Password

[Urwen]

But no one else except Gandalf and Erestor contains T in their names, and Erestor is taken. If you believe otherwise, then take a look at the members and say that someone else does with a straight face.


Legolas, Gimli, Aragorn, Frodo, Bilbo, Boromir, Elrond. Which one of those names contains the letter 'T' within them? Do tell.

[Pervinca Took]

???M???: Find him circulating at a strange support group.
ERESTOR: Put back, almost intact, to find him.
???E???: A twist of double pastry for him.
???T???: Search around the ship for him.
GLORFINDEL: Coin in German money? Shake it up for him.
GLOIN: Behold, spirit! Turn and see him!
GALDOR: For him, a happy alternative, with minimal compromise.

THEME: PEOPLE PRESENT AT THE COUNCIL OF ELROND.

Go and have a cup of tea, and think about angles you have not yet considered.

[Urwen]

The only other who was present with T in their name was Pippin, or Peregrin Took.

[Pervinca Took]

He was not in the meeting, though.

[Urwen]

Then there was no one else whose name contains the letter T at the meeting.


Unless, of course, you mean one of their.....other names (ie. Telcontar etc. for Aragorn)

[Pervinca Took]

I might. ;)

But I want the elements accounted for, not just random guesses.

[Urwen]

Well, the elements of my clues two passwords ago - the one with Turin as the password - weren't all accounted for, so since it wasn't done with my clues, I feel no obligation to do it with other people's clues.


If others wish to do so, they might, but since I wasn't given the courtesy of my clues being explained properly back then, why should I do it?



I had to explain the elements of both Maeglin and Tuor clues myself, so.....yeah.Treat others how you would like to be treated.

[Pervinca Took]

I always give explanations. At least, I'm pretty sure I do. I accounted for all elements in your last password. But suit yourself.

[Urwen]

I always give explanations. At least, I'm pretty sure I do. I accounted for all elements in your last password. But suit yourself.


But not in the one before that.

[Huinesoron]

Well, the elements of my clues two passwords ago - the one with Turin as the password - weren't all accounted for, so since it wasn't done with my clues, I feel no obligation to do it with other people's clues.

If others wish to do so, they might, but since I wasn't given the courtesy of my clues being explained properly back then, why should I do it?

I had to explain the elements of both Maeglin and Tuor clues myself, so.....yeah.Treat others how you would like to be treated.

This is moderately fair; it's always frustrating when people dismantle your password purely on theme (didn't I have three giants fall in the space of a single Wiki read?). That said, there's a difference between 'it must be this, but I've looked at it and can't make it fit the clue', and 'this has the right letter and is therefore my guess'. (I have been guilty of both, but try hard to avoid just throwing out names that have both letter and theme without at least partial explanations).

(PS: I think it was Galadriel who guessed both Tuor and Maeglin, but this doesn't really affect your main point.)

There are a lot of alternate names and titles with T in them at the Council - Strider, Thranduillion, Captain of Gondor, &c &c. The clue sounds like we need a synonym for 'search' with a synonym for (or name of a) 'ship' stuck inside it... but there really aren't any jumping out at me.

E feels like it might contain 'pie'.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Well, I apologise if I have ever failed to do so. I think all I did in that one was point out the theme, though ... killer and victim pairs. That made the last pair easy for G55 to guess, even though she didn't have all the elements. So I guess there is sometimes a bit of a grey area.

The GIANTS one was extremely difficult, but I thought I tried to work backwards by giving the elements afterwards.

And Galadriel guessed apologetically, saying she didn't think it was fair to just rant them off. Like I said, grey areas.

[Huinesoron]

PEREGRINE does contain 'pie'... not sure I can conjure another pastry from 'eregrn', though. Greenr!

hS

EDIT: Not attacking you at all for Wiki-crawling for the giants; Varda knows I spend enough time pulling answers out of wikis myself! I was just sympathising with the feeling of frustration we've all felt when our carefully-crafted clues fall too easily to guesses which are right but don't appreciate the complexity we've put into them. :)

[Pervinca Took]

Back to the puzzle: not pie, but something not at all dissimilar.

[Pervinca Took]

Huey! Peregrin was not invited to the meeting, and didn't just invite himself anyway!

Does make you think about elvish security systems: top secret discussion about the One Ring, and they don't notice a hobbit trotting in and hiding.

[Huinesoron]

Ohhhh yeah, and we already had a Pippin guess... my bad. Too much time spent on the movies back in the day.

Wait, of course! There's only one person T can be:

https://i.imgur.com/elXYWoq.jpg

It's FIGWIT! :D:D

(Obviously 'ship' is modern slang for a 'wig', and you search for something to 'fit' it into your collection... yeah, I will laugh so hard if this is the right answer.)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

It isn't. ;)

I did wonder if someone would mention Figwit, though.

And Thranduillion? Is that a fandom thing?

Urwen and Huinesoron, try pooling your wits. 'Double' doesn't mean you double the pastry element.

[Huinesoron]

And Thranduillon? Is that a fandom thing?

Bog-standard Elvish (either type) for 'son of Thranduil'. I'm not sure if it's ever used in the books.

Still trying to come up with answers for any of the remaining three. :-/

hS

[Urwen]

Makes me think of 'Double Dutch'.

[Urwen]

Or two+tart.


Or maybe 'Strudel' which sounds like 'Strider'.

[Pervinca Took]

Urwen has the right reasoning. All well-known chaps with alternative names. You just need to take some of them apart.

I wrote this password partly for the non-Fellowship chaps who rarely get a look-in, and put them in to make it more challenging, but those ones were guessed first, and made the theme tumble at the first hurdle. ;)

Also, let me amend what I said earlier. We sometimes get nearly there with the elements. Especially as some passworders use the style of clue that just gives a flavour or gets you part of the way. I do painstakingly account for every letter in my clues, and this might make me over-sensitive. But I think we should try to get at least part of the way with the reasoning, or get so far and see if another poster can find the rest.

[Pervinca Took]

TART is correct!

I love Strudel for Strider, too! But that one isn't, sadly.

(However, I've a feeling I'm always going to hear Aragorn speaking with an Austrian accent now).

[Pervinca Took]

OK ... the 'double' synonym is perhaps not an obvious one.

Try taking one of the alternative names, removing tart from it, and seeing what remains.

[Huinesoron]

TART is correct!

... and TELCONTAR is a clone tart?

hS

[Urwen]

Then 1 is Storm+Crows (a group from ASOIAF)

[Pervinca Took]

???M???: Find him circulating at a strange support group.
ERESTOR: Put back, almost intact, to find him.
TELCONTAR: A twist of double pastry for him.
???T???: Search around the ship for him.
GLORFINDEL: Coin in German money? Shake it up for him.
GLOIN: Behold, spirit! Turn and see him!
GALDOR: For him, a happy alternative, with minimal compromise.

Correct!

And inspired, of course, by the words Sam shouts to Aragorn in the Prancing Pony in one of the 'History of the LOTR' volumes of HOME:

"HOW DARE YOU CLONE THE REAL STRIDER AND TAKE HIS CLOTHES, YOU TART?"

P.S. I now want Strudel.

[Pervinca Took]

Good guess, but not Stormcrow. I've never read that book nor seen an episode, and thought ASOIAF was the initials of a support group until I checked it on Google.

