Password

[Urwen]

Regarding 5, there are no Orcish prepositions.

[Pervinca Took]

There is one. I've used it here before, but long, long ago.

[Urwen]

Is it Ithilien (Ithi+lien)?

[Galadriel55]

2. Oliphaunt, from O (zero) + lip (sort of edge) + haunt (hang-out)

And thus Book VI for the password?

[Pervinca Took]

Is it Ithilien (Ithi+lien)?

Yes. One can extrapolate that 'ishi' means 'in' from 'agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.'

[Pervinca Took]

2. Oliphaunt, from O (zero) + lip (sort of edge) + haunt (hang-out)

And thus Book VI for the password?

Nearly ... nearly ...

(Yes to OLIPHAUNT).

[Pervinca Took]

BURDEN: It drags the bearer earthwards.
OLIPHAUNT: Zero edge to this hang-out! But it’s colossal.
OSGILIATH: Within a vow are mingled a note, two ways and two eyes, we hear? There!
4. A Fallohide shows it to a Stoor.
5. Here! Lisp an orcish preposition, and add a legal property right!
6. May they redirect a mumak!

I think Tolkien used 'lip' in that sense: 'the lip of the dell,' or something.

[Urwen]

You forgot 'Ithilien'.

[Urwen]

Book IV for the password?

[Pervinca Took]

BURDEN: It drags the bearer earthwards.
OLIPHAUNT: Zero edge to this hang-out! But it’s colossal.
OSGILIATH: Within a vow are mingled a note, two ways and two eyes, we hear? There!
K: A Fallohide shows it to a Stoor.

ITHILIEN: Here! Lisp an orcish preposition, and add a legal property right!
V: May they redirect a mumak!

Yes. I think that's what Galadriel meant, too. BOOK VI was my last one. ;)

[Galadriel55]

Yes. I think that's what Galadriel meant, too. BOOK VI was my last one. ;)

Lol. No Oliphaunts in Book VI, except the ones Sam regrets not seeing. :D

[Galadriel55]

V for Valar then! See Mablung / Damrod's (forget which one actually said it) prayer-like exclamation when they guard Frodo and Sam.

[Pervinca Took]

Lol. No Oliphaunts in Book VI, except the ones Sam regrets not seeing. :D

Easy to make typos with Roman numerals. ;)

[Pervinca Took]

V for Valar then! See Mablung / Damrod's (forget which one actually said it) prayer-like exclamation when they guard Frodo and Sam.

'Mumak! Mumak! May the Valar turn him aside!'

(I guess lady oliphaunts didn't go to war?) :D Or maybe he was referring to the rider.

[Pervinca Took]

BURDEN: It drags the bearer earthwards.
OLIPHAUNT: Zero edge to this hang-out! But it’s colossal.
OSGILIATH: Within a vow are mingled a note, two ways and two eyes, we hear? There!
K: A Fallohide shows it to a Stoor.

ITHILIEN: Here! Lisp an orcish preposition, and add a legal property right!
VALAR: May they redirect a mumak!

[Urwen]

So which of us gets the next turn? :p

[Galadriel55]

So which of us gets the next turn? :p

You can have it, you got the right book. ;)

[Pervinca Took]

One clue to go first, though! ;)

[Urwen]

Knife for the last one? (Is Frodo a Fallohide?)

[Pervinca Took]

Knife for the last one? (Is Frodo a Fallohide?)

Ooohhh, that's a good one!

However, right Fallohide, right Stoor, wrong thing.

(Frodo has Fallohide blood, yes. Hence his physical appearance and adventurous nature. And skill with languages and speech. He would presumably also have some Harfoot traits from his Baggins father, though, like Bilbo had).

[Galadriel55]

I hope it's not knuckles! :D

[Urwen]

King's head?

[Pervinca Took]

BURDEN: It drags the bearer earthwards.
OLIPHAUNT: Zero edge to this hang-out! But it’s colossal.
OSGILIATH: Within a vow are mingled a note, two ways and two eyes, we hear? There!
K: A Fallohide shows it to a Stoor.

ITHILIEN: Here! Lisp an orcish preposition, and add a legal property right!
VALAR: May they redirect a mumak!

Although I don't think Frodo specifically shows Gollum the severed head of the king's statue, that is an absolutely FANTASTIC answer, Urwen!

'Knuckles' is a good 'un 'an all.

But the answer is about as opposite to 'knife' or 'knuckles' as you could get.

Because the intent is the polar opposite of what it would (at least apparently) be with 'knife' or 'knuckles.'

I chose this K word partly because the K can give away 'book' passwords like this very quickly. But it's not obscure.

As a hint, it involves a mistake that Sam made about Frodo. ;)

[Urwen]

Ah. Kindness?

[Pervinca Took]

BURDEN: It drags the bearer earthwards.
OLIPHAUNT: Zero edge to this hang-out! But it’s colossal.
OSGILIATH: Within a vow are mingled a note, two ways and two eyes, we hear? There!
KINDNESS: A Fallohide shows it to a Stoor.

ITHILIEN: Here! Lisp an orcish preposition, and add a legal property right!
VALAR: May they redirect a mumak!

Kindness it is!

Over to you. :)

[Urwen]

A Fallohide, a Harfoot and a Stoor walk into the bar...

(Will post the new puzzle at some point tomorrow.)

[Pervinca Took]

A Fallohide, a Harfoot and a Stoor walk into the bar...

(Will post the new puzzle at some point tomorrow.)

The first two order pints of bitter. Smeagol orders a pint of jellied eels ....

[Urwen]

Here it is. Hope you like it. :)

1. A steward and burner's grandfather.
2. A steward and one of four with the same name.
3. A protagonist by another name.
4. Bregalad loved them.
5. A secret held a secret; one of two (former) buddies.
6. Her name is what she is.
7. Faithful (?); one of two (former) buddies.
8. A councillor restores, with minor disturbance and loss of path.

Some of the answers are....not what you'd expect. ;)

[Pervinca Took]

If it's the steward and burner I expect, number one should be TURGON, who begat Ecthelion II, who begat Denethor II.

Although I suppose a Balrog is kind of steward of Moria for a while. I don't know about any fiery little grandchildren, though. :D

[Urwen]

TURGON: A steward and burner's grandfather.
2. A steward and one of four with the same name.
3. A protagonist by another name.
4. Bregalad loved them.
5. A secret held a secret; one of two (former) buddies.
6. Her name is what she is.
7. Faithful (?); one of two (former) buddies.
8. A councillor restores, with minor disturbance and loss of path.

[Pervinca Took]

4. Strawberry cornettos. :D

Or maybe ROWANS?

[Urwen]

TURGON: A steward and burner's grandfather.
2. A steward and one of four with the same name.
3. A protagonist by another name.
ROWAN TREES: Bregalad loved them.
5. A secret held a secret; one of two (former) buddies.
6. Her name is what she is.
7. Faithful (?); one of two (former) buddies.
8. A councillor restores, with minor disturbance and loss of path.

[Pervinca Took]

6. Niniel?

[Urwen]

Nope.

[Pervinca Took]

2. Hurin?

3. Ereinion?

6. Lalaith?

[Urwen]

Yes to Hurin, no to other two.

[Urwen]

TURGON: A steward and burner's grandfather.
HURIN: A steward and one of four with the same name.
3. A protagonist by another name.
ROWAN TREES: Bregalad loved them.
5. A secret held a secret; one of two (former) buddies.
6. Her name is what she is.
7. Faithful (?); one of two (former) buddies.
8. A councillor restores, with minor disturbance and loss of path.

[Galadriel55]

8. Erestor?

[Urwen]

TURGON: A steward and burner's grandfather.
HURIN: A steward and one of four with the same name.
3. A protagonist by another name.
ROWAN TREES: Bregalad loved them.
5. A secret held a secret; one of two (former) buddies.
6. Her name is what she is.
7. Faithful (?); one of two (former) buddies.
ERESTOR: A councillor restores, with minor disturbance and loss of path.

[Pervinca Took]

6. Ar-Feiniel?

7. Voronwe?

[Urwen]

No. -_-

Forget about Silmarillion characters, they don't fit this theme.

[Pervinca Took]

OK ...

Well, Arwen means 'noble maiden,' or Undomiel means Evenstar.

[Galadriel55]

I have a feeling one of the former buddies pairs is Deagol/Smeagol, but I can't make it work.

[Pervinca Took]

3. Estel?

[Urwen]

TURGON: A steward and burner's grandfather.
HURIN: A steward and one of four with the same name.
3. A protagonist by another name.
ROWAN TREES: Bregalad loved them.
5. A secret held a secret; one of two (former) buddies.
ARWEN: Her name is what she is.
7. Faithful (?); one of two (former) buddies.
ERESTOR: A councillor restores, with minor disturbance and loss of path.

Estel is incorrect. I know for a fact that you like this particular protagonist a lot, Pervinca. In fact, I am surprised you haven't guessed him yet.

[Pervinca Took]

I just thought the password started with the word 'the.' ;)

IORHAEL, then?

Oh! THIRD AGE (password).

And maybe DEAGOL, as Galadriel thought? Is the secret the Ring?

Maybe the secret (Ring) also held the secret of Deagol's murder?

[Urwen]

Urwen just nodded.

[Urwen]

TURGON: A steward and burner's grandfather.
HURIN: A steward and one of four with the same name.
IORHAEL: A protagonist by another name.
ROWAN TREES: Bregalad loved them.
DEAGOL: A secret held a secret; one of two (former) buddies.
ARWEN: Her name is what she is.
G: Faithful (?); one of two (former) buddies.
ERESTOR: A councillor restores, with minor disturbance and loss of path.

[Urwen]

One more to go.

[Pervinca Took]

Gollum ... if the ? is enough to negate 'faithful.'

