Password

[Urwen]

MAREC: Mix a sweet treat for him.
OSSE: A temporary police force without a head reveals him.
R: A confused watcher, with a note in the middle? For him.
LANGON: Chinese tree fruit is spun for him.
EOR: Twist the fish eggs for him.
GOTHMOG: Initially, Game of Thrones. A broken unit? Note it for him.

One to go.

[Pervinca Took]

Radbug?

Guard + b.

EDIT: It's just done the 'decapitalisation' thing to me as well.

[Urwen]

MAREC: Mix a sweet treat for him.
OSSE: A temporary police force without a head reveals him.
RADBUG: A confused watcher, with a note in the middle? For him.
LANGON: Chinese tree fruit is spun for him.
EOR: Twist the fish eggs for him.
GOTHMOG: Initially, Game of Thrones. A broken unit? Note it for him.

G55 gets the turn, but can you find the theme first? ;)

[Pervinca Took]

Villains? But is Osse a villain? Osse seems to rule out gory deaths as well.

[Urwen]

Villains? But is Osse a villain? Osse seems to rule out gory deaths as well.


He was. He used to serve Morgoth for a while.

[Pervinca Took]

Is villains the theme, then?

[Urwen]

Yes.

[Galadriel55]

I forgot that I answered for the password. Thank you Urwen for the reminder. I am working on mine now, will post within 24 hours - else feel free to poke me again.

[Urwen]

And the riddles too.

[Galadriel55]

And the riddles too.

Ahh, shoot. I get excited about answering but then because I haven't written a puzzle for so long I forget that I have to do it. :D:o Sorry!



1. In Latin, around a short girl is half a man.
2. King Homer is off tune.
3. Ruler of protective building.
4. Like Voldemort's claim to fame, except for the good guys.
5. White lady looks in the mirror.
6. Didn't recognize #5.
7. Always tells the truth? No, that's not what it means...
8. Ram echo on Mars - with a bit of confusion all around.



This one should not be too tricksy. Enjoy!

[Urwen]

2. Eomer
5. Nywoe
8. Amras

[Pervinca Took]

8. Rammas Echor.

6. Merry, as he didn't see who Dernhelm was?

[Pervinca Took]

Just so we can see the clues:

Ahh, shoot. I get excited about answering but then because I haven't written a puzzle for so long I forget that I have to do it. :D:o

1. In Latin, around a short girl is half a man.
2. King Homer is off tune.
3. Ruler of protective building.
4. Like Voldemort's claim to fame, except for the good guys.
5. White lady looks in the mirror.
6. Didn't recognize #5.
7. Always tells the truth? No, that's not what it means...
8. Ram echo on Mars - with a bit of confusion all around.



This one should not be too tricksy. Enjoy!

4. Immortality?

3. Helm?

[Galadriel55]

1. In Latin, around a short girl is half a man.
2. EOMER: King Homer is off tune.
3. Ruler of protective building.
4. Like Voldemort's claim to fame, except for the good guys.
5. White lady looks in the mirror.
6. Didn't recognize #5.
7. Always tells the truth? No, that's not what it means...
8. RAMMAS ECHOR: Ram echo on Mars - with a bit of confusion all around.



No to the rest.
#4 is something more specific than a... quality? description?
#6: Not Merry, but your thinking is correct.


Urwen, who is Nywoe?

[Pervinca Took]

Eowyn backwards (mirrored).

[Galadriel55]

Ooooh! Whoops, my bad. I was looking for Eowyn and didn't clue in. I am clearly not on top of things the last few days. :o




1. In Latin, around a short girl is half a man.
2. EOMER: King Homer is off tune.
3. Ruler of protective building.
4. Like Voldemort's claim to fame, except for the good guys.
5. NYWOE White lady looks in the mirror.
6. Didn't recognize #5.
7. Always tells the truth? No, that's not what it means...
8. RAMMAS ECHOR: Ram echo on Mars - with a bit of confusion all around.

[Urwen]

Is 4 Gandalf?

[Pervinca Took]

6. Well, the Witch-King didn't recognise Eowyn either, I suppose.

[Galadriel55]

Is 4 Gandalf?

No, it is not.

6. Well, the Witch-King didn't recognise Eowyn either, I suppose.

So close. But not the response that is needed for the password.

[Pervinca Took]

4. Wizardry?

[Pervinca Took]

6. Nazgul, or Ringwraith, or Lord of the Nazgul?

[Pervinca Took]

Pelennor? (Password).

[Galadriel55]

1. P: In Latin, around a short girl is half a man.
2. EOMER: King Homer is off tune.
3. L: Ruler of protective building.
4. E: Like Voldemort's claim to fame, except for the good guys.
5. NYWOE: White lady looks in the mirror.
6. Nazgul: Didn't recognize #5.
7. O: Always tells the truth? No, that's not what it means...
8. RAMMAS ECHOR: Ram echo on Mars - with a bit of confusion all around.


#4 is not a quality. It's a claim that Voldemort spreads about, which is similar to the claim a good character makes. It's a claim that brings them both to their respective "fame". The one you need for the password is the Tolkien analogue.

If that one doesn't click, try the other clues first. There are easier ones lying around, I think.

[Pervinca Took]

1. PUKEL ... is it part of APUD and a short version of KELLY?

[Galadriel55]

1. PUKEL ... is it part of APUD and a short version of KELLY?

No.

[Pervinca Took]

Ah.

PERIAN?

[Galadriel55]

Ah.

PERIAN?

Indeed.



1. PERIAN: In Latin, around a short girl is half a man.
2. EOMER: King Homer is off tune.
3. L: Ruler of protective building.
4. E: Like Voldemort's claim to fame, except for the good guys.
5. NYWOE: White lady looks in the mirror.
6. Nazgul: Didn't recognize #5.
7. O: Always tells the truth? No, that's not what it means...
8. RAMMAS ECHOR: Ram echo on Mars - with a bit of confusion all around.

[Pervinca Took]

I see ERIN, but not the rest.

Latin for in is IN.

Latin for around is CIRCUM, although I think I came across APUD for one of them.

There's PEN, but I thought that meant 'almost.'

[Galadriel55]

I see ERIN, but not the rest.

Latin for in is IN.

Latin for around is CIRCUM, although I think I came across APUD for one of them.

There's PEN, but I thought that meant 'almost.'

It was intended to be PERI (prefix meaning, around, nearby, surrounding) + AN[N]. Did I get it wrong?

[Pervinca Took]

No, you just know much more Latin than me. ;)

[Pervinca Took]

I'd like to say Voldy liked the Beatles and went around singing 'I am the EGGMAN,' but I think that's apocryphal.

[Pervinca Took]

He claimed to be an HEIR, as did Aragorn, but that only works as a 'sounds like.'

Voldy ... Heir of Slytherin?

ELESSAR ... Heir of Isildur?

[Galadriel55]

No, you just know much more Latin than me. ;)

Nah, I just encounter a certain subset of Latin vocabulary much more often. Pericardium, periosteum, perimysium, perichondrium... Or locations: perihilar, periodontal. I see a lot of "peri" and no "apud". :)

[Galadriel55]

ELESSAR ... Heir of Isildur?

Perfect logic. I'll give you the wording. :)

Imagine if Aragorn went around painting messages about the Heir of Isildur (and Elendil) on Rivendell walls... :D



1. PERIAN: In Latin, around a short girl is half a man.
2. EOMER: King Homer is off tune.
3. L: Ruler of protective building.
4. ELENDIL'S HEIR: Like Voldemort's claim to fame, except for the good guys.
5. NYWOE: White lady looks in the mirror.
6. Nazgul: Didn't recognize #5.
7. O: Always tells the truth? No, that's not what it means...
8. RAMMAS ECHOR: Ram echo on Mars - with a bit of confusion all around.

[Pervinca Took]

I thought of Elendil, but Isildur's Heir seems to appear more in the text ... or does it?

[Pervinca Took]

I wonder if L is LORD of something.

[Galadriel55]

I thought of Elendil, but Isildur's Heir seems to appear more in the text ... or does it?

It does. I initially wanted to reference Aragorn's banner, which was referred to as Elendil's sign, but thought that wasn't specific enough for a clue. So it morphed into Elendil's heir. Which I guess isn't much better because Aragorn is more commonly referred to as Isildur's heir. *sigh*

I wonder if L is LORD of something.

