Password

[Urwen]

Okay, so Rankin bass Orcs are singing, so SING.

[Urwen]

9. Tolma is elvish for helm. Add to that N for nose, and you get Tolman.

[Pervinca Took]

No to both.

[Pervinca Took]

OK ... will you try to look in briefly and perhaps solve one or two, though? I have quite a special one that I've just written. :D

I mean in your lunch break or something ... not when you're supposed to be working!


Just for clarification - I don't want anyone to risk their job! I mean, I'm addicted to this thread, but not *that* addicted!

[Huinesoron]

7... is a furlong measured by horses? Because BAMFURLONG is only a U off from the clue if so. :)

4... sigh. A FLOATING LOG, huh?

(And technically there's a Wendy connection in Tolkien... one of the early names he considered for Melian was Gwendoling or something like it. But I don't think it's relevant.)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Huey ... do you remember a previous clue that involved Wendy? :D

Tsk, Huinesoron. It's THE Floating Log!

[Pervinca Took]

Though pedant proud this setter be,
To overload a clue, e’en she
Unwilling is, so therefore, peers,
For some of these, LOOK TO YOUR EARS! :-

1. Crossing where people eat their butties – before that is lost.
2. He’s a seafaring amputee! Ouch!
LAIQUENDI: These elves (and the lost boys) adore her.
THE FLOATING LOG: This pub has decidedly dodgy toilets.
5. Something you probably do if Rankin Bass orcs are driving you.
6. Wee dog loses direction, but prances and pivots until he’s found!
BAMFURLONG: Distance a horse can travel on its posterior? Vowel shift! Here it is!
8. An unsung hero, because he evidently unblocked the toilet in Gondolin, even without being noted for it!
9. Dunno how this geezer keeps his specs on, or stops his helm falling over his nose!
10. Kanga’s baby’s bogies are projectile for him!

Furlongs are always being mentioned in horse racing. Especially 'the final furlong' in the Grand National.

From Google definition: "Old English*furlang, from*furh*‘furrow’ +*lang*‘long’. The word originally denoted the length of a furrow in a common field (formally regarded as a square of ten acres). It was also used as the equivalent of the Roman*stadium, one eighth of a Roman mile, whence the current sense. Compare with*stadium."

Not a horsey term in origin, then.

[Urwen]

3. Laiquendi

(All right, I cheated a bit by searching back.... :D)

[Pervinca Took]

Correct, Urwen! As all the clues are in the last but one post, I'll just edit that one in.

...

Flipping heck ...how far back did you have to read? :o

[Urwen]

Correct, Urwen! As all the clues are in the last but one post, I'll just edited that one in.

...

Flipping heck ...how far back did you have to read? :o


Well, I used the search thread function.

[Urwen]

LL.....L


Is this a password comprised entirely of Ls?

[Urwen]

And how does the toilet factor into THE FLOATING LOG?

[Pervinca Took]

Just keep guessing clues, and all will be revealed. :D

As for what a floating log has to do with a dodgy toilet ... do you really want to know?

[Urwen]

I want to know because if LOG is a toilet, then this points to either Galdor or Legolas of Gondolin.

[Pervinca Took]

No ... a log is slang for a turd. I presume because it kind of looks like a log, just smaller. So if it's floating, the toilet is blocked (or some git hasn't flushed it).

You did ask. ;)

[Urwen]

So Turgon for 3 (TURD-D+GONE-E)

[Pervinca Took]

Though pedant proud this setter be,
To overload a clue, e’en she
Unwilling is, so therefore, peers,
For some of these, LOOK TO YOUR EARS! :-

1. Crossing where people eat their butties – before that is lost.
2. He’s a seafaring amputee! Ouch!
LAIQUENDI: These elves (and the lost boys) adore her.
THE FLOATING LOG: This pub has decidedly dodgy toilets.
5. Something you probably do if Rankin Bass orcs are driving you.
6. Wee dog loses direction, but prances and pivots until he’s found!
BAMFURLONG: Distance a horse can travel on its posterior? Vowel shift! Here it is!
TURGON: An unsung hero, because he evidently unblocked the toilet in Gondolin, even without being noted for it!
9. Dunno how this geezer keeps his specs on, or stops his helm falling over his nose!
10. Kanga’s baby’s bogies are projectile for him!

Exactly!

The rhyme I put at the beginning indicates that it only needs to *sound* like 'gone.' But the 'note' thing was needed to get rid of the D, because that letter is not silent.

Oh ... did you think 'unsung' meant get rid of another note? Actually, that's so cool I'll pretend I intended it. :D I actually added 'unsung hero' as a wry joke about the heroic act of unblocking a toilet. I mean, what's the point of being a great elvish warrior if you can't deal with everyday, practical matters?

[Urwen]

Where there is a whip, there's a way
We don't wanna go to war today, but the Lord of the Lashes say 'nay nay nay'
We're gonna march all day, all day, all day
Where there is a whip, there's a way

[Pervinca Took]

The whip is the crucial connection, but you also have to cross-reference this to orcs in 'The Hobbit.'

As Rankin-Bass also animated 'The Hobbit,' I thought this clue was defensible.

[Urwen]

Orcs in the Hobbit are called goblins. Relevant?

[Pervinca Took]

No. It's something the whips make driven prisoners *do.*

[Urwen]

Is what you do 'whip out Beater'.

Beater was wielded by Turgon himself in the olden days, and there is a theory that his nephew made and wielded Orcrist.

[Pervinca Took]

Because we're on a new page:

Though pedant proud this setter be,
To overload a clue, e’en she
Unwilling is, so therefore, peers,
For some of these, LOOK TO YOUR EARS! :-

1. Crossing where people eat their butties – before that is lost.
2. He’s a seafaring amputee! Ouch!
LAIQUENDI: These elves (and the lost boys) adore her.
THE FLOATING LOG: This pub has decidedly dodgy toilets.
5. Something you probably do if Rankin-Bass orcs are driving you.
6. Wee dog loses direction, but prances and pivots until he’s found!
BAMFURLONG: Distance a horse can travel on its posterior? Vowel shift! Here it is!
TURGON: An unsung hero, because he evidently unblocked the toilet in Gondolin, even without being noted for it!
9. Dunno how this geezer keeps his specs on, or stops his helm falling over his nose!
10. Kanga’s baby’s bogies are projectile for him!

[Urwen]

No. It's something the whips make driven prisoners *do.*


Cover in fear?

.....Feanor?

[Pervinca Took]

Is what you do 'whip out Beater'.

Beater was wielded by Turgon himself in the olden days, and there is a theory that his nephew made and wielded Orcrist.

Good idea, but no. You want a verb. One word.

Look at the song the goblins sing to their chained prisoners.

[Pervinca Took]

Cover in fear?

.....Feanor?

No. And not cower, either. ;)

[Urwen]

They say 'and a whip and a crack'.

[Urwen]

Or do you mean that 'you go down to Goblin Town'.

[Pervinca Took]

Look at the song in 'The Hobbit.' When the dwarves are chained together in the cave, and the orcs are whipping them down to Goblin Town.

The Rankin-Bass reference was just for humour and the 'whip' connection.

EDIT: Yes to your last post/question.

[Urwen]

So is that the answer or do we need to condense it.....?

[Urwen]

I think 6 is one of those clues, and Miniature mutt gives us Minyatur.

[Huinesoron]

6 makes me think of Roverandom, but I'm not sure we can do anything with that.

