Password

[Pervinca Took]

BARLIMAN: I hear he’s a bloke who delivers grain?
ROWLIE APPLEDORE: Fallen hero – sounds a bit like a Salford artist, but living in a Devonshire village.
ERIADOR: Note. Three notes, alternatively. Lose a dental plosive to find yourself here.
COMBE: Here is a preening tool, note. Take the fifth.
STADDLE: Sit astride this place, but lose your way. Take the sixth.
ARCHET: Here we find Robin Hood, professionally, in a way? Lost his way but had tea, or so we hear.
NOB: Good French runs backward to reveal him.
CHETWOOD: Little forest of unfair play? Lose an article to lose this reputation. Take the eighth.

Correct! All done.

And over to Huinesoron!

[Huinesoron]

And over to Huinesoron!

Thank you! It's been a while... thanks for the puzzle, and for keeping the thread going! (301 pages, that's a little ridiculous now. :D)

1. - To want no short adjective.
2. - Sounds like a girl, breathless in the Tibetan capital in a Scottish valley, lush once more.
3. - Smash a giant to find his opposite.
4. - Exclaim and tie a lady, but lose the very first fallen king.
5. - The Frenchman's bane, tied with extra ribbon.
6. - A horse on the back of an explorer
7. - Speak softly! Evil dares within to cover the end.

hS

[Urwen]

6. Arod

[Huinesoron]

6. Arod

Yeppers.

1. - To want no short adjective.
2. - Sounds like a girl, breathless in the Tibetan capital in a Scottish valley, lush once more.
3. - Smash a giant to find his opposite.
4. - Exclaim and tie a lady, but lose the very first fallen king.
5. - The Frenchman's bane, tied with extra ribbon.
AROD - A horse on the back of an explorer
7. - Speak softly! Evil dares within to cover the end.

hS

[Galadriel55]

2. Lhasa... glen... --> LASGALEN. "Sounds like a girl" = lass. "Breathless" = no H. For a lush green forest.

LEGOLAS for password?

[Pervinca Took]

2. Lhasa... glen... --> LASGALEN. "Sounds like a girl" = lass. "Breathless" = no H. For a lush green forest.

LEGOLAS for password?

Damn. Read clues 4 and 5 and hoped theme was instances of bondage-related kinkiness in M-e. :D

'Rope! No rope. Oh well, I'll just have to find some other way to tie up Mr Frodo, I mean help him climb.'

[Huinesoron]

2. Lhasa... glen... --> LASGALEN. "Sounds like a girl" = lass. "Breathless" = no H. For a lush green forest.

LEGOLAS for password?

But LASGALEN doesn't start with an E... :confused: Luckily Erin, I mean ERYN LASGALEN does.

1. L - To want no short adjective.
2. ERYN LASGALEN - Sounds like a girl, breathless in the Tibetan capital in a Scottish valley, lush once more.
3. G - Smash a giant to find his opposite.
4. O - Exclaim and tie a lady, but lose the very first fallen king.
5. L - The Frenchman's bane, tied with extra ribbon.
AROD - A horse on the back of an explorer
7. S - Speak softly! Evil dares within to cover the end.

Damn. Read clues 4 and 5 and hoped theme was instances of bondage-related kinkiness in M-e. :D

'Rope! No rope. Oh well, I'll just have to find some other way to tie up Mr Frodo, I mean help him climb.'

:D I think there's even enough examples to pull that one off, though it's going to run you into some weird 'ships even by LotR fandom standards.

hS

[Galadriel55]

3 keeps making me go to GNAT, because it's a near anagram of giant and pretty well its opposite... but then that's the end of it, I'm stuck. That can't be it, can it? I don't get it.


Ah! 4 is O! ROPE HER --> OROPHER.


Is 1 just LONG? Verb means to want, adjective means not short...

[Huinesoron]

3 keeps making me go to GNAT, because it's a near anagram of giant and pretty well its opposite... but then that's the end of it, I'm stuck. That can't be it, can it? I don't get it.

It is not. You need a specific, Middle-earth giant.


Ah! 4 is O! ROPE HER --> OROPHER.


Correct!

Is 1 just LONG? Verb means to want, adjective means not short...

I'm going to give you that. I was aiming at LONGING (as in sea-), but forgot that long itself is also an adjective. :D

LONGING - To want no short adjective.
ERYN LASGALEN - Sounds like a girl, breathless in the Tibetan capital in a Scottish valley, lush once more.
3. G - Smash a giant to find his opposite.
OROPHER - Exclaim and tie a lady, but lose the very first fallen king.
5. L - The Frenchman's bane, tied with extra ribbon.
AROD - A horse on the back of an explorer
7. S - Speak softly! Evil dares within to cover the end.

Past the halfway point!

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Is G GIMLI? Kind of Legolas's opposite.

Or GROND?

The only named giant I can find is TARLANG - might that unscramble to form anything Legolas-related?

S ... SHARKEY? (But no particular connection with Legolas).

[Urwen]

GIMLI is from GILIM (http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Gilim)

[Huinesoron]

Is G GIMLI? Kind of Legolas's opposite.

GIMLI is from GILIM (http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Gilim)

Correct. :) (The 'he' is the giant, the opposite of which is a dwarf.)

S ... SHARKEY? (But no particular connection with Legolas).

Nope. I've been slightly cheeky with separating (or not separating) words in this one.

LONGING - To want no short adjective.
ERYN LASGALEN - Sounds like a girl, breathless in the Tibetan capital in a Scottish valley, lush once more.
GIMLI - Smash a giant to find his opposite.
OROPHER - Exclaim and tie a lady, but lose the very first fallen king.
5. L - The Frenchman's bane, tied with extra ribbon.
AROD - A horse on the back of an explorer
7. S - Speak softly! Evil dares within to cover the end.

hS

[Urwen]

7. Ents?

[Pervinca Took]

5. Locks?

[Huinesoron]

5. Locks?

7. Ents?

No, and with no more information I can't even tell if you're thinking in the right direction.

#5: There's not a specific Frenchman, but there is a group; and it's not tied with an extra ribbon.

#7: "Speak softly" is the straight clue (though a bit of a cheeky one). For the rest, you need one synonym, and two words which are written in the question.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

I think the Lorien lookout elves say Sam breathes loudly. Or that all the mortals do. Is it something to do with that? Legolas translates it.

Could the Frenchmen be Cordon Bleu chefs?

Cordon Bleu was originally an order of knights, Google tells me:

'The French term cordon bleu is translated as "blue ribbon". According to Larousse Gastronomique, the cordon bleu "was originally a wide blue ribbon worn by members of the highest order of knighthood, L'Ordre des chevaliers du Saint-Esprit, instituted by Henri III of France in 1578.'

[Huinesoron]

I think the Lorien lookout elves say Sam breathes loudly. Or that all the mortals do. Is it something to do with that? Legolas translates it.

Hmm, interesting. What was he translating from?

Could the Frenchmen be Cordon Bleu chefs?

Cordon Bleu was originally an order of knights, Google tells me:

'The French term cordon bleu is translated as "blue ribbon". According to Larousse Gastronomique, the cordon bleu "was originally a wide blue ribbon worn by members of the highest order of knighthood, L'Ordre des chevaliers du Saint-Esprit, instituted by Henri III of France in 1578.'

So, three replies:

a) No.

b) But the Frenchmen being bane'd are indeed knights.

c) You're about 163 years too late.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

SIN was very DARIN'

SINDARIN.

[Pervinca Took]

And Agincourt knights - of Armagnac.

Well, their bane (mostly) was the LONGBOW.

I suppose you'd need extra ribbon for a long bow.

[Huinesoron]

SIN was very DARIN'

SINDARIN.

Had I remembered that 'daring' was a word, this clue would have been much better. :) I did sin + dar(es) + in (ie, 'with in to cover the end').

And Agincourt knights - of Armagnac.

Well, their bane (mostly) was the LONGBOW.

I suppose you'd need extra ribbon for a long bow.

Oui, c'est vrai!

LONGING - To want no short adjective.
ERYN LASGALEN - Sounds like a girl, breathless in the Tibetan capital in a Scottish valley, lush once more.
GIMLI - Smash a giant to find his opposite.
OROPHER - Exclaim and tie a lady, but lose the very first fallen king.
LONGBOW - The Frenchman's bane, tied with extra ribbon.
AROD - A horse on the back of an explorer
SINDARIN - Speak softly! Evil dares within to cover the end.

Phew! Sorry about some of the clues, it's been a while. And I think G55 got the password.

hS

[Galadriel55]

Hui, I love your clues - even if I can't always follow the logic going forwards, I am endlessly amused at the explanation and breakdown. :)

I other news, is it just me or is it getting harder and harder to do themed passwords with new themes and only using first letters, or even first and last letters? I am very impressed when you guys pull it off.


1. Even after the start of summer, it is odd. (1)
2. For mirth, a mare got tangled in a net. (8)
3. He has no fear - but also no order. (3)
4. Number, unnoted, finds pointless unwrought metal in the sea. (7)
5. A folder, a line up, or a notched tool, by the sound of it. (5)
6. Celebrity at dusk - in Elvish. (6)
7. In the end a boy inside, Bergil gallivanted to the last. (1)
8. The rebel spun to become a queen. (8)
9. “Dagger-knowing killing oaf!” - you hear in the fight. (15)

[Urwen]

3 is Feanor.

[Urwen]

7. Gil-Galad (GIL+GAL+LAD)?

[Urwen]

9. Dagor Nuin Giliath?

[Urwen]

8. Elbereth

[Urwen]

6. Undomiel?

[Galadriel55]

Correct for all.



1. SEven after the start of summer, it is odd. (1)
2. TFor mirth, a mare got tangled in a net. (8)
3. FEANOR: He has no fear - but also no order. (3)
4. RNumber, unnoted, finds pointless unwrought metal in the sea. (7)
5. LA folder, a line up, or a notched tool, by the sound of it. (5)
6. UNDOMIEL: Celebrity at dusk - in Elvish. (6)
7. GIL-GALAD: In the end a boy inside, Bergil gallivanted to the last. (1)
8. ELBERETH: The rebel spun to become a queen. (8)
9. DAGOR-NUIN-GILIATH: “Dagger-knowing killing oaf!” - you hear in the fight. (15)

[Urwen]

Password guess: Starlight

[Galadriel55]

Password guess: Starlight

Correct - added above.

[Pervinca Took]

Is 4 Num(b)enor - no for pointless and 'ore' sound at the end?

It's *shaped* like a star ....

[Huinesoron]

Could #5 be MENELMACAR or MENELVAGOR? The "folder" could be a Manilla folder "by the sound of it", though I admit I can't do any of the rest.

hS

[Galadriel55]

Yes to Numenor, the Land of the Star. Alas, no to Menelvagor/macar. For that clue you do not need to add any words, only find the right word. And you could get there through one of multiple ways.



1. S Even after the start of summer, it is odd. (1)
2. T For mirth, a mare got tangled in a net. (8)
3. FEANOR: He has no fear - but also no order. (3)
4. NUMENOR: Number, unnoted, finds pointless unwrought metal in the sea. (7)
5. L A folder, a line up, or a notched tool, by the sound of it. (5)
6. UNDOMIEL: Celebrity at dusk - in Elvish. (6)
7. GIL-GALAD: In the end a boy inside, Bergil gallivanted to the last. (1)
8. ELBERETH: The rebel spun to become a queen. (8)
9. DAGOR-NUIN-GILIATH: “Dagger-knowing killing oaf!” - you hear in the fight. (15)

[Urwen]

5. Phial (Sounds like FILE)

[Galadriel55]

Eureka!


1. S Even after the start of summer, it is odd. (1)
2. T For mirth, a mare got tangled in a net. (8)
3. FEANOR: He has no fear - but also no order. (3)
4. NUMENOR: Number, unnoted, finds pointless unwrought metal in the sea. (7)
5. PHIAL: A folder, a line up, or a notched tool, by the sound of it. (5)
6. UNDOMIEL: Celebrity at dusk - in Elvish. (6)
7. GIL-GALAD: In the end a boy inside, Bergil gallivanted to the last. (1)
8. ELBERETH: The rebel spun to become a queen. (8)
9. DAGOR-NUIN-GILIATH: “Dagger-knowing killing oaf!” - you hear in the fight. (15)


For both remaining clues, you don't need to go hunting for vocabulary. All the elements you need are in the clues.

[Pervinca Took]

5. Phial (Sounds like FILE)

A REALLY clever clue, G55!

Fantastic work, Urwen.

[Pervinca Took]

Is number one simply SEVEN, for Seven Stars?

S(even). (S for start of summer).

Even ... and an odd number.

[Pervinca Took]

2. REMMIRATH (mirth a mare).

The 'net' in the clue reminded me of the 'netted stars.'

[Galadriel55]

*chants* SEVEN STARS AND SEVEN STONES AND ONE! WHITE! TREE!

Is number one simply SEVEN, for Seven Stars?

S(even). (S for start of summer).

Even ... and an odd number.

Correct! This is probably my favourite clue of this batch, though I like "file" too. ^.^ And correct for Remmirath.



1. SEVEN: Even after the start of summer, it is odd. (1)
2. REMMIRATH: For mirth, a mare got tangled in a net. (8)
3. FEANOR: He has no fear - but also no order. (3)
4. NUMENOR: Number, unnoted, finds pointless unwrought metal in the sea. (7)
5. PHIAL: A folder, a line up, or a notched tool, by the sound of it. (5)
6. UNDOMIEL: Celebrity at dusk - in Elvish. (6)
7. GIL-GALAD: In the end a boy inside, Bergil gallivanted to the last. (1)
8. ELBERETH: The rebel spun to become a queen. (8)
9. DAGOR-NUIN-GILIATH: “Dagger-knowing killing oaf!” - you hear in the fight. (15)


And now over to Urwen, I believe!