Good thought.

[Pervinca Took]

I can't think of what, though.

7. Oathbreaker(s)?

[Galadriel55]

Not Oathbreakers.

I can't think of what, though.

Well, it's related to the theme. That should narrow things down.

[Pervinca Took]

Lord of Minas Morgul?

Imrahil is a Prince, and not connected with a building. Denethor is, but he's not at Pelennor, and buildings in Rohan I think are all ruled by the King.

I don't think Faramir is Lord of Osgiliath, but I could be wrong.

I think the Houses of Healing have a Warden.

I first thought Lord of Lossarnach, probably because I was looking for L's, but I think that's just a region.

Theoden is Lord of the Mark, but that's a country.

[Pervinca Took]

7. Oliphaunt. ('I never lie.')

[Huinesoron]

Imrahil is a Prince, and not connected with a building. Denethor is, but he's not at Pelennor, and buildings in Rohan I think are all ruled by the King.

Wasn't Denethor technically commanding at the Pelennor, at least in part? Lord of the Tower of Guard would work for 'protective building' (or Lord of Minas Tirith if you prefer the Elvish).

hS

[Galadriel55]

1. PERIAN: In Latin, around a short girl is half a man.
2. EOMER: King Homer is off tune.
3. LORD OF MINAS TIRITH: Ruler of protective building.
4. ELENDIL'S HEIR: Like Voldemort's claim to fame, except for the good guys.
5. NYWOE: White lady looks in the mirror.
6. NAZGUL: Didn't recognize #5.
7. OLIPHAUNT: Always tells the truth? No, that's not what it means...
8. RAMMAS ECHOR: Ram echo on Mars - with a bit of confusion all around.


Yay!

Denethor is the commander of the Minas Tirith forces, and technically remains so even when Imrahil and Gandalf take over. During the Battle of Pelennor fields specifically, he is notable in his absence as he was busy committing suicide. But his men continue to fight.


Over to Pervinca!

[Pervinca Took]

1. PERIAN: In Latin, around a short girl is half a man.
2. EOMER: King Homer is off tune.
3. LORD OF MINAS TIRITH: Ruler of protective building.
4. ELENDIL'S HEIR: Like Voldemort's claim to fame, except for the good guys.
5. NYWOE: White lady looks in the mirror.
6. NAZGUL: Didn't recognize #5.
7. OLIPHAUNT: Always tells the truth? No, that's not what it means...
8. RAMMAS ECHOR: Ram echo on Mars - with a bit of confusion all around.


Yay!

Denethor is the commander of the Minas Tirith forces, and technically remains so even when Imrahil and Gandalf take over. During the Battle of Pelennor fields specifically, he is notable in his absence as he was busy committing suicide. But his men continue to fight.


Over to Pervinca!

And I guess 'I never lie' is ambiguous - hence 'that's not what it means' for the Oliphaunt clue.

Nice password, G55!

[Pervinca Took]

1. Partially sighted and slightly confused librarian?
2. Try to spear the Ringbearer, would you?
3. Could be an epesse for Jaws, if Michael Caine said it? And I daresay he's fierce enough, at need.
4. He sounds like a candy bar with a different liquid inside, but proved brighter than a wise one expected.
5. Shire beverage on a winning streak, we hear? One of these creatures brewed it - but not this one.
6. Sounds like a Cockney hello. Well, it greets ...
very enthusiastically ....
7. Miss the start of the evening in France, and spin what remains to find him.

[Urwen]

7. Ori

[Pervinca Took]

1. Partially sighted and slightly confused librarian?
2. Try to spear the Ringbearer, would you?
3. Could be an epesse for Jaws, if Michael Caine said it? And I daresay he's fierce enough, at need.
4. He sounds like a candy bar with a different liquid inside, but proved brighter than a wise one expected.
5. Shire beverage on a winning streak, we hear? One of these creatures brewed it - but not this one.
6. Sounds like a Cockney hello. Well, it greets ...
very enthusiastically ....
ORI: Miss the start of the evening in France, and spin what remains to find him.

[Urwen]

1. Bilbo?

[Pervinca Took]

BILBO: Partially sighted and slightly confused librarian?
2. Try to spear the Ringbearer, would you?
3. Could be an epesse for Jaws, if Michael Caine said it? And I daresay he's fierce enough, at need.
4. He sounds like a candy bar with a different liquid inside, but proved brighter than a wise one expected.
5. Shire beverage on a winning streak, we hear? One of these creatures brewed it - but not this one.
6. Sounds like a Cockney hello. Well, it greets ...
very enthusiastically ....
ORI: Miss the start of the evening in France, and spin what remains to find him.

BIBLIO - I (eye).

[Urwen]

2. Something to do with Frodo?

[Pervinca Took]

2. Something to do with Frodo?

Not really. At least, not deliberately.

[Pervinca Took]

BILBO: Partially sighted and slightly confused librarian?
2. Try to spear the Ringbearer, would you?
3. Could be an epesse for Jaws, if Michael Caine said it? And I daresay he's fierce enough, at need.
4. He sounds like a candy bar with a different liquid inside, but proved brighter than a wise one expected.
5. Shire beverage on a winning streak, we hear? One of these creatures brewed it - but not this one.
6. Sounds like a Cockney hello. Well, it greets ...
very enthusiastically ....
ORI: Miss the start of the evening in France, and spin what remains to find him.

[Pervinca Took]

Not really. At least, not deliberately.

Oh, sorry. I thought you meant the theme. Well, that clue might be. ;)

[Galadriel55]

And I guess 'I never lie' is ambiguous - hence 'that's not what it means' for the Oliphaunt clue.

Nice password, G55!

Thank you! :) Yes, the "I never lie" is ambiguous out of context, and kinda sounds like the Oliphaunt is defending its honesty.



6. Watcher? [in the Water]?

[Pervinca Took]

BILBO: Partially sighted and slightly confused librarian?
2. Try to spear the Ringbearer, would you?
3. Could be an epesse for Jaws, if Michael Caine said it? And I daresay he's fierce enough, at need.
4. He sounds like a candy bar with a different liquid inside, but proved brighter than a wise one expected.
5. Shire beverage on a winning streak, we hear? One of these creatures brewed it - but not this one.
WATCHER (IN THE WATER): Sounds like a Cockney hello. Well, it greets ... very enthusiastically ....
ORI: Miss the start of the evening in France, and spin what remains to find him.

Wotcha, G55! And correct.

[Urwen]

Password: Book Two?

[Pervinca Took]

BILBO: Partially sighted and slightly confused librarian?
O: Try to spear the Ringbearer, would you?
O: Could be an epesse for Jaws, if Michael Caine said it? And I daresay he's fierce enough, at need.
K: He sounds like a candy bar with a different liquid inside, but proved brighter than a wise one expected.

T: Shire beverage on a winning streak, we hear? One of these creatures brewed it - but not this one.
WATCHER (IN THE WATER): Sounds like a Cockney hello. Well, it greets ... very enthusiastically ....
ORI: Miss the start of the evening in France, and spin what remains to find him.

[Huinesoron]

Wasn't it an ORC CHIEFTAIN who nearly made a Frodo kebab?

And is K CARAMAC... sorry, I mean KALIMAC?

hS

[Pervinca Took]

BILBO: Partially sighted and slightly confused librarian?
ORC-CHIEFTAIN: Try to spear the Ringbearer, would you?
O: Could be an epesse for Jaws, if Michael Caine said it? And I daresay he's fierce enough, at need.
KALIMAC: He sounds like a candy bar with a different liquid inside, but proved brighter than a wise one expected.

T: Shire beverage on a winning streak, we hear? One of these creatures brewed it - but not this one.
WATCHER (IN THE WATER): Sounds like a Cockney hello. Well, it greets ... very enthusiastically ....
ORI: Miss the start of the evening in France, and spin what remains to find him.

Indeed - and, in Book 2, Merry surprises Gandalf by being on the right lines about the 'riddle' or instructions on the Door of Moria.

Caramacs are candy bars, and L's and R's are classed as liquids.

[Huinesoron]

'Fierce enough, at need' is making me think of 'fierce as a dragon in a pinch', but that was Bilbo back in The Hobbit.

