Password

[Pervinca Took]

TOL ERESSEA: Here, a biblical fellow returns, to meet an archaic palindrome and a sibilant ocean.
H: Half German article and liquid marketing. For him.
ERECH: Place of mirth ... but it's not unmixed.

RADBUG: Brag - dubiously, at first, you hear - before chaos ensues to expose him.
EAGLES: Seasoned sailors have more than one of these. But be that as it may, it's mangled to reveal these majestic creatures!
TEARS: Not all of these are evil.
UMBAR: Does one hesitate to suggest a pub here?
ROSE: She's inflamed - and troubled.
N: One must dress, groom, prepare? - put nails in order, certainly - for them.

OSGILIATH: Is David's foe around here?
FORLONG: Beat a Weasley? He's there - but discombobulated.

TOOKS: Group of sheaves slightly disturbed by - or rather for - the first ones to kill.
HAVENS: They're beardless and bewildered.
ELANOR: A role reversed; an article swallowed; a girl revealed.

KNIGHTS: Merry and Pippin, in white satin? (For thus it sounds, in song).
IORLAS: A painter's choice - Rembrandt's, initially - and Goya's, finally - mingles to reveal him.
N: See this fearsome thing return, endlessly crazy, to endlessly deceive.
GILDOR: Aged apparatus collapses to reveal him.

OILS + R + A.

[Urwen]

More clues?

[Pervinca Took]

The second N should be pretty straightforward.

[Urwen]

So EI from LIE and AM from MAD


NEIAM?

[Pervinca Took]

Wrong synonyms.

Think what the fearsome thing might be.

[Urwen]

Grond?

[Pervinca Took]

How can it be Grond when it begins with N?

[Urwen]

Nazgul?

[Pervinca Took]

Yes!

Before I put it in, though, can you work out the cryptic elements?

[Urwen]

Well, NAZ comes from ZANY

GUL comes from GULL.

[Pervinca Took]

Exactly.

The H clue is cryptic, but straightforward. Four elements in a row. No mixing up.

[Urwen]

Liquid marketing? What is liquid marketing?

[Urwen]

Well, there is Halbarad (HAL(F) + BAR + AD)

I don't think BAR is a german article, though.....

[Pervinca Took]

TOL ERESSEA: Here, a biblical fellow returns, to meet an archaic palindrome and a sibilant ocean.
HALBARAD: Half German article and liquid marketing. For him.
ERECH: Place of mirth ... but it's not unmixed.

RADBUG: Brag - dubiously, at first, you hear - before chaos ensues to expose him.
EAGLES: Seasoned sailors have more than one of these. But be that as it may, it's mangled to reveal these majestic creatures!
TEARS: Not all of these are evil.
UMBAR: Does one hesitate to suggest a pub here?
ROSE: She's inflamed - and troubled.
N: One must dress, groom, prepare? - put nails in order, certainly - for them.

OSGILIATH: Is David's foe around here?
FORLONG: Beat a Weasley? He's there - but discombobulated.

TOOKS: Group of sheaves slightly disturbed by - or rather for - the first ones to kill.
HAVENS: They're beardless and bewildered.
ELANOR: A role reversed; an article swallowed; a girl revealed.

KNIGHTS: Merry and Pippin, in white satin? (For thus it sounds, in song).
IORLAS: A painter's choice - Rembrandt's, initially - and Goya's, finally - mingles to reveal him.
N: See this fearsome thing return, endlessly crazy, to endlessly deceive.
GILDOR: Aged apparatus collapses to reveal him.

It isn't the article that's German. It's the word HALF. :D

So: HALB + A + R + AD(VERTISEMENT).

P and B are PLOSIVES
D and T are DENTAL PLOSIVES
F and V (and various other sounds) are FRICATIVES

... but L and R are LIQUIDS.

The remaining clue is my favourite. The 'them' is something there are three specifically reported sets of in ROTK, but no reported sets of in FOTR or TTT.

[Urwen]

You forgot to put Nazgul in.

[Urwen]

Well, there are three Elven Rings revealed in ROTK, that weren't revealed/mentioned in the other two books, but only two of those begin with N.....

[Pervinca Took]

TOL ERESSEA: Here, a biblical fellow returns, to meet an archaic palindrome and a sibilant ocean.
HALBARAD: Half German article and liquid marketing. For him.
ERECH: Place of mirth ... but it's not unmixed.

RADBUG: Brag - dubiously, at first, you hear - before chaos ensues to expose him.
EAGLES: Seasoned sailors have more than one of these. But be that as it may, it's mangled to reveal these majestic creatures!
TEARS: Not all of these are evil.
UMBAR: Does one hesitate to suggest a pub here?
ROSE: She's inflamed - and troubled.
N: One must dress, groom, prepare? - put nails in order, certainly - for them.

OSGILIATH: Is David's foe around here?
FORLONG: Beat a Weasley? He's there - but discombobulated.

TOOKS: Group of sheaves slightly disturbed by - or rather for - the first ones to kill.
HAVENS: They're beardless and bewildered.
ELANOR: A role reversed; an article swallowed; a girl revealed.

KNIGHTS: Merry and Pippin, in white satin? (For thus it sounds, in song).
IORLAS: A painter's choice - Rembrandt's, initially - and Goya's, finally - mingles to reveal him.
NAZGUL: See this fearsome thing return, endlessly crazy, to endlessly deceive.
GILDOR: Aged apparatus collapses to reveal him.

Nothing to do with rings.

Or is it? ;) In Middle-earth, I mean. It is here (or should I say 'now?')

[Urwen]

I don't understand.....


Unless you mean NOWHERE (NOW+HERE)

[Pervinca Took]

No.

There is something that happens 3 times in ROTK, and two words of the clue provide an anagram of it.

[Urwen]

put nails in order?

[Urwen]

I think I have it.

[Urwen]

I think there is something obvious there that I can't see.....

[Pervinca Took]

put nails in order?

Yes, that's the bit you need.

Two words of that form the anagram.

[Pervinca Took]

TOL ERESSEA: Here, a biblical fellow returns, to meet an archaic palindrome and a sibilant ocean.
HALBARAD: Half German article and liquid marketing. For him.
ERECH: Place of mirth ... but it's not unmixed.

RADBUG: Brag - dubiously, at first, you hear - before chaos ensues to expose him.
EAGLES: Seasoned sailors have more than one of these. But be that as it may, it's mangled to reveal these majestic creatures!
TEARS: Not all of these are evil.
UMBAR: Does one hesitate to suggest a pub here?
ROSE: She's inflamed - and troubled.
N: One must dress, groom, prepare? - put nails in order, certainly - for them.

OSGILIATH: Is David's foe around here?
FORLONG: Beat a Weasley? He's there - but discombobulated.

TOOKS: Group of sheaves slightly disturbed by - or rather for - the first ones to kill.
HAVENS: They're beardless and bewildered.
ELANOR: A role reversed; an article swallowed; a girl revealed.

KNIGHTS: Merry and Pippin, in white satin? (For thus it sounds, in song).
IORLAS: A painter's choice - Rembrandt's, initially - and Goya's, finally - mingles to reveal him.
NAZGUL: See this fearsome thing return, endlessly crazy, to endlessly deceive.
GILDOR: Aged apparatus collapses to reveal him.

[Urwen]

I keep coming back to NARSILION (NAILS + IN + OR)

[Pervinca Took]

No.

What do you think is the anagram indicator?

[Urwen]

order.

[Pervinca Took]

In order.

[Urwen]

There is no entry anywhere online which is an anagram of PUT NAILS, though.

[Pervinca Took]

There are anagram solvers online. I'm pretty sure you'll find one if you feed that phrase into one of them.

[Urwen]

It only gives me NUPTIALS, and there are indeed three sets of those in ROTK (well, four if you count Eomer and Lothiriel) but nuptials isn't a Tolkien word.

[Pervinca Took]

TOL ERESSEA: Here, a biblical fellow returns, to meet an archaic palindrome and a sibilant ocean.
HALBARAD: Half German article and liquid marketing. For him.
ERECH: Place of mirth ... but it's not unmixed.

RADBUG: Brag - dubiously, at first, you hear - before chaos ensues to expose him.
EAGLES: Seasoned sailors have more than one of these. But be that as it may, it's mangled to reveal these majestic creatures!
TEARS: Not all of these are evil.
UMBAR: Does one hesitate to suggest a pub here?
ROSE: She's inflamed - and troubled.
NUPTIALS: One must dress, groom, prepare? - put nails in order, certainly - for them.

OSGILIATH: Is David's foe around here?
FORLONG: Beat a Weasley? He's there - but discombobulated.

TOOKS: Group of sheaves slightly disturbed by - or rather for - the first ones to kill.
HAVENS: They're beardless and bewildered.
ELANOR: A role reversed; an article swallowed; a girl revealed.

KNIGHTS: Merry and Pippin, in white satin? (For thus it sounds, in song).
IORLAS: A painter's choice - Rembrandt's, initially - and Goya's, finally - mingles to reveal him.
NAZGUL: See this fearsome thing return, endlessly crazy, to endlessly deceive.
GILDOR: Aged apparatus collapses to reveal him.

Who said they all have to be Tolkien words? Nuptials/weddings feature in Tolkien's *story.* I like to make things a little different sometimes. We've had passwords about food and drink in the books, and Tolkien didn't invent tea and coffee! And the same goes for 'Tears,' (clue 6).

I'm pretty sure Eomer and Lothiriel's wedding is only in the Appendices, along with Merry's and Pippin's.

Over to you! :)

[Urwen]

And here is another.


1. He is Atilla's father.
2. Initially, instant messaging and a shaving supplement reveal him.
3. A jewel loses its end, but gains expensive network, initially, for her.
4. Briefly, a state is inside the turncloak, for him.
5. German lion spins for him.
6. A returning pronoun is inside a confused dwarf, for him
7. He is marbled, and confused
8. Confused Shakespearen lover reveals him
9. No price? Twist it for him.
10. An endless tree for him.
11. Reorder a Valie for a minstrel.
12. No read, but backwards, for him.
13. French company shares his name.
14. A Norse God finds a way, for him.
15. A direction inside a bloomer, for him.
16. Note common spice in a spin, for him.
17. Middle ear bones, in discord, reveal her.
18. Archaic dirt returns for him.
19. He is someone that laments, chaotically
20. He is common in Spain.


Fair warning, #4 might be difficult unless you've read a certain book. ;)

[Pervinca Took]

5. OLWE, from Löwe.

13. DIOR?

12. DAERON.

[Urwen]

1. He is Atilla's father.
2. Initially, instant messaging and a shaving supplement reveal him.
3. A jewel loses its end, but gains expensive network, initially, for her.
4. Briefly, a state is inside the turncloak, for him.
OLWE: German lion spins for him.
6. A returning pronoun is inside a confused dwarf, for him
7. He is marbled, and confused
8. Confused Shakespearen lover reveals him
9. No price? Twist it for him.
10. An endless tree for him.
11. Reorder a Valie for a minstrel.
DAERON: No read, but backwards, for him.
DIOR: French company shares his name.
14. A Norse God finds a way, for him.
15. A direction inside a bloomer, for him.
16. Note common spice in a spin, for him.
17. Middle ear bones, in discord, reveal her.
18. Archaic dirt returns for him.
19. He is someone that laments, chaotically
20. He is common in Spain.

[Pervinca Took]

8. OROME, from Romeo.

[Urwen]

1. He is Atilla's father.
2. Initially, instant messaging and a shaving supplement reveal him.
3. A jewel loses its end, but gains expensive network, initially, for her.
4. Briefly, a state is inside the turncloak, for him.
OLWE: German lion spins for him.
6. A returning pronoun is inside a confused dwarf, for him
7. He is marbled, and confused
OROME: Confused Shakespearen lover reveals him
9. No price? Twist it for him.
10. An endless tree for him.
11. Reorder a Valie for a minstrel.
DAERON: No read, but backwards, for him.
DIOR: French company shares his name.
14. A Norse God finds a way, for him.
15. A direction inside a bloomer, for him.
16. Note common spice in a spin, for him.
17. Middle ear bones, in discord, reveal her.
18. Archaic dirt returns for him.
19. He is someone that laments, chaotically
20. He is common in Spain.

[Pervinca Took]

2. Imrazor.

I + m + razor.

