Password

[Urwen]

Finduilas is the password.

[Urwen]

8. Silmarien (LI backwards swallowed by MARINES)

[Urwen]

5. Ruby (sounds like RUE and BUY)

[Urwen]

2 is her sibling, Primrose (PRIM + SORE)

[Pervinca Took]

FINDIS: Frozen food brand unveils her, after a second vowel shift.
PRIMROSE: Prudish and inflamed? She isn’t half a muddle!
DONNAMIRA: Fateful lady: a virgin, she, however aberrant.
BELLADONNA: Mournful song changes note and Italian grandmother loses head for her.
RUBY: Regret purchase? From what we hear, yes – or does she?
IRIME: She’s no Cyclops, we hear, and a French sea swishes around her.
???L???: She falls into deception and chaos.
SILMARIEN: Swallowing back metal, sailors mingle for her.
???S???: Something the Cheshire Cat might say, quite truthfully. There’s spin, though, before she’s revealed.

THEME: SISTERS

No, not irritated. I learn heaps of stuff from people's obscure references on this thread. Both Tolkien and not Tolkien-related.

And it seems that Findus are still very much around, or the name is. I just don't buy much frozen food.

[Urwen]

9. Isilme ('I smile')

[Urwen]

You missed these:


5. Ruby (sounds like RUE and BUY)


2 is her sibling, Primrose (PRIM + SORE)

[Pervinca Took]

2 is her sibling, Primrose (PRIM + SORE)


Yes, and note that only half of her is muddled, and the other half isn't. ;)

Also Ruby sounds like RUE BUY - or does it? (Because the name itself sounds like RUE-BEE).

[Pervinca Took]

You missed these:

I'm good, but not that good. Even I can't see what people are posting when I'm editing answers in myself.

[Urwen]

And the last one is Ivriniel, but if we remove deception, we get IVRIN, and it doesn't fit with the rest of the clue in any capacity.

[Pervinca Took]

FINDIS: Frozen food brand unveils her, after a second vowel shift.
PRIMROSE: Prudish and inflamed? She isn’t half a muddle!
DONNAMIRA: Fateful lady: a virgin, she, however aberrant.
BELLADONNA: Mournful song changes note and Italian grandmother loses head for her.
RUBY: Regret purchase? From what we hear, yes – or does she?
IRIME: She’s no Cyclops, we hear, and a French sea swishes around her.
???L???: She falls into deception and chaos.
SILMARIEN: Swallowing back metal, sailors mingle for her.
ISILME: Something the Cheshire Cat might say, quite truthfully. There’s spin, though, before she’s revealed.

THEME: SISTERS

[Urwen]

I'm good, but not that good. Even I can't see what people are posting when I'm editing answers in myself.


I've posted these before you started replying, though.

[Pervinca Took]

And the last one is Ivriniel, but if we remove deception, we get IVRIN, and it doesn't fit with the rest of the clue in any capacity.

It does. It's just the trickiest clue in the set.

See if you can locate the word that indicates IVRIN.

[Urwen]

As in, Falls of Ivrin?

[Pervinca Took]

I've posted these before you started replying, though.


Nope. It takes me a while to put in the codes to highlight the red letter in every remaining clue, and the letters and the ???'s. Especially since I am now long as well as short sighted and sometimes squinting at the letters. The time indicates time posted, not time of starting to write the post.

[Pervinca Took]

FINDIS: Frozen food brand unveils her, after a second vowel shift.
PRIMROSE: Prudish and inflamed? She isn’t half a muddle!
DONNAMIRA: Fateful lady: a virgin, she, however aberrant.
BELLADONNA: Mournful song changes note and Italian grandmother loses head for her.
RUBY: Regret purchase? From what we hear, yes – or does she?
IRIME: She’s no Cyclops, we hear, and a French sea swishes around her.
IVRINIEL: She falls into deception and chaos.
SILMARIEN: Swallowing back metal, sailors mingle for her.
ISILME: Something the Cheshire Cat might say, quite truthfully. There’s spin, though, before she’s revealed.

THEME: SISTERS

Falls of Ivrin, indeed. Clumsy wench, that Ivriniel.

Over to you!

EDIT: The Yavanna one was kind of the leftovers of this one, because I couldn't fit any Ainur into this one. I had to finish the Yavanna password with some really obvious sister pairs, though. I like this one better, I think, although I did quite like my Van the Man clue, (a throwback to my youth).

[Urwen]

1. A confused announcer swallows a note, for her.
2. He is an IARPA program
3. He is an Italian city.
4. Wander backwards, without a note? It's novel in reverse, for her
5. She is knowledgeable, in turmoil, with a direction.

[Pervinca Took]

3. TURIN.

4. MORWEN (Roam backwards without A; novel means NEW).

[Urwen]

Yea, that clue was inspired by G55's puzzle a while ago.

1. A confused announcer swallows a note, for her.
2. He is an IARPA program
TURIN: He is an Italian city.
MORWEN: Wander backwards, without a note? It's novel in reverse, for her
5. She is knowledgeable, in turmoil, with a direction.

[Pervinca Took]

"MAEGLIN
Liquid and gas chromatography, flow cytometry, ion mobility spectrometry, preconcentrators and sorbants, ionization techniques, mass spectrometry, MEMS technology, microfluidics, computational fluid dynamics, signature library construction and use, clutter detection, multicomponent fits, basis set transformations, micro vacuum pump technology, low power electronics, device SWAP optimazation, regenerative energy sources and energy harvesting techiques."

One of several Tolkienly named IARPA programs.

[Urwen]

"MAEGLIN
Liquid and gas chromatography, flow cytometry, ion mobility spectrometry, preconcentrators and sorbants, ionization techniques, mass spectrometry, MEMS technology, microfluidics, computational fluid dynamics, signature library construction and use, clutter detection, multicomponent fits, basis set transformations, micro vacuum pump technology, low power electronics, device SWAP optimazation, regenerative energy sources and energy harvesting techiques."

One of several Tolkienly named IARPA programs.


And that one was inspired by your daisywheel one.

[Urwen]

1. A confused announcer swallows a note, for her.
MAEGLIN: He is an IARPA program
TURIN: He is an Italian city.
MORWEN: Wander backwards, without a note? It's novel in reverse, for her
5. She is knowledgeable, in turmoil, with a direction.

