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[Urwen]

Urwen, I have tried the others and couldn't solve them. I guessed Sauron/Celebrimbor, then deleted my post because Huey had answered correctly 2 minutes earlier. I don't know why his previous posts weren't showing when I posted that.

Can't get 9 without scrambling. Am I right?


Actually, you can. You can substitute the nasal and vowel bit for a solfeggio note and get the same result.

[Pervinca Took]

9. MIAULE.

Tevildo's cook.

Password: SLAVES OF MORGOTH?

13. ORCS, from arcs?

12. GOTHMOG? MOTH + GO + G.

6. SHADES?

[Urwen]

No to the password and Shades (though you're on right track with the password).

[Urwen]

1. An article, a broken container, a delay, and a preposition come together for him.
LORGAN: A direction precedes a musical instrument for him.
3. Headless argot and a preposition form him.
4. A preposition, a verb, and two directions form them.
5. A holiday and headless throws form them.
6. They're ghosts of unlight.
ORCOBAL: Reversed chromium is within a confused Disney bear. There he is.
FANKIL: An admirer. A murderer, cut in half? That's him.
MIAULE: A bilabial nasal, a vowel and a Vala make him up.
10. A heated metal stick is warped. He is revealed.
RING-MAKER: He is a band creator.
GOTHMOG: An insect, a verb and a note spin in circles for him.
ORCS: Centers are muddled and vowel-less. They appear.
14. Twisted sword handle meets little mother; a robot with two directions moves in circles; there they are.
CARCHAROTH: A medieval vehicle, a modern vehicle, to stop, are in a muddle for him.

[Pervinca Took]

Allies of Morgoth?

[Pervinca Took]

3. LANGON, servant of Melko.

(S)LANG + ON.

[Urwen]

A: An article, a broken container, a delay, and a preposition come together for him.
LORGAN: A direction precedes a musical instrument for him.
LANGON: Headless argot and a preposition form him.
I: A preposition, a verb, and two directions form them.
E: A holiday and headless throws form them.
S: They're ghosts of unlight.

ORCOBAL: Reversed chromium is within a confused Disney bear. There he is.
FANKIL: An admirer. A murderer, cut in half? That's him.

MIAULE: A bilabial nasal, a vowel and a Vala make him up.
O: A heated metal stick is warped. He is revealed.
RING-MAKER: He is a band creator.
GOTHMOG: An insect, a verb and a note spin in circles for him.
ORCS: Centers are muddled and vowel-less. They appear.
T: Twisted sword handle meets little mother; a robot with two directions moves in circles; there they are.
CARCHAROTH: A medieval vehicle, a modern vehicle, to stop, are in a muddle for him.

[Pervinca Took]

5. Easter(s)lings.

(And LANGON for 3).

[Urwen]

A: An article, a broken container, a delay, and a preposition come together for him.
LORGAN: A direction precedes a musical instrument for him.
LANGON: Headless argot and a preposition form him.
I: A preposition, a verb, and two directions form them.
EASTERLINGS: A holiday and headless throws form them.
S: They're ghosts of unlight.

ORCOBAL: Reversed chromium is within a confused Disney bear. There he is.
FANKIL: An admirer. A murderer, cut in half? That's him.

MIAULE: A bilabial nasal, a vowel and a Vala make him up.
O: A heated metal stick is warped. He is revealed.
RING-MAKER: He is a band creator.
GOTHMOG: An insect, a verb and a note spin in circles for him.
ORCS: Centers are muddled and vowel-less. They appear.
T: Twisted sword handle meets little mother; a robot with two directions moves in circles; there they are.
CARCHAROTH: A medieval vehicle, a modern vehicle, to stop, are in a muddle for him.

[Pervinca Took]

I = incomers?

[Urwen]

You're really good at dismantling these...

A: An article, a broken container, a delay, and a preposition come together for him.
LORGAN: A direction precedes a musical instrument for him.
LANGON: Headless argot and a preposition form him.
INCOMERS: A preposition, a verb, and two directions form them.
EASTERLINGS: A holiday and headless throws form them.
S: They're ghosts of unlight.

ORCOBAL: Reversed chromium is within a confused Disney bear. There he is.
FANKIL: An admirer. A murderer, cut in half? That's him.

MIAULE: A bilabial nasal, a vowel and a Vala make him up.
O: A heated metal stick is warped. He is revealed.
RING-MAKER: He is a band creator.
GOTHMOG: An insect, a verb and a note spin in circles for him.
ORCS: Centers are muddled and vowel-less. They appear.
T: Twisted sword handle meets little mother; a robot with two directions moves in circles; there they are.
CARCHAROTH: A medieval vehicle, a modern vehicle, to stop, are in a muddle for him.

[Pervinca Took]

Tolkien Gateway helped me once I'd guessed some of the elements. I'm not that good at First Age stuff, though ... well, First Age villains, at any rate.

[Urwen]

Try using this page for the rest: http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Category:Servants_of_Melkor

It lists all of them, believe me.

[Pervinca Took]

Orthrod, from hot rod.

[Pervinca Took]

An + ca(n) + lag + on = Ancalagon.

S = Spirits of Shadows?

[Urwen]

ANCALAGON: An article, a broken container, a delay, and a preposition come together for him.
LORGAN: A direction precedes a musical instrument for him.
LANGON: Headless argot and a preposition form him.
INCOMERS: A preposition, a verb, and two directions form them.
EASTERLINGS: A holiday and headless throws form them.
SPIRITS OF SHADOWS: They're ghosts of unlight.

ORCOBAL: Reversed chromium is within a confused Disney bear. There he is.
FANKIL: An admirer. A murderer, cut in half? That's him.

MIAULE: A bilabial nasal, a vowel and a Vala make him up.
OTHROD: A heated metal stick is warped. He is revealed.
RING-MAKER: He is a band creator.
GOTHMOG: An insect, a verb and a note spin in circles for him.
ORCS: Centers are muddled and vowel-less. They appear.
T: Twisted sword handle meets little mother; a robot with two directions moves in circles; there they are.
CARCHAROTH: A medieval vehicle, a modern vehicle, to stop, are in a muddle for him.

One to go!

You left the best one for last. :D

[Pervinca Took]

Thuringwethil has HILT. But it isn't plural.

Maybe the answer is some kind of TROLLS, but I can't fit MA into a kind of troll, (or Thuringwethil), or anything else signifying a little mother.

[Urwen]

Thuringwethil has HILT. But it isn't plural.

Maybe the answer is some kind of TROLLS, but I can't fit MA into a kind of troll, (or Thuringwethil), or anything else signifying a little mother.

It doesn't have to be plural...

Check that page again...

I believe Huey could guess the last one easily, though.

If you're really stuck, I can provide you with a small hint...

[Pervinca Took]

No other T's on the page except Tevildo.

[Urwen]

There is, but it's hidden. Let's just say some of the entries on that page, have other names, which you'll find with reading the remaining links on that page. One of those other names begins with T.

[Urwen]

Additional hint [only open if you're really stuck]: The answer is a group of people whose leader you're looking at in this very moment.

[Pervinca Took]

Thlim Doldrin? From the House of the Mole?

HILT M(A) DROID L N

[Galadriel55]

9. MIAULE.

Tevildo's cook.

Telvido had a cook??? O.o And of course his name would be Meowly. :rolleyes:

[Urwen]

Thlim Doldrin? From the House of the Mole?

HILT M(A) DROID L N

Wait, from? And here I thought they were one and the same. Guess not, then.

[Urwen]

ANCALAGON: An article, a broken container, a delay, and a preposition come together for him.
LORGAN: A direction precedes a musical instrument for him.
LANGON: Headless argot and a preposition form him.
INCOMERS: A preposition, a verb, and two directions form them.
EASTERLINGS: A holiday and headless throws form them.
SPIRITS OF SHADOWS: They're ghosts of unlight.

ORCOBAL: Reversed chromium is within a confused Disney bear. There he is.
FANKIL: An admirer. A murderer, cut in half? That's him.

MIAULE: A bilabial nasal, a vowel and a Vala make him up.
OTHROD: A heated metal stick is warped. He is revealed.
RING-MAKER: He is a band creator.
GOTHMOG: An insect, a verb and a note spin in circles for him.
ORCS: Centers are muddled and vowel-less. They appear.
THLIM DOLDRIN: Twisted sword handle meets little mother; a robot with two directions moves in circles; there they are.
CARCHAROTH: A medieval vehicle, a modern vehicle, to stop, are in a muddle for him.

Either way, over to you, and I bid you good night.

[Pervinca Took]

That was a very good password, Urwen. :)

1. Relief for flatulence? Mix it first, if you want to see her!
2. She mixes a spinning circle and a lair.
3. Number is slightly shaken, but does not apply for her.
4. Vend and eat, she says.
5. Madcap prince meets an old character, and she appears.
6. I am both objective and mirrored. And angered and confused. As she will attest.
7. Hautboys, note, mingle for her, losing nothing but gaining direction.

[Pervinca Took]

Wait, from? And here I thought they were one and the same. Guess not, then.

I'm sure you're right, not me. You're the House of the Mole expert!

[Urwen]

5. Haleth (HAL+ETH)

[Pervinca Took]

1. Relief for flatulence? Mix it first, if you want to see her!
2. She mixes a spinning circle and a lair.
3. Number is slightly shaken, but does not apply for her.
4. Vend and eat, she says.
HALETH: Madcap prince meets an old character, and she appears.
6. I am both objective and mirrored. And angered and confused. As she will attest.
7. Hautboys, note, mingle for her, losing nothing but gaining direction.

Correct!

[Urwen]

6. Isilme?

[Pervinca Took]

6. Isilme?

Not Isilme. Look at the order the elements come in.

