Password

[Urwen]

And could the password be Peredhil?

[William Cloud Hicklin]

No on Peredhil.

Before I start giving hints, let's see what the crowd can do with the easier ones (or even the harder ones, which sometimes fall to lightbulb-moments).

Besides, I haven't seen Hun or Gal yet this morning.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

1 has been edited- when typing it up I left out a phrase

[Urwen]

A fiend without a butt?

[William Cloud Hicklin]

A fiend without a butt?

Not the best clue, so I changed it to something easier:

"Arab handmaid ate Jewish pastry- the upset without 440 produced a fiend"

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Let's put it this way: "handmaid" would have been a pretty specific cultural allusion, to a generation raised before Margaret Atwood.

[Urwen]

Ambarussa has both a bum and an ***.....

Once we remove those, we're left with AARSSA and AMBARU, respectively....

Is there any bad guy with ***/bum in their name....?

Maybe UMBARTO.....If we remove BUM, we're left with ARTO.....

And Jewish pastry is probably a bagel.....

[Huinesoron]

Very well, since I probably won't be getting the password anytime soon, because others are determined to do it, then will not be helping any of you anymore. Solve every damn password if it means so much to you, but don't ask for my help again.

Half the reason I play is to get the password right, so this kinda discourages me.....

Urwen, I don't think I've solved a password in weeks; you gave one two days ago.

Everyone plays to try and get the answer right; it's not at all fair to tell people they're not allowed to do so. Frankly it makes the whole game a lot less fun, because now I have to worry that I'm going to be told off if I get anything right.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

This thread is most fun when everyone is trying to solve the clues and passwords. Yes, you groan inwardly a little if someone else gets it first, but we've all had that happen to us. It's the game. And it's also part of the rules.

Back to the current puzzle:

Where on earth has bum/butt come from?

[Urwen]

Urwen, I don't think I've solved a password in weeks; you gave one two days ago.

Everyone plays to try and get the answer right; it's not at all fair to tell people they're not allowed to do so. Frankly it makes the whole game a lot less fun, because now I have to worry that I'm going to be told off if I get anything right.

hS

Well, it's not fair for those of us who actually try to solve it for someone to just swoop in and claim it without doing a thing to earn in, and yet it is being done. Want me to stop telling you off. Then earn it.

As for where bum/butt part came from, look at edited clues.

[Urwen]

I came across a term bitch while googling. Do I need to find an arab word for bitch and put a bagel inside of it?

[Pervinca Took]

I've had passwords solved by others when I've guessed lots of the clues. Even by you.

I respect my team-mates enough to enjoy their contributions. It's a shared experience. And it is, in the last analysis, a game.

[Urwen]

I've had passwords solved by others when I've guessed lots of the clues. Even by you.

I respect my team-mates enough to enjoy their contributions. It's a shared experience. And it is, in the last analysis, a game.

I am sorry, but as I said, I am discouraged.

Besides, I have said that I wouldn't be helping you anymore. I haven't said anything more or anything less than that. I didn't insult any of you or anything.

[Huinesoron]

Well, it's not fair for those of us who actually try to solve it for someone to just swoop in and claim it without doing a thing to earn in, and yet it is being done. Want me to stop telling you off. Then earn it.

Wow. Okay, enjoy your thread.

hS

[Urwen]

Wow. Okay, enjoy your thread.

hS


I apologize. I am in bad mood because I am bored and my tooth hurts, so yea, I am a bit cranky.

[Huinesoron]

I apologize. I am in bad mood because I am bored and my tooth hurts, so yea, I am a bit cranky.

I've been in a bad mood most of the time for a couple of weeks, for a whole bunch of reasons (including online haranguing elsewhere last night, which is why I'm on a very short fuse over this), so I get that; 's fine. I'll probably come back to this thread in a couple of days.

As a point of trivia/peace offering, before William showed up, I was able to construct 'Gondolin' as a password by using all the guesses that were made except for 'Morgoth' on #4. The same answers also gave 'Irensaga', which is one of the White Mountains, apparently.

Personally, I'm terrible at anagrams, especially anagrams from synonyms, and most of the straight clues have been 'him' or 'her' of late, so the only way I can participate is by using a few existing answers to guess either a password or theme, and work from there. (The rash of non-first-letter passwords has been murder on that, let me tell you.)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

The rash of non-first-letter passwords has been murder on that, let me tell you.)

hS

Made necessary by the fact that we've kind of come to expect (and to enjoy the challenge of making) themed passwords, which wasn't the case before. Also simply the challenge of creating something new.

I kind of like the way the red letters are sprinkled over the puzzle in the not-in-a-straight-line passwords, though. :)

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Folks, disregard the bum/butt thing; it was a poor clue, and #1 has I think been notably improved.

1. Arab handmaid ate Jewish pastry- the upset without 440 produced a fiend
2. Get out? Nein! He's backwards!
3. BEREN: Remember England; he was in there.
4. Bluetooth gets garbled after tea, so you'll have to unscramble him
5. MAEDHROS: He's like, "Crazy beach, crazy!"
6. MAGLOR: Glam rocker without even thinking- he was the first and might be the last
7. Key crew! Activity will reveal him
8. He's a dunce on one side

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Perhaps discontent would be mollified if a rule were created, according to which the person who solves a clue gets first crack at the Password, and everyone else has to hold their tongues until the clue-solver takes his or her stab at it?

[Urwen]

I came across a term bitch while googling. Do I need to find an arab word for bitch and put a bagel inside of it?


Am I on right track here?

[Urwen]

440 stands for AAO.


