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[Mithalwen]

Oh well that explains why driving myself mad with Roman numerals wasn’t going to work. Tricksy.

[Pervinca Took]

I'd totally forgotten about Old Macdonald, and was wandering in bewilderment through the lines of 'Bringing in the Sheaves' and (even better) The Wurzels' repertoire.

Anyway:

1. Mix grub with radishes, at first, and see him emerge.
2. The French aims, if confusing, reveal him.
3. The floor of my grandfather’s house, if initially lost, reveals him. (Sing it!)
4. Toilet edge with a nasal change. A slight flush at the beginning will reveal him.
5. Troubled Plantagenet, I recalled, at first, but a king-in-waiting? Hmmm ….
6. He’s defined by two appendages.
7. He swam around, although this is against his nature, (that is, swallowing seaweed initially).
8. He can take his drink.
9. Invoice him.
10. A thing unfairly sold, twice? Second lost; direction gained. See him.

[Galadriel55]

9. Bill?

[Pervinca Took]

1. Mix grub with radishes, at first, and see him emerge.
2. The French aims, if confusing, reveal him.
3. The floor of my grandfather’s house, if initially lost, reveals him. (Sing it!)
4. Toilet edge with a nasal change. A slight flush at the beginning will reveal him.
5. Troubled Plantagenet, I recalled, at first, but a king-in-waiting? Hmmm ….
6. He’s defined by two appendages.
7. He swam around, although this is against his nature, (that is, swallowing seaweed initially).
8. He can take his drink.
BILL: Invoice him.
10. A thing unfairly sold, twice? Second lost; direction gained. See him.

[Galadriel55]

I can almost get SAMWISE for 7. swam + s(eaweed). Perhaps the remaining "ie" is in "this is". And swimming is certainly against his nature.

[Pervinca Took]

1. Mix grub with radishes, at first, and see him emerge.
2. The French aims, if confusing, reveal him.
3. The floor of my grandfather’s house, if initially lost, reveals him. (Sing it!)
4. Toilet edge with a nasal change. A slight flush at the beginning will reveal him.
5. Troubled Plantagenet, I recalled, at first, but a king-in-waiting? Hmmm ….
6. He’s defined by two appendages.
SAMWISE: He swam around, although this is against his nature, (that is, swallowing seaweed initially).
8. He can take his drink.
BILL: Invoice him.
10. A thing unfairly sold, twice? Second lost; direction gained. See him.

Yes, IE swallows the initial S of seaweed.

[Huinesoron]

#1 grub is FOOD, and if I mix it with the first of radishes, I find FRODO.

#5: I'm not sure Catherine of Aragon was a Plantagenet, but she was certainly troubled, and if we add the initial of 'recalled' to her we find the king-in-waiting ARAGORN.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

FRODO: Mix grub with radishes, at first, and see him emerge.
2. The French aims, if confusing, reveal him.
3. The floor of my grandfather’s house, if initially lost, reveals him. (Sing it!)
4. Toilet edge with a nasal change. A slight flush at the beginning will reveal him.
5. Troubled Plantagenet, I recalled, at first, but a king-in-waiting? Hmmm ….
6. He’s defined by two appendages.
SAMWISE: He swam around, although this is against his nature, (that is, swallowing seaweed initially).
8. He can take his drink.
BILL: Invoice him.
10. A thing unfairly sold, twice? Second lost; direction gained. See him.

Catherine of Aragon was Spanish, and married a Tudor!

[Urwen]

Password: Fellowship.

[Urwen]

2. Legolas (Le+Goals)

[Urwen]

6. Wingfoot (Wing+Foot)

[Pervinca Took]

FRODO: Mix grub with radishes, at first, and see him emerge.
LEGOLAS: The French aims, if confusing, reveal him.
???L???: The floor of my grandfather’s house, if initially lost, reveals him. (Sing it!)
???L???: Toilet edge with a nasal change. A slight flush at the beginning will reveal him.
???O???: Troubled Plantagenet, I recalled, at first, but a king-in-waiting? Hmmm ….
WINGFOOT: He’s defined by two appendages.
SAMWISE: He swam around, although this is against his nature, (that is, swallowing seaweed initially).
???H???: He can take his drink.
BILL: Invoice him.
???P???: A thing unfairly sold, twice? Second lost; direction gained. See him.

[Huinesoron]

For P: I'm contemplating 'pip' as in 'pipped to the post'; I think I've heard it used similarly to 'a steal' when discussing a purchase. PIPPIP minus the last letter of the second instance, plus a direction (N), gives PIPPIN.

The Plantagenet kings were all called Henry, Edward, or Richard, none of which anagrammise particularly helpful. I have a feeling I'm being too literal.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

FRODO: Mix grub with radishes, at first, and see him emerge.
LEGOLAS: The French aims, if confusing, reveal him.
???L???: The floor of my grandfather’s house, if initially lost, reveals him. (Sing it!)
???L???: Toilet edge with a nasal change. A slight flush at the beginning will reveal him.
???O???: Troubled Plantagenet, I recalled, at first, but a king-in-waiting? Hmmm ….
WINGFOOT: He’s defined by two appendages.
SAMWISE: He swam around, although this is against his nature, (that is, swallowing seaweed initially).
???H???: He can take his drink.
BILL: Invoice him.
PIPPIN: A thing unfairly sold, twice? Second lost; direction gained. See him.

The Pippin clue refers to the unfair selling (by high street banks) of PPI with loans. (Maybe I should have added 'relatively recently' and 'in Britain' ... G55 and Urwen, has this happened over the pond too?)

So, PPIPPI, lose the second letter and add N (at the end) for the direction.

...

The PLANTAGENET clue refers to the meaning of the word 'PLANTAGENET.' Tricksily, it does not actually refer to one of the PLANTAGENET family. But the name was adopted due to its meaning.

[Huinesoron]

The Pippin clue refers to the unfair selling (by high street banks) of PPI with loans. (Maybe I should have added 'relatively recently' and 'in Britain' ... G55 and Urwen, has this happened over the pond too?)

So, PPIPPI, lose the second letter and add N (at the end) for the direction.

Yeah, I should have got that. -_- (This morning I heard an ad on the radio: "The deadline for PPI claims may have passed, but for all other claims--" NOT INTERESTED BYE.)

The PLANTAGENET clue refers to the meaning of the word 'PLANTAGENET.' Tricksily, it does not actually refer to one of the PLANTAGENET family. But the name was adopted due to its meaning.

... I remembered that it was something daft and banal, but had to check what. It purportedly comes from the name of the broom plant, which means BROOM + I.R. = BOROMIR.

(So the problem was that I wasn't being literal enough, heh.)

For the first L, I can't get anywhere until I shake the haunting strains of 'My grandfather's clock was too big for its shelf' out of my head. Perhaps someone else will have better luck. :)

hS

[Urwen]

8 is Holdwine.

[Pervinca Took]

FRODO: Mix grub with radishes, at first, and see him emerge.
LEGOLAS: The French aims, if confusing, reveal him.
???L???: The floor of my grandfather’s house, if initially lost, reveals him. (Sing it!)
???L???: Toilet edge with a nasal change. A slight flush at the beginning will reveal him.
BOROMIR: Troubled Plantagenet, I recalled, at first, but a king-in-waiting? Hmmm ….
WINGFOOT: He’s defined by two appendages.
SAMWISE: He swam around, although this is against his nature, (that is, swallowing seaweed initially).
HOLDWINE: He can take his drink.
BILL: Invoice him.
PIPPIN: A thing unfairly sold, twice? Second lost; direction gained. See him.

The clock was too big for the shelf, so ...?

(Don't shake that song away!)

[Urwen]

Oh, I see.

Floor - F = LOOR

LOOR + I + N = Olorin

[Pervinca Took]

Oh, I see.

Floor - F = LOOR

LOOR + I + N = Olorin

Not correct, I'm afraid.

[Urwen]

Maybe we need to remove both F and L. In which case, we get OOR.

[Huinesoron]

The clock was too big for the shelf, so ...?

(Don't shake that song away!)

My grandfather's clock was too large for the shelf
So it stood ninety years on the floor
It was taller by half than the old man himself
Though it weighed not a pennyweight more

So the clock itself is on the floor, initially lost indicates lock...

Oh! The floor is a LOCKBEARER. ^_^ That's a good one, I like that.

For the last one, I think the 'toilet edge' is a rim, which changes its nasal into rin. So I'm going to go with OLORIN, though how 'olo' and 'a slight flush' go together I have no idea. ('olo' looks like the head of a stag beetle or something seen from the front... :eek:)

hS

[Urwen]

It's LOO + RIN, with slight scrambling, I think.

[Pervinca Took]

FRODO: Mix grub with radishes, at first, and see him emerge.
LEGOLAS: The French aims, if confusing, reveal him.
LOCKBEARER: The floor of my grandfather’s house, if initially lost, reveals him. (Sing it!)
OLORIN: Toilet edge with a nasal change. A slight flush at the beginning will reveal him.
BOROMIR: Troubled Plantagenet, I recalled, at first, but a king-in-waiting? Hmmm ….
WINGFOOT: He’s defined by two appendages.
SAMWISE: He swam around, although this is against his nature, (that is, swallowing seaweed initially).
HOLDWINE: He can take his drink.
BILL: Invoice him.
PIPPIN: A thing unfairly sold, twice? Second lost; direction gained. See him.

Indeed. The floor was a CLOCK-BEARER ... lose the initial letter and you get ... GIMLI the LOCKBEARER.

Huey, it's LOO! Flush the LOO slightly to get OLO, plus RIN, (RIM after a nasal change, just as you said). [Edit: Green* explained this while I was typing this post).

Urwen, why does my phone keep autocorrecting URWEN to GREEN? ;) (See ....*) Anyway, Olorin (which my phone just autocorrected to Like) was an answer, but to the other clue. And now ... over to you!

[Urwen]

1. Nay, a fruit! Switch a vowel for him.
2. We hear you took a direction to a tavern, but found him instead.
3. Finwe's daughter gains a path, for her.
4. A backwards story and an article? See him!
5. A religious woman and a fractured article form her.
6. McCulley's hero loses head, but gains a heavenly body. This place is revealed.
7. A girl returns to a city, or is it a harbour?

[Pervinca Took]

5. NUNETH.

NUN + fractured THE.

4. ELATAN, the husband of Silmarien.

(TALE backwards, plus AN).

7. ROMENNA?

It has ANN backwards, and ROME. And it's a harbour.

Password and theme: NUMENOR?

[Urwen]

1. Nay, a fruit! Switch a vowel for him.
2. We hear you took a direction to a tavern, but found him instead.
3. Finwe's daughter gains a path, for her.
ELATAN: A backwards story and an article? See him!
NUNETH: A religious woman and a fractured article form her.
6. McCulley's hero loses head, but gains a heavenly body. This place is revealed.
ROMENNA: A girl returns to a city, or is it a harbour?

Password & Theme: Numenor

[Pervinca Took]

1. NOLIMON (2nd King of NUMENOR, but only a titular king).

NO + LEMON, then swap the E for an I.

[Pervinca Took]

6. ORROSTAR?

STAR for the heavenly body. Hero ... Don't know ... Zorro? (Without Z, the 'head' or first letter).

3. MIRIEL (as in Tar-Miriel).

IRIME + L.

[Urwen]

NOLIMON: Nay, a fruit! Switch a vowel for him.
2. We hear you took a direction to a tavern, but found him instead.
MIRIEL: Finwe's daughter gains a path, for her.
ELATAN: A backwards story and an article? See him!
NUNETH: A religious woman and a fractured article form her.
ORROSTAR: McCulley's hero loses head, but gains a heavenly body. This place is revealed.
ROMENNA: A girl returns to a city, or is it a harbour?

Password & Theme: Numenor

[Pervinca Took]

ULBAR, shepherd, then mariner.

U + L + BAR.

[Huinesoron]

o.o I look away for one evening and the password tumbles like dominoes. Nice work to both of you.

hS

[Urwen]

NOLIMON: Nay, a fruit! Switch a vowel for him.
ULBAR: We hear you took a direction to a tavern, but found him instead.
MIRIEL: Finwe's daughter gains a path, for her.
ELATAN: A backwards story and an article? See him!
NUNETH: A religious woman and a fractured article form her.
ORROSTAR: McCulley's hero loses head, but gains a heavenly body. This place is revealed.
ROMENNA: A girl returns to a city, or is it a harbour?

Password & Theme: Numenor

And over to Pervinca.

[Pervinca Took]

Had this one planned for a while, but have only just now found time to write the clues for it. Hope you like it.