[Pervinca Took]

For the new page:

1. Relief for flatulence? Mix it first, if you want to see her!
2. She mixes a spinning circle and a lair.
3. Number is slightly shaken, but does not apply for her.
4. Vend and eat, she says.
HALETH: Madcap prince meets an old character, and she appears.
6. I am both objective and mirrored. And angered and confused. As she will attest.
7. Hautboys, note, mingle for her, losing nothing but gaining direction.

[Urwen]

Si+Me+???

[Pervinca Took]

ME is right. SI isn't. You need a word for angered.

[Urwen]

Irime?

[Pervinca Took]

Sorry. ME is a correct element, but you need to do something with it.

IRI is not a correct element.

[Urwen]

ME when mirrored becomes EM.

Emeldir? (EM+IRED+L)

[Pervinca Took]

1. Relief for flatulence? Mix it first, if you want to see her!
2. She mixes a spinning circle and a lair.
3. Number is slightly shaken, but does not apply for her.
4. Vend and eat, she says.
HALETH: Madcap prince meets an old character, and she appears.
EMELDIR: I am both objective and mirrored. And angered and confused. As she will attest.
7. Hautboys, note, mingle for her, losing nothing but gaining direction.

ME + RILED.

[Galadriel55]

7. SHELOB? OBOES + H (note) + L (direction) - O (nothing).

WENCHES for password?

[Pervinca Took]

W Relief for flatulence? Mix it first, if you want to see her!
E She mixes a spinning circle and a lair.
N Number is slightly shaken, but does not apply for her.
C Vend and eat, she says.
HALETH: Madcap prince meets an old character, and she appears.
EMELDIR: I am both objective and mirrored. And angered and confused. As she will attest.
SHELOB: Hautboys, note, mingle for her, losing nothing but gaining direction.

Indeed!

[Huinesoron]

C: I was pondering the various Sindarin names beginning with 'Sell' - er, I mean, 'Cel' - but stopped when I remembered the hard C.

I should have thought further. Sell-an'-Dine, or rather, CELANDINE BRANDYBUCK?

hS

[Pervinca Took]

W Relief for flatulence? Mix it first, if you want to see her!
E She mixes a spinning circle and a lair.
N Number is slightly shaken, but does not apply for her.
CELANDINE: Vend and eat, she says.
HALETH: Madcap prince meets an old character, and she appears.
EMELDIR: I am both objective and mirrored. And angered and confused. As she will attest.
SHELOB: Hautboys, note, mingle for her, losing nothing but gaining direction.

That's the girl!

[Galadriel55]

NIENNA for N - NINE + N/A

[Pervinca Took]

W Relief for flatulence? Mix it first, if you want to see her!
E She mixes a spinning circle and a lair.
NIENNA: Number is slightly shaken, but does not apply for her.
CELANDINE: Vend and eat, she says.
HALETH: Madcap prince meets an old character, and she appears.
EMELDIR: I am both objective and mirrored. And angered and confused. As she will attest.
SHELOB: Hautboys, note, mingle for her, losing nothing but gaining direction.

Correct!

[Urwen]

2. Eledhwen (DEN+WHEEL)

[Urwen]

1. Widow Rumble?

[Pervinca Took]

W Relief for flatulence? Mix it first, if you want to see her!
ELEDHWEN: She mixes a spinning circle and a lair.
NIENNA: Number is slightly shaken, but does not apply for her.
CELANDINE: Vend and eat, she says.
HALETH: Madcap prince meets an old character, and she appears.
EMELDIR: I am both objective and mirrored. And angered and confused. As she will attest.
SHELOB: Hautboys, note, mingle for her, losing nothing but gaining direction.

Not Widow Rumble, though a good idea. ;)

The answer is a name made from two cryptic elements.

[Urwen]

There is no first name beginning with letter W other than her...

[Huinesoron]

There is no first name beginning with letter W other than her...

I mean, that's clearly not true*, because the clue is there. :D I looked at Windfola, but apparently Eowyn's horse is male. I think Wind as the first cryptic element is probably a good bet.

*Edit: Although it could be a surname or epesse; or have they been ruled out?

(Nor is 'Widow' a first name... :D)

hS

[Huinesoron]

Melian was at one point called WENDELIN, which could be a hearalike for "Wind dealing [with]". And amusingly Morwen attracted the nickname Witchwife (https://www.glyphweb.com/arda/w/witchwife.html), which sadly I don't think can fit.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Not Wendelin or any of the above.

WIND is a correct element, but there is another element, and you have to mix the two of them.

What's another word for relief?

[Urwen]

Ease?

[Pervinca Took]

Something you'd apply to an affliction for relief/ease.

[Urwen]

Cure?

[Pervinca Took]

The stuff you might apply.

(It wouldn't actually cure wind, I don't think). ;)

[Urwen]

Gel?

[Urwen]

Salve?

[Pervinca Took]

Nope.

[Urwen]

Then what is it?

[Urwen]

Ointment? Cream?

[Pervinca Took]

No. Close. Something that soothes.

Lip _________

[Huinesoron]

No. Close. Something that soothes.

Lip _________

Balm, usually. Anagrams of Windbalm, then.

...

WANDLIMB.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

WANDLIMB: Relief for flatulence? Mix it first, if you want to see her!
ELEDHWEN: She mixes a spinning circle and a lair.
NIENNA: Number is slightly shaken, but does not apply for her.
CELANDINE: Vend and eat, she says.
HALETH: Madcap prince meets an old character, and she appears.
EMELDIR: I am both objective and mirrored. And angered and confused. As she will attest.
SHELOB: Hautboys, note, mingle for her, losing nothing but gaining direction.

And that's the set! Well done, all.

And over to Galadriel!

[Galadriel55]

Thank you! That was a nice set of wenches, spanning all sorts of texts and Ages.



1. Violet dwarf retreats from rooster’s call in the north - aye, in the north.
2. In sonars, ill-advised choice of weapon.
3. Angry, yes for one short street it would cut anything.
4. Adorn yourself with glamour, one for naught and all around, with a grain (or half) of salt.
5. Round nearly a Numenorian’s legume.
6. Without his bundle, Elvis Presley can see quite far.
7. “I can stow!” - or so they said in the north-eastern parts.
8. Spam the right god with chaos, and it will show you the way.
9. An organ and a horse, at sea and afloat.

[Pervinca Took]

I will guess EARENDIL for 9. It has EAR and he is kind of at sea and afloat.

No horse element, though - except Vingilot as a metaphor - but the clue seems to suggest an actual word element meaning horse.

[Galadriel55]

I will guess EARENDIL for 9. It has EAR and he is kind of at sea and afloat.

No horse element, though - except Vingilot as a metaphor - but the clue seems to suggest an actual word element meaning horse.

"Ear" is correct, but you need the horse element for the rest of the word. What are some synonyms for "horse"?

[Pervinca Took]

Earrame (mare?)

[Galadriel55]

Earrame (mare?)

Indeed! Ear and mare, at sea (=confused) and floating.



1. Violet dwarf retreats from rooster’s call in the north - aye, in the north.
2. In sonars, ill-advised choice of weapon.
3. Angry, yes for one short street it would cut anything.
4. Adorn yourself with glamour, one for naught and all around, with a grain (or half) of salt.
5. Round nearly a Numenorian’s legume.
6. Without his bundle, Elvis Presley can see quite far.
7. “I can stow!” - or so they said in the north-eastern parts.
8. Spam the right god with chaos, and it will show you the way.
9. EARRAME: An organ and a horse, at sea and afloat.

[Pervinca Took]

Wondering if 3 is either DIAMOND or ADAMANT, which will both cut anything and which both contain MAD.

...

DIAMOND has MAD, I (AYE = YES) and a short version of ONE. Street? Is there a Diamond Street in Valinor, perhaps? ;)

[Galadriel55]

Wondering if 3 is either DIAMOND or ADAMANT, which will both cut anything and which both contain MAD.

...

DIAMOND has MAD, I (AYE = YES) and a short version of ONE. Street? Is there a Diamond Street in Valinor, perhaps? ;)

"Mad" is not the right element. In fact, you're taking extra steps here.

"Street", however, is - and you need this element to complete the word.

[Pervinca Took]

St-ing?

[Galadriel55]

St-ing?

Correct for ST. But "ing" is not "angry"... :)

[Pervinca Took]

Correct for ST. But "ing" is not "angry"... :)

Neither is ORCRI. ;)

It's nearly CROSS, though.

ORCRIST?

Not that goblins are 'everything.' ;)

[Pervinca Took]

Indeed! Ear and mare, at sea (=confused) and floating.



1. Violet dwarf retreats from rooster’s call in the north - aye, in the north.
2. In sonars, ill-advised choice of weapon.
3. Angry, yes for one short street it would cut anything.
4. Adorn yourself with glamour, one for naught and all around, with a grain (or half) of salt.
5. Round nearly a Numenorian’s legume.
6. Without his bundle, Elvis Presley can see quite far.
7. “I can stow!” - or so they said in the north-eastern parts.
8. Spam the right god with chaos, and it will show you the way.
9. EARRAME: An organ and a horse, at sea and afloat.

New page.

[Urwen]

5 could be NAVY.

[Galadriel55]

Neither is ORCRI. ;)

It's nearly CROSS, though.

ORCRIST?

Not that goblins are 'everything.' ;)

Oh come on, you are so close! Orcrist is not the only thing of its kind to end on -ST though... *hint hint* You keep overdoing one of the elements, it's more simple...


5 is not NAVY, and I am note sure how you got there so I can't be more specific... But will say it's not anywhere close.



1. Violet dwarf retreats from rooster’s call in the north - aye, in the north.
2. In sonars, ill-advised choice of weapon.
3. Angry, yes for one short street it would cut anything.
4. Adorn yourself with glamour, one for naught and all around, with a grain (or half) of salt.
5. Round nearly a Numenorian’s legume.
6. Without his bundle, Elvis Presley can see quite far.
7. “I can stow!” - or so they said in the north-eastern parts.
8. Spam the right god with chaos, and it will show you the way.
9. EARRAME: An organ and a horse, at sea and afloat.[/QUOTE]

[Urwen]

Navy bean. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navy_bean)

[Urwen]

3 is Angryst...or Angrist...