[Urwen]

Thank Nerwen for that clue. ;)

1. He is Atilla's father.
IMRAZOR: Initially, instant messaging and a shaving supplement reveal him.
3. A jewel loses its end, but gains expensive network, initially, for her.
4. Briefly, a state is inside the turncloak, for him.
OLWE: German lion spins for him.
6. A returning pronoun is inside a confused dwarf, for him
7. He is marbled, and confused
OROME: Confused Shakespearen lover reveals him
9. No price? Twist it for him.
10. An endless tree for him.
11. Reorder a Valie for a minstrel.
DAERON: No read, but backwards, for him.
DIOR: French company shares his name.
14. A Norse God finds a way, for him.
15. A direction inside a bloomer, for him.
16. Note common spice in a spin, for him.
17. Middle ear bones, in discord, reveal her.
18. Archaic dirt returns for him.
19. He is someone that laments, chaotically
20. He is common in Spain.

[Pervinca Took]

I think the password is "Something(s) of Middle-earth.'

'Minions,' perhaps? But are these characters really minions?

[Pervinca Took]

Could 14 be LONI? Loki would need to lose its K, though.

[Urwen]

Nope. I used this character in a password once before.

[Urwen]

And you're close with the password. Think about your last three passwords. ;)

[Pervinca Took]

History of Middle-earth. :)

3. SILMAR(IL) + E + N.

SILMARIEN!

[Urwen]

H: He is Atilla's father.
IMRAZOR: Initially, instant messaging and a shaving supplement reveal him.
SILMARIEN: A jewel loses its end, but gains expensive network, initially, for her.
T: Briefly, a state is inside the turncloak, for him.
OLWE: German lion spins for him.
R: A returning pronoun is inside a confused dwarf, for him
Y: He is marbled, and confused
OROME: Confused Shakespearen lover reveals him
F: No price? Twist it for him.
M: An endless tree for him.
I: Reorder a Valie for a minstrel.
DAERON: No read, but backwards, for him.
DIOR: French company shares his name.
L: A Norse God finds a way, for him.
E: A direction inside a bloomer, for him.
E: Note common spice in a spin, for him.
A: Middle ear bones, in discord, reveal her.
R: Archaic dirt returns for him.
T: He is someone that laments, chaotically
H: He is common in Spain.

[Pervinca Took]

M = MALLOR(N).

Son of Beleg.

[Urwen]

Minions of Middle Earth is a good idea, though. I will have to do that sometime.


H: He is Atilla's father.
IMRAZOR: Initially, instant messaging and a shaving supplement reveal him.
SILMARIEN: A jewel loses its end, but gains expensive network, initially, for her.
T: Briefly, a state is inside the turncloak, for him.
OLWE: German lion spins for him.
R: A returning pronoun is inside a confused dwarf, for him
Y: He is marbled, and confused
OROME: Confused Shakespearen lover reveals him
F: No price? Twist it for him.
MALLOR: An endless tree for him.
I: Reorder a Valie for a minstrel.
DAERON: No read, but backwards, for him.
DIOR: French company shares his name.
L: A Norse God finds a way, for him.
E: A direction inside a bloomer, for him.
E: Note common spice in a spin, for him.
A: Middle ear bones, in discord, reveal her.
R: Archaic dirt returns for him.
T: He is someone that laments, chaotically
H: He is common in Spain.

[Pervinca Took]

Ist H.

Huan? (A Hun?)

Attila's father's name begins with M. That's why I guessed 'Minions' at first.

[Urwen]

Not an answer to that. :D

[Pervinca Took]

Is the second H HUAN, because JUAN is a frequently occurring name in Spain, and sounds the same?

[Urwen]

H: He is Atilla's father.
IMRAZOR: Initially, instant messaging and a shaving supplement reveal him.
SILMARIEN: A jewel loses its end, but gains expensive network, initially, for her.
T: Briefly, a state is inside the turncloak, for him.
OLWE: German lion spins for him.
R: A returning pronoun is inside a confused dwarf, for him
Y: He is marbled, and confused
OROME: Confused Shakespearen lover reveals him
F: No price? Twist it for him.
MALLOR: An endless tree for him.
I: Reorder a Valie for a minstrel.
DAERON: No read, but backwards, for him.
DIOR: French company shares his name.
L: A Norse God finds a way, for him.
E: A direction inside a bloomer, for him.
E: Note common spice in a spin, for him.
A: Middle ear bones, in discord, reveal her.
R: Archaic dirt returns for him.
T: He is someone that laments, chaotically
HUAN: He is common in Spain.

[Pervinca Took]

HURIN for the first one?

No reason, except for HUN being in it.

[Urwen]

No. What's an informal word for 'father'?

[Pervinca Took]

HUNDAD son of Hundar.

[Urwen]

HUNDAD: He is Atilla's father.
IMRAZOR: Initially, instant messaging and a shaving supplement reveal him.
SILMARIEN: A jewel loses its end, but gains expensive network, initially, for her.
T: Briefly, a state is inside the turncloak, for him.
OLWE: German lion spins for him.
R: A returning pronoun is inside a confused dwarf, for him
Y: He is marbled, and confused
OROME: Confused Shakespearen lover reveals him
F: No price? Twist it for him.
MALLOR: An endless tree for him.
I: Reorder a Valie for a minstrel.
DAERON: No read, but backwards, for him.
DIOR: French company shares his name.
L: A Norse God finds a way, for him.
E: A direction inside a bloomer, for him.
E: Note common spice in a spin, for him.
A: Middle ear bones, in discord, reveal her.
R: Archaic dirt returns for him.
T: He is someone that laments, chaotically
HUAN: He is common in Spain.

[Pervinca Took]

Y: YLMIR from MIRLY (a word I didn't know existed and had to look up).

[Urwen]

HUNDAD: He is Atilla's father.
IMRAZOR: Initially, instant messaging and a shaving supplement reveal him.
SILMARIEN: A jewel loses its end, but gains expensive network, initially, for her.
T: Briefly, a state is inside the turncloak, for him.
OLWE: German lion spins for him.
R: A returning pronoun is inside a confused dwarf, for him
YLMIR: He is marbled, and confused
OROME: Confused Shakespearen lover reveals him
F: No price? Twist it for him.
MALLOR: An endless tree for him.
I: Reorder a Valie for a minstrel.
DAERON: No read, but backwards, for him.
DIOR: French company shares his name.
L: A Norse God finds a way, for him.
E: A direction inside a bloomer, for him.
E: Note common spice in a spin, for him.
A: Middle ear bones, in discord, reveal her.
R: Archaic dirt returns for him.
T: He is someone that laments, chaotically
HUAN: He is common in Spain.


Well, I didn't know many of the words you used either, so it's only fair.

[Pervinca Took]

Well, of course. We learn stuff from this thread! :)

Is mirly a word used in America? I just found a very few male characters with names starting in Y and then tried scrambling them.

[Pervinca Took]

I = IVARE, working backwards from VAIRE.

[Urwen]

HUNDAD: He is Atilla's father.
IMRAZOR: Initially, instant messaging and a shaving supplement reveal him.
SILMARIEN: A jewel loses its end, but gains expensive network, initially, for her.
T: Briefly, a state is inside the turncloak, for him.
OLWE: German lion spins for him.
R: A returning pronoun is inside a confused dwarf, for him
YLMIR: He is marbled, and confused
OROME: Confused Shakespearen lover reveals him
F: No price? Twist it for him.
MALLOR: An endless tree for him.
IVARE: Reorder a Valie for a minstrel.
DAERON: No read, but backwards, for him.
DIOR: French company shares his name.
L: A Norse God finds a way, for him.
E: A direction inside a bloomer, for him.
E: Note common spice in a spin, for him.
A: Middle ear bones, in discord, reveal her.
R: Archaic dirt returns for him.
T: He is someone that laments, chaotically
HUAN: He is common in Spain.

[Pervinca Took]

Is F just FROR, from FREE?

[Pervinca Took]

HUNDAD: He is Atilla's father.
IMRAZOR: Initially, instant messaging and a shaving supplement reveal him.
SILMARIEN: A jewel loses its end, but gains expensive network, initially, for her.
T: Briefly, a state is inside the turncloak, for him.
OLWE: German lion spins for him.
R: A returning pronoun is inside a confused dwarf, for him
YLMIR: He is marbled, and confused
OROME: Confused Shakespearen lover reveals him
F: No price? Twist it for him.
MALLOR: An endless tree for him.
IVARE: Reorder a Valie for a minstrel.
DAERON: No read, but backwards, for him.
DIOR: French company shares his name.
L: A Norse God finds a way, for him.
E: A direction inside a bloomer, for him.
E: Note common spice in a spin, for him.
A: Middle ear bones, in discord, reveal her.
R: Archaic dirt returns for him.
T: He is someone that laments, chaotically
HUAN: He is common in Spain.

Next page.

[Urwen]

Nope.

[Pervinca Took]

2nd E could be ERU from RUE, except that there's no room for a note in there.

[Urwen]

Nope.

[Pervinca Took]

F = no fee = a bit like FEANOR?

I don't know the Norse god, but is L LOMION?

[Urwen]

Yes to Feanor, but it's NO+FARE

No to Lomion

[Urwen]

HUNDAD: He is Atilla's father.
IMRAZOR: Initially, instant messaging and a shaving supplement reveal him.
SILMARIEN: A jewel loses its end, but gains expensive network, initially, for her.
T: Briefly, a state is inside the turncloak, for him.
OLWE: German lion spins for him.
R: A returning pronoun is inside a confused dwarf, for him
YLMIR: He is marbled, and confused
OROME: Confused Shakespearen lover reveals him
FEANOR: No price? Twist it for him.
MALLOR: An endless tree for him.
IVARE: Reorder a Valie for a minstrel.
DAERON: No read, but backwards, for him.
DIOR: French company shares his name.
L: A Norse God finds a way, for him.
E: A direction inside a bloomer, for him.
E: Note common spice in a spin, for him.
A: Middle ear bones, in discord, reveal her.
R: Archaic dirt returns for him.
T: He is someone that laments, chaotically
HUAN: He is common in Spain.

[Pervinca Took]

LINDO, keeper of the Cottage of Lost Play.

L + ODIN.

My mistake was not realising that L was the direction/way.

[Urwen]

HUNDAD: He is Atilla's father.
IMRAZOR: Initially, instant messaging and a shaving supplement reveal him.
SILMARIEN: A jewel loses its end, but gains expensive network, initially, for her.
T: Briefly, a state is inside the turncloak, for him.
OLWE: German lion spins for him.
R: A returning pronoun is inside a confused dwarf, for him
YLMIR: He is marbled, and confused
OROME: Confused Shakespearen lover reveals him
FEANOR: No price? Twist it for him.
MALLOR: An endless tree for him.
IVARE: Reorder a Valie for a minstrel.
DAERON: No read, but backwards, for him.
DIOR: French company shares his name.
LINDO: A Norse God finds a way, for him.
E: A direction inside a bloomer, for him.
E: Note common spice in a spin, for him.
A: Middle ear bones, in discord, reveal her.
R: Archaic dirt returns for him.
T: He is someone that laments, chaotically
HUAN: He is common in Spain.

[Pervinca Took]

Well, since my HOME collection is currently 200 miles away from me, I have about as much chance of solving the rest of these as I have of getting sound relationship advice from Denethor.

The turncloak one, (interesting to learn the North American term; it's turncoat over here), might be TROTTER from TRAITOR, but I very much doubt it. It's probably something really obscure from the Notion Club Papers or something.

[Urwen]

Actually, the book in question is a really famous one, with a TV show based on it no less. And the clue refers to my 2nd favorite character innit.

[Galadriel55]

I believe I can provide that part. Theon Turncloak was the first thing that came to mind, but I can't make anything out of his name. Pervinca, any ideas with that?

[Pervinca Took]

Would your second favourite character be TURIN?

U(TAH) could be the state, but who is the traitor?

...

EDIT: If there's a THEON, we could put DE(LAWARE) inside it, perhaps, and get ...

... THEODEN?

He must be in HOME, because the History of LOTR is in HOME.

[Galadriel55]

Actually, the book in question is a really famous one, with a TV show based on it no less. And the clue refers to my 2nd favorite character innit.

Btw, who is your favourite? I have to say Theon is a fascinating character myself in both book and show, but I've always looked forward the most to the Arya POV chapters. :)

[Urwen]

Btw, who is your favourite? I have to say Theon is a fascinating character myself in both book and show, but I've always looked forward the most to the Arya POV chapters. :)


Bran.

