Password

[Pervinca Took]

Another great password, Huinesoron!

Here we go again, then:

1. One who loves the dark side swallows double zero, two directions and a note here?
2. Crooked cross. Destruction. And here we are.
3. Circle that draws lines?
4. Charged component in great turmoil for her.
5. Two articles, two liquids, a note and a pronoun. Mix them up to reveal them.
6. In him, a palindrome girl meets a sailor.
7. See the back of the article here, mon ami.
8. He’d be a palindrome, but a note becomes a point.
9. Thank you, trumpet, for perplexing him!
10. He really is almost human!
11. Mix female-born herb for him.
12. Beleg returns, with noted change and edge. Denethor’s little son completes him.
13. Call, master, and see him.
14. Den inside undisclosed igloos? Yes, initially. There they are!
15. This time, a glaring palindrome!
16. Here’s a well-directed start. A Shakespearean snag is mirrored. And HMNB Devonport is sprinkled around.

[Urwen]

12. Celebrimbor?

[Pervinca Took]

1. One who loves the dark side swallows double zero, two directions and a note here?
2. Crooked cross. Destruction. And here we are.
3. Circle that draws lines?
4. Charged component in great turmoil for her.
5. Two articles, two liquids, a note and a pronoun. Mix them up to reveal them.
6. In him, a palindrome girl meets a sailor.
7. See the back of the article here, mon ami.
8. He’d be a palindrome, but a note becomes a point.
9. Thank you, trumpet, for perplexing him!
10. He really is almost human!
11. Mix female-born herb for him.
CELEBRIMBOR: Beleg returns, with noted change and edge. Denethor’s little son completes him.
13. Call, master, and see him.
14. Den inside undisclosed igloos? Yes, initially. There they are!
15. This time, a glaring palindrome!
16. Here’s a well-directed start. A Shakespearean snag is mirrored. And HMNB Devonport is sprinkled around.

[Urwen]

10. Huan

[Pervinca Took]

1. One who loves the dark side swallows double zero, two directions and a note here?
2. Crooked cross. Destruction. And here we are.
3. Circle that draws lines?
4. Charged component in great turmoil for her.
5. Two articles, two liquids, a note and a pronoun. Mix them up to reveal them.
6. In him, a palindrome girl meets a sailor.
7. See the back of the article here, mon ami.
8. He’d be a palindrome, but a note becomes a point.
9. Thank you, trumpet, for perplexing him!
HUAN: He really is almost human!
11. Mix female-born herb for him.
CELEBRIMBOR: Beleg returns, with noted change and edge. Denethor’s little son completes him.
13. Call, master, and see him.
14. Den inside undisclosed igloos? Yes, initially. There they are!
15. This time, a glaring palindrome!
16. Here’s a well-directed start. A Shakespearean snag is mirrored. And HMNB Devonport is sprinkled around.

[Huinesoron]

#13 seems to point to RING-LORD, but I'm not sure Tolkien uses that term.

Actually, #3 seems like it might be a 'ring' clue as well, but I'm not sure what.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. One who loves the dark side swallows double zero, two directions and a note here?
2. Crooked cross. Destruction. And here we are.
3. Circle that draws lines?
4. Charged component in great turmoil for her.
5. Two articles, two liquids, a note and a pronoun. Mix them up to reveal them.
6. In him, a palindrome girl meets a sailor.
7. See the back of the article here, mon ami.
8. He’d be a palindrome, but a note becomes a point.
9. Thank you, trumpet, for perplexing him!
HUAN: He really is almost human!
11. Mix female-born herb for him.
CELEBRIMBOR: Beleg returns, with noted change and edge. Denethor’s little son completes him.
RINGLORD: Call, master, and see him.
14. Den inside undisclosed igloos? Yes, initially. There they are!
15. This time, a glaring palindrome!
16. Here’s a well-directed start. A Shakespearean snag is mirrored. And HMNB Devonport is sprinkled around.

Your hunch about Clue 3 is right, too.

[Huinesoron]

... it's RULING RING, isn't it?

#9: A long shot, but this could be TANTA (Ta'n'Ta) HORNBLOWER. I suspect 'perplexing' points at an anagram, though.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. One who loves the dark side swallows double zero, two directions and a note here?
2. Crooked cross. Destruction. And here we are.
RULING RING: Circle that draws lines?
4. Charged component in great turmoil for her.
5. Two articles, two liquids, a note and a pronoun. Mix them up to reveal them.
6. In him, a palindrome girl meets a sailor.
7. See the back of the article here, mon ami.
8. He’d be a palindrome, but a note becomes a point.
9. Thank you, trumpet, for perplexing him!
HUAN: He really is almost human!
11. Mix female-born herb for him.
CELEBRIMBOR: Beleg returns, with noted change and edge. Denethor’s little son completes him.
RINGLORD: Call, master, and see him.
14. Den inside undisclosed igloos? Yes, initially. There they are!
15. This time, a glaring palindrome!
16. Here’s a well-directed start. A Shakespearean snag is mirrored. And HMNB Devonport is sprinkled around.

You need a different synonym for 'clarion.'

[Huinesoron]

You need a different synonym for 'clarion.'

I feel bad for you for doing this, but I'm going to take the clue: TAR-CALION (Ta clarion) for #9.

Which definitely puts a Sauron theme of some kind on the whole password.

hS

[Galadriel55]

I love the Huan clue. It is so punny! :D

6. ANNATAR

[Pervinca Took]

1. One who loves the dark side swallows double zero, two directions and a note here?
2. Crooked cross. Destruction. And here we are.
RULING RING: Circle that draws lines?
4. Charged component in great turmoil for her.
5. Two articles, two liquids, a note and a pronoun. Mix them up to reveal them.
ANNATAR: In him, a palindrome girl meets a sailor.
7. See the back of the article here, mon ami.
8. He’d be a palindrome, but a note becomes a point.
TAR-CALION: Thank you, trumpet, for perplexing him!
HUAN: He really is almost human!
11. Mix female-born herb for him.
CELEBRIMBOR: Beleg returns, with noted change and edge. Denethor’s little son completes him.
RINGLORD: Call, master, and see him.
14. Den inside undisclosed igloos? Yes, initially. There they are!
15. This time, a glaring palindrome!
16. Here’s a well-directed start. A Shakespearean snag is mirrored. And HMNB Devonport is sprinkled around.

Hoist with me own synonym, to be sure! ;)

[Urwen]

I feel bad for you for doing this, but I'm going to take the clue: TAR-CALION (Ta clarion) for #9.

Which definitely puts a Sauron theme of some kind on the whole password.

hS

Allow me to say that I hate that guy. Hate him.

Interesting info: His name might stem from the elvish 'arpho', which means 'seizer'.

[Galadriel55]

GORTHAUR THE CRUEL for password?

2. ORODRUIN, from O...RUIN?

[Pervinca Took]

G: One who loves the dark side swallows double zero, two directions and a note here?
ORODRUIN: Crooked cross. Destruction. And here we are.
RULING RING: Circle that draws lines?
T: Charged component in great turmoil for her.
H: Two articles, two liquids, a note and a pronoun. Mix them up to reveal them.
ANNATAR: In him, a palindrome girl meets a sailor.
U: See the back of the article here, mon ami.
R: He’d be a palindrome, but a note becomes a point.

TAR-CALION: Thank you, trumpet, for perplexing him!
HUAN: He really is almost human!
E: Mix female-born herb for him.

CELEBRIMBOR: Beleg returns, with noted change and edge. Denethor’s little son completes him.
RINGLORD: Call, master, and see him.
U: Den inside undisclosed igloos? Yes, initially. There they are!
E: This time, a glaring palindrome!
L: Here’s a well-directed start. A Shakespearean snag is mirrored. And HMNB Devonport is sprinkled around.

ORODRUIN is ROOD made crooked, plus RUIN.

[Galadriel55]

UDUN for the first U, because un + du, both French articles?

And ULAIRI for the other U: U(ndisclosed) + LAIR + I(gloos)

For 1 I kept thinking the dark side lover had to be something like Sith... But working backwards, it becomes GOTH + OO + RR + G = GORGOROTH

[Pervinca Took]

GORGOROTH: One who loves the dark side swallows double zero, two directions and a note here?
ORODRUIN: Crooked cross. Destruction. And here we are.
RULING RING: Circle that draws lines?
T: Charged component in great turmoil for her.
H: Two articles, two liquids, a note and a pronoun. Mix them up to reveal them.
ANNATAR: In him, a palindrome girl meets a sailor.
UDUN: See the back of the article here, mon ami.
R: He’d be a palindrome, but a note becomes a point.

TAR-CALION: Thank you, trumpet, for perplexing him!
HUAN: He really is almost human!
E: Mix female-born herb for him.

CELEBRIMBOR: Beleg returns, with noted change and edge. Denethor’s little son completes him.
RINGLORD: Call, master, and see him.
ULAIRI: Den inside undisclosed igloos? Yes, initially. There they are!
E: This time, a glaring palindrome!
L: Here’s a well-directed start. A Shakespearean snag is mirrored. And HMNB Devonport is sprinkled around.

Good work!

UDUN is DU, the French for 'of the,' backwards, then the article, UN.

[Huinesoron]

Is the R RODNOR, aka Gil-Galad of disputed parentage? With the second 'D' that would make it a palindrome turning into N which... has points, I guess?

And based purely on 'her', and the relatively low number of women who've run into Sauron: is T TINUVIEL? (I really wanted to find an anagram of 'battery', or maybe 'capacitor', but... ;))

hS

[Huinesoron]

Interesting info: His name might stem from the elvish 'arpho', which means 'seizer'.

The image of the Faithful coming up with snarky folk etymologies for the King's Men's names amuses me immensely.

There's a Primitive Elvish rood 'Arga', dread, dreadful which could be similarly interpreted as the source of Ar-Gimilzor. ;)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

GORGOROTH: One who loves the dark side swallows double zero, two directions and a note here?
ORODRUIN: Crooked cross. Destruction. And here we are.
RULING RING: Circle that draws lines?
TINUVIEL: Charged component in great turmoil for her. (Bested by her)
H: Two articles, two liquids, a note and a pronoun. Mix them up to reveal them.
ANNATAR: In him, a palindrome girl meets a sailor.
UDUN: See the back of the article here, mon ami.
RODNOR: He’d be a palindrome, but a note becomes a point. (His bane)

TAR-CALION: Thank you, trumpet, for perplexing him! (Deceived him)
HUAN: He really is almost human! (Bested him)
E: Mix female-born herb for him.

CELEBRIMBOR: Beleg returns, with noted change and edge. Denethor’s little son completes him. (Had him executed)
RINGLORD: Call, master, and see him.
ULAIRI: Den inside undisclosed igloos? Yes, initially. There they are!
E: This time, a glaring palindrome!
L: Here’s a well-directed start. A Shakespearean snag is mirrored. And HMNB Devonport is sprinkled around.

I think TINUVIEL must have been LIVE UNIT.

[Huinesoron]

Oh! Is the final E EYE?

hS

[Pervinca Took]

GORGOROTH: One who loves the dark side swallows double zero, two directions and a note here?
ORODRUIN: Crooked cross. Destruction. And here we are.
RULING RING: Circle that draws lines?
TINUVIEL: Charged component in great turmoil for her. (Bested by her)
H: Two articles, two liquids, a note and a pronoun. Mix them up to reveal them.
ANNATAR: In him, a palindrome girl meets a sailor.
UDUN: See the back of the article here, mon ami.
RODNOR: He’d be a palindrome, but a note becomes a point. (His bane)

TAR-CALION: Thank you, trumpet, for perplexing him! (Deceived him)
HUAN: He really is almost human! (Bested him)
E: Mix female-born herb for him.

CELEBRIMBOR: Beleg returns, with noted change and edge. Denethor’s little son completes him. (Had him executed)
RINGLORD: Call, master, and see him.
ULAIRI: Den inside undisclosed igloos? Yes, initially. There they are!
EYE: This time, a glaring palindrome!
L: Here’s a well-directed start. A Shakespearean snag is mirrored. And HMNB Devonport is sprinkled around.

It is. And the 'Shakespearean' word for snag/problem in the L clue can be found in the most famous of Hamlet's soliloquies.

[Urwen]

I found the word, but Lugburz is the only thing that makes sense given the word and the theme. But I don't see how LUGZ = HMNB Devonport?

[Pervinca Took]

GORGOROTH: One who loves the dark side swallows double zero, two directions and a note here?
ORODRUIN: Crooked cross. Destruction. And here we are.
RULING RING: Circle that draws lines?
TINUVIEL: Charged component in great turmoil for her. (Bested by her)
H: Two articles, two liquids, a note and a pronoun. Mix them up to reveal them.
ANNATAR: In him, a palindrome girl meets a sailor.
UDUN: See the back of the article here, mon ami.
RODNOR: He’d be a palindrome, but a note becomes a point. (His bane)

TAR-CALION: Thank you, trumpet, for perplexing him! (Deceived him)
HUAN: He really is almost human! (Bested him)
E: Mix female-born herb for him.