[Urwen]

Something compels me to include him in puzzles. Include M[a]eglin in all the puzzles! :p

[Pervinca Took]

AMROD? (Password).

Maybe untimely deaths again?

[Urwen]

AMROD?

Maybe untimely deaths again?


Yep, password is Amrod, but the theme is wrong.

[Urwen]

A: A confused announcer swallows a note, for her.
MAEGLIN: He is an IARPA program
TURIN: He is an Italian city.
MORWEN: Wander backwards, without a note? It's novel in reverse, for her
D: She is knowledgeable, in turmoil, with a direction.

And the person #5 didn't die, as far as I know. I could be wrong, though....

[Pervinca Took]

5. NERDANEL! Learned + N.

Also known as the Wise, I think? (Although knowledge and wisdom are different things).

'Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting one in a fruit salad.'

[Urwen]

Knowledgeable refers to 'learned' part of the clue, not her epithet.

A: A confused announcer swallows a note, for her.
MAEGLIN: He is an IARPA program
TURIN: He is an Italian city.
MORWEN: Wander backwards, without a note? It's novel in reverse, for her
NERDANEL: She is knowledgeable, in turmoil, with a direction.

[Urwen]

Use the solutions as you have them and what you know about them and the last solution shall come to you. :smokin::p

[Pervinca Took]

Mothers and sons, so AREDHEL.

Can a LEADER be an announcer? (I've a feeling this idea has come up on this thread before).

And good old German note H again, duly swallowed.

[Urwen]

Mothers and sons, so AREDHEL.

Can a LEADER be an announcer? (I've a feeling this idea has come up on this thread before).

And good old German note H again, duly swallowed.


Not leader, and not H.

[Pervinca Took]

Knowledgeable refers to 'learned' part of the clue, not her epithet.

A: A confused announcer swallows a note, for her.
MAEGLIN: He is an IARPA program
TURIN: He is an Italian city.
MORWEN: Wander backwards, without a note? It's novel in reverse, for her
NERDANEL: She is knowledgeable, in turmoil, with a direction.

So, not mothers and sons either.

[Pervinca Took]

Oh ... AREDHEL, mothers and sons, but HERALD + E.

[Urwen]

AREDHEL: A confused announcer swallows a note, for her.
MAEGLIN: He is an IARPA program
TURIN: He is an Italian city.
MORWEN: Wander backwards, without a note? It's novel in reverse, for her
NERDANEL: She is knowledgeable, in turmoil, with a direction.

It's yours.

[Pervinca Took]

Sorry, a lot of things came up and I have been busy all day.

Here you go:

1. He messes up a college bedroom.
2. Register disgust, initially, but turn it around for him.
3. Frosty umpire upset him.
4. Annoy unsuspecting Noldor, initially, and cause trouble before finding him.
5. Ledger is all over the place, but gains direction and reveals her.

[Urwen]

1. Amrod (A+Dorm)

[Pervinca Took]

AMROD: He messes up a college bedroom.
2. Register disgust, initially, but turn it around for him.
3. Frosty umpire upset him.
4. Annoy unsuspecting Noldor, initially, and cause trouble before finding him.
5. Ledger is all over the place, but gains direction and reveals her.

[Urwen]

The only female I know who is tied to Amrod is Nerdanel, but ledger part invalidates that.

[Urwen]

The initials of 'annoy unsuspecting Noldor' are AUN.

[Urwen]

Oh, so that's how it is.

5. Haleth (Heath+L)

[Urwen]

Funny thing is, if Haleth had 's', I'd say that the password was Oaths.

[Pervinca Took]

AMROD: He messes up a college bedroom.
2. Register disgust, initially, but turn it around for him.
3. Frosty umpire upset him.
4. Annoy unsuspecting Noldor, initially, and cause trouble before finding him.
HALETH: Ledger is all over the place, but gains direction and reveals her.

Actually, the 'Ledger' isn't really *all* over the place; only a little. Mea culpa.

[Urwen]

The initials of 'annoy unsuspecting Noldor' are AUN.


Is this on the right track?

[Urwen]

There is no Tolkien term or name which begins with O and ends with A. I've checked.

[Pervinca Took]

It is, but you are using the initial of too many words.

[Urwen]

There aren't any five-letter Tolkien words which start with O and end with A, period.

[Urwen]

Ah, so you mean, we need initials of Annoy Noldor, ie. AN

[Pervinca Took]

No.

Not far off, though.

I'm going to be busy for the next couple of hours. Just letting you know.

[Urwen]

What about this?



There aren't any five-letter Tolkien words which start with O and end with A, period.

[Pervinca Took]

Well, when you put 'period' on something, it generally means you're ending it. ;)

Maybe your sources aren't as exhaustive as you think.

And why not relax and guess some more clues first?

[Urwen]

All right then. If you can find a single five-letter word starting with O and ending with A on this page (http://www.tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/O), then I will believe you.

[Urwen]

Anyway, I found 'olama'. Is that the password?

[Pervinca Took]

Not even Tolkien Gateway is exhaustive; I'm very familiar with it.

And no, it isn't.

[Urwen]

Then can you link me to a source which is?

[Urwen]

Or at least tell me which source you used to find the password, because I am stumped.

[Pervinca Took]

That would be as good as giving you the answer.

The password describes each of the answers. If you can work out what they have in common, then you can go looking for the password.

[Urwen]

So if the initials aren't AN, or AUN, are they UN?

[Pervinca Took]

UN is correct.

[Urwen]

I assume that Register = Note

[Pervinca Took]

Not note.

[Urwen]

4. Elurin (Rile+Un)

[Urwen]

Password is ONONA, isn't it? (Quenya for 'one of the pair of twins')

[Urwen]

3. Folcred (Cold+Ref)

[Urwen]

And the last one is Elrond (Enrol+D)

[Pervinca Took]

AMROD: He messes up a college bedroom.
ELROND: Register disgust, initially, but turn it around for him.
FOLCRED: Frosty umpire upset him.
ELURIN: Annoy unsuspecting Noldor, initially, and cause trouble before finding him.
HALETH: Ledger is all over the place, but gains direction and reveals her.