[Urwen]

TURGON: A steward and burner's grandfather.
HURIN: A steward and one of four with the same name.
IORHAEL: A protagonist by another name.
ROWAN TREES: Bregalad loved them.
DEAGOL: A secret held a secret; one of two (former) buddies.
ARWEN: Her name is what she is.
GOLLUM: Faithful (?); one of two (former) buddies.
ERESTOR: A councillor restores, with minor disturbance and loss of path.

And over to you. You've earned it.

[Pervinca Took]

Thank you! Here's another. Excuse me if I am not able to put in numbers and highlight codes straight away - got a deadline looming.

1. He’s a confused little creature!
2. Land of the vanished portal, they say. Take the second.
3. Here find a mountain ash, hollowed in the centre, where heartsease starts to grow. And take the second again.
4. A halfling? Not he of the rhyme, but one of his ….
5. Tumladen, Lossarnach, Ringlo, Blackroot, Anduin, Morgul.

[Urwen]

2. Gondor (Gone door)

[Urwen]

5. Vale?

[Urwen]

Password: Book V?

[Pervinca Took]

B: He’s a confused little creature!
GONDOR: Land of the vanished portal, they say. Take the second.
-O: Here find a mountain ash, hollowed in the centre, where heartsease starts to grow. And take the second again.
K: A halfling? Not he of the rhyme, but one of his ….

VALES: Tumladen, Lossarnach, Ringlo, Blackroot, Anduin, Morgul.

[Urwen]

4. Kin?

[Pervinca Took]

B: He’s a confused little creature!
GONDOR: Land of the vanished portal, they say. Take the second.
-O: Here find a mountain ash, hollowed in the centre, where heartsease starts to grow. And take the second again.
KINDRED: A halfling? Not he of the rhyme, but one of his ….

VALES: Tumladen, Lossarnach, Ringlo, Blackroot, Anduin, Morgul.

Near enough. I think the text says 'near kindred' or 'close kindred.' (Gandalf to Denethor).

[Urwen]

Gorgoroth for 3?

[Huinesoron]

#3: A mountain ash is a Rowan (one of my favourite trees!), and 'hollowed in the centre' points towards ROHAN. I forget whose heartsease grew there - context suggests Merry?

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Gorgoroth for 3?

Ah, no. You've taken an interesting, literal approach to the clue. A bit like Sam's Ring-vision in the Rankin-Bass ROTK! :D But subtler. I like the images it gave me. Mountains of ash, but with with vegetation struggling to thrive.

The clue is a cryptic one. Not a difficult one, though.

[Pervinca Took]

B: He’s a confused little creature!
GONDOR: Land of the vanished portal, they say. Take the second.
ROHAN: Here find a mountain ash, hollowed in the centre, where heartsease starts to grow. And take the second again.
KINDRED: A halfling? Not he of the rhyme, but one of his ….

VALES: Tumladen, Lossarnach, Ringlo, Blackroot, Anduin, Morgul.

It's a cryptic element. You just need the word 'heartsease' to start growing at the heart of the 'hollowed' rowan, so you just take the H.

(Sorry Huinesoron - did not see your post at first, as a new page began).

[Urwen]

Then why did you reveal it so soon?

[Pervinca Took]

Then why did you reveal it so soon?

Because Huey had guessed it. See the last post on the last page. I didn't see it at first, because your Gorgoroth post had started a new page.

[Pervinca Took]

Here:

#3: A mountain ash is a Rowan (one of my favourite trees!), and 'hollowed in the centre' points towards ROHAN. I forget whose heartsease grew there - context suggests Merry?

hS

[Urwen]

The last one could be Bergil (confused gerbil)

[Huinesoron]

The last one could be Bergil (confused gerbil)

Gerbil! Nice. I was thinking Bergil, but the only small animals I could think of were bugs and birds. "Brid? Maybe someone from Rohan?" My brain is not good with anagrams...

hS

[Pervinca Took]

BERGIL: He’s a confused little creature!
GONDOR: Land of the vanished portal, they say. Take the second.
ROHAN: Here find a mountain ash, hollowed in the centre, where heartsease starts to grow. And take the second again.
KINDRED: A halfling? Not he of the rhyme, but one of his ….

VALES: Tumladen, Lossarnach, Ringlo, Blackroot, Anduin, Morgul.

Brid is an Irish name. I remember an actress called Brid Brennan.

But Bergil the Gerbil is our man (boy). Bet he got teased. No wonder he's so anxious to tell Pippin how tall he is!

And now, over to Urwen!

[Urwen]

Well, I am running out of cryptic elements I can use without repetitions, so have a non-cryptic puzzle.

1. Unfaithful. Paid the price.
2. A leap of fate.
3. One of the three known individuals to do this.
4. Betrayed by a living object.
5. A fallen one with a funny name.
6. Strangled by the second.
7. Shared a part of the birth name with a member of a different race.
8. When the living flame died out.
9. When you and your opponents kill each other off.
10. She got 'iced'.
11. Avoid pointy things at all costs.
12. Your house was blown down, literally.
13. Beware corrupted troops.
14. The chase was on; tragedy (or not)?

[Pervinca Took]

10. Poor Elenwe?

5. Lalaith, fallen from the plague, meaning laughter? (I don't think this one is right, but worth a shot).

13. Oathbreakers of Dunharrow?

[Huinesoron]

#14: Whatsisname that Turin accidentally killed. Saeros? Or is that someone from Dor-lomin? I know it's not Salgant, but I'm sure it starts with an S.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

#14: Whatsisname that Turin accidentally killed. Saeros? Or is that someone from Dor-lomin? I know it's not Salgant, but I'm sure it starts with an S.

hS

It's definitely Saeros.

[Urwen]

1. Unfaithful. Paid the price.
2. A leap of fate.
3. One of the three known individuals to do this.
4. Betrayed by a living object.
5. A fallen one with a funny name.
6. Strangled by the second.
LALAITH: Shared a part of the birth name with a member of a different race.
8. When the living flame died out.
9. When you and your opponents kill each other off.
ELENWE: She got 'iced'.
11. Avoid pointy things at all costs.
12. Your house was blown down, literally.
13. Beware corrupted troops.
SAEROS: The chase was on; tragedy (or not)?

[Pervinca Took]

Is the password UNTIMELY DEATHS?

And 2 Nienor or Niniel?

And 4 Isildur, betrayed by the Ring to his death?

[Urwen]

U: Unfaithful. Paid the price.
NIENOR: A leap of fate.
T: One of the three known individuals to do this.
ISILDUR: Betrayed by a living object.
M: A fallen one with a funny name.
E: Strangled by the second.
LALAITH: Shared a part of the birth name with a member of a different race.
Y: When the living flame died out.

D: When you and your opponents kill each other off.
ELENWE: She got 'iced'.
A: Avoid pointy things at all costs.
T: Your house was blown down, literally.
H: Beware corrupted troops.
SAEROS: The chase was on; tragedy (or not)?

[Huinesoron]

Could the first T be Turin, with 'this' being suicide? The other two being... Nienor and Aredhel, maybe?

Speaking of the White Lady, could Aredhel Ar-Feiniel, who notably did not avoid a pointy thing, be A?

hS

[Pervinca Took]

I scored a fluke there, Urwen. Lalaith was my guess for number 5. Unless those clues are the wrong way round? Is there another Lalaith?

The reason I guessed so quickly was because I once used exactly the same password myself. Great minds think alike, eh? ;)

The javelin clue is brilliant - I couldn't figure what the pointy thing was at all!

[Pervinca Took]

Could the first T be Turin, with 'this' being suicide? The other two being... Nienor and Aredhel, maybe?

Speaking of the White Lady, could Aredhel Ar-Feiniel, who notably did not avoid a pointy thing, be A?

hS

Don't forget Denethor - is it suicide in that sense if it's to save another?

Also, is Miriel 's death a suicide?

U - ULFANG, who betrayed the sons of Feanor?

And is M MORLEG?

[Urwen]

@Huey Nienor and Maedhros, actually.
@Pervinca Lalaith doesn't start with M....

[Urwen]

ULFANG: Unfaithful. Paid the price.
NIENOR: A leap of fate.
TURIN: One of the three known individuals to do this.
ISILDUR: Betrayed by a living object.
MORLEG: A fallen one with a funny name.
E: Strangled by the second.
LALAITH: Shared a part of the birth name with a member of a different race.
Y: When the living flame died out.

D: When you and your opponents kill each other off.
ELENWE: She got 'iced'.
AREDHEL: Avoid pointy things at all costs.
T: Your house was blown down, literally.
H: Beware corrupted troops.
SAEROS: The chase was on; tragedy (or not)?

[Galadriel55]

Urwen, a reminder to post / vote in the WW game! Day 1 is almost done!

[Urwen]

Urwen, a reminder to post / vote in the WW game! Day 1 is almost done!


Well, considering you too don't play the game sometimes, I believe it's well within my rights not to play the game either. So quit badgering me, I do what I want, even if it inconveniences other people.


(That's you, btw. That's what you said in a nutshell.)

[Pervinca Took]

Urwen, who does Lalaith share a name with? Do you mean yourself? I know she shares it with a nearby stream or something, but I can't think of another character with that name.

Ah, there's a Werewolf game on? I thought the Password thread was a bit quiet! ;)

[Urwen]

She doesn't share a name with anyone, but rather a part of her birth name, not the whole name. If it makes sense.

[Pervinca Took]

She shares the last syllable, the 'maiden' suffix 'wen,' with lots of characters, one of them being the half-elven Arwen.

[Urwen]

Yeah, and Morwen and Nerwen as well. And she shares the first syllable of her name with Feanor. (Ur meaning fire/flame).

[Urwen]

Now I believe there are still some clues left that need solving.

[Urwen]

Don't forget Denethor - is it suicide in that sense if it's to save another?


I'm also curious what you mean by this, as Denethor didn't try to save anyone - quite the opposite in fact.