[Urwen]

HUNDAD: He is Atilla's father.
IMRAZOR: Initially, instant messaging and a shaving supplement reveal him.
SILMARIEN: A jewel loses its end, but gains expensive network, initially, for her.
THEODEN: Briefly, a state is inside the turncloak, for him.
OLWE: German lion spins for him.
R: A returning pronoun is inside a confused dwarf, for him
YLMIR: He is marbled, and confused
OROME: Confused Shakespearen lover reveals him
FEANOR: No price? Twist it for him.
MALLOR: An endless tree for him.
IVARE: Reorder a Valie for a minstrel.
DAERON: No read, but backwards, for him.
DIOR: French company shares his name.
LINDO: A Norse God finds a way, for him.
E: A direction inside a bloomer, for him.
E: Note common spice in a spin, for him.
A: Middle ear bones, in discord, reveal her.
R: Archaic dirt returns for him.
T: He is someone that laments, chaotically
HUAN: He is common in Spain.


Theon the Turncloak. ;)

[Pervinca Took]

RIAN is NAR with returning I.

Well, it is! :D

But it's not a female character that the clue is asking for.

ROWAN is close ... NAR again ... but WO, not WE.

[Urwen]

Nope.

[Urwen]

Do you need hints?

[Galadriel55]

Probably. I do.

[Urwen]

No hints for you, since you haven't given your follow-up reaction on Bran being my favorite. :p

[Pervinca Took]

I can't give feedback, because I've never read nor watched a single episode of GOT.

[Urwen]

Try figuring some of those out first. E, A, R, and T clues should be quite easy, especially for you Pervinca, since you are a password genius and all.

[Pervinca Took]

TURIN laments, and has the word RUIN, which is chaotic?

[Urwen]

No. This character is an anagram of LAMENTER.

[Pervinca Took]

TELEMNAR, king during the Great Plague.

[Urwen]

HUNDAD: He is Atilla's father.
IMRAZOR: Initially, instant messaging and a shaving supplement reveal him.
SILMARIEN: A jewel loses its end, but gains expensive network, initially, for her.
THEODEN: Briefly, a state is inside the turncloak, for him.
OLWE: German lion spins for him.
R: A returning pronoun is inside a confused dwarf, for him
YLMIR: He is marbled, and confused
OROME: Confused Shakespearen lover reveals him
FEANOR: No price? Twist it for him.
MALLOR: An endless tree for him.
IVARE: Reorder a Valie for a minstrel.
DAERON: No read, but backwards, for him.
DIOR: French company shares his name.
LINDO: A Norse God finds a way, for him.
E: A direction inside a bloomer, for him.
E: Note common spice in a spin, for him.
A: Middle ear bones, in discord, reveal her.
R: Archaic dirt returns for him.
TELEMNAR: He is someone that laments, chaotically
HUAN: He is common in Spain.

[Pervinca Took]

None of the actual words for middle ear bones work. I've tried them all. Ossicles, stapes, hammer, anvil etc.

Just thought, the middle of ear is A.

But don't have time to mix that with collections of every named bone in the human body, or perhaps in the entire animal kingdom. Bones itself doesn't work.

[Urwen]

I didn't either, until I came across MALLEUS, the plural of which is MALLEI.

[Pervinca Took]

Which gives us ALMIEL, the sister of Anardil.

I feel there should be a name that can be reached by adding a direction word to ELANOR for the bloomer, but no luck so far.

[Pervinca Took]

Hang on ...

Is the first E ELROS - L inside ROSE?

A bit naughty not to include an anagram indicator, if so. ;)

[Urwen]

HUNDAD: He is Atilla's father.
IMRAZOR: Initially, instant messaging and a shaving supplement reveal him.
SILMARIEN: A jewel loses its end, but gains expensive network, initially, for her.
THEODEN: Briefly, a state is inside the turncloak, for him.
OLWE: German lion spins for him.
R: A returning pronoun is inside a confused dwarf, for him
YLMIR: He is marbled, and confused
OROME: Confused Shakespearen lover reveals him
FEANOR: No price? Twist it for him.
MALLOR: An endless tree for him.
IVARE: Reorder a Valie for a minstrel.
DAERON: No read, but backwards, for him.
DIOR: French company shares his name.
LINDO: A Norse God finds a way, for him.
ELROS: A direction inside a bloomer, for him.
E: Note common spice in a spin, for him.
ALMIEL: Middle ear bones, in discord, reveal her.
R: Archaic dirt returns for him.
TELEMNAR: He is someone that laments, chaotically
HUAN: He is common in Spain.

[Urwen]

Hang on ...

Is the first E ELROS - L inside ROSE?

A bit naughty not to include an anagram indicator, if so. ;)


I forgot.

[Huinesoron]

Okay okay. Three male characters, no other obvious straight clues ("archaic" could be, but probably modifies "dirt" instead).

R(1): The pronoun isn't noted as not being English, so let's figure it is. It can't be I (which can't be reversed), but could be most of the others. Probably not they or any of its derivitives, because -ht- isn't a common sound. A confused dwarf is probably a M-e dwarf's name. I'm rubbish at anagrams, so it's brute-force time!

Using the Encyclopedia of Arda index, I find no R-words which contain the reversed pronouns he/his/him/she/her/hers/us. There is one word containing reversed we, 'Renewer', but RENER doesn't seem to make a dwarf. Pronoun me, reversed produces 4 hits, but none of them are characters.

Okay, moving over to the Tolkien Gateway index. Him/his/he/she/her/hers/us once again produce nothing. 'ew' gives a lovely placename I didn't know - Ras Mewrim in the Falas - but that's not 'him'. 'em' produces a whole host of hits, but no characters.

Oh, I forgot the second person, didn't I? You/your/yours do nothing on either index, and thy/thee/thou/thine all have that same -ht-. Um, what have I missed out... 'ym'? Well, there's Raymond E. Feist, but... ;)

Okay, it's looking like either the character isn't indexed by TG, or doesn't use an English pronoun. Hmm. Perhaps there are only a few dwarves with R in their names? NOPE there's heaps. At least 27 by my count. I... don't think I can brute-force that.

... and the E clue is an anagram of a note + a common spice, or possibly words meaning common + spice. Um... it's not pepper? Nah, anagrams from this many options aren't for me.

R(2): Either this is an archaic term for [soil/filth], or it's synonyms for archaic + dirt. Either way, either 'dirt' needs to end with R, or 'archaic' starts with it. In the latter case, the only word that jumps to mind is 'relic'; there are no names starting with that.

So, 'dirt'... there's rumour, but no names starting with ro/ruo. I can't come up with any other words ending in -r that come anywhere close to meaning 'dirt', so I guess I'll give up on this one.

I knew there was a reason I bowed out when we reached the point of Generic Noun Anagram Comma For Him. ^_~ Still, maybe I've given someone else something to start from.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

'It' is also a pronoun, but I couldn't get anything from that, either.

I suspect the remaining names are rare and we probably need to look in the indexes at the back of the HOME books.

[Huinesoron]

'It' is also a pronoun, but I couldn't get anything from that, either.

I suspect the remaining names are rare and we probably need to look in the indexes at the back of the HOME books.

Just realised I missed out 'our', but it would need the same -uo- that made 'you' so unlikely.

This is the first time I've wished I owned HoME XIII; a single index would be very helpful at this point.

If it's any help, the answers so far consist of 9 from the First Age, 3 from Numenor, 4 from the Third Age, and one (Lindo) who doesn't really fall into any of those. So probability suggests the last three are probably heavy on the First Age as well.

Urwen has said that 'E, A, R, and T' should be quite easy; that probably means the last R, and might mean the E we have outstanding too. If so, that suggests that both the spice and 'archaic dirt' are fairly well-known words - though the answer to 'A' used 'mallei', so maybe not.

hS

[Urwen]

The spice is easy, the archaic dirt isn't.


The spice is a common ingredient in every meal.

[Huinesoron]

The spice is easy, the archaic dirt isn't.

The spice is a common ingredient in every meal.

To me that sounds like SALT + E. Which gives us... Elast? Estal? Etals? Ealts? Eslat?

Ah, there it is: ELTAS, teller of the Tale of Turambar in the Cottage of Lost Play.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Archaic dirt could be LOAM ... except it doesn't have an R or produce anything useful when spelled backwards.

[Pervinca Took]

I found the Irish word CAOR, which I think is a small piece broken off a sod or turf, which is ROAC backwards.

[Pervinca Took]

New page.

HUNDAD: He is Atilla's father.
IMRAZOR: Initially, instant messaging and a shaving supplement reveal him.
SILMARIEN: A jewel loses its end, but gains expensive network, initially, for her.
THEODEN: Briefly, a state is inside the turncloak, for him.
OLWE: German lion spins for him.
R: A returning pronoun is inside a confused dwarf, for him
YLMIR: He is marbled, and confused
OROME: Confused Shakespearen lover reveals him
FEANOR: No price? Twist it for him.
MALLOR: An endless tree for him.
IVARE: Reorder a Valie for a minstrel.
DAERON: No read, but backwards, for him.
DIOR: French company shares his name.
LINDO: A Norse God finds a way, for him.
ELROS: A direction inside a bloomer, for him.
E: Note common spice in a spin, for him.
ALMIEL: Middle ear bones, in discord, reveal her.
R: Archaic dirt returns for him.
TELEMNAR: He is someone that laments, chaotically
HUAN: He is common in Spain.

[Huinesoron]

So we miiiight be left with just one to answer:

R: A returning pronoun is inside a confused dwarf, for him

I'm quite taken with the idea that it's a rare name that simply isn't indexed by the common sites, but... every single other character in the puzzle is. Postulating a single exception seems wrong to me.

If we are looking for something rare and weird... what were those three dwarves who showed up and bound Arda in the passage of time called? I'm sure that happened, in one of the variants of the tale of the Sun and Moon maybe?

hS

[Pervinca Took]

I'm not at all confident about ROAC, Huey. It's probably still 2 clues left to solve.

[Urwen]

HUNDAD: He is Atilla's father.
IMRAZOR: Initially, instant messaging and a shaving supplement reveal him.
SILMARIEN: A jewel loses its end, but gains expensive network, initially, for her.
THEODEN: Briefly, a state is inside the turncloak, for him.
OLWE: German lion spins for him.
R: A returning pronoun is inside a confused dwarf, for him
YLMIR: He is marbled, and confused
OROME: Confused Shakespearen lover reveals him
FEANOR: No price? Twist it for him.
MALLOR: An endless tree for him.
IVARE: Reorder a Valie for a minstrel.
DAERON: No read, but backwards, for him.
DIOR: French company shares his name.
LINDO: A Norse God finds a way, for him.
ELROS: A direction inside a bloomer, for him.
ELTAS: Note common spice in a spin, for him.
ALMIEL: Middle ear bones, in discord, reveal her.
R: Archaic dirt returns for him.
TELEMNAR: He is someone that laments, chaotically
HUAN: He is common in Spain.

[Urwen]

Yes to E, no to other two. Pervinca is correct in one aspect of R clue. It's RO+(something)

[Huinesoron]

Yes to E, no to other two. Pervinca is correct in one aspect of R clue. It's RO+(something)

My head keeps going to ROG, aka The Most Memorable Gondolinner (;)), but while 'gore' could arguably mean dirt (=filth = mess), 'gor' seems just to be a seagull.

Or there's RODNOR, aka Gil-Galad, which again jumps out as being a Histories name. But 'Rondor', again, doesn't mean anything (other than I Can't Spell Gondor).

hS

[Urwen]

HUNDAD: He is Atilla's father.
IMRAZOR: Initially, instant messaging and a shaving supplement reveal him.
SILMARIEN: A jewel loses its end, but gains expensive network, initially, for her.
THEODEN: Briefly, a state is inside the turncloak, for him.
OLWE: German lion spins for him.
R: A returning pronoun is inside a confused dwarf, for him
YLMIR: He is marbled, and confused
OROME: Confused Shakespearen lover reveals him
FEANOR: No price? Twist it for him.
MALLOR: An endless tree for him.
IVARE: Reorder a Valie for a minstrel.
DAERON: No read, but backwards, for him.
DIOR: French company shares his name.
LINDO: A Norse God finds a way, for him.
ELROS: A direction inside a bloomer, for him.
ELTAS: Note common spice in a spin, for him.
ALMIEL: Middle ear bones, in discord, reveal her.
ROG: Archaic dirt returns for him.
TELEMNAR: He is someone that laments, chaotically
HUAN: He is common in Spain.


