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[Urwen]

Sorry, edited that clue a bit.

[Huinesoron]

The best I've got so far for grain is that "Amon Amarth" contains an anagram of Amaranth.

A-places I can find that we haven't suggested for this clue so far, in case they inspire anyone:

- Alqualonde
- Alalminore
- Antaro
- Amon Uilos
- Arfanyaras(se)
- Afros

Actually I'm going to go ahead and guess ANTARO, the obscure mountain in southern Aman, because it has a backwards rat in it (though I can't find any anagram of ANO which relates to grain).

hS

[Urwen]

ARAMAN: Naomi's other name; read backwards. Add an article, and there it is.
MAHANAXAR: Dwarvish weapon surrounded by broken ham. Run past here.
ANTARO: Broken grain and returning rodent are mixed, here.
NAMO: He's the Lord of the Dead...or two element symbols put together.


And you know the drill.

[Huinesoron]

Oh cool. What was the grain though?

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Also curious about the grain.

And here's the next puzzle!

1. Silver fruit combines for another shiny thing.
2. Hang around in confusion, with eye turned to the Orient, so to speak, to see it.
3. Cambrian rebel, but no longer in debt, reveals it.
4. Lionheart and son of Njal! Change the fourth to find it.

[Urwen]

Oh cool. What was the grain though?

hS


Oat

[Huinesoron]

So #3 intrigues me because the obvious ("obvious") Cambrian rebel is Owain Glyndwr, or Owen Glendower if you're Shakespeare and can't even spell your own name, let alone the Prince of Wales. I note that "Glendower" includes both "lend" and "ower", either of which could be removed to give...

Is it GLEND, the Sword of Nan? Always love it when Luthien's madcap spell comes into things.* ^_^

#4 is of course Rickard (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_I_of_England) Skarphedin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skarph%C3%A9%C3%B0inn_Nj%C3%A1lsson), with the fourth letter changed. ^_~ No, I don't know.

hS

* "and last and longest named she then / the endless hair of Uinen..." Is it significant, do you think, that Luthien happened to invoke as the divine patron of her spell a) a woman, who b) has her own story involving a man who all her relatives hated? Nah... just coincidence...

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. Silver fruit combines for another shiny thing.
2. Hang around in confusion, with eye turned to the Orient, so to speak, to see it.
GLEND: Cambrian rebel, but no longer in debt, reveals it.
4. Lionheart and son of Njal! Change the fourth to find it.

Different Njalson. ;) And LIONHEART is a separate element.

Too much erudition for me, Huey - it's still only Tuesday!

[Huinesoron]

Too much erudition for me, Huey - it's still only Tuesday!

And now it is Tuesday again. :eek:

#4: Straight-up searching for "Njalson" gives me a couple of people on Facebook, plus "Helgi Njal's son" from the same saga as Skarphedin Njalsson. "Njal" itself is polluted by a fashion company, but then shows the saga and apparently something from Warhammer.

"Lionheart" still suggests Richard. Lion + Heart could be Leo + ... something. Or maybe "heart" is an instruction.

#1: Surely an anagram of words related to silver + fruit. Could be Ag + something.

#2: An anagrammed synoym for "hang around" with an I turned into an E (for East). Linger? Wait? Loiter? Wait, it's not LOTR:EE, is it? :D

hS

[Pervinca Took]

And now it is Tuesday again. :eek:

#4: Straight-up searching for "Njalson" gives me a couple of people on Facebook, plus "Helgi Njal's son" from the same saga as Skarphedin Njalsson. "Njal" itself is polluted by a fashion company, but then shows the saga and apparently something from Warhammer.

"Lionheart" still suggests Richard. Lion + Heart could be Leo + ... something. Or maybe "heart" is an instruction.

#1: Surely an anagram of words related to silver + fruit. Could be Ag + something.

#2: An anagrammed synoym for "hang around" with an I turned into an E (for East). Linger? Wait? Loiter? Wait, it's not LOTR:EE, is it? :D

hS

1. Njal had three sons (and a foster-son, but forget him for now).

2. Ag plus a fruit is right. Just find the fruit.

3. Linger is the correct starting-point.

4. A lionheart is a metaphorical expression for a what?

BIG HINT: The fruit is sometimes infused with gin, and appears in a cocktail with a rude name.

[Huinesoron]

When I signed up for this charming Tolkien forum, I never dreamed I would one day play games that sent me to the Icelanding Saga Database (https://sagadb.org/brennu-njals_saga.en).

#4:
Njal has a son called Grim, which looks promising. There is actually a Rider of Rohan named Grimbold who would fit, but isn't an it and is the wrong way round. (The fourth son in the saga is Hauskeld; I'm not sure which is the foster-son.)

#2:
Linger ...I mean, it almost makes "Glend" again. :D If I'm misunderstanding the clue, the river GREYLIN would fit (Y is known as "Greek I" in French, which I guess is "I turned towards the east").

#1:
As far as I can tell, literally every fruit can be infused in gin, and every cocktail has a rude name. ^_^ Sloe looks possible... right, is it AEGLOS?

hS

[Pervinca Took]

AEGLOS: Silver fruit combines for another shiny thing.
2. Hang around in confusion, with eye turned to the Orient, so to speak, to see it.
GLEND: Cambrian rebel, but no longer in debt, reveals it.
4. Lionheart and son of Njal! Change the fourth to find it.

GRIM is correct. (Hoskuld is the foster son).

LINGER - look at the theme, and do the 'Orient' thing. ;)

[Huinesoron]

Ahhh, I had the Orient thing backwards: it's not I>E, it's E>I. So lingir > RINGIL.

... does Theoden have a sword named HERUGRIM? 'Hero' for lion-heart.

With the password being "ARGH!". :D

hS

[Pervinca Took]

AEGLOS: Silver fruit combines for another shiny thing.
RINGIL: Hang around in confusion, with eye turned to the Orient, so to speak, to see it.
GLEND: Cambrian rebel, but no longer in debt, reveals it.
HERUGRIM: Lionheart and son of Njal! Change the fourth to find it.

Well done!

And over to you. :)

[Huinesoron]

Okay, I know it's been a few days, but here we go at last:

1. - Of the fall, mad glory is his, but the day neither begins nor ends.
2. - You run of four, less nitrogen upon the horn.
3. - In the tower, the same without the most common.
4. - The weaver's eye is forward for the most magical, beside the sea.
5. - That which sits upon the shaft is missing nigh to Angband.

Most of these don't have a straight clue per se, but they do all have a clue as to why they fit the theme.

hS

[Galadriel55]

Same wothout the most common vowel (letter?) E makes SAM, in the tower of Cirith Ungol perhaps?

[Huinesoron]

Same wothout the most common vowel (letter?) E makes SAM, in the tower of Cirith Ungol perhaps?

Correct and correct (and yes, E is the most common letter in English).

1. - Of the fall, mad glory is his, but the day neither begins nor ends.
2. - You run of four, less nitrogen upon the horn.
SAM - In the tower, the same without the most common.
4. - The weaver's eye is forward for the most magical, beside the sea.
5. - That which sits upon the shaft is missing nigh to Angband.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. MAGLOR, losing both the D and Y from DAY in MAD GLORY?

...

Is it MUSIC? Sam sang in the Tower ... did Maglor sing of the Fall of Gondolin?

And would that make 4 VAIRE, with the I pushed forward?

[Huinesoron]

1. MAGLOR, losing both the D and Y from DAY in MAD GLORY?

Yep!

Is it MUSIC? Sam sang in the Tower ... did Maglor sing of the Fall of Gondolin?

And yep! (Fall of the Noldor, but yes.)

And would that make 4 VAIRE, with the I pushed forward?

Well, it does, but you forgot to push the I forward. The red letter is the first letter.

MAGLOR - Of the fall, mad glory is his, but the day neither begins nor ends.
2.U - You run of four, less nitrogen upon the horn.
SAM - In the tower, the same without the most common.
4.I - The weaver's eye is forward for the most magical, beside the sea.
5.C - That which sits upon the shaft is missing nigh to Angband.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Then the answer must be ... IVARE. A minstrel.

So, which of the remaining answers is Glenn Yarbrough? :D

And who, in Middle-earth, sang 'When I'm Cleaning Winders' and played the UKELELE?

None of them *appear* to be Bombadil - are you saying he isn't musical?

There's an URTHEL, which is an anagram of HURTLE, which sort of means RUN ....

[Huinesoron]

Then the answer must be ... IVARE. A minstrel.

Who plays (pipes, I think) beside the sea, and is one of the Three Most Magical minstrels (with Dairon and Tinfang Warble) in the Book of Lost Tales. Yep!


So, which of the remaining answers is Glenn Yarbrough? :D

And who, in Middle-earth, sang 'When I'm Cleaning Winders' and played the UKELELE?

None of them *appear* to be Bombadil - are you saying he isn't musical?


I'm afraid I couldn't possible comment. :D


There's an URTHEL, which is an anagram of HURTLE, which sort of means RUN ....

Nope, and the run has nothing to do with movement.