1: A butty is a sandwich (usually as 'chip butty' in my experience). Hmm... a sandwich is also a sarnie, so that suggests SARN FORD. You lose 'i.e.', which kind of fits with '- before that'.

9: This must be a name with 'ear' in it (for the specs), but EARENDIL doesn't seem to fit. EARNIL = ear + nil (= none), so that would work.

5: could this simply be FALL?

hS

[Urwen]

I don't thing fall is the answer, for it has nothing to do with the song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogTDa-vG2MQ

[Huinesoron]

I don't thing fall is the answer, for it has nothing to do with the song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogTDa-vG2MQ

The lyrics are listed here (http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Down,_Down,_To_Goblin_Town), too.

So what might you do if that's being sung at you? There's a fair few verbs mentioned (and a few more in the poem it comes from), but nothing jumps out as being anything other than a verb; no place- or person-names.

GO is the most repeated one; there's no other verbs unambiguously directed at the captives in the song ('batter, jabber' could be). In the poem, both 'work' and 'shirk' are, and arguably 'pound'.

Or it could be synonyms, which is where fall came into things (as a synonym for descend, go down, &c).

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Though pedant proud this setter be,
To overload a clue, e’en she
Unwilling is, so therefore, peers,
For some of these, LOOK TO YOUR EARS! :-

SARN(IE) FORD: Crossing where people eat their butties – before that is lost.
2. He’s a seafaring amputee! Ouch!
LAIQUENDI: These elves (and the lost boys) adore her.
THE FLOATING LOG: This pub has decidedly dodgy toilets.
5. Something you probably do if Rankin-Bass orcs are driving you.
6. Wee dog loses direction, but prances and pivots until he’s found!
BAMFURLONG: Distance a horse can travel on its posterior? Vowel shift! Here it is!
TURGON: An unsung hero, because he evidently unblocked the toilet in Gondolin, even without being noted for it!
EARNIL: Dunno how this geezer keeps his specs on, or stops his helm falling over his nose!
10. Kanga’s baby’s bogies are projectile for him!

One more correct answer so far.

The verb you want is kind of similar to jabber and batter. Closer to jabber, I would say.

The dog element is not the *name* of a dog. It's a synonym, but 'mutt' is the wrong synonym.

WHOOPS! SORRY! EARNIL IS CORRECT TOO! WELL DONE.

[Urwen]

Kanga's baby is Roo, but what are bogies?

[Urwen]

jabber=rumble, mumble, gab, murmur, mutter, yap, yak, blather, ramble, utter.

[Huinesoron]

Either YAMMER or BLEAT might work, then; I have an inkling it might be the former.

hS

[Urwen]

dog=pup, cur, hound?

[Huinesoron]

Kanga's baby is Roo, but what are bogies?

What you get in your nose when you're ill. I'm assuming it's a word containing (starting with?) RU, but while there's a handful of Hobbits who do, along with of course Rumil, I can't fit the rest of the clue.

hS

[Urwen]

Russandol might work there (RU+NASAL) or something

[Pervinca Took]

HIGHLIGHT Though pedant proud this setter be,
To overload a clue, e’en she
Unwilling is, so therefore, peers,
For some of these, LOOK TO YOUR EARS! :-

SARN(IE) FORD: Crossing where people eat their butties – before that is lost.
2. He’s a seafaring amputee! Ouch!
LAIQUENDI: These elves (and the lost boys) adore her.
THE FLOATING LOG: This pub has decidedly dodgy toilets.
YAMMER: Something you probably do if Rankin-Bass orcs are driving you.
6. Wee dog loses direction, but prances and pivots until he’s found!
BAMFURLONG: Distance a horse can travel on its posterior? Vowel shift! Here it is!
TURGON: An unsung hero, because he evidently unblocked the toilet in Gondolin, even without being noted for it!
EARNIL: Dunno how this geezer keeps his specs on, or stops his helm falling over his nose!
10. Kanga’s baby’s bogies are projectile for him!

Huey's inkling is correct.

Kanga's baby is indeed called ROO. Don't change the spelling.

I think bogies are called boogers in North America.

One of Urwen's dog synonyms is right.

[Urwen]

Mini+cu?

[Huinesoron]

... -_- The password is SILLY CLUES, isn't it?

hS

[Urwen]

Seafaring is either marine or maritime. Amputee probably means 'loses an arm'. If we remove 'arm' from these, we get



I N E


I T I M E

[Urwen]

2. Maitimo?

[Pervinca Took]

SILLY CLUES it is! :)

[Urwen]

Ahm......


2. Maitimo?

[Pervinca Took]

Though pedant proud this setter be,
To overload a clue, e’en she
Unwilling is, so therefore, peers,
For some of these, LOOK TO YOUR EARS! :-

SARN(IE) FORD: Crossing where people eat their butties – before that is lost.
???I???: He’s a seafaring amputee! Ouch!
LAIQUENDI: These elves (and the lost boys) adore her.
THE FLOATING LOG: This pub has decidedly dodgy toilets.
YAMMER: Something you probably do if Rankin-Bass orcs are driving you.
???C???: Wee dog loses direction, but prances and pivots until he’s found!
BAMFURLONG: Distance a horse can travel on its posterior? Vowel shift! Here it is!
TURGON: An unsung hero, because he evidently unblocked the toilet in Gondolin, even without being noted for it!
EARNIL: Dunno how this geezer keeps his specs on, or stops his helm falling over his nose!
???S???: Kanga’s baby’s bogies are projectile for him!

PASSWORD & THEME: SILLY CLUES.

Urwen, I've never heard of Maitimo. But more to the point, there's no C in it.

[Huinesoron]

It's Maedhros' mother-name.

Speaking of Feanorions, has Urwen already guessed CURUFIN for the C clue? CUR + (FINE - E) [for 'wee, small'], with a U for 'pivots', ie U-turn.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Urwen, the answer to clue 2 is not a million miles away. :)

[Pervinca Took]

CUR is right, but Curufin is not.

Why not?

Because your reasoning is simply not silly enough.

[Urwen]

Urwen, the answer to clue 2 is not a million miles away. :)


I don't understand.....

[Pervinca Took]

I don't understand.....

It's like Laiquendi, but not as far away.

[Urwen]

Curumo? (Sounds like 'curly moe')

[Pervinca Took]

Sillier than that. (Or at least, more puerile).

EDIT: Very close, though.

[Urwen]

Does it start with CUR, at least?

[Huinesoron]

Sillier than that. (Or at least, more puerile).

EDIT: Very close, though.

... -_-, again.

CUR + URINE - E(ast) = CURUNIR.

hS

[Urwen]

I searched for seafaring amputee, and all I got was this puzzle, so I still don't get it.

[Pervinca Took]

Though pedant proud this setter be,
To overload a clue, e’en she
Unwilling is, so therefore, peers,
For some of these, LOOK TO YOUR EARS! :-

SARN(IE) FORD: Crossing where people eat their butties – before that is lost.
???I???: He’s a seafaring amputee! Ouch!
LAIQUENDI: These elves (and the lost boys) adore her.
THE FLOATING LOG: This pub has decidedly dodgy toilets.
YAMMER: Something you probably do if Rankin-Bass orcs are driving you.
CURUNIR: Wee dog loses direction, but prances and pivots until he’s found!
BAMFURLONG: Distance a horse can travel on its posterior? Vowel shift! Here it is!
TURGON: An unsung hero, because he evidently unblocked the toilet in Gondolin, even without being noted for it!
EARNIL: Dunno how this geezer keeps his specs on, or stops his helm falling over his nose!
???S???: Kanga’s baby’s bogies are projectile for him!