THEME: TWIN-BORN CHARACTERS

(ONONA = SINDARIN FOR 'ONE OF A PAIR OF TWINS').

And over to Urwen, who sweeps the board again!

[Urwen]

Onona is a Quenya word. ;)

[Urwen]

This one has a really tricky (and original) theme which I discovered by chance. I am not liable for any confusions that might occur while solving this.

1. Note a furuncle in disarray. A burglar appears.
2. Note, shortened hill, and what her race guards, in a muddle, for her.
3. A Norse God and a type of musical composition in a spin? See him.
4. Note a Spanish measurement for her.
5. Note a befuddled porcupine for him.

[Pervinca Took]

1. Bilbo.

Boil + b.

[Urwen]

BILBO: Note a furuncle in disarray. A burglar appears.
2. Note, shortened hill, and what her race guards, in a muddle, for her.
3. A Norse God and a type of musical composition in a spin? See him.
4. Note a Spanish measurement for her.
5. Note a befuddled porcupine for him.

[Urwen]

Nobody?

[Pervinca Took]

Maybe a hint?

[Huinesoron]

2/ appears to be the only one with any kind of straight clue ("what her race guards"). The phrasing makes me think of the Crossings of Teiglin, which was specifically guarded by the Haladin; but how many women of the Haladin are there? Certainly none with any variations on 'crossing', 'ford', or 'teiglin' in their names.

3/ 'Norse God' is quite likely to be Odin or Thor, but what sort of musical composition? 'Song' would be shortest, but that would give us a name with two Os and a G in it, which sounds pretty unlikely. (All right, there's a fair few actually, but none that jump out as fitting the other letters.)

4/ A 'Spanish measurement' - one clue or two? Metro or milla are decent guesses for Spanish units of measurement, but we could be looking at two words.

5/ So... it's an anagram of 'hedgehog' plus one of A-G?

hS

[Urwen]

Nope to these.

Btw, are you interested in continuing 'Who Am I' thread and the riddle thread, or should I?

[Huinesoron]

Nope to these.

So every aspect of what I said was wrong, down to and including my interpretation of 'note'? And 'Spanish measurement' is neither one nor two clues? :eek:


Btw, are you interested in continuing 'Who Am I' thread and the riddle thread, or should I?

Is 'Who Am I?' any different from riddles? It looks like that's where it ended up.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

So we can see it:

BILBO: Note a furuncle in disarray. A burglar appears.
2. Note, shortened hill, and what her race guards, in a muddle, for her.
3. A Norse God and a type of musical composition in a spin? See him.
4. Note a Spanish measurement for her.
5. Note a befuddled porcupine for him.

The musical composition could be ARIA or OPUS. Or perhaps even MOTET or ETUDE.

[Urwen]

No, Who Am I is more of a description thread.

[Pervinca Took]

Balder + song gives LONGBEARDS, but the clue says him, not them.

[Urwen]

Hint for 3: He is not human, and he was a great help to Fingon & Maedhros, as well as Beren & Luthien.

[Huinesoron]

So, THORONDOR, with the musical composition being... a round? Except with the wrong vowel. Maybe it's called a rondo in Italian or something?

This is actually a pretty good clue, if you realise that 'in a spin' applies only to the musical composition; that lets you look for Norse gods at the start of words and back-form from there. Of course, I didn't realise that, which is why I had to wait for the hint.

hS

[Urwen]

BILBO: Note a furuncle in disarray. A burglar appears.
2. Note, shortened hill, and what her race guards, in a muddle, for her.
THORONDOR: A Norse God and a type of musical composition in a spin? See him.
4. Note a Spanish measurement for her.
5. Note a befuddled porcupine for him.

[Pervinca Took]

4/ A 'Spanish measurement' - one clue or two? Metro or milla are decent guesses for Spanish units of measurement, but we could be looking at two words.

5/ So... it's an anagram of 'hedgehog' plus one of A-G?

hS

4. It could be 'a' in Spanish plus any measurement. Un/una/unas? + ell? mile? pint? gill?

5. Apparently QUILL is also a synonym of porcupine!

Maybe the theme is being airborne at some point or other. ;)

The password is probably Quenya for Boeing 747. :D

[Pervinca Took]

Or perhaps BEORN?

[Pervinca Took]

Could 2 be EILINEL? E + IL + muddled LINE? Could her people guard a line or a border?

[Urwen]

Or perhaps BEORN?


Yea, that's the password.

[Urwen]

BILBO: Note a furuncle in disarray. A burglar appears.
??E??: Note, shortened hill, and what her race guards, in a muddle, for her.
THORONDOR: A Norse God and a type of musical composition in a spin? See him.
??R??: Note a Spanish measurement for her.
??N??: Note a befuddled porcupine for him.

[Urwen]

More hints: 4 and 5 are both Ainu, and the whereabouts of 2 and her companions are unknown, even to her husband and his fellows - and the thread about their whereabouts has been updated a lot recently

[Huinesoron]

So #4 is a female Ainu with an R in her name, of which there are...

... uh, three? Varda, Vaire, and Arien.

So who's the answer? Assuming 'note' means A-G, any one of these could be 'a Spanish measurement':

-Vard
-Vara
-Vire
-Vair
-Rien
-Arin

Oddly enough, quite a few of them get translated by Google from Spanish, but not as terms of measurement (the closest is vair as 'will go'). There's no anagram indicator... 'in' could be 'inch', but that would mean 'ar' would have to indicate Spain somehow, which I don't know that it does.

Y'know what, I'm gonna go with that. ARIEN for #4.

As for #2: so it's either Fimbrethil or Wandlimb, then? Hard to pin down which without knowing whether the 'muddle' applies to all the sections; I was tempted by 'brethil for 'that which her race guards', since it's a Sindarin word for a type of tree, but it's definitely not muddled (and would leave 'im' as a 'shortened hill').

hS

[Huinesoron]

Oh, hang on, there's Ilmare as well. Ilmar would have to be the Spanish/measurement part.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

There is VARA as a measurement, but I had no luck getting an Ainu out of it.

I tried Melian and Uinen, but they didn't work either.

Hang on, if I remembered Vara right, then VARDA would work.

...

Yes, vara is a unit of length in Spanish.

[Huinesoron]

Yes, vara is a unit of length in Spanish.