[Pervinca Took]

3 is Angryst...or Angrist...

You see, I'm pants at anything pre-Third Age. One of the reasons I love the First Age so much is because there is still so much in it for me to get my head round, as used to be the case with LOTR, long years ago. The flip-side of the coin is that I am not very good at solving clues on it.

[Galadriel55]

Aye.




1. Violet dwarf retreats from rooster’s call in the north - aye, in the north.
2. In sonars, ill-advised choice of weapon.
3. ANGRIST: Angry, yes for one short street it would cut anything.
4. Adorn yourself with glamour, one for naught and all around, with a grain (or half) of salt.
5. Round nearly a Numenorian’s legume.
6. Without his bundle, Elvis Presley can see quite far.
7. “I can stow!” - or so they said in the north-eastern parts.
8. Spam the right god with chaos, and it will show you the way.
9. EARRAME: An organ and a horse, at sea and afloat.[/QUOTE]

[Pervinca Took]

5. Elendil, a lentil. :D

[Galadriel55]

5. Elendil, a lentil. :D

No, but that's the spirit. :D You're looking for two separate words (ie the legume is not the Numenorian himself).

[Pervinca Took]

Tamarind is a legume.

Is there a Tar-Manid or a Tar-Damin? ;)

Most legumes I can find are kinds of beans or peas, none of which appear to unscramble and produce a Numenorean.

[Urwen]

Piggybacking on that, Tar-Amandil?

[Pervinca Took]

No, but that's the spirit. :D You're looking for two separate words (ie the legume is not the Numenorian himself).

So the legume, scrambled or not unscrambled, is not the Numenorean.

What does ROUND mean, I wonder? A round shield? Nearly round? An arc or arch?

[Galadriel55]

Tamarind is a legume.

Is there a Tar-Manid or a Tar-Damin? ;)

Most legumes I can find are kinds of beans or peas, none of which appear to unscramble and produce a Numenorean.

I told you, the legume is not the Numenorian, there are 2 separate words in the answer. Also, you mention the right legume in this post - but not the right Numenorian. The clue is simple and a bit silly, don't overthink it.

No to all of the Tars.


What does ROUND mean, I wonder? A round shield? Nearly round? An arc or arch?

Ah, good questions all. :) What is ROUND indeed? Especially given that "legume" can hardly be the straight clue.

[Pervinca Took]

A fight, like a boxing round? :D

Or a reference to Isildur never quite getting the beers in? ;)

[Galadriel55]

A fight, like a boxing round? :D

Or a reference to Isildur never quite getting the beers in? ;)

Well, yes, I suppose ROUND has a few different meanings, but also, I told you this is pretty straightforward and you're overthinking it. ;)

[Pervinca Took]

Maybe a reference to Arda being about to become round, not flat.

[Galadriel55]

Maybe a reference to Arda being about to become round, not flat.

That kind of round, but again, much too grand for what I'm talking about. It just means "round" is a straight clue descriptor of the answer. Which, in cryptic terms, is nearly a Numenorian's legume. It even follows the same grammatical structure. Sub in a Numenorian, sub in a legume, and that is nearly the answer, which is round.

[Urwen]

Is it Isildur's bean (http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Isildur%27s_Bane)?

[Galadriel55]

Is it Isildur's bean (http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Isildur%27s_Bane)?

Aye aye!




1. Violet dwarf retreats from rooster’s call in the north - aye, in the north.
2. In sonars, ill-advised choice of weapon.
3. ANGRIST: Angry, yes for one short street it would cut anything.
4. Adorn yourself with glamour, one for naught and all around, with a grain (or half) of salt.
5. ISILDUR'S BANE: Round nearly a Numenorian’s legume.
6. Without his bundle, Elvis Presley can see quite far.
7. “I can stow!” - or so they said in the north-eastern parts.
8. Spam the right god with chaos, and it will show you the way.
9. EARRAME: An organ and a horse, at sea and afloat.[/QUOTE]

[Pervinca Took]

Is the password INANIMATE?

Making 2 NARSIL - hidden, running in the words of the clue.

And I wonder if 6 is MINAS (MINUS = WITHOUT) something.

And well done, Urwen! :)

[Galadriel55]

Is the password INANIMATE?

Making 2 NARSIL - hidden, running in the words of the clue.

And I wonder if 6 is MINAS (MINUS = WITHOUT) something.

Yes, yes, no. :)





1. I Violet dwarf retreats from rooster’s call in the north - aye, in the north.
2. NARSIL: In sonars, ill-advised choice of weapon.
3. ANGRIST: Angry, yes for one short street it would cut anything.
4. N Adorn yourself with glamour, one for naught and all around, with a grain (or half) of salt.
5. ISILDUR'S BANE: Round nearly a Numenorian’s legume.
6. M Without his bundle, Elvis Presley can see quite far.
7. A “I can stow!” - or so they said in the north-eastern parts.
8. T Spam the right god with chaos, and it will show you the way.
9. EARRAME: An organ and a horse, at sea and afloat.[/QUOTE]

[Huinesoron]

#7: AH KEN STOOW - um, ARKENSTONE? In the north-east of Middle-earth.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Could 1 be the IRON HILLS?

I mean, you get purple-headed mountains. There's one in a famous hymn!

[Galadriel55]

Yes to Arkenstone.

For #1, you are right about "iron", but for the wrong reasons. The second half is incorrect though.





1. I Violet dwarf retreats from rooster’s call in the north - aye, in the north.
2. NARSIL: In sonars, ill-advised choice of weapon.
3. ANGRIST: Angry, yes for one short street it would cut anything.
4. N Adorn yourself with glamour, one for naught and all around, with a grain (or half) of salt.
5. ISILDUR'S BANE: Round nearly a Numenorian’s legume.
6. M Without his bundle, Elvis Presley can see quite far.
7. ARKENSTONE: “I can stow!” - or so they said in the north-eastern parts.
8. T Spam the right god with chaos, and it will show you the way.
9. EARRAME: An organ and a horse, at sea and afloat.

[Pervinca Took]

IRON CROWN.

THAT'S how we get the rooster's CROW in. Then N for north.

I don't get 'violet dwarf retreats,' though.

Oh! NORI backwards.

Why VIOLET, though? No-one even had a violet hood or beard.

[Galadriel55]

Why VIOLET, though? No-one even had a violet hood or beard.

Didn't Nori have a purple hood? If he did not, I apologize.




1. IRON CROWN: Violet dwarf retreats from rooster’s call in the north - aye, in the north.
2. NARSIL: In sonars, ill-advised choice of weapon.
3. ANGRIST: Angry, yes for one short street it would cut anything.
4. N Adorn yourself with glamour, one for naught and all around, with a grain (or half) of salt.
5. ISILDUR'S BANE: Round nearly a Numenorian’s legume.
6. M Without his bundle, Elvis Presley can see quite far.
7. ARKENSTONE: “I can stow!” - or so they said in the north-eastern parts.
8. T Spam the right god with chaos, and it will show you the way.
9. EARRAME: An organ and a horse, at sea and afloat.

[Pervinca Took]

Didn't Nori have a purple hood? If he did not, I apologize.




1. IRON CROWN: Violet dwarf retreats from rooster’s call in the north - aye, in the north.
2. NARSIL: In sonars, ill-advised choice of weapon.
3. ANGRIST: Angry, yes for one short street it would cut anything.
4. N Adorn yourself with glamour, one for naught and all around, with a grain (or half) of salt.
5. ISILDUR'S BANE: Round nearly a Numenorian’s legume.
6. M Without his bundle, Elvis Presley can see quite far.
7. ARKENSTONE: “I can stow!” - or so they said in the north-eastern parts.
8. T Spam the right god with chaos, and it will show you the way.
9. EARRAME: An organ and a horse, at sea and afloat.

Sorry, he did. I've just checked. You were quite right. :)

[Pervinca Took]

I think 4 is NAUGLAMIR.

Glamour without O but add I.

Oh! And Na is half of NaCl.

[Galadriel55]

I think 4 is NAUGLAMIR.

Glamour without O but add I.

Oh! And Na is half of NaCl.

Indeed!



1. IRON CROWN: Violet dwarf retreats from rooster’s call in the north - aye, in the north.
2. NARSIL: In sonars, ill-advised choice of weapon.
3. ANGRIST: Angry, yes for one short street it would cut anything.
4. NAUGLAMIR: Adorn yourself with glamour, one for naught and all around, with a grain (or half) of salt.
5. ISILDUR'S BANE: Round nearly a Numenorian’s legume.
6. M Without his bundle, Elvis Presley can see quite far.
7. ARKENSTONE: “I can stow!” - or so they said in the north-eastern parts.
8. T Spam the right god with chaos, and it will show you the way.
9. EARRAME: An organ and a horse, at sea and afloat.


Two more to go. The Elvis Presley one is cheeky. #8 requires one synonym.

[Pervinca Took]

I wonder if the synonym could be TRASH, for SPAM.

Although I thought the answer to this one might be a road. Like 'The North Road' (with 'Thor' in it) or 'The Straight Road.'

[Galadriel55]

I wonder if the synonym could be TRASH, for SPAM.

Although I thought the answer to this one might be a road. Like 'The North Road' (with 'Thor' in it) or 'The Straight Road.'

Not a road, and the word you need to replace is not SPAM. Also, perhaps "word substitution" is a better description than "synonym" for this.

[Pervinca Took]

Not a road, and the word you need to replace is not SPAM. Also, perhaps "word substitution" is a better description than "synonym" for this.

I guess the straight part of the clue is 'it,' then. ;)

It could be a map. That's shows the way.

