Password

[The Saucepan Man]

No, no and no.

Welcome to the Downs and to the Quiz Room, by the way, Celebrian and Usta Salque. I hope that you enjoy yourselves here. I moderate here and in the Quotable Quotes forum so, if you have any questions, feel free to PM (private message) me. smilies/smile.gif

[The Laurenendorian]

8) Braldagamba?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Aiya, Nilpaurion Felegund! I bend a courtesy/curtsy to thee.


*clumsy attempt at curtsying ends up tearing the curtains*
*stands up, pretend nothing's happened*

quote:
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Is password acquired in the normal fashion?
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You'll have to wait and see.



What?! You just violated 17 international treaties on "Password" games!

My guesses, right.

6. Aglarond or Helm's Deep? How about Paths of the Dead or Dwimorberg?

[Finwe]

4) Himring?

[The Saucepan Man]

Good answer, The Laurenendorian, but it's not the one that I'm looking for. The actual answer is not so clever - it's more of a pun. smilies/rolleyes.gif

What?! You just violated 17 international treaties on "Password" games!


So sue me. smilies/tongue.gif smilies/biggrin.gif

Still not there on #6, Nilpaurion. You're all thinking too literally on this one. smilies/evil.gif

Himring's not correct for #4 either, I'm afraid, Finwe. This one requires a bit of translation.

Carry on solving, folks ... smilies/smile.gif

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

quote:
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What?! You just violated 17 international treaties on "Password" games!

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So sue me.


Taunt me now, but prepare to face 12,492 charges of conspiracy to hide Password... smilies/evil.gif ...I think they carry a minimum sentence of life inprisonment to the Prison of Metallic Structures and Stuff. smilies/biggrin.gif smilies/tongue.gif smilies/evil.gif

4. Umbar!
5. Shelob?
6. Vales of Anduin???

[ 8:57 PM December 04, 2003: Message edited by: Nilpaurion Felagund ]

[The Saucepan Man]

Keep guessing. smilies/biggrin.gif

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

No way! Umbar is not number 4's answer?

Anywhen...
4. Lond Daer?
5. Gothmog?
6. Calenardhon? or Rohan?
8. Rorimac? or Old Rory?

[Finwe]

4) Eambar?

[The Saucepan Man]

No. None of those are correct, I'm afraid.

I'll repeat the clues here for ease of reference:

1. Bag End (Hole in bottom of sack.)
2. Olog-Hai (Superior troops may avoid being petrified in battle.)
3. Beorn (Magician found in Combe or near Archet.)
4. Doomed ocean fortress.
5. Evil one gives love-bite, by the sound of it.
6. Horse lord said to have come to an end at this place.
7. Walda (King reverses commercial edict.)
8. A Hobbit who can take his drink?
9. Orrostar (Headless swordsman and main attraction from Eastern land.)

And now some more hints:

#4 is not a place. Finwe was on the right track with Eambar.

#5 is a bit silly, but what title for an evil one might sound like someone who gives love-bites?

#6 is the name of a horse lord, not a place where one died. The second part of the clue is cryptic.

As for #8, the correct hobbit's surname, and his grandfather, have been given. I'm just looking for another name for him - one that fits in with the "punnish" clue.

Hope that helps. smilies/smile.gif

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 8:59 PM December 07, 2003: Message edited by: The Saucepan Man ]

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Aaah! 4 is Alcarondas!!!

Double aaah! 6 is Dunhere!!!

Triple aaah! 8 is Holdwine!!!

Quadruple aaah!!! The password eludes me!!!

What method of encryption did you use, Sauce? C'mon, tell us!!!

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 1:42 AM December 08, 2003: Message edited by: Nilpaurion Felagund ]

[Arestevana]

Is the password Aldudénië?

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 5:10 PM December 08, 2003: Message edited by: Arestevana ]

[Finwe]

6) Herufara?

[The Saucepan Man]

Well done, Nilpaurion. Your frustration has not been in vain. smilies/biggrin.gif

1. Bag End (Hole in bottom of sack.)
2. Olog-Hai (Superior troops may avoid being petrified in battle.)
3. Beorn (Magician found in Combe or near Archet.)
4. Alcarondas (Doomed ocean fortress.)
5. Evil one gives love-bite, by the sound of it.
6. Dunhere (Horse lord said to have come to an end at this place.)
7. Walda (King reverses commercial edict.)
8. Holdwine (A Hobbit who can take his drink?)
9. Orrostar (Headless swordsman and main attraction from Eastern land.)

So that just leaves #5 and the small matter of the Password. It's not Aldudénië I'm afraid, Arestevana.

The password eludes me!!!

It's a tricksy one. smilies/evil.gif

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I can't find the password: My knowledge of Tolkien's mythos is not yet complete. But to end Sauce's reign of terror smilies/evil.gif , I'll share my ideas.

1. At first, I thought that the second to the last letters form the password. They now form this: NARA_NDRA. No word like that, right. What if you reverse it? ANDR_ARAN. Nothing formed still...

2. Then, I realised that maybe the *fill appropriate adjective* Sauce had used some form of step thing. The most promising? NANO_RAIS. Don't know what that means...

Wait...is the password SIRANNON? smilies/cool.gif

[The Saucepan Man]

Nope. All should be revealed if you get #5 ... smilies/evil.gif

[Finwe]

5) Vampire?