CELEBRIMBOR: Beleg returns, with noted change and edge. Denethor’s little son completes him. (Had him executed)
RINGLORD: Call, master, and see him.
ULAIRI: Den inside undisclosed igloos? Yes, initially. There they are!
EYE: This time, a glaring palindrome!
LUGBURZ: Here’s a well-directed start. A Shakespearean snag is mirrored. And HMNB Devonport is sprinkled around.

For some reason - and I have no idea why - the barracks at HMNB Devonport have the nickname GUZ. I became aware of a place/thing called GUZ when I read a Charles Causley poem called 'Song of the Dying Gunner,' which has a line that goes 'Farewell Aggie Weston, the barracks at Guz.'

'To sleep, perchance to dream - ay, there's the RUB.' ('Mirror' it).

And 'well-directed start' tells you to put a direction, (L, as it happens), at the beginning.

...

Two to go!

[Urwen]

I already know about rub, so you didn't have to explain that too (unless of course, you explained for the benefit of everyone else), but I see. :)

[Galadriel55]

Oh! Is the final E EYE?

Noooo. Pervinca, you're killing me. :D



For the H, based on "them" it likely refers to a group of people - so maybe HARADRIM? Has HIM + 2xA + D (and RR somehow makes 2 liquids?)


PS: Huey, a "point" is a compass point - in this case N for North.

[Pervinca Took]

GORGOROTH: One who loves the dark side swallows double zero, two directions and a note here?
ORODRUIN: Crooked cross. Destruction. And here we are.
RULING RING: Circle that draws lines?
TINUVIEL: Charged component in great turmoil for her. (Bested by her)
HARADRIM: Two articles, two liquids, a note and a pronoun. Mix them up to reveal them.
ANNATAR: In him, a palindrome girl meets a sailor.
UDUN: See the back of the article here, mon ami.
RODNOR: He’d be a palindrome, but a note becomes a point. (His bane)

TAR-CALION: Thank you, trumpet, for perplexing him! (Deceived him)
HUAN: He really is almost human! (Bested him)
E: Mix female-born herb for him.

CELEBRIMBOR: Beleg returns, with noted change and edge. Denethor’s little son completes him. (Had him executed)
RINGLORD: Call, master, and see him.
ULAIRI: Den inside undisclosed igloos? Yes, initially. There they are!
EYE: This time, a glaring palindrome!
LUGBURZ: Here’s a well-directed start. A Shakespearean snag is mirrored. And HMNB Devonport is sprinkled around.

Perfectly correct, Galadriel. :)

Which clue were you referring to with the compass point - is it in another recent password?

A CLUE for the one remaining unsolved answer: what's the female form of a term that means 'born,' that you tend to find on firms, passports, etc? ;)

[Urwen]

Well, the only term I could find is 'issued', but I can't find female term for that.

[Pervinca Took]

It's a French term.

[Urwen]

Naissance?

[Galadriel55]

It would be née, I guess. Ah. ELENDIL = NEE + DILL.

[Pervinca Took]

GORGOROTH: One who loves the dark side swallows double zero, two directions and a note here?
ORODRUIN: Crooked cross. Destruction. And here we are.
RULING RING: Circle that draws lines?
TINUVIEL: Charged component in great turmoil for her. (Bested by her)
HARADRIM: Two articles, two liquids, a note and a pronoun. Mix them up to reveal them.
ANNATAR: In him, a palindrome girl meets a sailor.
UDUN: See the back of the article here, mon ami.
RODNOR: He’d be a palindrome, but a note becomes a point. (His bane)

TAR-CALION: Thank you, trumpet, for perplexing him! (Deceived him)
HUAN: He really is almost human! (Bested him)
ELENDIL: Mix female-born herb for him. (His bane)

CELEBRIMBOR: Beleg returns, with noted change and edge. Denethor’s little son completes him. (Had him executed)
RINGLORD: Call, master, and see him.
ULAIRI: Den inside undisclosed igloos? Yes, initially. There they are!
EYE: This time, a glaring palindrome!
LUGBURZ: Here’s a well-directed start. A Shakespearean snag is mirrored. And HMNB Devonport is sprinkled around.

And over to Galadriel! :)

[Galadriel55]

Yay! :) I loved that password. Especially the Huan and Eye clues. ^.^

Which clue were you referring to with the compass point - is it in another recent password?

No, just the Rodnor one.




Here's a short one:

1. Christian prayer by pagan priest - unnoted and confused at last.
2. Outlaw's band - no, not that kind.
3. In Spanish meadowlands it gets so disoriented, it goes in two directions and is still broken.
4. No frost does stir the second here.
5. "What? Rhubarb?" said the Gaffer, "I wouldn't know if it grows there, but let me tell you, the best vegetables grow on the east side."

[Pervinca Took]

4. FORNOST. (And your weather report is probably right, too!)

[Galadriel55]

Correct!

1. Christian prayer by pagan priest - unnoted and confused at last.
2. Outlaw's band - no, not that kind.
3. In Spanish meadowlands it gets so disoriented, it goes in two directions and is still broken.
4. FORNOST: No frost does stir the second here.
5. "What? Rhubarb?" said the Gaffer, "I wouldn't know if it grows there, but let me tell you, the best vegetables grow on the east side."

[Huinesoron]

#5: I'm wondering if the Gaffer is a little deaf, and the unknown speaker (let's assume Khamul) actually said RHUDAUR or RHUNAER.

Not sure there's evidence of taters in the Trollshaws or Neldoreth - oh, I'm sorry, 'the unnamed forest east of the Sea of Rhun' - but I suppose they could grow there.

hS

[Galadriel55]

1. Christian prayer by pagan priest - unnoted and confused at last.
2. Outlaw's band - no, not that kind.
3. In Spanish meadowlands it gets so disoriented, it goes in two directions and is still broken.
4. FORNOST: No frost does stir the second here.
5. RHUDAUR: "What? Rhubarb?" said the Gaffer, "I wouldn't know if it grows there, but let me tell you, the best vegetables grow on the east side."


Rhudaur is correct! No idea what vegetables they grew there, but it's "on the east side", so to speak. Poor deaf Gaffer.

[Urwen]

Password: Arnor?

[Huinesoron]

Password: Arnor?

Beat me to it (by ten minutes).

Which suggests ANNUMINAS for #1, containing 'Amen' for the Christian prayer (minus the note E), and... some anagram of 'nuinas' for the priest.

hS

[Galadriel55]

1. A: Christian prayer by pagan priest - unnoted and confused at last.
2. R: Outlaw's band - no, not that kind.
3. N: In Spanish meadowlands it gets so disoriented, it goes in two directions and is still broken.
4. FORNOST: No frost does stir the second here.
5. RHUDAUR: "What? Rhubarb?" said the Gaffer, "I wouldn't know if it grows there, but let me tell you, the best vegetables grow on the east side."



Which suggests ANNUMINAS for #1, containing 'Amen' for the Christian prayer (minus the note E), and... some anagram of 'nuinas' for the priest.

"Eh? No neeps here. But the best vegetables grow on the east side!"

Not Annuminas. (And before that sentence above gets misinterpreted, it's not meant as a clue). For an actual clue, you need to find a different Christian prayer.

[Huinesoron]

How about AVE + DRUI(D) = ARVEDUI Last-King?

hS

[Galadriel55]

How about AVE + DRUI(D) = ARVEDUI Last-King?

hS

Indeed so!


1. ARVEDUI: Christian prayer by pagan priest - unnoted and confused at last.
2. R: Outlaw's band - no, not that kind.
3. N: In Spanish meadowlands it gets so disoriented, it goes in two directions and is still broken.
4. FORNOST: No frost does stir the second here.
5. RHUDAUR: "What? Rhubarb?" said the Gaffer, "I wouldn't know if it grows there, but let me tell you, the best vegetables grow on the east side."

[Huinesoron]

If #2 is purely a straight clue, it could be RUFFIANS or RANGERS. (At one point I considered Thorin's Company, an actual band, but not with the R.)

For #3, 'meadow' in Spanish is apparently either 'prado' or 'pradera'... but also the rain in Spain is noted for falling mainly on the plains.

hS

[Galadriel55]

If #2 is purely a straight clue, it could be RUFFIANS or RANGERS. (At one point I considered Thorin's Company, an actual band, but not with the R.)

These are all one kind of band. And none are what you are looking for.

For #3, 'meadow' in Spanish is apparently either 'prado' or 'pradera'... but also the rain in Spain is noted for falling mainly on the plains.

hS

The rain does tend to fall on the plain in Spain, indeed.

[Huinesoron]

These are all one kind of band. And none are what you are looking for.

Is this a reference to the RUBBER band famously used by Bill Ferny to trap the hobbits in their room in the Pony? :D

hS

[Galadriel55]

Is this a reference to the RUBBER band famously used by Bill Ferny to trap the hobbits in their room in the Pony? :D

:D

No. A different sort of material altogether. ;) But you are on the right track with rubber, sort of.

The bands of both kinds are specific.

[Huinesoron]

#3: just spotted 'is still broken', so RAIN + S(outh) + L(eft) = NARSIL?

#2: I have to check... it's not ROCK, right?

hS

[Galadriel55]

1. ARVEDUI: Christian prayer by pagan priest - unnoted and confused at last.
2. R: Outlaw's band - no, not that kind.
3. NARSIL: In Spanish meadowlands it gets so disoriented, it goes in two directions and is still broken.
4. FORNOST: No frost does stir the second here.
5. RHUDAUR: "What? Rhubarb?" said the Gaffer, "I wouldn't know if it grows there, but let me tell you, the best vegetables grow on the east side."




#2: I have to check... it's not ROCK, right?

Oh, you are gonna kick yourself so much.

Can you think of an outlaw who had more than one kind of band? Forget the Arnor theme for this one, it might be easier to start broad. Once you have the right outlaw and band, you will see how it connects back. But think outside of Arnor for now.

[Huinesoron]

Oh, you are gonna kick yourself so much.

Can you think of an outlaw who had more than one kind of band? Forget the Arnor theme for this one, it might be easier to start broad. Once you have the right outlaw and band, you will see how it connects back. But think outside of Arnor for now.

...

...

... it's RING OF BARAHIR, isn't it?

In my defence, I haven't had to draw the ring yet...!

hS

[Galadriel55]

I had a band, loyal and keen...

I barely started cryptifying the clue when the play on band struck me, and it was too good to pass up.


1. ARVEDUI: Christian prayer by pagan priest - unnoted and confused at last.
2. RING OF BARAHIR: Outlaw's band - no, not that kind.
3. NARSIL: In Spanish meadowlands it gets so disoriented, it goes in two directions and is still broken.
4. FORNOST: No frost does stir the second here.
5. RHUDAUR: "What? Rhubarb?" said the Gaffer, "I wouldn't know if it grows there, but let me tell you, the best vegetables grow on the east side."


And I believe it's over to Urwen!

[Urwen]

This one is for Huey, who solved most of the clues

1. A rodent scurries backwards, joining A noteless baby cow and a charged atom for him.
2. A pronoun, a state of mind and a vowel reveal him.
3. One of the titular characters. Take the second.
4. The limping evil dude. Take the second.
5. He is lupine with a vowel switch. Take the fourth.

[Huinesoron]

It's for me? Well, here is me.

#1: I cheerfully wrote this down as "Tar-Alfion" before recognising that there's multiple notes in 'calf'. TAR-CALION, right?

#4: ... actually, does Tolkien have more than one limping character? I don't think Brandir counts as evil, unless you're a fanatical Turin partisan.

...

BRANDIR?

hS

[Urwen]

No to Brandir. :p

[Galadriel55]

Sador Labadal was another limping dude, but also not evil. HOWEVER, didn't MORGOTH limp as well, after Fingolfin poked him in the foot?

[Urwen]

TAR-CALION: A rodent scurries backwards, joining A noteless baby cow and a charged atom for him.
2. A pronoun, a state of mind and a vowel reveal him.
3. One of the titular characters. Take the second.
4. The limping evil dude. Take the second.
5. He is lupine with a vowel switch. Take the fourth.

3 and 4 fit the theme in a different way.

[Urwen]

Sador Labadal was another limping dude, but also not evil. HOWEVER, didn't MORGOTH limp as well, after Fingolfin poked him in the foot?


Oh, your second guess has the right evil dude, but is not quite correct.

[Galadriel55]

Melkor, then?

And Wulf for the lupine dude.

[Urwen]

TAR-CALION: A rodent scurries backwards, joining A noteless baby cow and a charged atom for him.
2. A pronoun, a state of mind and a vowel reveal him.
3. One of the titular characters. Take the second.
MELKOR: The limping evil dude. Take the second.
WULF: He is lupine with a vowel switch. Take the fourth.

:)

[Huinesoron]

Ah! If the titular character is BILBO, then the password can be THIEF.

hS

[Urwen]

TAR-CALION: A rodent scurries backwards, joining A noteless baby cow and a charged atom for him.
H: A pronoun, a state of mind and a vowel reveal him.
BILBO: One of the titular characters. Take the second.
MELKOR: The limping evil dude. Take the second.
WULF: He is lupine with a vowel switch. Take the fourth.

