Password

[Pervinca Took]

Googling … did you mean to post a link?

[Urwen]

Googling … did you mean to post a link?


Well, if a link may help, then sure (https://www.pdx.edu/ws/frodo-okulam).

[Pervinca Took]

Thank you. :)

5. The link reveals that there is a real life lady called Frodo with a doctorate. Which gives us - Frodo!

Is the password possibly Frodo? And could I pretty please see his name in a lovely red diagonal?

[Urwen]

Yes, and sure.

FRODO: Note a house covering in the muddle for him
FRODO: A spinning car? Add a vowel for him.
FRODO: Victual is a mess. Path in the middle. See him.
FRODO: She is a doctor, or is it him?
FRODO: Briefly, French note, with a vowel in the middle, unearths him.

Now we each have had a password comprised solely of (one) of our favorite characters. :D

[Pervinca Took]

Thank you! :):):)

Did you realise that one more post will make this the longest thread in the Quiz Room subforum?

And would you like to do the next password, since that one was done as a request/favour?

[Urwen]

I think my themes/clues/passwords are becoming a bit repetitive, and honestly, I like Frodo too, so you may do the next one, unless you're too busy.

[Pervinca Took]

Just a quick one, then.

1. One who might perform late in French?
2. Boys with fiery facial features?
3. Grond used as a crusher of nincompoops?
4. Scrap of cloth and playground game return for this one.

[Urwen]

1. Hama (Ham+A)

[Huinesoron]

3. Must be a NINNYHAMMER, surely?

I'm so sorry I missed being suitably punished by your negative password. :D

(Hmm... I wonder if there's a way to concoct a password based on a sort of anti-Menegroth... the Negative Thousand Caves, so to speak... :cool:)

hS

[Urwen]

No guesses for riddle game yet? Where is Nerwen? :p

[Pervinca Took]

1. One who might perform late in French?
2. Boys with fiery facial features?
NINNYHAMMER: Grond used as a crusher of nincompoops?
4. Scrap of cloth and playground game return for this one.

Urwen - you mean HAM as in a hammy performance and A as in 'at' (sometimes where it would be 'in' in English?) That's clever, but it's a different synonym for 'perform' and a different word put into French.

Huinesoron, I knew you'd probably miss it, because it happened at the weekend, but I hope you enjoyed reading the final, solved product. :D

It was nearly a smaller password with SILENCE as the answer, but after trying a few numbers (and even capital letters I and O to spell 10) to no avail, luckily the word 'eleven' added to 'minus' gave eleven letters.

And before you start threatening me with the cube root of minus eleven, this latest one is mostly first letters and has no anagrams. (Well, it can't have. There are no anagram indicators!)

[Urwen]

So we need to put late into french?

[Pervinca Took]

So we need to put late into french?

Oui! Exactement.

[Huinesoron]

And before you start threatening me with the cube root of minus eleven, this latest one is mostly first letters and has no anagrams.

Now that's my kind of password!

2 makes me think of someone's ears burning, but I don't think Tolkien uses that.

I feel like #4 is going to founder on the question of which playground game it's after; it looks like a perfect opportunity for 'well in my five square miles of England between these two years...'.

Hmm... a scrap of cloth could be a rag, but we could also be looking for just part of 'cloth'. There's not a game called Neirol, is there? ;)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

'Rag' is the correct element. Have you worked out what the theme is?

I think the playground game is pretty universal.

[Urwen]

'late' in french is tard/tardif.

[Urwen]

1. Fingon (Fin+Go on)

[Urwen]

And the game I found is tag. Tag+Rag backwards gives GARGAT.

[Pervinca Took]

TAG is correct for the game.

You've put the elements in the wrong order.

'Return' doesn't mean run it backwards to get the right answer. It means the right answer runs back because the last letter is the one that's part of the password.

[Pervinca Took]

1. Fingon (Fin+Go on)

Nope. 'Fin' means end, not late.

If you perform something, you _______ it.

[Urwen]

act?

[Pervinca Took]

You're being too theatrical. ;)

[Urwen]

Do?

[Urwen]

4. Ragtag?
Password: Ring?

[Pervinca Took]

Do?

Correct.

'Ring' is not the password.

[Pervinca Took]

1. One who might perform late in French?
2. Boys with fiery facial features?
NINNYHAMMER: Grond used as a crusher of nincompoops?
RAGTAG: Scrap of cloth and playground game return for this one.

[Urwen]

Fang?

[Urwen]

Is 'tard' the correct word for 'late' or not?

[Pervinca Took]

Fang?

No.

Neither 'Ring' nor 'Fang' fit with the theme.

[Pervinca Took]

Is 'tard' the correct word for 'late' or not?

Yes.

[Urwen]

So tard+do


Dotard?

[Pervinca Took]

DOTARD: One who might perform late in French?
2. Boys with fiery facial features?
NINNYHAMMER: Grond used as a crusher of nincompoops?
RAGTAG: Scrap of cloth and playground game return for this one.

[Urwen]

Dung for the password?

[Pervinca Took]

DOTARD: One who might perform late in French?
U: Boys with fiery facial features?
NINNYHAMMER: Grond used as a crusher of nincompoops?
RAGTAG: Scrap of cloth and playground game return for this one.

[Urwen]

I thought Feanorians for a second, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Theme is Tolkien insults.

[Pervinca Took]

DOTARD: One who might perform late in French?
U: Boys with fiery facial features?
NINNYHAMMER: Grond used as a crusher of nincompoops?
RAGTAG: Scrap of cloth and playground game return for this one.

THEME: TOLKIENIAN INSULTS


Ninnyhammer the Feanorian? I can't imagine Feanor suffering any ninnyhammers, even though he could be a stupendous one himself.

ONE TO GO!

[Urwen]

I meant Feanorians for the second clue, not the password.


But then again, Gothmog is adept at swinging the ninnyhammer. He crushes dumbasses, such as Feanor. Rushing into danger like that isn't very smart. I knew there is a reason I consider him a nincompoop.

[Pervinca Took]

Like Dotard and Ragtag(s?), the remaining one is used by Saruman. Not at Orthanc, though. And it's used in mock-friendliness, a little bit like when Denethor says 'my liege' to Pippin.

'Dung' is used by Shagrat, I think. About someone who knifed him.
Either him or Gorbag, anyway.

