Password

[Urwen]

And this?

Which means the last one is The Desolation of Smaug

[Urwen]

What are the heads of FAILED and ENTERPRISES?


F and E?

[William Cloud Hicklin]

F and E?


And FE can mean....?

[Urwen]

Oh, you mean Iron Hills?

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Oh, you mean Iron Hills?

SHILL + Fe = IRON HILLS


1: WITHERED HEATH
2: IRON HILLS
3: LONELY MOUNTAIN
4: RIVENDELL
5: ESGAROTH
6: RIVER RUNNING
7: ELVENKING'S HALLS
8: LAKETOWN
9: BEORN
10: DALE


Over to you!

[Urwen]

I've prepared this one in advance. :D

1. In turmoil, goals meet endless direction, for him
2. A tree? Nay! Spin it for her.
3. A disturbed distant number for him
4. Mix a drink with a direction for him
5. A Monopoly square inside of a favor for him
6. Chase an element and a note in circles for a songstress
7. A fish and a triple direction combine for her that was lost
8. A geek and a winding street combine for her
9. An organized crime group and a double direction circulate for him
10. A pronoun within a bloomer for her

[Pervinca Took]

Ah, looked up 'shill.' It's North American slang.

See, it's not only me that does it! :D

[Pervinca Took]

8. NERDANEL.

NERD plus 'winding' LANE.

[Pervinca Took]

9. Faramir.

Mafia + r + r.

[Pervinca Took]

7. Less confident here, but I'll try ELENWE.

EEL + N + W + E.

[Urwen]

1. In turmoil, goals meet endless direction, for him
2. A tree? Nay! Spin it for her.
3. A disturbed distant number for him
4. Mix a drink with a direction for him
5. A Monopoly square inside of a favor for him
6. Chase an element and a note in circles for a songstress
ELENWE: A fish and a triple direction combine for her that was lost
NERDANEL: A geek and a winding street combine for her
FARAMIR: An organized crime group and a double direction circulate for him
10. A pronoun within a bloomer for her

[Urwen]

My bad. It seems that the password isn't entirely operational. Please stand by while I fix this.

[Pervinca Took]

5 answers are him and 5 are her.

Is it romantic pairs, with SWEETHEART for the password?

[Pervinca Took]

6. LUTHIEN

Li (Lithium) + HUNT + E

[Pervinca Took]

4. Beren (beer + n).

[Urwen]

Well, here is the better password.

1. A pronoun within a bloomer for her
2. A tree? Nay! Spin it for her.
3. A disturbed distant number for him
BEREN: Mix a drink with a direction for him
5. A Monopoly square inside of a favor for him
LUTHIEN: Chase an element and a note in circles for a songstress
ELENWE: A fish and a triple direction combine for her that was lost
NERDANEL: A geek and a winding street combine for her
FARAMIR: An organized crime group and a double direction circulate for him
10. In turmoil, goals meet endless direction; add an article without a tail and a perturbed animal, for him

THEME: TOLKIEN ROMANTIC COUPLES

[Urwen]

Please don't guess further until I include all the answers guessed so far. I forgot one of the Ts and have amended this now.

[Urwen]

Okay, you may now continue.

[Pervinca Took]

3. Feanor.

Far + one.

[Pervinca Took]

Is 5 TURGON - just 'go' inside 'turn?'

[Urwen]

1. A pronoun within a bloomer for her
2. A tree? Nay! Spin it for her.
FEANOR: A disturbed distant number for him
BEREN: Mix a drink with a direction for him
TURGON: A Monopoly square inside of a favor for him
LUTHIEN: Chase an element and a note in circles for a songstress
ELENWE: A fish and a triple direction combine for her that was lost
NERDANEL: A geek and a winding street combine for her
FARAMIR: An organized crime group and a double direction circulate for him
10. In turmoil, goals meet endless direction; add an article without a tail and a perturbed animal, for him

THEME: TOLKIEN ROMANTIC COUPLES

[Pervinca Took]

2. Eowyn

yew + no.

[Urwen]

1. A pronoun within a bloomer for her
EOWYN: A tree? Nay! Spin it for her.
FEANOR: A disturbed distant number for him
BEREN: Mix a drink with a direction for him
TURGON: A Monopoly square inside of a favor for him
LUTHIEN: Chase an element and a note in circles for a songstress
ELENWE: A fish and a triple direction combine for her that was lost
NERDANEL: A geek and a winding street combine for her
FARAMIR: An organized crime group and a double direction circulate for him
10. In turmoil, goals meet endless direction; add an article without a tail and a perturbed animal, for him

THEME: TOLKIEN ROMANTIC COUPLES

[Pervinca Took]

Oh, of course - GO *is* a Monopoly square. 'Do not pass go.'

[Urwen]

I am going to bed now. Will look at all the remaining answers come morn.

(P.S: No. 1 is preposterously easy, and so is number 10 - once you find no. 1, that is. ;))

[Pervinca Took]

Oh ...

Rosie. I within rose.

[Pervinca Took]

10. In turmoil, goals meet endless direction; add an article without a tail and a perturbed animal, for him.

SAMWISE

AIMS + WES(T).

I suppose the rest is Gamgee, or Gardner. Can't see the animal, unless it's GG. And can only see A for the article.

(Password: SWEETHEART).

[William Cloud Hicklin]

1 is ROSIE (ROSE + I)

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Hmmm- 10 has to contain a T; SAMWISE doesn't, and neither do either of his 'normal' surnames.

[Urwen]

ROSIE: 1. A pronoun within a bloomer for her
EOWYN: A tree? Nay! Spin it for her.
FEANOR: A disturbed distant number for him
BEREN: Mix a drink with a direction for him
TURGON: A Monopoly square inside of a favor for him
LUTHIEN: Chase an element and a note in circles for a songstress
ELENWE: A fish and a triple direction combine for her that was lost
NERDANEL: A geek and a winding street combine for her
FARAMIR: An organized crime group and a double direction circulate for him
T: In turmoil, goals meet endless direction; add an article without a tail and a perturbed animal, for him

THEME: TOLKIEN ROMANTIC COUPLES

[Urwen]

Hmmm- 10 has to contain a T; SAMWISE doesn't, and neither do either of his 'normal' surnames.


Try one of his titles.

[Pervinca Took]

Samwise the Strong would give us the article.

[Urwen]

Samwise the Strong would give us the article.


The article has no tail, and don't forget the animal clue either.

[Urwen]

https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Samwise_Gamgee

Look on this page, under the heading of 'other names', and you'll see what I mean.