Remember the letter could be ANY letter of the answer, as with my last 'random letters' password.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

4: Tharkun (Gandalf) HUNT rearranged around ARK

[Pervinca Took]

???M???: Find him circulating at a strange support group.
ERESTOR: Put back, almost intact, to find him.
TELCONTAR: A twist of double pastry for him.
THARKUN: Search around the ship for him.
GLORFINDEL: Coin in German money? Shake it up for him.
GLOIN: Behold, spirit! Turn and see him!
GALDOR: For him, a happy alternative, with minimal compromise.

THEME: PEOPLE PRESENT AT THE COUNCIL OF ELROND.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Okay, the only remaining attendee with an M, now that Mithrandir is off the table, would be the one who wasn't invited.

"Support group" = GAMS?

[Pervinca Took]

No. The support group is a British one. Not sure if it exists outside the UK, if that helps?

It shares initials with an organisation you can ring if your car breaks down.

[Urwen]

CAA is the support group?

[Pervinca Took]

No, like it, but slightly shorter.

[Urwen]

Ca?

[Pervinca Took]

Wrongly shortened. :D

[Urwen]

Aa?

[William Cloud Hicklin]

AA: Alcoholics Anonymous (or Automobile Association).

But that doesn't help a lot. In fact it makes things worse.

[Huinesoron]

The AA is both Alcoholics Anonymous and the Automobile Association.

So, it would be a very strange AA meeting that had rum being passed around, so perhaps AA + rum = MAURA, AKA Frodo?

hS

(Crossed with WCH.)

[Pervinca Took]

MAURA: Find him circulating at a strange support group.
ERESTOR: Put back, almost intact, to find him.
TELCONTAR: A twist of double pastry for him.
THARKUN: Search around the ship for him.
GLORFINDEL: Coin in German money? Shake it up for him.
GLOIN: Behold, spirit! Turn and see him!
GALDOR: For him, a happy alternative, with minimal compromise.

THEME: PEOPLE PRESENT AT THE COUNCIL OF ELROND.

Maura it is (as in Maura Labingi).

I hadn't noticed the juxtaposition of rum and AA! Yes, that works. But it's simply that 'rum' is a word meaning strange. Circulating, not strange, was the anagram indicator.

And Tharkun *could* be found on the ship west, but I didn't realise that when I used ARK and hunt to produce the clue.

Over to Urwen! :)

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Well, SWIMS + EA (Emotions Anonymous) gives SAMWISE, but I don't think that's what you are looking for.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Oh, wow. Using real-Westron is kinda cheatin'.....

[Pervinca Took]

No, just making it a bit more challenging, (and resorting to semi-desperate measures to get the required letters).

[Huinesoron]

Oh, wow. Using real-Westron is kinda cheatin'.....

Never! :mad: ;)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

As we're on a new page ....

MAURA: Find him circulating at a strange support group.
ERESTOR: Put back, almost intact, to find him.
TELCONTAR: A twist of double pastry for him.
THARKUN: Search around the ship for him.
GLORFINDEL: Coin in German money? Shake it up for him.
GLOIN: Behold, spirit! Turn and see him!
GALDOR: For him, a happy alternative, with minimal compromise.

THEME: PEOPLE PRESENT AT THE COUNCIL OF ELROND.

Maura it is (as in Maura Labingi).

I hadn't noticed the juxtaposition of rum and AA! Yes, that works. But it's simply that 'rum' is a word meaning strange. Circulating, not strange, was the anagram indicator.

And Tharkun *could* be found on the ship west, but I didn't realise that when I used ARK and hunt to produce the clue.

Over to Urwen! :)

[Urwen]

Here is another themed one inspired by Pervinca's.



1. Note a befuddled entrance for him
2. A pronoun sits in the middle of a fork for him
3. A metal and an animal surround a headwear in turmoil for him
4. Hindu religious teachers, befuddled, for him
5. A haze and a bar come together in a spin for him
6. Crazy bloomer surrounds a note, in a spin, for him

[William Cloud Hicklin]

4. SAMWISE, from "swamis"

[Urwen]

1. Note a befuddled entrance for him
2. A pronoun sits in the middle of a fork for him
3. A metal and an animal surround a headwear in turmoil for him
SAMWISE: Hindu religious teachers, befuddled, for him
5. A haze and a bar come together in a spin for him
6. Crazy bloomer surrounds a note, in a spin, for him

[Galadriel55]

1. Drogo? Door + G.

[Urwen]

1. Drogo? Door + G.


Nope, but close. Very very close...

[Galadriel55]

Frodo then? Door + F?

[Urwen]

FRODO: Note a befuddled entrance for him
2. A pronoun sits in the middle of a fork for him
3. A metal and an animal surround a headwear in turmoil for him
SAMWISE: Hindu religious teachers, befuddled, for him
5. A haze and a bar come together in a spin for him
6. Crazy bloomer surrounds a note, in a spin, for him

[Pervinca Took]

Just a guess: FRIEND? (Pairs of friends?)

[Urwen]

Just a guess: FRIEND? (Pairs of friends?)


....Are you a mind reader?


FRODO: Note a befuddled entrance for him
R: A pronoun sits in the middle of a fork for him
I: A metal and an animal surround a headwear in turmoil for him
SAMWISE: Hindu religious teachers, befuddled, for him
N: A haze and a bar come together in a spin for him
D: Crazy bloomer surrounds a note, in a spin, for him

[Pervinca Took]

Could the N one be FINGON? (FOG + INN).

No, not a mind reader ... Galadriel and William had done all the work up to then!

[Urwen]

FRODO: Note a befuddled entrance for him
R: A pronoun sits in the middle of a fork for him
I: A metal and an animal surround a headwear in turmoil for him
SAMWISE: Hindu religious teachers, befuddled, for him
FINGON: A haze and a bar come together in a spin for him
D: Crazy bloomer surrounds a note, in a spin, for him


Could the N one be FINGON? (FOG + INN).

No, not a mind reader ... Galadriel and William had done all the work up to then!


But you solved it based on only two letters.....

[Pervinca Took]

Ah, so is it a MAD ROSE rather than a flower anagram? MAEDHROS, Fingon's friend? H isn't a note, though ....

[William Cloud Hicklin]

D would be Fingon's BFF MAEDHROS, assuming one uses German musical notation (H for B, where B = our B-flat): MAD + H + ROSE

EDIT: cross-posted with Pervinca

[Pervinca Took]

But you solved it based on only two letters.....

But I was very, very lucky that one of the letters was the first one, and the two names already solved make up the most famous friendship Tolkien ever wrote about.

[Urwen]

Well, it is a note, just not a standard one. :p





FRODO: Note a befuddled entrance for him
R: A pronoun sits in the middle of a fork for him
I: A metal and an animal surround a headwear in turmoil for him
SAMWISE: Hindu religious teachers, befuddled, for him
FINGON: A haze and a bar come together in a spin for him
MAEDHROS: Crazy bloomer surrounds a note, in a spin, for him

[William Cloud Hicklin]

I: (Beleg) CUTHALION: Cu (copper) + HAT + LION

That would make R TURIN: I inside TURN

[Urwen]

Done.




FRODO: Note a befuddled entrance for him
TURIN: A pronoun sits in the middle of a fork for him
CUTHALION: A metal and an animal surround a headwear in turmoil for him
SAMWISE: Hindu religious teachers, befuddled, for him
FINGON: A haze and a bar come together in a spin for him
MAEDHROS: Crazy bloomer surrounds a note, in a spin, for him


How was it? I admit it's not at Pervinca's level, but I try.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Very good- with the quibble that "swamis" doesn't have an E in it.

