Password

[Urwen]

Not the correct abbreviation of Russian, and dot is not relevant to the answer.

hS


RU, then?

[Huinesoron]

3. Earendil? Or Earendel?

Correct person, but wrong name.

RU, then?

Yep.

hS

[Urwen]

Aerendil? Aerennel?

[Pervinca Took]

3. Az-rub-el.

[Urwen]

Ru+in backwards = runi...

[Pervinca Took]

Password: STARBROW?

[Huinesoron]

3. Az-rub-el.

That's 'im!

Ru+in backwards = runi...

I do not know where you've got 'in backwards' from, but it's not part of the answer.

Password: STARBROW?

Correct.

SILMARIEN - An older sister, almost a maid, lies nearly backward at first. - ...the Elendilmir itself, the white star of Elvish crystal upon a fillet of mithril that had descended from Silmarien...
TELCONTAR - The king is back - let a criminal rat be back too. - ...before all went Aragorn... and upon his brow was the Star of Elendil.
AZRUBEL - From beginning to end, a massage from the midst of Hell for the father of kings. - ...Eärendil... stood now most often at the prow of Vingilot, and the Silmaril was bound upon his brow...
4. R - The tall game of removal: a short Russian holds the three of diamonds (fake) at the back.
5. B - Look northward, bow, glare - or something like that, anyway.
ELROHIR - Break a hire around a torn and shortened roll, end up younger by half. - ...and Elladan and Elrohir with stars on their brow...
7. O - Turn tail, jeweller! Fear the doubled vowel with no injection.
8. W - In the middle of the evening, they are when you forget, eh?

hS

[Urwen]

Oh, it doesn't say 'in back', it says 'at back'.


So it's RU+something+TA, which is AT backwards...

[Huinesoron]

Oh, it doesn't say 'in back', it says 'at back'.


So it's RU+something+TA, which is AT backwards...

It doesn't say that either; it says "at the back", which in this case indicates "use the last letter".

EDIT: Nor is that the start of the clue...

hS

[Urwen]

Well, then you changed the meaning of 'at the back' clue since last time you've used it. >.>

[Huinesoron]

Well, then you changed the meaning of 'at the back' clue since last time you've used it. >.>

Er, yes, quite possibly. I make these things up as I go along; a given part of a clue will have different meanings depending on the context. If something doesn't work one way, try interpreting it a different way.

I will also note, relevant to several clues, that punctuation marks are almost always irrelevant to the clue. Sometimes they even break up a single part of the clue, as in #2 "back - let".

hS

[Urwen]

7. Feanaro, then?

[Huinesoron]

7. Feanaro, then?

Dat's der birdie.

SILMARIEN - An older sister, almost a maid, lies nearly backward at first. - ...the Elendilmir itself, the white star of Elvish crystal upon a fillet of mithril that had descended from Silmarien...
TELCONTAR - The king is back - let a criminal rat be back too. - ...before all went Aragorn... and upon his brow was the Star of Elendil.
AZRUBEL - From beginning to end, a massage from the midst of Hell for the father of kings. - ...Eärendil... stood now most often at the prow of Vingilot, and the Silmaril was bound upon his brow...
4. R - The tall game of removal: a short Russian holds the three of diamonds (fake) at the back.
5. B - Look northward, bow, glare - or something like that, anyway.
ELROHIR - Break a hire around a torn and shortened roll, end up younger by half. - ...and Elladan and Elrohir with stars on their brow...
FEANARO - Turn tail, jeweller! Fear the doubled vowel with no injection. - ...at great feasts Fëanor would wear them, blazing on his brow...
8. W - In the middle of the evening, they are when you forget, eh?

hS

[Urwen]

The rest are too difficult, so I'll leave them to Pervinca.

[Pervinca Took]

The only other person I remember having a star upon her brows is Nimrodel. And she doesn't seem to fit anywhere.

[Pervinca Took]

Is 8 ARWEN, with the W in the middle? She's the Evening/Evenstar of her people.

Oh ... 'are when' ... not sure about 'forget,' though.

[Pervinca Took]

Is 5 BAUGLIR (bow glare) and a reference to the Iron Crown?

[Galadriel55]

I feel like my only thought so far is that a tall game of removal sounds like Jenga. Jengaru, anyone?

[Huinesoron]

The only other person I remember having a star upon her brows is Nimrodel. And she doesn't seem to fit anywhere.

She's not in there, which is a shame because I really wanted her to be. Hilariously, while grabbing one of the quotes for the completed clues I found yet another starbrow, who... still wouldn't have been useful. XD

Is 8 ARWEN, with the W in the middle? She's the Evening/Evenstar of her people.

Oh ... 'are when' ... not sure about 'forget,' though.

AREWHEN, but forget EH... :D

Is 5 BAUGLIR (bow glare) and a reference to the Iron Crown?

Entirely correct!

I feel like my only thought so far is that a tall game of removal sounds like Jenga. Jengaru, anyone?

The game of removal is not tall. :) So this last clue is a combination of three cryptic parts, to give a secondary name of one character.

SILMARIEN - An older sister, almost a maid, lies nearly backward at first. - ...the Elendilmir itself, the white star of Elvish crystal upon a fillet of mithril that had descended from Silmarien...
TELCONTAR - The king is back - let a criminal rat be back too. - ...before all went Aragorn... and upon his brow was the Star of Elendil.
AZRUBEL - From beginning to end, a massage from the midst of Hell for the father of kings. - ...Eärendil... stood now most often at the prow of Vingilot, and the Silmaril was bound upon his brow...
4. R - The tall game of removal: a short Russian holds the three of diamonds (fake) at the back.
BAUGLIR - Look northward, bow, glare - or something like that, anyway. - ...the Silmarils in the crown on Morgoth's head blazed forth suddenly with a radiance of white flame...
ELROHIR - Break a hire around a torn and shortened roll, end up younger by half. - ...and Elladan and Elrohir with stars on their brow...
FEANARO - Turn tail, jeweller! Fear the doubled vowel with no injection. - ...at great feasts Fëanor would wear them, blazing on his brow...
ARWEN - In the middle of the evening, they are when you forget, eh? - ...Arwen... glimmering in the evening, with stars on her brow and a sweet fragrance about her...

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Maybe 'the tall' means a character referred to as 'the Tall,' like Elendil.

Wasn't TUOR uncommonly tall?

It's not a secondary name, though.

[Huinesoron]

Maybe 'the tall' means a character referred to as 'the Tall,' like Elendil.

It does. :D Now look for another name.

(The tall: ) game of removal | a short Russian (holds the) | [three of | diamonds (fake)] (at the back).

New page:

SILMARIEN - An older sister, almost a maid, lies nearly backward at first. - ...the Elendilmir itself, the white star of Elvish crystal upon a fillet of mithril that had descended from Silmarien...
TELCONTAR - The king is back - let a criminal rat be back too. - ...before all went Aragorn... and upon his brow was the Star of Elendil.
AZRUBEL - From beginning to end, a massage from the midst of Hell for the father of kings. - ...Eärendil... stood now most often at the prow of Vingilot, and the Silmaril was bound upon his brow...
4. R - The tall game of removal: a short Russian holds the three of diamonds (fake) at the back.
BAUGLIR - Look northward, bow, glare - or something like that, anyway. - ...the Silmarils in the crown on Morgoth's head blazed forth suddenly with a radiance of white flame...
ELROHIR - Break a hire around a torn and shortened roll, end up younger by half. - ...and Elladan and Elrohir with stars on their brow...
FEANARO - Turn tail, jeweller! Fear the doubled vowel with no injection. - ...at great feasts Fëanor would wear them, blazing on his brow...
ARWEN - In the middle of the evening, they are when you forget, eh? - ...Arwen... glimmering in the evening, with stars on her brow and a sweet fragrance about her...

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Game of removal ...

Got it!

Strip poker!

[Huinesoron]

Game of removal ...

Got it!

Strip poker!

Correct! Strippocerru, the Avarin bard who wrote the famous ballad My People Were Fair and Had Sky in Their Hair... But Now They're Content to Wear Stars on Their Brows.