Ninnyhammer is the Gaffer's preferred insult, of course, and sometimes used by Sam of himself.

[Urwen]

Urchins (UR for flame, from my namesake's wit, and CHINS)

[Urwen]

No comment on my Feanor point?

[Pervinca Took]

DOTARD: One who might perform late in French?
URCHINS: Boys with fiery facial features?
NINNYHAMMER: Grond used as a crusher of nincompoops?
RAGTAG: Scrap of cloth and playground game return for this one.

THEME: TOLKIENIAN INSULTS

Feanor certainly doesn't always put those grey cells to the best use. So yes, I agree with you.

And now ... over to you!

[Urwen]

This password idea was given to me by one of Nerwen's remarks during her last riddle.


1. Messed up gaiety? Endlessly sick? Something you wear? See it!
2. People who are up to no good? Not in this case!
3. Two drinks form a flower.
4. A movie singer follows direction, and it appears!
5. Extremely dry with a vowel shift? Endless aid? Gather these for her.

[Pervinca Took]

3. Brandywine?

[Urwen]

1. Messed up gaiety? Endlessly sick? Something you wear? See it!
2. People who are up to no good? Not in this case!
BRANDYWINE: Two drinks form a flower.
4. A movie singer follows direction, and it appears!
5. Extremely dry with a vowel shift? Endless aid? Gather these for her.

[Pervinca Took]

5. Aredhel.

Arid - i + e + hel(p).

[Urwen]

1. Messed up gaiety? Endlessly sick? Something you wear? See it!
2. People who are up to no good? Not in this case!
BRANDYWINE: Two drinks form a flower.
4. A movie singer follows direction, and it appears!
AREDHEL: Extremely dry with a vowel shift? Endless aid? Gather these for her.

[Pervinca Took]

2. Outlaws? (Turin & Co?)

[Urwen]

2. Outlaws? (Turin & Co?)


Doesn't fit with the theme. Think about your favorite character instead.

[Pervinca Took]

Ah, ok.

Conspirators?

[Urwen]

1. Messed up gaiety? Endlessly sick? Something you wear? See it!
CONSPIRATORS: People who are up to no good? Not in this case!
BRANDYWINE: Two drinks form a flower.
4. A movie singer follows direction, and it appears!
AREDHEL: Extremely dry with a vowel shift? Endless aid? Gather these for her.

[Pervinca Took]

All I can currently see is 'Voila!' ;)

[Urwen]

All I can currently see is 'Voila!' ;)


When in doubt, turn to Elvish. ;)

[Pervinca Took]

That's what I was thinking. ;)

I think I need to figure out the theme first, though.

[Urwen]

I am sure you will figure it out. :)

[Urwen]

Theme hint:


Highly debatable, I'd say. (And Maeglin's life was saved by his mother, actually, though that's neither here nor there.)

At any rate the person in question was certainly very badly disposed towards the other party.

[Pervinca Took]

Hmmm ...

Is it saving/sparing people? The Brandywine took Frodo's parents but spared him? He wasn't in the boat, though.

The Brandywine saves them from the Nazgul?

[Pervinca Took]

1. ERECH is an anagram of 'cheer '

Does the Stone of Erech finally free the Dead?

I can only offer S for endless 'sick,' though. :(

[Urwen]

Hmmm ...

Is it saving/sparing people? The Brandywine took Frodo's parents but spared him? He wasn't in the boat, though.

The Brandywine saves them from the Nazgul?


It is saving people, or rather protecting them.

[Pervinca Took]

Mithril coat! MIRTH, and you wear it! And has the first two letters of ILL in it.

[Urwen]

MITHRIL COAT: 1. Messed up gaiety? Endlessly sick? Something you wear? See it!
CONSPIRATORS: People who are up to no good? Not in this case!
BRANDYWINE: Two drinks form a flower.
4. A movie singer follows direction, and it appears!
AREDHEL: Extremely dry with a vowel shift? Endless aid? Gather these for her.

[Pervinca Took]

Password: MOINA (= safe, secure).

Oh ... and N + ENYA = NENYA, which protects Lothlorien.

Also, was my reasoning for BRANDYWINE correct - protecting the hobbits from the Nazgul?

[Urwen]

Password: MOINA (= safe, secure).

Oh ... and N + ENYA = NENYA, which protects Lothlorien.

Also, was my reasoning for BRANDYWINE correct - protecting the hobbits from the Nazgul?


Yes and yes and yes.

[Urwen]

MITHRIL COAT: Messed up gaiety? Endlessly sick? Something you wear? See it!
CONSPIRATORS: People who are up to no good? Not in this case!
BRANDYWINE: Two drinks form a flower.
NENYA: A movie singer follows direction, and it appears!
AREDHEL: Extremely dry with a vowel shift? Endless aid? Gather these for her.


THEME: PEOPLE/PLACES/THINGS THAT PROTECTED SOMETHING/SOMEONE FROM HARM

[Urwen]

Over to you.

[Pervinca Took]

Great clues, Urwen, and a very nice idea for a theme. :)

Here you are, then:

1. Edro! Or is it in Mordor's name?
2. Rossetti’s gentle exhortation. Or does it concern a looking-glass?
3. Uttered in Lothlorien. ‘Tis a winding path.
4. To do this or not is the question, thought Iluvatar.
5. I wonder, perplexed, at this urgency!
6. Pinter’s, Werenowska’s or Buffini’s? Whichever! Uttered by one at the Morannon.

EDIT: SO SORRY! I HAD MISSED OUT CLUE 1!

[Huinesoron]

3. "EA!" is glossed as "be" or "to be" (I guess it's an imperative)

5. Harold Pinter is a playwright; I vaguely remember doing something of his, but can't place what. It appears Nicola Werenowska is too, and they each have a play called "SILENCE"; I'm guessing that's a Gollum line.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. Edro! Or is it in Mordor's name?
2. Rossetti’s gentle exhortation. Or does it concern a looking-glass?
3. Uttered in Lothlorien. ‘Tis a winding path.
EA! To do this or not is the question, thought Iluvatar.
5. I wonder, perplexed, at this urgency!
SILENCE! Pinter’s, Werenowska’s or Buffini’s? Whichever! Uttered by one at the Morannon.

So has Buffini ... the only one I've seen! Great play. I only found out the other two had written a play with the same name when I googled to check the author.