[Urwen]

Very good- with the quibble that "swamis" doesn't have an E in it.


Well, it says that the word can also be spelled 'swamies' somewhere, so I went with that.

[Pervinca Took]

It was excellent, Urwen. You're becoming a dab hand at these! :)

[Urwen]

It was excellent, Urwen. You're becoming a dab hand at these! :)


Ty. Looking forward to your next one. :)

[William Cloud Hicklin]

OK, I'll take a shot



1. To rescue him, you must cut a group of terrorists off at the knees.
2. Voicing a depressive ***, a voiced rune? [OK, donkey. Bloody forum software]
3. A German pursues a backwards revolutionary, in front of his defense.
4. Spanish gold leads to a confused forum topic, not an article.
5. Our German mumbles "Lieber G---" but without energy

[Urwen]

It's Pervinca's turn, actually, unless they wish to give it up....

[Pervinca Took]

Whoa! Hang on. It's the person who guesses the password that has the next go!

That said, I don't mind. Let it stand.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Sorry, should have read the rules

[Pervinca Took]

4. Orodreth? Oro + thread - a.

[Urwen]

In that case, I'll take the backseat and let Pervinca solve this one so that they could take their rightful turn.

[Pervinca Took]

No, no! I have had lots of turns. And I can't solve all that on my own!

[Urwen]

5 looks like some variation of Liber + Gott.....

[Pervinca Took]

Maybe with Unser for German 'our?'

[Pervinca Took]

I have an idea number 1 might begin with CEL, because a group of terrorists is a cell.

[Urwen]

Celeborn for 1 then? Cel+borne?

[William Cloud Hicklin]

First points to Pervinca!

1. To rescue him, you must cut a group of terrorists off at the knees.
2. Voicing a depressive ***, a voiced rune? [OK, donkey. Bloody forum software]
3. A German pursues a backwards revolutionary, in front of his defense.
ORODRETH: Spanish gold leads to a confused forum topic, not an article.
5. Our German mumbles "Lieber G---" but without energy

[How do you generate colored text here?]

[William Cloud Hicklin]

No, 1 isn't Celeborn. Sorry.

[Urwen]

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[William Cloud Hicklin]

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Thx

[Pervinca Took]

Eeyore is a depressive donkey!

Anyone know of a rune that sounds like Eeyore?

There's a Viking rune called As/Oss, but that doesn't really get me anywhere.

Eeyore sounds like IOR, which begins the name IORHAEL, or IORLAS (or, indeed, IORETH), but I don't think that's what the clue's asking for either. Unless there's a rune called HAEL?

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Eeyore is a depressive donkey!

Anyond know of a rune that sounds like Eeyore?

There's a Viking rune called As/Oss, but thaf doesn't really get me anywhere.

Eeyore sounds like IOR, which begins the name IORHAEL, but I don't think that's whag the clue's asking for either.

On the right track though

[William Cloud Hicklin]

New page repost:

1. To rescue him, you must cut a group of terrorists off at the knees.
2. A depressive ***, a voiced rune? [OK, donkey. Bloody forum software]
3. A German pursues a backwards revolutionary, in front of his defense.
ORODRETH: Spanish gold leads to a confused forum topic, not an article.
5. Our German mumbles "Lieber G---" but without energy

[Pervinca Took]

Or maybe IOR plus the Old English letter ETH, for IORETH?

I think the letter 'thorn' was a rune. I'm not sure abouth 'eth,' though.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Or maybe IOR plus the Old English letter ETH, for IORETH?

I think the letter 'thorn' was a rune. I'm not sure abouth 'eth,' though.

Bullseye! "Thorn" (þ) represented the unvoiced TH, and "eth" (ð) represented the voiced (cf. "clothes" as opposed to "cloth."), the former giving rise to bogus "Y"s in "Ye Olde Gifte Shoppe" nonsense. These two and "yogh" (ȝ) were the three futhorc runes that survived into Middle English.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

1. To rescue him, you must cut a group of terrorists off at the knees.
IORETH: A depressive donkey, a voiced rune?
3. A German pursues a backwards revolutionary, in front of his defense.
ORODRETH: Spanish gold leads to a confused forum topic, not an article.
5. Our German mumbles "Lieber G---" but without energy

[Pervinca Took]

The letter 'eth' is voiced th in the phonetic alphabet, of course.

I thought thorn and eth could both be voiced and unvoiced in Old English, though. Or maybe they were supposed to be different sounds but this wasn't always adhered to.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

The letter 'eth' is voiced th in the phonetic alphabet, of course.

I thought thorn and eth could both be voiced and unvoiced in Old English, though. Or maybe they were supposed to be different sounds but this wasn't always adhered to.

Actually you're right. In A-S orthography, there was a tendency towards thorn initially, and eth medially and finally, regardless of voice. But I needed to push a clue! And of course in modern PA, eth is used for the voiced dental fricative as opposed to theta

[Pervinca Took]

I had forgotten the Ye Olde thing ... how did it happen, though? Neither letter really looks like a Y. Was it just because it was a single letter?

Nothing to do with the letter wynn, which looks like thorn without the top bit?

[Urwen]

I think for five, if you follow the clues, you're left with these letters:


U S R L B O T T


Can you make something from it, Pervinca?

[Pervinca Took]

I can't! I wondered if mumble could be the German part, but that's 'murmeln,' (well, the infinitive is), which isn't ringing any bells for me.

I think 'Lieber Gott' could just be to get the word OATH or SWEAR or CURSE, though.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

I had forgotten the Ye Olde thing ... how did it happen, though? Neither letter really looks like a Y. Was it just because it was a single letter?

Nothing to do with the letter wynn, which looks like thorn without the top bit?

In 17th century orthography (yes, it lasted that long!) thorn really did look rather like a Y; it basically lost its ascender and took over the shape of wynn, which had fallen out of use not long into the Middle English period: https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.charliehills.com%2Fmedia%2Fima ges%2F2016%2Fthorn-evolution.jpg&f=1

Yogh in a much smaller way has created a similar issue: names like "Menzies," which is pronounced "Mingus" because that Z is actually a yogh.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

FWIW, "mumbles" is just the anagram indicator

[Pervinca Took]

I did wonder why the politician, Menzies Campbell, was referred to as Ming!

So ... maybe UNSER mixed up followed by LIEBER GOTT minus a word that means energy?

[Urwen]

I did wonder why the politician, Menzies Campbell, was referred to as Ming!

So ... maybe UNSER mixed up followed by LIEBER GOTT minus a word thst means energy?


That's what I thought too, and I ended up with letter I listed above.

[Pervinca Took]

Oh, you took away the actual word 'energy?' I wondered how you came by those letters!

Hang on, what if it's energy in German.

UNSERLIEBERGOTT - ENERGIE = USLBROTT.

Hmmm. Unless it's a special kind of loaf they make in Rohan that I've never heard of ....

[William Cloud Hicklin]

It's less linguistic than scientific.

[Urwen]

The symbol for Energy is E.

[Pervinca Took]

Maybe it's just Lieber G we need to scramble.

If you remove E and do that, you get BERGIL.