(Both remaining clues are characters' names; one is their most common name, the other had to go by a secondary name.)

MAGLOR - Of the fall, mad glory is his, but the day neither begins nor ends.
2.U - You run of four, less nitrogen upon the horn.
SAM - In the tower, the same without the most common.
IVARE - The weaver's eye is forward for the most magical, beside the sea.
5.C - That which sits upon the shaft is missing nigh to Angband.

hS

[Galadriel55]

I must confess myself a little bit stuck. I had some thoughts that the last one could be Fingon, because "missing" = "gone", and he sings nigh to Angband when rescuing Maedhros. But I can't explain the first part, and it certainly doesn't start with C.


Correct and correct (and yes, E is the most common letter in English).

Back in the days when I was a regular on Palantir of Fortune, that was my favourite letter to guess, and I dedicated a fair bit of time looking for sentences with no Es. There are quite a few such, but most are along the lines of "it was raining hard", not quotable material. But then I found it, the best quotable E-less gem in Tolkien. "Uglúk u bagronk sha pushdug Saruman-glob búbhosh skai." :D

[Pervinca Took]

I'm guessing the remaining two answers are obscure ones that don't appear in the Encyclopaedia of Arda. Probably from Lost Tales or something.

Presumably both ULMO and UINEN had something to do with the AINULINDALE, but the U clue doesn't fit with either.

[Huinesoron]

I must confess myself a little bit stuck. I had some thoughts that the last one could be Fingon, because "missing" = "gone", and he sings nigh to Angband when rescuing Maedhros. But I can't explain the first part, and it certainly doesn't start with C.

Fingon is wrong, but you're right that you need a synonym for 'missing', and that he sings outside Angband. Which... really, there's only like one other person who does that I think. Maybe another one if I'm forgetting something.


Back in the days when I was a regular on Palantir of Fortune, that was my favourite letter to guess, and I dedicated a fair bit of time looking for sentences with no Es. There are quite a few such, but most are along the lines of "it was raining hard", not quotable material. But then I found it, the best quotable E-less gem in Tolkien. "Uglúk u bagronk sha pushdug Saruman-glob búbhosh skai." :D

Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakatulûk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. :D

Presumably both ULMO and UINEN had something to do with the AINULINDALE, but the U clue doesn't fit with either.

It is in fact Ulmo (on his horns (https://www.glyphweb.com/arda/u/ulumuri.html)). U + a run of four letters, LMNO, less N for nitrogen. I'm so sorry. ^_~

I'm guessing the remaining two answers are obscure ones that don't appear in the Encyclopaedia of Arda. Probably from Lost Tales or something.

The final character is very well known, and this particular name appears on EoA both in the original Elvish and in translation. Two pages for the price of one!

MAGLOR - Of the fall, mad glory is his, but the day neither begins nor ends.
ULMO - You run of four, less nitrogen upon the horn.
SAM - In the tower, the same without the most common.
IVARE - The weaver's eye is forward for the most magical, beside the sea.
5.C - That which sits upon the shaft is missing nigh to Angband.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

There's CAMLOST, but he only seems to have LOST as a kind of synonym for missing, plus an Angband connection.

[Huinesoron]

There's CAMLOST, but he only seems to have LOST as a kind of synonym for missing, plus an Angband connection.

Camlost it is, by way of cam-shaft. "Farewell, sweet earth and northern sky" etc is the song I was thinking of.

MAGLOR - Of the fall, mad glory is his, but the day neither begins nor ends.
ULMO - You run of four, less nitrogen upon the horn.
SAM - In the tower, the same without the most common.
IVARE - The weaver's eye is forward for the most magical, beside the sea.
CAMLOST - That which sits upon the shaft is missing nigh to Angband.

(He joins the likes of Turin and Beleg in not being generally musical, but having one notable performance in the Great Tales. Surprisingly, I don't think Tuor gets one.)

And we're done! Sorry it was a bit all over the place, I'm not really with it this... month? Season? Half of the year? I don't even know.

Over to you, Pervinca, and well done. :)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Ah, I didn't realise it was Beren who sang that song. I thought Luthien's people sang it about her ... I think I must have read that it was Beren but forgotten it. BTW you mentioned him having 2 names, but wasn't he ERCHAMION as well? (Or does that just mean CAMLOST anyway?)

An excellent password anyway, Huinesoron!

Finding it hard to think up new passwords now, but managed to put together this one:

1. Frodo's bed in the wilderness.
2. Throw a slippery fish to this place, we hear, for her.
3. Alternatively, no distant direction will reveal it.
4. Tea, tube and Christmas may precede her.
5. One ocean, one direction, one vegetable - topped, but not tailed. It's a living thing - deprived twice of nitrogen.

[Huinesoron]

Ah, I didn't realise it was Beren who sang that song. I thought Luthien's people sang it about her ... I think I must have read that it was Beren but forgotten it. BTW you mentioned him having 2 names, but wasn't he ERCHAMION as well? (Or does that just mean CAMLOST anyway?)

I think they're basically synonyms, yeah; I didn't mean to say he only had two names, so sorry about that. :)

hS

[Huinesoron]

I really want #4 to be one of those riddles where you have to find the word that can fit after any of the options. Tea LIGHT, Christmas LIGHT, but not really tube LIGHT... :-/

hS

[Pervinca Took]

I really want #4 to be one of those riddles where you have to find the word that can fit after any of the options. Tea LIGHT, Christmas LIGHT, but not really tube LIGHT... :-/

hS

It IS one of those kinds of riddles.

You maybe haven't shopped for josssticks and fancy soaps as much as I have. ;)

[Huinesoron]

It IS one of those kinds of riddles.

You maybe haven't shopped for josssticks and fancy soaps as much as I have. ;)

I have a shoebox full of incense sticks, but they're all called things like "strawberry" and "sandalwood". ;)

The trouble is, I can do loads of things with tea + christmas, but none of them fit with tube. Actually nothing comes to mind that starts with "tube" other than "tube alloys", and I don't think nuclear weapon programs are relevant.

(Google gets totally lost on "tube map". Ah yes, Christmas map, that well known... thing...)

Actually actually, tube TREE is just about possible, though I'm not convinced by teatree as a soap flavour. ("Her" would presumably be Laurelin or Hirilorn in that case.)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Oxfam used to do packets of lots of little assorted incense sticks in about ten different perfumes. I'm almost certain one of them was tube----

That which we call this, by any other name would smell as sweet. ;)

[Huinesoron]

Oxfam used to do packets of lots of little assorted incense sticks in about ten different perfumes. I'm almost certain one of them was tube----

That which we call this, by any other name would smell as sweet. ;)

Well I learn something new every day. My wife has heard of the tea variety, but the others I had to look up. Is it tubeROSE or tuber-ose, do you know?

(The weirdest incense sticks are always the ones labelled things like "opium". Um... hopefully that's just poppy flavour?!)

#1 could be from this:

Sam sat propped against the stone, his head dropping sideways and his breathing heavy. In his lap lay Frodo's head, drowned deep in sleep; upon his white forehead lay one of Sam's brown hands, and the other lay softly upon his master's breast. Peace was in both their faces.

Which would make it either LAP or SAM.

Oh! #3 is Or+0+far+... something. NE, maybe? Right, OROFARNE, one of Quickbeam's poor rowans.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. Frodo's bed in the wilderness.
2. Throw a slippery fish to this place, we hear, for her.
OROFARNE: Alternatively, no distant direction will reveal it.
ROSE: Tea, tube and Christmas may precede her.
5. One ocean, one direction, one vegetable - topped, but not tailed. It's a living thing - deprived twice of nitrogen.

I've always assumed it's tube-rose, although I've never checked it.

Sam/Lap is a lovely answer, but not the right one. The answer lies in an earlier Frodo and Sam scene.

[Galadriel55]

Sam/Lap is a lovely answer, but not the right one. The answer lies in an earlier Frodo and Sam scene.

Doesn't Frodo complain that a ROOT(s) bored a hole in his back, on their first night without a roof?

Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakatulûk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. :D

And there you have it: to make a language as un-English as possible, take out the Es. ^.^

[Pervinca Took]

Not as early in the story as that. It's from one of the Frodo-Sam-Gollum chapters. Just not the one Huinesoron chose.

[Huinesoron]

Not as early in the story as that. It's from one of the Frodo-Sam-Gollum chapters. Just not the one Huinesoron chose.

It's really interesting how much time Frodo in particular spends sleeping in TTT. I get the feeling Tolkien was drawing specifically on the bone-weariness of living in the trenches, where (apparently) one slept whenever one possibly could, because one never knew when shells would start falling.

Right around the time Sam and Gollum argue about rabbits, Frodo is sleeping on some brown FERNS, which would fit with what might be a plant theme.

... lob eel 'ere. Really, Pervinca? ;) :D

hS

[Pervinca Took]

FERN: Frodo's bed in the wilderness.
LOBELIA: Throw a slippery fish to this place, we hear, for her.
OROFARNE: Alternatively, no distant direction will reveal it.
ROSE: Tea, tube and Christmas may precede her.
5. One ocean, one direction, one vegetable - topped, but not tailed. It's a living thing - deprived twice of nitrogen.

