Password

[Huinesoron]

(P.S. I hope it was OK that I did a colours password. It was because I loved the 'Rainbow' one so much and wanted more).

Of course! Part of the fun is seeing how different people tackle different themes or words, I'm never going to complain about that. :) I'm glad you enjoyed it!

hS

[Kath]

Stick with Meriadoc. It's not his name, though, but a word used to describe him.
Loyal?

I'm beginning to feel this is just lots of names for Merry. Because the main hero of a botanical tome could be him as well given he wrote Herblore of the Shire. :D

[Kath]

Number 3 ... Lake Evendim? Even = flat and dim could be subdued.

[Kath]

10. Alternative route to paradise for the final two. (Well, part of it. Arguably).
This is making me think about Legolas and Gimli leaving Middle Earth. And they go down the Anduin but I don't know about the part in brackets.

[Huinesoron]

#8: I was busily thinking of Frodo, who was temporarily mayor & wound up on an island, but that first part looked too cryptic...

And then I remembered that 'Tolman' is a Hobbitish name, and is Tol (-in-Gaurhoth) + man. Looked it up, and lo and behold, TOLMAN COTTON (a very good material) served as Sam's deputy mayor while Sam himself was off in Gondor.

(Which is deeply nepotistic - nepotic? - given that each of them had married the other's sister. But that's the Shire for you.)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. Maytime, more or less – but now tertiary in Gondor?
2. The magnificent one is constant. And hearty. Remains so at his final summons.
EVENDIM (LAKE): Flat and subdued? A waterside billet – temporary, but kingly.
4. Troubled? Yes, we hear she’s a convicted murderer.
5. The main hero of a botanical tome?
6. Here, beneath Orthanc and Cirith Ungol?
7. Flipping heck! Roheryn’s mate for a festival? Translate!
TOLMAN COTTON: Island chap – good material for a temporary mayor?
HOLDWINE: Keep the champagne and the claret! Rohan calls you once more!
ANDUIN: Alternative route to paradise for the final two. (Well, part of it. Arguably).
GOLDILOCKS: A bride fit for a future Thain?
12. Trumpet loses one note, to gain two more and reveal him.

#8: I was busily thinking of Frodo

I do that. A lot. :D

Although I am also currently doing a mammoth rewatch of 'Life on Mars' and 'Ashes to Ashes,' and am at the point of the saga where I always fall in love with Detective Constable Chris Skelton, who is more like Pippin than Frodo. ;)

Ewww - Pippin's my brother! Well, my non-LOTR self loves Chris Skelton - I'm neither Took nor Hobbit in the Geneverse, I guess.

This is making me think about Legolas and Gimli leaving Middle Earth. And they go down the Anduin but I don't know about the part in brackets.

The brackets are because Anduin would only get them as far as the Sea, and the Sea itself isn't paradise - that's beyond the Sea. so it's only part of the route to paradise. Arguably ... because I am a little unclear about how Legolas gets over to Tol Eressea. Does he sail to Lindon and board one of Cirdan's ships? Or does he sail West from another point - is he himself able to hallow a ship so it will take the Straight Road - can anyone enlighten me?

Quite right on Lake Evendim - Aragorn and Arwen's temporary pad, because Aragorn leads by example and forbids men to set foot in the Shire. He stays near it, and his friends visit him there.

[Kath]

6 must be Undertowers?

[Kath]

Ooh and is the adjective for Merry 'hale'?

[Kath]

And this might be too much of a stretch, but could the main hero of a botanical tome be Old Toby? :D

[Galadriel55]

12. Cryptically I get to BEORN, from horn - H + B + E. But he doesn't fit with either the theme or the letter. :(

[Pervinca Took]

1. Maytime, more or less – but now tertiary in Gondor?
HALE (STILL): The magnificent one is constant. And hearty. Remains so at his final summons.
EVENDIM (LAKE): Flat and subdued? A waterside billet – temporary, but kingly.
4. Troubled? Yes, we hear she’s a convicted murderer.
OLD TOBY: The main hero of a botanical tome?
UNDERTOWERS: Here, beneath Orthanc and Cirith Ungol?
7. Flipping heck! Roheryn’s mate for a festival? Translate!
TOLMAN COTTON: Island chap – good material for a temporary mayor?
HOLDWINE: Keep the champagne and the claret! Rohan calls you once more!
ANDUIN: Alternative route to paradise for the final two. (Well, part of it. Arguably).
GOLDILOCKS: A bride fit for a future Thain?
12. Trumpet loses one note, to gain two more and reveal him.

You want a more 'poetic' word for a trumpet, G55.

[Kath]

You want a more 'poetic' word for a trumpet, G55.

Clarion instead? Lose the C, add E + D and get Eldarion?

[Pervinca Took]

1. Maytime, more or less – but now tertiary in Gondor?
HALE (STILL): The magnificent one is constant. And hearty. Remains so at his final summons.
EVENDIM (LAKE): Flat and subdued? A waterside billet – temporary, but kingly.
4. Troubled? Yes, we hear she’s a convicted murderer.
OLD TOBY: The main hero of a botanical tome?
UNDERTOWERS: Here, beneath Orthanc and Cirith Ungol?
7. Flipping heck! Roheryn’s mate for a festival? Translate!
TOLMAN COTTON: Island chap – good material for a temporary mayor?
HOLDWINE: Keep the champagne and the claret! Rohan calls you once more!
ANDUIN: Alternative route to paradise for the final two. (Well, part of it. Arguably).
GOLDILOCKS: A bride fit for a future Thain?
ELDARION: Trumpet loses one note, to gain two more and reveal him.

Precisely correct! :)

And 'clarion' features in loads of poems and prose, I am sure, but this is my favourite usage of it:

'Enough! the Resurrection,
A heart’s-clarion! Away grief’s gasping, | joyless days, dejection.
Across my foundering deck shone
A beacon, an eternal beam. | Flesh fade, and mortal trash
Fall to the residuary worm; | world’s wildfire, leave but ash:
In a flash, at a trumpet crash,
I am all at once what Christ is, | since he was what I am, and
This Jack, joke, poor potsherd, | patch, matchwood, immortal diamond,
Is immortal diamond.'

From 'That Nature is a Heraclitean Fire and of the Comfort of the Resurrection' by Gerard Manley Hopkins.

[Urwen]

You stole my series...

Password: The Fourth Age.

[Pervinca Took]

T: Maytime, more or less – but now tertiary in Gondor?
HALE (STILL): The magnificent one is constant. And hearty. Remains so at his final summons.
EVENDIM (LAKE): Flat and subdued? A waterside billet – temporary, but kingly.

F: Troubled? Yes, we hear she’s a convicted murderer.
OLD TOBY: The main hero of a botanical tome?
UNDERTOWERS: Here, beneath Orthanc and Cirith Ungol?
R: Flipping heck! Roheryn’s mate for a festival? Translate!
TOLMAN COTTON: Island chap – good material for a temporary mayor?
HOLDWINE: Keep the champagne and the claret! Rohan calls you once more!

ANDUIN: Alternative route to paradise for the final two. (Well, part of it. Arguably).
GOLDILOCKS: A bride fit for a future Thain?
ELDARION: Trumpet loses one note, to gain two more and reveal him.

You stole my series...

Password: The Fourth Age.

You had your chance. ;)

I wanted to see if the 4th Age could be done.

Inspired partly by your 3 Ages and partly by a clue of Huey's which led to a hint about there being strictly 4 of something but most people think of there being 3. I can't remember the theme of that password offhand.

[Kath]

Aww the password was guessed. I wanted to see how long we could get all the right letters in without one of us admitting to clearly knowing the answer. :D

I am totally stumped on the last clues I must admit. The Maytime one feels like it should be a month or a date at least but I'm not good enough with the calendars to figure it out. And I've got nothing for F or R.

[Pervinca Took]

Aww the password was guessed. I wanted to see how long we could get all the right letters in without one of us admitting to clearly knowing the answer. :D

I am totally stumped on the last clues I must admit. The Maytime one feels like it should be a month or a date at least but I'm not good enough with the calendars to figure it out. And I've got nothing for F or R.

Two of the remaining clues refer to changes made in Gondor after the destruction of the Ring. One is a new holiday that is established. The other is a change to when the New Year begins.

The Shire, though, implemented neither of those changes. 'A prophet is never appreciated in his own country.' ;)

So if it was the tertiary month in Gondor, what month would it probably be in a Fourth Age Shire?

Regarding Old Toby: he lived in the Third Age, but the clue refers to a book in which he features, and that book was written in the Fourth Age.

[Kath]

Two of the remaining clues refer to changes made in Gondor after the destruction of the Ring. One is a new holiday that is established. The other is a change to when the New Year begins.

The Shire, though, implemented neither of those changes. 'A prophet is never appreciated in his own country.'

So if it was the tertiary month in Gondor, what month would it probably be in a Fourth Age Shire?
Ok .... so could R be Ringday? And the month could be Thrimidge.

[Pervinca Took]

THRIMIDGE: Maytime, more or less – but now tertiary in Gondor?
HALE (STILL): The magnificent one is constant. And hearty. Remains so at his final summons.
EVENDIM (LAKE): Flat and subdued? A waterside billet – temporary, but kingly.

F: Troubled? Yes, we hear she’s a convicted murderer.
OLD TOBY: The main hero of a botanical tome?
UNDERTOWERS: Here, beneath Orthanc and Cirith Ungol?
RINGDAY (CORMARE): Flipping heck! Roheryn’s mate for a festival? Translate!
TOLMAN COTTON: Island chap – good material for a temporary mayor?
HOLDWINE: Keep the champagne and the claret! Rohan calls you once more!

ANDUIN: Alternative route to paradise for the final two. (Well, part of it. Arguably).
GOLDILOCKS: A bride fit for a future Thain?
ELDARION: Trumpet loses one note, to gain two more and reveal him.

Flipping heck = COR!
Roheryn's* mate is a MARE!
Translate it = RINGDAY.

And Arod's. And Asfaloth's. And probably Fatty Lumpkin's as well. I just chose Roheryn. ;) Are there any named mares in Tolkien's books?

One to go!

[Kath]

Oh! Cormare is great! I was thinking of actual names for the mate for Roheryn. So I'm trying to look up the names of the horses the Rangers brought, and then I'm trying to work out how Hasufel could fit because that would be a mate in terms of a pair of horses Aragorn rides. You can see why I wasn't getting anywhere!

[Pervinca Took]

F: Troubled? Yes, we hear she’s a convicted murderer.

The main cryptic element is what someone is or becomes *when* they're convicted for murder.

[Kath]

I've been percolating but got nowhere.

Prisoner? Imprisoned.

Troubled: flustered, fearful, frightened.

And the she is really throwing me off. At one point I was thinking Fastred because it could be that flustered 'we hear' sounds like Fastred but I can't see how that would connect with the rest of the clue.

[Pervinca Took]

Someone who's gone down for murder is serving such a long sentence that they're a ...

The 'someone' is very close to Fastred.

[Kath]

... a lifer?

If they're very close to Fastred I'd be guessing Elanor.

[Pervinca Took]

'Lifer' is correct.

Now, how about the sound of another word for yes, and a bit of troubling? ;)

[Kath]

I can't get the thing about yes, but working backwards - because I think the answer is Firiel - the troubling bit could be that they yell.

[Pervinca Took]

THRIMIDGE: Maytime, more or less – but now tertiary in Gondor?
HALE (STILL): The magnificent one is constant. And hearty. Remains so at his final summons.
EVENDIM (LAKE): Flat and subdued? A waterside billet – temporary, but kingly.

FIRIEL: Troubled? Yes, we hear she’s a convicted murderer.
OLD TOBY: The main hero of a botanical tome?
UNDERTOWERS: Here, beneath Orthanc and Cirith Ungol?
RINGDAY (CORMARE): Flipping heck! Roheryn’s mate for a festival? Translate!
TOLMAN COTTON: Island chap – good material for a temporary mayor?
HOLDWINE: Keep the champagne and the claret! Rohan calls you once more!

ANDUIN: Alternative route to paradise for the final two. (Well, part of it. Arguably).
GOLDILOCKS: A bride fit for a future Thain?
ELDARION: Trumpet loses one note, to gain two more and reveal him.

LIFER plus I (homophone of 'aye').

Mix it up to get FIRIEL. 'Troubled' is an anagram indicator.

Well done, everyone!

And over to Urwen!

[Kath]

If Urwen doesn't fancy taking this one, I've had a go at creating a password. I've never tried these kinds of clues before so I can't promise it will be any good, though. :D

[Pervinca Took]

If Urwen doesn't fancy taking this one, I've had a go at creating a password. I've never tried these kinds of clues before so I can't promise it will be any good, though. :D

Knew you'd catch the bug, Kath! :)

[Urwen]

They can have it.

[Kath]

They can have it.
Thanks, Urwen! Didn't want to step on your toes. :)

Ok so here goes. And apologies for potentially misleading clues, clues that don't have a clear meaning etc.