Now the old king's dead, long live the Queen! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvgZkm1xWPE)

[Galadriel55]

One to go!

Given the limited number of names that start with a H-pronoun, I would go with HERUCALMO, though I admit I did not remember him and looked up what he did. He withheld the sceptre from his son, so I suppose that counts as stealing.

Because of the vowel at the end I was actually thinking more along the lines of Rohirric names at first, and came to Herefara - who actually fits the cryptic parts quite well but not the theme.

[Urwen]

Because of the vowel at the end I was actually thinking more along the lines of Rohirric names at first, and came to Herefara - who actually fits the cryptic parts quite well but not the theme.

How does refar/efar = state of mind?

[Urwen]

TAR-CALION: A rodent scurries backwards, joining A noteless baby cow and a charged atom for him.
HERUCALMO: A pronoun, a state of mind and a vowel reveal him.
BILBO: One of the titular characters. Take the second.
MELKOR: The limping evil dude. Take the second.
WULF: He is lupine with a vowel switch. Take the fourth.

I made a mistake with the clue. I should have said 'two vowels' rather than 'a vowel'.

I also wanted to put in Castamir, but couldn't fit a letter anywhere. The important ones were included, though, so you win some, you lose some. Bilbo and Phary provided the crux of the theme.

Over to Huey.

;)

[Galadriel55]

How does refar/efar = state of mind?

It's an anagram of "fear".

Anyways, I liked that password! It's a cool theme!

[Urwen]

#4: ... actually, does Tolkien have more than one limping character? I don't think Brandir counts as evil, unless you're a fanatical Turin partisan.

...

BRANDIR?

hS


By the way, if I am anyone's fanatical partisan, it'd be Morleg's. *points to signature*

[Huinesoron]

By the way, if I am anyone's fanatical partisan, it'd be Morleg's. *points to signature*

I am fully confident you can fanatically partisate any number of people. :D

That was fun! I did spend a little while looking for where Castamir could lie once Pharazon and Wulf had shown up. I also repeatedly came back to Herugrim, Theoden's sword, which fits the cryptic parts of #2 perfectly.

This one is... well.

1. - The conqueror fights within? Say it shorter, flighty one.
2. - "Article," quoth the pirate; I am a pattern named for the sun.
3. - Spell the water the old way - with a kick!
4. - Spell it out: N, L, the (archaic), and marry her third.
5. - Go back to noodles with a different filling - sounds like a police siren?!
6. - The east is red - or a vowel vehicle in back.
7. - The first is the least. The pirate agrees, so turn it on its head.
8. - An elephant loses the beginning of its confused happiness, but gains the end of Margreet Zelle - behold the queen!
9. - Rings around the lower back.
10. - Seven set power around.
11. - A chemical in a swamp? Send the shephard away to find the lamenter.
12. - T. rex bangs it, the first gnomes start to end - this comes first.

(I just wrote this but I've already forgotten what the password is, so hope you're all on form! :eek:)

hS

[Urwen]

I think I know who 8 is... :smokin:

[Urwen]

8 is either Telperien or Zimraphel/Miriel, but based on the clues, I am leaning towards the former...

[Huinesoron]

8 is either Telperien or Zimraphel/Miriel, but based on the clues, I am leaning towards the former...

It is neither. I do know more than two queens in Arda, y'know. ;)

EDIT: I've stuck an extra word into the middle of that clue for clarity.

hS

[Urwen]

And 10 is Rings of Power. Specifically, Dwarven Rings.

[Urwen]

That's more like it.

[Huinesoron]

New page:

1. - The conqueror fights within? Say it shorter, flighty one.
2. - "Article," quoth the pirate; I am a pattern named for the sun.
3. - Spell the water the old way - with a kick!
4. - Spell it out: N, L, the (archaic), and marry her third.
5. - Go back to noodles with a different filling - sounds like a police siren?!
6. - The east is red - or a vowel vehicle in back.
7. - The first is the least. The pirate agrees, so turn it on its head.
8. - An elephant loses the beginning of its confused happiness, but gains the end of Margreet Zelle - behold the queen!
9. - Rings around the lower back.
10. - Seven set power around.
11. - A chemical in a swamp? Send the shephard away to find the lamenter.
12. - T. rex bangs it, the first gnomes start to end - this comes first.

And 10 is Rings of Power. Specifically, Dwarven Rings.

It is also not, though 'seven' is indeed an accurate count.

hS

[Urwen]

All right, the closest I can think of for 8 is Elentari, where ELEPHANT loses H and P, and then we get ELEANT, and then it makes no sense.

[Huinesoron]

All right, the closest I can think of for 8 is Elentari, where ELEPHANT loses H and P, and then we get ELEANT, and then it makes no sense.

Margreet Zelle is the birth name of Mata HARI. :) And elephant also loses the A of 'HAPpy'. :)

1. - The conqueror fights within? Say it shorter, flighty one.
2. - "Article," quoth the pirate; I am a pattern named for the sun.
3. - Spell the water the old way - with a kick!
4. - Spell it out: N, L, the (archaic), and marry her third.
5. - Go back to noodles with a different filling - sounds like a police siren?!
6. - The east is red - or a vowel vehicle in back.
7. - The first is the least. The pirate agrees, so turn it on its head.
ELENTARI - An elephant loses the beginning of its confused happiness, but gains the end of Margreet Zelle - behold the queen!
9. - Rings around the lower back.
10. - Seven set power around.
11. - A chemical in a swamp? Send the shephard away to find the lamenter.
12. - T. rex bangs it, the first gnomes start to end - this comes first.

hS

[Galadriel55]

Is 1 somehow Wilwarin, from William the Conqueror? Will+War+?

[Huinesoron]

Is 1 somehow Wilwarin, from William the Conqueror? Will+War+?

'in', a shorter form of within.

WILWARIN - The conqueror fights within? Say it shorter, flighty one.
2. - "Article," quoth the pirate; I am a pattern named for the sun.
3. - Spell the water the old way - with a kick!
4. - Spell it out: N, L, the (archaic), and marry her third.
5. - Go back to noodles with a different filling - sounds like a police siren?!
6. - The east is red - or a vowel vehicle in back.
7. - The first is the least. The pirate agrees, so turn it on its head.
ELENTARI - An elephant loses the beginning of its confused happiness, but gains the end of Margreet Zelle - behold the queen!
9. - Rings around the lower back.
10. - Seven set power around.
11. - A chemical in a swamp? Send the shephard away to find the lamenter.
12. - T. rex bangs it, the first gnomes start to end - this comes first.

hS

[Galadriel55]

#2 - acticle = AN + pirate quoth = AR gives ANAR, but I am not sure where the "pattern comes in. It makes it sound like there is something beyond ANAR. But all that comes to mind are names like Anarion and Anardil, which don't really describe patterns either.

[Huinesoron]

#2 - acticle = AN + pirate quoth = AR gives ANAR, but I am not sure where the "pattern comes in. It makes it sound like there is something beyond ANAR. But all that comes to mind are names like Anarion and Anardil, which don't really describe patterns either.

'Anar' is the right start (just about), but 'pattern' is the beginning of the straight clue; there's something else between.

hS

[Urwen]

Anarrima (AN+ARR+IM+A)

[Huinesoron]

Anarrima (AN+ARR+IM+A)

That's the one!

WILWARIN - The conqueror fights within? Say it shorter, flighty one.
ANARRIMA - "Article," quoth the pirate; I am a pattern named for the sun.
3. - Spell the water the old way - with a kick!
4. - Spell it out: N, L, the (archaic), and marry her third.
5. - Go back to noodles with a different filling - sounds like a police siren?!
6. - The east is red - or a vowel vehicle in back.
7. - The first is the least. The pirate agrees, so turn it on its head.
ELENTARI - An elephant loses the beginning of its confused happiness, but gains the end of Margreet Zelle - behold the queen!
9. - Rings around the lower back.
10. - Seven set power around.
11. - A chemical in a swamp? Send the shephard away to find the lamenter.
12. - T. rex bangs it, the first gnomes start to end - this comes first.

hS

[Galadriel55]

6 sounds like Carnil, as it is "car" as in red and as in vehicle.

[Huinesoron]

6 sounds like Carnil, as it is "car" as in red and as in vehicle.

'car' is the correct element for both of those, but it's not Carnil.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

'Seven set' suggests Orion. Could it be MENELMACAR, meaning 'Warrior of the sky?' Only because that name seems the closest to indicating power. 'Around' suggests scrambling a synonym of power, but I can't see one.

[Huinesoron]

'Seven sets' suggests Orion. Could it be MENELMACAR, meaning 'Warrior of the sky?' Only because that name seems the closest to indicating power. 'Around' suggests scrambling a synonym of power, but I can't see one.

You're kind of on the right track, but why Orion? He's not particularly famous for his seven-ness (though I guess he does have seven main stars + the nebula... there's a lot of sevenness going on in the night sky, actually).

No anagrams involved. :)

hS

[Urwen]

10. Valacirca (Valar+circle)?

[Huinesoron]

10. Valacirca (Valar+circle)?

Even simpler than that: Vala (singular, 'Power') + circa ('around, approximately'). :)

They were of course specifically set by Varda as a warning to Melkor.

WILWARIN - The conqueror fights within? Say it shorter, flighty one.
ANARRIMA - "Article," quoth the pirate; I am a pattern named for the sun.
3. - Spell the water the old way - with a kick!
4. - Spell it out: N, L, the (archaic), and marry her third.
5. - Go back to noodles with a different filling - sounds like a police siren?!
6. - The east is red - or a vowel vehicle in back.
7. - The first is the least. The pirate agrees, so turn it on its head.
ELENTARI - An elephant loses the beginning of its confused happiness, but gains the end of Margreet Zelle - behold the queen!
9. - Rings around the lower back.
VALACIRCA - Seven set power around.
11. - A chemical in a swamp? Send the shephard away to find the lamenter.
12. - T. rex bangs it, the first gnomes start to end - this comes first.

hS

[Urwen]

6. Borgil? Bor(n) means 'red' and Bor was an Easterling. Gil means 'star'.

[Huinesoron]

6. Borgil? Bor(n) means 'red' and Bor was an Easterling. Gil means 'star'.

Nope; as said a few posts up, 'car' was the correct element for red (and there's no mention of stars in the clue).

hS

[Urwen]

Well, nothing seems to match the whole clue. Vehicle in the back would suggest Carrac or something...

[Urwen]

But if 'the' is 'ye', then 4 is Enelye, wife of the founder of the Third tribe aka Teleri.

[Huinesoron]

Well, nothing seems to match the whole clue. Vehicle in the back would suggest Carrac or something...

I mean, I promise something does. :D But I didn't say "vehicle in the back"; I just said "in back".

But if 'the' is 'ye', then 4 is Enelye, wife of the founder of the Third tribe aka Teleri.

It's ye olde spelling. ^_^ (Tolkien would hit me for typing that.)

WILWARIN - The conqueror fights within? Say it shorter, flighty one.
ANARRIMA - "Article," quoth the pirate; I am a pattern named for the sun.
3. - Spell the water the old way - with a kick!
ENELYE - Spell it out: N, L, the (archaic), and marry her third.
5. - Go back to noodles with a different filling - sounds like a police siren?!
6. - The east is red - or a vowel vehicle in back.
7. - The first is the least. The pirate agrees, so turn it on its head.
ELENTARI - An elephant loses the beginning of its confused happiness, but gains the end of Margreet Zelle - behold the queen!
9. - Rings around the lower back.
VALACIRCA - Seven set power around.
11. - A chemical in a swamp? Send the shephard away to find the lamenter.
12. - T. rex bangs it, the first gnomes start to end - this comes first.

hS

[Urwen]

Is there another word for 'in the back'?

[Pervinca Took]

Is there another word for 'in the back'?

Rear?

[Urwen]

Carrock?

[Huinesoron]

Is there another word for 'in the back'?

I still didn't say "in the back".

Carrock?

Nope, though you have the right element.

hS

[Urwen]

So it's 'CAR' inside 'BACK'?


Baccark? Bacarck? :confused:

[Huinesoron]

So it's 'CAR' inside 'BACK'?


Baccark? Bacarck? :confused:

Again, I didn't say 'the right elements'... I wasn't talking about the components of the word.

If you break it up right, "or a vowel vehicle in back" literally spells out the answer.

hS

[Urwen]

I don't get it.

[Huinesoron]

A quick hintthrough of the remaining clues:

3. - Spell the water the old way - with a kick!

Two words of this are a straight clue; the rest is orthographic.

5. - Go back to noodles with a different filling - sounds like a police siren?!

'different filling' indicates one letter has been changed.

6. - The east is red - or a vowel vehicle in back.

Everything after the dash is just me spelling out the word; it can be broken into four parts (and you already know that 'vehicle' = car).

7. - The first is the least. The pirate agrees, so turn it on its head.

"The first is | the east. The pirate agrees | so turn it on its head". The last part is neither straight nor cryptic; probably best to ignore it.

