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[Urwen]

There are many Norse bards, and I dunno which one to pick......

[Pervinca Took]

I could only think of one without looking them up!

[Galadriel55]

No - in cryptic land, a spanner can be a bridge (a think that spans), a butter can be a thing that butts (a goat), and a flower can be a thing that flows (rather than flowers). ;)

(Thanks to Mithalwen for teaching me these). :)

I've also just remembered mount - an old favourite to confuse people if it's a ride or a mountain.

Also, I've been trying to do something with Bragi for #3 (or bagi, once he loses the direction) but can't get anywhere with it.

[Pervinca Took]

Not Bragi. It's the name of a very well-known Norse bard that you need (well, well-known to anyone with any interest in Norse bards).

Yes, of course, a mount can be a mountain or a horse! Forgot that one.

[Urwen]

3. Silverlode?

[Pervinca Took]

No - you need to find the separate elements and put them together. Norse Bard minus a direction, plus valley - and then 'mingle' the letters you are left with.

Have a think, and if everyone's still stuck I'll give another clue.

[Urwen]

Well, there are a lot of bards there.

Here's the full list:



Bragi Boddason (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bragi_Boddason) "the Old" (early 9th century), author of Ragnarsdrápa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ragnarsdr%C3%A1pa)
Þorbjörn hornklofi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9Eorbj%C3%B6rn_hornklofi) (9th century)
Þjóðólfr of Hvinir (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9Ej%C3%B3%C3%B0%C3%B3lfr_of_Hvinir) (fl. c. 900), author of Haustlöng (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haustl%C3%B6ng) and Ynglingatal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ynglingatal)
Eyvindr Finnsson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyvindr_Finnsson) (10th century), known also as Eyvindr skáldaspillir, or Eyvindr the Plagiarist, the author of Hákonarmál (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%A1konarm%C3%A1l) and Háleygjatal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%A1leygjatal)
Egill Skallagrímsson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egill_Skallagr%C3%ADmsson) (10th century), author of Sonatorrek (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonatorrek), Höfuðlausn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%B6fu%C3%B0lausn) and Arinbjarnarkviða (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arinbjarnarkvi%C3%B0a)
Kormákr Ögmundarson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korm%C3%A1kr_%C3%96gmundarson) (mid-10th century), the main character of Kormáks saga (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korm%C3%A1ks_saga)
Eilífr Goðrúnarson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eil%C3%ADfr_Go%C3%B0r%C3%BAnarson) (late 10th century), author of Þórsdrápa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9E%C3%B3rsdr%C3%A1pa)
Þórvaldr Hjaltason (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9E%C3%B3rvaldr_Hjaltason) (later 10th century), a skald of king Eric the Victorious (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_the_Victorious)
Hallfreðr Óttarsson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallfre%C3%B0r_%C3%93ttarsson) (late 10th century, court poet of King Óláfr Tryggvason (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%93l%C3%A1fr_Tryggvason)
Einarr Helgason (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einarr_Helgason) "Skálaglamm" (late 10th century), "of the gleaming coins" - author of Vellekla (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vellekla)
Úlfr Uggason (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9Alfr_Uggason) (late 10th century), author of the Húsdrápa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%BAsdr%C3%A1pa)
Tindr Hallkelsson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tindr_Hallkelsson) (fl. c. 1000), one of Hákon Sigurðarson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%A1kon_Sigur%C3%B0arson)'s court poets
Gunnlaugr Illugason (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunnlaugr_Illugason) (10/11th century), nicknamed Ormstunga "Worm-tongue" on account of his propensity for satire and invective
Sigvatr Þórðarson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigvatr_%C3%9E%C3%B3r%C3%B0arson) (earlier 11th century)
Þórarinn loftunga (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9E%C3%B3rarinn_loftunga) (earlier 11th century)
Óttarr svarti (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%93ttarr_svarti) (earlier 11th century), a skald at the court of king Olof Skötkonung (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olof_Sk%C3%B6tkonung) and Olaf the Stout (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olaf_II_of_Norway)
King Haraldr Harðráði (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harald_III_of_Norway) (mid-11th century)
Arnórr Þórðarson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arn%C3%B3rr_%C3%9E%C3%B3r%C3%B0arson) (mid-11th century), Jarlaskald "the Earls' Skald"
Einarr Skúlason (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einarr_Sk%C3%BAlason) (12th century)), author of Geisli (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Geisli&action=edit&redlink=1)
Snorri Sturluson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snorri_Sturluson) (12/13th century)
Þórir Jökull Steinfinnsson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9E%C3%B3rir_J%C3%B6kull_Steinfinnsson) (13th century)

See? There's a lot of them.

[Pervinca Took]

I never claimed it was going to be easy. ;) (Well, perhaps I did, regarding the finding of the correct Bard).

But a new student of Old Norse is likely to read some of the Sagas and one or both of the two Eddas, or rather extracts of them in Old Norse and maybe the whole works in translation. Given that most (I believe) of the well-known sagas are anonymous, who does that leave?

[Urwen]

I found him, but I don't see how it fits yet. I will think more tomorrow if I am not beaten to the punch.

[Pervinca Took]

HINT: You might need to 'translate' valley.

[Urwen]

To elvish?

Edit: Nvm, I got it. Hebun is valley, combine it with Snorri, the bard who lost direction (either Sorri, Norri or Snori) and you get Shirebourn, the flower

[Pervinca Took]

Good try and the correct bard. Also correct that you need Snorri, his first name, not his surname of Sturluson. Wrong valley though. It is Elvish you need, but maybe you chose the wrong elvish language?

[Mithalwen]

Feel a bit mean jumping in when so much help provided - Sirannon? nan for vale and Snorri minus an r for right?

[Urwen]

*grins* found it. nan for valley in Sindarin and snori which is snorri without r give Sirannon.

[Urwen]

1. Dor Dinen?

[Pervinca Took]

Well done both! Sirannon it is.

Not Dor Dinen. (Or Dorset Dine, as my phone saw fit to autocorrect it to).

Maybe guess the password to get help with the last clue?

[Pervinca Took]

1. Port loses note, you hear? ... troubled is this realm.
MIRIEL: Edge back, lie around, but don’t blame her.
SIRANNON: Norse bard loses direction, but mingles with valley for a flower.
DAGORLAD: Happy street, yet troubled? It’s plain.
FILIBERT: Dwarf meets troll for a Bolger.

Anyone guessed the surprise in the password?

[Urwen]

The password seems to be Bragi, but it isn't tolkien term.

[Urwen]

1. Beleriand, the troubled realm?

[Pervinca Took]

The password isn't Bragi.

Not Beleriand. You need to account for the letters and satisfy each part of the clue.

[Pervinca Took]

Try starting with the port.

[Urwen]

Is it a name of port or synonym for it?

[Pervinca Took]

A name.

And regarding the password, remember that some of the letters are very narrow, like I. Ideally one would put them in a grid/table, like they are in a puzzle book.

[Urwen]

I've tried downward and diagonal and various other combinations and the only thing that makes sense is 'bori' but what letter can be added to it to make it Tolkien-esque is what's the problem here....

[Mithalwen]

I have put them on squared paper and not helping much

[Urwen]

Maybe the password is Borin? If you read certain diagonal from down, Borin is what comes to mind. Borin is the son of dwarf king Nain.

[Pervinca Took]

Borin is correct, but there's another, similar password there, if you look.

N ......... : Port loses note, you hear? ... troubled is this realm.
MIRIEL: Edge back, lie around, but don’t blame her.
S IRANNON: Norse bard loses direction, but mingles with valley for a flower.
DAGORLAD: Happy street, yet troubled? It’s plain.
F I L I BERT: Dwarf meets troll for a Bolger.

[Urwen]

In that case, the first answer is Numenor, the only tolkien realm that beginst with N, at least according to wiki.

[Pervinca Took]

Yes, but can you take us from port to realm?

And what is the other password?

NUMENOR: Port loses note, you hear? ... troubled is this realm.
MIRIEL: Edge back, lie around, but don’t blame her.
S IRANNON: Norse bard loses direction, but mingles with valley for a flower.
DAGORLAD: Happy street, yet troubled? It’s plain.
F I L I BERT: Dwarf meets troll for a Bolger.

[Urwen]

The other password is Farin.

