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[Pervinca Took]

S could be STING, who has apparently been performing since 1971 (yikes), and has the advantage of being a Tolkien word. I can't pin it to a poem/song though.

hS

That's because it's not the right answer. :D

Just google 70s male singers/groups. I think it was the name of his group as well.

Not Falas either.

Look at first lines of songs/poems. All well-known; no more Leonard Nimoy or early versions.

[Pervinca Took]

I kinda wanna say FALAS for the Christmassy one, because it's the season with a lot of Fa-la-las, but I don't think it's particularly dangerous, nor can I recall a First Line with it. :D

'Here' in that clue means 'in this instance/situation' rather than a place.

[Huinesoron]

Look at first lines of songs/poems. All well-known; no more Leonard Nimoy or early versions.

IN THE MIDDLE OF THE EARTH, IN THE LAND OF SHIRE--!

I didn't even register that. Good grief.


Just google 70s male singers/groups. I think it was the name of his group as well.


All this has done so far is prove that a) I know an alarming number of artists from a decade I never lived in and b) there were a lot of Steves, Stevies, and Stevens singing back then.

hS

[Urwen]

Fireworks are used during Christmas, and are dangerous to Hobbits in some circumstances, as proven by Merry and Pippin...

[Pervinca Took]

You're kind of close, in that fire is the correct kind of danger.

Fireworks also feature in another remaining clue.

[Pervinca Took]

IN THE MIDDLE OF THE EARTH, IN THE LAND OF SHIRE--!

I didn't even register that. Good grief.

hS

And:


RINGS: A drummer loses nothing, but hisses for them. ('The Lord of the Rings' / Is one of those things)

If you like it, you do.
If you don't, then you boo!

[Urwen]

You're kind of close, in that fire is the correct kind of danger.

Fireworks also feature in another remaining clue.


Fireplace?

[Pervinca Took]

Fireplace?

Can't think of a first line with fireplace in it. ;)

[Urwen]

Can't think of a first line with fireplace in it. ;)


'I sit by the fire and think'.

[Pervinca Took]

Too peaceful. I'm afraid arson and attemped murder are involved ....

Plus that song is one of the other answers. Each clue refers to a different song.

[Galadriel55]

Is N just NOT? Knot - K?

[Pervinca Took]

MIDDLE: Hey diddle diddle, this earth’s in the centre. (The Ballad of Bilbo Baggins)
OROFARNE: Sandwich a cookie unevenly around a nasally altered farm and see what springs up. (O Orofarne, Lassemista, Carnimirie!)
R They’ll soothe a sore throat, if the liquid is changed.
ERMABWED: After hesitation, the fairies’ midwife married him. (Light as Leaf on Lindentree)

F Christmassy, but dangerous here.
IN: What knights say, if you play the tape backwards. (In Dwimordene, in Lorien)
RINGS: A drummer loses nothing, but hisses for them. ('The Lord of the Rings' / Is one of those things)
S A singer from the Seventies – hoping to sound like this?
TROLL: He’s much nicer when he joins forces with a Moomin. (Troll sat alone on his seat of stone)

L Whether sweet or salt, it cools a hot mouth.
I: Simply the first person. (I sit beside the fire and think)
NOT: You tie one, K? (Take that away). (All that is gold does not glitter)
ELVEN-KINGS: Almost a dozen monarchs have lost their way. (Three Rings for the elven-kings under the sky)
SANG: Of French blood? (I sang of leaves, of leaves of gold, and leaves of gold there grew)

[Urwen]

Fear! Fire! Foes! Awake!

[Urwen]

Other than that, there is no words in first lines that are connected with arson...unless...wait! There is! *searches for full text of that one*

[Pervinca Took]

For the first R, the ONLY bit of the straight clue is They/They'll.

[Urwen]

For the first R, the ONLY bit of the straight clue is They/They'll.


I was talking about F.

[Huinesoron]

For the first R, the ONLY bit of the straight clue is They/They'll.

Rozenges. Sylup. Remon drops. Ice cleams. I can see how to do it, but I can't find a useful word to chance the liquid on. :-/

Riquids.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Rozenges. Sylup. Remon drops. Ice cleams. I can see how to do it, but I can't find a useful word to chance the liquid on. :-/

Riquids.

hS

It's a make of cough sweet you want.

[Pervinca Took]

I was talking about F.

I know.

[Huinesoron]

It's a make of cough sweet you want.

... it's not Sam's addendum to Frodo's song for Gandalf is it? "The finest lockets - um, ROCKETS ever seen"?

hS

[Pervinca Took]

MIDDLE: Hey diddle diddle, this earth’s in the centre. (The Ballad of Bilbo Baggins)
OROFARNE: Sandwich a cookie unevenly around a nasally altered farm and see what springs up. (O Orofarne, Lassemista, Carnimirie!)
ROCKETS: They’ll soothe a sore throat, if the liquid is changed. (The finest rockets ever seen)
ERMABWED: After hesitation, the fairies’ midwife married him. (Light as Leaf on Lindentree)

F Christmassy, but dangerous here.
IN: What knights say, if you play the tape backwards. (In Dwimordene, in Lorien)
RINGS: A drummer loses nothing, but hisses for them. ('The Lord of the Rings' / Is one of those things)
S A singer from the Seventies – hoping to sound like this?
TROLL: He’s much nicer when he joins forces with a Moomin. (Troll sat alone on his seat of stone)

L Whether sweet or salt, it cools a hot mouth.
I: Simply the first person. (I sit beside the fire and think)
NOT: You tie one, K? (Take that away). (All that is gold does not glitter)
ELVEN-KINGS: Almost a dozen monarchs have lost their way. (Three Rings for the elven-kings under the sky)
SANG: Of French blood? (I sang of leaves, of leaves of gold, and leaves of gold there grew)

Indeed.

You'll find the L one in a good Indian restaurant, if you ask for it.

[Urwen]

No hints for F one, then?

[Pervinca Took]

No hints for F one, then?

I thought you had it! You were just going to look up the song.