'Silence!' is what Gandalf sternly says to Pippin when he springs forward with a cry of grief at the sight of Frodo's mithril coat. That is at the Morannon, I think?

First letters. Red when I have time. Lunch going cold!

EDIT: SO SORRY! I HAD MISSED OUT CLUE 1!

ANOTHER EDIT: hS, maybe you studied The Caretaker, or The Homecoming?

[Huinesoron]

All-New All-Different #1: "OPEN! In the name of Mordor!"

Are we on exclamations in general, or specifically imperatives?

hS

[Pervinca Took]

All-New All-Different #1: "OPEN! In the name of Mordor!"

Are we on exclamations in general, or specifically imperatives?

hS

Trickssssssy, trying to get two guessesses in one possssst. ;)

Only kidding.

The latter.

[Pervinca Took]

OPEN! Edro! Or is it in Mordor's name?
2. Rossetti’s gentle exhortation. Or does it concern a looking-glass?
3. Uttered in Lothlorien. ‘Tis a winding path.
EA! To do this or not is the question, thought Iluvatar.
5. I wonder, perplexed, at this urgency!
SILENCE! Pinter’s, Werenowska’s or Buffini’s? Whichever! Uttered by one at the Morannon.

It's imperatives. :)

[Urwen]

2. Amend?

[Pervinca Took]

2. Amend?

Nope.

[Urwen]

What does Rosetti clue mean, then?

[Pervinca Took]

Well, first tell me where you got 'Amend' from, and then I'll tell you if it's the right Rossetti.

[Urwen]

From here: https://books.google.rs/books?id=QjclDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA432&lpg=PA432&dq=rossetti+exhortation&source=bl&ots=aRh7NBSm3B&sig=ACfU3U1AhznmZvofgMcslilgoGGmdogf2Q&hl=sr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiRipCIovbiAhVt16YKHR0ABlYQ6AEwAHoECAgQA Q#v=onepage&q=rossetti%20exhortation&f=false

[Pervinca Took]

Well, right family. But that link mentions more than one of them.

The one you want is female.

[Urwen]

Christina Rossetti?

[Pervinca Took]

Yes. One of my favourite poets. But the clue refers to one of her most famous poems, and also to a particular Tolkien thing/happening.

[Urwen]

Rise?

[Pervinca Took]

That's not a poem I've heard of.

[Urwen]

But it is listed among her poems, according to Google. You would ignore this fact, though.

Anyway, Remember?

[Pervinca Took]

No, I would not ignore it. I have an extremely thick book containing all of her poems. I have read most of them, but not every single one. And I can't remember every single one. There are hundreds of them.

'Remember' is the right answer, but can you explain the Tolkien reference?

[Pervinca Took]

OPEN! Edro! Or is it in Mordor's name?
REMEMBER: Rossetti’s gentle exhortation. Or does it concern a looking-glass?
3. Uttered in Lothlorien. ‘Tis a winding path.
EA! To do this or not is the question, thought Iluvatar.
5. I wonder, perplexed, at this urgency!
SILENCE! Pinter’s, Werenowska’s or Buffini’s? Whichever! Uttered by one at the Morannon.


REMEMBER

BY CHRISTINA ROSSETTI

Remember me when I am gone away,
Gone far away into the silent land;
When you can no more hold me by the hand,
Nor I half turn to go yet turning stay.
Remember me when no more day by day
You tell me of our future that you plann'd:
Only remember me; you understand
It will be late to counsel then or pray.
Yet if you should forget me for a while
And afterwards remember, do not grieve:
For if the darkness and corruption leave
A vestige of the thoughts that once I had,
Better by far you should forget and smile
Than that you should remember and be sad.


...

A very famous sonnet, often read at funerals. I'm old enough to have been to quite a few funerals, and I've read it at at least 2.

Often incorrectly named 'Remember Me.'

[Urwen]

Remember, remember, the draining of the well
When Feanor went insane, and all went to hell

[Urwen]

Password: Orders

[Pervinca Took]

Remember, remember, the draining of the well
When Feanor went insane, and all went to hell

No.

"Remember Galadriel and her mirror."

Hence my 'looking glass' comment.


'Orders' is correct.

[Pervinca Took]

OPEN! Edro! Or is it in Mordor's name?
REMEMBER: Rossetti’s gentle exhortation. Or does it concern a looking-glass?
D: Uttered in Lothlorien. ‘Tis a winding path.
EA! To do this or not is the question, thought Iluvatar.
R: I wonder, perplexed, at this urgency!
SILENCE! Pinter’s, Werenowska’s or Buffini’s? Whichever! Uttered by one at the Morannon.


REMEMBER

BY CHRISTINA ROSSETTI

Remember me when I am gone away,
Gone far away into the silent land;
When you can no more hold me by the hand,
Nor I half turn to go yet turning stay.
Remember me when no more day by day
You tell me of our future that you plann'd:
Only remember me; you understand
It will be late to counsel then or pray.
Yet if you should forget me for a while
And afterwards remember, do not grieve:
For if the darkness and corruption leave
A vestige of the thoughts that once I had,
Better by far you should forget and smile
Than that you should remember and be sad.


...

A very famous sonnet, often read at funerals. I'm old enough to have been to quite a few funerals, and I've read it at at least 2.

Often incorrectly named 'Remember Me.'

[Urwen]

No.

"Remember Galadriel and her mirror."

Hence my 'looking glass' comment.


'Orders' is correct.


So I am no allowed to make a joke.....? :(

[Pervinca Took]

OPEN! Edro! Or is it in Mordor's name?
REMEMBER: Rossetti’s gentle exhortation. Or does it concern a looking-glass?
D: Uttered in Lothlorien. ‘Tis a winding path.
EA! To do this or not is the question, thought Iluvatar.
R: I wonder, perplexed, at this urgency!
SILENCE! Pinter’s, Werenowska’s or Buffini’s? Whichever! Uttered by one at the Morannon.

[Pervinca Took]

So I am no allowed to make a joke.....? :(

Of course you are!

It would have been nice to see the looking glass bit guessed, though.

[Pervinca Took]

Remember, remember, the draining of the well
When Feanor went insane, and all went to hell

I think Feanor probably lost the plot quite a while before wells were even invented.

[Urwen]

Daro (From Road), for 3.

[Urwen]

I think Feanor probably lost the plot quite a while before wells were even invented.