9. - Rings around the lower back.

The cryptic clue here is 3 words long and points to a single English word.

11. - A chemical in a swamp? Send the shepherd away to find the lamenter.

The misspelling of 'shepherd' was unintentional. ^_^' Find two words and then remove one; there's only so many 'shepherd' options in Middle-earth, right?

12. - T. rex bangs it, the first gnomes start to end - this comes first.

The T. rex in question is not the dinosaur. :)

hS

[Galadriel55]

6. OROCARNI. (facepalm)

[Huinesoron]

6. OROCARNI. (facepalm)

Or + a vowel + vehicle + in, back(wards). The Red Mountains in the east of Middle-earth.

WILWARIN - The conqueror fights within? Say it shorter, flighty one.
ANARRIMA - "Article," quoth the pirate; I am a pattern named for the sun.
3. - Spell the water the old way - with a kick!
ENELYE - Spell it out: N, L, the (archaic), and marry her third.
5. - Go back to noodles with a different filling - sounds like a police siren?!
OROCARNI - The east is red - or a vowel vehicle in back.
7. - The first is the least. The pirate agrees, so turn it on its head.
ELENTARI - An elephant loses the beginning of its confused happiness, but gains the end of Margreet Zelle - behold the queen!
9. - Rings around the lower back.
VALACIRCA - Seven set power around.
11. - A chemical in a swamp? Send the shephard away to find the lamenter.
12. - T. rex bangs it, the first gnomes start to end - this comes first.

hS

[Urwen]

For 11: Fen + ???t??? - Ent = ??????

[Huinesoron]

For 11: Fen + ???t??? - Ent = ??????

'Ent' is correct for the shepherd, but 'fen' is not. 'Chemical-swamp' is in order, and 'ent' is present with no anagramming necessary.

hS

[Urwen]

Which chemical, though? Or just 'chemical' in general?

[Huinesoron]

Which chemical, though? Or just 'chemical' in general?

That is one of the things you need to figure out, yes. :)

But I'm not a fan of super broad clues. I wouldn't have clued the 'swamp' half with 'landform' or something, for example.

hS

[Urwen]

Right , so Maglor is the answer.


agent - ent = ag, which is also the chemical symbol for silver.



I can't see the swamp bit, so probably not that...unless...

[Huinesoron]

Right , so Maglor is the answer.


agent - ent = ag, which is also the chemical symbol for silver.



I can't see the swamp bit, so probably not that...unless...

Not Maglor, but you're right in removing 'ENT' from the 'chemical' half of the clue.

What sort of chemical is silver?

hS

[Urwen]

Element. Element - ent is ELEM

...It's ELEMMIRE, isn't it?

[Huinesoron]

Element. Element - ent is ELEM

...It's ELEMMIRE, isn't it?

Indeed it is. :)

WILWARIN - The conqueror fights within? Say it shorter, flighty one.
ANARRIMA - "Article," quoth the pirate; I am a pattern named for the sun.
3. - Spell the water the old way - with a kick!
ENELYE - Spell it out: N, L, the (archaic), and marry her third.
5. - Go back to noodles with a different filling - sounds like a police siren?!
OROCARNI - The east is red - or a vowel vehicle in back.
7. - The first is the least. The pirate agrees, so turn it on its head.
ELENTARI - An elephant loses the beginning of its confused happiness, but gains the end of Margreet Zelle - behold the queen!
9. - Rings around the lower back.
VALACIRCA - Seven set power around.
ELEMMIRE - A chemical in a swamp? Send the shepherd away to find the lamenter.
12. - T. rex bangs it, the first gnomes start to end - this comes first.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Wares of elves? :D

[Huinesoron]

Wares of elves? :D

Nope! Though - shockingly - 'elves' is right. ;)

WILWARIN - The conqueror fights within? Say it shorter, flighty one.
ANARRIMA - "Article," quoth the pirate; I am a pattern named for the sun.
3. - Spell the water the old way - with a kick!
ENELYE - Spell it out: N, L, the (archaic), and marry her third.
5. - Go back to noodles with a different filling - sounds like a police siren?!
OROCARNI - The east is red - or a vowel vehicle in back.
7. - The first is the least. The pirate agrees, so turn it on its head.
ELENTARI - An elephant loses the beginning of its confused happiness, but gains the end of Margreet Zelle - behold the queen!
9. - Rings around the lower back.
VALACIRCA - Seven set power around.
ELEMMIRE - A chemical in a swamp? Send the shepherd away to find the lamenter.
12. - T. rex bangs it, the first gnomes start to end - this comes first.

hS

[Urwen]

Waker of Elves?

[Huinesoron]

Waker of Elves?

Also no.

hS

[Galadriel55]

Wares of elves? :D

You know, starlight I can see, but Orocarni would be a bit challenging. ;)

I am really struggling with these clues and I feel like there is another facepalm coming on soon. But for guessing sake, how about FINWE for 7?


I also wish that there was a way to fit "march" or "migration" or something like that into the first letters of this password, because that sounds like the the right theme.


The clue that bugs me most is 9, because I have a lot of ideas but they all end up running down blind alleys. I even got "Umbar" from lumbar at one point. But what about OLWE, directly from "lower", if you don't use the first letter?

[Huinesoron]

I am really struggling with these clues and I feel like there is another facepalm coming on soon. But for guessing sake, how about FINWE for 7?

Nope. The cryptic clue here is '... the least. The pirate agrees'.


I also wish that there was a way to fit "march" or "migration" or something like that into the first letters of this password, because that sounds like the the right theme.


Nah, those are way too late for this theme.


The clue that bugs me most is 9, because I have a lot of ideas but they all end up running down blind alleys. I even got "Umbar" from lumbar at one point. But what about OLWE, directly from "lower", if you don't use the first letter?

I mean, you've said the answer there, so I should probably give it to you...


WILWARIN - The conqueror fights within? Say it shorter, flighty one.
ANARRIMA - "Article," quoth the pirate; I am a pattern named for the sun.
3. - Spell the water the old way - with a kick!
ENELYE - Spell it out: N, L, the (archaic), and marry her third.
5. - Go back to noodles with a different filling - sounds like a police siren?!
OROCARNI - The east is red - or a vowel vehicle in back.
7. - The first is the least. The pirate agrees, so turn it on its head.
ELENTARI - An elephant loses the beginning of its confused happiness, but gains the end of Margreet Zelle - behold the queen!
LUMBAR - Rings around the lower back.
VALACIRCA - Seven set power around.
ELEMMIRE - A chemical in a swamp? Send the shepherd away to find the lamenter.
12. - T. rex bangs it, the first gnomes start to end - this comes first.

Carnil and Luinil, Nénar and Lumbar, Alcarinquë and Elemmirë she wrought in that time...

Apparently it's Saturn. Hence the rings.

hS

[Galadriel55]

Apparently it's Saturn. Hence the rings.

How did I not know there was a thing called Lumbar?

I feel like pirates agree by saying "aye aye", but haven't gotten anywhere with it. Can the rest of you make anything out of it?

[Huinesoron]

How did I not know there was a thing called Lumbar?

:D :D :D

I feel like pirates agree by saying "aye aye", but haven't gotten anywhere with it. Can the rest of you make anything out of it?

Arr, that be not very piratical! Ye needs to be morrrre pirratey than that!

(Alas, it's a month late for Talk Like A Pirate Day.)

hS

[Urwen]

:D :D :D



Arr, that be not very piratical! Ye needs to be morrrre pirratey than that!

(Alas, it's a month late for Talk Like A Pirate Day.)

hS


That's the only expression I could find as well.

[Urwen]

Also, I think it means that the first and the last letter of the answer are the same. Like in LUINIL, or ARDA.

[Huinesoron]

That's the only expression I could find as well.

Also, I think it means that the first and the last letter of the answer are the same. Like in LUINIL, or ARDA.

It does not mean that. :-/

Okay, since this one's proving hard, an alternate clue:

7. - The first is not the most. Just under just under a meter? Turn it on its head!

hS

[Urwen]

Centimeter? Decimeter?

[Huinesoron]

Centimeter? Decimeter?

I think you're reading it too literally. (Also, just to be clear: 'just under just under' is not a typo.)

hS

[Urwen]

Okay then. Someone else can solve it. I am done. ---\O/---

[Pervinca Took]

Waken, oh Elves?

[Huinesoron]

Waken, oh Elves?

Given the several very close guesses, I'm going to partially fill in the password for simplicity's sake.

WILWARIN - The conqueror fights within? Say it shorter, flighty one.
ANARRIMA - "Article," quoth the pirate; I am a pattern named for the sun.
3. K - Spell the water the old way - with a kick!
ENELYE - Spell it out: N, L, the (archaic), and marry her third.
5. - Go back to noodles with a different filling - sounds like a police siren?!
OROCARNI - The east is red - or a vowel vehicle in back.
7. - The first is the least. The pirate agrees, so turn it on its head.
ELENTARI - An elephant loses the beginning of its confused happiness, but gains the end of Margreet Zelle - behold the queen!
LUMBAR - Rings around the lower back.
VALACIRCA - Seven set power around.
ELEMMIRE - A chemical in a swamp? Send the shepherd away to find the lamenter.
12. S - T. rex bangs it, the first gnomes start to end - this comes first.

#3: your straight clue is 'the water'.

#5: doesn't strictly have a straight clue, but it's another one of Varda's creations.

#7: don't even try to make the first letter match. Consider the (obvious at this point?) theme and think what 'the first' might mean.

#12: my parents are from the 70s.

hS

[Galadriel55]

Still no idea what to do with least/not most, but less than a meter is a yard and less than that is YAR (yarrr! ?), so perhaps VANYAR? Or, rather RAYNAV, since the clue indicates it's backwards?

[Galadriel55]

3. Kwywyenenn? :p

[Huinesoron]

Still no idea what to do with least/not most, but less than a meter is a yard and less than that is YAR (yarrr! ?), so perhaps VANYAR? Or, rather RAYNAV, since the clue indicates it's backwards?

'yar' is right ("Yarrr!" says the pirate), and the Vanyar are the answer, but the answer is not "VANYAR".

3. Kwywyenenn? :p

:rolleyes: I was looking for "KUIVIENEN" (since Tolkien only switched from K > C pretty late), but would have accepted "KOIVIE-NENI". That... Welsh-German thing of yours is simply nightmarish, but I suppose it'll do.

(It is spelt, as all British schoolchildren know, with a Kicking Kuh, not a Curly Cuh.)

WILWARIN - The conqueror fights within? Say it shorter, flighty one.
ANARRIMA - "Article," quoth the pirate; I am a pattern named for the sun.
KUIVIENEN - Spell the water the old way - with a kick!
ENELYE - Spell it out: N, L, the (archaic), and marry her third.
5. - Go back to noodles with a different filling - sounds like a police siren?!
OROCARNI - The east is red - or a vowel vehicle in back.
7. - The first is the least. The pirate agrees, so turn it on its head.
ELENTARI - An elephant loses the beginning of its confused happiness, but gains the end of Margreet Zelle - behold the queen!
LUMBAR - Rings around the lower back.
VALACIRCA - Seven set power around.
ELEMMIRE - A chemical in a swamp? Send the shepherd away to find the lamenter.
12. S - T. rex bangs it, the first gnomes start to end - this comes first.

When was the last time a password was unguessed with three clues to go? :eek:

hS

[Pervinca Took]

NOW for the missing 3 letters?

[Huinesoron]

NOW for the missing 3 letters?

And there it is. :)

WILWARIN - The conqueror fights within? Say it shorter, flighty one.
ANARRIMA - "Article," quoth the pirate; I am a pattern named for the sun.
KUIVIENEN - Spell the water the old way - with a kick!
ENELYE - Spell it out: N, L, the (archaic), and marry her third.
5. N - Go back to noodles with a different filling - sounds like a police siren?!
OROCARNI - The east is red - or a vowel vehicle in back.
7. W - The first is the least. The pirate agrees, so turn it on its head.
ELENTARI - An elephant loses the beginning of its confused happiness, but gains the end of Margreet Zelle - behold the queen!
LUMBAR - Rings around the lower back.
VALACIRCA - Seven set power around.
ELEMMIRE - A chemical in a swamp? Send the shepherd away to find the lamenter.
12. S - T. rex bangs it, the first gnomes start to end - this comes first.

I strongly recommend not worrying about the first letter of #7 though.

hS

[Galadriel55]

Ingwe? As the Head?

[Huinesoron]

Ingwe? As the Head?

Nope. I did say 'yar' was right... :)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

I didn't solve any of the clues. When they are all solved, am quite happy for another to do the next password.

When was the last time a password was unguessed with three clues to go?*

hS

I did a 3 clue password once.

Actually, I did a one-clue one once as well!

[Galadriel55]

Actually, I did a one-clue one once as well!

Yeah, I remember that! Do you remember when that was, by some chance?