No, wait. :D

So: the game is a mathematical one that apparently originated in China. The short Russian I think we've got. The diamonds (fake)... well, I did my master's project in crystallography if that helps, but no chemical knowledge is required. Three is three. :)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Hmmm.

NIM-RU-ZIR, if such a person exists?

ZIR for 3 letters from Zircona?

'NIM' means 'take' - Modern German 'nehmen' with an Old English cognate. Hence NYM, a petty thief in the Henry IV plays.

...

Gadzooks! It's only the Adunaic name for the conspicuously absent Elendil the Tall! From 'Nimruzirim,' meaning Elf-Friends, I do believe.

[Huinesoron]

Hmmm.

NIM-RU-ZIR, if such a person exists?

ZIR for 3 letters from Zircona?

'NIM' means 'take' - Modern German 'nehmen' with an Old English cognate. Hence NYM, a petty thief in the Henry IV plays.

...

Gadzooks! It's only the Adunaic name for the conspicuously absent Elendil the Tall! From 'Nimruzirim,' meaning Elf-Friends, I do believe.

Bingo! (Not that Bingo.) Nim is a game (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nim) - a relative of the one where you count to 21 in ones, twos, and threes. And cubic zirconia for the jewel.

SILMARIEN - An older sister, almost a maid, lies nearly backward at first. - ...the Elendilmir itself, the white star of Elvish crystal upon a fillet of mithril that had descended from Silmarien...
TELCONTAR - The king is back - let a criminal rat be back too. - ...before all went Aragorn... and upon his brow was the Star of Elendil.
AZRUBEL - From beginning to end, a massage from the midst of Hell for the father of kings. - ...Eärendil... stood now most often at the prow of Vingilot, and the Silmaril was bound upon his brow...
NIMRUZIR - The tall game of removal: a short Russian holds the three of diamonds (fake) at the back. - ...the Elendilmir... had descended from Silmarien to Elendil, and had been taken by him as the token of royalty in the North Kingdom.
BAUGLIR - Look northward, bow, glare - or something like that, anyway. - ...the Silmarils in the crown on Morgoth's head blazed forth suddenly with a radiance of white flame...
ELROHIR - Break a hire around a torn and shortened roll, end up younger by half. - ...and Elladan and Elrohir with stars on their brow...
FEANARO - Turn tail, jeweller! Fear the doubled vowel with no injection. - ...at great feasts Fëanor would wear them, blazing on his brow...
ARWEN - In the middle of the evening, they are when you forget, eh? - ...Arwen... glimmering in the evening, with stars on her brow and a sweet fragrance about her...

Other attested starbrows are Nimrodel, Isildur (wearing the Elendilmir when he died), Valandil (for whom the second Elendilmir was made), and Erendis ("thus she was known far and wide as Tar-Elestirnë, the Lady of the Star-brow"). The other Kings of Arnor probably wore the second Elendilmir, but they're not individually confirmed. There's also a line in UT which implies the later Numenorean Kings and Queens followed Erendis' example, but it's none too solid. And of course, there's Smith of Wootton Major, from whom the term comes.

Tolkien really liked tying gems to people's foreheads, is what I'm saying. :)

Over to you, Pervinca, and good job everyone!

[Pervinca Took]

That was another excellent password, especially given how hard it's getting to think of new themes.

I found NIM by googling for mathematical games of removal, since I knew Suduko was about insertion, not removal, and didn't know any others. I just added the etymology comments as a thought on the side.

Hope you like this one:

1. A place for a soap opera?
2. Could be a pioneer girl; could leapfrog for a listening exam.
3. He’s monstrous in Galaxy Quest.
4. They’re very musical.
5. Twelfth king, or one of Martin’s women?
6. A city on the Orontes. Is he?
7. She’s fragrant, and Chaucerian.
8. She was a Seventies copper. Different gender, though.
9. That Crabtree! He’s a rugby player!

[Urwen]

Some of Martin's women are named Walda, and so is the 12th King of Rohan

[Urwen]

6. And googling city on the Orontes gives me Hama.

[Urwen]

7. Eglantine?

[Urwen]

9. Eorl?

I can see the theme forming. The only hurdle is that Eglantine doesn't fit...

[Urwen]

3 doesn't seem to match any Tolkien name. The closest I can get is Gorignak...

[Pervinca Took]

1. A place for a soap opera?
2. Could be a pioneer girl; could leapfrog for a listening exam.
3. He’s monstrous in Galaxy Quest.
4. They’re very musical.
WALDA: Twelfth king, or one of Martin’s women?
HAMA: A city on the Orontes. Is he?
EGLANTINE: She’s fragrant, and Chaucerian.
8. She was a Seventies copper. Different gender, though.
EORL: That Crabtree! He’s a rugby player!

[Urwen]

3 doesn't seem to match any Tolkien name. The closest I can get is Gorignak...


????

[Pervinca Took]

If it had been correct, I would have put it in.

[Urwen]

Password: Elsewhere?

[Urwen]

If it had been correct, I would have put it in.


Well, none of the other characters fit, hence the question marks...

[Urwen]

Okay, so for 2...if 'listening' = 'aural' and 'exam' = 'grubb test', it adds up to Laura Grubb.

[Urwen]

Also, for 1, are we talking about a specific soap opera?


Then again, you won't see these until sometime tomorrow, so I won't hold my breath.

[Urwen]

1. Somerset...?

[Pervinca Took]

Well, none of the other characters fit, hence the question marks...

None of the other characters fit what?

[Pervinca Took]

E A place for a soap opera?
LAURA: Could be a pioneer girl; could leapfrog for a listening exam.
S He’s monstrous in Galaxy Quest.
E They’re very musical.
WALDA: Twelfth king, or one of Martin’s women?
HAMA: A city on the Orontes. Is he?
EGLANTINE: She’s fragrant, and Chaucerian.
R She was a Seventies copper. Different gender, though.
EORL: That Crabtree! He’s a rugby player!

Yes, a specific soap opera.

No, not Somerset.

Laura Ingalls Wilder was a pioneer girl. An aural test is part of Modern Language exams. Laura Grubb is the only Laura I know of in the Legendarium, but I don't know anything about a Grubb test.

[Urwen]

None of the other characters fit what?


Well, I've looked at Galaxy Quest characters and none of them has a Tolkien name.

[Urwen]

Oh, wait, I've missed one.


Sam for 3

[Urwen]

4. Elves?
1. Everdale?

[Urwen]

8. Ruby?

[Pervinca Took]

E A place for a soap opera?
LAURA: Could be a pioneer girl; could leapfrog for a listening exam.
S He advocates teenage kicks.
E They’re very musical.
WALDA: Twelfth king, or one of Martin’s women?
HAMA: A city on the Orontes. Is he?
EGLANTINE: She’s fragrant, and Chaucerian.
R She was a Seventies copper. Different gender, though.
EORL: That Crabtree! He’s a rugby player!

Sorry - truly believed the monster in Galaxy Quest was called Saeros. But it's Sarris.

I have therefore found another answer for that one, and rewritten the clue.

No to all recent guesses.

[Urwen]

Maybe some hints, plural?

[Urwen]

Rose?

[Pervinca Took]

Hints soon. Let's let the others have a go first.

No to Rose. But close.

[Urwen]

I am trying to make sense of these, but nothing seems to fit.


Like, I've even tried picking up some names and going backwards, but I reached a dead end every time...

[Urwen]

Rosa, then?

[Urwen]

Let's let the others have a go first.



And they won't. Because if they wanted to, they would've made some guesses by now. But whatever, you do you and wait for something that won't happen anytime soon. >.>

Know why? Because they would rather let all the games die than spent five minutes of their lives to keep them active. :c

[Pervinca Took]

Why would a copper be a 70s copper?

A 70s TV copper. With a girl's name.

A comedic one.

Google is your friend. ;)

All answers also exist as names or phenomena in the 'real' world or in other works of fiction - hence the password 'Elsewhere.'

[Urwen]

By a 'copper', you mean 'cop'?