[The Saucepan Man]

No, not a Vampire. But where does a vampire ususually bite his or her victims? The answer sounds like someone who might administer a love-bite there. smilies/rolleyes.gif smilies/biggrin.gif

[Turambar]

smilies/smile.gif He he - the Neck-romancer.

[Celebrian]

5 - Not Tarlang's Neck? Oh, well then

Is the Password Nob ?

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 2:45 PM December 09, 2003: Message edited by: Celebrian ]

[The Saucepan Man]

Bingo! Solved at last.

1. Bag End (Hole in bottom of sack.)
2. Olog-Hai (Superior troops may avoid being petrified in battle.)
3. Beorn (Magician found in Combe or near Archet.)
4. Alcarondas (Doomed ocean fortress.)
5. Necromancer (Evil one gives love-bite, by the sound of it.)
6. Dunhere (Horse lord said to have come to an end at this place.)
7. Walda (King reverses commercial edict.)
8. Holdwine (A Hobbit who can take his drink?)
9. Orrostar (Headless swordsman and main attraction from Eastern land.)

The Password is indeed Nob (the answer to the question posed by the first letters of each answer). Well done, Celebrian. The thread is yours. smilies/smile.gif

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

You are weird, Sauce...you know that? Oh, yes, you must! smilies/tongue.gif smilies/tongue.gif smilies/tongue.gif

[Turambar]

Excellent Password and a great solution.

[Celebrian]

Thank you deeply, The Saucepan Man and Turambar, for your welcome!
*tries to curtsey while sitting on the shoulders of giants*

Edit: A poser-poesy-posey for you as "winter first begins to bite":

One, Gondorian grouping, Butterbur drooping
Two, a monster cache, a place of doom
Three, at this age what angst a tweener would be suffering?
Is four a mound, or stone, a place for bones?
A fifth, a time to be mead a-drinking
The sixth is where there lived an Inkling.
Seven's a remedy for overheating.
Evermind Guess eighth and poser end is soon,
For it is a burial bloom.

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 8:04 AM December 10, 2003: Message edited by: Celebrian ]

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 2:38 PM December 10, 2003: Message edited by: Celebrian ]

[Turambar]

#8 Simbelmynë, or Evermind ?

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 2:28 PM December 10, 2003: Message edited by: Turambar ]

[Celebrian]

Evermind it is, Sir Turamarth!
*offers fresh-baked Rivendell lembas

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 2:35 PM December 10, 2003: Message edited by: Celebrian ]

[The Saucepan Man]

Excellent Password and a great solution.

Why thank you Turambar. smilies/smile.gif

And I like the look of this one, Celebrian. smilies/cool.gif

Is #4 Erech?

[Celebrian]

No, Sir Saucepan, but you have down the theme for Four.

[Turambar]

#2 Great Hall of Thrain ?

#4 Barrow ? Or Stone of the Hapless ?

[Celebrian]

No and no, but you've got the right theme.

[Turambar]

#4 Death Down ?

[Celebrian]

'Tis not...

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

2. Moria?
6. Bag-End?

[Celebrian]

2 is close, 6 is far away
-----
"O! the chimneys there, tall as moon-trees; and the black smoke; and the red furnace fires!"

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 8:44 AM December 11, 2003: Message edited by: Celebrian ]

[Turambar]

#2 Chamber of Mazarbul ?

#6 Oxford? Sandfield Road ?

[Celebrian]

2 still holds its mystery.
6 is indeed Sandfield Road, Turambar!

Reposting for this page:
One, Gondorian grouping, Butterbur drooping
Two, a monster cache, a place of doom: Angband
Three, at this age what angst a tweener would be suffering?: Nwalme, torment
Is four a mound, or stone, a place for bones? : Tombs
A fifth, a time in Bree to be mead a-drinking: Afterlithe, called "Mede" in Bree
The sixth is where there lived an Inkling: Sandfield Road, Oxford
Seven's a remedy for overheating: Isenmouthe
Guess eighth and poser end is soon, for it is a burial bloom: Evermind

~~~~~
"Nemo omnia, quae nec videntur nec videri possunt, miribilia mundi vel intelliget vel animo finget."

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 2:50 PM December 12, 2003: Message edited by: Celebrian ]

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 3:57 PM December 13, 2003: Message edited by: Celebrian ]

[Turambar]

Were any guesses for #2 close?

Tyrn Gorthad?

#5 Loëndë ?

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 10:49 AM December 11, 2003: Message edited by: Turambar ]

[Celebrian]

2 - Not yet. Hint: switch to "cache of monsters"
5 - Close.

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 11:22 AM December 11, 2003: Message edited by: Celebrian ]

[Turambar]

#3 Thirty-three ?

#5 Mid-Summer's Day, or Eve ?

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 11:50 AM December 11, 2003: Message edited by: Turambar ]

[Celebrian]

3 - Knice knumber, but knot that one, knimble plum-gatherer!
5 - Master of Doom, again close!

[Turambar]

Thirty-two, then - last year of the carefree tweens ?

#5 Overlithe ? Or, more topically, Yule ?

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 12:23 PM December 11, 2003: Message edited by: Turambar ]

[Finwe]

2) Utumno?

7) Isenmouthe?

[Celebrian]

2 - Nay.
3 - Too old. Think of another word for angst.
5 - Close again. When ye rede it write.
7 - Isenmouthe (ice in mouth). Yes, Finwe
~~~~~
Dexter, sinister, dexter.