That... kind of makes sense? Google translates it as 'rod', which is a unit of length in English, albeit an obsolete one. Though that unit is apparently canna in Spanish.

(Though I assume there's an industry somewhere that exclusively uses them; ah, yes, apparently it's recreational canoeing.)

hS

[Urwen]

It's F+Timber+Hil

BILBO: Note a furuncle in disarray. A burglar appears.
FIMBRETHIL: Note, shortened hill, and what her race guards, in a muddle, for her.
THORONDOR: A Norse God and a type of musical composition in a spin? See him.
VARDA: Note a Spanish measurement for her.
??N??: Note a befuddled porcupine for him.

[Pervinca Took]

RODENT and GNAWER also come up as synonyms of porcupine.

[Urwen]

Hint for the last one: he is a dark lord. Now, that narrows it down quite a bit, does it not? :p

[Pervinca Took]

Then it's Sauron or Mairon, or Annatar, but where is the porcupine?

[Urwen]

Then it's Sauron or Mairon, or Annatar, but where is the porcupine?


https://www.wordplays.com/definition/urson

[Pervinca Took]

SAURON, then. I did try - read through lots of Latin names!

What is the theme, we wonders?

I'd say they're all without a partner, for whatever reason, but Varda invalidates that idea.

Plus Beorn has had some Beornings by LOTR, I believe.

[Urwen]

Why, it's Tolkien characters who gave their names to various real life things. I came across several posts providing info regarding this while reading a blog, and I thought 'It'd make a pretty neat theme', and so I did further research, and I made it happen.

[Urwen]

BILBO: Note a furuncle in disarray. A burglar appears.
FIMBRETHIL: Note, shortened hill, and what her race guards, in a muddle, for her.
THORONDOR: A Norse God and a type of musical composition in a spin? See him.
VARDA: Note a Spanish measurement for her.
SAURON: Note a befuddled porcupine for him.


Over to you.

[Pervinca Took]

Good theme! Must look those up.

Hope you like this one.

1. Prosper endlessly? No! Mix it up. See him.
2. He may seem a glorious prince, but take a look inside.
3. Sweet fruit. French? No. He's a little confused.
4. Find him in the place Morfin rode out to.
5. It's finished - there's no two ways about it. Or are there? He's troubled, but there he is.

Was urgently needed, so had to stop mid-post earlier. Have now posted the puzzle in full.

[Urwen]

Only two clues? And what does 'he' mean?

[Pervinca Took]

I said I was being called, and would post more later. And now I have. Real life intervened.

[Urwen]

4. Finrod

[Urwen]

2. Maglor?

[Pervinca Took]

1. Prosper endlessly? No! Mix it up. See him.
MAGLOR: He may seem a glorious prince, but take a look inside.
3. Sweet fruit. French? No. He's a little confused.
FINROD: Find him in the place Morfin rode out to.
5. It's finished - there's no two ways about it. Or are there? He's troubled, but there he is.

[Urwen]

Why do I get that siblings vibe again?

[Urwen]

5. Maedhros (MADE+OR+H+??)

[Urwen]

sucre fruit means 'sweet fruit' in French.

[Pervinca Took]

Not Maedhros, not siblings, and you need an example of a sweet fruit.

[Urwen]

Sweet fruits are:
Banana, date, fig, sapote, persimmon, cherimoya, carob, mammea, plantain, sapodilla and sugar apple

[Urwen]

Maybe fathers and sons?

[Urwen]

You said I'd like this one, but I don't see how and why.

[Urwen]

Wait, is the password 'bards'?

[Urwen]

5. Elrond (END+OR+L)

[Pervinca Took]

No. Not pairs of anything.

One of the above fruits is right (although there are lots of other sweet ones. ;))

[Urwen]

Wait, is the password 'bards'?


Is it?

[Urwen]

Then the fruit is either 'fig' or 'date'.

[Pervinca Took]

1. Prosper endlessly? No! Mix it up. See him.
MAGLOR: He may seem a glorious prince, but take a look inside.
3. Sweet fruit. French? No. He's a little confused.
FINROD: Find him in the place Morfin rode out to.
ELROND: It's finished - there's no two ways about it. Or are there? He's troubled, but there he is.

ELROND is DONE + L+ R, though.

I didn't. I said 'I HOPE you like it.' Not the same thing at all.

EDIT: Not bards, but not far off.

[Urwen]

People who made an oath?

[Urwen]

I assume 'prosper endlessly' means that we're looking at synonym of prosper which lacks the final letter(s)?

[Urwen]

Also, what does the word 'no' in clues 1 and 3 mean? Does it mean 'no' or something else entirely?

[Pervinca Took]

'No' means pretty much what you would expect it to.

Not oathmakers.

On the right track with 'prosper endlessly.'

[Urwen]

Synonyms for prosper: gain, rise, score, yield, bloom, flower......

[Urwen]

Password: NANDE (Elvish for harp)

[Urwen]

3. Fingon (FIG+NON)

[Urwen]

1. Thorin (THRIVE-VE+NO)

[Urwen]

This puzzle was solved by Urwen and Parf Edhellen (https://www.elfdict.com).

[Pervinca Took]

THORIN: Prosper endlessly? No! Mix it up. See him.
MAGLOR: He may seem a glorious prince, but take a look inside.
FINGON: Sweet fruit. French? No. He's a little confused.
FINROD: Find him in the place Morfin rode out to.
ELROND: It's finished - there's no two ways about it. Or are there? He's troubled, but there he is.

THEME: HARPISTS

PASSWORD: NANDE (GNOMISH FOR 'HARP').

Your go.

[Urwen]

Okay.

[Urwen]

I am running out of options. I have an idea, but it forces me to re-use certain characters I've overused before.

[Urwen]

Hope you don't think I am *too* obsessed, or that my puzzle is subpar after this one.

1. Behold a note in a spin to find him
2. That which is hard to understand is troubled, even with a direction? Sums him up nicely.
3. A smithy with a spin? Add direction and see him!
4. A cow product changes vowels, alternatively. He's there.
5. A specialized language meets a violent throw (without direction). In turmoil is he revealed.

[Huinesoron]

4 is Milk > Melk + or = MELKOR.