[Urwen]

Google is your friend. ;)



Clearly not. I've searched for '1970 tv cop' and used alternative wordings too, and nothing relevant comes up.

[Huinesoron]

E1: I don't suppose there's an EAST END somewhere, maybe in the Shire? (I somehow doubt there's an Emmerdale.)

R: Best guess is this is another Life on Mars clue, but nobody's jumping out of the character list.

hS

[Urwen]

R must be Rowan.

As for the second E, I think we should look at the bands with a Tolkien connection. There is one called Ainur, but it doesn't have an E...

[Urwen]

4. Ephel Duath?

[Pervinca Took]

EAST END: A place for a soap opera?
LAURA: Could be a pioneer girl; could leapfrog for a listening exam.
S He advocates teenage kicks.
E They’re very musical.
WALDA: Twelfth king, or one of Martin’s women?
HAMA: A city on the Orontes. Is he?
EGLANTINE: She’s fragrant, and Chaucerian.
R She was a Seventies copper. Different gender, though.
EORL: That Crabtree! He’s a rugby player!

Further to my apology about Saeros, it really DOES sound like Saeros in an American accent! (Sarris from Galaxy Quest).

On this occasion, the 70s cop is not from the 'Life On Mars' universe. When I said comedic, I meant FULLY comedic. There was a gentle late 70s/I think early 80's comedy about a copper in northern England. The title of this is both his nickname and the answer to R.

You're on the right track for the first E, and might apply the same kind of logic to the new clue I have written for the new answer for S. Both have a musical connection, but neither of them are connected to 'inspired by Tolkien' music.

I saw East End when I was looking something else up on the Encyclopaedia of Arda. I think it's up Rohan way.

[Urwen]

So it's not Rowan?

[Pervinca Took]

Not unless you can find a Rowan who fits with the pretty extensive hints I gave in my last post. Which is very unlikely.

...

I'll repost the lot - hints and all.

EAST END: A place for a soap opera?
LAURA: Could be a pioneer girl; could leapfrog for a listening exam.
S He advocates teenage kicks.
E They’re very musical.
WALDA: Twelfth king, or one of Martin’s women?
HAMA: A city on the Orontes. Is he?
EGLANTINE: She’s fragrant, and Chaucerian.
R She was a Seventies copper. Different gender, though.
EORL: That Crabtree! He’s a rugby player!

Further to my apology about Saeros, it really DOES sound like Saeros in an American accent! (Sarris from Galaxy Quest).

On this occasion, the 70s cop is not from the 'Life On Mars' universe. When I said comedic, I meant FULLY comedic. There was a gentle late 70s/I think early 80's comedy about a copper in northern England. The title of this is both his nickname and the answer to R.

You're on the right track for the first E, and might apply the same kind of logic to the new clue I have written for the new answer for S. Both have a musical connection, but neither of them are connected to 'inspired by Tolkien' music.

I saw East End when I was looking something else up on the Encyclopaedia of Arda. I think it's up Rohan way.

[Urwen]

Well, google doesn't help. Also, by 'copper', do you mean 'cop'. Yes or no?

[Huinesoron]

New S: apparently Feargal SHARKEY is lead singer of The Undertones, who performed Teenage Kicks.

Apparently "East End" is a term Treebeard uses to describe the former state of Fangorn (as the East End of the ancient forests). So now I'm imagining the London-map title sequence playing out over Fangorn instead, with Isengard in place of the Millennium Dome. ^_^

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Well, google doesn't help. Also, by 'copper', do you mean 'cop'. Yes or no?

Yes. Cop is short for copper.

Did you think I was talking about 1970s vintage tea-kettles or something? :D

[Pervinca Took]

EAST END: A place for a soap opera?
LAURA: Could be a pioneer girl; could leapfrog for a listening exam.
SHARKEY: He advocates teenage kicks.
E They’re very musical.
WALDA: Twelfth king, or one of Martin’s women?
HAMA: A city on the Orontes. Is he?
EGLANTINE: She’s fragrant, and Chaucerian.
R She was a Seventies copper. Different gender, though.
EORL: That Crabtree! He’s a rugby player!

Exactement. Not a bad song, actually. Feargal Sharkey did some solo stuff after The Undertones, too. John Peel played Teenage Kicks quite a lot, I think - a DJ who really encouraged and helped new talent.

Rohan ... Fangorn ... I was in roughly the right part of the story. :D

...

The R that I'm looking for is classed as a sitcom, not a cop show. It was a sitcom about a police station, with a young PC as the central character.

It was renamed with that copper's nickname from Series 2 onwards.

[Urwen]

Again, googling it doesn't help. :c

[Urwen]

Never mind, found it. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosie_(TV_series))

[Pervinca Took]

EAST END: A place for a soap opera?
LAURA: Could be a pioneer girl; could leapfrog for a listening exam.
SHARKEY: He advocates teenage kicks.
E They’re very musical.
WALDA: Twelfth king, or one of Martin’s women?
HAMA: A city on the Orontes. Is he?
EGLANTINE: She’s fragrant, and Chaucerian.
ROSIE: She was a Seventies copper. Different gender, though.
EORL: That Crabtree! He’s a rugby player!

[Urwen]

The last one still eludes me, though...

[Urwen]

Btw, you could have used Esmeralda for the remaining E as well.

[Urwen]

And the last answer pops out unexpectedly.

Eagles?

[Pervinca Took]

EAST END: A place for a soap opera?
LAURA: Could be a pioneer girl; could leapfrog for a listening exam.
SHARKEY: He advocates teenage kicks.
EAGLES: They’re very musical.
WALDA: Twelfth king, or one of Martin’s women?
HAMA: A city on the Orontes. Is he?
EGLANTINE: She’s fragrant, and Chaucerian.
ROSIE: She was a Seventies copper. Different gender, though.
EORL: That Crabtree! He’s a rugby player!

Eglerio!

Over to you.

[Urwen]

I've prepared something new. Also, it rhymes.

Hope you like it.

1. One king, who chose to go along for a ride
2. And one who slung rocks from the other side
3. One holy race that caused the tide
4. And another, from whose members you cannot hide
5. A title of one who caused an island's destruction on a whim
6. And lastly the one who's hated during Purim

[Pervinca Took]

3. Ainur, or perhaps Valar?

5. Ar-Pharazon?

[Urwen]

I've prepared something new. Also, it rhymes.

Hope you like it.

1. One king, who chose to go along for a ride
2. And one who slung rocks from the other side
AINUR: One holy race that caused the tide
4. And another, from whose members you cannot hide
5. A title of one who caused an island's destruction on a whim
6. And lastly the one who's hated during Purim

No to Ar-Pharazon.

(All the answers have a Tolkien connection due to something I found when I Google searched.)

[Galadriel55]

6. (H)AMAN - I think you posted somewhere about the homophone tickling your fancy.

[Pervinca Took]

Maybe Sauron or Annatar or Mairon for the wrecker of Numenor?

[Urwen]

1. One king, who chose to go along for a ride
2. And one who slung rocks from the other side
AINUR: One holy race that caused the tide
4. And another, from whose members you cannot hide
5. A title of one who caused an island's destruction on a whim
HAMAN: And lastly the one who's hated during Purim

[Urwen]

Maybe Sauron or Annatar or Mairon for the wrecker of Numenor?


Close, but it's another name - or self-made title - of his, designed to mock Phary...

[Urwen]

6. (H)AMAN - I think you posted somewhere about the homophone tickling your fancy.


I initially planned to use him as a clue for a different theme, but then I remembered your puzzle and decided to do a spin-off of my own...

[Urwen]

Okay, so this idea clearly isn't panning out, so I'll make a new password in a couple of hours.

[Huinesoron]

Okay, so this idea clearly isn't panning out, so I'll make a new password in a couple of hours.

It might be better to post a few hints, unless you think the password is so opaque that nobody can possibly get it.

The only idea I had even vaguely was that the rocks in #2 might have something to do with Anarion taking a rock to the head, but I couldn't come anywhere near an answer with that.

hS

[Urwen]

Except that it isn't entirely Tolkien-themed, so...