[Pervinca Took]

NUMENOR: Port loses note, you hear? ... troubled is this realm.
MIRIEL: Edge back, lie around, but don’t blame her.
S IRANNON: Norse bard loses direction, but mingles with valley for a flower.
DAGORLAD: Happy street, yet troubled? It’s plain.
F I L I BERT: Dwarf meets troll for a Bolger.

Yes. Your go. :)

But can you guess the port? It's not a million miles from Numenor, and contains six of its letters ....

[Urwen]

Nothing comes to mind, but I have the list of world ports, so I am sure I'll find something that matches.

In the meantime, here are my clues

1. A stick does a backward flip and lands in the middle of an article for a flower
2. A chaser loses half of himself and gains direction in front.....but this area is unknown
3. This warrior put his garb on backwards
4. The explorer is a Hobbit
5. A shortened hill meets reversed stick for a race
6. Eternal memory is a bloomer
7. Crippled mafia boss is a region

[Pervinca Took]

ROMENNA - lose note (A), and you hear a you (U). 'Trouble' (jumble) that and you get NUMENOR.

6 is SIMBELMYNE, or Evermind.

7. I spent quite a lot of today in the land of NOD, which is an anagram of DON, but I don't think NOD has a Tolkien connection. :D

[Urwen]

Nope, but 6 is.

1. A stick does a backward flip and lands in the middle of an article for a flower
2. A chaser loses half of himself and gains direction in front.....but this area is unknown
3. This warrior put his garb on backwards
4. The explorer is a Hobbit
5. A shortened hill meets reversed stick for a race
6. EVERMIND: Eternal memory is a bloomer
7. Crippled mafia boss is a region

As for 7, you got one part right, now think about what other word can be used instead of crippled and put that word before said boss. <3

You helped me out a lot in the previous round, so I am returning the favor. :D

[Pervinca Took]

LAMEDON!

Of course. I think I used it as an answer once myself, but many passwords ago. I had forgotten.

I thought 'crippled' was an anagram indicator and so went astray.

[Urwen]

1. A stick does a backward flip and lands in the middle of an article for a flower
2. A chaser loses half of himself and gains direction in front.....but this area is unknown
3. This warrior put his garb on backwards
4. The explorer is a Hobbit
5. A shortened hill meets reversed stick for a race
6. EVERMIND: Eternal memory is a bloomer
7. LAMEDON: Crippled mafia boss is a region

[Pervinca Took]

I wonder if 4 could be Peregrin, because that is a name that means explorer, I think.

[Urwen]

Nope. Googling 'the explorer' might help.

[Pervinca Took]

Well, Marco Polo was a famous explorer. Polo? (Because I don't think there was a hobbit called Marco, only Marcho).

EDIT: Although googling would suggest it is DORA (Dora the Explorer). Eldest surviving female relative of Bilbo and Frodo.

[Urwen]

T'is so indeed.


1. A stick does a backward flip and lands in the middle of an article for a flower
2. A chaser loses half of himself and gains direction in front.....but this area is unknown
3. This warrior put his garb on backwards
4. DORA: The explorer is a Hobbit
5. A shortened hill meets reversed stick for a race
6. EVERMIND: Eternal memory is a bloomer
7. LAMEDON: Crippled mafia boss is a region

Now for remaining ones, synonyms might help. Also, the first clue actually has the needed article within it. Also, the first clue is inspired by your clues.

[Pervinca Took]

1. A stick does a backward flip and lands in the middle of an article for a flower

The river ADORN. 'Rod' backwards in the middle of the article 'an.'

[Pervinca Took]

And AREDHEL for the password?

[Urwen]

1. ADORN: A stick does a backward flip and lands in the middle of an article for a flower
2. A chaser loses half of himself and gains direction in front.....but this area is unknown
3. This warrior put his garb on backwards
4. DORA: The explorer is a Hobbit
5. A shortened hill meets reversed stick for a race
6. EVERMIND: Eternal memory is a bloomer
7. LAMEDON: Crippled mafia boss is a region

The 'reversed stick' in 4 is also 'dor'. Can you see the password yet?

[Pervinca Took]

See above. :)

HILDOR for 5. I put the letters together myself, but had to google to see if it was the name of a race. As indeed it is - a name used by Elves for the race of men, meaning Followers or Aftercomers.

And EBOR for number 3, the warrior one. (Robe backwards).

[Urwen]

1. ADORN: A stick does a backward flip and lands in the middle of an article for a flower
2. RHUN: A chaser loses half of himself and gains direction in front.....but this area is unknown
3. EBOR: This warrior put his garb on backwards
4. DORA: The explorer is a Hobbit
5. HILDOR: A shortened hill meets reversed stick for a race
6. EVERMIND: Eternal memory is a bloomer
7. LAMEDON: Crippled mafia boss is a region

Right on all fronts.

[Pervinca Took]

Could the unknown area be RHUN? R for the direction, but I thought the rest of the clue would be half of RUNNER, and I can't make that work.

The only chaser I can think of is Turin chasing Saeros - although of course there are the three hunters who chase the orcs, trying to rescue Merry and Pippin.

Maybe Hurin was an athlete and I didn't realise? ;)

[Urwen]

Rhun is correct. R for direction and hun for one half of hunter, synonym for chaser.

I spend quite some time making work. :D

[Pervinca Took]

And I even typed 'hunters' in the sentence and didn't think of it. ;) 'Chasser' in French means both to hunt and to chase.

Another great password, Urwen! :)

Now try this one:

1. Troll’s bloomer.
2. Note great joy in a spin for him.
3. Portal met destruction twice (or is it thrice?) here.
4. Suffered in confusion for him.
5. Internet terror; bridge warden; Took-felled.

[Urwen]

3 is Orodruin.
1 could be Fuiyaru
5 is troll

I'll think more tomorrow.

[Pervinca Took]

1. Troll’s bloomer.
2. Note great joy in a spin for him.
ORODRUIN: Portal met destruction twice (or is it thrice?) here.
4. Suffered in confusion for him.
TROLL: Internet terror; bridge warden; Took-felled. bridge warden

Yes, 'bridge warden' being a homage to 'The Three Billy Goats Gruff,' which my dad used to tell me as a bedtime story when I was about 4. ;)

1 is wrong. Have a look at my post about 'bloomer' the other day. ;)

Urwen, where does Fuiyaru come from?

[Urwen]

Fuiyaru is translated as 'blight' and is called 'gnomes' flower'. Gnomes is a synonym for trolls and bloomer is a flower.

[Pervinca Took]

Ah, OK. What language is it?

[Urwen]

4 could be Beor, anagram of bore, which means suffered, plus he is male, or Ebor, the one I used previously, along the same line of thinking.

[Pervinca Took]

Very, very close with Beor. Now, what if both 'suffered' and its synonym were past participles rather than verbs in the simple past?

[Urwen]

In that case Beorn?

[Pervinca Took]

Correct. Anagram of 'borne.'

[Urwen]

2. Erech (cheer in a spin)?

and Cram for 1.

[Pervinca Took]

Good try, but not Erech. Erech is a place, and 'him' indicates a person, plus you need a note. But you are right to be looking for a synonym of 'great joy' to start with.

You are on the right lines with cram - in fact, you are very close! Except that cram is 'biscuitish,' and flat, I think (like lembas). I realised when I was typing about flowers, bloomers, mounts etc. that there was just ONE Tolkienian instance for which I could use the 'loaf of bread' meaning of 'bloomer,' and thought I would do it before anyone else thought of it. :D

This particular loaf of bread is specifically connected to a troll. It isn't within the pages of LOTR, but it is in a very Hobbitish piece of work. ;)

1. Troll’s bloomer.
2. Note great joy in a spin for him.
ORODRUIN: Portal met destruction twice (or is it thrice?) here.
BEORN: Suffered in confusion for him.
TROLL: Internet terror; bridge warden; Took-felled.

[Urwen]

1. Burra?

[Pervinca Took]

No. The answer can be found in one of the poems in 'The Adventures Of Tom Bombadil.'

[Urwen]

1. Bone (shinbone, to be specific)

[Pervinca Took]

Ah, no. I think the poem you're thinking of is Sam's troll song from LOTR - I think a different version of this may be in The Adventures Of Tom Bombadil.

The actual poem you need is 'Perry The Winkle.'