PASSWORD & THEME: SILLY CLUES.

[Huinesoron]

I searched for seafaring amputee, and all I got was this puzzle, so I still don't get it.

Famously, Long John Silver has a wooden leg; I wonder if that's the sort of thing we should be thinking about?

Are there any pirates in Middle-earth? :D

hS

[Pervinca Took]

I searched for seafaring amputee, and all I got was this puzzle, so I still don't get it.

A clue I wrote recently made me see that, with Earnil also in my arsenal of clues/answers and still waiting for an outing, I might be able to construct a whole puzzle around silly clues. So my 'Oh Gawd, what further themes *are* there?' dilemma was solved, or at least postponed.

EDIT: Long John Silver would be *far* too sensible an answer.

[Urwen]

A clue I wrote recently made me see that, with Earnil also in my arsenal of clues/answers and still waiting for an outing, I might be able to construct a whole puzzle around silly clues. So my 'Oh Gawd, what further themes *are* there?' dilemma was solved, or at least postponed.

EDIT: Long John Silver would be *far* too sensible an answer.


You wrote a myriad of clues recently.....

[Pervinca Took]

Though pedant proud this setter be,
To overload a clue, e’en she
Unwilling is, so therefore, peers,
For some of these, LOOK TO YOUR EARS! :-

SARN(IE) FORD: Crossing where people eat their butties – before that is lost.
???I???: He’s a seafaring amputee! Ouch!
LAIQUENDI: These elves (and the lost boys) adore her.
THE FLOATING LOG: This pub has decidedly dodgy toilets.
YAMMER: Something you probably do if Rankin-Bass orcs are driving you.
CURUNIR: Wee dog loses direction, but prances and pivots until he’s found!
BAMFURLONG: Distance a horse can travel on its posterior? Vowel shift! Here it is!
TURGON: An unsung hero, because he evidently unblocked the toilet in Gondolin, even without being noted for it!
EARNIL: Dunno how this geezer keeps his specs on, or stops his helm falling over his nose!
???S???: Kanga’s baby’s bogies are projectile for him!

PASSWORD & THEME: SILLY CLUES.

The answer is human/oid.

The amputee is not.

[Urwen]

Parrot?

[Pervinca Took]

No.

The parrot was not the amputee! Long John Silver was, and he is not the answer either!

[Urwen]

I heard this joke once:

'I have a wooden leg named Smith'.

Relevant?

[Huinesoron]

... it's not Fingon the mutilated fish again, is it?

hS

[Urwen]

Or perhaps a goat? Bill Ferny?

[Urwen]

Mwahahahaha!

[Urwen]

You landlubbers have no idea how hard it was for poor Fin-gone.

[Urwen]

Feanor was a good diplomat. When he came to Alqualonde, he told Olwe 'blah blah blah'. And Olwe said unto him 'blah blah blah'.

[Pervinca Took]

Though pedant proud this setter be,
To overload a clue, e’en she
Unwilling is, so therefore, peers,
For some of these, LOOK TO YOUR EARS! :-

SARN(IE) FORD: Crossing where people eat their butties – before that is lost.
FINGON: He’s a seafaring amputee! Ouch!
LAIQUENDI: These elves (and the lost boys) adore her.
THE FLOATING LOG: This pub has decidedly dodgy toilets.
YAMMER: Something you probably do if Rankin-Bass orcs are driving you.
CURUNIR: Wee dog loses direction, but prances and pivots until he’s found!
BAMFURLONG: Distance a horse can travel on its posterior? Vowel shift! Here it is!
TURGON: An unsung hero, because he evidently unblocked the toilet in Gondolin, even without being noted for it!
EARNIL: Dunno how this geezer keeps his specs on, or stops his helm falling over his nose!
???S???: Kanga’s baby’s bogies are projectile for him!

PASSWORD & THEME: SILLY CLUES.

I prefer the mutilated fish version of that clue. Cruel as it sounds, I think it's sillier. But I had already used it. Still, it's the reason this puzzle has happened.

Now, folks, come on. What are bogies/boogers essentially MADE of?

[Urwen]

Slime?

[Pervinca Took]

More slangy than slime.

[Urwen]

Mucus?

[Urwen]

Or snot?

[Pervinca Took]

YES! SNOT!

https://youtu.be/k8uweOXgnak

SO, essentially, the bogies of Kanga's baby are:

ROO SNOT.

Make that projectile.

[Pervinca Took]

Are there any pirates in Middle-earth? :D

hS

Why yes! The Pirates of Pelargir! But they never attack orphans.

[Urwen]

Missile, rocket, shell, arrow, bullet, dart, rocket, torpedo, bomb, shaft, shot, spear, impelling.

[Pervinca Took]

No, not like that. :D

[Urwen]

Like what, then?

[Pervinca Took]

If someone has projectile vomiting, it goes everywhere, right?

[Urwen]

Yes. So it's all over the place?

[Pervinca Took]

Precisely.

[Urwen]

Roo snot all over?

[Pervinca Took]

Yes.

[Urwen]

I don't see it.....

[Pervinca Took]

What is 'all over' or 'projectile' trying to *indicate?*

[Urwen]

Oh wait, I do. Very clever.

Soronto (Roo+Snot).

How did I do?

[Pervinca Took]

Though pedant proud this setter be,
To overload a clue, e’en she
Unwilling is, so therefore, peers,
For some of these, LOOK TO YOUR EARS! :-

SARN(IE) FORD: Crossing where people eat their butties – before that is lost.
FINGON: He’s a seafaring amputee! Ouch!
LAIQUENDI: These elves (and the lost boys) adore her.
THE FLOATING LOG: This pub has decidedly dodgy toilets.
YAMMER: Something you probably do if Rankin-Bass orcs are driving you.
CURUNIR: Wee dog loses direction, but prances and pivots until he’s found!
BAMFURLONG: Distance a horse can travel on its posterior? Vowel shift! Here it is!
TURGON: An unsung hero, because he evidently unblocked the toilet in Gondolin, even without being noted for it!
EARNIL: Dunno how this geezer keeps his specs on, or stops his helm falling over his nose!
SORONTO: Kanga’s baby’s bogies are projectile for him!

PASSWORD & THEME: SILLY CLUES.

Yes, Soronto is made of baby kangaroo snot. Who knew? :D

I enjoyed that. :D

And Urwen, you did very well. But since Huey guessed the password this time, it's over to him, at least to choose who does the next one.

[Urwen]

But will he choose to take over or not, that is the question. ;)

[Huinesoron]

I have one ready, but can't post it until tomorrow. So if you're okay to wait 14 hours or so...? :) Fun password, Pervinca, and good working with you, Urwen!

hS

[Urwen]

I am okay with that, but may we know why can't you just copy-paste it if you already have it prepared? It takes all of fifteen seconds, give or take.

[Pervinca Took]

Probably the same reason I sometimes can't ... they're on a Word document on my laptop, which during the week might be locked in my cupboard at work, and I mostly post from my phone, which is always with me.

[Huinesoron]

Precisely that, Pervinca (though in this case it was a Text document on a desktop).

Since tomorrow is now upon us, here you go:

1. West, briefly a ring-slinger, is attending.
2. Sounds like my smile goes from right to left.
3. One step on from a dwarf impaled by two thirds of a spear.
4. No light, and it sounds like no Hell either; it's all backwards!
5. Mother jumbled up the marbles.
6. A crazy omlette row? Never let it end.
7. Take elements of two backwards countries, then add Earth (well, stone) and Air.