1. See him where the deer runs back and the alder wood begins.
2. This thing seems to lisp about where some random bloke has been supine!
3. ‘Mere nothingness!’ He’s in Angst, sure, or turmoil at the least, but is he really such a nihilist?
4. Someone who complains when fasting will really come unstuck here.
5. Here, a healthy water meadow meets Meduseld, perhaps.
6. ‘Alternatively, be gracious here,’ we heard.
7. A bad experience with caviar in the North? Well, somewhere. It’s appalling.
8. A biblical dude and an Amsterdam bloom get together – cacophonously – to trumpet its presence!
9. Desire good opinion here, despite losing an article in transition?
10. Here comes an equine hybrid carrying stoat furs? Sounds like it … pretty much.
11. Here, with a cruel, gloating shout, they ended the Maid of Orléans - give or take a couple of vowels.
12. Mixed rag hats are his style, perhaps?

[Huinesoron]

#1: a deer could be a HART, which we can run back to get TRAH + ALD = a Smeagol by any other name (would still smell of fish).

#10... I think stoat fur is ERMINE, and the one real equine hybrid I know is a MULE... getting them in that order takes me right to the EMYN MUIL.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

TRAHALD: See him where the deer runs back and the alder wood begins.
2. This thing seems to lisp about where some random bloke has been supine!
3. ‘Mere nothingness!’ He’s in Angst, sure, or turmoil at the least, but is he really such a nihilist?
4. Someone who complains when fasting will really come unstuck here.
5. Here, a healthy water meadow meets Meduseld, perhaps.
6. ‘Alternatively, be gracious here,’ we heard.
7. A bad experience with caviar in the North? Well, somewhere. It’s appalling.
8. A biblical dude and an Amsterdam bloom get together – cacophonously – to trumpet its presence!
9. Desire good opinion here, despite losing an article in transition?
EMYN MUIL: Here comes an equine hybrid carrying stoat furs? Sounds like it … pretty much.
11. Here, with a cruel, gloating shout, they ended the Maid of Orléans - give or take a couple of vowels.
12. Mixed rag hats are his style, perhaps?

Indeed ... did you use 'hart' as an element in your own Trahald clue, not that long ago?

[Mithalwen]

12 Shagrat? Anagram of rag hats

[Pervinca Took]

TRAHALD: See him where the deer runs back and the alder wood begins.
2. This thing seems to lisp about where some random bloke has been supine!
3. ‘Mere nothingness!’ He’s in Angst, sure, or turmoil at the least, but is he really such a nihilist?
4. Someone who complains when fasting will really come unstuck here.
5. Here, a healthy water meadow meets Meduseld, perhaps.
6. ‘Alternatively, be gracious here,’ we heard.
7. A bad experience with caviar in the North? Well, somewhere. It’s appalling.
8. A biblical dude and an Amsterdam bloom get together – cacophonously – to trumpet its presence!
9. Desire good opinion here, despite losing an article in transition?
EMYN MUIL: Here comes an equine hybrid carrying stoat furs? Sounds like it … pretty much.
11. Here, with a cruel, gloating shout, they ended the Maid of Orléans - give or take a couple of vowels.
SHAGRAT: Mixed rag hats are his style, perhaps?

Indeed.

[Mithalwen]

11 Rohan? I seem to recall that Joan of Arc was executed at Rouen and ha! Could be the shout evict the excess vowels and you get Rohan.

[Pervinca Took]

TRAHALD: See him where the deer runs back and the alder wood begins.
2. This thing seems to lisp about where some random bloke has been supine!
3. ‘Mere nothingness!’ He’s in Angst, sure, or turmoil at the least, but is he really such a nihilist?
4. Someone who complains when fasting will really come unstuck here.
5. Here, a healthy water meadow meets Meduseld, perhaps.
6. ‘Alternatively, be gracious here,’ we heard.
7. A bad experience with caviar in the North? Well, somewhere. It’s appalling.
8. A biblical dude and an Amsterdam bloom get together – cacophonously – to trumpet its presence!
9. Desire good opinion here, despite losing an article in transition?
EMYN MUIL: Here comes an equine hybrid carrying stoat furs? Sounds like it … pretty much.
ROHAN: Here, with a cruel, gloating shout, they ended the Maid of Orléans - give or take a couple of vowels.
SHAGRAT: Mixed rag hats are his style, perhaps?

Correct in all details.

[Mithalwen]

Not very confident Orthanc for 6 or ant thank could be being gracious

[Pervinca Took]

TRAHALD: See him where the deer runs back and the alder wood begins.
2. This thing seems to lisp about where some random bloke has been supine!
3. ‘Mere nothingness!’ He’s in Angst, sure, or turmoil at the least, but is he really such a nihilist?
4. Someone who complains when fasting will really come unstuck here.
5. Here, a healthy water meadow meets Meduseld, perhaps.
ORTHANC: ‘Alternatively, be gracious here,’ we heard.
7. A bad experience with caviar in the North? Well, somewhere. It’s appalling.
8. A biblical dude and an Amsterdam bloom get together – cacophonously – to trumpet its presence!
9. Desire good opinion here, despite losing an article in transition?
EMYN MUIL: Here comes an equine hybrid carrying stoat furs? Sounds like it … pretty much.
ROHAN: Here, with a cruel, gloating shout, they ended the Maid of Orléans - give or take a couple of vowels.
SHAGRAT: Mixed rag hats are his style, perhaps?

Yes. It's gracious to thank people, so OR plus a 'heard' THANK.

[Mithalwen]

Is the password The Two Towers?

[Pervinca Took]

Is the password The Two Towers?

It is indeed. :)

[Pervinca Took]

TRAHALD: See him where the deer runs back and the alder wood begins.
H: This thing seems to lisp about where some random bloke has been supine!
E: ‘Mere nothingness!’ He’s in Angst, sure, or turmoil at the least, but is he really such a nihilist?

T: Someone who complains when fasting will really come unstuck here.
W: Here, a healthy water meadow meets Meduseld, perhaps.
ORTHANC: ‘Alternatively, be gracious here,’ we heard.

T: A bad experience with caviar in the North? Well, somewhere. It’s appalling.
O: A biblical dude and an Amsterdam bloom get together – cacophonously – to trumpet its presence!
W: Desire good opinion here, despite losing an article in transition?
EMYN MUIL: Here comes an equine hybrid carrying stoat furs? Sounds like it … pretty much.
ROHAN: Here, with a cruel, gloating shout, they ended the Maid of Orléans - give or take a couple of vowels.
SHAGRAT: Mixed rag hats are his style, perhaps?

[Mithalwen]

Is the remaining E Eomer - anagram of mere with a o/0 for nothingness?

[Pervinca Took]

TRAHALD: See him where the deer runs back and the alder wood begins.
H: This thing seems to lisp about where some random bloke has been supine!
EOMER: ‘Mere nothingness!’ He’s in Angst, sure, or turmoil at the least, but is he really such a nihilist?

T: Someone who complains when fasting will really come unstuck here.
W: Here, a healthy water meadow meets Meduseld, perhaps.
ORTHANC: ‘Alternatively, be gracious here,’ we heard.

T: A bad experience with caviar in the North? Well, somewhere. It’s appalling.
O: A biblical dude and an Amsterdam bloom get together – cacophonously – to trumpet its presence!
W: Desire good opinion here, despite losing an article in transition?
EMYN MUIL: Here comes an equine hybrid carrying stoat furs? Sounds like it … pretty much.
ROHAN: Here, with a cruel, gloating shout, they ended the Maid of Orléans - give or take a couple of vowels.
SHAGRAT: Mixed rag hats are his style, perhaps?

[Huinesoron]

Okay, so: for the first W, could this be WELLINGHALL? Meduseld is the Golden Hall, and a water-meadow might have water welling up?

For H: HITHLAIN is the material of Lorien cloaks, and sounds like 'He's lain'.

Of the remaining 4 clues, it looks like we have one object (O) and three places (T, T, W). No people, which is nice to avoid random Riders. So I'm just going to throw out some thoughts for now:

T(1): Who complains while fasting? Hobbits, including Gollum.

T(2): I... don't even know where to start.

W: How many flippin' places beginning with W can there be? Most of them start with 'White'. 'Desire' suggests a name starting with WANT, but... there aren't any. Could be Want + He[something], so that 'the' can be removed from the middle, but what's the something?

Or, this could be just a big long straight clue, and point at the WINDING STAIR as the place where Gollum had his final turn back to evil.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

TRAHALD: See him where the deer runs back and the alder wood begins.
HITHLAIN: This thing seems to lisp about where some random bloke has been supine!
EOMER: ‘Mere nothingness!’ He’s in Angst, sure, or turmoil at the least, but is he really such a nihilist?

T: Someone who complains when fasting will really come unstuck here.
WELLINGHALL: Here, a healthy water meadow meets Meduseld, perhaps.
ORTHANC: ‘Alternatively, be gracious here,’ we heard.

T: A bad experience with caviar in the North? Well, somewhere. It’s appalling.
O: A biblical dude and an Amsterdam bloom get together – cacophonously – to trumpet its presence!
W: Desire good opinion here, despite losing an article in transition?
EMYN MUIL: Here comes an equine hybrid carrying stoat furs? Sounds like it … pretty much.
ROHAN: Here, with a cruel, gloating shout, they ended the Maid of Orléans - give or take a couple of vowels.
SHAGRAT: Mixed rag hats are his style, perhaps?

Your logic for HITHLAIN is perfect. (You didn't mention the lisp, but I'm sure you took it into account).

For WELLINGHALL:

Healthy = WELL
A water meadow is an ING
Meduseld is indeed a HALL.

I suppose water that is 'welling' is moving and not stagnant, though, and thus healthy. I wasn't deliberately using the aqueously-connected meaning of well, though. ;)

The only other correct element you have is WANT. But you need another element, and also to consider what 'in transition' means.

Well done on your correct answers so far. :)

However ...

C'mon! How many things could an Amsterdam bloom be? :D

[Huinesoron]

Your logic for HITHLAIN is perfect. (You didn't mention the lisp, but I'm sure you took it into account).

I did. :)

A water meadow is an ING

And that's my thing to learn for today!

C'mon! How many things could an Amsterdam bloom be? :D

So apparently I totally forgot this one existed... it must surely be a tulip, which means Biblical Dude must have an O in his name. Given that I can't think of any Middle-earth things with 'tulip' in their name, I'm going to guess that 'cacophonously' is an anagram indicator.

At least u and p are both uncommon letters... a quick check throws up OLIPHAUNT, making the Biblical character... Ohan? Oh, right, Noah.

[Mumak trumpeting noises]

hS

[Pervinca Took]

TRAHALD: See him where the deer runs back and the alder wood begins.
HITHLAIN: This thing seems to lisp about where some random bloke has been supine!
EOMER: ‘Mere nothingness!’ He’s in Angst, sure, or turmoil at the least, but is he really such a nihilist?

T: Someone who complains when fasting will really come unstuck here.
WELLINGHALL: Here, a healthy water meadow meets Meduseld, perhaps.
ORTHANC: ‘Alternatively, be gracious here,’ we heard.

T: A bad experience with caviar in the North? Well, somewhere. It’s appalling.
OLIPHAUNT: A biblical dude and an Amsterdam bloom get together – cacophonously – to trumpet its presence!
W: Desire good opinion here, despite losing an article in transition?
EMYN MUIL: Here comes an equine hybrid carrying stoat furs? Sounds like it … pretty much.
ROHAN: Here, with a cruel, gloating shout, they ended the Maid of Orléans - give or take a couple of vowels.
SHAGRAT: Mixed rag hats are his style, maybe?

Actually, given how many more things are legal in the Netherlands than here, heaven knows *what* else an Amsterdam bloom might be. (Cough ladies in red-lit windows cough).

And a further hint:-

WANT is correct. What is another word for respect or good opinion?

[Pervinca Took]

The 2nd T:

What, essentially, is caviar?

And what's another word for a bad experience?

[Urwen]

I got it

Westemnet (WANT - A + ESTEEM)

[Pervinca Took]

TRAHALD: See him where the deer runs back and the alder wood begins.
HITHLAIN: This thing seems to lisp about where some random bloke has been supine!
EOMER: ‘Mere nothingness!’ He’s in Angst, sure, or turmoil at the least, but is he really such a nihilist?

T: Someone who complains when fasting will really come unstuck here.
WELLINGHALL: Here, a healthy water meadow meets Meduseld, perhaps.
ORTHANC: ‘Alternatively, be gracious here,’ we heard.