I am befuddled by the Vanyar that are not actually Vanyar but still contain "yar" (which pretty much every Elven classification does, that's no help), so I thought I'd look into T. Rex. Since it's not the dinosaur, it's the band. And wikipedia tells me they had a guy named (Steve) Peregrin Took, which kinda makes it a Tolkien band. What does T rex bang? Percussion instruments, perhaps. Unless there is a specific T rex song that is being referenced here? Aside from Mr. Took, none of the members' names jumped out at me.

[Pervinca Took]

G55, couldn't say when, but I have all the clues and passwords I've ever written saved in one big Word document.

I think Urwen might have done a 2 clue one first, Huinesoron followed mine with 0 clues, then I did minus eleven or something!

My one-cluer was Elvish expletives. ;)

[Urwen]

I figured the 'yar' one out. Turning it on its head doesn't mean reading it backwards. Huey used this trick previously, and there is another name for the Vanyar. Put these two together, and...

Wᴉuʎɐɹ

You get that. And that is the answer.

[Huinesoron]

What does T rex bang? Percussion instruments, perhaps. Unless there is a specific T rex song that is being referenced here?

It is, and it is, and also you said the full answer somewhere in here. :)

I think Urwen might have done a 2 clue one first, Huinesoron followed mine with 0 clues, then I did minus eleven or something!

My one-cluer was Elvish expletives. ;)

Oh yes! Mine was... the correct pronunciation of Sauron's name in Mordor, or something? That was a surreal time in the History of the Password Thread (Vol. 3).

I figured the 'yar' one out. Turning it on its head doesn't mean reading it backwards. Huey used this trick previously, and there is another name for the Vanyar. Put these two together, and...

Wᴉuʎɐɹ

You get that. And that is the answer.

Correct! Well done. :) 'Min' is of course 'minimum', which is the least.

WILWARIN - The conqueror fights within? Say it shorter, flighty one.
ANARRIMA - "Article," quoth the pirate; I am a pattern named for the sun.
KUIVIENEN - Spell the water the old way - with a kick!
ENELYE - Spell it out: N, L, the (archaic), and marry her third.
5. N - Go back to noodles with a different filling - sounds like a police siren?!
OROCARNI - The east is red - or a vowel vehicle in back.
WIИ⅄Ɐʁ - The first is the least. The pirate agrees, so turn it on its head.
ELENTARI - An elephant loses the beginning of its confused happiness, but gains the end of Margreet Zelle - behold the queen!
LUMBAR - Rings around the lower back.
VALACIRCA - Seven set power around.
ELEMMIRE - A chemical in a swamp? Send the shepherd away to find the lamenter.
12. S - T. rex bangs it, the first gnomes start to end - this comes first.

Two to go!

hS

[Galadriel55]

Nice one, Urwen! I forgot about that head trick. And did not remember the name. Good one!

It is, and it is, and also you said the full answer somewhere in here.

...Song? Which of course comes first of all things Ea?



I was gonna give in to the silliness urge for the other clue, which for thr record, was about siren sounds. A police siren sounds like eeee-oow (in constrast to the weee-ooo-eee-ooo of fire and eew-eew-eew of ambulance) - or at least they do where I live, I dunno if they sound different in other areas of the world. And the silly idea based on that was that the clue went NEW ???. Then I remembered Hui's hint, and thought of ramen as an acceptable synonym for noodles, which gives NENAR. Which, when said in a Brittish accent, might sound like a fire siren. But I'm not positive on the whole siren thing.

[Huinesoron]

...Song? Which of course comes first of all things Ea?

And is also the first thing Orome heard out of the Quendi.

... and is also what you get when you take GONG (and when I google "T. rex bang", Bang A Gong (Get It On) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_It_On_(T._Rex_song)) is the first hit), and apply "the first gnomes start to end" - or in other words, take the first initial letter of Gnomes to appear, and replace it with the last. G > S.


I was gonna give in to the silliness urge for the other clue, which for thr record, was about siren sounds. A police siren sounds like eeee-oow (in constrast to the weee-ooo-eee-ooo of fire and eew-eew-eew of ambulance) - or at least they do where I live, I dunno if they sound different in other areas of the world. And the silly idea based on that was that the clue went NEW ???. Then I remembered Hui's hint, and thought of ramen as an acceptable synonym for noodles, which gives NENAR. Which, when said in a Brittish accent, might sound like a fire siren. But I'm not positive on the whole siren thing.

NEE-NAR-NEE-NAR-NEE-NAR!

I had a toy police car that did this whenever you pressed the top. My parents hated it. I do not blame them.

WILWARIN - The conqueror fights within? Say it shorter, flighty one.
ANARRIMA - "Article," quoth the pirate; I am a pattern named for the sun.
KUIVIENEN - Spell the water the old way - with a kick!
ENELYE - Spell it out: N, L, the (archaic), and marry her third.

NENAR - Go back to noodles with a different filling - sounds like a police siren?!
OROCARNI - The east is red - or a vowel vehicle in back.
WIИ⅄Ɐʁ - The first is the least. The pirate agrees, so turn it on its head.

ELENTARI - An elephant loses the beginning of its confused happiness, but gains the end of Margreet Zelle - behold the queen!
LUMBAR - Rings around the lower back.
VALACIRCA - Seven set power around.
ELEMMIRE - A chemical in a swamp? Send the shepherd away to find the lamenter.
SONG - T. rex bangs it, the first gnomes start to end - this comes first.

Theme: The Awakening of the Elves

And thus ends the most star-filled password that wasn't actually about stars. ;)

hS

[Galadriel55]

NEE-NAR-NEE-NAR-NEE-NAR!

I had a toy police car that did this whenever you pressed the top. My parents hated it. I do not blame them.

They do say that if you really hate someone, you should give their kid a drum. But a police siren works just as well. ^.^

I learned a good many things from that password. I've never heard of the Kicking Kuh and Curly Cuh, but I think it's brilliant. And learned a bit about T rex's music. And, most importantly, discovered that there is a Lumbar in the sky, a fact that amuses me way more than it should.

Also, I propose a game: how would you spell "Cuivienen" if it originated from different languages around the world?

[Pervinca Took]

Do you know, I was sure there was a NENAR, but I was spelling it NENAH, and Google didn't take me to anything helpful. ;)

That was a STUPENDOUSLY good password, if very difficult!

Seriously, does someone worthier want to do the next one? I didn't solve a single clue!

[Galadriel55]

Seriously, does someone worthier want to do the next one? I didn't solve a single clue!

But you solved the evasive password. ;)

[Pervinca Took]

But you solved the evasive password. ;)

I have one almost finished, but my laptop is at home. I'll finish and post it soon.

[Pervinca Took]

1. Radiant belongings or imitations of his epesse, nomenclature-wise.
2. Emblematic of a Gondorian prince and his kin.
3. An offal-like person of the South Kingdom, or his raiment?
4. Arrived together, and the same but for changed direction and slight disorder. (The secret’s in the headgear).
5. Precious but kind jewellery, for Frodo.
6. Circular band of something nitrogen-rich?
7. Any can be dared for two comedy actresses – they’re priceless gems!
8. Garb of Pheriannath.
8. Graces the pages of a hefty tome.
9. Galloper on grass, emblemised?
10. Desired for a lunar tiara?

[Huinesoron]

Well, #5 makes me think of the WHITE GEM Arwen gives to Frodo; I don't think it's specified beyond that. And #10, on general principles, I have to guess as PEARL(s).

Er, and #9 evokes the flag of Rohan. I'm thinking shield? Merry receives a round shield bearing the device of the White Horse, though I can't come up with an actual answer out of that.

Double-er: #2 makes me think of Imrahil, whose emblem was the SILVER SWAN.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. Radiant belongings or imitations of his epesse, nomenclature-wise.
OCEAN & SWAN: Emblematic of a Gondorian prince and his kin.
3. An offal-like person of the South Kingdom, or his raiment?
4. Arrived together, and the same but for changed direction and slight disorder. (The secret’s in the headgear).
UNDOMIEL'S GIFT: Precious but kind jewellery, for Frodo.
6. Circular band of something nitrogen-rich?
7. Any can be dared for two comedy actresses – they’re priceless gems!
8. Garb of Pheriannath.
8. Graces the pages of a hefty tome.
ROHAN'S FLAG: Galloper on grass, emblemised?
10. Desired for a lunar tiara?

No to 10.

[Galadriel55]

I am a bit at loss, so here are two non-guesses:

4. Helm? Dernhelm? Some other -helm?

6. Nenning, because what else has the same density of N?

[Pervinca Took]

4. Different headgear.

6. Nitrogen is literal, not cryptic.

[Huinesoron]

#8: ...

...

... er, the second #8: could this be the RING INSCRIPTION? I believe this was written out in Isildur's account of his claiming of the Ring, which may have been in a hefty tome.

Another option would be something in the Book of Mazarbul, but the text doesn't describe anything in its pages other than runes/Elvish script, and blood.

Actually, the first #8: didn't Aragorn's hobbit-hunting expedition get cancelled because the short people are garbed in MITHRIL?

Contrary to both of these: the theme so far seems to be around flags and banners, with the three known all being present at the Pelennor. That suggests that the Black Serpent of Harad may be in there somewhere, along with the Eye of Sauron and the disfigured Moon of Morgul. Not that any of the clues seem to me to point at them, but it might spark something for someone. :)

Continuing this theme: the Dead of Dunharrow have 'pale banners', and Elladan and Elrohir carry a silver one. And I suppose one actual guess:

#8-the-first could be the LIVERY OF THE TOWER, which Pippin wears as a guard.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

You just had me totally confused on the 8's. Sorry. Didn't know I'd done that.

LIVERY OF GONDOR is actually the answer to one of the clues, but not to either of the 8's. Can you guess which one?

No to everything else, I'm afraid.

For the garb clue, you just need a synonym of GARB and a synonym of PHERIANNATH.

[Huinesoron]

Ah! It's #3, right? Liver = organs = offal?

And #6: RING OF AIR? It's 78% nitrogen, after all... :D

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. Radiant belongings or imitations of his epesse, nomenclature-wise.
OCEAN & SWAN: Emblematic of a Gondorian prince and his kin.
LIVERY OF GONDOR: An offal-like person of the South Kingdom, or his raiment?
4. Arrived together, and the same but for changed direction and slight disorder. (The secret’s in the headgear).
UNDOMIEL'S GIFT: Precious but kind jewellery, for Frodo.
RING OF AIR: Circular band of something nitrogen-rich?
7. Any can be dared for two comedy actresses – they’re priceless gems!
8. Garb of Pheriannath.
9. Graces the pages of a hefty tome.
ROHAN'S FLAG: Galloper on grass, emblemised?
10. Desired for a lunar tiara?

[Huinesoron]

Well, my brain is still not being helpful with the rest of the clues, but at least it's told me that one synonym for 'Hobbit clothes' would be Curtmantle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_II_of_England) ("short-robe").

The only Tolkien synonym I was able to come up with was "hobbit-cloak" (as dropped by the Nazgul in... Bree, maybe?); I think I'm probably being too literal.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

These clues are a bit weird because of how they all fit the theme and the password.

You need two separate synonyms. One for garb and one for Pheriannath.

[Galadriel55]

For 9, if it's not the runes of the Book of Mazarbul, perhaps it's the TITLES of the Red Book?

[Pervinca Took]

1. Radiant belongings or imitations of his epesse, nomenclature-wise.
OCEAN & SWAN: Emblematic of a Gondorian prince and his kin.
LIVERY OF GONDOR: An offal-like person of the South Kingdom, or his raiment?
4. Arrived together, and the same but for changed direction and slight disorder. (The secret’s in the headgear).
UNDOMIEL'S GIFT: Precious but kind jewellery, for Frodo.
RING OF AIR: Circular band of something nitrogen-rich?
7. Any can be dared for two comedy actresses – they’re priceless gems!
8. Garb of Pheriannath.
INK IN THE RED BOOK: Graces the pages of a hefty tome.
ROHAN'S FLAG: Galloper on grass, emblemised?
10. Desired for a lunar tiara?

Near enough. Good work.

7 and 10 both refer to a poem/song. The same poem/song.

[Huinesoron]

7 and 10 both refer to a poem/song. The same poem/song.

Ah! At the risk of being too literal, I took a look at the Other Man in the Moon poem, which I've never really learnt any of the words to. Sure enough:

#7: "He would dare any peril for ruby and beryl (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_Reid)"

#10: "For new diadems of lustrous gems,
emerald and sapphire."

(Dude was going through some stuff. "To Mandos with white and silver: I'm gonna dress up like a rainbow!")

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. Radiant belongings or imitations of his epesse, nomenclature-wise.
OCEAN & SWAN: Emblematic of a Gondorian prince and his kin.
LIVERY OF GONDOR: An offal-like person of the South Kingdom, or his raiment?
4. Arrived together, and the same but for changed direction and slight disorder. (The secret’s in the headgear).
UNDOMIEL'S GIFT: Precious but kind jewellery, for Frodo.
RING OF AIR: Circular band of something nitrogen-rich?
PERIL (FOR RUBY & BERYL): Any can be dared for two comedy actresses – they’re priceless gems!
8. Garb of Pheriannath.
INK IN THE RED BOOK: Graces the pages of a hefty tome.
ROHAN'S FLAG: Galloper on grass, emblemised?
SAPPHIRE & EMERALD: Desired for a lunar tiara?