For Reasons, I'm going to need to insist on at least two-thirds of a clue being explained with each answer.

hS

[Urwen]

Marbles, as in wit, or as in round objects?

[Urwen]

6. Maeglin (Ma+Eg+Lin). Mad + Egg + Line with the last letters taken away.

Finally, someone who isn't me has used Maeglin as the clue! :D

[Urwen]

Oh, wait, if all the clues are what I think they are, then you're one sneaky person.

[Urwen]

2 is also Maeglin (Mae + Grin - R + L)

So is 1 (Mae (West) + LING)

So is the password.

[Urwen]

I had hoped to prank you with my last puzzle, but you outplayed me. *bows*

[Huinesoron]

Spot on for 6. 2, yes (with 'mae' sounding like 'my'). 1 I can't give you; you only got half of the clue right, unless you can clarify why 'briefly a ring-slinger, is attending' comes out as LING.

(I'll tell you now that anagrams are only involved in one clue.)

1. M?????? - West, briefly a ring-slinger, is attending.
2. MAEGLIN - Sounds like my smile goes from right to left.
3. ??E???? - One step on from a dwarf impaled by two thirds of a spear.
4. ???G??? - No light, and it sounds like no Hell either; it's all backwards!
5. ????L?? - Mother jumbled up the marbles.
6. MAEGLI? - A crazy omlette row? Never let it end.
7. ??????N - Take elements of two backwards countries, then add Earth (well, stone) and Air.

I had hoped to prank you with my last puzzle, but you outplayed me. *bows*

^_^

hS

[Urwen]

4. (gleam+n)?

[Urwen]

7. Gem+A, with Lin as backward countries, but which ones?

[Huinesoron]

4. (gleam+n)?

That looks like you've just taken the first two words of the clue (and still ended up missing a letter). Can you find an answer that makes use of the entire thing?

7. Gem+A, with Lin as backward countries, but which ones?

Oddly enough, you've split the clue correctly, but gotten the two halves of the clue attached to precisely the wrong halves of the answer. :)

hS

[Urwen]

Take backwards countries, then add Gem and A.......

[Urwen]

No Hell sounds like 'no L' or 'N L'.

[Huinesoron]

Take backwards countries, then add Gem and A.......

Er... no. I meant:

' two backwards countries | Earth (well, stone) and Air' == 'maeg | lin'

No Hell sounds like 'no L' or 'N L'.

Hey, it kinda does!

hS

[Urwen]

Ma and Eg for Armenia and Georgia, backwards, and Li from Lithos for stone, and N from Nitrogen.

[Huinesoron]

Ma and Eg for Armenia and Georgia, backwards, and Li from Lithos for stone, and N from Nitrogen.

I'm gonna give you that one. I was actually looking at elements for all four: Am is Americium, while Ge is Germanium. Li and N exactly as you said.

1. M?????? - West, briefly a ring-slinger, is attending.
2. MAEGLIN - Sounds like my smile goes from right to left.
3. ??E???? - One step on from a dwarf impaled by two thirds of a spear.
4. ???G??? - No light, and it sounds like no Hell either; it's all backwards!
5. ????L?? - Mother jumbled up the marbles.
6. MAEGLIN - A crazy omlette row? Never let it end.
7. MAEGLIN - Take elements of two backwards countries, then add Earth (well, stone) and Air.

Four answers to go. What could they be?!?!?!

hS

[Urwen]

'dwarf' confuses me.

[Urwen]

Spear could be JAVELIN, and two thirds of that is 'LIN'.

Funny how he too was gonna be impaled by a spear if it weren't for his 'ma'.

[Urwen]

5 is MA+ELGIN

[Urwen]

For 1, LING comes from SLINGER

[Huinesoron]

'dwarf' confuses me.

Well I'm sorry about that. :)

Spear could be JAVELIN, and two thirds of that is 'LIN'.

Funny how he too was gonna be impaled by a spear if it weren't for his 'ma'.

Uh... 'LIN' would be three-sevenths of 'JAVELIN'.

“Good heavens!” growled Beorn. “Don’t pretend that [Huinesoron]s can’t count. They can."

5 is MA+ELGIN

It is! And the only anagram in the set.

1. M?????? - West, briefly a ring-slinger, is attending.
2. MAEGLIN - Sounds like my smile goes from right to left.
3. ??E???? - One step on from a dwarf impaled by two thirds of a spear.
4. ???G??? - No light, and it sounds like no Hell either; it's all backwards!
5. MAEGLIN - Mother jumbled up the marbles.
6. MAEGLIN - A crazy omlette row? Never let it end.
7. MAEGLIN - Take elements of two backwards countries, then add Earth (well, stone) and Air.

For 1, LING comes from SLINGER

I can see what you're going for, but 'briefly' means you're looking for an acronym for something indicated by 'a ring-slinger'. And then there's a third part to the clue.

hS

[Urwen]

1. Mae+gl+in?

[Urwen]

Spear comes up as GAR, and two thirds is GA, but there is only one anagram per your words, so that can't be it.

[Huinesoron]

1. Mae+gl+in?

Yes (can you explain why?).

Spear comes up as GAR, and two thirds is GA, but there is only one anagram per your words, so that can't be it.

Both 'a dwarf' and 'a spear' are specific entities, not general concepts.

hS

[Urwen]

Then dwarf is Mim and the spear is Aeglos. One points to first letter, and two-thirds of Aeglos is AEGL. Impaled means inside, or in.

Or in other words, M+aegl+in

[Urwen]

Ring-slinger points to Green Lantern, which is abbreviated to GL. Attending is in, and we both know what first part of the clue means.

[Huinesoron]

Then dwarf is Mim and the spear is Aeglos. One points to first letter, and two-thirds of Aeglos is AEGL. Impaled means inside, or in.

Or in other words, M+aegl+in

That works. I was going with AEGL inside a word one letter on from Mim, so MIN.

Ring-slinger points to Green Lantern, which is abbreviated to GL. Attending is in, and we both know what first part of the clue means.

Entirely correct; I now want to see a movie about Dr. Mae West, Green Lantern of Sector 2814.

1. MAEGLIN - West, briefly a ring-slinger, is attending.
2. MAEGLIN - Sounds like my smile goes from right to left.
3. MAEGLIN - One step on from a dwarf impaled by two thirds of a spear.
4. ???G??? - No light, and it sounds like no Hell either; it's all backwards!
5. MAEGLIN - Mother jumbled up the marbles.
6. MAEGLIN - A crazy omlette row? Never let it end.
7. MAEGLIN - Take elements of two backwards countries, then add Earth (well, stone) and Air.

Just the one to go! The word 'backwards' may help you here.

hS

[Urwen]

Light could be 'GLEAM', except it reads MAELG backwards instead of MAEGL, and you said no more anagrams.

[Huinesoron]

I did indeed say no more anagrams. Maybe apply some more backwards instead?

hS

[Urwen]

So we need to apply LG backwards too? But even then, it still lacks IN.

Unless we switch NO to German, for NEIN, and cut it in half......

[Huinesoron]

It's all backwards

hS

[Urwen]

So if we remove L from GLEAM, we get GEAM, which is Maeg backwards. Then we add LI as in light, and N for No.

[Urwen]

Bad Huinesoron. Very bad. Tempting me with the character I care about the most and then vanishing......:(

[Huinesoron]

It's allllllllllll backwards. Not just part of it. Allllllll. [Spooky hand gestures]

(seriously just write his name backwards already)

hS

[Urwen]

All right

Nilgeam. (Maeg+Li+N backwards)

Good enough for you?