[Galadriel55]

Well, considering you too don't play the game sometimes, I believe it's well within my rights not to play the game either. So quit badgering me, I do what I want, even if it inconveniences other people.

Sure, you're just gonna be mod-fired from the game for non-participation. By all means. But you're welcome for the reminder, so you don't have to be kicked out. *shrug*


Is E - Ecthelion?

[Urwen]

Wouldn't it be nice if people were no longer allowed to participate in the quiz room if they didn't participate in one of the games there for more than a month? :cool:

[Galadriel55]

Wouldn't it be nice if people were no longer allowed to participate in the quiz room if they didn't participate in one of the games there for more than a month? :cool:

You wish. Except those are the rules when you sign up for a WW game, and not the rules when you choose to participate in Quiz games. Don't like it, don't play. :smokin:


So is E Ecthelion?

[Urwen]

You wish. Except those are the rules when you sign up for a WW game, and not the rules when you choose to participate in Quiz games. Don't like it, don't play. :smokin:


So is E Ecthelion?

I will not answer that question. You don't wish to play and would rather let the games die than play. Fine. Don't play. But don't expect me to indulge you when you decide to pop in every once in a blue moon either.

Call me rude and whatever, but you're the one whose deadset on letting this thread and every other game in the Quiz Room die through lack of participation.

[Galadriel55]

I will not answer that question. You don't wish to play and would rather let the games die than play. Fine. Don't play. But don't expect me to indulge you when you decide to pop in every once in a blue moon either.

Call me rude and whatever, but you're the one whose deadset on letting this thread and every other game in the Quiz Room die through lack of participation.

In that case enjoy looking at your unsolved password. Again - *shrug*. You're just hurting yourself here.

[Urwen]

It's not Ecthelion.

[Pervinca Took]

Werewolf is different. It's in a different subforum and based around deadlines and different rules because that's how it works - with votes for who the werewolves are or something? And a compulsory vote every night? (As far as I can make out). It's a different beast (pun intended) and only works as a tight game, as far as I understand. Galadriel was posting a friendly reminder, not nagging.

I don't play Werewolf myself, because I tried it once and I simply couldn't get the hang of it. So I asked the mod to remove me about 1 day in.

[Urwen]

She was nagging. She plays the game once in a blue moon and is willing to let the quiz room die because she can't be bothered. Well, I can't be bothered to give her a response to her guess. Go ahead, castigate me for treating her like she treats me. I mean, if you're really okay with all the games in quiz room dying due to lack of participation, then okay...

Also could you answer this question please?

I'm also curious what you mean by this, as Denethor didn't try to save anyone - quite the opposite in fact.

[Pervinca Took]

I was referring to Aredhel. She was trying to save Maeglin. Huey had said there were 3 including Aredhel and didn't name Denethor. I meant Denethor was a suicide, but I didn't think Aredhel was.

And making the point that I do see Denethor as a suicide, but was questioning whether what Aredhel does is really suicide. Her motive is not self-slaughter, but saving her son.

[Urwen]

So condemn me for having the nerve to try to keep these games active instead of letting them die, as you all seem kosher with.

And I see. When I said 'three', I was referring to Turin, Nienor and Maedhros. Also, some would say that the world would be a better place if she let him die. I disagree with that notion, of course. :cool:

Now try solving the rest of the clues, please.

[Pervinca Took]

The only 'time or day' word beginning with G that I remember offhand is YESTARE.

I got round the Y clue by having The Party Tree and saying 'sevdn pushbacks' (like on game show The Chase) whdn I did 'Untimely Deaths' as a password. The only one I couldn't manage initial letter for.

[Urwen]

Actually, 'Year [insert number here]' is what you're looking for. It's when a certain someone danced with three Balrogs.

[Pervinca Took]

Actually, 'Year [insert number here]' is what you're looking for. It's when a certain someone danced with three Balrogs.

Did they indeed? The kinky devil.

[Urwen]

You are putting disturbing imagery in my head.

[Pervinca Took]

Well, you are a fire maiden!

Why the blazes (sic) did they name Urwen after fire, by the way?

[Urwen]

Well, you are a fire maiden!

Why the blazes (sic) did they name Urwen after fire, by the way?


Because they wanted her to have a connection with Feanor, duh. :cool:

[Pervinca Took]

Why would anyone want that? I mean, he may be a genius, but ....

[Urwen]

Why would anyone want that? I mean, he may be a genius, but ....


Because they're chummy with the Noldor, and he was the greatest among the Noldor.

[Huinesoron]

For the new page:

ULFANG: Unfaithful. Paid the price.
NIENOR: A leap of fate.
TURIN: One of the three known individuals to do this.
ISILDUR: Betrayed by a living object.
MORLEG: A fallen one with a funny name.
E: Strangled by the second.
LALAITH: Shared a part of the birth name with a member of a different race.
Y: When the living flame died out.

D: When you and your opponents kill each other off.
ELENWE: She got 'iced'.
AREDHEL: Avoid pointy things at all costs.
T: Your house was blown down, literally.
H: Beware corrupted troops.
SAEROS: The chase was on; tragedy (or not)?

'Corrupted troops' sounds like the Nirnaeth, with the unfaithful Easterlings. I don't think there were any H-names in that part of the battle, but HUOR died as a consequence, right?

'Strangled by the second' is an interesting turn of phrase; it could mean by the answer to the second clue (but that's Nienor, not noted for her assassin's ways), or by the Second Age, or 'second by second, s/he was more strangled', but that doesn't make sense.

Has anyone guessed TURGON for the house that got blown down (well, burned by dragons' breath)?

hS

[Urwen]

ULFANG: Unfaithful. Paid the price.
NIENOR: A leap of fate.
TURIN: One of the three known individuals to do this.
ISILDUR: Betrayed by a living object.
MORLEG: A fallen one with a funny name.
E: Strangled by the second.
LALAITH: Shared a part of the birth name with a member of a different race.
Y: When the living flame died out.

D: When you and your opponents kill each other off.
ELENWE: She got 'iced'.
AREDHEL: Avoid pointy things at all costs.
TURGON: Your house was blown down, literally.
H: Beware corrupted troops.
SAEROS: The chase was on; tragedy (or not)?


Well, Huor wasn't the one I had in mind; also 'second' means second Dark Lord.

[Pervinca Took]

Halbarad died young, and I guess the Oathbreakers of Dunharrow were corrupted when they broke their oaths.

[Urwen]

Nope.

[Pervinca Took]

I'd say Haldar, but not sure about the corrupted troops. Unless orcs count as long-corrupted elves.

[Urwen]

I'd say Haldar, but not sure about the corrupted troops. Unless orcs count as long-corrupted elves.


Yes, they are. But I meant someone else, someone with one/two letters away from Haldar.

[Pervinca Took]

His dad?

[Urwen]

No, his three-generational descendant. Follow the family tree.

[Pervinca Took]

Halmir or Haldir - because I'm not sure if you mean his 3-gen descendant or his dad's 3-gen descendant.

(I just made up that abbreviation, by the way. As far as I am aware). :D

[Urwen]

Handir.

[Urwen]

ULFANG: Unfaithful. Paid the price.
NIENOR: A leap of fate.
TURIN: One of the three known individuals to do this.
ISILDUR: Betrayed by a living object.
MORLEG: A fallen one with a funny name.
E: Strangled by the second.
LALAITH: Shared a part of the birth name with a member of a different race.
Y: When the living flame died out.

D: When you and your opponents kill each other off.
ELENWE: She got 'iced'.
AREDHEL: Avoid pointy things at all costs.
TURGON: Your house was blown down, literally.
HANDIR: Beware corrupted troops.
SAEROS: The chase was on; tragedy (or not)?

[Huinesoron]

Odd thought: could E be ELENNA, aka Numenor? I don't remember Sauron literally strangling anyone, but his evil 'strangled' Numenor (and the smoke from his temple literally choked it).

hS

[Urwen]

I seem to recall one person that Sauron did literally strangle, but I could be wrong about that.

(Also, try my riddle.)

[Pervinca Took]

Is D Dagor Dagorath? But that's not really about untimely deaths.

[Urwen]

No, D is also a person. The only non-person is Y.

[Galadriel55]

Why the blazes (sic) did they name Urwen after fire, by the way?

I actually went to look in COH, and only Lalaith is explained.

In that year Turin son of Hurin was yet only five years old, and Urwen his sister was three in the beginning of spring. Her hair was like the yellow lillies in the grass as she ran in the fields, and her laughter was like the sound of the merry stream that came singing out of the hills past the walls of her father's house. Nen Lalaith it was named, and after it all the people of the household called the child Lalaith, and their hearts were glad while she was among them.

Maybe it was for her hair? :confused:

[Pervinca Took]

Is D DENETHOR, referring to the Siege of Gondor?

[Urwen]

Nope.

[Urwen]

Bump?

[Pervinca Took]

I'm going to guess Year 510 (First Age) for the Balrog clue; although I only counted two particular Balrogs mentioned in the source I read, it did say that the Balrogs rode on dragons, and I think there were more.

Well, I call it the Balrog clue because you later said there is a dance with three dragons.

[Huinesoron]

Sudden thought: could E be Elendil? Because... well... Sauron killed him. ^_^ That's all I've got.

hS

[Urwen]

Nope and nope.

[Huinesoron]

Okeydokey, time for Sauron's Timeline of Evil.

-Bunch of stuff before the First Age. No known deaths.

-First Age: first appears taking Minas Tirith away from Orodreth. No known deaths.

-Mucks about in Dorthonion. Has Barahir's band killed. Possibly EILINEL? Don't think he's directly involved in the deaths of anyone other than Gorlim.

-Team Finrod get into his clutches and are almost all killed by his wolves. Sauron is not personally involved.

-Luthien and Huan beat him and send him running back to Dorthonion.

-Does... kind of... nothing? For the rest of the Age?

-Second Age: first appears as Annatar. Irritates Lindon, but Celebrimbor loves him.