Correct!

Ruby Wax and Beryl Reid again. :)

[Urwen]

4. Dernhelm? (meaning 'secret')

[Pervinca Took]

4. Dernhelm? (meaning 'secret')

No. Like I said, not that kind of headgear.

[Huinesoron]

Aha! I spotted 'COLOUR' a while back, but the latter half had me stumped. But is it COLOUR PAIRS for the password?

hS

[Pervinca Took]

C: Radiant belongings or imitations of his epesse, nomenclature-wise.
OCEAN & SWAN: Emblematic of a Gondorian prince and his kin. (Silver & blue)
LIVERY OF GONDOR: An offal-like person of the South Kingdom, or his raiment? (Black & silver)
O: Arrived together, and the same but for changed direction and slight disorder. (The secret’s in the headgear).
UNDOMIEL'S GIFT: Precious but kind jewellery, for Frodo. (White & silver)
RING OF AIR: Circular band of something nitrogen-rich? (Blue & gold)

PERIL (FOR RUBY & BERYL): Any can be dared for two comedy actresses – they’re priceless gems! (Red & green)
A: Garb of Pheriannath.
INK IN THE RED BOOK: Graces the pages of a hefty tome. (Red & black)
ROHAN'S FLAG: Galloper on grass, emblemised? (Green & white)
SAPPHIRE & EMERALD: Desired for a lunar tiara? (Blue & green)

Colour pairs indeed.

[Huinesoron]

Phew! THat was a tough password; hopefully finally figuring out the theme will help with the last clues.

For instance: with 'arrived together', O sounds like a couple of Thorin's dwarves, with the headgear their hoods. A quick browse of the book show that ORI AND OIN actually showed up together at Bilbo's (along with their various relatives), so that's a Right > North shift and a little disorder.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

C: Radiant belongings or imitations of his epesse, nomenclature-wise.
OCEAN & SWAN: Emblematic of a Gondorian prince and his kin. (Silver & blue)
LIVERY OF GONDOR: An offal-like person of the South Kingdom, or his raiment? (Black & silver)
ORI & OIN: Arrived together, and the same but for changed direction and slight disorder. (The secret’s in the headgear). (Grey & brown)
UNDOMIEL'S GIFT: Precious but kind jewellery, for Frodo. (White & silver)
RING OF AIR: Circular band of something nitrogen-rich? (Blue & gold)

PERIL (FOR RUBY & BERYL): Any can be dared for two comedy actresses – they’re priceless gems! (Red & green)
A: Garb of Pheriannath.
INK IN THE RED BOOK: Graces the pages of a hefty tome. (Red & black)
ROHAN'S FLAG: Galloper on grass, emblemised? (Green & white)
SAPPHIRE & EMERALD: Desired for a lunar tiara? (Blue & green)

Just give me a word meaning 'garb' that begins with A, and I'll let you have that answer.

C refers to someone who made shiny things. And two of the shiny things he made. ;)

[Galadriel55]

... Attire?

... Celebrimbor?

[Pervinca Took]

... Attire?

... Celebrimbor?

No and no. ;)

[Huinesoron]

No and no. ;)

Huh, not Celebrimbor? I was sure it was going to be Narya and Nenya as 'Celebrimbor's Other Rings' or something.

So... Feanor made shiny things, which could be said to have spirits of fire, and contain two colours (gold and silver). CRYSTALS is possible, or CURUFINWE'S JEWELS, but he is noted to have made more than two.

The internet suggests 'array' or 'accoutrements' as garb-synonyms. Of course! It is known to the Wise that a 3x3 array of hobbits will fluoresce in both red and green, as famously seen at the Free Fair of 1427. It's all in the Hostetter book.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

What would Curufinwe need when Melkor's heavy metal jamming put the grid out and caused a power cut? ;)

And the A word is the last word of a Blake poem called 'The Little Vagabond.'

[Urwen]

Apparel?

[Huinesoron]

What would Curufinwe need when Melkor's heavy metal jamming put the grid out and caused a power cut? ;)

Can...dles?

Wait, did he make those crystal lanterns of the Noldor that show up once in Tuor's journey and are never mentioned again?

Still no idea where 'Apparel of the Halflings' is going.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

CURUFINWE'S LAMPS: Radiant belongings or imitations of his epesse, nomenclature-wise. (Blue & white)
OCEAN & SWAN: Emblematic of a Gondorian prince and his kin. (Silver & blue)
LIVERY OF GONDOR: An offal-like person of the South Kingdom, or his raiment? (Black & silver)
ORI & OIN: Arrived together, and the same but for changed direction and slight disorder. (The secret’s in the headgear). (Grey & brown)
UNDOMIEL'S GIFT: Precious but kind jewellery, for Frodo. (White & silver)
RING OF AIR: Circular band of something nitrogen-rich? (Blue & gold)

PERIL (FOR RUBY & BERYL): Any can be dared for two comedy actresses – they’re priceless gems! (Red & green)
APPAREL OF HOBBITS: Garb of Pheriannath. (Green & yellow)
INK IN THE RED BOOK: Graces the pages of a hefty tome. (Red & black)
ROHAN'S FLAG: Galloper on grass, emblemised? (Green & white)
SAPPHIRE & EMERALD: Desired for a lunar tiara? (Blue & green)

I can't remember where Curufinwe's lamps are mentioned. I just needed another, different, colour pair. And 'spirit of fire' kind of describes a lamp, especially in a world that isn't using electricity.

Hobbits are fond of dressing in green and yellow. 'Garb of Pheriannath' was just a straight clue to get the colour pair.

Sam wonders if his and Frodo's story will ever be read out from a huge book with black and red letters in it. That's where that colour pair came from, (although I guess the book had a red cover, too, as well as red and black ink on its pages).

Sorry some of the colour pairs are a bit contrived, like the chain and the gem of Frodo's necklace, and the band and the stone of Vilya. There aren't that many really neat colour pairs like the black/sable and silver of Gondor's livery.

Well done, and over to Huinesoron!

[Galadriel55]

That was a tough one, but a very neat theme! I am impressed that you found so many things to fit - it must have taken a lot of book scanning to come up with all of these colour pairs!

[Huinesoron]

Sorry some of the colour pairs are a bit contrived, like the chain and the gem of Frodo's necklace, and the band and the stone of Vilya. There aren't that many really neat colour pairs like the black/sable and silver of Gondor's livery.

Contrivance is fun! No, seriously, I have no problem with contrived themes or answers, so long as the clues are guessable regardless. (Which "garb of Pheriannath", for instance, totally was - we were just all missing the obvious.) This was a good, challenging but not hyper-frustrating password. :D


Well done, and over to Huinesoron!

Okay, here goes:

1. - Wizard, more nectar? Shift that silence to me and stop to aspirate!
2. - Much longer than twig days - but how long?
3. - Sounds like the bosun rides on the back of a log, rides on the back of a log
4. - Half a drum explodes a (cut) herb, but it's still better than the poetry.
5. - On the tip of... not my tongue, I'm a little sick. Like Ulysses, but brighter.
6. - Serious party-going lady swaps to the second half of Elvish exclamation, and sends her daughter out gathering.
7. - Look back at the hidden valley: yes, Spaniard, it's a spotted dog with no prepositions.
8. - Shipwrecked, he calls, "Er, I..." "Lo!" the elves call back.
9. - Her(?) bed was made by a really, really irritated oyster.

(I will note that punctuation is not used in any systematic way; mostly it's just there for grammar purposes. And all the clues have some form of cryptic and straight elements.)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

7. I think this is IMLADRIS, because I think we start with DALMATIAN and lose AT and IN. SI is Spanish for yes. DALM goes backwards. Not sure about the remaining R and I.

[Huinesoron]

7. I think this is IMLADRIS, because I think we start with DALMATIAN and lose AT and IN. SI is Spanish for yes. DALM goes backwards. Not sure about the remaining R and I.

Correct but I can't spell. :D No idea what happened to the R, and I thought dalmatian ended with -on (hence remove AT and On, leaving I.)

1. - Wizard, more nectar? Shift that silence to me and stop to aspirate!
2. - Much longer than twig days - but how long?
3. - Sounds like the bosun rides on the back of a log, rides on the back of a log
4. - Half a drum explodes a (cut) herb, but it's still better than the poetry.
5. - On the tip of... not my tongue, I'm a little sick. Like Ulysses, but brighter.
6. - Serious party-going lady swaps to the second half of Elvish exclamation, and sends her daughter out gathering.
IMLADRIS - Look back at the hidden valley: yes, Spaniard, it's a spotted dog with no prepositions.
8. - Shipwrecked, he calls, "Er, I..." "Lo!" the elves call back.
9. - Her(?) bed was made by a really, really irritated oyster.

hS

[Galadriel55]

9 points to pearls of some sort as her(?) bed. Which probably refers to some direct quote about something (rather than someone, maybe) on a pearly bed or something. A reference I cannot place. The only direct thing I can think of off the top of my head is "on sand of pearls in Elvenland", but the thing on these sands is "the sighing of the Sea". Anything or any place you can think of that was said to be on top of pearls?

[Huinesoron]

9 points to pearls of some sort as her(?) bed. Which probably refers to some direct quote about something (rather than someone, maybe) on a pearly bed or something. A reference I cannot place. The only direct thing I can think of off the top of my head is "on sand of pearls in Elvenland", but the thing on these sands is "the sighing of the Sea". Anything or any place you can think of that was said to be on top of pearls?

It is indeed about pearls. :) But not from the Lay of Leithian.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Nimphelos? 'Cos it was a *huge* pearl.

Unless it's a reference to Pearl Took disposing of Lalia!

[Galadriel55]

I'm still fixated the idea of the pearls being the bed. River Ascar? Or a city that legend says stands on some pretty looking hill - Gondolin? Tirion? I am throwing around wild guesses, I know. I just can't remember any particular thing being specifically said to be in a bed of pearls, and it so7nds like there should be something.

[Pervinca Took]

But it says 'her bed,' seeming to indicating that the pearl itself is the answer? And you'd need a very irritated oyster for a pearl as big as Nimphelos.

[Huinesoron]

Nimphelos? 'Cos it was a *huge* pearl.

Oh, much much bigger than that.

Unless it's a reference to Pearl Took disposing of Lalia!

Next password: all pearls, all the time! :D

I'm still fixated the idea of the pearls being the bed. River Ascar? Or a city that legend says stands on some pretty looking hill - Gondolin? Tirion? I am throwing around wild guesses, I know. I just can't remember any particular thing being specifically said to be in a bed of pearls, and it so7nds like there should be something.

But it says 'her bed,' seeming to indicating that the pearl itself is the answer? And you'd need a very irritated oyster for a pearl as big as Nimphelos.

Gondolin and Tirion come closest, though they're not that close. It's not so much about the bed as about what she(?) does in it.

hS

[Huinesoron]

So it's been a few days, here's a general hint:

A lot of these (3, 5, 6, 8, arguably 4 and 1) have really specific straight clues. How specific? I've only 'arguably' included #1 in that list, for which the straight clue is 'wizard', a term used of six whole people (if you include Sauron on the list; it's not him, though that gives me an idea for another password).

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[Urwen]

3. Gollum?

[Urwen]

8. Eriol?

[Urwen]

6. Galadriel?

[Huinesoron]

3. Gollum?

Veeeeeery nearly. :)

8. Eriol?

Yes - Er + I + lo backwards.

6. Galadriel?

No (did have a daughter, not not noted for said daughter gathering anything).

1. - Wizard, more nectar? Shift that silence to me and stop to aspirate!
2. - Much longer than twig days - but how long?
3. - Sounds like the bosun rides on the back of a log, rides on the back of a log
4. - Half a drum explodes a (cut) herb, but it's still better than the poetry.
5. - On the tip of... not my tongue, I'm a little sick. Like Ulysses, but brighter.
6. - Serious party-going lady swaps to the second half of Elvish exclamation, and sends her daughter out gathering.
IMLADRIS - Look back at the hidden valley: yes, Spaniard, it's a spotted dog with no prepositions.
ERIOL - Shipwrecked, he calls, "Er, I..." "Lo!" the elves call back.
9. - Her(?) bed was made by a really, really irritated oyster.

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[Urwen]

3. Smeagol, then?

[Huinesoron]

3. Smeagol, then?

Correct (SMEE + LOG backwards) ; will add tomorrow.

EDIT:

1. - Wizard, more nectar? Shift that silence to me and stop to aspirate!
2. - Much longer than twig days - but how long?
SMEAGOL - Sounds like the bosun rides on the back of a log, rides on the back of a log
4. - Half a drum explodes a (cut) herb, but it's still better than the poetry.
5. - On the tip of... not my tongue, I'm a little sick. Like Ulysses, but brighter.
6. - Serious party-going lady swaps to the second half of Elvish exclamation, and sends her daughter out gathering.
IMLADRIS - Look back at the hidden valley: yes, Spaniard, it's a spotted dog with no prepositions.
ERIOL - Shipwrecked, he calls, "Er, I..." "Lo!" the elves call back.
9. - Her(?) bed was made by a really, really irritated oyster.