... OROPHIN, brother of Haldir? As in 'Horror Fin'?

hS

[Pervinca Took]

BILBO: Partially sighted and slightly confused librarian?
ORC-CHIEFTAIN: Try to spear the Ringbearer, would you?
OROPHIN: Could be an epesse for Jaws, if Michael Caine said it? And I daresay he's fierce enough, at need.
KALIMAC: He sounds like a candy bar with a different liquid inside, but proved brighter than a wise one expected.

T: Shire beverage on a winning streak, we hear? One of these creatures brewed it - but not this one.
WATCHER (IN THE WATER): Sounds like a Cockney hello. Well, it greets ... very enthusiastically ....
ORI: Miss the start of the evening in France, and spin what remains to find him.

'Orror-Fin, indeed. And I wouldn't dispute the fierceness of those Lorien archers.

One to go!

[Huinesoron]

Okay, what do you brew? Ale and tea. And it...

...

...

-_-

If the brew keeps winning, is it on a T(ea) ROLL? I wouldn't be at all surprised if one of the Hobbit trolls made tea, and there might well be one in Book Two. (There certainly is in the film, thank you Boromir.)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

BILBO: Partially sighted and slightly confused librarian?
ORC-CHIEFTAIN: Try to spear the Ringbearer, would you?
OROPHIN: Could be an epesse for Jaws, if Michael Caine said it? And I daresay he's fierce enough, at need.
KALIMAC: He sounds like a candy bar with a different liquid inside, but proved brighter than a wise one expected.

TROLL: Shire beverage on a winning streak, we hear? One of these creatures brewed it - but not this one.
WATCHER (IN THE WATER): Sounds like a Cockney hello. Well, it greets ... very enthusiastically ....
ORI: Miss the start of the evening in France, and spin what remains to find him.

There is a troll in Moria who gets Sting in his foot, and two others, I think, who lay slabs of stone for the Balrog to pass.

The one who makes the tea is the troll in 'Perry-The-Winkle.'

Over to Urwen!

[Urwen]

1. Note a masterless samurai, and spin it for her.
2. Note one that gnaws, twice, in disarray? He appears.
3. Turbulently, those who deny reveal her.
4. An estimate gains direction. A twist reveals him.
5. A german note precedes chaotic destruction for him.

[Pervinca Took]

5. Hurin. (H + ruin).

3. ERENDIS, from DENIERS.

[Urwen]

1. Note a masterless samurai, and spin it for her.
2. Note one that gnaws, twice, in disarray? He appears.
ERENDIS: Turbulently, those who deny reveal her.
4. An estimate gains direction. A twist reveals him.
HURIN: A german note precedes chaotic destruction for him.

[Pervinca Took]

Note one could be musical note plus A or I.

One that gnaws could be rat, dog, molar ....

'Twice in disarray' could mean add A or R.

Hmmmm.

Unless 'gnaws' refers to the 'cold hard lands tgat 'bites our hands' and 'gnaws our feet.' ;)

[Urwen]

what is the one who gnaws known as?

[Pervinca Took]

what is the one who gnaws known as?

Oh ... is it the troll who gnaws the bare old bone?

Or is it gnawer, or biter?

...

Agarwaen?

Gnawer + A (note) + A (occurs twice in 'disarray').

So 'disarray' serves two purposes in the clue.

[Urwen]

1. Note a masterless samurai, and spin it for her.
AGARWAEN: Note one that gnaws, twice, in disarray? He appears.
ERENDIS: Turbulently, those who deny reveal her.
4. An estimate gains direction. A twist reveals him.
HURIN: A german note precedes chaotic destruction for him.

[Urwen]

Only two are remaining...:(

[Pervinca Took]

I know. But I can't figure the password out, so there is nothing to make the clues any easier.

[Huinesoron]

A masterless samurai is a ronin, apparently (I knew there was a word, but had to look it up). By the letters that follow it, the answer can't start with a vowel, so...

#1 NIENOR? With E as the note.

An estimate could be a guess, which seems fairly easy to spot - how many characters have both a G and a U in their name? But I can't spot it in any of the lists I'm generating...

If the password is NAE_H, what could that last letter be? It can't be a vowel. C, T, or S would make English digraphs with the H, while D would also work in Sindarin.

... NAEDH for the password, the Sindarin word for 'wound' according to Eldamo (https://eldamo.org/content/words/word-1513424525.html) and Parma Eldalamberon. Though Aule only knows who that last answer could be. Deguss? Dugess? Dusseg? Probably not based on 'guess', at this point. ;)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Or NAETH?

(Woe).

[Urwen]

NIENOR: Note a masterless samurai, and spin it for her.
AGARWAEN: Note one that gnaws, twice, in disarray? He appears.
ERENDIS: Turbulently, those who deny reveal her.
T: An estimate gains direction. A twist reveals him.
HURIN: A german note precedes chaotic destruction for him.

[Urwen]

An estimate could be a guess, which seems fairly easy to spot - how many characters have both a G and a U in their name? But I can't spot it in any of the lists I'm generating...

hS


Well, there is Guilin. ;)

[Urwen]

This synonym for 'estimate' is usually used to designate whether movies are suitable for children viewing them or not.

[Pervinca Took]

Well, there is Guilin. ;)

And Gollum. :D (Wrong Age, though).

[Urwen]

For visibility sake:



This synonym for 'estimate' is usually used to designate whether movies are suitable for children viewing them or not.

[Pervinca Took]

Rating.

But I can't get a character from that with any directional letter. I tried NE, NW, SE and SW too.

[Pervinca Took]

Unless it's PG or R plus a directional *word* ...?

[Urwen]

Rating.

But I can't get a character from that with any directional letter. I tried NE, NW, SE and SW too.


You forgot the two other 'direction' letters, ie. R and L. ;)

[Urwen]

Also, I am using yet another 'obsolete' name for a character here, that's why you might be confused. I considered using Tar-Miriel, but decided against it because she didn't fit my 'woe' theme as accurately.

[Pervinca Took]

You forgot the two other 'direction' letters, ie. R and L. ;)

No, I tried RATING with R and L too. And looked at some TARs.

...

Was TARLING a rejected name?

[Urwen]

NIENOR: Note a masterless samurai, and spin it for her.
AGARWAEN: Note one that gnaws, twice, in disarray? He appears.
ERENDIS: Turbulently, those who deny reveal her.
TARGLIN: An estimate gains direction. A twist reveals him.
HURIN: A german note precedes chaotic destruction for him.


Over to you.

[Huinesoron]

And Gollum. :D (Wrong Age, though).

And I suppose Gollum doessss have the esssssessss, precioussss...

Was TARLING a rejected name?

While we wait for the next one, who is (was) Tarling? I love names I don't recognise!

hS

[Urwen]

While we wait for the next one, who is (was) Tarling? I love names I don't recognise!
hS


You don't want to know. Trust me. *looks at Huey awkwardly*

[Pervinca Took]

Alternatively, how about another password while we wait to hear about Tarling?

Also big kudos to Huey - I guessed it was an elvish word, but could not work it out until he found NIENOR and guessed NAEDH.

1. Most beautiful and beloved.
2. Troels gets mixed up with the horses? Well, it’s his job! We heard it in a song.
3. One of a quartet that we were bidden (in song) to give the right of way.
4. Deafening explosive reveals her in devastation.
5. Swamp where Ultravox have had a wee?
6. Anger is reversed? What a fuss on the way here, though!
7. Showboat time? Sing! But trade a flower for a tree to reveal him.
8. Two negatives: one French, one English, mingle circularly.
9. A Latin queen, initially? Add mixed stock to reveal him.

[Urwen]

Let me see if I can guess the password without any letters provided. :D

Password: Book three :smokin:

[Urwen]

Also, I just remembered it was TARGLIN, not TARLING. *laughs at her own blunder*

[Pervinca Took]

Let me see if I can guess the password without any letters provided. :D

Password: Book three :smokin:

Nope. :p

[Pervinca Took]

1. Most beautiful and beloved.
2. Troels gets mixed up with the horses? Well, it’s his job! We heard it in a song.
3. One of a quartet that we were bidden (in song) to give the right of way.
4. Deafening explosive reveals her in devastation.
5. Swamp where Ultravox have had a wee?
6. Anger is reversed? What a fuss on the way here, though!
7. Showboat time? Sing! But trade a flower for a tree to reveal him.
8. Two negatives: one French, one English, mingle circularly.
9. A Latin queen, initially? Add mixed stock to reveal him.