[Urwen]

I thought you had it! You were just going to look up the song.


Well, the one I thought it was doesn't have F in first line.

[Urwen]

LASSI for L?

A sip of cold milk or a spoon of yogurt will soothe your mouth and take away some of the burning sensation. Lassi = a yogurt-based drink that can be made either sweet or savory (eg mango lassi is very popular)

[Pervinca Took]

Well, the one I thought it was doesn't have F in first line.

It's in 'The Hobbit.'

LASSI is right.

[Urwen]

Is F one Far?

[Pervinca Took]

Is F one Far?

No.

Arson and attempted murder, remember.

[Urwen]

Firtrees (https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Fifteen_birds_in_five_fir_trees)?

[Pervinca Took]

MIDDLE: Hey diddle diddle, this earth’s in the centre. (The Ballad of Bilbo Baggins)
OROFARNE: Sandwich a cookie unevenly around a nasally altered farm and see what springs up. (O Orofarne, Lassemista, Carnimirie!)
ROCKETS: They’ll soothe a sore throat, if the liquid is changed. (The finest rockets ever seen)
ERMABWED: After hesitation, the fairies’ midwife married him. (Light as Leaf on Lindentree)

FIRTREES: Christmassy, but dangerous here. (Fifteen birds in five firtrees)
IN: What knights say, if you play the tape backwards. (In Dwimordene, in Lorien)
RINGS: A drummer loses nothing, but hisses for them. ('The Lord of the Rings' / Is one of those things)
S A singer from the Seventies – hoping to sound like this?
TROLL: He’s much nicer when he joins forces with a Moomin. (Troll sat alone on his seat of stone)

LASSI: Whether sweet or salt, it cools a hot mouth. (Ai laurie lantar lassi surinen)
I: Simply the first person. (I sit beside the fire and think)
NOT: You tie one, K? (Take that away). (All that is gold does not glitter)
ELVEN-KINGS: Almost a dozen monarchs have lost their way. (Three Rings for the elven-kings under the sky)
SANG: Of French blood? (I sang of leaves, of leaves of gold, and leaves of gold there grew)

One to go!

[Pervinca Took]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7lTwA5xMeTM

[Urwen]

Sweet?

[Pervinca Took]

MIDDLE: Hey diddle diddle, this earth’s in the centre. (The Ballad of Bilbo Baggins)
OROFARNE: Sandwich a cookie unevenly around a nasally altered farm and see what springs up. (O Orofarne, Lassemista, Carnimirie!)
ROCKETS: They’ll soothe a sore throat, if the liquid is changed. (The finest rockets ever seen)
ERMABWED: After hesitation, the fairies’ midwife married him. (Light as Leaf on Lindentree)

FIRTREES: Christmassy, but dangerous here. (Fifteen birds in five firtrees)
IN: What knights say, if you play the tape backwards. (In Dwimordene, in Lorien)
RINGS: A drummer loses nothing, but hisses for them. ('The Lord of the Rings' / Is one of those things)
SWEET: A singer from the Seventies – hoping to sound like this? this? (Farewell sweet earth and northern sky)
TROLL: He’s much nicer when he joins forces with a Moomin. (Troll sat alone on his seat of stone)

LASSI: Whether sweet or salt, it cools a hot mouth. (Ai laurie lantar lassi surinen)
I: Simply the first person. (I sit beside the fire and think)
NOT: You tie one, K? (Take that away). (All that is gold does not glitter)
ELVEN-KINGS: Almost a dozen monarchs have lost their way. (Three Rings for the elven-kings under the sky)
SANG: Of French blood? (I sang of leaves, of leaves of gold, and leaves of gold there grew)

And over to you!

[Urwen]

One more for you.

1. Give them this.
2. He doesn't fib.
3. He is above the world, literally.
4. An unmarried woman, she.
5. Much to Robb's chagrin, he could be called 'King in the North' too.
6. Just a preposition.
7. Young boys, they.
8. Wife of the God King.
9. A place of peace and joy.

[Galadriel55]

2. Oliphaunt?

[Urwen]

1. Give them this.
OLIPHAUNT: He doesn't fib.
3. He is above the world, literally.
4. An unmarried woman, she.
5. Much to Robb's chagrin, he could be called 'King in the North' too.
6. Just a preposition.
7. Young boys, they.
8. Wife of the God King.
9. A place of peace and joy.

[Pervinca Took]

1. Miruvor?

8. Varda, spouse of Manwë? Or maybe GILTHONIEL?

Password - MORE SONGS?

9. SHIRE?

6. OVER?

Or MORE LINES, with IN for 6 and ELBERETH for 8?

[Urwen]

1. Give them this.
OLIPHAUNT: He doesn't fib.
3. He is above the world, literally.
4. An unmarried woman, she.
5. Much to Robb's chagrin, he could be called 'King in the North' too.
IN: Just a preposition.
7. Young boys, they.
ELBERETH: Wife of the God King.
SHIRE: A place of peace and joy.

Your password guesses are both wrong.

[Urwen]

It looks like I made a mistake in the password.

[Urwen]

1. Give them this.
OLIPHAUNT: He doesn't fib.
3. He is above the world, literally.
4. An unmarried woman, she.
5. Much to Robb's chagrin, he could be called 'King in the North' too.
IN: Just a preposition.
7. A building that is also a boat.
8. Young boys, they.
ELBERETH: Wife of the God King.
SHIRE: A place of peace and joy.

I've fixed this now.

[Galadriel55]

3. Tilion?

7. Eambar?

[Urwen]

3. Tilion?

7. Eambar?


Nope.

[Pervinca Took]

4. Andreth?

Password: SONG TITLES?

[Urwen]

4. Andreth?

Password: SONG TITLES?


Nope, but close.

[Pervinca Took]

Which was close - Andreth or the Password guess?

[Pervinca Took]

Poem titles?

[Pervinca Took]

3. Earendil.

8 must be lads, but I can't think of a poem title it's in.

7. Tol Eressea?

[Urwen]

P: Give them this.
OLIPHAUNT: He doesn't fib.
EARENDIL: He is above the world, literally.
M: An unmarried woman, she.