[Huinesoron]

1. MAEGLIN - West, briefly a ring-slinger, is attending.
2. MAEGLIN - Sounds like my smile goes from right to left.
3. MAEGLIN - One step on from a dwarf impaled by two thirds of a spear.
4. MAEGLIN - No light, and it sounds like no Hell either; it's all backwards!
5. MAEGLIN - Mother jumbled up the marbles.
6. MAEGLIN - A crazy omlette row? Never let it end.
7. MAEGLIN - Take elements of two backwards countries, then add Earth (well, stone) and Air.

Theme: MAEGLIN

Nil = none. So Nil Gleam = no light. Sounds like no Hell = no L, so Nil Geam. It's all backwards = Maeglin.

And so it is over to you.

hS

[Urwen]

In spite of what he's done
I still cherish him, even if I'm the only one

For I feel sorry for him, and this is true
And there's no one else I can turn to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uL3jJSLqDE

[Urwen]

Anyway, this puzzle is titled 'Urwen's Revenge'.

1. She is endlessly full in reverse, with German one spinning.
2. The largest Australian lizard goes in circles and gains direction.
3. Turn a class of vertebrates around. Shorten England.
4. A compound and an element spin together, chemically speaking
5. Deceive, according to number. It's all jumbled up.
6. A scheme changes vowels and a wheel cover gains one, in a muddle
7. A hormone and a lake without eye. It's all broken.
8. Elite skill in a daze.
9. A Tree changes a vowel.

[Pervinca Took]

I remember hS saying he'd thought of making all the answers Maeglin, but I thought he was joking! That was BRILLIANT!

...

Can someone explain to me what a ring-slinger is, and the element it gives to that clue?

...

Urwen, most of your new clues don't seem to contain a straight element?

[Urwen]

I remember hS saying he'd thought of making all the answers Maeglin, but I thought he was joking! That was BRILLIANT!

Yeah, didn't expect that one either, but I am glad he did.

Btw, check ur inbox.

[Pervinca Took]

Yeah, didn't expect that one either, but I am glad he did.

Btw, check ur inbox.

I have. :)

[Urwen]

I have. :)

Kay, just wanted to make sure.

[Pervinca Took]

9. ALDOR, from elder?

[Urwen]

I remember hS saying he'd thought of making all the answers Maeglin, but I thought he was joking! That was BRILLIANT!

...

Can someone explain to me what a ring-slinger is, and the element it gives to that clue?

...

Urwen, most of your new clues don't seem to contain a straight element?

That's because they don't need one. The first clue does, and that's enough for this set. Urwen's revenge, remember?

And ring-slinger clue indicates Green Lantern, abbreviated to GL.

[Urwen]

9. ALDOR, from elder?

Nope.

My mistake, it's a vowel, not vowels.

[Pervinca Took]

Aldor from alder, then? :D

(Just kidding).

[Pervinca Took]

But I have no idea why a green lantern is a ring slinger!

[Urwen]

Aldor from alder, then? :D

(Just kidding).


Nope.

[Urwen]

But I have no idea why a green lantern is a ring slinger!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KkV_swvE2Q

[Pervinca Took]

For the new page:

Anyway, this puzzle is titled 'Urwen's Revenge'.

1. She is endlessly full in reverse, with German one spinning.
2. The largest Australian lizard goes in circles and gains direction.
3. Turn a class of vertebrates around. Shorten England.
4. A compound and an element spin together, chemically speaking
5. Deceive, according to number. It's all jumbled up.
6. A scheme changes vowels and a wheel cover gains one, in a muddle
7. A hormone and a lake without eye. It's all broken.
8. Elite skill in a daze.
9. A Tree changes a vowel.

5. MIRIEL? LIE + RE + M? Er ... too many I's. Whoops!

[Urwen]

Nope.

[Urwen]

I think Huinesoron would get this immediately, but he isn't around....

[Urwen]

Hint: Start from 9, the easiest one to guess; there is a reason 'tree' is capitalized. After that.....well, my little trick would be revealed. ;)

[Huinesoron]

1. So she's REPLET(e) + EIN?

Hello, TELPERIEN. Are you also the password or is that too easy?

hS

[Urwen]

Alas, my little trick is uncovered.

Telperien: She is endlessly full in reverse, with German one spinning.
??E??: The largest Australian lizard goes in circles and gains direction.
??L??: Turn a class of vertebrates around. Shorten England.
??P??: A compound and an element spin together, chemically speaking
??E??: Deceive, according to number. It's all jumbled up.
??R??: A scheme changes vowels and a wheel cover gains one, in a muddle
??I??: A hormone and a lake without eye. It's all broken.
??E??: Elite skill in a daze.
??N??: A Tree changes a vowel.

I knew you would get it almost immediately. This has been Urwen's revenge.

[Pervinca Took]

I did actually consider replete. ;) But I was too tired to start thinking of anagrams.

Well, the Australian lizard is Perentie, and I guess the direction is L.

Are you saying that what Maeglin is to you, Telperien is to Huinesoron?

[Urwen]

Should I just give it over, considering that all the answers are the same?

Edit: Because he likes Telperien just as I like Lomion, and it was hard coming up with different clues.

[Pervinca Took]

No, let's work out how the clues work first.

How is PREN skill in the elite one? Or is the skill PR, and EN some medical term for a daze that I've never heard of?

[Urwen]

Pren is skill, according to this: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Pren

If you remove pren from the name, what letters are you left with?

[Pervinca Took]

REPTILE for the class of vertebrates, plus EN for shortened English.

[Pervinca Took]

LIE + RE + TEN still leaves the P of Telperien. ;)

EDIT: Oh, sorry. 'According to' must be PER, not RE.

[Pervinca Took]

I think TIRE is the North American spelling of a wheel cover?

PLAN - change A to E.

TIREPLEN.

Oh, 'one' refers to a vowel.

TIREPLENE = TELPERIEN.

[Pervinca Took]

LEPTIN (found in adipose tissue) and ER(I)E for the hormone and the lake.

[Urwen]

Something tells me you don't enjoy this one as much.

[Urwen]

TELPERIEN: She is endlessly full in reverse, with German one spinning.
??E??: The largest Australian lizard goes in circles and gains direction.
TELPERIEN: Turn a class of vertebrates around. Shorten England.
??P??: A compound and an element spin together, chemically speaking
TELPERIEN: Deceive, according to number. It's all jumbled up.
TELPERIEN: A scheme changes vowels and a wheel cover gains one, in a muddle
TELPERIEN: A hormone and a lake without eye. It's all broken.
??E??: Elite skill in a daze.
??N??: A Tree changes a vowel.

[Huinesoron]

But I have no idea why a green lantern is a ring slinger!

It's like gun-slinger; GL is a space sherriff (or should that be Shirriff?).

Edit: Because he likes Telperien just as I like Lomion, and it was hard coming up with different clues.

This is actually not true in the least. ^_^ But it amuses me that you think it is.

Right, it looks like Pervinca has got 2, 3, 5, 6, and 7. So there's three left:

8. Elite skill in a daze.

If PREN is the skill, then TELEI gives 'elite'... and is, in fact, just an anagram of ELITE. (Which means I guess Pervinca got this one too.)

9. A Tree changes a vowel.

You said it was the easiest... TELPERION switches to an E.