[Urwen]

Well, most of the clues here aren't cryptic, though some are.

1. A mutt full of courage, we hear, for him.
2. For him, pride (and greed) comes before the Fall
3. According to Martin, it's their dance.
4. The Sire of the greatest.
5. The one with many colors, named by his tower.
6. The plague of Arda, and bane of young.
7. Described by the title.

[Galadriel55]

3. Dragons?

7. Sauron?

[Urwen]

1. A mutt full of courage, we hear, for him.
2. For him, pride (and greed) comes before the Fall
DRAGONS: According to Martin, it's their dance.
4. The Sire of the greatest.
5. The one with many colors, named by his tower.
6. The plague of Arda, and bane of young.
SAURON: Described by the title.

[Pervinca Took]

2. Melkor? Or maybe Ar-Pharazon?

Is the password BADDIES?

5. ISENGARD?

[Urwen]

B: A mutt full of courage, we hear, for him.
AR-PHARAZON: For him, pride (and greed) comes before the Fall
DRAGONS: According to Martin, it's their dance.
D: The Sire of the greatest.
ISENGARD: The one with many colors, named by his tower.
E: The plague of Arda, and bane of young.
SAURON: Described by the title.

[Huinesoron]

Which presumably makes D DRAUGLUIN?

hS

[Urwen]

B: A mutt full of courage, we hear, for him.
AR-PHARAZON: For him, pride (and greed) comes before the Fall
DRAGONS: According to Martin, it's their dance.
DRAUGLUIN: The Sire of the greatest.
ISENGARD: The one with many colors, named by his tower.
E: The plague of Arda, and bane of young.
SAURON: Described by the title.

[Morsul the Dark]

1. Balrog now I’m forcing the clues to fit

Bulldog + …synonym for courage scrambled in the middle… sounds like Balrog

[Urwen]

Not so.

[Huinesoron]

I think B might be BOLDOG instead, from the Lay of Leithian era.

For E, "bane of the young" plus Urwen saying it suggests EVIL BREATH, killer of... well, Urwen!

hS

[Urwen]

BOLDOG: A mutt full of courage, we hear, for him.
AR-PHARAZON: For him, pride (and greed) comes before the Fall
DRAGONS: According to Martin, it's their dance.
DRAUGLUIN: The Sire of the greatest.
ISENGARD: The one with many colors, named by his tower.
EVIL BREATH: The plague of Arda, and bane of young.
SAURON: Described by the title.

And over to Pervinca!

[Pervinca Took]

Thanks - but I only solved the easiest clues, I think, and only got the password because of G55's work. ;) Still, here, according to the rules, is the next password:

1. Initially ruby red hot spam in a mélange shows directions.
2. An affectionate chap, this Bill.
3. Exclamation jars out here.
4. Nothing for Pony waiter who’s lost weight? See what a muddle there is here!
5. Oh Mr Branagh, protect us! Hear him! See him!
6. Gallant and brave, but confused, and with a liquid shift.
7. He’s all about this undergarment and its cup size!
8. Haradrim lad rises to the challenge. See the place within!
9. French betrayal without care meets a mixed-up boy for this chap.

[Urwen]

8. Imladris

[Huinesoron]

Is #2 a certain comedically named troll WILLIAM HUGGINS, (esquire)?

[Pervinca Took]

1. Initially ruby red hot spam in a mélange shows directions.
HUGGINS: An affectionate chap, this Bill.
3. Exclamation jars out here.
4. Nothing for Pony waiter who’s lost weight? See what a muddle there is here!
5. Oh Mr Branagh, protect us! Hear him! See him!
6. Gallant and brave, but confused, and with a liquid shift.
7. He’s all about this undergarment and its cup size!
IMLADRIS: Haradrim lad rises to the challenge. See the place within!
9. French betrayal without care meets a mixed-up boy for this chap.

It is. ;)

[Galadriel55]

Password: THE HOBBIT?

1. THROR'S MAP: R. R. + hot + spam - and does indeed show directions!

[Pervinca Took]

THROR'S MAP: Initially ruby red hot spam in a mélange shows directions.
HUGGINS: An affectionate chap, this Bill.
E Exclamation jars out here.

H Nothing for Pony waiter who’s lost weight? See what a muddle there is here!
O Oh Mr Branagh, protect us! Hear him! See him!
B Gallant and brave, but confused, and with a liquid shift.
B He’s all about this undergarment and its cup size!
IMLADRIS: Haradrim lad rises to the challenge. See the place within!
T French betrayal without care meets a mixed-up boy for this chap.

Good work!

[Huinesoron]

O: Oh Ken, shield! (OAKENSHIELD)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

THROR'S MAP: Initially ruby red hot spam in a mélange shows directions.
HUGGINS: An affectionate chap, this Bill.
E Exclamation jars out here.

H Nothing for Pony waiter who’s lost weight? See what a muddle there is here!
OAKENSHIELD: Oh Mr Branagh, protect us! Hear him! See him!
B Gallant and brave, but confused, and with a liquid shift.
B He’s all about this undergarment and its cup size!
IMLADRIS: Haradrim lad rises to the challenge. See the place within!
T French betrayal without care meets a mixed-up boy for this chap.

[Huinesoron]

For the second B I originally thought Bra'n'D, but 'all about' makes it even simpler: BARD.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

THROR'S MAP: Initially ruby red hot spam in a mélange shows directions.
HUGGINS: An affectionate chap, this Bill.
E Exclamation jars out here.

H Nothing for Pony waiter who’s lost weight? See what a muddle there is here!
OAKENSHIELD: Oh Mr Branagh, protect us! Hear him! See him!
B Gallant and brave, but confused, and with a liquid shift.
BARD: He’s all about this undergarment and its cup size!
IMLADRIS: Haradrim lad rises to the challenge. See the place within!
T French betrayal without care meets a mixed-up boy for this chap.

Correct - King Bard, known for cup D sized man boobs in later life.

[Huinesoron]

T: French for "betrayal" is trahison. If we drop the -ison as somehow being "care", and add lad > ald, we meet TRAHALD.

E: so you can make a soundalike for ESGAROTH from the first syllables of your three words: Ex > es, jar > gar (like "gif"), out > outh > oth.

H: so I wanted "lost weight" to mean a letter or two removed (eg g, lb), but that makes it really hard to find an H. If it doesn't, mean that, then we could be looking at O + (B/N)ob + light, which... I guess it has most of the letters for HOBBITON? You can get even closer with Nil + Bob + hot, if the weight-loss made him attractive (or sweaty).

B: No idea; I'm gonna guess BILBO or BALIN, as both are either gallant or brave and have liquids in their names.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

THROR'S MAP: Initially ruby red hot spam in a mélange shows directions.
HUGGINS: An affectionate chap, this Bill.
ESGAROTH: Exclamation jars out here.

HOBBITON: Nothing for Pony waiter who’s lost weight? See what a muddle there is here!
OAKENSHIELD: Oh Mr Branagh, protect us! Hear him! See him!
B Gallant and brave, but confused, and with a liquid shift.
BARD: He’s all about this undergarment and its cup size!
IMLADRIS: Haradrim lad rises to the challenge. See the place within!
TRAHALD: French betrayal without care meets a mixed-up boy for this chap.

ESGAROTH is OH + GRATES (jars) mixed up. 'Out' is the anagram indicator.

TRAHISON - SOIN (care) + LAD = TRAHALD.

O + BOB + THIN = HOBBITON.

B starts off with a word meaning gallant and brave.

[Pervinca Took]

Only one to go!

As stated above, B starts off with a word meaning gallant and brave.

[Huinesoron]

I'm running up against Boldog, who does not appear in The Hobbit. BOLG?

... or, okay, if the synonym is "noble", we can do an L>R shift and hit BEORN?

hS

[Pervinca Took]

THROR'S MAP: Initially ruby red hot spam in a mélange shows directions.
HUGGINS: An affectionate chap, this Bill.
ESGAROTH: Exclamation jars out here.

HOBBITON: Nothing for Pony waiter who’s lost weight? See what a muddle there is here!
OAKENSHIELD: Oh Mr Branagh, protect us! Hear him! See him!
BEORN: Gallant and brave, but confused, and with a liquid shift.
BARD: He’s all about this undergarment and its cup size!
IMLADRIS: Haradrim lad rises to the challenge. See the place within!
TRAHALD: French betrayal without care meets a mixed-up boy for this chap.

Exactly so. Shift from one liquid to another.

And over to Galadriel!

[Galadriel55]

Thank you! Here's another (hopefully) easy one.


1. Angband? Singular and undescriptive. You in, by the sound of it, and cold and blue.
2. Me, a Numenorean queen, loses myself when confusion noted, and shining bright.
3. The sun shines in rightless kingdom.
4. Ringil gets five first over top for a right, before it floats.
5. Earwen changes the head of war for backwards top, and a relative appears.
6. Light goes a different way and becomes its opposite.
7. A fictional coin for reaping.

[Urwen]

2. Isilme?
6. Night?

[Urwen]

1. Urin? He saw Angband, up close and personal, and he ended up...well, in cold and blue.

[Galadriel55]

1. Angband? Singular and undescriptive. You in, by the sound of it, and cold and blue.
2. Me, a Numenorean queen, loses myself when confusion noted, and shining bright.
3. The sun shines in rightless kingdom.
4. Ringil gets five first over top for a right, before it floats.
5. Earwen changes the head of war for backwards top, and a relative appears.
6. NIGHT: Light goes a different way and becomes its opposite.
7. A fictional coin for reaping.


Yes to Night. No to Isilme. And I don't even know who Urin is...

[Huinesoron]

(Urin is an old form of Hurin's name.)

In order of my thought process this morning:

#7: A SICKLE is a coin from Harry Potter, I believe.

#3: Can't make this Gondor, but if you remove R(ight) from Arnor, you get ANOR, the Sun.

Hmm... lots of sky stuff here.

#5: the 'head of war' is W. "Earen" evokes a certain name that fits the theme, and sure enough, a top is a lid > EARENDIL.

If #4 gets 'five first', that could be a Roman V, which means the password can be HEAVENS.

#1: Should end with -uin (but not the whale). Angband is the Hells of Iron; take away the plural and the descriptor and we get the stay HELLUIN.

#4: 'it floats' + V suggests VINGILOT, ship of Earendil. Ringil > Vingil, 'over top' could be top backwards, and 'for a right' would indicate that we're only using the right part, ie -ot.

hS

[Galadriel55]

Yes and yes and yes! Vingilot comes from Ringil - R(ight) + V (Roman 5) + O. T. (first of Over Top).

One more to go!


1. HELLUIN: Angband? Singular and undescriptive. You in, by the sound of it, and cold and blue.
2. E Me, a Numenorean queen, loses myself when confusion noted, and shining bright.
3. ANOR: The sun shines in rightless kingdom.
4. VINGILOT: Ringil gets five first over top for a right, before it floats.
5. EARENDIL: Earwen changes the head of war for backwards top, and a relative appears.
6. NIGHT: Light goes a different way and becomes its opposite.
7. SICKLE: A fictional coin for reaping.

[Huinesoron]

Well, working backwards from "I can only think of two astronomical Es and the other one is gone"... Me + Miriel - I + E, shaken not stirred, = ELEMMIRE.

hS

[Galadriel55]

Correct! And with that, over to Hui.


1. HELLUIN: Angband? Singular and undescriptive. You in, by the sound of it, and cold and blue.
2. ELEMMIRE: Me, a Numenorean queen, loses myself when confusion noted, and shining bright.
3. ANOR: The sun shines in rightless kingdom.
4. VINGILOT: Ringil gets five first over top for a right, before it floats.
5. EARENDIL: Earwen changes the head of war for backwards top, and a relative appears.
6. NIGHT: Light goes a different way and becomes its opposite.
7. SICKLE: A fictional coin for reaping.

[Huinesoron]

Great! That was fun, putting it together a piece at a time. And here we go:

1. - Speaker of a spell: "Become a limb!"
2. - The opposites of your wife's parents are wicked.
3. - A son named his father, but hesitated at the beginning of the world.
4. - A tasty king.
5. - Sounds grim, heir to the house.
6. - Before the road, a woman can go back and forth and seem fair.
7. - A confused alien with a Greek eye, and the first High King? I'm seeing red.
8. - In the shadows, hear me initially name my ideas for a villain.
9. - Muffin lost his tail, found a big stick, turned around and went down into a cave.
10. - Link up and profit in a break in the sun.
11. - A cat in eyeshadow definitely can't fly, but...
12. - The wretched band with an icy world covered in glitter.
13. - The Elvish fingermarks left by the childlike, or close enough for the youngest.
14. - Take a note at the top of the park, direct to the start of the word, and hide from him.

hS

[Urwen]

2. Outlaws

[Huinesoron]

2. Outlaws

Outlaws it is!