[Finwe]

4) Barrow?

[Turambar]

Hmmm. #3 Twenty-four (angst = fear = vier) ?

[Celebrian]

3 - Think Elvish.
4 - Think English. Hint: Denethor was awfully anxious to be there.

[Turambar]

#3 Ten ? (S. caer, sounds like "care") smilies/eek.gif

[Celebrian]

3 - More elvish than that. Too young, too.
I'll start giving hints for #1 only after first guess.
~~~~~
"Eldest first, or quickest first?"

[Turambar]

Last attempt for #3 - Twenty-four (CANTA RASTA) ?

[Celebrian]

3 - Sorry! This one's toltolly tengwar. And I must away...

[Turambar]

Ah - is #3 twenty ? (Tengwa 20 is nwalme = "torment".)

[Celebrian]

Turambar, yes, nwalme is the clue!
~~~~~
"I'm in a hurry now. Evening will follow day."

[Finwe]

4) Tomb? Grave?

[Celebrian]

4 - The Tombs, is correct, Finwe! Denethor headed there with sickly Faramir.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

1. Company?
2. Azanulbizar?
5. Elves' New Year?

[Celebrian]

No, no and... no. Keep quessing, I think the pass is getting obvious, however.
1 - Another group was there, albeit briefly
5 - Turambar's last guess was closer, wordwise

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 12:57 PM December 12, 2003: Message edited by: Celebrian ]

[Turambar]

How about just lithe for #5 ?

#2 Misty Mountains?

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 1:39 PM December 12, 2003: Message edited by: Turambar ]

[Celebrian]

#2 - You may have to look in the SIL to find this dark Home. Is this thread limited to LOTR?
#5 - So close you're tickling me!

[Turambar]

#2 Angband ?

#5 Overlithe?

[Celebrian]

2 - Yea, Friend, and
5 - Nay, you've already used that guess and it's still wrong. You might have to be a Breelander to get this one.

[Turambar]

The Summerdays ?

[Celebrian]

You're hot, 'tis the correct time of year to be enjoying the May-Honey

[Turambar]

Thrimidge ? smilies/eek.gif smilies/tongue.gif

[Celebrian]

smilies/rolleyes.gif Alas! No. Hint: About the brew and the bees; bees gather the honey in that month of blooming, so anyone making a mead (honey added) drink is going to have to wait 'til the bees are done to gather it, then make the mix and wait a bit for it to ferment. smilies/tongue.gif

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 3:52 PM December 13, 2003: Message edited by: Celebrian ]

[Finwe]

1) Fornost? Norbury?

[Celebrian]

Ah, Noldorian, #1 is a grouping of ... characters (as opposed to place or thing)

[Finwe]

1) Rangers? Dunedain?

[Celebrian]

Nice group, Finwe, but Butterbur's still not happy about #1's grouping.

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 8:58 PM December 14, 2003: Message edited by: Celebrian ]

[Finwe]

5) Forelithe? Afterlithe? Lithe?

[Celebrian]

Afterlithe is correct, Finwe! Surely you have the password on the tips of your fingers, also.

[Finwe]

I can't seem to find the pattern. Grrr.... this is so frustrating!

[Turambar]

Is the Password FANTASIE ?

[Celebrian]

