No! Not until you attack me in my sleep, interrupting such wonderfully informative dreams of flowers and llamas and many other things of that nature. And I would be dead. D. E. D. Dead.

[Anguirel]

Nevertheless, I have been swayed. We must unite, villagers. The textual, contextual and environmental case against...(dramatic pause)...++The Saucepan Man is extremely strong. Unless he defends himself adequately, I say we hang him by the neck until he is dead, as is compatible with the Village's 122nd Constitutional Decree. Who is with me?

EDIT: This vote has been reconfirmed! Ha!

[The Saucepan Man]

The Saucepan Man did it! I swear, I heard pots clanging around last night.Well, as I slept soundly throughout the night, it cannot have been me that you heard. Perhaps it was the wind rattling my pots and pans where they were hung for the night. Or perhaps it's a stitch up ...

I say we search everyone's kitchen for signs of recently disturbed culinary equipment!

Then again, how are we to determine whether Feanor of the Peredhil is to be believed. It seems to me quite possible that the person who committed the foul deed would be the first to rush in and hurl wild accusations about.

And what about the phantom? He is of course a creature of the night and so quite at home prowling about during the hours of darkness.

I always knew his eyes were somewhat close together...That's rich coming from someone whose eyebrows meet in the middle ... :p ;)

[Anguirel]

Quite an eloquent defence. Just as you'd expect from someone who learnt his powers of rhetoric from Sauron himself! Hang him, hang him I say...

[bilbo_baggins]

FEAR! FIRE! FOES! Awake, Awake! FEAR! FOES! Awake!

I think that we must needs discuss this at length before deciding because we have until nightfall (6 AM tomorrow, EST) before we will be hunted again.

Why are Feanor and Anguirel so bloodthirsty? I think they didn't get to drink enough last night when they killed Shelob!

Fear! Foes!

Rise, villagers. I call you not to hang anyone, but to decide in a council of gravity what we are to do. Shall we ask the eldest members of our brethren to lead? Or shall we all have equal say? What say you?

bilbo_baggins

[Kuruharan]

I do have to admit, I kind of agree with bilbo and Saucepan Man that it is at least a little odd the way Feanor came galloping up from out of nowhere and started throwing accusations around like they were going out of style...

[Oddwen]

Aye, and what of them that hasn't shown their faces yet? Still in bed, tired from last night's ravening?

It's as plain as the warts on yer faces that ++FIREFOOT's been rather flaky lately! And even the name...'Fire-Foot'...sounds suspicious to me! Draw and quarter 'em, I say! Hangin's too good for scum like these!

[mormegil]

I am in agreement with Oddwen. I think Firefoot is the culprit. Notice how tired Firefoot is today. That tells me that we have our werewolf.

[The Saucepan Man]

I think that we must needs discuss this at length before deciding because we have until nightfall (6 AM tomorrow, EST) before we will be hunted again.Quite. Every innocent villager hung represents a victory for the dread beasts of the night.

Like others, Feanor and Anguirel are top of my suspect list at the moment. But I intend to reserve judgement until I have heard more.

[Anguirel]

The spirit of calm is prevailing. I suppose you're right, even if you have been a bit tricksy of late. We need to discuss the situation rationally. I retract my accusation.

Mithalwen has been strangely quiet after her initial inquiries...but surely...it could not be her...after all, she is of the Quendi...isn't she? Still, still, some say they skulk in elf form as well. Let a swift rider be dispatched to Nargothrond to see if the rumours are true.

In the meantime, there is no place for name-calling and prejudice in this village, and, though it pains me to say it, Oddwen's ridiculous and ill-founded lambasting of our friendly neighbourhood warhorse would seem to hint that she is either dangerously rash...or not one of us.

I believe Feanor acted in good faith, out of grief at the stricken spider, who was very dear to her. Accuse her not. She merely tried to do her duty.

What of the phantom? A dread spirit of darkness and wrath; 'twould be no great surprise to find him a visitor at Tol-in-Gaurhoth...

[Primrose Bolger]

. . . and what of them that hasn't shown their faces yet?

We sleep the sleep of the innocent!


Does everyone realize that the werewolves are going to be the one who will speak the least! 'Twas bilbo_baggins who came up with that reasoning. To throw us off the track, I think.

They'll be yammering away from the first, those shadowspawn will. Though, I'm thinking they'll let the innocent raise the alarm, then they'll stick their wolfish noses in . . . and all the while laughing at us, and licking their lips at the prospect of taking another down.

It's bilbo_baggins who bears watching in my mind.

[The Barrow-Wight]

To make things even easier for your poor, blind moderator, please post votes in BOLD CAPITAL LETTERS. Thanks!

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

It seems to me quite possible that the person who committed the foul deed would be the first to rush in and hurl wild accusations about.
And since when does being an early riser mean that one is capable of murder? I slept badly last night, plagued by bad dreams, and then when I wake to find one of my friends of the village murdered in her sleep, you blame ME for it? Your evidence is circumstancial at best, and you must believe me... I would never hurt a spider. Just ask Bokkie in the chat room... I have my big brother do things like that for me. Not that I would in this case... Shelob was such a nice girl, and now *weep* she's gone. Can't we all just get along?

Like others, Feanor and Anguirel are top of my suspect list at the moment.
Don't you all see? The suspect tries to cast blame on the suspicious! To tarnish my good name with calls of "werewolf" and "murderer"... You may as well just lynch me and get it over with.... Trying to kill a good and honorable person such as me... How dare you?

[mormegil]

Well dear Fea if you slept so poorly certainly you must have heard some commotion in the village. Pray tell us who you heard.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

What did I hear? I heard a scream, which I assumed was simply a bar fight. I heard snarls and growling, which I assumed to be my neighbor's dogs, and I heard the sound of pots and pans, which I assumed to be a dream. Now, I've gone and woken up and discovered the body of my dear friend, and am being accused of the wrong-doing by those who might have well done it themselves!

[Anguirel]

There, there, Feanor. It's all right.

Saucie, you blackguard. You've really upset her now. You're trying to play the wise mediator, but that sly lupine cruelty just keeps slipping through, to my mind.

I think the good, rustic sense Primrose is showing does credit to us all. She defends the innocent and helpless, and assaults the sophists. I say bilbo and The Saucepan Man, spider molesters the both of them, could have teamed up against the defenceless Shelob. But the bearer of pots is the ringleader, based on my analysis hitherto. Also, the phantom still hasn't tried to defend his character. Does that prove his honesty? Or darken his name?

Alack, there are so many miscreants in this blighted village that I cannot yet decide who to condemn outright. Interesting to note, though, are the frequent duels we have all witnessed between the Saucepan Man and the Phantom. Is this antipathy a cover-up for their blood drenched schemes?

[Mithalwen]

Mithalwen has been strangely quiet after her initial inquiries...but surely...it could not be her...after all, she is of the Quendi...isn't she? Still, still, some say they skulk in elf form as well. Let a swift rider be dispatched to Nargothrond to see if the rumours are true.

...


I have been in gainful employment in those hours which correspond with those I declaredearlier.Now Imust digest both the news of an innocent spider's death and these wild accusations...

[The Saucepan Man]

To make things even easier for your poor, blind moderator, please post votes in BOLD CAPITAL LETTERS. Thanks!Does that mean that votes cast so far don't count?

If not, I should be most grateful, Anguirel, if you would amend your post to unembolden my name. I wouldn't want to be hung on a technicality. :eek:

It seems to me that all we really have to go on so far is the presumption that those making quick and rash accusations may be seeking to deflect blame from themseleves. But, as Feanor of the Peredhil points out, that's hardly firm evidence of guilt.

However, one point did occur to me on reflection. Feanor originally said:


The Saucepan Man did it! I swear, I heard pots clanging around last night. Now, assuming that the Werewolves are aware of what they are doing, what sense does it make that one would go about murder attired in pots and pans? And, if they are unaware of their foul deeds, it seems most likely that the transformation process would break the straps holding the pots and pans in place. See, they are really rather tight. So, either Feanor heard something other than a Werewolf or she is lying.

Maybe my pots and pans were rattling in the wind. But it has never happened before. So, does anyone have any idea as to what she might have heard? If not, I would conclude that her story was a ruse to deflect blame and find her guilty.

[Anguirel]

My lady Mithalwen, I apologise. But surely your Elven senses and foresight can help us detect the true culprit?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I am of the opinion that not only is The Saucepan Man a werewolf, but he is a lawyer, if not a loyer, and that means that he knows perfectly well how to discredit a witness. So now, not only does he have the crime behind him, but he knows all the legal ways to keep himself looking innocent. But he's slipped. He doesn't look innocent at all! I say that ++THE SAUCEPAN MAN is our culprit, and that the phantom is in cahoots with him. Why else would Saucie place the blame on an innocent like me, and why, oh why, would the phantom be keeping so mysteriously quiet? That's just not like him at all, to stay out of the center of a discussion so important for so long.

[Mithalwen]

Ah but I wouldnot give rash counsel ..... a little time to analyse. Iwillgive you a considered response ere long.

[Anguirel]

Out of the strong come something sweet. Feanor speaks plainly and firmly, as did her illustrious male namesake, so they say. Wriggle your way out of that, o Saucepan Man!

Besides, I've just realised the clanking was probably me rolling about on my anvil in my sleep. (It was in many pieces in the morning.) I was having a peculiar nightmare which caused the slashing to make many to noise.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I've had another thought. When I just looked, there were 12 members online, but only 10 in plain sight! Why would anyone innocent ghost themselves? And we all know that Saucie is online, given that he just replied, but... he is not visable.

[The Saucepan Man]

I think the good, rustic sense Primrose is showing does credit to us all. She defends the innocent and helpless, and assaults the sophists.On the contrary, I would suggest that those who seek to apply intelligence and common sense to solve this hideous crime show their innocence, since they are they risk attracting the attention of the Werwolves to themselves. Alas! 'Tis a risky business indeed, but I place the interests of the village as a whole above my own personal safety.

Should I be taken in the next few nights, you will know what to conclude ...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Look! Look, see? He's online, but hiding. Why would anyone innocent hide in the shadows?

[the phantom]

Interesting to note, though, are the frequent duels we have all witnessed between the Saucepan Man and the Phantom. Is this antipathy a cover-up for their blood drenched schemes?
I assure you, these verbal duels are the result of a very real mutual hatred. Working together- ha!

Now, just let me say this- werewolves don't slay by night only. During the day, they do their killing by convincing the village to lynch an innocent person. Now, keeping that in mind, the primary suspects appear to be Fea and Anguirel. However, it is a known fact that werewolves kill their own families and dearest friends first, so that puts Fea in the clear since I, her very dear friend, am still alive.

And so, ++ANGUIREL is my primary suspect. For further evidence, I saw Ang holding a whispered conference (pming) with someone, or something, last night.

[The Saucepan Man]

Besides, I've just realised the clanking was probably me rolling about on my anvil in my sleep.Hmm, I suspected that you might be the first one to seek to explain Feanor's story. And, if you speak the truth, then you have been making accusations based on evidence which you knew to be false.

And we all know that Saucie is online, given that he just replied, but... he is not visable.Inadmissible under the rules, as I understand them. But, in any event, I freely admit that I have indeed cloaked my posting activity. I did so before the adjudicator's message was received. The reason? It occurred to me that it would rather spoil things if only the Werewolves did so. (And I would suggest that all participating should do so.)

[The Barrow-Wight]

People have been editing posts, changing thier votes from bold to regular to bold again. We need to come up with a system that will allow me to keep track of the votes as I read through the DAY. I don't want to have to go to the beginning of each DAY and read everything to tally the votes. I prefer to add them as I go. So let's set up a standard way of doing things.

If you are voting for someone, their name should be in bold capital letters proceeded by a "++" (++SHARKU). The doubled symbol is intentional.

If you have already voted for someone and want to 'take it back', their name should be in bold capital letters proceeded by a "--" (--SHARKU). The doubled symbol is intentional.

Here is an example:Earlier, I was really sure that --SHARKU is a werewolf, but now I am quite positive we need to hang ++THE BARROW-WIGHT.If you are no longer ready to commit to an earlier vote:On second thought, I think I'll hold off on my judment of --THE BARROW-WIGHT Using this system will make things a whole lot easier for me and will cause less confusion for everyone.

To recap, do not edit old votes. Simply post a change as noted above.

* I am going back now into your posts to edit them to meet this standard.

** The current tally (1:11 PM EST) is:
** 1 vote for Anguirel
** 1 vote for The Saucepan Man
** 1 vote for Firefoot

Thanks

[Primrose Bolger]

On the contrary, I would suggest that those who seek to apply intelligence and common sense to solve this hideous crime show their innocence, since they are they risk attracting the attention of the Werwolves to themselves. Alas! 'Tis a risky business indeed, but I place the interests of the village as a whole above my own personal safety. -- Saucepan Man

Words and reasonings as sharp as any Werewolf's teeth! What with all this protestation, this could well be another monster in fine clothing.

bilbo_baggins and The Saucepan Man!

As for hiding . . . all us villagers should hide, silver-tipped spear in hand, lest the cravens single us out . . .

[Anguirel]

All this defamatory nonsense! It simply took me a while, my dear loyer, to recall the existence of my anvil, since it had been reduced to dust as I tossed and turned. (Donation of another would be appreciated. It's awfully uncomfortable lying about on wood like this.)

((Are we allowed to post innocent PMs to prove how unsmirched we are? I think perhaps not. Nevermind.))

I assure you that though I was having lively conversations, they concerned the nature of Iarwain Ben-Adar and the exploration of the fortress of Himling. I'm a scholar as well as the best sword in Middle-earth. I have many assets. And I'm terribly law-abiding. Hanging (melting?) me would honestly be a really bad move.

Look at the skulking architects of slander! It disgusts me. I regret to add that I am quite sure ++THE SAUCEPAN MAN, with or without pots, is the verminous culprit.

[The Saucepan Man]

As I suspected. It makes perfect sense for the guilty parties to vote against any who seek to shed light on their bestial identities.

As I said, it's a risky business but someone's got to do it.

Should I die, and my innocence thereby be proved, think only this of me: That I sought to bring justice to this once great village.

And look to those who sought to accuse me ...

[bilbo_baggins]

I still say we should be reasonable, village-folk.

We have this evidence before us: Feanor posted first, Anguirel second, myself third, SpM fourth, Kuruharan - 5 , Oddwen - 6, mormegil - 7, Primrose Bolger - 8, Mithalwen - 9, the phantom - 10 ( Did I get that right? Someone else check the order)

Barrow-Wight, I have not accused anyone in the above post, so you know.

And, furthermore, I withold the vote I still have no idea who to use on until later.

Let us decide where to go from here.

As BW said, there are only four legal votes stated so far. (is it four?)

bilbo_baggins

[Anguirel]

Three. Plus mine for The Saucepan Man which the Barrow-Wight may not have recorded yet...

These exertions have made me into a Wight's Blade, I see...

[bilbo_baggins]

So who are we missing? Besides poor Shelob, and the 10 who have posted we are still missing a response from Firefoot. Perhaps he is in a vastly different timezone than I, but he should have time now.

Anyway, I also notice that most vocative people have followings. Who shall we see clump together into voting blocs that will not be able to be destroyed? The werewolves are the only ones with destructive power, so if they gang together with those who are blindly following them, this game is lost.

*sits back terrified

I will meet my fate if it comes.

b_b

[Anguirel]

And I mine, whether it be by lupine fang or over-zealous officers of the law. I am resigned. But I will not see these lies and smears put about.

the phantom, I feel, is actually merely in the grip of righteous indignation. No, the Saucepan Man must have other lackeys, more pliable to his iron will. He is a fell beast indeed...

[bilbo_baggins]

So you are more than decided that Saucepan man is the culprit, Anguirel?

I have come to a conundrum. I cannot outright say that I think Anguirel did it, even though she is accusing Saucepan Man on something someone heard, because if I do, I go back on my principles of waiting. How interesting.

Your plan of action, Anguirel, should be not to try to find Sauce's lackeys (if they exist) but to test his innocence by death first. Then we will know if he had any to begin with.

bilbo_baggins

[Mithalwen]

Having analysed the discourse thus far Iwould make the following comments.
While those who talk least may be lying low, the guilty have more reason to accuse.

Firefoot alone has not posted yet. Most of the other surviving villagers comments seem no more than fairly random speculation however there is an overwhelming amount of claim and counterclaim between 3 of our citizens. Feanor of the Peredhil, Saucepan Man and Anguirel.

Iwould draw your attention to a few points:

Feanor has twice stated she was plagued by bad dreams. This might be an attempt to convey that she is a seer. But that would be a risky course of action for a true seer. Muchas I hate to say it -itwouldbe a much safer course of action for a werewolf. However her if we give her the benefit of the doubt (which for old friendship's sake I would like to do), her instant accusation of the Saucepan Man might be a desperate attempt to protect the community from the wily Lawyer. btw we must not let prejudice make us assume that the professionally smooth talking are automatically guilty..... However she did misread Bilbo's Least for last... rushing to attack as the best form of defence?