Not sure about 'Our German,' unless it's also a German name. (It sounds like it might be).

Actually ... it's probably the German from the earlier clue.

What the blazes the password could be I do not know - unless it's BORIN, running from bottom to top.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Pervinca scores again!!!

That's exactly it. "Our German" was just a callback to #3 (which in hindsight was probably needlessly confusing), and an excuse for Lieber G---

[William Cloud Hicklin]

1. To rescue him, you must cut a group of terrorists off at the knees.
2. IORETH: A depressive donkey, a voiced rune?
3. A German pursues a backwards revolutionary, in front of his defense.
4. ORODRETH: Spanish gold leads to a confused forum topic, not an article.
4a. Him gone, if her spelling is as confused as her grammar and gender identity.
5. BERGIL: Our German mumbles "Lieber G---" but without energy

[William Cloud Hicklin]

It occurs to me that Orodreth isn't a great fit for the clue pattern. An umpire would call it a "borderline strike." So here's an alternate #4 (O):

4a. Him gone, if her spelling is as confused as her grammar and gender identity.

[Pervinca Took]

Is the password MINOR, for minor characters?

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Is the password MINOR, for minor characters?

YES! On a roll!

[Pervinca Took]

Cool!

Can you tell me if 'cell' was the right element for the terrorist group?

Oh ... maybe it's the name of a group.

I still don't have the answer. But if you scramble RANSOM (rescue) and IR, (IRA cut off at the knees), you can get 'rosmarin' but also ARS MINOR. ;) I wonder if that too is a musical note or key I hadn't heard of before, and how one would *produce* such a note! :D

Anyway, it amused me enough to make me want to share it.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

1 I feared would tumble in 5 minutes; seemed too obvious from my seat.

That character was smart enough to know an old man's stick might be more than a prop, and also smart enough to let it slide.

[Urwen]

So #1 is Hama?

[Pervinca Took]

Oh yes - Hamas with the S cut off?

[Pervinca Took]

3. I think 'A German' is EIN. And backward revolutionary ... DER? (Red backwards). But defence? That makes me, with some of the elements, think EORED, but it's a character we want. And a minor one.

The N was giving me trouble.

Let's see if EOTHAIN would work. It has EIN, and he's a minor character.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

The "A" is leading you astray (I need to be more careful!). It was just put in to give the sentence flow. Ignore it at will.

3 probably is the hardest of the set.


1. HAMA: To rescue him, you must cut a group of terrorists off at the knees.
2. IORETH: A depressive donkey, a voiced rune?
3. ???N???: A German pursues a backwards revolutionary, in front of his defense.
4. ORODRETH: Spanish gold leads to a confused forum topic, not an article.
4a. Him gone, if her spelling is as confused as her grammar and gender identity.
5. BERGIL: Our German mumbles "Lieber G---" but without energy

[Pervinca Took]

Wonder what 'defence' could be. Shield? But Thorin Oakenshield isn't a minor character.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Wonder what 'defence' could be. Shield? But Thorin Oakenshield isn't a minor character.

Pervinca, just wondering- are you a USAian, or one of our friends from overseas? "Defense" here would I think be an obvious clue to American and Canadian sports fans, but on reflection others might not be familar with the usage.

[Pervinca Took]

I'm a Brit, but we refer to defence in sports. I'm not really a sports fan, though, which is probably why I didn't think of it.

Perhaps the element I'm missing refers to a sport not played much over here, though, like baseball or American football.

Just asked my dad, though, if 'back' is a term for a defence position, and he said yes.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Your dad is correct, but it's not on the right track (also, in US football there are both defensive and offensive backs)

Actually I was simply going for D: "The Patriots lead the league in scoring, but the Bears have great D." Or, "Kobe has to get back on D faster if the Lakers want to contain Boston's offense." Or just "Good D!" whenever a notable defensive play is made.

EDIT: Part of the issue must be transatlantic differences in pronunciation: US ˈdē-fen(t)s vs UK dɪ-ˈfɛns

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Since Pervinca guessed the Password, it's her turn. I guess two turns, since I jumped the queue.

Anyway, Number 3 is BEREGOND: REB reversed followed by EGON and D

[Pervinca Took]

Is that REB as in Confederate soldier?

I don't understand the EGON element, either.

[Urwen]

New puzzle?

[Pervinca Took]

I was wondering what the answer to clue 4a was.

1. Behold, cross-dressing, an elf spins round!
2. Amphibian hops around a Berlin street? See him change direction and turn!
3. He might drive around, alternatively.
4. You'll see his bonds, if you pluralise him.
5. He's Wise, but limited. Old, too. With a flair for light entertainment? Let this unfold!

[Urwen]

1 must be GALDOR (DRAG + OL spun around)

[Pervinca Took]

GALDOR: Behold, cross-dressing, an elf spins round!
2. Amphibian hops around a Berlin street? See him change direction and turn!
3. He might drive around, alternatively.
4. You'll see his bonds, if you pluralise him.
5. He's Wise, but limited. Old, too. With a flair for light entertainment? Let this unfold!

Yes. LO = Behold.

[Urwen]

Then the theme mus be lords of Gondolin. If we exclude the already solved one and the evil one, that leaves Glorfindel, Ecthelion, Pengolodh, Egalmoth, Tuor, Turgon, Salgant, Rog and Duilin

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Is that REB as in Confederate soldier?

I don't understand the EGON element, either.

Egon is a common name in Germany, not to my knowledge found in any other language. OK, too obscure.

Well on this first try I learned a lot about what not to do! The only clue I'm really proud of was Orodreth.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

2: Glorfindel. FROG + LINDEN anagram

[William Cloud Hicklin]

3. Tuor, from TOUR?

[Pervinca Took]

GALDOR: Behold, cross-dressing, an elf spins round!
GLORFINDEL: Amphibian hops around a Berlin street? See him change direction and turn!
3. He might drive around, alternatively.
4. You'll see his bonds, if you pluralise him.
5. He's Wise, but limited. Old, too. With a flair for light entertainment? Let this unfold!

No to Tuor.

No to Lords of Gondolin.

Correct regarding Glorfindel, plus one of the N's changes to another L, for 'change direction.'

Bill, please tell me the answer to your clue 4a, and was 'REB' a term for a Confederate soldier?

It was an excellent first password. Themed ones aren't always easy to create, but they're fun.

[Urwen]

Password: GLOIN?

[Pervinca Took]

GALDOR: Behold, cross-dressing, an elf spins round!
GLORFINDEL: Amphibian hops around a Berlin street? See him change direction and turn!
???O???: He might drive around, alternatively.
???I???: You'll see his bonds, if you pluralise him.
???N???: He's Wise, but limited. Old, too. With a flair for light entertainment? Let this unfold!

GLOIN it is!

[Urwen]

5. Huan?

[Pervinca Took]

No. I left out a set of ??? by mistake.

[Urwen]

Then it must be the Council attendees, again.

[Pervinca Took]

Yes, but with a slight difference.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

5: Gandalf. No wordgames, just straight definition: one of the Wise, limited in his powers as an Istar, definitely old, and makes entertainment with light (fireworks)

Council attendees with names beginning in G?

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Pervinca: yes, "Reb" was a term for a confederate rebel.

4a: HIRGON; gender-bend "Him gone" with poor spelling

[Pervinca Took]

Not Gandalf; not G-initial names. (Love the interpretation of light entertainment, though!)