Oh no, I am sure that the wells Ungoliant drank from were around long before he was even born.

[Pervinca Took]

OPEN! Edro! Or is it in Mordor's name?
REMEMBER: Rossetti’s gentle exhortation. Or does it concern a looking-glass?
DARO! Uttered in Lothlorien. ‘Tis a winding path.
EA! To do this or not is the question, thought Iluvatar.
R: I wonder, perplexed, at this urgency!
SILENCE! Pinter’s, Werenowska’s or Buffini’s? Whichever! Uttered by one at the Morannon.

[Urwen]

Ride for the last one?

[Pervinca Took]

Nearly.

I thought of using RIDE from Glorfindel's order to Frodo. But that's only in the BBC radio version. In the book, it's FLY.

Actually, is it FLY then RIDE in both versions? I think it might be.

...

Anyway, the answer is a bit more than ride, and is from LOTR, but a different part.

[Urwen]

Ride now to Gondor?

[Pervinca Took]

OPEN! Edro! Or is it in Mordor's name?
REMEMBER: Rossetti’s gentle exhortation. Or does it concern a looking-glass?
DARO! Uttered in Lothlorien. ‘Tis a winding path.
EA! To do this or not is the question, thought Iluvatar.
RIDE NOW! I wonder, perplexed, at this urgency!
SILENCE! Pinter’s, Werenowska’s or Buffini’s? Whichever! Uttered by one at the Morannon.

RIDE NOW = anagram of I WONDER.

Over to you!

[Urwen]

Thanks, I have an idea, but it's unfinished. Will post it as soon as I figure out what the last answer should be.

[Pervinca Took]

Cool! Look forward to it. :)

[Urwen]

1. Endless French valley in a muddle, briefly surrounded by global mod? There he is!
2. Muddled defects reveal him
3. Note, stern he is.
4. To shine? It turns for him
5. Noisy, with direction? See him!
6. Related to fungus he is, after a spin.

[Pervinca Took]

3. Grim + a?

[Urwen]

1. Endless French valley in a muddle, briefly surrounded by global mod? There he is!
2. Muddled defects reveal him
GRIMA: Note, stern he is.
4. To shine? It turns for him
5. Noisy, in a spin, with direction? See him!
6. Related to fungus he is, after a spin.

[Pervinca Took]

Is the endless French valley LOIR again, and is it OLORIN?

If the 'global mod' thing is something to do with gaming, I will never get it.

[Urwen]

Is the endless French valley LOIR again, and is it OLORIN?

If the 'global mod' thing is something to do with gaming, I will never get it.


Yes, it's LOIR. Try abbreviating 'global mod', surround LOIR with these letters, and what do you see?

[Urwen]

2. Think synonym for 'defects' and rearrange it.
4. ;)
5. Think synonym for 'noisy' and add one of six direction letters.
6. What's the other word for 'of fungus'?

[Pervinca Took]

5. ULDOR. LOUD + R.

6. Fungoid?

Is it people who are (ac)cursed?

[Urwen]

Yes, and no and no.

[Urwen]

1. Endless French valley in a muddle, briefly surrounded by global mod? There he is!
2. Muddled defects reveal him
GRIMA: Note, stern he is.
4. To shine? It turns for him
ULDOR: Noisy, in a spin, with direction? See him!
6. Related to fungus he is, after a spin.

[Pervinca Took]

ANGROD for the password?

[Urwen]

Nope.

[Pervinca Took]

Aegnor?

[Urwen]

I'll show you what I mean for #1

G+LOIR+M.

Do you see it yet?

[Urwen]

Aegnor?


Nope.

[Pervinca Took]

1. Gorlim.

G + m + loir.

[Pervinca Took]

I'll show you what I mean for #1

G+LOIR+M.

Do you see it yet?

I posted Gorlim before seeing this.

[Pervinca Took]

RAGNOR for the password?

[Urwen]

Nope.

GORLIM: Endless French valley in a muddle, briefly surrounded by global mod? There he is!
2. Muddled defects reveal him
GRIMA: Note, stern he is.
4. To shine? It turns for him
ULDOR: Noisy, in a spin, with direction? See him!
6. Related to fungus he is, after a spin.

Try guessing the theme instead.

[Urwen]

Also, I made a mistake with highlighting.

Fixed.

[Pervinca Took]

Girion, perhaps, as I have had no success guessing the theme.

[Urwen]

Nope.

[Pervinca Took]

Just to be able to see it.

Nope.

GORLIM: Endless French valley in a muddle, briefly surrounded by global mod? There he is!
2. Muddled defects reveal him
GRIMA: Note, stern he is.
4. To shine? It turns for him
ULDOR: Noisy, in a spin, with direction? See him!
6. Related to fungus he is, after a spin.

Try guessing the theme instead.

Traitors?

[Urwen]

Did you read my hints?

[Pervinca Took]

4. SMEAGOL, if he loses the O, is an anagram of GLEAMS.

I was playing around with flaws/faults and glimmers/gleams/etc/etc way before you posted any hints. I can't find synonyms that work.

[Urwen]

Nope.

[Urwen]

4. SMEAGOL, if he loses the O, is an anagram of GLEAMS.

I was playing around with flaws/faults and glimmers/gleams/etc/etc way before you posted any hints. I can't find synonyms that work.


'Faults' is correct. Play around with it some more.

[Pervinca Took]

Ulfast.

[Urwen]

GORLIM: Endless French valley in a muddle, briefly surrounded by global mod? There he is!
ULFAST: Muddled defects reveal him
GRIMA: Note, stern he is.
4. To shine? It turns for him
ULDOR: Noisy, in a spin, with direction? See him!
6. Related to fungus he is, after a spin.

THEME: TRAITORS

[Urwen]

Here are my hints for 4 and 6 again.

4. ;)

6. What's the other word for 'of fungus'?

There is a reason my hint for 4 is this particular emoji. Think about what the reason could be.

[Pervinca Took]

Is it the Ring that shines?

[Pervinca Took]

Mouldy ... but I could not achieve anything with that.

I believe moldy is the North American spelling, but no luck there either.

[Urwen]

No to the ring, and as for 'of fungus', it's FUNGAL.......


I thought you would realize that, surely.....

[Pervinca Took]

No, because Tolkien himself used the adjective FUNGOID. So I didn't think of fungal.