T: Much to Robb's chagrin, he could be called 'King in the North' too.
IN: Just a preposition.
T: A building that is also a boat.
LADS: Young boys, they.
ELBERETH: Wife of the God King.
SHIRE: A place of peace and joy.

[Urwen]

8 must be lads, but I can't think of a poem title it's in.



Oh, really? (https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Wake_Now_My_Merry_Lads!_Wake_and_Hear_Me_Calling!)

[Pervinca Took]

MAID for M? 'An elven-maid there was of old.'

Is the Robb one TURIN?

Is the building TOWER, because a boat can tow something and so be a tower?

[Urwen]

P: Give them this.
OLIPHAUNT: He doesn't fib.
EARENDIL: He is above the world, literally.
MAID: An unmarried woman, she.

T: Much to Robb's chagrin, he could be called 'King in the North' too.
IN: Just a preposition.
TOWER: A building that is also a boat.
LADS: Young boys, they.
ELBERETH: Wife of the God King.
SHIRE: A place of peace and joy.


No to Turin. He doesn't feature in a poem title, as far as I know.

[Pervinca Took]

I wondered if there was one in the Lays of Beleriand.

Where does Tower appear?

[Urwen]

I wondered if there was one in the Lays of Beleriand.

Where does Tower appear?


https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Sing_now,_ye_people_of_the_Tower_of_Anor

[Galadriel55]

#1 would be really cool if it was just PRESENT. But I can't think of a poem.

[Pervinca Took]

https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Sing_now,_ye_people_of_the_Tower_of_Anor

Of course! How did I forget the BBC's castrato eagle? ;)

[Pervinca Took]

Only P word I can find is PLATES!

[Urwen]

Only P word I can find is PLATES!


Nope. Look again.

[Pervinca Took]

Praise!

And is T Tom Bombadil?

[Urwen]

Not Tom. Think of the NORTHMEN.

PRAISE: Give them this.
OLIPHAUNT: He doesn't fib.
EARENDIL: He is above the world, literally.
MAID: An unmarried woman, she.

T: Much to Robb's chagrin, he could be called 'King in the North' too.
IN: Just a preposition.
TOWER: A building that is also a boat.
LADS: Young boys, they.
ELBERETH: Wife of the God King.
SHIRE: A place of peace and joy.

[Pervinca Took]

Theoden?

[Urwen]

PRAISE: Give them this.
OLIPHAUNT: He doesn't fib.
EARENDIL: He is above the world, literally.
MAID: An unmarried woman, she.

THEODEN: Much to Robb's chagrin, he could be called 'King in the North' too.
IN: Just a preposition.
TOWER: A building that is also a boat.
LADS: Young boys, they.
ELBERETH: Wife of the God King.
SHIRE: A place of peace and joy.

Over to you.

[Pervinca Took]

1. Sometimes he's even called this. What larks!
2. She's a gift. Truly, she is!
3. Wax or oil changes at the end into a little glass.
4. Sounds like coffee, all in Quenya!
5. Ring ya lost? Where? The river?
6. Once camera specialists, they tried making printers. Disemvowelled, you heard, twice. Answer one is one, and so is eight! But take the third.
7. Mount this elvish element, and take the second.
8. Has hubris in one of his extremities?
9. He's a mime artist who's lost both his direction and his painter.
10. Name this county that Christ has deserted!
11. Heavenly pathway atop Mount Pelion. But initially compromised, it now gapes. Take the second.

What was the 'Robb' bit about, Urwen?

[Urwen]

What was the 'Robb' bit about, Urwen?


A reference to another book.

[Urwen]

5. Ringlo?

[Urwen]

2. Belladonna, if we go with german definition of 'gift'.

[Pervinca Took]

A reference to another book.

Which book? I did try google, but no luck.

No to both your guesses.

[Urwen]

Which book? I did try google, but no luck.

No to both your guesses.


That one.
(https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Robb_Stark)

[Huinesoron]

#8: Does he have a proud foot? :O (Presumably ODO PROUDFOOT, if yes.)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. Sometimes he's even called this. What larks!
2. She's a gift. Truly, she is!
3. Wax or oil changes at the end into a little glass.
4. Sounds like coffee, all in Quenya!
5. Ring ya lost? Where? The river?
6. Once camera specialists, they tried making printers. Disemvowelled, you heard, twice. Answer one is one, and so is eight! But take the third.
7. Mount this elvish element, and take the second.
ODO: Has hubris in one of his extremities?
9. He's a mime artist who's lost both his direction and his painter.
10. Name this county that Christ has deserted!
11. Heavenly pathway atop Mount Pelion. But initially compromised, it now gapes. Take the second.

[Urwen]

I don't get most of these...

[Urwen]

Except 10, which is Shire.

[Pervinca Took]

Except 10, which is Shire.

It isn't, I'm afraid.

A lot of the answers are just Elvish words. That should make it easier.

[Urwen]

2. Anna (elvish for gift)

[Urwen]

Which would make the password PALINDROMES

[Urwen]

5 is Nen, elvish for river (Nenya - ya)

[Huinesoron]

#7: "mount, this" -- ie, ORO, a Quenya word for a mountain or hill. Using the R in the password.

#9: if he's lost a painter, he's just a mime. If he's lost a direction too, he becomes MIM.

Have looked at Mount Pelion but even Shakespeare is not helping me this time.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

P Sometimes he's even called this. What larks!
ANNA: She's a gift. Truly, she is!
LIPIL: Wax or oil changes at the end into a little glass.
I Sounds like coffee, all in Quenya!
NEN: Ring ya lost? Where? The river?
??D Once camera specialists, they tried making printers. Disemvowelled, you heard, twice. Answer one is one, and so is eight! But take the third.
ORO: Mount this elvish element, and take the second.
ODO: Has hubris in one of his extremities?
MIM: He's a mime artist who's lost both his direction and his painter.
E Name this county that Christ has deserted!
ASSA: Heavenly pathway atop Mount Pelion. But initially compromised, it now gapes. Take the second.