T: A bad experience with caviar in the North? Well, somewhere. It’s appalling.
OLIPHAUNT: A biblical dude and an Amsterdam bloom get together – cacophonously – to trumpet its presence!
WESTEMNET: Desire good opinion here, despite losing an article in transition?
EMYN MUIL: Here comes an equine hybrid carrying stoat furs? Sounds like it … pretty much.
ROHAN: Here, with a cruel, gloating shout, they ended the Maid of Orléans - give or take a couple of vowels.
SHAGRAT: Mixed rag hats are his style, maybe?

[Urwen]

Is there no one else around who wants to attempt to solve this anymore?

[Pervinca Took]

Well, the 2nd T is a mixture of 3 elements, none of them particularly hard.

The other T is a mixture of someone who complains and a fasting period.

[Urwen]

Well, I found Tauremorna and Tauremornalome, which are both names for Fangorn, which appeared in two towers, and both contain MOANER, but I can't find a word for fasting that fits the remainder.

[Huinesoron]

Well, I found Tauremorna and Tauremornalome, which are both names for Fangorn, which appeared in two towers, and both contain MOANER, but I can't find a word for fasting that fits the remainder.

LENT is the most obvious period of fasting, followed I think by RAMADAN, which is a bit long. Obviously neither of them work with those possibilities.

Caviar is fish eggs, or maybe fish jam, +a word containing a T that probably means the North? Or maybe is a place in Northern England (or Middle-earth, possibly).

I'm guessing 'appalling' and 'unstuck' are the anagram indicators, and that 'somewhere' and 'here' are the straight clues indication locations.

(And to answer your previous - I'd love to, I've just run completely dry on ideas. As this post may prove.)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Perhaps I should just end the agony. ;)

TAUREMORNA is indeed an answer, but to the OTHER clue.

It's TRAUMA + ROE + N.

...

Whereas one who complains whilst fasting could be a LENT GROUCH. :D Although admittedly 'lenten' would have been better grammatically, it would NOT, when unstuck, have revealed the terrible horror of ...

TORECH UNGOL.

Mithalwen solved the password. Is she around?

[Pervinca Took]

TRAHALD: See him where the deer runs back and the alder wood begins.
HITHLAIN: This thing seems to lisp about where some random bloke has been supine!
EOMER: ‘Mere nothingness!’ He’s in Angst, sure, or turmoil at the least, but is he really such a nihilist?

TORECH UNGOL: Someone who complains when fasting will really come unstuck here.
WELLINGHALL: Here, a healthy water meadow meets Meduseld, perhaps.
ORTHANC: ‘Alternatively, be gracious here,’ we heard.

TAUREMORNA: A bad experience with caviar in the North? Well, somewhere. It’s appalling.
OLIPHAUNT: A biblical dude and an Amsterdam bloom get together – cacophonously – to trumpet its presence!
WESTEMNET: Desire good opinion here, despite losing an article in transition?
EMYN MUIL: Here comes an equine hybrid carrying stoat furs? Sounds like it … pretty much.
ROHAN: Here, with a cruel, gloating shout, they ended the Maid of Orléans - give or take a couple of vowels.
SHAGRAT: Mixed rag hats are his style, maybe?

Over to MITHALWEN!

[Urwen]

I don't think they are, but we can wait a while. If they don't show up in a couple of days, someone else can take over.

[Mithalwen]

I will either post something in 24-48 hours or let you know I can’t as I am not having a great time just now in any respect.

[Pervinca Took]

Sorry to hear that, Mith. :(

[Mithalwen]

Sorry. Came home and slept again. If anyone wants the turn they can have it. Otherwise I will try to complete my half idea

[Urwen]

1. A heap, a vehicle, and a German note spin for it.
2. A returning river meets a broken norm with a vowel switch? See it.
3. A broken Danish toy inside of conjunction reveals it.
4. Spin an aquatic mammal with a vowel shift and a returning element for it.
5. Combine this traitor with his house's symbol, rearranged, for it.
6. The girl (with a vowel switch - twice) is gone without end, and it appears.

[Huinesoron]

4: seems likely to be based on 'whale', but could be something else. Are otters aquatic? Because they have a decent set of letters to spin up and splice with an element.

5: I'm guessing MAEGLIN+MOLE on general principles, but there are other possibilities. My anagram skills are as weak as ever, so yeah.

6: Th*g*rlisgon actually looks pretty close to a Tolkien name, though not a specific one. I'd guess at least a couple of the words need anagramming.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Could 6 be SEREGON - SARA with two vowel switches plus GON(E) ?

And could the things/password be PLANTS?

(With 1 maybe beginning with PILE).

[Urwen]

5 doesn't involve a Tolkien traitor at all, and correct on Seregon and the password.

[Urwen]

P: A heap, a vehicle, and a German note spin for it.
L: A returning river meets a broken norm with a vowel switch? See it.
A: A broken Danish toy inside of conjunction reveals it.
N: Spin an aquatic mammal with a vowel shift and a returning element for it.
T: Combine this traitor with his house's symbol, rearranged, for it.
SEREGON: The girl (with a vowel switch - twice) is gone without end, and it appears.

[Pervinca Took]

Maybe Wormtail + griffin for the traitor? ;)

Can't make anything of it, though.

[Urwen]

Maybe Wormtail + griffin for the traitor? ;)

Can't make anything of it, though.


Exactly. And what is Wormtail's real first name?

[Pervinca Took]

I wondered if it was PETER + GRIFFIN.

AH!

TELPERION.

Peter + Lion.

[Urwen]

P: A heap, a vehicle, and a German note spin for it.
L: A returning river meets a broken norm with a vowel switch? See it.
A: A broken Danish toy inside of conjunction reveals it.
N: Spin an aquatic mammal with a vowel shift and a returning element for it.
TELPERION: Combine this traitor with his house's symbol, rearranged, for it.
SEREGON: The girl (with a vowel switch - twice) is gone without end, and it appears.


The T clue is how the whole idea for the password was born. I had it planned for weeks now.

[Pervinca Took]

Been thinking of LAVARALDA for clue 2. RIVIL backwards, with the vowels changed. But can't find a synonym of 'norm.'

LEGETOJ is Danish for 'toy.'

But the only likely plant seems to be AthelaS, with AS as the surrounding conjunction.

[Urwen]

You are close on 2, but it's not Danish word for toy, but rather, the name of a Danish toy brand (which is derivated from Danish word for toy)

[Huinesoron]

You are close on 2, but it's not Danish word for toy, but rather, the name of a Danish toy brand (which is derivated from Danish word for toy)

As + Lego = AEGLOS, the snowthorn of Amon Rûdh.

hS

[Urwen]

P: A heap, a vehicle, and a German note spin for it.
L: A returning river meets a broken norm with a vowel switch? See it.
AEGLOS: A broken Danish toy inside of conjunction reveals it.
N: Spin an aquatic mammal with a vowel shift and a returning element for it.
TELPERION: Combine this traitor with his house's symbol, rearranged, for it.
SEREGON: The girl (with a vowel switch - twice) is gone without end, and it appears.

[Pervinca Took]

Could N be NIPHREDIL?

Mainly based on LI(THIUM) being reversed at the end. But the rest of it could make DERPHIN, which isn't THAT far from 'dolphin.'

[Urwen]

Actually, it is IR+DELPHIN.

[Urwen]

P: A heap, a vehicle, and a German note spin for it.
L: A returning river meets a broken norm with a vowel switch? See it.
AEGLOS: A broken Danish toy inside of conjunction reveals it.
NIPHREDIL: Spin an aquatic mammal with a vowel shift and a returning element for it.
TELPERION: Combine this traitor with his house's symbol, rearranged, for it.
SEREGON: The girl (with a vowel switch - twice) is gone without end, and it appears.

[Pervinca Took]

I'm going to guess ELANOR for L, using the second letter for the password.

NILE backwards with a vowel change, plus NOR(M).

[Urwen]

Nope, but the river is correct.

[Pervinca Took]

Nearest I can get for P is PIMPERNEL, which has PILE.

German note suggests H. But no P------- plant I can find also has an H.

So maybe it's A in German (plus an unrelated note): EIN or EINE. PIMPERNEL has both, but it takes letters away from PILE to account for them.

So maybe it's a German person/personal name, plus AN unrelated note.

PERVINCA has VAN for the vehicle, and ERIC, but is that particularly German?

A VEHICLE can be a method/way/channel/conduit, but that hasn't led me to a solution either.

[Urwen]

Nope.

[Urwen]

Maybe this will help: http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Category:Plants

[Huinesoron]

L: I tried Lebethron, but then remembered, oh yeah, there's Two Trees... LAURELIN is reversed NILE + ... vowel-switched REAL, maybe? Oh, no, it's RULE.

P: well, your link suggests PILINEHTAR, which could be PILE + TRAIN + ...H? Oh, right, because German musical notation is... kind of weird, actually? I guess all musical notation is weird, but starting with A-H-B-C is a different kind of odd.

hS

[Urwen]

PILINEHTAR: A heap, a vehicle, and a German note spin for it.
L: A returning river meets a broken norm with a vowel switch? See it.
AEGLOS: A broken Danish toy inside of conjunction reveals it.
NIPHREDIL: Spin an aquatic mammal with a vowel shift and a returning element for it.
TELPERION: Combine this traitor with his house's symbol, rearranged, for it.
SEREGON: The girl (with a vowel switch - twice) is gone without end, and it appears.


L is T's 'twin'.

[Huinesoron]

Can I check whether my guess at Laurelin is wrong, or whether you just missed it?

If it's not Laurelin, then... maybe another name for Laurelin? :D She was named Lindeloksë and Lasgalen, though no rivers spring out at me.

hS

[Urwen]

PILINEHTAR: A heap, a vehicle, and a German note spin for it.
LAURELIN: A returning river meets a broken norm with a vowel switch? See it.
AEGLOS: A broken Danish toy inside of conjunction reveals it.
NIPHREDIL: Spin an aquatic mammal with a vowel shift and a returning element for it.
TELPERION: Combine this traitor with his house's symbol, rearranged, for it.
SEREGON: The girl (with a vowel switch - twice) is gone without end, and it appears.

It's Nile backwards + RULE - E + A

And now over to Pervinca.

[Pervinca Took]

A very nice password and theme, Urwen. :)

OK, then. Here's the next one. Enjoy! ;)


1. Thank you, nurse!’ (American text speak). Here, a twisting cave leads to the beginning of the underworld.
2. Nimble Field Marshal gains direction even as all becomes confused here.
3. See him before the decay returns; a sibilant is swallowed.
4. Ask Debussy when he sings. It might be after noon.
5. Thingol’s land is transformed into another, as a fricative element gives way to hesitation in the general turmoil.
6. He’s a lover of confectionery, with only one small exception.
7. Food guilt? It’s confusing when someone lays that on you.
8. His table manners leave much to be desired.
9. Shrivel without hesitation, here in France? Decline, after first loss. But on it flows.
10. Fifty pence pieces can really weigh your pockets down! That considered, on it runs.
11. Here you’ll find a stove with tooth marks in it, they say!
12. Girl traps boy here. Mother too, initially, and first.
13. Here find oriental bread, lose two articles, and meet a physician.
14. Flatulent and sibilant children’s author? (Forget his surname). It's confusing, but perhaps he’s sampled this?
15. Spanish greeting for Balin’s directionless dad; despite the confusion, it’s not that far from where his son lies.
16. Charlatan of a professor – looks peaky after much confusion!
17. He’s semi-sedentary, with very minimal disturbance.
18. An eternally tough dancer, we hear.
19. Dark Lord changes direction as he tumbles here.
20. What Drogo might have yelled here, in 2980, had he been a Cockney?
21. Does he really ban the use of certain plosives?
22. To a linguist’s mind, he seems almost to specialise in golden tautology.

[Huinesoron]

Okay, let's see:

#9: WITHER - ER, + Y (from the French), + DWINDLE - D = WITHYWINDLE.

#5: DORIATH - TH + ER = ERIADOR.