-The War of the Elves and Sauron (did they forget how to name battles???). Kills Celebrimbor, possibly in person. Don't think anyone else is named.

-Eventually taken in chains to Numenor. Pretends to be nice, apart from all the human sacrifice. Don't remember any named victims.

-Nearly gets drowned.

-War of the Last Alliance. Responsible for a bunch of deaths, but only personally kills Elendil and Gil-Galad.

...

EREINION? Apparently it was the heat of Sauron's hand that killed him, so he could have been strangled.

hS

[Urwen]

ULFANG: Unfaithful. Paid the price.
NIENOR: A leap of fate.
TURIN: One of the three known individuals to do this.
ISILDUR: Betrayed by a living object.
MORLEG: A fallen one with a funny name.
EREINION: Strangled by the second.
LALAITH: Shared a part of the birth name with a member of a different race.
Y: When the living flame died out.

D: When you and your opponents kill each other off.
ELENWE: She got 'iced'.
AREDHEL: Avoid pointy things at all costs.
TURGON: Your house was blown down, literally.
HANDIR: Beware corrupted troops.
SAEROS: The chase was on; tragedy (or not)?

[Urwen]

Two to go.

[Huinesoron]

Y: Feanor (a definitely Living Flame) got balrogged in YEAR OF THE TREES 1497, per the Gateway.

D:... goodness only knows. Has someone guessed DUNEDAIN, for when Arthedain and Angmar had their little mutual destruction dance?

hS

[Urwen]

ULFANG: Unfaithful. Paid the price.
NIENOR: A leap of fate.
TURIN: One of the three known individuals to do this.
ISILDUR: Betrayed by a living object.
MORLEG: A fallen one with a funny name.
EREINION: Strangled by the second.
LALAITH: Shared a part of the birth name with a member of a different race.
Y.T 1497: When the living flame died out.

D: When you and your opponents kill each other off.
ELENWE: She got 'iced'.
AREDHEL: Avoid pointy things at all costs.
TURGON: Your house was blown down, literally.
HANDIR: Beware corrupted troops.
SAEROS: The chase was on; tragedy (or not)?

Well, since you solved the hardest clue, I am about to throw you a bone! Shinbone! Skinbone!

[Urwen]

And here is your shinbone...


1. Not quite an ostritch kid. Both a name and a job description.


;)

[Huinesoron]

And here is your shinbone...

;)

DIOR EMUCHILD THE FAIR, slayer of Celegorm the Fair, owner of a cat called Snugglefluff the Fair (probably).

hS

[Urwen]

ULFANG: Unfaithful. Paid the price.
NIENOR: A leap of fate.
TURIN: One of the three known individuals to do this.
ISILDUR: Betrayed by a living object.
MORLEG: A fallen one with a funny name.
EREINION: Strangled by the second.
LALAITH: Shared a part of the birth name with a member of a different race.
Y.T 1497: When the living flame died out.

DIOR: When you and your opponents kill each other off.
ELENWE: She got 'iced'.
AREDHEL: Avoid pointy things at all costs.
TURGON: Your house was blown down, literally.
HANDIR: Beware corrupted troops.
SAEROS: The chase was on; tragedy (or not)?

And over to Pervinca, I think.

[Pervinca Took]

Great password, Urwen, and neat work, Huinesoron. :)

Here we go, then:

1. Gem of a comedienne … hear, read … shhhh!
2. Great hobbit, poetically speaking.
3. One known for hubris in extremity.
4. Do it to wood, if you need boiled athelas
5. He alternatively sets out for Aldershot.
6. He’s always gassing! (Well, OK, twice. Noted).
7. Though nameless here, the name of this one is ultimately the only one remembered.

[Urwen]

6. Fastred (FARTS+E+D)

As for 3, it could be Hammerhand, if hammer counts as hubris - which it did, for his enemies when he smashed 'em with his fist. Then there is also Wingfoot, Heavy Hand, Clubfoot, Morleg...)

[Pervinca Took]

6. Fastred (FARTS+E+D)

As for 3, it could be Hammerhand, if hammer counts as hubris - which it did, for his enemies when he smashed 'em with his fist. Then there is also Wingfoot, Heavy Hand, Clubfoot, Morleg...)

Oh, that made me laugh! As well as taking me by surprise. ;)

Although I have not been unknown to make lavatorial allusions in my clues, it is not that kind of gas on this occasion. :D

You are right about the extremity, but you have the wrong character. There is a much closer fit for 'hubris.'

[Urwen]

Hubris: pride, arrogance.

[Pervinca Took]

Hubris: pride, arrogance.

Yes.

It's the name, not what the person does.

[Huinesoron]

For the new page:

1. Gem of a comedienne … hear, read … shhhh!
2. Great hobbit, poetically speaking.
3. One known for hubris in extremity.
4. Do it to wood, if you need boiled athelas
5. He alternatively sets out for Aldershot.
6. He’s always gassing! (Well, OK, twice. Noted).
7. Though nameless here, the name of this one is ultimately the only one remembered.

#3: "ProudFEET!", surely? Probably Odo Proudfoot, but he has relatives. :)

hS

[Huinesoron]

#7: If there's no cryptic component, KHAMUL is unnamed in the book, but is the only named Nazgul.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. Gem of a comedienne … hear, read … shhhh!
2. Great hobbit, poetically speaking.
ODO PROUDFOOT: One known for hubris in extremity.
4. Do it to wood, if you need boiled athelas.
5. He alternatively sets out for Aldershot.
6. He’s always gassing! (Well, OK, twice. Noted).
EASTERLING (Khamul): Though nameless here, the name of this one is ultimately the only one remembered.

Odo is the one who seems most vocally proud of it, though. (Sorry, Urwen - forgot that when I said hubris referred to the name, not what the person does. It does mostly refer to the name, though).

[Urwen]

Password: Book *insert number here*

[Huinesoron]

Password: Book *insert number here*

Given the presence of Odo Proudfoot, surely that's BOOK ONE?

Which does suggest KINGSFOIL for #4, but only from the word 'athelas'.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

B: Gem of a comedienne … hear, read … shhhh!
O: Great hobbit, poetically speaking.
ODO PROUDFOOT: One known for hubris in extremity.
K: Do it to wood, if you need boiled athelas.

O: He alternatively sets out for Aldershot.
N: He’s always gassing! (Well, OK, twice. Noted).
EASTERLING (Khamul): Though nameless here, the name of this one is ultimately the only one remembered.

I'm quite relieved to have finally used up all six of my 'Book --' passwords - once I'd written one, I couldn't rest until I'd written all six, (in the same evening).

I can't *believe* I could have used kingsfoil for number 4 and didn't think of it! :o The K answers were the most difficult ones to find, though, and were always going to be the ones that gave away the password too quickly, I thought. That's why I posted the puzzle with the slightly more difficult 'Kindness' for answer number 4 before this one. And the 'Kings' Norbury' answer in Book VI was originally just 'King.' (The name comes up in a conversation with Butterbur on the way back to the Shire, although Gandalf actually says 'Norbury of the Kings.')

I do quite like the straight clue I used instead, though. And it conjured up a scene from Book 1 very nicely, I thought.

(And Khamul the Easterling covers the actual 'Flight to the Ford,' because he had to be at that - all of the Nine were).

Ey up, don't you just hate those narcissistic pillocks who explain their passwords? :D

[Galadriel55]

Pervinca, I apoligize for being slow here. I am following the thread but haven't had any lightbulbs, and no time to meditate on it at the moment.

I thought of "kindle" as a thing you do to wood to boil some athelas, but didn't think it as leading to a Tolkien thing. Also, until Huey got the password, any other synonym was on the table.

[Pervinca Took]

B: Gem of a comedienne … hear, read … shhhh!
O: Great hobbit, poetically speaking.
ODO PROUDFOOT: One known for hubris in extremity.
KINDLE: Do it to wood, if you need boiled athelas.

O: He alternatively sets out for Aldershot.
N: He’s always gassing! (Well, OK, twice. Noted).
EASTERLING (Khamul): Though nameless here, the name of this one is ultimately the only one remembered.

Kindle it is! :)

Thinking about it, they had already kindled the fire, for defence. But it came in handy for hot water, and then for steeping athelas in. And I suppose they kindled more wood for that.

No need to apologise. I know Werewolf is keeping a lot of people busy.

[Galadriel55]

Probably stupid question, but what is the Kindle in Book 1? Just the fire that they lit on Weathertop?

[Pervinca Took]

Yes. Strider also orders Merry and Pippin to boil as much water as they can after Frodo has been stabbed, and to bathe his wound with it, so they keep kindling wood. Well, they keep the fire going, anyway. He orders them to, before he goes to try to figure out the Riders' movements, and comes back with athelas (which he walks far to find, and detects by the scent of its flowers, I think).

Although I don't think we hear the word kingsfoil until Gondor, I kind of wish I'd used it instead of kindle.

[Galadriel55]

Although I don't think we hear the word kingsfoil until Gondor, I kind of wish I'd used it instead of kindle.

You can always make more Book passwords. :)

[Huinesoron]

Oh! Is the final O OR+ALD(ershot) = ORALD? Which is Tom Bom, right?

... as named by the men of Anduin and Rohan, apparently. ??? How do they know him?

hS

[Pervinca Took]

B: Gem of a comedienne … hear, read … shhhh!
O: Great hobbit, poetically speaking.
ODO PROUDFOOT: One known for hubris in extremity.
KINDLE: Do it to wood, if you need boiled athelas.

ORALD: He alternatively sets out for Aldershot.
N: He’s always gassing! (Well, OK, twice. Noted).
EASTERLING (Khamul): Though nameless here, the name of this one is ultimately the only one remembered.

Maybe he buys his boots from them.

[Huinesoron]

Maybe he buys his boots from them.