1. Absence in brides met with initial resistance
2. Whiskerless traveller's joy at avoiding extremes of hosiery
3. Men grow out baffled at this louse's conversation
4. Throw after the idle
5. Unseen; hidden
6. Reduced title for foe
7. This lass railed around her reflector

[Galadriel55]

I have been looking at the password for a couple days, and don't have anything resembling an answer. But to get the ball rolling:

1. Bride + absent B + R(esistance) = RIDER

[Kath]

I have been looking at the password for a couple days, and don't have anything resembling an answer. But to get the ball rolling:

1. Bride + absent B + R(esistance) = RIDER
So you're close but you need a different word for absence rather than using the word itself.

And please forgive where things like that aren't clear. I tried to read up on the conventions for making these clues but I definitely didn't get it all right!

[Mithalwen]

I will have an uncertain stab at 2 since Traveller’s joy is also called Old man”s beard socks could be hosiery and their extremities would be s which leaves old man. So Sharkey or Saruman?

[Kath]

I will have an uncertain stab at 2 since Traveller’s joy is also called Old man”s beard socks could be hosiery and their extremities would be s which leaves old man. So Sharkey or Saruman?
Hi Mith!! :D Long time no see.

Old man's beard is correct so if he's whiskerless ...

And you need to take the extremities off hosiery before trying to change it.

[Mithalwen]

Ah is it Old man willow then ? Losing beardas discussed above. Actual hosiery without extremities is osier, a type of willow.

[Kath]

1. Absence in brides met with initial resistance
OLD MAN WILLOW: Whiskerless traveller's joy at avoiding extremes of hosiery
3. Men grow out baffled at this louse's conversation
4. Throw after the idle
5. Unseen; hidden
6. Reduced title for foe
7. This lass railed around her reflector

Old Man Willow it is, Mith!

[Galadriel55]

So I am kinda stuck on this password, not because I haven't looked at it further but because I've tried for days and no luck with the clues. A hint, perhaps? :Merisu:

[Kath]

So I am kinda stuck on this password, not because I haven't looked at it further but because I've tried for days and no luck with the clues. A hint, perhaps? :Merisu:
Sure! 3 and 7 both involve anagrams if that's any help?

[Pervinca Took]

I am stuck too, Kath, but I LOVE your osier/hosiery/Old Man Willow clue!

Could number 4 be something ending in -cast? Is there such a character, I wonder?

[Huinesoron]

I, too, keep coming back to this and staring blankly at it. :) For #7, there is a Hobbit-lass who famously receives a mirror - Angelica Baggins - but since there don't seem to be any straight clues elsewhere in the riddle, I assume that's a dead end.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

I am stuck too, Kath, but I LOVE your osier/hosiery/Old Man Willow clue!

Could number 4 be something ending in -cast? Is there such a character, I wonder?

Hang on. Could throw be FLING?

HALFLING? (No 'idle' element, though).

[Kath]

Hang on. Could throw be FLING?

HALFLING? (No 'idle' element, though).
No but you're on the right lines with words for throw. So keep going and also think about alternatives for idle.

[Kath]

I, too, keep coming back to this and staring blankly at it. :) For #7, there is a Hobbit-lass who famously receives a mirror - Angelica Baggins - but since there don't seem to be any straight clues elsewhere in the riddle, I assume that's a dead end.

hS
Mirror is halfway there. Who else has a mirror?

[Kath]

I have been looking at the password for a couple days, and don't have anything resembling an answer. But to get the ball rolling:

1. Bride + absent B + R(esistance) = RIDER
And G55 was almost there with this one. I was after a different word for absent that would add into it

[Pervinca Took]

7. Galadriel.

Gal + railed.

[Kath]

1. Absence in brides met with initial resistance
OLD MAN WILLOW: Whiskerless traveller's joy at avoiding extremes of hosiery
3. Men grow out baffled at this louse's conversation
4. Throw after the idle
5. Unseen; hidden
6. Reduced title for foe
GALADRIEL'S MIRROR: This lass railed around her reflector

Correct, Pervinca! :)

[Pervinca Took]

Is 6 just Sauron or Gorthaur without 'the Cruel' or 'the Great?'

[Kath]

Is 6 just Sauron or Gorthaur without 'the Cruel' or 'the Great?'
Sorry, no. You've got the right villain in Sauron but what's another word for foe?

[Pervinca Took]

Enemy?

[Kath]

Enemy?
Yes! So now 'reduced title' - what goes with Enemy?

[Pervinca Took]

Yes! So now 'reduced title' - what goes with Enemy?

THE Enemy?

[Kath]

THE Enemy?
Noo. You need another word for 'reduced'.

[Mithalwen]

Is 4 lazy lob which was one of the insults Bilbo taunted the spiders with?

[Pervinca Took]

So we can see it:

1. Absence in brides met with initial resistance
OLD MAN WILLOW: Whiskerless traveller's joy at avoiding extremes of hosiery
3. Men grow out baffled at this louse's conversation
4. Throw after the idle
5. Unseen; hidden
6. Reduced title for foe
GALADRIEL'S MIRROR: This lass railed around her reflector

[Kath]

Is 4 lazy lob which was one of the insults Bilbo taunted the spiders with?
It is Mith! :)

[Kath]

1. Absence in brides met with initial resistance
OLD MAN WILLOW: Whiskerless traveller's joy at avoiding extremes of hosiery
3. Men grow out baffled at this louse's conversation
LAZY LOB: Throw after the idle
5. Unseen; hidden
6. Reduced title for foe
GALADRIEL'S MIRROR: This lass railed around her reflector

[Galadriel55]

Still no clue about 1. BRIDES can sort of become BRIGANDS, but there is no absence. What can be called an absence? Lack? Truancy? Void? :confused:

[Pervinca Took]

COILING for the password?

Barmy idea, but ... willow roots are in coils, spider webs can coil ... er ... the water in Galadriel's mirror can coil or swirl around ... and the foe clue might be Necromancer ... which, er, doesn't coil.

I'll get me coat. ;)

[Kath]

Still no clue about 1. BRIDES can sort of become BRIGANDS, but there is no absence. What can be called an absence? Lack? Truancy? Void? :confused:
Yes yes! Lack ... in brides ... and you already had the riders ...

[Kath]

COILING for the password?

Barmy idea, but ... willow roots are in coils, spider webs can coil ... er ... the water in Galadriel's mirror can coil or swirl around ... and the foe clue might be Necromancer ... which, er, doesn't coil.

I'll get me coat. ;)
Not coiling but I love the inventiveness. :cool:

[Galadriel55]

Yes yes! Lack ... in brides ... and you already had the riders ...

*facepalm* duh. Black Riders. :o Took me long enough.

[Pervinca Took]

Wormtongue for the louse?

(Grow men out).

Bowling? :D

[Kath]

RIDERS, BLACK: Absence in brides met with initial resistance
OLD MAN WILLOW: Whiskerless traveller's joy at avoiding extremes of hosiery
WORMTONGUE Men grow out baffled at this louse's conversation
LAZY LOB: Throw after the idle
5. Unseen; hidden
6. Reduced title for foe
GALADRIEL'S MIRROR: This lass railed around her reflector

Well done G55 and Pervinca on the clues but still no dice on the password I'm afraid.

[Galadriel55]

Ohhh! Is it Rowling? For the things that had a Tolkien parallel? *lightbulb*

[Kath]

RIDERS, BLACK: Absence in brides met with initial resistance (dementors)
OLD MAN WILLOW: Whiskerless traveller's joy at avoiding extremes of hosiery (whomping willow)
WORMTONGUE Men grow out baffled at this louse's conversation (wormtail)
LAZY LOB: Throw after the idle (aragog)
I Unseen; hidden
N Reduced title for foe
GALADRIEL'S MIRROR: This lass railed around her reflector (pensieve)

You got it G55! Also please note I made this password before all the controversy she's just caused. :rolleyes:

[Galadriel55]

You got it G55! Also please note I made this password before all the controversy she's just caused. :rolleyes:

I live under a rock and don't know abiut the controversy. But a novel and a personal opinion are very different things, and the author and the person are very different things too. One should neither condemn nor condone one because of the other. In any case, that is an absolutely brilliant idea for a password! Two thumbs up for the theme! :)

I am still finding the clues a bit difficult without a straight element, but if we just have to reduce enemy, can it be... (E)NEMY? :Merisu:

[Mithalwen]

Stabbing in the dark that N something to do with Necromancer which would also be a fitting description of Voldemort and that I might be invisible Harry has an invisibility cloak and the ring makes most people invisible and the Elvish cloaks male you blend in

[Pervinca Took]

What an utterly BRILLIANT password, Kath, and your first one, too! :)

[Huinesoron]

Or maybe something like NAMELESS for N? I'm sure Sauron is called the Nameless Enemy at least once, and old I Am Lord is 'He Who Shall Not Be Named'.

Agreeing with the others - this is a fantastic password, though with no straight clues it's been a real struggle.

hS

[Galadriel55]

I might be invisible Harry has an invisibility cloak and the ring makes most people invisible and the Elvish cloaks male you blend in

On that note, how about Isildur's Bane?


Edit: a browse through Enc of Arda also revealed Inscrutable. But no relation to HP, unless a pun on Unspeakables.

[Kath]

RIDERS, BLACK: Absence in brides met with initial resistance (dementors)
OLD MAN WILLOW: Whiskerless traveller's joy at avoiding extremes of hosiery (whomping willow)
WORMTONGUE Men grow out baffled at this louse's conversation (wormtail)
LAZY LOB: Throw after the idle (aragog)
INVISIBLE Unseen; hidden (cloak vs ring)
NAMELESS ENEMY Reduced title for foe (he who must not be named)
GALADRIEL'S MIRROR: This lass railed around her reflector (pensieve)

You all figured it out! Sorry Hui for the no straight clues. I had no idea how to even start going about these so I just went with what Google managed to teach me. :D

[Galadriel55]

You all figured it out! Sorry Hui for the no straight clues. I had no idea how to even start going about these so I just went with what Google managed to teach me. :D

I loved the password and the theme! It was a bit tough to start, as Hui said, because there were no straight clues to follow. But we managed anyways. :) I wish I could rep you, but apparently WW was too recent.

I learned how to do these clues from the famous Post #7 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=73530&postcount=7). But password clues don't need to cryptic, we just default to those for whatever reason. I might do something non-cryptic on purpose for my next one to throw in some variability. In fact, I think I have a fun idea in mind...

[Urwen]

Um?

[Galadriel55]

Um?

You're back! Just on time for a perfectly themed password.


This password probably took longer to make than it will take to solve. I thought to include some instructions at first, but then I thought it would tumble faster than I can confirm responses. So let's try without instructions at first, but hints will be given freely as this is an experimental thing. The piece I will give is that asterisked clues have the "red letter" not as their first letter.


1. I eat well myself, and if you see what I mean, it’s better than cooking.
2. I do, and now, if you have the floor, I don't care if you say Aranya or Kingsfoil for now.
3. I am Dimrill Dale Falls, owner of 10 new Ballins in Yeastrade Morei.
4. That darkness lies behind us, and our to to take turn our backward upon it, and our will will don't desire to returned thither even on intelligent. Westwards our hearts to to take achieved turn, and our believable this that our shall found lit.
5*. The three for us taking abrue to don't challenge that hundred, then our go taking ahead and speak taking feigned voices, lead the them in onto wood
6. Myself take save you are a the to lasted. You are a take always only failed my and always myself take recovered you are. Myself having you are a originate I father and himself originate for old. Conditionally to ever you are a come the originate forges the for true king the under mountain, went with currently and speedily good!
7. Unique rankings as a criterion for everyone A unique ranking to find them in a unique ranking so that everyone can enter and bind them in the dark.
8*. L? Why worry about each other? Will he give me rest at night or during the day?
9*. The language has changed dramatically; But the wrong name indicates. A dream? I have not heard any reports that allow the truth.
10*. Hello doll! Congratulations, doll! You call Dong Delu! Call Dong! Leave it together! Completed! Tom Boom, Jolly Tom, Tom Pompidillo!
11*. Stay, resist, fight against the government, keep secret, enter the government like a tower, break trust…
12*. So I said we would keep doing it, and I would increase the penalty. Work is an issue that we must work on in her song until the big day.
13. I understand your review, but some people know. If you want to answer, why don't you speak a common language with the West in the usual way?

[Mithalwen]

Dearest cub, are you feeling quite well?:eek:

[Urwen]

1. Gollum?

[Huinesoron]

#11. FINROD? (Or FELAGUND, perhaps)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1 seems to be a paraphrase of what Bilbo says to the trolls when they capture him.

[Mithalwen]

It looks a bit like chunks of text have gone back and forth through Google translate.

[Galadriel55]

#11. FINROD? (Or FELAGUND, perhaps)

hS

Correct. The answer is Finrod, with I as the password letter. To be filled in on the computer rather than phone.

1 seems to be a paraphrase of what Bilbo says to the trolls when they capture him.

Indeed. Bilbo is the answer for #1, password letter is B.

It looks a bit like chunks of text have gone back and forth through Google translate.

Bingo! I knew you'd get there without me telling you the algorithm. ;)

[Blind Guardian]

Is #7 the One Ring inscription?


Unique rankings as a criterion for everyone A unique ranking to find them in a unique ranking so that everyone can enter and bind them in the dark.

One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them, one ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them

Also number 10: that song from Tom Bombadil. Hey doll, deary doll, or whatever it was. I never liked Tom Bombadil. :rolleyes:

[Urwen]

Those look like google translate versions of canonical quotes...