Hang about - maybe it could an' all!

Is it THROR'S MAP?

THOR ... SPAM ... shows way with the additional R and the actual answer.

And I suppose there's a little chaos to get that to THROR'S MAP.

If so, there's a LOT of dwarf in this password. But then, it's inanimate stuff, and dwarves LIKE their stuff.

[Pervinca Took]

The Elvis element could possibly be KING.

I reckon one could see pretty far from MENELTARMA.

Where only the King can speak (and only utter prayers, I think).

[Galadriel55]

Wheee! THROR'S MAP is indeed correct, for reasons stated. I suppose Dwarves do like their inanimate things - but Nori was purely my fault, the Dwarves had nothing to do with Morgoth's tiaras. ;)

MENELTARMA is not correct though. Try using Elvis's full epithet to start with.



1. IRON CROWN: Violet dwarf retreats from rooster’s call in the north - aye, in the north.
2. NARSIL: In sonars, ill-advised choice of weapon.
3. ANGRIST: Angry, yes for one short street it would cut anything.
4. NAUGLAMIR: Adorn yourself with glamour, one for naught and all around, with a grain (or half) of salt.
5. ISILDUR'S BANE: Round nearly a Numenorian’s legume.
6. M Without his bundle, Elvis Presley can see quite far.
7. ARKENSTONE: “I can stow!” - or so they said in the north-eastern parts.
8. THROR'S MAP: Spam the right god with chaos, and it will show you the way.
9. EARRAME: An organ and a horse, at sea and afloat.

[Pervinca Took]

That makes me think the M answer might be a rock. (King of rock and roll?)

I tried looking through titles of Elvis's songs - couldn't believe how many there are! Many of them are religious, and I think some are covers, though.

[Galadriel55]

That makes me think the M answer might be a rock. (King of rock and roll?)

*nods*

Not any of his songs. His "title" is sufficient.

[Pervinca Took]

The only one I can think of is Mindolluin.

[Galadriel55]

The only one I can think of is Mindolluin.

You keep thinking mountains... it's not a place.

New page -



1. IRON CROWN: Violet dwarf retreats from rooster’s call in the north - aye, in the north.
2. NARSIL: In sonars, ill-advised choice of weapon.
3. ANGRIST: Angry, yes for one short street it would cut anything.
4. NAUGLAMIR: Adorn yourself with glamour, one for naught and all around, with a grain (or half) of salt.
5. ISILDUR'S BANE: Round nearly a Numenorian’s legume.
6. M Without his bundle, Elvis Presley can see quite far.
7. ARKENSTONE: “I can stow!” - or so they said in the north-eastern parts.
8. THROR'S MAP: Spam the right god with chaos, and it will show you the way.
9. EARRAME: An organ and a horse, at sea and afloat.

[Pervinca Took]

MIR, for jewel?

Bright when not mirking?

I'll get my coat.

[Galadriel55]

MIR, for jewel?

Bright when not mirking?

I'll get my coat.

Umm... go back to "King of Rock and Roll". That's Elvis. Follow the other instruction in the clue, which will get you to (an admittedly vague) synonym for the literal term.

Alternatively, and what's probably easier, think what the straight clue might be and go backwards. The straight clue couldn't be straighter.

[Pervinca Took]

Magnifying glass?

Music?

:D

[Urwen]

Palantir means 'far-seeing' in elvish. Just in case it helps.

[Galadriel55]

Palantir means 'far-seeing' in elvish. Just in case it helps.

It will help indeed. ;)

[Pervinca Took]

Master-stone?

[Galadriel55]

And group effort conquers everything!



1. IRON CROWN: Violet dwarf retreats from rooster’s call in the north - aye, in the north.
2. NARSIL: In sonars, ill-advised choice of weapon.
3. ANGRIST: Angry, yes for one short street it would cut anything.
4. NAUGLAMIR: Adorn yourself with glamour, one for naught and all around, with a grain (or half) of salt.
5. ISILDUR'S BANE: Round nearly a Numenorian’s legume.
6. MASTER-STONE: Without his bundle, Elvis Presley can see quite far.
7. ARKENSTONE: “I can stow!” - or so they said in the north-eastern parts.
8. THROR'S MAP: Spam the right god with chaos, and it will show you the way.
9. EARRAME: An organ and a horse, at sea and afloat.



And over to Pervinca!

[Pervinca Took]

That was great! The Spam/Thror's map one was my favourite clue.

Why bundle, though, in the Elvis clue? Is It slang for a nickname or unofficial title?

Anyway, here's the next one:

1. Underground? Overground? Womble, that's he.
2. Medical chap swallows half a Vala for him.
3. Deity overlaps short palindrome girl to meet perturbed footwear? A bigger girl emerges.
4. Mouse changes heads to reveal him?
5. Hard word. Starts with clear direction to a pub. But why, I say? To finish it off with a dwarvish tool.
6. Palindrome girl leads the way to a teacup omen - he's there, but the whole answer is one of his female relatives.
7. One solitary girl? It's revolutionary.
8. Not poetry, but it contains edge - and then she appears.
9. His posterior leapfrogs and is disorientated, but meets a headless 80s singer.

[Galadriel55]

Without a bundle = take away the roll.

[Pervinca Took]

Oh - a blanket roll?

[Huinesoron]

#1: Great Uncle Bulgaria?!?

Ahem.

#6: I have vague memories of Trelawney going on about a Grim, so the clue could point at Ada + L ("leads the way") + grim = Adalgrim Took. His immediate female relatives are his mother, ROSA BAGGINS (TOOK), and his only named daughter, ESMERALDA TOOK (BRANDYBUCK). My guess is more likely the latter.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. Underground? Overground? Womble, that's he.
2. Medical chap swallows half a Vala for him.
3. Deity overlaps short palindrome girl to meet perturbed footwear? A bigger girl emerges.
4. Mouse changes heads to reveal him?
5. Hard word. Starts with clear direction to a pub. But why, I say? To finish it off with a dwarvish tool.
ADALGRIM'S AUNT: Palindrome girl leads the way to a teacup omen - he's there, but the whole answer is one of his female relatives.
7. One solitary girl? It's revolutionary.
PRIMROSE: Not poetry, but it contains edge - and then she appears.
9. His posterior leapfrogs and is disorientated, but meets a headless 80s singer.

[Urwen]

8. Primrose.

[Pervinca Took]

Yes. I've put it in, above.

Sorry, edited instead of quoting, by mistake, and so erased my praise of Huey for solving the first clue, near enough. (It's one of his aunts, not his wife or daughter).

[Huinesoron]

Sorry, edited instead of quoting, by mistake, and so erased my praise of Huey for solving the first clue, near enough. (It's one of his aunts, not his wife or daughter).

Not to worry, I saw it. :)

#1: Okay, not Bulgaria, but apparently there's a Womble called BUNGO, as in Baggins.

#2: Sounds like it's 'Doc' split around something. There's a hobbit named DODERIC Brandybuck, though I can't find half a Vala in "deri". And there's always DOMINIC "Merry" Monaghan, using the miniature Vala Minimusë... :D

hS

[Pervinca Took]

BUNGO: Underground? Overground? Womble, that's he.
2. Medical chap swallows half a Vala for him.
3. Deity overlaps short palindrome girl to meet perturbed footwear? A bigger girl emerges.
4. Mouse changes heads to reveal him?
5. Hard word. Starts with clear direction to a pub. But why, I say? To finish it off with a dwarvish tool.
ADALGRIM'S AUNT: Palindrome girl leads the way to a teacup omen - he's there, but the whole answer is one of his female relatives.
7. One solitary girl? It's revolutionary.
PRIMROSE: Not poetry, but it contains edge - and then she appears.
9. His posterior leapfrogs and is disorientated, but meets a headless 80s singer.

Wrong abbreviation of Doctor.

[Urwen]

Some small hints, please?

[Pervinca Took]

Start with an abbreviation of Doctor for 2, and try a well-known Vala.

[Urwen]

I meant hints for clues, plural, not just one of them...

[Galadriel55]

Start with an abbreviation of Doctor for 2, and try a well-known Vala.

I've been working with MD for that, but still not getting far with the Vala. Maybe I should start working through them systematically, there are only seven of them (though many of them do have several names).

[Pervinca Took]

Hints, eh?

4. You need a cartoon mouse, not a synonym.

5. Find a synonym for 'pub.'

2. It's a FAR more obvious abbreviation of Doctor!

[Urwen]

DR? (Well, I've checked that three times over, and there is no name that starts with D and ends with R...)

[Urwen]

But I know know that 4 is Merry.

[Pervinca Took]

BUNGO: Underground? Overground? Womble, that's he.
2. Medical chap swallows half a Vala for him.
3. Deity overlaps short palindrome girl to meet perturbed footwear? A bigger girl emerges.
MERRY: Mouse changes heads to reveal him?
5. Hard word. Starts with clear direction to a pub. But why, I say? To finish it off with a dwarvish tool.
ADALGRIM'S AUNT: Palindrome girl leads the way to a teacup omen - he's there, but the whole answer is one of his female relatives.
7. One solitary girl? It's revolutionary.
PRIMROSE: Not poetry, but it contains edge - and then she appears.
9. His posterior leapfrogs and is disorientated, but meets a headless 80s singer.

[Pervinca Took]

DR? (Well, I've checked that three times over, and there is no name that starts with D and ends with R...)

Oh. Really?

There's Denethor for a start, and he's not even the answer!

[Galadriel55]

Ah right. So if you go with Dr. and Aule, you van get DAUR, which if I recall from your previous passwords is a name for Frodo and fits the hobbit theme going on here. Or am I just quoting from HOME XIII, The Weird Bits?