[Pervinca Took]

Close, but it's another name - or self-made title - of his, designed to mock Phary...

Tar-Mairon?

[Urwen]

Nope.

[Galadriel55]

I don't have any good thoughts about the rest of the clues. 4 sounds vaguely Mafia-esque. 2. Did the Witch-King lob rocks at Minas Tirith among the heads and the fireballs, or is that only a movie thing?

[Huinesoron]

Just remembered this morning: didn't Sauron call himself something like KING OF THE WORLD, which led directly to Pharazon's invasion of Mordor? Shades of Titanic there

hS

[Urwen]

Close, but not quite.


But like I said, this isn't an entirely Tolkien puzzle, so unless someone objects within 24 hours, I am making a new one.

[Galadriel55]

Close, but not quite.


But like I said, this isn't an entirely Tolkien puzzle, so unless someone objects within 24 hours, I am making a new one.

Well, as Hui said before, maybe just consider adding hints to the clues or rephrasing them. Up to you.

[Urwen]

Did the fact that it's not fully Tolkien-themed escape you?!

And doesn't it say somewhere in the rules that the password has to be fully Tolkien-themed?!

Like, I would provide clues, but not if you are asking me to break those rules intentionally...

[Pervinca Took]

Did the fact that it's not fully Tolkien-themed escape you?!

And doesn't it say somewhere in the rules that the password has to be fully Tolkien-themed?!

Like, I would provide clues, but not if you are asking me to break those rules intentionally...

Then why post it in the first place?

[Huinesoron]

For whatever it's worth, Sauron's title was KING OF MEN.

About the rest I have no ideas whatsoever.

hS

[Urwen]

Okay, I looked, and there is no such rule, so a hint: half of the solutions are not Tolkien.

[Urwen]

1. One king, who chose to go along for a ride
2. And one who slung rocks from the other side
AINUR: One holy race that caused the tide
4. And another, from whose members you cannot hide
KING OF MEN: A title of one who caused an island's destruction on a whim
HAMAN: And lastly the one who's hated during Purim

[Pervinca Took]

1. Peter or Edmund in Narnia?
4. Death Eaters?

If any of them are GRR Martin, I won't get any of those answers. Never read or watched, and no plans to.

[Urwen]

1. Peter or Edmund in Narnia?
4. Death Eaters?

If any of them are GRR Martin, I won't get any of those answers. Never read or watched, and no plans to.


None are.

[Pervinca Took]

I think we need to admit defeat, Urwen. Do you want to post an exclusively Tolkien puzzle, (where at least we can guess if we get really stuck), or shall I post one?

[Urwen]

You're not familiar with the Bible, I take it? The fact Haman is there should have tipped you off...

Oh well

[Pervinca Took]

Is there any reason why I should be familiar with the Bible, or expect biblical answers in a Tolkien puzzle?

[Huinesoron]

You're not familiar with the Bible, I take it? The fact Haman is there should have tipped you off...

Oh well

That would have been a great hint 20-odd days ago.

I'm guessing the password is TANAKH, and the second A is some variant on ANGELS. My Biblical Kings memory is limited to four, none of whom start with T or A, and unlike with the Legendarium I have no interest in digging through the Bible for more.

hS

[Urwen]

Is there any reason why I should be familiar with the Bible, or expect biblical answers in a Tolkien puzzle?


He translated one, plus he based his works on Christianity. I don't see why not...


Not that I am a religious person myself, but I can't deny that some of the stories in are quite fun.

[Pervinca Took]

I'm familiar with quite a lot of the Bible, but not the book of Kings.

I'd use biblical stuff as parts of clues. Just not as answers.

[Huinesoron]

Seems to have been lost with the last page:

You're not familiar with the Bible, I take it? The fact Haman is there should have tipped you off...

Oh well

That would have been a great hint 20-odd days ago.

I'm guessing the password is TANAKH, and the second A is some variant on ANGELS. My Biblical Kings memory is limited to four, none of whom start with T or A, and unlike with the Legendarium I have no interest in digging through the Bible for more.

hS

[Urwen]

You know what, if you're so against it, then let's shelve this one. Huey got the password anyway, so he can go next

[Huinesoron]

You know what, if you're so against it, then let's shelve this one. Huey got the password anyway, so he can go next

Sure, then.

1. - The numinous root, otherwise known as a gift.
2. - Perfume from one Italian city.
3. - Chronic rails, year by year.
4. - A French one, conceived by the first to rise.
5. - Not grey... not gray, a German guest.
6. - In the round, Hell ends, and I am telepathy.
7. - Let's begin: Oh, snigger backwards, but with me instead of the example.
8. - Spiritually scary.
9. - The queen's scrambled citrus - o! Change it for two others.
10. - Go in, men in the corruption, and enjoy it.

All answers are English words or Tolkienian proper names, though two of them are borderline (one is both an English and Elvish word, and the other is a Tolkien coinage in English).

hS

[Pervinca Took]

5. Rad-a-gast?

[Huinesoron]

5. Rad-a-gast?

That's the chappie!

1. - The numinous root, otherwise known as a gift.
2. - Perfume from one Italian city.
3. - Chronic rails, year by year.
4. - A French one, conceived by the first to rise.
RADAGAST - Not grey... not gray, a German guest.
6. - In the round, Hell ends, and I am telepathy.
7. - Let's begin: Oh, snigger backwards, but with me instead of the example.
8. - Spiritually scary.
9. - The queen's scrambled citrus - o! Change it for two others.
10. - Go in, men in the corruption, and enjoy it.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

8. Wraiths? Barrow-Wights?

1. Death? Andor?

[Huinesoron]

8. Wraiths? Barrow-Wights?

1. Death? Andor?

No and no. 8 has both a straight and a cryptic clue, and 1... well, you're in the right area, just not the right answer.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

There's Scary in the Eastfarthing, but I can't find anything spiritual there.

[Huinesoron]

There's Scary in the Eastfarthing, but I can't find anything spiritual there.

You mean you haven't heard of St. Melian's Without? It's all in the Hostetter book. :D

Nothing to do with Scary, or the Shire.

hS

[Galadriel55]

I wonder if we're looking for some sort of ghost-like creature with a name that means "scary". Anything called The Horror? I suppose BALROG vaguely fits that, I seem to remember the name means something like "powerful demon". Demon, horror....

[Huinesoron]

I wonder if we're looking for some sort of ghost-like creature with a name that means "scary".

Technically, technically, this is precisely correct. But not in the way you're thinking, on either part.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Is it just a pun on FEA / FEAR?

[Huinesoron]

Is it just a pun on FEA / FEAR?

Who you callin' a pun? :mad: ;) It's spiritual (being a spirit), and it's scary (because the only thing we have to fear is... you get it.)

1. - The numinous root, otherwise known as a gift.
2. - Perfume from one Italian city.
3. - Chronic rails, year by year.
4. - A French one, conceived by the first to rise.
RADAGAST - Not grey... not gray, a German guest.
6. - In the round, Hell ends, and I am telepathy.
7. - Let's begin: Oh, snigger backwards, but with me instead of the example.
FEAR - Spiritually scary.
9. - The queen's scrambled citrus - o! Change it for two others.
10. - Go in, men in the corruption, and enjoy it.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

2. Tempted to say A-ROMA, but no obvious Tolkien connection.

9. MELIAN? It has a scrambled lime. Although I suspect we have to take IT from CITRUS O, add 2 more letters and scramble it.

Unless it's LIME plus A (sort of Elvish for O/Oh), and can become LEMON with a bit of changing.

[Huinesoron]

2. Tempted to say A-ROMA, but no obvious Tolkien connection.

Trust your instincts. Aroma is correct, and does have a Tolkien connection.


9. MELIAN? It has a scrambled lime. Although zinc suspect we gave to take IT from CITRUS O, add 2 more letters and scramble it.

Unless it's LIME plus A (sort of Elvish for O/Oh), and can become LEMON with a bit of changing.

LEMON, scrambled, with O changed for two other vowels (IA).