Nevertheless I do not think SpM beyond suspicion - the self confessed night-owl slept soundly. Hmm

Sadly however, it seems to me that Feanor and Anguirel are making a concerted attack on the pan man while protecting each other.

With great sadness, and perhaps taking the furcoat quip as a confession (and bearing in mind the attempt to cast suspicion on myself - I vote at the moment for ++Anguirel

[mormegil]

My fears of Saucepan Man have been assuaged but I still fear Feanor, Anguirel, Phantom and Firefoot. Let's evaluate each.

Feanor was and has been very vocal and accusatory. Does this imply guilt? Or it is as she stated she is so distraught that she just wants justice no matter how many innocents she accuses.

Anguirel has been very vocal as well same question as asked about Feanor. The difference that I saw some signs at the scene that it may have been Anguirel, I am a expert tracker by the way. I couldn't make it out great but it may have been.

Speaking of tracks I saw some of Firefoots around the scene and being so quiet today makes me even more suspicious.

Phantom of course is a shady character ;) and tracks wouldn't be left by him but just because he's a phantom doesn't imply culpability. But I haven't ruled him out.

[Kuruharan]

Feanor has twice stated she was plagued by bad dreams. This might be an attempt to convey that she is a seer. But that would be a risky course of action for a true seer. Muchas I hate to say it -itwouldbe a much safer course of action for a werewolf. However her if we give her the benefit of the doubt (which for old friendship's sake I would like to do), her instant accusation of the Saucepan Man might be a desperate attempt to protect the community from the wily Lawyer.

But then how do you explain the way in which she instantly started attacking poor bilbo_baggins immediately afterwards? There is something odd going on here...

[bilbo_baggins]

Those are all good points.

Now I am almost convinced that Anguirel and Feanor are in league, for good or bad.

But on the same hand one cannot discount anyone except himself. (and Shelob, and the ones slated to pass on)

I have a few questions for the BW, though.

Does the person who the seer dreams about know that his identity is known, even if not by whom?

And is it absolutely necessary to lynch a person every day?

Just asking....

bilbo_baggins

[Mithalwen]

That may have been to back up Anguirel's initial accusation....

[Anguirel]

Aye, we are in league, for I ally myself with the oppressed against attackers...

And mormegil, I cry you mercy. I am your sword and namesake's twin brother, after all...

[Mithalwen]

But it is youyourselves who have done most of the attacking!!! Aieeeeeee I would it were not so..........

[Anguirel]

Attack is the best form of defence. Besides, if you're a talking sword, there's really not a lot else to do all day...

[The Barrow-Wight]

1) No one knows what the seer dreams unless the seer shares that information with others. Of course, no one knows who the seer is, so he/she is unlikely to directly reveal what was seen.

2) Someone must be hanged every DAY. Someone will be slain each NIGHT.

[bilbo_baggins]

2) Someone must be hanged every DAY. Someone will be slain each NIGHT.

Wow; bloodthirsty lot aren't we?

I must say I will have to rescind on my ideas of reason. We really can't make much of the situation with only hearsay.

I will not cast a vote, though, until 5:58 so as not to condemn anyone uneccessarily.

May we choose wisely, then

bilbo_baggins

[Firefoot]

I see people have begun to suspect me for my absense thus far. Let me assure you, it is because of no ill doings on my own part. I was here this morning before Day 1 started, so you see I had no chance to post my thoughts. Then, you see, there is this unfortunate thing called school, at which I never have a chance to log on to a computer. I have only gotten home a short while ago. So you see, 'tis for only very innocent reasons that I have been away. Now, keeping that in mind, the primary suspects appear to be Fea and Anguirel. However, it is a known fact that werewolves kill their own families and dearest friends first, so that puts Fea in the clear since I, her very dear friend, am still alive. -phantom

Now this would be true, unless, of course, you are both werewolves. Now phantom is one clever person, and I'd imagine he'd be quite good at covering his tracks. Also, I daresay Fea has been somewhat too vocal about her accusations; it would seem that she would shift the blame to one other than herself. These two lie under my suspicion, though I would not cast a hasty vote.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I am in league with no-one but myself. I do however sympathize mightily with those innocent but being mobbed any how. And wouldn't you all feel terribly guilty if you lynched me and only then found out I was telling the truth? I would never dream of lying to you all. What a nightmare this whole situation is.

However, it is a known fact that werewolves kill their own families and dearest friends first, so that puts Fea in the clear since I, her very dear friend, am still alive.
Not true. My friend, you've forgotten the pack-mentality of wolves. They are not likely to kill each other, but given the nature of this suspicious group, my pointing out this scientific evidence will likely get me hanged. I see that Kuruharan is certainly suspicious... I was distraught, can't you see? Perhaps I spoke too hastily, but does that mean you will kill me? I can't understand why you're all so quick to pack me off to the gallows.

[mormegil]

In careful review of what Fea has said up to this point my dubiety has been minimized. I have come to this conclusion because I can sense that she is very distraught at this and was emotionally moved to be so outspoken. My suspicions are turned elsewhere. Firefoot claims he was at school, but I still feel uncertain about this. Phantom, I just can't get a good read on though I feel we must keep and eye on him.

[Firefoot]

(Mormegil - I'm a she.) :D

Now, I wonder why you doubt my story. If you search for my posts, you will find that they regularly fall within a time period of 3:30-11:00 pm Eastern Time (I'm actually Central Time, but since the game is going by Eastern...) with a few scattered posts before 8 am (EST) when I chance to post in the morning. This excludes weekends, mark you. I see no reason for my story to be doubted as it has been consistently proven by the times and manner in which I post. If you doubt me, check the search!

Now, what reasons have you for blaming me? Oddwen, you too accused me, seemingly for no reason at all. Is there a reason? I will only respond that blind accusers generally have a reason, mayhap as a cover-up for themselves?

[The Saucepan Man]

In the hope that it may assist, I will lay out my conclusions so far.

The strongest evidence, such as it is, to my mind points to Feanor of the Peredhil and Anguirel. They have been the most vocal, and (significantly) the most mutually supportive, in their accusations. They have both pointed their (nocturnally clawed?) fingers at the efforts of this humble servant of justice to apply logic and calm reasoning to the horrific situation in which we find ourselves.

Now, the Werewolves have the most to gain from making rash accusations and seeking to direct the blame from themselves. But mayhaps that would be a foolish strategy as, by doing so, they simply attract attention to themselves. So they are not yet fully condemned in my mind.

But what of the others?

Oddwen made a quick accusation (and voted without any evidence to support her vote) and then retreated into the background to be heard no more. Could that represent good lupine tactical thinking?

Primrose Bolger, mormegil, Mithalwen and bilbo_baggins all seem to be to be genuine in their attempts to solve the mystery. But could their seeming innocence be a tactical façade?

Kuruharan and the phantom have added the odd observation but otherwise kept quiet. That seems out of character for both of them. Are they laying low in the hope and waiting to feast themselves on more innocent flesh tonight?

I believe Firefoot’s reasons for being unable to contribute to the debate until recently. Other than that, we have nothing but hearsay to accuse her on. That, of course, does not establish her innocence.

Curse these troubled times when we may trust no one but ourselves.

As for me, I admittedly made accusations with little basis to start with. But that was in the context of an immediate accusation from Feanor on the whim of naught but a noise in the night (which now, seemingly, appears to have been Anguirel’s doing). Since then, I have remained vocal, but this has been directed towards flushing out the culprits. I leave it to others to decide whether my attempts in this regard have been genuine.

Currently the voting stands:

1 vote for Firefoot
2 votes for Anguirel
2 votes for me

I for one will not vote for anyone where there is no firm evidence indicating their guilt. Alas, there is not much evidence at all. Yet we must vote. And so I come back to my initial conclusion that the strongest evidence (circumstantial though it is) points to Feanor and Anguirel. I am tending towards Anguirel, but will continue to reserve judgement for now.

[Kuruharan]

Feanor:

We should all be suspicious. Someone with an...odd sense of humor has unleashed a band of ravenous, bloodthirsty maniacs upon our up-until-now happy and peaceful anarcho-syndicalist commune. Since we don't have a lord to figure this out for us (using the banana-shape of the earth to predict when the next full moon will occur) we have to try to figure out who the villains are and restore peace and tranquility to said anarcho-syndicalist commune by ourselves. We don't know who they are as there is little evidence about them (putting the amount of evidence we have at present in very generous terms).

What we know is that they want to kill every last one of us. Taking this into consideration, we have to look at who is behaving in the most bloodthirsty manner. (Simplest explanation is always the best, at least until further information comes to light). I was not accusing you, I haven't accused anybody. I just couldn't resist noting that...some people were dropping names like they were rabid ferrets.

However, if you’d like to present some evidence to the jury, I’m sure everyone would give you a fair hearing.

[Primrose Bolger]

I found this an odd and chilling thing for bilbo_baggins to say:

Your plan of action, Anguirel, should be not to try to find Sauce's lackeys (if they exist) but to test his innocence by death first. Then we will know if he had any to begin with.

I am beginning to think perhaps Saucy is not a Werewolf in league with bilbo_baggins. Perhaps it's just a case of him being a long-winded seer, and by such verbiage and reasonings take on the appearance of a Werewolf.

And bilbo_baggins wants to kill him to prove his innocence . . .

Now that I think on it, in the wee hours of the night I did see the phantom, before the slaying was discovered, having a private moment with someone online . . .

[The Saucepan Man]

Now that I think on it, in the wee hours of the night I did see the phantom, before the slaying was discovered, having a private moment with someone online . . .I don't regard evidence of this type as having any bearing. But, as I said earlier, I would suggest that everyone switches to invisible mode while playing this game.

[the phantom]

However, it is a known fact that werewolves kill their own families and dearest friends first, so that puts Fea in the clear since I, her very dear friend, am still alive.
Not true. My friend
What's this, Fea? I tried to shift some guilt off of you onto Anguirel and then you poke a hole in my reasoning? It seems you are willing to protect Anguirel, even if it puts you at greater risk.

EVERYONE, go back and read all of Anguirel and Fea's posts in order (and no fair editing them, you two). You will notice quite a bit of mutual support amongst them. Feanor accused Saucy, Ang then accused Saucy as well as Bilbo, then Fea accused Bilbo. Later, they both suggested that I am the culprit. They also defend each other on a couple of occasions.
Feanor has twice stated she was plagued by bad dreams. This might be an attempt to convey that she is a seer. But that would be a risky course of action for a true seer. Muchas I hate to say it -itwouldbe a much safer course of action for a werewolf.
Excellent point, Mith. If the villagers think you are the seer, they certainly wouldn't try to lynch you. A werewolf would love to be thought of as the seer. Not to mention, if she truly was the seer and "knew" that Saucy was a werewolf, why would she then start accusing others instead of sticking with what she knows?

I believe that Anguirel and Fea are both werewolves.

Today, let us vote for Anguirel. If he turns out to be a werewolf, then we'll lynch Fea tomorrow.

If we lynch Anguirel and he isn't a werewolf... well... I would be quite embarrassed and would likely get lynched tomorrow. But since he IS a werewolf I'm not going to worry about that second scenario.

As for the third werewolf...hmm. Fea and Ang have both accused Saucy, Bilbo, and I. Who else has tried to make people suspect Saucy, Bilbo, and I? Primrose Bolger! Now, I'm not certain about PB's guilt, but if Ang and Fea both turn out to be werewolves, PB would be next in my book.

And for you people who are suspecting me... you big sillies. You know me better than that. The victim (Shelob) was mangled beyond recognition. That is not my style. If Shelob would've been found with absolutely no marks on her and with a taunting letter in her pocket, then I would be the primary suspect, but a messy bloody killing- uhg, definitely not me. I hate it when one of my cloaks gets stained.

[Oddwen]

Perhaps I was hasty in blaming you --FIREFOOT, but you must understand that I was just shocked out of my skin by such a grisly act so close to home...

Though all this defending of peoples bothers me...seems the only way someone could KNOW if one is innocent or not is that they're either werewolf or seer...

a little odd odd sense of humor -Kuruharan

odd observation -SPM

odd and chilling -Primrose Bolger

Strange for these three people to use the same incriminating word, is it not?

Although -
"Can't we all just get along?" - Fea
...very suspicious indeed.

[Kuruharan]

Feeling a little bit paranoid are we...ODDwen? ;)

Come to think of it, you also accused someone out of the blue...

[The Saucepan Man]

Strange for these three people to use the same incriminating word, is it not?Are we reduced to such desperation that we regard this as telling evidence? My use of the word was, in any event, was in a different context.

I believe that Anguirel and Fea are both werewolves.

Today, let us vote for Anguirel. If he turns out to be a werewolf, then we'll lynch Fea tomorrow.To my mind, the cloaked one talks sense. And so, since I will be unable to vote again before nightfall, it is with a heavy heart that I must nominate ++ANGUIREL for the chop.

[bilbo_baggins]

I see that my use of reasoning on how to dislodge doubt has turned against me. Now, I must try my hardest to sway feelings away; or must I? I suppose the safest thing to do is to let you think what you want.

So the votes are:

SPM -- 2
Anguirel -- 3

Is that right?

I probably won't be able to post again before the time comes, so I must with a heavy heart cast my vote for ++ANGUIREL even though it is very out of character. Please don't think evil of me... :confused:

bilbo_baggins

[Firefoot]

Alas, it seems too soon to make any decisions without being hasty. Based on such evidence as we have, however, I believe that ++ANGUIREL must be the next to go.

[Kuruharan]

As usual, phantom's reasoning is hard to argue against. I think it is worth a try.

++ANGUIREL

[bilbo_baggins]

Then we have our first victim!

Anguirel, step forward to the noose, if you will, man....

Terribly sorry, BTW, old chum. Didn't mean to look pushy or anything.

It is 6 votes isn't it?

bilbo_baggins

[mormegil]

I'm sorry to see you go Anguirel, but since it seems my vote is moot I will hold my tongue and wish you a pain free death.

[The Barrow-Wight]

With four votes in the last four posts, ANGUIREL's total reaches six, and he is immediately bound and led toward the gallows, with the mob screaming behind him in a maddened frenzy. As he stumbles up the stairs, he looks down on his accusers with a look of horror in his eyes, as if to say "Why?". Tears rolls down his face as the hangman places a burlap sack over his head, and his cries are muffled by his mask as the noose is fit snuggly around his neck. Without fanfare or pause, the lever is pulled and Anguirel falls downward with a sickening thud...

... but not the expected *snap* of the neck...

... though the villagers had braced themselves for their victim's neck to break loudly, they were unprepared for what happened next. Intead of the silence of death, the mob heard a horrible shriek and a wail as if the hounds of hell had been released. Anguirel's body writhed and shook at the end of the rope, and his head rolled back to reveal a ghastly maul of fangs and blood. His arms, tied behind his back, flexed in mounds of monstrous flesh that threatend to break the beast's bonds. But the villagers had tied the knots correctly, just as they had correctly deduced the beast among them.

The entire village cheered as the werewolf slowly choked to death on the shaking gibbet.

Living

mormegil
The Saucepan Man
the phantom
Primrose Bolger
Firefoot
Oddwen
Feanor of the Peredhil
bilbo_baggins
Kuruharan
Mithalwen


Dead
Shelob (Villager) - killed by werewolves during Night 1
Anguirel (Werewolf) - hanged on Day 1

Score
Werewolves: 2
Villagers: 8



NIGHT begins at 6AM tomorrow and ends at 6PM tomorrow evening. There are still two werewolves in the village, and someone is going to die!!

[Kuruharan]

Please allow me to extend my compliments and salute the deductive skills of the phantom, Mithalwen, and Saucepan Man.

Job well done!!

[bilbo_baggins]

What about me? I had him figured out long ago. Good job you voted for him too.

So even if I die tonight, I will tell you all now that I think Feanor was another of the werewolves. But who will be the third? Or did someone vote for another werewolf? Shoot one of your one?

Who will know?

bilbo_baggins

[mormegil]

I'm sorry to see you go Anguirel, but since it seems my vote is moot I will hold my tongue and wish you a pain free death.


Well I recant and hope that it was painful beyond belief you blight to our beautiful village.

[the phantom]

Please allow me to extend my compliments and salute the deductive skills of the phantom, Mithalwen, and Saucepan Man.
Thank you sir.

*bows*

And so, I am proven correct. Anguirel was indeed a werewolf. Whichever one of you is the seer, use your gift wisely during the next night. Most of us are fairly confident that Fea is a wolf, but you can dream about her just to make sure. However, if you are already certain about Fea, then try to discover the third werewolf.
But who will be the third?
Well, I said earlier that I suspected Primrose Bolger, but despite popular belief, I am not entirely infallible.