1. - Speaker of a spell: "Become a limb!"
OUTLAWS - The opposites of your wife's parents are wicked.
3. - A son named his father, but hesitated at the beginning of the world.
4. - A tasty king.
5. - Sounds grim, heir to the house.
6. - Before the road, a woman can go back and forth and seem fair.
7. - A confused alien with a Greek eye, and the first High King? I'm seeing red.
8. - In the shadows, hear me initially name my ideas for a villain.
9. - Muffin lost his tail, found a big stick, turned around and went down into a cave.
10. - Link up and profit in a break in the sun.
11. - A cat in eyeshadow definitely can't fly, but...
12. - The wretched band with an icy world covered in glitter.
13. - The Elvish fingermarks left by the childlike, or close enough for the youngest.
14. - Take a note at the top of the park, direct to the start of the word, and hide from him.

hS

[Urwen]

9. Finrod?

[Huinesoron]

9. Finrod?

Not Finrod.

hS

[Galadriel55]

Outlaws - LOL. :D

1. BELEG? "Be leg!"

[Huinesoron]

1. BELEG? "Be leg!"

Correct indeed!

BELEG - Speaker of a spell: "Become a limb!"
OUTLAWS - The opposites of your wife's parents are wicked.
3. - A son named his father, but hesitated at the beginning of the world.
4. - A tasty king.
5. - Sounds grim, heir to the house.
6. - Before the road, a woman can go back and forth and seem fair.
7. - A confused alien with a Greek eye, and the first High King? I'm seeing red.
8. - In the shadows, hear me initially name my ideas for a villain.
9. - Muffin lost his tail, found a big stick, turned around and went down into a cave.
10. - Link up and profit in a break in the sun.
11. - A cat in eyeshadow definitely can't fly, but...
12. - The wretched band with an icy world covered in glitter.
13. - The Elvish fingermarks left by the childlike, or close enough for the youngest.
14. - Take a note at the top of the park, direct to the start of the word, and hide from him.

hS

[Urwen]

Then 9 must be Thingol.

[Huinesoron]

Then 9 must be Thingol.

It is not.

Are you just guessing anyone connected with caves? :D:D

Edit: New page, I haven't done that for a while!

BELEG - Speaker of a spell: "Become a limb!"
OUTLAWS - The opposites of your wife's parents are wicked.
3. - A son named his father, but hesitated at the beginning of the world.
4. - A tasty king.
5. - Sounds grim, heir to the house.
6. - Before the road, a woman can go back and forth and seem fair.
7. - A confused alien with a Greek eye, and the first High King? I'm seeing red.
8. - In the shadows, hear me initially name my ideas for a villain.
9. - Muffin lost his tail, found a big stick, turned around and went down into a cave.
10. - Link up and profit in a break in the sun.
11. - A cat in eyeshadow definitely can't fly, but...
12. - The wretched band with an icy world covered in glitter.
13. - The Elvish fingermarks left by the childlike, or close enough for the youngest.
14. - Take a note at the top of the park, direct to the start of the word, and hide from him.

hS

[Urwen]

Yes. That, and the two answers we already have are both connected to Turin, as is Thingol. Plus, LOG backwards is in his name, which fits with the 'big stick' part.

[Huinesoron]

Yes. That, and the two answers we already have are both connected to Turin, as is Thingol. Plus, LOG backwards is in his name, which fits with the 'big stick' part.

That is the correct interpretation of the big stick part, but this character has nothing to do with Turin. :)

hS

[Urwen]

Well, I cannot understand the Muffin part.

[Pervinca Took]

Just had a thought - it's not Muffin the Mule, is it?

Or maybe a near-synonym of muffin, like bun.

GOLLUM? MUL + LOG. Just noticed that he turns around. And he lives in a cave.

Before I noticed that he turns around, I found out that Tolkien created an early language called MAGOL, which was quite like Hungarian.

[Pervinca Took]

12. I am going to try RINGIL, Fingolfin's glittery sword.

'Wretched band' made me think of the One RING, so I went to look for things starting with RING and found out that RING actually means 'cold, icy.'

Unless it's RINGLO, the cold river. RINGIL has a stronger or known glittery connection, though, even though rivers can glitter when the sun shines on them.

[Galadriel55]

Wonder if 6 is ANNATAR, because the pallindromic Anna cag go back and forth, and he did seem fair.

[Huinesoron]

Just had a thought - it's not Muffin the Mule, is it?

Or maybe a near-synonym of muffin, like bun.

GOLLUM? MUL + LOG. Just noticed that he turns around. And he lives in a cave.

Before I noticed that he turns around, I found out that Tolkien created an early language called MAGOL, which was quite like Hungarian.

It is both Muffin the Mule and Gollum!

12. I am going to try RINGIL, Fingolfin's glittery sword.

'Wretched band' made me think of the One RING, so I went to look for things starting with RING and found out that RING actually means 'cold, icy.'

Unless it's RINGLO, the cold river. RINGIL has a stronger or known glittery connection, though, even though rivers can glitter when the sun shines on them.

Neither of these; the band is not a ring.

Wonder if 6 is ANNATAR, because the pallindromic Anna cag go back and forth, and he did seem fair.

This is right; 'road' = tar(mac).

BELEG - Speaker of a spell: "Become a limb!"
OUTLAWS - The opposites of your wife's parents are wicked.
3. - A son named his father, but hesitated at the beginning of the world.
4. - A tasty king.
5. - Sounds grim, heir to the house.
ANNATAR - Before the road, a woman can go back and forth and seem fair.
7. - A confused alien with a Greek eye, and the first High King? I'm seeing red.
8. - In the shadows, hear me initially name my ideas for a villain.
GOLLUM - Muffin lost his tail, found a big stick, turned around and went down into a cave.
10. - Link up and profit in a break in the sun.
11. - A cat in eyeshadow definitely can't fly, but...
12. - The wretched band with an icy world covered in glitter.
13. - The Elvish fingermarks left by the childlike, or close enough for the youngest.
14. - Take a note at the top of the park, direct to the start of the word, and hide from him.

hS

[Urwen]

7. It's something to do with 'something+Finwe', and if the alien is Mork, I am thinking of Morifinwe, aka Caranthir the Red.

[Pervinca Took]

Maybe 12 starts with GAURWAITH

[Huinesoron]

7. It's something to do with 'something+Finwe', and if the alien is Mork, I am thinking of Morifinwe, aka Caranthir the Red.

It is a something-finwe (but frankly that's half the First Age), but the alien is not Mork, nor is there actually a "the alien". (But red is indeed a descriptor of the person.)

Maybe 12 starts with GAURWAITH

It does not.

hS

[Urwen]

7. Greek word for 'eye' is Mati, so then this is Maedhros?

[Urwen]

And 3 is then Curufin, because he technically did name his father, as they have the same name. :p

[Huinesoron]

7. Greek word for 'eye' is Mati, so then this is Maedhros?

:D Okay, right character, wrong name. I didn't know that Greek - I was making a cross-lingual pun on i grec (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/i_grec). And since you'd get it as soon as you remembered the -finwe, I'll just fill in alien > alyen > Nelyafinwe on your behalf. :)

And 3 is then Curufin, because he technically did name his father, as they have the same name. :p

It is not. Also, you want the father's name, as used by the son (once).

BELEG - Speaker of a spell: "Become a limb!"
OUTLAWS - The opposites of your wife's parents are wicked.
3. - A son named his father, but hesitated at the beginning of the world.
4. - A tasty king.
5. - Sounds grim, heir to the house.
ANNATAR - Before the road, a woman can go back and forth and seem fair.
NELYAFINWE - A confused alien with a Greek eye, and the first High King? I'm seeing red.
8. - In the shadows, hear me initially name my ideas for a villain.
GOLLUM - Muffin lost his tail, found a big stick, turned around and went down into a cave.
10. - Link up and profit in a break in the sun.
11. - A cat in eyeshadow definitely can't fly, but...
12. - The wretched band with an icy world covered in glitter.
13. - The Elvish fingermarks left by the childlike, or close enough for the youngest.
14. - Take a note at the top of the park, direct to the start of the word, and hide from him.

hS

[Urwen]

It is not. Also, you want the father's name, as used by the son (once).




Something is nagging on my brain now that I read this...something important, but I can't remember what exactly...

[Huinesoron]

Something is nagging on my brain now that I read this...something important, but I can't remember what exactly...

It is possible you will kick yourself over this one. It's definitely a question for you.

hS

[Urwen]

Eureka!

It's Umarth, isn't it?

Hesitation = Um
World = Earth

Um + (E)arth = Umarth

[Urwen]

And password could be BOUND AND GAGGED

[Pervinca Took]

8. Dark/darkness/dark lord.

[Galadriel55]

And password could be BOUND AND GAGGED

:eek: 0.o

8. Dark/darkness/dark lord.

Pervinca - you are brilliant. I couldn't figure out to do with the letters. But it's ENEMY - N. M. I. (well... it's eeeee if you say it in French...)

[Pervinca Took]

:eek: 0.o



Pervinca - you are brilliant. I couldn't figure out to do with the letters. But it's ENEMY - N. M. I. (well... it's eeeee if you say it in French...)

I'm afraid I'm not, at all. I just saw Urwen's guessing of the password, took the initial from her, then saw 'shadows.' And I'm not convinced I'm right even then!

Is the tasty king NOM? (Finrod).

[Galadriel55]

Is thd tasty king NOM? (Finrod).

Nooo..... Hui, this is next level passwording and punning... And I mean that as the highest possible compliment. It is bloody ridiculous, and I absolutely love it. But OMG tasty Nom - well, the werewolf must have thought so... Oh my gosh...



ETA: for #8, is it possible it's a combo of the two elements? Shadows + enemy = DARK FOE, aka Morgoth.

ETA #2: for 13, going purely by letter and theme, I would hazard Ernil i Pheriannath as the youngest.

[Huinesoron]

Wow, a lot of good replies here! Let's goooo!

Eureka!

It's Umarth, isn't it?

Hesitation = Um
World = Earth

Um + (E)arth = Umarth

Yes, precisely.

And password could be BOUND AND GAGGED

It is, and if memory serves it's all Pervinca's fault.


8. Dark/darkness/dark lord.

:eek: 0.o

Pervinca - you are brilliant. I couldn't figure out to do with the letters. But it's ENEMY - N. M. I. (well... it's eeeee if you say it in French...)

Correct, #8 is DARK NMI.



Is thd tasty king NOM? (Finrod).

Nooo..... Hui, this is next level passwording and punning... And I mean that as the highest possible compliment. It is bloody ridiculous, and I absolutely love it. But OMG tasty Nom - well, the werewolf must have thought so... Oh my gosh...


Nom nom nom the wise!



ETA #2: for 13, going purely by letter and theme, I would hazard Ernil i Pheriannath as the youngest.

"Prints of the Halflings", but in Elvish. :D

So after all that, let's see what we got!

BELEG - Speaker of a spell: "Become a limb!"
OUTLAWS - The opposites of your wife's parents are wicked.
UMARTH - A son named his father, but hesitated at the beginning of the world.
NOM - A tasty king.
5. D - Sounds grim, heir to the house.
ANNATAR - Before the road, a woman can go back and forth and seem fair.
NELYAFINWE - A confused alien with a Greek eye, and the first High King? I'm seeing red.
DARK ENEMY - In the shadows, hear me initially name my ideas for a villain.
GOLLUM - Muffin lost his tail, found a big stick, turned around and went down into a cave.
10. A - Link up and profit in a break in the sun.
11. G - A cat in eyeshadow definitely can't fly, but...
12. G - The wretched band with an icy world covered in glitter.
ERNIL I PHERIANNATH - The Elvish fingermarks left by the childlike, or close enough for the youngest.
14. D - Take a note at the top of the park, direct to the start of the word, and hide from him.

All answers come in pairs; I'll dig out the quotes when we finish, but:

Beleg - Outlaws
Umarth (Hurin) - ???
Nom (nomnom) - Annatar (Thu/Gorthaur/Sauron)
Nelyafinwe (Maedhros) - Dark Enemy (Morgoth)
Gollum - ???
Ernil i Pheriannath (Pippin) - ???
??? - ???

hS

[Urwen]

5 could be Daur, which sounds like 'dour'.

[Pervinca Took]

That would make Grishnakh and Gorbag contenders as hobbit-binders. Frodo was only bound in the earlier drafts, but I'm taking 'Bound and Gagged' as a metaphorical expression for 'captured.'

[Urwen]

11. Is Gothmog (GOTH+MOG)

[Pervinca Took]

Gollum was bound by ANBORN, (perhaps), but he was bound AND gagged by ARAGORN.

Both have ANOR for sun.

[Pervinca Took]

11. Is Gothmog (GOTH+MOG)

Of course! A moggy in Goth eye-shadow.

[Galadriel55]

I am convinced that "icy world" is Hoth, which offers words like GAURHOTH and GLAMHOTH. I am betting on the latter, as Pippin's capturers, and very glam with glitter. But why wretched? Or is this specifically regarding Ugluk&co, who met a sour end?

[Pervinca Took]

Wretched band of orcs, who end up dead.

[Urwen]

Huey seems to have disappeared...

[Galadriel55]

Huey seems to have disappeared...

A man's allowed to disappear for a couple days. :) Now, if he pulls a Gandalf and disappears for a couple years, now that would something. :p

[Pervinca Took]

The question is, who beginning with D captured Frodo?

Damrod guarded him awhile, along with Mablung, but does the name work?

DAUR *has* to be right - it fits the clue so well.

[Huinesoron]

5 could be Daur, which sounds like 'dour'.

Correct. The "House" is Bag-End.

That would make Grishnakh and Gorbag contenders as hobbit-binders. Frodo was only bound in the earlier drafts, but I'm taking 'Bound and Gagged' as a metaphorical expression for 'captured.'

Well, 'gagged' is for the words, but 'bound' is 100% literal. (Also neither of those are in the password.)

11. Is Gothmog (GOTH+MOG)

Of course! A moggy in Goth eye-shadow.

Ugh... "meow", I suppose, if you insist. But also yes.