1. - The numinous root, otherwise known as a gift.
AROMA - Perfume from one Italian city.
3. - Chronic rails, year by year.
4. - A French one, conceived by the first to rise.
RADAGAST - Not grey... not gray, a German guest.
6. - In the round, Hell ends, and I am telepathy.
7. - Let's begin: Oh, snigger backwards, but with me instead of the example.
FEAR - Spiritually scary.
MELIAN - The queen's scrambled citrus - o! Change it for two others.
10. - Go in, men in the corruption, and enjoy it.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Is 10 ENTERTAINMENT?

ENTER + MEN in TAINT.

[Galadriel55]

7. ORIGINS? Oh=O, snigger backwards is REGGINS, with e.g. replaced with I.

[Huinesoron]

Is 10 ENTERTAINMENT?

ENTER + MEN in TAINT.

Exactly.

7. ORIGINS? Oh=O, snigger backwards is REGGINS, with e.g. replaced with I.

And exoctly.


1. - The numinous root, otherwise known as a gift.
AROMA - Perfume from one Italian city.
3. - Chronic rails, year by year.
4. - A French one, conceived by the first to rise.
RADAGAST - Not grey... not gray, a German guest.
6. - In the round, Hell ends, and I am telepathy.
ORIGINS - Let's begin: Oh, snigger backwards, but with me instead of the example.
FEAR - Spiritually scary.
MELIAN - The queen's scrambled citrus - o! Change it for two others.
ENTERTAINMENT - Go in, men in the corruption, and enjoy it.

Only four to go!

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. Is 'numinous' to indicate NUMENOR? Known by other name(s?) as the Land of Gift.

It's SOMETHINGS OF ME (ME as in Middle-earth), I guess. I'd say something like properties or qualities, but what are Melian and Radagast doing there?

NAMERS? NADIRS? (Nadirs doesn't make sense at all).

[Huinesoron]

1. Is 'numinous' to indicate NUMENOR? Known by other name(s?) as the Land of Gift.

"Numinous" is derived from the Latin root "numen". "Otherwise" is actually a cryptic clue for "or"! NUMENOR is right. :)


It's SOMETHINGS OF ME (ME as in Middle-earth), I guess. I'd say something like properties or qualities, but what are Melian and Radagast doing there?

NAMERS? NADIRS? (Nadirs doesn't make sense at all).

'OF M-E' is correct, but not the rest. Ummm... and I've just noticed I lost a word in #6; added in.

There's a reason I crafted this puzzle now. :)

NUMENOR - The numinous root, otherwise known as a gift.
AROMA - Perfume from one Italian city.
3. - Chronic rails, year by year.
4. - A French one, conceived by the first to rise.
RADAGAST - Not grey... not gray, a German guest.
6. - In the round, Hell ends, and I am retro-telepathy.
ORIGINS - Let's begin: Oh, snigger backwards, but with me instead of the example.
FEAR - Spiritually scary.
MELIAN - The queen's scrambled citrus - o! Change it for two others.
ENTERTAINMENT - Go in, men in the corruption, and enjoy it.

hS

[Galadriel55]

Is telepathy OSANWE, or perhaps EWNASO, if it's retro? I don't see how it fits cryptically but it's worth a shot.

[Pervinca Took]

Nature of m-e?

[Huinesoron]

Is telepathy OSANWE, or perhaps EWNASO, if it's retro? I don't see how it fits cryptically but it's worth a shot.

It is not; the telepathy is cryptic and modern.

Nature of m-e?

Bingo! I felt a new book by Tolkien deserved a Password. :D

NUMENOR - The numinous root, otherwise known as a gift.
AROMA - Perfume from one Italian city.
3. T - Chronic rails, year by year.
4. U - A French one, conceived by the first to rise.
RADAGAST - Not grey... not gray, a German guest.
6. E - In the round, Hell ends, and I am retro-telepathy.
ORIGINS - Let's begin: Oh, snigger backwards, but with me instead of the example.
FEAR - Spiritually scary.
MELIAN - The queen's scrambled citrus - o! Change it for two others.
ENTERTAINMENT - Go in, men in the corruption, and enjoy it.

All remaining answers are English words, though one of them is probably a Tolkien-coined compound.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

UNBORN for U?

[Huinesoron]

UNBORN for U?

Almost, but 'born' isn't a synonym for 'conceived'.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Unthought? Unplanned?

They didn't have the Hostetter book at Oxonmoot.

[Pervinca Took]

ESP can be a synonym for telepathy. Maybe that clue ends PSE.

ECLIPSE? (If so, I wouldn't know why, except that it uses 4 letters of CIRCLE and perhaps there were eclipses due to some early doings of Varda?)

[Huinesoron]

Unthought? Unplanned?

They didn't have the Hostetter book at Oxonmoot.

Neither of those; you were closer with 'born'. :)

I swiped the last copy at our bookshop; for some reason I don't think they're stocking vast numbers of "the bottom of Tolkien's scrap pile". :D

ESP can be a synonym for telepathy. Maybe that clue ends PSE.

ECLIPSE? (If so, I wouldn't know why, except that it uses 4 letters of CIRCLE and perhaps there were eclipses due to some early doings of Varda?)

It does end PSE, and you're actually only one letter off with your answer. :)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Other than ELAPSE, and Virgil's ECLOGUES, (both more than one letter out), I can't think what other word there is.

Unseeded? Unfertilised? :D

[Huinesoron]

Other than ELAPSE, and Virgil's ECLOGUES, (both more than one letter out), I can't think what other word there is.

I promise there is one. The one letter is one that needs to be changed in "Eclipse", not added or removed.


Unseeded? Unfertilised? :D

I mean, technically the latter is close to being a synonym? Think that and Unborn. The answer is used as a Capitalised Proper Noun.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Undead was the first one I thought of.

Unsung? (By the Ainur).

BTW I knew of Hostetter's book, but not the name of it. It really was just a guess at something to hopefully refer to all the answers.

[Huinesoron]

Undead was the first one I thought of.

Unsung? (By the Ainur).

Uhm, no; apparently this one is a bit tricky... okay, this term refers to the first elves to awaken by Cuivienen. Like Unborn, but a bit more Tolkieny.

BTW I knew of Hostetter's book, but not the name of it. It really was just a guess at something to hopefully refer to all the answers.

We have a thread on it (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=19408) if you're interested. I suggest stopping when WCH and I descend into an argument about whether lembas is cornbread. :D

hS

[Galadriel55]

Ellipse? I supose it makes sense, as (H)ELL + I + ESP. All kudos to Pervinca for getting 99% of the word. I would never have made it past EPS.


We have a thread on it (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=19408) if you're interested. I suggest stopping when WCH and I descend into an argument about whether lembas is cornbread. :D

You kidding? That's my favourite part! Fine, I skim through most of the argumentation, but the spirit of the debate is priceless. :D Also, I gotta say, the greyed out text makes it so much more intriguing to read, but I think I keep subconsciously expecting some dramatic revelation, because it all seems rather mundane compared to the types of things I imagine as I mentally fill in those blanks. Why am I expecting scandalous gossip in the first place? Dunno, maybe I'm just conditioned to associate "Hostetter" with the HOMEXIII jokes?

[Pervinca Took]

I guess ellipses occur in writing, but I've only heard of an ellipsis and its plural, ellipses, so didn't guess it.

Ah, hang on. G55, you mean ELLIPSE = regular oval? Does it refer to the original shape of Arda?

[Galadriel55]

Ah, hang on. G55, you mean ELLIPSE = regular oval? Does it refer to the original shape of Arda?

No idea what it refers to, but yeah, I was thinking about the shape. You're totally right, it could be the shape of the world.

[Urwen]

Unbegotten?

[Huinesoron]

You kidding? That's my favourite part! Fine, I skim through most of the argumentation, but the spirit of the debate is priceless. :D Also, I gotta say, the greyed out text makes it so much more intriguing to read, but I think I keep subconsciously expecting some dramatic revelation, because it all seems rather mundane compared to the types of things I imagine as I mentally fill in those blanks. Why am I expecting scandalous gossip in the first place? Dunno, maybe I'm just conditioned to associate "Hostetter" with the HOMEXIII jokes?