Thanks for the explanations!

[Urwen]

Members of the Council who are Elves?

[Pervinca Took]

No.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

3: "alternatively" gets us back to or or nor, and inevitably around to Erestor again. But I don't see it, unless "drive" = STREET and one loses the extra T somehow.

Or, thin reed, "drive" = LED, which with NOR gives ELROND

[Pervinca Took]

GALDOR: Behold, cross-dressing, an elf spins round!
GLORFINDEL: Amphibian hops around a Berlin street? See him change direction and turn!
ERESTOR: He might drive around, alternatively.
???I???: You'll see his bonds, if you pluralise him.
???N???: He's Wise, but limited. Old, too. With a flair for light entertainment? Let this unfold!

Very close. It's 'steer' for drive.

Your guess and explanation for the last clue were so brilliant (whilst also fitting the clue pretty much perfectly) that I will give a further hint: the 'light entertainment' in the last clue refers to an entertainer who was part of a double-act that was huge in the UK, but possibly little known beyond these shores.

I think it was you who gave me the idea for the theme of this password, from a comment you made on the theme of my last one.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

5: Elrond. Ernie Wise, of duo Morecambe and Wise, limited to ERN, + OLD

[Pervinca Took]

GALDOR: Behold, cross-dressing, an elf spins round!
GLORFINDEL: Amphibian hops around a Berlin street? See him change direction and turn!
ERESTOR: He might drive around, alternatively.
BILBO: You'll see his bonds, if you pluralise him.
ELROND: He's Wise, but limited. Old, too. With a flair for light entertainment? Let this unfold!

THEME: PEOPLE PRESENT AT THE COUNCIL OF ELROND WHO DID NOT JOIN THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING OR GO ON THE QUEST TO DESTROY THE RING.

I would have saved this very similarly themed password for later, but my laptop is kaputt and I can't access its files yet to get at my stash of prepared passwords.

Anyway, over to Urwen!

[Urwen]

Then, members of Council who weren't in the Fellowship?

[Urwen]

4. Bilbo?

[William Cloud Hicklin]

By elimination, 4 would have to be Bilbo, but I'm not seeing it yet. It could also be Baggins.

Elrond
Erestor
Glorfindel
Bilbo Baggins
Gloin
Galdor

IIRC, thats all the named attendees who didn't march off for Hollin.

[Huinesoron]

Well, 'Bilboes' is an anagram of 'lobbies', but I'm not sure how that's a synonym for 'bonds'. By way of politics, maybe - a politician is metaphorically bound to the lobbyists she listens to?

Of course, there's always 'barrels out of bond', and barrels are tied to the name Bilbo by Shakespearean reference (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=710987&postcount=2) - but Balfrog hasn't been around for quite some time, so we can probably rule that out. :)

Is there a useful anagram of 'Bagginses' (which we all know to be the correct plural)?

hS

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Okay, if there were some mechanism there for substituting I for H, HOBBLES -> IOBBLES is an anagram for BILBOES.

Unless there's some connection between HOBBLES and HOBBITS? Bilbo "pluralized", could mean that.

[Pervinca Took]

It is a word I first learned from Shakespeare, but from 'Hamlet' :-

'Sir, in my heart there was a kind of fighting
That would not let me sleep. Methought I lay
Worse than the mutines in the bilboes.'

(Or something very similar to that).

The bilboes were apparently fetters in the form of an iron bar that both feet were shackled to. Hamlet is referring to the mutineers of the ship he is on, lying below deck in irons.

I meant literally 'in bonds.' Not like barrels before their release. ;)

And looking it up confirmed that bilboes only exist in the plural form.

There is a single noun bilbo, but I think it means a sword.

[Pervinca Took]

As you will see, I pressed Edit instead of Quote by accident, so am just copying my post again here.

GALDOR: Behold, cross-dressing, an elf spins round!
GLORFINDEL: Amphibian hops around a Berlin street? See him change direction and turn!
ERESTOR: He might drive around, alternatively.
BILBO: You'll see his bonds, if you pluralise him.
ELROND: He's Wise, but limited. Old, too. With a flair for light entertainment? Let this unfold!

THEME: PEOPLE PRESENT AT THE COUNCIL OF ELROND WHO DID NOT JOIN THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING OR GO ON THE QUEST TO DESTROY THE RING.

I would have saved this very similarly themed password for later, but my laptop is kaputt and I can't access its files yet to get at my stash of prepared passwords.

Anyway, over to Urwen!

P.S. I believe the above six are the ONLY named none-Orodruin-questers at the Council of Elrond.

[Urwen]

Here is another one with a theme.


1. A spun tree is followed by a pronoun and a backward element. She appears.
2. A cover and an element circulate for her
3. A broken rule surrounds a pronoun for her
4. A product of a storm circulates for her
5. An article, a color, and a dark goddess. Put them together for her.
6. An alloy, abbreviated. An avian extremity. She appears.

[Pervinca Took]

1. MELIAN.

ELM (spun) + I + Na backwards.

[Pervinca Took]

4. RIAN.

(From 'rain.')

[Urwen]

MELIAN: A spun tree is followed by a pronoun and a backward element. She appears.
2. A cover and an element circulate for her
3. A broken rule surrounds a pronoun for her
RIAN: A product of a storm circulates for her
5. An article, a color, and a dark goddess. Put them together for her.
6. An alloy, abbreviated. An avian extremity. She appears.

[Pervinca Took]

5. A + red + hel.

Aredhel.

[Pervinca Took]

Password: MIRIEL?

[Urwen]

MELIAN: A spun tree is followed by a pronoun and a backward element. She appears.
I???: A cover and an element circulate for her
???R???: A broken rule surrounds a pronoun for her
RIAN: A product of a storm circulates for her
AREDHEL: An article, a color, and a dark goddess. Put them together for her.
???L???: An alloy, abbreviated. An avian extremity. She appears.

[Pervinca Took]

Unfortunate mothers? Died young themselves or lost a child?

B(ee) end an allo = Belladonna?

[Urwen]

Wrong on both counts.

[Pervinca Took]

Belladonna is wrong as well?

[William Cloud Hicklin]

2. Idril. LID plus Ir(idium)

[Pervinca Took]

Ohhhh yes! I had convinced myself there was an Isilde, and there isn't. :D

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Queens and princesses of the first age?

[William Cloud Hicklin]

6. Elwing. El(ectrum) plus WING

[Urwen]

The theme is still wrong, though


MELIAN: A spun tree is followed by a pronoun and a backward element. She appears.
IDRIL: A cover and an element circulate for her
???R???: A broken rule surrounds a pronoun for her
RIAN: A product of a storm circulates for her
AREDHEL: An article, a color, and a dark goddess. Put them together for her.
ELWING: An alloy, abbreviated. An avian extremity. She appears.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Alternatively, mothers if First Age heroes (if Maeglin counts)

[William Cloud Hicklin]

3 Morwen. NORM around WE

[Urwen]

MELIAN: A spun tree is followed by a pronoun and a backward element. She appears.
IDRIL: A cover and an element circulate for her
MORWEN: A broken rule surrounds a pronoun for her
RIAN: A product of a storm circulates for her
AREDHEL: An article, a color, and a dark goddess. Put them together for her.
ELWING: An alloy, abbreviated. An avian extremity. She appears.