ULFANG, then.

[Urwen]

GORLIM: Endless French valley in a muddle, briefly surrounded by global mod? There he is!
ULFAST: Muddled defects reveal him
GRIMA: Note, stern he is.
4. To shine? It turns for him
ULDOR: Noisy, in a spin, with direction? See him!
ULFANG: Related to fungus he is, after a spin.

THEME: TRAITORS

Only one left. If you need a hint, it's there.

(By the way, I have immortalized my top three favorites: One with username, one with both avatar and signature, and one with location)

[Pervinca Took]

I did guess traitors upthread, though. ;)

[Pervinca Took]

GURGOF for the password (elvish for traitor).

[Urwen]

GORLIM: Endless French valley in a muddle, briefly surrounded by global mod? There he is!
ULFAST: Muddled defects reveal him
GRIMA: Note, stern he is.
??G??: To shine? It turns for him
ULDOR: Noisy, in a spin, with direction? See him!
ULFANG: Related to fungus he is, after a spin.

THEME: TRAITORS

[Pervinca Took]

Is the last one Maeglin? ;)

Gleamin' ?

[Urwen]

GORLIM: Endless French valley in a muddle, briefly surrounded by global mod? There he is!
ULFAST: Muddled defects reveal him
GRIMA: Note, stern he is.
MAEGLIN: To shine? It turns for him
ULDOR: Noisy, in a spin, with direction? See him!
ULFANG: Related to fungus he is, after a spin.

THEME: TRAITORS

[Urwen]

And now, over to you. And somehow, my themes keep drifting in that direction lately. He sunk his claws into my heart and he doesn't let go.

[Pervinca Took]

I have 3 puzzles ready at home. I'll post one tonight, when I get in.

Thanks for teaching me a new word. :)

And well done for producing another themed password. :)

[Urwen]

Well, I try.

[Pervinca Took]

Here we go again, then:

1. A little town, a dwarf, a lost path and one Master of Ceremonies combine – however tumultuously – for him.
2. She’s like a country in turmoil.
3. He confuses the French king.
4. A wilder roar than that will bring him.
5. Vegetable changes vowels and is blended for him.
6. It takes three paths, a sheep, and great unrest to find her.
7. See a Dark Elf gallivant around for him!
8. See him suffer lashes, initially, then chaos.
9. Policemen’s chorus loses order and sailor for him.
10. How the toga’d ones were toga’d, he shows, if chaotically.
11. For this, Petrarch’s muse, (here unsung), meets one who brought us a shieldmaiden, (we hear).
12. With seven pushbacks, it sounds like a seventies serial might cede a fragrant one for a bun fight.

[Urwen]

2. Rian, from Iran?

[Urwen]

There are only two people called Dark Elf: Eol and Maeglin......

[Urwen]

6. Elenwe (EWE+L+N+E)

[Pervinca Took]

1. A little town, a dwarf, a lost path and one Master of Ceremonies combine – however tumultuously – for him.
RIAN: She’s like a country in turmoil.
3. He confuses the French king.
4. A wilder roar than that will bring him.
5. Vegetable changes vowels and is blended for him.
ELENWE: It takes three paths, a sheep, and great unrest to find her.
7. See a Dark Elf gallivant around for him!
8. See him suffer lashes, initially, then chaos.
9. Policemen’s chorus loses order and sailor for him.
10. How the toga’d ones were toga’d, he shows, if chaotically.
11. For this, Petrarch’s muse, (here unsung), meets one who brought us a shieldmaiden, (we hear).
12. With seven pushbacks, it sounds like a seventies serial might cede a fragrant one for a bun fight.

[Urwen]

5. Tuor (Root-O+U)

[Urwen]

For the French king clue, is it some specific King, or just a French translation for the king?


For the Dark Elf clue, is it Eol/Maeglin, or am I off the mark entirely?

[Pervinca Took]

5. Tuor (Root-O+U)

No, you need to take an actual vegetable, not a root, and change both its vowels.

You're on the right track for Dark Elf.

Why not try the French for king?

[Urwen]

Is it Eorl again?

[Pervinca Took]

Is it Eorl again?

No. Only 'around' is the anagram indicator. You need a synonym for 'gallivant.'

[Urwen]

Roam?

[Urwen]

3. Ori, from Roi?

[Pervinca Took]

1. A little town, a dwarf, a lost path and one Master of Ceremonies combine – however tumultuously – for him.
RIAN: She’s like a country in turmoil.
ORI: He confuses the French king.
4. A wilder roar than that will bring him.
5. Vegetable changes vowels and is blended for him.
ELENWE: It takes three paths, a sheep, and great unrest to find her.
7. See a Dark Elf gallivant around for him!
8. See him suffer lashes, initially, then chaos.
9. Policemen’s chorus loses order and sailor for him.
10. How the toga’d ones were toga’d, he shows, if chaotically.
11. For this, Petrarch’s muse, (here unsung), meets one who brought us a shieldmaiden, (we hear).
12. With seven pushbacks, it sounds like a seventies serial might cede a fragrant one for a bun fight.

I don't know where you got ROAM from, but it isn't right.

[Urwen]

I don't know where you got ROAM from, but it isn't right.


I got it from here: https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/gallivant?s=t

[Urwen]

11. Laurelin (Laura-A+Elin)

[Pervinca Took]

1. A little town, a dwarf, a lost path and one Master of Ceremonies combine – however tumultuously – for him.
RIAN: She’s like a country in turmoil.
ORI: He confuses the French king.
4. A wilder roar than that will bring him.
5. Vegetable changes vowels and is blended for him.
ELENWE: It takes three paths, a sheep, and great unrest to find her.
7. See a Dark Elf gallivant around for him!
8. See him suffer lashes, initially, then chaos.
9. Policemen’s chorus loses order and sailor for him.
10. How the toga’d ones were toga’d, he shows, if chaotically.
LAURELIN: For this, Petrarch’s muse, (here unsung), meets one who brought us a shieldmaiden, (we hear).
12. With seven pushbacks, it sounds like a seventies serial might cede a fragrant one for a bun fight.

Well done! Elin Jenkins brought us a wonderful Eowyn, which we heard on the radio.

Ah, I see. You need a different synonym for 'gallivant,' though. It jmplies more than wandering ... also being carefree and maybe irresponsible.

[Urwen]

Vagabond?