*sigh* Why do I get the feeling that either Saucy or I will die tonight?

Hey werewolves, you should eat Saucy instead of me. I mean, you wouldn't have to go looking for something to cook him in- he's already wearing all the pans you need. :p

[The Barrow-Wight]

DAY has ended and NIGHT is here. No more talking until 6PM this evening when I will reveal who the werewolves have killed.

*** A reminder***
When you are dead, you are dead, and cannot particpate in public or private discussions. I'm sure players will want to continue to support their team, but the survivors will have to make it on the own.

[The Barrow-Wight]

The villagers awoke to a bright morning, surprised that they had each slept soundly through the night. No noises had kept them from slumber, and even the wind had lain silent, like a warm blanket over a cold nightmare that faded with the stars. When dawn arrived, people slowly emerged from their homes, wondering if the wolfish menace had moved on to another town, scared off by clever inhabitants of the small hamlet. Perhaps Anguirel’s death had convinced them to find easier victims.

Mormegil waved to The Phantom, and both shared a cheerful ‘good morning’ with Primrose Bolger and Firefoot. Together, the four old friends walked around the town, checking in on Oddwen, Feanor, and Bilbo_Baggins. Kuruharan joined the group, and at last even Mithalwen emerged from her tiny but picturesque cottage. Everyone was safe, it seemed.

“Well,” asked someone, “are we missing anyone?”

“Where’s The Saucepan Man?”

“Cooking us a good breakfast, I should hope. Let us go down to the tavern and see.”

Convinced that they had rid themselves of their beastly troubles, the villagers walked to Saucepan’s place with all expectations of a good breakfast and some hot coffee. But when they approached his home, their faces fell, and the horror of the previous day came rushing back like an avalanche of stones.

The Saucepan Man’s front door hung ajar, silent as the night had been, and from inside came no noise or light. They carefully entered, suddenly expecting the worst. But they were surprised to find everything in place and unmolested. The last embers of the evening’s fire glowed dully in the hearth, and a great pan still hung where the Saucepan Man did much of his cooking.

“Perhaps he did make breakfast, after all,” said someone, looking for a plate and some silverware.

But they were wrong. The pan was indeed full of flesh, but when the villagers discovered what was simmering over the dying fire, they all began to scream.


Living

mormegil
the phantom
Primrose Bolger
Firefoot
Oddwen
Feanor of the Peredhil
bilbo_baggins
Kuruharan
Mithalwen


Dead
Shelob (Villager) - mangled by werewolves during Night 1
Anguirel (Werewolf) - hanged on Day 1
The Saucepan Man (Villager) – shredded and simmered by werewolves during Night 2


Score
Werewolves: 2
Villagers: 7



It is now DAY. All players can talk publicly in the thread until 6PM tomorrow evening, when we will hang someone. Of course, if a majority vote is reached earlier, we may get to string someone up before 6PM.

[bilbo_baggins]

ouch

I am very glad that I didn't die, but I am still very sorry for Saucepan Man. What a truly sad way to die. At least we know he was innocent then. Why did Fea then say she heard pans?

I am fairly certain who did it, but to retain my innocence I will withold judgement.

bilbo_baggins

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Fea screamed at the sight before them before falling into a dead faint. The phantom caught her, lowering her to the floor where she slowly came to. Realizing why she was on the floor, she started to tremble, looking into the faces of those likely to lynch her next. She was scared.

Friends... remember when I said I was allied with no-one? Well, I was telling the truth. Is it my fault that Anguirel tried to hide his own guilt behind my innocence? Is there any better way to try and mask your guilt than by taking the side of one not guilty?

I am dreadfully sorry about The Saucepan Man... I feel pretty bad now. And did those werewolves honestly need to come up with such a grisly death? They couldn't just have... I dunno... slit his throat quietly or something? So messy...

But I've been thinking about this all night, when I wasn't sunk into a dreamless and deep sleep... The werewolves wouldn't dream of killing me, not because I am one of them, but because I am conveniently the target you are all fixing on! If they could convince you that I am one of them, than they wouldn't need to kill me... you'd do it for them, leaving them wide open to kill another villager!

But don't take my word for it... I was feeling like Galileo when I went to bed last night... just because I pointed out a scientific fact about wolves, you'll now all think I need to die.

Right now... I've learned my lesson when it comes to accusing with only what I thought I heard for evidence. And since I slept so soundly and didn't even hear the wind... I feel I must hold my tongue when it comes to factless accusations. Passion over-took my common sense yesterday, but today, level-headedness shall prevail... I hope. Unless, of course, you all plan on killing me. In that case, I may just have to make a passionate plea for my innocence.

Now that I think on it, in the wee hours of the night I did see the phantom, before the slaying was discovered, having a private moment with someone online . . .
Primrose, that private moment didn't happen to be around 1:07 AM EST, did it?

[mormegil]

Okay we still have a werewolf among us and we need to eradicate this problem. We were successful yesterday and I hope that we can be so today. We know now that Anguirel was in cahoots so this quote may help in our search of the partner.

Mithalwen has been strangely quiet after her initial inquiries...but surely...it could not be her...after all, she is of the Quendi...isn't she? Still, still, some say they skulk in elf form as well. Let a swift rider be dispatched to Nargothrond to see if the rumours are true.

In the meantime, there is no place for name-calling and prejudice in this village, and, though it pains me to say it, Oddwen's ridiculous and ill-founded lambasting of our friendly neighbourhood warhorse would seem to hint that she is either dangerously rash...or not one of us.

I believe Feanor acted in good faith, out of grief at the stricken spider, who was very dear to her. Accuse her not. She merely tried to do her duty.

What of the phantom? A dread spirit of darkness and wrath; 'twould be no great surprise to find him a visitor at Tol-in-Gaurhoth...

While not fool proof I think we can see that Anguirel supported Firefoot and Feanor. Could it be that she tried to calm our suspicions and throw us off their tracks? What is the opinion of our citizens?

[bilbo_baggins]

Having seen some foolish people not being discreet about PM'ing, (I have done it myself) I think I have some paths to follow. But I name no names for now as I don't want to be completely wrong.

But I will say this: mormegil, I think that either you are very clever and are a werewolf yourself, or (as I think) you are on the right track.

bilbo_baggins

[mormegil]

Alas I am innocent on both accounts of being a werewolf or clever. Merely I thought to check who Anguirel supported and came to conclusions from that. Currently my heart pities poor Feanor and her pleas seem to be that of an innocent. Seem mind you, I'm not certain, but unless I get a good alibi from Firefoot my heart directs me to her being the werewolf among us. Notice how Anguirel affectionally called her the warhorse and avoided saying her very name. Attempt to say a guilty is innocent?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Having seen some foolish people not being discreet about PM'ing, (I have done it myself) I think I have some paths to follow. But I name no names for now as I don't want to be completely wrong.
Yes, I'm a fool. I keep forgetting to ghost myself. Don't bother following this particular path... it was a PM to littlemanpoet discussing my signature. Ask him if you don't believe me.

But I do thank you for not wanting to name names... it shows good faith, and I shall return good faith with good faith.

[bilbo_baggins]

But I do thank you for not wanting to name names... it shows good faith, and I shall return good faith with good faith.


Does this mean you won't kill me if you really are a werewolf? :)

bilbo_baggins

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Maybe.

Or it just means that I won't vote to get you lynched right away.

You know how these things go.

[Kuruharan]

...Where is the pan that was boiling?


Or it just means that I won't vote to get you lynched right away.

How charitable of you...

If I may venture an opinion.

I don't think that all this preliminary thrashing about is really doing anybody any good. I think it is best to wait until the phantom and Mithalwen post with their ideas before we all start randomly running about like a bunch of headless chickens. After all, they, along with poor Saucepan alas!, were right the first time. I think, in recognition of that, it is only fair that we give them first crack (or at least something vaguely approximating first crack) at the new situation. After they have expressed their views...then we can start randomly running about like a bunch of headless chickens.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

All quotes from the phantom:

Now, keeping that in mind, the primary suspects appear to be Fea and Anguirel. However, it is a known fact that werewolves kill their own families and dearest friends first, so that puts Fea in the clear since I, her very dear friend, am still alive.
My first qualm with this is that, as tp says, we've got the very dear friend thing going, and I know him well. Why would tp say something as obviously unfactual as that wolves prey on their families? He's brilliant. He knows better, or at least, should. Although he seems to be saying this to clear my name, I'm just having trouble seeing the phantom so blatantly wrong. It just doesn't happen. Which leads me to think that maybe it was a Freudian slip.

What's this, Fea? I tried to shift some guilt off of you onto Anguirel and then you poke a hole in my reasoning? It seems you are willing to protect Anguirel, even if it puts you at greater risk.
Take that thinking a little bit farther: it seems, my friend, that your willingness to protect me puts you at the most risk, given that I am currently at the top of the list of those under suspicion. Why would you be willing to protect me, although it may be for the simple reason of friendship? Given your intellect, I would think more that you would well know the danger this puts you in.

And for you people who are suspecting me... you big sillies. You know me better than that. The victim (Shelob) was mangled beyond recognition. That is not my style. If Shelob would've been found with absolutely no marks on her and with a taunting letter in her pocket, then I would be the primary suspect, but a messy bloody killing- uhg, definitely not me. I hate it when one of my cloaks gets stained.
Of course we know you better than that. That's why nobody in their right mind would suspect you. And, like I've said, you of all people would know that. Why in the world would your M.O. for a brutal crime be something that could be immediately traced to you?

This is all horrible evidence, and I admit that freely. But I still have this lurking suspicion. I'm am not accusing anybody... all I wanted to put in the open is that the phantom is not being his usual annoyingly accurate and makes-you-want-to-slap-him self. He usually thinks this sort of thing through.

I believe that Anguirel and Fea are both werewolves.
I believe that either the phantom honestly believes that I'm a werewolf, or he's trying to deflect the blame onto me when he knows perfectly well that he is the one we should lynch.

Just thoughts...

[Kuruharan]

I realize that I am asking for a statement of the obvious, but I'd still like to have it said just to make sure there are no misunderstandings on down the line.

I assume the necessary vote is five now...

Thanks.

[The Barrow-Wight]

You are correct, Kuruharan. With the village reduced to nine residents, five votes is a majority vote and enough to lynch someone.

[Firefoot]

mormegil, I do not understand your unfounded accusations of me. Yes, Anguirel did support me, though it was by no doing of mine. Perhaps he, being a werewolf, saw that there would be some value in keeping me around, or did not perceive me as a threat. Clearly this was not so as I myself helped vote him out. You might say that this was to cover my own skin, as bilbo_baggins suggested someone might do. But why would I do this if there was already some suspicion over me? Especially if we were, as you suggest, in league with Fea, who is also under a great deal of suspicion. After all, there are only three werewolves and many more villagers. If we supposed-werewolves were all in danger, would we not do our best to keep ourselves around? I thought so.

Back to Anguirel's support of me. It is clear that Anguirel was very insecure in his position as a werewolf. He did a great deal of thrashing around and blindly accusing and defending people. Perhaps he had some strategy that he thought would work, perhaps to confuse others as to his true allies? After all, why would he bring deliberate and obvious aid to both his own teammates?

I have done nothing to you, mormegil, to make you feel the need to thrash out at me. I have done very little accusing and none to you, and even that was more of commenting than accusing. My guess is that one of those whom I pointed out as being dangerous (Fea or phantom) is actually one of your werewolf comrades. Of course they would not attack me directly, but by having you do it, it would cover their tracks. I also notice that you did not actually vote at all; rather you originally wished Anguirel a pain-free death, which wish you then conspicuously changed after the fact to a wish for a painful beyond belief death. What better deal could you get? You didn't have to vote out one of your own, and you even got to make yourself look good doing it! I have yet to hear a convincing alibi from you, other than "I'm innocent!" Most of your work has been accusing others.

I do not wish to accuse you, but as you seem bent on accusing me, I am led to believe that your only reason for doing so is that you somehow feel threatened by me.

[the phantom]

Why would tp say something as obviously unfactual as that wolves prey on their families?
Not wolves necessarily- werewolves kill the ones they love. If you want it in writing, just look here (http://www.greencine.com/webCatalog?id=4144) at this plot summary of the 1994 movie "Wolf". It specifically mentions the fact that werewolves kill the ones they love, so don't even try to say that my statement was unfounded.
your willingness to protect me puts you at the most risk, given that I am currently at the top of the list of those under suspicion. Why would you be willing to protect me, although it may be for the simple reason of friendship? Given your intellect, I would think more that you would well know the danger this puts you in.
I protected you for a few reasons.
1 I was more sure of Anguirel than I was of you
2 I didn't want people to split their votes between you and Anguirel. That would have left open the possibility that neither of you would get lynched. I wanted to put forth one single clear-cut candidate to unite the other townspeople.
3 Since there was a chance, however small, that I was wrong, I wanted to kill Anguirel rather than you since you are such a good friend (no harm intended Ang, you're cool too ;) ).
the phantom is not being his usual annoyingly accurate and makes-you-want-to-slap-him self
Yes I am. Ask the dead werewolf.

Here's a breakdown of who is left and what I think of them.

mormegil- fairly suspicious
the phantom- not a werewolf
Primrose Bolger- fairly suspicious
Firefoot- not too suspicious
Oddwen- a tiny bit suspicious
Feanor of the Peredhil- very suspicious
bilbo_baggins- not too suspicious
Kuruharan- not too suspicious
Mithalwen- not too suspicious

That's all I have time for right now. I will post some reasons why as well as more thoughts later on tonight (four or five hours from now).

[Primrose Bolger]

Poor Saucy! Sorry to say I thought badly of him and did think he might be one of the Werewolves.

I have to say that in the end, I was swayed by the phantom’s logic. He really was right about Anguirel. And I found him persuasive about Feanor of the Peredhil.

Perhaps we should go with his previous recommendation. Since Anguirel has been eliminated, let’s choose the phantom’s other choice, FotP.

I am saddened that anyone would think me a ravening beast . . . far from it . . . far from it . . . and that’s the truth . . .

-o- Primrose :(

[Kuruharan]

Ahh...how does the saying go?

"the phantom has posted...we now have some groundings for assertions." ;)

However, since Mithalwen was also one of the first to get it right, I'm going to wait before charging off pell mell in all directions at once.

[mormegil]

Firefoot I will respond to your defense and seeming accusations later in about 3 to 4 hours.

[mormegil]

mormegil, I do not understand your unfounded accusations of me

Unfounded you say? I believe I have presented the only credible evidence that we have available to us and you call it unfounded. I will let our intelligent community decide on that point.

Yes, Anguirel did support me, though it was by no doing of mine. Perhaps he, being a werewolf, saw that there would be some value in keeping me around, or did not perceive me as a threat.

Exactly, you weren't a threat to him and there is a great value for keeping you around. I think Anguirel was too careless in his words and you seeing this folly attempted to cover your tracks by voting him to be lynched, knowing that a near majority had been reached and by so voting you could hope to absolve yourself of a partnership with him.

If we supposed-werewolves were all in danger, would we not do our best to keep ourselves around? I thought so.

And that is what was attempted by Ang and yourself. As stated when you saw him already marching to the noose you voted for him. As you mentioned I abstained from voting and made it clear that my vote is irrelevant because majority had been reached. However, are we to think that a werewolf is above sacrificing a friend to save her own skin?


Most of your work has been accusing others.

This is in reference to me obviously and I submit that I am one of the few who is trying to look for actual evidence and solve our mystery. Our dear Saucepan Man was another. I think I have only accused one person and that would be you. With the others it was more of a question and not accusation.


I do not wish to accuse you, but as you seem bent on accusing me, I am led to believe that your only reason for doing so is that you somehow feel threatened by me.

I most definitely feel threatened by you. Much as anybody would be a werewolf.

My fellow citizens I implore you to take a look at the facts and weigh them accordingly. Firefoot has been supported by Ang. Jumped on the bandwagon to save her own wooly hide and is attempting to confuse reason and logic with naught but rubbish and lies. Now I have taken a bold stance and spoken plainly about the case and I expect in one way or another to be dead by tomorrow. I urge you to vote Firefoot and the remaining wolf will attack me tonight. If I am lynched however you will find that I am innocent and only trying to protect this town from murderers. I am willing to put my own life on the line for justice and the betterment of our society. My vote is for ++FIREFOOT

[the phantom]

Okay... I promised I would give some explanations for my suspicions, so here they are.