[Urwen]

Password: Flora?

[Pervinca Took]

FERN: Frodo's bed in the wilderness.
LOBELIA: Throw a slippery fish to this place, we hear, for her.
OROFARNE: Alternatively, no distant direction will reveal it.
ROSE: Tea, tube and Christmas may precede her.
A: One ocean, one direction, one vegetable - topped, but not tailed. It's a living thing - deprived twice of nitrogen.

[Galadriel55]

For the final one, ASEA ARANION.

A + sea + A + R + onion... not sure from there on how to get the second half of the sentence into swapping O for A.

[Pervinca Took]

FERN: Frodo's bed in the wilderness.
LOBELIA: Throw a slippery fish to this place, we hear, for her.
OROFARNE: Alternatively, no distant direction will reveal it.
ROSE: Tea, tube and Christmas may precede her.
ASEA ARANION: One ocean, one direction, one vegetable - topped, but not tailed. It's a living thing - deprived twice of nitrogen.

AN 'R,' AN ONION.

Top the onion, (lose its first letter) but don't tail it, (like when you top and tail fruit or veg, like chopping both ends off runner beans).

Lose the N's from both AN's to doubly deprive the remaining letters of nitrogen.

And over to Urwen!

[Urwen]

Inspired by Pervinca's

1. Gollum's favorites.
2. Mix these vegetables for them.
3. You, we hear, are inside. He's there.
4. He goes back to his land, with a vowel switch.
5. Frodo's aunt goes back for a horse.

[Huinesoron]

Is #1... is it fishes, precious? Sweet, juicy, crunchable fishesss?

hS

[Pervinca Took]

5. AROD. (DORA backwards).

Is it FAUNA?

2. APES? (Peas). There must be apes in Middle-earth, because one of the orcs uses the term as an insult.

[Urwen]

FISH: Gollum's favorites.
APES: Mix these vegetables for them.
U: You, we hear, are inside. He's there.
N: He goes back to his land, with a vowel switch.
AROD: Frodo's aunt goes back for a horse.

[Galadriel55]

4. NAHAR? Rohan, land of horses, backwards, and swap O for A.

[Urwen]

FISH: Gollum's favorites.
APES: Mix these vegetables for them.
U: You, we hear, are inside. He's there.
NAHAR: He goes back to his land, with a vowel switch.
AROD: Frodo's aunt goes back for a horse.

[Pervinca Took]

Maybe a clue, Urwen? If he's in The Fall Of Gondolin, my copy is at my dad's.

[Urwen]

Just think about the clues. For example, the 'You, we hear' has the same meaning as when you make it.

[Pervinca Took]

Yes, but we already have the U! ;)

U R IN ....?

[Urwen]

Drop the R.

[Pervinca Took]

Drop the R.

UIN!

A great whale.

[Urwen]

FISH: Gollum's favorites.
APES: Mix these vegetables for them.
UIN: You, we hear, are inside. He's there.
NAHAR: He goes back to his land, with a vowel switch.
AROD: Frodo's aunt goes back for a horse.

And over to you.

[Pervinca Took]

1. More pensive than cunning, in the woods, and the only one not on secondment.
2. One of a pair, to be devoured.
3. Swirl around French milk to find the thing he chases. (Sing!)
4. Pitied by a Ringbearer.
5. Four-legs in a chestnut; fiddler in a song.

[Galadriel55]

The cat and his fiddle, something diddle-diddle, and the cow jumped over the moon.

So #5 CAT?

[Pervinca Took]

1. More pensive than cunning, in the woods, and the only one not on secondment.
2. One of a pair, to be devoured.
3. Swirl around French milk to find the thing he chases. (Sing!)
4. Pitied by a Ringbearer.
CAT: Four-legs in a chestnut; fiddler in a song.

[Urwen]

3. Tail (from LAIT)

[Pervinca Took]

3. Tail (from LAIT)

Yes, but you need the 'he.'

[Urwen]

Little dog?

[Pervinca Took]

Yes.

Can you give me a slang word for dog?

[Urwen]

In which slang?

[Pervinca Took]

English slang.

Think of Dastardly and ****ley. :D

[Urwen]

Mutt?

[Pervinca Took]

1. More pensive than cunning, in the woods, and the only one not on secondment.
2. One of a pair, to be devoured.
MUTT: Swirl around French milk to find the thing he chases. (Sing!)
4. Pitied by a Ringbearer.
CAT: Four-legs in a chestnut; fiddler in a song.

[Urwen]

Maybe 1 is FOX.

[Pervinca Took]

FOX: More pensive than cunning, in the woods, and the only one not on secondment.
2. One of a pair, to be devoured.
MUTT: Swirl around French milk to find the thing he chases. (Sing!)
4. Pitied by a Ringbearer.
CAT: Four-legs in a chestnut; fiddler in a song.

There's no 'maybe' about it.

[Galadriel55]

2. RABBIT, stewed with herbs?

[Pervinca Took]

FOX: More pensive than cunning, in the woods, and the only one not on secondment.
RABBIT: One of a pair, to be devoured.
MUTT: Swirl around French milk to find the thing he chases. (Sing!)
4. Pitied by a Ringbearer.
CAT: Four-legs in a chestnut; fiddler in a song.

Yes. Two of them stopped running that day. No-one thinks of that, do they? ;)

[Urwen]

Is the password 'FAUNA' again?

[Pervinca Took]

FOX: More pensive than cunning, in the woods, and the only one not on secondment.
RABBIT: One of a pair, to be devoured.
MUTT: Swirl around French milk to find the thing he chases. (Sing!)
-N: Pitied by a Ringbearer.
CAT: Four-legs in a chestnut; fiddler in a song.

How did you guess? :D

I'd already written it when you posted yours.

[Urwen]

Oliphaunts for the last one?

[Pervinca Took]

No. N is the second letter.

That's what's meant by the fox being the only one 'not on secondment.'

[Urwen]

Ah. Snails?

[Pervinca Took]

FOX: More pensive than cunning, in the woods, and the only one not on secondment.
RABBIT: One of a pair, to be devoured.
MUTT: Swirl around French milk to find the thing he chases. (Sing!)
SNAILS: Pitied by a Ringbearer.
CAT: Four-legs in a chestnut; fiddler in a song.

'I pity snails, and all who carry their homes on their backs.'

And over to Urwen!

[Urwen]

Well, a quick one, maybe

1. A monetary expression, or a Weasley, for him.
2. Bugs, synonymously, for them.
3. Aredhel, minus two directions (at tail), produces this
4. Consume (in a swirl), or drink this.
5. Steed of the unfortunate, or a bothersome insect, rearranged.

[Pervinca Took]

1. Bill.
4. Tea (from 'eat').

2. Spies? Midges? Neekerbreekers?

[Urwen]

BILL: A monetary expression, or a Weasley, for him.
2. Bugs, synonymously, for them.
3. Aredhel, minus two directions (at tail), produces this
TEA: Consume (in a swirl), or drink this.
5. Steed of the unfortunate, or a bothersome insect, rearranged.


No to the rest. Most of the clues are related to real life things.

[Pervinca Took]

2. Ants /Aunts?

5. Hasufel? (Well, it has 'flea' in it).

[Urwen]

What's another word for 'bugs'?

[Pervinca Took]

Insects.

[Urwen]

BILL: A monetary expression, or a Weasley, for him.
INSECTS: Bugs, synonymously, for them.
3. Verb, initially, and pertaining to mouth. It's all muddled for them.
TEA: Consume (in a swirl), or drink this.
5. Steed of the unfortunate, or a bothersome insect, rearranged.

Yes, also clue 3 was wrong, so I changed it.

[Galadriel55]

3. V + oral = olvar

[Pervinca Took]

5. Snowmane?

Biots for the password, apparently meaning feathers?

[Urwen]

BILL: A monetary expression, or a Weasley, for him.
INSECTS: Bugs, synonymously, for them.
OLVAR: Verb, initially, and pertaining to mouth. It's all muddled for them.
TEA: Consume (in a swirl), or drink this.
5. Steed of the unfortunate, or a bothersome insect, rearranged.

Not Biots, but close by one letter.

[Pervinca Took]

BIOTA?

'The animal and plant life of a particular region.'

ARROCH for the steed? (ROACH + R).

[Pervinca Took]

Urwen?

[Urwen]

BILL: A monetary expression, or a Weasley, for him.
INSECTS: Bugs, synonymously, for them.
OLVAR: Verb, initially, and pertaining to mouth. It's all muddled for them.
TEA: Consume (in a swirl), or drink this.
ARROCH: Steed of the unfortunate, or a bothersome insect, rearranged.

There we go.

[Pervinca Took]

Here we go, then:

1. Shoe loses two pronouns, we 'ear, to reveal it. (4)
2. He describes what a bad rider did, with a pencil top in the exact middle? (2)
3. Elemental trochee reveals him. (4)
4. Illuminated anapaest - see him! (3)
5. Caviar and chicken mingle with a wherefore and lose their way for him? (4)
6. A German dwelling, a fricative, a note and a liquid unite. One of them slightly mingles for him. (6)
7. Mixed up lady in an inverted lens - dehydrated? See him! (1)

[Huinesoron]

It's been a while, but I'm gonna pretend my brain is functioning again...