[Urwen]

6. Eriador (IRE backwards + ROAD anagrammed)

[Urwen]

9. Erestor (RE+STORE)

[Pervinca Took]

1. Most beautiful and beloved.
2. Troels gets mixed up with the horses? Well, it’s his job! We heard it in a song.
3. One of a quartet that we were bidden (in song) to give the right of way.
4. Deafening explosive reveals her in devastation.
5. Swamp where Ultravox have had a wee?
ERIADOR: Anger is reversed? What a fuss on the way here, though!
7. Showboat time? Sing! But trade a flower for a tree to reveal him.
8. Two negatives: one French, one English, mingle circularly.
ERESTOR: A Latin queen, initially? Add mixed stock to reveal him.

Correct end results, but it's

ERI (IRE) + ADO + R

and E(lizabeth) R(egina) (as seen on most of the UK's post boxes) + STORE.

[Urwen]

Does #1 include synonyms?

[Urwen]

#1: Arwen?

[Pervinca Took]

No and no.

Or rather:

Sort of and sort of.

[Urwen]

#1: Vanimelde? (Elvish cognate of 'most beautiful' and 'beloved')

[Pervinca Took]

VANIMELDA: Most beautiful and beloved.
2. Troels gets mixed up with the horses? Well, it’s his job! We heard it in a song.
3. One of a quartet that we were bidden (in song) to give the right of way.
4. Deafening explosive reveals her in devastation.
5. Swamp where Ultravox have had a wee?
ERIADOR: Anger is reversed? What a fuss on the way here, though!
7. Showboat time? Sing! But trade a flower for a tree to reveal him.
8. Two negatives: one French, one English, mingle circularly.
ERESTOR: A Latin queen, initially? Add mixed stock to reveal him.

[Urwen]

5. Midgewater Marshes (where Midge watered?)

[Pervinca Took]

VANIMELDA: Most beautiful and beloved.
2. Troels gets mixed up with the horses? Well, it’s his job! We heard it in a song.
3. One of a quartet that we were bidden (in song) to give the right of way.
4. Deafening explosive reveals her in devastation.
MIDGEWATER MARSHES: Swamp where Ultravox have had a wee?
ERIADOR: Anger is reversed? What a fuss on the way here, though!
7. Showboat time? Sing! But trade a flower for a tree to reveal him.
8. Two negatives: one French, one English, mingle circularly.
ERESTOR: A Latin queen, initially? Add mixed stock to reveal him.

[Urwen]

I can only see 'Vanimelde' as the password. As in Tar-Vanimelde? :confused:

[Pervinca Took]

Afraid not.

[Urwen]

7. Old Man Willow (Old Man River - River + Willow)

[Urwen]

8. Nienor (RIEN+NO)

[Urwen]

Password: Volume one?

[Pervinca Took]

VANIMELDA: Most beautiful and beloved.
O: Troels gets mixed up with the horses? Well, it’s his job! We heard it in a song.
L: One of a quartet that we were bidden (in song) to give the right of way.
U: Deafening explosive reveals her in devastation.
MIDGEWATER MARSHES: Swamp where Ultravox have had a wee?
ERIADOR: Anger is reversed? What a fuss on the way here, though!

OLD MAN WILLOW: Showboat time? Sing! But trade a flower for a tree to reveal him.
N: Two negatives: one French, one English, mingle circularly.
ERESTOR: A Latin queen, initially? Add mixed stock to reveal him.

No Nienor in FOTR, of course. ;) But nice thinking.

It was uncanny how Vanimelde fit perfectly at one point. I'd certainly never thought of it for the password, and was surprised by it as a guess for that.

[Urwen]

There is no female with an initial U in FOTR either.

[Pervinca Took]

There is no female with an initial U in FOTR either.

Oooooohhhhhhh yes there is.

[Urwen]

Then find one here. (http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Category:Characters_in_The_Lord_of_the_Rings)

[Urwen]

Unless you mean Undomiel, but there is Vanimelda already.

[Urwen]

Also, can't find L either, and googling 'give the right of way song lyrics' yields nothing either.

[Pervinca Took]

Unless you mean Undomiel, but there is Vanimelda already.

So? Vanimelda is a particular address used by Aragorn in Lorien. It's something that happens/a word that is used in Volume 3.

Undomiel is correct, but work out the elements. Then I'll put it in.

Undomiel refers to the scene where Frodo sees her for the first time, under a canopy at the feast.

As for L, reread and rethink the clue.

[Urwen]

One of the quartet implies one of the hobbits.....

[Pervinca Took]

Not one of the hobbits. The answer is in a song.

[Urwen]

How stupid I was.

Undomiel = LOUD+MINE

[Urwen]

Not one of the hobbits. The answer is in a song.


A real-life one or a Tolkien one?

[Pervinca Took]

A Tolkien one. And my words are a paraphrase, which is why a Google Search wouldn't find them.

[Urwen]

"Tree and flower and leaf and grass
Let them pass, let them pass."

3. Leaf?

[Pervinca Took]

VANIMELDA: Most beautiful and beloved.
O: Troels gets mixed up with the horses? Well, it’s his job! We heard it in a song.
LEAF: One of a quartet that we were bidden (in song) to give the right of way.
UNDOMIEL: Deafening explosive reveals her in devastation.
MIDGEWATER MARSHES: Swamp where Ultravox have had a wee?
ERIADOR: Anger is reversed? What a fuss on the way here, though!

OLD MAN WILLOW: Showboat time? Sing! But trade a flower for a tree to reveal him.
N: Two negatives: one French, one English, mingle circularly.
ERESTOR: A Latin queen, initially? Add mixed stock to reveal him.

Two to go!

[Urwen]

I only found Troels Skovgaard

[Pervinca Took]

Troels is a Danish name, but you don't have to look for any particular Troels.

[Urwen]

Assuming that O isn't the first letter, Bob?

[Pervinca Took]

O is the first letter.

It's a bit like the LEAF clue.

[Urwen]

Ostler (anagram of TROELS and caretaker of horses). From the 'Man in the Moon' song.

[Pervinca Took]

VANIMELDA: Most beautiful and beloved.
OSTLER: Troels gets mixed up with the horses? Well, it’s his job! We heard it in a song.
LEAF: One of a quartet that we were bidden (in song) to give the right of way.
UNDOMIEL: Deafening explosive reveals her in devastation.
MIDGEWATER MARSHES: Swamp where Ultravox have had a wee?
ERIADOR: Anger is reversed? What a fuss on the way here, though!

OLD MAN WILLOW: Showboat time? Sing! But trade a flower for a tree to reveal him.
N: Two negatives: one French, one English, mingle circularly.
ERESTOR: A Latin queen, initially? Add mixed stock to reveal him.

One to go.

[Urwen]

Is the N one a person or a thing or a language or something? It isn't specified....

[Pervinca Took]

It is. Or at least, it's hinted.

Ask yourself why there seem to be two anagram indicators.

[Urwen]

Nenya? (NE for French negative and ANY for english negative)

[Pervinca Took]

VANIMELDA: Most beautiful and beloved.
OSTLER: Troels gets mixed up with the horses? Well, it’s his job! We heard it in a song.
LEAF: One of a quartet that we were bidden (in song) to give the right of way.
UNDOMIEL: Deafening explosive reveals her in devastation.
MIDGEWATER MARSHES: Swamp where Ultravox have had a wee?
ERIADOR: Anger is reversed? What a fuss on the way here, though!

OLD MAN WILLOW: Showboat time? Sing! But trade a flower for a tree to reveal him.
NENYA: Two negatives: one French, one English, mingle circularly.
ERESTOR: A Latin queen, initially? Add mixed stock to reveal him.

Well, not *quite* precisely. It's NE + NAY. But perhaps I should have said 'slightly archaic English.' Although we still say it in Yorkshire, (together with thee and thou!) :D

Over to you! :)

[Urwen]

Will put one up as soon as I decide what to use for my theme.