Ah, of course! As mentioned in HoME XIV: The Weird Bits, the Gladden Fields were famously used to make a rich yellow dye. Naturally it was exported west by the Hobbits, which is how Bombadil heard about it.

For N: I rather want this to be an elements clue, gas + gas + note. Ne (neon) would work for the first gas, as would N (Nitrogen); but I can't get any further than that.

O: I've looked for Hobbit O-names which are Primary World names indicating greatness, but none are really coming up.

B: I have no idea. :)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Ah, of course! As mentioned in HoME XIV: The Weird Bits, the Gladden Fields were famously used to make a rich yellow dye. Naturally it was exported west by the Hobbits, which is how Bombadil heard about it.

For N: I rather want this to be an elements clue, gas + gas + note. Ne (neon) would work for the first gas, as would N (Nitrogen); but I can't get any further than that.

O: I've looked for Hobbit O-names which are Primary World names indicating greatness, but none are really coming up.

B: I have no idea. :)

hS

Right thinking for the N clue, and one of your gases is right. Think which Book we're in. Where haven't we been yet?

Clue for the O hobbit: JOHN KEATS.

[Huinesoron]

Right thinking for the N clue, and one of your gases is right. Think which Book we're in. Where haven't we been yet?


Nitrogen Oxygen B-flat = NOB at the Prancing Pony?

hS

[Pervinca Took]

B: Gem of a comedienne … hear, read … shhhh!
O: Great hobbit, poetically speaking.
ODO PROUDFOOT: One known for hubris in extremity.
KINDLE: Do it to wood, if you need boiled athelas.

ORALD: He alternatively sets out for Aldershot.
NOB: He’s always gassing! (Well, OK, twice. Noted).
EASTERLING (Khamul): Though nameless here, the name of this one is ultimately the only one remembered.

Just B. Not flat. ;)

[Urwen]

The only hobbit there I could find is Rosie.

[Huinesoron]

The only hobbit there I could find is Rosie.

I'm assuming you don't mean "the only Hobbit in Book One". :D

It seems Keats wrote a lot of odes, which do start with O, but... well, but who? Odo we've already had, and that leaves:

ODOVACAR BOLGER? Whose name sounds... kind of like 'Ode to a Bulger', who would be 'great' in the sense of 'great big'? And he was apparently at the Party.

I'unno, it's all I've got.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

It's not one of the Odes that I'm referring to.

Keats wrote a poem called (Someone) the Great.

It's not a 'main' hobbit, but he's not as obscure as Odovacar.

He was at the Long-Expected Party. I'm sure I've used him as an answer before, and again, with the cryptic Keats reference.

It isn't one of Keats's better-known poems. But skim through a list of his works, and it shouldn't be that long before you find a name that's also a male hobbit name.

[Urwen]

Otho?

[Pervinca Took]

B: Gem of a comedienne … hear, read … shhhh!
OTHO: Great hobbit, poetically speaking.
ODO PROUDFOOT: One known for hubris in extremity.
KINDLE: Do it to wood, if you need boiled athelas.

ORALD: He alternatively sets out for Aldershot.
NOB: He’s always gassing! (Well, OK, twice. Noted).
EASTERLING (Khamul): Though nameless here, the name of this one is ultimately the only one remembered.

That's him! Lobelia's hubby and Lotho's dad.

Now, the last one refers to a great British comedy actress. Dead now, but had some great television roles in the 70s and 80s.

[Urwen]

Is there a Tolkien woman named Barbara?

[Pervinca Took]

No. Well, not as far as I know.

Look at the first word of the clue, and remember it refers to something in Book One.

[Urwen]

Ruby?

Or Beryl?

[Pervinca Took]

Ruby?

Or Beryl?

Only one of these figures in Book One. Can you remember the reference?

(You are right that both are also names of comedy actresses, but one of those actresses is still living. You need the one that isn't).

[Urwen]

Beryl was left on the bridge by Glorfindel.

[Pervinca Took]

BERYL: Gem of a comedienne … hear, read … shhhh!
OTHO: Great hobbit, poetically speaking.
ODO PROUDFOOT: One known for hubris in extremity.
KINDLE: Do it to wood, if you need boiled athelas.

ORALD: He alternatively sets out for Aldershot.
NOB: He’s always gassing! (Well, OK, twice. Noted).
EASTERLING (Khamul): Though nameless here, the name of this one is ultimately the only one remembered.

Gem of a comedienne … hear, read … shhhh!

BERYL REID played Adrian Mole's Grandma and countless other comedy roles.

Hear read (Reid) then ssshhhh - hush the Reid, to be left with just the gem, BERYL.

And Beryl Reid WAS a gem of a comedienne.

I saved this password, because I didn't want to spoil the BERYL clue in my recent 'jewellery' password by referencing Glorfindel's jewel elsewhere before I posted that particular puzzle.

Over to Huinesoron!

P.S. The latest Werewolf game has now finished, hasn't it?

[Galadriel55]

Yes, it just did! The madness is over. :D

[Huinesoron]

P.S. The latest Werewolf game has now finished, hasn't it?

Yep! So we can get back to more important things. :D

1. - Aragorn's badge in his new home, a noted kind.
2. - The happy author.
3. - Ancient, begin a prism of chocolate but end lightly, respected.
4. - In the original, sounds like a cute duck with no heart.
5. - Peruvian students' union? Only in the south!
6. - Nicole or Christina? Say it shortly noR in Latin.
7. - In Gondor, genderbend the fourth Book of Mormon. Oh no, ahh!

hS

[Pervinca Took]

2. Mr Bliss? (He didn't narrate his story, though).

[Huinesoron]

2. Mr Bliss? (He didn't narrate his story, though).

It is not Mr Bliss, though you're looking at it the right way.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Bilbo, because he remained happy to the end of his days, and he wrote a lot of the Red Book?

[Huinesoron]

Bilbo, because he remained happy to the end of his days, and he wrote a lot of the Red Book?

Now you're looking at the other half of the clue the right way (well, nearly). But not Bilbo.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Sam?

Hopefully Frodo in the end, but not while he was adding to the Red Book!

There's JOY Hill, but wasn't she just involved in the publishing? I believe Tolkien bequeathed her the rights to 'Bilbo's Last Song.'

Or is it Tom Bombadil, author of rhymes that might breach the Geneva Convention, but himself 'a merry fellow?'

[Huinesoron]

Sam?

Hopefully Frodo in the end, but not while he was adding to the Red Book!

There's JOY Hill, but wasn't she just involved in the publishing? I believe Tolkien bequeathed her the rights to 'Bilbo's Last Song.'

Or is it Tom Bombadil, author of rhymes that might breach the Geneva Convention, but himself 'a merry fellow?'

None of those.

But you've actually said the answer. :)

hS

[Kath]

Sooo is it Tolkien?

[Huinesoron]

Sooo is it Tolkien?

It is not. :)

The work this person authored does not exist (at least not in full) in the Primary World.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

MERRY?

He wrote 'Herblore of the Shire.'

I think I said 'merry' in the Bombadil quotation. 'Old Tom Bombadil is a merry fellow.'

...

Could 4 be KUDUK, Hobbitish for hobbit? Sounds a bit like 'cute duck' with the T sound missing from the heart of it.

Looking at those letters .....

... is the password SMOKING?

In which case,

6. NICOTINE or NICOTIANA. Tolkien said the hobbits' pipeweed was probably a variant of this.

So I think the last one must be GALENAS, but let me work backwards and find out why ....

Well, 'Fourth Book of Mormon' in Google brings up GENESIS as a possible answer if that were a crossword clue. I was thinking of that fairly recent musical, although I haven't seen it.

Could GAL be the genderbend element, from, er ... GEN(T)???

1. Maybe SOUTHERN STAR? That's a brand of pipeweed from the Shire. Aragorn's new home us in the south of Middle-earth, in Minas Tirith, and seven stars are an emblem of Numenor?

3. OLD TOBY. OLD = ancient, TOB(LERONE) is chocolate shaped as joined together prisms and Y ends the word 'lightly.'

[Huinesoron]

MERRY?

He wrote 'Herblore of the Shire.'

I think I said 'merry' in the Bombadil quotation. 'Old Tom Bombadil is a merry fellow.'


Correct (and yes you did).

Could 4 be KUDUK, Hobbitish for hobbit? Sounds a bit like 'cute duck' with the T sound missing from the heart of it.

Correct. :)

Looking at those letters .....

... is the password SMOKING?

Yep! Very nicely done.


In which case,

6. NICOTINE or NICOTIANA. Tolkien said the hobbits' pipeweed was probably a variant of this.


NICOTINA, specifically, as in 'Nic or Tina'. So yep.

So I think the last one must be GALENAS, but let me work backwards and find out why ....

Well, 'Fourth Book of Mormon' in Google brings up GENESIS as a possible answer if that were a crossword clue. I was thinking of that fairly recent musical, although I haven't seen it.

Could GAL be the genderbend element, from, er ... GEN(T)???

Okay, you've got the right answer, at least... the fourth book in The Book of Mormon (the book, not the musical) is called Enos; genderbent, he would be Gal Enos. "O, no - a" makes the correction.

1. Maybe SOUTHERN STAR? That's a brand of pipeweed from the Shire. Aragorn's new home us in the south of Middle-earth, in Minas Tirith, and seven stars are an emblem of Numenor?

Correct answer, as is the 'home' element. Aragorn presumably wore the Star of the Dunedain at some point (plus of course the Star of Elendil, though I don't think that was a badge).

3. OLD TOBY. OLD = ancient, TOB(LERONE) is chocolate shaped as joined together prisms and Y ends the word 'lightly.'

And this is spot on.

SOUTHERN STAR - Aragorn's badge in his new home, a noted kind.
MERRY - The happy author.
OLD TOBY - Ancient, begin a prism of chocolate but end lightly, respected.
KUDUK - In the original, sounds like a cute duck with no heart.
5. I - Peruvian students' union? Only in the south!
NICOTINA - Nicole or Christina? Say it shortly noR in Latin.
GALENAS - In Gondor, genderbend the fourth Book of Mormon. Oh no, ahh!