Set to music by The Hobbitons. There's a recorded version of it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gMF0fCZ1XQ

And here is the full text of the poem (on a page with a couple of others): http://andrewlansdown.com/favourite-poems/jrr-tolkien/

[Urwen]

That was the first poem I found, hence I said 'cram' like 'cramsome bread'

Or maybe bannock

[Pervinca Took]

OK, but cramsome bread is the answer! Not cram. It isn't related to cram at all. Well, not cram as in the ration that Bilbo and the dwarves eat in The Hobbit. I daresay Tolkien coined it from the verb 'to cram' - i.e. to shove in as much as possible - and 'some' (ish). Meaning that it was very filling.

CRAMSOME BREAD: Troll’s bloomer.
2. Note great joy in a spin for him.
ORODRUIN: Portal met destruction twice (or is it thrice?) here.
BEORN: Suffered in confusion for him.
TROLL: Internet terror; bridge warden; Took-felled.

[Urwen]

Then teh password is Ceorl, I am sure you know why. :D

Which means that the second answer begins has a letter E as his second letter.

[Pervinca Took]

CRAMSOME BREAD: Troll’s bloomer.
BELEG: Note great joy in a spin for him.
ORODRUIN: Portal met destruction twice (or is it thrice?) here.
BEORN: Suffered in confusion for him.
TROLL: Internet terror; bridge warden; Took-felled.

[Urwen]

Deagol?

[Pervinca Took]

No. You need an abstract noun meaning great joy. It shouldn't be hard to find if you google for synonyms of joy.

[Urwen]

I found delight, but if I scramble it, I cannot find anyone associated with it

Maybe Beleg? Note (B) + glee scrambled.

[Pervinca Took]

Well done! Beleg it is.

Over to you again!

[Urwen]

For this one, I also prepared a little suprise. It will make sense what a suprise is when you solve everything.

1. A confused basque mineral meets a confused heath plant for a traitor
2. Reversed world meets a shortened hill for a Gondorian
3. A dune with a cut-off tail in this place for him
4. Slim meets a reversed piece of wood for him
5. Initially, giant octopus lay low under mill for the guide
6. Cool insect for an orc

[Galadriel55]

2. Adrahil
5. Gollum

[Urwen]

1. A confused basque mineral meets a confused heath plant for a traitor
ADRAHIL: Reversed world meets a shortened hill for a Gondorian
3. A dune with a cut-off tail in this place for him
4. Slim meets a reversed piece of wood for him
GOLLUM: Initially, giant octopus lay low under mill for the guide
6. Cool insect for an orc

[Pervinca Took]

6. Radbug. (Apparently 'rad' is slang for radical/cool, and a bug is an insect).

[Urwen]

1. A confused basque mineral meets a confused heath plant for a traitor
ADRAHIL: Reversed world meets a shortened hill for a Gondorian
3. A dune with a cut-off tail in this place for him
4. Slim meets a reversed piece of wood for him
GOLLUM: Initially, giant octopus lay low under mill for the guide
RADBUG:Cool insect for an orc

[Pervinca Took]

I think lhind/lind is slim/slender in Sindarin. Dor is rod (piece of wood) backwards.

I'll guess Lindor, but it would mean using the D twice.

Actually, looking it up, there isn't a character called Lindor! Never mind.

[Urwen]

Nope, find a synonym for 'slim'. He is a leader of certain group of people....

[Pervinca Took]

Thorin has thin, but not enough of a backward stick.

OOOOHHHH!!

THINGOL. 'Thin' plus 'log' backwards.

[Urwen]

1. A confused basque mineral meets a confused heath plant for a traitor
ADRAHIL: Reversed world meets a shortened hill for a Gondorian
3. A dune with a cut-off tail in this place for him
THINGOL: Slim meets a reversed piece of wood for him
GOLLUM: Initially, giant octopus lay low under mill for the guide
RADBUG:Cool insect for an orc

[Pervinca Took]

3. A dune with a cut-off tail in this place for him

DUNHERE (dun + here)

Chieftain of the folk of Harrowdale.

[Urwen]

1. A confused basque mineral meets a confused heath plant for a traitor
ADRAHIL: Reversed world meets a shortened hill for a Gondorian
DUNHERE: A dune with a cut-off tail in this place for him
THINGOL: Slim meets a reversed piece of wood for him
GOLLUM: Initially, giant octopus lay low under mill for the guide
RADBUG: Cool insect for an orc

Almost there. I suggest googling 'basque mineral' and 'heath plant'. I got them from reverse searching parts of the name. Then you'll see the suprise.

[Pervinca Took]

I came across Alzola, but I can't think of a traitor with Z in their name, except for Ar-Pharazon, which doesn't contain any L's.

[Galadriel55]

I started out backwards. Off the top of my head, a list of traitors:

Gorlim
Maeglin
Gollum
Ulfang
Mim
Most of Feanor's sons
Saruman


Gollum and Mim can be eliminated straight away - the former is the answer to a different clue, and the latter is too short to contain two scrambled words.

Searching scrambled bits of a few of the above found me a couple of godforsaken geographical locations, obscure genera, random political movements, and a massage therapist. Great. :rolleyes:

[Pervinca Took]

Alzola + Erica ...

(Erica (the Latin term for 'heather,') came up when I googled 'heath plant.'

I bet it's one of those Numenorean kings ... Ar something.

EDIT: Anana also comes up for Basque mineral / Basque liquid salt. Anana + Erica?

[Galadriel55]

Ohhh, it's heath plants! I read that as "health plant", which would have made the search MUCH more extensive. I feel a Treebeard moment coming in. :rolleyes:

Anyways, I also found Calluna as another Latin term for heath. No idea what that could lead to, though.

[Urwen]

I started out backwards. Off the top of my head, a list of traitors:

Gorlim
Maeglin
Ulfang



I'll make it easier, the answer is one of these three.

Also, part of his name could also mean 'me' or 'my' in latin when you unscramble it......kinda fitting for this particular one.....

[Galadriel55]

Very little knowledge of Latin here... I just remember that I is ego. But Google Translate insists that my/mine is meus, mea, mei. Thus, Maeglin it is.

Ling now shows up as a synonym for Calluna vulgaris, aka heather. Still can't find a concrete mineral from the first part - I just keep getting acronyms for various mining/mineral organizations, like Energy and Minerals Australia.

[Galadriel55]

Still can't see the password. ERNIL comes up vertically, but it's one letter short. NIENOR can vaguely be seen diagonally, but there's a jump between the N and O.

Oh! But wait! If you align all the words against the RIGHT side, then Nienor fits perfectly! :D

[Urwen]

Still can't see the password. ERNIL comes up vertically, but it's one letter short. NIENOR can vaguely be seen diagonally, but there's a jump between the N and O.

Oh! But wait! If you align all the words against the RIGHT side, then Nienor fits perfectly! :D

MAEGLIN: A confused basque mineral meets a confused heath plant for a traitor
ADRAHIL: Reversed world meets a shortened hill for a Gondorian
DUNHERE: A dune with a cut-off tail in this place for him
THINGOL: Slim meets a reversed piece of wood for him
GOLLUM: Initially, giant octopus lay low under mill for the guide
RADBUG: Cool insect for an orc

That's it exactly. I tried to find the answers that would match against the left side, but couldn't find any, so I decided to go with the right side. T'is my big sis indeed.

As for mea bit, well, mea means mineral in basque, hence basque mineral.

[Galadriel55]

Tada! Here's another one that I enjoyed compiling, but that will probably be very easy once the first couple clues are solved.

1. Listen! In mirrored nut is he.
2. He blends local star with biblical brother.
3. Earthquake happens while company meets derogatory dragon on short street, and he appears.
4. Small aged dwarf takes direction from him.
5. He hears player jogs with animals.

Enjoy!

[Pervinca Took]

Nice one! I was going to post 'Is the surprise that there is no password?', but Galadriel's eagle eye saw what mine did not.

[Pervinca Took]

1. Tharkun. (Hark in a mirror image of nut).

2. Incanus (sun + Cain).

Both names of Gandalf, I think?