ASSA is hole. Hence 'gapes.'

Lipil from 'lipid.'

[Urwen]

Osso?

[Pervinca Took]

Osso?

You've compromised the wrong letter.

[Urwen]

Or ASSA, from OSSA?

[Urwen]

And the 'little glass' one is well, little glass, or LIPIL.

[Pervinca Took]

P Sometimes he's even called this. What larks!
ANNA: She's a gift. Truly, she is!
LIPIL: Wax or oil changes at the end into a little glass.
I Sounds like coffee, all in Quenya!
NEN: Ring ya lost? Where? The river?
??D Once camera specialists, they tried making printers. Disemvowelled, you heard, twice. Answer one is one, and so is eight! But take the third.
ORO: Mount this elvish element, and take the second.
ODO: Has hubris in one of his extremities?
MIM: He's a mime artist who's lost both his direction and his painter.
E Name this county that Christ has deserted!
ASSA: Heavenly pathway atop Mount Pelion. But initially compromised, it now gapes. Take the second.

ASSA is hole. Hence 'gapes.'

Lipil from 'lipid.'

[Urwen]

I have to wonder why are you explaining to us something we already know? I mean, if we give those answers, it's clear we figured out the cryptic element. We're not stupid, so please stop doing it every time... :rolleyes:

[Urwen]

Anyway, the D one is KUDUK, from KODAK, so there is no need for you to explain the obvious again.

[Pervinca Took]

I have to wonder why are you explaining to us something we already know? I mean, if we give those answers, it's clear we figured out the cryptic element. We're not stupid, so please stop doing it every time... :rolleyes:

No, actually, it isn't always. It's courtesy to just give a brief mention of how you worked out the answer. I usually do. And to realise that explanations are for the benefit of everyone, not just the person who guessed the answer.

[Pervinca Took]

P Sometimes he's even called this. What larks!
ANNA: She's a gift. Truly, she is!
LIPIL: Wax or oil changes at the end into a little glass.
I Sounds like coffee, all in Quenya!
NEN: Ring ya lost? Where? The river?
KUDUK: Once camera specialists, they tried making printers. Disemvowelled, you heard, twice. Answer one is one, and so is eight! But take the third.
ORO: Mount this elvish element, and take the second.
ODO: Has hubris in one of his extremities?
MIM: He's a mime artist who's lost both his direction and his painter.
E Name this county that Christ has deserted!
ASSA: Heavenly pathway atop Mount Pelion. But initially compromised, it now gapes. Take the second.

[Urwen]

Well, there is a county in the Netherlands named EPE. (And yes, I reverse googled)

[Urwen]

Or maybe ESSE, if you interpret 'Christ had deserted' as simply removing the cross, or X, from the county of ESSEX.

[Pervinca Took]

P Sometimes he's even called this. What larks!
ANNA: She's a gift. Truly, she is!
LIPIL: Wax or oil changes at the end into a little glass.
I Sounds like coffee, all in Quenya!
NEN: Ring ya lost? Where? The river?
KUDUK: Once camera specialists, they tried making printers. Disemvowelled, you heard, twice. Answer one is one, and so is eight! But take the third.
ORO: Mount this elvish element, and take the second.
ODO: Has hubris in one of his extremities?
MIM: He's a mime artist who's lost both his direction and his painter.
ESSE: Name this county that Christ has deserted!
ASSA: Heavenly pathway atop Mount Pelion. But initially compromised, it now gapes. Take the second.

[Huinesoron]

#1 could be PIP(pin); I guess he engages in larks (or maybe lark = bird = peregrine). Then the I, I think "all in Quenya" is the straightest of straight clue and the answer is just ILLI (similar to Ilu- in Iluvatar). I'm not sure where the coffee comes in though.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

PIP: Sometimes he's even called this. What larks!
ANNA: She's a gift. Truly, she is!
LIPIL: Wax or oil changes at the end into a little glass.
ILLI: Sounds like coffee, all in Quenya!
NEN: Ring ya lost? Where? The river?
KUDUK: Once camera specialists, they tried making printers. Disemvowelled, you heard, twice. Answer one is one, and so is eight! But take the third.
ORO: Mount this elvish element, and take the second.
ODO: Has hubris in one of his extremities?
MIM: He's a mime artist who's lost both his direction and his painter.
ESSE: Name this county that Christ has deserted!
ASSA: Heavenly pathway atop Mount Pelion. But initially compromised, it now gapes. Take the second.

'I'm generally just called Pippin, or even Pip.' - LOTR.
'What larks, Pip!' - Joe Gargery to Pip, the hero of 'Great Expectations.'

ILLY is a make of coffee - in the 'made and served in a café' sense, I think. I've seen adverts for it.

And over to Urwen.

[Urwen]

1. Usually the omens of death, but also helpful.
2. Article precedes twisted destruction. There they are.
3. Two different kinds, known by this single name.
4. Dwellings made of cloth are missing a head, for them.
5. Whether six legged or eight legged, they will eat you.

[Huinesoron]

#4: Tents - T = ENTS?

#1: Could this be RAVENS? They are ominous, but Roäc son of Carc was a handy translator on the slopes of the Lonely Mountain.

hS

[Urwen]

RAVENS: Usually the omens of death, but also helpful.
2. Article precedes twisted destruction. There they are.
3. Two different kinds, known by this single name.
ENTS: Dwellings made of cloth are missing a head, for them.
5. Whether six legged or eight legged, they will eat you.[/QUOTE]

[Pervinca Took]

2. Ainur (a + ruin).

5. Spiders?

Password: RACES?

3. I'd say CALAQUENDI, but they are from 3 divisions of elves. Plus Thingol, I think.

[Huinesoron]

If #3 is a C, then it could be CHILDREN OF ILUVATAR, for both Elves and Men. (Elves being just as racist as Gondorians, the dwarves don't get that title despite their adoption by the One.)