Well, at least you didn't quite one-shot the puzzle...!

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Remember I DRANN, Huinesoron!? ;)

Oh, ruddy heck. That isn't the final answer, is it? The home of most of the pipeweed?

Hang on. No.

It's INCANUS, isn't it? We need Gandalf in a password about smoking.

INCA for Peruvian and NUS for National Union of Students?

Is noR a typo, in the Nicotina clue, or have I missed something?

[Huinesoron]

Remember I DRANN, Huinesoron!? ;)

Oh, ruddy heck. That isn't the final answer, is it? The home of most of the pipeweed?

Hang on. No.

It's INCANUS, isn't it? We need Gandalf in a password about smoking.

INCA for Peruvian and NUS for National Union of Students?

More to the point, we need vowels... Incanus it is.

Is noR a typo, in the Nicotina clue, or have I missed something?

Well, the answer isn't Nic oR Tina, is it? no R!

SOUTHERN STAR - Aragorn's badge in his new home, a noted kind.
MERRY - The happy author.
OLD TOBY - Ancient, begin a prism of chocolate but end lightly, respected.
KUDUK - In the original, sounds like a cute duck with no heart.
INCANUS - Peruvian students' union? Only in the south!
NICOTINA - Nicole or Christina? Say it shortly noR in Latin.
GALENAS - In Gondor, genderbend the fourth Book of Mormon. Oh no, ahh!

Theme: Pipe-weed

Over to you. :)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Brilliant password, Huinesoron! :)

Now then:

1. A magic one to meet a giant, but muddled, and a dwarf’s property?
2. Clematis, myrtle, irises, anemones and thyme grow here.
3. They’re discoloured, in Errantry – but use a generic term.
4. A gift to a lady in convalescence.
5. Used for a sea-lover’s arrows – but prepared like a sheep?
6. It seems to jump state to shining glass, both in a dream and a real, final vision.
7. At mete wel y-taught was she with-alle. She leet no morsel from hir lippes falle.
8. A bloom to greet a princess.
9. Dull of raiment, and a lord of dull people? Hardly!
10. Seven required on Shire wills.
11. A mark left by orcish first-aid.
12. A Hornblower, and a Wesleyan? But not strange, we hear.
13. Land a confused broad around a London suburb, via the bank?
14. It shines upon a mariner’s breast.
15. Frodo’s - aflame? In a tower?

[Huinesoron]

#10: I'm almost positive this is SIGNATURES, probably as mentioned during the opening of The Hobbit.

#14: The SILMARIL? With the mariner being either Elwing or Earendil.

#11: Merry (I think it's Merry) is left with a SCAR.

The password is therefore obviously a very Gollum-esque SSSSSSSSSSSSSSS. :D

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. A magic one to meet a giant, but muddled, and a dwarf’s property?
2. Clematis, myrtle, irises, anemones and thyme grow here.
3. They’re discoloured, in Errantry – but use a generic term.
4. A gift to a lady in convalescence.
5. Used for a sea-lover’s arrows – but prepared like a sheep?
6. It seems to jump state to shining glass, both in a dream and a real, final vision.
7. At mete wel y-taught was she with-alle. She leet no morsel from hir lippes falle.
8. A bloom to greet a princess.
9. Dull of raiment, and a lord of dull people? Hardly!
SIGNATURES: Seven required on Shire wills.
HOLDWINE'S SCAR: A mark left by orcish first-aid.
12. A Hornblower, and a Wesleyan? But not strange, we hear.
13. Land a confused broad around a London suburb, via the bank?
14. It shines upon a mariner’s breast.
15. Frodo’s - aflame? In a tower?

Not a Silmaril.

Needed an H, so calling Merry Holdwine, like Eomer & Co did.

The seven signatures required for Shire wills are mentioned very early in LOTR, (very soon after the Long-Expected Party, in fact), when OTHO (remember him? ;)) is about to contest Bilbo's will, and realises that he can't. Bilbo has made it watertight. And Sackville-Baggins-proof. With the legally required seven signatures in red ink.

Neither Shhhhh nor Ssssss nor any variants thereof are the password, I'm afraid. ;)

[Galadriel55]

9 remimds me of Greycloak, and since Gandalf is not a lord of people, perhaps Thingol?

[Galadriel55]

14. I seem to recall the phrase "on his breast an emerald" in the Earendil song, while the Silmaril is on his brow IIRC.

[Galadriel55]

8. A hesitant Niphredil which "greets" Arwen in her final days?

[Pervinca Took]

1. A magic one to meet a giant, but muddled, and a dwarf’s property?
2. Clematis, myrtle, irises, anemones and thyme grow here.
3. They’re discoloured, in Errantry – but use a generic term.
4. A gift to a lady in convalescence.
5. Used for a sea-lover’s arrows – but prepared like a sheep?
6. It seems to jump state to shining glass, both in a dream and a real, final vision.
7. At mete wel y-taught was she with-alle. She leet no morsel from hir lippes falle.
NIPHREDIL: A bloom to greet a princess.
THINGOL: Dull of raiment, and a lord of dull people? Hardly!
SIGNATURES: Seven required on Shire wills.
HOLDWINE'S SCAR: A mark left by orcish first-aid.
12. A Hornblower, and a Wesleyan? But not strange, we hear.
13. Land a confused broad around a London suburb, via the bank?
EMERALD: It shines upon a mariner’s breast.
15. Frodo’s - aflame? In a tower?

Indeed.

And not only is he Thingol Greycloak, he's also one of the Grey Elves.

I suppose niphredil (and Elanor) *do* greet Arwen at the end - what a beautiful, if sad, image. Although she's a queen, and before that was technically a lady. Still, Elrond could have been called High King if it wouldn't have sounded a bit silly by then.

I was referring to niphredils greeting Luthien - the daughter of King Thingol and Queen Melian - they spring up (for the first time?) when she is born, I believe. Maybe only Half-Maiar get floral salutations? ;)

[Galadriel55]

Right guess for all the wrong reasons. :rolleyes:

[Galadriel55]

4. Keep thinking of the cloak (mantle?) Faramir gives to Eowyn.

[Huinesoron]

6/ I had to look up what actually turns to silver glass (Into the West just says 'all', which is easy to remember but not very helpful); RotK says it's the RAIN.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

6/ I had to look up what actually turns to silver glass (Into the West just says 'all', which is easy to remember but not very helpful); RotK says it's the RAIN.

hS

Rain-curtain, so near enough.

Spot on with the cloak, G55, which had belonged to Faramir's mother, Finduilas of Dol Amroth.

[Pervinca Took]

1. A magic one to meet a giant, but muddled, and a dwarf’s property?
2. Clematis, myrtle, irises, anemones and thyme grow here.
3. They’re discoloured, in Errantry – but use a generic term.
FINDUILAS'S CLOAK: A gift to a lady in convalescence.
5. Used for a sea-lover’s arrows – but prepared like a sheep?
RAIN-CURTAIN: It seems to jump state to shining glass, both in a dream and a real, final vision.
7. At mete wel y-taught was she with-alle. She leet no morsel from hir lippes falle.
NIPHREDIL: A bloom to greet a princess.
THINGOL: Dull of raiment, and a lord of dull people? Hardly!
SIGNATURES: Seven required on Shire wills.
HOLDWINE'S SCAR: A mark left by orcish first-aid.
12. A Hornblower, and a Wesleyan? But not strange, we hear.
13. Land a confused broad around a London suburb, via the bank?
EMERALD: It shines upon a mariner’s breast.
15. Frodo’s - aflame? In a tower?

[Huinesoron]

#3: I'd swear Errantry has off-colour gems, but the only thing I could actually find was yellow oranges. Generically, that could be CITRUS, or even FRUIT.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. A magic one to meet a giant, but muddled, and a dwarf’s property?
2. Clematis, myrtle, irises, anemones and thyme grow here.
FRUIT (ORANGES): They’re discoloured, in Errantry – but use a generic term.
FINDUILAS'S CLOAK: A gift to a lady in convalescence.
5. Used for a sea-lover’s arrows – but prepared like a sheep?
RAIN-CURTAIN: It seems to jump state to shining glass, both in a dream and a real, final vision.
7. At mete wel y-taught was she with-alle. She leet no morsel from hir lippes falle.
NIPHREDIL: A bloom to greet a princess.
THINGOL: Dull of raiment, and a lord of dull people? Hardly!
SIGNATURES: Seven required on Shire wills.
HOLDWINE'S SCAR: A mark left by orcish first-aid.
12. A Hornblower, and a Wesleyan? But not strange, we hear.
13. Land a confused broad around a London suburb, via the bank?
EMERALD: It shines upon a mariner’s breast.
15. Frodo’s - aflame? In a tower?

[Huinesoron]

I'm trying to work out whether #5 is a terrible, glorious pun on yew > EWE.

#2 has enough of a garden feel that I'm almost certain it's ITHILIEN.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. A magic one to meet a giant, but muddled, and a dwarf’s property?
ITHILIEN: Clematis, myrtle, irises, anemones and thyme grow here.
FRUIT (ORANGES): They’re discoloured, in Errantry – but use a generic term.
FINDUILAS'S CLOAK: A gift to a lady in convalescence.
5. Used for a sea-lover’s arrows – but prepared like a sheep?
RAIN-CURTAIN: It seems to jump state to shining glass, both in a dream and a real, final vision.
7. At mete wel y-taught was she with-alle. She leet no morsel from hir lippes falle.
NIPHREDIL: A bloom to greet a princess.
THINGOL: Dull of raiment, and a lord of dull people? Hardly!
SIGNATURES: Seven required on Shire wills.
HOLDWINE'S SCAR: A mark left by orcish first-aid.
12. A Hornblower, and a Wesleyan? But not strange, we hear.
13. Land a confused broad around a London suburb, via the bank?
EMERALD: It shines upon a mariner’s breast.
15. Frodo’s - aflame? In a tower?