Aye, Sir, starin' ya in the face like the moon a' plenilune. Di'ya need hintses for the first'un then?
~~~~~
"He sang like a starling, hummed like a honey-bee, lilted to the fiddle, clasping his river-maid round her slender middle."

[Turambar]

What is "Fantasie" other than the German word for fantasy ?

[Finwe]

Hmmm... the only other one that I can think of for # 1 is: Fellowship.

[Celebrian]

Turambar:
In Bilbo's song Errantry, the term "Fantasie" is used as perhaps an imaginary land where the wanderer is "roaming over Belmarie and Thellamie and Fantasie".
According to Merriam-Webster the word is used in the same context as Fantasia, (ala Chernobog smilies/wink.gif ), to denote a "musical composition free and fanciful in form."

Finwe: The Fellowship "grouping" was much nicer than the thematic one in this password puzzle.

[Finwe]

Fallen Kings?

[Celebrian]

Almost there! Look for another term.

[Finwe]

Failed Kings?

[Celebrian]

smilies/eek.gif In a poor attempt to provide a tricksy question, I've only tricked myself! After finding finally a map of the Third Age with political boundaries marked, here is resubmitted the first clue in (hopefully) easier form so we can wrap up sooner:

One Minas Morgulian grouping left Butterbur drooping : Fell Riders
Two, a monster cache, a place of doom: Angband
Three, at this age what angst a tweener would be suffering?: Nwalme, torment, tengwar#20
Is four a mound, or stone, a place for bones? : Tombs (Denethor)
A fifth, a time in Bree to be mead a-drinking: Afterlithe, called "Mede" in Bree
The sixth is where there lived an Inkling: Sandfield Road, Oxford
Seven's a remedy for overheating: Isenmouthe (ice-in-mouth)
Guess eighth and poser end is soon, for it is a burial bloom: Evermind

Turambar has guessed the password, FANTASIE.

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 12:14 AM December 16, 2003: Message edited by: Celebrian ]

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 9:58 PM December 16, 2003: Message edited by: Celebrian ]

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I'd act silly and say Forodwaith. smilies/redface.gif

[Celebrian]

Hmmm... no, I don't think this group of dark persons were mentioned that far north.

[Finwe]

Fell Riders?

[Celebrian]

Verily so, Finwe! You are a good guesser!
Turambar, your turn to step up to the palantir.

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 10:51 PM December 23, 2003: Message edited by: Celebrian ]

[Finwe]

Turambar? You there?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I've got a proposition:

It's been more than 10 days. Do you Passworders allow me to post my puzzle, or do we wait for Turambar?

Thank you! smilies/cool.gif
->Elenrod

[Finwe]

Go ahead and put yours up.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Here's mine:

1) Unit of measure in Númenórë or Angamandi.
2) The universe tore sick mariner.
3) Half a ringbearer leads departing ones.
4) Assembly that is Quenya and father.
5) Chamber not outside, former Elven land.
6) Maiarin son of Aulendil.
7) Food-man of the Third Company.

Good luck! smilies/cool.gif

[The Saucepan Man]

#2 Earendil: Ea (the Universe) + rend (tore) + il (ill/sick).

#5 Hollin: Holl (Hall/Chamber) + in (not outside).

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Slick! As always!

Oh, no! Did I just stoke your ego??? smilies/eek.gif

1) Unit of measure in Númenórë or Angamandi.
2) Eärendil-The universe tore sick mariner.
3) Half a ringbearer leads departing ones.
4) Assembly that is Quenya and father.
5) Hollin-Chamber not outside, former Elven land.
6) Aulendil-Maiarin son of Vardamir.
7) Food-man of the Third Company.

More guesses!

EDIT: Question 6 was mistyped. It's now a gift from me to you this Year 2004. smilies/wink.gif

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 11:05 PM January 04, 2004: Message edited by: Nilpaurion Felagund ]

[Finwe]

7) Targon?

[The Saucepan Man]

#1 ëora or ëoran? Words found in Númenórë or Angamandi, possibly a unit of measurement in Rohan?

[Firefoot]

4) Elrond?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

The correct answers:

1) Unit of measure in Númenórë or Angamandi.
2) Eärendil-The universe tore sick mariner.
3) Half a ringbearer leads departing ones.
4) Assembly that is Quenya and father.
5) Hollin-Chamber not outside, former Elven land.
6) Aulendil-Maiarin son of Vardamir.
7) Targon-Food-man of the Third Company.

#1: Sauce, you're almost there!
#4: No, Finwe. Assembly is a straight clue...

[Celebrian]

3 - Emeldir the Manhearted, mother of One-hand and leader to Brethil?

[Turambar]

#1 Ranga ?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

The correct answers:

1) Ranga-Unit of measure in Númenórë or Angamandi.
2) Eärendil-The universe tore sick mariner.
3) Half a ringbearer leads departing ones.
4) Assembly that is Quenya and father.
5) Hollin-Chamber not outside, former Elven land.
6) Aulendil-Maiarin son of Vardamir.
7) Targon-Food-man of the Third Company.

Dear Celebrian, departing ones is the straight clue.

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 8:23 PM January 06, 2004: Message edited by: Nilpaurion Felagund ]

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

Is three possibly just Frodo?

[Finwe]

3) Banner?

I remember reading somewhere that the original, Westron version of "Samwise" was "Banazir," or at least I think the name in question was "Samwise."

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Conn, Sonar. We have two torpedoes imbound. Range is...it missed! Both answers missed!

[Heni]

#4: Fingon?

[Finwe]

# 3: Fingon (departing ones)

# 4: fassë (father + assembly)

[Heni]

I meant of course #3: Fingon... But all honour to Finwë if this is correct.

[Firefoot]

3) Cirdan?

[Finwe]

3) Ingwë?

[Finwe]

3) Ingwë?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Let us clarify #3 and #4:

3. The departing ones is the straight clue, and the Ringbearer mentioned has exactly an even number of letters. Which ring? It'll be yours, if you want to... smilies/wink.gif

*eeew*

4. That is really not a "cryptic clue," but a proper statement with two quotation marks removed. Put the quotation marks in the proper place, and the answer will hit you like a precision-guided Hellfire.

If you didn't notice, all your answers were shot down by my Phalanx... smilies/wink.gif smilies/rolleyes.gif

->Elenrod

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 9:06 PM January 20, 2004: Message edited by: Nilpaurion Felagund ]

[Finwe]

3) Elros?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Non.

[Finwe]

Golasgil?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Still not there.

[Finwe]

All right, now I'm truly stumped.


Just for the record, what exactly is a "straight clue" again? I seem to have forgotten. *blush*

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

A new avatar??? For Finwe???

A straight clue is the one that is not cryptic( smilies/rolleyes.gif ), hence what I'm looking for is the name of departing ones...

[Celebrian]

Ahem...
3) Elrond? Elves?

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 8:32 AM January 12, 2004: Message edited by: Celebrian ]

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Not.

[Finwe]

I'm going to be asinine, and blatantly plagiarize Celebrian's answer. smilies/wink.gif smilies/biggrin.gif


3) Eldar?

P.S. Yes, Nilpo, I changed my avatar. It is a picture of King Louis XIV of France, who was called Le Roi Soleil "The Sun King," which fits perfectly with my name, because Finwe's banner was a sixteen-pointed Sun, making him also "The Sun King."

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

You're getting quite close...about a few hundred meters to the right...

*whacks self in the head*

She's not a tank gunner!

But it's close. You find a group of Eldar that has "half a ringbearer" in its name...

P.S. King Louis...hey! That's me! I'm Louis.
P.P.S. No, not the King Louis, but still a king whose name is Louis.
P.P.P.S. Not Nilpo. Nil would be fine(but that's Niluial's) or Elenrod. Please, someone use Elenrod! smilies/frown.gif smilies/rolleyes.gif

[Finwe]