I remember Tolkien messed up Shelob's anatomy somehow, but when did he give them six legs? :eek:

hS

[Urwen]

RAVENS: Usually the omens of death, but also helpful.
AINUR: Article precedes twisted destruction. There they are.
CHILDREN OF ILUVATAR: Two different kinds, known by this single name.
ENTS: Dwellings made of cloth are missing a head, for them.
SPIDERS: Whether six legged or eight legged, they will eat you.

And Pervinca takes the round, as usual. :)

[Pervinca Took]

I especially liked the RAVENS clue, Urwen.

Here's one I made a while ago:

1. Poet hailed Queen Victoria in confusion?
2. Steamy and hot! Stir it well for her, and extract nothing.
3. Shift around raven country to arrive here?
4. Roast rat!? In consternation, find him!
5. Why, we ask, does she disturb the famous water?
6. Are they rhymefully quarrelin' under its branches?
7. Mud spelled backwards, according to the Harvard Lampoon.

[Urwen]

6. Laurelin?
7. Doom?

[Pervinca Took]

1. Poet hailed Queen Victoria in confusion?
2. Steamy and hot! Stir it well for her, and extract nothing.
3. Shift around raven country to arrive here?
4. Roast rat!? In consternation, find him!
5. Why, we ask, does she disturb the famous water?
LAURELIN: Are they rhymefully quarrelin' under its branches?
7. Mud spelled backwards, according to the Harvard Lampoon.

No to 'doom.' It refers to a chapter of something written by the Harvard Lampoon.

[Urwen]

Serutan?

[Urwen]

and as for 1, it's BARD+QV/ER/VR.


Oh, I know, it's Darber, the less known relative of Beren. He didn't just have one elven wife. He had two! You see, Nimloth and Finduilas never died. He took them with him.

[Pervinca Took]

1. Poet hailed Queen Victoria in confusion?
2. Steamy and hot! Stir it well for her, and extract nothing.
3. Shift around raven country to arrive here?
4. Roast rat!? In consternation, find him!
5. Why, we ask, does she disturb the famous water?
LAURELIN: Are they rhymefully quarrelin' under its branches?
SERUTAN: Mud spelled backwards, according to the Harvard Lampoon.

Sorry, 1 is a bard, but 'bard' is not an element. VR is, though.

[Urwen]

Is it a Tolkien bard? Or a specific bard? Cause the only bards I know of are Daeron and Maglor, neither of which has both V and R in their name.

[Pervinca Took]

It's a poet. A Tolkien poet.

He only wrote one poem before he was killed, but I think it was a pretty significant one.

Also, 'hailed' is one of the elements.

[Urwen]

And that one poem interests me a lot. He is Dirhavel (HAILED+VR)

[Urwen]

And 3 must be VERNA (from RAVEN)

[Urwen]

Now I wonder, does CALION mean 'roast' somehow?

[Pervinca Took]

DIRHAVEL: Poet hailed Queen Victoria in confusion?
2. Steamy and hot! Stir it well for her, and extract nothing.
3. Shift around raven country to arrive here?
4. Roast rat!? In consternation, find him!
5. Why, we ask, does she disturb the famous water?
LAURELIN: Are they rhymefully quarrelin' under its branches?
SERUTAN: Mud spelled backwards, according to the Harvard Lampoon.

Not Calion. That clue is much easier than you are making it.

No to Verna. For raven, choose a specific raven.

[Urwen]

About 3, is the raven Roac/Carc?

[Urwen]

And for 4, is it just ROAST RAT rearranged?

[Pervinca Took]

Yes to both.

[Urwen]

Cardolan (ROAC LAND)

[Urwen]

And 4 is Tarostar.

[Pervinca Took]

DIRHAVEL: Poet hailed Queen Victoria in confusion?
A Steamy and hot! Stir it well for her, and extract nothing.
CARDOLAN: Shift around raven country to arrive here?
TAROSTAR: Roast rat!? In consternation, find him!
YAVIEN: Why, we ask, does she disturb the famous water?
LAURELIN: Are they rhymefully quarrelin' under its branches?
SERUTAN: Mud spelled backwards, according to the Harvard Lampoon.

Excellent work! :)

(Y + EVIAN)

P.S. I am assuming the stress falls on the first syllable of Dirhavel. I get tired of reusing answers I've used before and trying to write different clues for them.

[Urwen]

The password is DACTYLS, perhaps. In which case, Y must be Yavien.

[Pervinca Took]

The password is DACTYLS, perhaps. In which case, Y must be Yavien.

See above.

One to go!

[Urwen]

I cannot find an anagram for steamy and hot, sorry.

[Pervinca Took]

Maybe you forgot to extract nothing? ;)

[Urwen]

Even then, I get STEAMY HT, and that doesn't lead anywhere either. Of course, there is MAY, but the rest of the letters are STEHT, which doesn't translate to a hobbit surname.

[Pervinca Took]

It's not a *surname* you want.

All you need is STEAMY HT.

[Urwen]

There are no names that contain those letters, are there? Unless it's an alternate name.

[Pervinca Took]

It's an obscure hobbit first name, but I have used her before. When I needed a colour in one of the 'different shades' passwords that Huey gave me ideas for with his original 'rainbow' one.

Think 'semi-precious stone.'

[Urwen]

Amethyst?

[Pervinca Took]

DIRHAVEL: Poet hailed Queen Victoria in confusion?
AMETHYST: Steamy and hot! Stir it well for her, and extract nothing.
CARDOLAN: Shift around raven country to arrive here?
TAROSTAR: Roast rat!? In consternation, find him!
YAVIEN: Why, we ask, does she disturb the famous water?
LAURELIN: Are they rhymefully quarrelin' under its branches?
SERUTAN: Mud spelled backwards, according to the Harvard Lampoon.

Well done. And over to you!

[Urwen]

1. You and a bird go in a circle, for her.
2. A Japanese warrior goes backwards. A note is within. She appears.
3. The color of death, according to Poe. Surround it with endless hell and an article to find her.
4. German one, a type of dwelling and a Roman numeral, all tangled up, reveal her.
5. Me is a type of bread. Or is it him?
6. An actor drops a note to reveal him.
7. Raw metal exchanges one direction for another. Twist it to find someone who worked on it.
8. Torn and dirty clothes meet the noise. All is twisted for him.