Or maybe we need an equivalent of that in roman numerals.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

those two clues are a) Biblical and b) musical

[William Cloud Hicklin]

New page:

1. Arab handmaid ate Jewish pastry- the upset without 440 produced a fiend
2. Get out? Nein! He's backwards!
3. BEREN: Remember England; he was in there.
4. Bluetooth gets garbled after tea, so you'll have to unscramble him
5. MAEDHROS: He's like, "Crazy beach, crazy!"
6. MAGLOR: Glam rocker without even thinking- he was the first and might be the last
7. Key crew! Activity will reveal him
8. He's a dunce on one side

[Urwen]

Challah and rugelach are Jewish pastries mentioned in the bible.

[Pervinca Took]

Bilhah was Rachel's handmaid.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Bilhah was Rachel's handmaid.

You're at least heading in the right direction.......

[Urwen]

And 440 seems to be A.

[Pervinca Took]

Hagar was Sarai's handmaid.

The biblical term often means concubine.

And 'pilegesh' is the Hebrew word for concubine.

[Urwen]

Balcmeg does contain BAGEL, but I doubt CM satisfies the remaining clues....

[Urwen]

Based on Pervinca's reasoning, Grishnakh?

[Urwen]

Or Shagrat, whose name contains HAGAR.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Based on Pervinca's reasoning, Grishnakh?


DING DING DING!

HAGAR + KNISH - A

1. GRISHNAKH: Arab handmaid ate Jewish pastry- the upset without 440 produced a fiend
2. Get out? Nein! He's backwards!
3. BEREN: Remember England; he was in there.
4. Bluetooth gets garbled after tea, so you'll have to unscramble him
5. MAEDHROS: He's like, "Crazy beach, crazy!"
6. MAGLOR: Glam rocker without even thinking- he was the first and might be the last
7. Key crew! Activity will reveal him
8. He's a dunce on one side

FWIW, I believe to the best of my knowledge that these 8 individuals are the only characters in Tolkien who fit this pattern

[Urwen]

I still don't see the theme. As far as I know, those four have nothing in common......

[Pervinca Took]

I'm intrigued by 440 ... it's 'page not found,' isn't it? How is it also A?

[Urwen]

Maybe the password is Halfhand, or Hurthand. Because.....all of their hands were hurt or lost.....

[Urwen]

I'm intrigued by 440 ... it's 'page not found,' isn't it? How is it also A?


440 is A in music terms.....

[William Cloud Hicklin]

I'm intrigued by 440 ... it's 'page not found,' isn't it? How is it also A?


standard tuning A is 440 Hertz

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Maybe the password is.... Hurthand. Because.....all of their hands were hurt or lost.....

BOOM goes the dynamite!

1. GRISHNAKH: Arab handmaid ate Jewish pastry- the upset without 440 produced a fiend
2. ???U???: Get out? Nein! He's backwards!
3. BEREN: Remember England; he was in there.
4. ???T???Bluetooth gets garbled after tea, so you'll have to unscramble him
5. MAEDHROS: He's like, "Crazy beach, crazy!"
6. MAGLOR: Glam rocker without even thinking- he was the first and might be the last
7. ???N???: Key crew! Activity will reveal him
8. ???D???: He's a dunce on one side

[Pervinca Took]

Is it that they lose a body part? Did Grishnakh end up losing his head?

[Pervinca Took]

Ah ... ok!

[Urwen]

BOOM goes the dynamite!


What does that mean....?

[Pervinca Took]

One of them has to be Frodo, then.

[Urwen]

Nein is German for no. Isildur cut off Sauron's hand

2. Sauron?

[Pervinca Took]

Maybe another is Isildur ... he wrote that the Ring was so hot that he doubted he would ever be free of the pain of it.

And I think Gollum said 'O my poor hands!' when remembering his torture.

And Isildur cut off one of Sauron's fingers.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

2 NO + RAUS, backwards

1. GRISHNAKH: Arab handmaid ate Jewish pastry- the upset without 440 produced a fiend (sword-hand pierced by an arrow)
2. SAURON: Get out? Nein! He's backwards! (dactylectomy by Isildur)
3. BEREN: Remember England; he was in there. (wolf with the munchies)
4. ???T???: Bluetooth gets garbled after tea, so you'll have to unscramble him
5. MAEDHROS: He's like, "Crazy beach, crazy!" (hand amputated by Fingon, *and* burned by a Silmaril)
6. MAGLOR: Glam rocker without even thinking- he was the first and might be the last (burned by a Silmaril)
7. ???N???: Key crew! Activity will reveal him
8. ???D???: He's a dunce on one side


It's also the case that all these characters were trying to obtain a Super Important Bit of Bling, but that class includes far more people

[Pervinca Took]

Nein is German for no. Isildur cut off Sauron's hand

2. Sauron?

And 'Raus! means 'Get out!'

[Urwen]

8. Isildur? (I as roman numeral for 1, IS for is)

[Urwen]

7 must be either Dernhelm or Merry, who injured their hand fighting the Witch King. I believe that one of the essential crew activities is minding the helm.....


and 'DERN' sounds like 'TURN'.

[Pervinca Took]

'Dur' as a sarcastic thing to say, implying someone is stupid?

[Pervinca Took]

2 NO + RAUS, backwards

1. GRISHNAKH: Arab handmaid ate Jewish pastry- the upset without 440 produced a fiend (sword-hand pierced by an arrow)
2. SAURON: Get out? Nein! He's backwards! (dactylectomy by Isildur)
3. BEREN: Remember England; he was in there. (wolf with the munchies)
4. ???T???: Bluetooth gets garbled after tea, so you'll have to unscramble him
5. MAEDHROS: He's like, "Crazy beach, crazy!" (hand amputated by Fingon, *and* burned by a Silmaril)
6. MAGLOR: Glam rocker without even thinking- he was the first and might be the last (burned by a Silmaril)
7. ???N???: Key crew! Activity will reveal him
8. ???D???: He's a dunce on one side


It's also the case that all these characters were trying to obtain a Super Important Bit of Bling, but that class includes far more people

Sauron had the Bling already ... but not for long.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Merry and Eowyn had their arms injured, not their hands.