Actually, GOR does mean dirt, according to my research via Google.

[Pervinca Took]

I would have posted ROG ages ago. Just didn't think GOR was a valid synonym of dirt. Oh well. ;)

So …

Is there a RATIN? That would give IT backwards within a confused NAR.

[Huinesoron]

I would have posted ROG ages ago. Just didn't think GOR was a valid synonym of dirt. Oh well. ;)

So …

Is there a RATIN? That would give IT backwards within a confused NAR.

Or how about RIMION, a name once used for Beren's grandfather? That would be NORI + I'M, which isn't a pronoun but is pretty close.

hS

[Urwen]

HUNDAD: He is Atilla's father.
IMRAZOR: Initially, instant messaging and a shaving supplement reveal him.
SILMARIEN: A jewel loses its end, but gains expensive network, initially, for her.
THEODEN: Briefly, a state is inside the turncloak, for him.
OLWE: German lion spins for him.
RIMION: A returning pronoun is inside a confused dwarf, for him
YLMIR: He is marbled, and confused
OROME: Confused Shakespearen lover reveals him
FEANOR: No price? Twist it for him.
MALLOR: An endless tree for him.
IVARE: Reorder a Valie for a minstrel.
DAERON: No read, but backwards, for him.
DIOR: French company shares his name.
LINDO: A Norse God finds a way, for him.
ELROS: A direction inside a bloomer, for him.
ELTAS: Note common spice in a spin, for him.
ALMIEL: Middle ear bones, in discord, reveal her.
ROG: Archaic dirt returns for him.
TELEMNAR: He is someone that laments, chaotically
HUAN: He is common in Spain.

Over to Pervinca.

[Pervinca Took]

OK ... here you go:

1. Juliet's bottle? Wherefore, we hear? Spin to find it.
2. Portal spins to meet destruction here.
3. Sounds like Beirut is here.
4. Here, have you finished? (Tsk, text language!)
5. Unwilling, confused? Here! It's all in the mind.
6. Lady of Aquitaine loses direction for her.
7. Geezer at the turnpike loses his way for him?
8. Science room in a jumble in a dry country? See him!
9. A bloke, a chicken, a mingling, a quadruped.
10. Note, French glory - praise indeed! Shake it up!
11. Return, uncorrupted, dental particle for a very significant occurrence.

[Urwen]

6. Elanor (Eleanor-E)

[Urwen]

4. Haysend (HA+Y+SEND)

[Galadriel55]

2. Orodruin (Door + Ruin)

[Pervinca Took]

1. Juliet's bottle? Wherefore, we hear? Spin to find it.
ORODRUIN: Portal spins to meet destruction here.
3. Sounds like Beirut is here.
4. Here, have you finished? (Tsk, text language!)
5. Unwilling, confused? Here! It's all in the mind.
ELANOR: Lady of Aquitaine loses direction for her.
7. Geezer at the turnpike loses his way for him?
8. Science room in a jumble in a dry country? See him!
9. A bloke, a chicken, a mingling, a quadruped.
10. Note, French glory - praise indeed! Shake it up!
11. Return, uncorrupted, dental particle for a very significant occurrence.

Yes to all but 'Haysend.' You're right about it being a place, though.

[Huinesoron]

#4: If it's a place, then 'here' is the straight clue, and 'are you finished is 'U DUN?'

#7: a turnpike is a TOLL road, and a Toll Man minus Left is TOLMAN. One of Sam's relatives, right?

#9: Rory (a bloke/plastic Roman) + hen, in out shake it all about = ROHERYN, who's... Arwen's horse, maybe?

#3: Beirut is a city in (the capital of?) Lebanon, which sounds like LEBENNIN, which is probably in Gondor.

All of which are pretty solidly in the last parts of the story, so _OLU_ET_R__ =...

... VOLUME THREE?

hS

[Pervinca Took]

All correct! :) Will put them in when I have a moment or two.

I don't get the 'plastic Roman' bit, though.

[Huinesoron]

All correct! :) Will put them in when I have a moment or two.

I don't get the 'plastic Roman' bit, though.

Doctor Who reference. Rory Williams gets replaced by a plastic duplicate of himself, while simultaneously being transported to Roman Britain. He then spends the next 2000 years being a semi-mythical plastic Roman.

This is the sort of reference you get when I forget the existence of Rorimac Brandybuck. ;)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

V: Juliet's bottle? Wherefore, we hear? Spin to find it.
ORODRUIN: Portal spins to meet destruction here.
LEBENNIN: Sounds like Beirut is here.
UDUN: Here, have you finished? (Tsk, text language!)
M: Unwilling, confused? Here! It's all in the mind.
ELANOR: Lady of Aquitaine loses direction for her.

TOLMAN: Geezer at the turnpike loses his way for him?
H: Science room in a jumble in a dry country? See him!
ROHERYN: A bloke, a chicken, a mingling, a quadruped.
E: Note, French glory - praise indeed! Shake it up!
E: Return, uncorrupted, dental particle for a very significant occurrence.

Isn't Roheryn Aragorn's horse, or have I got that wrong?

Quite impressed you got that clue so quickly, because there are lots of poppos besides Roheryn, plus a cow, a cat and some dogs! (Named ones, I mean).

And Rory isn't exactly a common name.

I would probably think of Rory Bremner first, although I first heard the name on a 70's children's programme called 'Animal Cwackers.' Rory was a lion. Other characters used to sing to him: 'Rory, Rory, tell us a story!' Ah, youth!

I've never really taken to Dr Who, to be honest.

[Huinesoron]

Isn't Roheryn Aragorn's horse, or have I got that wrong?

Quite impressed you got that clue so quickly, because there are lots of poppos besides Roheryn, plus a cow, a cat and some dogs! (Named ones, I mean).

And Rory isn't exactly a common name.

I would probably think of Rory Bremner first, although I first heard the name on a 70's children's programme called 'Animal Cwackers.' Rory was a lion. Other characters used to sing to him: 'Rory, Rory, tell us a story!' Ah, youth!

I've never really taken to Dr Who, to be honest.

I have nooo idea whose horse it is... I actually came at it from the other side, looking for horses (the obvious quadruped) with 'hen' in their names. I was expecting Man+Hen, but disassembling Roheryn left a man's name, so I gave it a shot. :)

... the final E isn't END, is it? I can't make it work with the clue (it's the first three letters of 'dental', returned, but corrupted), but it is a significant event...

hS

[Urwen]

Halbarad (LAB inside HARAD)

[Pervinca Took]

Huey:

Not 'End.' An interesting idea, though. 'Corrupted' isn't an anagram indicator.

'Man + Hen' is making me see a really weird mythical creature, like a centaur but with feathers ....

[Pervinca Took]

V: Juliet's bottle? Wherefore, we hear? Spin to find it.
ORODRUIN: Portal spins to meet destruction here.
LEBENNIN: Sounds like Beirut is here.
UDUN: Here, have you finished? (Tsk, text language!)
M: Unwilling, confused? Here! It's all in the mind.
ELANOR: Lady of Aquitaine loses direction for her.

TOLMAN: Geezer at the turnpike loses his way for him?
HALBARAD: Science room in a jumble in a dry country? See him!
ROHERYN: A bloke, a chicken, a mingling, a quadruped.
E: Note, French glory - praise indeed! Shake it up!
E: Return, uncorrupted, dental particle for a very significant occurrence.

[Pervinca Took]

Hang on, I didn't even *type* 'corrupted' in the clue, so of course it isn't an anagram indicator! ;)

[Huinesoron]

Hang on, I didn't even *type* 'corrupted' in the clue, so of course it isn't an anagram indicator!

No, I know - like I said, it doesn't really fit the clue, but if I didn't ask...

Okay, V should be easy; how many V-words can there be? I think 'wherefore, we hear' might be a Y, but Juliet's bottle?

Umm... if it's Juliet of Romeo fame, then she was Italian. 'Bottiglia' doesn't have a V, but something like 'vino', for 'wine', does.

... how about VILYA? It shows up in Volume 3, and 'Vila' looks like an Italian word. :D

The first E: French for 'glory' is 'gloire', which sounds close to one of the words used at Cormallen... yep, EGLERIO, with an E note.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

No, I know - like I said, it doesn't really fit the clue, but if I didn't ask...

Okay, V should be easy; how many V-words can there be? I think 'wherefore, we hear' might be a Y, but Juliet's bottle?

Umm... if it's Juliet of Romeo fame, then she was Italian. 'Bottiglia' doesn't have a V, but something like 'vino', for 'wine', does.

... how about VILYA? It shows up in Volume 3, and 'Vila' looks like an Italian word. :D

The first E: French for 'glory' is 'gloire', which sounds close to one of the words used at Cormallen... yep, EGLERIO, with an E note.

hS

Quite. I was telling myself off, not you. I've added a wink to make it clearer. :)

EGLERIO is correct. So is your reasoning.

VILYA is correct too, but the reason is that Juliet drinks a sleeping potion from a small glass bottle which is on every occasion referred to as a VIAL. There's a famous speech, just before she swallows its contents, in which she expresses her terrible fears of its not working, or being poison that the Friar has given her to get rid of her, or of waking too early and suffocating in the family vault with all those pongy corpses, or going mad and playing with the bones of her dead kinsmen and women! I remember an actress performing it on Wogan, back in the 80's - an elderly lady speaking a part from her youth. Pretty cool that she still remembered it!

It will be the same sort of thing that Galadriel called a PHIAL, but it's VIAL in Shakespeare, so it's Juliet in the clue, because I needed the V.

Then the Y is because 'wherefore' actually means WHY, which sounds like, (hence 'we hear') Y.

'Wherefore art thou Romeo?' of course means 'WHY are you Romeo?' - because it means, (together with the lines that follow), "Why are you Romeo Montague? (Because my family will never let me marry a Montague). Then she goes on to ask him to throw away his name, or if not she'll throw away hers and no longer be a Capulet.

[Pervinca Took]

VILYA: Juliet's bottle? Wherefore, we hear? Spin to find it.
ORODRUIN: Portal spins to meet destruction here.
LEBENNIN: Sounds like Beirut is here.
UDUN: Here, have you finished? (Tsk, text language!)
M: Unwilling, confused? Here! It's all in the mind.
ELANOR: Lady of Aquitaine loses direction for her.

TOLMAN: Geezer at the turnpike loses his way for him?
HALBARAD: Science room in a jumble in a dry country? See him!
ROHERYN: A bloke, a chicken, a mingling, a quadruped.
EGLERIO: Note, French glory - praise indeed! Shake it up!
E: Return, uncorrupted, dental particle for a very significant occurrence.

Vilya indeed - only seen and named at the very end, along with Narya.

I wonder if Frodo already knew the names of the other two Elven-Rings by the last chapter, but not who bore them.

I hope Roheryn is right - I think Halbarad brought him to Aragorn in Volume Three.

Two to go!

[Pervinca Took]

Come on, guys! The last two are not that hard.

What are the most significant things that occur in ROTK?

[Huinesoron]

Come on, guys! That last two are not that hard.

What are the most significant things that occur in ROTK?

... ERUPTION starts with E, and has the 'RUPT' sound from 'uncorrupted'.

;)

hS

[Galadriel55]

Come on, guys! That last two are not that hard.

What are the most significant things that occur in ROTK?

Melting of the Ring? Making Aragorn King? Oh, I know! Merry's curly Entish hair. :D


Seriously, I don't know, but if we assume clues to be distributed somewhat evenly we're still lacking a representation from the Scouring.

[Pervinca Took]

VILYA: Juliet's bottle? Wherefore, we hear? Spin to find it.
ORODRUIN: Portal spins to meet destruction here.
LEBENNIN: Sounds like Beirut is here.
UDUN: Here, have you finished? (Tsk, text language!)
M: Unwilling, confused? Here! It's all in the mind.
ELANOR: Lady of Aquitaine loses direction for her.

TOLMAN: Geezer at the turnpike loses his way for him?
HALBARAD: Science room in a jumble in a dry country? See him!
ROHERYN: A bloke, a chicken, a mingling, a quadruped.
EGLERIO: Note, French glory - praise indeed! Shake it up!
ERUPTION: Return, uncorrupted, dental particle for a very significant occurrence.