[Galadriel55]

7. Raw metal is probably Ore, giving ORE - R + L = EOL, who worked the ore.

[Urwen]

1. You and a bird go in a circle, for her.
2. A Japanese warrior goes backwards. A note is within. She appears.
3. The color of death, according to Poe. Surround it with endless hell and an article to find her.
4. German one, a type of dwelling and a Roman numeral, all tangled up, reveal her.
5. Me is a type of bread. Or is it him?
6. An actor drops a note to reveal him.
EOL: Raw metal exchanges one direction for another. Twist it to find someone who worked on it.
8. Torn and dirty clothes meet the noise. All is twisted for him.

[Pervinca Took]

3. A-red-hel

4. Luthien? (ein + hut + l)

1. Me-lian, since I believe a 'luan' is a mythological bird, and the circle might be her Girdle?

8. Dagnir, from 'rag' and 'din?'

[Urwen]

URWEN: You and a bird go in a circle, for her.
2. A Japanese warrior goes backwards. A note is within. She appears.
AREDHEL: The color of death, according to Poe. Surround it with endless hell and an article to find her.
LUTHIEN: German one, a type of dwelling and a Roman numeral, all tangled up, reveal her.
5. Me is a type of bread. Or is it him?
6. An actor drops a note to reveal him.
EOL: Raw metal exchanges one direction for another. Twist it to find someone who worked on it.
DAGNIR: Torn and dirty clothes meet the noise. All is twisted for him.

[Pervinca Took]

1. URWEN! (U plus WREN)

Circle had me thinking of girdles rather than anagrams!

A guess at UNALLIED for the password.

[Urwen]

That's not the password.

[Huinesoron]

#5: I'M LACH? There are several languages which use leach as part of bread names. Son of Marach apparently.

I really want #2 to be based on samurai > iarumas, but I got nothing

6 I have even less, because "an actor" is so broad. Is it an LotR actor, at least?

Theme... Well the confirmed ones all have notable deaths, and they're all First Age. Possibly UNALIVED for the password?

hS

Edit: 2 is Ronin > NIENOR and I am thick as a plank.

[Urwen]

URWEN: You and a bird go in a circle, for her.
NIENOR: A Japanese warrior goes backwards. A note is within. She appears.
AREDHEL: The color of death, according to Poe. Surround it with endless hell and an article to find her.
LUTHIEN: German one, a type of dwelling and a Roman numeral, all tangled up, reveal her.
I: Me is a type of bread. Or is it him?
V: An actor drops a note to reveal him.
EOL: Raw metal exchanges one direction for another. Twist it to find someone who worked on it.
DAGNIR: Torn and dirty clothes meet the noise. All is twisted for him.

[Huinesoron]

Can we get some hints for the last two? I feel like I should be an IM- name, but I can't see one. And I can't see anything useful starting with V.

I can't even work from the rest of the set: you've got the three Turin siblings, and the Gondolin couple. I can't make anything associated with either Maeglin or Hurin fit, and both are male so Morwen is out too.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Could I be Isembard?

ME IS (scrambled) plus most of BREAD?

[Urwen]

Can we get some hints for the last two? I feel like I should be an IM- name, but I can't see one. And I can't see anything useful starting with V.

I can't even work from the rest of the set: you've got the three Turin siblings, and the Gondolin couple. I can't make anything associated with either Maeglin or Hurin fit, and both are male so Morwen is out too.

hS


For I one, think about Turin's life after Doriath. This character would be found there, and he was (y)arrowed. For V, the actor is one of LOTR actors. And the V character is the odd one out in this bunch, having died from natural causes.

[Huinesoron]

IBUN! Very good.

V suggests Viggo, and VIGO BOFFIN is apparently dead. :)

hS

[Urwen]

URWEN: You and a bird go in a circle, for her.
NIENOR: A Japanese warrior goes backwards. A note is within. She appears.
AREDHEL: The color of death, according to Poe. Surround it with endless hell and an article to find her.
LUTHIEN: German one, a type of dwelling and a Roman numeral, all tangled up, reveal her.
IBUN: Me is a type of bread. Or is it him?
VIGO BOFFIN: An actor drops a note to reveal him.
EOL: Raw metal exchanges one direction for another. Twist it to find someone who worked on it.
DAGNIR: Torn and dirty clothes meet the noise. All is twisted for him.


Over to Hui.

[Huinesoron]

Over to Hui.

Yay!

Oh heck, that means I need to come up with a puzzle. :D

Okay, the clues here are a bit looser than normal, but I hope it works:

1. The cold-sounding ones to whom letters are sent
2. Estel's name translated that after 'old' went
3. A Sindarin season or village in Wales
4. Where I am a boy starting down in the dales
5. A letter to rent in a fair land of yore
6. And after the day comes the sea on the shore
7. The heart of the cold is the name of the day
8. The Undying Lands are unnoted (but hey)
9. The first of the seven in Hobbitish forms
Together all call for a feast at Beorn's!

hS

[Galadriel55]

Fresh clues to solve! *rubs hands*

2. Probably HOPE, in reference to Andreth's Old Hope and, of course, Estel.

8. Could it be just MAN?

[Huinesoron]

Fresh clues to solve! *rubs hands*

2. Probably HOPE, in reference to Andreth's Old Hope and, of course, Estel.

8. Could it be just MAN?

HOPE is correct. MAN is not, but you're using one of the correct elements.

1. The cold-sounding ones to whom letters are sent
HOPE - Estel's name translated that after 'old' went
3. A Sindarin season or village in Wales
4. Where I am a boy starting down in the dales
5. A letter to rent in a fair land of yore
6. And after the day comes the sea on the shore
7. The heart of the cold is the name of the day
8. The Undying Lands are unnoted (but hey)
9. The first of the seven in Hobbitish forms
Together all call for a feast at Beorn's!

hS

[Pervinca Took]

5. (S)hire?