[Urwen]

Sorry for lateness. Here it is:

1. Muddled garb for him.
2. A hearing organ and a confused female horse mingle for this.
3. A boy and an endless bloomer join here.
4. A confused flower and a returned fib mingle for her.
5. Here, muddled wrath goes two ways.
6. A confused dwarf finds a way. For him.
7. Here, jumbled country has a vowel shift.
8. Here, a silent plosive is within a confused dog.
9. Stupid inn is here.

[Pervinca Took]

Is 2 EOMER, (a soundalike for EAR MARE?)

[Urwen]

If it were Eomer, I would have said 'for him', not 'for this'. I am sure he'd be thrilled to hear that you called him an object, though.

[Pervinca Took]

Easy to misread things when you have a lot on your mind.

[Pervinca Took]

3. Ladros

(lad + ros(e)).

[Urwen]

1. Muddled garb for him.
2. A hearing organ and a confused female horse mingle for this.
LADROS: A boy and an endless bloomer join here.
4. A confused flower and a returned fib mingle for her.
5. Here, muddled wrath goes two ways.
6. A confused dwarf finds a way. For him.
7. Here, jumbled country has a vowel shift.
8. Here, a silent plosive is within a confused dog.
9. Stupid inn is here.

[Galadriel55]

1. Beor, from robe?

[Urwen]

BEOR: Muddled garb for him.
2. A hearing organ and a confused female horse mingle for this.
LADROS: A boy and an endless bloomer join here.
4. A confused flower and a returned fib mingle for her.
5. Here, muddled wrath goes two ways.
6. A confused dwarf finds a way. For him.
7. Here, jumbled country has a vowel shift.
8. Here, a silent plosive is within a confused dog.
9. Stupid inn is here.

[Pervinca Took]

Beleriand? (Password).

G55, I was trying to scramble 'raiment!'

4. EILINEL (LIE + NILE).

[Urwen]

BEOR: Muddled garb for him.
E: A hearing organ and a confused female horse mingle for this.
LADROS: A boy and an endless bloomer join here.
EILINEL: A confused flower and a returned fib mingle for her.
R: Here, muddled wrath goes two ways.
I: A confused dwarf finds a way. For him.
A: Here, jumbled country has a vowel shift.
N: Here, a silent plosive is within a confused dog.
D: Stupid inn is here.

[Pervinca Took]

D = Dimbar.

Dim + bar.

[Urwen]

BEOR: Muddled garb for him.
E: A hearing organ and a confused female horse mingle for this.
LADROS: A boy and an endless bloomer join here.
EILINEL: A confused flower and a returned fib mingle for her.
R: Here, muddled wrath goes two ways.
I: A confused dwarf finds a way. For him.
A: Here, jumbled country has a vowel shift.
N: Here, a silent plosive is within a confused dog.
DIMBAR: Stupid inn is here.

[Pervinca Took]

INDOR, father of Aerin.

DORI + N.

[Pervinca Took]

R = RERIR?

IRE + R x 2?

[Urwen]

BEOR: Muddled garb for him.
E: A hearing organ and a confused female horse mingle for this.
LADROS: A boy and an endless bloomer join here.
EILINEL: A confused flower and a returned fib mingle for her.
RERIR: Here, muddled wrath goes two ways.
INDOR: A confused dwarf finds a way. For him.
A: Here, jumbled country has a vowel shift.
N: Here, a silent plosive is within a confused dog.
DIMBAR: Stupid inn is here.

[Galadriel55]

Following Pervinca's guess about ears and mares, Earrame?

[Urwen]

BEOR: Muddled garb for him.
EARRAME: A hearing organ and a confused female horse mingle for this.
LADROS: A boy and an endless bloomer join here.
EILINEL: A confused flower and a returned fib mingle for her.
RERIR: Here, muddled wrath goes two ways.
INDOR: A confused dwarf finds a way. For him.
A: Here, jumbled country has a vowel shift.
N: Here, a silent plosive is within a confused dog.
DIMBAR: Stupid inn is here.

[Pervinca Took]

ANACH, from CHINA?

[Urwen]

BEOR: Muddled garb for him.
EARRAME: A hearing organ and a confused female horse mingle for this.
LADROS: A boy and an endless bloomer join here.
EILINEL: A confused flower and a returned fib mingle for her.
RERIR: Here, muddled wrath goes two ways.
INDOR: A confused dwarf finds a way. For him.
ANACH: Here, jumbled country has a vowel shift.
N: Here, a silent plosive is within a confused dog.
DIMBAR: Stupid inn is here.

[Pervinca Took]

NUATH.

T within Huan.

[Urwen]

BEOR: Muddled garb for him.
EARRAME: A hearing organ and a confused female horse mingle for this.
LADROS: A boy and an endless bloomer join here.
EILINEL: A confused flower and a returned fib mingle for her.
RERIR: Here, muddled wrath goes two ways.
INDOR: A confused dwarf finds a way. For him.
ANACH: Here, jumbled country has a vowel shift.
NUATH: Here, a silent plosive is within a confused dog.
DIMBAR: Stupid inn is here.


Over to you. :D

[Pervinca Took]

Nice password, Urwen. Beleriand is one of Tolkien's nicest place names, I think.

1. Expeditious ray? He's quite translated!
2. Between the eagle and the hart? O sing!
3. Beloved tree.
4. It's all the Uruk-Hai think about!
5. Ventilating equipment disappeared, we hear? Another who's quite translated.
6. Luxuriant soul! Through chaos, see him.
7. Grishnakh's Nemesis (although why is anyone's guess).
8. Sorrow returns. Ask why. November begins. And there she stands.
9. A company who knows how to address a stag? After a fashion, and with (perhaps) a tone of regret?

[Urwen]

8. Eowyn (WOE backwards + Y + N)

[Pervinca Took]

1. Expeditious ray? He's quite translated!
2. Between the eagle and the hart? O sing!
3. Beloved tree.
4. It's all the Uruk-Hai think about!
5. Ventilating equipment disappeared, we hear? Another who's quite translated.
6. Luxuriant soul! Through chaos, see him.
7. Grishnakh's Nemesis (although why is anyone's guess).
EOWYN: Sorrow returns. Ask why. November begins. And there she stands.
9. A company who knows how to address a stag? After a fashion, and with (perhaps) a tone of regret?

[Urwen]

Password: Book Three?

[Pervinca Took]

B: Expeditious ray? He's quite translated!
O: Between the eagle and the hart? O sing!
OROFARNE: Beloved tree.
K: It's all the Uruk-Hai think about!

T: Ventilating equipment disappeared, we hear? Another who's quite translated.
H: Luxuriant soul! Through chaos, see him.
R: Grishnakh's Nemesis (although why is anyone's guess).
EOWYN: Sorrow returns. Ask why. November begins. And there she stands.
E: A company who knows how to address a stag? After a fashion, and with (perhaps) a tone of regret?

[Urwen]

3. Orofarne?

[Pervinca Took]

See above.

[Urwen]

9. Eored (from O DEER)

[Pervinca Took]

B: Expeditious ray? He's quite translated!
O: Between the eagle and the hart? O sing!
OROFARNE: Beloved tree.
K: It's all the Uruk-Hai think about!

T: Ventilating equipment disappeared, we hear? Another who's quite translated.
H: Luxuriant soul! Through chaos, see him.
R: Grishnakh's Nemesis (although why is anyone's guess).
EOWYN: Sorrow returns. Ask why. November begins. And there she stands.
EORED: A company who knows how to address a stag? After a fashion, and with (perhaps) a tone of regret?

Which with a tone (sound) could also double as the regretful 'Oh dear!'

[Urwen]

5. Treebeard (aka Fangorn, which sounds like 'FAN GONE')

[Pervinca Took]

B: Expeditious ray? He's quite translated!
O: Between the eagle and the hart? O sing!
OROFARNE: Beloved tree.
K: It's all the Uruk-Hai think about!

TREEBEARD: Ventilating equipment disappeared, we hear? Another who's quite translated.
H: Luxuriant soul! Through chaos, see him.
R: Grishnakh's Nemesis (although why is anyone's guess).
EOWYN: Sorrow returns. Ask why. November begins. And there she stands.
EORED: A company who knows how to address a stag? After a fashion, and with (perhaps) a tone of regret?

The pesky FAN is GORN, indeed. :D

[Urwen]

1 would be Bregalad (QUICK+BEAM)

[Urwen]

And 4 would be Killing.