Teleri?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Nope...it's not in Elvish...you'll find it in UT index...

[Finwe]

Gnomes?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

*shakes head*

[Finwe]

3) Grey Elves?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

(Sorry for the seeming outburst, but...)

Departing ones! It's another name for the Noldor!!!

[Finwe]

*chuckles*

3) Noldor


I knew I would be able to drive you to an outburst eventually! Haha! I have succeeded! smilies/biggrin.gif

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Hehe. Not Elvish, I said.

[Finwe]

Damn!

Loremasters?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Finwe, Finwe, Finwe...your guesses are without rhyme or reason. Here's what I suggest you do: Read back, then collect all the hints. Hopefully, that will point you to the correct answer.

Good luck! smilies/smile.gif

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 10:05 PM January 18, 2004: Message edited by: Nilpaurion Felagund ]

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Anyone? The Ringbearer I refer to bore the One Ring. But he was never mentioned by that name. That should be clue enough.

Please? Answer?

[Finwe]

The only "bearer" of the One Ring, whose name has an even number of letters, is Sauron. Am I right with that, at least?

[The Perky Ent]

Question Finwe, doesn't Gollum have an even number of letters? But then, i'm not sure if he was called a "bearer" of the One. I'll have to check up on that

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Quick! Someone's real close!!! Use all the clues! USE ALL THE CLUES!!!

[The Perky Ent]

3) Deagol?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Ummm...Déagol isn't another name for the Noldor...

Keep trying! smilies/wink.gif

[symestreem]

4) Eldarin. Another name for Quenya, and aran is the Sindarin root for father.

[Firefoot]

3)Golug

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I love the reasoning, but Eldarin is not an assembly, as I said above.

Keep 'em coming!

EDIT: We have a winner!!!!! Golug it is, Firefoot!

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 10:18 PM January 19, 2004: Message edited by: Nilpaurion Felagund ]

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Artificially generating update...

1) Ranga-Unit of measure in Númenórë or Angamandi.
2) Eärendil-The universe tore sick mariner.
3) Golug-Half a ringbearer leads departing ones.
4) Assembly that is Quenya and father.
5) Hollin-Chamber not outside, former Elven land.
6) Aulendil-Maiarin son of Vardamir.
7) Targon-Food-man of the Third Company.

[Celebrian]

4) Eärendil?

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 12:16 AM January 20, 2004: Message edited by: Celebrian ]

[symestreem]

Could you please explain the meaning of "assembly" again, since I can't seem to find the above post? Thanks.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Reposting for this page...

4. That is really not a "cryptic clue," but a proper statement with two quotation marks removed. Put the quotation marks in the proper place, and the answer will hit you like a precision-guided Hellfire.

Vy ze vay, ze assembly is another word for council or fellowship. Or a meeting. In some place, private or public.

OK, I'll stop now...

[Finwe]

Mereth Aderthad?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

That's a negative, Star who cannot die.

[Finwe]

4) Boromir? Council of Elrond?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Never! It requires translation!

[Finwe]

Ok... so it's a council, and it's in Quenya, right?


Wait... nooooo....

could it be, Heren Istarion??

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 11:28 PM January 21, 2004: Message edited by: Finwe ]

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Wow. Nearer and nearer. They're in the same league as your answer, but it's like the professionals compared to the amateurs.

So, then...anyone?

[Finwe]

The White Council?

[The Saucepan Man]

Máhanaxar, where the Council of the Valar met? It's Quenya, but I can't see any "father" connection. smilies/frown.gif

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Don't frown, Sauce. Even if your answer is wrong.

Still, I'll "reword" the question for all:

Assembly that is Quenya "and father."

That should clear things up...

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 4:12 AM January 24, 2004: Message edited by: Nilpaurion Felagund ]

[Finwe]

Oh...my...Eru!


I've been so infernally stupid!


It's Aratar!

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Guess that wraps up this case...wait - the password's still hidden!

1) Ranga-Unit of measure in Númenórë or Angamandi.
2) Eärendil-The universe tore sick mariner.
3) Golug-Half a ringbearer leads departing ones.
4) Aratar-Assembly that is Quenya and father.
5) Hollin-Chamber not outside, former Elven land.
6) Aulendil-Maiarin son of Vardamir.
7) Targon-Food-man of the Third Company

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 9:54 PM January 25, 2004: Message edited by: Nilpaurion Felagund ]

[Finwe]

Right, at least we've gotten somewhere. Someone, anyone, care to take a shot? I'm far too mentally exhausted to deal with Elenrod's nasssty, trickssssy password. smilies/wink.gif

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Wow! I'll take that as a compliment...

But where's my password?! smilies/wink.gif

[Turambar]

Is the Password a Scramble (anagram) of the first letters, or something else?

[Firefoot]

Stupid, fat password. If it's not an anagram of the first letters I've been wasting a lot of time. As far as I can tell they don't make anything. My brain is fried. smilies/tongue.gif

[Celebrian]

The password letters look like A GERTHA (a rune)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

It's not an anagram...it's something like transposition...you know, like, shifting... smilies/wink.gif

EDIT: Let's raise the stakes - winner gets an all-expense-paid trip to home! smilies/biggrin.gif

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 9:03 PM January 28, 2004: Message edited by: Nilpaurion Felagund ]

[Turambar]

This Password is fading. How about a better description of what "transposition" means ? I tried moving forward or backward one letter (R becomes S or Q, E becomes F or D, etc.); that doesn't work.

[Finwe]

Yes, indeed. We could use more hintses.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

OK, maybe "transposition" is the wrong technical term...the clues are in the exact same position, but the password is hidden in another place, away from the initial letters. It's in a straight line...

R A N G A
E A R E N D I L
G O L U G
A R A T A R
H O L L I N
A U L E N D I L
T A R G O N

There! *points at monitor* Do you see it? smilies/wink.gif

[Finwe]

Angainor? The chain that bound Morgoth?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Wow! There's another word there? Angaino's there, too? An oversight on my part.

By the way, it's wrong! smilies/tongue.gif

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

No, wait. That's right... smilies/wink.gif

[Finwe]

Hmm.... since I'm not exactly feeling up to the challenge, after a brain-numbing Password like that, mine is going to be remarkably easy. So, in the interests of all, I'm going to defer my right to a better person. (In layman's terms, someone else can go.)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Mind numbing? You heap too much praise upon me. *blushes*

[Celebrian]

By your leave, good gentles, a new little ME puzzle for Valentine's Day.

1) Deserves no moniker
2) A rosy jewel
3) Melkor digs
4) A Maiar's title
5) Inner mind, Valentine
6) A burrahobbit by any other name is still a burrahobbit
7) Bergil calls, "Uncle!"

[Turambar]

#3 Utumno ?

[Estanesse]

4) high captain of Angband

[Voralphion]

[1] Mouth of Sauron

[Finwe]

7) Iorlas

[Celebrian]

Turambar : You are correct with 3) Utumno!

Estanesse : Try again for 4). Please!

Voralphion : Oh, You are close for 1).

Finwe : You are correct with Iorlas!
~~~~~
"Each day before the end of eve
she sought her lover, nor would him leave,
until the stars were dimmed, and day
came glimmering eastward silver-grey."