2. Rhiw.

[Huinesoron]

5. (S)hire?

3. Rhiw.

Both correct!

1. The cold-sounding ones to whom letters are sent
HOPE - Estel's name translated that after 'old' went
RHIW - A Sindarin season or village in Wales
4. Where I am a boy starting down in the dales
SHIRE - A letter to rent in a fair land of yore
6. And after the day comes the sea on the shore
7. The heart of the cold is the name of the day
8. The Undying Lands are unnoted (but hey)
9. The first of the seven in Hobbitish forms
Together all call for a feast at Beorn's!

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Password: Christmas?

9. Sterday.

[Huinesoron]

Password: Christmas?

9. Sterday.

Spot on, and a merry one to you. :)

(One of the Yule-days is always a Sterday, for anyone confused by that one.)

1. C - The cold-sounding ones to whom letters are sent
HOPE - Estel's name translated that after 'old' went
RHIW - A Sindarin season or village in Wales
4. I - Where I am a boy starting down in the dales
SHIRE - A letter to rent in a fair land of yore
6. T - And after the day comes the sea on the shore
7. M - The heart of the cold is the name of the day
8. A - The Undying Lands are unnoted (but hey)
STERDAY - The first of the seven in Hobbitish forms
Together all call for a feast at Beorn's!

hS

[Galadriel55]

6. (yule)TIDE?

[Huinesoron]

6. (yule)TIDE?

Ayup.

1. C - The cold-sounding ones to whom letters are sent
HOPE - Estel's name translated that after 'old' went
RHIW - A Sindarin season or village in Wales
4. I - Where I am a boy starting down in the dales
SHIRE - A letter to rent in a fair land of yore
TIDE - And after the day comes the sea on the shore
7. M - The heart of the cold is the name of the day
8. A - The Undying Lands are unnoted (but hey)
STERDAY - The first of the seven in Hobbitish forms
Together all call for a feast at Beorn's!

And I think that pulls us past the halfway mark!

"But hey" is not part of the clue, it's just for the rhyme. 1, 4, and 7 all have both cryptic and straight components; unfortunately 8 is just cryptic.

hS

[Urwen]

1 is Calaquendi and 4 is Imlad.

[Huinesoron]

1 is Calaquendi and 4 is Imlad.

1: no, and I don't know how you got there.

4: close, but add a bit (hence "starting").

hS

[Pervinca Took]

4. Imladris?

The Fellowship set out from there on Christmas Day.

[Huinesoron]

4. Imladris?

The Fellowship set out from there on Christmas Day.

So they did. Off you go, lads; take a left at Caradhras and it'll lead you straight to it.

1. C - The cold-sounding ones to whom letters are sent
HOPE - Estel's name translated that after 'old' went
RHIW - A Sindarin season or village in Wales
IMLADRIS - Where I am a boy starting down in the dales
SHIRE - A letter to rent in a fair land of yore
TIDE - And after the day comes the sea on the shore
7. M - The heart of the cold is the name of the day
8. A - The Undying Lands are unnoted (but hey)
STERDAY - The first of the seven in Hobbitish forms
Together all call for a feast at Beorn's!

hS

[Urwen]

1: no, and I don't know how you got there.

hS


On Christmas, he letters are usually sent to Santas, who don't exist in this setting, and elves. And Calaquendi are the only elves who begin with C.

[Galadriel55]

On Christmas, he letters are usually sent to Santas, who don't exist in this setting, and elves. And Calaquendi are the only elves who begin with C.

This put me on a thought. Tolkien wrote Father Christmas Letters for his children. Chilly-dren? Just CHILDREN?

[Huinesoron]

On Christmas, he letters are usually sent to Santas, who don't exist in this setting, and elves. And Calaquendi are the only elves who begin with C.

That's a very nice chain of logic, but I'm afraid:

This put me on a thought. Tolkien wrote Father Christmas Letters for his children. Chilly-dren? Just CHILDREN?

The answer was just a cold pun. :D

CHILDREN - The cold-sounding ones to whom letters are sent
HOPE - Estel's name translated that after 'old' went
RHIW - A Sindarin season or village in Wales
IMLADRIS - Where I am a boy starting down in the dales
SHIRE - A letter to rent in a fair land of yore
TIDE - And after the day comes the sea on the shore
7. M - The heart of the cold is the name of the day
8. A - The Undying Lands are unnoted (but hey)
STERDAY - The first of the seven in Hobbitish forms
Together all call for a feast at Beorn's!

Two left! 8 is a Quenya word, and "the Undying Lands are unnoted" is a fairly straightforward cryptic clue. 7... I actually thought was one of the easiest in the puzzle. :D

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Avallon(e) ?

[Urwen]

The only M term I could come up with is Mersday.

[Huinesoron]

Avallon(e) ?

Nope. The clue is in two parts: "the Undying Lands | are unnoted".

The only M term I could come up with is Mersday.

Nope. Again, the clue is in two parts: "the heart of the cold = the name of the day".

hS

[Galadriel55]

No idea what the heart of the cold is, but as a somewhat silly answer... is it MONDAY? Because Christmas Day falls on Monday this year? :D

[Huinesoron]

No idea what the heart of the cold is, but as a somewhat silly answer... is it MONDAY? Because Christmas Day falls on Monday this year? :D

You're assuming a lot about my ability to keep track of the day. :D No.

What day is Yule? What *makes* it Yule, and is a synonym for "Heart -- Cold"?

hS

[Pervinca Took]

8. Amanar

Aman ar(e) - e 'unnoted.'

'Yule' in Quenya.

[Urwen]

Ah, so M is Midwinter.

[Huinesoron]

8. Amanar

Aman ar(e) - e 'unnoted.'

'Yule' in Quenya.

Ah, so M is Midwinter.

Correct and correct!