[Galadriel55]

Is #7 the One Ring inscription?


Unique rankings as a criterion for everyone A unique ranking to find them in a unique ranking so that everyone can enter and bind them in the dark.

One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them, one ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them

Also number 10: that song from Tom Bombadil. Hey doll, deary doll, or whatever it was. I never liked Tom Bombadil. :rolleyes:

Correct for both.

7. Preciousss
10. Bombadil, letter D

I still haven't gotten to the computer for a proper filling in, but it's coming, I promise...

[Galadriel55]

Those look like google translate versions of canonical quotes...

Yes.

[Pervinca Took]

8. Sounds rather like what Saruman says to Gandalf, Theoden and Co at Isengard.

[Galadriel55]

8. Sounds rather like what Saruman says to Gandalf, Theoden and Co at Isengard.

Bingo! Somehow "well" got shortened to the like-sounding L, and I am not sure which language is responsible for that, but I find it amusing.

Any guesses for the theme yet?


1. BILBO: I eat well myself, and if you see what I mean, it’s better than cooking. (I am a good cook myself, and cook better than I cook, if you see what I mean.)
2. I do, and now, if you have the floor, I don't care if you say Aranya or Kingsfoil for now.
3. I am Dimrill Dale Falls, owner of 10 new Ballins in Yeastrade Morei.
4. That darkness lies behind us, and our to to take turn our backward upon it, and our will will don't desire to returned thither even on intelligent. Westwards our hearts to to take achieved turn, and our believable this that our shall found lit.
5*. The three for us taking abrue to don't challenge that hundred, then our go taking ahead and speak taking feigned voices, lead the them in onto wood
6. Myself take save you are a the to lasted. You are a take always only failed my and always myself take recovered you are. Myself having you are a originate I father and himself originate for old. Conditionally to ever you are a come the originate forges the for true king the under mountain, went with currently and speedily good!
7. PRECIOUSSS: Unique rankings as a criterion for everyone A unique ranking to find them in a unique ranking so that everyone can enter and bind them in the dark. (One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.)
8*. SARUMAN: L? Why worry about each other? Will he give me rest at night or during the day?(Well? Why must you disturb my rest? Will you give me no peace at all by night or day?)
9*. The language has changed dramatically; But the wrong name indicates. A dream? I have not heard any reports that allow the truth.
10*. TOM BOMBADIL: Hello doll! Congratulations, doll! You call Dong Delu! Call Dong! Leave it together! Completed! Tom Boom, Jolly Tom, Tom Pompidillo! (Hey dol! merry dol! ring a dong dillo! Ring a dong! hop along! fal lal the willow! Tom Bom, jolly Tom, Tom Bombadillo!)
11*. FINROD: Stay, resist, fight against the government, keep secret, enter the government like a tower, break trust… (Sang in answer a song of staying, Resisting, battling against power, Of secrets kept, strength like a tower, And trust unbroken…)
12*. So I said we would keep doing it, and I would increase the penalty. Work is an issue that we must work on in her song until the big day.
13. I understand your review, but some people know. If you want to answer, why don't you speak a common language with the West in the usual way?

[Huinesoron]

#4: I thought for a while this could be one of the Finarfinions avoiding discussing the Kinslaying with Thingol, but then I thought of BEOR to Finrod: "A darkness lies behind us" etc.

#2: 'Kingsfoil' gives this away as ARAGORN sassing the herb-master of Minas Tirith. :)

I can't wait to find out who owns ten new Balins!

hS

[Galadriel55]

#4: I thought for a while this could be one of the Finarfinions avoiding discussing the Kinslaying with Thingol, but then I thought of BEOR to Finrod: "A darkness lies behind us" etc.

#2: 'Kingsfoil' gives this away as ARAGORN sassing the herb-master of Minas Tirith. :)

I can't wait to find out who owns ten new Balins!

hS

Correct on both! Will add original quotes later, again, when on the computer and have access to the texts.

PS. The tip about putting empty highlught boxes while on the computer is a genious idea. It would be a total nightmare on the phone.



1. BILBO: I eat well myself, and if you see what I mean, it’s better than cooking. (I am a good cook myself, and cook better than I cook, if you see what I mean.)
2. ARAGORN: I do, and now, if you have the floor, I don't care if you say Aranya or Kingsfoil for now.
3. I am Dimrill Dale Falls, owner of 10 new Ballins in Yeastrade Morei.
4. BEOR: That darkness lies behind us, and our to to take turn our backward upon it, and our will will don't desire to returned thither even on intelligent. Westwards our hearts to to take achieved turn, and our believable this that our shall found lit.
5*. The three for us taking abrue to don't challenge that hundred, then our go taking ahead and speak taking feigned voices, lead the them in onto wood
6. Myself take save you are a the to lasted. You are a take always only failed my and always myself take recovered you are. Myself having you are a originate I father and himself originate for old. Conditionally to ever you are a come the originate forges the for true king the under mountain, went with currently and speedily good!
7. PRECIOUSSS: Unique rankings as a criterion for everyone A unique ranking to find them in a unique ranking so that everyone can enter and bind them in the dark. (One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.)
8*. SARUMAN: L? Why worry about each other? Will he give me rest at night or during the day?(Well? Why must you disturb my rest? Will you give me no peace at all by night or day?)
9*. The language has changed dramatically; But the wrong name indicates. A dream? I have not heard any reports that allow the truth.
10*. TOM BOMBADIL: Hello doll! Congratulations, doll! You call Dong Delu! Call Dong! Leave it together! Completed! Tom Boom, Jolly Tom, Tom Pompidillo! (Hey dol! merry dol! ring a dong dillo! Ring a dong! hop along! fal lal the willow! Tom Bom, jolly Tom, Tom Bombadillo!)
11*. FINROD: Stay, resist, fight against the government, keep secret, enter the government like a tower, break trust… (Sang in answer a song of staying, Resisting, battling against power, Of secrets kept, strength like a tower, And trust unbroken…)
12*. So I said we would keep doing it, and I would increase the penalty. Work is an issue that we must work on in her song until the big day.
13. I understand your review, but some people know. If you want to answer, why don't you speak a common language with the West in the usual way?

[Urwen]

5 reminds me of three hunters...

[Mithalwen]

6 Is Bard the Bowman addressing the Black Arrow -“Black arrow! I have saved you to the last. You have never failed me and always I have recovered you. I had you from my father and he from of old. If ever you came from the forges of the true king under the Mountain, go now and speed well!"

[Galadriel55]

5 reminds me of three hunters...

It is true that there is a group of 3, but not that group. I suggest paying some attention to "feigned voices".

[Galadriel55]

6 Is Bard the Bowman addressing the Black Arrow -“Black arrow! I have saved you to the last. You have never failed me and always I have recovered you. I had you from my father and he from of old. If ever you came from the forges of the true king under the Mountain, go now and speed well!"

Yes! To be edited in....

[Galadriel55]

1. BILBO: I eat well myself, and if you see what I mean, it’s better than cooking. (I am a good cook myself, and cook better than I cook, if you see what I mean.)
2. ARAGORN: I do, and now, if you have the floor, I don't care if you say Aranya or Kingsfoil for now. (I do so, and I care not whether you say now asëa aranion or kingsfoil, so long as you have some.)
3. I am Dimrill Dale Falls, owner of 10 new Ballins in Yeastrade Morei.
4. BEOR: That darkness lies behind us, and our to to take turn our backward upon it, and our will will don't desire to returned thither even on intelligent. Westwards our hearts to to take achieved turn, and our believable this that our shall found lit. (A darkness lies behind us, and we have turned our backs upon it, and we do not desire to return thither even in thought. Westwards our hearts have been turned, and we believe that there we shall find Light.)
5*. The three for us taking abrue to don't challenge that hundred, then our go taking ahead and speak taking feigned voices, lead the them in onto wood
6. BARD: Myself take save you are a the to lasted. You are a take always only failed my and always myself take recovered you are. Myself having you are a originate I father and himself originate for old. Conditionally to ever you are a come the originate forges the for true king the under mountain, went with currently and speedily good! ([Arrow! Black arrow!] I have saved you to the last. You have never failed me and always I have recovered you. I had you from my father and he from of old. If ever you came from the forges of the true king under the Mountain, go now and speed well!)
7. PRECIOUSSS: Unique rankings as a criterion for everyone A unique ranking to find them in a unique ranking so that everyone can enter and bind them in the dark. (One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.)
8*. SARUMAN: L? Why worry about each other? Will he give me rest at night or during the day?(Well? Why must you disturb my rest? Will you give me no peace at all by night or day?)
9*. The language has changed dramatically; But the wrong name indicates. A dream? I have not heard any reports that allow the truth.
10*. TOM BOMBADIL: Hello doll! Congratulations, doll! You call Dong Delu! Call Dong! Leave it together! Completed! Tom Boom, Jolly Tom, Tom Pompidillo! (Hey dol! merry dol! ring a dong dillo! Ring a dong! hop along! fal lal the willow! Tom Bom, jolly Tom, Tom Bombadillo!)
11*. FINROD: Stay, resist, fight against the government, keep secret, enter the government like a tower, break trust… (Sang in answer a song of staying, Resisting, battling against power, Of secrets kept, strength like a tower, And trust unbroken…)
12*. So I said we would keep doing it, and I would increase the penalty. Work is an issue that we must work on in her song until the big day.
13. I understand your review, but some people know. If you want to answer, why don't you speak a common language with the West in the usual way?


A tip for the theme: the manner in which the clues were made is also part of it. And the quotes/speakers were chosen for a reason.

[Urwen]

I know what the password is. I invented it, in fact.


Baobab pudding.

[Galadriel55]

I know what the password is. I invented it, in fact.


Baobab pudding.

So you did. :smokin:


1. BILBO: I eat well myself, and if you see what I mean, it’s better than cooking. (I am a good cook myself, and cook better than I cook, if you see what I mean.)
2. ARAGORN: I do, and now, if you have the floor, I don't care if you say Aranya or Kingsfoil for now. (I do so, and I care not whether you say now asëa aranion or kingsfoil, so long as you have some.)
3. O I am Dimrill Dale Falls, owner of 10 new Ballins in Yeastrade Morei.
4. BEOR: That darkness lies behind us, and our to to take turn our backward upon it, and our will will don't desire to returned thither even on intelligent. Westwards our hearts to to take achieved turn, and our believable this that our shall found lit. (A darkness lies behind us, and we have turned our backs upon it, and we do not desire to return thither even in thought. Westwards our hearts have been turned, and we believe that there we shall find Light.)
5*. A The three for us taking abrue to don't challenge that hundred, then our go taking ahead and speak taking feigned voices, lead the them in onto wood
6. BARD: Myself take save you are a the to lasted. You are a take always only failed my and always myself take recovered you are. Myself having you are a originate I father and himself originate for old. Conditionally to ever you are a come the originate forges the for true king the under mountain, went with currently and speedily good! ([Arrow! Black arrow!] I have saved you to the last. You have never failed me and always I have recovered you. I had you from my father and he from of old. If ever you came from the forges of the true king under the Mountain, go now and speed well!)
7. PRECIOUSSS: Unique rankings as a criterion for everyone A unique ranking to find them in a unique ranking so that everyone can enter and bind them in the dark. (One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.)
8*. SARUMAN: L? Why worry about each other? Will he give me rest at night or during the day?(Well? Why must you disturb my rest? Will you give me no peace at all by night or day?)
9*. D The language has changed dramatically; But the wrong name indicates. A dream? I have not heard any reports that allow the truth.
10*. TOM BOMBADIL: Hello doll! Congratulations, doll! You call Dong Delu! Call Dong! Leave it together! Completed! Tom Boom, Jolly Tom, Tom Pompidillo! (Hey dol! merry dol! ring a dong dillo! Ring a dong! hop along! fal lal the willow! Tom Bom, jolly Tom, Tom Bombadillo!)
11*. FINROD: Stay, resist, fight against the government, keep secret, enter the government like a tower, break trust… (Sang in answer a song of staying, Resisting, battling against power, Of secrets kept, strength like a tower, And trust unbroken…)
12*. N So I said we would keep doing it, and I would increase the penalty. Work is an issue that we must work on in her song until the big day.
13. G I understand your review, but some people know. If you want to answer, why don't you speak a common language with the West in the usual way?

[Huinesoron]

I know what the password is. I invented it, in fact.


Baobab pudding.

:D

...