[Urwen]

Alternatively, mothers if First Age heroes (if Maeglin counts)


The theme was simply 'first age mothers'. And yet nobody thought of that......

[Urwen]

It's Pervinca's turn now. In light of recent events, anyone who attempts to usurp the right of the turn will be subjected to the 'Song that Never Ends' infinite loop, at the highest possible volume. You have been warned.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

The theme was simply 'first age mothers'. And yet nobody thought of that......


I thought I did

[Urwen]

Queens and princesses of the first age?

Alternatively, mothers if First Age heroes (if Maeglin counts)


Nope. You never said 'Mothers of First Age'. The closest you came was 'Mothers of First Age Heroes' as opposed to simply 'Mothers of the First Age'. There is a difference between the two.

[Pervinca Took]

He was pretty close, but I guess Maeglin isn't a hero. Luthien could qualify, but I suppose technically she's a heroine.

A good password, anyway.

Next:

1. Negative rattle troubled him.
2. More capacious? Change note to perturb him!
3. Deer possessed you twice, we hear! Publicity for the moon? It gets even crazier before he appears!
4. Leech scurries around, but gains direction for him.
5. Fiery ball runs back to meet mixed-up killer for him.
6. Note measure losing direction, and spin to find him.
7. Measure a pudding, and mix it well for him.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

5, Incanus: CAIN mixed + SUN backwards

[Pervinca Took]

1. Negative rattle troubled him.
2. More capacious? Change note to perturb him!
3. Deer possessed you twice, we hear! Publicity for the moon? It gets even crazier before he appears!
4. Leech scurries around, but gains direction for him.
INCANUS: Fiery ball runs back to meet mixed-up killer for him.
6. Note measure losing direction, and spin to find him.
7. Measure a pudding, and mix it well for him.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

1. Telcontar. RATTLE+CON

Is it COUNCIL?

[Pervinca Took]

TELCONTAR: Negative rattle troubled him.
???O???: More capacious? Change note to perturb him!
???U???: Deer possessed you twice, we hear! Publicity for the moon? It gets even crazier before he appears!
???N???: Leech scurries around, but gains direction for him.
INCANUS: Fiery ball runs back to meet mixed-up killer for him.
???I???: Note measure losing direction, and spin to find him.
???L???: Measure a pudding, and mix it well for him.

Well done!

Telcontar is NO + CLATTER, though. I didn't realise the word 'rattle' was also in 'Telcontar' - thought I'd written a really difficult clue!

[William Cloud Hicklin]

2. Elrond. LONGER, swap D for G

[William Cloud Hicklin]

6. Check it for mistakes: I think I know what it is, but I believe there's a letter unaccounted for

[Pervinca Took]

2 is not Elrond. Right method; wrong synonym.

6 is a difficult clue, but it does not contain any mistakes.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

OK. For 6 I was thinking Gimli: G + MILE - E, but that leaves GIML.

[Pervinca Took]

TELCONTAR: Negative rattle troubled him.
???O???: More capacious? Change note to perturb him!
???U???: Deer possessed you twice, we hear! Publicity for the moon? It gets even crazier before he appears!
???N???: Leech scurries around, but gains direction for him.
INCANUS: Fiery ball runs back to meet mixed-up killer for him.
GIMLI: Note measure losing direction, and spin to find him.
???L???: Measure a pudding, and mix it well for him.

GIMLI is correct, but it's MI + GILL - L.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

OOoh, so "notes" includes sol-fa. I hadn't realized that.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

7 is bugging me, because I'm not familiar with the UK's thousand varieties of puddings

[William Cloud Hicklin]

2. Boromir: ROOMIER, swap B for E

[Pervinca Took]

TELCONTAR: Negative rattle troubled him.
BOROMIR: More capacious? Change note to perturb him!
???U???: Deer possessed you twice, we hear! Publicity for the moon? It gets even crazier before he appears!
???N???: Leech scurries around, but gains direction for him.
INCANUS: Fiery ball runs back to meet mixed-up killer for him.
GIMLI: Note measure losing direction, and spin to find him.
???L???: Measure a pudding, and mix it well for him.

Boromir from 'roomier,' indeed.

I had not thought of using the doh-re-mi notes as elements until someone did so quite recently on this thread.

It's a one-word pudding, if that helps. And an old-fashioned one.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Wow, I had to go googling to find it; I'd never heard of it

7. Legolas ELL + SAGO

[Pervinca Took]

TELCONTAR: Negative rattle troubled him.
BOROMIR: More capacious? Change note to perturb him!
???U???: Deer possessed you twice, we hear! Publicity for the moon? It gets even crazier before he appears!
???N???: Leech scurries around, but gains direction for him.
INCANUS: Fiery ball runs back to meet mixed-up killer for him.
GIMLI: Note measure losing direction, and spin to find him.
LEGOLAS: Measure a pudding, and mix it well for him.

Don't think I'd advise eating it either - it sounds revolting! I may have had it as a child. Quite like tapioca, I imagine.

[Galadriel55]

Are these now supposed to be council members who are also Fellowship members? That would make the remaining two hobbits.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

#3: Of the Council attendees, even including aliases, the only ones containing U are Incanus (used), Tharkun (just used recently, and the same guy), and Underhill. I can't work that out.

[Galadriel55]

#3: Of the Council attendees, even including aliases, the only ones containing U are Incanus (used), Tharkun (just used recently, and the same guy), and Underhill. I can't work that out.

Unless it's hobbit names in Westron, but I can't make those work either. Any ideas? :confused:

[Huinesoron]

Let's try RAZANUR TUK, aka Pippin. It includes 'Rana' (a name of the Moon) and two Us ('possessed U twice'), so all we need is to find a deer and publicity in... ZRTK.

...

Maybe not?

Frodo is also given the name 'Daur' on the Field of Cormallen, which at least starts with a D(eer), but unless there's some sneaky subtraction in the clue, I can't see it.

hS

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Well, Underhill contains LUN-R....

Could "Deer possesses you twice" just mean E?

___________

Pippin wasn't at the Council

[Pervinca Took]

There is another alias that no-one has mentioned yet.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

OK, let's see:

Halfelven
Peredhel

Strider
Telcontar
Elessar
Elfstone
Estel
Thorongil
Longshanks
Renewer
Wingfoot
Stick-at-nought

Underhill
Ringbearer
Maura
Deputy Mayor

Gardner
Banazir Galpsi
Great Elf-warrior

Greenleaf

Mithrandir
Incanus
Tharkun
Lathspell
Greyhame
Stormcrow
Olorin

Goldilocks

[Pervinca Took]

None of those.

(Who would Goldilocks be?)

[William Cloud Hicklin]

(Who would Goldilocks be?)

Glorfindel, in English

[William Cloud Hicklin]

None of those.



But "Mad Baggins" doesn't have a U in it!

[Galadriel55]

Were Banazir and Maura also accounted for? I can't make them work, but who knows. They would fit in thematically, with all the people in the password and theme mentioned once.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Were Banazir and Maura also accounted for? I can't make them work, but who knows. They would fit in thematically, with all the people in the password and theme mentioned once.

She just used Maura a couple of days ago. Banazir has no U.

I've played with FULLWISE, which is really a stretch (a punning compliment, not really an alias). But I can't make that work either.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

All right, there were 7 persons at the Council who would join the Fellowship:

Frodo
Sam
Gandalf
Aragorn
Boromir
Legolas
Gimli

All those are accounted for except the two hobbits, and that suggests that we are indeed looking at Maura for U and Banazir for N. But I can't make either one work.