[Pervinca Took]

Well, PANTHAEL has TH and APE, but not much else, AFAICS.

[Urwen]

Not that one.

[Pervinca Took]

One I used recently has a HART, but it's unperturbed. ;)

[Urwen]

Here is a hint

I meant one of these:
Sam,
Samwis Gamwich,
Samwise Gammidgy,
Samwise Gardner,
Samwise the Brave,
Sneaky little hobbitses,
Banazîr,
Perhael (in Sindarin)

[Pervinca Took]

Well, Gammidgy has a *midge* without a tail. :p

[Urwen]

Well, Gammidgy has a *midge* without a tail. :p

No.....

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Got it! Samwise the Brave, BEAVER + THE -E

[Urwen]

ROSIE: 1. A pronoun within a bloomer for her
EOWYN: A tree? Nay! Spin it for her.
FEANOR: A disturbed distant number for him
BEREN: Mix a drink with a direction for him
TURGON: A Monopoly square inside of a favor for him
LUTHIEN: Chase an element and a note in circles for a songstress
ELENWE: A fish and a triple direction combine for her that was lost
NERDANEL: A geek and a winding street combine for her
FARAMIR: An organized crime group and a double direction circulate for him
SAMWISE THE BRAVE: In turmoil, goals meet endless direction; add an article without a tail and a perturbed animal, for him

THEME: TOLKIEN ROMANTIC COUPLES

Over to Pervinca.

[Pervinca Took]

And thankfully, I now have a lovely new laptop with my documents installed on it, so it won't be a fourth one about the Council of Elrond that I've had to make up on the hoof!

Here you go:

1. Repair and reign through turmoil, he does. Move along one.
2. Back number thirteen. Initially lose trust, but replace with direction. See her!
3. She reforms one long-serving prisoner.
4. A dwarf sickens, but is restored by her.
5. No ease of the womb, we hear. At sixes and sevens, he is.
6. He arranged a note of complaint.
7. Was she heard to mock or gloat at the time?

[Urwen]

Three 'he' and four 'she'.

.....Are you continuing my 'romantic couples' idea?

[Pervinca Took]

No.

I did 2 couples ones myself, quite a while ago.

(Well, a while in terms of this thread. It moves very quickly these days!)

[Urwen]

All right, 1 is Meneldur (Mend+Rule)

[Urwen]

And the theme is rulers of Numenor.

[Pervinca Took]

MENELDUR: Repair and reign through turmoil, he does. Move along one.
2. Back number thirteen. Initially lose trust, but replace with direction. See her!
3. She reforms one long-serving prisoner.
4. A dwarf sickens, but is restored by her.
5. No ease of the womb, we hear. At sixes and sevens, he is.
6. He arranged a note of complaint.
7. Was she heard to mock or gloat at the time?

Nowt to do with Numenor.

[Urwen]

There is only one Meneldur, the King of Numenor, though. There are no other people who bore that name.

[Urwen]

4. Aredhel (RED (DWARF) + HEAL)

Theme: Characters whose names weren't reused

[Urwen]

Could the password be ERENDIS

[Pervinca Took]

No to Aredhel.

No to the theme. (That would be VERY broad!)

[Pervinca Took]

No to Erendis.

MENELDUR: Repair and reign through turmoil, he does. Move along one.
2. Back number thirteen. Initially lose trust, but replace with direction. See her!
3. She reforms one long-serving prisoner.
4. A dwarf sickens, but is restored by her.
5. No ease of the womb, we hear. At sixes and sevens, he is.
6. He arranged a note of complaint.
7. Was she heard to mock or gloat at the time?

[Urwen]

No comment regarding this?

There is only one Meneldur, the King of Numenor, though. There are no other people who bore that name.

[Urwen]

Well, let's see. Since Meneldur is the only individual with that name, and he is connected to Numenor, and you said the theme has nothing to do with Numenor, and that he named himself after the sky, something tells me that the theme is individuals named after celestial objects.

[Pervinca Took]

I have already commented on it! It is not names only used once.

Try guessing some more clues!

EDIT: And no, not people named after celestial objects.

[Urwen]

I have already commented on it! It is not names only used once.

Try guessing some more clues!


Okay, but my confusion stems from the fact that the theme has nothing to do with Numenor, since there is only one Meneldur, and he is connected to Numenor.....

[Pervinca Took]

But guessing themes is really a thing to do when you have a few answers and can see connections, isn't it? I think it's more fun that way, anyhow.

[Urwen]

Notes: A B C D E F G

[Urwen]

I'm thinking that for 2, we need to reverse number thirteen.

[Pervinca Took]

I had actually forgotten how that clue worked, because of being unable to access my pre-written passwords for a while and having to write new ones. But I thought for a while and then remembered.

It isn't by reversing thirteen. ;)

[Urwen]

Do we need to find another word for back and for thirteen? I found only one synonym for thirteen, and it's 'long dozen'. And the only names containing Z are those adunaic names, like Zimraphel. Except that the puzzle has no Numenorean connection.

[Pervinca Took]

No word for back needed, and not a synonym of thirteen.

Don't want to give this away just yet - try another clue, perhaps?

EDIT … or … try the second part of the clue first.

[Urwen]

Initially lose trust means LT. If we replace that with direction, we get LD.

[Urwen]

Elfhild? (ELHI + F + LD)

[Urwen]

And I would try another clue, but all of them are just as confusing as this one, except for the Meneldur clue.

And there just happens to be a Feanor-centric storytelling masterpiece that I'm rather engrossed in, so I think I will lurk about for a while and let others try.

[Pervinca Took]

Sure, no problem. Once one or two more are guessed, the rest will probably tumble.

[Urwen]

So my Elfhild guess is not correct, I take it. Does the name still end with LD?

[Pervinca Took]

Not LD and not Elfhild.

Not trust, but a synonym of it.

[Urwen]

But it also says 'initially' which implies an acronym.

[Urwen]

Also, where is everyone else?

[Urwen]

BELIEF as synonym for TRUST

[Urwen]

or FAITH?

[Urwen]

Also, no one else is willing to try despite the fact that I apologized in public, and having more people participating makes it more enjoyable. *makes frustrated noises*

[Pervinca Took]

One of those is correct.

Maybe they just aren't around. The thread is often quiet for a while. It once stopped entirely for a whole year!

[Urwen]

That means that FAITH loses T, but gains D for direction.

[Pervinca Took]

Faith is right. The direction is not.

[Urwen]

13 looks like LE when transmuted to letters. First letter of faith is F. First letters of four directions are N, S, E, and W. The trouble is combining these into something coherent.