[Urwen]

I don't know whether Silmarils count as blings.

[Urwen]

What about Isildur?

[William Cloud Hicklin]

The whole theme was inspired by a wisecrack I once read, and used as my sig line here for a while: "Tolkien's writing is concerned primarily with disputes over the ownership of jewelry, and the hand injuries that occur as a result."

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No, not Isildur

[Urwen]

Morgoth's hands were also burned, and he fits w/bluetooth clue as well, but he was rejected as the solution for that clue.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

I don't know whether Silmarils count as blings.

Hey, that Iron Crown was one heck of a flashy fashion statement!

[Urwen]

But....speaking of hurt hands, my own signature comes to mind... :cool:

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Morgoth... fits w/bluetooth clue as well

4. Morgoth (gorm+hot)

Um, no. What the heck is a gorm?

[Urwen]

How about Frodo as 8?

[William Cloud Hicklin]

You're going to have to solve clues, not just toss names out!

[Pervinca Took]

Frodo ... frod means wise, but the O on the other side of the red D could mean ... nothing?

[Urwen]

Um, no. What the heck is a gorm?

Gorm from 'Gormsson', the middle name of King Harold 'Gormsson' Bluetooth of Scandinavia, from whom the modern Bluetooth technology derived its name.

[Urwen]

DOOF is one side of DOOFUS. We just need R.....

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Gorm from 'Gormsson', the middle name of King Harold 'Gormsson' Bluetooth of Scandinavia, from whom the modern Bluetooth technology derived its name.

OK, you're actually on the right track. But it ain't Morgoth

[William Cloud Hicklin]

DOOF is one side of DOOFUS. We just need R.....

Come on- how many sides does a person have.....?

[William Cloud Hicklin]

1. GRISHNAKH: Arab handmaid ate Jewish pastry- the upset without 440 produced a fiend (sword-hand pierced by an arrow)
2. SAURON: Get out? Nein! He's backwards! (dactylectomy by Isildur)
3. BEREN: Remember England; he was in there. (wolf with the munchies)
4. ???T???: Bluetooth gets garbled after tea, so you'll have to unscramble him
5. MAEDHROS: He's like, "Crazy beach, crazy!" (hand amputated by Fingon, *and* burned by a Silmaril)
6. MAGLOR: Glam rocker without even thinking- he was the first and might be the last (burned by a Silmaril)
7. ???N???: Key crew! Activity will reveal him
8. ???D???: He's a dunce on one side

[Urwen]

Two, Left and right

So Frodo (Doof+R)

[Urwen]

Harold + T as in for T.

It gives Tharold. Is there a character named Tharold?

Or maybe Hurin injured his hand somehow.....

[William Cloud Hicklin]

1. GRISHNAKH: Arab handmaid ate Jewish pastry- the upset without 440 produced a fiend (sword-hand pierced by an arrow)
2. SAURON: Get out? Nein! He's backwards! (dactylectomy by Isildur)
3. BEREN: Remember England; he was in there. (wolf with the munchies)
4. ???T???: Bluetooth gets garbled after tea, so you'll have to unscramble him
5. ???????: Black. Black clothes, black outlook
6. MAEDHROS: He's like, "Crazy beach, crazy!" (hand amputated by Fingon, *and* burned by a Silmaril)
7. MAGLOR: Glam rocker without even thinking- he was the first and might be the last (burned by a Silmaril)
8. ???N???: Key crew! Activity will reveal him
9. ???D???: He's a dunce on one side
10. ???S???: The moon, duh?


Added two gimmes just to keep the class complete. Two guys I overlooked

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Harold + T as in for T.

It gives Tharold. Is there a character named Tharold?

Or maybe Hurin injured his hand somehow.....

How would King Bluetooth (or his scribes) have spelt his name?

[Urwen]

10. Isildur (Isil+Dur)
5. Morgoth (Mor+Goth)

[Urwen]

Harald Blatand, that's how.

[Pervinca Took]

Wasn't it Morgoth's foot that was hurt? The elements fit, though.

[Urwen]

Or Haraldr, but I don't see how the Tea part of the clue fits there.....

[Urwen]

Wasn't it Morgoth's foot that was hurt? The elements fit, though.


His hands were burned when he stole the Silmarili.

[Urwen]

Maybe 'Haradrim'?

[Urwen]

Frodo is not correct?

[William Cloud Hicklin]

1. GRISHNAKH: Arab handmaid ate Jewish pastry- the upset without 440 produced a fiend (sword-hand pierced by an arrow)
2. SAURON: Get out? Nein! He's backwards! (dactylectomy by Isildur)
3. BEREN: Remember England; he was in there. (wolf with the munchies)
4. ???T???: Bluetooth gets garbled after tea, so you'll have to unscramble him
5. MORGOTH: Black. Black clothes, black outlook (burned by Silmarils)
6. MAEDHROS: He's like, "Crazy beach, crazy!" (hand amputated by Fingon, *and* burned by a Silmaril)
7. MAGLOR: Glam rocker without even thinking- he was the first and might be the last (burned by a Silmaril)
8. ???N???: Key crew! Activity will reveal him
9. FRODO: He's a dunce on one side (dactylectomy by Gollum)
10. ISILDUR: The moon, duh? (burned by the Ring)

[Urwen]

Can't recall any other characters with injured hands.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Or Haraldr, but I don't see how the Tea part of the clue fits there.....


Oh, come on. "Tea" is the easiest bit in the whole table!

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Can't recall any other characters with injured hands.

You listed one early on....

[Urwen]

Key crew activity is steering.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

All right: both of the characters remaining appear as characters in the main text of the Silmarillion and/or Lord of the Rings. But the specific bits required for this puzzle are found elsewhere (not HME, in case you were worried)

[Urwen]

Feanor and Tuor.