Mormegil-
In the first round, he listed his suspects as Ang, Fea, Firefoot, and I. It is possible that he included Ang and Fea on his guilt list to make himself look good in case they were indeed executed (which seemed likely at the time), and perhaps he rather would've seen Ff or I lynched. In the next post, Morm says that he doesn't suspect Fea any more (a retraction), he doesn't mention Ang (an omission), but he still names Ff and I as suspects. If Ang and Fea are both werewolves, it is entirely possible that Morm initially accused them to make himself look guiltless in case they were killed and took his accusations back in hopes that his werewolf pals wouldn't actually be killed. Morm never cast a vote either. Was he trying to remain unsoiled, or could he not bring himself to cast a stone at a fellow werewolf? And now, he has voted for Firefoot. To me, his anti-Firefoot reasoning is not all that solid. It is possible that he is desperately trying to find an alternative to Fea for people to vote for (assuming that Fea is the other wolf).

Primrose Bolger-
I found it odd that Prim accused the same three people (Saucy, Bilbo, and I) as Ang and Fea. Was she just going with the flow, or was she in league with them? She didn't cast a vote either. Was she not anxious to lynch anyone, or was she lying low? Also, in her last post, she gave an innocent sounding farewell to Saucy (she "did think he might be one of the werewolves"), and she also made an effort to get on my good side and suggested that we follow my plan of lynching Fea. Is she willing to cast a stone at her sister-wolf because she figures she's gone anyway? But if Prim is a wolf and the other is someone like Morm, then she's obviously only wanting to go along with me because it would result in killing an innocent Fea.

Firefoot-
She hasn't done much to gain my attention and she also voted to kill a werewolf. Perhaps she thought that it was a done deal and that she would cast a vote to make her look innocent, but that doesn't seem right somehow. She went along with it too easily.

Oddwen-
Oddwen's immediate vote for Firefoot might be suspicious to some, but the way it was written and when it was cast... I think Odd was just having a spot of fun (Odd later took the vote back). Oddwen hasn't posted much either, and didn't vote. I can't completely rule Oddwen out as perhaps a werewolf trying to lay low, but I don't think that's right.

Fea-
As I pointed out on day one, Fea and Ang seemed to be working together, and Ang was proven to be a monster. This places Fea firmly as the number one hanging candidate. If she is not a werewolf, the wolves for sure wouldn't kill her since she takes suspicion off of them onto her own shoulders, but does that somehow cancel out her incriminating behavior?

Bilbo-
From the beginning Bilbo generally seemed to be thinking along the same lines as me, and when the voting was still up in the air (between Ang and Saucy), Bilbo voted to lynch the true werewolf. Of course, it is technically possible that Bilbo is a wolf, but I seriously doubt it.

Kuru-
Kuru has remained calm and level headed, but is this simply a ploy? During Day 1, he voted for Anguirel, but only when one more vote was required (in other words, Ang's demise was already inevitable). Perhaps Kuru thought that if he got in a quick anti-wolf vote that it would get people's eyes off of him. The only person he really implicated during day one was Fea. He was willing to go along with the "kill Ang, then kill Fea" plan, but perhaps only because Ang was going to die anyway and he knew that Fea was an innocent townsperson. So I definitely can't rule Kuru out- I know he's smart enough to pull one over on us- but for now I would lynch others before Kuru.

Mith-
Mith made good points and was the second to vote for Anguirel. That was a risky strategy for a werewolf. At that point in the game, the innocent Saucy was on his way to the chopper. Mith is perhaps the most innocent in my mind (next to myself, of course).

the phantom-
Fea's assertion that I am guilty lies somewhere between improbable and impossible. I was the first to vote for Anguirel. When the voting was still undecided, I made this (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=388649&postcount=118) anti-Anguirel post, which was quickly followed by a torrent of votes and Anguirel's hanging.

Also, Fea is the last person who should accuse me. Ang and Fea were both in the same boat on day 1. Had I desired, I easily could have switched their places in my posts and said "today hang Fea, tomorrow hang Anguirel". Now- if I am really a wolf and Fea is truly innocent, why in the world would I have passed up a free opportunity to kill an innocent person- a free pass for all three werewolves to move into the next round? Not to mention that if Fea was hung and found out to be a common person, much of the blame placed on Anguirel would then be lifted, which would definitely be good for the wolves. But instead of doing that, I lead the charge to kill my fellow wolf? No way. I'm smarter than that. There is no way that I am a wolf and Fea is innocent. It doesn't work. As a matter of fact, it is more likely that we both are werewolves (which I hope you all see as highly unlikely).

The most obvious choice is that Fea is a wolf and I am not. The second best choice is that we are both innocent. Neither of those choices include phantom=wolf.

There- I've said my piece. Now, let us see what Mith has to say.

[Firefoot]

mormegil - I see that you refuse to read my defense with an open mind. Rather, you (mis)interpreted all that I said to fit your accusation that I am a werewolf, calling my words "rubbish" and "lies." They are neither, but in light of your current stance I refuse to argue with you about my innocence for two reasons: 1) I believe I have said all that I need to prove my innocence in my first post, and 2) all that I say will merely be twisted by you into "evidence of my guilt" anyway.

That being said, I have some points to make about you. For one thing, your primary grounds of assault have been my supposed associations with Anguirel. You claim his defense of me is proof of our alliance, yet Anguirel also defended Fea, and you now claim that you believe Fea to be innocent. This, I would say, is hypocrisy. Additionally, if you are to make the claim that the defense of another person is a sign of wolvish comradery, I would point out that you are doing the very same in defending Fea. Fea, who, might I add, is the current primary suspect for being a werewolf and was also defended by Anguirel.

You are clever, mormegil, very clever. But I think you to be also hasty. You claim that you seek justice and the betterment of society, yet would not one who seeks to do just that wait and review all the evidence with an open mind?

I do not yet cast my vote, but know that you are a fair candidate, whether this time around or the next.

[mormegil]

I do not yet cast my vote, but know that you are a fair candidate, whether this time around or the next.

Oh don't worry, I know that by sticking my neck out this far I would be liable to die soon. As you point out I may die this time (lynching) or next (Werewolf killing).

My attitude toward Fea has lessened, but I don't think she is clear. One might still hold suspicions of somebody but set that aside to single out somebody he has much more suspicion of so as to more fully focus his attention.

Firefoot-
She hasn't done much to gain my attention and she also voted to kill a werewolf. Perhaps she thought that it was a done deal and that she would cast a vote to make her look innocent, but that doesn't seem right somehow. She went along with it too easily.

--Phantom


Phantom don't you think that is a perfect ploy of the guilty, to not draw too much attention to herself and yet appear that she is actively participating. She only voted for Ang when she knew that there was not saving him.

[Firefoot]

Phantom don't you think that is a perfect ploy of the guilty, to not draw too much attention to herself and yet appear that she is actively participating. She only voted for Ang when she knew that there was not saving him. I want you to note something. The last four votes for Anguirel (SpM, bilbo_baggins, me, and Kuruharan) all happened within a half hour of each other, and not much time after phantom proposed his plan of Anguirel then Fea. I actually cross-posted with bilbo, so my vote would actually have been the fourth. I do not call this no chance to save Anguirel.

[The Barrow-Wight]

Noon has passed and night approaches, and the accusations are flying, but I want to remind everyone again of the rules. This is not an accusation of anyone, just a reminder, but if you are guilty, please refrain.

1) Only werewolves may talk in private about this game.
2) When you are dead, you are out of the game and cannot help or give comment or advice.

I know people are enthusiastic about this game, but to have it played out correctly, these two rules must be strictly followed. Violators will be barrow-wighted.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Now- if I am really a wolf and Fea is truly innocent, why in the world would I have passed up a free opportunity to kill an innocent person- a free pass for all three werewolves to move into the next round?
Sacrificing one for the good of the many, my dear friend. Because you know perfectly well that, with me as the prime suspect, suspicion is taken away, temporarily thought it may be, from almost everyone else! If you are a werewolf, than you know also that you can kill me at any time, that people aren't going to believe me anyways, that I'm probably going to get lynched. You would sacrifice Anguirel in hopes that it would raise suspicion against me even higher, which, go figure, it did! So now, no matter who I vote for, whether I'm certain they're guilty or not, nobody will believe me, except perhaps mormegil, who claims to believe me innocent. And that's another thing... why does mormegil believe me innocent when nobody else does? Is he the seer? That would be nice, because then I'd know he's not a lying, cheating werewolf (because only werewolves and the seer know who's innocent). But he's making a target of himself to remark on my innocence. Better to go with the flow and say nice, apologetic words, and cry a lot at my funeral.

The idea is, since I'm almost guaranteed to die at the hands of my fellow innocents, why waste a good midnight murdering on me? If you've got a gut instinct that you know I'll be right about my accusations (sorry again, Saucy), than you'd want people to discount my opinions. I work excellently as a good facade for the werewolves because suspicion is already there. They need not worry about being voted off. The villiagers will take me, and they will have another night to ransack our people!

And besides that, I wasn't accusing anybody. See? I even wrote it last night:

I'm am not accusing anybody...
Now,

The most obvious choice is that Fea is a wolf and I am not. The second best choice is that we are both innocent. Neither of those choices include phantom=wolf.
Oh stop that. I've already told you I'm innocent. Go ahead and kill me. I hope you all feel bad when you hear my neck snap. This is just like the Salem witch trials... You drown the suspect and if they die, sorry, we'll pray a lot for you, and if you live, you're a witch! It's kind of a backwards way of proving innocence, y'all.

Right now I'm in a quandry... I must be leaving soon, and I'm not sure if I'll be back before the day is up. So I must vote. I am all torn up about the phantom. While in my heart I want to believe that he's innocent, there are a few loose ends that just won't tie up. He knows that I wanted Saucy lynched... I said so myself. And who got killed last night?

What's a better way to keep suspicion on me than to kill the one that I wanted dead?

Hey werewolves, you should eat Saucy instead of me. I mean, you wouldn't have to go looking for something to cook him in- he's already wearing all the pans you need. :p
The phantom isn't ghosted. We already know that. This looks like it could be a covert way to communicate with his fellows that would draw no suspicion. After all, better to hide in the open, and all that. And besides... they did EXACTLY what the phantom suggested. It could be a coincidence... but I'm not sure.

And he told us that he's played this game before... he knows all about playing mind games. His thinking is deep, and you can't put much past him. I don't want to kill you, tp, but I don't want to die. You seem to be the leader of the let's kill Fea group, and that puts you on my bad side at the moment.

I doubt that you are the seer, since I'm innocent, and you're so eager to kill me off. A seer wouldn't try so hard to kill a plain old villager. So either you're just an outspoken villager, or you're a werewolf who's playing mind games with me and the rest.

Either way fits you so darned well, it's difficult. And that's another thing... Everybody, this is directed to you. There is a difference between being outspoken and being guilty. Remember that.

Since I have to go now, I must regretfully put forth that I believe ++the phantom is one of the bad guys. No hard feelings, ol' chum. Many apologies if I'm wrong. Seer, would you please check on this theory during the night? I only wish I had time to follow the rest of the day's discussion, but I really must be off. RL calls.

But since I doubt I'll be home when the lynching occurs, here are my last words a little in advance, if indeed you kill me:

"Ha. Ha. Ha. You were wrong, and I'm laughing at you. Yes, you. You should have believed me when I claimed my innocence, and I hope you feel incredibly guilty. Now that I'm dead, and you see that I'm innocent, I hope you kill the phantom. He's a danger to you, I think. I'm currently thumbing my nose at you all. It's been a pleasure."

If you don't kill me, bear in mind that neither will the werewolves. Why destroy something perfect when it's working so well for you?

[Mithalwen]

My thoughts are all bewildered - partly because I had it in my stupid head that there were only 2 werewolves and the knowledge that there is 3 blew holes in all my theories - some of which alas involved the late Saucepan man - I had thought the concerted attack on him might be a cunning plan.

Now I fear that the accuracy of my original analysis (kindly recognised by some of my fellow villagers) may mark me out as the next victim. Therefore I'm torn between keeping my own counsel to preserve my own skin or speaking out for the greater good of the community.

However, I must admit to a certain amount of activity on the PM front yesterday evening. Having got confused over time differences I was passing the time with an uninvolved downer while waiting to see who had been killed. Yes I am bad at numbers but I am dyspraxic, I can't help it. Since it was nothing to do with this, I didn't think to conceal my activity - and the innocent has nothing to hide. No doubt I would have taken more pains otherwise. I am going to review the evidence and give you my thoughts such as they are. I find the burden hard for to kill an innocent would be a indelible stain on the conscience. I have little reason to fear the noose at the moment but I do fear claw and tooth. Remember that logic and reason is the enemy of these beasts. they will seek to create division and suspicion, and as our numbers reduce the easier it will be to find a majority.

[mormegil]

I want you to note something. The last four votes for Anguirel (SpM, bilbo_baggins, me, and Kuruharan) all happened within a half hour of each other, and not much time after phantom proposed his plan of Anguirel then Fea. I actually cross-posted with bilbo, so my vote would actually have been the fourth. I do not call this no chance to save Anguirel.

The difference was a matter of two minutes and it made you the 5th of 6. I don't think that is a cross post especially in looking at the short length of your post. 15 to 30 seconds to fire that off. My theory is that you were waiting to see who would post next and take the 5th vote when you knew hope was lost. Also it could give you the defense of "cross posting"

[Primrose Bolger]

Now that I'm dead, and you see that I'm innocent, I hope you kill the phantom. He's a danger to you, I think. I'm currently thumbing my nose at you all. It's been a pleasure. --- FotP

A pleasure killing us perhaps . . .

To my mind,

++ Feanor of the Peredhil,

acting in concert with Anguirel, and one as yet unknown beast, did do grievous hurt to 2 of my fellow villagers.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

While nothing has changed to allay my suspicions of the phantom, I feel the need to make a list much like everyone else is doing these days.

mormegil- I think mormegil is the seer. I say this because of what I've already said... he's the only one to put forth that he thinks I'm innocent. That's a danger to him, but if he knows that I'm innocent, he would try to keep me alive any how.

the phantom- either, like me, an outspoken villiager, or a werewolf that's playing mind games with us all. The latter is more to my perception of him, but really, this whole game, to me, is trying to figure out who The B-W would choose to mess with us all. Either Wighty chose the phantom because of his skills at messing with us, or he didn't choose him, for the same reason.

Primrose Bolger- suspicious only because of my lack of suspicion. How did she manage to escape my attention?

Firefoot- I'm not particularly suspicious of her. I don't think she's guilty, but I'm not sure. She has valid disagreements, and I have no reason to claim she lies.

Oddwen- the only proof against her is shady at best. She's done nothing to draw my attention, and really, I'm more likely to think her innocent than not.

Feanor of the Peredhil- Grr. Haha. Just joking. Quite obviously I'm not going to say I'm a werewolf. I understand why you all suspect me, but I do wish you would take what I say at face value. But then again, I could just be screwing with you. You never know. Which makes this so much fun. But think of what you know of me: if I was a werewolf, I'd be trying much harder to make you suspect me, just because then you would start thinking things like "Wait... no werewolf in her right mind would actually try to die" and so think me innocent and just stupid. Anyhow, I'm innocent, and that's that. No worries.

bilbo_baggins- I'm vaguely suspicious. Not so much as with the phantom, but certainly enough. I'm not even sure why. Gut instinct, really. And if you'll remember, at first I defended bilbo. My evidence was shaky, but I'm not sure if I've seen anything to really convince me one way or another.

Kuruharan- maybe a werewolf. I'm pretty suspicious, but not definitively.

Mithalwen- She's so darned logical. It's messing with my head. ;) I think she might be another werewolf, but I'm not sure of it.

Do with my musings what you desire, but my vote remains for the phantom.

[mormegil]

In careful review of what Fea has said up to this point my dubiety has been minimized. I have come to this conclusion because I can sense that she is very distraught at this and was emotionally moved to be so outspoken. My suspicions are turned elsewhere.

Feanor, I never said I thought you to be innocent. I did say that I didn't view you as suspicious. I currently feel that we have a much stronger case, based on the evidence I presented, against Firefoot than we do on you. It is interesting to me though that in your list the only one, besides yourself, that you don't have any suspicions of is Firefoot. Look at the evidence more meticulously and you may see the reason for my suspicion.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Currently my heart pities poor Feanor and her pleas seem to be that of an innocent. Seem mind you, I'm not certain, but unless I get a good alibi from Firefoot my heart directs me to her being the werewolf among us.
Okay, sorry. Not "innocent", but seemingly innocent.

And I've been meticulously reviewing yours and Firefoot's heated arguements, and I felt them to be pretty innocent on both sides. You accuse each other, but only because the idea is that if s/he's accusing me, s/he must be guilty and trying to hide it.

And really, mormegil, do you want me to think you're a werewolf?

[Mithalwen]

Mithalwen- She's so darned logical. It's messing with my head. ;) I think she might be another werewolf, but I'm not sure of it.

.