[Pervinca Took]

No, it's a verb.

[Urwen]

Gad?

[Urwen]

Also, I don't know what to make of #1 either, and do you have time to make a new riddle for riddle game?

[Pervinca Took]

1. A little town, a dwarf, a lost path and one Master of Ceremonies combine – however tumultuously – for him.
RIAN: She’s like a country in turmoil.
ORI: He confuses the French king.
4. A wilder roar than that will bring him.
5. Vegetable changes vowels and is blended for him.
ELENWE: It takes three paths, a sheep, and great unrest to find her.
7. See a Dark Elf gallivant around for him!
8. See him suffer lashes, initially, then chaos.
9. Policemen’s chorus loses order and sailor for him.
10. How the toga’d ones were toga’d, he shows, if chaotically.
LAURELIN: For this, Petrarch’s muse, (here unsung), meets one who brought us a shieldmaiden, (we hear).
12. With seven pushbacks, it sounds like a seventies serial might cede a fragrant one for a bun fight.

GAD is correct, and you have the other element.

Has hS said it's my turn yet? I thought he wanted all the seven rivers.

Leave 1 for now. There are easier ones to solve.

[Urwen]

Except there is no character name comprised solely of Gad + Eol, or at least Tolkien gateway shows none.

[Pervinca Took]

Oh yes there is.

Get out a spoon and stir it.

[Urwen]

Oh, I see. Deagol?

[Urwen]

Suffer lashes initially = SL

[Pervinca Took]

1. A little town, a dwarf, a lost path and one Master of Ceremonies combine – however tumultuously – for him.
RIAN: She’s like a country in turmoil.
ORI: He confuses the French king.
4. A wilder roar than that will bring him.
5. Vegetable changes vowels and is blended for him.
ELENWE: It takes three paths, a sheep, and great unrest to find her.
DEAGOL: See a Dark Elf gallivant around for him!
8. See him suffer lashes, initially, then chaos.
9. Policemen’s chorus loses order and sailor for him.
10. How the toga’d ones were toga’d, he shows, if chaotically.
LAURELIN: For this, Petrarch’s muse, (here unsung), meets one who brought us a shieldmaiden, (we hear).
12. With seven pushbacks, it sounds like a seventies serial might cede a fragrant one for a bun fight.

You only need one of those initials, Urwen.

Leave 1 for now. There are easier ones to solve.

[Urwen]

So it must be L.

[Urwen]

Is it deceased people/things? If so, 12 must be Telperion.

[Pervinca Took]

Is it deceased people/things? If so, 12 must be Telperion.

Yes, more or less, but 12 isn't Telperion.

Yes, L is the right initial.

[Urwen]

L+Writhe, L+Ail, L+Get, L+Hurt, L+Undergo, L+Ache?

[Pervinca Took]

Only undergo, out of those, is really a synonym of suffer.

And not the right one, unfortunately.

[Urwen]

Only undergo, out of those, is really a synonym of suffer.

And not the right one, unfortunately.


This link says otherwise: https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/suffer


Maybe L+Bear, then?

[Pervinca Took]

Well, the link is wrong.

'Bear' is closer.

[Urwen]

Endure?

[Pervinca Took]

The website you are using gives related words, or words in the same semantic field. They are often the wrong part of speech to be a synonym.

Or, for instance, to 'writhe' is something you might *do* if you were suffering, but it doesn't *mean* to suffer.

I have tried that website before, but for the reasons above I find it far better to type the word into Google, add the word 'synonyms,' and press 'Enter.'

[Pervinca Took]

Endure?

Correct!

[Urwen]

There is no character named Lendure......

[Pervinca Took]

No, there isn't.

You are ignoring an essential word of the clue.

[Urwen]

Chaos means anagram, no?

[Pervinca Took]

Of course!

[Urwen]

Elendur (Endure + L)

[Pervinca Took]

1. A little town, a dwarf, a lost path and one Master of Ceremonies combine – however tumultuously – for him.
RIAN: She’s like a country in turmoil.
ORI: He confuses the French king.
4. A wilder roar than that will bring him.
5. Vegetable changes vowels and is blended for him.
ELENWE: It takes three paths, a sheep, and great unrest to find her.
DEAGOL: See a Dark Elf gallivant around for him!
ELENDUR: See him suffer lashes, initially, then chaos.
9. Policemen’s chorus loses order and sailor for him.
10. How the toga’d ones were toga’d, he shows, if chaotically.
LAURELIN: For this, Petrarch’s muse, (here unsung), meets one who brought us a shieldmaiden, (we hear).
12. With seven pushbacks, it sounds like a seventies serial might cede a fragrant one for a bun fight.

THEME: UNTIMELY DEATHS

[Urwen]

Which ones should I tackle next?

[Pervinca Took]

Which ones should I tackle next?

I think 4 is quite easy.

And 10 is one I've used before, with a similar clue, if you want to use the 'Search' function again.

[Urwen]

The 'clad in Rome' thing for Romendacil?

[Urwen]

and for 4, is a synonym of 'roar' what is needed?

[Pervinca Took]

and for 4, is a synonym of 'roar' what is needed?

No. Look for an anagram indicator.

[Pervinca Took]

1. A little town, a dwarf, a lost path and one Master of Ceremonies combine – however tumultuously – for him.
RIAN: She’s like a country in turmoil.
ORI: He confuses the French king.
4. A wilder roar than that will bring him.
5. Vegetable changes vowels and is blended for him.
ELENWE: It takes three paths, a sheep, and great unrest to find her.
DEAGOL: See a Dark Elf gallivant around for him!
ELENDUR: See him suffer lashes, initially, then chaos.
9. Policemen’s chorus loses order and sailor for him.
ROMENDACIL: How the toga’d ones were toga’d, he shows, if chaotically.
LAURELIN: For this, Petrarch’s muse, (here unsung), meets one who brought us a shieldmaiden, (we hear).
12. With seven pushbacks, it sounds like a seventies serial might cede a fragrant one for a bun fight.

THEME: UNTIMELY DEATHS

[Urwen]

Wilder is an anagram indicator?

[Pervinca Took]

Yes.

[Urwen]

But you said we don't need a synonym for 'roar' either.

[Pervinca Took]

You don't.

[Urwen]

So it's something like Rora, or Orar, or Aror......

[Pervinca Took]

Not enough letters.