#5: Roe + hen + y, -... well, either an R, E, or N for a direction. It comes quite close to making ROHERYN, losing the E, but then "a wherefore" needs to be RY / YR, which I can't quite make fit. Also, (4) wouldn't indicate either the spelling or the book/chapter he's in (though could be 'what was the last Age he lived in), and, er... I don't know that Roheryn is even a male horse. :D

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. Shoe loses two pronouns, we 'ear, to reveal it. (4)
2. He describes what a bad rider did, with a pencil top in the exact middle? (2)
3. Elemental trochee reveals him. (4)
4. Illuminated anapaest - see him! (3)
ROHERYN: Caviar and chicken mingle with a wherefore, initially gain rhubarb and lose their way for him? (4)
6. A German dwelling, a fricative, a note and a liquid unite. One of them slightly mingles for him. (6)
7. Mixed up lady in an inverted lens - dehydrated? See him! (1)

Sorry, there was an R not accounted for, but I've edited the clue so it now works fully. (The lost direction was one of the E's). Just the Y for 'wherefore.'

I think you can probably guess what the numbers are for now. ;)

[Huinesoron]

I think you can probably guess what the numbers are for now.

Of course. E is the fifth letter in the alphabet, and is numbered 4, so the key letter must be one after the numbers! :D:D:D

#4: would this be light + (metrical) foot = LIGHTFOOT?

And #3 is his second cousin, Californiumfoot... no? Oh, all right, I'll go with FIREFOOT, steed of Eomer, instead.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. Shoe loses two pronouns, we 'ear, to reveal it. (4)
2. Sounds like he describes what a bad rider did, with a pencil top right in the exact middle? (2)
FIREFOOT: Elemental trochee reveals him. (4)
LIGHTFOOT: Illuminated anapaest - see him! (3)
ROHERYN: Caviar and chicken mingle with a wherefore, initially gain rhubarb and lose their way for him? (4)
6. A German dwelling, a fricative, a note and a liquid unite. One of them slightly mingles for him. (6)
7. Mixed up lady in an inverted lens - dehydrated? See him! (1)

Ausgezeichnet!

[Galadriel55]

A bad rider falls off the horse... so maybe 2. Hasufel?

[Pervinca Took]

A bad rider falls off the horse... so maybe 2. Hasufel?

Correct reasoning, but a different one, and remember the pencil top.

[Huinesoron]

Correct reasoning, but a different one, and remember the pencil top.

Could be FELAROF, from fell off + ... ar. Perhaps the pencil is a pirate?

Oh, but #6 could be haus + f-e-l = HASUFEL.

Hmm... is the password GEEGEES?

And if so, with no obvious derivation but a G in the right place and rightly being an 'it', could #1 be WARG?

(Actually I have no idea whether any orcs actually ride wolves in the books - did they just run along next to them in The Hobbit?)

hS

[Galadriel55]

(Actually I have no idea whether any orcs actually ride wolves in the books - did they just run along next to them in The Hobbit?)

hS

I am pretty sure the concept of wolf-riding is a book thing. Hang on, I'll find some actual reference.

...

I saw the enemy go: endless lines of marching Orcs; and troops of them mounted on great wolves. -Flotsam and Jetsam

[Pervinca Took]

1. Shoe loses two pronouns, we 'ear, to reveal it. (4)
FELAROF: Sounds like he describes what a bad rider did, with a pencil top right in the exact middle and a direction following thereafter? (2)
FIREFOOT: Elemental trochee reveals him. (4)
LIGHTFOOT: Illuminated anapaest - see him! (3)
ROHERYN: Caviar and chicken mingle with a wherefore, initially gain rhubarb and lose their way for him? (4)
HASUFEL: A German dwelling, a fricative, a note and a liquid unite. One of them slightly mingles for him. (6)
7. Mixed up lady in an inverted lens - dehydrated? See him! (1)

PASSWORD: GEEGEES

A capital A looks like the top of a pencil.

But it needed an R, so have amended the clue.

No to WARG; it's the hardest one ... though not to a Tolkien language expert like your good self. ;)

[Huinesoron]

O-kay then, there's a very old word BROG, meaning 'horse'; it got replaced by the more familiar roch, roh. You can derive it by taking 'brogue', which is apparently a shoe, and removing you and he - I mean 'e.

As for #7... I have no idea. I want it to contain glass (or spec) and dry, but can't come up with any S-horses which contain either of them, let alone both.

hS

[Galadriel55]

I think I got 7 by working backwards from list of horses that start with S.

SNOWMANE = LENS (backwards) + WOMAN - L (no liquid = dehydrated)

[Pervinca Took]

BROG: Shoe loses two pronouns, we 'ear, to reveal it. (4)
FELAROF: Sounds like he describes what a bad rider did, with a pencil top right in the exact middle and a direction following thereafter? (2)
FIREFOOT: Elemental trochee reveals him. (4)
LIGHTFOOT: Illuminated anapaest - see him! (3)
ROHERYN: Caviar and chicken mingle with a wherefore, initially gain rhubarb and lose their way for him? (4)
HASUFEL: A German dwelling, a fricative, a note and a liquid unite. One of them slightly mingles for him. (6)
SNOWMANE: Mixed up lady in an inverted lens - dehydrated? See him! (1)

PASSWORD: GEEGEES

Well done both, and over to Huinesoron! :)

[Huinesoron]

Thanks Pervinca! It's been... yeah, it's been a while since I've done one of these, but hopefully it hangs together.

1. - Take a bow, Halfelven, starless but wearing your ring.
2. - Sounds like more flesh from the sky.
3. - A warrior paints and takes tea before Indy's lost city.
4. - Fourth in the race, we hear in Gondor their cars had bladed wheels.
5. - Slightly confused tint of wood? Why not briefly look behind the cellar door third.
6. - Short or shorter - see, you know not, nor I.

hS

[Galadriel55]

I am trying to find some clever thing with C's and U's for the last one, but for now the only name I could get out of it was NORI.

[Pervinca Took]

Or maybe ORI, as shorter than NORI?

[Huinesoron]

I am trying to find some clever thing with C's and U's for the last one, but for now the only name I could get out of it was NORI.

Nori is correct. You're making me want to try and come up with a puzzle which has the same cryptic clue for every answer, just interpreted differently. :D

1. - Take a bow, Halfelven, starless but wearing your ring.
2. - Sounds like more flesh from the sky.
3. - A warrior paints and takes tea before Indy's lost city.
4. - Fourth in the race, we hear in Gondor their cars had bladed wheels.
5. - Slightly confused tint of wood? Why not briefly look behind the cellar door third.
NORI - Short or shorter - see, you know not, nor I.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1 has to have something to do with ELROND. But taking out the star just leaves ROND.

Unless it's the Ring of Barahir.

Is it Arwen without her starry epesse?

[Pervinca Took]

Perhaps 2 is a MEATeorite. :D

I'll get me coat.

[Huinesoron]

1 has to have something to do with ELROND. But taking out the star just leaves ROND.

That's half of the answer (well, just over half).

Perhaps 2 is a MEATeorite. :D

I'll get me coat.

... :D

1. - Take a bow, Halfelven, starless but wearing your ring.
METEOR - Sounds like more flesh from the sky.
3. - A warrior paints and takes tea before Indy's lost city.
4. - Fourth in the race, we hear in Gondor their cars had bladed wheels.
5. - Slightly confused tint of wood? Why not briefly look behind the cellar door third.
NORI - Short or shorter - see, you know not, nor I.

"Meatier."

hS

[Galadriel55]

Does 4 have to do with CARNIVORES? Car knife O's...

[Pervinca Took]

1. ELERONDO, his Quenya name?

No. Doesn't make sense, apart from adding an O.

[Pervinca Took]

The man in the moon fell 'like a meteor,' as I recall.

Unfortunately, though, I think it was Dori, not Nori, who fell down under the Misty Mountains, causing Bilbo to fall (off his back) too.

[Huinesoron]

Does 4 have to do with CARNIVORES? Car knife O's...

Sneaky, but no. Only part of that is relevant.

1. ELERONDO, his Quenya name?

No. Doesn't make sense, apart from adding an O.

I didn't say a ring, I said his ring.

The man in the moon fell 'like a meteor,' as I recall.

Unfortunately, though, I think it was Dori, not Nori, who fell down under the Misty Mountains, causing Bilbo to fall (off his back) too.

Sadly none of this is relevant.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Is it where he takes a bow and leaves - something to do with the Havens?

Did he have Vilya yet when he last wielded a bow?

Is it just Vilya?

[Huinesoron]

Is it where he takes a bow and leaves - something to do with the Havens?

Did he have Vilya yet when he last wielded a bow?

Is it just Vilya?