:D

hS

[Huinesoron]

Is #3 something like 'Balin fell yesterday morning in Dimrill Dale', written by ORI in the Book of Mazarbul?

hS

[Galadriel55]

Is #3 something like 'Balin fell yesterday morning in Dimrill Dale', written by ORI in the Book of Mazarbul?

hS

Indeed! Aside from being a good scribe and having a preference for Elvish, Ori also apparently liked alternative spelling. ;)

1. BILBO: I eat well myself, and if you see what I mean, it’s better than cooking. (I am a good cook myself, and cook better than I cook, if you see what I mean.)
2. ARAGORN: I do, and now, if you have the floor, I don't care if you say Aranya or Kingsfoil for now. (I do so, and I care not whether you say now asëa aranion or kingsfoil, so long as you have some.)
3. ORI: I am Dimrill Dale Falls, owner of 10 new Ballins in Yeastrade Morei. (Yestreday being the tenth of novembre Balin lord of Moria fell in Dimrill Dale.)
4. BEOR: That darkness lies behind us, and our to to take turn our backward upon it, and our will will don't desire to returned thither even on intelligent. Westwards our hearts to to take achieved turn, and our believable this that our shall found lit. (A darkness lies behind us, and we have turned our backs upon it, and we do not desire to return thither even in thought. Westwards our hearts have been turned, and we believe that there we shall find Light.)
5*. A The three for us taking abrue to don't challenge that hundred, then our go taking ahead and speak taking feigned voices, lead the them in onto wood
6. BARD: Myself take save you are a the to lasted. You are a take always only failed my and always myself take recovered you are. Myself having you are a originate I father and himself originate for old. Conditionally to ever you are a come the originate forges the for true king the under mountain, went with currently and speedily good! ([Arrow! Black arrow!] I have saved you to the last. You have never failed me and always I have recovered you. I had you from my father and he from of old. If ever you came from the forges of the true king under the Mountain, go now and speed well!)
7. PRECIOUSSS: Unique rankings as a criterion for everyone A unique ranking to find them in a unique ranking so that everyone can enter and bind them in the dark. (One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.)
8*. SARUMAN: L? Why worry about each other? Will he give me rest at night or during the day?(Well? Why must you disturb my rest? Will you give me no peace at all by night or day?)
9*. D The language has changed dramatically; But the wrong name indicates. A dream? I have not heard any reports that allow the truth.
10*. TOM BOMBADIL: Hello doll! Congratulations, doll! You call Dong Delu! Call Dong! Leave it together! Completed! Tom Boom, Jolly Tom, Tom Pompidillo! (Hey dol! merry dol! ring a dong dillo! Ring a dong! hop along! fal lal the willow! Tom Bom, jolly Tom, Tom Bombadillo!)
11*. FINROD: Stay, resist, fight against the government, keep secret, enter the government like a tower, break trust… (Sang in answer a song of staying, Resisting, battling against power, Of secrets kept, strength like a tower, And trust unbroken…)
12*. N So I said we would keep doing it, and I would increase the penalty. Work is an issue that we must work on in her song until the big day.
13. G I understand your review, but some people know. If you want to answer, why don't you speak a common language with the West in the usual way?



Looking at the remaining clues, 12 might be hard to get until you figure out the theme. Then it will be quite easy. To get to the theme, I suggest thinking in particular about the quotes in 2, 3, and 6, of the ones that were already guessed. What aspect ties all the quotes/speakers/events surrounding the quote together?

[Huinesoron]

Oh! #13: is this GANDALF to the guard (Hama?) outside Meduseld? When the Rohirrim are being rude and speaking Old English at everyone?

On a similar note, #9 sounds like someone in Rohan talking about Hobbits. I forget who that is, but the D says it might be THEODEN.

hS

[Huinesoron]

As for themes: there seems to be an undercurrent of confusing language running through the password. Several (Aragorn, the Ring, my #13) have people using non-common languages; others (Ori, my #9, Tom Bom) have non-standard language use. Some (Bilbo, Saruman, Finrod) are being, or are noted for being, deliberately confusing, and I believe that only leaves Beor (who first appeared speaking an unfamiliar language) and Bard (who speaks Bird, as I recall).

This also fits nicely with both the password and the style.

hS

[Galadriel55]

Oh! #13: is this GANDALF to the guard (Hama?) outside Meduseld? When the Rohirrim are being rude and speaking Old English at everyone?

On a similar note, #9 sounds like someone in Rohan talking about Hobbits. I forget who that is, but the D says it might be THEODEN.

hS

Yes to both! I believe the guard is not Hama, but an unnamed person; they meet Hama inside when it comes time to lay down their weapons.

As for themes: there seems to be an undercurrent of confusing language running through the password. Several (Aragorn, the Ring, my #13) have people using non-common languages; others (Ori, my #9, Tom Bom) have non-standard language use. Some (Bilbo, Saruman, Finrod) are being, or are noted for being, deliberately confusing, and I believe that only leaves Beor (who first appeared speaking an unfamiliar language) and Bard (who speaks Bird, as I recall).

This also fits nicely with both the password and the style.

hS

Great work! :)

The theme is not necessarily about confusing language, but the use of language in general, both as an enrichment of the legendarium and a real world phenomenon. I tried to pick speakers who stand out in terms of language use or linguistic ability (eg. Bilbo, who translated a bunch of stuff, Bard, who speaks Bird, Tom Bom who speaks gibberish, Ori who writes in a unique style, Gandlaf - "With Dwarf and Hobbit, Elves and Men, / with mortal and immortal folk, / with bird on bough and beast in den, / in their own secret tongues he spoke."), and quotes that highlight various uses of language (puns, misunderstandings, magic, and others). Interestingly, the two remaining quotes fall under "other", but both can be linked to confusion in some way. I didn't intend for confusion to be part of the theme, but it does seem to crop up. ;)



THEME: THE PERKS AND PITFALLS OF LANGUAGE IN MIDDLE-EARTH AND BEYOND

1. BILBO: I eat well myself, and if you see what I mean, it’s better than cooking. (I am a good cook myself, and cook better than I cook, if you see what I mean.)
2. ARAGORN: I do, and now, if you have the floor, I don't care if you say Aranya or Kingsfoil for now. (I do so, and I care not whether you say now asëa aranion or kingsfoil, so long as you have some.)
3. ORI: I am Dimrill Dale Falls, owner of 10 new Ballins in Yeastrade Morei. (Yestreday being the tenth of novembre Balin lord of Moria fell in Dimrill Dale.)
4. BEOR: That darkness lies behind us, and our to to take turn our backward upon it, and our will will don't desire to returned thither even on intelligent. Westwards our hearts to to take achieved turn, and our believable this that our shall found lit. (A darkness lies behind us, and we have turned our backs upon it, and we do not desire to return thither even in thought. Westwards our hearts have been turned, and we believe that there we shall find Light.)
5*. A The three for us taking abrue to don't challenge that hundred, then our go taking ahead and speak taking feigned voices, lead the them in onto wood
6. BARD: Myself take save you are a the to lasted. You are a take always only failed my and always myself take recovered you are. Myself having you are a originate I father and himself originate for old. Conditionally to ever you are a come the originate forges the for true king the under mountain, went with currently and speedily good! ([Arrow! Black arrow!] I have saved you to the last. You have never failed me and always I have recovered you. I had you from my father and he from of old. If ever you came from the forges of the true king under the Mountain, go now and speed well!)
7. PRECIOUSSS: Unique rankings as a criterion for everyone A unique ranking to find them in a unique ranking so that everyone can enter and bind them in the dark. (One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.)
8*. SARUMAN: L? Why worry about each other? Will he give me rest at night or during the day?(Well? Why must you disturb my rest? Will you give me no peace at all by night or day?)
9*. THEODEN: The language has changed dramatically; But the wrong name indicates. A dream? I have not heard any reports that allow the truth. (Your tongue is strangely changed; but the name sounds not unfitting so. Hobbits! No report that I have heard does justice to the truth.)
10*. TOM BOMBADIL: Hello doll! Congratulations, doll! You call Dong Delu! Call Dong! Leave it together! Completed! Tom Boom, Jolly Tom, Tom Pompidillo! (Hey dol! merry dol! ring a dong dillo! Ring a dong! hop along! fal lal the willow! Tom Bom, jolly Tom, Tom Bombadillo!)
11*. FINROD: Stay, resist, fight against the government, keep secret, enter the government like a tower, break trust… (Sang in answer a song of staying, Resisting, battling against power, Of secrets kept, strength like a tower, And trust unbroken…)
12*. N So I said we would keep doing it, and I would increase the penalty. Work is an issue that we must work on in her song until the big day.
13. GANDALF: I understand your review, but some people know. If you want to answer, why don't you speak a common language with the West in the usual way? (Well do I understand your speech, yet few strangers do so. Why then do you not speak in the Common Tongue, as is the custom in the West, if you wish to be answered?)

[Pervinca Took]

Could N be Namo ... something to do with the Ainulindale (song) and judgement and retribution (penalty?)

[Galadriel55]

Could N be Namo ... something to do with the Ainulindale (song) and judgement and retribution (penalty?)

Ohhh good guess! No, but Namo and judgement and that stuff is involved. That clue does not start with N. Also, now that you know the theme, this person should come to mind in the forefront of the legendarium's linguistic accomplishments.

[Urwen]

Oh....is it the best linguistic mind of the generation after Rumil, our very own genius, Feanor?

[Galadriel55]

Oh....is it the best linguistic mind of the generation after Rumil, our very own genius, Feanor?

That's the guy. Not just good at writing runes, but also a very persuasive dude, I hear.

One more to go. This one is a bit unusual. I suggest focusing on "feigned voices" and the last bit of the sentence.


THEME: THE PERKS AND PITFALLS OF LANGUAGE IN MIDDLE-EARTH AND BEYOND

1. BILBO: I eat well myself, and if you see what I mean, it’s better than cooking. (I am a good cook myself, and cook better than I cook, if you see what I mean.)
2. ARAGORN: I do, and now, if you have the floor, I don't care if you say Aranya or Kingsfoil for now. (I do so, and I care not whether you say now asëa aranion or kingsfoil, so long as you have some.)
3. ORI: I am Dimrill Dale Falls, owner of 10 new Ballins in Yeastrade Morei. (Yestreday being the tenth of novembre Balin lord of Moria fell in Dimrill Dale.)
4. BEOR: That darkness lies behind us, and our to to take turn our backward upon it, and our will will don't desire to returned thither even on intelligent. Westwards our hearts to to take achieved turn, and our believable this that our shall found lit. (A darkness lies behind us, and we have turned our backs upon it, and we do not desire to return thither even in thought. Westwards our hearts have been turned, and we believe that there we shall find Light.)
5*. A The three for us taking abrue to don't challenge that hundred, then our go taking ahead and speak taking feigned voices, lead the them in onto wood
6. BARD: Myself take save you are a the to lasted. You are a take always only failed my and always myself take recovered you are. Myself having you are a originate I father and himself originate for old. Conditionally to ever you are a come the originate forges the for true king the under mountain, went with currently and speedily good! ([Arrow! Black arrow!] I have saved you to the last. You have never failed me and always I have recovered you. I had you from my father and he from of old. If ever you came from the forges of the true king under the Mountain, go now and speed well!)
7. PRECIOUSSS: Unique rankings as a criterion for everyone A unique ranking to find them in a unique ranking so that everyone can enter and bind them in the dark. (One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.)
8*. SARUMAN: L? Why worry about each other? Will he give me rest at night or during the day?(Well? Why must you disturb my rest? Will you give me no peace at all by night or day?)
9*. THEODEN: The language has changed dramatically; But the wrong name indicates. A dream? I have not heard any reports that allow the truth. (Your tongue is strangely changed; but the name sounds not unfitting so. Hobbits! No report that I have heard does justice to the truth.)
10*. TOM BOMBADIL: Hello doll! Congratulations, doll! You call Dong Delu! Call Dong! Leave it together! Completed! Tom Boom, Jolly Tom, Tom Pompidillo! (Hey dol! merry dol! ring a dong dillo! Ring a dong! hop along! fal lal the willow! Tom Bom, jolly Tom, Tom Bombadillo!)
11*. FINROD: Stay, resist, fight against the government, keep secret, enter the government like a tower, break trust… (Sang in answer a song of staying, Resisting, battling against power, Of secrets kept, strength like a tower, And trust unbroken…)
12*. FEANOR: So I said we would keep doing it, and I would increase the penalty. Work is an issue that we must work on in her song until the big day. (Therefore I say that we will go on, and this doom I add: the deeds that we shall do shall be the matter of song until the last days of Arda.)
13. GANDALF: I understand your review, but some people know. If you want to answer, why don't you speak a common language with the West in the usual way? (Well do I understand your speech, yet few strangers do so. Why then do you not speak in the Common Tongue, as is the custom in the West, if you wish to be answered?)

[Huinesoron]

So: talking in feigned voices to draw the enemy away into the woods sounds like a very Tolkien scene, but I can't place it at all. It might be Bilbo against the spiders in Mirkwood, but we've already had Bilbo. It's the sort of thing you'd do if you were sneaking into an enemy's camp, or to divert the enemy from your main force, but that's... really not something that happens much in Tolkien.

Is it something to do with Turin? Perhaps from his bandit days, or perhaps when Beleg and Gwindor were sneaking in to rescue him from the orcs? That's the only thing I can think of.

EDIT: Or, if 'woods' is a mistranslation, and GTrans has flipped some pronouns, something from the Dead Marshes? Feigned voices drawing people away, and the number three is in there...

hS

[Galadriel55]

So: talking in feigned voices to draw the enemy away into the woods sounds like a very Tolkien scene, but I can't place it at all. It might be Bilbo against the spiders in Mirkwood, but we've already had Bilbo. It's the sort of thing you'd do if you were sneaking into an enemy's camp, or to divert the enemy from your main force, but that's... really not something that happens much in Tolkien.

I suppose given all your examples it happens enough to not be as easy as I thought. You are looking for a FOTR scene. That should hopefully narrow down the search.

[Pervinca Took]

Is it a film-based scene ... Fellowship members distracting the orcs so that Frodo can escape with the Ring?