If I were a werewolf, it is unlikely I would have highlighted evidence against Anguirel and voted promptly. If you look at my early posts I also stated that I was unsure of the Saucepan man. If I were a werewolf I would have known him to be innocent and so could easily have fanned the flames.

I am in great confusion still, and like Fea, the issue of the seer is in my mind. Whoever it is knows for sure either someon is innocent or someone is guilty. I had wondered if Fea was the seer but her wrongful accusation of the Panman disproves this. I will review again but my heart is heavy - I fear that I will be in Mandos' keeping before dawn. Logic tends to get you slain...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Valid points, Mith. You appease me.

[the phantom]

I, like Mith, wish for the seer's guidance. Unfortunately, the seer would be killed for giving his/her identity away, so I am afraid we will have to do without.

Mormegil has sort of been ignoring the whole Fea thing and has gone after Firefoot with guns blazing. Does this mean Morm=seer, Firefoot=werewolf, Fea=innocent? Or does it mean Morm=werewolf, Firefoot=innocent, Fea=(?)?

I don't know. That's why this game is difficult.

But it is time to decide.

A vote for me, eh Fea? There are three explanations for this.

1) You are the seer, I am the werewolf, and you know I am guilty.
2) You are a werewolf trying to kill an innocent.
3) You are a villager trying to kill a werewolf.

Option #3 would require you to be very illogical in your thinking. In this (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=388863&postcount=152) post I made my case quite clearly. The phantom=werewolf fea=innocent does not make sense. My logic is irrefutable. If you are indeed an innocent villager thinking that I am a werewolf, it appears I gave you credit for having more brains than you actually have (you're still pretty, of course ;) ).

Option #1 is not true. There is no way you know I am a werewolf. Why? Because I'm not one. The seer is still out there, and so they also know that option #1 is not true because there is only one seer.

Option #2 is the most believable.

I'm sorry Fea. I would love to keep you in the game, but I have no choice but to vote ++ Feanor of the Peredhil. You were already under suspicion, and now your dedication to lynching me despite all logical reason has forced me to stick with the "today Anguirel, tomorrow Fea" plan.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Oh come on, if you want sheer, untainted logic, look at your own words:

1) You are the seer, I am the werewolf, and you know I am guilty.
2) You are a werewolf trying to kill an innocent.
3) You are villager trying to kill a werewolf.
By your own admission, I have a 2/3 chance of being right. That puts you at 1/3. In any other situation, who's more likely to be believed?

Oh, and phantom... Just so you know, if you get me killed and it turns out I'm innocent, which I am, I hope you die next. :D

[mormegil]

Phantom, I am not ignoring the Fea arguement I merely think that the evidence more fully implicates Firefoot. I still have suspicion on Feanor and it is growing with each post, however I feel much more strongly that Firefoot is the one we need to hang. I will not say please reconsider your vote because if Fea is hung and she is a wolf it will implicate me. But, as I have said I do have suspicion on her but not as much as I do to Firefoot.

[the phantom]

In any other situation, who's more likely to be believed?
But this is not "any other situation". We're talking about me, here, and I am always to be believed no matter what the odds are. If the entire world out-voted me 6 billion to 1, I would still bet that I was right.
Just so you know, if you get me killed and it turns out I'm innocent, which I am, I hope you die next.
How could you say that?? Our poor children- why... they'd be without both of their parents in a village overrun with werewolves. Only a wolf could be so heartless.

Actually, if you turn out to be innocent, then I could very well be the next to go, unless the seer dreams about me tonight (or already did) and defends me well.

And Morm, thanks for the clarification.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

How could you say that?? Our poor children- why... they'd be without both of their parents in a village overrun with werewolves. Only a wolf could be so heartless.
Come off it. If you are right, and I am a werewolf, it would be your own fault for marrying me in the first place. If you are wrong, which you are, this is pure and simple retribution.

But, I'm going to try one last (actually, it probably won't be last) heart-felt plea.

Listen to me: I was wrong about The Saucepan Man, and I could very well be wrong about the phantom. But I'm not wrong about myself. It's only common sense that the werewolves would frame me. If you kill me, it's less work for them. They'll have tonight to go and kill another innocent. They already know I'm not a seer, since I screwed up so badly with Saucie. They'll let you kill me and try their luck on someone else.

[mormegil]

The seer defense doesn't work so well. If you are the seer you would only dream of one person. Therefore if you didn't choose SpM to dream about you wouldn't know of his guilt or innocence.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Wow, morm, you're right. But my reasoning still works. The werewolves are going to let you guys kill me and then kill someone else besides, that way they get two free shots to try and get rid of the seer. At the very least, two innocents will die if you let it happen.

[Mithalwen]

I am torn but I must decide, I have my doubts about Primrose, a little unease about Kuruhuran's reticence but my choice is between Feanor and Firefoot. Yesterday I was convinced that I would vote for Fea if Anguirel was guilty and i survived the night, but now I am uncertain. I do have to take into consideration that Fea might be innocent ... I am not convinced but I am giving her the benefit of the doubt and voting ++FIREFOOT

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

As it is, the votes stand thus:

Firefoot: 2
the phantom: 1
FotP: 2

I recommend you stop voting for me. I'm going to die, and then you're going to feel bad for calling me a liar.

[the phantom]

Actually, a tie between Fea and Firefoot wouldn't be a bad thing. It would give us time to think more about what Morm has been saying about Firefoot, and reconsider Fea's pleas.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

It would give us time to think more about what Morm has been saying about Firefoot, and reconsider Fea's pleas.
Hark? Do I hear the dulcet tones of the phantom's mind racing? Could he be... broadening his horizens? Learning new things? I'm still not so sure of Firefoot's guilt, but if the majority thinks her a werewolf, I may have to jump onto the bandwagon. After all, I've been wrong before.

[Kuruharan]

Oh crap! Our two luminaries are disagreeing.

I'm...actually...rather confused.

I don't suppose it would be too much trouble to ask everyone to restate their cases in a nice clean manner?

We still have an hour left, at least, I think we still have an hour left its only about 4:00 where I live. I think we have 'till 5:00 my time (Central US).

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Sure thing, Kuru.

They think I'm guilty for the same reasons as yesterday. Mostly because I talk too much, and because every time I said something, Anguirel agreed with me, making it look like we were playing off each other. I assure you, we weren't.

I think the phantom bears watching because of a few loose ends: he's really smart, but is overlooking important things that should be obvious. Also, the werewolves killed the Saucepan Man exactly the way that he mentioned. I remarked that it was possible that the phantom's seemingly harmless comment about killing Saucie could have been a covert way of talking to his fellow werewolves.

I really have no idea why they want Firefoot to die. Somebody else would be happy to inform you, I'm sure.

[the phantom]

You are so needy, Kuru! :p

I picked Fea because-

1) She seemed linked to Anguirel, a known werewolf, on day one. She backed up his accusations, he backed up hers, and she put herself at risk to deflate an argument of mine that took blame off of her onto Anguirel.
2) She is accusing me of being a werewolf, which not only defies reason, but is something I know to be false.

I've gone back and read Morm's attacks and I suppose I would be willing to give Firefoot a try.

Of course, if it turns out to be wrong, I'm going after Fea (or perhaps Morm).

[mormegil]

I have made a rather long case and would ask that you reread my posts. I will, however, summarize my findings. There is some suspicion of Feanor, which I uphold but that phantom is spearheading. There has been this suspicion since the first day but doesn't seem to be founded on much evidence albeit there is some and she appears to be somebody to watch.

I have attempted to lay out an organized and imformative case against Firefoot. She was supported by Ang and it was done in a more subtle way. Mind you the Feanor was also supported by not as subtly. Firefoot jumped on the guilty bandwagon when there was little hope of Ang being saved. I aver that this was in an attempt to give herself a defense. Yet she never said she suspected anybody. Firefoot has been playing it cool and yet not keeping herself out of the posting activity. In her posts she has avoided giving offense or standing out? Why? Because she doesn't want the spot light to be on her.

Please review our suspects and vote accordingly.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

1) She seemed linked to Anguirel, a known werewolf, on day one. She backed up his accusations, he backed up hers, and she put herself at risk to deflate an argument of mine that took blame off of her onto Anguirel.

Like you said, "seemed". I really wasn't, it just looked that way. As for deflation... I thought I was simply pointing out scientific fact about wolves being pack-oriented. I thought everyone knew that.

2) She is accusing me of being a werewolf, which not only defies reason, but is something I know to be false.
I'm suspicious by nature, my friend. I don't know it to be false, but I do know that you're doing the same to me. I'm innocent, but you're insisting I'm not. Hence my wanting you to die a gruesome death as revenge.

I've gone back and read Morm's attacks and I suppose I would be willing to give Firefoot a try.
So does that mean you're changing your vote?

I must say, with all these people thinking that Firefoot is the guilty one, I think I might be missing something. Since the phantom is as adament of his innocence as I am of mine, I think I must, for now, admit that I may be wrong about --the phantom and that everyone else is right, and ++Firefoot is a werewolf.

[Kuruharan]

You are so needy, Kuru!

Your point? ;)

but is overlooking important things that should be obvious

Like what? This is exactly my point! Everyone has been throwing around accusations, choosing their victims seemingly at random, using only dark hints and spurrious mutterings to support their cases (when they've deigned to explain themselves at all), moving off to accuse anybody who questions them, and whining about their own innocence at the top of their voices.

I quite frankly had expected a little more from Mithalwen. Instead, I get a *swoop* "Firefoot's guilty!!" *flash* *BANG* ...gone. That is not much to build a case on, as our dearly departed Saucepan Man could tell us.

EDIT: And another thing: Where's Oddwen and bilbo_baggins gone off to?

[the phantom]

Mind you the Feanor was also supported by not as subtly.
Yes, Ang was certainly not hiding his support of Fea. Usually when playing this game, I would not see that as a true link. It is a smart idea for wolves to bind themselves to innocents. But because this was a brand new game here on the Downs, I figured the wolves wouldn't act too clever the first game, but that they would act ridiculously obvious until everyone got settled into the game and its nuances.

Perhaps that assumption was incorrect. Maybe Anguirel or one of the other wolves was already an experienced "Mafia" player and instructed the pack to associate closely with innocents.

Good points, Morm.
Everyone has been throwing around accusations, choosing their victims seemingly at random, using only dark hints and spurrious mutterings to support their cases (when they've deigned to explain themselves at all), moving off to accuse anybody who questions them, and whining about their own innocence at the top of their voices.
You had better not be hinting at me!
Instead, I get a *swoop* "Firefoot's guilty!!" *flash* *BANG* ...gone.
Well, I might know why Mith did that.

The two most convincing guilt arguments have been me accusing Fea and Morm accusing Firefoot. Mith even stated that Fea and Ff were her two choices. And so, she has allowed her friendship with Fea to break the tie and vote for Firefoot.

That might end up happening with me, too.

But yes- where are Oddwen and Bilbo?

[the phantom]

I just realized how late it was. I have someplace to be.

In the interest of moving the game along, I'll buy Morm's argument and change my vote from - - Feanor of the Peredhil to + + Firefoot.

If you are innocent, Firefoot- sorry.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Kuru, here's my first post (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=388827&postcount=143)outlining my doubts of the phantom.
This is my second (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=388891&postcount=157) one.

Regardless of the fact that I've changed my vote in light of the fact that I could be wrong, I do still think that the phantom bears watching.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Unless I've miscounted, the votes currently stand thus:

Firefoot: 4

FotP: 1

As I myself also have somewhere to be, I must depart. I hope you'll take my words of wisdom to heart.

[Kuruharan]

Well, at this point, there is no virtue in holding off the inevitable.

I'm not convinced...but, hey, there's always next game for people who are hung mistakenly.

++ FIREFOOT

[Firefoot]

Well, doesn't this make me sad. I've been gone for a few hours (out of necessity) only to come back to find out I've been convicted. *Sigh* It was nice knowing you all... well, most of you all... *coughcoughmormegilcoughcough*

:( :D

[The Barrow-Wight]

With the damning vote cast, the villagers immediately tried to bind Firefoot, but she suddenly ducked beneath their grasping hands and ran screaming toward the forest. “I’m innocent! I’m innocent!” she cried, stumbling in her panic over a fallen log. The frightened group pounced on her sprawled figure and dragged her toward the scaffold. Her eyes bulged in terror as the bag came down over her head.

“This isn’t fair,” she said quietly, slumping to the floor.

The hangman knelt down to pull her to her feet, but Firefoot struck out with sudden tremendous force that sent him flying. The sack ripped from her head to reveal a horrible sight. Her face writhed in agonizing contortions, and her mouth opened wide, extending like the dark mouth of bottomless cave. A fearsome howl erupted from her small body, and she cast a hungry glare on her accusers. Great globs of bloody spittle flew as she screamed curses.

“I knew it!” shouted a villagers, and everyone joined in one massive leap to capture the beast before it broke its bonds. Someone shoved a long knife into her trembling body, and another slammed a great stone against her head. Yet still she fought on.

At last, the mass of people held her fast as she kicked and screamed, but Firefoot could not escape her intended victims. She had waited too long to shapeshift, and they had caught her before she had come to her full werewolf power. The noose went around her neck, and she was pushed through the trap. Together, the mob beat Firefoot with clubs and tools until her shattered body moved no more.

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Living

mormegil
the phantom
Primrose Bolger
Oddwen
Feanor of the Peredhil
bilbo_baggins
Kuruharan
Mithalwen


Dead
Shelob (Villager) - mangled by werewolves during Night 1
Anguirel (Werewolf) - hanged on Day 1
The Saucepan Man (Villager) – shredded and simmered by werewolves during Night 2
Firefoot (Werewolf) - Hanged by Day 2


Score
Werewolves: 1
Villagers: 7


Wow! The villagers are doing well, though at least one more will be dead by morning. It is now NIGHT. The one remaining werewolf is going to kill a villager, and the seer is still dreaming.

DAY starts at 6AM.

[The Barrow-Wight]

The crooked shack at the far corner of the township belonged to the most mysterious citizen of the village. He was relatively new to town, and little was known about him, except for his outlandish behavior. Without warning, he would sometimes walk up to a person on the street and reveal a secret about them that only they could know. This shocked and frightened his neighbors, and they usually ignored him, often crossing the street or ducking into a building to avoid his indiscreet announcements.

Everyone had continued to ostracize him, until they began to think his power was stronger than they had imagined, and more useful. He had clamored against Firefoot the previous day, insisting that she was one of the beasts, and he had been right. When everyone had been confused by the twisted arguments of the monsters, he had been the strong voice of truth. It was now clear he was a seer.

Before the dawn, mormegil was also dead.

Though they had set extra guards and tried desperately to stay awake, someone had slipped in their duties, and the wolf among them had slipped past their defenses once again. This time the beast had been less tidy.

Every door and window of mormegil’s house hung open at a wild angle, as if a zephyr had taken residence within. Pieces of furniture, clothing, and other household items were strewn about in a wide circle around the house, all splattered with chunks and smears of cold, dark blood. There was no need to enter the seer’s residence, because his shredded body lay amongst the debris of his life: a hand by the split and broken table top, part of a leg tangled in a tattered flower-patterned curtain, his leering head rocking in a dented chamber pot.

A very angry werewolf was still alive in the village, and mormegil would be not be making any more predictions.


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Living

the phantom
Primrose Bolger
Oddwen
Feanor of the Peredhil
bilbo_baggins
Kuruharan
Mithalwen


Dead
Shelob (Villager) - mangled by werewolves during Night 1
Anguirel (Werewolf) - hanged on Day 1
The Saucepan Man (Villager) – shredded and simmered by werewolves during Night 2
Firefoot (Werewolf) - Hanged by Day 2
mormegil (The Seer) - shredded horrificallyby a werewolf on Night 3


Score
Werewolves: 1
Villagers: 6


Eek! That was messy. I think the last werewold is mad and desperate. Be careful!

It is now DAY. You all have until 6AM tomorrow morning to decide who to lynch. All discussions must be public.

** EDIT: If you girls wouldn't always be going by masculine nicks, I wouldn't be mistaking mormegil as one of you! :p

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Due to circumstances that I haven't actually got time to outline, I think that the phantom is innocent. Sorry 'bout before, ol' chap. We'll have to discuss this something fierce once everybody who counts is officially dead and the game finishes. I also believe that Mithalwen is innocent, and had I been wrong about mormegil being the seer (which, my ego is boosted to say, I was not), I would have thought her to be. She accurately pointed out the first two werewolves, before their fates were anywhere near to being sealed. She also had doubts about The Saucepan Man. No werewolf would try to stop an innocent from being killed without ulterior motives.

I'm terribly glad to see you all decided not to lynch me. Look, you even got another werewolf. Let's not break the winning streak.

For your convenience, here's a list of who I think is innocent at the moment (which is likely to change throughout the day): Mithalwen, the phantom, and, obviously, myself.