4. A compound and an element spin together, chemically speaking

Ah, now you're speaking my language! Except I... can't... find a chemical compound in there. :-/ Hrm.

hS

[Urwen]

Then your statement that she is your current obsession was a lie? :eek:

[Huinesoron]

Then your statement that she is your current obsession was a lie? :eek:

Did I say that? :eek:

hS

[Urwen]

Thanks! Let's move on from your favourite character to one of my bizarre obsessions: the Witch-Queen of Numenor (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=709939&postcount=65) theory (using the term 'theory' loosely).

Tar-Telperien -> The Witch-King of Angmar




;)

[Huinesoron]

Well, yeah, the theory, because the idea amuses me immensely (and holds up pretty well I think). But the theory is not the character - and I have lots of bizarre obsessions.

hS

[Urwen]

Well, yeah, the theory, because the idea amuses me immensely (and holds up pretty well I think). But the theory is not the character - and I have lots of bizarre obsessions.

hS


My bad then. I misunderstood. And I only have one.

[Pervinca Took]

Is it a chemical compound? The clue suggests it, but is only the element a chemical one?

To COMPOUND something is also to make it worse and its annoyances more complex and stronger.

You can live in a compound ... a building or set of buildings where more than one family live.

TELPERIEN almost has the WORD element in it ... but no M.

[Urwen]

TELPERIEN: She is endlessly full in reverse, with German one spinning.
??E??: The largest Australian lizard goes in circles and gains direction.
TELPERIEN: Turn a class of vertebrates around. Shorten England.
??P??: A compound and an element spin together, chemically speaking
TELPERIEN: Deceive, according to number. It's all jumbled up.
TELPERIEN: A scheme changes vowels and a wheel cover gains one, in a muddle
TELPERIEN: A hormone and a lake without eye. It's all broken.
TELPERIEN: Elite skill in a daze.
TELPERIEN: A Tree changes a vowel.


Only two more left. Find them.

[Nerwen]

What an odd password!

#2 is PERENTIE + L for the direction.

[Urwen]

What an odd password!

#2 is PERENTIE + L for the direction.

The one before it was similar.:smokin:

TELPERIEN: She is endlessly full in reverse, with German one spinning.
TELPERIEN: The largest Australian lizard goes in circles and gains direction.
TELPERIEN: Turn a class of vertebrates around. Shorten England.
??P??: A compound and an element spin together, chemically speaking
TELPERIEN: Deceive, according to number. It's all jumbled up.
TELPERIEN: A scheme changes vowels and a wheel cover gains one, in a muddle
TELPERIEN: A hormone and a lake without eye. It's all broken.
TELPERIEN: Elite skill in a daze.
TELPERIEN: A Tree changes a vowel.

One more left.

[Pervinca Took]

What an odd password!

#2 is PERENTIE + L for the direction.

I had already found this one, Urwen!

[Pervinca Took]

I did actually consider replete. ;) But I was too tired to start thinking of anagrams.

Well, the Australian lizard is Perentie, and I guess the direction is L.

Are you saying that what Maeglin is to you, Telperien is to Huinesoron?

But never mind.

[Urwen]

Sorry, I didn't see it.

[Pervinca Took]

The compound could be NITRE or PETRE (another word for saltpetre). What letters does that leave?

ELPE

or

LIEN

The thing is, I think the compound (if chemical compound it be) must be one with a layman's name, like the two above, because the full chemical name would be too long.

[Urwen]

The element is LI. That's all I am giving you.

[Pervinca Took]

Well, I thought it probably was.

[Pervinca Took]

TERPENE + Li.

[Urwen]

TELPERIEN: She is endlessly full in reverse, with German one spinning.
TELPERIEN: The largest Australian lizard goes in circles and gains direction.
TELPERIEN: Turn a class of vertebrates around. Shorten England.
TELPERIEN: A compound and an element spin together, chemically speaking
TELPERIEN: Deceive, according to number. It's all jumbled up.
TELPERIEN: A scheme changes vowels and a wheel cover gains one, in a muddle
TELPERIEN: A hormone and a lake without eye. It's all broken.
TELPERIEN: Elite skill in a daze.
TELPERIEN: A Tree changes a vowel.


And it's yours. Did you enjoy it at least? Or was it a failure on that account too?

[Pervinca Took]

It isn't mine. It's Huinesoron's!

I enjoyed it, though.

[Huinesoron]

TERPENE + Li.

Uggggh, terpenes. They're the worst.

(Actually I don't think I've ever worked with terpenes. Technically I've probably ruined some clothes with them, though!)

And it's yours. Did you enjoy it at least? Or was it a failure on that account too?

It wasn't a failure on any account; I have to agree that I pay a lot more attention to the Queens of Numenor than their place in history warrants. And it was fun to play the 'I know the answer, now how do we get there?' game from both sides.

It isn't mine. It's Huinesoron's!

Oh yeah that's technically true. ^_^ Ummm, give me a little while. It's not so easy when you have to come up with multiple answers...

hS

[Urwen]

I have to say that I love, love, love, your last puzzle, and I am eager to see what you'd come up with next. :D

[Huinesoron]

Oh dear, that's a high bar. I'm afraid this doesn't even come close to clearing it.

1. "I turn... into my gold!" the son declared.
2. I am the king, I am angry, I
3. "We are fair as one!" he said; find the end of his title.
4. Identify a neverending stream for the princess.
5. No way you'll hear the bearer in here.
6. In (very) bad Spanish, her name is what she has.
7. "Eee, not greater," the restorer said, turning tail.

(Mostly first letters, those which aren't do say as much. No anagrams, but a lot of soundalikes.)

(And yes, all the answers are different this time, promise. ^_~)

hS

[Urwen]

1. Maglor

[Urwen]

Seven letters, seven letters. What word beginning with M could possibly have seven letters? :eek:

[Huinesoron]

't'ain't Maglor.

hS

[Urwen]

My sounds like Mae, as you made me realize with your last puzzle. *looks at Huinesoron suspiciously*

[Huinesoron]

It kinda does, doesn't it?

hS

[Urwen]

7. Erestor (RESTORER turned)

[Urwen]

Hmmmm.....gilt for gold, inside, turn

NILIG

I know, Teiglin! Q.Q :p

[Urwen]

All right, time to end my pretense that I don't know what you mean.


1. Maeglin (Mae+Gilt-T+N)
4. Idril (ID, from identify + Rill - L)

[Urwen]

3. Feanor (FER+A+ON)

[Urwen]

Or is 1 Turin (from 'I TURN')?

[Pervinca Took]

Is 3 a soundalike of AR-PHARAZON?

[Huinesoron]

7. Erestor (RESTORER turned)

Nope. I did say no anagrams.

All right, time to end my pretense that I don't know what you mean.

1. Maeglin (Mae+Gilt-T+N)

Nope. ^_^

4. Idril (ID, from identify + Rill - L)

Correct & exact.

3. Feanor (FER+A+ON)

Nope!

Or is 1 Turin (from 'I TURN')?

It is not. The ellipsis is significant.

Is 3 a soundalike of AR-PHARAZON?

It is indeed! 'Are fair-as-one', but we don't need the first letter...

1. "I turn... into my gold!" the son declared.
2. I am the king, I am angry, I
AR-PHARAZON - "We are fair as one!" he said; find the end of his title.
IDRIL - Identify a neverending stream for the princess.
5. No way you'll hear the bearer in here.
6. In (very) bad Spanish, her name is what she has.
7. "Eee, not greater," the restorer said, turning tail.

hS

[Urwen]

7. Elessar (E+LESSER)

[Urwen]

1. Mae+In+Gold?

[Urwen]

Ar-Pharazon, Idril......