[Pervinca Took]

BREGALAD: Expeditious ray? He's quite translated!
O: Between the eagle and the hart? O sing!
OROFARNE: Beloved tree.
KILLING: It's all the Uruk-Hai think about!

TREEBEARD: Ventilating equipment disappeared, we hear? Another who's quite translated.
H: Luxuriant soul! Through chaos, see him.
R: Grishnakh's Nemesis (although why is anyone's guess).
EOWYN: Sorrow returns. Ask why. November begins. And there she stands.
EORED: A company who knows how to address a stag? After a fashion, and with (perhaps) a tone of regret?

[Urwen]

6. Hasufel (Lush + Fea)

[Urwen]

For 7, is it some variation of 'ORC FOE'? Because I can't seem to find anything....

[Urwen]

And 2 is OX.

[Pervinca Took]

BREGALAD: Expeditious ray? He's quite translated!
OX: Between the eagle and the hart? O sing!
OROFARNE: Beloved tree.
KILLING: It's all the Uruk-Hai think about!

TREEBEARD: Ventilating equipment disappeared, we hear? Another who's quite translated.
HASUFEL: Luxuriant soul! Through chaos, see him.
R: Grishnakh's Nemesis (although why is anyone's guess).
EOWYN: Sorrow returns. Ask why. November begins. And there she stands.
EORED: A company who knows how to address a stag? After a fashion, and with (perhaps) a tone of regret?

For R, the answer is what led Grishnakh to his death, not what 'finally' caused it.

Yes, OX, from Treebeard's Lore of Living Creatures.

[Urwen]

7. Ring

[Pervinca Took]

BREGALAD: Expeditious ray? He's quite translated!
OX: Between the eagle and the hart? O sing!
OROFARNE: Beloved tree.
KILLING: It's all the Uruk-Hai think about!

TREEBEARD: Ventilating equipment disappeared, we hear? Another who's quite translated.
HASUFEL: Luxuriant soul! Through chaos, see him.
RINGLUST: Grishnakh's Nemesis (although why is anyone's guess).
EOWYN: Sorrow returns. Ask why. November begins. And there she stands.
EORED: A company who knows how to address a stag? After a fashion, and with (perhaps) a tone of regret?

It's RINGLUST, but you can have it.

Over to you.

[Urwen]

This next one is inspired by you. The password, limerick edition.

1. A mariner's food
2. I do not lie, for I am good
3. A dark path I travel, but I'll come through
4. I stayed up too late, did you know
5. The journey o'er the flowing sea us did include.


Warning: I am not liable for frustrations that may happen because of this puzzle.

[Pervinca Took]

4. The Man in the Moon?

5. Ringbearers?

[Urwen]

1. A mariner's food
2. I do not lie, for I am good
3. A dark path I travel, but I'll come through
MAN IN THE MOON: I stayed up too late, did you know
5. The journey o'er the flowing sea us did include.

No to Ringbearers.

[Galadriel55]

2. Oliphaunt?

POEMS for password?

[Pervinca Took]

1. Porridge?

5. Tall ships and tall kings?

3. Earendil, perhaps?

[Urwen]

PORRIDGE: A mariner's food
OLIPHAUNT: I do not lie, for I am good
E: A dark path I travel, but I'll come through
MAN IN THE MOON: I stayed up too late, did you know
S: The journey o'er the flowing sea us did include.

No to Earendil.

[Urwen]

5. Tall ships and tall kings?


Right one there, but look at all the verses of that one. ;)

[Pervinca Took]

Stars or stones, I guess?

It's nice to have a password based on the songs. I've wanted to do one, but couldn't think how to make it work.

I have done two in rhyming couplets, though.

[Pervinca Took]

And is E EOMER, from 'Out of dark, out of doubt, to the day's rising' or something similar?

[Urwen]

PORRIDGE: A mariner's food
OLIPHAUNT: I do not lie, for I am good
E: A dark path I travel, but I'll come through
MAN IN THE MOON: I stayed up too late, did you know
STARS: The journey o'er the flowing sea us did include.

No to Eomer either. There is a reason I've written 'dark path'. It's a named path. Or paths.

[Pervinca Took]

ELESSAR - the rhyme Galadriel sent to him about the Paths of the Dead?

[Urwen]

PORRIDGE: A mariner's food
OLIPHAUNT: I do not lie, for I am good
ELESSAR: A dark path I travel, but I'll come through
MAN IN THE MOON: I stayed up too late, did you know
STARS: The journey o'er the flowing sea us did include.

Over to G55.

[Galadriel55]

Certainly not as creative, but inspired by the rhyming scheme.



1. A set sun to guard against foes
2. A dog and a sharp mind that knows
3. One windy mountain
4. East of shadow a fountain
5. And backwards the true darkness goes


Enjoy!
(Also a friendly reminder that if you are expecting a PM please make sure there is space in your inbox :))

[Pervinca Took]

1. Minas Anor?

[Huinesoron]

2. ORTHANC, with the translations of Mount Fang (a Very Good Boy) and the Cunning Mind?

hS

[Galadriel55]

1. Minas Anor?

Not quite, but have the correct place.


1. A set sun to guard against foes
2. ORTHANC: A dog and a sharp mind that knows
3. One windy mountain
4. East of shadow a fountain
5. And backwards the true darkness goes

[Pervinca Took]

Possibly Moria for the password?

[Pervinca Took]

1. Minas Tirith, or Mundburg?

[Galadriel55]

1. TIRITH: A set sun to guard against foes
2. ORTHANC: A dog and a sharp mind that knows
3. One windy mountain
4. East of shadow a fountain
5. And backwards the true darkness goes


Not Moria.

[Pervinca Took]

TOWER for the password?

Would 5 be Barad-Dur?

[Galadriel55]

Correct!


1. TIRITH: A set sun to guard against foes
2. ORTHANC: A dog and a sharp mind that knows
3. W One windy mountain
4. E East of shadow a fountain
5. RUD-DARAB: And backwards the true darkness goes

[Huinesoron]

3. Weathertop?

[Pervinca Took]

4. (Fornost) Erain?

(E + RAIN).

[Galadriel55]

Yes to Weathertop, no to Fornost Erain. The last clue is a bit different from the rest. I was not trying to group the towers by book or era or geography on purpose, but it just so happened that this one stands out alone.

1. TIRITH: A set sun to guard against foes
2. ORTHANC: A dog and a sharp mind that knows
3. WEATHERTOP: One windy mountain
4. E East of shadow a fountain
5. RUD-DARAB: And backwards the true darkness goes

[Pervinca Took]

Elostirion? ... but no fountain.

[Galadriel55]

Elostirion? ... but no fountain.

No...

But I do believe that it will show up on Enc of Arda if you search the word tower - certainly if you search its Elvish variant.

[Huinesoron]

No...

But I do believe that it will show up on Enc of Arda if you search the word tower - certainly if you search its Elvish variant.

Darn, I was wondering if it was a sneaky ECTHELION, for both the tower and the Lord of the Fountain.

hS

[Urwen]

Eldalieva?

[Galadriel55]

Eldalieva?

No. What is that? I don't even remember that one.

Ecthelion would have been more creative than I had the energy for. I wish I thought of that.

To aid your search, look in Beleriand.

[Urwen]

I have, and I can't find any tower there beginning with E.

[Pervinca Took]

Mindon Eldalieva was built on Tirion upon Tuna, by Ingwe.

[Galadriel55]

Mindon Eldalieva was built on Tirion upon Tuna, by Ingwe.

Thanks!


So I checked. Enc of Arda does not pop it up with a search for tower, but it does pop it out if you look for the Elvish term.

Urwen, it might help you to go systematically, because there very much is a tower that fits the clue. You know it's east of shadow and is related to a fountain.

[Urwen]

Elvish term for tower is mindon, and if you search that, Mindon Eldalieva is all you get.

[Urwen]

Never mind, found it.

Eithel.

Thanks, map of Beleriand.

[Galadriel55]

Yay! Another word for tower is barad, which would have lead you straight there. East of Ered Wethrin, near the Well of Sirion

1. TIRITH: A set sun to guard against foes
2. ORTHANC: A dog and a sharp mind that knows
3. WEATHERTOP: One windy mountain
4. EITHEL: East of shadow a fountain
5. RUD-DARAB: And backwards the true darkness goes


Over to Pervinca!