[the phantom]

*sigh*

I had a feeling they'd kill Morm.

I was willing to change my vote from Fea to Firefoot because, after going back and reviewing the thread, I came to believe that Morm was the seer. Unfortunately, he is no longer with us. The remaining werewolf probably guessed who he was and eliminated the threat.

It appears that Morm, by sheer luck, chose to dream about Firefoot on the very first night. But who did he dream of on the second night? I requested that the seer dream of Fea before the second night started, just to make sure we did not lynch an innocent. I believe that Morm did indeed pick Fea. On day two, he does not go after her, but tries his best to direct us from Fea to Firefoot.

Technically, I could be wrong, but I think it is a very good bet that Lady Fea is innocent.

So who is the third werewolf? We have three tries to catch the beast, but I would prefer to catch it today. I'd rather not see another villager killed.

Perhaps we should look for clues from Anguirel?

He said this-
I think the good, rustic sense Primrose is showing does credit to us all. She defends the innocent and helpless, and assaults the sophists.
On day one, I suggested that Prim was the third werewolf. Was I right?

Everyone- who do you suspect?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

TP, your line of thinking impresses me.

<short pause>

Okay, you can stop saying "I told you so" now.

But if you're right, than my latent suspicion of Primrose makes sense to me.

EDIT: continuation:

Primrose Bolger- suspicious only because of my lack of suspicion. How did she manage to escape my attention?
See? I have no real (at the moment) reason to suspect her, and that bothers me, since I've had reason to be suspicious of everybody. The whole point of this is suspicion, and she's flying under the radar, which makes me nervous. She hasn't really spear-headed much accusation, nor taken any.

Right now, we've got one werewolf that was in-your-face. The next was our average-joe werewolf. Now all we're missing is the sneak.

[the phantom]

Also (I really hate to say this), don't forget about Kuru.

Kuru and Prim are the only two villagers left that were not attacked or implicated in any way by Anguirel or Firefoot. Prim was actually patted on the back by Anguirel. Kuru, on the other hand, was completely ignored. Did the wolves ignore him on purpose?

Not to mention the fact that when he cast both of his killing votes the deal was pretty much done. He was the last vote both times. As we all know, Firefoot cast a vote for Anguirel to cover her trail, so this pack of werewolves has a history of turning on each other to get people's eyes off of them.

And did you notice that Kuru did not seem too anxious to go along with the kill Firefoot vote? Was he hoping to stick to the original plan of killing Fea because he knew Fea to be an innocent?

Kuru has probably been posting in the least bloodthirsty manner during this game. Is this trickery?

(sorry Kuru, I really do hope that you aren't the werewolf)

[Mithalwen]

I have yet to review the discussions in the light of the recent events but I can now sadly reveal the reasoning behind my choice of Firefoot. I was genuinely torn since Anguirel and Fea did seem to be hand in glove. However I decided to work on the hypothesis that Fea was an innocent though rashly outspoken villager.... the attack on the innocent SpM was fierce. I looked at the other people Anguirel had defended. Firefoot was prominent. Then there was Oddwen's immediate accusation - albeit subsequently withdrawn.

I thought that Oddwen might be the seer and had withdrawn her comment to protect her identity when another werewolf had been identified. I got very confused by all the cross debate but looked at who also accused Firefoot. Mormegil was prominent again and I did wonder if he might be the seer if Oddwen wasn't.

Obviously I dared not compromise an innocent life by risking identifying the seer. Also I was not confident enough to try to lead. I only had the same information as you. I had to leave it to your own examination hoping that you would understand or at least understand enough to keep silent. I hope that Mormegil's indication of that did not sign his death warrant.. Of course it might have made you think I was the seer but I went on logic then a leap of faith on a hunch.

Fellow citizens, I may have to make an early vote, I beg you to make up your own minds. I will post my reasoning if I have any but it may end up being a stab in the dark.
If we make the right choice now, no more innocent lives will be lost and we will have no innocent blood on our own hands. Choose wrongly and at least two more innocents will die. I do not think I can hope to survive if the wolf is not caught tonight. I am here now I fear because Mormegil had special knowledge...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Mith, I hate to say it, but I think you're right. You're too smart. You've calmly and collectedly read the debate and come up with accurate suspicions. That makes you a danger. I have a feeling you'll die tonight, although me saying that may sign my own death warrent if it's not already a given. I'm not saying I'm going to kill you, I'm just saying that the chances of you being slaughtered brutally tonight are roughly the same as mine were yesterday of being lynched. I wish you luck.

Like you, I'm torn. I really don't see Primrose as guilty, but I have this insane gut feeling I can't get rid of. Kuru worries me also. He's been voting late, and only when it's inevitable what the outcome will be. A few posts ago, he tried to shift attention to Oddwen and bilbo. Oddwen I don't think is guilty, but I could be dead wrong. She fits my suspicion of "the sneak", seeing as that she's just sticking her head in and out enough to be present, but not enough to draw attention. To quote myself, flying under the radar.

[Kuruharan]

sorry Kuru

Don't be so apologetic. 'Tis quite alright. You wouldn't be doing your duty if you did not mention everyone. :)

However, I do have a few things I'd like to say...

And did you notice that Kuru did not seem too anxious to go along with the kill Firefoot vote? Was he hoping to stick to the original plan of killing Fea because he knew Fea to be an innocent?

Ahh, I suppose that does look a little awkward. Aside from loudly squawking my innocence to the heavens (which even I would tell you not to believe just because I say it), I do have an explanation to offer.

I admit I was wrong about Firefoot and mormegil. I was suspicious (especially in the beginning) because a lot of the things mormegil said struck me as a bit of a stretch. I was also a little bit put off by the loud way he claimed his presentation was the most cogent one being put before the jury. As I am sure you have probably concluded by now, I'm a pretty cynical and flinty ole cuss who is apt to view with a certain degree of skepticism anyone who is making such large claims about the virtue of their own work. I was also, at the very end (and this perhaps does not reflect entirely well on my own personality :( ), a little bit annoyed with his refusal to go into much detail after I'd asked for a restatement of everybody's views. The thought crossed my mind that he wanted me to go back and take the time to hunt up all his posts on the subject, hoping that I would just read his posts and forget everything else that had been said in the amount of time it took to read it. It seemed like a werewolfish trick to me.

Obviously I was wrong about him. It did occur to me that he might be the Seer, but I was just never quite convinced of it. I ultimately went along with it because I was having a little get together at my place last night and I wanted to get the vote over with and not have to stick around for runoffs etc. when I was pretty certain how things were going to turn out in the end.

(Said get together is the reason why I'm a bit tardy putting in an appearance this morning...or, afternoon rather.)

I'm glad I doubted my own infallibility (and had a pressing social engagement...).

I might have been more willing to believe that mormegil was the Seer except for another confounding factor. While I now totally agree that it seems likely that Feanor is as pure and innocent as the wind driven snow (at least as far as being a werewolf is concerned) I think everyone will admit that her behavior created a certain...impression in the minds of many.

I, quite frankly, was at a complete loss to explain her behavior. The only way it made any sense in my mind was that Feanor was a werewolf. I just couldn't understand why she would act in such a...well, bizarre manner unless she were trying to get everything all hopelessly stirred up and confused so that nobody would think straight and we'd be more likely to make mistakes.

As a matter of fact, now that I think she's innocent, I'm even more puzzled than I was before...oh well. :rolleyes:

I feel compelled to repeat my question of yesterday and hopefully this time I'll be able to extract a more satisfactory answer from somebody. Where have bilbo_baggins and Oddwen gone off to?

We are reaching the stage where we are running out of delators so I feel compelled to point out that bilbo_baggins made a fair amount of fuss and bother on DAY ONE and has gone suspicious quiet ever since. (Almost as if he took a hint from something.) Not accusing, mind you, just asking for an explanation. It is in our best interests to be as thorough as possible.

[the phantom]

I was suspicious (especially in the beginning) because a lot of the things mormegil said struck me as a bit of a stretch.
That is what made me suspect that he might be a seer trying desperately to make a good case against a known werewolf.
I, quite frankly, was at a complete loss to explain her behavior. The only way it made any sense in my mind was that Feanor was a werewolf.
As you can see by my attacks on her, I was thinking the same thing as you.
As a matter of fact, now that I think she's innocent, I'm even more puzzled than I was before...oh well.
Ha ha! Me and you both.

Just to reach a more certain conclusion about Fea, I'm going to repost everything Morm said about Fea yesterday.
While not fool proof I think we can see that Anguirel supported Firefoot and Feanor. Could it be that she tried to calm our suspicions and throw us off their tracks?
Currently my heart pities poor Feanor and her pleas seem to be that of an innocent. Seem mind you, I'm not certain, but unless I get a good alibi from Firefoot my heart directs me to her being the werewolf among us.
My attitude toward Fea has lessened, but I don't think she is clear. One might still hold suspicions of somebody but set that aside to single out somebody he has much more suspicion of so as to more fully focus his attention.
Feanor, I never said I thought you to be innocent. I did say that I didn't view you as suspicious. I currently feel that we have a much stronger case, based on the evidence I presented, against Firefoot than we do on you. It is interesting to me though that in your list the only one, besides yourself, that you don't have any suspicions of is Firefoot.
I am not ignoring the Fea arguement I merely think that the evidence more fully implicates Firefoot. I still have suspicion on Feanor and it is growing with each post, however I feel much more strongly that Firefoot is the one we need to hang. I will not say please reconsider your vote because if Fea is hung and she is a wolf it will implicate me. But, as I have said I do have suspicion on her but not as much as I do to Firefoot.
There is some suspicion of Feanor, which I uphold but that phantom is spearheading. There has been this suspicion since the first day but doesn't seem to be founded on much evidence albeit there is some and she appears to be somebody to watch.
Is Fea truly "as pure and innocent as the wind driven snow"?

What if Morm did not dream of Fea. If he knew her to be innocent, I doubt he would have mentioned her as many times as he did. He could have just put forth his second quote about her pleas "seeming to be that of an innocent", and stopped there, but he continually brought up Fea and said that she was not excused.

Or was he doing this because going after Firefoot and ignoring the obvious day 1 suspect (Fea) would absolutely for sure mark him as the seer? That certainly makes sense.

Perhaps he figured that Fea would get lynched anyway and so he did not dream about her, and picked someone else to dream about just in case they were the third werewolf.

But since he already knew about Ang and Firefoot, why would he go searching for the third if he already suspected that Fea was the third? If Morm was certain about Firefoot already, you'd think he would have dreamed about Fea, which means that his attempts to move our votes from Fea to Firefoot prove Fea's innocence. After all, if he knew that both were wolves, why would he care which one got killed first?

But, it is still possible that he, instead of attempting to prove his suspicions about Fea, dreamed about someone entirely different, such as Primrose or I. That way Morm could finger the hidden third werewolf if Fea turned out not to be a wolf after we hung her on day 2, which the night before, seemed to be a certainty since there was a "hang Ang, hang Fea" plan.

Do you see the logic behind that? Morm thought "Yes, Fea might be the wolf, but since I already know the villagers are going to lynch her tomorrow I'm going to dream about someone else just in case it isn't Fea."

But once day two started rolling, Fea's hanging was up in the air (pun :D ), and so Morm, who had failed to identify a new wolf during the night, saw that there was a very real opportunity to hang a for sure werewolf- Firefoot, rather than a maybe wolf- Fea.

This makes perfect sense, though it is not, of course, necessarily what happened.

But I think that I have proved, Kuru, that Fea is not "as pure and innocent as the wind driven snow".

(and yes I know- I shouldn't apologize- but sorry Fea)

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

While I now totally agree that it seems likely that Feanor is as pure and innocent as the wind driven snow (at least as far as being a werewolf is concerned) I think everyone will admit that her behavior created a certain...impression in the minds of many.
Me? Create impressions of myself? Why ever would I do such a thing as you say? What point or purpose would that serve to anyone? Honestly... what reasoning would I have to do that... you make it sound like I was trying to get myself lynched. :cool:

I, quite frankly, was at a complete loss to explain her behavior. The only way it made any sense in my mind was that Feanor was a werewolf. I just couldn't understand why she would act in such a...well, bizarre manner unless she were trying to get everything all hopelessly stirred up and confused so that nobody would think straight and we'd be more likely to make mistakes.
Have you ever heard the phrase "wolfish grin"? Well I'm giving you one now. Not because I'm a wolf, mind you, but because it's just the thing to do. You're spot on about trying to get everyone stirred up and confused and likely to make mistakes. But the mistakes I was aiming for are not so much the lynch-the-innocent variety of mistake as the hastily posted defenses of randomly speared people. You can judge a person's sincerity by how they respond under pressure.

As a matter of fact, now that I think she's innocent, I'm even more puzzled than I was before...oh well. :rolleyes:
Oh good. My life's purpose has been fulfilled. I hope I didn't clear too much up with this post... a little bit of mystery surrounding a girl is the way things are supposed to be.

Oh, and given his response, I think Kuru's innocent. If you're not, than I'll tell you what swayed me anyhow: You are, thus far, the only one to think aloud that my ramblings might be more than meets the eye.

And now, I must away... art show tomorrow, and we aren't ready!

[Mithalwen]

I have indeed analysed this and (sad to say copious note taking and even charts are involved). I am not completely confident but I don't think I am going to become more sure in the timeI have available (I hoe to check in first thing but it is not certain. Therefore I must vote now. So since it is not impossible I will change my mind if I see new evidence (and maybe this post will send the hounds in to draw a covert..). I beg you again to look at the evidence clear eyed. Apart from the fact that I feel certain to be the next victim, this ius our last best chance. Once the numbers reduce, it will be easier to get a majority. So look at the evidence and see if your conclusions agree with mine. Do not take my conclusions and make the evidence fit. I know this sounds arrogant but I know my success has attracted followers as well as enemies - and maybe followers who are enemies?

As I have reviewed the case and have divided the survivors into categories of suspicion. I have absolute confidence in noone but myself. However:

I suspect least perhaps Oddwen her only significant action has been to accuse Firefoot. To point a finger so decisively at a fellow werewolf would be a bizarre opening salvo when the game was so open right at the beginning. Again it woulod have been so much easier to join in witht he SPM stitchup .... even with muted enthusiasm.

Bilbo Baggins is also low on my list of suspects - Anguirel accused BB first before jumping on Fea's SpM band wagon.

Phantom -was accused early accused by both hanged werewolves. Others had suspicions (unfortuante name..) but I think maybe the Werewolves were unlucky that this bait wasn't picked up. Also, he has, as I have, used analysis with similar conclusions on Anguirel.......... so on the whole I wopuld be astounded if he were the remaining lycanthrope. But I will be too dead to be astounded if this is the case ;)

I suspected Fea so much - it waspartly the irrational tie of friendship that made me choose Anguirel first and I had to be so careful last night to make sure it wasn't that that encouraged me to follow my instinct about Firefoot. However the words of Mormegil and Firefoot's accusation have helped move her off my immediate hit list ....

This leaves Kuruharan and Primrose Bolger. Kuruharan made me slightly suspiciou by his interest in my ideas, extreme reticence and late vosting. Just too passive for someone who was so enthusistic about the game. Too much the wise old owl. Also he said something about the least bloodthirsty being innocent... however he may just be playing the observer.. but I just felt he was letting others do too much of the work... and I was unnerved by his eagerness to make me expose my ideas more - become even more suspicious. I was scared of either being thought the seer or exposing the seer. However this is all circumstantial and not conclusive.

So.... Primrose has been too quiet... but she has been around. Like Anguirel she immediately attacked Bilbo, she was supported by Anguirel, she joined into the attack on the pan man. She has NOT voted but attempted to align herself with those who justly voted to lynch Anguirel and used it as a cue to encourage a summary execution of Fea before we could consider calmly. I do think it is likely that the third werewolf is one of the quiet ones - the ones you have to watch. And on balance of probabilities I vote ++ Primrose Bolger

[the phantom]

We have three tries to hang the werewolf. My top three suspects, in order, are Primrose, Fea, and Kuruharan.

I stated my case for Kuru here (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=389036&postcount=194).

I showed that Fea was not in the clear here (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=389055&postcount=198). The fact that she voted to kill Firefoot doesn't excuse her since, really, it was a choice between Firefoot and herself.

On day one, I suggested that Primrose was the hidden third werewolf. Mithalwen has already stated the reasons.

Who will I vote for?

I don't know right now.

[bilbo_baggins]

I must add now, with a bit of amusement, that since there is only one werewolf left, Oddwen's and my not being able to post cannot really count for evidence as there are two of us... ;)

I am split currently (having taken this time to read the discussion so far) between two unmentioned people. I don't like to vote as of yet, because of the danger of hanging an innocent and ruining our perfect score... :)

bilbo_baggins

[Primrose Bolger]

Holy guacamole! The seer is shredded!