So there goes my theory that all the answers were just 'Maeglin'. :D

hS

[Urwen]

1. Behold a note in a spin to find him
2. That which is hard to understand is troubled, even with a direction? Sums him up nicely.
3. A smithy with a spin? Add direction and see him!
MELKOR: A cow product changes vowels, alternatively. He's there.
5. A specialized language meets a violent throw (without direction). In turmoil is he revealed.

[Urwen]

4 is Milk > Melk + or = MELKOR.

So there goes my theory that all the answers were just 'Maeglin'. :D

hS


Pwahaha. Now there is a neat idea, but not this time. That's not to say that none of the answers are, or that the password/theme wasn't inspired by 'im.

Let's see......

Maeglin, Lomion, Eolion, Orc-spawn, the Betrayer, Dead Elf walking, Wrench-Owned

Sounds like a good password, if you ask me.......

[Pervinca Took]

1. Eol.

Lo + e.

[Pervinca Took]

2. Enigma + L = Maeglin.

[Urwen]

EOL: Behold a note in a spin to find him
MAEGLIN: That which is hard to understand is troubled, even with a direction? Sums him up nicely.
3. A smithy with a spin? Add direction and see him!
MELKOR: A cow product changes vowels, alternatively. He's there.
5. A specialized language meets a violent throw (without direction). In turmoil is he revealed.

The password follows the same rule as the last two passwords used by you.

[Pervinca Took]

I only found ONANA when I was looking up Middle-earth twins for my pairs-of-twins password. Odd that there are no hobbit twins in the family trees.

I thought of harpists when racking my brains for a new theme, though, and looked up the Elvish for harp/harper to find a possible password.

P.S. I liked your *Fimbrethil* clue. Although the pedant in me says they were protecting the trees from *becoming* timber. :D

[Urwen]

I only found ONANA when I was looking up Middle-earth twins for my pairs-of-twins password. Odd that ghere are no hobbit twins in the family trees.

I thought of harpists when racking my brains for a new theme, though, and looked up the Elvish for harp/harper to find a possible password.


I did something similar.

[Pervinca Took]

3. Forweg?

Forge + W.

[Urwen]

EOL: Behold a note in a spin to find him
MAEGLIN: That which is hard to understand is troubled, even with a direction? Sums him up nicely.
FORWEG: A smithy with a spin? Add direction and see him!
MELKOR: A cow product changes vowels, alternatively. He's there.
5. A specialized language meets an endlessly violent throw (without direction). In turmoil is he revealed.

[Pervinca Took]

Is the password EMFEG?

(Meaning: infamous; of evil name).

That leaves ... hmmm ... Gorthaur, Gothmog, Morgoth, Ungoliant ....

[Pervinca Took]

I have been suspecting a shortened version of HURL for the violent throw, which suggests GORTHAUR. But maybe the language is Goth(ic).

There's Bauglir as well ... that has the end of 'hurl.' So does Glaurung.

[Urwen]

It is Gorthaur, except it's ARGOT+HUR. Argot is a synonym for slang/lingo.

EOL: Behold a note in a spin to find him
MAEGLIN: That which is hard to understand is troubled, even with a direction? Sums him up nicely.
FORWEG: A smithy with a spin? Add direction and see him!
MELKOR: A cow product changes vowels, alternatively. He's there.
GORTHAUR: A specialized language meets an endlessly violent throw (without direction). In turmoil is he revealed.

Over to you.

[Pervinca Took]

Argot, of course ... the nearest I could think of semantically was jargon, and we know JRR wasn't free with his J's.

OK ... I have an idea, but I need to finish writing the clues.

...


Done:

1. Spoil, but beam endlessly within for him.
2. Two geezers join to make a third! (More nicknames than epesses).
3. Disperse racket because ... oh, just see him!
4. Film genre disquiets him a little.
5. He sounds like a mutilated fish.
6. He's a famous gun, give and take a vowel, but lacks sibilance.
7. Endless pastry adds pronoun for him.
8. Turn, turn, and swallow metal for him.

[Urwen]

8. Turlin, an old name for Tuor (LI inside TURN)

[Urwen]

As for the gun, I think it's Kalashnikov.

[Urwen]

And 3 must be Tuor. Synonym for disperse is ROUT, and synonym for racket is turmoil, which is an anagram indicator. Anagram of ROUT is Tuor.

[Pervinca Took]

No correct answers yet. Also, wrong gun.

[Urwen]

Colt?

[Urwen]

And does racket mean noise, a sports racket, or is it an anagram indicator?

[Pervinca Took]

That's for you to guess. :D

[Urwen]

7. Turin (Turnover-over+I)

[Pervinca Took]

1. Spoil, but beam endlessly within for him.
2. Two geezers join to make a third! (More nicknames than epesses).
3. Disperse racket because ... oh, just see him!
4. Film genre disquiets him a little.
5. He sounds like a mutilated fish.
6. He's a famous gun, give and take a vowel, but lacks sibilance.
7. Endless pastry adds pronoun for him.
8. Turn, turn, and swallow metal for him.

[Urwen]

Turin and Turgon are the only names containing 'turn'.

[Pervinca Took]

Nope, not Turin.

Or Turgon.

Who has said the name has to contain 'turn?'

[Urwen]

3. Leod, from DOLE

[Pervinca Took]

Nope.

[Urwen]

Nope, not Turin.

Or Turgon.

Who has said the name has to contain 'turn?'

You wrote 'turn, turn'. That means one is an anagram indicator and the other is to be used.

Also, is my guess and reasoning for 7th clue correct?

These are difficult.....

[Pervinca Took]

Oh ... turnover as a pastry! A clever guess, but no.

You're right about turn, turn ... but it doesn't have to be the *actual* word, does it?

[Urwen]

So a synonym of turn?

[Pervinca Took]

Could be. ;)

[Urwen]

Could be. ;)


But it might not be, is that it?

[Urwen]

So the gun isn't colt either?

[Pervinca Took]

I didn't know what you meant by colt. No, colt is not an answer, nor an element of any of the clues.

[Urwen]

I got clue 8!