I'm wondering if it's one of those passwords where each clue connects to something, and that something is the password (like the 'Tolkien' one you did a while ago). Because I think that:

3. Is Stormcrow (co + worm + str) earthquaked/shaken up ... (Although at first I was using the standard shortening of street - St - and got as far as StormCOW. ;)

... and that the password might be GANDALF. (It was only when 'Stormcrow' started to form that I thought this, though. Thought Tharkun and Incanus was a coincidence at first).

4. Olorin (Ol (small old) + R + Oin).

I think 5 might be Mithrandir - but the only bit I can make work is 'deer' for 'dir' - 'ran' being the wrong tense for 'jogs.'

[Galadriel55]

Nice one! I was going to post 'Is the surprise that there is no password?', but Galadriel's eagle eye saw what mine did not.

Don't blame my eyes, it was just the graph paper. :p

1. Tharkun. (Hark in a mirror image of nut).

2. Incanus (sun + Cain).

Both names of Gandalf, I think?

I'm wondering if it's one of those passwords where each clue connects to something, and that something is the password (like the 'Tolkien' one you did a while ago). Because I think that:

3. Is Stormcrow (co + worm + str) earthquaked/shaken up ... (Although at first I was using the standard shortening of street - St - and got as far as StormCOW.

... and that the password might be GANDALF. (It was only when 'Stormcrow' started to form that I thought this, though. Thought Tharkun and Incanus was a coincidence at first).

4. Olorin (Ol (small old) + R + Oin).

I think 5 might be Mithrandir - but the only bit I can make work is 'deer' for 'dir' - 'ran' being the wrong tense for 'jogs.'

Ha! Told you you'd get it after the first couple clues. :) But this must be a record - to solve all in one post. :) Any guesses about why Mithrandir?


PASSWORD: GANDALF
1. THARKUN Listen! In mirrored nut is he.
2. INCANUS He blends local star with biblical brother.
3. STORMCROW Earthquake happens while company meets derogatory dragon on short street, and he appears.
4. OLORIN Small aged dwarf takes direction from him.
5. MITHRANDIR He hears player jogs with animals.

[Galadriel55]

The past two days were my vacation in between babysitting and university, so I've had way more time than I did in months, which lead me to dig up old clues including this old gem of yours, Pervinca:

3. Legend sprinted expensively, we hear, for an epesse with a tempestuous echo.

Funny, how we both picked such similar clues to represent the same person. :D It's either just the way the name is, or some subconscious memory. :eek:

[Pervinca Took]

Your 'Tolkien family' one was one of my favourites, and so was 'Brown Lands.' And the zigzag one.

I did remember my Mithrandir clue, because it was in one of my earliest passwords and I remember constructing the clue, but I think I'm maybe proudest of 'Cramsome bread' because I found one instance, and one only I think, where a 'bloomer' in Tolkien could be a loaf of bread and not a flower. :D (Also a bit embarrassed that 'dear' is an adjective and 'expensively' an adverb, so clue not 100% accurate!)

I have all my past cryptic clues and passwords saved in a document together, though, with new ones I write as I need them or the obsession takes me again (!) - I look through it now and again to make sure I'm not exactly repeating a clue if I'm using the same answer again.

But that still doesn't bring me any closer to answering your MITHRANDIR properly ... and I only guessed 'deer' because I'd run out of other Gandalf aliases. ;)

Please tell me! 'Mithran' is a Hindu name meaning sun ... a player can mean a cad or bounder as well as a gamester ... but I can't get either to fit.

Oh, and I edited my post several times. It took a while to guess them all. :)

P.S. It isn't that 'Mithran' sounds a bit like 'Marathon,' is it?

[Pervinca Took]

This one took ages to write, but you won't see why until the end. :)

1. Shakespearean harlot runs backwards for him.
2. Flower rearranged for a Baggins.
3. Complex role for this warrior.
4. Hope lost direction for her.

[Galadriel55]

Your 'Tolkien family' one was one of my favourites, and so was 'Brown Lands.' And the zigzag one.

I did remember my Mithrandir clue, because it was in one of my earliest passwords and I remember constructing the clue, but I think I'm maybe proudest of 'Cramsome bread' because I found one instance, and one only I think, where a 'bloomer' in Tolkien could be a loaf of bread and not a flower. (Also a bit embarrassed that 'dear' is an adjective and 'expensively' an adverb, so clue not 100% accurate!)

I have all my past cryptic clues and passwords saved in a document together, though, with new ones I write as I need them or the obsession takes me again (!) - I look through it now and again to make sure I'm not exactly repeating a clue if I'm using the same answer again.

But that still doesn't bring me any closer to answering your MITHRANDIR properly ... and I only guessed 'deer' because I'd run out of other Gandalf aliases. ;)

Please tell me! 'Mithran' is a Hindu name meaning sun ... a player can mean a cad or bounder as well as a gamester ... but I can't get either to fit.

Oh, and I edited my post several times. It took a while to guess them all. :)

P.S. It isn't that 'Mithran' sounds a bit like 'Marathon,' is it?

Well, ok, to be perfectly honest my grammar doesn't work properly either. Originally the clue said "password player", but I thought it would be too easy. It's Mith+run+deer - hence the present tense of jogs, but then I realized the proper equivalent would be runs, not run. So we're quits. :)

3. Eorl?

1 seems easy, but I don't seem to have the right Shakespearean term. The first thing that came to mind was strumpet, but tepmurtz doesn't ring a bell. The only specific harlot I can recall from my not-too-extensive knowledge is Bianca, but she doesn't run back well either.

[Pervinca Took]

Not Bianca, or Mistress Quickly (or Doll Tearsheet, for that matter!) Hamlet uses the term I'm after in the 'Hecuba' soliloquy.

Eorl is correct.

And deserved fame for Mith!

1. Shakespearean harlot runs backwards for him.
2. Flower rearranged for a Baggins.
EORL: Complex role for this warrior.
4. Hope lost direction for her.

[Galadriel55]

Not Bianca, or Mistress Quickly (or Doll Tearsheet, for that matter!) Hamlet uses the term I'm after in the 'Hecuba' soliloquy.

Ah, found it (but I had to look it up). The answer is Bard.

4. Este?

Not keen on family trees, so 2 might take some more time. Also, for some reason it bothers me that so far all the answers have 4 letters. :confused:

[Pervinca Took]

Why should it bother you? ;)

Correct. DRAB backwards is BARD and ESTEL minus L is ESTE.

[Urwen]

I've got it. 2 is Rosa, aka Aros the flower jumbled up.

The password is Bree then.

[Pervinca Took]

Yes, Rosa.

Yes, Bree.

And ................?

[Urwen]

Dale.

[Pervinca Took]

Correct. It might not look much, but it took ages to get a 4 by 4 grid in Tolkien names with a password both ends. ;) I wanted to make one like you see in squares/a grid, like in puzzle books.

I tried and tried to get one or both diagonals as well, but couldn't. At least the across ones were people and the down ones were places, though.

BARD: Shakespearean harlot runs backwards for him.
ROSA: Flower rearranged for a Baggins.
EORL: Complex role for this warrior.
ESTE: Hope lost direction for her.

Well done both, and over to Urwen.

[Urwen]

How about this?

1. Carbon precedes confused knowledge
2. Flame girl
3. Reversed wound meets a rodent for him
4. A man of stature meets a negative atom for a flower
5. Confused bullfighting cry for him
6. Leader of sea-farers
7. Note precedes confused entrance for a hero
8. Dark girl is the enemy of darkness
9. Reversed yell precedes a substance made from carbon
10. Direction precedes male name for her
11. Bleak meets an article for him
12. He shares his name with a Roman emperor
13. Reversed cut-off way for him
14. He keeps the beverage

I had a lot of fun picking this particular one and making it work. Some clues are straightforward, some are not.

[Pervinca Took]

1. Ceorl
3. Shagrat
6. Aldarion?

[Pervinca Took]

2. Arien?

[Urwen]

CEORL: Carbon precedes confused knowledge
2. Flame girl
SHAGRAT: Reversed wound meets a rodent for him
4. A man of stature meets a negative atom for a flower
5. Confused bullfighting cry for him
6. Leader of sea-farers
7. Note precedes confused entrance for a hero
8. Dark girl is the enemy of darkness
9. Reversed yell precedes a substance made from carbon
10. Direction precedes male name for her
11. Bleak meets an article for him
12. He shares his name with a Roman emperor
13. Reversed cut-off way for him
14. He keeps the beverage

Nope for 2 and 3...... for 2, try translating 'flame', and 8 is along similar lines.