But which of these fits the clue?

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Feanor and Tuor.

But which of these fits the clue?

Nope. As far as I can tell, neither ever required a hand surgeon.

[Urwen]

They're the only ones I've listed early on. Apart from Thingol, that is.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

They're the only ones I've listed early on. Apart from Thingol, that is.


Sorry, it was Pervinca's guess. Somebody listed him, anyway

[Urwen]

The only others that were listed early are Fingolfin and Finarfin......and 'Fingolfin' contains 'log' in his name.....

[Pervinca Took]

Sam's hand got hurt after he tried cutting Shelob's web and the one strand he managed to sever whipped his hand. ;)

My only guesses were Frodo, Isildur and Gollum, and neither Gollum nor Smeagol have either of the red letters still required.

Unless you use one of Sam's nicknames for him: SLINKER or STINKER.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

4 is T + an anagram of HARALD. All you have to do is get the reference.

8 refers to a sport

[Urwen]

Golfing?

[William Cloud Hicklin]

No. It's a sport probably bigger in England than over here, but the term involved is (I believe) Yank-only. It's also particularly associated with Oxford (and Cambridge)

[Pervinca Took]

Is Trahald Gollum?

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Sam's hand got hurt after he tried cutting Shelob's web and the one strand he managed to sever whipped his hand. ;)

My only guesses were Frodo, Isildur and Gollum, and neither Gollum nor Smeagol have either of the red letters still required.

Unless you use one of Sam's nicknames for him: SLINKER or STINKER.

Keep going..... As I said, the key datum doesn't appear in the main text

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Is Trahald Gollum?


Yes! Appendix F. Trahald was Smeagol in "real" Westron.


1. GRISHNAKH: Arab handmaid ate Jewish pastry- the upset without 440 produced a fiend (sword-hand pierced by an arrow)
2. SAURON: Get out? Nein! He's backwards! (dactylectomy by Isildur)
3. BEREN: Remember England; he was in there. (wolf with the munchies)
4. TRAHALD: Bluetooth gets garbled after tea, so you'll have to unscramble him (hands hurt by Sauron's torturers)
5. MORGOTH: Black. Black clothes, black outlook (burned by Silmarils)
6. MAEDHROS: He's like, "Crazy beach, crazy!" (hand amputated by Fingon, *and* burned by a Silmaril)
7. MAGLOR: Glam rocker without even thinking- he was the first and might be the last (burned by a Silmaril)
8. ???N???: Key crew! Activity will reveal him
9. FRODO: He's a dunce on one side (dactylectomy by Gollum)
10. ISILDUR: The moon, duh? (burned by the Ring)

[Pervinca Took]

It was buried somewhere in my memory. I couldn't remember where I might have read it.

[Urwen]

4. Stinker?

[Pervinca Took]

I guess the sport would be rowing. Punting is just a leisure activity, not a sport.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

I guess the sport would be rowing. Punting is just a leisure activity, not a sport.


There we go. In America, but not Britain, rowing is usually referred to as "crew."

[Urwen]

and the key is a computer key, right?

[Urwen]

Wait, is 8 GWINDOR (ROWING + D)?

[William Cloud Hicklin]

and the key is a computer key, right?

Arguably, but that's not what I'm looking for

[Urwen]

COH says that he succeeded in escaping, but that his hand was cut off

[William Cloud Hicklin]

1. GRISHNAKH: Arab handmaid ate Jewish pastry- the upset without 440 produced a fiend (sword-hand pierced by an arrow)
2. SAURON: Get out? Nein! He's backwards! (dactylectomy by Isildur)
3. BEREN: Remember England; he was in there. (wolf with the munchies)
4. TRAHALD: Bluetooth gets garbled after tea, so you'll have to unscramble him (hands hurt by Sauron's torturers)
5. MORGOTH: Black. Black clothes, black outlook (burned by Silmarils)
6. MAEDHROS: He's like, "Crazy beach, crazy!" (hand amputated by Fingon, *and* burned by a Silmaril)
7. MAGLOR: Glam rocker without even thinking- he was the first and might be the last (burned by a Silmaril)
8. ???N???: Key crew! Activity will reveal him
9. FRODO: He's a dunce on one side (dactylectomy by Gollum)
10. ISILDUR: The moon, duh? (burned by the Ring)

[Urwen]

You didn't see it, did you?

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Wait, is 8 GWINDOR (ROWING + D)?

Yep! (D, like all notes of the scale, is also the name of a musical key)

1. GRISHNAKH: Arab handmaid ate Jewish pastry- the upset without 440 produced a fiend (sword-hand pierced by an arrow)
2. SAURON: Get out? Nein! He's backwards! (dactylectomy by Isildur)
3. BEREN: Remember England; he was in there. (wolf with the munchies)
4. TRAHALD: Bluetooth gets garbled after tea, so you'll have to unscramble him (hands huirt by Sauron's torturers)
5. MORGOTH: Black. Black clothes, black outlook (burned by Silmarils)
6. MAEDHROS: He's like, "Crazy beach, crazy!" (hand amputated by Fingon, *and* burned by a Silmaril)
7. MAGLOR: Glam rocker without even thinking- he was the first and might be the last (burned by a Silmaril)
8. GWINDOR: Key crew! Activity will reveal him (lost hand in Angband)
9. FRODO: He's a dunce on one side (dactylectomy by Gollum)
10. ISILDUR: The moon, duh? (burned by the Ring)


Over to you, Urwen

[Pervinca Took]

Key could actually be any letter of the alphabet, couldn't it? Every one of them is a computer key.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Key could actually be any letter of the alphabet, couldn't it? Every one of them is a computer key.


Yeah, but that's too easy

[Pervinca Took]

Not for the guesser!