Gollum was bound by ANBORN, (perhaps), but he was bound AND gagged by ARAGORN.

Both have ANOR for sun.

It is neither of these. But that A is indeed a binder, not a bindee.

I am convinced that "icy world" is Hoth, which offers words like GAURHOTH and GLAMHOTH. I am betting on the latter, as Pippin's capturers, and very glam with glitter. But why wretched? Or is this specifically regarding Ugluk&co, who met a sour end?

Glam Rock Hoth it is, and as Pervinca says...

Wretched band of orcs, who end up dead.

All Orcs are wretched. ^_^ Nothing deeper to it, it's just the straight clue.

Huey seems to have disappeared...

Weekend. But it's quite fun to know that 48 hours without my presence is too much to bear!

BELEG - Speaker of a spell: "Become a limb!"
OUTLAWS - The opposites of your wife's parents are wicked.
UMARTH - A son named his father, but hesitated at the beginning of the world.
NOM - A tasty king.
DAUR - Sounds grim, heir to the house.
ANNATAR - Before the road, a woman can go back and forth and seem fair.
NELYAFINWE - A confused alien with a Greek eye, and the first High King? I'm seeing red.
DARK ENEMY - In the shadows, hear me initially name my ideas for a villain.
GOLLUM - Muffin lost his tail, found a big stick, turned around and went down into a cave.
10. A - Link up and profit in a break in the sun.
GOTHMOG - A cat in eyeshadow definitely can't fly, but...
GLAMHOTH - The wretched band with an icy world covered in glitter.
ERNIL I PHERIANNATH - The Elvish fingermarks left by the childlike, or close enough for the youngest.
14. D - Take a note at the top of the park, direct to the start of the word, and hide from him.

Beleg & Outlaws
Umarth (Hurin) - Gothmog
Nom (nomnom) - Annatar (Thu/Gorthaur/Sauron)
Nelyafinwe (Maedhros) - Dark Enemy (Morgoth)
Gollum - Daur (Frodo)
Ernil i Pheriannath (Pippin) - Glamhoth (Orcs)
??? - ???

Two to go, and by chance they're a pair! One is an English name, one isn't.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Hang on ... is A ANGAINOR?

ANOR + GAIN, making Melkor the bindEE.*

* Who, to fit the clue, we must call the (D)ARK (L)ORD.

I had forgotten about Frodo (or rather Sam, on Frodo's orders) tying up Gollum.

[Huinesoron]

Hang on ... is A ANGAINOR?

ANOR + GAIN, making Melkor the bindEE.*

* Who, to fit the clue, we must call the (D)ARK (L)ORD.

I had forgotten about Frodo (or rather Sam, on Frodo's orders) tying up Gollum.

Oh yeah, Melkor swings both ways. ^_~ I know it meant repeating a character, but I figured it was acceptable under the circumstances. An(gain)or and the Park Word it is.

BELEG - Speaker of a spell: "Become a limb!"
OUTLAWS - The opposites of your wife's parents are wicked.
UMARTH - A son named his father, but hesitated at the beginning of the world.
NOM - A tasty king.
DAUR - Sounds grim, heir to the house.
ANNATAR - Before the road, a woman can go back and forth and seem fair.
NELYAFINWE - A confused alien with a Greek eye, and the first High King? I'm seeing red.
DARK ENEMY - In the shadows, hear me initially name my ideas for a villain.
GOLLUM - Muffin lost his tail, found a big stick, turned around and went down into a cave.
ANGAINOR - Link up and profit in a break in the sun.
GOTHMOG - A cat in eyeshadow definitely can't fly, but...
GLAMHOTH - The wretched band with an icy world covered in glitter.
ERNIL I PHERIANNATH - The Elvish fingermarks left by the childlike, or close enough for the youngest.
DARK LORD - Take a note at the top of the park, direct to the start of the word, and hide from him.

So there it is - the Bondage in Middle-earth password, as requested (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=734978&postcount=12006). Everyone say thank you to our participating couples (and, er, multiples?):


Beleg & Outlaws: "Then he bade them tie Beleg to a tree outside the cave; and when he was hard bound hand and foot they questioned him." [Unfinished Tales]
Umarth (Hurin) & Gothmog: "Then Gothmog bound him and dragged him to Angband with mockery." [Silmarillion]
Nom (nomnom) & Annatar (Sauron): "Lo! sudden there was rending sound / of chains that parted and unwound, / of meshes broken. Forth there leaped / upon the wolvish thing that crept / in shadow faithful Felagund..." [Lay of Leithian]
Nelyafinwe (Maedhros) & Dark Enemy (Morgoth): "Morgoth took Maedhros and hung him from the face of a precipice upon Thangorodrim, and he was caught to the rock by the wrist of his right hand in a band of steel."
Gollum & Daur (Frodo): "`All we need is something to keep a hold on him,' said Frodo. '... Tie one end to his ankle, and keep a grip on the other end.'" [Two Towers]
Ernil i Pheriannath (Pippin) & Glamhoth (Orcs): "For the moment Pippin was unwatched. His legs were securely bound, but his arms were only tied about the wrists, and his hands were in front of him." [Two Towers]
Dark Lord (Melkor) & Angainor: "Melkor took refuge in the uttermost pit. Then Tulkas stood forth as champion of the Valar and wrestled with him, and cast him upon his face; and he was bound with the chain Angainor that Aulë had wrought, and led captive..." [Silmarillion]


Over to Urwen!

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Excellent password. Finding pairs was a nice extra.

Even if we didn't get Gimli's apocryphal tying up of Legolas. :D

[Huinesoron]

Excellent password. Finding pairs was a nice extra.

Even if we didn't get Gimli's apocryphal tying up of Legolas. :D

I was leaving that one for you. :D

hS

[Galadriel55]

Gah! When Dark Enemy first popped up, I thought it was referring to Morgoth and the Angainor - but then assumed I was just wrong about that pair when he was paired up with Maedhros, and just never returned to it.

I loved that password, Hui. It is creative and hilarious. It's amazing that you managed to find so many first letter clues too. It's actually quite remarkable how many people were bound at one point or another (as to who bound Frodo - Shelob did, I kept trying to force her into the password too!), and, ME kinkiness aside, it's such a ridiculously wonderful theme, and so well done. I still can't get over Nomnomnom. Tasty Elvses!

[Urwen]

Let me use this space to ask someone, anyone, to continue the other games, such as the Riddles in the Downs, Bad Guy Trivia or Family Tree Trivia? Please?

[Urwen]

I guess you won't. Very well, then.

[Urwen]

I don't really think anything can top Huey's password, but I will try and make something soon.

[Pervinca Took]

Sorry, Urwen. I have played on the Riddle thread a little in the past, but not much, and never on the other. I don't have enough headspace and my heart would not be in it. Especially in this heat and whilst looking after my dad, who is recovering from Covid.

I enjoy the Password thread because it's like doing cryptic crosswords, and doesn't feel like a chore.

[Galadriel55]

Personally, I thought that it's a great idea to revive some of these threads, and decided to take a day or two to come up with a good question. But since you've decided they won't continue, I won't bother.

[Urwen]

Personally, I thought that it's a great idea to revive some of these threads, and decided to take a day or two to come up with a good question. But since you've decided they won't continue, I won't bother.

A day or two? I've asked people to revive it in May, and it has been two months since then, not 'a day or two'.

Not to mention that you had almost six months to revive them before I reminded you. If you had truly wanted to revive them, you would have done so by now. Six months.

The Riddle thread has been inactive for almost a year since you posted. True, I have posted with the intention to revive it, but no one wanted to, so don't patronize me.

I didn't decide on a whim. I gave you plenty of time to continue them. Don't blame me when you couldn't be bothered to do so for a year.

[Pervinca Took]

Then why make a plea for them to be revived yesterday, if you were already sure no-one wanted to?

[Urwen]

Because I had hoped that someone would respond by now?

[Pervinca Took]

Maybe it's better that one thread continues than none, though? The multiple clues and 'crossword' nature of this one make it easier to keep it going.

I occasionally buy puzzle books, but find in the end that I only want to do the crosswords.

[Urwen]

I will try to make something soonish, as soon as this heat wave passes, if you all are willing to wait that long, of course.

[Galadriel55]

I will try to make something soonish, as soon as this heat wave passes, if you all are willing to wait that long, of course.

A prime example of why one shouldn't go off the handle about waiting a few days for a response. ;)

[Urwen]

A prime example of why one shouldn't go off the handle about waiting a few days for a response. ;)

Maybe, but it hasn't been a few days. It had been a year. Or specifically, it had been a year since the other threads had any new puzzle.

[Pervinca Took]

We're a good bunch of puzzlers who have a lot of fun. Let's not quarrel.

I can wait. In fact, I'm going to assemble the new fan and have an ice lolly!

[Galadriel55]

No quarrels, yes fans! Though we had a thunderstorm here a few days ago which broke the heat for a couple days.

Maybe, but it hasn't been a few days. It had been a year. Or specifically, it had been a year since the other threads had any new puzzle.

Yes, threads sometimes fall silent. There are pages upon pages of silent threads collectig dust on the Downs, many have been sitting there for a lot longer than a year, these just happen to be the ones you want to revive - and it was only a couple days ago that you put out the call for revival, but you did not give anyone a chance to respond to your call. I was entirely willing to try revive one or two with you until you came out with your unilateral declaration. I still am willing to do so - not immediately, at least a few days from now because I am busy over the weekend - but it would be for the purpose of enjoying the puzzles, not for meeting some arbitrary deadline for intervals between posts. So if you can accept that posts may take several days in coming, we can restart another game. If not, then sorry, I'm out. And another thing - you have requested that the threads be closed. Now imagine what would have happened if a mod went ahead and did what you requested, even if you had the right to unilaterally shut down these threads. If your goal is to have them revived, I must say shutting them down achieves the exact opposite purpose. I am not participating in any of the games on such terms, where if the forum activity somehow does not meet your standards you call game over for everyone. If we can do this patiently, respectfully, and without ultimatums, let's do it. When it gets this way though, I lose all appetite for participating in the thread, and we go back to the initial dilemma. Please take down your last post in those threads, and we can try to return to the positive spirit of your initial request to revive them a few days ago.

[Urwen]

Then so shall it be done.

[Urwen]

I am still looking for a password.

[Pervinca Took]

I can help, if you like. I have some ready.

[Urwen]

Give me some more days. If I can't find any, you can take over then.

[Pervinca Took]

No problem.

[Urwen]

And I just came up with one.

1. Distant numeral is confused for him.
2. Here, endless loss combines with endless returning rage.
3. The Sun maiden's name, slightly confused, reveals her.
4. A summit of fate, it is.
5. Before the girl without end, it is revealed.

[Galadriel55]

3. Aerin?

[Urwen]

1. Distant numeral is confused for him.
2. Here, endless loss combines with endless returning rage.
AERIN: The Sun maiden's name, slightly confused, reveals her.
4. A summit of fate, it is.
5. Before the girl without end, it is revealed.

[Pervinca Took]

4. Mount Doom, or Orodruin?

2. LOSGAR.

Is the password FLAME?

5. ERELAS, the fourth beacon. ERE + LAS(S).

[Galadriel55]

If password is FLAME, then 1 is FEANOR: far + one.

[Urwen]

FEANOR: Distant numeral is confused for him.
LOSGAR: Here, endless loss combines with endless returning rage.
AERIN: The Sun maiden's name, slightly confused, reveals her.
MOUNT DOOM: A summit of fate, it is.
ERELAS: Before the girl without end, it is revealed.

I wanted to include Lalaith, but that would've been too far-fetched. Anyway, over to Pervinca.

[Pervinca Took]

Could work poetically for the fever that probably killed her?

I didn't notice the 'confused' in the F clue - got FAR but was trying FARAMIR (almost burned) and Roman numerals - but I was still left with AR or AIR. ;)

1. Minor Shakespearean lass loses her head twice to join a citrus fruit for her.
2. Swingy bit of clock loses hesitation, gains direction and note, and moves about a bit to reveal him.
3. Tolkien exclaims, elvishly, and creates him from a muddle?
4. She’s found in an unethical situation.
5. Oh, thanks, we hear for him!
6. He sounds a bit like a sort of weedkiller, but exclusively for banana plants!
7. Giant spider – mutilated, then nursed? Now see him: whole, and regal.
8. That toerag Norman is hiding him, I swear!

[Urwen]

8. Ragnor

[Pervinca Took]

1. Minor Shakespearean lass loses her head twice to join a citrus fruit for her.
2. Swingy bit of clock loses hesitation, gains direction and note, and moves about a bit to reveal him.
3. Tolkien exclaims, elvishly, and creates him from a muddle?
4. She’s found in an unethical situation.
5. Oh, thanks, we hear for him!
6. He sounds a bit like a sort of weedkiller, but exclusively for banana plants!
7. Giant spider – mutilated, then nursed? Now see him: whole, and regal.
RAGNOR: That toerag Norman is hiding him, I swear!

[Urwen]

Well, coincidentally, 1 includes my favorite Shakespearean girl.


Bianca - Bi + Lime gives us Ancalime.

[Urwen]

2. Penlod, maybe. Pendulum - um = Pendul. If we replace u with O and move the order a bit, we get Penlod.

Or maybe Pengolodh, if we add Go and H to Penlod.