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

6. Bilbo?

[Firefoot]

5. Ent?

[Celebrian]

Nilparion Felagund, continue burra'ing for 6. :)

Firefoot: Sorry, many Ent waters cannot quench 5.

[Estanesse]

4) Herald of Manwë ?

[Celebrian]

Estanesse, that guess is wrong, but your method and persistence should pay off eventually.

[Estanesse]

what about 6) William

[Turambar]

#2 Narya ?

[Celebrian]

Well, William is Way off for 6, of course! :mad:

Narya is a good logical guess, Master of Doom, but I invite you to think associatively for #2 :p

[Miriel]

Okay ... as a random guess ...
4) Lady of the Seas?

[Celebrian]

Miriel , you've got the form, but not the person. Try again!
_______
"I wonder if roast Polar is good to eat?"
~ Ilbereth

[Miriel]

*sighs*
Hmm, can't find any other Maiar that are 'Lady of ....', so will try a few Lords. ;)
Wind Lord.....Lord of Gifts.....Lord of Mordor....Lord of the Rings...?
If you don't like random guessing, please inform me, and I'll stop. ;)

[Celebrian]

*goes to check the rules on Page 1, waffles*
The ring is correct.

[Miriel]

Yay!
And, how about
5) Ind?
The Sindarin for inner thought, meaning, or heart; also part of the word 'mind'.

[symestreem]

How about Morgoth or Melkor for #1? Either that or Sauron, since he did not allow his name to be used.

[Finwe]

6) Mad Baggins?

[Celebrian]

Miriel, you are close!
Symestreem, you are close, also!
Finwe, I'm not looking for a particular hobbit for 6 (adds exclamation points for fun, anyway)!!!!!
________________
'A wandering path far from the Wood-Elves' sunny glade
she sadly winds, where courage fades
and hope grows faint.'

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

5. Ure? The last letter of the Tengwar alphabet(redundancy, I know - sue me. ;) ) and coincidentally means heart, which is the symbol of the most accursed day of the year - Valentines?
6. A hobbit? A burglar? A halfling? A troll? A squadron of P-3s? :rolleyes:

(adds exclamation points for fun, anyway)!!!!!
Can be arranged...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Celebrian]

Nilpaurion,
5) Hroom! You seem to have two Feanorian characters mixed together, but then, that's the idea of Valentine's Day anyway, isn't it?

6) You've got the concept!

One guess at a time, please.

[Turambar]

#2 Ruby (Gamgee) ?

#6 Banakil ?

Celebrian, can you re-post the puzzle with the correctly guessed answers inserted?

[Celebrian]

Turambar, Banakil is not, but you are hot,! (woops, that sounds like a candy heart)

Edit: and Ruby is right!

I'll re-post. Give me a sec... Here it is:

1) Unnamed: Deserves no moniker (Gondorian name for Sauron)
2) Ruby Gamgee: A rosy jewel
3) Utumno: Melkor digs
4) Lord of the Ring: A Maiar's title
5) Ore: Inner mind, Valentine, heart (tengwa 21)
6) Kuduk: A burrahobbit by any other name is still a burrahobbit (Rohirric)
7) Iorlas: Bergil calls, "Uncle!"