And geez, now this frightened old village gammer is in danger of being lynched . . . I have nothing to show but my bloodless hands . . . oh, and you can check my teeth if you wish - no bits of seer-flesh stuck in the gaps and crevices . . .

'Flying under the radar'! I can hardly walk, much less flap my scrawny old arms fast enough to fly at all. Choose me, and two more villagers will have to die before the last beast is found.

I am sticking with my previous vote, prompted all the more so by the fact that the Seer was still looking hard at her:

My attitude toward Fea has lessened, but I don't think she is clear. One might still hold suspicions of somebody but set that aside to single out somebody he has much more suspicion of so as to more fully focus his attention. -- mormegil

++ Fea

. . . sigh . . . do what you will . . . I've had a good life . . .

[Kuruharan]

Ahh, one wanderer returns at least.

I am split currently (having taken this time to read the discussion so far) between two unmentioned people.

We only have a few hours left. Might I suggest you mention them?

We have an opportunity to win tonight after all.

But I think that I have proved, Kuru, that Fea is not "as pure and innocent as the wind driven snow".

Weeell, maybe. I guess it's possible. I would say it almost seems like a little bit of a stretch, but I've thought that before and we know how that turned out... :rolleyes:

Crikey! I'm all conflicted again...

I'll wait and see if bilbo cares to reveal his suspects...

[Kuruharan]

Well, we are running out of time by my calculation. We're obviously going to have to do something or the Wrath of The Wight™ will descend upon our poor anarcho-syndicalist commune.

*sigh* This is most awkward. However...

After re-reading today's posts and consulting one of the most reliable scientific methods known to the Free Peoples, mentioned in our books of Arcane Lore™ as "Flipping a Coin" (and doing so several times), I still could not make up my mind.

We seem to have reached a spot where a lot of our leads have kind of dried up (or been hung). However, there is one last little lead left. Even though Mithalwen said some cruel and hurtful things about my intentions and motives (weep, weep, sob :( ;) )...

(Note to Future Players: Don't compliment people, it seems to only make them suspicious.)

...she pointed out the last lead we have available. I'm not entirely confident in this, but I'm still inclined to believe that Feanor is innocent. In spite of the phantom's articulate reasoning, it just seems like too much of a stretch.

Unfortunately, I'm not entirely confident though, but...

++ PRIMROSE BOLGER

(If this doesn't pan out, then I'm throwing logic to the four winds where it belongs and only believing people who present stretchy arguments.)

[Kuruharan]

I just had it pointed out to me that I went and did a really stupid thing.

I forgot that we have 24 hours during the DAY rather than 12. :o :o

Ooops! Is my face red? :o

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

But I think that I have proved, Kuru, that Fea is not "as pure and innocent as the wind driven snow".
You doubt my purity and innocence? If only I had a glove or gauntlet around to challenge you with... Come now friend, all you've proved is that since I was a shoo-in to be lynched yesterday, mormegil didn't waste his dream on me. He didn't actually know for certain I was innocent. That doesn't mean a darned thing, given that none of you actually know anything. Especially given my talent for riling everybody up, as well as keeping y'all in a constant state of confusion. Eh, boys?

Since my niggling doubt won't go away, no matter how hard I'm trying to make it disappear, I feel that I really must put forth that ++Primrose is the most suspicious to me. And if she's not guilty, God forbid, than my only comment can be: "Fair's fair, she voted for me first."

[the phantom]

He didn't actually know for certain I was innocent. That doesn't mean a darned thing
You have a weird definition of what exactly means a darned thing. Whether or not the seer knew about you is the issue here- a very important issue. There is a big difference between the seer saying "Fea is innocent" and the seer saying "I don't know, I never checked". Being cleared of all charges by the seer definitely does mean "a darned thing".

But I'm not voting for you anyway- this round, that is :p , of course I hope there isn't another round after this.

+ + Primrose Bolger

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Hey, Primrose is dead! I got through another day without being lynched!

Either that means that I am one heck of a liar, or it means that you guys finally figured out that I'm trustworthy, honorable, and pure and innocent as the wind-driven snow. Anyone care to take a guess before we find out what Prim was?

[the phantom]

Either that means that I am one heck of a liar
You probably lie a lot, because you said one time how you looove being called a liar in real life.

Oops, sorry- I forgot... you hate being called a liar in real life. Just a li'l innocent slip up there. Totally unintentional. ;)
you guys finally figured out that I'm trustworthy, honorable, and pure and innocent as the wind-driven snow
You're only meaning within this game, I assume. :p
Hey, Primrose is dead!
Don't announce it prematurely. You don't want it to end up being one of those Crystal Heart deaths.

[The Barrow-Wight]

Seconds after the fourth and final vote was cast, Primrose Bolger was bound with thick leather bands. To further secure her should she prove to be a werewolf, a set of iron shackles that had been manufactured earlier in the day was fastened round her thick, hobbitish ankles. Finally, every villager armed themselves with sharp weapons. Firefoot had nearly escaped them, and they would not allow this beast to get away.

“I’ve said little to incriminate myself, and almost nothing in accusation of others,” she sobbed. “My votes have always been with my heart, which is pure. You’ll doom us all if you hang me.”

“Save it for the devil,” remarked someone angrily, and another person threw a stone, hitting Primrose on the forehead. Blood trickled into her eyes, which remained alert. As the pain of the blow passed, the smile faded from her face, and she spat contemptuously at her captors.

“The devil will have all of you,” she shrieked, “for your participation in this wickedness. But the wolf will have you first!”

Another stone struck face, knocking her senseless. She moaned in agony as they led her to the gallows.

A bag was placed over her head, and the noose was drawn tight. With a collective sigh, the crowd watched as she fell with a soft snap. Everyone cheered as her body began to twitch violently, and they all rushed forward with arms raised high.

But she didn’t shake for long. In only a short moment, perhaps 10 seconds, her body slumped and hung limply, devoid of life. After a long silence of horrible disbelief, the villagers began to wail at the evil they had done.

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Living

the phantom
Oddwen
Feanor of the Peredhil
bilbo_baggins
Kuruharan
Mithalwen


Dead
Shelob (Villager) - mangled by werewolves during Night 1
Anguirel (Werewolf) - hanged on Day 1
The Saucepan Man (Villager) – shredded and simmered by werewolves during Night 2
Firefoot (Werewolf) - hanged on Day 2
mormegil (The Seer) - shredded horrificallyby a werewolf on Night 3
Primrose Bolger (Villager) – hanged for suspicion of being a werewolf


Score
Werewolves: 1
Villagers: 5

The Villagers aren’t so smart without their seer, eh?

It is now NIGHT (or it will be tomorrow morning at 6AM). The werewolf has until 6PM tomorrow night to kill another villager.

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You know, we could speed our games up and still give people plenty of time to get on in any time zone. Starting next game (or even this one if everyone agrees), we could say that DAY or NIGHT starts as soon as the moderator writes the results of the previous phase. Each phase lasts up to 24 hours, but can end much sooner if everyone responds (werewolves decide on their victim/villagers vote a majority) and the moderator has time to write the report. People would not be obligated to hurry, but if result did come faster, then we wouldn't have to wait for so long to begin the next phase.

Please feel free to discuss this idea for an accelerated timetable here while we wait for the werewolf to pick his/her victim .

Thanks

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[Feanor of the Peredhil]

You probably lie a lot, because you said one time how you looove being called a liar in real life.

Oops, sorry- I forgot... you hate being called a liar in real life. Just a li'l innocent slip up there. Totally unintentional. ;)
Take this as a rule of thumb: what I do say is almost always true. It's what I don't say that you should be worried about.

Don't announce it prematurely. You don't want it to end up being one of those Crystal Heart deaths.
Not even joking, just fell out of the chair. That was funny.

[the phantom]

I like BW's idea for the timing of this game. As soon as he makes his kill announcement, the next phase starts. Everyone will look at the time BW posted and know that they have until that time the following day (if they are having a difficult time making a decision).

And Prim... a heartfelt "oops" from myself and the rest of the village. :(

We'll be down to five tomorrow. I thought I was going to be killed the night Saucy got done in. Last night I figured Morm was going to bite the dust so I wasn't worried. Tonight- I'm a bit worried. I'm hoping the wolf will kill Mith instead of me, though (no hard feelings :D ).

Of course, if Mith does turn up dead, I am sure that everyone will be quick to point out that, for the second time (the first being Saucy), the wolves killed who I suggested, so maybe I shouldn't have said that.

Start coming up with theories for tomorrow, people.

[Keeper of Dol Guldur]

Fea says to tell you guys;

I like the idea of tweaking the timing, I second that heartfelt "oops", and I would post this myself but I got booted before I could finish my edit.

That's it. Have fun.

[bilbo_baggins]

I must say Primrose, that you were not one of the people I suspected... I am sorry you died.

And, Kuru, since I had to be absent from the time that you asked until you lynched Prim, I will wait until the werewolf has killed again to try and make guesses.

But I will tell you that they might not be who you think they might be. We got the first few werewolfs because of luck and a little knowledge. The last one will be very difficult to catch.

bilbo_baggins

[Firefoot]

I think the BW's idea of timing for the next game is a good one. It would keep the game moving without leaving 24 whole hours for the werewolves to make their decision (the whole time really isn't needed).

That's all. Carry on.

[mormegil]

Just count Firefoot's post as my opinion if I may add it too.

[Shelob]

Addressing the suggested time shift I'm willing to give it a shot in the next game (seeing as my corpse doesn't really care in this one).

I do, however, see one potential problem with this plan.

I spend a lot of time during the day at school (more than the average student because my mom works there and so I'm trapped in the accursed-parent-eating-building) and a fair bit of evening time at work, if a decision is made during the times I'm busy (so say between 8.00 and 15.00 a majority of the villagers vote for player X) I won't have been able to have a say because I'll have been trapped in classes and unable to post before the moderator anounces the decision and play moves into the next stage. Do you understand my concern?

Many Thanks.
Shelob

[bilbo_baggins]

I thought of the same thing. If the players posted in record time, the game could go through three phases in six hours.

Perhaps there would have to be a minimun time span before the next phase begins?

Just a thought.

[The Saucepan Man]

Since I will be moderating the next game of Werewolf, it falls to me to make a final decision on the timing. My thoughts are set out below, and will be implemented for the next game unless there are any strong (and valid) objections.

Taking into account the comments made so far, I suggest that DAY lasts a minimum of 12 hours and a maximum of 24 hours. This should give the Villagers ample time in which to discuss their thoughts, make their accusations and cast their votes. I am going to introduce a “no retractions” rule. In other words, once you cast your vote, you cannot retract it and vote for someone else. This is partly to discourage hasty voting and prevent “tactical” votes which are then retracted, but it also means that, once enough votes have been cast to condemn someone (ie a clear majority), that person will be lynched no matter what. If 12 hours have not passed at this point, then discussion may continue up to the 12 hour mark (and any unused votes may be cast, although they will not affect the result). But, if a clear majority has been reached and the 12 hours is up, then there should be no further discussion until the next DAY. I will not always be able to post the “lynch” result straight away, so it will be up to the players to keep an eye on the time and make sure that they observe this rule.

If a clear majority has not been reached by the end of the full 24 hours, then the person with the most votes at that point will be lynched. Any vote that has not been cast by that stage will be lost for that day (although it will not count as a vote against the non-voter). Again, there should be no further discussion once the 24 hours is up, even if there is a delay before the “lynch” result is announced. In the event of a tie, we could either have two lynchings or no lynching. My preference is for the former, but I am open to persuasion on this point.

NIGHT will last a maximum of 12 hours. Any night-time activities (Werewolf attacks, Seer dreams and others to be announced) that are not notified during this period will not take place. But there will be no minimum period for NIGHT. So, if I receive all the necessary notifications before the 12 hours is up, I will post the result as soon as I am able. Once that is done, the next DAY will commence.

Does that make sense? If anyone has any major problems with this proposal, please speak now or for ever hold your peace.

As hinted at above, I will be introducing additional roles for the next game …

[Anguirel]

Look forward to it, o Man of Many Saucepans. I'd like to charter myself a place for next time at once, if possible...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I agree with Anguirel. I'd like a spot in the next game too, if I can have one. And your rules sound good, Anguirel. One thing... I seem to remember one time the phantom mentioned that the game "mafia" has a healer/doctor. I don't remember if it was during this game, or at some other time, but would that be a consideration for our next?

Now, I must be off to a terrifyingly long day at school. I'll pop in and out, but no surprises to you all that I won't be on as much today. It's a busy day already, but I've got my very first art show tonight, plus work, plus work on an expansive project. I won't be home until pretty late.

[Shelob]

That sounds like a better plan, though I'm still slightly concerned with missing huge portions of what's going on...but I'm willing to see how it works in actual play and would, if I may, join Anguirel and Feanor in requesting a place in the next game.

My Thanks.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

My concern there Saucepan Man is that you may be leaving it up to the players to decide (or to realise) when to stop a Day's discussion. Call me a spineless wretch if you must but I do appreciate having the moderator posting and spelling out in BIG BOLD CAPITAL LETTERS when and when not to talk! :D

Perhaps, and you might groan at this prospect, consider the time zones of the players and maybe post something like:

You have until 6:00 PM (that's 2:00 AM (or is it?) for you Brits) ...

... because I once spent approximately 15 minutes trying to figure out the time difference a couple of days ago (there's no hope for me, I know :rolleyes: ).

But this game is still going; you're not recruiting for the next one already, are you? Keep in mind, all those lucky enough to play in the first game (with the obvious exception of Shelob), that other Downers want to play too. ;)

[Mithalwen]

I will be glad to sit the next one out... it has taken over my life!!!

[The Barrow-Wight]

Keep in mind, all those lucky enough to play in the first game (with the obvious exception of Shelob), that other Downers want to play too.
Our first game started with the minimum 12 players, but Barrow-Downs Werewolf plays comfortably with up to 19 players, especially if we play with the accelerated timetable. Anyone who wants to play should sign up - no one will be turned away. And if we managed to get 24 or more people who want to play in the next game, I will run a second, simultaneous game beside The Saucepan Man's.

[Kuruharan]

In my newly cemented role as village idiot, the time change seems okay to me.

[The Saucepan Man]

My post was not intended to start a recruitment drive for the next game. I will open up the next game for players as and when this one is finished (although I have noted those who have expressed an interest).

On second thoughts, I am not so sure that the flexible timing works, as we may well end up with NIGHT spanning periods of time which are inconvenient to those whose roles require them to be active during the NIGHT. And if we had to vary the periods to suit particular people’s time considerations, that might well provide clues as to their identities.

I therefore think that we should still work on the basis of 12 hour cycles, with NIGHT lasting 12 hours and DAY lasting 12 or 24 hours, depending upon whether a clear majority is achieved in the first 12 hours (as per my previous post). That way, everyone will be clear at the outset when the “cross-over” time will be. I will in any event post the next deadline(s) when I post the results of the DAY’s voting or the NIGHT’s hunting.

As for time zones, I will be working in GMT (because that’s easiest for me). At the moment, GMT is 5 hours ahead of EST and 6 hours ahead of Central Time.

I’m proposing that the 12 hour cycle runs from 11 to 11 (GMT). So NIGHT 1 would start at 11PM GMT (6PM EST/5PM CT) and run through ‘til 11AM GMT the next day (6AM EST/5PM CT). DAY 1 would run from 11AM through to 11PM (if a clear majority was achieved by then) or through to 11AM the next day (if not). And so on …

The cycle will remain consistent regardless of when I post the results of the DAY’s/NIGHT’s events (which may, in practice, mean that people have slightly less than the full 12/24 hours).

Is that clear?

I’m off now, back to my shallow grave while the current game continues.

[The Barrow-Wight]

A bloodcurdling scream shocked the villagers into action just before dawn. Everyone emerged from their homes at almost exactly the same time, except for the phantom. His door remained shut, but it opened silently when pushed. Inside, the house was neat and clean, and a book lay open near the bed, but the building’s occupant was gone. Though they looked throughout the day and into the early evening, they found no trail of him, and the phantom was never seen in the village again.

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Living


Oddwen
Feanor of the Peredhil
bilbo_baggins
Kuruharan
Mithalwen
Dead

Shelob (Villager) - mangled by werewolves during Night 1
Anguirel (Werewolf) - hanged on Day 1
The Saucepan Man (Villager) – shredded and simmered by werewolves during Night 2
Firefoot (Werewolf) - hanged on Day 2
mormegil (The Seer) - shredded horrificallyby a werewolf on Night 3
Primrose Bolger (Villager) – hanged on Day 3 on suspicion of being a werewolf
the phantom (Villager) – gone missing on Night 4, presumed killed by werewolves

Score
Werewolves: 1
Villagers: 4


DAY begins at 6PM and ends at 6PM tomorrow. Have fun!