[Urwen]

1. A measure swallows a spun carpet for a king
2. A turbulent wind and an insect reveal him
3. Double noted, an article and an animal reveal the flutist
4. A staff is delayed, in reverse, for him
5. A headless amphibian reveals him
6. An ancient animal enclosure circulates for the leader of two
7. A booklet, a drink and a direction are muddled up for the slayer
8. An element, a note and a river fluctuate, and a miner with a broken arm is revealed

[William Cloud Hicklin]

1. A measure swallows a spun carpet for a king
2. A turbulent wind and an insect reveal him
3. Double noted, an article and an animal reveal the flutist
4. A staff is delayed, in reverse, for him
5. A headless amphibian reveals him
6. An ancient animal enclosure circulates for the leader of two
7. A booklet, a drink and a direction are muddled up for the slayer
8. An element, a note and a river fluctuate, and a miner with a broken arm is revealed


5- Rog, the captain of Gondolin? (FROG - F)

[William Cloud Hicklin]

And 8 is Maeglin, Mg + A + NILE

[William Cloud Hicklin]

1 is Turgon, TON + RUG

[William Cloud Hicklin]

3 is Ecthelion, whose company marched to the music of flutes, E + C + THE + LION

[Urwen]

TURGON: A measure swallows a spun carpet for a king
2. A turbulent wind and an insect reveal him
ECTHELION: Double noted, an article and an animal reveal the flutist
4. A staff is delayed, in reverse, for him
ROG: A headless amphibian reveals him
6. An ancient animal enclosure circulates for the leader of two
7. A booklet, a drink and a direction are muddled up for the slayer
MAEGLIN: An element, a note and a river fluctuate, and a miner with a broken arm is revealed

[William Cloud Hicklin]

6 OLD + PEN = Penlod, who led both the Pillar and the Tower of Snow

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Aaaand the password is GONDOLIN

[William Cloud Hicklin]

2 Egalmoth, GALE + MOTH

[William Cloud Hicklin]

ROD-LAG backwards is Galdor

[Urwen]

Yeah, each time Pervinca did one of the council ones, I was disappointed that they weren't Lords of Gondolin, so I made a puzzle for them. (And so I can make the 'one of these things is not like the others' joke. :p)

TURGON: A measure swallows a spun carpet for a king
EGALMOTH: A turbulent wind and an insect reveal him
ECTHELION: Double noted, an article and an animal reveal the flutist
GALDOR: A staff is delayed, in reverse, for him
ROG: A headless amphibian reveals him
PENLOD: An ancient animal enclosure circulates for the leader of two
I: A booklet, a drink and a direction are muddled up for the slayer
MAEGLIN: An element, a note and a river fluctuate, and a miner with a broken arm is revealed

[William Cloud Hicklin]

And finally the Balrog-slayer, FOLDER + GIN + L = Glorfindel

[Urwen]

TURGON: A measure swallows a spun carpet for a king
EGALMOTH: A turbulent wind and an insect reveal him
ECTHELION: Double noted, an article and an animal reveal the flutist
GALDOR: A staff is delayed, in reverse, for him
ROG: A headless amphibian reveals him
PENLOD: An ancient animal enclosure circulates for the leader of two
GLORFINDEL: A booklet, a drink and a direction are muddled up for the slayer
MAEGLIN: An element, a note and a river fluctuate, and a miner with a broken arm is revealed

Over to you.

(Did you get my little joke, by the way?)

[William Cloud Hicklin]

(Did you get my little joke, by the way?)


Maeglin's broken arm?

[Urwen]

Maeglin's broken arm?

I meant this

(And so I can make the 'one of these things is not like the others' joke. :p)

[William Cloud Hicklin]

It's been a busy evening, folks, and I have to get to bed. New puzzle in the morning

[Urwen]

Before you do, I have just one question: did you get the joke? (The one I've quoted, that is.)

[William Cloud Hicklin]

1: Bean designated tenth man, cut here
2: Here you'll find the bewildered spokesman for the heads of failed enterprises.
3: Washington, Whitney and Hood got together, but it was left out
4: Here they confuse Arwen with a banker
5: Garlicky slowpoke; if you switch church leaders, you're there.
6: 3 nurses donate a user interface, but it's a mess
7: The manors of a Roman family in a noble degree
8: Cabbageville
9: Named for its leading resident, who sounds like a Borg
10: Here is a ruined bargain

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Before you do, I have just one question: did you get the joke? (The one I've quoted, that is.)


No, I don't think I cottoned to it (except that Maeglin was the Judas of the group)

[Urwen]

No, I don't think I cottoned to it (except that Maeglin was the Judas of the group)

So you did understand it.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

So you did understand it.


Well, he was still a Lord of Gondolin. Just the bad one.

[Urwen]

Back to your puzzle.

Bean = Sean Bean = Ned Stark.

There is no location with 'neck' in its name, otherwise it would have been perfect.....

[Urwen]

10. DALE (From DEAL)

[William Cloud Hicklin]

1: Bean designated tenth man, cut here
2: Here you'll find the bewildered spokesman for the heads of failed enterprises.
3: Washington, Whitney and Hood got together, but it was left out
4: Here they confuse Arwen with a banker
5: Garlicky slowpoke; if you switch church leaders, you're there.
6: 3 nurses donate a user interface, but it's a mess
7: The manors of a Roman family in a noble degree
8: Cabbageville
9: Named for its leading resident, who sounds like a Borg
DALE: Here is a ruined bargain

[Urwen]

9. Beorn's Hall (Because Beorn does kinda sound like a borg)

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Close enough. Actually because Beorn is cognate with Bjorn, as in Bjorn Borg.