"Take a bow" has nothing to do with Elrond (it's the straight clue). Vilya is the ring in question, but with "ROND" is part of the cryptic clue (and not by that name).

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Take a bow, Halfelven, starless but wearing your ring.

BELTHRONDING has the whole of ELROND in it, so it isn't starless, but I don't know any other named bows, except ones named by saying who owns them.

[Huinesoron]

Take a bow, Halfelven, starless but wearing your ring.

BELTHRONDING has the whole of ELROND in it, so it isn't starless, but I don't know any other named bows, except ones named by saying who owns them.

The answer is not a bow, but that is the right sort of bow.

3 and 4 are probably the ones you're most likely to get.

hS

[Galadriel55]

After meditating on the clues without any success for the last few days, I still haven't come up with any answer, but I think I found the one connection between "Nori" and "meteor"........

Password: AMAZON

...Making it the hobbit Nori, not the Dwarf Nori.



Which probably makes #1 that guy... wassisname... Arondir? AIR + ROND.

[Huinesoron]

After meditating on the clues without any success for the last few days, I still haven't come up with any answer, but I think I found the one connection between "Nori" and "meteor"........

Password: AMAZON

...Making it the hobbit Nori, not the Dwarf Nori.

Bingo (which is a better Hobbit name than Nori)!


Which probably makes #1 that guy... wassisname... Arondir? AIR + ROND.

Correct; a partial Elrond wearing the Ring of Air.

ARONDIR - Take a bow, Halfelven, starless but wearing your ring.
METEOR - Sounds like more flesh from the sky.
3. A - A warrior paints and takes tea before Indy's lost city.
4. Z - Fourth in the race, we hear in Gondor their cars had bladed wheels.
5. O - Slightly confused tint of wood? Why not briefly look behind the cellar door third.
NORI - Short or shorter - see, you know not, nor I.

Two of the remaining three are Tolkien terms; the other has been introduced by the Amazon show.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

No idea why, but could O be OCHRE - a colour with the sound of OAK in it?

[Huinesoron]

No idea why, but could O be OCHRE - a colour with the sound of OAK in it?

It's not, I'm afraid.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

The lost city from Indiana Jones would appear to be PETRA.

Possibly a part of that answer?

[Huinesoron]

The lost city from Indiana Jones would appear to be PETRA.

Possibly a part of that answer?

Right Indy, wrong movie. (I don't think Petra was playing itself in Last Crusade, but either way it's not that.)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Other options seem to be:

Ceiba
Z
Eldorado

Can anyone else who's around do anything with these? I'm a bit busy at the moment.

[Huinesoron]

Other options seem to be:

Ceiba
Z
Eldorado

Can anyone else who's around do anything with these? I'm a bit busy at the moment.

It is not those either (wow, so many lost cities!). This is the city from the first film, Raiders of the Lost Ark.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

TANIS.

ARTANIS? Not enough of the cryptic stuff in it, I suppose. Am guessing something longer, but ending in TANIS.

[Huinesoron]

TANIS.

ARTANIS? Not enough of the cryptic stuff in it, I suppose. Am guessing something longer, but ending in TANIS.

That's her! Straight clue is "a warrior"; "paints and takes tea" means ART - T. :)

(I actually knew Tanis was a city, but had to look up why I knew it. Was dreading having to clue a random Egyptian city!)

ARONDIR - Take a bow, Halfelven, starless but wearing your ring.
METEOR - Sounds like more flesh from the sky.
ARTANIS - A warrior paints and takes tea before Indy's lost city.
4. Z - Fourth in the race, we hear in Gondor their cars had bladed wheels.
5. O - Slightly confused tint of wood? Why not briefly look behind the cellar door third.
NORI - Short or shorter - see, you know not, nor I.

Two to go! Both had to use a non-initial letter, and indicate this.

hS

[Galadriel55]

I had to open up the movie threads again to remind me the other show names, and I think O matches to BRONWYN.

Looking at it, it makes sense as BROWN + Y. N. (for why not). Not sure what cellar doors have got to do with it. Is she in a cellar in one of the promo photos? I kept looking for actual wood types that might also be tints, but this was much simpler.

[Huinesoron]

I had to open up the movie threads again to remind me the other show names, and I think O matches to BRONWYN.

Looking at it, it makes sense as BROWN + Y. N. (for why not). Not sure what cellar doors have got to do with it. Is she in a cellar in one of the promo photos? I kept looking for actual wood types that might also be tints, but this was much simpler.

This is correct, and Bronwyn is normally a Welsh name:

Most English-speaking people … will admit that cellar door is "beautiful," especially if dissociated from its sense (and from its spelling). More beautiful than, say, sky, and far more beautiful than beautiful... Well then, in Welsh, for me cellar doors are extraordinarily frequent...

(It is worth noting that Tolkien was speaking with an English accent, so probably pronouncing it "Sellador".)

ARONDIR - Take a bow, Halfelven, starless but wearing your ring.
METEOR - Sounds like more flesh from the sky.
ARTANIS - A warrior paints and takes tea before Indy's lost city.
4. Z - Fourth in the race, we hear in Gondor their cars had bladed wheels.
BRONWYN - Slightly confused tint of wood? Why not briefly look behind the cellar door third.
NORI - Short or shorter - see, you know not, nor I.

One to go! It's a purely Tolkien clue, with no references to the series except that the answer appears therein.

hS

[Galadriel55]

After days of going in my mind through every Numenorian Z-containing name I could think of, I thought - how about think of actual races, there aren't that many of them.

KHAZAD

No idea how or why, but it fits the letter. "Cars had"? But why Gondor, or wheels?

[Huinesoron]

After days of going in my mind through every Numenorian Z-containing name I could think of, I thought - how about think of actual races, there aren't that many of them.

KHAZAD

No idea how or why, but it fits the letter. "Cars had"? But why Gondor, or wheels?

Spot on! No reason for the Gondorian wheels, the clue was "we hear in...", and indeed, you heard in.

ARONDIR - Take a bow, Halfelven, starless but wearing your ring.
METEOR - Sounds like more flesh from the sky.
ARTANIS - A warrior paints and takes tea before Indy's lost city.
KHAZAD - Fourth in the race, we hear in Gondor their cars had bladed wheels.
BRONWYN - Slightly confused tint of wood? Why not briefly look behind the cellar door third.
NORI - Short or shorter - see, you know not, nor I.

And that's done. Over to G55 I believe.

hS

[Galadriel55]

Another daft idea for a password that will probably make you roll your eyes... Not quite the ideal I was striving for, but maybe the next best thing. Enjoy.

As a warning, none of the password letters are the first letters of the clues, as indicated by the brackets.



1. Cross half a river and one more, going erratically north with him. (5)
2. He steals back north after one short night. (4)
3. There is half a river and a whole man. (4)
4. Alone, before you steal back. (5)
5. He plays a harp haphazardly over halfway into the river. (4)
6. He crosses half a river with one going north, and thus gains one for naught. (8)
7. Three quarters of a river mix with a gland in a cave. (6)
8. He crossed half a river and one more, going round ‘n round without you. (4)
9. After you steal back, go north with these people. (4)
10. He takes a cloth to the other half of the river, in where it’s at. (6)

[Urwen]

Is the river mentioned in the clues the same one?

[Galadriel55]

Is the river mentioned in the clues the same one?

Yes.

[Pervinca Took]

2. NAIN?

NI + A + N, 'back'wards.

7. AGLAROND?

If so, ARO is 3/4 of the river. Is the river AROS, then, and an element in all the clues? My only concern is that I think AGLAROND is plural.

[Galadriel55]

2. NAIN?

NI + A + N, 'back'wards.

No, but you have some elements right.

7. AGLAROND?

If so, ARO is 3/4 of the river. Is the river AROS, then, and an element in all the clues? My only concern is that I think AGLAROND is plural.

You are correct on all counts - and my bad, of course it is plural, don't know what I was thinking.
(All the clues? Not necessarily. But as I said above, the river is the same river).



1. Cross half a river and one more, going erratically north with him. (5)
2. He steals back north after one short night. (4)
3. There is half a river and a whole man. (4)
4. Alone, before you steal back. (5)
5. He plays a harp haphazardly over halfway into the river. (4)
6. He crosses half a river with one going north, and thus gains one for naught. (8)
7. AGLAROND: Three quarters of a river mix with a gland in a cave. (6)
8. He crossed half a river and one more, going round ‘n round without you. (4)
9. After you steal back, go north with these people. (4)
10. He takes a cloth to the other half of the river, in where it’s at. (6)

[Urwen]

8. Air (ar+i)


5. Pharazon (harp + ar + ???)

[Urwen]

And 2 is Borin, if my reasoning is right.

[Urwen]

3. Araman (AR+A+MAN)

[Urwen]

4. Erebor (ERE+BOR)

[Urwen]

1. Arathorn?

[Galadriel55]

1. ARATHORN: Cross half a river and one more, going erratically north with him. (5)
2. He steals back north after one short night. (4)
3. ARAMAN: There is half a river and a whole man. (4)
4. EREBOR: Alone, before you steal back. (5)
5. He plays a harp haphazardly over halfway into the river. (4)
6. He crosses half a river with one going north, and thus gains one for naught. (8)
7. AGLAROND: Three quarters of a river mix with a gland in a cave. (6)
8. He crossed half a river and one more, going round ‘n round without you. (4)
9. After you steal back, go north with these people. (4)
10. He takes a cloth to the other half of the river, in where it’s at. (6)


No to the guesses for 2, 5, 8.