Ah, you're thinking of the Eagle in 'The Hobbit,' I think, who says that if they fly them to a certain place, farmers or shepherds will think they are after their sheep (including EWES) and shoot at them with their bows of YEW.

The yew tree is a symbol of death. I suppose it's sort of fitting that a bow that delivers death should be made from one.

Also made me think - he says that normally they WOULD be after their sheep. Are the Eagles of Manwe sheep-stealers? I suppose they have to eat something, but in that case, did HUAN eat Pedigree Chum?

Anyway ... it's not the answer, but in compensation for my ramblings, I will give you a clue and say that that particular answer lies in a *song.*

[Galadriel55]

12. Don't know about Wesleyans, but Tanta Hornblower kinda sounds like "tante", aunt, who is not a stranger.

[Pervinca Took]

Not Tanta. Which denomination are Wesleyans?

[Urwen]

Methodists?

[Pervinca Took]

Methodists?

Yes.

[Urwen]

Amethyst? Sounds like 'a methodist'.

[Pervinca Took]

1. A magic one to meet a giant, but muddled, and a dwarf’s property?
ITHILIEN: Clematis, myrtle, irises, anemones and thyme grow here.
FRUIT (ORANGES): They’re discoloured, in Errantry – but use a generic term.
FINDUILAS'S CLOAK: A gift to a lady in convalescence.
5. Used for a sea-lover’s arrows – but prepared like a sheep?
RAIN-CURTAIN: It seems to jump state to shining glass, both in a dream and a real, final vision.
7. At mete wel y-taught was she with-alle. She leet no morsel from hir lippes falle.
NIPHREDIL: A bloom to greet a princess.
THINGOL: Dull of raiment, and a lord of dull people? Hardly!
SIGNATURES: Seven required on Shire wills.
HOLDWINE'S SCAR: A mark left by orcish first-aid.
AMETHYST: A Hornblower, and a Wesleyan? But not strange, we hear.
13. Land a confused broad around a London suburb, via the bank?
EMERALD: It shines upon a mariner’s breast.
15. Frodo’s - aflame? In a tower?

That's the girl!

It's A METHODIST minus OD(D) for 'not strange' - with 'we hear' to cover the spelling issues.

[Urwen]

Password: Different shades?

[Pervinca Took]

D: A magic one to meet a giant, but muddled, and a dwarf’s property?
ITHILIEN: Clematis, myrtle, irises, anemones and thyme grow here. (purple)
FRUIT (ORANGES): They’re discoloured, in Errantry – but use a generic term. (yellow)
FINDUILAS'S CLOAK: A gift to a lady in convalescence. (blue)
E: Used for a sea-lover’s arrows – but prepared like a sheep?
RAIN-CURTAIN: It seems to jump state to shining glass, both in a dream and a real, final vision. (silver)
E: At mete wel y-taught was she with-alle. She leet no morsel from hir lippes falle.
NIPHREDIL: A bloom to greet a princess. (white)
THINGOL: Dull of raiment, and a lord of dull people? Hardly! (grey)

SIGNATURES: Seven required on Shire wills. (red)
HOLDWINE'S SCAR: A mark left by orcish first-aid. (brown)
AMETHYST: A Hornblower, and a Wesleyan? But not strange, we hear. (mauve)
D: Land a confused broad around a London suburb, via the bank?
EMERALD: It shines upon a mariner’s breast. (green)
S: Frodo’s - aflame? In a tower?

I really loved Huinesoron's RAINBOW password, and just wanted to write a colours-based password myself.

Hope you don't mind, Huinesoron!

[Galadriel55]

I am pretty sure that D starts with Dor, both because of "land" and the presence of these letters in "broad". But I don't know what to do with the rest of it.

Btw, because I am in my gynecology rotation right now, every single freaking time I read that clue, my brain continues from the word "broad" to complete "broad ligament of the uterus". :rolleyes: At least in compensation I kept changing middle ear to Middle Earth all the time when doing ENT. :D

[Pervinca Took]

I am pretty sure that D starts with Dor, both because of "land" and the presence of these letters in "broad". But I don't know what to do with the rest of it.

It's a land, but it doesn't start with DOR.

I will also say that the words 'via the bank' are a mere flourish. If you take the Northern Line on the tube, the London suburb you're after is its southern extremity, and when a tube is going all the way there, on the Bank branch, the driver says ' This train is for _________ via the Bank.'

I think it's also the London suburb where Laurie Lee's dad died 'cranking his car,' as he says in 'Cider with Rosie.'

P.S. You also need a synonym for 'broad.'

P.P.S. Every single answer has a connection to a different colour, even if some of the colours are similar, such as 'purple' and 'mauve.'

[Urwen]

Morden?

[Urwen]

Dwimordene? (MORDEN + WIDE; or WIDE around MORDEN)

[Pervinca Took]

D: A magic one to meet a giant, but muddled, and a dwarf’s property?
ITHILIEN: Clematis, myrtle, irises, anemones and thyme grow here. (purple)
FRUIT (ORANGES): They’re discoloured, in Errantry – but use a generic term. (yellow)
FINDUILAS'S CLOAK: A gift to a lady in convalescence. (blue)
E: Used for a sea-lover’s arrows – but prepared like a sheep?
RAIN-CURTAIN: It seems to jump state to shining glass, both in a dream and a real, final vision. (silver)
E: At mete wel y-taught was she with-alle. She leet no morsel from hir lippes falle.
NIPHREDIL: A bloom to greet a princess. (white)
THINGOL: Dull of raiment, and a lord of dull people? Hardly! (grey)

SIGNATURES: Seven required on Shire wills. (red)
HOLDWINE'S SCAR: A mark left by orcish first-aid. (brown)
AMETHYST: A Hornblower, and a Wesleyan? But not strange, we hear. (mauve)
DWIMORDENE: Land a confused broad around a London suburb, via the bank? (golden)
EMERALD: It shines upon a mariner’s breast. (green)
S: Frodo’s - aflame? In a tower?

Dwimordene indeed, to give us the 'golden' answer.

I've been to many a Tolkien gathering in Morden. One of the London-residing members of the Tolkien Society lives there. When I was a new member and another London-based member invited me to their 'smials' (social gatherings at a member's house), he told me that for that one we would be going to 'Morden where the shadows lie.' ;)

[Kath]

Is the S skin? From when 'it looked to Sam as if he was clothed in flame' in the tower of Cirith Ungol?

[Kath]

And then this...

At mete wel y-taught was she with-alle. She leet no morsel from hir lippes falle.

...is from the Canterbury Tales and apparently refers to Eglantine (a nun). The only Eglantine I know is the one Angela Lansbury plays in Bedknobs and Broomsticks but I'm going to assume that is it also a colour?!

[Pervinca Took]

D: A magic one to meet a giant, but muddled, and a dwarf’s property?
ITHILIEN: Clematis, myrtle, irises, anemones and thyme grow here. (purple)
FRUIT (ORANGES): They’re discoloured, in Errantry – but use a generic term. (yellow)
FINDUILAS'S CLOAK: A gift to a lady in convalescence. (blue)
E: Used for a sea-lover’s arrows – but prepared like a sheep?
RAIN-CURTAIN: It seems to jump state to shining glass, both in a dream and a real, final vision. (silver)
EGLANTINE: At mete wel y-taught was she with-alle. She leet no morsel from hir lippes falle. (pink)
NIPHREDIL: A bloom to greet a princess. (white)
THINGOL: Dull of raiment, and a lord of dull people? Hardly! (grey)

SIGNATURES: Seven required on Shire wills. (red)
HOLDWINE'S SCAR: A mark left by orcish first-aid. (brown)
AMETHYST: A Hornblower, and a Wesleyan? But not strange, we hear. (mauve)
DWIMORDENE: Land a confused broad around a London suburb, via the bank? (golden)
EMERALD: It shines upon a mariner’s breast. (green)
SKIN: Frodo’s - aflame? In a tower? (scarlet)

And then this...
...is from the Canterbury Tales and apparently refers to Eglantine (a nun). The only Eglantine I know is the one Angela Lansbury plays in Bedknobs and Broomsticks but I'm going to assume that is it also a colour?!

More than a nun! (In a sense). ;) A Prioress!

'And she was cleped Madam Eglantyne,' from the same part of the General Prologue to the Canterbury Tales. I guess it would be the name she chose upon taking the veil, and as it's a rose, it goes with the other aspects of her that Chaucer presents as being pretty, flirtatious and self-indulgent rather than holy, such as having a handsome wimple, immaculate table manners (the quotation I used shows a part of these), and feeding dainty food to her little dog (when her spending should have been focused on the poor).

Eglantine Took, (née Banks), is Pippin's mother.

Eglantine is a wild rose, and they are (or can be) PINK.

Is the S skin? From when 'it looked to Sam as if he was clothed in flame' in the tower of Cirith Ungol?

Indeed - the precise shade of red that Tolkien uses being scarlet.

Two clues left to solve ... each linked to a different shade/colour. :)

[Kath]

The E ... I'm guessing that it's a YEW bow but prepared like a sheep would make it EWE. But I don't know again if that's a colour.

[Kath]

I cannot work out the D. It's making me think of BEANSTALK as in, a magic beanstalk to get to a giant, but I can't then think of anything that belongs to a dwarf that has those letters.

[Pervinca Took]

You're on the right track. What does the magic beanstalk grow *from?* Take it, isolate it, muddle it, join it to a dwarf.

And find the E answer in a song about a sea lover.

[Urwen]

Is this it?