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[Pervinca Took]

A wild, wild guess at the password:

MYSTERIES?

[Huinesoron]

A wild, wild guess at the password:

MYSTERIES?

... is correct!

1. M - Wizard, more nectar? Shift that silence to me and stop to aspirate!
2. Y - Much longer than twig days - but how long?
SMEAGOL - Sounds like the bosun rides on the back of a log, rides on the back of a log (His origins - solved by Gandalf)
4. T - Half a drum explodes a (cut) herb, but it's still better than the poetry.
5. E - On the tip of... not my tongue, I'm a little sick. Like Ulysses, but brighter.
6. R - Serious party-going lady swaps to the second half of Elvish exclamation, and sends her daughter out gathering.
IMLADRIS - Look back at the hidden valley: yes, Spaniard, it's a spotted dog with no prepositions. (Secret location)
ERIOL - Shipwrecked, he calls, "Er, I..." "Lo!" the elves call back. (Tolkien undecided on his story)
9. S - Her(?) bed was made by a really, really irritated oyster.

Covering both in-universe and out-of-universe mysteries.

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[Galadriel55]

Brilliant, Pervinca!

... which points to the obvious mystery: 4. TOM BOMBADIL: tom(-tom) + bomb + "a" + dil(l)

2.... YEARS OF THE TREES?

[Pervinca Took]

I was thinking MITHRANDIR when I made the wild password guess, but I have no idea where the elements would come from. Is there another word for nectar?

G55, I'm much more impressed with your work than mine!

[Huinesoron]

Brilliant, Pervinca!

... which points to the obvious mystery: 4. TOM BOMBADIL: tom(-tom) + bomb + "a" + dil(l)

2.... YEARS OF THE TREES?

Both correct. :) The mystery in the latter case is: are they ten years (of the sun) or not? Tolkien's timelines are a mess.

I was thinking MITHRANDIR when I made the wild password guess, but I have no idea where the elements would come from. Is there another word for nectar?

G55, I'm much more impressed with your work than mine!

#1 is not Mithrandir, and you don't need a synonym for nectar. :)

1. M - Wizard, more nectar? Shift that silence to me and stop to aspirate!
YEARS OF THE TREES - Much longer than twig days - but how long? (Yes, how long?)
SMEAGOL - Sounds like the bosun rides on the back of a log, rides on the back of a log (His origins - solved by Gandalf)
TOM BOMBADIL - Half a drum explodes a (cut) herb, but it's still better than the poetry. (Just... everything.)
5. E - On the tip of... not my tongue, I'm a little sick. Like Ulysses, but brighter.
6. R - Serious party-going lady swaps to the second half of Elvish exclamation, and sends her daughter out gathering.
IMLADRIS - Look back at the hidden valley: yes, Spaniard, it's a spotted dog with no prepositions. (Secret location)
ERIOL - Shipwrecked, he calls, "Er, I..." "Lo!" the elves call back. (Tolkien undecided on his story)
9. S - Her(?) bed was made by a really, really irritated oyster.

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[Pervinca Took]

Morinehtar.

MORE NECTAR

Remove the silent E, add I for 'me,' H is an aspirate - is C is a 'stop' that changes, here, to an aspirate?

[Huinesoron]

Morinehtar.

MORE NECTAR

Remove the silent E, add I for 'me,' H is an aspirate - is C is a 'stop' that changes, here, to an aspirate?

Exactly! I think C is a stop, right? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_velar_plosive) I went with 'stop' rather than 'plosive' to try and hide the phonetic clues a bit.

MORINEHTAR - Wizard, more nectar? Shift that silence to me and stop to aspirate! (Mysterious Blue Wizard)
YEARS OF THE TREES - Much longer than twig days - but how long? (Yes, how long?)
SMEAGOL - Sounds like the bosun rides on the back of a log, rides on the back of a log (His origins - solved by Gandalf)
TOM BOMBADIL - Half a drum explodes a (cut) herb, but it's still better than the poetry. (Just... everything.)
5. E - On the tip of... not my tongue, I'm a little sick. Like Ulysses, but brighter.
6. R - Serious party-going lady swaps to the second half of Elvish exclamation, and sends her daughter out gathering.
IMLADRIS - Look back at the hidden valley: yes, Spaniard, it's a spotted dog with no prepositions. (Secret location)
ERIOL - Shipwrecked, he calls, "Er, I..." "Lo!" the elves call back. (Tolkien undecided on his story)
9. S - Her(?) bed was made by a really, really irritated oyster.

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[Galadriel55]

5. At the END of an EAR, with IL(L), makes EARENDIL, who I suppose is a mariner like Odysseus, but is also a star. Why is he mysterious? Maybe to Third Age hobbits a flying Silmaril ship star counts as a mystery.

[Huinesoron]

5. At the END of an EAR, with IL(L), makes EARENDIL, who I suppose is a mariner like Odysseus, but is also a star. Why is he mysterious? Maybe to Third Age hobbits a flying Silmaril ship star counts as a mystery.

Exactly all of that, except that the mystery is his voyages, which Tolkien never got round to writing. Did he kill Ungoliant? Did he even meet her? Did he somehow go to the southern hemisphere of a flat planet? So many questions!

MORINEHTAR - Wizard, more nectar? Shift that silence to me and stop to aspirate! (Mysterious Blue Wizard)
YEARS OF THE TREES - Much longer than twig days - but how long? (Yes, how long?)
SMEAGOL - Sounds like the bosun rides on the back of a log, rides on the back of a log (His origins - solved by Gandalf)
TOM BOMBADIL - Half a drum explodes a (cut) herb, but it's still better than the poetry. (Just... everything.)
EARENDIL - On the tip of... not my tongue, I'm a little sick. Like Ulysses, but brighter. (His unknown voyages)
6. R - Serious party-going lady swaps to the second half of Elvish exclamation, and sends her daughter out gathering.
IMLADRIS - Look back at the hidden valley: yes, Spaniard, it's a spotted dog with no prepositions. (Secret location)
ERIOL - Shipwrecked, he calls, "Er, I..." "Lo!" the elves call back. (Tolkien undecided on his story)
9. S - Her(?) bed was made by a really, really irritated oyster.

Two to go. #6 is named in LotR but the clue references a different book, while #9 is pretty much a BoLT character.

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[Pervinca Took]

R isn't (WIDOW) RUMBLE, is it? The mystery lady of the Gaffer's twilight years ....

'Party-going' might mean went to Bilbo's 111th/Frodo's 33rd birthday party, but I'm not sure RUBY BOLGER is the one, because it says that Dora Baggins was the eldest surviving female relative of Bilbo and Frodo, and Ruby Bolger was her mother.

...

Oh! It's RIVER-WOMAN, isn't it?

(With RAVER for serious party-goer turning to the 'AI' sound, which is an elvish exclamation used by Legolas when he fears the heat from the Balrog will make his mascara run?)

[Huinesoron]

Oh! It's RIVER-WOMAN, isn't it?

(With RAVER for serious party-goer turning to the 'AI' sound, which is an elvish exclamation used by Legolas when he fears the heat from the Balrog will make his mascara run?)

Specifically, she swaps the A for the I. Correct!

MORINEHTAR - Wizard, more nectar? Shift that silence to me and stop to aspirate! (Mysterious Blue Wizard)
YEARS OF THE TREES - Much longer than twig days - but how long? (Yes, how long?)
SMEAGOL - Sounds like the bosun rides on the back of a log, rides on the back of a log (His origins - solved by Gandalf)
TOM BOMBADIL - Half a drum explodes a (cut) herb, but it's still better than the poetry. (Just... everything.)
EARENDIL - On the tip of... not my tongue, I'm a little sick. Like Ulysses, but brighter. (His unknown voyages)
RIVER-WOMAN - Serious party-going lady swaps to the second half of Elvish exclamation, and sends her daughter out gathering. (Who and what is she?)
IMLADRIS - Look back at the hidden valley: yes, Spaniard, it's a spotted dog with no prepositions. (Secret location)
ERIOL - Shipwrecked, he calls, "Er, I..." "Lo!" the elves call back. (Tolkien undecided on his story)
9. S - Her(?) bed was made by a really, really irritated oyster.

Okay, #9... in all probability, this one doesn't involve a giant pearl - just a lot of them.

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[Pervinca Took]

Is the final clue Solosimpi/Solosimpe?

[Huinesoron]

Is the final clue Solosimpi/Solosimpe?

It is not. Try connecting pearls to (what you do in) beds.

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[Huinesoron]

Okay, it's been a few days, so:

The mystery in #9 is 'who is this person?', with one possibility Tolkien considered being a woman of Gondolin.

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[Galadriel55]

Okay, it's been a few days, so:

The mystery in #9 is 'who is this person?', with one possibility Tolkien considered being a woman of Gondolin.

hS

Given my extensive knowledge of BOLT, I would suggest Shepearl, Shelob's prettier sister. It's all in the Hofstetter.

Seriously, I have no clue. Someone who presumably fell asleep or lay down on some pearls - but if she's not mentioned in the main texts, I am unlikely to be familiar with the name.

[Huinesoron]

Given my extensive knowledge of BOLT, I would suggest Shepearl, Shelob's prettier sister. It's all in the Hofstetter.

:D:D:D

Seriously, I have no clue. Someone who presumably fell asleep or lay down on some pearls - but if she's not mentioned in the main texts, I am unlikely to be familiar with the name.

Okey dokey, let's go for an alternate clue (same answer):

9b. S - Upon her(?) lies a railway; in high place she(?) lies long; her(?) place's gems are oyster-wrought; Happy Mariners her(?) song.

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[Galadriel55]

Okay. From that I might propose SLEEPER, as the thing on which rails go, and also related to beds. Not sure about the rest of it.

[Huinesoron]

Okay. From that I might propose SLEEPER, as the thing on which rails go, and also related to beds. Not sure about the rest of it.

Y'know what, between you you've got two of the three key words, and I don't want to drag the thread down further, I'm going to give you this one. The full answer is SLEEPER IN THE TOWER OF PEARL, a figure from the unwritten Earendil tales who Tolkien at one point considered making Idril. The poem The Happy Mariners is said by CT to be 'the song of the Sleeper in the Tower of Pearl'.

(Said tower is on one of the Twilight Isles.)

MORINEHTAR - Wizard, more nectar? Shift that silence to me and stop to aspirate! (Mysterious Blue Wizard)
YEARS OF THE TREES - Much longer than twig days - but how long? (Yes, how long?)
SMEAGOL - Sounds like the bosun rides on the back of a log, rides on the back of a log (His origins - solved by Gandalf)
TOM BOMBADIL - Half a drum explodes a (cut) herb, but it's still better than the poetry. (Just... everything.)
EARENDIL - On the tip of... not my tongue, I'm a little sick. Like Ulysses, but brighter. (His unknown voyages)
RIVER-WOMAN - Serious party-going lady swaps to the second half of Elvish exclamation, and sends her daughter out gathering. (Who and what is she?)
IMLADRIS - Look back at the hidden valley: yes, Spaniard, it's a spotted dog with no prepositions. (Secret location)
ERIOL - Shipwrecked, he calls, "Er, I..." "Lo!" the elves call back. (Tolkien undecided on his story)
SLEEPER IN THE TOWER OF PEARL - Her(?) bed was made by a really, really irritated oyster. // Upon her(?) lies a railway; in high place she(?) lies long; her(?) place's gems are oyster-wrought; Happy Mariners her(?) song. (Unknown identity)

Well done all! I didn't expect it to be this hard... I think I'm out of practice with these things.

I think it's Pervinca up next?

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[Galadriel55]

I liked it! I thought the clues were very reasonable. And when Pervinca guessed the password, by what I still think a stroke of magnificent inspiration, a bunch more clues fell down. I think it was just the last clue that gave trouble - and considering "pearl" was one of the earliest elements to be guessed, the problem was clearly not with the clue itself, but that the answer didn't occur to us. Speaking for myself, that is ever my struggle with HOME clues, which only means that one of these days I will have to read BOLT. I liked the password, and the theme. It is so creative and off the beaten path, and I am still amazed with Pervinca nailing it with just a couple letters and non-standard answers (no Tom Bom yet!).

[Pervinca Took]

Well, there were three letters guessed at the time, and the I and the E were together, and clue one was a wizard (I had forgotten the name Morinehtar but thought it was Mithrandir), so it wasn't too hard to guess.

Will have one up shortly. Just a small one this time.

Excellent work, Huinesoron, to still be coming up with new themes! :)

[Urwen]

Password, please?

[Pervinca Took]

Sorry. Can do this tea time tomorrow but not before. If that's too late someone else could do one, perhaps?

[Urwen]

Should someone else do one then, or do we wait?