Or you could try PURE (uncorrupted) backwards, then add T (dental sound/plosive) and ION (particle).

I don't always manage to spread clues evenly, but TOLMAN appears in the Scouring episode.

The remaining answer, though, does not. I can't remember if the actual name appears at all. But the place does. And it's AFTER the Scouring. ;)

(Eglerio and Eruption came about because I just couldn't face writing clues for Elladan and Elrohir yet again).

[Huinesoron]

Or you could try PURE (uncorrupted) backwards, then add T (dental sound/plosive) and ION (particle).

Sure, I suppose that works as well. ;)

(Eglerio and Eruption came about because I just couldn't face writing clues for Elladan and Elrohir yet again).

HEAR HEAR.

The remaining answer, though, does not. I can't remember if the actual name appears at all. But the place does. And it's AFTER the Scouring. ;)

Working 100% backwards from the only placename that fits... if you take LOTH (the rarer form of 'loath') and scramble it, then stick it into the middle of MIND, you get MITHLOND.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

VILYA: Juliet's bottle? Wherefore, we hear? Spin to find it.
ORODRUIN: Portal spins to meet destruction here.
LEBENNIN: Sounds like Beirut is here.
UDUN: Here, have you finished? (Tsk, text language!)
MITHLOND: Unwilling, confused? Here! It's all in the mind.
ELANOR: Lady of Aquitaine loses direction for her.

TOLMAN: Geezer at the turnpike loses his way for him?
HALBARAD: Science room in a jumble in a dry country? See him!
ROHERYN: A bloke, a chicken, a mingling, a quadruped.
EGLERIO: Note, French glory - praise indeed! Shake it up!
ERUPTION: Return, uncorrupted, dental particle for a very significant occurrence.

That's the one!

Over to you. :)

[Huinesoron]

Thank you! That was fun; I mean, frustratingly hard in places, but fun. :)

It's been a while since I've done this, so hopefully I'm not too rusty...

1. - They march, conjunctionless, on an odd rim.
2. - See, hear - it's great.
3. - Our rock, silly Mary - ill. Not asking why or playing doubles.
4. - I'll hear amid the waters.
5. - The Golden Wood, a river? Not in west London, more like in west Raleigh.
6. - Take inventory in Adelaide, three times each, put it on a Serbian site, and fight.
7. - First, during Frodo's burden's loss, an angry speech in the south.
8. - Miners make now this, now glamour - it's in there if they listen.
9. - A tumbling garden meets a hammer's lord, father of two sons.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

I think 1 is ONODRIM, but I don't get 'conjunctionless,' unless it's 'NO OR' ... but that would take the R from RIM.

2. The great SEA, which sounds like see? :D

...

Maybe OSSIRIAND for the password?

I'd say DERNHELM for the last one ... four letters of GARDEN plus HELM, but we don't hear anything about Eowyn's offspring.

Perhaps there's another Dernhelm?

3. Silly Mary ill gives SILMARIL if you make the two double L's single and take out the Y's.

[Huinesoron]

I think 1 is ONODRIM, but I don't get 'conjunctionless,' unless it's 'NO OR' ... but that would take the R from RIM.

AND is a conjunction. :)

2. The great SEA, which sounds like see? :D

Precisely.


...

Maybe OSSIRIAND for the password?

Correct!

Note to self: next password should contain only the most common letters in any given position. Some calculation may be required.

I'd say DERNHELM for the last one ... four letters of GARDEN plus HELM, but we don't hear anything about Eowyn's offspring.

Perhaps there's another Dernhelm?

It isn't Dernhelm. Different garden, different hammer.

3. Silly Mary ill gives SILMARIL if you make the two double L's single and take out the Y's.

This is precisely right.

ONODRIM - They march, conjunctionless, on an odd rim.
SEA - See, hear - it's great.
SILMARIL - Our rock, silly Mary - ill. Not asking why or playing doubles.
4. I - I'll hear amid the waters.
5. R - The Golden Wood, a river? Not in west London, more like in west Raleigh.
6. I - Take inventory in Adelaide, three times each, put it on a Serbian site, and fight.
7. A - First, during Frodo's burden's loss, an angry speech in the south.
8. N - Miners make now this, now glamour - it's in there if they listen.
9. D - A tumbling garden meets a hammer's lord, father of two sons.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Ah, DENETHOR, father of Bozzer and Faramir.

It's EDEN, plus THOR, I guess.

Is Ossiriand also the theme? Did the other Denethor also have two sons?

7. ADURANT, the most southerly of Ossiriand's seven rivers. RANT for angry speech, but can't provide the rest.

[Galadriel55]

I believe 4 starts with Isle. Isle of Balar?

[Pervinca Took]

Oh ... A for first letter, DU(RING) (lose Frodo's burden), then add RANT.

ADURANT.

8. NAUGLAMIR. (Was wondering why I couldn't get Nargothrond to work!)

[Pervinca Took]

I think 5 might be RATHLORIEL - it contains most of the Golden Wood (Lorien) and it's a river.

Could RA be the westernmost part of Raleigh? (The letters furthest to the west/left?) - oh, we want the L of Raleigh too. 'Not in west London' isn't 'Don't take the L from London, take it from Raleigh' ... it's 'The N from London isn't in - the letter from the east/ right of it (not the west) - so take it from LORIEN.' The rest of it goes in RA ...L.

Damn. Thought I'd solved it. Where does the TH come from?

[Huinesoron]

Ah, DENETHOR, father of Bozzer and Faramir.

It's EDEN, plus THOR, I guess.

Is Ossiriand also the theme? Did the other Denethor also have two sons?

7. ADURANT, the most southerly of Ossiriand's seven rivers. RANT for angry speech, but can't provide the rest.

Yep on Denethor. I don't think the other one had kids, but I was trying to be tricksy. :) Ossiriand is the theme.

I believe 4 starts with Isle. Isle of Balar?

It both starts and ends with Isle! (Tol Galen doesn't start with I, is why)

Oh ... A for first letter, DU(RING) (lose Frodo's burden), then add RANT.

ADURANT.

8. NAUGLAMIR. (Was wondering why I couldn't get Nargothrond to work!)

Spot on with the reasoning for Adurant, and well done finding nowglamour.

ONODRIM - They march, conjunctionless, on an odd rim.
SEA - See, hear - it's great.
SILMARIL - Our rock, silly Mary - ill. Not asking why or playing doubles.
ISLE - I'll hear amid the waters.
5. R - The Golden Wood, a river? Not in west London, more like in west Raleigh.
6. I - Take inventory in Adelaide, three times each, put it on a Serbian site, and fight.
ADURANT - First, during Frodo's burden's loss, an angry speech in the south.
NAUGLAMIR - Miners make now this, now glamour - it's in there if they listen.
DENETHOR - A tumbling garden meets a hammer's lord, father of two sons.

Only two to go!

hS

[Huinesoron]

I think 5 might be RATHLORIEL - it contains most of the Golden Wood (Lorien) and it's a river.

Could RA be the westernmost part of Raleigh? (The letters furthest to the west/left?) - oh, we want the L of Raleigh too. 'Not in west London' isn't 'Don't take the L from London, take it from Raleigh' ... it's 'The N from London isn't in - the letter from the east/ right of it (not the west) - so take it from LORIEN.' The rest of it goes in RA ...L.

Damn. Thought I'd solved it. Where does the TH come from?

Well, you did get the right answer! It's LOTHLORIEN minus LO... N, plus RA... L.

ONODRIM - They march, conjunctionless, on an odd rim.
SEA - See, hear - it's great.
SILMARIL - Our rock, silly Mary - ill. Not asking why or playing doubles.
ISLE - I'll hear amid the waters.
RATHLORIEL - The Golden Wood, a river? Not in west London, more like in west Raleigh.
6. I - Take inventory in Adelaide, three times each, put it on a Serbian site, and fight.
ADURANT - First, during Frodo's burden's loss, an angry speech in the south.
NAUGLAMIR - Miners make now this, now glamour - it's in there if they listen.
DENETHOR - A tumbling garden meets a hammer's lord, father of two sons.

hS

[Urwen]

I think it's this:

Gelion-Ascar Stockade

Take inventory = Stock + Ade (from Adelaide), also lai sounds like 'lay' which is a synonym for put on.

(Also, Riddles in the Downs needs some love.)

[Huinesoron]

I think it's this:

Gelion-Ascar Stockade

Take inventory = Stock + Ade (from Adelaide), also lai sounds like 'lay' which is a synonym for put on.

(Also, Riddles in the Downs needs some love.)

I would have loved to use Stockade for one of the S, but... I didn't think of it. ;) Not this, though ADE is right, and correctly derived to boot.

hS

[Urwen]

No love for Riddles in the Downs?

[Pervinca Took]

No time, and prefer this thread. Sorry.

I found I VAETH or I MAETH for battle, but nothing else beginning with I.

[Urwen]

The only other thing that comes to mind is Land of the Dead that Live, but it doesn't seem to fit either.

[Pervinca Took]

Huey, put us out of our misery!

Or at least give us a hint?

[Huinesoron]

It's none of those. :)

... all right, all right. It starts with I, and is formed of three parts. ADE is the second part.

And it's not a specifically Tolkien term.

hS

[Urwen]

Invaders. (INV+ADE+RS)

[Huinesoron]

Invaders. (INV+ADE+RS)

Bingo! (No, not Bingo Baggins.) Inv-Ade.rs. I was thinking of the orcs who fought Denethor, but the dwarves probably count too.

ONODRIM - They march, conjunctionless, on an odd rim.
SEA - See, hear - it's great.
SILMARIL - Our rock, silly Mary - ill. Not asking why or playing doubles.
ISLE - I'll hear amid the waters.
RATHLORIEL - The Golden Wood, a river? Not in west London, more like in west Raleigh.
INVADERS - Take inventory in Adelaide, three times each, put it on a Serbian site, and fight.
ADURANT - First, during Frodo's burden's loss, an angry speech in the south.
NAUGLAMIR - Miners make now this, now glamour - it's in there if they listen.
DENETHOR - A tumbling garden meets a hammer's lord, father of two sons.

Theme: People, places, and things in Ossiriand

Over to Pervinca!

hS

[Urwen]

that I am from Serbia?

[Pervinca Took]

I didn't, for one!

What is the Serbian site in the answer, and where does 3 times each fit in? 3 invasions?

Is the Sea strictly IN Ossiriand? ;)

Signed,

Pervinca the Pedant

[Urwen]

Not a Serbian site, but the domain.

[Pervinca Took]

Oh, 3 times = 3 letters from each.

Is RS the domain for Serbia, like DE (I think) for Germany?

[Huinesoron]

that I am from Serbia?

I did not! I just checked Wikipedia to see what RS could stand for.

In my professional capacity I'm quite fond of Serbia, because it looks like Serbian chemical labels will also be accepted in at least three nearby countries. That makes my job much easier, and is probably why I picked it from Wikipedia's list.


Is the Sea strictly IN Ossiriand? ;)

Signed,

Pervinca the Pedant

It is by the Second Age. :D

Oh, 3 times = 3 letters from each.

Is RS the domain for Serbia, like DE (I think) for Germany?

That's exactly it, yep.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Completely EXCELLENT answer regarding the Sea. :D Not the full Numenor treatment, but War of Cross Valar was no joke.

Pedantry satisfied. :)

Any road, here's the next one:


1. The first – an archangel – who’s guarding a vase?
2. The second – spends more than an age at his house?
3. The third graced our screens in ‘Auf Wiedersehen, Pet!’
4. The fourth was a Prince on a Veronese set.
5. The fifth, though no hobbit, loves victuals and drink,
6. The sixth – Walford matriarch allows us – I think!
7. The seventh played quack to Ross Poldark’s old flame -
8. The eighth, (flag the second), definitive Thain!*
9. The ninth, (flag the fourth), a Walfordian quack -
10. The tenth – Tucker’s sister? (Once a river flows back).
11. In eleven, a saint meets a foundling most poor -
12. In twelve, it seems Shakespeare’s nearby, but wherefore? **
13. Thirteen is a saint, and a visionary too, **
14. Fourteen is a maid, and a gemstone most true.
15. Fifteen: Eighties game, plus a bounder and measure, **
16. Sixteen plays the son of an elf who loves treasure.
17. For seventeen, no spade? Petrified, but not dead!
18. Eighteen, (flag the sixth), Attercop! Poison-head!
19. The nineteenth, twice queenly, a pen or car-stopper?
20. With twenty as glue, the tale won’t come a cropper! **
21. Twenty-one is no Jekyll. On horseback he jogs,
22. Twenty-two steers a barge, or plays fair Lewis Boggs!
23. This sibilant genius is our twenty-three - ***
24. Two dozen! - a Potter, and Old English sea!