[Pervinca Took]

1. I never said they were all in the Fellowship.

2. There is a *pair* of aliases that is bestowed once, and in the same sentence, but not in the published LOTR or its appendices. One of the remaining answers is one from this pair.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

2. There is a *pair* of aliases that is bestowed once, and in the same sentence, but not in the published LOTR or its appendices. One of the remaining answers is one from this pair.


Oooh, that's sneaky! Not in the published Lord of the Rings, because it's in the unpublished Epilogue. "Master Perhael who should be called Panthael." (Master Samwise who should be called Fullwise). So I was on the right track!

Panthael contains HEAL (leech; we just talked about that definition), and the required N, which is the "direction." I just can't figure out PAT.

[Pervinca Took]

I'm sneaky? Have you tried Huey's passwords? ;)

It isn't Panthael, or Perhael, and it isn't in the Epilogue.

But you DO have the right CHARACTER.

The pair of aliases are bestowed UPON a pair. One for each character.

By the way, the 'pair of aliases' clue is the U clue, not the leech one!

[William Cloud Hicklin]

WOW! Now THAT is digging deep: Harthad Uluithiad "Hope Unquenchable," the poetic name given to Sam by Gandalf at Theoden's funeral feast in the first draft of "Many Partings."

HART + HAD + 2 U's + ITHIL + AD. Jeez.

[Pervinca Took]

TELCONTAR: Negative rattle troubled him.
BOROMIR: More capacious? Change note to perturb him!
HARTHAD ULUITHIAD: Deer possessed you twice, we hear! Publicity for the moon? It gets even crazier before he appears!
???N???: Leech scurries around, but gains direction for him.
INCANUS: Fiery ball runs back to meet mixed-up killer for him.
GIMLI: Note measure losing direction, and spin to find him.
LEGOLAS: Measure a pudding, and mix it well for him.

Well, given that I was writing my third 'Council attendees' password in a row, I had to put *something* challenging into it! And it was also the only way I could get a U, because I needed 'Incanus' for the second C.

Not *that* long ago I used the twin-term, BRONWE ATHAN HARTHAD, as one of my passwords, and I thought some of you might remember it and realise Sam was given a 'name' at the same time. Frodo's means 'Endurance Beyond Hope,' so the answers to the clues were things like Amon Sul (for Weathertop), various other sites of woundings, Hunger, Thirst, Ringbearing, but also Aragorn's Singing :D (Weathertop camp fire) and Rankin-Bass songs, which I called the trick question. :D

That was probably my favourite of all my passwords, not least because Frodo is my favourite literary character.

I don't think I could manage to find 16 different kinds of *hope* though, so Sam will have to be content with *his* alias just being the answer to an individual clue. :)

Now, for the last one. It's not as hard as it seems. It uses an *unusual* synonym for 'leech,' but one that is there in the list if you google for synonyms. It's how I found it, anyway. (Well, at least, I googled the word I needed to use and got 'leech' as an option).

[Pervinca Took]

...

OK. You can find leech if you google for synonyms of the word we need, but you can't google leech and find the word we need.

Think of a leech as an idler who does no useful work. Think of another term, maybe in the insect community ....

[Urwen]

Elrond (Drone + L, for left)

[Pervinca Took]

TELCONTAR: Negative rattle troubled him.
BOROMIR: More capacious? Change note to perturb him!
HARTHAD ULUITHIAD: Deer possessed you twice, we hear! Publicity for the moon? It gets even crazier before he appears!
ELROND: Leech scurries around, but gains direction for him.
INCANUS: Fiery ball runs back to meet mixed-up killer for him.
GIMLI: Note measure losing direction, and spin to find him.
LEGOLAS: Measure a pudding, and mix it well for him.

THEME: PEOPLE PRESENT AT THE COUNCIL OF ELROND.

Drone and Elrond it is.

I wanted to make it COUNCIL the first time, but could only find one C. Then I realised I'd forgotten Incanus, but I'd written the clues for MEETING and also I couldn't have used all the lesser-known ones like Erestor and Galdor in COUNCIL.

Anyway! Over to William.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

OK, let's go in a different direction!

1: This wagon was Gollum's turbulent cause of death, more or less
2: Diseased whale: it's serious.
3: Seven sisters give direction to a goofy mime? Pointless anger!
4: The cause of the insanity- it sounded like an Eastern leer, eh?
5: You'll find Sol in the endless golf cave river.
6: "To hold your goal and yourself in both hands, you must first let it be"- the Messenger
7: Vigorous activity results in the opposite of depressed for the star bird.
8: "Cut the head off that phone salesman, send it to Giles' anarchic lordship!" exclaim the pirates. Oh, Ryan!

[Urwen]

8. Corsairs?

[William Cloud Hicklin]

8. Corsairs?

A bit too literal

[Urwen]

A little tip: your clues are also supposed to contain a straight clue (ie. something which describes the answer. For example, 'Jewel-Maker' = Feanor. Using 'him' or 'her' will suffice too. Take a look at Pervinca's puzzles for reference.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

A little tip: your clues are also supposed to contain a straight clue (ie. something which describes the answer. For example, 'Jewel-Maker' = Feanor. Using 'him' or 'her' will suffice too. Take a look at Pervinca's puzzles for reference.

Edited.

[Urwen]

3. Valier?
7. Elwing?
8. Rian?

[William Cloud Hicklin]

3. Valier?
7. Elwing?
8. Rian?


Nuh-uh.

Here's a hint: only one of the eight is a person.

[Pervinca Took]

1. This made me wonder if there could be a make of car called LAVA.

I don't think there is, but, fascinatingly, there is a car rental company called LAVA CARS at two locations in Iceland! :D

[Pervinca Took]

I think 3 is MENELMACAR or MENELVIGOR for Orion / The Seven Sisters, but I can't quite get mime AND anger (presumably without a compass point) to work in either.

[Pervinca Took]

Hang on ...

8 is TELEMAKTAR, isn't it? (Telemarketer).

Because Oh Ryan = Orion.

Not sure about the decapitation, though.

Is the theme stars and constellations?

[Pervinca Took]

Sorry. I thought the Seven Sisters was another name for Orion.

It isn't. It's the Pleiades.

Which makes 3 REMMIRATH: MIME + WRATH - W + R.

This makes me wonder if the password is EARENDIL, (the one answer that is a person, as per William's hint), but I think 8 has to be Telemaktar. Maybe Earendil for a password not/not wholly made of initial letters?

[Pervinca Took]

1. Is this CARnil?

Well ... it's red, like the lava.

And it contains 'car' for wagon.

And there was no/nil car at that point to rescue him ... the Eagles had not yet arrived.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

1: This wagon was Gollum's turbulent cause of death, more or less
2: Diseased whale: it's serious.
3: REMMIRATH
4: The cause of the insanity- it sounded like an Eastern leer, eh?
5: You'll find Sol in the endless golf cave river.
6: "To hold your goal and yourself in both hands, you must first let it be"- the Messenger
7: Vigorous activity results in the opposite of depressed for the star bird.
8: "Cut the head off that phone salesman, send it to Giles' anarchic lordship!" exclaim the pirates. Oh, Ryan!

8: you're very, very close.