[Huinesoron]

I suppose given all your examples it happens enough to not be as easy as I thought. You are looking for a FOTR scene. That should hopefully narrow down the search.

Ah, there it is: Haldir, explaining his anti-Orc strategy. I glanced over "Three is Company" first, before remembering the orc party that invaded Lorien.

Fits the theme because the Lorien elves habitually speak Silvan Elvish, which is not widely understood.

hS

[Galadriel55]

Is it a film-based scene ... Fellowship members distracting the orcs so that Frodo can escape with the Ring?

You know me better than that. Would I really rely on a movie scene? :p

Ah, there it is: Haldir, explaining his anti-Orc strategy. I glanced over "Three is Company" first, before remembering the orc party that invaded Lorien.

Fits the theme because the Lorien elves habitually speak Silvan Elvish, which is not widely understood.

hS

Yes! And Haldir's companions didn't even speak the Common Tongue. Yet they manage to imitate it to a believable degree, considering they manage to lead the orcs right where they want to.


THEME: THE PERKS AND PITFALLS OF LANGUAGE IN MIDDLE-EARTH AND BEYOND

1. BILBO: I eat well myself, and if you see what I mean, it’s better than cooking. (I am a good cook myself, and cook better than I cook, if you see what I mean.)
2. ARAGORN: I do, and now, if you have the floor, I don't care if you say Aranya or Kingsfoil for now. (I do so, and I care not whether you say now asëa aranion or kingsfoil, so long as you have some.)
3. ORI: I am Dimrill Dale Falls, owner of 10 new Ballins in Yeastrade Morei. (Yestreday being the tenth of novembre Balin lord of Moria fell in Dimrill Dale.)
4. BEOR: That darkness lies behind us, and our to to take turn our backward upon it, and our will will don't desire to returned thither even on intelligent. Westwards our hearts to to take achieved turn, and our believable this that our shall found lit. (A darkness lies behind us, and we have turned our backs upon it, and we do not desire to return thither even in thought. Westwards our hearts have been turned, and we believe that there we shall find Light.)
5*. HALDIR: The three for us taking abrue to don't challenge that hundred, then our go taking ahead and speak taking feigned voices, lead the them in onto wood (The three of us could not challenge a hundred, so we went ahead and spoke with feigned voices, leading them on into the wood.)
6. BARD: Myself take save you are a the to lasted. You are a take always only failed my and always myself take recovered you are. Myself having you are a originate I father and himself originate for old. Conditionally to ever you are a come the originate forges the for true king the under mountain, went with currently and speedily good! ([Arrow! Black arrow!] I have saved you to the last. You have never failed me and always I have recovered you. I had you from my father and he from of old. If ever you came from the forges of the true king under the Mountain, go now and speed well!)
7. PRECIOUSSS: Unique rankings as a criterion for everyone A unique ranking to find them in a unique ranking so that everyone can enter and bind them in the dark. (One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.)
8*. SARUMAN: L? Why worry about each other? Will he give me rest at night or during the day?(Well? Why must you disturb my rest? Will you give me no peace at all by night or day?)
9*. THEODEN: The language has changed dramatically; But the wrong name indicates. A dream? I have not heard any reports that allow the truth. (Your tongue is strangely changed; but the name sounds not unfitting so. Hobbits! No report that I have heard does justice to the truth.)
10*. TOM BOMBADIL: Hello doll! Congratulations, doll! You call Dong Delu! Call Dong! Leave it together! Completed! Tom Boom, Jolly Tom, Tom Pompidillo! (Hey dol! merry dol! ring a dong dillo! Ring a dong! hop along! fal lal the willow! Tom Bom, jolly Tom, Tom Bombadillo!)
11*. FINROD: Stay, resist, fight against the government, keep secret, enter the government like a tower, break trust… (Sang in answer a song of staying, Resisting, battling against power, Of secrets kept, strength like a tower, And trust unbroken…)
12*. FEANOR: So I said we would keep doing it, and I would increase the penalty. Work is an issue that we must work on in her song until the big day. (Therefore I say that we will go on, and this doom I add: the deeds that we shall do shall be the matter of song until the last days of Arda.)
13. GANDALF: I understand your review, but some people know. If you want to answer, why don't you speak a common language with the West in the usual way? (Well do I understand your speech, yet few strangers do so. Why then do you not speak in the Common Tongue, as is the custom in the West, if you wish to be answered?)


And now over to Urwen!

[Urwen]

Hmmm....I have an idea. New puzzle will be here shortly.

[Pervinca Took]

Galadriel, which language did you choose to Google Translate the quotations into, before Google Translating them back into English?

Brilliantly original idea! :)

[Urwen]

Here you go. Hope you enjoy it.

1. A mother and a daughter. Little people.
2. Called fair; of Hobbitish descent.
3. Hell is a valley?
4. Flower worshipper?
5. His son died by fire.
6. Sounds like a birdy offspring, but it's his other name you're after.
7. A girl and a flower.
8. The seventh is hurled.
9. Is he an elf, or not?
10. Two stones, and a man.
11. Small horse.

[Urwen]

This one is a bit sneaky, and you'll see why once you solve a few clues.

[Huinesoron]

#2 makes me imagine some obscure tale wherein a Dunedain character is said to be "shorter than many of her people, and it was rumoured that she had a Halfling in her remote ancestry". :)

Anyway: is #1 ROSE or ROSIE, for Mistress Rose and Rosie-lass of Bag-End?

hS

[Galadriel55]

Galadriel, which language did you choose to Google Translate the quotations into, before Google Translating them back into English?

Brilliantly original idea! :)

There used to be a Bad Translator website which would run things through a set number of translations back and forth with English, and it was quite good at generating hilarity (see the Googlese thread (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=16504)). However, the website seems to be down, and the translators I found were not on par. So I did it manually, sending the quote through 5+ languages chosen at random, the only rule being to have as much variety as possible and that two consecutive languages may not be from the same language group (preferably all languages in the translation would be from different groups but by the time I'd get to the end I wouldn't remember what I started with versus what I did for previous quotes so this one might not have been followed accurately). Sometimes I went too far, and when I finally brought the quote back to English it was completely unrecognizable, so I re-did those until they had a balance of not obvious but recognizable.

Edit: crossed with the new password.

[Pervinca Took]

Is 2 Elanor?

[Galadriel55]

5. Ecthelion?

7. Elanor? [Edit: crossed again... :D]

[Huinesoron]

Is #10 ELESSAR, or "King Greenrock" as he was known among the Dunlendings?

hS

[Galadriel55]

Is #10 ELESSAR, or "King Greenrock" as he was known among the Dunlendings?

King Greenrock! :D:D:D I guess better than King Vagabond, as he was known in Bree.

[Huinesoron]

King Greenrock! :D:D:D I guess better than King Vagabond, as he was known in Bree.

I understand there's a full list in Home XIV: The Weird... no, wait, I mean in the upcoming Nature of Middle-earth (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?p=727823), yeah, that'll do it.

hS

[Urwen]

ROSE: A mother and a daughter. Little people.
ELANOR: Called fair; of Hobbitish descent.
3. Hell is a valley?
4. Flower worshipper?
ECTHELION: His son died by fire.
6. Sounds like a birdy offspring, but it's his other name you're after.
7. A girl and a flower.
8. The seventh is hurled.
9. Is he an elf, or not?
ELESSAR: Two stones, and a man.
11. Small horse.

[Pervinca Took]

Is 8 PALANTIR?

3 ... UDUN? Or MORGUL?

[Galadriel55]

11. Pony? Prancing Pony? Bill the Pony?

6. Makes me think of Eagle & Child...

[Mithalwen]

7 could be Nimrodel, flower interpreted as river.

[Urwen]

ROSE: A mother and a daughter. Little people.
ELANOR: Called fair; of Hobbitish descent.
UDUN: Hell is a valley?
4. Flower worshipper?
ECTHELION: His son died by fire.
6. Sounds like a birdy offspring, but it's his other name you're after.
NIMRODEL: A girl and a flower.
8. The seventh is hurled.
9. Is he an elf, or not?
ELESSAR: Two stones, and a man.
11. Small horse.

[Urwen]

11. Pony? Prancing Pony? Bill the Pony?

6. Makes me think of Eagle & Child...

For 11, it is a pony, but which one?

For 6, I've reused one of your clues. :smokin:

[Galadriel55]

For 6, I've reused one of your clues. :smokin:

No way! Is the Emu Child back? In that case, the answer is Dior.

Also, if certain assumptions are correct, is the pony Strider?

Edit: Hui - King Vagabond? It should have been King Horseface.

[Huinesoron]

Edit: Hui - King Vagabond? It should have been King Horseface.

It could be worse. Mayor Gamgee of Michel Delving insisted on referring to him as "King Trotter" for over sixty years.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Password: reused names?

11. STRIDER. Both Aragorn's nickname and the name of the pony that carried Frodo back to the Shire from Gondor.

[Urwen]

ROSE: A mother and a daughter. Little people.
ELANOR: Called fair; of Hobbitish descent.
UDUN: Hell is a valley?
S: Flower worshipper?
ECTHELION: His son died by fire.
DIOR: Sounds like a birdy offspring, but it's his other name you're after.
NIMRODEL: A girl and a flower.
A: The seventh is hurled.
M: Is he an elf, or not?
ELESSAR: Two stones, and a man.
STRIDER: Small horse.

[Pervinca Took]

Would M be MABLUNG?

[Urwen]

ROSE: A mother and a daughter. Little people.
ELANOR: Called fair; of Hobbitish descent.
UDUN: Hell is a valley?
S: Flower worshipper?
ECTHELION: His son died by fire.
DIOR: Sounds like a birdy offspring, but it's his other name you're after.
NIMRODEL: A girl and a flower.
A: The seventh is hurled.
MABLUNG: Is he an elf, or not?
ELESSAR: Two stones, and a man.
STRIDER: Small horse.

[Galadriel55]

It could be worse. Mayor Gamgee of Michel Delving insisted on referring to him as "King Trotter" for over sixty years.

hS

Nooo. :eek:


Going through various sevenths for A, I got Anarion as the 7th King of Numenor (though 8th ruler). Also got Arahad as the 7th Chieftain of the Dunedain, with Arahad II to follow some generations later.

[Urwen]

ROSE: A mother and a daughter. Little people.
ELANOR: Called fair; of Hobbitish descent.
UDUN: Hell is a valley?
S: Flower worshipper?
ECTHELION: His son died by fire.
DIOR: Sounds like a birdy offspring, but it's his other name you're after.
NIMRODEL: A girl and a flower.
ARAHAD: The seventh is hurled.
MABLUNG: Is he an elf, or not?
ELESSAR: Two stones, and a man.
STRIDER: Small horse.

[Pervinca Took]

Why 'hurled,' Urwen?

[Urwen]

Why 'hurled,' Urwen?


One of the elements in his name.

[Pervinca Took]

Which element, though? I can't see it.

[Urwen]

Which element, though? I can't see it.

Here is the relevant part.

but the had is a little harder to work out. It could be had meaning "hurl, throw", it could be sad (lenited to had) meaning "place, spot", or it could be related to sador meaning "faithful person".

[Pervinca Took]

Ah, cool. Thanks.

[Galadriel55]

Is the last one perhaps Sam? In reference to his gardening and/or abundance of female flowers in the family?

[Urwen]

No. This one is also etymological and refers to the other kind of flower.

[Huinesoron]

No. This one is also etymological and refers to the other kind of flower.

SIRIONDIL, of the line of Gondor? Meaning "River-friend".

hS

[Urwen]

ROSE: A mother and a daughter. Little people.
ELANOR: Called fair; of Hobbitish descent.
UDUN: Hell is a valley?
SIRIONDIL: Flower worshipper?
ECTHELION: His son died by fire.
DIOR: Sounds like a birdy offspring, but it's his other name you're after.
NIMRODEL: A girl and a flower.
ARAHAD: The seventh is hurled.
MABLUNG: Is he an elf, or not?
ELESSAR: Two stones, and a man.
STRIDER: Small horse.


And Pervinca has the next one.

[Urwen]

Where is Pervinca at?

[Pervinca Took]

Sorry. Coming up.

Just had to hold the laptop right up to my face and delete the answers with one finger, as I've mislaid my reading specs. Enjoy.


1. He who harbours this looks out in wonder.
2. Does her bird sing as twilight approaches?
3. A steed with great stamina? Well, he unravels to reveal something else that just goes on and on.
4. Hobbits sound leisurely at this point, even without the help of this kind of gin?
5. It's in a simile for a dark and wet place.
6. Sourcing with direction precedes an order to leave - sounds like kidding, though! Well, there he is.
7. Beach where a sick sailor doesn't hesitate, we hear.
8. We may be glad of this variety of clear liquid, but its brother is said to be nobler.
9. One of a collection of soporific trees.
10. Goodbye to honeyed soil and a Yorkshire atmosphere, since she is gone too?
11. Goddess embraces mother's first boy here.
12. Gandalf 'expletifies' some of his cousins, for Bilbo has forgotten to dust the mantlepiece!
13. Head-rhyme *and* pararhyme!? It's nasal! It's nocturnal! It’s nihilistic!
14. Too many beans at the Unexpected Party? Well, the dwarves made mighty ones, but not only their very pongy soundalikes!