The straight clues are a good balance between helpful and vague, so thank you for that. :)

hS

[Urwen]

Well, the Dark Lords are Morgoth, Sauron or Voldemort, but I am going to assume it's Morgoth. :p

[Pervinca Took]

1. Thank you, nurse!’ (American text speak). Here, a twisting cave leads to the beginning of the underworld.
2. Nimble Field Marshal gains direction even as all becomes confused here.
3. See him before the decay returns; a sibilant is swallowed.
4. Ask Debussy when he sings. It might be after noon.
ERIADOR: Thingol’s land is transformed into another, as a fricative element gives way to hesitation in the general turmoil.
6. He’s a lover of confectionery, with only one small exception.
7. Food guilt? It’s confusing when someone lays that on you.
8. His table manners leave much to be desired.
WITHYWINDLE: Shrivel without hesitation, here in France? Decline, after first loss. But on it flows.
10. Fifty pence pieces can really weigh your pockets down, I hear! That considered, on it runs.
11. Here you’ll find a stove with tooth marks in it, they say!
12. Girl traps boy here. Mother too, initially, and first.
13. Here find oriental bread, lose two articles, and meet a physician.
14. Flatulent and sibilant children’s author? (Forget his surname). It's confusing, but perhaps he’s sampled this?
15. Spanish greeting for Balin’s directionless dad; despite the confusion, it’s not that far from where his son lies.
16. Charlatan of a professor – looks peaky after much confusion!
17. He’s semi-sedentary, with very minimal disturbance.
18. An eternally tough dancer, we hear.
19. Dark Lord changes direction as he tumbles here.
20. What Drogo might have yelled here, in 2980, had he been a Cockney?
21. Does he really ban the use of a certain plosive?
22. To a linguist’s mind, he seems almost to specialise in golden tautology.

Exactly right on 5 and 9.

Wrong Dark Lord, Urwen.

EDIT: I've slightly amended clues 10 and 21.

[Urwen]

Sauron, then?

[Pervinca Took]

Sauron, then?

Yes, but that's only an element. It's not the answer.

[Urwen]

Oh, I know, Rauros.

[Urwen]

I don't really understand most of the clues.....

[Huinesoron]

#21: So does he shout "NO B!"?

#4: I thought this was like a pop/rock thing, but apparently Claude Debussy is a classical composer. One of his works was Prélude à l'après-midi d'un faune, which... suggests the answer might be APRES-MIDI, but I can't for the life of me see why.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. Thank you, nurse!’ (American text speak). Here, a twisting cave leads to the beginning of the underworld.
2. Nimble Field Marshal gains direction even as all becomes confused here.
3. See him before the decay returns; a sibilant is swallowed.
4. Ask Debussy when it sounds like he sings. It might be after noon.
ERIADOR: Thingol’s land is transformed into another, as a fricative element gives way to hesitation in the general turmoil.
6. He’s a lover of confectionery, with only one small exception.
7. Food guilt? It’s confusing when someone lays that on you.
8. His table manners leave much to be desired.
WITHYWINDLE: Shrivel without hesitation, here in France? Decline, after first loss. But on it flows.
10. Fifty pence pieces can really weigh your pockets down, I hear! That considered, on it runs.
11. Here you’ll find a stove with tooth marks in it, they say!
12. Girl traps boy here. Mother too, initially, and first.
13. Here find oriental bread, lose two articles, and meet a physician.
14. Flatulent and sibilant children’s author? (Forget his surname). It's confusing, but perhaps he’s sampled this?
15. Spanish greeting for Balin’s directionless dad; despite the confusion, it’s not that far from where his son lies.
16. Charlatan of a professor – looks peaky after much confusion!
17. He’s semi-sedentary, with very minimal disturbance.
18. An eternally tough dancer, we hear.
RAUROS: Dark Lord changes direction as he tumbles here.
20. What Drogo might have yelled here, in 2980, had he been a Cockney?
NOB: Does he really ban the use of a certain plosive?
22. To a linguist’s mind, he seems almost to specialise in golden tautology.

I looked at the plosive clue and couldn't for the life of me work out the answer. Until I looked at my answer. Then I edited it slightly. NOB it is.

I've edited the Debussy clue. It needed a 'sounds like' element. You have the right piece of music.

Yes, RAUROS has the N direction changed to R, and the letters tumble, but so do the falls! (of Rauros).

[Huinesoron]

A dubious guess for #14: is he HALF FAST (ie, still, steady), = HALFAST?

15: I was assuming Hola, but it seems VALE is a Spanish greeting too. Balin's dad is Fundin, and if we remove F for forward (or indeed formen) we can get... pretty close to VALE OF ANDUIN. Which isn't too far from Moria, and in fact is right next to where Balin lies down in Beorn's house.

hS

[Huinesoron]

Ah, there it is. #3 ERE + S + reversed ROT = ERESTOR.

(I was stuck with 'pre' for 'before', and wound up getting sidetracked wondering if Tolkien had included any version of Prester John in his works.)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. Thank you, nurse!’ (American text speak). Here, a twisting cave leads to the beginning of the underworld.
2. Nimble Field Marshal gains direction even as all becomes confused here.
ERESTOR: See him before the decay returns; a sibilant is swallowed.
4. Ask Debussy when it sounds like he sings. It might be after noon.
ERIADOR: Thingol’s land is transformed into another, as a fricative element gives way to hesitation in the general turmoil.
6. He’s a lover of confectionery, with only one small exception.
7. Food guilt? It’s confusing when someone lays that on you.
8. His table manners leave much to be desired.
WITHYWINDLE: Shrivel without hesitation, here in France? Decline, after first loss. But on it flows.
10. Fifty pence pieces can really weigh your pockets down, I hear! That considered, on it runs.
11. Here you’ll find a stove with tooth marks in it, they say!
12. Girl traps boy here. Mother too, initially, and first.
13. Here find oriental bread, lose two articles, and meet a physician.
14. Flatulent and sibilant children’s author? (Forget his surname). It's confusing, but perhaps he’s sampled this?
15. Spanish greeting for Balin’s directionless dad; despite the confusion, it’s not that far from where his son lies.
16. Charlatan of a professor – looks peaky after much confusion!
HALFAST: He’s semi-sedentary, with very minimal disturbance.
18. An eternally tough dancer, we hear.
RAUROS: Dark Lord changes direction as he tumbles here.
20. What Drogo might have yelled here, in 2980, had he been a Cockney?
NOB: Does he really ban the use of a certain plosive?
22. To a linguist’s mind, he seems almost to specialise in golden tautology.

Perfect reasoning for ERESTOR.

Clue 17 indicates a guy who is HALF SAT, which, with minimal disturbance, does give us HALFAST.

The element you need for 15 is HOLA, not vale.

[Pervinca Took]

Ah, there it is. #3 ERE + S + reversed ROT = ERESTOR.

(I was stuck with 'pre' for 'before', and wound up getting sidetracked wondering if Tolkien had included any version of Prester John in his works.)

hS

Why Prester John, Huey?

[Urwen]

Password is The Fellowship of the Ring. You're welcome.

[Pervinca Took]

T: Thank you, nurse!’ (American text speak). Here, a twisting cave leads to the beginning of the underworld.
H: Nimble Field Marshal gains direction even as all becomes confused here.
ERESTOR: See him before the decay returns; a sibilant is swallowed.

F: Ask Debussy when it sounds like he sings. It might be after noon.
ERIADOR: Thingol’s land is transformed into another, as a fricative element gives way to hesitation in the general turmoil.
L: He’s a lover of confectionery, with only one small exception.
L: Food guilt? It’s confusing when someone lays that on you.
O: His table manners leave much to be desired.
WITHYWINDLE: Shrivel without hesitation, here in France? Decline, after first loss. But on it flows.
S: Fifty pence pieces can really weigh your pockets down, I hear! That considered, on it runs.
H: Here you’ll find a stove with tooth marks in it, they say!
I: Girl traps boy here. Mother too, initially, and first.
P: Here find oriental bread, lose two articles, and meet a physician.

O: Flatulent and sibilant children’s author? (Forget his surname). It's confusing, but perhaps he’s sampled this?
F: Spanish greeting for Balin’s directionless dad; despite the confusion, it’s not that far from where his son lies.

T: Charlatan of a professor – looks peaky after much confusion!
HALFAST: He’s semi-sedentary, with very minimal disturbance.
E: An eternally tough dancer, we hear.

RAUROS: Dark Lord changes direction as he tumbles here.
I: What Drogo might have yelled here, in 2980, had he been a Cockney?
NOB: Does he really ban the use of a certain plosive?
G: To a linguist’s mind, he seems almost to specialise in golden tautology.

[Galadriel55]

1. TY (thank you text speak) + RN (nurse) + ?groth (twisted cave) = almost Tyrn Gorthad.

So, Tyrn Gorthad?

[Huinesoron]

Password is The Fellowship of the Ring. You're welcome.

Oh, nice! Hopefully we can knock down the remaining clues nice and quickly now. :)

S: 50p is a silver coin, so this clue describes a SILVER LOAD... sorry, SILVERLODE.

G: I'm wondering at GOLDORIN for this (Telerin, 'Noldorin'), since it starts with Gold + Or (heraldic term for gold), but I'm also drawn to GLORFINDEL because... well... it's got 'gold' in it in a different language.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

TYRN GORTHAD: Thank you, nurse!’ (American text speak). Here, a twisting cave leads to the beginning of the underworld.
H: Nimble Field Marshal gains direction even as all becomes confused here.
ERESTOR: See him before the decay returns; a sibilant is swallowed.

F: Ask Debussy when it sounds like he sings. It might be after noon.
ERIADOR: Thingol’s land is transformed into another, as a fricative element gives way to hesitation in the general turmoil.
L: He’s a lover of confectionery, with only one small exception.
L: Food guilt? It’s confusing when someone lays that on you.
O: His table manners leave much to be desired.
WITHYWINDLE: Shrivel without hesitation, here in France? Decline, after first loss. But on it flows.
SILVERLODE: Fifty pence pieces can really weigh your pockets down, I hear! That considered, on it runs.
H: Here you’ll find a stove with tooth marks in it, they say!
I: Girl traps boy here. Mother too, initially, and first.
P: Here find oriental bread, lose two articles, and meet a physician.

O: Flatulent and sibilant children’s author? (Forget his surname). It's confusing, but perhaps he’s sampled this?
F: Spanish greeting for Balin’s directionless dad; despite the confusion, it’s not that far from where his son lies.

T: Charlatan of a professor – looks peaky after much confusion!
HALFAST: He’s semi-sedentary, with very minimal disturbance.
E: An eternally tough dancer, we hear.

RAUROS: Dark Lord changes direction as he tumbles here.
I: What Drogo might have yelled here, in 2980, had he been a Cockney?
NOB: Does he really ban the use of a certain plosive?
G: To a linguist’s mind, he seems almost to specialise in golden tautology.

TY (Thank you in text speak) + RN (Registered Nurse - American because they're RGN's in Britain (the G is for General)) + GROT for cave ('She took me to her elfin grot' is a line from Keats's 'La Belle Dame Sans Merci') + HAD(ES).

SILVERLODE - quite correct, SILVER being a word used to collectively refer to silver-coloured coins, (50p, 20p, 10p, 5p). Do you have that term in Canada and/or the USA, G55 and Urwen? The copper-coloured coins (1p and 2p, and ha'pennies when I were a lass) are referred to as coppers.

You're close on the last clue, Huey. Note the 'almost.' The two words that form the clue are in the same semantic field, but in grammatical terms they don't mean exactly the same thing. They are from different word classes. EDIT: And because I'm feeling generous, OR is one of them.

Knock down my clues, indeed! How VERY dare they! :D

[Urwen]

The first I is Imladris (IRIS with M and LAD inside of it.)

[Pervinca Took]

TYRN GORTHAD: Thank you, nurse!’ (American text speak). Here, a twisting cave leads to the beginning of the underworld.
H: Nimble Field Marshal gains direction even as all becomes confused here.
ERESTOR: See him before the decay returns; a sibilant is swallowed.

F: Ask Debussy when it sounds like he sings. It might be after noon.
ERIADOR: Thingol’s land is transformed into another, as a fricative element gives way to hesitation in the general turmoil.
L: He’s a lover of confectionery, with only one small exception.
L: Food guilt? It’s confusing when someone lays that on you.
O: His table manners leave much to be desired.
WITHYWINDLE: Shrivel without hesitation, here in France? Decline, after first loss. But on it flows.
SILVERLODE: Fifty pence pieces can really weigh your pockets down, I hear! That considered, on it runs.
H: Here you’ll find a stove with tooth marks in it, they say!
IMLADRIS: Girl traps boy here. Mother too, initially, and first.
P: Here find oriental bread, lose two articles, and meet a physician.

O: Flatulent and sibilant children’s author? (Forget his surname). It's confusing, but perhaps he’s sampled this?
F: Spanish greeting for Balin’s directionless dad; despite the confusion, it’s not that far from where his son lies.

T: Charlatan of a professor – looks peaky after much confusion!
HALFAST: He’s semi-sedentary, with very minimal disturbance.
E: An eternally tough dancer, we hear.