[Pervinca Took]

BUNGO: Underground? Overground? Womble, that's he.
DAUR: Medical chap swallows half a Vala for him.
3. Deity overlaps short palindrome girl to meet perturbed footwear? A bigger girl emerges.
MERRY: Mouse changes heads to reveal him?
5. Hard word. Starts with clear direction to a pub. But why, I say? To finish it off with a dwarvish tool.
ADALGRIM'S AUNT: Palindrome girl leads the way to a teacup omen - he's there, but the whole answer is one of his female relatives.
7. One solitary girl? It's revolutionary.
PRIMROSE: Not poetry, but it contains edge - and then she appears.
9. His posterior leapfrogs and is disorientated, but meets a headless 80s singer.

It's in LOTR itself. ;)

'Long live the Halflings! Praise them with great praise!
Cuio i Pheriain anann! Aglar'ni Pheriannath!
Praise them with great praise, Frodo and Samwise!
Daur a Berhael, Conin en Annun! Eglerio!
Praise them!
Eglerio!
A laita te, laita te! Andave laituvalmet!
Praise them!
Cormacolindor, a laita tarienna!
Praise them! The Ring-bearers, praise them with great praise!'

Mind you, I once thought 'Conin en Annun' meant 'Frodo and Sam.' ;)

And here's the intro to The Wombles, to go with clue 1. ;) :-

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VLCvqAZo5kQ

And here's the whole song:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4ODzcjTsSaE

Wombles *were* the original recyclers!

[Urwen]

Maybe the password is 'Bag-Enders'?

[Pervinca Took]

BUNGO: Underground? Overground? Womble, that's he.
DAUR: Medical chap swallows half a Vala for him.
G Deity overlaps short palindrome girl to meet perturbed footwear? A bigger girl emerges.
MERRY: Mouse changes heads to reveal him?
N Hard word. Starts with clear direction to a pub. But why, I say? To finish it off with a dwarvish tool.
ADALGRIM'S AUNT: Palindrome girl leads the way to a teacup omen - he's there, but the whole answer is one of his female relatives.
E One solitary girl? It's revolutionary.
PRIMROSE: Not poetry, but it contains edge - and then she appears.
S His posterior leapfrogs and is disorientated, but meets a headless 80s singer.

[Urwen]

G: Goldilocks
E: Elanor

[Pervinca Took]

G: Goldilocks
E: Elanor

Correct.

Can you give the reasons?

[Urwen]

For Goldilocks: GOD+LIL+ (S)OCKS
For Elanor: LONER+A

[Pervinca Took]

BUNGO: Underground? Overground? Womble, that's he.
DAUR: Medical chap swallows half a Vala for him.
GOLDILOCKS: Deity overlaps short palindrome girl to meet perturbed footwear? A bigger girl emerges.
MERRY: Mouse changes heads to reveal him?
N Hard word. Starts with clear direction to a pub. But why, I say? To finish it off with a dwarvish tool.
ADALGRIM'S AUNT: Palindrome girl leads the way to a teacup omen - he's there, but the whole answer is one of his female relatives.
ELANOR: One solitary girl? It's revolutionary.
PRIMROSE: Not poetry, but it contains edge - and then she appears.
S His posterior leapfrogs and is disorientated, but meets a headless 80s singer.

Yep.

Footwear was just SOCK, (singular), though.

[Huinesoron]

The S could be SAMWISE, but I can't figure out who the headless 80s singer would be from MWIE. (It's almost 'Bowie', but then there's that spare M).

I'm guessing "Adalgrim's Aunt" is Belladonna Took-Baggins; she's technically his first cousin once removed or something, but that's a closer relationship than between Frodo and "Uncle" Bilbo, so perhaps Hobbits just call anyone one generation above you but within the same extended family Aunt or Uncle.

That N is a puzzler, though, and no mistake.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

The S could be SAMWISE, but I can't figure out who the headless 80s singer would be from MWIE.

hS

That's because the answer isn't Samwise. :D

Gather the elements for the N clue, and you might surprise yourself.

[Urwen]

N+bar+axe?


Or N+inn+axe?

[Galadriel55]

N could be the starting direction. Pub - most likely an INN. Why = Y.

...Ninnyhammer?

[Pervinca Took]

BUNGO: Underground? Overground? Womble, that's he.
DAUR: Medical chap swallows half a Vala for him.
GOLDILOCKS: Deity overlaps short palindrome girl to meet perturbed footwear? A bigger girl emerges.
MERRY: Mouse changes heads to reveal him?
NINNYHAMMER: Hard word. Starts with clear direction to a pub. But why, I say? To finish it off with a dwarvish tool.
ADALGRIM'S AUNT: Palindrome girl leads the way to a teacup omen - he's there, but the whole answer is one of his female relatives.
ELANOR: One solitary girl? It's revolutionary.
PRIMROSE: Not poetry, but it contains edge - and then she appears.
S His posterior leapfrogs and is disorientated, but meets a headless 80s singer.

Yes!

One to go.

Think 'unconventional' Bagender.

[Galadriel55]

I will throw out Sharkey as fitting an "unconventional" resident of that home. No idea how to match the clue.

[Pervinca Took]

BUNGO: Underground? Overground? Womble, that's he.
DAUR: Medical chap swallows half a Vala for him.
GOLDILOCKS: Deity overlaps short palindrome girl to meet perturbed footwear? A bigger girl emerges.
MERRY: Mouse changes heads to reveal him?
NINNYHAMMER: Hard word. Starts with clear direction to a pub. But why, I say? To finish it off with a dwarvish tool.
ADALGRIM'S AUNT: Palindrome girl leads the way to a teacup omen - he's there, but the whole answer is one of his female relatives.
ELANOR: One solitary girl? It's revolutionary.
PRIMROSE: Not poetry, but it contains edge - and then she appears.
S His posterior leapfrogs and is disorientated, but meets a headless 80s singer.

Nearly! Try another name for Sharkey.

[Urwen]

Saruman?

[Pervinca Took]

BUNGO: Underground? Overground? Womble, that's he.
DAUR: Medical chap swallows half a Vala for him.
GOLDILOCKS: Deity overlaps short palindrome girl to meet perturbed footwear? A bigger girl emerges.
MERRY: Mouse changes heads to reveal him?
NINNYHAMMER: Hard word. Starts with clear direction to a pub. But why, I say? To finish it off with a dwarvish tool.
ADALGRIM'S AUNT: Palindrome girl leads the way to a teacup omen - he's there, but the whole answer is one of his female relatives.
ELANOR: One solitary girl? It's revolutionary.
PRIMROSE: Not poetry, but it contains edge - and then she appears.
SARUMAN: His posterior leapfrogs and is disorientated, but meets a headless 80s singer.

ARSE. S leapfrogs over to before the S. Well, E does too, but since the arse is disorientated, it loses its E altogether. (Probably mid-jump). Then it meets [GARY N]UMAN. As the singer is headless, the N is lost.

And over to Urwen.

[Urwen]

Thank you, and here goes

1. Direction, that is. Harry's bestie runs back. She appears.
2. A girl and a boy form him.
3. A Teletubby followed by a strike, in confusion. It leads to her.
4. 'A hollow is irrelevant, shortly' says he
5. Endless pee? Put the first of tummy up front and assemble him.
6. Devoted to a certain Vala? That is he.
7. A novel sun god returns to her, mirrored
8. First three of a Vala meet circular one in German, all for her.
9. A Dwarvish weapon, a hard-shelled fruit and an Egyptian god mix up for him.

[Pervinca Took]

1. N-IE-NOR (Ron).

I like that one!

[Pervinca Took]

3. Lalaith.

La-la + hit.

[Pervinca Took]

8. YAV-IEN (ein).

[Pervinca Took]

7. Arwen.

(new ra).

[Pervinca Took]

2. Ella-dan?

[Huinesoron]

#5: T+URIN?

hS

[Pervinca Took]

I think it's Nel------- .

Probably an elvish word meaning the three houses (of men) - or maybe the third house.

[Pervinca Took]

9. I can't find the whole of AXE in any male name, but there is AXANTOR, who seems to fit with the other answers.

[Huinesoron]

I think it's Nel------- .

Probably an elvish word meaning the three houses (of men) - or maybe the third house.

I think we might have 3 sets of 3 siblings - Turin and his sisters - Yavien, Axantur and their brother - the El Twins and Arwen. So that's probably the 'three' element?

9. I can't find the whole of AXE in any male name, but there is AXANTOR, whose seems to fit with the other answers.

I think 'ax' is a variant spelling in some parts of the world.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

I think we might have 3 sets of 3 siblings - Turin and his sisters - Yavien, Axantur and their brother - the El Twins and Arwen. So that's probably the 'three' element?



I think 'ax' is a variant spelling in some parts of the world.

hS

Ah yes, I may have seen AX before.

Where's the fruit, though? There isn't even a U to make NUT, (which is also an Egyptian God-is that in the same clue?)

[Urwen]

NIENOR: Direction, that is. Harry's bestie runs back. She appears.
ELLADAN: A girl and a boy form him.
LALAITH: A Teletubby followed by a strike, in confusion. It leads to her.
4. A hollow is irrelevant, shortly' says he
TURIN: Endless pee? Put the first of tummy up front and assemble him.
6. Devoted to a certain Vala? That is he.
NEWRA: A novel sun god returns to her, mirrored
YAVIEN: First three of a Vala meet circular one in German, all for her.
AXANTUR: A Dwarvish weapon, a hard-shelled fruit and an Egyptian god mix up for him.

[Huinesoron]

Ah yes, I may have seen AX before.

Where's the fruit, though? There isn't even a U to make NUT, (which is also an Egyptian God-is that in the same clue?)

"AxantUr". ;)

Okay, two left, and they should be Elrohir and Oromendil. So:

#6: OROMENDIL literally means 'devoted to Orome'. :)

So #4 ELROHIR? It's an anagram of 'HOLE IRR(elevant)'.