[Kath]

Is 3 Arod? Which unravels to road?

[Galadriel55]

7. A sick sailor sounds like ILMARIN, which is unfortunately not a beach. But it makes sense, because if sailor is mariner he loses ER ie hesitation...

[Galadriel55]

10. Is FAREWELL SWEET EARTH AND NORTHERN SKY, pointing to LUTHIEN?

[Pervinca Took]

1. He who harbours this looks out in wonder.
2. Does her bird sing as twilight approaches?
ROAD: A steed with great stamina? Well, he unravels to reveal something else that just goes on and on.
4. Hobbits sound leisurely at this point, even without the help of this kind of gin?
5. It's in a simile for a dark and wet place.
6. Sourcing with direction precedes an order to leave - sounds like kidding, though! Well, there he is.
ILMARIN: Beach where a sick sailor doesn't hesitate, we hear.
8. We may be glad of this variety of clear liquid, but its brother is said to be nobler.
9. One of a collection of soporific trees.
TINUVIEL: Goodbye to honeyed soil and a Yorkshire atmosphere, since she is gone too?
11. Goddess embraces mother's first boy here.
12. Gandalf 'expletifies' some of his cousins, for Bilbo has forgotten to dust the mantlepiece!
13. Head-rhyme *and* pararhyme!? It's nasal! It's nocturnal! It’s nihilistic!
14. Too many beans at the Unexpected Party? Well, the dwarves made mighty ones, but not only their very pongy soundalikes!

Correct answers and correct reasons. :) And Ilmarin has a strand, doesn't it?

[Mithalwen]

Last one, the dwarves of yore made mighty smells/spells?

[Pervinca Took]

1. He who harbours this looks out in wonder.
2. Does her bird sing as twilight approaches?
ROAD: A steed with great stamina? Well, he unravels to reveal something else that just goes on and on.
4. Hobbits sound leisurely at this point, even without the help of this kind of gin?
5. It's in a simile for a dark and wet place.
6. Sourcing with direction precedes an order to leave - sounds like kidding, though! Well, there he is.
ILMARIN: Beach where a sick sailor doesn't hesitate, we hear.
8. We may be glad of this variety of clear liquid, but its brother is said to be nobler.
9. One of a collection of soporific trees.
TINUVIEL: Goodbye to honeyed soil and a Yorkshire atmosphere, since she is gone too?
11. Goddess embraces mother's first boy here.
12. Gandalf 'expletifies' some of his cousins, for Bilbo has forgotten to dust the mantlepiece!
13. Head-rhyme *and* pararhyme!? It's nasal! It's nocturnal! It’s nihilistic!
SPELLS: Too many beans at the Unexpected Party? Well, the dwarves made mighty ones, but not only their very pongy soundalikes!

Indeed, Mith. :)

[Galadriel55]

The answers all seem to come from songs.

8. Cold Water?

[Pervinca Took]

1. He who harbours this looks out in wonder.
2. Does her bird sing as twilight approaches?
ROAD: A steed with great stamina? Well, he unravels to reveal something else that just goes on and on.
4. Hobbits sound leisurely at this point, even without the help of this kind of gin?
5. It's in a simile for a dark and wet place.
6. Sourcing with direction precedes an order to leave - sounds like kidding, though! Well, there he is.
ILMARIN: Beach where a sick sailor doesn't hesitate, we hear.
COLD (WATER): We may be glad of this variety of clear liquid, but its brother is said to be nobler.
9. One of a collection of soporific trees.
TINUVIEL: Goodbye to honeyed soil and a Yorkshire atmosphere, since she is gone too?
11. Goddess embraces mother's first boy here.
12. Gandalf 'expletifies' some of his cousins, for Bilbo has forgotten to dust the mantlepiece!
13. Head-rhyme *and* pararhyme!? It's nasal! It's nocturnal! It’s nihilistic!
SPELLS: Too many beans at the Unexpected Party? Well, the dwarves made mighty ones, but not only their very pongy soundalikes!

Pretty much might on the theme, G55. :)

[Galadriel55]

9. The most soporific tree that comes to mind is OLD MAN WILLOW, and he too is mentioned in at least one Tom Bom rhyme.

[Pervinca Took]

9. The most soporific tree that comes to mind is OLD MAN WILLOW, and he too is mentioned in at least one Tom Bom rhyme.

Wrong song(s), and hence wrong tree, although the willow is *one* of the soporific trees mentioned in the right sonv. Just not the one I'm looking for.

[Huinesoron]

#12: Oh Gandalf. I feel that if he knew Mr. Baggins had written him exclaiming "Great Elephants!" into the Red Book he'd have quite a bit to say to him.

Anyway: OLIPHAUNT?

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. He who harbours this looks out in wonder.
2. Does her bird sing as twilight approaches?
ROAD: A steed with great stamina? Well, he unravels to reveal something else that just goes on and on.
4. Hobbits sound leisurely at this point, even without the help of this kind of gin?
5. It's in a simile for a dark and wet place.
6. Sourcing with direction precedes an order to leave - sounds like kidding, though! Well, there he is.
ILMARIN: Beach where a sick sailor doesn't hesitate, we hear.
COLD (WATER): We may be glad of this variety of clear liquid, but its brother is said to be nobler.
9. One of a collection of soporific trees.
TINUVIEL: Goodbye to honeyed soil and a Yorkshire atmosphere, since she is gone too?
11. Goddess embraces mother's first boy here.
OLIPHAUNT: Gandalf 'expletifies' some of his cousins, for Bilbo has forgotten to dust the mantlepiece!
13. Head-rhyme *and* pararhyme!? It's nasal! It's nocturnal! It’s nihilistic!
SPELLS: Too many beans at the Unexpected Party? Well, the dwarves made mighty ones, but not only their very pongy soundalikes!

I think in the BBC Radio 'Hobbit,' Gandalf actually says 'Great Oliphaunts' instead of 'Elephants.' ;)

[Galadriel55]

No solid guesses, but here are a couple ideas.

1. HOPE kinda sounds fitting in this phrase.

5. Sounds like the beginning of The Hobbit, explaining that Bilbo's hole was wonderful in all regards - but I cannot quite place it.

[Pervinca Took]

No solid guesses, but here are a couple ideas.

1. HOPE kinda sounds fitting in this phrase.

5. Sounds like the beginning of The Hobbit, explaining that Bilbo's hole was wonderful in all regards - but I cannot quite place it.

It's 'harbours' in a more literal sense.

All the answers are from poems or songs - and each is from a different one. You need to look at the lyrics!

Not all are from the best-known works. 2 is very obscure and a trick question to boot, so leave that one until last and I'll give you a clue when more clues are guessed.

5 is not from 'The Hobbit.'

[Pervinca Took]

1. He who harbours this looks out in wonder.
2. Does her bird sing as twilight approaches?
ROAD: A steed with great stamina? Well, he unravels to reveal something else that just goes on and on. (FOTR & ROTK)
4. Hobbits sound leisurely at this point, even without the help of this kind of gin?
5. It's in a simile for a dark and wet place.
6. Sourcing with direction precedes an order to leave - sounds like kidding, though! Well, there he is.
ILMARIN: Beach where a sick sailor doesn't hesitate, we hear. (I Sang of Leaves, FOTR)
COLD (WATER): We may be glad of this variety of clear liquid, but its brother is said to be nobler. (Water Hot, FOTR)
9. One of a collection of soporific trees.
TINUVIEL: Goodbye to honeyed soil and a Yorkshire atmosphere, since she is gone too? (Farewell Sweet Earth And Northern Sky, The Silmarillion)
11. Goddess embraces mother's first boy here.
OLIPHAUNT: Gandalf 'expletifies' some of his cousins, for Bilbo has forgotten to dust the mantlepiece! (TTT)
13. Head-rhyme *and* pararhyme!? It's nasal! It's nocturnal! It’s nihilistic!
SPELLS: Too many beans at the Unexpected Party? Well, the dwarves made mighty ones, but not only their very pongy soundalikes! (Far over the misty mountains old, The Hobbit)

[Huinesoron]

#13: Do I remember the phrase "Night of Naught"? I think it fits the clue (head-rhyme, para-rhyme, both nasals, 'nocturnal' & 'nihilistic'), and it certainly sounds poetic.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. He who harbours this looks out in wonder.
2. Does her bird sing as twilight approaches?
ROAD: A steed with great stamina? Well, he unravels to reveal something else that just goes on and on. (FOTR & ROTK)
4. Hobbits sound leisurely at this point, even without the help of this kind of gin?
5. It's in a simile for a dark and wet place.
6. Sourcing with direction precedes an order to leave - sounds like kidding, though! Well, there he is.
ILMARIN: Beach where a sick sailor doesn't hesitate, we hear. (I Sang of Leaves, FOTR)
COLD (WATER): We may be glad of this variety of clear liquid, but its brother is said to be nobler. (Water Hot, FOTR)
9. One of a collection of soporific trees.
TINUVIEL: Goodbye to honeyed soil and a Yorkshire atmosphere, since she is gone too? (Farewell Sweet Earth And Northern Sky, The Silmarillion)
11. Goddess embraces mother's first boy here.
OLIPHAUNT: Gandalf 'expletifies' some of his cousins, for Bilbo has forgotten to dust the mantlepiece! (TTT)
NIGHT OF NAUGHT: Head-rhyme *and* pararhyme!? It's nasal! It's nocturnal! It’s nihilistic! (Earendil Was A Mariner, FOTR)
SPELLS: Too many beans at the Unexpected Party? Well, the dwarves made mighty ones, but not only their very pongy soundalikes! (Far Over The Misty Mountains Old, The Hobbit)

[Huinesoron]

Ooh! #4 is SLOE, right? As in slow = leisurely, and sloe gin. It's in "Upon the Hearth the Fire is Red", which probably has an actual name.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. He who harbours this looks out in wonder.
2. Does her bird sing as twilight approaches?
ROAD: A steed with great stamina? Well, he unravels to reveal something else that just goes on and on. (FOTR & ROTK)
SLOE: Hobbits sound leisurely at this point, even without the help of this kind of gin? Upon The Hearth, FOTR).
5. It's in a simile for a dark and wet place.
6. Sourcing with direction precedes an order to leave - sounds like kidding, though! Well, there he is.
ILMARIN: Beach where a sick sailor doesn't hesitate, we hear. (I Sang of Leaves, FOTR)
COLD (WATER): We may be glad of this variety of clear liquid, but its brother is said to be nobler. (Water Hot, FOTR)
9. One of a collection of soporific trees.
TINUVIEL: Goodbye to honeyed soil and a Yorkshire atmosphere, since she is gone too? (Farewell Sweet Earth And Northern Sky, The Silmarillion)
11. Goddess embraces mother's first boy here.
OLIPHAUNT: Gandalf 'expletifies' some of his cousins, for Bilbo has forgotten to dust the mantlepiece! (TTT)
NIGHT OF NAUGHT: Head-rhyme *and* pararhyme!? It's nasal! It's nocturnal! It’s nihilistic! (Earendil Was A Mariner, FOTR)
SPELLS: Too many beans at the Unexpected Party? Well, the dwarves made mighty ones, but not only their very pongy soundalikes! (Far Over The Misty Mountains Old, The Hobbit)

Indeed so!

[Galadriel55]

Which song mentions willows?

I don't recall any in The Sil.
There is various Tom Bom stuff in FORT, but it's mostly the Old Man, and I don't think they are grouped with other soporific trees.
Treebeard sings about some First Age willows, but again, nothing soporific as I recall.
Nothing that I remember in ROTK.

That leaves TH, which is not too long to search through.

Aha! Lullaby! Lullaby! ALDER and Willow!

[Pervinca Took]

1. He who harbours this looks out in wonder.
2. Does her bird sing as twilight approaches?
ROAD: A steed with great stamina? Well, he unravels to reveal something else that just goes on and on. (FOTR & ROTK)
SLOE: Hobbits sound leisurely at this point, even without the help of this kind of gin? Upon The Hearth, FOTR).
5. It's in a simile for a dark and wet place.
6. Sourcing with direction precedes an order to leave - sounds like kidding, though! Well, there he is.
ILMARIN: Beach where a sick sailor doesn't hesitate, we hear. (I Sang of Leaves, FOTR)
COLD (WATER): We may be glad of this variety of clear liquid, but its brother is said to be nobler. (Water Hot, FOTR)
ALDER: One of a collection of soporific trees. (Lullaby, The Hobbit)
TINUVIEL: Goodbye to honeyed soil and a Yorkshire atmosphere, since she is gone too? (Farewell Sweet Earth And Northern Sky, The Silmarillion)
11. Goddess embraces mother's first boy here.
OLIPHAUNT: Gandalf 'expletifies' some of his cousins, for Bilbo has forgotten to dust the mantlepiece! (TTT)
NIGHT OF NAUGHT: Head-rhyme *and* pararhyme!? It's nasal! It's nocturnal! It’s nihilistic! (Earendil Was A Mariner, FOTR)
SPELLS: Too many beans at the Unexpected Party? Well, the dwarves made mighty ones, but not only their very pongy soundalikes! (Far Over The Misty Mountains Old, The Hobbit)

That's the one! :)

[Huinesoron]

Is #5 a Mewlips reference? The poem actually features "dark and wet" in its second line. The obvious answer would be MARSH (of Tode), but I see the Mewlips don't actually live there; they live Beyond. SLIME, maybe?