RAUROS: Dark Lord changes direction as he tumbles here.
I: What Drogo might have yelled here, in 2980, had he been a Cockney?
NOB: Does he really ban the use of a certain plosive?
G: To a linguist’s mind, he seems almost to specialise in golden tautology.

[Urwen]

Second F is Fanuidhol (FUDIN+HOLA)

[Urwen]

The second I sounds like I DRANK, which gives us I DRANN.

[Pervinca Took]

TYRN GORTHAD: Thank you, nurse!’ (American text speak). Here, a twisting cave leads to the beginning of the underworld.
H: Nimble Field Marshal gains direction even as all becomes confused here.
ERESTOR: See him before the decay returns; a sibilant is swallowed.

F: Ask Debussy when it sounds like he sings. It might be after noon.
ERIADOR: Thingol’s land is transformed into another, as a fricative element gives way to hesitation in the general turmoil.
L: He’s a lover of confectionery, with only one small exception.
L: Food guilt? It’s confusing when someone lays that on you.
O: His table manners leave much to be desired.
WITHYWINDLE: Shrivel without hesitation, here in France? Decline, after first loss. But on it flows.
SILVERLODE: Fifty pence pieces can really weigh your pockets down, I hear! That considered, on it runs.
H: Here you’ll find a stove with tooth marks in it, they say!
IMLADRIS: Girl traps boy here. Mother too, initially, and first.
P: Here find oriental bread, lose two articles, and meet a physician.

O: Flatulent and sibilant children’s author? (Forget his surname). It's confusing, but perhaps he’s sampled this?
FANUIDHOL: Spanish greeting for Balin’s directionless dad; despite the confusion, it’s not that far from where his son lies.

T: Charlatan of a professor – looks peaky after much confusion!
HALFAST: He’s semi-sedentary, with very minimal disturbance.
E: An eternally tough dancer, we hear.

RAUROS: Dark Lord changes direction as he tumbles here.
I: What Drogo might have yelled here, in 2980, had he been a Cockney?
NOB: Does he really ban the use of a certain plosive?
G: To a linguist’s mind, he seems almost to specialise in golden tautology.

[Urwen]

The second I sounds like I DRANK, which gives us I DRANN.


?

[Pervinca Took]

TYRN GORTHAD: Thank you, nurse!’ (American text speak). Here, a twisting cave leads to the beginning of the underworld.
H: Nimble Field Marshal gains direction even as all becomes confused here.
ERESTOR: See him before the decay returns; a sibilant is swallowed.

F: Ask Debussy when it sounds like he sings. It might be after noon.
ERIADOR: Thingol’s land is transformed into another, as a fricative element gives way to hesitation in the general turmoil.
L: He’s a lover of confectionery, with only one small exception.
L: Food guilt? It’s confusing when someone lays that on you.
O: His table manners leave much to be desired.
WITHYWINDLE: Shrivel without hesitation, here in France? Decline, after first loss. But on it flows.
SILVERLODE: Fifty pence pieces can really weigh your pockets down, I hear! That considered, on it runs.
H: Here you’ll find a stove with tooth marks in it, they say!
IMLADRIS: Girl traps boy here. Mother too, initially, and first.
P: Here find oriental bread, lose two articles, and meet a physician.

O: Flatulent and sibilant children’s author? (Forget his surname). It's confusing, but perhaps he’s sampled this?
FANUIDHOL: Spanish greeting for Balin’s directionless dad; despite the confusion, it’s not that far from where his son lies.

T: Charlatan of a professor – looks peaky after much confusion!
HALFAST: He’s semi-sedentary, with very minimal disturbance.
E: An eternally tough dancer, we hear.

RAUROS: Dark Lord changes direction as he tumbles here.
I DRANN: What Drogo might have yelled here, in 2980, had he been a Cockney?
NOB: Does he really ban the use of a certain plosive?
G: To a linguist’s mind, he seems almost to specialise in golden tautology.

Cockneys do not drop their K's.

But they might pronounce DROWN as DRAAAAAAN.

Drogo drowned in 2980.

So, although the present continuous would have been a much more likely grammatical choice, he MIGHT, at a stretch, have wailed ' I DRAAAAAN!!!!'

Which SOUNDS rather like 'I Drann' LOOKS.

[Huinesoron]

G: GILD + OR?

('I draan'... good grief, Pervinca. :D)

hS

[Urwen]

Now, does the remaining E clue refer to a character or something else?


Also, I'd appreciate a hint or two.

[Huinesoron]

Why Prester John, Huey?

Forgot about this... because PRE+S+TOR hit my 'that looks like a name' button, and then I remembered where I recognised it from.

(Though honestly, 'lost eastern kingdom of Numenorean Faithful' doesn't sound too unlike something Tolkien would have come up with.)

P: PARATHA minus two As = PARTH, and I vaguely remember GALEN being a doctor, so PARTH GALEN? (Oh, right, Galen was the one who decided blood just sort of washed back and forth in the veins.)

hS

[Huinesoron]

Second H... sigh, again. Is it a HOB that someone BIT ON?

(HOBBITON)

hS

[Huinesoron]

First O: didn't ODO PROUDFOOT put the feet in question up on the table?

hS

[Pervinca Took]

TYRN GORTHAD: Thank you, nurse!’ (American text speak). Here, a twisting cave leads to the beginning of the underworld.
H: Nimble Field Marshal gains direction even as all becomes confused here.
ERESTOR: See him before the decay returns; a sibilant is swallowed.

F: Ask Debussy when it sounds like he sings. It might be after noon.
ERIADOR: Thingol’s land is transformed into another, as a fricative element gives way to hesitation in the general turmoil.
L: He’s a lover of confectionery, with only one small exception.
L: Food guilt? It’s confusing when someone lays that on you.
ODO PROUDFOOT: His table manners leave much to be desired.
WITHYWINDLE: Shrivel without hesitation, here in France? Decline, after first loss. But on it flows.
SILVERLODE: Fifty pence pieces can really weigh your pockets down, I hear! That considered, on it runs.
HOBBITON: Here you’ll find a stove with tooth marks in it, they say!
IMLADRIS: Girl traps boy here. Mother too, initially, and first.
PARTH GALEN: Here find oriental bread, lose two articles, and meet a physician.

O: Flatulent and sibilant children’s author? (Forget his surname). It's confusing, but perhaps he’s sampled this?
FANUIDHOL: Spanish greeting for Balin’s directionless dad; despite the confusion, it’s not that far from where his son lies.

T: Charlatan of a professor – looks peaky after much confusion!
HALFAST: He’s semi-sedentary, with very minimal disturbance.
E: An eternally tough dancer, we hear.

RAUROS: Dark Lord changes direction as he tumbles here.
I DRANN: What Drogo might have yelled here, in 2980, had he been a Cockney?
NOB: Does he really ban the use of a certain plosive?
GILDOR: To a linguist’s mind, he seems almost to specialise in golden tautology.

The clues are tumbling nicely at the moment, so I am not giving hints just yet.

Other than this: think of the instances where dancing happens in Tolkien's works. There aren't many. Not because it's an ascetic world. There just isn't that much dancing on a quest. (You already know which book it's in, so it shouldn't be that hard).

Huinesoron, I thought you'd like that one. :D (I DRANN).

I meant 'HOB BITTEN,' ... hence 'they say' for 'sounds like.' Didn't realise one could also masticate stoves in the Westfarthing with the correct letters!

I remember GALEN, and many other medical chaps, from the first unit in History O Level, many years ago: 'Medicine Through Time.'

Seven clues to go!

[Urwen]

Candy lover for first L?

[Urwen]

Regarding the dancer, there is dancing during Bilbo's party, but there were no people whose names begin with E there.

[Pervinca Took]

Regarding the dancer, there is dancing during Bilbo's party, but there were no people whose names begin with E there.

Yes there were.

...

For the L, you start with the candy to get to the person.

[Urwen]

Esmeralda, from EMERALD

[Pervinca Took]

Esmeralda, from EMERALD

Nope.

[Urwen]

So it's Everard (EVERHARD - H)

[Pervinca Took]

TYRN GORTHAD: Thank you, nurse!’ (American text speak). Here, a twisting cave leads to the beginning of the underworld.
H: Nimble Field Marshal gains direction even as all becomes confused here.
ERESTOR: See him before the decay returns; a sibilant is swallowed.

F: Ask Debussy when it sounds like he sings. It might be after noon.
ERIADOR: Thingol’s land is transformed into another, as a fricative element gives way to hesitation in the general turmoil.
L: He’s a lover of confectionery, with only one small exception.
L: Food guilt? It’s confusing when someone lays that on you.
ODO PROUDFOOT: His table manners leave much to be desired.
WITHYWINDLE: Shrivel without hesitation, here in France? Decline, after first loss. But on it flows.
SILVERLODE: Fifty pence pieces can really weigh your pockets down, I hear! That considered, on it runs.
HOBBITON: Here you’ll find a stove with tooth marks in it, they say!
IMLADRIS: Girl traps boy here. Mother too, initially, and first.
PARTH GALEN: Here find oriental bread, lose two articles, and meet a physician.

O: Flatulent and sibilant children’s author? (Forget his surname). It's confusing, but perhaps he’s sampled this?
FANUIDHOL: Spanish greeting for Balin’s directionless dad; despite the confusion, it’s not that far from where his son lies.

T: Charlatan of a professor – looks peaky after much confusion!
HALFAST: He’s semi-sedentary, with very minimal disturbance.
EVERARD (TOOK): An eternally tough dancer, we hear.

RAUROS: Dark Lord changes direction as he tumbles here.
I DRANN: What Drogo might have yelled here, in 2980, had he been a Cockney?
NOB: Does he really ban the use of a certain plosive?
GILDOR: To a linguist’s mind, he seems almost to specialise in golden tautology.

Six clues remaining.

[Urwen]

BURP + ROALD + S......


Can't see a Tolkien connection in there, though.

[Pervinca Took]

ROALD and S are correct.

Flatulence doesn't come out of your mouth! Well, not always.

[Urwen]

So ROALD + FARTING + S

[Pervinca Took]

So ROALD + FARTING + S

No, but it was worth it to make you type FARTING. :D

Whilst farting CAN play the role of an adjective, I'm looking for a different synonym of 'flatulent.'

[Urwen]

gassy?

[Pervinca Took]

Close.

[Urwen]

Windy?

[Pervinca Took]

Yes!

[Urwen]

ROALD + WINDY + S spells out OLD WINYARDS.

[Pervinca Took]

TYRN GORTHAD: Thank you, nurse!’ (American text speak). Here, a twisting cave leads to the beginning of the underworld.
H: Nimble Field Marshal gains direction even as all becomes confused here.
ERESTOR: See him before the decay returns; a sibilant is swallowed.

F: Ask Debussy when it sounds like he sings. It might be after noon.
ERIADOR: Thingol’s land is transformed into another, as a fricative element gives way to hesitation in the general turmoil.
L: He’s a lover of confectionery, with only one small exception.
L: Food guilt? It’s confusing when someone lays that on you.
ODO PROUDFOOT: His table manners leave much to be desired.
WITHYWINDLE: Shrivel without hesitation, here in France? Decline, after first loss. But on it flows.
SILVERLODE: Fifty pence pieces can really weigh your pockets down, I hear! That considered, on it runs.
HOBBITON: Here you’ll find a stove with tooth marks in it, they say!
IMLADRIS: Girl traps boy here. Mother too, initially, and first.
PARTH GALEN: Here find oriental bread, lose two articles, and meet a physician.

OLD WINYARDS: Flatulent and sibilant children’s author? (Forget his surname). It's confusing, but perhaps he’s sampled this?
FANUIDHOL: Spanish greeting for Balin’s directionless dad; despite the confusion, it’s not that far from where his son lies.

T: Charlatan of a professor – looks peaky after much confusion!
HALFAST: He’s semi-sedentary, with very minimal disturbance.
EVERARD (TOOK): An eternally tough dancer, we hear.

RAUROS: Dark Lord changes direction as he tumbles here.
I DRANN: What Drogo might have yelled here, in 2980, had he been a Cockney?
NOB: Does he really ban the use of a certain plosive?
GILDOR: To a linguist’s mind, he seems almost to specialise in golden tautology.

Five to go!

[Urwen]

I'm still confused about the candy? Is there a specific candy or just in general?

[Pervinca Took]

It's a make of confectionery. And you're looking for a character who is only mentioned in FOTR.

[Urwen]

Yeah, but there are lots of candies, like this list shows: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_candies



Which one?