With the password being... Neletonya? Probably Telerin-influenced Quenya for 'my three children', though I'm sure other translations are possible.

hS

[Urwen]

NIENOR: Direction, that is. Harry's bestie runs back. She appears.
ELLADAN: A girl and a boy form him.
LALAITH: A Teletubby followed by a strike, in confusion. It leads to her.
ELROHIR: A hollow is irrelevant, shortly' says he
TURIN: Endless pee? Put the first of tummy up front and assemble him.
OROMENDIL: Devoted to a certain Vala? That is he.
NEWRA: A novel sun god returns to her, mirrored
YAVIEN: First three of a Vala meet circular one in German, all for her.
AXANTUR: A Dwarvish weapon, a hard-shelled fruit and an Egyptian god mix up for him.

And over to you.

[Huinesoron]

Thanks! So was it 'My three children', or was there a different meaning?

In this one the [numbers] indicate which letter you need. And two of the answers are in Elvish.

1. - An old man eats, hears an old thorn. [1]
2. - Kick it in, lose the first in third but gain the fourth, and Bilbo brings it home. [3]
3. - A policeman to fill the tubs. [5]
4. - Of old a lower vista for Fred's wife, mother of rock. [4]
5. - What the wizard brings to five plus a vowel. [4]
6. - In forbidden tongue the type of gaol is more than half cross, note. [2]
7. - Noble when hot? Tyler sounds uncertain. [3]
8. - Thrice ten is a lot, but only three each below the window and in the song. [1]

hS

[Urwen]

Thanks! So was it 'My three children'


Yes.

[Pervinca Took]

7. WATER

'O! Water Hot is a noble thing!'

Oh! And WAT (TYLER) plus ER.

Giving is a T, I do believe.

[Huinesoron]

7. WATER

'O! Water Hot is a noble thing!'

Oh! And WAT (TYLER) plus ER.

Giving is a T, I do believe.

Correct! I used to live near a Wat Tyler Country Park, so the name is permanently stuck in my head.

1. - An old man eats, hears an old thorn. [1]
2. - Kick it in, lose the first in third but gain the fourth, and Bilbo brings it home. [3]
3. - A policeman to fill the tubs. [5]
4. - Of old a lower vista for Fred's wife, mother of rock. [4]
5. - What the wizard brings to five plus a vowel. [4]
6. - In forbidden tongue the type of gaol is more than half cross, note. [2]
WATER - Noble when hot? Tyler sounds uncertain. [3]
8. - Thrice ten is a lot, but only three each below the window and in the song. [1]

hS

[Pervinca Took]

4. Is 4 something like BEDROCK, or just bed? I suppose Fred's wife is Wilma?

With the theme being something about songs and poems - elements or subjects within them, perhaps? 'Water hot' is one, and 'And then to bed!' is in another song.

Maybe it's hobbit songs?

[Huinesoron]

4. Is 4 something like BEDROCK, or just bed? I suppose Fred's wife is Wilma?

With the theme being something about songs and poems - elements or subjects within them, perhaps? 'Water hot' is one, and 'And then to bed!' is in another song.

Maybe it's hobbit songs?

That's some really good theorising, but falls foul of the fact that the answer isn't bed.

It's WILMA.

1. - An old man eats, hears an old thorn. [1]
2. - Kick it in, lose the first in third but gain the fourth, and Bilbo brings it home. [3]
3. - A policeman to fill the tubs. [5]
WILMA - Of old a lower vista for Fred's wife, mother of rock. [4]
5. - What the wizard brings to five plus a vowel. [4]
6. - In forbidden tongue the type of gaol is more than half cross, note. [2]
WATER - Noble when hot? Tyler sounds uncertain. [3]
8. - Thrice ten is a lot, but only three each below the window and in the song. [1]

(It's an older Quenya word for the 'lower airs', as a subset of vista, the airs as a whole.)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

I suppose even elves need a word for when mortals have farted. :D

[Urwen]

Password: Elements?

[Pervinca Took]

You know what - I thought 'elements,' but went looking for an elvish word with two W's in it.

(Facepalm).

[Huinesoron]

Password: Elements?

... :eek:

1. E - An old man eats, hears an old thorn. [1]
2. L - Kick it in, lose the first in third but gain the fourth, and Bilbo brings it home. [3]
3. E - A policeman to fill the tubs. [5]
WILMA - Of old a lower vista for Fred's wife, mother of rock. [4]
5. E - What the wizard brings to five plus a vowel. [4]
6. N - In forbidden tongue the type of gaol is more than half cross, note. [2]
WATER - Noble when hot? Tyler sounds uncertain. [3]
8. S - Thrice ten is a lot, but only three each below the window and in the song. [1]

So, er... good luck with the rest of the clues?

hS

[Urwen]

I've checked the list of elements (Fire, Earth, Air, Water, Ice, Electricity, Light and Darkness) but none of them have required letters in the required positions...

Am I missing something here?

[Huinesoron]

I've checked the list of elements (Fire, Earth, Air, Water, Ice, Electricity, Light and Darkness) but none of them have required letters in the required positions...

Am I missing something here?

At least two things, I should say. :D

Not related to the question, but where did you pull that list from? It's clearly modern, but other than 'not Pokemon' I can't really narrow it down.

hS

[Urwen]

At least two things, I should say. :D

Not related to the question, but where did you pull that list from? It's clearly modern, but other than 'not Pokemon' I can't really narrow it down.

hS


From here (https://powerlisting.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Elemental_Abilities#Description)

[Galadriel55]

I suppose even elves need a word for when mortals have farted. :D

You're incurable. :D


2. GOLD: "Kick it in" = GOAL, "lose the first in third" = the A in third place, "but gain the fourth" = the fourth letter in the fourth place, "and Bilbo brings it home" = well, he does.

Urwen, that was some brilliant passwording. And Hui, that is some creative password-setting!


EDIT: I have a funny feeling 8 is SILVER, for the thirty silver pieces Barliman "donated" to the cause... But can't explain it.

[Pervinca Took]

You're incurable. :D


2. GOLD: "Kick it in" = GOAL, "lose the first in third" = the A in third place, "but gain the fourth" = the fourth letter in the fourth place, "and Bilbo brings it home" = well, he does.

Urwen, that was some brilliant passwording. And Hui, that is some creative password-setting!


EDIT: I have a funny feeling 8 is SILVER, for the thirty silver pieces Barliman "donated" to the cause... But can't explain it.

I wonder if the song could be Penny Lane ... except the word PENNY occurs more than 3 times in the song. Or reference to The Thru'penny Opera? I can't remember 3 pennies in the song Frodo sings in The Prancing Pony.

Oh! I've got it. SIL is 3 letters from a SILL, which is below a window, and VER is 3 letters from VERSE.

EDIT:

3. COPPER. Slang for policeman, and a copper can be a tub/receptacle.

1. EARTH? Ear, eat ... thorn made the 'th' sound?

5. FIRE, brought by Gandalf?

[Galadriel55]

5. FIRE, brought by Gandalf?

Oh, because fifteen birds in five FIR trees!

[Pervinca Took]

Oh, because fifteen birds in five FIR trees!

Nice one.

[Huinesoron]

From here (https://powerlisting.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Elemental_Abilities#Description)

o.O Okay, so the classical elements are earth-air-fire-water. A slightly later set was sulfur-mercury-salt. Chinese lists often include metal and wood, alongside some or all of the classical set. And modern fiction includes everything under the sun (Angband (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=19522) includes Fire, Lightning, Time, and Nexus, among many others.) And then there's chemistry, which has 118 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periodic_table).

This password isn't a closed set, but all of them appear in the Legendarium.


2. GOLD: "Kick it in" = GOAL, "lose the first in third" = the A in third place, "but gain the fourth" = the fourth letter in the fourth place, "and Bilbo brings it home" = well, he does.

Correct!


EDIT: I have a funny feeling 8 is SILVER, for the thirty silver pieces Barliman "donated" to the cause... But can't explain it.

I wonder if the song could be Penny Lane ... except the word PENNY occurs more than 3 times in the song. Or reference to The Thru'penny Opera? I can't remember 3 pennies in the song Frodo sings in The Prancing Pony.

Oh! I've got it. SIL is 3 letters from a SILL, which is below a window, and VER is 3 letters from VERSE.

SILVER is correct, as Sil-Ver, with 30 pennies being the reference. ("Thrice ten" just to avoid saying "thirty".)



3. COPPER. Slang for policeman, and a copper can be a tub/receptacle.

Correct; the water for the baths is poured from it.


1. EARTH? Ear, eat ... thorn made the 'th' sound?


Ear + th (thorn); 'old man eats' is Bombadil's words to Old Man Willow.

(And this was one of the things you missed, Urwen - you listed Earth, which does have a letter in the right place!)


5. FIRE, brought by Gandalf?

Oh, because fifteen birds in five FIR trees!

Bingo. (Not Bungo; that was two passwords ago!)

EARTH - An old man eats, hears an old thorn. [1]
GOLD - Kick it in, lose the first in third but gain the fourth, and Bilbo brings it home. [3]
COPPER - A policeman to fill the tubs. [5]
WILMA - Of old a lower vista for Fred's wife, mother of rock. [4]
FIRE - What the wizard brings to five plus a vowel. [4]
6. N - In forbidden tongue the type of gaol is more than half cross, note. [2]
WATER - Noble when hot? Tyler sounds uncertain. [3]
SILVER - Thrice ten is a lot, but only three each below the window and in the song. [1]

And, strewth, only one to go? Um... okay, #6 is not an English word, and part of the clue explains that.

hS

[Urwen]

I assume the forbidden tongue is either Quenya or Black speech.

[Urwen]

Anga?

[Huinesoron]

Anga?

... is correct! Ang[er] + a vowel, for the first half of 'Angamando' (Q. for Angband, "Iron Jail").