The whole means a drama, of quality rare,
Where thesps and their ilk show considerable flair!
I left out the ‘sounds likes’ to make it flow better,
So - enjoy the clues! (From Pervinca, your setter).

( * Well, future Thain).
(** Flag the second).
(*** Flag the third).

[Urwen]

Are we talking about individual letters which form the password?

[Galadriel55]

that I am from Serbia?

No, I did not. And that was an inspired answer!


I can't help but think that 4 refers to Escalus, but I don't know what to do with him.




... Seems like a lot of actors, based on the clues' phrasing. Oh geez.

[Pervinca Took]

No, I did not. And that was an inspired answer!


I can't help but think that 4 refers to Escalus, but I don't know what to do with him.




... Seems like a lot of actors, based on the clues' phrasing. Oh geez.

Yes, more or less. But once you figure which set, you'll tumble them very quickly. And it's mostly first letters. Where it isn't, it says 'flag the second,' etc.

I would try the ones that obviously refer to an actor's other work first. The password will gradually reveal itself.

Galadriel, find someone who PLAYED Escalus. On film.

[Urwen]

Are they all actors who portrayed characters in LoTR? Cos 22 surely was.

[Urwen]

Ah, I see. I know the pattern now. All I need to do is match the remaining actors from that to their other roles as described.

[Pervinca Took]

Yes. Except that some of the clues are cryptic.

[Urwen]

Letters I found so far:


3. C
4. D
9. A

10. N or E
13. R
16. D
22. R

[Pervinca Took]

I'm not putting them in unless answers are given. ;)

[Urwen]

3. Christopher Fairbank
4. David Lyon
6. Gillian Taylforth
9. Howard Antony
10. Noelle Beck
13. Graham Faulkner
16. David Collings
22. Richard O'Callaghan

[Urwen]

And just to be sure: is this (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lord_of_the_Rings_(1981_radio_series)) the theme?

[Pervinca Took]

Yes to 3, 16, 22 and the theme.

No to the rest.

[Urwen]

Are you sure that 13 isn't correct? ;)

[Urwen]

Also, I've tried putting that as a password, but letters don't match up.

[Urwen]

BBC Lord of the Rings Radio Drama something something?

[Pervinca Took]

1. The first – an archangel – who’s guarding a vase?
2. The second – spends more than an age at his house?
CHRISTOPHER FAIRBANK (Shagrat): The third graced our screens in ‘Auf Wiedersehen, Pet!’
4. The fourth was a Prince on a Veronese set.
5. The fifth, though no hobbit, loves victuals and drink,
6. The sixth – Walford matriarch allows us – I think!
7. The seventh played quack to Ross Poldark’s old flame -
8. The eighth, (flag the second), definitive Thain!*
9. The ninth, (flag the fourth), a Walfordian quack -
10. The tenth – Tucker’s sister? (Once a river flows back).
11. In eleven, a saint meets a foundling most poor -
12. In twelve, it seems Shakespeare’s nearby, but wherefore? **
13. Thirteen is a saint, and a visionary too, **
14. Fourteen is a maid, and a gemstone most true.
15. Fifteen: Eighties game, plus a bounder and measure, **
DAVID COLLINGS (Legolas): Sixteen plays the son of an elf who loves treasure.
17. For seventeen, no spade? Petrified, but not dead!
18. Eighteen, (flag the sixth), Attercop! Poison-head!
19. The nineteenth, twice queenly, a pen or car-stopper?
20. With twenty as glue, the tale won’t come a cropper! **
21. Twenty-one is no Jekyll. On horseback he jogs,
RICHARD O'CALLAGHAN (Merry): Twenty-two steers a barge, or plays fair Lewis Boggs!
23. This sibilant genius is our twenty-three - ***
24. Two dozen! - a Potter, and Old English sea!

The whole means a drama, of quality rare,
Where thesps and their ilk show considerable flair!
I left out the ‘sounds likes’ to make it flow better,
So - enjoy the clues! (From Pervinca, your setter).

( * Well, future Thain).
(** Flag the second).
(*** Flag the third).

THEME: THE BBC 'LORD OF THE RINGS' RADIO DRAMATISATION.

Quite sure, thank you. :)

You are right that 'Walfordian' - in both cases - refers to 'Eastenders' - but neither of the stars is Gillian Taylforth.

[Urwen]

4. Robert Stephens (Aragorn)

[Urwen]

8. Bill Nighy (Sam).

[Urwen]

17. Ian Holm
18. Jenny Lee

[Urwen]

21. Anthony Hyde.

[Urwen]

14. Marian Diamond.

[Urwen]

9. Leonard Fenton.

[Urwen]

6. Pauline Letts.

[Urwen]

15. John Le Mesurier


I am on a roll. :D

[Urwen]

1. Michael Hordern.

[Urwen]

Now I shall wait to see what's correct and what isn't before I continue.

[Pervinca Took]

MICHAEL HORDERN (Gandalf): The first – an archangel – who’s guarding a vase?
2. The second – spends more than an age at his house?
CHRISTOPHER FAIRBANK (Shagrat): The third graced our screens in ‘Auf Wiedersehen, Pet!’
ROBERT STEPHENS (Aragorn): The fourth was a Prince on a Veronese set.
5. The fifth, though no hobbit, loves victuals and drink,
PAULINE LETTS (Ioreth): The sixth – Walford matriarch allows us – I think!
7. The seventh played quack to Ross Poldark’s old flame -
8. The eighth, (flag the second), definitive Thain!*
LEONARD FENTON (Daddy Twofoot): The ninth, (flag the fourth), a Walfordian quack -
10. The tenth – Tucker’s sister? (Once a river flows back).
11. In eleven, a saint meets a foundling most poor -
WILLIAM NIGHY: In twelve, it seems Shakespeare’s nearby, but wherefore? **
13. Thirteen is a saint, and a visionary too, **
MARION DIAMOND (Galadriel): Fourteen is a maid, and a gemstone most true.
15. Fifteen: Eighties game, plus a bounder and measure, **
DAVID COLLINGS (Legolas): Sixteen plays the son of an elf who loves treasure.
17. For seventeen, no spade? Petrified, but not dead!
JENNY LEE (Shelob): Eighteen, (flag the sixth), Attercop! Poison-head!
19. The nineteenth, twice queenly, a pen or car-stopper?
20. With twenty as glue, the tale won’t come a cropper! **
ANTHONY HYDE (Eomer): Twenty-one is no Jekyll. On horseback he jogs,
RICHARD O'CALLAGHAN (Merry): Twenty-two steers a barge, or plays fair Lewis Boggs!
23. This sibilant genius is our twenty-three - ***
24. Two dozen! - a Potter, and Old English sea!

The whole means a drama, of quality rare,
Where thesps and their ilk show considerable flair!
I left out the ‘sounds likes’ to make it flow better,
So - enjoy the clues! (From Pervinca, your setter).

( * Well, future Thain).
(** Flag the second).
(*** Flag the third).

THEME: THE BBC 'LORD OF THE RINGS' RADIO DRAMATISATION.

You *are* on a roll, but a very brief explanation of the answers would be nice.

Yes to all except John Le Mesurier.

[Urwen]

I think you forgot to put in 17.....

[Urwen]

Password: Microphones in Middle-Earth?

[Pervinca Took]

I think you forgot to put in 17.....

No I didn't. You gave the wrong answer.

Password now correct, following your edit.

[Urwen]

24. Harry (obvious why) + Holm (old English for 'sea') = Harry Holm.

[Urwen]

No I didn't. You gave the wrong answer.

Password now correct, following your edit.


You said 'Yes to all except John Le Mesurier' and so I assumed 17 was correct as well....

[Pervinca Took]

MICHAEL HORDERN (Gandalf): The first – an archangel – who’s guarding a vase?
I: The second – spends more than an age at his house?
CHRISTOPHER FAIRBANK (Shagrat): The third graced our screens in ‘Auf Wiedersehen, Pet!’
ROBERT STEPHENS (Aragorn): The fourth was a Prince on a Veronese set.
O: The fifth, though no hobbit, loves victuals and drink,
PAULINE LETTS (Ioreth): The sixth – Walford matriarch allows us – I think!
H: The seventh played quack to Ross Poldark’s old flame -
?O: The eighth, (flag the second), definitive Thain!*
LEONARD FENTON (Daddy Twofoot): The ninth, (flag the fourth), a Walfordian quack -
E: The tenth – Tucker’s sister? (Once a river flows back).
S: In eleven, a saint meets a foundling most poor -

WILLIAM NIGHY: In twelve, it seems Shakespeare’s nearby, but wherefore? **
?N: Thirteen is a saint, and a visionary too, **

MARION DIAMOND (Galadriel): Fourteen is a maid, and a gemstone most true.
?I: Fifteen: Eighties game, plus a bounder and measure, **
DAVID COLLINGS (Legolas): Sixteen plays the son of an elf who loves treasure.
D: For seventeen, no spade? Petrified, but not dead!
JENNY LEE (Shelob): Eighteen, (flag the sixth), Attercop! Poison-head!
E: The nineteenth, twice queenly, a pen or car-stopper?
-
?E: With twenty as glue, the tale won’t come a cropper! **
ANTHONY HYDE (Eomer): Twenty-one is no Jekyll. On horseback he jogs,
RICHARD O'CALLAGHAN (Merry): Twenty-two steers a barge, or plays fair Lewis Boggs!
??T: This sibilant genius is our twenty-three - ***
HARRY HOLM (Elanor): Two dozen! - a Potter, and Old English sea!

The whole means a drama, of quality rare,
Where thesps and their ilk show considerable flair!
I left out the ‘sounds likes’ to make it flow better,
So - enjoy the clues! (From Pervinca, your setter).

( * Well, future Thain).
(** Flag the second).
(*** Flag the third).

THEME: THE BBC 'LORD OF THE RINGS' RADIO DRAMATISATION.

[Pervinca Took]

You said 'Yes to all except John Le Mesurier' and so I assumed 17 was correct as well....

Ah, sorry. I must have missed that one.

I've put in Harry Holm (Elanor) now.

[Urwen]

8. John McAndrew.

[Urwen]

10. Elin (Nile backwards) Jenkins.

[Pervinca Took]

MICHAEL HORDERN (Gandalf): The first – an archangel – who’s guarding a vase?
I: The second – spends more than an age at his house?
CHRISTOPHER FAIRBANK (Shagrat): The third graced our screens in ‘Auf Wiedersehen, Pet!’
ROBERT STEPHENS (Aragorn): The fourth was a Prince on a Veronese set.
O: The fifth, though no hobbit, loves victuals and drink,
PAULINE LETTS (Ioreth): The sixth – Walford matriarch allows us – I think!
H: The seventh played quack to Ross Poldark’s old flame -
JOHN MCANDREW (Pippin): The eighth, (flag the second), definitive Thain!*
LEONARD FENTON (Daddy Twofoot): The ninth, (flag the fourth), a Walfordian quack -
ELIN JENKINS: The tenth – Tucker’s sister? (Once a river flows back).
S: In eleven, a saint meets a foundling most poor -

WILLIAM NIGHY: In twelve, it seems Shakespeare’s nearby, but wherefore? **
?N: Thirteen is a saint, and a visionary too, **

MARION DIAMOND (Galadriel): Fourteen is a maid, and a gemstone most true.
?I: Fifteen: Eighties game, plus a bounder and measure, **
DAVID COLLINGS (Legolas): Sixteen plays the son of an elf who loves treasure.
D: For seventeen, no spade? Petrified, but not dead!
JENNY LEE (Shelob): Eighteen, (flag the sixth), Attercop! Poison-head!
E: The nineteenth, twice queenly, a pen or car-stopper?
-
?E: With twenty as glue, the tale won’t come a cropper! **
ANTHONY HYDE (Eomer): Twenty-one is no Jekyll. On horseback he jogs,
RICHARD O'CALLAGHAN (Merry): Twenty-two steers a barge, or plays fair Lewis Boggs!
??T: This sibilant genius is our twenty-three - ***
HARRY HOLM (Elanor): Two dozen! - a Potter, and Old English sea!