[Pervinca Took]

10. Rian?

[Pervinca Took]

6. Tar?

[Pervinca Took]

7. Frodo.

[Urwen]

CEORL: Carbon precedes confused knowledge
2. Flame girl
SHAGRAT: Reversed wound meets a rodent for him
4. A man of stature meets a negative atom for a flower
5. Confused bullfighting cry for him
6. Leader of sea-farers
FRODO: Note precedes confused entrance for a hero
8. Dark girl is the enemy of darkness
9. Reversed yell precedes a substance made from carbon
RIAN: Direction precedes male name for her
11. Bleak meets an article for him
12. He shares his name with a Roman emperor
13. Reversed cut-off way for him
14. He keeps the beverage

[Pervinca Took]

2. Silwen?

[Urwen]

Nope, but you got the girl part right, now translate flame. Also, I forgot one letter

CEORL:Carbon precedes confused knowledge
2. Flame girl
3. An accursed jewel
SHAGRAT: Reversed wound meets a rodent for him
5. A man of stature meets a negative atom for a flower
6. Confused bullfighting cry for him
7. Leader of sea-farers
FRODO: Note precedes confused entrance for a hero
9. Dark girl is the enemy of darkness
10. Reversed yell precedes a substance made from carbon
RIAN: Direction precedes male name for her
12. Bleak meets an article for him
13. He shares his name with a Roman emperor
14. Reversed cut-off way for him
15. He keeps the beverage

It should actually be like this.

[Pervinca Took]

Is there a river called Sirion? (Sir + ion).

[Urwen]

Is there a river called Sirion? (Sir + ion).

Yes. Chief river in Beleriand of old.

CEORL:Carbon precedes confused knowledge
2. Flame girl
3. An accursed jewel
SHAGRAT: Reversed wound meets a rodent for him
6. Confused bullfighting cry for him
7. Leader of sea-farers
FRODO: Note precedes confused entrance for a hero
8. Dark girl is the enemy of darkness
9. Reversed yell precedes a substance made from carbon
RIAN: Direction precedes male name for her
11. Bleak meets an article for him
12. He shares his name with a Roman emperor
13. Reversed cut-off way for him
14. He keeps the beverage

I seem to have made two mistakes in clue placement, hopefully there won't be any more.....sorry.....

[Pervinca Took]

Oh ... The man of stature one that I thought was SIRION seems to have disappeared.

[Urwen]

Yup, it was unneeded, which I realized when you answered. There were two S's when there was supposed to be one.

[Pervinca Took]

SIL does mean flame! ;)

So does MAR.

Question is, is there a Tolkien character called NARWEN, or is it just a Tolkien fan name?

[Urwen]

Hint: *points to self*

[Pervinca Took]

Urwen?

[Urwen]

CEORL:Carbon precedes confused knowledge
URWEN: Flame girl
3. An accursed jewel
SHAGRAT: Reversed wound meets a rodent for him
6. Confused bullfighting cry for him
7. Leader of sea-farers
FRODO: Note precedes confused entrance for a hero
8. Dark girl is the enemy of darkness
9. Reversed yell precedes a substance made from carbon
RIAN: Direction precedes male name for her
11. Bleak meets an article for him
12. He shares his name with a Roman emperor
13. Reversed cut-off way for him
14. He keeps the beverage

Yes, apparently UR also means flame/fire in elvish.

[Pervinca Took]

Curse Of Morgoth?

I went back to Jim Allan's 'An Introduction To Elvish' and 'ur' was listed as heat/hot, I think.

[Pervinca Took]

And maybe Morwen for 8? I can't remember why she's the enemy of darkness, although her family all opposed Melkor, of course.

[Urwen]

And maybe Morwen for 8? I can't remember why she's the enemy of darkness, although her family all opposed Melkor, of course.

That's exactly why she is an enemy of darkness.

CEORL:Carbon precedes confused knowledge
URWEN: Flame girl
R:An accursed jewel
SHAGRAT: Reversed wound meets a rodent for him
E: Confused bullfighting cry for him
O: Leader of sea-farers
FRODO: Note precedes confused entrance for a hero
MORWEN: Dark girl is the enemy of darkness
O: Reversed yell precedes a substance made from carbon
RIAN: Direction precedes male name for her
G: Bleak meets an article for him
O: He shares his name with a Roman emperor
T: Reversed cut-off way for him
H: He keeps the beverage

Two of the clues I used are victims of the password, even if only one actually suffered from it........Originally I wanted the password to be 'children of hurin' with all of the names from that book used as clues, but there was no way I could make that work

[Pervinca Took]

Grima for the bleak one. I went through lots of synonyms for bleak, and the Elvish, but forgot grim.

Shagrat could be seen as a victim of Morgoth. And Frodo was a victim of his chief servant.

[Pervinca Took]

And OTHO was a Roman Emperor.

[Pervinca Took]

Holdwine for the beverage keeper?

[Galadriel55]

E for Eol.

Hazard a guess - Osse for the seafarer leader?

For some reason, the first thing I thought of when looking at the T clue was "dead end", and when I reversed that I got "end dead". :D

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

6 is Olwë. leader of the Teleri in Aman.

[Galadriel55]

Ohtar for the carbon clue?

[Urwen]

CEORL:Carbon precedes confused knowledge
URWEN: Flame girl
R:An accursed jewel
SHAGRAT: Reversed wound meets a rodent for him
EOL: Confused bullfighting cry for him
OLWE: Leader of sea-farers
FRODO: Note precedes confused entrance for a hero
MORWEN: Dark girl is the enemy of darkness
OHTAR: Reversed yell precedes a substance made from carbon
RIAN: Direction precedes male name for her
GRIMA: Bleak meets an article for him
OTTO: He shares his name with a Roman emperor
T: Reversed cut-off way for him
HOLDWINE: He keeps the beverage

Well, they were all victims, but guess who Curse of Morgoth was cast upon?

[Pervinca Took]

Turin, but apart from rut backwards I can't make it work.

[Pervinca Took]

The accursed jewel isn't the Ring, is it?

[Urwen]

But it can.

CEORL:Carbon precedes confused knowledge
URWEN: Flame girl
RING: An accursed jewel
SHAGRAT: Reversed wound meets a rodent for him
EOL: Confused bullfighting cry for him
OLWE: Leader of sea-farers
FRODO: Note precedes confused entrance for a hero
MORWEN: Dark girl is the enemy of darkness
OHTAR: Reversed yell precedes a substance made from carbon
RIAN: Direction precedes male name for her
GRIMA: Bleak meets an article for him
OTTO: He shares his name with a Roman emperor
T: Reversed cut-off way for him
HOLDWINE: He keeps the beverage

The last one isn't Turin, but his father's brother's son.

[Pervinca Took]

Oh, Tutor. Route backwards with the E cut off.

[Pervinca Took]

TUOR. I need to find out how to turn off Autocorrect.

[Urwen]

CEORL:Carbon precedes confused knowledge
URWEN: Flame girl
RING: An accursed jewel
SHAGRAT: Reversed wound meets a rodent for him
EOL: Confused bullfighting cry for him
OLWE: Leader of sea-farers
FRODO: Note precedes confused entrance for a hero
MORWEN: Dark girl is the enemy of darkness
OHTAR: Reversed yell precedes a substance made from carbon
RIAN: Direction precedes male name for her
GRIMA: Bleak meets an article for him
OTTO: He shares his name with a Roman emperor
TUOR: Reversed cut-off way for him
HOLDWINE: He keeps the beverage

And it's yours. By the way, Galadriel55 here could attest to what I did in my crazy era. with my namesake in particular.

[Galadriel55]

And it's yours. By the way, Galadriel55 here could attest to what I did in my crazy era. with my namesake in particular.

*Hides under a rock* Looking for G55? No, she's not home. Yes, I'm sure. Come back tomorrow... or the day after... but never works fine as well...


:p;)

[Pervinca Took]

The emperor is Otho, though, isn't it, not Otto? I don't think there's a hobbit called Otto in the family trees.

Here's another one:

1. ‘Oo, those awful ...!’ Quite translated.
2. Ancient people of divine spirit?
3. Two notes assemble to laugh.
4. Finesse changes note for a resplendent thing.