[Pervinca Took]

ANCALIME: Minor Shakespearean lass loses her head twice to join a citrus fruit for her.
2. Swingy bit of clock loses hesitation, gains direction and note, and moves about a bit to reveal him.
3. Tolkien exclaims, elvishly, and creates him from a muddle?
4. She’s found in an unethical situation.
5. Oh, thanks, we hear for him!
6. He sounds a bit like a sort of weedkiller, but exclusively for banana plants!
7. Giant spider – mutilated, then nursed? Now see him: whole, and regal.
RAGNOR: That toerag Norman is hiding him, I swear!

There is more than one Bianca in Shakespeare - which play were you thinking of?

[Pervinca Took]

Not quite there on No. 2. You are right to take away UM, but pendulum has two U's, so it keeps one of them.

[Urwen]

ANCALIME: Minor Shakespearean lass loses her head twice to join a citrus fruit for her.
2. Swingy bit of clock loses hesitation, gains direction and note, and moves about a bit to reveal him.
3. Tolkien exclaims, elvishly, and creates him from a muddle?
4. She’s found in an unethical situation.
5. Oh, thanks, we hear for him!
6. He sounds a bit like a sort of weedkiller, but exclusively for banana plants!
7. Giant spider – mutilated, then nursed? Now see him: whole, and regal.
RAGNOR: That toerag Norman is hiding him, I swear!

There is more than one Bianca in Shakespeare - which play were you thinking of?


Taming of the Shrew.

[Urwen]

Pelendur (Pendul+E+R)

[Pervinca Took]

ANCALIME: Minor Shakespearean lass loses her head twice to join a citrus fruit for her.
PELENDUR: Swingy bit of clock loses hesitation, gains direction and note, and moves about a bit to reveal him.
3. Tolkien exclaims, elvishly, and creates him from a muddle?
4. She’s found in an unethical situation.
5. Oh, thanks, we hear for him!
6. He sounds a bit like a sort of weedkiller, but exclusively for banana plants!
7. Giant spider – mutilated, then nursed? Now see him: whole, and regal.
RAGNOR: That toerag Norman is hiding him, I swear!

Correct!

[Urwen]

5 is Nuneth

A(n uneth) ical situation

[Huinesoron]

Is 7 Arago(g) (mutilated) + Registered Nurse = ARAGORN?

hS

[Pervinca Took]

ANCALIME: Minor Shakespearean lass loses her head twice to join a citrus fruit for her.
PELENDUR: Swingy bit of clock loses hesitation, gains direction and note, and moves about a bit to reveal him.
3. Tolkien exclaims, elvishly, and creates him from a muddle?
NUNETH: She’s found in an unethical situation.
5. Oh, thanks, we hear for him!
6. He sounds a bit like a sort of weedkiller, but exclusively for banana plants!
ARAGORN: Giant spider – mutilated, then nursed? Now see him: whole, and regal.
RAGNOR: That toerag Norman is hiding him, I swear!

Exactement!

[Urwen]

Password: Apanonar, possibly?

[Urwen]

5. Ohtar?

[Pervinca Took]

Both correct, Urwen, but my phone is about to uncharge ....

[Pervinca Took]

ANCALIME: Minor Shakespearean lass loses her head twice to join a citrus fruit for her.
PELENDUR: Swingy bit of clock loses hesitation, gains direction and note, and moves about a bit to reveal him.
A Tolkien exclaims, elvishly, and creates him from a muddle?
NUNETH: She’s found in an unethical situation.
OHTAR: Oh, thanks, we hear for him!
N He sounds a bit like a sort of weedkiller, but exclusively for banana plants!
ARAGORN: Giant spider – mutilated, then nursed? Now see him: whole, and regal.
RAGNOR: That toerag Norman is hiding him, I swear!

[Galadriel55]

I feel like "Tolkien exclaims Elvishly" is probably AI, but can't make anything from a muddle.

[Huinesoron]

I feel like "Tolkien exclaims Elvishly" is probably AI, but can't make anything from a muddle.

Exactly where I got to. Could "exclaims, elvishly" mean two exclamations, like oh+ai =????

I figure N should start with a sound alike for (ba)nana, possibly with a nar involved, but a quick poke of the character lists got me nowhere.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

I feel like "Tolkien exclaims Elvishly" is probably AI, but can't make anything from a muddle.

AI is correct. What was one of the names Tolkien was called? Then muddle it.

NAR is correct. What sound might a weedkiller or pesticide or something end in?

[Galadriel55]

Hmm... ALDARION? With Ronald and AI?

[Pervinca Took]

ANCALIME: Minor Shakespearean lass loses her head twice to join a citrus fruit for her.
PELENDUR: Swingy bit of clock loses hesitation, gains direction and note, and moves about a bit to reveal him.
ALDARION: Tolkien exclaims, elvishly, and creates him from a muddle?
NUNETH: She’s found in an unethical situation.
OHTAR: Oh, thanks, we hear for him!
N He sounds a bit like a sort of weedkiller, but exclusively for banana plants!
ARAGORN: Giant spider – mutilated, then nursed? Now see him: whole, and regal.
RAGNOR: That toerag Norman is hiding him, I swear!

Aldarion, verily.

[Urwen]

Well, most pesticides end in - EN or - IEN, but the closest I can get from that is Arien/Aerin...

[Pervinca Took]

Not that ending.

Whom do you call if you have a rat infestation? In the UK, admittedly.

[Galadriel55]

...pest control? I am very confused about that clue...

[Pervinca Took]

https://www.rentokil.co.uk/

The people you call over here if you have a rat infestation.

[Urwen]

Narkil?

[Pervinca Took]

No, but 5 letters are right.

[Huinesoron]

Narkil?

No, but 5 letters are right.

I've been circling around "Narkil" for days (my only other option was Narbegon), so thank you Urwen for asking it!

Narsil is a sword, so isn't a 'he'. Nargil appears in Beleg's whetting spell, and might be a mortal - or a knife - or a dwarf - or another name for Angrist. Another Nargil is a pass into Mordor. Uhm... NANA-KIL > NARMA-CIL, Kings of Gondor?

hS

[Pervinca Took]

ANCALIME: Minor Shakespearean lass loses her head twice to join a citrus fruit for her.
PELENDUR: Swingy bit of clock loses hesitation, gains direction and note, and moves about a bit to reveal him.
ALDARION: Tolkien exclaims, elvishly, and creates him from a muddle?
NUNETH: She’s found in an unethical situation.
OHTAR: Oh, thanks, we hear for him!
NARMACIL: He sounds a bit like a sort of weedkiller, but exclusively for banana plants!
ARAGORN: Giant spider – mutilated, then nursed? Now see him: whole, and regal.
RAGNOR: That toerag Norman is hiding him, I swear!

All done - and I think the floor is Huinesoron's?

[Urwen]

No, it's mine, if I remember correctly...?

[Pervinca Took]

Password: Apanonar, possibly?

Quite right. Sorry!

Over to URWEN.

[Pervinca Took]

Can we have a password, Urwen?

[Urwen]

I'll have one made in the next three days. If I don't have one up by the end of August, you can continue.

[Pervinca Took]

As it's been a while now, I'm posting another one.

This one's in rhyming couplets. I hope you like it.

1. Praise them with the greatest praise, these Princes of the West!
2. Take note from a florin, leaving nothing. Oft he’s pressed.
3. She? Not she. Or he? Not he. Then you? No, no! Nor me!
4. Broideress, or spinner? Cast a net – a thrower, she!
5. Two kings mix – an ancient Brit, a dwarf – and make a third;
6. Illumination, fair beyond the scope of elvish word.
7. Marvellous and radiant, at mountain’s heart it lies,
8. Strength, endurance past hope’s end – such anguish in his eyes …
9. … Gifted, this, to light him, when all other lights should fail,
10. … And one who tries to heal him, and many souls who ail.
11. This thing cracks so easily, you walk on it with care;
12. And this one’s speech enchants, but only listen if you dare!
13. ‘Murderers and elf-friends!’ in great wrath by him was said;
14. Ancalime – in preference, this is the one she’d wed.
15. The French breeze it is mingled for him; short yet doughty, he,
16. And distant is a jewel? His quality is plain to see.
17. Earendil is its guardian; a Silmaril its form;
18. It’s heartbreaking and hideous, to see this one transform.
19. No lair after an article, that’s definite, for him,
20. And Eastern Rome morphs into one of the brave Rohirrim!
21. Starts radical – appalled, he sounds! No ire, though, ’neath his ’lids.
22. Just change the first for mints and sweets we ate when we were kids.
23. This word means wealth or treasures, that are used for good or ill,
24. And for these things, so wondrous fair, unnumbered tears will spill.

[Urwen]

3. Nori
19. Theoden
24. Silmarils?

[Urwen]

1. Ernil e Periannath?

[Pervinca Took]

Yes to all except number 1.

1. Praise them with the greatest praise, these Princes of the West!
2. Take note from a florin, leaving nothing. Oft he’s pressed.
NORI: She? Not she. Or he? Not he. Then you? No, no! Nor me!
4. Broideress, or spinner? Cast a net – a thrower, she!
5. Two kings mix – an ancient Brit, a dwarf – and make a third;
6. Illumination, fair beyond the scope of elvish word.
7. Marvellous and radiant, at mountain’s heart it lies,
8. Strength, endurance past hope’s end – such anguish in his eyes …
9. … Gifted, this, to light him, when all other lights should fail,
10. … And one who tries to heal him, and many souls who ail.
11. This thing cracks so easily, you walk on it with care;
12. And this one’s speech enchants, but only listen if you dare!
13. ‘Murderers and elf-friends!’ in great wrath by him was said;
14. Ancalime – in preference, this is the one she’d wed.
15. The French breeze it is mingled for him; short yet doughty, he,
16. And distant is a jewel? His quality is plain to see.
17. Earendil is its guardian; a Silmaril its form;
18. It’s heartbreaking and hideous, to see this one transform.
THEODEN: No lair after an article, that’s definite, for him,
20. And Eastern Rome morphs into one of the brave Rohirrim!
21. Starts radical – appalled, he sounds! No ire, though, ’neath his ’lids.
22. Just change the first for mints and sweets we ate when we were kids.
23. This word means wealth or treasures, that are used for good or ill,
SILMARILS: And for these things, so wondrous fair, unnumbered tears will spill.

[Galadriel55]

Love the rhymes!

2. Olorin?

7. Arkenstone?

9. Phial?

12. Saruman?

[Pervinca Took]

1. Praise them with the greatest praise, these Princes of the West!
OLORIN: Take note from a florin, leaving nothing. Oft he’s pressed.
NORI: She? Not she. Or he? Not he. Then you? No, no! Nor me!
4. Broideress, or spinner? Cast a net – a thrower, she!
5. Two kings mix – an ancient Brit, a dwarf – and make a third;
6. Illumination, fair beyond the scope of elvish word.
ARKENSTONE: Marvellous and radiant, at mountain’s heart it lies,
8. Strength, endurance past hope’s end – such anguish in his eyes …
NERWEN'S PHIAL: Gifted, this, to light him, when all other lights should fail,
10. … And one who tries to heal him, and many souls who ail.
11. This thing cracks so easily, you walk on it with care;
SARUMAN: And this one’s speech enchants, but only listen if you dare!
13. ‘Murderers and elf-friends!’ in great wrath by him was said;
14. Ancalime – in preference, this is the one she’d wed.
15. The French breeze it is mingled for him; short yet doughty, he,
16. And distant is a jewel? His quality is plain to see.
17. Earendil is its guardian; a Silmaril its form;
18. It’s heartbreaking and hideous, to see this one transform.
THEODEN: No lair after an article, that’s definite, for him,
20. And Eastern Rome morphs into one of the brave Rohirrim!
21. Starts radical – appalled, he sounds! No ire, though, ’neath his ’lids.
22. Just change the first for mints and sweets we ate when we were kids.
23. This word means wealth or treasures, that are used for good or ill,
SILMARILS: And for these things, so wondrous fair, unnumbered tears will spill.

[Galadriel55]

16. Faramir?

[Pervinca Took]

1. Praise them with the greatest praise, these Princes of the West!
OLORIN: Take note from a florin, leaving nothing. Oft he’s pressed.
NORI: She? Not she. Or he? Not he. Then you? No, no! Nor me!
4. Broideress, or spinner? Cast a net – a thrower, she!
5. Two kings mix – an ancient Brit, a dwarf – and make a third;
6. Illumination, fair beyond the scope of elvish word.
ARKENSTONE: Marvellous and radiant, at mountain’s heart it lies,
8. Strength, endurance past hope’s end – such anguish in his eyes …
NERWEN'S PHIAL: Gifted, this, to light him, when all other lights should fail,
10. … And one who tries to heal him, and many souls who ail.
11. This thing cracks so easily, you walk on it with care;
SARUMAN: And this one’s speech enchants, but only listen if you dare!
13. ‘Murderers and elf-friends!’ in great wrath by him was said;
14. Ancalime – in preference, this is the one she’d wed.
15. The French breeze it is mingled for him; short yet doughty, he,
FARAMIR: And distant is a jewel? His quality is plain to see.
17. Earendil is its guardian; a Silmaril its form;
18. It’s heartbreaking and hideous, to see this one transform.
THEODEN: No lair after an article, that’s definite, for him,
20. And Eastern Rome morphs into one of the brave Rohirrim!
21. Starts radical – appalled, he sounds! No ire, though, ’neath his ’lids.
22. Just change the first for mints and sweets we ate when we were kids.
23. This word means wealth or treasures, that are used for good or ill,
SILMARILS: And for these things, so wondrous fair, unnumbered tears will spill.