1: Bean designated tenth man, cut here
2: Here you'll find the bewildered spokesman for the heads of failed enterprises.
3: Washington, Whitney and Hood got together, but it was left out
4: Here they confuse Arwen with a banker
5: Garlicky slowpoke; if you switch church leaders, you're there.
6: 3 nurses donate a user interface, but it's a mess
7: The manors of a Roman family in a noble degree
8: Cabbageville
9: BEORN
10: DALE

[Urwen]

8. Lake Town (KALE+TOWN)

Theme: Places/People in the Hobbit

[Urwen]

4. Forest River (Because it almost contains INVESTOR)

[Urwen]

7. Nogrod (contains N, RO and D)

[William Cloud Hicklin]

8 is correct!

1: Bean designated tenth man, cut here
2: Here you'll find the bewildered spokesman for the heads of failed enterprises.
3: Washington, Whitney and Hood got together, but it was left out
4: Here they confuse Arwen with a banker
5: Garlicky slowpoke; if you switch church leaders, you're there.
6: 3 nurses donate a user interface, but it's a mess
7: The manors of a Roman family in a noble degree
8: LAKETOWN
9: BEORN
10: DALE

[Urwen]

Theme: Places/People in Rhovanion.

I am searching for a place which begins with N and ends with D, but there are none that fit the theme

[Urwen]

Password is Wilderland, another name for Rhovanion. :D

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Password is Wilderland, another name for Rhovanion. :D


Correct!

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I'll be away from my desk tonight; I'll try to check periodically by phone

[Urwen]

Which makes it:



??W??: Bean designated tenth man, cut here
??I??: Here you'll find the bewildered spokesman for the heads of failed enterprises.
??L?? Washington, Whitney and Hood got together, but it was left out
??D??: Here they confuse Arwen with a banker
??E??: Garlicky slowpoke; if you switch church leaders, you're there.
??R??: 3 nurses donate a user interface, but it's a mess
??L??: The manors of a Roman family in a noble degree
8: LAKETOWN
9: BEORN
10: DALE

[Urwen]

What's with a bean clue? I tried both a synonym for the bean and the type of bean, and none of the locations incorporates any letters of that.....

[Urwen]

I'm lost, and nobody else seems to be around, so (unless you think that they will come back) could you give some hints, please?

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Try the easy ones, the first L and the E

[Urwen]

I have, but can't make sense of them either. Garlic is clove, but no place there contains clove. And I've searched for anything shared by three names listed, and found nothing.

[Urwen]

I found 'church leaders'.

[Urwen]

The only one I could think of for E clue is CELEBRANT, based on the fact that a get together is a party i.e CELEBRATION.

[Urwen]

And the closest I could come to L clue is NIMRODEL. (IDLER+??)

[Pervinca Took]

A pity there's no RIVERDALE, because you can make that from IDLER + AIL + REV.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

And I've searched for anything shared by three names listed, and found nothing.

Maybe search again.

[Urwen]

I only found the name GEORGE.

[Urwen]

LANGWELL for 4 (There is James Whitney, James Washington, James Hood and James Langwell)

[Nerwen]

The only commonality I can find between Washington, Whitney and Hood is that they're the names of peaks (in America)- perhaps the one that was left out is the LONELY MOUNTAIN?

Edit: x'd with Urwen. Uh- who are those people?

[Pervinca Took]

There are politicians with those three surnames, but I tried subtracting IT from politician/s and couldn't come up with anything.

[Pervinca Took]

Sorry ... should have read the end of Nerwen's post!

[Urwen]

The only commonality I can find between Washington, Whitney and Hood is that they're the names of peaks (in America)- perhaps the one that was left out is the LONELY MOUNTAIN?

Edit: x'd with Urwen. Uh- who are those people?


People I've found with Google.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

LONELY MOUNTAIN it is

[Urwen]

Still can't find anything for the E clue, unless it's EGLADIL?

[Urwen]

And could we get some hints for other clues too?

[William Cloud Hicklin]

C'mon- what is famously slow, and also famously cooked with garlic?

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Also, you have the password, but not exactly the theme, which would help

[William Cloud Hicklin]

The only commonality I can find between Washington, Whitney and Hood is that they're the names of peaks (in America)- perhaps the one that was left out is the LONELY MOUNTAIN?


Well, "Everest, Matterhorn and Kilimanjaro" would have been a mite obvious

[Urwen]

Snails?

[Urwen]

Isn't the theme places in Rhovanion?

[Urwen]

Okay, Escargot is cooked with garlic, but how do 'church leaders' factor in?

[Urwen]

Maybe the theme is 'Route of Thorin and company' or 'Places in the Hobbit' (as in, the book)

[Pervinca Took]

Esgaroth?

Exchange the c for the h for 'switch church leaders?'

Oh - switch the letter leading/heading the WORD.

I've never watched Game of Thrones, but I know Sean Bean's character dies in it, and I *have* heard of the original meaning of decimation. Was his character executed because they executed every tenth man?

[Urwen]

Esgaroth?

Exchange the c for the h for 'switch church leaders?'

Oh - switch the letter leading/heading the WORD.

I've never watched Game of Thrones, but I know Sean Bean's character dies in it, and I *have* heard of the original meaning of decimation. Was his character executed because they executed every tenth man?

No, his character was executed for the supposed treason. Or at least that was their excuse (but in reality he was executed because he knew too much & because of a whims of an entitled brat)

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Esgaroth?

Exchange the c for the h for 'switch church leaders?'



Exactamundo!
_______

1 has nothing whatsoever to do with Sean Bean. Orson Bean, neither.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Isn't the theme places in Rhovanion?

More specific than that

[Urwen]

What about this:

Maybe the theme is 'Route of Thorin and company' or 'Places in the Hobbit' (as in, the book)

[Urwen]

So we won't be getting any hints for the harder ones?

[Pervinca Took]

I can't see how the manors of a Roman family can be anything but VILLAS, but the only names containing that word are SACKVILLE and (of course) SACKVILLE-BAGGINS.