[Urwen]

There are only roar and an anagram indicator in a clue.....if there are more clues, I don't get the meaning of those.

[Pervinca Took]

Try including the word after 'roar.'

[Urwen]

4. Arathorn (ROAR+THAN)

[Pervinca Took]

1. A little town, a dwarf, a lost path and one Master of Ceremonies combine – however tumultuously – for him.
RIAN: She’s like a country in turmoil.
ORI: He confuses the French king.
ARATHORN: A wilder roar than that will bring him.
5. Vegetable changes vowels and is blended for him.
ELENWE: It takes three paths, a sheep, and great unrest to find her.
DEAGOL: See a Dark Elf gallivant around for him!
ELENDUR: See him suffer lashes, initially, then chaos.
9. Policemen’s chorus loses order and sailor for him.
ROMENDACIL: How the toga’d ones were toga’d, he shows, if chaotically.
LAURELIN: For this, Petrarch’s muse, (here unsung), meets one who brought us a shieldmaiden, (we hear).
12. With seven pushbacks, it sounds like a seventies serial might cede a fragrant one for a bun fight.

THEME: UNTIMELY DEATHS

[Urwen]

Could I get some hints now?

[Pervinca Took]

1. A little town, a dwarf, a lost path and one Master of Ceremonies combine – however tumultuously – for him.
RIAN: She’s like a country in turmoil.
ORI: He confuses the French king.
ARATHORN: A wilder roar than that will bring him.
5. Vegetable changes vowels and is blended for him.
ELENWE: It takes three paths, a sheep, and great unrest to find her.
DEAGOL: See a Dark Elf gallivant around for him!
ELENDUR: See him suffer lashes, initially, then chaos.
9. Policemen’s chorus loses order and sailor for him.
ROMENDACIL: How the toga’d ones were toga’d, he shows, if chaotically.
LAURELIN: For this, Petrarch’s muse, (here unsung), meets one who brought us a shieldmaiden, (we hear).
12. With seven pushbacks, it sounds like a seventies serial might cede a fragrant one for a bun fight.

THEME: UNTIMELY DEATHS

9. Look for a chorus sung by policemen in a Gilbert and Sullivan operetta. Or rather, an expression repeated a lot in a chorus they sing.

5. Try some vegetables with short names.

[Urwen]

Policeman's lot is not a happy one? Or just Policeman's lot?

[Pervinca Took]

Policeman's lot is not a happy one? Or just Policeman's lot?

Not that song. There's another song they sing. Same operetta, though.

[Urwen]

Can't find any other song. :/

[Pervinca Took]

Ah ... apologies.

Also in ' The Pirates Of Penzance' is a song called 'When The Foeman Bares His Steel.'

The 'words' TARAN TARA are sung after nearly every line and also repeatedly as a chorus. I thought they would appear as part of the lyrics when the lyrics appear typed up, but (at least, in the first place I found them, just now) they don't.

[Huinesoron]

Ah ... apologies.

Also in ' The Pirates Of Penzance' is a song called 'When The Foeman Bares His Steel.'

The 'words' TARAN TARA are sung after nearly every line and also repeatedly as a chorus. I thought they would appear as part of the lyrics when the lyrics appear typed up, but (at least, in the first place I found them, just now) they don't.

Well, if there was another N, removing TAR (=sailor) would give ANNATAR. Who I suppose can be said to have died untimely, since he wasn't supposed to die at all.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

He didn't absolutely, completely die, though, did he? Although he was reduced to a sort of impotent shadow.

Big clue: one of his brothers has already been guessed.

[Urwen]

9. Aratan?

[Pervinca Took]

1. A little town, a dwarf, a lost path and one Master of Ceremonies combine – however tumultuously – for him.
RIAN: She’s like a country in turmoil.
ORI: He confuses the French king.
ARATHORN: A wilder roar than that will bring him.
5. Vegetable changes vowels and is blended for him.
ELENWE: It takes three paths, a sheep, and great unrest to find her.
DEAGOL: See a Dark Elf gallivant around for him!
ELENDUR: See him suffer lashes, initially, then chaos.
ARATAN: Policemen’s chorus loses order and sailor for him.
ROMENDACIL: How the toga’d ones were toga’d, he shows, if chaotically.
LAURELIN: For this, Petrarch’s muse, (here unsung), meets one who brought us a shieldmaiden, (we hear).
12. With seven pushbacks, it sounds like a seventies serial might cede a fragrant one for a bun fight.

THEME: UNTIMELY DEATHS

That's him!

[Urwen]

I reckon that 1 and 12 are the hardest, so some hints for those?

[Urwen]

The second word of the password is DEARLY, but cannot piece together the first.

[Pervinca Took]

It doesn't end in 'dearly.'

12. Look up British 70's serials ... one has a middle word that is echoed in the clue.

It's not Poldark (only one word).

Not 'The Forsyte Saga' (think that might be late sixties anyway).

Not 'Upstairs Downstairs' (no middle word!)

I think it was played in the daytime, not the evening.

[Urwen]

Any of these: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:1970s_British_television_series

[Pervinca Took]

Not my job to look through a list.

[Pervinca Took]

Besides, most if not all of those aren't even serials!

Not series. SERIALS. DRAMA SERIALS.

[Urwen]

The Cedar Tree? Cede sounds a bit like Cedar, and it is fragrant.

[Mithalwen]

Forsyte Saga was late sixties-the original anyway. Was in black and white! My mum watched the Cedar tree when I was very young. It was an afternoon thing. Can’t solve clue though.

[Pervinca Took]

You start with THE CEDAR TREE. Then you have to 'cede' the most fragrant word of it, and replace it with one that means the same as a bun fight.

[Urwen]

12. The Party Tree?

[Pervinca Took]

1. A little town, a dwarf, a lost path and one Master of Ceremonies combine – however tumultuously – for him.
RIAN: She’s like a country in turmoil.
ORI: He confuses the French king.
ARATHORN: A wilder roar than that will bring him.
5. Vegetable changes vowels and is blended for him.
ELENWE: It takes three paths, a sheep, and great unrest to find her.
DEAGOL: See a Dark Elf gallivant around for him!
ELENDUR: See him suffer lashes, initially, then chaos.
ARATAN: Policemen’s chorus loses order and sailor for him.
ROMENDACIL: How the toga’d ones were toga’d, he shows, if chaotically.
LAURELIN: For this, Petrarch’s muse, (here unsung), meets one who brought us a shieldmaiden, (we hear).
THE PARTY TREE: With seven pushbacks, it sounds like a seventies serial might cede a fragrant one for a bun fight.