[Urwen]

4. Shelob?

[Pervinca Took]

1. Praise them with the greatest praise, these Princes of the West!
OLORIN: Take note from a florin, leaving nothing. Oft he’s pressed.
NORI: She? Not she. Or he? Not he. Then you? No, no! Nor me!
SHELOB: Broideress, or spinner? Cast a net – a thrower, she!
5. Two kings mix – an ancient Brit, a dwarf – and make a third;
6. Illumination, fair beyond the scope of elvish word.
ARKENSTONE: Marvellous and radiant, at mountain’s heart it lies,
8. Strength, endurance past hope’s end – such anguish in his eyes …
NERWEN'S PHIAL: Gifted, this, to light him, when all other lights should fail,
10. … And one who tries to heal him, and many souls who ail.
11. This thing cracks so easily, you walk on it with care;
SARUMAN: And this one’s speech enchants, but only listen if you dare!
13. ‘Murderers and elf-friends!’ in great wrath by him was said;
14. Ancalime – in preference, this is the one she’d wed.
15. The French breeze it is mingled for him; short yet doughty, he,
FARAMIR: And distant is a jewel? His quality is plain to see.
17. Earendil is its guardian; a Silmaril its form;
18. It’s heartbreaking and hideous, to see this one transform.
THEODEN: No lair after an article, that’s definite, for him,
20. And Eastern Rome morphs into one of the brave Rohirrim!
21. Starts radical – appalled, he sounds! No ire, though, ’neath his ’lids.
22. Just change the first for mints and sweets we ate when we were kids.
23. This word means wealth or treasures, that are used for good or ill,
SILMARILS: And for these things, so wondrous fair, unnumbered tears will spill.

[Galadriel55]

10. Aragorn?

13. The line, of course, belongs to the Great Goblin. Beat them, slash them, bite them, gnash them!

20. Eomer, from E + ROME?

[Pervinca Took]

1. Praise them with the greatest praise, these Princes of the West!
OLORIN: Take note from a florin, leaving nothing. Oft he’s pressed.
NORI: She? Not she. Or he? Not he. Then you? No, no! Nor me!
SHELOB: Broideress, or spinner? Cast a net – a thrower, she!
5. Two kings mix – an ancient Brit, a dwarf – and make a third;
6. Illumination, fair beyond the scope of elvish word.
ARKENSTONE: Marvellous and radiant, at mountain’s heart it lies,
8. Strength, endurance past hope’s end – such anguish in his eyes …
NERWEN'S PHIAL: Gifted, this, to light him, when all other lights should fail,
ELESSAR: … And one who tries to heal him, and many souls who ail.
11. This thing cracks so easily, you walk on it with care;
SARUMAN: And this one’s speech enchants, but only listen if you dare!
AZOG'S KINSMAN: ‘Murderers and elf-friends!’ in great wrath by him was said;
14. Ancalime – in preference, this is the one she’d wed.
15. The French breeze it is mingled for him; short yet doughty, he,
FARAMIR: And distant is a jewel? His quality is plain to see.
17. Earendil is its guardian; a Silmaril its form;
18. It’s heartbreaking and hideous, to see this one transform.
THEODEN: No lair after an article, that’s definite, for him,
EOMER: And Eastern Rome morphs into one of the brave Rohirrim!
21. Starts radical – appalled, he sounds! No ire, though, ’neath his ’lids.
22. Just change the first for mints and sweets we ate when we were kids.
23. This word means wealth or treasures, that are used for good or ill,
SILMARILS: And for these things, so wondrous fair, unnumbered tears will spill.

Yes indeed. Sometimes by other names, but the clue asked for the person, not the specific letters, in those instances.

I THINK the Great Goblin was a kinsman of Azog. And I suppose he is anyway in the broad sense, since both are goblins.

[Urwen]

11. Ice? Or Grinding Ice, more specifically?

[Pervinca Took]

11. Ice? Or Grinding Ice, more specifically?

Afraid not. This one is only Tolkienian because it appears in one of the Riddles.

[Urwen]

11. Egg?

[Pervinca Took]

1. Praise them with the greatest praise, these Princes of the West!
OLORIN: Take note from a florin, leaving nothing. Oft he’s pressed.
NORI: She? Not she. Or he? Not he. Then you? No, no! Nor me!
SHELOB: Broideress, or spinner? Cast a net – a thrower, she!
5. Two kings mix – an ancient Brit, a dwarf – and make a third;
6. Illumination, fair beyond the scope of elvish word.
ARKENSTONE: Marvellous and radiant, at mountain’s heart it lies,
8. Strength, endurance past hope’s end – such anguish in his eyes …
NERWEN'S PHIAL: Gifted, this, to light him, when all other lights should fail,
ELESSAR: … And one who tries to heal him, and many souls who ail.
EGGSHELL: This thing cracks so easily, you walk on it with care;
SARUMAN: And this one’s speech enchants, but only listen if you dare!
AZOG'S KINSMAN: ‘Murderers and elf-friends!’ in great wrath by him was said;
14. Ancalime – in preference, this is the one she’d wed.
15. The French breeze it is mingled for him; short yet doughty, he,
FARAMIR: And distant is a jewel? His quality is plain to see.
17. Earendil is its guardian; a Silmaril its form;
18. It’s heartbreaking and hideous, to see this one transform.
THEODEN: No lair after an article, that’s definite, for him,
EOMER: And Eastern Rome morphs into one of the brave Rohirrim!
21. Starts radical – appalled, he sounds! No ire, though, ’neath his ’lids.
22. Just change the first for mints and sweets we ate when we were kids.
23. This word means wealth or treasures, that are used for good or ill,
SILMARILS: And for these things, so wondrous fair, unnumbered tears will spill.

[Galadriel55]

8. Gonna guess Frodo, especially if "he" is the same as the subsequent clues.

17. Light [unmarred, of the Trees]?

[Huinesoron]

14 - I was pretty sure Ancalime didn't want to marry anyone, but had to look up the exact reference. "That would be Úner (which is 'Noman'), whom I prefer above all others."

Sources are unclear as to whether she means Noman (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odysseus) or Gnome Ann (https://xkcd.com/1704/); or possibly she was just into ladies ("No living man am I!").

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. Praise them with the greatest praise, these Princes of the West!
OLORIN: Take note from a florin, leaving nothing. Oft he’s pressed.
NORI: She? Not she. Or he? Not he. Then you? No, no! Nor me!
SHELOB: Broideress, or spinner? Cast a net – a thrower, she!
5. Two kings mix – an ancient Brit, a dwarf – and make a third;
6. Illumination, fair beyond the scope of elvish word.
ARKENSTONE: Marvellous and radiant, at mountain’s heart it lies,
IORHAEL: Strength, endurance past hope’s end – such anguish in his eyes …
NERWEN'S PHIAL: Gifted, this, to light him, when all other lights should fail,
ELESSAR: … And one who tries to heal him, and many souls who ail.
EGGSHELL: This thing cracks so easily, you walk on it with care;
SARUMAN: And this one’s speech enchants, but only listen if you dare!
AZOG'S KINSMAN: ‘Murderers and elf-friends!’ in great wrath by him was said;
NO-ONE: Ancalime – in preference, this is the one she’d wed.
15. The French breeze it is mingled for him; short yet doughty, he,
FARAMIR: And distant is a jewel? His quality is plain to see.
EVENING STAR'S LIGHT: Earendil is its guardian; a Silmaril its form;
18. It’s heartbreaking and hideous, to see this one transform.
THEODEN: No lair after an article, that’s definite, for him,
EOMER: And Eastern Rome morphs into one of the brave Rohirrim!
21. Starts radical – appalled, he sounds! No ire, though, ’neath his ’lids.
22. Just change the first for mints and sweets we ate when we were kids.
23. This word means wealth or treasures, that are used for good or ill,
SILMARILS: And for these things, so wondrous fair, unnumbered tears will spill.

Near enough on all three - saves me asking you for alternative names, since the clues weren't letter-based.

[Pervinca Took]

Has no-one seen the pattern yet? Big hint ...
very majorly inspired by Huinesoron's last password. ;)

[Huinesoron]

Has no-one seen the pattern yet? Big hint ...
very majorly inspired by Huinesoron's last password. ;)

Oh sweet Nienna, that was the bondage one wasn't it? You're really getting into this. :eek:

Okay, I feel like the Phial and the light of the evenstar are a pair (one contains the other) - but they're the only pair I've found! Eggshell ought to be quite distinctive, because the only instance I can remember is the riddle. Hmm... is #23 something like GOLD? Could also be RICHES or at a stretch HOARD.

And I guess the Silmarils contain the light of the Trees, which would fit for #6... it says elvish, so CALA or one of its relatives perhaps?

Okay, the password looks like it might have 'and fetter' in, starting from #13. That suggests TRAHALD for #18. Can't do the D, though.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. Praise them with the greatest praise, these Princes of the West!
OLORIN: Take note from a florin, leaving nothing. Oft he’s pressed.
NORI: She? Not she. Or he? Not he. Then you? No, no! Nor me!
SHELOB: Broideress, or spinner? Cast a net – a thrower, she!
5. Two kings mix – an ancient Brit, a dwarf – and make a third;
RADIANCE OF THE TREES: Illumination, fair beyond the scope of elvish word.
ARKENSTONE: Marvellous and radiant, at mountain’s heart it lies,
IORHAEL: Strength, endurance past hope’s end – such anguish in his eyes …
NERWEN'S PHIAL: Gifted, this, to light him, when all other lights should fail,
ELESSAR: … And one who tries to heal him, and many souls who ail.
EGGSHELL: This thing cracks so easily, you walk on it with care;
SARUMAN: And this one’s speech enchants, but only listen if you dare!

AZOG'S KINSMAN: ‘Murderers and elf-friends!’ in great wrath by him was said;
NO-ONE: Ancalime – in preference, this is the one she’d wed.
15. The French breeze it is mingled for him; short yet doughty, he,

FARAMIR: And distant is a jewel? His quality is plain to see.
EVENING STAR'S LIGHT: Earendil is its guardian; a Silmaril its form;
TRAHALD: It’s heartbreaking and hideous, to see this one transform.
THEODEN: No lair after an article, that’s definite, for him,
EOMER: And Eastern Rome morphs into one of the brave Rohirrim!
21. Starts radical – appalled, he sounds! No ire, though, ’neath his ’lids.
22. Just change the first for mints and sweets we ate when we were kids.
RICHES: This word means wealth or treasures, that are used for good or ill,
SILMARILS: And for these things, so wondrous fair, unnumbered tears will spill.

I'm sure you can see more pairs if you try. ;)

[Urwen]

Password: Constrainees and fetterers?

[Pervinca Took]

C Praise them with the greatest praise, these Princes of the West!
OLORIN: Take note from a florin, leaving nothing. Oft he’s pressed.
NORI: She? Not she. Or he? Not he. Then you? No, no! Nor me!
SHELOB: Broideress, or spinner? Cast a net – a thrower, she!
T Two kings mix – an ancient Brit, a dwarf – and make a third;
RADIANCE OF THE TREES: Illumination, fair beyond the scope of elvish word.
ARKENSTONE: Marvellous and radiant, at mountain’s heart it lies,
IORHAEL: Strength, endurance past hope’s end – such anguish in his eyes …
NERWEN'S PHIAL: Gifted, this, to light him, when all other lights should fail,
ELESSAR: … And one who tries to heal him, and many souls who ail.
EGGSHELL: This thing cracks so easily, you walk on it with care;
SARUMAN: And this one’s speech enchants, but only listen if you dare!

AZOG'S KINSMAN: ‘Murderers and elf-friends!’ in great wrath by him was said;
NO-ONE: Ancalime – in preference, this is the one she’d wed.
D The French breeze it is mingled for him; short yet doughty, he,

FARAMIR: And distant is a jewel? His quality is plain to see.
EVENING STAR'S LIGHT: Earendil is its guardian; a Silmaril its form;
TRAHALD: It’s heartbreaking and hideous, to see this one transform.
THEODEN: No lair after an article, that’s definite, for him,
EOMER: And Eastern Rome morphs into one of the brave Rohirrim!
R Starts radical – appalled, he sounds! No ire, though, ’neath his ’lids.
E Just change the first for mints and sweets we ate when we were kids.
RICHES: This word means wealth or treasures, that are used for good or ill,
SILMARILS: And for these things, so wondrous fair, unnumbered tears will spill.

Urwen has it!

Five clues to go.

[Urwen]

1. Cormacolindor?

[Huinesoron]

Taking a look at the pairs so far, I can make:

Saruman - Olorin
Azog's Kinsman - Nori
Shelob - Iorhael
Silmarils - Radiance of the Trees
Nerwen's Phial - Evening Star's Light
Elessar - Trahald
Eggshell - Riches
Faramir - (Cormacolindor)
Theoden - Eomer

Which leaves "Arkenstone" and "No-one", along with T (a king), D (someone short), R (a male), and E (unknown).

The only time the Arkenstone was particularly fettered was when Bilbo stole it - the rest of the time it was just kind of lying about. Could some descriptive phrase for Bilbo be the D clue? "short yet doughty" would fit.

I seem to recall that No-one ever caught Tom Bombadil about his ramblings, but I don't think there's a name that will fit any of the clues. He's a master, not a king.

I really want E to be Eonbon or Eumbug or something like that. ^_^

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. Cormacolindor?

Nope.

Right characters, though.

[Pervinca Took]

The only time the Arkenstone was particularly fettered was when Bilbo stole it - the rest of the time it was just kind of lying about. Could some descriptive phrase for Bilbo be the D clue? "short yet doughty" would fit.

hS

Wrong about the D clue. It's cryptic, and composed of two elements (as in parts - not chemical ones).