Oh, there's weird stuff. AROMA is in the password because Tolkien reveals that invisible Maiar can be detected because of their fragrance. If they're evil Maiar, they specifically smell bad. :D This is why Sauron only ever shows up embodied - because he knows his BO would give him away otherwise!

Ellipse? I supose it makes sense, as (H)ELL + I + ESP. All kudos to Pervinca for getting 99% of the word. I would never have made it past EPS.

I guess ellipses occur in writing, but I've only heard of an ellipsis and its plural, ellipses, so didn't guess it.

Ah, hang on. G55, you mean ELLIPSE = regular oval? Does it refer to the original shape of Arda?

No idea what it refers to, but yeah, I was thinking about the shape. You're totally right, it could be the shape of the world.

ELLIPSE it is, and, well, Tolkien drew sketches of the world as an ellipse which bulges in the middle. I'm honestly not sure if I imagined the part where he discusses how the Elves believed in a reverse Arda on the underneath, which of course would be uninhabited because the people would fall off.

Unbegotten?

Is correct!

(Urwen, you'll be pleased to know that Maeglin gave Tolkien endless trouble when he decided that elves don't marry until they're several hundred years old; there's multiple places in NoME where he tries to resolve it.)

NUMENOR - The numinous root, otherwise known as a gift.
AROMA - Perfume from one Italian city.
3. T - Chronic rails, year by year.
UNBEGOTTEN - A French one, conceived by the first to rise.
RADAGAST - Not grey... not gray, a German guest.
ELLIPSE - In the round, Hell ends, and I am retro-telepathy.
ORIGINS - Let's begin: Oh, snigger backwards, but with me instead of the example.
FEAR - Spiritually scary.
MELIAN - The queen's scrambled citrus - o! Change it for two others.
ENTERTAINMENT - Go in, men in the corruption, and enjoy it.

One left, and it's the first one I thought of.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Could it be TALES?

[Huinesoron]

Could it be TALES?

It is not. I think the straight clue is pretty direct here, and it's a major chunk of NoME (though I know that doesn't help much).

New page:

NUMENOR - The numinous root, otherwise known as a gift.
AROMA - Perfume from one Italian city.
3. T - Chronic rails, year by year.
UNBEGOTTEN - A French one, conceived by the first to rise.
RADAGAST - Not grey... not gray, a German guest.
ELLIPSE - In the round, Hell ends, and I am retro-telepathy.
ORIGINS - Let's begin: Oh, snigger backwards, but with me instead of the example.
FEAR - Spiritually scary.
MELIAN - The queen's scrambled citrus - o! Change it for two others.
ENTERTAINMENT - Go in, men in the corruption, and enjoy it.


hS

[Urwen]

Time+lines goes TIMELINES

[Huinesoron]

Time+lines goes TIMELINES

Precisely! The first third of NoME is basically all timelines.

NUMENOR - The numinous root, otherwise known as a gift.
AROMA - Perfume from one Italian city.
TIMELINES - Chronic rails, year by year.
UNBEGOTTEN - A French one, conceived by the first to rise.
RADAGAST - Not grey... not gray, a German guest.
ELLIPSE - In the round, Hell ends, and I am retro-telepathy.
ORIGINS - Let's begin: Oh, snigger backwards, but with me instead of the example.
FEAR - Spiritually scary.
MELIAN - The queen's scrambled citrus - o! Change it for two others.
ENTERTAINMENT - Go in, men in the corruption, and enjoy it.

Theme: topics in The Nature of Middle-earth

And over to Pervinca. :)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Very good password, hS, and very topical!

Here's one I made earlier:

1. Two French determiners add five for the life of him, but get her instead.
2. Destroy portal – destroy it all! Sauron would have, if he’d thought of it!
3. See him claim a glory within it.
4. See him lambast, then lose his way in the confusion of making something soapy.
5. Loan offal (for a feast?) around here?
6. Is David’s enemy just slightly confused here?
7. Additional potassium mixes with a little lithium before he’s revealed.
8. Latin hurrah meets Bible girl bereft of alternating current to reveal him.
9. See him change direction on the way to Damascus – onerously, for a while.
10. Behold! Tear! Reassemble him!
11. Here, it’s broad and troubled around a London suburb.

[Urwen]

2. Orodruin

[Pervinca Took]

1. Two French determiners add five for the life of him, but get her instead.
ORODRUIN: Destroy portal – destroy it all! Sauron would have, if he’d thought of it!
3. See him claim a glory within it.
4. See him lambast, then lose his way in the confusion of making something soapy.
5. Loan offal (for a feast?) around here?
6. Is David’s enemy just slightly confused here?
7. Additional potassium mixes with a little lithium before he’s revealed.
8. Latin hurrah meets Bible girl bereft of alternating current to reveal him.
9. See him change direction on the way to Damascus – onerously, for a while.
10. Behold! Tear! Reassemble him!
11. Here, it’s broad and troubled around a London suburb.

Ruin that door, Sauron, yer pillock!

[Urwen]

6. And this one is Osgiliath. I recall you used the same trick once...

[Galadriel55]

I wonder if 7 is MELKOR. MORE + K + L(i... or ithium, I suppose).

[Pervinca Took]

1. Two French determiners add five for the life of him, but get her instead.
ORODRUIN: Destroy portal – destroy it all! Sauron would have, if he’d thought of it!
3. See him claim a glory within it.
4. See him lambast, then lose his way in the confusion of making something soapy.
5. Loan offal (for a feast?) around here?
OSGILIATH: Is David’s enemy just slightly confused here?
MELKOR: Additional potassium mixes with a little lithium before he’s revealed.
8. Latin hurrah meets Bible girl bereft of alternating current to reveal him.
9. See him change direction on the way to Damascus – onerously, for a while.
10. Behold! Tear! Reassemble him!
11. Here, it’s broad and troubled around a London suburb.

Both correct. :)

[Urwen]

Uh, some help? :D

[Pervinca Took]

Try 3. Just read it. It's easy.

10. 2 synonyms, then scramble them.

[Urwen]

3. Maglor?

[Urwen]

10. Elrohir?

[Pervinca Took]

1. Two French determiners add five for the life of him, but get her instead.
ORODRUIN: Destroy portal – destroy it all! Sauron would have, if he’d thought of it!
MAGLOR: See him claim a glory within it.
4. See him lambast, then lose his way in the confusion of making something soapy.
5. Loan offal (for a feast?) around here?
OSGILIATH: Is David’s enemy just slightly confused here?
MELKOR: Additional potassium mixes with a little lithium before he’s revealed.
8. Latin hurrah meets Bible girl bereft of alternating current to reveal him.
9. See him change direction on the way to Damascus – onerously, for a while.
10. Behold! Tear! Reassemble him!
11. Here, it’s broad and troubled around a London suburb.

No to 10. What were your two synonyms?

[Urwen]

Lo and hie

[Pervinca Took]

Lo and hie

LO is correct. Hie isn't.

5 is another where you take 2 synonyms and scramble them.

[Urwen]

Lo+run?

[Pervinca Took]

Lo+run?

No, it's the literal meaning of tear, as in rip, (but not rip).

[Urwen]

Lo+shred?

[Urwen]

Or Lo+rend? I think this is more likely...

[Urwen]

Elrond?

[Urwen]

Closest I can get for 1 is Lalaith (La+la+???)

[Urwen]

Oh, wait.

Life of him = Life of Brian

So Ce+le+brian

[Pervinca Took]

CELEBRIAN: Two French determiners add five for the life of him, but get her instead.
ORODRUIN: Destroy portal – destroy it all! Sauron would have, if he’d thought of it!
MAGLOR: See him claim a glory within it.
4. See him lambast, then lose his way in the confusion of making something soapy.
5. Loan offal (for a feast?) around here?
OSGILIATH: Is David’s enemy just slightly confused here?
MELKOR: Additional potassium mixes with a little lithium before he’s revealed.
8. Latin hurrah meets Bible girl bereft of alternating current to reveal him.
9. See him change direction on the way to Damascus – onerously, for a while.
ELROND: Behold! Tear! Reassemble him!
11. Here, it’s broad and troubled around a London suburb.