[Pervinca Took]

Work backwards. Make a list of male characters beginning with L.

[Urwen]

I think it's Lindir, but I can't find the 'lover' or 'confectioner'.


Oh, wait, I could. L for LOVER + I for ONE + RIND (as in watermelon rind)

[Urwen]

Or it could be Lagduf, which is L from lover + FUDGE - E (for exception) + A (for one)

[Pervinca Took]

TYRN GORTHAD: Thank you, nurse!’ (American text speak). Here, a twisting cave leads to the beginning of the underworld.
H: Nimble Field Marshal gains direction even as all becomes confused here.
ERESTOR: See him before the decay returns; a sibilant is swallowed.

F: Ask Debussy when it sounds like he sings. It might be after noon.
ERIADOR: Thingol’s land is transformed into another, as a fricative element gives way to hesitation in the general turmoil.
LINDIR: Is he a lover of confectionery, with just one small exception?
L: Food guilt? It’s confusing when someone lays that on you.
ODO PROUDFOOT: His table manners leave much to be desired.
WITHYWINDLE: Shrivel without hesitation, here in France? Decline, after first loss. But on it flows.
SILVERLODE: Fifty pence pieces can really weigh your pockets down, I hear! That considered, on it runs.
HOBBITON: Here you’ll find a stove with tooth marks in it, they say!
IMLADRIS: Girl traps boy here. Mother too, initially, and first.
PARTH GALEN: Here find oriental bread, lose two articles, and meet a physician.

OLD WINYARDS: Flatulent and sibilant children’s author? (Forget his surname). It's confusing, but perhaps he’s sampled this?
FANUIDHOL: Spanish greeting for Balin’s directionless dad; despite the confusion, it’s not that far from where his son lies.

T: Charlatan of a professor – looks peaky after much confusion!
HALFAST: He’s semi-sedentary, with very minimal disturbance.
EVERARD (TOOK): An eternally tough dancer, we hear.

RAUROS: Dark Lord changes direction as he tumbles here.
I DRANN: What Drogo might have yelled here, in 2980, had he been a Cockney?
NOB: Does he really ban the use of a certain plosive?
GILDOR: To a linguist’s mind, he seems almost to specialise in golden tautology.

It's LINDOR with one letter changed. There was no 'lover' element, and I thought that when I last looked at the clue. I suppose I'd usually put a question mark, as if to say 'Does his name suggest he loves it?,' but with the clue starting with 'He's,' it looks like I didn't get round to it.

...

Have just edited the clue accordingly. Too late for the guessers, but I like my clues to make sense. Well, in the sense that cryptic clues make sense.

[Urwen]

Second L: GRUB+BLAME?

[Pervinca Took]

Blame is an element.

[Urwen]

Lembas is the first thing that comes to mind, but that wasn't in FOTR.

[Pervinca Took]

TYRN GORTHAD: Thank you, nurse!’ (American text speak). Here, a twisting cave leads to the beginning of the underworld.
H: Nimble Field Marshal gains direction even as all becomes confused here.
ERESTOR: See him before the decay returns; a sibilant is swallowed.

F: Ask Debussy when it sounds like he sings. It might be after noon.
ERIADOR: Thingol’s land is transformed into another, as a fricative element gives way to hesitation in the general turmoil.
LINDIR: Is he a lover of confectionery, with just one small exception?
LEMBAS: Food guilt? It’s confusing when someone lays that on you.
ODO PROUDFOOT: His table manners leave much to be desired.
WITHYWINDLE: Shrivel without hesitation, here in France? Decline, after first loss. But on it flows.
SILVERLODE: Fifty pence pieces can really weigh your pockets down, I hear! That considered, on it runs.
HOBBITON: Here you’ll find a stove with tooth marks in it, they say!
IMLADRIS: Girl traps boy here. Mother too, initially, and first.
PARTH GALEN: Here find oriental bread, lose two articles, and meet a physician.

OLD WINYARDS: Flatulent and sibilant children’s author? (Forget his surname). It's confusing, but perhaps he’s sampled this?
FANUIDHOL: Spanish greeting for Balin’s directionless dad; despite the confusion, it’s not that far from where his son lies.

T: Charlatan of a professor – looks peaky after much confusion!
HALFAST: He’s semi-sedentary, with very minimal disturbance.
EVERARD (TOOK): An eternally tough dancer, we hear.

RAUROS: Dark Lord changes direction as he tumbles here.
I DRANN: What Drogo might have yelled here, in 2980, had he been a Cockney?
NOB: Does he really ban the use of a certain plosive?
GILDOR: To a linguist’s mind, he seems almost to specialise in golden tautology.

Of course lembas was in FOTR. Where do you think they got it from? ;)

And it's an anagram of 'blames.'

[Urwen]

So the professor could either be Tolkien or Trunchbull, with the latter being a real charlatan of a professor.

[Pervinca Took]

Neither of those. Not a name of a professor.

[Urwen]

Teacher?

[Pervinca Took]

TYRN GORTHAD: Thank you, nurse!’ (American text speak). Here, a twisting cave leads to the beginning of the underworld.
H: Nimble Field Marshal gains direction even as all becomes confused here.
ERESTOR: See him before the decay returns; a sibilant is swallowed.

F: Ask Debussy when it sounds like he sings. It might be after noon.
ERIADOR: Thingol’s land is transformed into another, as a fricative element gives way to hesitation in the general turmoil.
LINDIR: Is he a lover of confectionery, with just one small exception?
LEMBAS: Food guilt? It’s confusing when someone lays that on you.
ODO PROUDFOOT: His table manners leave much to be desired.
WITHYWINDLE: Shrivel without hesitation, here in France? Decline, after first loss. But on it flows.
SILVERLODE: Fifty pence pieces can really weigh your pockets down, I hear! That considered, on it runs.
HOBBITON: Here you’ll find a stove with tooth marks in it, they say!
IMLADRIS: Girl traps boy here. Mother too, initially, and first.
PARTH GALEN: Here find oriental bread, lose two articles, and meet a physician.

OLD WINYARDS: Flatulent and sibilant children’s author? (Forget his surname). It's confusing, but perhaps he’s sampled this?
FANUIDHOL: Spanish greeting for Balin’s directionless dad; despite the confusion, it’s not that far from where his son lies.

T: Charlatan of a professor – looks peaky after much confusion!
HALFAST: He’s semi-sedentary, with very minimal disturbance.
EVERARD (TOOK): An eternally tough dancer, we hear.

RAUROS: Dark Lord changes direction as he tumbles here.
I DRANN: What Drogo might have yelled here, in 2980, had he been a Cockney?
NOB: Does he really ban the use of a certain plosive?
GILDOR: To a linguist’s mind, he seems almost to specialise in golden tautology.

No. A short word specifically used for a professor or academic.

[Urwen]

Prof? Or chair?

[Pervinca Took]

No. I'm sure you'll have seen it if you've ever read any books about Tolkien.

[Urwen]

Chair?

[Pervinca Took]

No.

The same word is used for a Mafia chief.

[Urwen]

Don?

[Pervinca Took]

That's the one.

[Urwen]

Is the clue referring to a character, on an object, or something else?

[Pervinca Took]

The straight part of the clue is in the second half.

[Urwen]

Oh.

[Urwen]

So it's a peak?

[Pervinca Took]

Yep.

[Urwen]

So Redhorn and Fanuidhol have 'don' in their names....

[Huinesoron]

How about TOL BRANDIR? Don + ...well, I don't know, but it does include 'don' and start with T.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

None of those.

What sort of a don would it be who was a charlatan? Who was only *pretending* to be a don?

It would be a ___________ don.

For the F clue, the answer is IN the title of the piece of music by Debussy that Huinesoron mentioned/found.

[Urwen]

False? Fake?

[Urwen]

And the F clue could be Fundin (Faune D'un)

[Pervinca Took]

No to both.

But you're right with 'Faune' ...

The big giveaway is that 'he sings.' :D

[Urwen]

Can't find a synonym for charlatan with T in it.

[Urwen]

Wait a minute.....your favorite character sings and his name begins with F.....

[Pervinca Took]

Ah, he does!

But he's not the answer.

The answer is someone probably known *first and foremost* for singing.

It's just a very rare name for him.

[Pervinca Took]

Can't find a synonym for charlatan with T in it.

Find a list of named mountain peaks and work backwards. Wikipedia should have one.

[Urwen]

It only has a list of mountains, not mountain peaks specifically.

[Urwen]

And Forn for F.

[Pervinca Took]

TYRN GORTHAD: Thank you, nurse!’ (American text speak). Here, a twisting cave leads to the beginning of the underworld.
H: Nimble Field Marshal gains direction even as all becomes confused here.
ERESTOR: See him before the decay returns; a sibilant is swallowed.

FORN: Ask Debussy when it sounds like he sings. It might be after noon.
ERIADOR: Thingol’s land is transformed into another, as a fricative element gives way to hesitation in the general turmoil.
LINDIR: Is he a lover of confectionery, with just one small exception?
LEMBAS: Food guilt? It’s confusing when someone lays that on you.
ODO PROUDFOOT: His table manners leave much to be desired.
WITHYWINDLE: Shrivel without hesitation, here in France? Decline, after first loss. But on it flows.
SILVERLODE: Fifty pence pieces can really weigh your pockets down, I hear! That considered, on it runs.
HOBBITON: Here you’ll find a stove with tooth marks in it, they say!
IMLADRIS: Girl traps boy here. Mother too, initially, and first.
PARTH GALEN: Here find oriental bread, lose two articles, and meet a physician.

OLD WINYARDS: Flatulent and sibilant children’s author? (Forget his surname). It's confusing, but perhaps he’s sampled this?
FANUIDHOL: Spanish greeting for Balin’s directionless dad; despite the confusion, it’s not that far from where his son lies.

T: Charlatan of a professor – looks peaky after much confusion!
HALFAST: He’s semi-sedentary, with very minimal disturbance.
EVERARD (TOOK): An eternally tough dancer, we hear.

RAUROS: Dark Lord changes direction as he tumbles here.
I DRANN: What Drogo might have yelled here, in 2980, had he been a Cockney?
NOB: Does he really ban the use of a certain plosive?
GILDOR: To a linguist’s mind, he seems almost to specialise in golden tautology.

FORN indeed. A rare name for Tom Bombadil.

Only H and T left.

EDIT: I've just realised that Huinesoron was *incredibly close* with Tol Brandir.

[Urwen]

It only has a list of mountains, not mountain peaks specifically.


Still relevant.

[Pervinca Took]

Well, so is the clue in my EDIT above.

[Urwen]

So Amon Hen or Amon Lhaw? None of them begins with T.


Tol Brandir is also called Tindrock, but once you remove don from that, the rest doesn't form any coherent word.

[Pervinca Took]

Of course it does.

It's an anagram of TRICK DON.

[Pervinca Took]

TYRN GORTHAD: Thank you, nurse!’ (American text speak). Here, a twisting cave leads to the beginning of the underworld.
H: Nimble Field Marshal gains direction even as all becomes confused here.
ERESTOR: See him before the decay returns; a sibilant is swallowed.

FORN: Ask Debussy when it sounds like he sings. It might be after noon.
ERIADOR: Thingol’s land is transformed into another, as a fricative element gives way to hesitation in the general turmoil.
LINDIR: Is he a lover of confectionery, with just one small exception?
LEMBAS: Food guilt? It’s confusing when someone lays that on you.
ODO PROUDFOOT: His table manners leave much to be desired.
WITHYWINDLE: Shrivel without hesitation, here in France? Decline, after first loss. But on it flows.
SILVERLODE: Fifty pence pieces can really weigh your pockets down, I hear! That considered, on it runs.
HOBBITON: Here you’ll find a stove with tooth marks in it, they say!
IMLADRIS: Girl traps boy here. Mother too, initially, and first.
PARTH GALEN: Here find oriental bread, lose two articles, and meet a physician.

OLD WINYARDS: Flatulent and sibilant children’s author? (Forget his surname). It's confusing, but perhaps he’s sampled this?
FANUIDHOL: Spanish greeting for Balin’s directionless dad; despite the confusion, it’s not that far from where his son lies.

TINDROCK: Charlatan of a professor – looks peaky after much confusion!
HALFAST: He’s semi-sedentary, with very minimal disturbance.
EVERARD (TOOK): An eternally tough dancer, we hear.

RAUROS: Dark Lord changes direction as he tumbles here.
I DRANN: What Drogo might have yelled here, in 2980, had he been a Cockney?
NOB: Does he really ban the use of a certain plosive?
GILDOR: To a linguist’s mind, he seems almost to specialise in golden tautology.