The whole means a drama, of quality rare,
Where thesps and their ilk show considerable flair!
I left out the ‘sounds likes’ to make it flow better,
So - enjoy the clues! (From Pervinca, your setter).

( * Well, future Thain).
(** Flag the second).
(*** Flag the third).

THEME: THE BBC 'LORD OF THE RINGS' RADIO DRAMATISATION.

Verily. And let me tell you, he really IS definitive! :)

FYI, Tucker Jenkins is an iconic character from the hugely popular British school drama, 'Grange Hill.'

[Urwen]

11: Stephen (from Saint Stephen) Thorne.

[Pervinca Took]

11: Stephen (from Saint Stephen) Thorne.

Right saint, but find a foundling.

[Urwen]

13. Andrew (a saint) + Seear (sounds like 'seer').

[Urwen]

Right saint, but find a foundling.


https://books.google.rs/books?id=I_lcDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA8&lpg=PA8&dq=thorne+orphan&source=bl&ots=t_rpJBHmg8&sig=ACfU3U1oMhegC31_iDqoCzmi9dDR_BeHpA&hl=sr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiunp-p5_nnAhVyCWMBHWt4BW4Q6AEwDHoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=thorne%20orphan&f=false


^That?

[Pervinca Took]

MICHAEL HORDERN (Gandalf): The first – an archangel – who’s guarding a vase?
I: The second – spends more than an age at his house?
CHRISTOPHER FAIRBANK (Shagrat): The third graced our screens in ‘Auf Wiedersehen, Pet!’
ROBERT STEPHENS (Aragorn): The fourth was a Prince on a Veronese set.
O: The fifth, though no hobbit, loves victuals and drink,
PAULINE LETTS (Ioreth): The sixth – Walford matriarch allows us – I think!
H: The seventh played quack to Ross Poldark’s old flame -
JOHN MCANDREW (Pippin): The eighth, (flag the second), definitive Thain!*
LEONARD FENTON (Daddy Twofoot): The ninth, (flag the fourth), a Walfordian quack -
ELIN JENKINS (Eowyn): The tenth – Tucker’s sister? (Once a river flows back).
S: In eleven, a saint meets a foundling most poor -

WILLIAM NIGHY (Sam): In twelve, it seems Shakespeare’s nearby, but wherefore? **
ANREW SEEAR (Faramir): Thirteen is a saint, and a visionary too, **

MARION DIAMOND (Galadriel): Fourteen is a maid, and a gemstone most true.
?I: Fifteen: Eighties game, plus a bounder and measure, **
DAVID COLLINGS (Legolas): Sixteen plays the son of an elf who loves treasure.
DOUGLAS LIVINGSTONE (Gimli): For seventeen, no spade? Petrified, but not dead!
JENNY LEE (Shelob): Eighteen, (flag the sixth), Attercop! Poison-head!
E: The nineteenth, twice queenly, a pen or car-stopper?
-
?E: With twenty as glue, the tale won’t come a cropper! **
ANTHONY HYDE (Eomer): Twenty-one is no Jekyll. On horseback he jogs,
RICHARD O'CALLAGHAN (Merry): Twenty-two steers a barge, or plays fair Lewis Boggs!
??T: This sibilant genius is our twenty-three - ***
HARRY HOLM (Elanor): Two dozen! - a Potter, and Old English sea!

The whole means a drama, of quality rare,
Where thesps and their ilk show considerable flair!
I left out the ‘sounds likes’ to make it flow better,
So - enjoy the clues! (From Pervinca, your setter).

( * Well, future Thain).
(** Flag the second).
(*** Flag the third).

THEME: THE BBC 'LORD OF THE RINGS' RADIO DRAMATISATION.

Andrew Seear, the definitive Faramir.

And Douglas Livingstone, the definitive Gimli.

Yes, this dramatisation *is* that good.

Michael Hordern was the definitive Gandalf, too.

[Urwen]

17. Douglas Livingstone (Living+stone)

[Urwen]

19. Elizabeth Parker (queen = Elizabeth, car-stopper/pen brand = parker)

[Pervinca Took]

17. Douglas Livingstone (Living+stone)

True. Plus DUG-LESS = no spade. :D

[Pervinca Took]

MICHAEL HORDERN (Gandalf): The first – an archangel – who’s guarding a vase?
I: The second – spends more than an age at his house?
CHRISTOPHER FAIRBANK (Shagrat): The third graced our screens in ‘Auf Wiedersehen, Pet!’
ROBERT STEPHENS (Aragorn): The fourth was a Prince on a Veronese set.
O: The fifth, though no hobbit, loves victuals and drink,
PAULINE LETTS (Ioreth): The sixth – Walford matriarch allows us – I think!
H: The seventh played quack to Ross Poldark’s old flame -
JOHN MCANDREW (Pippin): The eighth, (flag the second), definitive Thain!*
LEONARD FENTON (Daddy Twofoot): The ninth, (flag the fourth), a Walfordian quack -
ELIN JENKINS (Eowyn): The tenth – Tucker’s sister? (Once a river flows back).
S: In eleven, a saint meets a foundling most poor -

WILLIAM NIGHY (Sam): In twelve, it seems Shakespeare’s nearby, but wherefore? **
ANREW SEEAR (Faramir): Thirteen is a saint, and a visionary too, **

MARION DIAMOND (Galadriel): Fourteen is a maid, and a gemstone most true.
?I: Fifteen: Eighties game, plus a bounder and measure, **
DAVID COLLINGS (Legolas): Sixteen plays the son of an elf who loves treasure.
DOUGLAS LIVINGSTONE (Gimli): For seventeen, no spade? Petrified, but not dead!
JENNY LEE (Shelob): Eighteen, (flag the sixth), Attercop! Poison-head!
ELIZABETH PARKER (Radiophonic Sound): The nineteenth, twice queenly, a pen or car-stopper?
-
?E: With twenty as glue, the tale won’t come a cropper! **
ANTHONY HYDE (Eomer): Twenty-one is no Jekyll. On horseback he jogs,
RICHARD O'CALLAGHAN (Merry): Twenty-two steers a barge, or plays fair Lewis Boggs!
??T: This sibilant genius is our twenty-three - ***
HARRY HOLM (Elanor): Two dozen! - a Potter, and Old English sea!

The whole means a drama, of quality rare,
Where thesps and their ilk show considerable flair!
I left out the ‘sounds likes’ to make it flow better,
So - enjoy the clues! (From Pervinca, your setter).

( * Well, future Thain).
(** Flag the second).
(*** Flag the third).

THEME: THE BBC 'LORD OF THE RINGS' RADIO DRAMATISATION.

[Urwen]

23. Matthew Vine (contains MAVEN).

[Urwen]

2. Ian Holm (sounds like 'in home')

[Urwen]

7. Hugh Dickson (Behenna).

[Pervinca Took]

MICHAEL HORDERN (Gandalf): The first – an archangel – who’s guarding a vase?
IAN HOLM (Frodo): The second – spends more than an age at his house?
CHRISTOPHER FAIRBANK (Shagrat): The third graced our screens in ‘Auf Wiedersehen, Pet!’
ROBERT STEPHENS (Aragorn): The fourth was a Prince on a Veronese set.
O: The fifth, though no hobbit, loves victuals and drink,
PAULINE LETTS (Ioreth): The sixth – Walford matriarch allows us – I think!
HUGH DICKSON (Elrond): The seventh played quack to Ross Poldark’s old flame -
JOHN MCANDREW (Pippin): The eighth, (flag the second), definitive Thain!*
LEONARD FENTON (Daddy Twofoot): The ninth, (flag the fourth), a Walfordian quack -
ELIN JENKINS (Eowyn): The tenth – Tucker’s sister? (Once a river flows back).
S: In eleven, a saint meets a foundling most poor -

WILLIAM NIGHY (Sam): In twelve, it seems Shakespeare’s nearby, but wherefore? **
ANREW SEEAR (Faramir): Thirteen is a saint, and a visionary too, **

MARION DIAMOND (Galadriel): Fourteen is a maid, and a gemstone most true.
?I: Fifteen: Eighties game, plus a bounder and measure, **
DAVID COLLINGS (Legolas): Sixteen plays the son of an elf who loves treasure.
DOUGLAS LIVINGSTONE (Gimli): For seventeen, no spade? Petrified, but not dead!
JENNY LEE (Shelob): Eighteen, (flag the sixth), Attercop! Poison-head!
ELIZABETH PARKER (Radiophonic Sound): The nineteenth, twice queenly, a pen or car-stopper?
-
?E: With twenty as glue, the tale won’t come a cropper! **
ANTHONY HYDE (Eomer): Twenty-one is no Jekyll. On horseback he jogs,
RICHARD O'CALLAGHAN (Merry): Twenty-two steers a barge, or plays fair Lewis Boggs!
??T: This sibilant genius is our twenty-three - ***
HARRY HOLM (Elanor): Two dozen! - a Potter, and Old English sea!

The whole means a drama, of quality rare,
Where thesps and their ilk show considerable flair!
I left out the ‘sounds likes’ to make it flow better,
So - enjoy the clues! (From Pervinca, your setter).

( * Well, future Thain).
(** Flag the second).
(*** Flag the third).

THEME: THE BBC 'LORD OF THE RINGS' RADIO DRAMATISATION.

No to Matthew Vine.

I hadn't heard of a foundling named Thorne.

Think of a Dickensian foundling.

[Urwen]

5. Oz Clarke (The only actor with initial 'O' I could find).

[Urwen]

Well, this is where my creative mind fails me.

[Urwen]

I see you didn't notice this:


https://books.google.rs/books?id=I_lcDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA8&lpg=PA8&dq=thorne+orphan&source=bl&ots=t_rpJBHmg8&sig=ACfU3U1oMhegC31_iDqoCzmi9dDR_BeHpA&hl=sr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiunp-p5_nnAhVyCWMBHWt4BW4Q6AEwDHoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=thorne%20orphan&f=false


^That?

[Urwen]

15. Simon Cadell (Simon from 'Simon says' + Cad + Ell)

[Pervinca Took]

I see you didn't notice this:

See notes below the password in my last post. Stephen Thorne played Treebeard, but he isn't the answer. I'd never even heard of a foundling named Thorne until you posted that link.

EDIT: I'd forgotten about Simon Says! I was referring to an electronic memory game with four different coloured lights that flashed, (each played a different note, too). You had to repeat the sequence that Simon played exactly, or he/it made a rude noise at you

I am re-watching the hilarious 80's dramatisation of Tom Sharpe's 'Blott on the Landscape.' Simon Cadell is wonderful in it. He died tragically young. :( Celeborn in the BBC LOTR, but probably best known for playing Geoffrey Fairbrother in the holiday camp sitcom 'Hi De Hi.'

[Urwen]

There is Oliver Twist, but there is no 'Thorne' there.....

[Urwen]

Ah. Stephen Oliver.

[Pervinca Took]

MICHAEL HORDERN (Gandalf): The first – an archangel – who’s guarding a vase?
IAN HOLM (Frodo): The second – spends more than an age at his house?
CHRISTOPHER FAIRBANK (Shagrat): The third graced our screens in ‘Auf Wiedersehen, Pet!’
ROBERT STEPHENS (Aragorn): The fourth was a Prince on a Veronese set.
OZ CLARKE (Singer): The fifth, though no hobbit, loves victuals and drink,
PAULINE LETTS (Ioreth): The sixth – Walford matriarch allows us – I think!
HUGH DICKSON (Elrond): The seventh played quack to Ross Poldark’s old flame -
JOHN MCANDREW (Pippin): The eighth, (flag the second), definitive Thain!*
LEONARD FENTON (Daddy Twofoot): The ninth, (flag the fourth), a Walfordian quack -
ELIN JENKINS (Eowyn): The tenth – Tucker’s sister? (Once a river flows back).
STEPHEN OLIVER (Music): In eleven, a saint meets a foundling most poor -

WILLIAM NIGHY (Sam): In twelve, it seems Shakespeare’s nearby, but wherefore? **
ANDREW SEEAR (Faramir): Thirteen is a saint, and a visionary too, **

MARION DIAMOND (Galadriel): Fourteen is a maid, and a gemstone most true.
SIMON CADELL (Celeborn): Fifteen: Eighties game, plus a bounder and measure, **
DAVID COLLINGS (Legolas): Sixteen plays the son of an elf who loves treasure.
DOUGLAS LIVINGSTONE (Gimli): For seventeen, no spade? Petrified, but not dead!
JENNY LEE (Shelob): Eighteen, (flag the sixth), Attercop! Poison-head!
ELIZABETH PARKER (Radiophonic Sound): The nineteenth, twice queenly, a pen or car-stopper?
-
GERARD MURPHY (Narrator): With twenty as glue, the tale won’t come a cropper! **
ANTHONY HYDE (Eomer): Twenty-one is no Jekyll. On horseback he jogs,
RICHARD O'CALLAGHAN (Merry): Twenty-two steers a barge, or plays fair Lewis Boggs!
??T: This sibilant genius is our twenty-three - ***
HARRY HOLM (Elanor): Two dozen! - a Potter, and Old English sea!