[Urwen]

Firiel

F - Faith
IE - 13 transmuted into letters
R - direction
IL - For 'Initially lost'

If you move those letters around, they spell FIRIEL

[Urwen]

4 is Gilmith (from GIMLI)

[Urwen]

And these make me think that these are all connected to people of Gondor, for Lords of Andunie were descendants of Silmarien, Meneldur's sister. And in turn, Gondorian Kings were descended from Lords of Andunie.

This means that Silmarien must be an answer to one of the clues.

[Pervinca Took]

2 is not Firiel. 4 is not Gilmith.

Not lords of Andunie.

13 is not LE.

[Urwen]

Then I give up. :(

I can't think of anything else.

These last few passwords (with exceptions of my own) are too tough for me....sorry.....

(Unless you provide some small clues, that is)

P.S: Clues are supposed to be simple and help us solve it, not confound us further. At least that's what I believe.....

[Urwen]

There are too many things that fit and yet don't fit, and too many synonyms to pursue a clear line of thinking.

Can you at least tell me what 'number thirteen' means?

[Pervinca Took]

But your plant fibre clue was horrendously difficult! And I couldn't solve William's last puzzle at all!

Let's see if Huey or William can work out what 13 means.

I don't want to give the answers away until others have had a chance. Otherwise there's no point in writing challenging clues.

[Pervinca Took]

I'm sure the others are just busy, or away for a day or two. That's one reason I don't post much in Books. I haven't time to respond in depth to the discussions. Solving individual clues takes far less time and I enjoy it anyway, and I can generally write a set of clues quickly once I get an idea.

[Urwen]

Fine, then I will make super challenging clues when my next turn comes, and I will give no help whatsoever to any of you. Treat others how you want to be treated and all that.

[Urwen]

I'm sure the others are just busy, or away for a day or two. That's one reason I don't post much in Books. I haven't time to respond in depth to the discussions. Solving individuals clues takes far less time and I enjoy it anyway, and I can generally write a set of clues quickly once I get an idea.

No, they are not. At least three puzzles have come and gone, and only William, me and you were around to solve them. Huinesoron and G55 have gone MIA, so I won't expect them to chime in if I were you.

[Pervinca Took]

Be fair. Let the others at least have a go, then I will give further help.

[Urwen]

Be fair. Let the others at least have a go, then I will give further help.

It would be at least a year before Huinesoron/G55 decide to 'have a go'. What are we supposed to in the meantime? I mean, there is only so much William and I could do.....

[Pervinca Took]

I think William will provide the missing bits and you will be able to solve them together. I provided one or two missing links so you could solve a couple of his last clues, if you remember. RGN which he clarified as RN, and Hagar, Sarah's handmaid.

Try relaxing and enjoying the game. And taking a break and seeing if the next day you can think of a different perspective on a clue. Instead of trying to batter all the clues to death at once if you can't find the answers at once.

[Urwen]

Okay, but don't expect everyone to chime in. Also, remember this:

In addition, a thread may be considered stagnant if there has been no new post for 10 days or more. In any of these circumstances, anyone may ask a new question on the topic.

[Pervinca Took]

MENELDUR: Repair and reign through turmoil, he does. Move along one.
2. Back number thirteen. Initially lose trust, but replace with direction. See her!
3. She reforms one long-serving prisoner.
4. A dwarf sickens, but is restored by her.
5. No ease of the womb, we hear. At sixes and sevens, he is.
6. He arranged a note of complaint.
7. Was she heard to mock or gloat at the time?

[Urwen]

Please prove me wrong, Huinesoron.....

ETA: And.....He's gone again. You see what I mean? T.T

[Pervinca Took]

Yes, I know the ten day rule. We're currently on about half a day! And where I live, and I think Huey too, it is now bedtime. Good night!

[Urwen]

Yes, I know the ten day rule. We're currently on about half a day! And where I live, and I think Huey too, it is now bedtime. Good night!

And I suppose that you think that he and G55 would magically pop up just to try to solve this despite being absent for more than a week? :c

[Galadriel55]

Okay, but don't expect everyone to chime in. Also, remember this:

With you bumping threads up each time they've been silent for more than a few hours, we won't run into that problem.

It would be at least a year before Huinesoron/G55 decide to 'have a go'. What are we supposed to in the meantime? I mean, there is only so much William and I could do.....

Why don't you speak for yourself and don't decide for others. Realize too that no one is obligated to post. If you're bored, you could start making a list of 50 realistic reasons why people don't post every hour of the day. Hint: "they just want to make the password solving more difficult for you" is not one of them.

[Galadriel55]

3. She reforms one long-serving prisoner.

I couldn't come up with anything except for Jean Valjean for the prisoner, but he has too many J's for Tolkien names and from what I can remember there are no Janes in any of the family trees.

A google search brought me to Paul Geidel, who served the longest sentence in the States. This has more promising letters but I still don't get a clean acronym.

[Pervinca Took]

Not Valjean or Geidel, and indeed not any *specific* prisoner.

OK. A clue for Urwen.

I told you FAITH was right, but look again at that part of that clue. There is one vital word that you are overlooking.

[Urwen]

You mean LOST. I included it in my Firiel guess as letter L. I mean, it says 'Initially lose trust', which implies that we need initials of Faith and Lost, ie. F and L.

[Urwen]

Why don't you speak for yourself and don't decide for others. Realize too that no one is obligated to post. If you're bored, you could start making a list of 50 realistic reasons why people don't post every hour of the day. Hint: "they just want to make the password solving more difficult for you" is not one of them.

There is a difference between not posting every hour of every day and not posting for more than a week, just sayin'. And if you're that busy, then you're not magically going to become unbusy. I apologize if me being realistic offends you this much.

[Huinesoron]

No, they are not. At least three puzzles have come and gone, and only William, me and you were around to solve them. Huinesoron and G55 have gone MIA, so I won't expect them to chime in if I were you.

It would be at least a year before Huinesoron/G55 decide to 'have a go'. What are we supposed to in the meantime? I mean, there is only so much William and I could do.....

Please prove me wrong, Huinesoron.....

ETA: And.....He's gone again. You see what I mean? T.T

There is a difference between not posting every hour of every day and not posting for more than a week, just sayin'. And if you're that busy, then you're not magically going to become unbusy. I apologize if me being realistic offends you this much.

o.O

In my case, not so much 'busy' as 'stressed and wrung-out'; I think I said that last time this came up. And yes, before you ask, it actually does take less mental energy to post a weird theory to Books than to puzzle out cryptic clues.