[Urwen]

Now H: Hitler?

[Pervinca Took]

No.

[Pervinca Took]

Try an earlier war.

[Urwen]

First World War, then?

[Pervinca Took]

Yes.

[Urwen]

Hindenburg?

[Pervinca Took]

Wrong country.

[Urwen]

Not from UK?

[Pervinca Took]

Yes, UK.

[Urwen]

There are many of those.

[Pervinca Took]

TYRN GORTHAD: Thank you, nurse!’ (American text speak). Here, a twisting cave leads to the beginning of the underworld.
H: Nimble Field Marshal gains direction even as all becomes confused here.
ERESTOR: See him before the decay returns; a sibilant is swallowed.

FORN: Ask Debussy when it sounds like he sings. It might be after noon.
ERIADOR: Thingol’s land is transformed into another, as a fricative element gives way to hesitation in the general turmoil.
LINDIR: Is he a lover of confectionery, with just one small exception?
LEMBAS: Food guilt? It’s confusing when someone lays that on you.
ODO PROUDFOOT: His table manners leave much to be desired.
WITHYWINDLE: Shrivel without hesitation, here in France? Decline, after first loss. But on it flows.
SILVERLODE: Fifty pence pieces can really weigh your pockets down, I hear! That considered, on it runs.
HOBBITON: Here you’ll find a stove with tooth marks in it, they say!
IMLADRIS: Girl traps boy here. Mother too, initially, and first.
PARTH GALEN: Here find oriental bread, lose two articles, and meet a physician.

OLD WINYARDS: Flatulent and sibilant children’s author? (Forget his surname). It's confusing, but perhaps he’s sampled this?
FANUIDHOL: Spanish greeting for Balin’s directionless dad; despite the confusion, it’s not that far from where his son lies.

TINDROCK: Charlatan of a professor – looks peaky after much confusion!
HALFAST: He’s semi-sedentary, with very minimal disturbance.
EVERARD (TOOK): An eternally tough dancer, we hear.

RAUROS: Dark Lord changes direction as he tumbles here.
I DRANN: What Drogo might have yelled here, in 2980, had he been a Cockney?
NOB: Does he really ban the use of a certain plosive?
GILDOR: To a linguist’s mind, he seems almost to specialise in golden tautology.

Well, if I google Field Marshal he comes up straight away. Maybe that's because I'm googling in the UK, but he was very famous. A little WWI research would quickly unearth him.

[Urwen]

Haig?

[Pervinca Took]

Haig it is.

(Not Hair, as Autocorrect thinks).

[Urwen]

It was right there in front of me all along and I couldn't see it....


Hithaeglir (HAIG+LITHE+R)

[Pervinca Took]

TYRN GORTHAD: Thank you, nurse!’ (American text speak). Here, a twisting cave leads to the beginning of the underworld.
HITHAEGLIR: Nimble Field Marshal gains direction even as all becomes confused here.
ERESTOR: See him before the decay returns; a sibilant is swallowed.

FORN: Ask Debussy when it sounds like he sings. It might be after noon.
ERIADOR: Thingol’s land is transformed into another, as a fricative element gives way to hesitation in the general turmoil.
LINDIR: Is he a lover of confectionery, with just one small exception?
LEMBAS: Food guilt? It’s confusing when someone lays that on you.
ODO PROUDFOOT: His table manners leave much to be desired.
WITHYWINDLE: Shrivel without hesitation, here in France? Decline, after first loss. But on it flows.
SILVERLODE: Fifty pence pieces can really weigh your pockets down, I hear! That considered, on it runs.
HOBBITON: Here you’ll find a stove with tooth marks in it, they say!
IMLADRIS: Girl traps boy here. Mother too, initially, and first.
PARTH GALEN: Here find oriental bread, lose two articles, and meet a physician.

OLD WINYARDS: Flatulent and sibilant children’s author? (Forget his surname). It's confusing, but perhaps he’s sampled this?
FANUIDHOL: Spanish greeting for Balin’s directionless dad; despite the confusion, it’s not that far from where his son lies.

TINDROCK: Charlatan of a professor – looks peaky after much confusion!
HALFAST: He’s semi-sedentary, with very minimal disturbance.
EVERARD (TOOK): An eternally tough dancer, we hear.

RAUROS: Dark Lord changes direction as he tumbles here.
I DRANN: What Drogo might have yelled here, in 2980, had he been a Cockney?
NOB: Does he really ban the use of a certain plosive?
GILDOR: To a linguist’s mind, he seems almost to specialise in golden tautology.

I thought I had used 'agile' as the synonym for 'nimble,' but you're right. It took me by surprise when you posted it, but yes, I must have used 'lithe.'

Well done. Over to you!

[Urwen]

Inspired by Pervinca's puzzle:


1. Initially, electronic area is here.
2. Bring over, in two directions. Confused? It's here.
3. Poisonous plant grows in clump here.
4. A mathematical term? Here?
5. Here is a country of endless sand hills.
6. He is a confused writer.
7. Hurry, an endless approval returns here.

[Galadriel55]

1. Ea

[Pervinca Took]

4. DUNLAND?

Dun(e) + land.

Maybe ERIADOR for the password?

7. RUSHEY, a village in the Eastfarthing?

Rush + ye(s) backwards.

...

As all but 6 seem to be places, maybe the theme is GEOGRAPHY and 6 is a cartographer - a writer of maps? ;)

2. RIVENDELL.

Deliver + N + L.

[Urwen]

Nope. Not cartographer, but Galadriel55 is close with Ea. The character in 6 is theorized to be Ea.

[Urwen]

I assumed you meant 5 for Dunland, not 4.

E: Initially, electronic area is here.
RIVENDELL: Bring over, in two directions. Confused? It's here.
I: Poisonous plant grows in clump here.
A: A mathematical term? Here?
DUNLAND: Here is a country of endless sand hills.
O: He is a confused writer.
RUSHEY: Hurry, an endless approval returns here.


For 1, 'initially' applies only to 'electronic' part....

[Pervinca Took]

1. EREGION

E + REGION for area.

I *loved* G55's answer, though!

[Urwen]

EREGION: Initially, electronic area is here.
RIVENDELL: Bring over, in two directions. Confused? It's here.
I: Poisonous plant grows in clump here.
A: A mathematical term? Here?
DUNLAND: Here is a country of endless sand hills.
O: He is a confused writer.
RUSHEY: Hurry, an endless approval returns here.

[Pervinca Took]

I'll try ANNUMINAS for A, but it only really accounts for A + MINUS. 'A new minus' seems to stretch the function of the question mark a bit too far.

And I want to try IVRIN for I, because it contains two-thirds of IVY, which I believe is poisonous. But everything else so far is Third Age, which gives me a second reason to believe I'm wrong.

[Pervinca Took]

Ah! Is O ORALD, another name for Tom Bombadil, who I think might be the spirit of Arda, or something? (It's also an anagram of ROALD).

Maybe IVY BUSH (the tavern) for I? A bush isn't really a clump, though ... and I guess there are hundreds of poisonous plants besides ivy.

[Pervinca Took]

Or is it IMLAD MORGUL, and does it simply have poisonous plants? Is this the place where there are flowers, beautiful and yet horrible of shape?

[Urwen]

EREGION: Initially, electronic area is here.
RIVENDELL: Bring over, in two directions. Confused? It's here.
IVY BUSH: Poisonous plant grows in clump here.
A: A mathematical term? Here?
DUNLAND: Here is a country of endless sand hills.
ORALD: He is a confused writer.
RUSHEY: Hurry, an endless approval returns here.

[Urwen]

Annuminas isn't in Eriador. ;)

[Pervinca Took]

I thought it was ... wasn't it a place of the Dunedain in Middle-earth? And possibly also a place in Numenor?

[Urwen]

Not the place I was thinking of.

[Urwen]

I am looking for a place which shares the whole name with a mathematical term, not just a part of a name.

It's listed here: http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Category:Eriador

under A.

[Pervinca Took]

Archet?

(Maybe it's a kind of arc?)

I'll check out your link ....

... ANGLE.

[Urwen]

EREGION: Initially, electronic area is here.
RIVENDELL: Bring over, in two directions. Confused? It's here.
IVY BUSH: Poisonous plant grows in clump here.
ANGLE: A mathematical term? Here?
DUNLAND: Here is a country of endless sand hills.
ORALD: He is a confused writer.
RUSHEY: Hurry, an endless approval returns here

Nicely done. Over to you.

[Pervinca Took]

I enjoyed that, Urwen. :)

Here's another one:

1. Here, a biblical fellow returns, to meet an archaic palindrome and a sibilant ocean.
2. Half German article and liquid marketing. For him.
3. Place of mirth ... but it's not unmixed.
4. Brag - dubiously, at first - but chaos ensues to expose him.
5. Seasoned sailors have more than one of these. But be that as it may, it's mangled to reveal these majestic creatures!
6. Not all of these are evil.
7. Does one hesitate to suggest a pub here?
8. She's inflamed - and troubled.
9. One must dress, groom, prepare? - put nails in order, certainly - for them.
10. Is David's foe around here?
11. Beat a Weasley? He's there - but discombobulated.
12. Group of sheaves disturbed by - or rather for - the first ones to kill.
13. They're beardless and bewildered.
14. A role reversed; an article swallowed; a girl revealed.
15. Merry and Pippin, in white satin? (For thus it sounds, in song).
16. A painter's choice - Rembrandt's, initially - and Goya's, finally - mingles to reveal him.
17. See this fearsome thing return, endlessly crazy, to endlessly deceive.
18. Aged apparatus collapses to reveal him.

[Urwen]

8. Rose (SORE)
10. Osgiliath (IS + GOLIATH)

[Urwen]

14. Elanor (ROLE backwards + AN)

[Pervinca Took]

1. Here, a biblical fellow returns, to meet an archaic palindrome and a sibilant ocean.
2. Half German article and liquid marketing. For him.
3. Place of mirth ... but it's not unmixed.
4. Brag - dubiously, at first - but chaos ensues to expose him.
5. Seasoned sailors have more than one of these. But be that as it may, it's mangled to reveal these majestic creatures!
6. Not all of these are evil.
7. Does one hesitate to suggest a pub here?
ROSE: She's inflamed - and troubled.
9. One must dress, groom, prepare? - put nails in order, certainly - for them.
OSGILIATH: Is David's foe around here?
11. Beat a Weasley? He's there - but discombobulated.
12. Group of sheaves disturbed by - or rather for - the first ones to kill.
13. They're beardless and bewildered.
ELANOR: A role reversed; an article swallowed; a girl revealed.
15. Merry and Pippin, in white satin? (For thus it sounds, in song).
16. A painter's choice - Rembrandt's, initially - and Goya's, finally - mingles to reveal him.
17. See this fearsome thing return, endlessly crazy, to endlessly deceive.
18. Aged apparatus collapses to reveal him.

[Urwen]

The Return of the King for the password?

[Pervinca Took]

T: Here, a biblical fellow returns, to meet an archaic palindrome and a sibilant ocean.
H: Half German article and liquid marketing. For him.
E: Place of mirth ... but it's not unmixed.

R: Brag - dubiously, at first - but chaos ensues to expose him.
E: Seasoned sailors have more than one of these. But be that as it may, it's mangled to reveal these majestic creatures!
T: Not all of these are evil.
U: Does one hesitate to suggest a pub here?
ROSE: She's inflamed - and troubled.
N: One must dress, groom, prepare? - put nails in order, certainly - for them.

OSGILIATH: Is David's foe around here?
F: Beat a Weasley? He's there - but discombobulated.

T: Group of sheaves disturbed by - or rather for - the first ones to kill.
H: They're beardless and bewildered.
ELANOR: A role reversed; an article swallowed; a girl revealed.

K: Merry and Pippin, in white satin? (For thus it sounds, in song).
I: A painter's choice - Rembrandt's, initially - and Goya's, finally - mingles to reveal him.
N: See this fearsome thing return, endlessly crazy, to endlessly deceive.
G: Aged apparatus collapses to reveal him.

[Galadriel55]

Umbar for U.

[Galadriel55]

K is... Knights?

[Pervinca Took]

T: Here, a biblical fellow returns, to meet an archaic palindrome and a sibilant ocean.
H: Half German article and liquid marketing. For him.
E: Place of mirth ... but it's not unmixed.