The whole means a drama, of quality rare,
Where thesps and their ilk show considerable flair!
I left out the ‘sounds likes’ to make it flow better,
So - enjoy the clues! (From Pervinca, your setter).

( * Well, future Thain).
(** Flag the second).
(*** Flag the third).

THEME: THE BBC 'LORD OF THE RINGS' RADIO DRAMATISATION.

Oz Clarke now presents a programme called 'Food and Drink.' At least, when I say 'now,' I mean the last I heard, he was still the host and the programme was still running.

Two to go!

EDIT: One to go now!

[Urwen]

20. Gerard Murphy?
23. Peter Howell?

[Urwen]

They are Pinky and the Brain, (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzZmU0aGmcc)
Yes, Pinky and the Brain (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzZmU0aGmcc)
One is a genius (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzZmU0aGmcc)
The other's insane. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzZmU0aGmcc)

[Pervinca Took]

They are Pinky and the Brain, (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzZmU0aGmcc)
Yes, Pinky and the Brain (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzZmU0aGmcc)
One is a genius (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzZmU0aGmcc)
The other's insane. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzZmU0aGmcc)

?

Gerard Murphy is correct.

Peter Howell is not.

[Urwen]

Making a joke.....

Why can't you people understand a joke? D: :(

[Pervinca Took]

I do understand jokes, when I understand their context! Just asking you to explain the connection, that's all.

Ah.

The remaining answer is the sibilant genius.

[Urwen]

I am left with Peter Vaughan, Peter Woodthorpe, Patrick Barr and Kathryn Hurlbutt....


And out of them, Peter Vaughan fits best.

[Pervinca Took]

Peter Vaughan was Denethor.

Peter Howell was Saruman.

I think Kathryn Hurlbutt was Rose.

I can't remember who Patrick Barr was, but he isn't the answer either.

None of those characters are known for being sibilant. ;)

[Pervinca Took]

MICHAEL HORDERN (Gandalf): The first – an archangel – who’s guarding a vase?
IAN HOLM (Frodo): The second – spends more than an age at his house?
CHRISTOPHER FAIRBANK (Shagrat): The third graced our screens in ‘Auf Wiedersehen, Pet!’
ROBERT STEPHENS (Aragorn): The fourth was a Prince on a Veronese set.
OZ CLARKE (Singer): The fifth, though no hobbit, loves victuals and drink,
PAULINE LETTS (Ioreth): The sixth – Walford matriarch allows us – I think!
HUGH DICKSON (Elrond): The seventh played quack to Ross Poldark’s old flame -
JOHN MCANDREW (Pippin): The eighth, (flag the second), definitive Thain! *
LEONARD FENTON (Daddy Twofoot): The ninth, (flag the fourth), a Walfordian quack -
ELIN JENKINS (Eowyn): The tenth – Tucker’s sister? (Once a river flows back).
STEPHEN OLIVER (Music): In eleven, a saint meets a foundling most poor -

WILLIAM NIGHY (Sam): In twelve, it seems Shakespeare’s nearby, but wherefore? **
ANDREW SEEAR (Faramir): Thirteen is a saint, and a visionary too, **

MARION DIAMOND (Galadriel): Fourteen is a maid, and a gemstone most true.
SIMON CADELL (Celeborn): Fifteen: Eighties game, plus a bounder and measure, **
DAVID COLLINGS (Legolas): Sixteen plays the son of an elf who loves treasure.
DOUGLAS LIVINGSTONE (Gimli): For seventeen, no spade? Petrified, but not dead!
JENNY LEE (Shelob): Eighteen, (flag the sixth), Attercop! Poison-head!
ELIZABETH PARKER (Radiophonic Sound): The nineteenth, twice queenly, a pen or car-stopper?
-
GERARD MURPHY (Narrator): With twenty as glue, the tale won’t come a cropper! **
ANTHONY HYDE (Eomer): Twenty-one is no Jekyll. On horseback he jogs,
RICHARD O'CALLAGHAN (Merry): Twenty-two steers a barge, or plays fair Lewis Boggs!
PETER WOODTHORPE (Gollum): This sibilant genius is our twenty-three - ***
HARRY HOLM (Elanor): Two dozen! - a Potter, and Old English sea!

The whole means a drama, of quality rare,
Where thesps and their ilk show considerable flair!
I left out the ‘sounds likes’ to make it flow better,
So - enjoy the clues! (From Pervinca, your setter).

( * Well, future Thain).
(** Flag the second).
(*** Flag the third).

THEME: THE BBC 'LORD OF THE RINGS' RADIO DRAMATISATION.

But Gollum is. :)

I didn't see the late, great Peter Woodthorpe in your list at first.

Well done! Over to you.

[Urwen]

Well, I wanted to do this theme for a long time, but only the recent discovery enabled me to do it. Hope you like the password and the theme I came up with. :D

1. Mix a sweet treat for him.
2. A temporary police force without a head reveals him.
3. A confused watcher, with a note in the middle? For him.
4. Chinese tree fruit is spun for him.
5. Twist the fish eggs for him.
6. Initially, Game of Thrones. A broken unit? Note it for him.

[Galadriel55]

Well, I wanted to do this theme for a long time, but only the recent discovery enabled me to do it. Hope you like the password and the theme I came up with. :D

Is it Morleg? :p



6. Gothmog? GOT + ? + G the note

[Urwen]

Is it Morleg? :p


No, Morleg is not the theme.

M
O
R
L
E
GOTHMOG

The password, on the other hand.... :smokin:
P.S: Don't tell Huey who Morleg is. I want to see him sweat for a while.

[Pervinca Took]

Morleg is clearly Shelob in mutated form, with even more legs. Or a cross between Shelob and that Greek Hydra thing.

[Urwen]

Morleg is clearly Shelob in mutated form, with even more legs. Or a cross between Shelob and that Greek Hydra thing.

Wrong, Morleg is a wolf. Awoo!

[Pervinca Took]

Yes, but he's more of a leg wolf than a breast wolf. (Prefers the legs of his prey/chickens to the breast meat).

[Urwen]

Yes, but he's more of a leg wolf than a breast wolf. (Prefers the legs of his prey/chickens to the breast meat).

Oh, you have no idea, heh. Trust me on this one. Morleg is as Morleg does, and Morleg is on fire.

Also, won't you try figuring out the rest of the clues?

[Pervinca Took]

I've tried! I'll have another look.

Seriously, though, I googled Morleg and found out what it is ... are you still keeping it from Huey?

What's frustrating is ... like all hobbits, I love my food, but I can't find a single sweet or dessert or syrup that scrambles to give a Tolkien name beginning with M.

There's MAJ from JAM, but that's rather informal for an elvish or otherwise Tolkienian monarch.

[Urwen]

I've tried! I'll have another look.

Seriously, though, I googled Morleg and found out what it is ... are you still keeping it from Huey?

What's frustrating is ... like all hobbits, I love my food, but I can't find a single sweet or dessert or syrup that scrambles to give a Tolkien name beginning with M.

There's MAJ from JAM, but that's rather informal for an elvish or otherwise Tolkienian monarch.

No, not anymore. I decided that I will keep it from him until this morn, and now is the morn.

A little help: Morleg isn't the only discarded name is this set. There are two others. One is a scramble of 'cream' and the other is Morleg's adar.

[Pervinca Took]

I've just tried scrambling ICE cream with no Tolkienian result.

Cream? Macre? Armec?

[Urwen]

No, but your second guess is the closest.

Let me take is a step further and say that it's a discarded name of a certain title character.

[Pervinca Took]

The only *named* title characters (of the Middle-earth books, at any rate) are Turin, Beren and Luthien, I think.

I can't remember any of their discarded names, except Melilot for Luthien ... and the answer is male.

Turin seems the most likely ... wonder if he has a discarded name on top of all his others.

[Urwen]

The only *named* title characters (of the Middle-earth books, at any rate) are Turin, Beren and Luthien, I think.

I can't remember any of their discarded names, except Melilot for Luthien ... and the answer is male.

Turin seems the most likely ... wonder if he has a discarded name on top of all his others.


They're not the ONLY named title characters. You're too focused on Silm tales, methinks.

[Pervinca Took]

Sauron and Bilbo are referred to, but not named.

[Urwen]

If they weren't named, then how are their names known?

[Pervinca Took]

References or titles.

'The Hobbit.'

'The Lord Of The Rings.'

I suppose 'Morgoth's Ring' might prove your point. Not sure whether that is First Age or not.

[Urwen]

No. What I meant, is if they're only known by their titles, then how do we know their names are Bilbo and Sauron?

[Huinesoron]

A little help: Morleg isn't the only discarded name is this set. There are two others. One is a scramble of 'cream' and the other is Morleg's adar.

How in the world did you find an alternate name for Eol? The only one I spotted was in a very early note where he was mentioned as 'Eol (Alvar)' or something like it, which I think might actually be a form of 'Avari' instead.

I mean, I know Tolkien's gonna Tolkien, hence how the change Meglin > Maeglin somehow went through 'Morleg', but Eol seems pretty fixed.

Anyhow, a temporary police force is probably a posse, which makes #2 OSSE.

Fish eggs... can't be caviar, because no E, but could be roe. Which... well, EOR could be an old Tolkien name for someone, and from what you've said would have to have been a passing name for Eol? Sounds more like a donkey, though.

hS

[Urwen]

The same way I found Morleg: Notion club archives.

[Urwen]

marec
osse
r
l
eor
gothmog

[Pervinca Took]

Marec?

[Urwen]

marec
osse
r
l
eor
gothmog

[Urwen]

Why is rendering my password in lower caps when I typed it in all caps? :confused:

[Pervinca Took]

Why is rendering my password in lower caps when I typed it in all caps? :confused:

It does that to me sometimes, although it hasn't for a while.

Was Marec nearly Sauron's name, then?

And can the clues be pasted under the password, so we don't have to scroll up for them?

[Urwen]

MAREC: Mix a sweet treat for him.
OSSE: A temporary police force without a head reveals him.
R: A confused watcher, with a note in the middle? For him.
L: Chinese tree fruit is spun for him.
EOR: Twist the fish eggs for him.
GOTHMOG: Initially, Game of Thrones. A broken unit? Note it for him.

Ah, I see. It did that because it was missing the clues.

[Huinesoron]

So I think Marec's ultimate source is MERP: Gorgoroth (https://thetrove.net/Books/MERP%20-%20Middle-Earth%20Role%20Playing/1st%20Edition/Campaigns/ICE3112%20Gorgoroth%5BOCR%5D.pdf). The name appears three times in there, as a name for Sauron - but specifically a 'Donaen' name for him. The 'Donaen' are described as living in the foothills of the Ash Mountains (I think), and, well:

Many native human tribes live in the hills. They belong to a
people known as the Donaen, a minor ethnic group in the huge Gondorian empire, descendants of the Daen Coentis that migrated westwards a long time ago.

Just how far Iron Crown varied from Tolkien's works can be seen in this quote, from a character of the Donaen:

Effem dislikes the Gondorians whom he sees as foreign invaders that have come to seize the land and westernize its inhabitants. He is not particularily religious, but knows Durnu (Do. "Dark Mother"), the true ruler of his people, is more than just an abstract concept. The Dark Mother's herald, Marec, makes his home in Mordor, and the Donaen have been living on his grace since early in the Second Age. Thus, Effem supports the traditional religion, even though he tries to minimize sacrifices, since he sees them as a waste of resources.

There might be a Tolkien source for the name 'Marec', but I'm inclined to doubt it.

... that said, I've used multiple names from the apocrypha in puzzles before now, so this isn't a complaint. :)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

L:

LANGON, from the Chinese fruit 'longan.'