Theme: Descendants of Turgon?

[Urwen]

1. Minyatur?

[Pervinca Took]

6 is a very hard one. Is Lobelia Spanish for spoons or something?

[Huinesoron]

7. Elessar (E+LESSER)

Exactly right. ^_^ And using the last letter (all others are first letters from now on).

1. Mae+In+Gold?

I'm... not even sure what name you were trying to spell out here, but it's wrong.

Ar-Pharazon, Idril......

Theme: Descendants of Turgon?

Nope!

1. Minyatur?

Nope.

6 is a very hard one. Is Lobelia Spanish for spoons or something?

Not as far as I know. My Spanish is really, really bad; I'm the sort of person who would go into a bar and order 'UNO... BEERS... SI?'. (For the purposes of this clue, anyway...)

1. "I turn... into my gold!" the son declared.
2. I am the king, I am angry, I
AR-PHARAZON - "We are fair as one!" he said; find the end of his title.
IDRIL - Identify a neverending stream for the princess.
5. No way you'll hear the bearer in here.
6. In (very) bad Spanish, her name is what she has.
ELESSAR "Eee, not greater," the restorer said, turning tail.

hS

[Nerwen]

Not as far as I know. My Spanish is really, really bad; I'm the sort of person who would go into a bar and order 'UNO... BEERS... SI?'. (For the purposes of this clue, anyway...)

Bad enough for you to think ELWING is Spanish? (Just checking!)

[Nerwen]

Is #2 AMROTH?

[Huinesoron]

Bad enough for you to think ELWING is Spanish? (Just checking!)

SHE HAS EL WINGS, SI??? FLAPPY LA FLAPPY???

(To be clear this is a commentary on English people in Spain, not on the Spanish who I'm sure know their own language better than that.)

Is #2 AMROTH?

He am wroth.

1. "I turn... into my gold!" the son declared.
AMROTH - I am the king, I am angry, I
AR-PHARAZON - "We are fair as one!" he said; find the end of his title.
IDRIL - Identify a neverending stream for the princess.
5. No way you'll hear the bearer in here.
ELWING - In (very) bad Spanish, her name is what she has.
ELESSAR "Eee, not greater," the restorer said, turning tail.

Two (and the password) to go.

hS

[Urwen]

Password: Mariner?

[Nerwen]

Hmmn. I think the password might be MARINER, in which case the known answers could be connected thus-

???
AMROTH- this one is tenuous. Amroth set foot on a ship, at least, though he didn't exactly voyage far...
AR-PHARAZÔN- descendant of Eärendil, the Mariner; had a fleet.
IDRIL- mother of Eärendil.
ELWING- wife of Eärendil.
???
ELESSAR- jewel worn by Eärendil; title of Aragorn II, another descendant.

Edit: ninja'd by Urwen!

[Urwen]

1: Minastir?

[Urwen]

There is also Aldarion, but there is no M there....

[Urwen]

And 5 could be Tarannon, the ship-king

[Urwen]

P.S: It's your turn for riddle game.

[Huinesoron]

Password: Mariner?

It is!

1. M - "I turn... into my gold!" the son declared.
AMROTH - I am the king, I am angry, I
AR-PHARAZON - "We are fair as one!" he said; find the end of his title.
IDRIL - Identify a neverending stream for the princess.
5. N - No way you'll hear the bearer in here.
ELWING - In (very) bad Spanish, her name is what she has.
ELESSAR "Eee, not greater," the restorer said, turning tail.

Hmmn. I think the password might be MARINER, in which case the known answers could be connected thus-

???
AMROTH- this one is tenuous. Amroth set foot on a ship, at least, though he didn't exactly voyage far...
AR-PHARAZÔN- descendant of Eärendil, the Mariner; had a fleet.
IDRIL- mother of Eärendil.
ELWING- wife of Eärendil.
???
ELESSAR- jewel worn by Eärendil; title of Aragorn II, another descendant.

Amroth sailed 'far out to see'; he counts. Ar-Pharazon had a big ship, Idril sailed to Valinor, and so did Elwing (though she started further out to sea). Aragorn sailed on Umbar in service to Ecthelion. All the characters are actual mariners, though only one of the remaining two was necessarily any good at it.

1: Minastir?

There is also Aldarion, but there is no M there....

And 5 could be Tarannon, the ship-king

Are you just guessing sailors now? None of those.

In 1, you need to find two words that would fit into the ellipsis.

In 5, you're looking for someone really known for their boat connection, but by an uncommon name of theirs. Spotting the straight clue might also help.

And both of them begin with their password letter.

hS

[Urwen]

Are the words in ellipsis 'my water'?

[Urwen]

The bearer is Frodo.....I think.....

[Huinesoron]

Are the words in ellipsis 'my water'?

'Water into gold', that well-known saying, leading to Tolkien's famous character Maewotor.

(No.)

The bearer is Frodo.....I think.....

Nope - but right kind of bearer!

hS

[Urwen]

Known ring-bearers: Bilbo, Sam, Elrond, Cirdan, Galadriel, Gandalf, Gil-Galad, Finrod, Barahir, Beren, Aragorn, and Sauron.

[Urwen]

How about turning iron into gold, in which case, the answer is Mae+Iron = Mairon, who traveled via boat with good old Phary.

[Nerwen]

So it's just "made voyages"? I'm still doubtful about the applicability to unwilling sailors who throw themselves overboard, but it's your call.;)

Is #5 NOWË (a name of Círdan)?

[Nerwen]

And Urwen, thanks for the reminder. I'll put one up shortly.

[Huinesoron]

How about turning iron into gold, in which case, the answer is Mae+Iron = Mairon, who traveled via boat with good old Phary.

Nope, not him. Is 'iron to gold' a common thing? Lead would be the usual metal, but it's not that either.

So it's just "made voyages"? I'm still doubtful about the applicability to unwilling sailors who throw themselves overboard, but it's your call.;)

The sailing was always the plan, though; he just wanted it to happen later. :)

Is #5 NOWË (a name of Círdan)?

No way! Yes, it is. :)

1. M - "I turn... into my gold!" the son declared.
AMROTH - I am the king, I am angry, I
AR-PHARAZON - "We are fair as one!" he said; find the end of his title.
IDRIL - Identify a neverending stream for the princess.
NOWË - No way you'll hear the bearer in here.
ELWING - In (very) bad Spanish, her name is what she has.
ELESSAR "Eee, not greater," the restorer said, turning tail.

(Running into that name made me wonder again about the names of the end-Cuivienen Eldar: Ingwe, Finwe, Elwe, Olwe, Nowe, Morwe, Nurwe. Were they all named [single syllable]-we - and if so, could we use this to deduce the maximum male population of Cuivienen, or perhaps just of this generation?

(The counter argument is Elmo, of course.)

hS

[Urwen]

Copper? Stone?

[Huinesoron]

Copper? Stone?

You're just guessing random substances now.

I believe the idiom I'm using goes back to the Bible; it's certainly found in various hymns. No specific substance is named, and the context is more refining than alchemy.

hS

[Urwen]

Bible says 'Instead of bronze, I bring you gold'.

[Huinesoron]

Bible says 'Instead of bronze, I bring you gold'.

The word is one used to describe the rubbish left after you refine a metal.

hS

[Urwen]

Scrap?

[Nerwen]

Dross. So, MAEDHROS?

[Huinesoron]

Dross. So, MAEDHROS?

That's the one!

The flame shall not hurt thee; I only design
Thy dross to consume, and thy gold to refine.