[Pervinca Took]

Ah, yes - found the meaning 'well, spring' in a footnote (was searching for the 'fountain' reference).

Good password!

Here we go again:

1. In German, I believe we will find him, if we lose a revolutionary leader, grasp the way and spin.
2. Dwarf gains a thousand for him, despite the turmoil.
3. Fair disgruntled, she is, and a little discombobulated too!
4. Well may you do this, in great perturbation, in his halls.
5. A confused astronomer will lead you to him.
6. See him where a muddled murderer meets a burning sphere returning.
7. Note fea in great trouble for him.
8. An evil look meets a little woman. She shakes it up.
9. For him, a ford and an eighties singer each lose direction, and meet.

[Galadriel55]

1. Google translate says I believe is Ich glaube.
ICH GLAUBE - CHE = IGLAUB. + R and spin = BAUGLIR.

[Galadriel55]

6. Incanus = cain + sun

[Galadriel55]

Don't tell me the password is Book Eight. :p

[Pervinca Took]

BAUGLIR: In German, I believe we will find him, if we lose a revolutionary leader, grasp the way and spin.
2. Dwarf gains a thousand for him, despite the turmoil.
3. Fair disgruntled, she is, and a little discombobulated too!
4. Well may you do this, in great perturbation, in his halls.
5. A confused astronomer will lead you to him.
INCANUS: See him where a muddled murderer meets a burning sphere returning.
7. Note fea in great trouble for him.
8. An evil look meets a little woman. She shakes it up.
9. For him, a ford and an eighties singer each lose direction, and meet.

Well done! I thought that was possibly the hardest of the nine clues.

EDIT: Just seen your response to clue 6.

[Galadriel55]

Well done! I thought that was possibly the hardest of the nine clues.

EDIT: Just seen your response to clue 6.

Thanks! But is the password Book Eight? ;)

[Pervinca Took]

No. There isn't a Book Eight! ;)

Unless you know of one in the fanfic universe, of course. :D

[Galadriel55]

No. There isn't a Book Eight!

Unless you know of one in the fanfic universe, of course. :D

Thankfully! We actually have to find letters and not just fit the right number! :p

(Also, I clearly lost track of the book numbers. :o)

[Urwen]

It can't be that, because Bauglir isn't in LOTR, as far as I am aware.

[Pervinca Took]

Thankfully! We actually have to find letters and not just fit the right number! :p

(Also, I clearly lost track of the book numbers. :o)

Thankfully? I'd read 2 more books of LOTR, provided they contained lots of Frodo and more elves. :)

[Huinesoron]

Aha! For #4, would you moan in NAMO's Halls?

For #8, I'm very pleased that Little Women only has four names on the cover... I'm not sure ELBERETH would be too keen on being associated with 'BETH LEER', but there we are. ^_~

As for 'Book Eight'... obviously the best Book Eight, and Book Seven for that matter, would be just the Epilogue (http://faculty.smu.edu/bwheeler/tolkien/online_reader/TolkienEpilogue.pdf) write large, with Sam telling endless stories to his kids, and the kids being appallingly charming.

Elanor stood up, and passed her hand lightly through Sam's curling brown hair, already flecked with grey. "Good night, Sam-dad. But."

"I don't want good night but," said Sam.

"But won't you show it me first? I was going to say."

"Show you what, dear?"

"The King's letter, of course. You have had it now more than a week."

Sam sat up. "Good gracious!" he said. "How stories do repeat themselves! And you get paid back in your own coin and all. How we spied on poor Mr. Frodo! And now our own spy on us, meaning no more harm than we did, I hope."

The stars were shining in a clear dark sky. It was the second day of the bright and cloudless spell that came every year to the Shire towards the end of March, and was every year welcomed and praised as something surprising for the season. All the children were now in bed. It was late, but here and there lights were still glimmering in Hobbiton, and in houses dotted about the night-folded countryside.

Master Samwise stood at the door and looked away eastward. He drew Mistress Rose to him, and set his arm about her.

"March the twenty-fifth!" he said. "This day seventeen years ago, Rose wife. I didn't think I should ever see thee again. But I kept on hoping."

"I never hoped at all, Sam," she said, "not until that very day; and then suddenly I did. About noon, it was, and I felt so glad that I began singing. And mother said: 'Quiet, lass! There's ruffians about.' And I said: 'Let them come! Their time will soon be over. Sam's coming back.' And you came."

"I did," said Sam. "To the most belovedest place in all the world. To my Rose and my garden."

They went in, and Sam shut the door. But even as he did so, he heard suddenly, deep and unstilled, the sigh and murmur of the Sea upon the shores of Middle-earth.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

BAUGLIR: In German, I believe we will find him, if we lose a revolutionary leader, grasp the way and spin.
2. Dwarf gains a thousand for him, despite the turmoil.
3. Fair disgruntled, she is, and a little discombobulated too!
NAMO: Well may you do this, in great perturbation, in his halls.
5. A confused astronomer will lead you to him.
INCANUS: See him where a muddled murderer meets a burning sphere returning.
7. Note fea in great trouble for him.
ELBERETH: An evil look meets a little woman. She shakes it up.
9. For him, a ford and an eighties singer each lose direction, and meet.

Indeed - and 'a little woman' can also be read in two ways, because Beth is also a 'little' version of Elizabeth. (Beth March herself is 'in full' Elizabeth March, and I think one of L M Alcott's sisters was an (Eliza)beth too. The one Beth is based on, I believe).

[Huinesoron]

Indeed - and 'a little woman' can also be read in two ways, because Beth is also a 'little' version of Elizabeth. (Beth March herself is 'in full' Elizabeth March, and I think one of L M Alcott's sisters was an (Eliza)beth too. The one Beth is based on, I believe).

Now that's a lovely double-barrelled clue that I completely missed. ^_^

#2: given that it has to start with a vowel (there's no B- consonant clusters I can think of!), and will contain an M (hello, Romans!), there's only so many options... Ori + M = IRMO Lorien, to get both of the Feanturi in there.

... ah, and is #7 SULIMO, from SOUL + MI?

...

The password isn't BIGNOISES, is it? Referring to the role of all these Ainur in the Song?

If so, that would probably make #9 SARUMAN, from SARn Ford and... someone.

hS

[Urwen]

2. Irmo (Ori+M)

[Pervinca Took]

BAUGLIR: In German, I believe we will find him, if we lose a revolutionary leader, grasp the way and spin.
IRMO: Dwarf gains a thousand for him, despite the turmoil.
G: Fair disgruntled, she is, and a little discombobulated too!

NAMO: Well may you do this, in great perturbation, in his halls.
O: A confused astronomer will lead you to him.
INCANUS: See him where a muddled murderer meets a burning sphere returning.
SULIMO: Note fea in great trouble for him.
ELBERETH: An evil look meets a little woman. She shakes it up.
SARUMAN: For him, a ford and an eighties singer each lose direction, and meet.

The singer is Gary NUMAN, very big in the 80s and known for using lots of electronic sounds. I did think of mentioning that he and SARN lose the *same* direction. But it flowed better without.

It IS 'BIG NOISES,' but not because of the Music of the Ainur, (I didn't think of that). It's simply because a 'big noise' is slang for a person with a lot of power/authority/influence.

P.S. It WAS a vowel you needed, as it happens, but you forgot the consonant clusters BR and BL! ;)

This is the Gary Numan song I remember most clearly:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Im3JzxlatUs

(Are YouTube links allowed?)

[Huinesoron]

P.S. It WAS a vowel you needed, as it happens, but you forgot the consonant clusters BR and BL! ;)

Utter blather; you must think I have no brain at all to claim such nonsensical clusters exist! (Or did you just bring your bluster?)

Aaaaanyway, is G GILTHONIEL? 'Gilt' can mean fair, and, um... 'honiel' is an anagram of 'helion', which could be a variant of 'hellion' = rowdy person, which is kind of like disgruntled? I dunno, I only had the first half. :)

Then again, Varda already made one appearance, so it's probably not her anyway.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Not Gilthoniel. A big clue would be to say that this clue is the reason 'Big Noises' does not refer to the Music of the Ainur. (Well, one of the reasons. The main reason is that I never thought of it, as I said before).