[Pervinca Took]

Unless it's GREAT SMIALS, a sort of manor house in the Shire, with 'Great' being noble degree and 'Smials' being dwellings ... all owned by the Thain.

[Urwen]

You forget the letters N and D, from noble degree.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Roman and Halls are not linked

[Urwen]

Guess we won't be getting any further hints, then.

[Urwen]

Second L clue: Elvenking's Halls?

[Urwen]

Also please confirm/deny my theme guess, thank you.

[Urwen]

Okay, clearly the hints aren't forthcoming and my theme guess remains unanswered too.

Therefore, I give up on this one. Here is my final guess for second L clue: Dagorlad.

Hope it helps the rest of you somehow.

[Pervinca Took]

Let's try some ancient Roman families, then.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Ancient_Roman_family_trees

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Second L clue: Elvenking's Halls?

Yes, but how?


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Still don't have the theme

[Urwen]

Well, there is manors = halls, and there is k= degree.

[Urwen]

Also, give us some clues, please, pretty please......:(

If nothing else, then give us a hint of what the theme is.....

[William Cloud Hicklin]

All right! Finally back to a real keyboard after 24 hours.

and there is k= degree.

You're so very close. But you also need "Roman family"

1 ???W???: Bean designated tenth man, cut here
2 ???I???: Here you'll find the bewildered spokesman for the heads of failed enterprises.
3: LONELY MOUNTAIN
4 ???D???: Here they confuse Arwen with a banker
5: ESGAROTH
6 ???R???: 3 nurses donate a user interface, but it's a mess
7???L???: The manors of a Roman family in a noble degree
8: LAKETOWN
9: BEORN
10: DALE


No. 1: sporting references again. Pay attention to "designated tenth man"
No. 2: "Bewildered spokesman."
No. 4: Typical synonym-anagram clue
No. 6: Think abbreviation

[Urwen]

Then if we remove K and halls, we're left with E L V E N I N G

[Urwen]

Arwen as in EVENSTAR or UNDOMIEL?

Because EVENSTAR is similar to INVESTOR, which is a synonym for 'banker'.

[Pervinca Took]

Roman is actually an anagram of manor, but that's probably just a coincidence.

[Urwen]

Does 1st clue have something to do with this: http://www.thetenthmanblog.net/sidney-moncrief/?

[Urwen]

6: Tndaui biam

[Pervinca Took]

A nurse over here is an RGN, (registered general nurse), but I expect that's probably not the case in Canada or the USA.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Does 1st clue have something to do with this: http://www.thetenthmanblog.net/sidney-moncrief/?


Hmmm. No; I have no idea where "tenth man" came from in the context of basketball. The sport I'm thinking of is traditionally associated with nine players (although that hasn't actually been true, except in a couple of leagues, for years now). Bonus: the first part of the clue could allude to the same sport).

[William Cloud Hicklin]

A nurse over here is an RGN, (registered general nurse), but I expect that's probably not the case in Canada or the USA.

Here a nurse is simply a Registered Nurse (RN)... and, yes, you're on the right track.

[Urwen]

Okay, the sports with nine players are baseball and fast pitch softball.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

INVESTOR is way off-course.

_____________________________

Ask yourself, why is it called a Kelvin?

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Okay, the sports with nine players are baseball and fast pitch softball.


and the "designated tenth man" would be the.....

[Urwen]

And user interface is U I


So RUNI.

[Urwen]

and the "designated tenth man" would be the.....


I don't know. Googling 'baseball+tenth player' or 'softball fastpitch tenth player' doesn't produce an official position name either.

[Urwen]

Like Pervinca, I am not a huge fan of sports either. :V

[Urwen]

Designated tenth man seems to be a hitter, but I don't see how that has a Tolkien connection.

[Pervinca Took]

Could the tenth man be the SUB or substitute?

[Pervinca Took]

3 nurses ...

Does RN + RN + IORETH produce anything interesting?

(I suspect not. Not enough vowels).

[Pervinca Took]

https://abbreviations.yourdictionary.com/articles/nursing-abbreviations.html

Various abbreviations for kinds of nurse.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Okay-

Traditionally baseball was played by nine men. But in 1973 the American League introduced a new position. He doesn't field; his job is to bat for the pitcher. And he is called the.....

[William Cloud Hicklin]

3 nurses ...

Does RN + RN + IORETH produce anything interesting?

(I suspect not. Not enough vowels).


You've overlooked "donate"

[Urwen]

And UI as well.

The tenth position is designated hitter, as I've said. And it still has no Tolkien connection.

Also, can we get a hint for the theme.

[Pervinca Took]

You've overlooked "donate"

Ah, crafty. :D Donate could have just meant donate the other elements to the answer/bank of letters.

[Pervinca Took]

Well, 'bean' is also, apparently, slang for hit/thump/strike/sock.

[Urwen]

Ah, crafty. :D Donate could have just meant donate the other elements to the answer/bank of letters.


You also forgot user interface part.....

[Urwen]

and designated hitter doesn't contain a letter w either.

[Pervinca Took]

I didn't say I had solved it. I am just trying to unearth any other possibilities I can, so that someone *can* solve it.

The W suggests wound, perhaps, as a synonym for 'cut.'

[Urwen]

Withered Heath for 1 (D + HITTER (from designated hitter) + HEW + HEA (from head, as in bean head, losing last letter)

It's the best I can come up with it, and it fits with recent tradition of using the first letter of the password in the first clue to make it easier.

[Urwen]

Kelvin comes from lord kelvin, so LORD

[Urwen]

Caras Galadhon for 7 (LORD + CASA + GAHAN)

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Withered Heath for 1 (D + HITTER (from designated hitter) + HEW + HEA (from head, as in bean head, losing last letter)

It's the best I can come up with it, and it fits with recent tradition of using the first letter of the password in the first clue to make it easier.