Also, I remember a very long period which mostly consisted of Pervinca and I bouncing passwords off each other; sometimes people don't engage with the same threads you do, and that's okay.

Alsø alsø wik, are you monitoring Downs activity to see who's around? O.o That sounds more like something you'd do to catch suspiciously quiet wolves in Werewolf.

---===---

Anyway: here I am, in much less than a year.

1/ MEneldur, as already guessed. A few possible themes here; Urwen has already passed through several.

2/ In a Tolkien context, thirteen immediately suggests 'thirteen dwarves'. The thirteenth arrival at Bilbo's house was Thorin himself, who goes back as Niroht. That... doesn't sound very coherent, honestly, and there's no anagram indicator in the clue (Pervinca tends to include those).

Alternately, my name being taken in vain suggests we might be looking elsewhere... how about elements? Element 13 is aluminium, or Al - and LA is a perfect way to start a Tolkien name.

And y'know, if you lose the initial of 'faith' (thanks, Urwen), you get AITH... slap those two together and stick an L for Left in the middle, and you hit LALAITH.

3/ looks like an anagram ('reforms'). I was about to start thinking of prisoners, but Pervinca says it's not a specific one... synonyms? 'Lifer' means a long-serving prisoner, and 'one' suggests we add an A... no, make that a Roman I, to get FIRIEL.

4/ Well, the movies tell me this must be TAURIEL. :p (Beleg of course healed Mim, but was male, so far as we know.)

5/ 'at sixes and sevens' makes me think of Don't Cry For Me, Argentina, but that's sung by a woman, so maybe not. Did you know there's precisely one instance of the phrase "ease of the womb" on Google? So... I'm guessing a synonym for 'no ease' (pain? hard?), and a soundalike for 'womb'. No idea about the latter part, unless it's pointing to a 2-letter character spelt out on letters 6 and 7 (in the clue, that would be EO, which is almost EOL, but I'm guessing not.)

6/ 'arranged' suggests an anagram, adding a note (A-G, as Urwen says) to a synonym for complaint. I'm no good at anagrams unless I have a theme to aim at.

7/ At the time? Er, when? :O Is the answer URWEN? ^_^ It would actually kind of fit - 'heard' indicates a soundalike, and it's a valid answer to 'at the time?'. Could also be 'her, when?'.

I'm pretty confident of my answers for 2 and 3, so what to Meneldur, Lalaith, and Firiel have in common? Well... taking Firiel to be Miriel (wife of Finwe), they all changed their names - and, oddly enough, Lalaith changed from Urwen. That would mean we'd need both Miriel and Irimon as answers in there somewhere, as well as one other pair, of which one half would be the password (none of these answers start with E).

A quick browse suggest that ELESSAR would fit for the password with those conditions. So we'd be looking at the following overall:

1. mEneldur
2. Lalaith
3. firiEl
4. unclear, as neither Miriel or Urwen has an S
5. some name of Aragorn; Strider seems plausible, but I can't fit it to the clue.
6. would have to be Irimon, but there's no A. Meneldur also has the name Elentirmo, but again... the only possibility would be tAr-meneldur, but that seems a bit repetitive.
7. uRwen would work.

How've I done?

hS

[Pervinca Took]

MENELDUR: Repair and reign through turmoil, he does. Move along one.
LALAITH: Back number thirteen. Initially lose trust, but replace with direction. See her!
FIRIEL: She reforms one long-serving prisoner.
4. A dwarf sickens, but is restored by her.
5. No ease of the womb, we hear. At sixes and sevens, he is.
6. He arranged a note of complaint.
7. Was she heard to mock or gloat at the time?

Exactly ... I thought a scientist might figure that it was 'atomic number 13.' As I said, I had forgotten my own thinking behind that clue, though, and had to stop for a minute or two and figure it out.

Urwen ... you were missing that it was the INITIAL letter of FAITH.

[Urwen]

I cannot see any connection between Lalaith, Firiel and Meneldur, other than the one Huinesoron said....

[Urwen]

Firiel and Lalaith were both called 'elven-fair'. And Meneldur's birth name, Irimon, means 'beautiful man'. Is the connection that all three of them were considered 'fair'?

[Urwen]

The password could be Elf-Fair, then

[Urwen]

4. Miriel (M for Mim + IL + I for Is + RE)

[Urwen]

I did my research, and another common thing that Firiel, Meneldur and Lalaith share is that all of them had two siblings.

[Huinesoron]

Firiel and Lalaith were both called 'elven-fair'. And Meneldur's birth name, Irimon, means 'beautiful man'. Is the connection that all three of them were considered 'fair'?

In this case the password could be ELFWINE, as in Elfwine the Fair, son of Eomer. That would put a W in the answer to #4, but I can't see a useful answer from that.

The characters actually surnamed 'the Fair' are Celegorm, Dior, Elanor, Hirluin, and Elfwine.

hS

[Urwen]

Other known characters with two siblings


Feanor, Fingolfin, Finarfin
Aredhel, Turgon, Fingon (unless we count Argon)
Turin, Nienor
Ailinel, Almariel
Elwing, Elured, Elurin
Elwe, Olwe, Elmo

[Urwen]

Something tells me you got the password, otherwise, Pervinca wouldn't be posting a reply for this long.

[Pervinca Took]

5. Huinesoron has applied 'we hear' to the wrong element.

No to Huey's theme and password, too.

...

People are different. Cryptic clues to me are fun things I can do between other things, but lit discussion takes time and headspace I don't have. (Unless someone mentions Frodo, of course. :D). But it's mostly First Age, which I learned to love in later years but still don't know as intimately as LOTR.

[Pervinca Took]

Something tells me you got the password, otherwise, Pervinca wouldn't be posting a reply for this long.

No. Pervinca is at WORK.

[Pervinca Took]

4. You are not looking for a name of a dwarf, but a 'kind of' synonym for dwarf.

[Urwen]

Synonyms for 'dwarf': midget, bantam, Lilliputian, Tom Thumb, homunculus.

[Pervinca Took]

See above.

[Urwen]

I did, and nothing comes to mind.

[Urwen]

Is it one of these?

Synonyms for 'dwarf': midget, bantam, Lilliputian, Tom Thumb, homunculus.

[Urwen]

Or one of these?

gnome, goblin, hobgoblin, troll, imp, elf, brownie, kelpie, leprechaun, fairy, pixie, sprite

[Urwen]

4. Menegilda Goold (GNOME+ILL+GOADED)

[Pervinca Took]

Brilliant effort, but no.