[Urwen]

3. Galadriel (GALA+RILED) - Fair as in a festival, rather than a quality.

[Pervinca Took]

BAUGLIR: In German, I believe we will find him, if we lose a revolutionary leader, grasp the way and spin.
IRMO: Dwarf gains a thousand for him, despite the turmoil.
GALADRIEL: Fair disgruntled, she is, and a little discombobulated too!

NAMO: Well may you do this, in great perturbation, in his halls.
O: A confused astronomer will lead you to him.
INCANUS: See him where a muddled murderer meets a burning sphere returning.
SULIMO: Note fea in great trouble for him.
ELBERETH: An evil look meets a little woman. She shakes it up.
SARUMAN: For him, a ford and an eighties singer each lose direction, and meet.

Absolutely correct! :)

And just so that it's fair, the amateur astronomer you're looking for was very famous in Britain, but perhaps not outside Britain.

[Urwen]

So Orome (from Moore).

[Pervinca Took]

BAUGLIR: In German, I believe we will find him, if we lose a revolutionary leader, grasp the way and spin.
IRMO: Dwarf gains a thousand for him, despite the turmoil.
GALADRIEL: Fair disgruntled, she is, and a little discombobulated too!

NAMO: Well may you do this, in great perturbation, in his halls.
OROME: A confused astronomer will lead you to him.
INCANUS: See him where a muddled murderer meets a burning sphere returning.
SULIMO: Note fea in great trouble for him.
ELBERETH: An evil look meets a little woman. She shakes it up.
SARUMAN: For him, a ford and an eighties singer each lose direction, and meet.

Indeed. Amateur astronomer and xylophonist Patrick Moore, of 'The Sky At Night.'

Over to Huinesoron!

[Huinesoron]

Oh, Patrick Moore! Good catch, Urwen. And great password, Pervinca.

1. - A Proudfoot, vacant but cut short by one and a bit, is wealthy.
2. - I hear you run before a herb, copper.
3. - A beast beyond the circle? I'm uncertain it's inscribed.
4. - Lend one ear to the shortest war, briefly and back, with a signet.
5. - Love lace and flatfish? Like a ring!
6. - A peaceful station in a flipped garland is a jewel.
7. - Race a saint indefinitely for a green jewel.
8. - A venerated elver - her, English? Heavy metal.
9. - Gee, Eastwood's topped and tailed (duh, you hear me?), but he's dark and tough.
10. - A title worn.
11. - He' not greater, but gifted.
12. - Listen: a pirate girl be backwards around silver.
13. - Between Béma and Glorfindel is gold.

One warning: there are straight clues in all of the hints, but don't interpret them too strictly.

hS

[Urwen]

11. Elessar (LESSER)

[Urwen]

13. Maglor

[Huinesoron]

1. - A Proudfoot, vacant but cut short by one and a bit, is wealthy.
2. - I hear you run before a herb, copper.
3. - A beast beyond the circle? I'm uncertain it's inscribed.
4. - Lend one ear to the shortest war, briefly and back, with a signet.
5. - Love lace and flatfish? Like a ring!
6. - A peaceful station in a flipped garland is a jewel.
7. - Race a saint indefinitely for a green jewel.
8. - A venerated elver - her, English? Heavy metal.
9. - Gee, Eastwood's topped and tailed (duh, you hear me?), but he's dark and tough.
10. - A title worn.
ELESSAR - He' not greater, but gifted.
12. - Listen: a pirate girl be backwards around silver.
MAGLOR - Between Béma and Glorfindel is gold.

'e lesser, indeed.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

10. Elfstone?

[Urwen]

9. Glindur (G from Gee, Lin from Clint without the beginning or the end, and dur, which sounds like 'duh'). ;)

[Huinesoron]

10. Elfstone?

Nope.

9. Glindur (G from Gee, Lin from Clint without the beginning or the end, and dur, which sounds like 'duh'). ;)

And yup, exactly that.

1. - A Proudfoot, vacant but cut short by one and a bit, is wealthy.
2. - I hear you run before a herb, copper.
3. - A beast beyond the circle? I'm uncertain it's inscribed.
4. - Lend one ear to the shortest war, briefly and back, with a signet.
5. - Love lace and flatfish? Like a ring!
6. - A peaceful station in a flipped garland is a jewel.
7. - Race a saint indefinitely for a green jewel.
8. - A venerated elver - her, English? Heavy metal.
GLINDUR - Gee, Eastwood's topped and tailed (duh, you hear me?), but he's dark and tough.
10. - A title worn.
ELESSAR - He' not greater, but gifted.
12. - Listen: a pirate girl be backwards around silver.
MAGLOR - Between Béma and Glorfindel is gold.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

I got GLIN but couldn't find the rest. Who was Glindur? I can't seem to find him.

[Urwen]

I got GLIN but couldn't find the rest. Who was Glindur? I can't seem to find him.

Glindur is a nice chap. Not naughty at all. ;)

[Huinesoron]

I got GLIN but couldn't find the rest. Who was Glindur? I can't seem to find him.

It was a very transient name for Maeglin, from the 'what if his dad named him after his favourite metal' period. It's in HoME XI, I believe.

hS

[Urwen]

Well, for 6, if we flip 'LEI' we get IEL.

Now, MIR is 'Peace' in Russian.

So Mir+Iel = Miriel

And that concludes our business. Pleasure doing business with you.

[Huinesoron]

Well, for 6, if we flip 'LEI' we get IEL.

Now, MIR is 'Peace' in Russian.

So Mir+Iel = Miriel

And that concludes our business. Pleasure doing business with you.

You're most welcome. :)

1. - A Proudfoot, vacant but cut short by one and a bit, is wealthy.
2. - I hear you run before a herb, copper.
3. - A beast beyond the circle? I'm uncertain it's inscribed.
4. - Lend one ear to the shortest war, briefly and back, with a signet.
5. - Love lace and flatfish? Like a ring!
MIRIEL - A peaceful station in a flipped garland is a jewel.
7. - Race a saint indefinitely for a green jewel.
8. - A venerated elver - her, English? Heavy metal.
GLINDUR - Gee, Eastwood's topped and tailed (duh, you hear me?), but he's dark and tough.
10. - A title worn.
ELESSAR - He' not greater, but gifted.
12. - Listen: a pirate girl be backwards around silver.
MAGLOR - Between Béma and Glorfindel is gold.

hS

[Urwen]

Something tells me that 'green jewel' is also 'Elessar'

[Huinesoron]

Something tells me that 'green jewel' is also 'Elessar'

The term 'green jewel' does indicate the Elessar (probably the second one, in context), but that's not the answer to #7.

hS

[Urwen]

So it's Elvish.

[Pervinca Took]

Where is the peaceful station in Miriel?

Although I do remember 'mir' being jewel or gem.

[Huinesoron]

So it's Elvish.

It is not Edhelharn either, no.

Where is the peaceful station in Miriel?

Although I do remember 'mir' being jewel or gem.

The name of Space Station Mir is translated 'peace' (or 'world', as Arthur C. Clarke and Stephen Baxter remembered to great effect in their Time Odyssey).

'Mir' is indeed the jewel of the clue. :)

hS

[Urwen]

These seem difficult, at least for me. And judging by her absence, for Pervinca as well.

[Huinesoron]

These seem difficult, at least for me. And judging by her absence, for Pervinca as well.

I'm sorry to hear that. In the absence of any attempts at answers, I can't really give clues, but I guess I can showcase how my thinking works?

If the cryptic clue read "Sam's bed is not backwards", you'd need to break that down as Sam | bed | not backwards. You'd then look for synonyms for the first two components - in this case Gamgee for the first, and cot for the second - and see whether 'NOT backwards' was a) an instruction for the whole thing (makes no sense), b) needed a synonym (eg 'un' reversed = NU), or c) could be taken literally - NOT, backwards = TON, with the whole answer being GAMGEE COTTON.

If you want to try breaking up some of the clues, I can tell you whether you're on the right track; in this example, if you said 'Sam's | bed is not | backwards', I'd be able to give you a nice big NOPE straight away, rather than you going down a blind alley of knotted flowerbeds or something.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

10. Black Sword?

[Huinesoron]

10. Black Sword?

Nope. Not that sort of title. :)

hS