You got it! Except that it's straight up HEAD ((=bean, as in beanball)

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the kelvin was named for Lord Kelvin, hence it's a "noble degree". Figure out "Roman family" and you're there.

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other guesses, no. Here's a helping hand for 6: RN RN RN + GIVE + UI

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Theme: the Password makes it have a very specific application, beyond simply "places in Rhovanion"

1 WITHERED HEATH
2 ???I???: Here you'll find the bewildered spokesman for the heads of failed enterprises.
3: LONELY MOUNTAIN
4 ???D???: Here they confuse Arwen with a banker
5: ESGAROTH
6 ???R???: 3 nurses donate a user interface, but it's a mess
7???L???: The manors of a Roman family in a noble degree
8: LAKETOWN
9: BEORN
10: DALE

[Urwen]

You haven't confirmed whether the theme is 'Places visited by Thorin and co' or not yet.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

You haven't confirmed whether the theme is 'Places visited by Thorin and co' or not yet.

No. (Inter alia, they never went to the Withered Heath)

[Urwen]

7 is Elvenking's halls (KELVIN + GENS + HALLS)

[Urwen]

No. (Inter alia, they never went to the Withered Heath)


And places in Mirkwood/Northern Rhovanion?

[Urwen]

Or maybe places connected to the Battle of Five Armies in some fashion?

[Urwen]

And for 6, River Running (RN RN RN + GIVE + UI, like you said)

[Urwen]

Theme: People/Places in the Kingdom of Dale

[Urwen]

I found a term for banker which is close to UNDOMIEL: MONEY LENDER

[Pervinca Took]

And for 6, River Running (RN RN RN + GIVE + UI, like you said)

Ruddy heck! That's a clever clue.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

And for 6, River Running (RN RN RN + GIVE + UI, like you said)
7 is Elvenking's halls (KELVIN + GENS + HALLS)

Yep!

1: WITHERED HEATH
2 ???I???: Here you'll find the bewildered spokesman for the heads of failed enterprises.
3: LONELY MOUNTAIN
4 ???D???: Here they confuse Arwen with a banker
5: ESGAROTH
6: RIVER RUNNING
7: ELVENKING'S HALLS
8: LAKETOWN
9: BEORN
10: DALE

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Ruddy heck! That's a clever clue.

I had hoped that using "3" rather than "three" would have been a tipoff.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

I found a term for banker which is close to UNDOMIEL: MONEY LENDER


You're getting closer, but it isn't Undomiel.

[Urwen]

You're getting closer, but it isn't Undomiel.


Then if it isn't Undomiel, and it isn't Evenstar either, then what is it?!

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Then if it isn't Undomiel, and it isn't Evenstar either, then what is it?!


"Here." It's a place, not a person. Arwen is just part of the clue.

[Pervinca Took]

How about a riverbank - a river for the banker?

[Urwen]

"Here." It's a place, not a person. Arwen is just part of the clue.


Yeah, but you said that the final answer doesn't contain either Undomiel or Evenstar (you dismissed the second option when you said it isn't 'investor'.)

That leaves only ARWEN as possible part of the clue, and I've tried all places that contain that. None of those contains any letters needed for synonym of 'banker'.

[Urwen]

Places which contain 'arwen': Woodland Realm. Remove 'arwen' and you're left with

O O D L D A L M

Now do tell, which is the synonym of banker that also exists within these letters?

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Who sez "Arwen" is part of the final answer?

Go back to LENDER and see what you can do with it

[William Cloud Hicklin]

[completely OT: why won't the forum software accept ANY custom avatar I try to upload? Yes, it's well within size limits]

[Urwen]

Who sez "Arwen" is part of the final answer?

Go back to LENDER and see what you can do with it


But you said that Arwen is part of the clue.....

[William Cloud Hicklin]

But you said that Arwen is part of the clue.....

It is, but that doesn't mean the letters A R W E N....

Again, if you play with LENDER you'll probably get the answer, and then see how Arwen ties in.

[Urwen]

It is, but that doesn't mean the letters A R W E N....


So you mean only the letters LENDER are part of the puzzle?

[Urwen]

Okay, I will try some anagrams of lender.

[Urwen]

Elenarda, maybe (A LENDER + AR, from ARWEN)

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Come on, stick with the password. And LENDER doesn't give you all the letters, just 6 of them.

[Urwen]

But it is some form of AR+LENDER, right?

[Urwen]

Right, so I took all five places containing 'lender' and I removed the word 'lender from them', and these letters are what I was left with


S O A T I O O F T H D A G O N
S O A T I O O F T H O R A N N O N
F I O F C E L B A T
G A D R I V E
T A U E D O S

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Right, so I took all five places containing 'lender' and I removed the word 'lender from them', and these letters are what I was left with


S O A T I O O F T H D A G O N
S O A T I O O F T H O R A N N O N
F I O F C E L B A T
G A D R I V E
T A U E D O S


You overlooked one.

[Urwen]

You overlooked one.


http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Category:Rhovanion


Do you see one, apart from these five when you click that link?

[Urwen]

Unless you mean Wilderland itself (If we switch A to E, we get LENDER, plus something extra).

Maybe the clue simply means to swap A with E (or vice versa), in which case, a few possibilities open themselves up.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Oh, okay. the theme is actually "names found on the Wilderland Map from The Hobbit"

[Urwen]

Rivendell (LIV + LENDER)

[Urwen]

Which means the last one is The Desolation of Smaug

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Rivendell (LIV + LENDER)


Got it!


1: WITHERED HEATH
2 ???I???: Here you'll find the bewildered spokesman for the heads of failed enterprises.
3: LONELY MOUNTAIN
4: RIVENDELL
5: ESGAROTH
6: RIVER RUNNING
7: ELVENKING'S HALLS
8: LAKETOWN
9: BEORN
10: DALE

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DoS is way off.

What are the heads of FAILED and ENTERPRISES?