CHILDREN - The cold-sounding ones to whom letters are sent
HOPE - Estel's name translated that after 'old' went
RHIW - A Sindarin season or village in Wales
IMLADRIS - Where I am a boy starting down in the dales
SHIRE - A letter to rent in a fair land of yore
TIDE - And after the day comes the sea on the shore
MIDWINTER - The heart of the cold is the name of the day
AMANAR - The Undying Lands are unnoted (but hey)
STERDAY - The first of the seven in Hobbitish forms
Together all call for a feast at Beorn's!

And a happy new year, nearly! Password goes to Pervinca I believe.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Sorry, been very busy with Dad being unwell. I will give thought to the password. I think I had one or two ready, but it was ages ago and I need a little time to find them.

Hope all who celebrate Christmas are having a good festive break.

[Pervinca Took]

Here you go:

1. Christopher’s college logic dawns at the end of an age, and differs from the Shire's.
2. Festive flora still fruitful now, and here?
3. Cold and dirty! It’s coming, but not for quite a while, and not in Gondor.
4. It gives rise, though the middle pops out and vaults, to scripture study on this day.
5. Like 4, but neater? No, untidy!
6. ‘You go first,’ we hear, with liquid addition, for a period of time.
7. It will be magic again, when it comes. (Or so Kate Bush would probably say).

[Urwen]

The password sounds like another holiday-themed one and has seven letters. Is the password New Year?

[Pervinca Took]

N: Christopher’s college logic dawns at the end of an age, and differs from the Shire's.
E: Festive flora still fruitful now, and here?
W: Cold and dirty! It’s coming, but not for quite a while, and not in Gondor.

Y: It gives rise, though the middle pops out and vaults, to scripture study on this day.
E: Like 4, but neater? No, untidy!
A: ‘You go first,’ we hear, with liquid addition, for a period of time.
R: It will be magic again, when it comes. (Or so Kate Bush would probably say).

[Urwen]

Winter for W one.

"Winter is coming."

[Pervinca Took]

Winter for W one.

"Winter is coming."

Close, but no cigar. It's longer than that.

[Huinesoron]

2 could be EREGION - the Land of Holly.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

N: Christopher’s college logic dawns at the end of an age, and differs from the Shire's.
EREGION: Festive flora still fruitful now, and here?
W: Cold and dirty! It’s coming, but not for quite a while, and not in Gondor.

Y: It gives rise, though the middle pops out and vaults, to scripture study on this day.
E: Like 4, but neater? No, untidy!
A: ‘You go first,’ we hear, with liquid addition, for a period of time.
R: It will be magic again, when it comes. (Or so Kate Bush would probably say).

[Huinesoron]

Some answers, and many thoughts:

1/ Christopher Tolkien studied at Trinity College.

3/ I reckon this is "Winter's [Something]", probably a quote from LotR, possibly similar to "Winter's End".

4/ "Yeast", with the middle (a?) removed, and something added... YESTARE? (Why scripture study, though?)

5/ I want this to be the Sindarin for Yestare, but... there isn't one? Could be ENTARE, an earlier version of the same word. Based purely on the letter and theme, ERUKYERME was the Numenorean new year.

6/ Not a clue.

7/ Kate Bush has a song about December being magic again... :D RINGARE is the last month of the Gondorian calendar (until Aragorn mucked about with it).

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Some answers, and many thoughts:

1/ Christopher Tolkien studied at Trinity College.

But he was also connected with another.

/ I reckon this is "Winter's [Something]", probably a quote from LotR, possibly similar to "Winter's End".

No apostrophe. There is a word in the clue that you haven't taken into account.

4/ "Yeast", with the middle (a?) removed, and something added... YESTARE? (Why scripture study, though?)

The A pops up AND VAULTS OVER to the end, then you add R(eligious) E(ducation).

[Pervinca Took]

N: Christopher’s college logic dawns at the end of an age, and differs from the Shire's.
EREGION: Festive flora still fruitful now, and here?
W: Cold and dirty! It’s coming, but not for quite a while, and not in Gondor.

YESTARE: It gives rise, though the middle pops out and vaults, to scripture study on this day.
ENTARE: Like 4, but neater? No, untidy!
A: ‘You go first,’ we hear, with liquid addition, for a period of time.
RINGARE: It will be magic again, when it comes. (Or so Kate Bush would probably say).

[Huinesoron]

No apostrophe. There is a word in the clue that you haven't taken into account.

Winter filth. :D

Oh wait, dogblammit, that's an actual Hobbit month, isn't it? WINTERFILTH, then.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

N: Christopher’s college logic dawns at the end of an age, and differs from the Shire's.
EREGION: Festive flora still fruitful now, and here?
WINTERFILTH Cold and dirty! It’s coming, but not for quite a while, and not in Gondor.

YESTARE: It gives rise, though the middle pops out and vaults, to scripture study on this day.
ENTARE: Like 4, but neater? No, untidy!
A: ‘You go first,’ we hear, with liquid addition, for a period of time.
RINGARE: It will be magic again, when it comes. (Or so Kate Bush would probably say).

Yes - and not called 'Winterfilth' in Gondor.

[Pervinca Took]

Couple of hints?

N is two words.

A is another hobbit month.

[Huinesoron]

A: after you, L! Er, AFTERYULE.

N: CT lectured at New College, so probably "New Something". "Logic dawns at the end of an age"... I'm stumped, but I'm gonna stab at NEW RECKONING (different from the Shire Reckoning!).

hS

[Pervinca Took]

NEW RECKONING: Christopher’s college logic dawns at the end of an age, and differs from the Shire's.
EREGION: Festive flora still fruitful now, and here?
WINTERFILTH Cold and dirty! It’s coming, but not for quite a while, and not in Gondor.

YESTARE: It gives rise, though the middle pops out and vaults, to scripture study on this day.
ENTARE: Like 4, but neater? No, untidy!
AFTERYULE: ‘You go first,’ we hear, with liquid addition, for a period of time.
RINGARE: It will be magic again, when it comes. (Or so Kate Bush would probably say).

I used 'logic' as a synonym for 'reckoning.'

All done, and over to Urwen!

[Urwen]

I can't think of anything as of now. If anyone else creates one before I can think of something, they can go instead.