[Galadriel55]

3. Lalaith?....

[Pervinca Took]

No, but very close.

(There's nothing to indicate that it's a person). ;)

[Mithalwen]

2 Maia? Just because ancient people made me think of Mayans?

[Pervinca Took]

Excellent answer, but not the right one here.

[Galadriel55]

Lala then?

[Pervinca Took]

Yes. The verb 'to laugh.'

[Pervinca Took]

1. ‘Oo, those awful ...!’ Quite translated.
2. Ancient people of divine spirit?
LALA: Two notes assemble to laugh.
4. Finesse changes note for a resplendent thing.

[Pervinca Took]

HINT: This password is rather similar to my last one ....

[Galadriel55]

I tried googling the clue for #1 and I got a bunch of results for "OO, those awful orcs". :confused:

[Pervinca Took]

Oh, sorry ... I did wonder if I had remembered the wrong adjective, and I had. :(

Still, apply the instruction in the second sentence of the clue, and hey presto!

'Oo, those awful orcs' is the title of a well-known early criticism of LOTR.

[Galadriel55]

Yrch?

[Galadriel55]

And is (one of) the password(s) YULE?

[Pervinca Took]

Yrch is correct. Yule is not *quite* correct.

YRCH: ‘Oo, those awful ...!’ Quite translated.
2. Ancient people of divine spirit?
LALA: Two notes assemble to laugh.
4. Finesse changes note for a resplendent thing.

[Galadriel55]

The only other word I can think of for a vertical is Yale - unless it's a diagonal. Ainu(r) for #2?

[Mithalwen]

Is 4 elen? ELAN swapping the a for an e...

[Pervinca Took]

Indeed - Yale, the area of the Shire which Mithalwen once used as the answer for a clue.

'Elen,' meaning star, is also correct, for the reason that Mith gave.

'Ainu' - yes, I googled it and it is the name of an ancient people.

YRCH: ‘Oo, those awful ...!’ Quite translated.
AINU: Ancient people of divine spirit?
LALA: Two notes assemble to laugh.
ELEN: Finesse changes note for a resplendent thing.

So, over to Galadriel ... but can you tell me the other password first?

[Galadriel55]

HUAN, the cute little talking puppy. :p

I looked up Ainu now, and they are a people from the Japan / Sakhalin area. That's really cool, I didn't know that before.

Will have a password up the next couple days.

[Pervinca Took]

Indeed!

And I didn't know about the ancient Ainu people either, until I googled the word.

YRCH: ‘Oo, those awful ...!’ Quite translated.
AINU: Ancient people of divine spirit?
LALA: Two notes assemble to laugh.
ELEN: Finesse changes note for a resplendent thing.

[Mithalwen]

Oh I knew about Ainu from when I learnt Japanese but never thought of them.

[Galadriel55]

Voila! Some of these might be a bit too tricky, so hints will be provided.


1. Confused, fool tells lie to small company. Twice noted helping hand.
2. Note the direction upheave male name for messenger.
3. Princes direct queue back.
4. Allow rodent to reverse. Broken by negative argument from king.
5. Short girl with unusual name sends storm north in the future.
6. Hero charged particle after broken record announced food.


Happy riddling!

[Pervinca Took]

Could the first one be FOLCO? Fool slightly muddled, plus C, small part of company (although I though at first it would be CO, standard abbreviation of company).

Folco lent a helping hand to Frodo when he 'moved' from Bag End (packing etc), and possibly he was only mentioned twice, although I think he was a conspirator as well (at least to some degree). Tells lies - didn't all the conpirators lie or at least deceive, to protect Frodo's secret?

[Galadriel55]

Right person, and almost right name. The full answer accounts for all parts of the clue - your explanation puts too many as straight clues.

[Pervinca Took]

FOLCO BOFFIN.

I only know a Boffin as a sort of computer genius, though ... or an expert in a particular field.

Yes, curious fellow, Folco. Goes home after lunch and we don't hear of him again. Perhaps he wasn't in the 'full' conspiracy at all.

There is FIB for 'tell lies' (which I did try to work into the answer from the beginning), and I suppose the O in Boffin could give us CO instead of C, but that still leaves a spare FN that I can't account for.

3. ERNIL? Line backwards with the direction R in it?

[Galadriel55]

FOLCO BOFFIN Confused, fool tells lie to small company. Twice noted helping hand.
2. Note the direction upheave male name for messenger.
ERNIL Princes direct queue back.
4. Allow rodent to reverse. Broken by negative argument from king.
5. Short girl with unusual name sends storm north in the future.
6. Hero charged particle after broken record announced food.


I broke down Folco Boffin into anagrams - fool=loon, lie=fib, small company=co, twice noted=FF.

[Mithalwen]

I have been trying to make 4 a king of Numenor because their names are usually prefixed Tar- which is rat backwards. I wondered about Telemmaite because it starts with let (allow) backwards but I can't make the rest work.. back to drawing board?

[Galadriel55]

Let and rat are correct. Not king of Numenor, but related to them.

[Galadriel55]

PS: I realized that my clue for 5 doesn't follow proper format. I really like the clue, but I'll edit it to make it more solvable.


FOLCO BOFFIN Confused, fool tells lie to small company. Twice noted helping hand.
2. Note the direction upheave male name for messenger.
ERNIL Princes direct queue back.
4. Allow rodent to reverse. Broken by negative argument from king.
5. Short girl with unusual name sends storm north in the future to the forest.
6. Hero charged particle after broken record announced food.

[Pervinca Took]

Telcontar?

Not sure about the con - it's swindle, or else learn in Shakespearean, or with i Italian, I think, none of which work. Perhaps there is a Latin term used in debating that I don't know?

[Galadriel55]

Not sure about the con - it's swindle, or else learn in Shakespearean, or with i Italian, I think, none of which work. Perhaps there is a Latin term used in debating that I don't know?

I was just going for con, as in pros and cons. :confused: Maybe it's not as used your side of the pond?

FOLCO BOFFIN Confused, fool tells lie to small company. Twice noted helping hand.
2. Note the direction upheave male name for messenger.
ERNIL Princes direct queue back.
TELCONTAR Allow rodent to reverse. Broken by negative argument from king.
5. Short girl with unusual name sends storm north in the future to the forest.
6. Hero charged particle after broken record announced food.

[Pervinca Took]

Oh! Excellent clues. I was just thinking of the wrong kind of argument - a debate (where you'd have things like non-sequiturs) rather than the arguments for or against doing something.

2. Note the direction upheave male name for messenger.

Could this be GELMIR, the messenger of Cirdan?

Had to work backwards, but I managed to find REG (male name) heaved backwards; L is a direction; MI is the name of a note.

[Galadriel55]

That was perfect reasoning, but sadly wrong messenger.

[Pervinca Took]

Maybe CIRION?

C for note, R for direction, and can 'Ian' also be spelled 'Ioin?'

If it's correct, I can see ERIO (Sindarin for 'risen') going up the second column of letters, but I don't know anything with only two letters before that; Eglerio is one letter too long. I can also see BOIL as a diagonal, but that's not much good either. ;)

[Galadriel55]

Not Cirion. This messenger has been used recently in another password - can't remember for sure but I think it was even one of your own. :)

Also, neither password is correct. :p

[Pervinca Took]

If crap messengers count, I'll try to do something with Barliman. ;)

Brian + l + a ... but alas no m.

I guess messengers have to complete the job to qualify. ;)

[Galadriel55]

Ok... You're looking for a male name that is actually an animal, at least etymologically.

Hope this helps you find the right one.

[Galadriel55]

My bad. It wasn't your password. I just looked it up and it was one of Urwen's.

[Urwen]

Ebor = E+Bo+R?

I read in a book that Bo could be a male name.....

[Galadriel55]

Not Ebor. Remember, etymologically the name means a certain animal - and you wouldn't have to check the dictionary to recognize this one.

[Urwen]

Ceorl? Roe reversed + C + L

[Galadriel55]

Ceorl? Roe reversed + C + L

It's Ceorl, but the male name in question is Leo. Roe also works here, but it's female. Good catch, I haven't even considered it.