Remember that the constraining and fettering is sometimes/often metaphorical. And think of the final, (well, excluding Dagor Dagoraths and stuff) resting place of the Arkenstone.

Pairs are correct, but 'Cormacolindor' means 'Ringbearers,' and is not the first answer.

'No-one' is paired with someone who fits, but perhaps not 'screamingly' so.

I tried all kinds of words/synonyms to make a password that did what Huey's did, and 'Constrainees And Fetterers' was literally the only such phrase I could make possible answers work with.

[Urwen]

1. Conin en Annun?

[Pervinca Took]

CONIN EN ANNUN: Praise them with the greatest praise, these Princes of the West!
OLORIN: Take note from a florin, leaving nothing. Oft he’s pressed.
NORI: She? Not she. Or he? Not he. Then you? No, no! Nor me!
SHELOB: Broideress, or spinner? Cast a net – a thrower, she!
T Two kings mix – an ancient Brit, a dwarf – and make a third;
RADIANCE OF THE TREES: Illumination, fair beyond the scope of elvish word.
ARKENSTONE: Marvellous and radiant, at mountain’s heart it lies,
IORHAEL: Strength, endurance past hope’s end – such anguish in his eyes …
NERWEN'S PHIAL: Gifted, this, to light him, when all other lights should fail,
ELESSAR: … And one who tries to heal him, and many souls who ail.
EGGSHELL: This thing cracks so easily, you walk on it with care;
SARUMAN: And this one’s speech enchants, but only listen if you dare!

AZOG'S KINSMAN: ‘Murderers and elf-friends!’ in great wrath by him was said;
NO-ONE: Ancalime – in preference, this is the one she’d wed.
D The French breeze it is mingled for him; short yet doughty, he,

FARAMIR: And distant is a jewel? His quality is plain to see.
EVENING STAR'S LIGHT: Earendil is its guardian; a Silmaril its form;
TRAHALD: It’s heartbreaking and hideous, to see this one transform.
THEODEN: No lair after an article, that’s definite, for him,
EOMER: And Eastern Rome morphs into one of the brave Rohirrim!
R Starts radical – appalled, he sounds! No ire, though, ’neath his ’lids.
E Just change the first for mints and sweets we ate when we were kids.
RICHES: This word means wealth or treasures, that are used for good or ill,
SILMARILS: And for these things, so wondrous fair, unnumbered tears will spill.

Yes. I thought 'Praise them with ... [great] praise' was a pretty generous hint! 'Conin en Annun' *means* 'Princes of the West.'

In other news, on 'Pointless' yesterday, they had 'imaginary languages' as a category, and not one of the six answers was a Tolkien language!

[Urwen]

T could be Thorin, but who is the Brit?

[Pervinca Took]

T could be Thorin, but who is the Brit?

Not Thorin, but close.

The British King is quite obscure.

It's a MAKE of mints/sweets in the E clue. A British make, which I don't think exists any more.

[Urwen]

And D is Dwalin (LA+WIND)

[Pervinca Took]

CONIN EN ANNUN: Praise them with the greatest praise, these Princes of the West!
OLORIN: Take note from a florin, leaving nothing. Oft he’s pressed.
NORI: She? Not she. Or he? Not he. Then you? No, no! Nor me!
SHELOB: Broideress, or spinner? Cast a net – a thrower, she!
T Two kings mix – an ancient Brit, a dwarf – and make a third;
RADIANCE OF THE TREES: Illumination, fair beyond the scope of elvish word.
ARKENSTONE: Marvellous and radiant, at mountain’s heart it lies,
IORHAEL: Strength, endurance past hope’s end – such anguish in his eyes …
NERWEN'S PHIAL: Gifted, this, to light him, when all other lights should fail,
ELESSAR: … And one who tries to heal him, and many souls who ail.
EGGSHELL: This thing cracks so easily, you walk on it with care;
SARUMAN: And this one’s speech enchants, but only listen if you dare!

AZOG'S KINSMAN: ‘Murderers and elf-friends!’ in great wrath by him was said;
NO-ONE: Ancalime – in preference, this is the one she’d wed.
DWALIN: The French breeze it is mingled for him; short yet doughty, he,

FARAMIR: And distant is a jewel? His quality is plain to see.
EVENING STAR'S LIGHT: Earendil is its guardian; a Silmaril its form;
TRAHALD: It’s heartbreaking and hideous, to see this one transform.
THEODEN: No lair after an article, that’s definite, for him,
EOMER: And Eastern Rome morphs into one of the brave Rohirrim!
R Starts radical – appalled, he sounds! No ire, though, ’neath his ’lids.
E Just change the first for mints and sweets we ate when we were kids.
RICHES: This word means wealth or treasures, that are used for good or ill,
SILMARILS: And for these things, so wondrous fair, unnumbered tears will spill.

P.S. The sweet company in question does still exist, but it has merged with another company, so the name is both companies put together.

[Urwen]

British company?

[Urwen]

Nvm, found it, and with that in mind, E is Erebor

[Pervinca Took]

CONIN EN ANNUN: Praise them with the greatest praise, these Princes of the West!
OLORIN: Take note from a florin, leaving nothing. Oft he’s pressed.
NORI: She? Not she. Or he? Not he. Then you? No, no! Nor me!
SHELOB: Broideress, or spinner? Cast a net – a thrower, she!
T Two kings mix – an ancient Brit, a dwarf – and make a third;
RADIANCE OF THE TREES: Illumination, fair beyond the scope of elvish word.
ARKENSTONE: Marvellous and radiant, at mountain’s heart it lies,
IORHAEL: Strength, endurance past hope’s end – such anguish in his eyes …
NERWEN'S PHIAL: Gifted, this, to light him, when all other lights should fail,
ELESSAR: … And one who tries to heal him, and many souls who ail.
EGGSHELL: This thing cracks so easily, you walk on it with care;
SARUMAN: And this one’s speech enchants, but only listen if you dare!

AZOG'S KINSMAN: ‘Murderers and elf-friends!’ in great wrath by him was said;
NO-ONE: Ancalime – in preference, this is the one she’d wed.
DWALIN: The French breeze it is mingled for him; short yet doughty, he,

FARAMIR: And distant is a jewel? His quality is plain to see.
EVENING STAR'S LIGHT: Earendil is its guardian; a Silmaril its form;
TRAHALD: It’s heartbreaking and hideous, to see this one transform.
THEODEN: No lair after an article, that’s definite, for him,
EOMER: And Eastern Rome morphs into one of the brave Rohirrim!
R Starts radical – appalled, he sounds! No ire, though, ’neath his ’lids.
EREBOR: Just change the first for mints and sweets we ate when we were kids.
RICHES: This word means wealth or treasures, that are used for good or ill,
SILMARILS: And for these things, so wondrous fair, unnumbered tears will spill.

I have quite fond memories of Trebor Mints. ;)

Trebor is 'Robert' backwards.

[Huinesoron]

Going completely clue-free: if T isn't Thorin, maybe it's THRAIN.

I think you said all my pairs were right last time, so now we're left with

Arkenstone - Erebor (final resting place)
Dwalin
No-one
???Thrain
???R

Perhaps Dwalin was constrained by Thrain to accompany him on his original quest to Erebor? That would mean R sits with No-one.

Hmm... is it RADAGAST? Starts with rad-, and sounds aghast?

gS

[Pervinca Took]

CONIN EN ANNUN: Praise them with the greatest praise, these Princes of the West!
OLORIN: Take note from a florin, leaving nothing. Oft he’s pressed.
NORI: She? Not she. Or he? Not he. Then you? No, no! Nor me!
SHELOB: Broideress, or spinner? Cast a net – a thrower, she!
T Two kings mix – an ancient Brit, a dwarf – and make a third;
RADIANCE OF THE TREES: Illumination, fair beyond the scope of elvish word.
ARKENSTONE: Marvellous and radiant, at mountain’s heart it lies,
IORHAEL: Strength, endurance past hope’s end – such anguish in his eyes …
NERWEN'S PHIAL: Gifted, this, to light him, when all other lights should fail,
ELESSAR: … And one who tries to heal him, and many souls who ail.
EGGSHELL: This thing cracks so easily, you walk on it with care;
SARUMAN: And this one’s speech enchants, but only listen if you dare!

AZOG'S KINSMAN: ‘Murderers and elf-friends!’ in great wrath by him was said;
NO-ONE: Ancalime – in preference, this is the one she’d wed.
DWALIN: The French breeze it is mingled for him; short yet doughty, he,

FARAMIR: And distant is a jewel? His quality is plain to see.
EVENING STAR'S LIGHT: Earendil is its guardian; a Silmaril its form;
TRAHALD: It’s heartbreaking and hideous, to see this one transform.
THEODEN: No lair after an article, that’s definite, for him,
EOMER: And Eastern Rome morphs into one of the brave Rohirrim!
RADAGAST: Starts radical – appalled, he sounds! No ire, though, ’neath his ’lids.
EREBOR: Just change the first for mints and sweets we ate when we were kids.
RICHES: This word means wealth or treasures, that are used for good or ill,
SILMARILS: And for these things, so wondrous fair, unnumbered tears will spill.

PAIRS:

Saruman - Olorin
Azog's Kinsman - Nori
Shelob - Iorhael
Silmarils - Radiance of the Trees
Nerwen's Phial - Evening Star's Light
Elessar - Trahald
Eggshell - Riches
Faramir - Conin en Annun
Theoden - Eomer
Erebor - Arkenstone
No-one - Radagast *

* And actually, you can reverse this pair and it still works - he constrains no-one and is constrained by no-one.

...

THRAIN is ONE of the TWO kings referred to in the clue. Mixed with an obscure British king, it will give you a THIRD king, which is the answer.

Monty Python brought us CONFUSE A CAT and MYSTIFY A MOLE.

But who, besides the Great Goblin, brought us CONSTRAIN A DWARF?

[Urwen]

Well, Thranduil did.


THRAIN+LUD

[Pervinca Took]

CONIN EN ANNUN: Praise them with the greatest praise, these Princes of the West!
OLORIN: Take note from a florin, leaving nothing. Oft he’s pressed.
NORI: She? Not she. Or he? Not he. Then you? No, no! Nor me!
SHELOB: Broideress, or spinner? Cast a net – a thrower, she!
THRANDUIL: Two kings mix – an ancient Brit, a dwarf – and make a third;
RADIANCE OF THE TREES: Illumination, fair beyond the scope of elvish word.
ARKENSTONE: Marvellous and radiant, at mountain’s heart it lies,
IORHAEL: Strength, endurance past hope’s end – such anguish in his eyes …
NERWEN'S PHIAL: Gifted, this, to light him, when all other lights should fail,
ELESSAR: … And one who tries to heal him, and many souls who ail.
EGGSHELL: This thing cracks so easily, you walk on it with care;
SARUMAN: And this one’s speech enchants, but only listen if you dare!

AZOG'S KINSMAN: ‘Murderers and elf-friends!’ in great wrath by him was said;
NO-ONE: Ancalime – in preference, this is the one she’d wed.
DWALIN: The French breeze it is mingled for him; short yet doughty, he,

FARAMIR: And distant is a jewel? His quality is plain to see.
EVENING STAR'S LIGHT: Earendil is its guardian; a Silmaril its form;
TRAHALD: It’s heartbreaking and hideous, to see this one transform.
THEODEN: No lair after an article, that’s definite, for him,
EOMER: And Eastern Rome morphs into one of the brave Rohirrim!
RADAGAST: Starts radical – appalled, he sounds! No ire, though, ’neath his ’lids.
EREBOR: Just change the first for mints and sweets we ate when we were kids.
RICHES: This word means wealth or treasures, that are used for good or ill,
SILMARILS: And for these things, so wondrous fair, unnumbered tears will spill.

PAIRS:

Saruman - Olorin
Azog's Kinsman - Nori **
Shelob - Iorhael
Silmarils - Radiance of the Trees
Nerwen's Phial - Evening Star's Light
Elessar - Trahald
Eggshell - Riches
Faramir - Conin en Annun
Theoden - Eomer
Erebor - Arkenstone
No-one - Radagast *
Thranduil - Dwalin **

* And actually, you can reverse this pair and it still works - he constrains no-one and is constrained by no-one.

** Dwalin and Nori swapped around also works, of course .
...

And now ...

Over to Urwen again!

[Galadriel55]

Wow, what a great password! Another work of art!

[Urwen]

I might need to pass once again...might...

[Pervinca Took]

Thanks, G55, but credit must go to Huinesoron for the idea. :)

I enjoyed writing one in verse and finding pairs to fit, though. My only rhyming one in this thread apart from the one about the inns, I think.

[Urwen]

I am running out of possible themes for themed password, so I might do non-themed ones from now on. That said, I must cede this turn, as it's been too long.

[Huinesoron]

I am running out of possible themes for themed password, so I might do non-themed ones from now on. That said, I must cede this turn, as it's been too long.

Non-themed passwords are fine, though I think we'll all drive ourselves crazy trying to find the theme anyway. :D

This one is strongly themed, though the password itself is only part of the theme if you squint really hard.

1. - Not a ewe's namesake, the ground is missing you.
2. - A short Swedish band's slightly mixed diction, like Duke Edward.
3. - The darkest is mixed up - are Batman's city misspelled slightly?
4. - Forward the sphere, backward the VP, chop out the heart and find the angel.
5. - I am briefly a cat, you owe yourself a consonant, in the loch, quick!
6. - Second confused digit is confusing up here.
7. - A pair of vowels runs in confusion, comes second.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

3. MORGOTH - GOTHAM + R (are) ?

7. SAURON - A + O + RUNS?

[Galadriel55]

I am so used to crypticclues by now that you automatically read the instruction words as instruction words, but with these types of clues I love to allow myself the pleasure of literal interpretation for the sake of fun, and have to admit I just broke down at "I am briefly a cat". :D Also, I feel that the most appropriate answer, both literal AND cryptic, to the clue about confused second digit is: "Wot???" :p

I highly suspect that GROND is if not the answer to #1 then part of the answer, but no idea what the ewe has to do with it.