THEME: UNTIMELY DEATHS

And seven pushbacks would result in the Y lining up with the other red letters.

(I pinched the term 'pushbacks' from a game show called 'The Chase.')

[Urwen]

But you said that the second word isn't DEARLY.....:eek:

[Pervinca Took]

It isn't. :D

[Urwen]

Can I finally get a hint for #1?

[Pervinca Took]

All right.

He's an elf.

Put some elements together and see what you come up with.

[Urwen]

Let's see


Celebrimbor? (Bree+Ori+MC+L)

[Urwen]

And he fits with the password too, which is CROAKED EARLY

[Pervinca Took]

CELEBRIMBOR: A little town, a dwarf, a lost path and one Master of Ceremonies combine – however tumultuously – for him.
RIAN: She’s like a country in turmoil.
ORI: He confuses the French king.
ARATHORN: A wilder roar than that will bring him.
K: Vegetable changes vowels and is blended for him.
ELENWE: It takes three paths, a sheep, and great unrest to find her.
DEAGOL: See a Dark Elf gallivant around for him!
ELENDUR: See him suffer lashes, initially, then chaos.
ARATAN: Policemen’s chorus loses order and sailor for him.
ROMENDACIL: How the toga’d ones were toga’d, he shows, if chaotically.
LAURELIN: For this, Petrarch’s muse, (here unsung), meets one who brought us a shieldmaiden, (we hear).
THE PARTY TREE: With seven pushbacks, it sounds like a seventies serial might cede a fragrant one for a bun fight.

THEME: UNTIMELY DEATHS

(They all 'croaked early' or before their time).

Now ... how about the remaining clue? ;)

P.S. Right end result, if not quite the right method. Yours only provides one B!

It's BREE + BORIN - N + IMC. :)

[Urwen]

When kale changes vowels, we get Kili. What a suprise!

[Urwen]

P.S: Try solving my riddle?

[Urwen]

It's BREE + BORIN - N + IMC. :)


Actually, that gives us two Is, and there is only one in Celebrimbor.

[Pervinca Took]

Oh yes. Well, an MC, then. And I should have put 'changes path,' because we need an L.

The vegetable I had in mind was LEEK. BLENDED is an anagram indicator. Kale doesn't need one

[Pervinca Took]

CELEBRIMBOR: A little town, a dwarf, a lost path and one Master of Ceremonies combine – however tumultuously – for him.
RIAN: She’s like a country in turmoil.
ORI: He confuses the French king.
ARATHORN: A wilder roar than that will bring him.
KILI: Vegetable changes vowels and is blended for him.
ELENWE: It takes three paths, a sheep, and great unrest to find her.
DEAGOL: See a Dark Elf gallivant around for him!
ELENDUR: See him suffer lashes, initially, then chaos.
ARATAN: Policemen’s chorus loses order and sailor for him.
ROMENDACIL: How the toga’d ones were toga’d, he shows, if chaotically.
LAURELIN: For this, Petrarch’s muse, (here unsung), meets one who brought us a shieldmaiden, (we hear).
THE PARTY TREE: With seven pushbacks, it sounds like a seventies serial might cede a fragrant one for a bun fight.

THEME: UNTIMELY DEATHS

(They all 'croaked early' or before their time).

Over to Urwen!

[Urwen]

I'll post one later today.


Also, try solving my riddle, please?

[Pervinca Took]

I'll post one later today.


Also, try solving my riddle, please?

I'm at work, Urwen! Later.

[Urwen]

Here's a new one, hope you enjoy it. Also, I seem to be running out of unused themes......

1. A befuddled dwarf amid two notes reveals him.
2. A dwarf changes vowels for him.
3. Sturdy within untruth? It returns for him.
4. Greek 17th, in a spin, receives the vowel for him.
5. A german note precedes destruction in a spin for him.
6. He sounds like you're gone after tea.

[Pervinca Took]

3. EORL, from ROLE.

[Urwen]

1. A befuddled dwarf amid two notes reveals him.
2. A dwarf changes vowels for him.
3. Sturdy within untruth? It returns for him.
4. Greek 17th, in a spin, receives the vowel for him.
5. A german note precedes destruction in a spin for him.
6. He sounds like you're gone after tea.

[Urwen]

Actually, this password lacks an important letter.....

[Urwen]

This has been fixed, but I had to alter two of the clues for this.

[Pervinca Took]

5. Hurin (h + ruin).

[Pervinca Took]

1. A befuddled dwarf amid two notes reveals him.
2. A dwarf changes vowels for him.
3. Sturdy within untruth? It returns for him.
4. Greek 17th, in a spin, receives the vowel for him.
5. A german note precedes destruction in a spin for him.
6. He sounds like you're gone after tea.

So we can see it.

[Pervinca Took]

4. Huor. Rho + u.

[Pervinca Took]

6. T - ur - gon.

[Urwen]

1. A befuddled dwarf amid two notes reveals him.
2. A dwarf changes vowels for him.
3. Sturdy within untruth? It returns for him.
HUOR: Greek 17th, in a spin, receives the vowel for him.
HURIN: A german note precedes destruction in a spin for him.
TURGON: He sounds like you're gone after tea.

[Pervinca Took]

2. BEREN, from BORIN?

[Urwen]

1. A befuddled dwarf amid two notes reveals him.
BEREN: A dwarf changes vowels for him.
3. Sturdy within untruth? It returns for him.
HUOR: Greek 17th, in a spin, receives the vowel for him.
HURIN: A german note precedes destruction in a spin for him.
TURGON: He sounds like you're gone after tea.

[Pervinca Took]

3. EDRAHIL?

HARD within LIE, all backwards?

[Urwen]

1. A befuddled dwarf amid two notes reveals him.
BEREN: A dwarf changes vowels for him.
EDRAHIL: Sturdy within untruth? It returns for him.
HUOR: Greek 17th, in a spin, receives the vowel for him.
HURIN: A german note precedes destruction in a spin for him.
TURGON: He sounds like you're gone after tea.

[Pervinca Took]

1. Nori + f + d = Finrod?