FOLCO BOFFIN Confused, fool tells lie to small company. Twice noted helping hand.
CEORL Note the direction upheave male name for messenger.
ERNIL Princes direct queue back.
TELCONTAR Allow rodent to reverse. Broken by negative argument from king.
5. Short girl with unusual name sends storm north in the future to the forest.
6. Hero charged particle after broken record announced food.

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

I think 5 is Eryn Lasgalen

[Galadriel55]

I think 5 is Eryn Lasgalen

You think correctly.

[Pervinca Took]

Excellent work. I get everything except 'the future.' Is there another name for the future tense, or the future tense in another language, perhaps?

[Galadriel55]

Wait... oooops. :o

Massive screw up. :o


The final answer is not Eryn Lasgalen. Thank you Pervinca for noting the "future". The rest of the clue codes for Eryn Lasgalen, but you need the last bit to get to the final answer.

I'm really sorry for this confusion. I was posting off my phone, saw a familiar word, and didn't bother checking it with the clue. I will try to be more careful with that in the future. :(

[Pervinca Took]

All I can think of is Mirkwood or Taur-nu-Fuin, because that forest would be called Eryn Lasgalen in the future.

[Pervinca Took]

If I put Mirkwood in, I think I can read Crickhollow down the fourth column of letters followed by the fifth, if a) the last row/line is not used the second time round or b) the answer to the final clue is short enough not to stretch to line 5.

I have thought all along, though, that the final clue ends in ION, and I now think the fourth letter of it is H. I have toyed with Erchamion (or Cuthalion), but simply couldn't make the letters all work (apart from HAM for food in Erchamion).

Oh, hang on, is ERC enough of record for broken record? I kind of wondered stuff like this, but thought it too much of a long shot.

[Galadriel55]

If I put Mirkwood in, I think I can read Crickhollow down the fourth column of letters followed by the fifth, if a) the last row/line is not used the second time round or b) the answer to the final clue is short enough not to stretch to line 5.

I have thought all along, though, that the final clue ends in ION, and I now think the fourth letter of it is H. I have toyed with Erchamion (or Cuthalion), but simply couldn't make the letters all work (apart from HAM for food in Erchamion).

Oh, hang on, is ERC enough of record for broken record? I kind of wondered stuff like this, but thought it too much of a long shot.

Bravo!


FOLCO BOFFIN Confused, fool tells lie to small company. Twice noted helping hand.
CEORL Note the direction upheave male name for messenger.
ERNIL Princes direct queue back.
TELCONTAR Allow rodent to reverse. Broken by negative argument from king.
MIRKWOOD Short girl with unusual name sends storm north in the future to the forest.
ERCHAMION Hero charged particle after broken record announced food.

I had an idea to do a password that goes to the second column and had to find a word that would be long enough, not obvious enough once you got a couple letters, and have decent letter combinations. At first I couldn't think of anything with KW, but Enc. of Arda suggested Mirkwood, so I stuck with Crickhollow as the password.

Sorry again about the confusion with Mirkwood. And yes, ERC is broken REC, which stands for record.

So over to you now. :)

[Pervinca Took]

That was a challenging one. I searched and searched for that password!

Where was the 'announced' bit, though?

[Mithalwen]

Isn't it another way of saying precedes?

[Galadriel55]

Isn't it another way of saying precedes?

Yeah, that's what I was aiming for.

I think some of the best clues on the cryptic thread are those that read as completely normal sentences, and only upon very careful dissection appear as clues at all. I try to make mine that way, but it doesn't always work. But if I can find a synonym that works better within the sentence, I think it makes the clue better.

[Pervinca Took]

They were great clues. Did you realise that 'twice noted' was both cryptic and straight when you wrote it?

The next password:

1. Old-fashioned sweetheart changes note in a tumult in the sky.
2. Letters lose approval, we hear, in the pass.
3. Direction found in muddied clay leads to the light.

[Urwen]

1 is Menel. Leman-A + E equals Lemen. Switch that around and you get Menel, or the sky in Arda cosmology.

And with that alone, I say that the password is Mim.

[Pervinca Took]

MENEL: Old-fashioned sweetheart changes note in a tumult in the sky.
2. Letters lose approval, we hear, in the pass.
3. Direction found in muddied clay leads to the light.

Yes, you have one of the passwords. But I am not putting it in until you work out where it is. ;)

[Urwen]

3 is Ormal, loam+r, also switched to make a lamp.

Now to crack the 2nd.....I will crack it, I swear.....

Oh, and methinks the other password is Oin. Methinks someone is fascinated with dwarf names....;)

Well, despite not being able to crack it yet, I still say 2 is Cirith, elvish for pass.

[Galadriel55]

They were great clues. Did you realise that 'twice noted' was both cryptic and straight when you wrote it?

No. I was only intending the cryptic part. Is he actually mentioned exactly twice? I remembered that he only appears very briefly, but I haven't thought of that. One time or three times were just as good to me.

[Pervinca Took]

He may be mentioned 3 times, but very close together.

Ormal is right, and so are Mim and Oin. Cirith is the correct pass, but it is not the answer to clue 2.

[Urwen]

Cirith Ungol?

[Pervinca Took]

No pass is the final answer. How about the rest of the clue? ;)

[Galadriel55]

Cirth? Cirith loses "aye"?

[Pervinca Took]

Yes!

And so over to Urwen.

[Pervinca Took]

MENEL: Old-fashioned sweetheart changes note in a tumult in the sky.
C IRTH: Letters lose approval, we hear, in the pass.
ORMAL: Direction found in muddied clay leads to the light.

[Urwen]

Take a crack at this.

1. Sob in confusion for him
2. Rare metal follows proposition for him
3. Lady of the flies
4. A bruise in confusion followed by a material for her
5. Ancient city preceded by a chemical element for him
6. In confusion, Nordic poem loses a note followed by a reversed trunk for him
7. Female name is followed by a pronoun for her
8. Direction precedes confused flower for him

[Galadriel55]

7. Elenwe

[Urwen]

1. Sob in confusion for him
2. Rare metal follows proposition for him
3. Lady of the flies
4. A bruise in confusion followed by a material for her
5. Ancient city preceded by a chemical element for him
6. In confusion, Nordic poem loses a note followed by a reversed trunk for him
ELENWE: Female name is followed by a pronoun for her
8. Direction precedes confused flower for him

[Pervinca Took]

3. Elwing?

5. Orome?

[Urwen]

Nope to 3. It's far easier than that.

1. Sob in confusion for him
2. Rare metal follows proposition for him
3. Lady of the flies
4. A bruise in confusion followed by a material for her
OROME: Ancient city preceded by a chemical element for him
6. In confusion, Nordic poem loses a note followed by a reversed trunk for him
ELENWE: Female name is followed by a pronoun for her
8. Direction precedes confused flower for him

[Pervinca Took]

3. Shelob? Metaphorical flies?

8. There are so many flowers of both kinds, but I will try SAEROS, s plus a rose, although I doubt if there should be an article as well as the bloom/river.

[Urwen]

3. Shelob? Metaphorical flies?

8. There are so many flowers of both kinds, but I will try SAEROS, s plus a rose, although I doubt if there should be an article as well as the bloom/river.

Nope. For 3, try finding synonyms for 'lady' and 'flies' and that will give you the answer. For 8, the flower is a Tolkien flower.

[Pervinca Took]

I can make GALADRIEL from the word GLIDE and the woman's name LARA, but the clue says flies, not fly, and Lara is a girl's name, not an anagram for lady.

[Urwen]

Okay, 3 is the wife of certain farmer, and 8 is an Easterling.

[Pervinca Took]

Farmer Cotton's wife is called Lily, I think. Farmer Maggot's wife isn't named, and I don't think Farmer Giles is married.

[Pervinca Took]

8. Lorgan. L + Narog (confused).

[Pervinca Took]

Nimrodel for the password.

So therefore Mrs Maggot for Lady of the flies - maggots are the larva form of flies, and I guess Mrs for lady.

[Urwen]

1. Sob in confusion for him
2. Rare metal follows proposition for him
MRS. MAGGOT: Lady of the flies
4. A bruise in confusion followed by a material for her
OROME: Ancient city preceded by a chemical element for him
6. In confusion, Nordic poem loses a note followed by a reversed trunk for him
ELENWE: Female name is followed by a pronoun for her
LORGAN: Direction precedes confused flower for him

Password is correct. I wanted to make her the password for a long time.