R: Brag - dubiously, at first, you hear - before chaos ensues to expose him.
E: Seasoned sailors have more than one of these. But be that as it may, it's mangled to reveal these majestic creatures!
T: Not all of these are evil.
UMBAR: Does one hesitate to suggest a pub here?
ROSE: She's inflamed - and troubled.
N: One must dress, groom, prepare? - put nails in order, certainly - for them.

OSGILIATH: Is David's foe around here?
F: Beat a Weasley? He's there - but discombobulated.

T: Group of sheaves disturbed by - or rather for - the first ones to kill.
H: They're beardless and bewildered.
ELANOR: A role reversed; an article swallowed; a girl revealed.

KNIGHTS: Merry and Pippin, in white satin? (For thus it sounds, in song).
I: A painter's choice - Rembrandt's, initially - and Goya's, finally - mingles to reveal him.
N: See this fearsome thing return, endlessly crazy, to endlessly deceive.
G: Aged apparatus collapses to reveal him.

[Urwen]

Havens for second H (from SHAVEN)

[Pervinca Took]

T: Here, a biblical fellow returns, to meet an archaic palindrome and a sibilant ocean.
H: Half German article and liquid marketing. For him.
E: Place of mirth ... but it's not unmixed.

R: Brag - dubiously, at first, you hear - before chaos ensues to expose him.
E: Seasoned sailors have more than one of these. But be that as it may, it's mangled to reveal these majestic creatures!
T: Not all of these are evil.
UMBAR: Does one hesitate to suggest a pub here?
ROSE: She's inflamed - and troubled.
N: One must dress, groom, prepare? - put nails in order, certainly - for them.

OSGILIATH: Is David's foe around here?
F: Beat a Weasley? He's there - but discombobulated.

T: Group of sheaves disturbed by - or rather for - the first ones to kill.
HAVENS: They're beardless and bewildered.
ELANOR: A role reversed; an article swallowed; a girl revealed.

KNIGHTS: Merry and Pippin, in white satin? (For thus it sounds, in song).
I: A painter's choice - Rembrandt's, initially - and Goya's, finally - mingles to reveal him.
N: See this fearsome thing return, endlessly crazy, to endlessly deceive.
G: Aged apparatus collapses to reveal him.

Well done! I thought that was a slightly sneaky clue.

[Huinesoron]

Second T: Not all TEARS are an evil.

Second E: A sailor has SEA LEGS, which in the singular becomes the majestic EAGLES.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

T: Here, a biblical fellow returns, to meet an archaic palindrome and a sibilant ocean.
H: Half German article and liquid marketing. For him.
E: Place of mirth ... but it's not unmixed.

R: Brag - dubiously, at first, you hear - before chaos ensues to expose him.
EAGLES: Seasoned sailors have more than one of these. But be that as it may, it's mangled to reveal these majestic creatures!
TEARS: Not all of these are evil.
UMBAR: Does one hesitate to suggest a pub here?
ROSE: She's inflamed - and troubled.
N: One must dress, groom, prepare? - put nails in order, certainly - for them.

OSGILIATH: Is David's foe around here?
F: Beat a Weasley? He's there - but discombobulated.

T: Group of sheaves slightly disturbed by - or rather for - the first ones to kill.
HAVENS: They're beardless and bewildered.
ELANOR: A role reversed; an article swallowed; a girl revealed.

KNIGHTS: Merry and Pippin, in white satin? (For thus it sounds, in song).
I: A painter's choice - Rembrandt's, initially - and Goya's, finally - mingles to reveal him.
N: See this fearsome thing return, endlessly crazy, to endlessly deceive.
G: Aged apparatus collapses to reveal him.

Sea legs indeed! I learned this term from watching The Onedin Line.

[Urwen]

Some hints please?

[Pervinca Took]

F: Choose a Weasley and find a synonym for 'beat.'

[Urwen]

I have a feeling that the 'Weasley' is Fred.

[Pervinca Took]

Not Fred.

[Urwen]

Well, I've seen all the available characters and the closest I could come up with are Forlong and Fredegar Bolger.

[Pervinca Took]

T: Here, a biblical fellow returns, to meet an archaic palindrome and a sibilant ocean.
H: Half German article and liquid marketing. For him.
E: Place of mirth ... but it's not unmixed.

R: Brag - dubiously, at first, you hear - before chaos ensues to expose him.
EAGLES: Seasoned sailors have more than one of these. But be that as it may, it's mangled to reveal these majestic creatures!
TEARS: Not all of these are evil.
UMBAR: Does one hesitate to suggest a pub here?
ROSE: She's inflamed - and troubled.
N: One must dress, groom, prepare? - put nails in order, certainly - for them.

OSGILIATH: Is David's foe around here?
FORLONG: Beat a Weasley? He's there - but discombobulated.

T: Group of sheaves slightly disturbed by - or rather for - the first ones to kill.
HAVENS: They're beardless and bewildered.
ELANOR: A role reversed; an article swallowed; a girl revealed.

KNIGHTS: Merry and Pippin, in white satin? (For thus it sounds, in song).
I: A painter's choice - Rembrandt's, initially - and Goya's, finally - mingles to reveal him.
N: See this fearsome thing return, endlessly crazy, to endlessly deceive.
G: Aged apparatus collapses to reveal him.

Usually it will be one of the shortest of the available options, (in this case, Weasleys), won't it? Because they're generally easier to mix with other elements to form anagrams.

FLOG + RON = FORLONG.

[Pervinca Took]

First E: just find a synonym of cheer, and anagrammise it to get a place.

[Urwen]

Joy, gladness, glee

[Urwen]

Or maybe ERECH (from cheer itself)

[Pervinca Took]

T: Here, a biblical fellow returns, to meet an archaic palindrome and a sibilant ocean.
H: Half German article and liquid marketing. For him.
ERECH: Place of mirth ... but it's not unmixed.

R: Brag - dubiously, at first, you hear - before chaos ensues to expose him.
EAGLES: Seasoned sailors have more than one of these. But be that as it may, it's mangled to reveal these majestic creatures!
TEARS: Not all of these are evil.
UMBAR: Does one hesitate to suggest a pub here?
ROSE: She's inflamed - and troubled.
N: One must dress, groom, prepare? - put nails in order, certainly - for them.

OSGILIATH: Is David's foe around here?
FORLONG: Beat a Weasley? He's there - but discombobulated.

T: Group of sheaves slightly disturbed by - or rather for - the first ones to kill.
HAVENS: They're beardless and bewildered.
ELANOR: A role reversed; an article swallowed; a girl revealed.

KNIGHTS: Merry and Pippin, in white satin? (For thus it sounds, in song).
I: A painter's choice - Rembrandt's, initially - and Goya's, finally - mingles to reveal him.
N: See this fearsome thing return, endlessly crazy, to endlessly deceive.
G: Aged apparatus collapses to reveal him.

Can't believe I did that! ;) I meant to type 'synonym of mirth.' ;)

Now. Look up a word for a group of sheaves.

CLUESES, PRECIOUS (because I'm feeling Christmassy and generous):-

1. Two and a third of the remaining clues are from 'The Grey Havens' (because there's one that applies to this chapter but also to two others).

2. One comes from the same chapter as ERECH.

3. One is from 'The Scouring Of The Shire.'

4. One is from one of the 'Mordor' chapters.

5. One is from a Gondor chapter.

6. And one appears in quite a few places.

[Urwen]

TOOKS? (From STOOK)

[Pervinca Took]

T: Here, a biblical fellow returns, to meet an archaic palindrome and a sibilant ocean.
H: Half German article and liquid marketing. For him.
ERECH: Place of mirth ... but it's not unmixed.

R: Brag - dubiously, at first, you hear - before chaos ensues to expose him.
EAGLES: Seasoned sailors have more than one of these. But be that as it may, it's mangled to reveal these majestic creatures!
TEARS: Not all of these are evil.
UMBAR: Does one hesitate to suggest a pub here?
ROSE: She's inflamed - and troubled.
N: One must dress, groom, prepare? - put nails in order, certainly - for them.

OSGILIATH: Is David's foe around here?
FORLONG: Beat a Weasley? He's there - but discombobulated.

TOOKS: Group of sheaves slightly disturbed by - or rather for - the first ones to kill.
HAVENS: They're beardless and bewildered.
ELANOR: A role reversed; an article swallowed; a girl revealed.

KNIGHTS: Merry and Pippin, in white satin? (For thus it sounds, in song).
I: A painter's choice - Rembrandt's, initially - and Goya's, finally - mingles to reveal him.
N: See this fearsome thing return, endlessly crazy, to endlessly deceive.
G: Aged apparatus collapses to reveal him.

CLUESES, PRECIOUS (because I'm feeling Christmassy and generous):-

1. Two and a third of the remaining clues are from 'The Grey Havens' (because there's one that applies to this chapter but also to two others).

2. One comes from the same chapter as Erech.

3. One is from one of the 'Mordor' chapters.

4. One is from a Gondor chapter.

5. And one appears in quite a few places.

[Urwen]

Old+Gear.....

[Pervinca Took]

Yes to OLD; no to gear.

[Urwen]

Gildor? (OLD+RIG)

[Pervinca Took]

T: Here, a biblical fellow returns, to meet an archaic palindrome and a sibilant ocean.
H: Half German article and liquid marketing. For him.
ERECH: Place of mirth ... but it's not unmixed.

R: Brag - dubiously, at first, you hear - before chaos ensues to expose him.
EAGLES: Seasoned sailors have more than one of these. But be that as it may, it's mangled to reveal these majestic creatures!
TEARS: Not all of these are evil.
UMBAR: Does one hesitate to suggest a pub here?
ROSE: She's inflamed - and troubled.
N: One must dress, groom, prepare? - put nails in order, certainly - for them.

OSGILIATH: Is David's foe around here?
FORLONG: Beat a Weasley? He's there - but discombobulated.

TOOKS: Group of sheaves slightly disturbed by - or rather for - the first ones to kill.
HAVENS: They're beardless and bewildered.
ELANOR: A role reversed; an article swallowed; a girl revealed.

KNIGHTS: Merry and Pippin, in white satin? (For thus it sounds, in song).
I: A painter's choice - Rembrandt's, initially - and Goya's, finally - mingles to reveal him.
N: See this fearsome thing return, endlessly crazy, to endlessly deceive.
GILDOR: Aged apparatus collapses to reveal him.

CLUESES, PRECIOUS (because I'm feeling Christmassy and generous):-

1. One and a third of the remaining clues are from 'The Grey Havens' (because there's one that applies to this chapter but also to two others).

2. One comes from the same chapter as Erech.

3. One is from one of the 'Mordor' chapters.

4. One is from a Gondor chapter.

5. And one appears in quite a few places.

...

Yes indeed! He appears once more in the final ride to the Grey Havens.

[Urwen]

First T is Tol Eressea (LOT backwards + ERE + S + SEA)

[Urwen]

And for the remaining R, is Radbug (BRAG + D + U)

[Pervinca Took]

TOL ERESSEA: Here, a biblical fellow returns, to meet an archaic palindrome and a sibilant ocean.
H: Half German article and liquid marketing. For him.
ERECH: Place of mirth ... but it's not unmixed.

RADBUG: Brag - dubiously, at first, you hear - before chaos ensues to expose him.
EAGLES: Seasoned sailors have more than one of these. But be that as it may, it's mangled to reveal these majestic creatures!
TEARS: Not all of these are evil.
UMBAR: Does one hesitate to suggest a pub here?
ROSE: She's inflamed - and troubled.
N: One must dress, groom, prepare? - put nails in order, certainly - for them.

OSGILIATH: Is David's foe around here?
FORLONG: Beat a Weasley? He's there - but discombobulated.

TOOKS: Group of sheaves slightly disturbed by - or rather for - the first ones to kill.
HAVENS: They're beardless and bewildered.
ELANOR: A role reversed; an article swallowed; a girl revealed.

KNIGHTS: Merry and Pippin, in white satin? (For thus it sounds, in song).
I: A painter's choice - Rembrandt's, initially - and Goya's, finally - mingles to reveal him.
N: See this fearsome thing return, endlessly crazy, to endlessly deceive.
GILDOR: Aged apparatus collapses to reveal him.

Indeed, because Frodo sees Tol Eressea from the ship and we are told of white shores and a far green country.

Four to go! :)

[Urwen]

I might be Imrahil.....

[Pervinca Took]

Nope.

What's your reasoning?

[Urwen]

Maria is Rembrandt's painting, and Imrahil has almost all letters of that.

[Pervinca Took]

Look carefully at what the clue is asking you to take from Rembrandt and Goya.

And what sorts of things does an artist have to choose?

[Urwen]

Oh. Iorlas then.