Indeed. And forsooth!

[Urwen]

Still haven't managed to find anything for 5, though...

[Urwen]

Also, 8.

Rachel - ac + Io?

[Pervinca Took]

Also, 8.

Rachel - ac + Io?

Yes, but spelled RACHAEL.

[Urwen]

8. Iorhael?

[Pervinca Took]

CELEBRIAN: Two French determiners add five for the life of him, but get her instead.
ORODRUIN: Destroy portal – destroy it all! Sauron would have, if he’d thought of it!
MAGLOR: See him claim a glory within it.
4. See him lambast, then lose his way in the confusion of making something soapy.
5. Loan offal (for a feast?) around here?
OSGILIATH: Is David’s enemy just slightly confused here?
MELKOR: Additional potassium mixes with a little lithium before he’s revealed.
IORHAEL: Latin hurrah meets Bible girl bereft of alternating current to reveal him.
9. See him change direction on the way to Damascus – onerously, for a while.
ELROND: Behold! Tear! Reassemble him!
11. Here, it’s broad and troubled around a London suburb.

That's the chap. :)

[Urwen]

Could the password be 'Compromised'?

[Pervinca Took]

CELEBRIAN: Two French determiners add five for the life of him, but get her instead.
ORODRUIN: Destroy portal – destroy it all! Sauron would have, if he’d thought of it!
MAGLOR: See him claim a glory within it.
P: See him lambast, then lose his way in the confusion of making something soapy.
R: Loan offal (for a feast?) around here?
OSGILIATH: Is David’s enemy just slightly confused here?
MELKOR: Additional potassium mixes with a little lithium before he’s revealed.
IORHAEL: Latin hurrah meets Bible girl bereft of alternating current to reveal him.
S: See him change direction on the way to Damascus – onerously, for a while.
ELROND: Behold! Tear! Reassemble him!
D: Here, it’s broad and troubled around a London suburb.

And so they all were.

[Urwen]

Last D is Dwimordene (WIDE+MORDEN)

[Urwen]

And S is Sauron :D

[Pervinca Took]

Yeah.

[Urwen]

Two left...the hardest two...

[Urwen]

Could R be Rivendell?

[Huinesoron]

P could be Panthael - Pan = lambast (as in a review), and thael is lather - R.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

CELEBRIAN: Two French determiners add five for the life of him, but get her instead.
ORODRUIN: Destroy portal – destroy it all! Sauron would have, if he’d thought of it!
MAGLOR: See him claim a glory within it.
PANTHAEL: See him lambast, then lose his way in the confusion of making something soapy.
RIVENDELL: Loan offal (for a feast?) around here?
OSGILIATH: Is David’s enemy just slightly confused here?
MELKOR: Additional potassium mixes with a little lithium before he’s revealed.
IORHAEL: Latin hurrah meets Bible girl bereft of alternating current to reveal him.
SAURON: See him change direction on the way to Damascus – onerously, for a while.
ELROND: Behold! Tear! Reassemble him!
DWIMORDENE: Here, it’s broad and troubled around a London suburb.

RIVENDELL is LOAN LIVER.

SAURON = SAUL - L + ON(EROUSLY).

Perfect reasoning for DWIMORDENE and PANTHAEL.

All compromised in some way, I trust you'll agree.

And over to Urwen!

[Urwen]

1. Your, we hear, inside an element. For him.
2. Troubled precipitation reveals her.
3. Noah's son returns. A broken reward and a direction lead to her.
4. Behold, a stern and troubled man!
5. Gaseous mixture meets a place he lives in. Twist it to find him.
6. A star loses Cobb. Add a Roman 1000 and a broken round ball for him

[Galadriel55]

2. RIAN, from rain?

[Urwen]

1. Your, we hear, inside an element. For him.
RIAN: Troubled precipitation reveals her.
3. Noah's son returns. A broken reward and a direction lead to her.
4. Behold, a stern and troubled man!
5. Gaseous mixture meets a place he lives in. Twist it to find him.
6. A star loses Cobb. Add a Roman 1000 and a broken round ball for him

[Pervinca Took]

I think we might need a hint or two, Urwen.

It looks like 3 should start with MAH or MEHS, but I can't find any female Tolkien name that does.

[Urwen]

Oh, it doesn't start with that. It's inside. Also, it's kinda mixed.

[Huinesoron]

Did somebody say "element"?! :D:D:D

#1 could be Tin + UR, to give TURIN.

hS

[Urwen]

Yup, the big guy who spreads his pee everywhere...

TURIN: 1. Your, we hear, inside an element. For him.
RIAN: Troubled precipitation reveals her.
3. Noah's son returns. A broken reward and a direction lead to her.
4. Behold, a stern and troubled man!
5. Gaseous mixture meets a place he lives in. Twist it to find him.
6. A star loses Cobb. Add a Roman 1000 and a broken round ball for him

[Pervinca Took]

Stern could mean stern of a ship (poop, rear).

I think the behold one is Lopoop the troubled. :D

[Urwen]

Stern could mean stern of a ship (poop, rear).

I think the behold one is Lopoop the troubled. :D


No.

[Pervinca Took]

Is the password TRAGIC?

[Pervinca Took]

4. Gollum? (lo + glum).

[Urwen]

Yes to the password, no to Gollum

TURIN: 1. Your, we hear, inside an element. For him.
RIAN: Troubled precipitation reveals her.
A: Noah's son returns. A broken reward and a direction lead to her.
G: Behold, a stern and troubled man!
I: Gaseous mixture meets a place he lives in. Twist it to find him.
C: A star loses Cobb. Add a Roman 1000 and a broken round ball for him

[Pervinca Took]

Gorlim.

Lo + grim.

[Urwen]

TURIN: 1. Your, we hear, inside an element. For him.
RIAN: Troubled precipitation reveals her.
A: Noah's son returns. A broken reward and a direction lead to her.
GORLIM: Behold, a stern and troubled man!
I: Gaseous mixture meets a place he lives in. Twist it to find him.
C: A star loses Cobb. Add a Roman 1000 and a broken round ball for him.


You should know by now that I specialize in First and Second age peeps. Oh, and I've thrown in a little gift for you as well.

[Pervinca Took]

Well, I did think Gollum as a man was stretching it a little, but he did start out as a variant of a man.

I think I might be IORHAEL, but ... hang on ... it doesn't need to contain smoke, fire or farts. Let's see ...

HOLE I R A

Ah. It isn't a load of gases plus HOLE, because the H and the O are needed in HOLE.

It's HOLE + AIR.

And it *is* IORHAEL.

[Urwen]

TURIN: 1. Your, we hear, inside an element. For him.
RIAN: Troubled precipitation reveals her.
A: Noah's son returns. A broken reward and a direction lead to her.
GORLIM: Behold, a stern and troubled man!
IORHAEL: Gaseous mixture meets a place he lives in. Twist it to find him.
C: A star loses Cobb. Add a Roman 1000 and a broken round ball for him.

[Pervinca Took]

C:

Celeb + ? + M + bor(l) ?

Celebrimbor?

[Urwen]

TURIN: 1. Your, we hear, inside an element. For him.
RIAN: Troubled precipitation reveals her.
A: Noah's son returns. A broken reward and a direction lead to her.
GORLIM: Behold, a stern and troubled man!
IORHAEL: Gaseous mixture meets a place he lives in. Twist it to find him.
CELEBRIMBOR: A star loses Cobb. Add a Roman 1000 and a broken round ball for him.

It's CELEBRITY-TY (COBB)

One left. My favorite one.

[Urwen]

Bump?

[Pervinca Took]

Can think of tragic candidates, but none that have the cryptic elements.

[Galadriel55]

Okay, going through a list of people I know you like, I got to Ar-Zimraphel as a candidate that could potentially satisfy the cryptic elements. HAM + PRIZE make up most of the name, but the remaining ARL don't fit into "a direction". Dunno.