Remember I said 'kind of' synonym. Think of something a dwarf *does.*

[Urwen]

Miner?

[Urwen]

M i n e r + i l l + r e n e w

[Urwen]

Maybe Elfhild is the password, as opposed to the clue.

[Huinesoron]

Brilliant effort, but no.

Remember I said 'kind of' synonym. Think of something a dwarf *does.*

If you dig, and are ill...

... then you're DINA DIGGLE, great-great-grandmother of Frodo Baggins.

^_^

hS

[Huinesoron]

Maybe Elfhild is the password, as opposed to the clue.

There's only so many names starting with Elf-; I can't see any link between Elfhild and the others. Lalaith, maybe - they both died early. And Firiel = Miriel did the same, I guess...

... and I suppose Tar-Meneldur abdicated early, to clear the way for Aldarion. So maybe?

For #5, I think 'at sixes and sevens' is just an anagram indicator.

hS

[Galadriel55]

There's only so many names starting with Elf-; I can't see any link between Elfhild and the others. Lalaith, maybe - they both died early. And Firiel = Miriel did the same, I guess...

Elfhelm also fits the letters, but again I have nothing theme-wise to support the answer.

[Urwen]

If you dig, and are ill...

... then you're DINA DIGGLE, great-great-grandmother of Frodo Baggins.

^_^

hS

If so, then it's D I G G E R, which doesn't fit w/your answer.

P.S: Try to solve the Musical Thread riddle as well, would u?

[Urwen]

Maybe 'sickens' is just an anagram indicator too.

[Urwen]

Except that it isn't.

4. Silmarien (MINER + AILS)

[Urwen]

Which makes me think I am right, and the theme is people with two siblings.

[Pervinca Took]

4/ Well, the movies tell me this must be TAURIEL. :p (Beleg of course healed Mim, but was male, so far as we know.)

I don't tend to refer to the films if I can help it. ;)

5/ 'at sixes and sevens' makes me think of Don't Cry For Me, Argentina

Indeed. Or it *could* be an anagram indicator.

7/ At the time? Er, when? :O Is the answer URWEN? ^_^ It would actually kind of fit - 'heard' indicates a soundalike, and it's a valid answer to 'at the time?'. Could also be 'her, when?'.

The WEN bit is right. Think back to playground days. What might you have said to someone to mock or gloat at them?

[Pervinca Took]

except that it isn't.

4. Silmarien (miner + ails)

Well done!!! :)

[Urwen]

I don't tend to refer to the films if I can help it. ;)



Indeed. Or it *could* be an anagram indicator.



The WEN bit is right. Think back to playground days. What might you have said to someone to mock or gloat at them?


Mean things?

[Huinesoron]

The WEN bit is right. Think back to playground days. What might you have said to someone to mock or gloat at them?

:O I am shocked, shocked that you think I would ever have done such a thing.

I was the one hiding in the corner. :p Ner ner ner!

... oh.

#7 NERWEN, perhaps?

hS

[Urwen]

Well done!!! :)


Is the password Elfhild or Elfhelm? Yea or nay?

[Urwen]

Women with 'wen' in their name: Morwen, Nerwen, Emerwen, Arwen, Urwen....

[Huinesoron]

Well done!!! :)

Uh-oh. Silmarien? That rules out, um... every name starting with 'elf'.

hS

[Urwen]

Maybe it is Urwen, with the phrase being 'You are' or 'U R'.

[Urwen]

Uh-oh. Silmarien? That rules out, um... every name starting with 'elf'.

hS


Only if the highlighted letter is the first one.

[Pervinca Took]

MENELDUR: Repair and reign through turmoil, he does. Move along one.
LALAITH: Back number thirteen. Initially lose trust, but replace with direction. See her!
FIRIEL: She reforms one long-serving prisoner.
SILMARIEN: A dwarf sickens, but is restored by her.
5. No ease of the womb, we hear. At sixes and sevens, he is.
6. He arranged a note of complaint.
NERWEN: Was she heard to mock or gloat at the time?

Sorry ... did not see that Huey had worked out what 'at sixes and sevens' was indicating. Things have been moving very fast!

[Urwen]

And if my supposition that individuals with two siblings is correct, then that leaves one of (Turin, Nienor, Isilme, Faramir or Artamir) as one of the remaining answers.

[Urwen]

Oh, oh, is the password ELFSTAN. There, I've nabbed it.

[Urwen]

Elfstan - sibling to Firiel
Lalaith - Sibling to Turin and Nienor
Nerwen - Sibling to Finrod and Orodreth and Angrod and Aegnor
Meneldur - Sibling to Silmarien


Meaning that 6 is Angrod (GROAN + D)

[Pervinca Took]

MENELDUR: Repair and reign through turmoil, he does. Move along one.
LALAITH: Back number thirteen. Initially lose trust, but replace with direction. See her!
FIRIEL: She reforms one long-serving prisoner.
SILMARIEN: A dwarf sickens, but is restored by her.
5. No ease of the womb, we hear. At sixes and sevens, he is.
6. He arranged a note of complaint.
7. Was she heard to mock or gloat at the time?

Sorry ... did not see that Huey had worked out what 'at sixes and sevens' was indicating. Things have been moving very fast!

EDIT: THIS WAS THE POST I MEANT TO ADD 'NERWEN' INTO ... BUT I HAD TO LEAVE WORK IN A HURRY!

[Urwen]

Does that mean Angrod, the password and the theme are all incorrect? And here I was certain I had it...

[Urwen]

The T clue must be either Turin or Orodreth. Not sure which one.

[Urwen]

Of the womb is UTERINE. UTERIN sounds like UTERINE. If we remove NE (for No Ease) we get Turin.

[Pervinca Took]

MENELDUR: Repair and reign through turmoil, he does. Move along one.
LALAITH: Back number thirteen. Initially lose trust, but replace with direction. See her!
FIRIEL: She reforms one long-serving prisoner.
SILMARIEN: A dwarf sickens, but is restored by her.
TURIN: No ease of the womb, we hear. At sixes and sevens, he is.
ANGROD: He arranged a note of complaint.
N: Was she heard to mock or gloat at the time?

THEME: BROTHER & SISTER PAIRS

Please give the reasoning for Turin and Angrod, though, (apart from them completing the pairs and starting with T and A respectively!)

[Urwen]

[QUOTE=Pervinca Took;716767]MENELDUR: Repair and reign through turmoil, he does. Move along one.
LALAITH: Back number thirteen. Initially lose trust, but replace with direction. See her!
FIRIEL: She reforms one long-serving prisoner.
SILMARIEN: A dwarf sickens, but is restored by her.
TURIN: No ease of the womb, we hear. At sixes and sevens, he is.
ANGROD: He arranged a note of complaint.
N: Was she heard to mock or gloat at the time?