MAEDHROS - "I turn... into my gold!" the son declared.
AMROTH - I am the king, I am angry, I
AR-PHARAZON - "We are fair as one!" he said; find the end of his title.
IDRIL - Identify a neverending stream for the princess.
NOWË - No way you'll hear the bearer in here.
ELWING - In (very) bad Spanish, her name is what she has.
ELESSAR "Eee, not greater," the restorer said, turning tail.

Not the best of clues, but I had a complete blank on how to clue 'dross'. So.

Over to Urwen!

hS

[Urwen]

1. 'Tween the flower lacking an insect and a Faithful Easterling, a reversed note sits. A grandson is revealed.
2. An alcoholic liquor makes him endlessly sick.
3. A biblical sister returns without end. Hear the pronoun within. For him.
4. He went a long way and for a long period of time.
5. A returning rodent and a spinning dinosaur triggered an endless warning. He is revealed.

[Nerwen]

#2, I believe, is RUMIL (rum + il(l)).

[Urwen]

1. 'Tween the flower lacking an insect and a Faithful Easterling, a reversed note sits. A grandson is revealed.
RUMIL: An alcoholic liquor makes him endlessly sick.
3. A biblical sister returns without end. Hear the pronoun within. For him.
4. He went a long way and for a long period of time.
5. A returning rodent and a spinning dinosaur triggered an endless warning. He is revealed.

[Pervinca Took]

3 could be TURIN - RUTH backwards plus IN (within). You can hear U (you) but you don't need to, because it's already accounted for.

[Urwen]

No, it's a different sister.

[Pervinca Took]

4. Forlong? (Worth a guess).

[Urwen]

Nope.

[Pervinca Took]

I think 1 is CELEBRIMBOR.

BOR= Chief of the Faithful Easterlings.
IM = MI backwards.
CELEBR(ANT) = river (flower).

Famous grandson of Feanor. I wonder if they ever knew each other.

[Urwen]

CELEBRIMBOR: 'Tween the flower lacking an insect and a Faithful Easterling, a reversed note sits. A grandson is revealed.
RUMIL: An alcoholic liquor makes him endlessly sick.
3. A biblical sister returns without end. Hear the pronoun within. For him.
4. He went a long way and for a long period of time.
5. A returning rodent and a spinning dinosaur triggered an endless warning. He is revealed.

Have you heard of the pairing called 'Fallen Banners', by the way? That pairing is rather popular on teh interwebz, and I'm starting to see why.

[Nerwen]

Is #4 FËANÁRO (far + aeon)?

Is the password CRAFT?

(And no, I haven't heard of that pairing and I'm chicken to google it...)

[Urwen]

It's a pairing of Feanor's grandson and Fingolfin's grandson.

CELEBRIMBOR: 'Tween the flower lacking an insect and a Faithful Easterling, a reversed note sits. A grandson is revealed.
RUMIL: An alcoholic liquor makes him endlessly sick.
A: A biblical sister returns without end. Hear the pronoun within. For him.
FEANARO: He went a long way and for a long period of time.
T: A returning rodent and a spinning dinosaur triggered an endless warning. He is revealed.

And it's your turn to make a riddle as well. :)

[Pervinca Took]

If it's crafts, I guess A must be AULE, with LEA(H) and U.

I was expecting it to run backwards without mixing up.

Ruth (my previous guess for the sister) is I think a daughter-in-law, not a sister.

[Urwen]

CELEBRIMBOR: 'Tween the flower lacking an insect and a Faithful Easterling, a reversed note sits. A grandson is revealed.
RUMIL: An alcoholic liquor makes him endlessly sick.
AULE: A biblical sister returns without end. Hear the pronoun within. For him.
FEANARO: He went a long way and for a long period of time.
T: A returning rodent and a spinning dinosaur triggered an endless warning. He is revealed.

[Huinesoron]

'Returning rodent' must be TAR-, and the best fit for the rest of the clue is dino + alar(m) = TAR-ALDARION, the shipwright.

hS

[Urwen]

CELEBRIMBOR: 'Tween the flower lacking an insect and a Faithful Easterling, a reversed note sits. A grandson is revealed.
RUMIL: An alcoholic liquor makes him endlessly sick.
AULE: A biblical sister returns without end. Hear the pronoun within. For him.
FEANARO: He went a long way and for a long period of time.
TAR-ALDARION: A returning rodent and a spinning dinosaur triggered an endless warning. He is revealed.

Over to Nerwen.

[Nerwen]

1. Adding note to a vessel results in a failure to shed light.
2. An isle without water about it.
3. Flowers receive radiation. Sounds like it's a boy!
4. Exclamation from opening creates a tempest.
5. It stops everything from happening at once.
6. An unwise thing to do at the Mewlips' door!
7. One who has no need for bicycles.

[Pervinca Took]

6. Knock? (According to the poem).

3. Hwaet? Not sure about storm, but it has 4/5 of water ... perhaps it doesn't have to be from the *exact* opening of something, though.

7. Mr Bliss? He has a motor car.

[Nerwen]

6. Knock? (According to the poem).

3. Hwaet? Not sure about storm, but it has 4/5 of water ... perhaps it doesn't have to be from the *exact* opening of something, though.

7. Mr Bliss? He has a motor car.

#3. No.

#7. No.

#6. Yes, but I'm looking for an equivalent action to perform at a door... and the poem is oddly ambiguous about this.

[Pervinca Took]

Loiter?

(I know it doesn't mean knock, but ....)

Call?

[Nerwen]

Nearly there.

[Huinesoron]

2. Thinks an island is a MOUNTAIN

6. And slow and softly RINGs their bell

7. We only wish to catch a FISH

5. Give me more time! Give me TIME!

At which point I think I may have found myself a theme, so I may as well round it out:

3. SUN on the daisies it means, it does (= son)

1. The answer was all round him anyway: "DARK!" (D + Ark, and very appropriate for the black-themed Downs)

4. WIND, wind of course. (window - OW!)

If it weren't for 5 & 6 I could make the password RIDDLES (by taking 3 as 'sun on the daisies'), but it doesn't quite fit. Ah, no, it's ANSWERS, isn't it?

hS

[Nerwen]

DARK: Adding note to a vessel results in a failure to shed light.
MOUNTAIN: An isle without water about it.
SUN ON THE DAISIES: Flowers receive radiation. Sounds like it's a boy!
WIND: Exclamation from opening creates a tempest.
TIME: It stops everything from happening at once.
RING: An unwise thing to do at the Mewlips' door!
FISH: One who has no need for bicycles.

Theme: answers to the Riddle Game.

Nice work, Huey!

[Pervinca Took]

Nice password!

Was UIN strictly the island, though, or the whale moving it? ;)

[Huinesoron]

Thanks, Nerwen - that was fun! I don't think I would have got it if I hadn't started off by quoting poetry in my first couple of answers.

Well, let's try this:

1. A proper plural and archaic form gives the black its English name.
2. Named for their master in the blackened green.
3. Known by where and what it is, home of gold.
4. Belted and counted; look three from the back.
5. Fear halved, an elementary rise for the new king.
6. Elvish fire, depart! The hammer begins to be cast by the river.
7. Firearms - the evil in the north.

hS

[Urwen]

5. Thorin (Fe=Iron)

[Huinesoron]

5. Thorin (Fe=Iron)

You're entirely right about iron, and the dwarf association, but it's not Thorin.

I don't think there's any anagrams in this, though in general the clues are a bit looser than usual.

hS