EARTH - An old man eats, hears an old thorn. [1]
GOLD - Kick it in, lose the first in third but gain the fourth, and Bilbo brings it home. [3]
COPPER - A policeman to fill the tubs. [5]
WILMA - Of old a lower vista for Fred's wife, mother of rock. [4]
FIRE - What the wizard brings to five plus a vowel. [4]
ANGA - In forbidden tongue the type of gaol is more than half cross, note. [2]
WATER - Noble when hot? Tyler sounds uncertain. [3]
SILVER - Thrice ten is a lot, but only three each below the window and in the song. [1]

A mix of chemical and classical elements from the books. I... am... not sure, in hindsight, why I didn't just use IRON for that last one, except that it would have made WILMA stand out even more.

Over to URWEN, and well done all. :)

hS

[Urwen]

New one.

1. Something that knights say, England and a conjuction, all for her.
2. Air, right now. In disarray, she is there.
3. He is full of enthusiasm (Rearranged)
4. Returning direction and a male name lead to her.
5. Spanish article and pronoun form an Elven king.
6. In a mirror, things that go on and on reveal him.
7. God ran in circles. He appears.
8. Transition (movie-wise) an evil robot and a particle come together for him.
9. An ancient nomad tribe, sans direction, and a Norse God. For someone done in by a rock.
10. Confused ladies find a way, for her.
11. Maeglin loses a head, for him.
12. A preposition between a long and short direction. It's all in disarray, and backwards. For him.
13. Note a throne in disarray, for him.
14. An entrance, an article and a direction. All in the muddle. For a king.
15. Boaz's wife returns endlessly. Add a preposition for a tragic hero.
16. An element precedes muddled destruction, for him.

Finding different ways to portray the same answer is fun. :cool:

[Galadriel55]

1. NIENNA - NI + EN(gland) + and (short)?

[Pervinca Took]

New one.

1. Something that knights say, England and a conjuction, all for her.
2. Air, right now. In disarray, she is there.
3. He is full of enthusiasm (Rearranged)
4. Returning direction and a male name lead to her.
5. Spanish article and pronoun form an Elven king.
6. In a mirror, things that go on and on reveal him.
7. God ran in circles. He appears.
8. Transition (movie-wise) an evil robot and a particle come together for him.
9. An ancient nomad tribe, sans direction, and a Norse God. For someone done in by a rock.
10. Confused ladies find a way, for her.
11. Maeglin loses a head, for him.
12. A preposition between a long and short direction. It's all in disarray, and backwards. For him.
13. Note a throne in disarray, for him.
14. An entrance, an article and a direction. All in the muddle. For a king.
15. Boaz's wife returns endlessly. Add a preposition for a tragic hero.
16. An element precedes muddled destruction, for him.

Finding different ways to portray the same answer is fun. :cool:

1. Or NIENOR? OR = a whole conjunction.

5. EL-WE.

7. ANGROD.

10. MORWEN. (R + WOMEN).

11. (M)ORLEG.

15. TURIN (endless RUTH+ In)

[Urwen]

NIENOR: Something that knights say, England and a conjuction, all for her.
2. Air, right now. In disarray, she is there.
3. He is full of enthusiasm (Rearranged)
4. Returning direction and a male name lead to her.
ELWE: Spanish article and pronoun form an Elven king.
6. In a mirror, things that go on and on reveal him.
7. God ran in circles. He appears.
8. Transition (movie-wise) an evil robot and a particle come together for him.
9. An ancient nomad tribe, sans direction, and a Norse God. For someone done in by a rock.
MORWEN: Confused ladies find a way, for her.
ORLEG: Maeglin loses a head, for him.
12. A preposition between a long and short direction. It's all in disarray, and backwards. For him.
13. Note a throne in disarray, for him.
14. An entrance, an article and a direction. All in the muddle. For a king.
TURIN: Boaz's wife returns endlessly. Add a preposition for a tragic hero.
16. An element precedes muddled destruction, for him.

[Pervinca Took]

Is ANGROD right for number 7?

[Pervinca Took]

14. Orodreth.

Door + the + r.

16. HURIN.

H + RUIN.

[Pervinca Took]

13. Gethron.

G + throne.

[Huinesoron]

#8: Cut + HAL-9000 + ion = CUTHALION.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Is the password an elvish phrase meaning ENEMIES OF MORGOTH?

NOTTO can mean enemy.

Something ending in MORGOTH, anyway.

[Urwen]

Is the password an elvish phrase meaning ENEMIES OF MORGOTH?

NOTTO can mean enemy.

Something ending in MORGOTH, anyway.


It is an Elvish phrase, but it doesn't mean that.

[Urwen]

NIENOR: Something that knights say, England and a conjuction, all for her.
2. Air, right now. In disarray, she is there.
3. He is full of enthusiasm (Rearranged)
4. Returning direction and a male name lead to her.
ELWE: Spanish article and pronoun form an Elven king.
6. In a mirror, things that go on and on reveal him.
7. God ran in circles. He appears.
8. Transition (movie-wise) an evil robot and a particle come together for him.
9. An ancient nomad tribe, sans direction, and a Norse God. For someone done in by a rock.
MORWEN: Confused ladies find a way, for her.
ORLEG: Maeglin loses a head, for him.
12. A preposition between a long and short direction. It's all in disarray, and backwards. For him.
GETHRON: Note a throne in disarray, for him.
ORODRETH: An entrance, an article and a direction. All in the muddle. For a king.
TURIN: Boaz's wife returns endlessly. Add a preposition for a tragic hero.
HURIN: An element precedes muddled destruction, for him.

[Urwen]

Is ANGROD right for number 7?


Obviously not, or I would have put it in...

[Pervinca Took]

Obviously not, or I would have put it in...

Well, I've forgotten to put one in now and then. Apologies for assuming you might not be 100% perfect all the time.

[Huinesoron]

Well, I've forgotten to put one in now and then. Apologies for assuming you might not be 100% perfect all the time.

Of course she is; just ask Turin, he'll tell you! "All the warmth of his heart was for [Urwen] his sister" and all that.

Shame, 'cos I was really pleased at spotting Cuthalion. Too much of a chemist for my own good, clearly. :)

hS

[Urwen]

Well, Turin isn't exactly a reliable source...

NIENOR: Something that knights say, England and a conjuction, all for her.
2. Air, right now. In disarray, she is there.
3. He is full of enthusiasm (Rearranged)
4. Returning direction and a male name lead to her.
ELWE: Spanish article and pronoun form an Elven king.
6. In a mirror, things that go on and on reveal him.
7. God ran in circles. He appears.
CUTHALION: Transition (movie-wise) an evil robot and a particle come together for him.
9. An ancient nomad tribe, sans direction, and a Norse God. For someone done in by a rock.
MORWEN: Confused ladies find a way, for her.
ORLEG: Maeglin loses a head, for him.
12. A preposition between a long and short direction. It's all in disarray, and backwards. For him.
GETHRON: Note a throne in disarray, for him.
ORODRETH: An entrance, an article and a direction. All in the muddle. For a king.
TURIN: Boaz's wife returns endlessly. Add a preposition for a tragic hero.
HURIN: An element precedes muddled destruction, for him.

[Huinesoron]

#9: First thought was Anarion, but then I remembered Turin's buddy who got unceremoniously clonked over the head while stalking Glaurung. A quick look in CoH shows me he's HUNTHOR, ie Hun[s] + Thor.

hS

[Urwen]

NIENOR: Something that knights say, England and a conjuction, all for her.
2. Air, right now. In disarray, she is there.
3. He is full of enthusiasm (Rearranged)
4. Returning direction and a male name lead to her.
ELWE: Spanish article and pronoun form an Elven king.
6. In a mirror, things that go on and on reveal him.
7. God ran in circles. He appears.
CUTHALION: Transition (movie-wise) an evil robot and a particle come together for him.
HUNTHOR: An ancient nomad tribe, sans direction, and a Norse God. For someone done in by a rock.
MORWEN: Confused ladies find a way, for her.
ORLEG: Maeglin loses a head, for him.
12. A preposition between a long and short direction. It's all in disarray, and backwards. For him.
GETHRON: Note a throne in disarray, for him.
ORODRETH: An entrance, an article and a direction. All in the muddle. For a king.
TURIN: Boaz's wife returns endlessly. Add a preposition for a tragic hero.
HURIN: An element precedes muddled destruction, for him.

[Galadriel55]

Is ANGROD right for number 7?

If not Angrod, could it be ANDROG?

[Urwen]

NIENOR: Something that knights say, England and a conjuction, all for her.
2. Air, right now. In disarray, she is there.
3. He is full of enthusiasm (Rearranged)
4. Returning direction and a male name lead to her.
ELWE: Spanish article and pronoun form an Elven king.
6. In a mirror, things that go on and on reveal him.
ANDROG: God ran in circles. He appears.
CUTHALION: Transition (movie-wise) an evil robot and a particle come together for him.
HUNTHOR: An ancient nomad tribe, sans direction, and a Norse God. For someone done in by a rock.
MORWEN: Confused ladies find a way, for her.
ORLEG: Maeglin loses a head, for him.
12. A preposition between a long and short direction. It's all in disarray, and backwards. For him.
GETHRON: Note a throne in disarray, for him.
ORODRETH: An entrance, an article and a direction. All in the muddle. For a king.
TURIN: Boaz's wife returns endlessly. Add a preposition for a tragic hero.
HURIN: An element precedes muddled destruction, for him.

[Urwen]

So, uh, you need some help?

[Pervinca Took]

Looks like it.

[Urwen]

Well, some books have more than one name. That is your password hint, and when you solve the password, solving the rest of the clues will be easier.

[Pervinca Took]

Well, 'Morgoth's Ring' is like another version of 'The Silmarillion.' I can't find a way to translate that kind of ring and fit it into the password, though. More of a job for Huey, perhaps?

[Urwen]

Nope, not that book. There are two other books featuring all the character's you've guessed so far...