THEME: BROTHER & SISTER PAIRS

Please givd the reasoning for Turin and Angrod, though, (apart from them completing the pairs and starting with T and A respectively!)


But I did. You just missed them......

[Urwen]

In case you didn't see them.....


Meaning that 6 is Angrod (GROAN + D)

Of the womb is UTERINE. UTERIN sounds like UTERINE. If we remove NE (for No Ease) we get Turin.

[Pervinca Took]

Of the womb is UTERINE. UTERIN sounds like UTERINE. If we remove NE (for No Ease) we get Turin.

No, it leaves you with UTERI. :D

However, TURIN is UTERINE with NO E'S (which sounds like (we hear) 'no ease.'

[Urwen]

6 is Angrod (GROAN + D)

[Urwen]

And I think you forgot to include NERWEN......

[Pervinca Took]

Well done on ANGROD, and good effort on TURIN.

Sorry, the posts in this thread have been coming so thick and fast today, I literally haven't always seen them in time, or they've arrived while I've been writing a post.

The theme is specifically brother and sister pairs.

ELFSTAN and FIRIEL are the two children of Elanor Gardner/Gamgee and Fastred of Greenholm.

[Urwen]

Well done on ANGROD, and good effort on TURIN.

Sorry, the posts in this thread have been coming so thick and fast today, I literally haven't always seen them in time, or they've arrived while I've been writing a post.

The theme is specifically brother and sister pairs.

ELFSTAN and FIRIEL are the two children of Elanor Gardner/Gamgee and Fastred of Greenholm.

Ya, I figured that out.

Do I get to make a new one now?

[Pervinca Took]

MENELDUR: Repair and reign through turmoil, he does. Move along one.
LALAITH: Back number thirteen. Initially lose trust, but replace with direction. See her!
FIRIEL: She reforms one long-serving prisoner.
SILMARIEN: A dwarf sickens, but is restored by her.
TURIN: No ease of the womb, we hear. At sixes and sevens, he is.
ANGROD: He arranged a note of complaint.
NERWEN: Was she heard to mock or gloat at the time?

THEME: BROTHER & SISTER PAIRS

I thought I'd added Nerwen in. I was about to, but I had to pack up quickly to get a lift home from my boss.

Well done all, and over to Urwen!

[Urwen]

Enjoy, for I am an oathkeeper, like Feanor.

1. Diminish, with direction, for a noble maiden.
2. The Nazgul are in disarray, alternatively, for her.
3. Note a wild goose for her.
4. Combine a note and an element with wrath for her.
5. A whole country for her.
6. Bloomers are in turmoil for her.
7. Initially, ride or move. Not old? Reverse and see her.
8. Before direction and a dwarf woman, she appears.

[Pervinca Took]

8. Erendis.

Ere + n + dis.

[Urwen]

1. Diminish, with direction, for a noble maiden.
2. The Nazgul are in disarray, alternatively, for her.
3. Note a wild goose for her.
4. Combine a note and an element with wrath for her.
5. A whole country for her.
6. Bloomers are in turmoil for her.
7. Initially, ride or move. Not old? Reverse and see her.
ERENDIS: Before direction and a dwarf woman, she appears.

[Pervinca Took]

4. Maybe AMARIE.

Am (Americium) + A (note) + IRE.

[Pervinca Took]

5. RIAN? (Iran).

[Urwen]

For 4, right reasoning, wrong element
For 5, take the 'whole' part of the clue into account too.

[Urwen]

1. Diminish, with direction, for a noble maiden.
2. The Nazgul are in disarray, alternatively, for her.
3. Note a wild goose for her.
4. Combine a note and an element with wrath for her.
5. Every language for her.
6. Bloomers are in turmoil for her.
7. Initially, ride or move. Not old? Reverse and see her.
ERENDIS: Before direction and a dwarf woman, she appears.

I've amended the clue 5 slightly.

[Pervinca Took]

1. ARWEN.

Wane + r.

[Pervinca Took]

Maybe women who waited a long time for their men?

[Urwen]

ARWEN: Diminish, with direction, for a noble maiden.
2. The Nazgul are in disarray, alternatively, for her.
3. Note a wild goose for her.
4. Combine a note and an element with wrath for her.
5. Every language in turmoil for her.
6. Bloomers are in turmoil for her.
7. Initially, ride or move. Not old? Reverse and see her.
ERENDIS: Before direction and a dwarf woman, she appears.

[Pervinca Took]

Maybe ANCALIME for the password?

[Urwen]

Maybe women who waited a long time for their men?


Nope. As with yours, you need to figure out more stuff before you can see the theme.....

[Urwen]

Maybe ANCALIME for the password?

How did you.....?

[Urwen]

Oh well....

ARWEN: Diminish, with direction, for a noble maiden.
N: The Nazgul are in disarray, alternatively, for her.
C: Note a wild goose for her.
A: Combine a note and an element with wrath for her.
L: Every language in turmoil for her.
I: Bloomers are in turmoil for her.
M: Initially, ride or move. Not old? Reverse and see her.
ERENDIS: Before direction and a dwarf woman, she appears.

[Pervinca Took]

7. MORWEN.

M O R (initials of 'ride or move,' reversed + NEW reversed).

[Urwen]

ARWEN: Diminish, with direction, for a noble maiden.
N: The Nazgul are in disarray, alternatively, for her.
C: Note a wild goose for her.
A: Combine a note and an element with wrath for her.
L: Every language in turmoil for her.
I: Bloomers are in turmoil for her.
MORWEN: Initially, ride or move. Not old? Reverse and see her.
ERENDIS: Before direction and a dwarf woman, she appears.

[Galadriel55]

N: NIENOR: nine + or

[Pervinca Took]

N - NIENOR (NINE in disarray, plus OR).

Well, it looks like mothers and daughters, but there are nine names. Maybe one is a trio and includes Grandma. :D

Whoops! Crossed with G55.

[Urwen]

ARWEN: Diminish, with direction, for a noble maiden.
NIENOR: The Nazgul are in disarray, alternatively, for her.
C: Note a wild goose for her.
A: Combine a note and an element with wrath for her.
L: Every language in turmoil for her.
I: Bloomers are in turmoil for her.
MORWEN: Initially, ride or move. Not old? Reverse and see her.
ERENDIS: Before direction and a dwarf woman, she appears.

[Urwen]

N - NIENOR (NINE in disarray, plus OR).