Also that's a really creepy poem.

hS

[Huinesoron]

The password is clearly M'ARSENIC CATIONS, because all these songs make you think of your background manufacturing arsenites and arsenates. :D

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Is #5 a Mewlips reference? The poem actually features "dark and wet" in its second line. The obvious answer would be MARSH (of Tode), but I see the Mewlips don't actually live there; they live Beyond. SLIME, maybe?

Also that's a really creepy poem.

hS

Right poem. Right simile. The simile isn't about the slime or the marsh, though, is it? ;)

[Pervinca Took]

Copied to the next page.

1. He who harbours this looks out in wonder.
2. Does her bird sing as twilight approaches?
ROAD: A steed with great stamina? Well, he unravels to reveal something else that just goes on and on. (FOTR & ROTK)
SLOE: Hobbits sound leisurely at this point, even without the help of this kind of gin? Upon The Hearth, FOTR).
5. It's in a simile for a dark and wet place.
6. Sourcing with direction precedes an order to leave - sounds like kidding, though! Well, there he is.
ILMARIN: Beach where a sick sailor doesn't hesitate, we hear. (I Sang of Leaves, FOTR)
COLD (WATER): We may be glad of this variety of clear liquid, but its brother is said to be nobler. (Water Hot, FOTR)
ALDER: One of a collection of soporific trees. (Lullaby, The Hobbit)
TINUVIEL: Goodbye to honeyed soil and a Yorkshire atmosphere, since she is gone too? (Farewell Sweet Earth And Northern Sky, The Silmarillion)
11. Goddess embraces mother's first boy here.
OLIPHAUNT: Gandalf 'expletifies' some of his cousins, for Bilbo has forgotten to dust the mantlepiece! (TTT)
NIGHT OF NAUGHT: Head-rhyme *and* pararhyme!? It's nasal! It's nocturnal! It’s nihilistic! (Earendil Was A Mariner, FOTR)
SPELLS: Too many beans at the Unexpected Party? Well, the dwarves made mighty ones, but not only their very pongy soundalikes! (Far Over The Misty Mountains Old, The Hobbit)

[Huinesoron]

Right poem. Right simile. The simile isn't about the slime or the marsh, though, is it? ;)

I think I managed to briefly forget the definition of 'simile'. INK?

... VERSIFICATIONS for the password?

hS

[Pervinca Took]

V: He who harbours this looks out in wonder.
E: Does her bird sing as twilight approaches?
ROAD: A steed with great stamina? Well, he unravels to reveal something else that just goes on and on. (FOTR & ROTK)
SLOE: Hobbits sound leisurely at this point, even without the help of this kind of gin? (Upon The Hearth, FOTR).
INK: It's in a simile for a dark and wet place. (The Mewlips)
F: Sourcing with direction precedes an order to leave - sounds like kidding, though! Well, there he is.
ILMARIN: Beach where a sick sailor doesn't hesitate, we hear. (I Sang of Leaves, FOTR)
COLD (WATER): We may be glad of this variety of clear liquid, but its brother is said to be nobler. (Water Hot, FOTR)
ALDER: One of a collection of soporific trees. (Lullaby, The Hobbit)
TINUVIEL: Goodbye to honeyed soil and a Yorkshire atmosphere, since she is gone too? (Farewell Sweet Earth And Northern Sky, The Silmarillion)
I: Goddess embraces mother's first boy here.
OLIPHAUNT: Gandalf 'expletifies' some of his cousins, for Bilbo has forgotten to dust the mantlepiece! (TTT)
NIGHT OF NAUGHT: Head-rhyme *and* pararhyme!? It's nasal! It's nocturnal! It’s nihilistic! (Earendil Was A Mariner, FOTR)
SPELLS: Too many beans at the Unexpected Party? Well, the dwarves made mighty ones, but not only their very pongy soundalikes! (Far Over The Misty Mountains Old, The Hobbit)

Well done. :)

The second clue is a trick question. Look on page 25, (Arabic numerals, not Roman), of Kullervo. :D

[Galadriel55]

V must be for VINGILOT. And the description makes sense for Earendil. But I can't recall a matching line in Bilbo's song. Besides, that song was already used. Is it the other version, Errantry?

[Pervinca Took]

VINGELOT: He who harbours this looks out in wonder. (Lost Tales II)
E: Does her bird sing as twilight approaches?
ROAD: A steed with great stamina? Well, he unravels to reveal something else that just goes on and on. (FOTR & ROTK)
SLOE: Hobbits sound leisurely at this point, even without the help of this kind of gin? (Upon The Hearth, FOTR).
INK: It's in a simile for a dark and wet place. (The Mewlips)
F: Sourcing with direction precedes an order to leave - sounds like kidding, though! Well, there he is.
ILMARIN: Beach where a sick sailor doesn't hesitate, we hear. (I Sang of Leaves, FOTR)
COLD (WATER): We may be glad of this variety of clear liquid, but its brother is said to be nobler. (Water Hot, FOTR)
ALDER: One of a collection of soporific trees. (Lullaby, The Hobbit)
TINUVIEL: Goodbye to honeyed soil and a Yorkshire atmosphere, since she is gone too? (Farewell Sweet Earth And Northern Sky, The Silmarillion)
I: Goddess embraces mother's first boy here.
OLIPHAUNT: Gandalf 'expletifies' some of his cousins, for Bilbo has forgotten to dust the mantlepiece! (TTT)
NIGHT OF NAUGHT: Head-rhyme *and* pararhyme!? It's nasal! It's nocturnal! It’s nihilistic! (Earendil Was A Mariner, FOTR)
SPELLS: Too many beans at the Unexpected Party? Well, the dwarves made mighty ones, but not only their very pongy soundalikes! (Far Over The Misty Mountains Old, The Hobbit)

See above.

[Huinesoron]

I: IMLADRIS? Because... it's got 'lad' in the middle, and Boromir was a first-born who carried the rhyme that names it.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

VINGELOT: He who harbours this looks out in wonder. (Lost Tales II)
E: Does her bird sing as twilight approaches?
ROAD: A steed with great stamina? Well, he unravels to reveal something else that just goes on and on. (FOTR & ROTK)
SLOE: Hobbits sound leisurely at this point, even without the help of this kind of gin? (Upon The Hearth, FOTR).
INK: It's in a simile for a dark and wet place. (The Mewlips)
F: Sourcing with direction precedes an order to leave - sounds like kidding, though! Well, there he is.
ILMARIN: Beach where a sick sailor doesn't hesitate, we hear. (I Sang of Leaves, FOTR)
COLD (WATER): We may be glad of this variety of clear liquid, but its brother is said to be nobler. (Water Hot, FOTR)
ALDER: One of a collection of soporific trees. (Lullaby, The Hobbit)
TINUVIEL: Goodbye to honeyed soil and a Yorkshire atmosphere, since she is gone too? (Farewell Sweet Earth And Northern Sky, The Silmarillion)
IMLADRIS: Goddess embraces mother's first boy here. (Seek for the Sword that was Broken, FOTR)
OLIPHAUNT: Gandalf 'expletifies' some of his cousins, for Bilbo has forgotten to dust the mantlepiece! (TTT)
NIGHT OF NAUGHT: Head-rhyme *and* pararhyme!? It's nasal! It's nocturnal! It’s nihilistic! (Earendil Was A Mariner, FOTR)
SPELLS: Too many beans at the Unexpected Party? Well, the dwarves made mighty ones, but not only their very pongy soundalikes! (Far Over The Misty Mountains Old, The Hobbit)

Correct, but it's IRIS embracing the first letter of M(other) and LAD.

[Galadriel55]

F: Sourcing with direction precedes an order to leave - sounds like kidding, though! Well, there he is.

I got as far as FROM + GO, which admittedly is not very far. :Merisu:

[Pervinca Took]

I got as far as FROM + GO, which admittedly is not very far. :Merisu:

What's another word for kidding?

[Galadriel55]

What's another word for kidding?

Joking. Joshing. Jesting. :confused:

[Pervinca Took]

More like messing about. ;)

[Galadriel55]

More like messing about. ;)

Teasing? Goofing? Fooling around? Fiddling? Frolicking? I'm trying to incorporate an F in there...

[Pervinca Took]

One of those is right. ;)

And the song/poem is not in LOTR or TH.

[Galadriel55]

A completely unexplained guess of Felagund / Finrod, because I would kick myself so hard if it was him all along, given that I spent the last several days surrounded by references to him. :rolleyes:

[Pervinca Took]

It's a rarer name than that.

[Huinesoron]

One of those is right. ;)

And the song/poem is not in LOTR or TH.

I quite like 'goof', because it's almost 'go off', which could be an order to leave. Then we'd need to stick 'sourcing with direction' on the beginning, which given the F I want to be 'font' + a direction letter.

Except that doesn't come together to make a name, which is a slight problem. :D

I think at this point we're going to need some hints for both of them. I don't own Kullervo, so that clue can't help me. :)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

OK, the F clue's answer can be found in HOME 3, 'The Lays Of Beleriand.'

It's not 'goof.' It's one of the others Galadriel suggested, but without the adjacent preposition. ;)

I could take a picture of the relevant page from 'Kullervo,' but could I upload such a picture here, and if so, how?

[Huinesoron]

OK, the F clue's answer can be found in HOME 3, 'The Lays Of Beleriand.'

It's not 'goof.' It's one of the others Galadriel suggested, but without the adjacent preposition. ;)[/quotes]

[Picks up Lays of Beleriand, opens to a random page]

Then he woke in wonder; his wit was healed,
courage him comforted, and he called alloud
Flinding go-Fuilin, to his feet striding.

... FUILIN? As an alternate/early name of Guilin father of Gwindor?

I mean, I can't fit it to any of the rest of the clue, but that's never stopped me before!

[QUOTE=Pervinca Took;728124]I could take a picture of the relevant page from 'Kullervo,' but could I upload such a picture here, and if so, how?

Um. The Downs doesn't have its own image hosting, does it? In which case, I think you'd need to upload it somewhere (imgur is pretty simple to use) and use the Insert Image button to add it to a post.

Or put it up on a Google Doc and link to it? I don't know, anything like that.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

VINGELOT: He who harbours this looks out in wonder. (Lost Tales II)
E: Does her bird sing as twilight approaches?
ROAD: A steed with great stamina? Well, he unravels to reveal something else that just goes on and on. (FOTR & ROTK)
SLOE: Hobbits sound leisurely at this point, even without the help of this kind of gin? (Upon The Hearth, FOTR).
INK: It's in a simile for a dark and wet place. (The Mewlips)
FLINDING-GO-FUILIN: Sourcing with direction precedes an order to leave - sounds like kidding, though! Well, there he is. (The Lays Of Beleriand)
ILMARIN: Beach where a sick sailor doesn't hesitate, we hear. (I Sang of Leaves, FOTR)
COLD (WATER): We may be glad of this variety of clear liquid, but its brother is said to be nobler. (Water Hot, FOTR)
ALDER: One of a collection of soporific trees. (Lullaby, The Hobbit)
TINUVIEL: Goodbye to honeyed soil and a Yorkshire atmosphere, since she is gone too? (Farewell Sweet Earth And Northern Sky, The Silmarillion)
IMLADRIS: Goddess embraces mother's first boy here. (Seek for the Sword that was Broken, FOTR)
OLIPHAUNT: Gandalf 'expletifies' some of his cousins, for Bilbo has forgotten to dust the mantlepiece! (TTT)
NIGHT OF NAUGHT: Head-rhyme *and* pararhyme!? It's nasal! It's nocturnal! It’s nihilistic! (Earendil Was A Mariner, FOTR)
SPELLS: Too many beans at the Unexpected Party? Well, the dwarves made mighty ones, but not only their very pongy soundalikes! (Far Over The Misty Mountains Old, The Hobbit)

Sourcing with direction precedes an order to leave - sounds like kidding, though! Well, there he is.

Sourcing = FINDING
Sourcing with direction = FLINDING
An order to leave = GO
Sounds like kidding = FUILIN

Simples! ;)

[Galadriel55]

... FUILIN? As an alternate/early name of Guilin father of Gwindor?

I mean, I can't fit it to any of the rest of the clue, but that's never stopped me before!

Good find!

I don't have Kullervo either, and Google doesn't yield an easily accessible character list from that work. I feel like we might need to either capitulate on this one, or beg for a clue we can solve working forwards. :)

[Pervinca Took]

OK then. From page 25 of 'The Story Of Kullervo' :-

'When the sun to rest has sunken
And the bird of Eve is singing
As the twilight draweth closer
Speak thou to my horned creatures
Saying come ye hoofed cattle
Come ye homeward trending homeward.'