[The Barrow-Wight]

Five villagers and not a peep since the last murder. Are you guys having a staring contest??

[Kuruharan]

Yes.

Actually, I think we've reached the point in the game when we're all staring suspiciously at each other waiting for somebody to do something.

I have to go out for a bit, but when I get back, I have a theory to put before the jury.

[Oddwen]

I'm sorry I don't have time to expound, I can only say this:

The remaining werewolf probably guessed who he was and eliminated the threat.
This to me doesn't sound like Fea or Mith - and I must choose as I probably won't get another chance to vote -

++BILBO_BAGGINS

Sorry my fellow lurker, I hope I am wrong.

Why do I feel like I'm overlooking something?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Staring contest? Yeah... that sounds about right. Actually, I had an RL engagement that couldn't be avoided. If anyone cares, I won best in show.

I'm really bothered now that the phantom is gone. I thought for sure that Mithalwen was a shoo-in. Now, my overly-tired mind is saying to agree with whatever our fair lady says, and then screaming "Wait! She must have done it!" But since I'm so exhausted, I don't even know any more.

But, I'm having a thought here. I'll explain it in the morning, maybe (I will if I can scrounge up any free time). In the mean time, ++Bilbo Baggins. Sorry Bilbo, I'll explain after I log some beauty sleep.

[The Barrow-Wight]

Just so everyone knows, this game is still operating on the original timeframe. That means there is no minimum time (a majority = lynching) but there is a maximum (24 hrs, which = 6PM tomorrow). I'm not saying this to speed you up or slow you down. I just want to be clear that nothing has changed for this game.

[Kuruharan]

I had to ask myself something. And following along with my vow to toss logic out the window I’m going to try to make this as stretchy as possible.

Query: What is the best thing for a werewolf to do during the day?

Answer: Head for the tall grass.

Query: But isn’t this an excessively obvious defense, almost to the point of being unusable?

Answer: Probably.

Query: What would be the best way to shield oneself from suspicion on this count?

Answer: Popping in occasionally to put in an appearance and conversely reduce one’s profile.

Query: Do we have anyone around here who answers to that description?

Answer: Actually, we have two.

Now, the question becomes, which of the two to choose. To put the question another way, which one becomes more obvious by being less obvious?

Oddwen has been most conspicuous with her absence. However, her fingering Firefoot so early in the business seems to point away from her. I can’t think of a sensible reason why one werewolf would deliberately accuse a fellow werewolf…of course, not all the actions that have taken place here have been entirely sensible :rolleyes:.

Like the above posters, this directs me back to the person of bilbo_baggins, about whom some suspicions were expressed in previous days. As I specifically noted back in post # 197…

bilbo_baggins made a fair amount of fuss and bother on DAY ONE and has gone suspicious quiet ever since. (Almost as if he took a hint from something.)

His activities seem to have taken the pattern of: stirring about, then a sharp reduction in activities, followed by a reemergence that was just enough to cause him to sink back into mental obscurity. He has given the appearance of bland cooperative non-committal throughout. As a matter of fact, since DAY ONE I can’t find that he’s said anything about anybody. He's just been around off and on. His accusations always seem to be hovering just over the horizon, always awaiting one further development...

Notice, back in post # 74, Primrose Bolger (about whom I feel a little guilty) said…

'Twas bilbo_baggins who came up with that reasoning. To throw us off the track, I think.

They'll be yammering away from the first, those shadowspawn will. Though, I'm thinking they'll let the innocent raise the alarm, then they'll stick their wolfish noses in . . . and all the while laughing at us, and licking their lips at the prospect of taking another down.

It's bilbo_baggins who bears watching in my mind.

However, I'm not feeling particularly hasty. I'm going to go sleep on it and see what council the morning light brings.

[Mithalwen]

Well this is a turn up.....and has me bewildered. No offence but I suspect you all. Even Oddwen who I suspected least is suspicious because of that.

Lets not be hasty.

Obviously a major question, at least for me is why did the Phantom die and not me? Actually I can see that is a question for the rest of you too, bar one, but the options are different.

Either Phantom was much closer to the truth than I - and after my big mistake over Primrose which I regret deeply (though I don't know I could have made a better choice on the evidence) was so off the pace to be more use than threat. Sadly I fear I might be too useful a tool for the wolf - someone who has gained a rep then lost her touch. Or we were equally dangerous but Phantom got the nod. While I was waiting to see what baroque death had taken me (as I thought) I even suspected the phantom. His approach was similar to mine which made me assume him innocent - but would I have played differently if were a werewolf? I don't know, and I realise that my continued, unlikely survival may cause suspicion to be cast on me. I know I am innocent but the only way to prove it is to find the true culprit. Time to review and decide later today.

[Mithalwen]

I suggest a discussion thread - all these arrangements for the next game are a bit of a distraction for htose of us still trying to play this one :D

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Staring contest? Yeah... that sounds about right. Actually, I had an RL engagement that couldn't be avoided. If anyone cares, I won best in show.

I'm really bothered now that the phantom is gone. I thought for sure that Mithalwen was a shoo-in. Now, my overly-tired mind is saying to agree with whatever our fair lady says, and then screaming "Wait! She must have done it!" But since I'm so exhausted, I don't even know any more.

But, I'm having a thought here. I'll explain it in the morning, maybe (I will if I can scrounge up any free time). In the mean time, ++Bilbo Baggins. Sorry Bilbo, I'll explain after I log some beauty sleep.
Okay, remember when I said that ^ ? I was almost asleep. But now I'm awake (mostly...) and my thought still seems pretty decent, even though it's really cold and heartless.


Oddwen
Feanor of the Peredhil
bilbo_baggins
Kuruharan
Mithalwen
These are these people still alive. I know that I'm innocent, and I'm pretty sure that Mithalwen is innocent. That means that whoever I pick, I have a 1:3 chance of being right about. Since I'm really suspicious of bilbo right now, that just meant that he fit nicely into that little one slot.

And just think... if we kill bilbo and I'm wrong, then tonight the werewolf will kill another innocent. That narrows the list of Alive down to three people. If I'm still alive, and Mith is still alive, that pretty much means I'll know who the werewolf is.

Mind you, this whole cold and heartless thought process works... but it would complicate it a lot if Mith turns out to be the baddie. Or if, you know, I die. Or Mith dies. ;) I've got some loopholes to work out. But yeah, anyways... I got over my passionate pleas for let's not kill the innocent. No matter what, someone will die, so we may as well narrow it down. As long as the villagers win, there'll be a big party to celebrate the fact that not everyone died. And I like parties. :)

[bilbo_baggins]

I must say that I am sorry that my connection times have been strange, as my computer is failing miserably. I must say that if you want to kill me, please do. I might even vote for myself, to prove my innocence. But senseless killing lost us Primrose. I may remind you that you don't want the same thing to happen again.

And good faith with good faith, Fea? It seems that those who suffer, suffer all the more...

I must say that even if it gets me killed with a phantom vote for myself, I can't decide who is werewolf. There are too many possibilities in this end-game as it were.

I will not renunciate on my first opinions as those are usually right in most people's cases... So two of you are still innocent in my opinion. But I must say that the last werewolf is duecedly clever.

I don't think I will be able to vote before the time has been reached, and I might die then, so I must ++Mithalwen for seeming friendly yet not actually presenting evidence for opinions.

May my death show you I meant no harm.

bilbo_baggins

[Mithalwen]

Well thank you very much - the only time I was not explicit in my reasoning was when I had no time to explain why I opted for Firefoot and it would have implicated the person I thought to be a seer. However I am not vengeful and it is extremely inlikely that you will be my choice though I am yet to review. It looks as if mine will be a lone vote ... but AS ALWAYS I will explain...

[Mithalwen]

Well Bilbo, I am sorry you have voted for me because I think you are innocent but I also think you have effectively signed your own death warrant. Your accusation of me is ludicrous - I was pivotal in deciding both righteous executions - maybe alas in the wrongful one. I wish I had time to post more at lunchtime else I might have saved both our skins..... however you did not care to look at my reasoning.

I genuinely never expected to be making this vote and so once the truth about Primrose was announced, I thought over things and came to a conclusion I did not want to see. I had been seduced by the idea that one of the werewolves would be keeping a low profile. I realised for all my minor suspicions, the final werewolf might have been very vocal. As I said I suspected the phantom, but the Phantom is dead.

So why the

Phantom not me? We both more or less published a rank order of suspicion. Bilbo and Oddwen had little reason to get me out of the way. In these late stages the voting will get random and the Phantom had been more suspected than me.

If Kuruharan were the werewolf, I am sure he would have killed me, he was next in order.
He said something early on about the simplest explanation was the best... at last I agree. This is the instinct I had last night and now I feel events support it. I think when we debated between Fea and Firefoot we debated in effect which werewold to hang first. When we were right about Firefoot, Fea managed to deflect suspicion. Look back, she has jumped on bandwagons with Primrose and Bilbo and Phantom had her second on his list and is now dead.

I think that it was also maybe a quid pro quo for allowing friendship to influence the choice between her and Firefoot. She is so clever.... if you look she has managed to sympathize and support me while also suggesting I am not above suspicion. But I think our werewolves were so enthusiastic about their role they got a little carried away at first - Fea managed to turn it around, but I still think on reflection, that the most likely explanation is that she is a werewolf. As Phantom pointed out Mormegil did not clear her - I think he wanted to bag Firefoot while deflecting Fea's attention.

Of course I may be quite wrong and if so I am sorry - I am not absolutely certain but it is what my head and heart tell me. To pick one of the others would be completely random. If one of them is guilty then I salute you for playing a blinder..... but I will vote with conscience not ease. Reread..... see what the dead have thought....

Phantom - I think you lost your life for mine, and I think this is how you would have voted too ++Feanor of the Peredhil

[bilbo_baggins]

Mith, I must say you have convinced me. I don't know how to go about voting for someone. Thank you for believing in my innocence. So --Mithalwen and wait for my new vote.

I am so confused in this disturbing finale. I just hope that someone wins.

bilbo

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Oh my... dear Mithalwen, please say you'll listen to my defense. Of course you will... you are far more of a fair judge than I am. Please let me try to change your mind.

Look back, she has jumped on bandwagons with Primrose and Bilbo and Phantom had her second on his list and is now dead.
I did no such thing. If you'll remember, I commented that I suspected bilbo in one of my very first posts (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=388517&postcount=64). And even though that entire post is cloaked in a teasing nature, I did say quite early on about bilbo that:

I think you might have done it.
With Primrose, I've had a weird feeling all along, even though it turned out to be wrong. But quoting her, she said:

It's bilbo_baggins who bears watching in my mind.
in post #74. Since I was obviously wrong, I'm feeling more likely to listen to her instincts than my own. My accusal of bilbo, although cold, is not entirely random, as even the other night, glancing over my list of players and thoughts about them, I scratched a small black "W" by his name.

Look back, she has jumped on bandwagons with Primrose and Bilbo and Phantom had her second on his list and is now dead.
My suspicions of Primrose were not unfounded, but were obviously hasty. I couldn't understand why somebody innocent would not be more vocal. I had my trinity of bad guy personas fixed in my head (the out-spoken, the average, the sneak) and she fit the sneak so well, seeing as how she was so unsuspicous. It seemed to me that someone that over-looked could only be guilty. It's like the criminal who then proceeds to be really really good for awhile to avert suspicion, or the sinner who then tries to make up for it with a lot of good deeds. I'm sorry that I was wrong, but I try to listen to my instincts... in real life, they're great. I'm sorry they aren't so wonderful when I can't read your faces.

Look back, she has jumped on bandwagons with Primrose and Bilbo and Phantom had her second on his list and is now dead.
And why would I kill the phantom? I only just started to believe him again. I pointed out all the evidence I thought pointed to him in as organized a manner as I could, but after a large amount of dissuasion on his part I changed (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=388956&postcount=181)my mind. Although he still suspected me, and I suspected (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=388961&postcount=185) him, I finally did ascertain (to myself as well as you) that I believed him innocent (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=389025&postcount=191). After all that, I'm not about to go off and kill him. He was just starting to believe me.

And really, the only bandwagon I offically jumped onto was this one:

I'm still not so sure of Firefoot's guilt, but if the majority thinks her a werewolf, I may have to jump onto the bandwagon. After all, I've been wrong before.
If one of them is guilty then I salute you for playing a blinder.....
I'm not sure what a blinder is (presumably someone or something that intentionally messes with how people see things?), but I will gracefully accept that salute.

I stand by my vote for bilbo... I can only hope you change your mind, Mith.

Fea

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Oh, and this:

I probably won't be able to post again before the time comes, so I must with a heavy heart cast my vote for ++ANGUIREL even though it is very out of character.
It could be a harmless choice of words, but how ironic would it be if bilbo really is our werewolf and told us so himself?

[Kuruharan]

Well, if this just isn't the bottomless pit of irony I don't know what is. Mithalwen comes around to my way original way of thinking after I've mostly abandoned it. Now, yet again, I'm not entirely sure what to do. My modes of thinking are all dueling against each other.

However, I would be much more inclined to believe Mithalwen now if it wasn't for the behavior of bilbo right afterwards. He retracts his vote, but (as usual) doesn't then vote for anybody else. This seems almost like a strategy to curry favor for the next DAY, not voting for anybody and then theoretically not having anybody out to get him when we proceed on to the final act.

I'm afraid my confusion of thought will not allow me to come to a rational decision. I'm just going to have to wing it.

In the end, I find it easier to believe that mormegil did dream about Feanor and tried to protect her with out making it too obvious than to believe he did not and was just going by assumption. Feanor was the painfully obvious one to dream about that NIGHT. Who else would he have dreamed about?

Anyway, in the past we've always had good luck when I've voted last.

++ bilbo_baggins

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Step up to the noose, ol' boy. Many apologies if I'm wrong, but I'm going to have to stick with my pal's advice for the week: do what you have to do, then go home and cry if it turns out bad. If it helps, if you turn out innocent, I'll cry a lot at your funeral. If not, then hey, I've got even better odds of guessing accurately next time!

[The Barrow-Wight]

Bilbo_baggins was quickly bound, but now the four remaining villagers were less sure of themselves. The straps were placed carefully on the hobbit’s ankles and wrist, but without the malice of the previous day. The shackles lay unused at the base of the gallows, and there was no taunting or attacks as he was led to the noose. The reluctant executioners had a moment of silence before the trap was opened and bilbo fell downward. He managed to shout 'Aure entuluva! ' before his neck snapped loudly, echoing across the village square. Everyone rushed forward to protect themselves if necessary, but it was painfully obvious that they had the blood of another innocent on their hands.

Inside, the werewolf was howling with gleeful laughter.

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Living


Oddwen
Feanor of the Peredhil
Kuruharan
Mithalwen
Dead

Shelob (Villager) - mangled by werewolves during Night 1
Anguirel (Werewolf) - hanged on Day 1
The Saucepan Man (Villager) – shredded and simmered by werewolves during Night 2
Firefoot (Werewolf) - hanged on Day 2
mormegil (The Seer) - shredded horrificallyby a werewolf on Night 3
Primrose Bolger (Villager) – hanged on Day 3 on suspicion of being a werewolf
the phantom (Villager) – gone missing on Night 4, presumed killed by werewolves
bilbo_baggins (Villager) – hanged on Day 4 on suspicion of being a werewolf
Score
Werewolves: 1
Villagers: 3


NIGHT begins at 6PM tonight and ends at 6AM tomorrow.

[The Barrow-Wight]

Sorry, don't have time to do a proper killing this morning....

The werewolves killed Mithalwen.

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Living

Oddwen
Feanor of the Peredhil
Kuruharan
Dead

Shelob (Villager) - mangled by werewolves during Night 1
Anguirel (Werewolf) - hanged on Day 1
The Saucepan Man (Villager) – shredded and simmered by werewolves during Night 2
Firefoot (Werewolf) - hanged on Day 2
mormegil (The Seer) - shredded horrificallyby a werewolf on Night 3
Primrose Bolger (Villager) – hanged on Day 3 on suspicion of being a werewolf
the phantom (Villager) – gone missing on Night 4, presumed killed by werewolves
bilbo_baggins (Villager) – hanged on Day 4 on suspicion of being a werewolf
Mithalwen - killed by werewolves on Night 5
Score
Werewolves: 1
Villagers: 2


It is now DAY. Day lasts until 6AM tomorrow. Two votes is enough for a lynching. If you get it right, the Villagers win. If you get it wrong, the werewolves win.

[Mithalwen]

"Sorry, don't have time to do a proper killing this morning...." :(

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Oddwen. It has to be Oddwen. Who on earth comes up with such random and pointless evidence as "three people all used the word 'odd'"?

But then again, Kuru, the phantom suspected you, and I trust his judgement (except against me).

But then again, it could be me.