Well, it looks like mothers and daughters, but there are nine names. Maybe one is a trio and includes Grandma. :D

Or it includes a mother and her two daughters.... ;)

(Having one trio was the only way I could reasonably make this password.)

[Pervinca Took]

I get LAL for ALL (every).

But AITH for language?

There's no U, so the other daughter can't use her birth name. ;)

[Pervinca Took]

C has to be CELEBRIAN, because we don't know the names of Arwen's daughters. But I wanted the goose to be EIDER.

Hang on ... is an eider a duck? :D

[Pervinca Took]

Or is it goose as in silly person?

There's brain in Celebrian ...but cele can't really sound like silly.

[Urwen]

I get LAL for ALL (every).

But AITH for language?

There's no U, so the other daughter can't use her birth name. ;)

Yes, ALL+THAI

C has to be CELEBRIAN, because we don't know the names of Arwen's daughters. But I wanted the goose to be EIDER.

Hang on ... is an eider a duck? :D

BERNICLE+A

[Urwen]

ARWEN: Diminish, with direction, for a noble maiden.
NIENOR: The Nazgul are in disarray, alternatively, for her.
CELEBRIAN: Note a wild goose for her.
A: Combine a note and an element with wrath for her.
LALAITH: Every language in turmoil for her.
I: Bloomers are in turmoil for her.
MORWEN: Initially, ride or move. Not old? Reverse and see her.
ERENDIS: Before direction and a dwarf woman, she appears.

[Pervinca Took]

I think the final pair is ANAIRE (A + Na + IRE) and INDIS. But I don't know of a flower called an indi or a dini or a nidi!

(REALLY kicking myself over THAI!)

[Urwen]

Anaire is correct, but Indis is not. Take another look at that family tree.

ARWEN: Diminish, with direction, for a noble maiden.
NIENOR: The Nazgul are in disarray, alternatively, for her.
CELEBRIAN: Note a wild goose for her.
ANAIRE: Combine a note and an element with wrath for her.
LALAITH: Every language in turmoil for her.
I: Bloomers are in turmoil for her.
MORWEN: Initially, ride or move. Not old? Reverse and see her.
ERENDIS: Before direction and a dwarf woman, she appears.

Hint: Two of my favorite characters are Anaire's grandkids, and another of my favorite characters is her daughter.

[Pervinca Took]

IRISSE.

Another name for Aredhel.

I figured it could only be Aredhel and she must have another name. Wondered if it was Ar-Feiniel and not a first letter answer. Then looked a bit further.

Iris ... oh - irisES! Clever.

I THOUGHT Anaire as another sister to Findis and Irime wasn't right! Must have missed the =. Eyesight ....

Another excellent password, Urwen!

[Urwen]

IRISSE.

Another name for Aredhel.

I figured it could only be Aredhel and she must have another name. Wondered if it was Ar-Feiniel and not a first letter answer. Then looked a bit further.

Iris ... oh - irisES! Clever.

I THOUGHT Anaire as another sister to Findis and Irime wasn't right! Must have missed the =. Eyesight ....

Another excellent password, Urwen!


Thank you.

[Urwen]

ARWEN: Diminish, with direction, for a noble maiden.
NIENOR: The Nazgul are in disarray, alternatively, for her.
CELEBRIAN: Note a wild goose for her.
ANAIRE: Combine a note and an element with wrath for her.
LALAITH: Every language in turmoil for her.
IRISSE: Bloomers are in turmoil for her.
MORWEN: Initially, ride or move. Not old? Reverse and see her.
ERENDIS: Before direction and a dwarf woman, she appears.

It's yours.

[Pervinca Took]

Or it includes a mother and her two daughters.... ;)

(Having one trio was the only way I could reasonably make this password.)

Just checked how I did my mothers and daughters one. Four pairs, but I had to run one of the names backwards. I'll post it for you when my laptop is next online.

For now, I just have this one. As it's only 3 clues, I'll just copy it out on my phone. I do have one other all planned, but I haven't written the clues yet. So:

1. Naught splendid about him.
2. More exquisite direction is what he's all about.
3. It's a strain and a muddle to find her.

[Urwen]

1. Maeglin, from GLEAMING

[Pervinca Took]

Good try, but no.

[Urwen]

I am curious to see what this is. Based on number of letters, I thought the password to be EOL or DIS, the only three-letter names I know of.

[Pervinca Took]

You quoted a third only today: OIN!

Then there's ORI and NAR.

SAM, BAN, RAN ... even PIP, stretching it a bit.

And ERU.

And MAY.

[Urwen]

I assume muddle is an anagram indicator?

[Urwen]

2. Finwe (FINE+W)

[Pervinca Took]

Yes regarding muddle.

Fine is right ... but if you read the clue carefully, it's asking for the comparative adjective.

[Urwen]

Finer?

Well, let's see.....

FINER+N
FINER+S
FINER+E
FINER+W
FINER+D
FINER+L
FINER+R

[Urwen]

Maybe GLORFINDEL (He contains FINER, and also three directions: L, N and D)

[Galadriel55]

2. FRIEND, from finer? Maybe that can stretch into Elf-friend somehow?

Edit: xed with the last couple guesses.

[Pervinca Took]

One of the above combinations is right.

Not Glorfindel, and no extra letters.

And not Friend.

[Pervinca Took]

Finer?

Well, let's see.....

FINER+N
FINER+S
FINER+E
FINER+W
FINER+D
FINER+L
FINER+R

One of the above, is what I meant.

[Galadriel55]

1. ANGROD is almost no grand. But there's a letter gone missing, and that's not indicated by the clue.

[Pervinca Took]

ANGROD: Naught splendid about him.
2. More exquisite direction is what he's all about.
3. It's a strain and a muddle to find her.

It absolutely makes Angrod.

It's 0 + GRAND.

[Galadriel55]

Ohh, naught is zero!

[Urwen]

Frerin (FINER+R) for 1?

[Pervinca Took]

ANGROD: Naught splendid about him.
I: More exquisite direction is what he's all about.
SIt's a strain and a muddle to find her.

To be fair, Urwen did guess DIS or EOL.

[Urwen]

And DIS as the password?

[Urwen]

Wait, where did G55 guess DIS?

[Pervinca Took]

ANGROD: Naught splendid about him.
FRERIN: More exquisite direction is what he's all about.
S: It's a strain and a muddle to find her.

Clue 2, not 1. ;)

Yes. :)

[Urwen]

3. ARTANIS (STRAIN+A, muddled)

[Pervinca Took]

Wait, where did G55 guess DIS?