[Turambar]

Banazir, then? Although Sam was not the hurrahobbit, I'm thinking associatively. :p

[Celebrian]

Turamarth, good, good! But no, Banazir is but another name...
You are so close! You are all so close!
The pass is looking better than my ol' nemesis, the Redhorn, so it should be easier to pin down than an Ork.
_______________________

"Please excuse blots. Rather bizzy.
Yours Polar Bear"

[Turambar]

The Password appears to be Uruloki.

So maybe Kalimac for #6 ?

[Celebrian]

Kalimac! How jolly! However, you were closer with Banazir.

Hah! You've guessed the password! I assume that means you have time to make a new one, and I'm holding you to it! ;)

~~~~~

""It sounds a Polarish sort of thing to do-"

[Arestevana]

#6 How about Kud-dukan or Kuduk?

[Finwe]

5) Oiolairë?

[Turambar]

#6 should be óre, the tengwa for "inner mind, heart".

[Celebrian]

Arestevana, Kuduk is correct, a Rohirric name for a burrahobbit.
Sorry, Finwe, but óre is the answer, tengwa 21.

Only 1) to go. Voralphin and symestreem are the closest guessers so far.

~~~~~
"Still Lúthien sang" 2696

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

1. Unnamed...one? Unnamed one?


You seem to have two Feanorian characters mixed together, but then, that's the idea of Valentine's Day anyway, isn't it?
No. I believe the idea of Valentine's Day is to...wait...you're right! Mix up! The only day in the year when the human brain is traded for a hamster's... :p

[Turambar]

Ulairi ?

[Celebrian]

Nilpaurion, you have it, the (speak-no-evil) Unnamed, Gondorian reference to Sauron. That wraps it up!

Turambar, we expect your puzzle, trifle or masterpiece, next!

[Turambar]

1. Isenmouthe -- Sounds like a cooling cure for drouth in a dead land.
2. Leave one small bread for the second-last of his kind.
3. Un-tardy dwarf, with Gondor’s first, visits remote village.
4. Seems that 100 well prepared Bree-men were scattered and killed.
5. Alliterative lines describe legend of the faithful friend.
6. Nimloth -- Elegant court dweller wore white blossom for 30 centuries.

[Celebrian]

1) Isenmouthe again?
6) Telperion?

Edit: Do any of you know the ALT code for the "th" aelig character, upper and lowercase? Thanks!

[Turambar]

Again ? Whatever do you mean?

But http://forum.barrowdowns.com/ubb/icons/icon14.gif (E: on Isenmouthe, not Telperion)

[Celebrian]

Isenmouthe has been used two times lately in passwords. There aren't very many ME names that start with "I", are there? (Not making an assumption that the password is from ME)

2) Fimbrethil ("Wandlimb" = small + lembas + where are the Ent females anyway?)
4) Archet?
6) Silpion?

[Finwe]

3) Balin

5) Huan

[Turambar]

All guesses are incorrect.

Note: all clues have cryptic elements - I think.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

ð <- this one, Celebrian? ALT + 0240.

Is the password Istari. Just a guess here. :)

[Finwe]

2) Losgar?

[Celebrian]

Thanks for the ALT 0240 ð, Nil!
Edit: Found also ALT 0222 Þ and ALT 0254 þ

6) Ninquelótë, "White Blossom"?

If so, then my guess is the Ivrin for the password.

[Silmarien]

2. Gimli or Gloin
5. Gandalf

[Turambar]

No right guesses, although Celebrian was very close with her guess for #6.

HINTS (for what they're worth):

2. Person. Silmarillion. Introduced as the son of a more famous character.

3. An obscure location. The Shire.

4. Person.

5. Person.

6. Celebrian is on the right track, but try a later specimen.

[Celebrian]

3) Laketown?
6) Nimloth the Fair?

Password: ILLUIN?

[Finwe]

3) Ladros

4) Ulbar

[Turambar]

Nimloth is right for #6.

[Celebrian]

Hroom! begins with I, ends with N....
Password: IRIMON (Tar-Meneldur) ?

2)Roac?

[Turambar]

I think you'll need to solve a few more clues before you can guess the Passsword.

[Finwe]

3) Michel Delving?

[Turambar]

Right general area, but more obscure (and must fit the cryptic clues)

[Celebrian]

:smokin: Oh, please let me guess, Master of the Dark Shadow

5) Oliphaunt Song?
Password: ITHRON ?

[Finwe]

Little Delving?

[Turambar]

More obscure than Little Delving - it's near some awesome uplands.

And #5 is a person.

[Evisse the Blue]

Lo there, password-solvers (and makers) I venture upon your domain.
Is #3 Dwaling?

[Turambar]

Welcome, Evisse.

Dwaling, a village in the Eastfarthing near the Hills of Scary, is correct.

Re-posting:

1. Isenmouthe -- Sounds like a cooling cure for drouth in a dead land.
2. Ibun -- Leave one small bread for the second-last of his kind.
3. Dwaling -- Un-tardy dwarf, with Gondor’s first, visits remote village.
4. Seems that 100 well prepared Bree-men were scattered and killed.
5. Alliterative lines describe legend of the faithful friend.
6. Nimloth -- Elegant court dweller wore white blossom for 30 centuries.

[The Saucepan Man]

#2 is Ibun, son of Mim, the last of the Petty-Dwarves.