[Urwen]

2. Boron?

[Galadriel55]

No again. I can tell you are using most of the clues elements, but there is one you left out. You are like 90% there.

[Urwen]

Maybe I am looking it the wrong way, then...


Robin? Borondir?

[Urwen]

10. Aragost? (RAG+OS inside AT)

[Galadriel55]

Maybe I am looking it the wrong way, then...


Robin? Borondir?

No. You had "steal back" correct, but need to work on incorporating the rest of the clue correctly. Look back at Pervinca's guess for that clue, she had an element that you didn't.

Yes to Aragost.


1. ARATHORN: Cross half a river and one more, going erratically north with him. (5)
2. He steals back north after one short night. (4)
3. ARAMAN: There is half a river and a whole man. (4)
4. EREBOR: Alone, before you steal back. (5)
5. He plays a harp haphazardly over halfway into the river. (4)
6. He crosses half a river with one going north, and thus gains one for naught. (8)
7. AGLAROND: Three quarters of a river mix with a gland in a cave. (6)
8. He crossed half a river and one more, going round ‘n round without you. (4)
9. After you steal back, go north with these people. (4)
10. ARAGOST: He takes a cloth to the other half of the river, in where it’s at. (6)

[Urwen]

Could the password be HOMOPHONES?

[Urwen]

Mine used the same system.


BOR (ROB backwards)
I (Roman numeral, one)
N (Short night.)

[Urwen]

Oh, wait. It says 'after' not before.


So, it should be either INBOR or ANBOR.

[Urwen]

Or Anborn?

[Pervinca Took]

Could the password be HOMOPHONES?

Ah! That's interesting.

Homophones of what, though?

[Pervinca Took]

Or Anborn?

Anborn seems to fulfil the cryptic criteria perfectly.

[Galadriel55]

1. ARATHORN: Cross half a river and one more, going erratically north with him. (5)
2. ANBORN: He steals back north after one short night. (4)
3. ARAMAN: There is half a river and a whole man. (4)
4. EREBOR: Alone, before you steal back. (5)
5. P He plays a harp haphazardly over halfway into the river. (4)
6. H He crosses half a river with one going north, and thus gains one for naught. (8)
7. AGLAROND: Three quarters of a river mix with a gland in a cave. (6)
8. N He crossed half a river and one more, going round ‘n round without you. (4)
9. E After you steal back, go north with these people. (4)
10. ARAGOST: He takes a cloth to the other half of the river, in where it’s at. (6)


Ah! That's interesting.

Homophones of what, though?

Near-homophones of each other. There are certain patterns in Tolkien's names where everything sounds alike, it's all made up of pretty much the same limited set of sounds slightly rearranged. Plus one or two of very similar style but an unrelated pattern, thrown in there for giggles, because they still use a very similar sound palette.

[Urwen]

5. Araphor?

[Galadriel55]

Correct.


1. ARATHORN: Cross half a river and one more, going erratically north with him. (5)
2. ANBORN: He steals back north after one short night. (4)
3. ARAMAN: There is half a river and a whole man. (4)
4. EREBOR: Alone, before you steal back. (5)
5. ARAPHOR: He plays a harp haphazardly over halfway into the river. (4)
6. H He crosses half a river with one going north, and thus gains one for naught. (8)
7. AGLAROND: Three quarters of a river mix with a gland in a cave. (6)
8. N He crossed half a river and one more, going round ‘n round without you. (4)
9. E After you steal back, go north with these people. (4)
10. ARAGOST: He takes a cloth to the other half of the river, in where it’s at. (6)

[Urwen]

I'll let others try to solve the rest.

[Pervinca Took]

ARAHAD or ARAHAEL would fit 6 ... but both only work until I get to the 'going north' bit.

Unless north is a reference to the northern kingdom (held by these chieftains in exile) ...?

[Galadriel55]

ARAHAD or ARAHAEL would fit 6 ... but both only work until I get to the 'going north' bit.

Unless north is a reference to the northern kingdom (held by these chieftains in exile) ...?

You are right about the first half, and you're right to look to the chieftains. "North" is an element, not a straight clue - but it's used differently here than in the other clues. One of your guesses is an immediate relation to the answer.

[Urwen]

6. Aranarth?

[Galadriel55]

Yes.



1. ARATHORN: Cross half a river and one more, going erratically north with him. (5)
2. ANBORN: He steals back north after one short night. (4)
3. ARAMAN: There is half a river and a whole man. (4)
4. EREBOR: Alone, before you steal back. (5)
5. ARAPHOR: He plays a harp haphazardly over halfway into the river. (4)
6. ARANARTH: He crosses half a river with one going north, and thus gains one for naught. (8)
7. AGLAROND: Three quarters of a river mix with a gland in a cave. (6)
8. N He crossed half a river and one more, going round ‘n round without you. (4)
9. E After you steal back, go north with these people. (4)
10. ARAGOST: He takes a cloth to the other half of the river, in where it’s at. (6)

[Pervinca Took]

8. Arandor?

[Galadriel55]

Yes.


1. ARATHORN: Cross half a river and one more, going erratically north with him. (5)
2. ANBORN: He steals back north after one short night. (4)
3. ARAMAN: There is half a river and a whole man. (4)
4. EREBOR: Alone, before you steal back. (5)
5. ARAPHOR: He plays a harp haphazardly over halfway into the river. (4)
6. ARANARTH: He crosses half a river with one going north, and thus gains one for naught. (8)
7. AGLAROND: Three quarters of a river mix with a gland in a cave. (6)
8. ARANDOR: He crossed half a river and one more, going round ‘n round without you. (4)
9. E After you steal back, go north with these people. (4)
10. ARAGOST: He takes a cloth to the other half of the river, in where it’s at. (6)



The last one is different from the rest. Don't bother looking through chieftains. And think about the straight clue.

[Urwen]

So...the straight clue refers to some people, and the solution contains BOR somewhere...

[Galadriel55]

So...the straight clue refers to some people, and the solution contains BOR somewhere...

Yes.

[Pervinca Took]

Pity PEREDHIL and DRUEDAIN don't fit with the cryptic clues.

BEORNINGS has BOR, but the E is in the wrong place.

Anything to do with CELEBORN or CELEBRIMBOR, who are sort of near-homophones for Erebor?

[Galadriel55]

Pity PEREDHIL and DRUEDAIN don't fit with the cryptic clues.

BEORNINGS has BOR, but the E is in the wrong place.

Anything to do with CELEBORN or CELEBRIMBOR, who are sort of near-homophones for Erebor?

None of the above, sadly. The answer is more of a sound-alike with Anborn than Erebor.

[Urwen]

Oh, I see it now.

AFTER you BOR, go N (orth) with these people.

Am I right?

[Galadriel55]

Indeed!



1. ARATHORN: Cross half a river and one more, going erratically north with him. (5)
2. ANBORN: He steals back north after one short night. (4)
3. ARAMAN: There is half a river and a whole man. (4)
4. EREBOR: Alone, before you steal back. (5)
5. ARAPHOR: He plays a harp haphazardly over halfway into the river. (4)
6. ARANARTH: He crosses half a river with one going north, and thus gains one for naught. (8)
7. AGLAROND: Three quarters of a river mix with a gland in a cave. (6)
8. ARANDOR: He crossed half a river and one more, going round ‘n round without you. (4)
9. AFTERBORN: After you steal back, go north with these people. (4)
10. ARAGOST: He takes a cloth to the other half of the river, in where it’s at. (6)



And over to Urwen, who has swept this password away in record time.

[Urwen]

Well, I wouldn't have without Pervinca finding Aros.

New password soon.

[Urwen]

This one should be easier.

1. A pirate says he plays a distorted harp before an endless zone.
2. A black viscous substance precedes Ron's aunt with a vowel switch, for her.
3. An endless pickle follows a man. He emerges.
4. He is an aristocrat of the globe, literally.
5. An Egyptian god is mirrored inside a negative ion for him.
6. Finrod's moniker and sword's handle combine in disarray to reveal the burned one.
7. A sauce and a lowland, mixed, reveal a good king.
8. He sounds like an electronic legume.

[Galadriel55]

1. PHARAZON - Ar + Harp + Zon(e)

[Urwen]

Not quite. You forgot one element.

[Galadriel55]

Oh, Ar- Pharazon. I even wrote the Ar in the break down, but got a little overexcited with the answer.

[Pervinca Took]

This one should be easier.

1. A pirate says he plays a distorted harp before an endless zone.
2. A black viscous substance precedes Ron's aunt with a vowel switch, for her.
3. An endless pickle follows a man. He emerges.
4. He is an aristocrat of the globe, literally.
5. An Egyptian god is mirrored inside a negative ion for him.
6. Finrod's moniker and sword's handle combine in disarray to reveal the burned one.
7. A sauce and a lowland, mixed, reveal a good king.
8. He sounds like an electronic legume.