Dwalin (AL within WIND)

And 6 is Bilbo (from BB)

[Urwen]

And 1 is Balin (BALK-K + IN)

[Pervinca Took]

1. Spoil, but beam endlessly within for him.
2. Two geezers join to make a third! (More nicknames than epesses).
3. Disperse racket because ... oh, just see him!
4. Film genre disquiets him a little.
5. He sounds like a mutilated fish.
6. He's a famous gun, give and take a vowel, but lacks sibilance.
7. Endless pastry adds pronoun for him.
DWALIN: Turn, turn, and swallow metal for him.

Well done! Dwalin is correct.

Bilbo and Balin are wrong, though.

[Urwen]

Theme: Dwarves?

[Pervinca Took]

Not dwarves.

[Urwen]

If the password didn't have 8 words, I'd say that the password is Thorin.....

[Urwen]

If it weren't for 'endlessly' part of the clue, #1 would have been Maeglin (gleam+in), but since that part exists, it's not...... :(

[Pervinca Took]

Ah, now I see where you're going wrong.

'Spoil' isn't an anagram indicator.

[Urwen]

Then 1 is Thorin (ROT+IN)

[Pervinca Took]

Nope. It ain't.

[Urwen]

Then I am lost. Nothing makes sense. I keep looking for names, but I can only see Balin, Thorin and Maeglin there.

I tried Fundin too, because of father/son possibility, but he doesn't fit either.....

[Urwen]

Or if ACH somehow means 'beam', then we'd get Marach. :/

[Urwen]

5. Amdir (MARD+I)

[Urwen]

1. Amroth (HARM+THROW-W)

[Huinesoron]

1. Spoil, but beam endlessly within for him.

So we're looking for a synonym for 'spoil', with a synonym for 'beam', truncated and placed in the middle of it. No anagram indicator.

So if the words were 'ruin' and 'plank', the answer would be ru + pla + in. Except that's not a Tolkien name. ^_^

Spoil could be rot-decay-mould, ruin-wreck-damage, or (if Pervinca is a big fan of Time Team) something like earth, dirt, or even slag (heap, as in blast furnace). Or of course 'soil', but that seems a bit too on the nose.

Beam could be a noun or a verb, and could be light or wood. I think it's used in ships, too.

hS has little time, and no actual ideas, just musings

[Pervinca Took]

So we're looking for a synonym for 'spoil', with a synonym for 'beam', truncated and placed in the middle of it. No anagram indicator.

Exactement.

It's not as hard as you think.

No further correct *answers* at present, though.

[Urwen]

Any of these?


https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/spoil
https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/beam

[Urwen]

I know what #1 is now, and I know your secret weakness too, Pervinca. Just as I am fond of Maeglin, you are fond of Maglor (GLOW-W inside of MAR). And we both used our secret weaknesses quite a lot in our puzzles recently.

[Urwen]

But what is the connection between Dwalin and Maglor.....?

[Pervinca Took]

MAGLOR: Spoil, but beam endlessly within for him.
2. Two geezers join to make a third! (More nicknames than epesses).
3. Disperse racket because ... oh, just see him!
4. Film genre disquiets him a little.
5. He sounds like a mutilated fish.
6. He's a famous gun, give and take a vowel, but lacks sibilance.
7. Endless pastry adds pronoun for him.
DWALIN: Turn, turn, and swallow metal for him.

Well, Maglor is probably my favourite of Feanor's sons, and I sympathise with all of them regarding that stupid oath their father pretty much forced on them. But it's really a coincidence that he has ended up in *so* many of my puzzles.

[Urwen]

Password: Gondolin?

[Pervinca Took]

Afraid not.

[Urwen]

Is racket or disperse an anagram indicator? Also, by famous gun, do you mean a brand of gun or no?

[Pervinca Took]

It's a company that makes guns, but given that I have no interest in guns, it is only famous to me because of the title of a film.

And that is all the hints I am giving tonight. ;)

[Urwen]

Well, I found Smith and Wesson. If we remove sibilants, we have Mith and Weon......

[Urwen]

I still stand by my reasoning that #3 is Tuor, because nothing else makes sense. :p

Unless, of course, you say that 'disperse' is synonym to 'mina', in which case, my answer would be different.

[Urwen]

6. Eol (Colt-C and T + E)

[Urwen]

And if I am right, then the password is Celeborn.

[Pervinca Took]

MAGLOR: Spoil, but beam endlessly within for him.
2. Two geezers join to make a third! (More nicknames than epesses).
3. Disperse racket because ... oh, just see him!
4. Film genre disquiets him a little.
5. He sounds like a mutilated fish.
6. He's a famous gun, give and take a vowel, but lacks sibilance.
7. Endless pastry adds pronoun for him.
DWALIN: Turn, turn, and swallow metal for him.

Sorry, no. Colt is not part of the answer, and Celeborn is not the password.

[Urwen]

Hints, please?

[Pervinca Took]

I know about the gun because it's in a film that stars Ian Holm.

[Urwen]

Oh, forget it then. I'll just say that 3 is Minastir and be done with it, since you never said whether 'mina' means 'disperse' or not.

[Urwen]

3. Bofur?

[Urwen]

The pastry is Tart, correct?

[Urwen]

Tari, Taryou, Tarhe, Tarshe, Tarit, Tarthey, Tarwe

Tar-Miriel, Tarannon, Tal-Elmar......

[Urwen]

7. Dain (Danish-Ish+I)

[Huinesoron]

So in 1988 Ian Holm starred in 'The Browning Version', but 'browning' doesn't have any silibants anyway.

In 1968, however, he was in 'The Bofors Gun', which immediately points to:

6. BOFUR.

hS

[Huinesoron]

5 looks like an anagram, but also a soundalike; that makes me wonder if it's actual an anagram of 'fish' itself, since stacking synonym+anagram+sounds-like is pretty heavy. But... well, unless CHIPH is a famous Tolkien character I've forgotten, I can't do much with that.

2 looks like we just push two nicknames together. 'Geezer' can mean either 'man' or 'old man'; I wonder if this is a pop culture reference, though, rather than pointing to two Tolkien characters.

3 I have no idea. It looks like the sort of clue where the first half actually includes the name written straight, hidden in the words... but I can't see one in there.

4... 'disquiets a little' could indicate a slight anagram of a genre. 'Drama' nearly gives AMROD, but that's the best I can do (and that's not 'a little').