[Pervinca Took]

Maybe the theme is the CURSE of Morgoth.

I think they're probably all in the NARN.

[Urwen]

Good. Now, what's the elvish word for curse?

[Pervinca Took]

Huta or racco.

[Urwen]

Huta or racco.


There as at least one more, according to TG...

[SallyHammond857]

Good. Now, what's the elvish word for curse?

as far as I remember racco it is (https://alluroscustomcabinetsinpeoria.com/)

[Huinesoron]

There as at least one more, according to TG...

I think it's the same word, actually: 'rach' is the (possibly consonant-mutated) Sindarin word, which looks like a cognate to a Quenya 'racco' (though, full disclosure, I can't find 'racco' anywhere).

Anyway, yes, apparently the Narn is also known as the Narn e-'Rach Morgoth, or Tale of the Curse of Morgoth.

So... #4, I think 'returning' tells us that we need the final letter, and Morwe [the male Avarin leader] + N[orth] = MORWEN.


... except we've... already got Morwen. Um. Is 'Salle' a male name, to give NELLAS?

hS

[Pervinca Took]

How about S + ALLEN?

[Huinesoron]

How about S + ALLEN?

Sure, I guess we could go with the solution that makes sense instead... :p

#6: Very embarassed not to remember what goes on and on... SADOR.

#2: I was wracking my brains for way to get Finduilas from this, but totally forgot Turin's... aunt? Cousin? One of those. AERIN basically starts with 'air', though I can't make either IN or (rearranged) EN into 'right now'.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

I got as far as you with AERIN, but never, never thought of ROADS!

[Pervinca Took]

Oh ... RAGNIR from RARING?

[Urwen]

NIENOR: Something that knights say, England and a conjuction, all for her.
AERIN: Air, right now. In disarray, she is there.
RAGNIR: He is full of enthusiasm (Rearranged)
NELLAS: Returning direction and a male name lead to her.

ELWE: Spanish article and pronoun form an Elven king.

RODAS: In a mirror, things that go on and on reveal him.
ANDROG: God ran in circles. He appears.
CUTHALION: Transition (movie-wise) an evil robot and a particle come together for him.
HUNTHOR: An ancient nomad tribe, sans direction, and a Norse God. For someone done in by a rock.

MORWEN: Confused ladies find a way, for her.
ORLEG: Maeglin loses a head, for him.
R: A preposition between a long and short direction. It's all in disarray, and backwards. For him.
GETHRON: Note a throne in disarray, for him.
ORODRETH: An entrance, an article and a direction. All in the muddle. For a king.
TURIN: Boaz's wife returns endlessly. Add a preposition for a tragic hero.
HURIN: An element precedes muddled destruction, for him.

[Huinesoron]

That last R...

A preposition between a long and short direction. It's all in disarray, and backwards. For him.

'backwards' suggests the R is the final letter. I think it likely that the R is the 'short direction' - I can't easily come up with either prepositions or directions which include the letter!

I think the structure is [direction written in full] + [preposition] + R, with a bit of scrambling between the two words. But I haven't been able to come up with a name that fits.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Tried NE and SE and ON to no avail.

Maybe the longer direction is an order. Something like GO or DO.

[Urwen]

Nope.

[Huinesoron]

Nope.

Nope to... which part? :confused:

hS

[Urwen]

All of it.

[Huinesoron]

All of it.

I hope this applied only to Pervinca's guesses, because I think it's Gethron's buddy GRITHNIR, who neatly fits the structure I described in my post. He's RIGHT + IN + R, with the first two words scrambled, and then run backwards for the R.

hS

[Urwen]

NIENOR: Something that knights say, England and a conjuction, all for her.
AERIN: Air, right now. In disarray, she is there.
RAGNIR: He is full of enthusiasm (Rearranged)
NELLAS: Returning direction and a male name lead to her.

ELWE: Spanish article and pronoun form an Elven king.

RODAS: In a mirror, things that go on and on reveal him.
ANDROG: God ran in circles. He appears.
CUTHALION: Transition (movie-wise) an evil robot and a particle come together for him.
HUNTHOR: An ancient nomad tribe, sans direction, and a Norse God. For someone done in by a rock.

MORWEN: Confused ladies find a way, for her.
ORLEG: Maeglin loses a head, for him.
RINHTIRG: A preposition between a long and short direction. It's all in disarray, and backwards. For him.
GETHRON: Note a throne in disarray, for him.
ORODRETH: An entrance, an article and a direction. All in the muddle. For a king.
TURIN: Boaz's wife returns endlessly. Add a preposition for a tragic hero.
HURIN: An element precedes muddled destruction, for him.

And over to you.

[Huinesoron]

And over to you.

Phew! Because I'd never even heard of him and only ran into him when going through the various answers' pages to see if there were any clues. :D

Okay, difficulty level might be a bit patchwork on this, you know how it goes:

1. - An older sister, almost a maid, lies nearly backward at first.
2. - The king is back - let a criminal rat be back too.
3. - From beginning to end, a massage from the midst of Hell for the father of kings.
4. - The tall game of removal: a short Russian holds the three of diamonds (fake) at the back.
5. - Look northward, bow, glare - or something like that, anyway.
6. - Break a hire around a torn and shortened roll, end up younger by half.
7. - Turn tail, jeweller! Fear the doubled vowel with no injection.
8. - In the middle of the evening, they are when you forget, eh?

At least some answers are not using the first letter, and the clues say as much.

hS

[Urwen]

2. Tar-Calion?

[Urwen]

6. Elrohir? (HIRE+ROL(L))

[Urwen]

7. Feanor (Fear+no)?

[Huinesoron]

2. Tar-Calion?

I mean, it fits him, but no.

6. Elrohir? (HIRE+ROL(L))

Correct! And good, because that was the last one I managed to write, and I didn't like it. ;)

1. - An older sister, almost a maid, lies nearly backward at first.
2. - The king is back - let a criminal rat be back too.
3. - From beginning to end, a massage from the midst of Hell for the father of kings.
4. - The tall game of removal: a short Russian holds the three of diamonds (fake) at the back.
5. - Look northward, bow, glare - or something like that, anyway.
ELROHIR - Break a hire around a torn and shortened roll, end up younger by half.
7. - Turn tail, jeweller! Fear the doubled vowel with no injection.
8. - In the middle of the evening, they are when you forget, eh?

hS

[Urwen]

Hmmm...2 could refer to Wormtail...

And is Feanor incorrect too?

[Huinesoron]

Hmmm...2 could refer to Wormtail...

:D No, it doesn't, but that's funny.

And is Feanor incorrect too?

I think that one was posted right as I was writing the post; I tend to respond to every guess, so if I've not said anything I probably haven't gotten to it yet.

Anyway, FEANOR is very close but not quite right on #7.

hS

[Urwen]

So then 2 is either Tar-Telperien or Tar-Telemmaite. Or possibly Tarannon...

[Huinesoron]

So then 2 is either Tar-Telperien or Tar-Telemmaite. Or possibly Tarannon...

It is not, though it seems like you've got two of the three elements. It doesn't start with Tar.

hS

[Urwen]

Telcontar (TEL+CON+TAR)

[Huinesoron]

Telcontar (TEL+CON+TAR)

Correct! Lots of 'back' in that clue...

1. - An older sister, almost a maid, lies nearly backward at first.
TELCONTAR - The king is back - let a criminal rat be back too.
3. - From beginning to end, a massage from the midst of Hell for the father of kings.
4. - The tall game of removal: a short Russian holds the three of diamonds (fake) at the back.
5. - Look northward, bow, glare - or something like that, anyway.
ELROHIR - Break a hire around a torn and shortened roll, end up younger by half.
7. - Turn tail, jeweller! Fear the doubled vowel with no injection.
8. - In the middle of the evening, they are when you forget, eh?

hS

[Urwen]

1 is Arwen, and 3 is Elros, somehow.

[Pervinca Took]

1. SILMARIEN.

Most of 'lies' backwards and almost (Maid) Marion.

Elder sister of a king and the foremother of Elendil, I think?

[Huinesoron]

1 is Arwen, and 3 is Elros, somehow.

They are not.

1. SILMARIEN.

Most of 'lies' backwards and almost (Maid) Marion.

Elder sister of a king and the foremother of Elendil, I think?

But she is. :)

SILMARIEN - An older sister, almost a maid, lies nearly backward at first.
TELCONTAR - The king is back - let a criminal rat be back too.
3. - From beginning to end, a massage from the midst of Hell for the father of kings.
4. - The tall game of removal: a short Russian holds the three of diamonds (fake) at the back.
5. - Look northward, bow, glare - or something like that, anyway.
ELROHIR - Break a hire around a torn and shortened roll, end up younger by half.
7. - Turn tail, jeweller! Fear the doubled vowel with no injection.
8. - In the middle of the evening, they are when you forget, eh?

hS

[Urwen]

Who else could be father of Kings?


Possible candidates:
Finwe (doesn't contain EL)
Turgon (doesn't contain EL unless you used Elenwe's husband again)
Huor (doesn't contain EL)
Elendil (the rest of the clue doesn't fit)

[Urwen]

4. The clues suggest Russandol...

[Huinesoron]

Who else could be father of Kings?

Possible candidates:
Finwe (doesn't contain EL)
Turgon (doesn't contain EL unless you used Elenwe's husband again)
Huor (doesn't contain EL)
Elendil (the rest of the clue doesn't fit)

None of these. The answer is an alternate name for the father of a line of kings, and does indeed contain EL (but not as an Elvish element).

4. The clues suggest Russandol...

They may well, but it's nowhere near the answer.

hS

[Urwen]

Rus+dot???

[Huinesoron]

Rus+dot???

Not the correct abbreviation of Russian, and dot is not relevant to the answer.

hS

[Urwen]

3. Earendil? Or Earendel?