[Huinesoron]

3. MORGOTH - GOTHAM + R (are) ?

7. SAURON - A + O + RUNS?

Both correct. :)

I am so used to crypticclues by now that you automatically read the instruction words as instruction words, but with these types of clues I love to allow myself the pleasure of literal interpretation for the sake of fun, and have to admit I just broke down at "I am briefly a cat". :D Also, I feel that the most appropriate answer, both literal AND cryptic, to the clue about confused second digit is: "Wot???"

It is great fun to come up with clues that "make sense" linguistically, but are utter nonsense when actually considered. I am briefly a cat. ^_^

And... 'wot' is not the answer, but it is more than half of it. :D

I highly suspect that GROND is if not the answer to #1 then part of the answer, but no idea what the ewe has to do with it.

Correct! Because it's not a ewe...

... it's a ram. ^_^

('s namesake, there are two gronds of course.)

GROND - Not a ewe's namesake, the ground is missing you.
2. - A short Swedish band's slightly mixed diction, like Duke Edward.
MORGOTH - The darkest is mixed up - are Batman's city misspelled slightly?
4. - Forward the sphere, backward the VP, chop out the heart and find the angel.
5. - I am briefly a cat, you owe yourself a consonant, in the loch, quick!
6. - Second confused digit is confusing up here.
SAURON - A pair of vowels runs in confusion, comes second.

hS

[Galadriel55]

And... 'wot' is not the answer, but it is more than half of it.*


Right. How about: Wot the 'ell? :D

[Pervinca Took]

I got to GROND, but drew a blank at ewe. Double meaning of 'ram' is inspired.

[Pervinca Took]

2. A for ABBA or AHA. (Sorry - checked and AHA were Norwegian).

NATTER for 'diction.'

ANNATAR.

(I'll get me coat).

The only word that seems to fit for password is GAMBLES.

4. BAUGLIR? BALL plus a vice president I can't find backwards with the middle letters chopped out?

[Huinesoron]

2. A for ABBA or AHA. (Sorry - checked and AHA were Norwegian).

NATTER for 'diction.'

ANNATAR.

(I'll get me coat).

The only word that seems to fit for password is GAMBLES.

4. BAUGLIR? BALL plus a vice president I can't find backwards with the middle letters chopped out?

ABBA is the Swedish band, and BALL is the sphere, but neither of the answers you derive from them are correct (& nor is Gambles).

hS

[Pervinca Took]

GUMSHOES - the little-known private detectives of Middle-earth. :D

I know. It's some elvish term that I won't know.

[Huinesoron]

GUMSHOES - the little-known private detectives of Middle-earth. :D

I know. It's some elvish term that I won't know.

:D Not Gumshoes, but also not Elvish! It's a fairly standard English word. (So are... three of the four remaining answers, for that matter.)

hS

[Galadriel55]

6 - perhaps TOWER, two...er?

[Pervinca Took]

GAMBITS for the password?

4. BALROG.

BAL(L) + (E)ROG (Al Gore, a former Vice-President).

...

And I think 2 must be ABDICATION. AB(BA) + DICTION with an A in it but otherwise not mixed - so perhaps it's ABBA that's slightly mixed, before shortening.

King Edward abdicated and became a Duke.

I suppose Aragorn and many other Numenorean kings abdicated, too.

5. IMLACH? Has I'M and CA(T) and most of LOCH. Not sure about 'owe yourself a consonant,' though.

[Huinesoron]

6 - perhaps TOWER, two...er?

Yep! I was confused, so you should be too.

GAMBITS for the password?

Correct! Very much just 'a word that fit the answers', I'm afraid.


4. BALROG.

BAL(L) + (E)ROG (Al Gore, a former Vice-President).


Entirely right. (As a Maia, a balrog is still an angel!)

And I think 2 must be ABDICATION. AB(BA) + DICTION with an A in it but otherwise not mixed - so perhaps it's ABBA that's slightly mixed, before shortening.

King Edward abdicated and became a Duke.

I suppose Aragorn and many other Numenorean kings abdicated, too.

And so is this. AB(B)A + diction, for the Duke of Windsor aka Edward VIII.

The abdication referred to here is not connected to a death (unlike, say, Aragorn's).


5. IMLACH? Has I'M and CA(T) and most of LOCH. Not sure about 'owe yourself a consonant,' though.

I'm = I am, briefly; the cat is not brief, and the loch is not LOCH. This one is an English noun, derived from an adjective.

GROND - Not a ewe's namesake, the ground is missing you.
ABDICATION - A short Swedish band's slightly mixed diction, like Duke Edward.
MORGOTH - The darkest is mixed up - are Batman's city misspelled slightly?
BALROG - Forward the sphere, backward the VP, chop out the heart and find the angel.
5. I - I am briefly a cat, you owe yourself a consonant, in the loch, quick!
TOWER - Second confused digit is confusing up here.
SAURON - A pair of vowels runs in confusion, comes second.

One to go! I'd love to know if anyone can spot the theme; this is a closed set, with only one debatable item excluded.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

5. IMPETUOUSNESS?

NESS gives us the loch, (I hope - there are an awful lot of Scottish lochs!)

Ah, cat is PET, perhaps?

U You
O Owe
US Yourself - maybe literally, in text language, or You plus N for a consonant?

(I tried 'impatience' first).

GAMBITS are STRATEGIES, I believe, but sort of 'opening' strategies, which are often a bit of a gamble?

Hang on ...

Morgoth was Eru's gambit - and a risky one. And the Valar's, when they gave him a second chance?

Sauron was the Valar's - a second chance again?

Grond was Sauron's gambit?

Isengard (Tower) was Saruman's?

Impetuousness - Sauron's, counted on by Gandalf?

Abdication - not sure, if it isn't a Numenorean lying on his death bed. I think there are people in thd annals who 'refused the sceptre,' but you'd have had to accept it in the first place to abdicate, I think.

Balrog - Feanor's?

I'm sure GAMBIT was a late 70s/early 80s game show. It was also a film starring a very acrobatic Shirley MacLaine, (upside down, stealing a diamond, 'The Wrong Trousers' style, IIRC!)

(Edward VIII was not the first Duke Edward on Wikipedia - I went up a blind alley until it was clear it was about abdication - not used to hearing the former Duke of Windsor called that!)

[Galadriel55]

Non-sceptre abdications include Finrod's renunciation of Nargothrond and Maedhros passing on the title of High King to Fingolfin. Doesn't help me figure out what this closed set is though.

Oh. Wait. Is it the demises/ends/events causing the passing of the title of the High Kings of the Noldor?

GROND - Fingolfin
ABDICATION - Maedhros
MORGOTH - Finwe
BALROG - Feanor
IMPETUOUSNESS - Fingon presumably, whose people rushed too soon onto Anfauglith
TOWER - Turgon
SAURON - Gil-galad

What is the debatable item? And I still don't see how Gambit applies to some of them...

[Huinesoron]

5. IMPETUOUSNESS?

NESS gives us the loch, (I hope - there are an awful lot of Scottish lochs!)

Ah, cat is PET, perhaps?

U You
O Owe
US Yourself - maybe literally, in text language, or You plus N for a consonant?

Correct! It was U-O-U + S for the consonant, because... apparently I didn't think of 'us'. -_-

GROND - Not a ewe's namesake, the ground is missing you.
ABDICATION - A short Swedish band's slightly mixed diction, like Duke Edward.
MORGOTH - The darkest is mixed up - are Batman's city misspelled slightly?
BALROG - Forward the sphere, backward the VP, chop out the heart and find the angel.
5. I - I am briefly a cat, you owe yourself a consonant, in the loch, quick!
TOWER - Second confused digit is confusing up here.
SAURON - A pair of vowels runs in confusion, comes second.

Non-sceptre abdications include Finrod's renunciation of Nargothrond and Maedhros passing on the title of High King to Fingolfin. Doesn't help me figure out what this closed set is though.

Oh. Wait. Is it the demises/ends/events causing the passing of the title of the High Kings of the Noldor?

GROND - Fingolfin
ABDICATION - Maedhros
MORGOTH - Finwe
BALROG - Feanor
IMPETUOUSNESS - Fingon presumably, whose people rushed too soon onto Anfauglith
TOWER - Turgon
SAURON - Gil-galad

What is the debatable item? And I still don't see how Gambit applies to some of them...

That's right! Though the impetuous one was Feanor; apparently Gothmog killed both him and Fingon, so I was able to swap back and forth.

"Gambit" is very much a "what word fits these answers" password - my second option was MAGGOTS. But taking the sense of 'risky strategy', most of them died in battle against superior foes, Maedhros resigned to try and heal the rift in the Noldor, and Finwe was only at Formenos to try and generate sympathy for Feanor. So it kiiind of fits.

The debatable one is Maglor, who was presumably at least Acting High King while Maedhros was hanging around Thangorodrim. But Maglor's a bit wet, and is never actually accorded the title in the books anyway. (Also, Finarfin - but his reign is ongoing!)

And over to Pervinca!

hS

[Pervinca Took]

But Maglor's a bit wet

It 's all that sea-spray. ;)

So heartless, Huinesoron! ;)

I have a couple I wrote a while ago. I'll put one up soon.

P.S. I think GAMBITS fits your clues far better than MAGGOTS! :o

[Pervinca Took]

1. At last! A rustic thinks a queen among elves as fair as one of these.
2. A third of this is what we need – due to answer number five? Or at Bombadil’s - for cut knees, perhaps?
3. Streaming things for which this housekeeper holds the key? That’s a first!
4. Wait a second. This is why you might need an understudy in a Shakespearean tragedy. Confused, and flowery.
5. Horse with highlights is confused in shining Sindarin. Take nought from the third?
6. It’s both long and longed for – by a dwarf. Go fourth.

[Galadriel55]

#1 and #6 are giving me Galadriel vibes. #1 sounds like Sam's speech to Faramir (but which of the similes?), and #6 sounds like the lock she gives to Gimli (but again, by what synonym? Lock? Hair? Strand? Tress?).

[Pervinca Took]

1. At last! A rustic thinks a queen among elves as fair as one of these.
2. A third of this is what we need – due to answer number five? Or at Bombadil’s - for cut knees, perhaps?
3. Streaming things for which this housekeeper holds the key? That’s a first!
4. Wait a second. This is why you might need an understudy in a Shakespearean tragedy. Confused, and flowery.
5. Horse with highlights is confused in shining Sindarin. Take nought from the third?
NERWEN'S HAIR: It’s both long and longed for – by a dwarf. Go fourth.

Any will do fine for 6.

For 1, the answer is indeed in one of the similes.

[Urwen]

Hints?

[Pervinca Took]

Hints?

OK!

Number 3 has a very similar answer to Number 5.

and

Galadriel was very close to solving clue 1, (upthread).

[Huinesoron]

For #1, we're looking at this quote:

Beautiful she is, sir! Lovely! Sometimes like a great tree in flower, sometimes like a white daffadowndilly, small and slender like. Hard as diamonds, soft as moonlight. Warm as sunlight, cold as frost in the stars. Proud and far-off as a snow-mountain, and as merry as any lass I ever saw with daisies in her hair in springtime. But that's a lot o' nonsense, and all wide of my mark.

Since the clue is "fair as", I would guess either GREAT TREE or DAFFADOWNDILLY... um, DAFFODIL for the answer.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

DAFFADOWNDILLY: At last! A rustic thinks a queen among elves as fair as one of these.
2. A third of this is what we need – due to answer number five? Or at Bombadil’s - for cut knees, perhaps?
3. Streaming things for which this housekeeper holds the key? That’s a first!
4. Wait a second. This is why you might need an understudy in a Shakespearean tragedy. Confused, and flowery.
5. Horse with highlights is confused in shining Sindarin. Take nought from the third?
NERWEN'S HAIR: It’s both long and longed for – by a dwarf. Go fourth.

Hence the 'At last.' ;)

[Huinesoron]

I solved a clue
I solved a clue for you
Oh what a thing to do!
And is the code YELLOW?

hS

[Pervinca Took]

DAFFADOWNDILLY: At last! A rustic thinks a queen among elves as fair as one of these.
????E???? A third of this is what we need – due to answer number five? Or at Bombadil’s - for cut knees, perhaps?
L?????? Streaming things for which this housekeeper holds the key? That’s a first!
????L????Wait a second. This is why you might need an understudy in a Shakespearean tragedy. Confused, and flowery.
????O???? Horse with highlights is confused in shining Sindarin. Take nought from the third?
NERWEN'S HAIR: It’s both long and longed for – by a dwarf. Go fourth.

Indeedydo.

[Huinesoron]

Okay, so: 3 and 5 are very similar. I think 3 might be another 'Someone's Something'. That means 5 is either the same person or the same thing. Additionally, 2 references 'answer number 5', which likely means the, uh, actual answer to question 5. So solving any of these three will help with the other two.

The letters we will need are 3rd - 1st - 2nd - probably 3rd.

If the Bombadil reference is direct, then things called yellow at Tom and Goldberry's are:

- Her hair
- His boots
- Cream
- The sunrise

CREAM seems to fit best, though I don't think the sort of cream Tom serves would go well on your knees!

hS