3. A MAN DIL(L) ?

2. TAR something ... Ron Weasley has a Great Aunt Tessie. But looking further, he also has an Aunt Muriel. So, TAR-MIRIEL.

Is the password ATALANTE?

4. Lord of the something? Was there a Lord of a Palantir?

[Urwen]

AR-PHARAZON: A pirate says he plays a distorted harp before an endless zone.
TAR-MIRIEL: A black viscous substance precedes Ron's aunt with a vowel switch, for her.
AMANDIL: An endless pickle follows a man. He emerges.
L: He is an aristocrat of the globe, literally.
A: An Egyptian god is mirrored inside a negative ion for him.
N: Finrod's moniker and sword's handle combine in disarray to reveal the burned one.
T: A sauce and a lowland, mixed, reveal a good king.
E: He sounds like an electronic legume.

[Pervinca Took]

A = ANARION?

ANION with RA mirrored inside.

N = NOM + HILT = NIMLOTH.

[Galadriel55]

ELENDIL for the last one, as e-lentil?

[Urwen]

Precisely.

AR-PHARAZON: A pirate says he plays a distorted harp before an endless zone.
TAR-MIRIEL: A black viscous substance precedes Ron's aunt with a vowel switch, for her.
AMANDIL: An endless pickle follows a man. He emerges.
L: He is an aristocrat of the globe, literally.
ANARION: An Egyptian god is mirrored inside a negative ion for him.
NIMLOTH: Finrod's moniker and sword's handle combine in disarray to reveal the burned one.
T: A sauce and a lowland, mixed, reveal a good king.
ELENDIL: He sounds like an electronic legume.

[Pervinca Took]

Is L Lord something?

Lord of the Rings?

Lord of the World?

Problem is, if the globe isn't a jewel, Middle-earth isn't a globe yet.

Lord Eru/Illuvatar, who then makes it one?

[Urwen]

AR-PHARAZON: A pirate says he plays a distorted harp before an endless zone.
TAR-MIRIEL: A black viscous substance precedes Ron's aunt with a vowel switch, for her.
AMANDIL: An endless pickle follows a man. He emerges.
LORD OF THE WORLD: He is an aristocrat of the globe, literally.
ANARION: An Egyptian god is mirrored inside a negative ion for him.
NIMLOTH: Finrod's moniker and sword's handle combine in disarray to reveal the burned one.
T: A sauce and a lowland, mixed, reveal a good king.
ELENDIL: He sounds like an electronic legume.

[Galadriel55]

I want the last one to be Tar-Palantir. PLAIN + ... oh, TARTAR. So yes, TAR PALANTIR for the answer.

[Urwen]

So it is.

AR-PHARAZON: A pirate says he plays a distorted harp before an endless zone.
TAR-MIRIEL: A black viscous substance precedes Ron's aunt with a vowel switch, for her.
AMANDIL: An endless pickle follows a man. He emerges.
LORD OF THE WORLD: He is an aristocrat of the globe, literally.
ANARION: An Egyptian god is mirrored inside a negative ion for him.
NIMLOTH: Finrod's moniker and sword's handle combine in disarray to reveal the burned one.
TAR-PALANTIR: A sauce and a lowland, mixed, reveal a good king.
ELENDIL: He sounds like an electronic legume.

And over to Pervinca.

[Pervinca Took]

Ah, I was using tartar and mint, and even taco and soy, but I was using dales, vales and valleys. ;)

Nice one, Urwen, and neat work, G55.

I'll have a password ready soon.

[Pervinca Took]

1. Rave, bolt around, but find the little town!
2. Animated king combines with vault for a mount.
3. Iniquity and muck combine for him.
4. Stone me! A book without a beast. Or an article.
5. Gift of a street map book, mirrored within a small round toy one short November.
6. Here is a North Oxford college in minimal confusion.
7. Oh la la! It helps if you look for her carefully. (She’s running along, as was her wont).
8. He’s easily confused with the middle name of Christopher’s sometime helper.
9. A weapon showing effects of peroxide? There’s three scattered inside, barring the loss of direction – and most of it falls in a clump.
10. It’s here, somewhere in this newly risen garden.
11. A very flower of a priest?

[Urwen]

7. Lalaith. (I see what you did there.)

[Urwen]

10. Isengard.

[Pervinca Took]

1. Rave, bolt around, but find the little town!
2. Animated king combines with vault for a mount.
3. Iniquity and muck combine for him.
4. Stone me! A book without a beast. Or an article.
5. Gift of a street map book, mirrored within a small round toy one short November.
6. Here is a North Oxford college in minimal confusion.
LALAITH: Oh la la! It helps if you look for her carefully. (She’s running along, as was her wont).
8. He’s easily confused with the middle name of Christopher’s sometime helper.
9. A weapon showing effects of peroxide? There’s three scattered inside, barring the loss of direction – and most of it falls in a clump.
ISENGARD: It’s here, somewhere in this newly risen garden.
11. A very flower of a priest?

Yes indeed.

[Galadriel55]

I think we might need a hint or two, Pervinca. I'm dry.

[Pervinca Took]

I think we might need a hint or two, Pervinca. I'm dry.

OK!

Number 1 is easy, and doesn't use synonyms.

Number 2 uses not a Tolkien king, but a king who gives his name to a set of British books created in 1980, and, (as I actually remember), a cartoon. There was a Viking leader with the same name, but I don't know if he has any connection with the cartoon king. I had a feeling I'd need to give a hint for that one.

Number 3 uses synonyms, but fairly easy ones.

For the final one, think of a Christian priest who is performing a ritual.

[Huinesoron]

I do keep coming back to this, but always get nowhere.

#2 is probably King Rollo, but apart from being very sad that it's not an Oliver Postgate clue I don't know where to go next.

#5: the street map book is probably an A-Z, and 'one short November' sounds like "in". So... ????ZA????IN. The toy could be a ball, but Balzalin isn't a thing.

-- wait. If the toy is a yo-yo, and "small" means it's missing a letter, this could be yo + z-a + y + an == YOZAYAN, an Adunaic name for Numenor.

#6: By pulling out a list of Oxford colleges, it looks like Oriel could become ERIOL, if we're feeling Lost Tales-ish.

#8: The middle name in question is probably Gavriel (as in Guy Kay), but, like... that just leads to GABRIEL, who's not very Middle-earthy.

#9: I ran down a chemical blind alley before realising that the effect of peroxide is probably just "bleach". Or white?

#11: I'm thinking hard about this priest of yours, but he's not giving me the answer; just muttering in Latin. :D

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. Rave, bolt around, but find the little town!
2. Animated king combines with vault for a mount.
3. Iniquity and muck combine for him.
4. Stone me! A book without a beast. Or an article.
YOZAYAN: Gift of a street map book, mirrored within a small round toy one short November.
6. Here is a North Oxford college in minimal confusion.
LALAITH: Oh la la! It helps if you look for her carefully. (She’s running along, as was her wont).
8. He’s easily confused with the middle name of Christopher’s sometime helper.
9. A weapon showing effects of peroxide? There’s three scattered inside, barring the loss of direction – and most of it falls in a clump.
ISENGARD: It’s here, somewhere in this newly risen garden.
11. A very flower of a priest?



2. ROLLO is the correct element. But what two things can 'mount' mean? And what is a vault?

6. So is ORIEL. I'm not 100% sure which part of Oxford ORIEL is in, but take North as a separate element anyway.

'Gift' was the straight clue for Yozayan, with A for one and N for the short November.

9. What does peroxide CAUSE?

8. No, it stays at GAVRIEL, until it gets switched around. Try running it through an anagram machine. There are a few on the internet.

[Huinesoron]

2. ROLLO is the correct element. But what two things can 'mount' mean? And what is a vault?

A mount is a horse, a hill, or something to put things on. A vault is a safe, a cellar, or a jump. ROCHALLOR at least has Rollo, but I can't put anything useful together out of 'char'.


6. So is ORIEL. I'm not 100% sure which part of Oxford ORIEL is in, but take North as a separate element anyway.


Noriel... cripes, that sounds like an Amazon name for a dwarf-elf halfbreed. Roniel. Niroel. Nope, clearly too tired.


'Gift' was the straight clue for Yozayan, with A for one and N for the short November.


Yay I got one. ^_^ ^_^


9. What does peroxide CAUSE?


Rapid pressure increases, oxygen-rich explosions, masses of paperwork, and ultimately me having to revise my labels yet again. Sorry, I'm literally a peroxide regulatory chemist now, I am useless when it comes to general knowledge on it.


8. No, it stays at GAVRIEL, until it gets switched around. Try running it through an anagram machine. There are a few on the internet.