7... I really liked your 'Tar-' idea, Urwen, but the pronouns don't seem to work. 'Pastry' could mean a specific baked good, or the ingredient... ah. FILO pastry, endless, +I = FILI.

With BOFUR and FILI in place, the password could be a few things. Glanduin the river of Eriador seems unlikely; Glirhuin the mortal Harper at least gives a First Age connection. Goldórin (Telerin for 'Quenya') seems even less likely, and Gwathren (Sindarin, 'shadowy') doesn't say much.

So I'll have to go with GLIRHUIN for the password, and guess that they're all musicians (the dwarves in the Unexpected Party).

hS

[Urwen]

So in 1988 Ian Holm starred in 'The Browning Version', but 'browning' doesn't have any silibants anyway.

In 1968, however, he was in 'The Bofors Gun', which immediately points to:

6. BOFUR.

hS

I kinda already found that one.

Btw, someone should try guessing my riddle and solving other games as well.

[Huinesoron]

I kinda already found that one.

Then you should have said 6, rather than 3; I assumed it was just another of your many guesses for 3.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

MAGLOR: Spoil, but beam endlessly within for him.
2. Two geezers join to make a third! (More nicknames than epesses).
3. Disperse racket because ... oh, just see him!
4. Film genre disquiets him a little.
5. He sounds like a mutilated fish.
BOFURHe's a famous gun, give and take a vowel, but lacks sibilance.
FILI: Endless pastry adds pronoun for him.
DWALIN: Turn, turn, and swallow metal for him.

THEME: MUSICIANS

No other correct answers yet.

And ok, 'disperse' is the anagram indicator.

[Urwen]

Synonyms for racket: clamor, clangor, row, riot, roar, ruction, din.


Any of these?

[Urwen]

MAGLOR: Spoil, but beam endlessly within for him.
2. Two geezers join to make a third! (More nicknames than epesses).
3. Disperse racket because ... oh, just see him!
4. Film genre disquiets him a little.
5. He sounds like a mutilated fish.
BOFURHe's a famous gun, give and take a vowel, but lacks sibilance.
FILI: Endless pastry adds pronoun for him.
DWALIN: Turn, turn, and swallow metal for him.

THEME: MUSICIANS

No other correct answers yet.


And ok, 'disperse' is the anagram indicator.



The password is not Glirhuin?

[Urwen]

Password: Glingrin?

[Urwen]

3. Thorin? (Contains RIOT)

[Urwen]

4. Nori (from NOIR)

[Urwen]

And 3 is Finrod (DIN+FOR)

[Pervinca Took]

MAGLOR: Spoil, but beam endlessly within for him.
???L???: Two geezers join to make a third! (More nicknames than epesses).
FINROD: Disperse racket because ... oh, just see him!
NORI: Film genre disquiets him a little.
???G???: He sounds like a mutilated fish.
BOFUR: He's a famous gun, give and take a vowel, but lacks sibilance.
FILI: Endless pastry adds pronoun for him.
DWALIN: Turn, turn, and swallow metal for him.

THEME: MUSICIANS

PASSWORD: GLINGRIN = 'MUSICAL.'

[Urwen]

If NER also means 'old', then it's Elrond (OLD+NER)

And the last one is Fingon (which sounds like FIN GONE)

[Pervinca Took]

MAGLOR (HARP): Spoil, but beam endlessly within for him.
???L???: Two geezers join to make a third! (More nicknames than epesses).
FINROD (HARP): Disperse racket because ... oh, just see him!
NORI (FLUTE): Film genre disquiets him a little.
FINGON (HARP): He sounds like a mutilated fish.
BOFUR (CLARINET): He's a famous gun, give and take a vowel, but lacks sibilance.
FILI (FIDDLE): Endless pastry adds pronoun for him.
DWALIN (VIOL): Turn, turn, and swallow metal for him.

THEME: MUSICIANS

PASSWORD: GLINGRIN = 'MUSICAL.'

It is Elrond, but at least TRY to find two names in it. Both of them are short for something.

Huey, I personally think 'Only Fools And Horses' has been horrendously overplayed, but if you've ever seen an episode, you should know one of the names.

[Huinesoron]

I wondered about that, but (to show you exactly how bad my anagram game is), I looked at DELRON and went 'nope, that's not a character', and then wandered off. ^_^

('ner' of course is 'man', so old+ner would be a bilingual translation of 'geezer', I guess.)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

MAGLOR (HARP): Spoil, but beam endlessly within for him.
ELROND (HARP): Two geezers join to make a third! (More nicknames than epesses).
FINROD (HARP): Disperse racket because ... oh, just see him!
NORI (FLUTE): Film genre disquiets him a little.
FINGON (HARP): He sounds like a mutilated fish.
BOFUR (CLARINET): He's a famous gun, give and take a vowel, but lacks sibilance.
FILI (FIDDLE): Endless pastry adds pronoun for him.
DWALIN (VIOL): Turn, turn, and swallow metal for him.

THEME: MUSICIANS

PASSWORD: GLINGRIN = 'MUSICAL.'

TRIVIA: Alone of Thorin's company, Oin and Gloin do not play an instrument at the Unexpected Party. Bombur plays a drum, but I could not fit both him and Bofur into the puzzle.

DEL (short for Derek) and RON (short for Ronald) gives us ELROND.

Over to Urwen.

[Urwen]

Well, this one was sorta made in jest, but I can't resist putting it up, mostly because the clues and the answers fit in so perfectly. :cool:

1. What, in Latin? A city and an element. In turmoil, dark ones are revealed
2. Cured, with a direction? She is there.
3. The Young one loses way, and he is found
4. Here, a confused mafia boss is within slang in a spin.
5. Mix four elements and see him.
6. Close the lid. Rile everyone up. See her within.
7. Here, a toxic alcohol gains direction.

Hope you enjoy it anyway.

[Pervinca Took]

3. Eorl the Young becomes EOL?

[Urwen]

1. What, in Latin? A city and an element. In turmoil, dark ones are revealed
2. Cured, with a direction? She is there.
EOL: The Young one loses way, and he is found
4. Here, a confused mafia boss is within slang in a spin.
5. Mix four elements and see him.
6. Close the lid. Rile everyone up. See her within.
7. Here, a toxic alcohol gains direction.

[Pervinca Took]

2. Aredhel.

Healed + r.