[Pervinca Took]

Well, A could be 'keep one of the indefinite articles from the clue.'

[Urwen]

And that's a wrap

TURIN: 1. Your, we hear, inside an element. For him.
RIAN: Troubled precipitation reveals her.
AR-ZIMRAPHEL: Noah's son returns. A broken reward and a direction lead to her.
GORLIM: Behold, a stern and troubled man!
IORHAEL: Gaseous mixture meets a place he lives in. Twist it to find him.
CELEBRIMBOR: A star loses Cobb. Add a Roman 1000 and a broken round ball for him.

[Pervinca Took]

Good stuff!

Here we go again, then:

1. Some love departs from the sea-kings’ city, It’s certainly left in turbulence by this. (3)
2. Pain without silence, directed to the centre of hell! Now see it! (4)
3. Alternatively, Cynewulf’s poem will lead you to it. (3)
4. Stuff quaffed in Whitby? A secondary change will reveal it. (4)

[Urwen]

I tried 3 and found nothing Tolkieny...

[Pervinca Took]

I tried 3 and found nothing Tolkieny...

It has the second element of something that's very Tolkieny.

[Urwen]

Door? (Rood backwards)

[Pervinca Took]

Look at poem TITLES.

[Pervinca Took]

Not 'The Dream Of The Rood.' Authorship for that has only been suggested.

[Urwen]

Elene? Christ II?

[Urwen]

Oh, wait. OR+CHRIST = Orcrist

[Pervinca Took]

1. Some love departs from the south kingdom. It’s certainly left in turbulence by this. (3)
2. Pain without silence, directed to the centre of hell! Now see it! (4)
ORCRIST: Alternatively, Cynewulf’s poem will lead you to it. (3)
4. Stuff quaffed in Whitby? A secondary change will reveal it. (4)

I believe it's spelled 'Crist.'

[Urwen]

Is 'Sea-kings' city' San Jose?

[Pervinca Took]

Is 'Sea-kings' city' San Jose?

No, it's one of Tolkien's sea-kings cities.

[Urwen]

So a city in Numenor?

[Pervinca Took]

No.

[Urwen]

Well, Armenelos - (some+l) gives ARNE...

[Pervinca Took]

It's called 'sea-kings' city' in a song.

[Urwen]

Well, it points to Minas Tirith, but then where does 'some love' factor in?

[Pervinca Took]

Think of tennis.

...

So sorry. I meant the country, not the city. Have amended the clue.

[Urwen]

Grond, then?

[Urwen]

And possibly 'Orcs' for the password?

[Pervinca Took]

GROND: Some love departs from the south kingdom. It’s certainly left in turbulence by this. (3)
2. Pain without silence, directed to the centre of hell! Now see it! (4)
ORCRIST: Alternatively, Cynewulf’s poem will lead you to it. (3)
4. Stuff quaffed in Whitby? A secondary change will reveal it. (4)

Not ORCS, I'm afraid.

[Urwen]

Ouch?

[Urwen]

For 4, I searched and found 'beer' or 'wine'. So we change a second letter from one of those?

[Pervinca Took]

For 4, I searched and found 'beer' or 'wine'. So we change a second letter from one of those?

Yes, one of those, and Whitby is known for a particular kind of festival - due, I believe, to its 'Dracula' connection.

[Urwen]

So the password isn't 'ouch' either, I assume?

[Urwen]

Goth festival? So something+Goth?

[Pervinca Took]

GROND: Some love departs from the south kingdom. It’s certainly left in turbulence by this. (3)
---U Pain without silence, directed to the centre of hell! Now see it! (4)
ORCRIST: Alternatively, Cynewulf’s poem will lead you to it. (3)
---H Stuff quaffed in Whitby? A secondary change will reveal it. (4)

Put GOTH first.

[Urwen]

Gothmog?

[Pervinca Took]

For 4, I searched and found 'beer' or 'wine'. So we change a second letter from one of those?

Remember I said yes to this.

Just put GOTH first.

[Urwen]

Oh, Guthwine

[Pervinca Took]

GROND: Some love departs from the south kingdom. It’s certainly left in turbulence by this. (3)
---U Pain without silence, directed to the centre of hell! Now see it! (4)
ORCRIST: Alternatively, Cynewulf’s poem will lead you to it. (3)
GUTHWINE: Stuff quaffed in Whitby? A secondary change will reveal it. (4)

[Urwen]

Angurel (ANGUISH-SH+R+EL)

[Pervinca Took]

GROND: Some love departs from the south kingdom. It’s certainly left in turbulence by this. (3)
ANGUIREL: Pain without silence, directed to the centre of hell! Now see it! (4)
ORCRIST: Alternatively, Cynewulf’s poem will lead you to it. (3)
GUTHWINE: Stuff quaffed in Whitby? A secondary change will reveal it. (4)

Over to you.

[Urwen]

Kinda busy, so give me awhile.

[Pervinca Took]

No problem.

[Urwen]

I made a quick one

1. Naomi's other name; read backwards. Add an article, and there it is.
2. Dwarvish weapon surrounded by broken ham. Run past here.
3. Broken grain and returning rodent, here.
4. He's the Lord of the Dead...or two element symbols put together.

[Huinesoron]

I made a quick one

1. Naomi's other name; read backwards. Add an article, and there it is.
2. Dwarvish weapon surrounded by broken ham. Run past here.
3. Broken grain and returning rodent, here.
4. He's the Lord of the Dead...or two element symbols put together.

#4 must surely be sodium molybdide... er, NaMo.

(Molybdide... [Shudders] That just sounds like an astoundingly bad idea. You think you're getting a nice stable salt, and instead you get molybdenum rapidly reacting with anything it can find. Eww.)

hS

[Urwen]

1. Naomi's other name; read backwards. Add an article, and there it is.
2. Dwarvish weapon surrounded by broken ham. Run past here.
3. Broken grain and returning rodent, here.
NAMO: He's the Lord of the Dead...or two element symbols put together.

[Urwen]

I thought this one is easy...

[Galadriel55]

2. MAHANAXAR is almost AXE (weapon) + HAM + RAN (run, past).

[Pervinca Took]

Aman?

[Urwen]

A: Naomi's other name; read backwards. Add an article, and there it is.
MAHANAXAR: Dwarvish weapon surrounded by broken ham. Run past here.
A: Broken grain and returning rodent, here.
NAMO: He's the Lord of the Dead...or two element symbols put together.

[Pervinca Took]

ARATHAR has a backward RAT, an A and the RA of grain. Can't account for the H, though.

[Urwen]

No.

[Pervinca Took]

Trouble is, I have no idea which Naomi you mean. I'm not that immersed in pop culture these days.

Could the Naomi one be ALALMINORE?

[Galadriel55]

I've assumed it's the Biblical Naomi, but I don't remember enough of the story to know her other names. Google however says that she was also named Mara, which turns into ARAMAN with "an" for the article.

[Urwen]

Trouble is, I have no idea which Naomi you mean. I'm not that immersed in pop culture these days.

Could the Naomi one be ALALMINORE?


The original one? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naomi_(biblical_figure))

[Huinesoron]

The original one? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naomi_(biblical_figure))

Naomi, like Lois (2 Timothy 1:5), is one of those names I can never quite believe is in the Bible. For my part I was stuck on Star Trek's Naomi Wildman, but was pretty sure she wasn't relevant.

Hoping that G55 has this one, so that leaves the returning rodent. Hrm.

How about AVALLONE? It contains VOLE, pluse... AALN. Is NALA a grain? :confused:

Alqualonde is also an A-place in Aman, but I can't find anything approaching a rodent in there.

hS

[Urwen]

No to Avallone

ARAMAN: Naomi's other name; read backwards. Add an article, and there it is.
MAHANAXAR: Dwarvish weapon surrounded by broken ham. Run past here.
A: Broken grain and returning rodent are mixed, here.
NAMO: He's the Lord of the Dead...or two element symbols put together.

[Pervinca Took]

ANNATAR would have come from Aman, and has a returning RAT. But ... it's a place we need.