[Pervinca Took]

Is 4 Rose Cotton, with sore as the answer to bruise?

I still think 6 can only start DAE, (Edda minus D), but the only person I can find is the well-known Daeron, and I can't find a way for NOR to mean trunk.

[Urwen]

1. Sob in confusion for him
2. Rare metal follows proposition for him
MRS. MAGGOT: Lady of the flies
ROSE COTTON: A bruise in confusion followed by a material for her
OROME: Ancient city preceded by a chemical element for him
6. In confusion, Nordic poem loses a note followed by a reversed trunk for him
ELENWE: Female name is followed by a pronoun for her
LORGAN: Direction precedes confused flower for him

For 6, thinks about my previous passwords and clues in them that involved wood.

[Galadriel55]

I still think 6 can only start DAE, (Edda minus D), but the only person I can find is the well-known Daeron, and I can't find a way for NOR to mean trunk.

Huh, I tried that too with no luck.

[Pervinca Took]

Is there a Daedor?

[Urwen]

No, but there is someone else. Maybe this would help

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v611/anny3714/captions_4_24.jpg

[Pervinca Took]

Deagol. Could not think of any Dea starting names and forgot about log.

[Mithalwen]

Farmer Cotton's wife is called Lily, I think. Farmer Maggot's wife isn't named, and I don't think Farmer Giles is married.

Farmer Giles was married I am not certain of her name (Agatha has popped in to my head) but IIRC getting round her was a long walk.

[Urwen]

1. Sob in confusion for him
2. Rare metal follows proposition for him
MRS. MAGGOT: Lady of the flies
ROSE COTTON: A bruise in confusion followed by a material for her
OROME: Ancient city preceded by a chemical element for him
DEAGOL: In confusion, Nordic poem loses a note followed by a reversed trunk for him
ELENWE: Female name is followed by a pronoun for her
LORGAN: Direction precedes confused flower for him

[Pervinca Took]

1. Namo, from moan?

[Pervinca Took]

Could 2 be Ingold? I thought the proposition bit would have to be idea, but that doesn't seem to work for this clue. If you propose something you're in? (Not sure).

[Urwen]

NAMO Sob in confusion for him
INGOLD: Rare metal follows proposition for him
MRS. MAGGOT: Lady of the flies
ROSE COTTON: A bruise in confusion followed by a material for her
OROME: Ancient city preceded by a chemical element for him
DEAGOL: In confusion, Nordic poem loses a note followed by a reversed trunk for him
ELENWE: Female name is followed by a pronoun for her
LORGAN: Direction precedes confused flower for him

And you're up.

[Pervinca Took]

And so is the next password!

1. Forest lord meets a matriarch in a muddle!
2. Behold! A twelvemonth.
3. An obsessed philologist, when bothered, can be a bit of a monster!
4. He sounds like the knowledge of journals.
5. One frost maiden.
6. Censure without appliance. Wayward thing!
7. Mixed scoop for him?

[Galadriel55]

Heh, I like #3! Made me chuckle. :)

(still working on Mr. Philologist)

[Pervinca Took]

Just thought, Urwen ... was proposition a typo for preposition?

[Galadriel55]

Not sure of this one, but want to put it out - Neldoreth for #1?

[Galadriel55]

And 2. Loa?

7. Posco? (Not sure if this character exists, but sounds like a Hobbit)

[Urwen]

Just thought, Urwen ... was proposition a typo for preposition?

Yes.

[Pervinca Took]

LOA correct (elvish solar year) and POSCO correct (he's a Baggins). Well done! (And quite hobbitty to have scoops of things, I think ;)).

Neldoreth is not correct.

I'll put the names in later. (It's much harder to do this on a phone).

[Pervinca Took]

Well, seeing as we're on a new page:

1. Forest lord meets a matriarch in a muddle!
LOA: Behold! A twelvemonth.
3. An obsessed philologist, when bothered, can be a bit of a monster!
4. He sounds like the knowledge of journals.
5. One frost maiden.
6. Censure without appliance. Wayward thing!
POSCO: Mixed scoop for him?

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

1. Ambaróna
4. Maglor
It's a bit of a reach, but 3. Naugrim

I think the password might be Baggins, but again it's mostly a guess.

[Pervinca Took]

AMBARONA: Forest lord meets a matriarch in a muddle!
LOA: Behold! A twelvemonth.
--G........: An obsessed philologist, when bothered, can be a bit of a monster!
MAGLOR: He sounds like the knowledge of journals.
--I.........: One frost maiden.
--N.........: Censure without appliance. Wayward thing!
POSCO: Mixed scoop for him?

Three out of four. Well, to be precise, two-and-a-half out of four. ;)

MAGLOR is of course mag-lore - sounds like knowledge of mags/journals.

AMBARONA is BARON +A + MA, jumbled up.

Naugrim is incorrect, but look carefully and things may be easier now.

[Urwen]

5 should be Irime.

[Pervinca Took]

Yes. I plus rime (frost).

AMBARONA: Forest lord meets a matriarch in a muddle!
LOA: Behold! A twelvemonth.
__G..........: An obsessed philologist, when bothered, can be a bit of a monster!
MAGLOR: He sounds like the knowledge of journals.
IRIME: One frost maiden.
--N.........: Censure without appliance. Wayward thing!
POSCO: Mixed scoop for him?

[Galadriel55]

Bumping this thread. I would say something more productive, but I haven't had any lightbulbs about the last clues yet, and I feel a bit guilty about letting the thread sink into the depths of time again.

[Mithalwen]

I have been ill and I don't even recognize half the words already solved so have rather given up hope.:confused:

[Pervinca Took]

I'm sorry you haven't been well, Mith.

There is a first half to the password, in quite an obvious place, which would make the remaining clues much easier. Baggins is only half the password.

I think the remaining clues could then be guessed very easily by working backwards. They are difficult, but I felt that was offset by how much password there is and the fact that the password also gives you the initial of each clue.

By the way, 'Wayward thing' alone is enough to solve clue 6.

[Galadriel55]

Oh! Primula for the other password. And... Rana for wayward thing? Though I have no idea how to match that with the cryptic part.

[Galadriel55]

And I suppose Ungoliant for the monster... but again, still can't see where that came from.

[Pervinca Took]

All correct!

Ungoliant = A LINGO NUT (anagram).

Rana is referred to as 'the Wayward.' This is enough to get the clue. 'Censure without appliance' is admittedly obscure: it's 'arraign' minus 'rig.' But the clue is reachable from the password and 'wayward thing.'

PRIMULA BAGGINS is the whole password - so I guess the next person to go is you or Squatter.

[Pervinca Took]

AMBARONA: Forest lord meets a matriarch in a muddle!
LOA: Behold! A twelvemonth.
UNGOLIANT: An obsessed philologist, when bothered, can be a bit of a monster!
MAGLOR: He sounds like the knowledge of journals.
IRIME: One frost maiden.
RANA: Censure without appliance. Wayward thing!
POSCO: Mixed scoop for him?

[Galadriel55]

Ooooh! I would have never guessed A LINGO NUT. The clues were well done and funny, and I love the double password aspect of your passwords. I guess this one just coincided with RL interference coupled with a brain block or two, which is why it took so long to solve. In retrospect, I really shouldn't have begged for that many clues and maybe worked my brain a bit harder. ;)

Squatter, I think you should take this one, since you got the first and main part of the password.

[Pervinca Took]

Oh no, I believe in asking for clues! I never want things to be unsolvable. I guessed everyone was busy with RL and other threads, but anyone is welcome to ask for clues any time I post a password.

[Pervinca Took]

Squatter has asked if someone else would post the next password.

Galadriel, would you like to do it? You did guess the other half of the last password, plus several of the clues.

[Galadriel55]

Squatter has asked if someone else would post the next password.

Galadriel, would you like to do it? You did guess the other half of the last password, plus several of the clues.

I don't mind, but it might have to wait a couple days. Anyone is free to go ahead, though, if you have ideas.

[Ivriniel]

Just to re-subscribe and learn until I can enjoy doing one.

Hello Galadriel, Pitchwife and all :)

[Urwen]

I have one

1. Missing a note, upset globe searches for an exit in confusion, but finds an elven king.
2. Girl gains a note for a translated leaf
3. Moon howlers
4. Repetition changes note for a translated back