[Pervinca Took]

Oh, the first one must be CALIQUENDI, i think?

Qua (Latin 'what') ....

The only city I can see is NICE.

Is there an element with the symbol Ld or Dl?

[Pervinca Took]

Got the elves the wrong way round.

MORIQUENDI.

QUID + ROME + NI(CKEL).

And Rome was the city I thought most likely anyway, before I mixed up the light and dark elves.

[Pervinca Took]

Which could mean MAEDHROS for the password.

[Urwen]

MORIQUENDI: What, in Latin? A city and an element. In turmoil, dark ones are revealed
AREDHEL: Cured, with a direction? She is there.
EOL: The Young one loses way, and he is found
4. Here, a confused mafia boss is within slang in a spin.
5. Mix four elements and see him.
6. Close the lid. Rile everyone up. See her within.
7. Here, a toxic alcohol gains direction.

[Pervinca Took]

Maeglin, then.

And I'd just collected 4 elements to spell HURIN! ;)

[Urwen]

Maeglin, then.

And I'd just collected 4 elements to spell HURIN! ;)


No.

[Pervinca Took]

5. LOMIAN?

Mn + O + I + Al.

Don't understand the reason for the Disney link.

[Urwen]

I was hoping that Huinesoron would get it, since it's been so long since he made one.

MORIQUENDI: What, in Latin? A city and an element. In turmoil, dark ones are revealed
AREDHEL: Cured, with a direction? She is there.
EOL: The Young one loses way, and he is found
??G??: Here, a confused mafia boss is within slang in a spin.
??L??: Mix four elements and see him.
??I??: Close the lid. Rile everyone up. See her within.
??N??: Here, a toxic alcohol gains direction.

[Urwen]

5. LOMIAN?

Mn + O + I + Al.

Don't understand the reason for the Disney link.


Uh, no. There isn't a Tolkien character with that name.

And the reason for the link is because I like that episode.

[Pervinca Took]

I don't mind passing the go to him, if he has time to make one.

[Urwen]

Kay.

[Pervinca Took]

So we can see it:

MORIQUENDI: What, in Latin? A city and an element. In turmoil, dark ones are revealed
AREDHEL: Cured, with a direction? She is there.
EOL: The Young one loses way, and he is found
??G??: Here, a confused mafia boss is within slang in a spin.
??L??: Mix four elements and see him.
??I??: Close the lid. Rile everyone up. See her within.
??N??: Here, a toxic alcohol gains direction.

G: GONDOLIN. DON within LINGO.

I: IDRIL. (Within 'lid rile').

[Urwen]

MORIQUENDI: What, in Latin? A city and an element. In turmoil, dark ones are revealed
AREDHEL: Cured, with a direction? She is there.
EOL: The Young one loses way, and he is found
GONDOLIN: Here, a confused mafia boss is within slang in a spin.
??L??: Mix four elements and see him.
??I??: Close the lid. Rile everyone up. See her within.
??N??: Here, a toxic alcohol gains direction.

[Pervinca Took]

Idril for I, (see my edit, above).

[Pervinca Took]

L: LOMION.

Mo + Li + N + O.

[Pervinca Took]

Methanol + N = Nan Elmoth.

[Urwen]

MORIQUENDI: What, in Latin? A city and an element. In turmoil, dark ones are revealed
AREDHEL: Cured, with a direction? She is there.
EOL: The Young one loses way, and he is found
GONDOLIN: Here, a confused mafia boss is within slang in a spin.
LOMION: Mix four elements and see him.
IDRIL: Close the lid. Rile everyone up. See her within.
NAN ELMOTH: Here, a toxic alcohol gains direction.

Congrats. Over to you.

P.S: Please wipe this puzzle from your memory.

[Pervinca Took]

HUINESORON! Would you like to write the next one? :)

You very nearly got my last one, and your thoughts paved the way for the right answer.

[Huinesoron]

HUINESORON! Would you like to write the next one? :)

You very nearly got my last one, and your thoughts paved the way for the right answer.

Yeah, but I didn't... :) Unfortunately I have a lot to do at work this week, so I won't have time to enjoy myself with passwords. Best to take it yourself, I think.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

OK ... will you try to look in briefly and perhaps solve one or two, though? I have quite a special one that I've just written. :D

I mean in your lunch break or something ... not when you're supposed to be working!

[Pervinca Took]

Though pedant proud this setter be,
To overload a clue, e’en she
Unwilling is, so therefore, peers,
For some of these, LOOK TO YOUR EARS! :-

1. Crossing where people eat their butties – before that is lost.
2. He’s a seafaring amputee! Ouch!
3. These elves (and the lost boys) adore her.
4. This pub has decidedly dodgy toilets.
5. Something you probably do if Rankin Bass orcs are driving you.
6. Wee dog loses direction, but prances and pivots until he’s found!
7. Distance a horse can travel on its posterior? Vowel shift! Here it is!
8. An unsung hero, because he evidently unblocked the toilet in Gondolin, even without being noted for it!
9. Dunno how this geezer keeps his specs on, or stops his helm falling over his nose!
10. Kanga’s baby’s bogies are projectile for him!

[Urwen]

For 3, I don't think Wendy has a Tolkien connection, unless I am dumb.

[Urwen]

And if theme is musicians again, which I think it is, then clue 8 points to Salgant. Now I only have to fit it in.

[Pervinca Took]

What makes you think it's musicians? There may have been three Council ones, but there were only two Twin ones.

[Urwen]

So it's either Council members, or twins. Good to know.

[Pervinca Took]

I take it that's sarcasm.

Just because there were 3 council ones, it doesn't mean there will be 3 musician ones. The council ones happened because my computer was down and I could not get at my stash of prepared passwords. Twin and musician research meant I had enough for two of each, and the aforementioned stash had by then been used up.

[Urwen]

The 7th clue puzzles me the most.

[Urwen]

For 2, if amputee is a Tolkien amputee, then it's either Maedhros or Beren.

[Pervinca Took]

I'm not surprised! :D

But I'm not going to hand out hints this time. If do, I could give the whole puzzle away.

[Pervinca Took]

For 2, if amputee is a Tolkien amputee, then it's either Maedhros or Beren.

Or Frodo. ;)

But in fact, it is none of the three.