1: LAVA is a component, yes....

Theme: The Heavenly Lights

[Pervinca Took]

1. VALACIRCA.

LAVA + CIRCA (around).

Does this constellation look like a wagon?

8. TELIMEKTAR? (my spelling was wrong). Or TELUMEHTAR?

[Huinesoron]

1. VALACIRCA.

LAVA + CIRCA (around).

Does this constellation look like a wagon?

It's known as the Wain in some circles, which I believe means wagon. :)

#2: Uin the great whale is ill? It must be ILLUIN, the northern Lamp.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

The Plough, yes, which looks like a wagon (just checked it).

Ah, I found Uin, but not the star/lamp. :)

...

Telumehtar Umbardacil defeated the corsairs (pirates). I never heard of a corsair named Giles, though ... farmers can be dark horses.

[Pervinca Took]

I think 6 might be EARENDIL. It begins with EA (Be!) and has END (goal). Can't account for RIL, but he went to the Valar as a messenger.

Oh! R and L for both hands, (right and left), and I for 'yourself/himself?'

[Huinesoron]

I think 6 might be EARENDIL. It begins with EA (Be!) and has END (goal). Can't account for RIL, but he went to the Valar as a messenger.

I for 'yourself', and L+R for 'both hands' (left and right)? It fits together in the right order, too.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Great minds ....

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Nice work on Earendil!

Also Illuin is right, but I screwed up the clue a bit, since I confused Illuin (the northern Lamp) with Helluin (Sirius).

And #1, got it. According to Tolkien, the Shire-Hobbits called the Plough (Big Dipper, Ursa Major) the Wain, a synonym for wagon he used quite a bit, as in Wainriders. Also called the Sickle and the Burning Briar: almost as multimonickered as Aragorn!

Close enough on #8, since Tolkien never could decide how exactly it was spelt. (Farmer) Giles' lordship was Thame, and pirates exclaim "R!" (Arrrr)

1: VALACIRCA
2: ILLUIN
3: REMMIRATH
4: The cause of the insanity- it sounded like an Eastern leer, eh?
5: You'll find Sol in the endless golf cave river.
6: EARENDIL
7: Vigorous activity results in the opposite of depressed for the star bird.
8: TELEMEHTAR

[Urwen]

Password: Almagest?

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Password: Almagest?


BULLSEYE! We have a winnah!

1: VALACIRCA
2: ILLUIN
3: REMMIRATH
4: ???A??? The cause of the insanity- it sounded like an Eastern leer, eh?
5: ???G??? You'll find Sol in the endless golf cave river.
6: EARENDIL
7: ???S??? Vigorous activity results in the opposite of depressed for the star bird.
8: TELEMEHTAR

[Pervinca Took]

Did 'cut the head off' mean 'Get rid of Umbardacil?'

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Did 'cut the head off' mean 'Get rid of Umbardacil?'



It meant remove the TELE from MARKETER and move ("send") it to scrambled THAME (Giles' anarchic lordship)

The answer is the constellation, not the King of Gondor.

[Urwen]

5. Edegil?

[Urwen]

7. Soronume?

[Urwen]

Anyone else up for helping me solve the remaining three?

[Pervinca Took]

I would if I had time, but I have a very busy week.

[Pervinca Took]

DAMN! Wilin means bird in Qenya, but the star bird clue needs an S, and Wilwarin doesn't have one.

[Pervinca Took]

4. Perhaps RANA, purely because the moon has traditionally been associated with lunacy. No idea about the 'Eastern leer.'

Or ANARRIMA, which contains 'mania.'

[Huinesoron]

#5: I've found the word 'BRAGLORIN', apparently for the sun, which contains the letters 'gol' - ie, golf without its end. I admit I'm not sure how 'bralin' comes out as [endless] cave river, but I figure it's worth a shot. :)

And I think I can provide an explanation for #7 SORONUME - it's an anagram ('vigorous activity') of UN-MOROSE ('the opposite of depressed'), and is of course a star bird by name.

hS

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Sorry, folks, was out of town the last 3 days.

7: Yes, SORONUME ("Eagle of the West," i.e. Aquila) is correct. Hun is absolutely right: UN-MOROSE
4: RANA is the right answer, and the 'lunacy' part is correct- but can you decode the clue?

5: keep trying, nobody's close yet (It is a tough one)

1: VALACIRCA
2: ILLUIN
3: REMMIRATH
4: ???A??? The cause of the insanity- it sounded like an Eastern leer, eh?
5: ???G??? You'll find Sol in the endless golf cave river.
6: EARENDIL
7: SORONUME
8: TELEMEHTAR

[Pervinca Took]

A cenote is a natural underground reservoir, but that's not quite the same as a cave river.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

5 uses all everyday words, nothing abstruse or archaic

[Pervinca Took]

There is a river called BIR in India. GOL is endless golf.

Is it BORGIL? Is the Sol element just that it's a red star?

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Wrong track~

[William Cloud Hicklin]

New page repost:

1: VALACIRCA
2: ILLUIN
3: REMMIRATH
4: ???A??? The cause of the insanity- it sounded like an Eastern leer, eh?
5: ???G??? You'll find Sol in the endless golf cave river.
6: EARENDIL
7: SORONUME
8: TELEMEHTAR

[Pervinca Took]

I don't think we're going to get this without a hint. Nor the Rana clue.

Please? ;)

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Okay- what sounds like "leer"?

For the other one, "endless golf" does indeed mean GOL. Just keep going. It's a straightforward GOL + {synonym} + {synonym}

[Huinesoron]

I'm thinking the 'eh' is read as 'A', which makes 'Eastern leer' RAN. After that... dunno.

I think cave is DEN, meaning the answer starts with GOLDEN. The clue suggests it to be a name for the Sun, so we need a second word which is a synonym for river.

Oh! Is it GOLDEN FLOWER (of Laurelin)? But I thought Anar was formed from a fruit...

hS

[Urwen]

Actually, according to Sil, it was formed from flower.

[Nerwen]

Actually, according to Sil, it was formed from flower.

The Moon was the fruit- and I think RÁNA- (Eastern Lear + A), and well-known to promote lunacy- is the final answer.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

And there we have it!

1: VALACIRCA
2: ILLUIN
3: REMMIRATH
4: RANA
5: GOLDEN FLOWER
6: EARENDIL
7: SORONUME
8: TELEMEHTAR

(Note on #5: The "Golden Flower" of Glorfindel's House was the Sun, poetically expressed. River = FLOW-ER)


Over to Urwen....

[Urwen]

This one is.....well, you'll see....

1. A puzzle gains direction for him
2. A state abbreviation inside of a long period of time, for her
3. Muddled distant reverse edge for him.
4. Follow through, with a direction? She will not do this.
5. A vehicle, noted. She appears
6. Muddle up his task to get his name.
7. Note Maltese money, returned. For her
8. Mix this compound for him
9. Greet the key for her
10. Rearrange a rodent containing lime for her
11. Mixed complex plant tissue, for him

[Huinesoron]

Too much of a headache to focus on the new riddle now, but I have to quote:

Yet even as hope failed and her song faltered, Telperion bore at last upon a leafless bough one great flower of silver, and Laurelin a single fruit of gold.

(The Glorfindel ref makes sense.)

And I have to ask: how is 'ran' synonymous with 'Eastern Lear'? Are we on King Lear, or something else?

hS