She didn't. You did, silly! Read my post.

[Urwen]

This correct or no?

3. ARTANIS (STRAIN+A, muddled)

[Pervinca Took]

ANGROD: Naught splendid about him.
I: More exquisite direction is what he's all about.
SIt's a strain and a muddle to find her.

To be fair, Urwen did guess DIS or EOL.

Once the D was there, I thought it only fair and sensible to honour your first guess. Yes, you guessed two, (like Gollum's 'String, or nothing!') But once the D was there I decided to give it to you. Then, you instantly posted it anyway. But I gave it to you before I saw that.

[Pervinca Took]

ANGROD: Naught splendid about him.
FRERIN: More exquisite direction is what he's all about.
ARTANIS: It's a strain and a muddle to find her.

OK! Theme, please, before I hand it over.

[Urwen]

That doesn't answer my ARTANIS guess.

[Urwen]

As for theme, why it's brother-sister pairs again.

[Pervinca Took]

That doesn't answer my ARTANIS guess.

The post straight after it does! Flipping heck, woman, there's no pleasing you!

[Pervinca Took]

IT'S FAST! IT'S FURIOUS! IIIIIIIIIIIIIIT'S THE PASSWORD THREAD!!

ANGROD: Naught splendid about him.
FRERIN: More exquisite direction is what he's all about.
ARTANIS: It's a strain and a muddle to find her.

THEME: BROTHER & SISTER PAIRS

(Or 'How to use up your leftover clues.')

Although I really do think DIS deserved a password of her own, in any case.

Over to you, Urwen!

[Urwen]

You used a different name for Galadriel, am I right?

[Urwen]

But can you solve this dilemma? If you have two [x] and three [x] with the final [x] being the password, how do you fit in the remaining clue?

[Pervinca Took]

Yes, Galadriel has lots of names. Artanis is one of them.

I don't understand your dilemma. Do you mean a pairs and trios one?

When it's pairs, you need a password with an odd number of letters.* Always worth counting the clues when tackling a new password, for this reason.

* Unless the password isn't a clue, of course, like with your SWEETHEART one.

[Urwen]

This particular one has an even number of letters. I wanted to attempt trios.

[Urwen]

I got it.

[Urwen]

Here it is.


1. For him, there are 24 of these (without direction) in circulation.
2. Note an unidentified flying object for him.
3. Returning endless knowledge? Behold it for him.
4. Two elements come together for him.
5. Complain in turmoil for him.

[Huinesoron]

2 - is this UFFO (UFO + F) Boffin, grandfather of Frodo's cousin's wife?

I'm getting a 'short words' feel off several of these.

hS

[Urwen]

1. For him, there are 24 of these (without direction) in circulation.
UFFO: Note an unidentified flying object for him.
3. Returning endless knowledge? Behold it for him.
4. Two elements come together for him.
5. Complain in turmoil for him.

[Huinesoron]

1. For him, there are 24 of these (without direction) in circulation.
UFFO: Note an unidentified flying object for him.
3. Returning endless knowledge? Behold it for him.
4. Two elements come together for him.
5. Complain in turmoil for him.

4 could be Barium + Indium = BAIN.

Or Sodium + Lithium = NALI of Moria (who died in the East Hall).

Or, of course, Osmium + Selenium = OSSE.

(Sodium + Indium gives multiple NAINs...)

... or it could not be chemistry at all, but where's the fun in that?!

hS

[Pervinca Took]

4. AULE?

Au is gold. I think Le is something.

[Urwen]

Nope to both.

[Huinesoron]

4. AULE?

Au is gold. I think Le is something.

It isn't. You'd be amazed how much chemists hate the letter E.

(Possibly, come to think of it, because e-for-electron shows up a fair bit.)

Nope to both.

Aw. :(

The one answer so far is an obscure Hobbit... is the password 'KUDUK'?

hS

[Urwen]

Nope, the password isn't that.

[Pervinca Took]

Could be MUNGO or BUNGO (the password).

[Pervinca Took]

5. Namo (moan).

[Huinesoron]

4 again/ Hydrogen + Americium = HAM(fast Gamgee).

But please tell me if I'm on the wrong track with these. :)

hS

[Urwen]

1. For him, there are 24 of these (without direction) in circulation.
UFFO: Note an unidentified flying object for him.
3. Returning endless knowledge? Behold it for him.
4. Two elements come together for him.
NAMO: Complain in turmoil for him.

[Urwen]

Could be MUNGO or BUNGO (the password).

Neither the password nor the theme are connected to Hobbits in any way. :p

4 again/ Hydrogen + Americium = HAM(fast Gamgee).

But please tell me if I'm on the wrong track with these. :)

hS

Elements are chemical elements, but none of these.

[Huinesoron]

Elements are chemical elements, but none of these.

N+Ar
O+In (no, wait, you said not Indium)
Not Sam, because Americium

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Durin?

[Urwen]

Nope.

[Pervinca Took]

That pesky brother of yours again?

[Urwen]

That pesky brother of yours again?


Nope, not this time. :p

[Pervinca Took]

1. TWO DOZEN minus a direction

OR

II DOZEN minus a direction.

Hmmmmmmm ....

[Pervinca Took]

Nope, not this time. :p

Dad, perhaps?

[Urwen]

1. TWO DOZEN minus a direction

OR

II DOZEN minus a direction.

Hmmmmmmm ....


Nope, Carol Ann says nay.

[Urwen]

Dad, perhaps?


*insert shrug emoji here*

[Pervinca Took]

HOUR!!!

Gawd, I feel dim.

Does that give us HUOR?

[Urwen]

HUOR: For him, there are 24 of these (without direction) in circulation.
UFFO: Note an unidentified flying object for him.
R: Returning endless knowledge? Behold it for him.
I: Two elements come together for him.
NAMO: Complain in turmoil for him.

[Galadriel55]

3. Rollo = lor(e) + lo

[Galadriel55]

Making the last one Irmo - Iridium and, dunno. Hui, help me out please? :Merisu:

[Pervinca Took]

Now, there are 2 dwarves . . Ibun and the one I can never remember.

[Urwen]

Molybdenum.

HUOR: For him, there are 24 of these (without direction) in circulation.
UFFO: Note an unidentified flying object for him.
ROLLO: Returning endless knowledge? Behold it for him.
IRMO: Two elements come together for him.
NAMO: Complain in turmoil for him.

(Theme are pairs of brothers, by the way. I originally wanted to use Feanor as the password, but ran into several kinds of troubles there, so I had to use my dad instead.)