In panoply of ancient kings,
in chainéd rings he armoured him;
his shining shield was scored with runes
to ward all wounds and harm from him;
his bow was made of dragon-horn,
his arrows shorn of ebony;
of silver was his habergeon,
his scabbard of chalcedony;
his sword of steel was valiant,
of adamant his helmet tall,
an eagle-plume upon his crest,
upon his breast an emerald.

[Kath]

You're on the right track. What does the magic beanstalk grow *from?* Take it, isolate it, muddle it, join it to a dwarf.
A bean? I don't know what you mean by 'isolate it' though.

[Kath]

Ohhhhh! Durin's Bane! Because BANE is BEAN muddled. So whatever colour you're counting the balrog as - red, black, shadowy?

[Galadriel55]

Ohhhhh! Durin's Bane! Because BANE is BEAN muddled. So whatever colour you're counting the balrog as - red, black, shadowy?

*facepalm* I was trying to work backwards by going through Dwarven property associated with a colour. :rolleyes:

[Pervinca Took]

DURIN'S BANE: A magic one to meet a giant, but muddled, and a dwarf’s property? (orange)
ITHILIEN: Clematis, myrtle, irises, anemones and thyme grow here. (purple)
FRUIT (ORANGES): They’re discoloured, in Errantry – but use a generic term. (yellow)
FINDUILAS'S CLOAK: A gift to a lady in convalescence. (blue)
EBONY: Used for a sea-lover’s arrows – but prepared like a sheep? (black)
RAIN-CURTAIN: It seems to jump state to shining glass, both in a dream and a real, final vision. (silver)
EGLANTINE: At mete wel y-taught was she with-alle. She leet no morsel from hir lippes falle. (pink)
NIPHREDIL: A bloom to greet a princess. (white)
THINGOL: Dull of raiment, and a lord of dull people? Hardly! (grey)

SIGNATURES: Seven required on Shire wills. (red)
HOLDWINE'S SCAR: A mark left by orcish first-aid. (brown)
AMETHYST: A Hornblower, and a Wesleyan? But not strange, we hear. (mauve)
DWIMORDENE: Land a confused broad around a London suburb, via the bank? (golden)
EMERALD: It shines upon a mariner’s breast. (green)
SKIN: Frodo’s - aflame? In a tower? (scarlet)

EBONY is right, and gives us the shade of black. Earendil's arrows are shorn of ebony, and it is usually a SHEEP that is SHORN. (Not just Shaun the Sheep. A sheep shorn for summer, after shearing, has always been a shorn sheep).

A bean? I don't know what you mean by 'isolate it' though.

You've just done it! You've isolated BEAN from beanstalk!

Now, muddle BEAN up. Just a little.

And remember that some of the things we own can be a little abstract. ;)

EDIT: You either hadn't posted this while I was putting in EBONY, or there was a new page and I didn't see it:-

Ohhhhh! Durin's Bane! Because BANE is BEAN muddled. So whatever colour you're counting the balrog as - red, black, shadowy?

ORANGE. ;) Fiery. ;)

I don't think Tolkien liked the word 'orange' at all. It only occurs once in 'The Hobbit.' And I think once or not at all in LOTR. I searched for it in online versions of the text, trying to get ideas for a clue. Fire, eyes, sun, etc always seem to be red or yellow in Tolkien.

Well done all, and over to Urwen!

[Galadriel55]

You've just done it! You've isolated BEAN from beanstalk!

Now, muddle BEAN up. Just a little.

And remember that some of the things we own can be a little abstract. ;)

You've cross-posted. ;)

[Pervinca Took]

You've cross-posted. ;)

I know. Everything is edited in now, though. :)

[Urwen]

1. Find him in a cave surrounded by a meandering river.
2. More famous than his dad. Friendly competition.
3. Briefly, british road is muddled for a singer (in love).
4. Struck with a pointy end.
5. A skilled linguist.

[Pervinca Took]

Is 3 DAERON ... ROAD + EN(GLISH) for British?

[Urwen]

1. Find him in a cave surrounded by a meandering river.
2. More famous than his dad. Friendly competition.
DAERON: Briefly, british road is muddled for a singer (in love).
4. Struck with a pointy end.
5. A skilled linguist.

[Pervinca Took]

5. Feanor?

[Urwen]

Nope.

[Pervinca Took]

Bilbo?

4. Aredhel?

[Urwen]

1. Find him in a cave surrounded by a meandering river.
2. More famous than his dad. Friendly competition.
DAERON: Briefly, british road is muddled for a singer (in love).
AREDHEL: Struck with a pointy end.
5. A skilled linguist.

No to Bilbo.

[Pervinca Took]

ELDAR, perhaps, for the password?

[Urwen]

E: Find him in a cave surrounded by a meandering river.
L: More famous than his dad. Friendly competition.
DAERON: Briefly, british road is muddled for a singer (in love).
AREDHEL: Struck with a pointy end.
R: A skilled linguist.

[Pervinca Took]

I think R must be RUMIL, the inventor of writing.

Is L Legolas?

[Urwen]

E: Find him in a cave surrounded by a meandering river.
LEGOLAS: More famous than his dad. Friendly competition.
DAERON: Briefly, british road is muddled for a singer (in love).
AREDHEL: Struck with a pointy end.
RUMIL: A skilled linguist.

[Galadriel55]

Elrond for the last one, the Elf of the Cave?


Pervinca, that password was brilliant! Durin's Bane is my favourite. The whole thing was well thought out and references so many things!

[Urwen]

No. Cave is both straight and cryptic. He is also the person that the song 'Eldar' by Blind Guardian is centered around.

[Kath]

Well, that song is about Finrod Felagund but if it has to begin with an e then ... Edennil?

[Urwen]

EDENNIL: Find him in a cave surrounded by a meandering river.
LEGOLAS: More famous than his dad. Friendly competition.
DAERON: Briefly, british road is muddled for a singer (in love).
AREDHEL: Struck with a pointy end.
RUMIL: A skilled linguist.

And over to Pervinca.

[Pervinca Took]

I hadn't heard of the name Edennil! Nice one, Urwen. :) Especially making one element both straight and cryptic.

Glad you liked the last one, G55. Hope you all like this one too.


1. Maytime, more or less – but now tertiary in Gondor?
2. The magnificent one is constant. And hearty. Remains so at his final summons.
3. Flat and subdued? A waterside billet – temporary, but kingly.
4. Troubled? Yes, we hear she’s a convicted murderer.
5. The main hero of a botanical tome?
6. Here, beneath Orthanc and Cirith Ungol?
7. Flipping heck! Roheryn’s mate for a festival? Translate!
8. Island chap – good material for a temporary mayor?
9. Keep the champagne and the claret! Rohan calls you once more!
10. Alternative route to paradise for the final two. (Well, part of it. Arguably).
11. A bride fit for a future Thain?
12. Trumpet loses one note, to gain two more and reveal him.

[Kath]

I don't suppose 9 is Guthwine?

[Pervinca Took]

I don't suppose 9 is Guthwine?

No, but it's quite similar. One might say it's half right. ;)

If you keep something, you kind of .... it.

[Kath]

Ahh could it be Holdwine - young master Meriadoc?

[Pervinca Took]

1. Maytime, more or less – but now tertiary in Gondor?
2. The magnificent one is constant. And hearty. Remains so at his final summons.
3. Flat and subdued? A waterside billet – temporary, but kingly.
4. Troubled? Yes, we hear she’s a convicted murderer.
5. The main hero of a botanical tome?
6. Here, beneath Orthanc and Cirith Ungol?
7. Flipping heck! Roheryn’s mate for a festival? Translate!
8. Island chap – good material for a temporary mayor?
HOLDWINE: Keep the champagne and the claret! Rohan calls you once more!
10. Alternative route to paradise for the final two. (Well, part of it. Arguably).
11. A bride fit for a future Thain?
12. Trumpet loses one note, to gain two more and reveal him.

[Kath]

Could 11 be Goldilocks? The bride of Faramir I, son of Pippin.

[Kath]

And 3 maybe Laketown - or Esgaroth?

[Pervinca Took]

1. Maytime, more or less – but now tertiary in Gondor?
2. The magnificent one is constant. And hearty. Remains so at his final summons.
3. Flat and subdued? A waterside billet – temporary, but kingly.
4. Troubled? Yes, we hear she’s a convicted murderer.
5. The main hero of a botanical tome?
6. Here, beneath Orthanc and Cirith Ungol?
7. Flipping heck! Roheryn’s mate for a festival? Translate!
8. Island chap – good material for a temporary mayor?
HOLDWINE: Keep the champagne and the claret! Rohan calls you once more!
10. Alternative route to paradise for the final two. (Well, part of it. Arguably).
GOLDILOCKS: A bride fit for a future Thain?
12. Trumpet loses one note, to gain two more and reveal him.

Well done with Goldilocks - I thought people would guess Diamond first!

No to Laketown/Esgaroth. The key word is 'temporary.'

[Huinesoron]

#2 made me immediately think of Meriadoc the Magnificent, but you've already got him. :) Then I started thinking of ponies, wondering if one of the Hobbits' original five had a name that fit. I don't see one, but I did rediscover the fact that Sam picks up old faithful Bill at Bree on the way home, and actually rides him to the Grey Havens and back.

Which means that Bill the Pony is the fourth-to-last character in The Lord of the Rings, which is kind of charming.

(But doesn't answer the password, probably.)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

#2 made me immediately think of Meriadoc the Magnificent, but you've already got him. :) Then I started thinking of ponies, wondering if one of the Hobbits' original five had a name that fit. I don't see one, but I did rediscover the fact that Sam picks up old faithful Bill at Bree on the way home, and actually rides him to the Grey Havens and back.

Which means that Bill the Pony is the fourth-to-last character in The Lord of the Rings, which is kind of charming.

(But doesn't answer the password, probably.)

hS

Stick with Meriadoc. It's not his name, though, but a word used to describe him.

(P.S. I hope it was OK that I did a colours password. It was because I loved the 'Rainbow' one so much and wanted more).