[Pervinca Took]

1. Coveted by one on a lunatic quest.
2. Time when Norse thinking is applied to a level water meadow.
3. Here, see a Dark Lord lose his extremities, but find directions in their place.
4. Country of cruel public executions?
5. Worships this place, in a roundabout way.
6. Harpers’ performances, adverbially.

[Galadriel55]

1. Beer? Or alternatively, Arien?

3. RAUROS, from Sauron.

6. SADLY?... Of him the harpers sadly sing?

[Pervinca Took]

1. Coveted by one on a lunatic quest.
2. Time when Norse thinking is applied to a level water meadow.
RAUROS: Here, see a Dark Lord lose his extremities, but find directions in their place.
4. Country of cruel public executions?
5. Worships this place, in a roundabout way.
SADLY: Harpers’ performances, adverbially.

Two right. :)

One wrong.

[Huinesoron]

#4: taken literally, this could be NUMENOR (or more precisely ARANDOR, the central region), noted for its fairly spectacular support of the principle that great works require sacrifices.

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[Pervinca Took]

#4: taken literally, this could be NUMENOR (or more precisely ARANDOR, the central region), noted for its fairly spectacular support of the principle that great works require sacrifices.

hS

'Cruel public executions' is the cryptic part of the clue.

[Huinesoron]

#1: G55 pointed the way towards the Man in the Moon ('lunatic', right?), and checking the poems:

He coveted SONG, and laughter long,
and viands hot, and wine,

#2 is making me think of Isildur: he has the 'Norse thinking' in "This I will have as weregild for my father, and my brother", and 'water meadow' in Middle-earth points strongly at the Gladden Fields. But that doesn't give me an answer, so I'll just leave it as possible inspiration. :)

#4: still scouring the maps for the land of Meanbeheadings...!

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[Urwen]

I think Huinesoron has the right idea, but that the answer isn't 'song', but rather 'viands hot' and the password is VERSES

[Huinesoron]

I think Huinesoron has the right idea, but that the answer isn't 'song', but rather 'viands hot' and the password is VERSES

Ooh, I like the way you think. In which case #4, another S, could be STONINGLAND.

Steeds went striding to the Stoningland
as wind in the morning. War was kindled.

(Via Encyclopedia of Arda's 'Lands, Realms, and Regions' filter, not from memory.)

Which leaves us looking for a pair of Es...

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[Pervinca Took]

VIANDS (HOT): Coveted by one on a lunatic quest. (The Man In The Moon Came Down Too Soon)
E: Time when Norse thinking is applied to a level water meadow.
RAUROS: Here, see a Dark Lord lose his extremities, but find directions in their place. (Lament For Boromir)
STONINGLAND: Country of cruel public executions? (We Heard Of The Horns In The Hills Ringing)
E: Worships this place, in a roundabout way.
SADLY: Harpers’ performances, adverbially. (Gil-Galad Was An Elven- King)

Good work, team!

The Norse element is more linguistic than cultural (insofar as two such aspects can be separated).

[Galadriel55]

Hurray for teamwork! :D

For 2, I don't have any thoughts regarding the Norse element, but if the straight clue is "time", I would hazard a guess of EVE or EVENING.

[Pervinca Took]

VIANDS (HOT): Coveted by one on a lunatic quest. (The Man In The Moon Came Down Too Soon)
EVENING: Time when Norse thinking is applied to a level water meadow. (When Evening In The Shire Was Grey)
RAUROS: Here, see a Dark Lord lose his extremities, but find directions in their place. (Lament For Boromir)
STONINGLAND: Country of cruel public executions? (We Heard Of The Horns In The Hills Ringing)
E: Worships this place, in a roundabout way.
SADLY: Harpers’ performances, adverbially. (Gil-Galad Was An Elven- King)

EVEN= level.

ING is the Norse word for a water meadow.

One to go!

[Urwen]

The last one could be Evereven (from REVERE + ???)

[Pervinca Took]

The last one could be Evereven (from REVERE + ???)

Afraid not.

I'll give you a hint, though.

The answer is from the third line of a song.

[Urwen]

Which song, though?

[Urwen]

Edoras (from 'adores')?

[Pervinca Took]

VIANDS (HOT): Coveted by one on a lunatic quest. (The Man In The Moon Came Down Too Soon)
EVENING: Time when Norse thinking is applied to a level water meadow. (When Evening In The Shire Was Grey)
RAUROS: Here, see a Dark Lord lose his extremities, but find directions in their place. (Lament For Boromir)
STONINGLAND: Country of cruel public executions? (We Heard Of The Horns In The Hills Ringing)
EDORAS: Worships this place, in a roundabout way. (From Dark Dunharrow In The Dim Morning)
SADLY: Harpers’ performances, adverbially. (Gil-Galad Was An Elven- King)

Game, Set and Match!

Over to you.

[Huinesoron]

Game, Set and Match!

Thanks Pervinca; that was a fun mix of different styles of clues. And well done Urwen on getting the last one; I was stumped!

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[Galadriel55]

Seconded! Neat password, and I also enjoyed the variety in the clues! :)

Looking forward to Urwen's!

[Urwen]

I'll come up with something shortly.

In the meantime, amuse yourself with Riddles in the Downs thread. It needs revitalization too.

[Galadriel55]

In the meantime, amuse yourself with Riddles in the Downs thread. It needs revitalization too.

You've said the answer to your previous riddle elsewhere, so it wouldn't really be guessing. Do you want to post a different one? I've had an idea or two for riddles myself, but I don't think I'll have time to actually write one in the next little while.

[Urwen]

Here's a theme which wasn't done before, but I feel is appropriate at this moment.

1. Shaken-up substance, with a vowel. This emerges.
2. Everlasting, circularly? Ah, you, they call back, for it.
3. Band time! Enjoy it!
4. The long look, archaically, reveals this.
5. Gold. Used up, like bread. Jumbled closure. This appears.
6. Lightened, he says, shortly. Just like this usually is.
7. At the close, wrath returns. For this.

You'll understand why when you solve it. ;)

[Urwen]

I had hoped this would be solved today for ~reasons~... *disappointed*

[Huinesoron]

I had hoped this would be solved today for ~reasons~... *disappointed*

I mean, it's Christmas Day, you'll be lucky to get anyone on at all...

... but I did Christmas on the 23rd, so:

#7: I looked at 'endegar' (END + RAGE backwards), and the Gateway suggested ENDERI... which is END + IRE. They're the intercalary days of the Elven/Numenorean calendar.

So immediately we're looking at days and seasons, and possibly just at intercalary days. Let's have a looksee...

#3 suggests RINGDAY (band + time), which is indeed a Telcontarian feast-day (enjoy it!). Could be CORMARE instead.

#6: 'shortly, like this usually is' suggests one of the leap-months. Since the Enderi have already been used... LITHE is lit+he, and is not only usually 3 days rather than 4, but also short for 'Lithedays'.

__R__LE... okay, I have a theory, let's test it.

... yep. #4: YESTARE is 'ye (olde) stare', and is the first intercalary day in the New Reckoning. That means I'm going to guess the password as:

FORYULE, a spelling of the Shire name for December (roughly).

I'm not sure about the other three... #5 should logically be URIME or URUI, as the only calendar word starting with U (it's August), but I can't make it fit the clue.

Still, at least I've tried! A very fine Yule to all.

hS

[Urwen]

Well, that's why I wanted it to be solved today...

[Pervinca Took]

Oh! When you said appropriate for the time, I thought you meant plagues and illnesses in Middle-earth! :o

Merry Christmas, Passworders!

[Galadriel55]

Fine password, and well-timed! Happy Christmas to all!

[Urwen]

These are correct. The rest are not. :smokin:

1. Shaken-up substance, with a vowel. This emerges.
2. Everlasting, circularly? Ah, you, they call back, for it.
RINGDAY: Band time! Enjoy it!
YESTARE: The long look, archaically, reveals this.
5. Gold. Used up, like bread. Jumbled closure. This appears.
LITHE: Lightened, he says, shortly. Just like this usually is.
ENDIRE: At the close, wrath returns. For this.

By the way, I found this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0_BJSYM874) on Reddit.

[Pervinca Took]

Shaken-up substance, with a vowel. This emerges.

Assuming that FORYULE is right, perhaps FORELITHE for number one?

FROTH for shaken-up substance?

Hmmm. Maybe not.

[Galadriel55]

For 2, I had a thought that the first half could become OVER, from ever with a circle. But that can only mean OVERLITHE, and I don't see how that fits the second half.

[Urwen]

When I said the rest are wrong, I also meant the password is wrong.

Try again.

[Pervinca Took]

For 5, wondering if there is a feast day ending in -DEN (a jumble of END that looks as if it could end a word).

[Urwen]

Shaken-up substance, with a vowel. This emerges.

Assuming that FORYULE is right, perhaps FORELITHE for number one?

FROTH for shaken-up substance?

Hmmm. Maybe not.


Remember your 'chemical in a swamp' clue...

[Huinesoron]

For 5, wondering if there is a feast day ending in -DEN (a jumble of END that looks as if it could end a word).

#5: How about UNDOME, meaning 'evendim', or twilight? The derivation would be:

'Gold. Used up, like bread.' -- [A]u, chemical symbol for gold sliced from one end.

'Jumbled closure.' -- 'end' is in the final five letters.

??? -- somehow get 'om' in there too. ;)

The only other time-related U-word I can find is UIAL (morning twilight), which could be obtained as an anagram of laurie (Quenya 'golden') with most of the end chopped off.

Remember your 'chemical in a swamp' clue...

#1: That sounds like a clue for Elemmire, which suggests your clue uses 'element' for substance, so an anagram of 'element' plus a vowel. Which... I... can't find. :-/ Closest I can come is MENELYA (Q. 'Wednesday'), which has ELEM[e]N[t] + A.

#2: 'ah, you, they call back' = ends with UR? It almost has to start with a vowel, too, given its place in the password... the best possibility I can find is ARANDUR, sounds like 'around'; Sindarin for Steward, with the Steward Mardil having reformed the Gondorian calendar.

hS

[Galadriel55]

#2: 'ah, you, they call back' = ends with UR? It almost has to start with a vowel, too, given its place in the password... the best possibility I can find is ARANDUR, sounds like 'around'; Sindarin for Steward, with the Steward Mardil having reformed the Gondorian calendar.

*facepalm* I was trying to work with AU, not getting very far though.

Also considered LAC, from CAL(L) backwards, but I think the only thing that comes up there is BLACK YEARS.

[Urwen]

My bad. 'substance' means 'matter'...

[Huinesoron]

My bad. 'substance' means 'matter'...

Aha! In that case, METTARE, the last day of the year, which to the Dunedain fell on the same day as Hobbitish Yule.

So where are we at?

#1 Mettare, New Year's Eve
#2 ??? [Everlasting, circularly? Ah, you, they call back, for it.]
#3 Ringday, end of September
#4 Yestare, New Year's Day
#5 ??? [Gold. Used up, like bread. Jumbled closure. This appears.]
#6 Lithe, before and after Midsummer
#7 Enderi, the middle-days of the year

The theme of 'intercalary days' is still very strong - Ringday is the only potential exception, and in leap-years it was doubled and definitely intercalary.

So what other intercalary days are there in Middle-earth?

-1 and 2 Yule, the Yuledays (Shire)
-Overlithe and Mid-Year's Day, part of the Summerdays (Shire)
-Loende, another Mid-Year's Day (Gondor)
-Tuilérë and Yáviérë, approximately the equinoxes (Gondor)
-Potentially Durin's Day, or Dwarves' New Year

I think that's it? Potentially also solstice and equinox, since various festival-days fall on them. And I suppose leap day as a generic term.

None of which looks very likely! Unless there's an acronym involved, both answers should be vowels, but there's... not really any in there other than Overlithe, and I can't fit it to either clue.

hS

[Urwen]

Hint for 5: What word do you use to describe used up bread? Clue: it's __ bread.

[Huinesoron]

Not even Mettare? Yikes, I was confident on that one.

Hint for 5: What word do you use to describe used up bread? Clue: it's __ bread.

... stale? Is the only word I can think of that's close to that meaning. Which suggests a word similar to Austale[?] or Orstale[?], either with the end scrambled or an anagram of [something closure-ish] on the end.

I can't come up with anything that fits that description though, so I'll leave it for others.

I will add that the Hobbit name for April, Astron, is derived from Old English for 'Easter', so might fit the theme. Also that all seven Sindarin weekday names start with 'Or' for gold.

Also, charmingly and unrelatedly, I've randomly discovered the Quenya word for 'introverted': óricuvoitë (https://eldamo.org/content/words/word-566219347.html), 'keeping one’s own counsel (not necessarily sinister)'.

hS

[Urwen]

METTARE: Shaken-up substance, with a vowel. This emerges.
2. Everlasting, circularly? Ah, you, they call back, for it.
RINGDAY: Band time! Enjoy it!
YESTARE: The long look, archaically, reveals this.
AUSTALENDE: Gold. Used up, like bread. Jumbled closure. This appears.
LITHE: Lightened, he says, shortly. Just like this usually is.
ENDIRE: At the close, wrath returns. For this.


You were close with 5, so I included it.