[Galadriel55]

And the bird of Eve is singing

Yeah, this one had to be given to us. I would never have been able to guess it without your quote. :)

[Pervinca Took]

VINGELOT: He who harbours this looks out in wonder. (The Shores Of Faery, Lost Tales II)
EVE: Does her bird sing as twilight approaches? (The Story Of Kullervo, Page 25)
ROAD: A steed with great stamina? Well, he unravels to reveal something else that just goes on and on. (FOTR & ROTK)
SLOE: Hobbits sound leisurely at this point, even without the help of this kind of gin? (Upon The Hearth, FOTR).
INK: It's in a simile for a dark and wet place. (The Mewlips)
FLINDING-GO-FUILIN: Sourcing with direction precedes an order to leave - sounds like kidding, though! Well, there he is. (The Lays Of Beleriand)
ILMARIN: Beach where a sick sailor doesn't hesitate, we hear. (I Sang of Leaves, FOTR)
COLD (WATER): We may be glad of this variety of clear liquid, but its brother is said to be nobler. (Water Hot, FOTR)
ALDER: One of a collection of soporific trees. (Lullaby, The Hobbit)
TINUVIEL: Goodbye to honeyed soil and a Yorkshire atmosphere, since she is gone too? (Farewell Sweet Earth And Northern Sky, The Silmarillion)
IMLADRIS: Goddess embraces mother's first boy here. (Seek for the Sword that was Broken, FOTR)
OLIPHAUNT: Gandalf 'expletifies' some of his cousins, for Bilbo has forgotten to dust the mantlepiece! (TTT)
NIGHT OF NAUGHT: Head-rhyme *and* pararhyme!? It's nasal! It's nocturnal! It’s nihilistic! (Earendil Was A Mariner, FOTR)
SPELLS: Too many beans at the Unexpected Party? Well, the dwarves made mighty ones, but not only their very pongy soundalikes! (Far Over The Misty Mountains Old, The Hobbit)

I wanted to include some of the rarer tomes and verses too. ;)

About Vingelot: although Wingelot is the spelling in 'The Shores Of Faery' as it's printed in Lost Tales II, Vingelot does appear in footnotes as a variant.

Well done, thank you for your patience, and over, I think, to Huinesoron!

[Huinesoron]

Phew - that was a tough one! Nicely done, Pervinca.

I do remember I need to do this, and I even have an idea - just haven't put it together yet.

EDIT: And now I have.

1. - Monstrous craven lord
2. - A dullard slow
3. - Faithless lords untrue
4. - Robber
5. - Poor rejected beggar
6. - Fickle folk
7. - Wrought of lies and guile

hS

[Urwen]

3 sounds like that person.

So does 5. :p

[Urwen]

And Salgant was described as a craven in the text, and was an accomplice during the FoG.

Therefore, I will deduce say that 1 is Salgant and 3 is Glindur. You're welcome.

[Huinesoron]

And Salgant was described as a craven in the text, and was an accomplice during the FoG.

Therefore, I will deduce say that 1 is Salgant and 3 is Glindur. You're welcome.

Hi! Given how long the last password went on, it feels like ages since I've seen you. :)

Anyway, no to either of these.

hS

[Urwen]

Hi! Given how long the last password went on, it feels like ages since I've seen you. :)

Anyway, no to either of these.

hS


It would have been fitting, though. :(

Could the last one be the One Ring?

Then again, the password would end in either T or O, and it would be an atypical ending to one...

[Urwen]

Theme seems to be untrustworthy folk or things, to which both Salgant and Glindur would fit in.

[Galadriel55]

5. Saruman?

[Pervinca Took]

6. ELVES, who say both Yes and No?

[Huinesoron]

Could the last one be the One Ring?

Then again, the password would end in either T or O, and it would be an atypical ending to one...

It is not.

Theme seems to be untrustworthy folk or things, to which both Salgant and Glindur would fit in.

And this is not the theme. :)

5. Saruman?

Nope.

6. ELVES, who say both Yes and No?

No.

Well, yes, in that the answer is some subset of elves, but no.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

5. Wormtongue?

[Urwen]

6. Noldor?

[Blind Guardian]

4. - Robber
Bilbo?

7. - Wrought of lies and guile
The Nazgul?

[Huinesoron]

5. Wormtongue?

Nope.

6. Noldor?

Nope, but the same sort of nope.

Bilbo?

The Nazgul?

Nope nope.

The question 'according to who?' was on my mind while making this one. Not sure if that'll help.

hS

[Urwen]

Teleri/Sindar?

[Blind Guardian]

4. - Robber


According to who...Well Melkor was a thief according to...everyone, but mainly Feanor.

And Bilbo was a "burglar" according to the Dwarves and Smaug.

And Frodo was a thief according to Gollum (at least in the movies Gollum directly called Frodo a thief. I don't remember the books very well).

And technically Luthien and Beren were thieves since they stole the Silmarils from Melkor.

I don't recall anyone being directly called a robber. Maybe the Sackville Baggins for stealing Bilbo's spoons?

[Huinesoron]

Teleri/Sindar?

Debatably also 'no in the same sense'.

According to who...Well Melkor was a thief according to...everyone, but mainly Feanor.

And Bilbo was a "burglar" according to the Dwarves and Smaug.

And Frodo was a thief according to Gollum (at least in the movies Gollum directly called Frodo a thief. I don't remember the books very well).

And technically Luthien and Beren were thieves since they stole the Silmarils from Melkor.

I don't recall anyone being directly called a robber. Maybe the Sackville Baggins for stealing Bilbo's spoons?

Tolkien would almost certainly have distinguished between burglar (breaks into a house to steal stuff), thief (steals from someone without their knowledge) and robber (steals from someone by threat or use of force). Melkor, Bilbo, and Beren and Luthien were all burglars; Bilbo (for the Ring) and Lobelia were thieves. I believe the burglary trumps the use of force in Melkor's case, though I can't say for sure. Ungoliant was an (attempted) robber when she attacked Melkor. It's not her, though.

In this case, the word is straight from the text. Whether it's true or not... ah, that would be telling.

hS

[Urwen]

Nandor? Avari? Vanyar? Falathrim? Silvan? Wood-elves?

[Huinesoron]

Nandor? Avari? Vanyar? Falathrim? Silvan? Wood-elves?

Oh, I see where I've been unclear. When I was pointing back to this:

Well, yes, in that the answer is some subset of elves, but no.

I meant 'in the same way, the answer is some subset of [your answer]'.

EDIT: For the new page:

1. - Monstrous craven lord
2. - A dullard slow
3. - Faithless lords untrue
4. - Robber
5. - Poor rejected beggar
6. - Fickle folk
7. - Wrought of lies and guile

hS

[Urwen]

So some subset of Noldor and Teleri? Silvan or Wood-Elves are the only ones that are an off-shoot branch of both.

Alternatively, both Noldor and Sindar (a subset of Teleri) eventually settled into Middle Earth. Then there is Glindur, who had both Noldor and Teleri blood. Or Orcs, who were presumably enslaved indiscriminately...

[Huinesoron]

So some subset of Noldor and Teleri? Silvan or Wood-Elves are the only ones that are an off-shoot branch of both.

Alternatively, both Noldor and Sindar (a subset of Teleri) eventually settled into Middle Earth. Then there is Glindur, who had both Noldor and Teleri blood. Or Orcs, who were presumably enslaved indiscriminately...

I think you're taking 'subset' too literally (or not literally enough?). 'Gwindor and Beleg' would be a subset of both Noldor and Sindar, as would 'the population of Rivendell'.

There is a very, very strong theme to this password; I suspect they'll all fall in rapid succession.

hS

[Urwen]

How about those Elves that Frodo and Sam saw that were returning to Aman?

Or maybe Gondolindrim, who were all about keeping the new arrivals there, but allowed dad and uncle to leave freely?

[Huinesoron]

How about those Elves that Frodo and Sam saw that were returning to Aman?

Or maybe Gondolindrim, who were all about keeping the new arrivals there, but allowed dad and uncle to leave freely?

No, but you're getting closer.

I will offer a probably-useless hint and tell you that #6 is in the author's voice.

hS

[Urwen]

I would continue, but I don't know which guess is 'getting closer', the people of Gondolin or the departing Elves.

Unless it's them (http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/House_of_the_Mole)...

[Huinesoron]

I would continue, but I don't know which guess is 'getting closer', the people of Gondolin or the departing Elves.

Both, though in different ways.

Unless it's them (http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/House_of_the_Mole)...

It is not.

hS

[Urwen]

Galdor and Glorfindel?

[Huinesoron]

Galdor and Glorfindel?

Ah, yes, from the famous quote in the Council of Elrond:

Beside Glorfindel there were several other fickle folk of Elrond's household, of whom Erestor was the chief; and with him was Galdor, an Elf from the Grey Havens who had come on an errand from Círdan the Shipwright, and was indeed as fickle as the rest of them. Fickleness was in fashion in Imladris at that time, and well-nigh all of Elrond's folk had turned to it.

Or maybe not. ;)

hS

[Urwen]

So you're saying that this subset were described as fickle in the text?


Well, time to turn to my old friend, TG search box...

[Urwen]

2. Orodreth
3. Celegorm and Curufin?
6. Elves of Lorien?

[Urwen]

5. Gwindor or Brandir, possibly?

[Urwen]

1. Morgoth?

In which case, the password could be 'mocking' or 'mockery'.

[Huinesoron]

2. Orodreth
3. Celegorm and Curufin?
6. Elves of Lorien?

5. Gwindor or Brandir, possibly?

1. Morgoth?

In which case, the password could be 'mocking' or 'mockery'.

Yes, yes, no, no, yes, yes. :)

MORGOTH - Monstrous craven lord (per Fingolfin)
ORODRETH - A dullard slow (per Curufin)
CELEGORM & CURUFIN - Faithless lords untrue (per the people of Nargothrond)
4. K - Robber
5. I - Poor rejected beggar
6. N - Fickle folk
7. G - Wrought of lies and guile

hS

[Urwen]

And there is a snag. No 'K' characters are described as 'robber' in the text...

[Urwen]

Anyway, 7: Gurthang?

[Huinesoron]

And there is a snag. No 'K' characters are described as 'robber' in the text...

I admit that one had to be pushed a bit for the letter, but I promise it's there.

Anyway, 7: Gurthang?

Nope!

hS

[Urwen]

If we go by first letter, then Khamul is the best fit. If we go by non-first letter, then Lobelia is...

And wrought could also mean 'born'...

[Urwen]

Lies and guile makes me think of Melkor's lies to the Noldor leaders, so is the word 'GULF' by any chance?

[Huinesoron]

If we go by first letter, then Khamul is the best fit. If we go by non-first letter, then Lobelia is...

Nope and nope.

And wrought could also mean 'born'...

In this case it technically means neither.

Lies and guile makes me think of Melkor's lies to the Noldor leaders, so is the word 'GULF' by any chance?

Nope, though you're thinking down the right sort of lines.

hS

[Urwen]

Grief?

[Pervinca Took]

4. Bill Ferny?

[Urwen]

4. Bill Ferny?
:confused:

[Huinesoron]

Grief?

Not those right sort of lines.

4. Bill Ferny?

Nope. This particular person being accused of being a Robber is generally seen as a goodie.

hS

[Urwen]

And it doesn't have the letter K in it either. :facepalm:

[Urwen]

Anyway, Kili?

[Huinesoron]

Anyway, Kili?

Nope.

The K is a title; you need the title and a person attached to it.

hS

[Urwen]

Thingol (according to SoF)

[Huinesoron]

Thingol (according to SoF)

Right answer, wrong attribution!

MORGOTH - Monstrous craven lord (per Fingolfin)
ORODRETH - A dullard slow (per Curufin)
CELEGORM & CURUFIN - Faithless lords untrue (per the people of Nargothrond)
KING THINGOL - Robber (per Sauron)
5. I - Poor rejected beggar
6. N - Fickle folk
7. G - Wrought of lies and guile


"Boldog, I hear, was lately slain
warring on the borders of that domain
where Robber Thingol and outlaw folk
cringe and crawl beneath elm and oak
in drear Doriath.

hS

[Urwen]

5. Incanus?

[Huinesoron]

5. Incanus?

Nope.

The theme is not just 'mocking'. It is much stronger than that.

hS

[Urwen]

Are the remaining letters first letters of answers, or not?

[Huinesoron]

Are the remaining letters first letters of answers, or not?

They are. #6 is a denonym for a group, while #5 and #7 are single-word personal names.

hS

[Urwen]

6. Nandor (it's the only remaining group beginning with N)

[Huinesoron]

6. Nandor (it's the only remaining group beginning with N)

No it isn't.

hS

[Urwen]

No it isn't.

hS

This says otherwise. (http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Category:Elves)

[Galadriel55]

I am ashamed to say I that my memory of these direct quotes is sadly lacking. I feel like 7 might be applicable to Glaurung, but I also have a feeling that he doesn't quite fit the theme.

[Huinesoron]

This says otherwise. (http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Category:Elves)

Oh! Well, I must not have written a clue starting with N and using a direct quote referring directly to a group of Elves.

Or -- maybe I did.

I am ashamed to say I that my memory of these direct quotes is sadly lacking. I feel like 7 might be applicable to Glaurung, but I also have a feeling that he doesn't quite fit the theme.

You're going to feel very silly.

Not Glaurung.

hS

[Urwen]

Oh! Well, I must not have written a clue starting with N and using a direct quote referring directly to a group of Elves.
hS

Then how do you explain this group not being on TG? Everything there is to know is on there, so why isn't it?

Furthermore, I only have core books (e.g. LOTR, Hobbit, Silm, CoH) and FoG. Things like Lay of Leithian and all that are not in my possession, so if you expect me to get the clues from anything I don't own, then know that it won't happen.