(one = I; small bread = bun)

[Finwe]

5) Aghan?

[Turambar]

Ibun is right, Aghan (never heard of him/that) is not.

Of the remaining two, #5 is very easy, #4 is a bit tricky.

[Finwe]

5) Luthien or Leithian

The description seems to describe the Lay of Luthien or Leithian.

[Turambar]

The clue is worded poorly, but refers to a person, not the lay in which he is featured.

[Finwe]

Then would it be Daeron?

[Turambar]

Not Daeron. "Faithful friend" is the straight clue. There's a very obvious cryptic clue in there.

[Finwe]

*smacks self in the head*


It's Beleg.

[Turambar]

http://forum.barrowdowns.com/ubb/icons/icon14.gif

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Re-posting:

1. Isenmouthe -- Sounds like a cooling cure for drouth in a dead land.
2. Ibun -- Leave one small bread for the second-last of his kind.
3. Dwaling -- Un-tardy dwarf, with Gondor’s first, visits remote village.
4. Seems that 100 well prepared Bree-men were scattered and killed.
5. Beleg --Alliterative lines describe legend of the faithful friend.
6. Nimloth -- Elegant court dweller wore white blossom for 30 centuries.

HINTS FOR #4 - Scramble. Person.

[Celebrian]

Red herrings and hithlain! Arg! #4 has me stumped still. All I can think of at the moment is the Scouring of the Shire, which is not a scrambled person (perhaps many persons scrambling, hah!).

Is the password CARL COTTON, Nib's ID?

[Finwe]

Blind guess here...


4) Lenwë?

[Evisse the Blue]

#4 - Boromir? (will explain if proves to be right) wil refuse to explain if it's wrong:o :p

[Turambar]

Not Lenwë or Boromir. Two words in the riddle are straight clues. The answer is, as I said, only one person. Three elements of the clue comprise the scramble.

As for the Password, follow the clues and you'll find it.

[Finwe]

Emeldir?

[Turambar]

No. I'll refine the hint: Bree-men and killed are straight clues; three elements comprise the scramble, and the answer is one person.

[The Saucepan Man]

I am afraid that I am going to have to close this thread as it is way over the maximum thread length.

Turambar, would you mind starting a new thread and re-posting the rules of the game together with your current conundrum?

Thanks. :)

[Turambar]

Rules for this game:

1. The questioner gives a series of questions, each leading to an answer (which the questioner will confirm when guessed).

2. The first letters of the answers form the Password (see example below).

3. Traditionally, the questions can be (but aren't required to be) on the tricksy side, and can include “cryptic clues”, as well summarized by The Saucepan Man here (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3868&perpage=40&pagenumber=1) (i.e., anagrams, synonyms, "sounds like" clues, etc.)

4. The first person to guess the “Password” wins the game, although you still have to solve any remaining questions.

5. You’re allowed to tinker with Rule #2.

Simple example:

(1) Noldor, Sindar or Vanyar.
(2) First Telerin deserter.
(3) Monsters of the Last Desert.
(4) Not a man, to the Witch King’s regret.

Answers:

(1) Elf.
(2) Lenwë.
(3) Wereworms.
(4) Éowyn.

Password: ELWË.

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Here’s the current puzzle – only #4, and the Password, remain to be guessed:

1. Isenmouthe -- Sounds like a cooling cure for drouth in a dead land.
2. Ibun -- Leave one small bread for the second-last of his kind.
3. Dwaling -- Un-tardy dwarf, with Gondor’s first, visits remote village.
4. Rowlie Appledore -- Seems that 100 well prepared Bree-men were scattered and killed.
5. Beleg -- Alliterative lines describe legend of the faithful friend.
6. Nimloth -- Elegant court dweller wore white blossom for 30 centuries.

HINTS for #4: It's a person. Bree-men and killed are straight clues. Three elements of the clue comprise a scramble.

HINT for the password: follow the clues and you'll find it.

[Firefoot]

Is it Rowlie Appledore?

[Turambar]

Indeed it is - an anagram of IOO WELL PREPARED.

Now just guess the Password, and the honor of going next is yours ! :D

HINTS for the Password:

* Follow the clues !
* More than six letters.

[Finwe]

Hmm... they seem to be somehow representative of all the races in Middle-earth... does that have anything to do with the password?

[Turambar]

How about -

* Follow the clues initially,
* Be aware of Rule #5 (above),
* Then guess the 12-letter Password.

:D

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is it Middle-earth?

Great. Nice guess. Next you'll tell me you're not failing Physics.

Am not...wait, I am. But who cares - I'm shifting, remember.

A new alter-ego comes: Guys, this is the Quiz Room, not a private message.

OK. *shuts up*

OK. My answer's still Middle-earth.

[The Saucepan Man]

* Follow the clues initially, Well, the initials of the answers are IIDRBN

* Be aware of Rule #5 (above), So, it's not just the intitials, huh? :rolleyes: ;)

* Then guess the 12-letter Password. Ah, so we need another 6 letters. How about adding another letter after each of those that we already have ...

I-I-D-R-B-N-

Ah, there it is ...

ISILDUR'S BANE

:smokin:

[Turambar]

The letters you "added" were simply the first letters of each clue.

You're up, Saucepan. :smokin:

[Celebrian]

There certainly was lots of entertainment value in that last tricksy one, Turambar! Thanks!
Oh, goody, a Saucy special's up next.