Oh, yeah, 'confused' is an anagram indicator. I am smart, I promise. :D

ARVEGIL, eleventh king of Arthedain? (Presumably originally Somethingelsevegil, since it would be a bit of a risk to stick "Ara-" on your firstborn's name when he might die and need a replacement. Perhaps he was originally named Mormegil, stealing the trick from the Stewards of Gondor of just ripping off the Silm.)

hS

[Galadriel55]

Rapid pressure increases, oxygen-rich explosions, masses of paperwork, and ultimately me having to revise my labels yet again. Sorry, I'm literally a peroxide regulatory chemist now, I am useless when it comes to general knowledge on it.

Lol, to each their own. My own (much shorter) list of effects of peroxide was "disinfection". :D

Before Pervinca's hint about what it causes, I was dead set on something that contained Hx2 and Ox2, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Umm... it causes... bubbles? Oxidation?



11. Great Water? Great for "very", water for "flower" (meh?), and of the most frequent rituals performed by priests, baptism certainly involves water.

[Pervinca Took]

1. Rave, bolt around, but find the little town!
ROCHALLOR: Animated king combines with vault for a mount.
3. Iniquity and muck combine for him.
4. Stone me! A book without a beast. Or an article.
YOZAYAN: Gift of a street map book, mirrored within a small round toy one short November.
6. Here is a North Oxford college in minimal confusion.
LALAITH: Oh la la! It helps if you look for her carefully. (She’s running along, as was her wont).
ARVEGIL: He’s easily confused with the middle name of Christopher’s sometime helper.
9. A weapon showing effects of peroxide? There’s three scattered inside, barring the loss of direction – but most of it falls in a clump.
ISENGARD: It’s here, somewhere in this newly risen garden.
11. A very flower of a priest?

VAULT can apparently be a synonym of ARCH.

9. Look at all the named weapons in Middle-earth.

No to 11.

P.S. Noriel? Prepare to kick yourself. ;) (No, Autocorrect. Not Muriel).

[Urwen]

9. Well, it does cause your stomach to hurt, or in other words, it makes your GUT WHINE? ;)

[Huinesoron]

9. Well, it does cause your stomach to hurt, or in other words, it makes your GUT WHINE? ;)

:eek: Please don't drink hydrogen peroxide! This is literally my job, please don't drink the stuff! It will do its level best to oxidise you from the inside out.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Not Guthwine.

Think of the hairdresser's use of peroxide.

[Urwen]

Hair lightening?

[Pervinca Took]

Which results in ...

[Urwen]

Belthronding?

[Urwen]

And 1 is Tavrobel. Which makes me think of a certain theme...

[Urwen]

3. Isengrim?

[Urwen]

The password is Trisyllabic. Thank you.

[Galadriel55]

The password is Trisyllabic. Thank you.

Nice! That was a good catch. I wasn't even thinking in that direction.


6. I don't know whether to facepalm or if that would reduce brain function even further, but Noriel is an anagram of LORIEN... and yes, it took me this long to figure it out after reading the last post about it, after Hui did all the research and legwork.

[Pervinca Took]

TAVROBEL: Rave, bolt around, but find the little town!
ROCHALLOR: Animated king combines with vault for a mount.
ISENGARD: Iniquity and muck combine for him.
S: Stone me! A book without a beast. Or an article.
YOZAYAN: Gift of a street map book, mirrored within a small round toy one short November.
LORIEN: Here is a North Oxford college in minimal confusion.
LALAITH: Oh la la! It helps if you look for her carefully. (She’s running along, as was her wont).
ARVEGIL: He’s easily confused with the middle name of Christopher’s sometime helper.
BELTHRONDING: A weapon showing effects of peroxide? There’s three scattered inside, barring the loss of direction – but most of it falls in a clump.
ISENGARD: It’s here, somewhere in this newly risen garden.
C: A very flower of a priest?

Peroxide causes BLONDING. Scatter the word THREE into it, minus one of the E's, (lose direction), but most of it falls together in a clump, (THR).

SIN + GRIME = ISENGRIM

RAVE + BOLT = TAVROBEL

When I double-checked, it seemed that Lalaith has two syllables, but I think it could be stretched to three.

[Urwen]

The straight clue for the last one is flower, yes?

[Urwen]

Oh, Google was very helpful. Thanks, Google.

11. Celebrant.

[Pervinca Took]

TAVROBEL: Rave, bolt around, but find the little town!
ROCHALLOR: Animated king combines with vault for a mount.
ISENGARD: Iniquity and muck combine for him.
S: Stone me! A book without a beast. Or an article.
YOZAYAN: Gift of a street map book, mirrored within a small round toy one short November.
LORIEN: Here is a North Oxford college in minimal confusion.
LALAITH: Oh la la! It helps if you look for her carefully. (She’s running along, as was her wont).
ARVEGIL: He’s easily confused with the middle name of Christopher’s sometime helper.
BELTHRONDING: A weapon showing effects of peroxide? There’s three scattered inside, barring the loss of direction – but most of it falls in a clump.
ISENGARD: It’s here, somewhere in this newly risen garden.
CELEBRANT: A very flower of a priest?

Nice one!

There's still one clue to go, though - the S one.

[Urwen]

Maybe a small hint for that one?

[Pervinca Took]

It's pretty easy. Stone is the straight clue. Start finding the elements with a book we all know very well.

[Urwen]

Well, maybe SILMARILLION - LION, for Silmaril?

[Pervinca Took]

TAVROBEL: Rave, bolt around, but find the little town!
ROCHALLOR: Animated king combines with vault for a mount.
ISENGARD: Iniquity and muck combine for him.
SILMARIL: Stone me! A book without a beast. Or an article.
YOZAYAN: Gift of a street map book, mirrored within a small round toy one short November.
LORIEN: Here is a North Oxford college in minimal confusion.
LALAITH: Oh la la! It helps if you look for her carefully. (She’s running along, as was her wont).
ARVEGIL: He’s easily confused with the middle name of Christopher’s sometime helper.
BELTHRONDING: A weapon showing effects of peroxide? There’s three scattered inside, barring the loss of direction – but most of it falls in a clump.
ISENGARD: It’s here, somewhere in this newly risen garden.
CELEBRANT: A very flower of a priest?

THE SILMARILLION - LION (BEAST) - THE (ARTICLE) = SILMARIL.

And over to Urwen!

[Urwen]

1. A priest without a tirade, an edge and a good Easterling combine for him.
2. A sour fruit returns, without a tail. You are, we hear. All for him.
3. A beer with uranium inside reveals him.
4. He has no fear, chaotically.
5. A little vault unravels for him.
6. Vietnamese money and a Weasley form him.
7. The one whom the puzzle maker is obsessed with...
8. ...And his daddy.
9. 'No, you, for short', says Grima. It's all chaotic for them.

[Pervinca Took]

1. Celeb(rant) + rim + bor.

[Urwen]

CELEBRIMBOR: A priest without a tirade, an edge and a good Easterling combine for him.
2. A sour fruit returns, without a tail. You are, we hear. All for him.
3. A beer with uranium inside reveals him.
4. He has no fear, chaotically.
5. A little vault unravels for him.
6. Vietnamese money and a Weasley form him.
7. The one whom the puzzle maker is obsessed with...
8. ...And his daddy.
9. 'No, you, for short', says Grima. It's all chaotic for them.

[Huinesoron]

#3 Ale + U = AULË?

hS

[Urwen]

CELEBRIMBOR: A priest without a tirade, an edge and a good Easterling combine for him.
2. A sour fruit returns, without a tail. You are, we hear. All for him.
AULE: A beer with uranium inside reveals him.
4. He has no fear, chaotically.
5. A little vault unravels for him.
6. Vietnamese money and a Weasley form him.
7. The one whom the puzzle maker is obsessed with...
8. ...And his daddy.
9. 'No, you, for short', says Grima. It's all chaotic for them.

[Pervinca Took]

Password: CRAFTSMEN?

4. FEANOR (no fear).

7. MAEGLIN

8. EOL

[Urwen]

Password: CRAFTSMEN?

You solved it with only two letters? :eek:

CELEBRIMBOR: A priest without a tirade, an edge and a good Easterling combine for him.
R: A sour fruit returns, without a tail. You are, we hear. All for him.
AULE: A beer with uranium inside reveals him.
FEANOR: He has no fear, chaotically.
T: A little vault unravels for him.
S: Vietnamese money and a Weasley form him.
MAEGLIN: The one whom the puzzle maker is obsessed with...
EOL: ...And his daddy.
N: 'No, you, for short', says Grima. It's all chaotic for them.

[Pervinca Took]

Well, I had the 1st letter, and it's kind of what they're both known for.

Vietnamese money is DONG. Dongron? Dongbill? Nogrod? ;)

Whoops! It starts with S.

[Urwen]

Well, I had the 1st letter, and it's kind of what they're both known for.

Vietnamese money is DONG. Dongron? Dongbill? Nogrod? ;)


Wrong unit.

[Pervinca Took]

N = Naugrim?

[Pervinca Took]

And I'm guessing S is SAURON.

[Urwen]

CELEBRIMBOR: A priest without a tirade, an edge and a good Easterling combine for him.
R: A sour fruit returns, without a tail. You are, we hear. All for him.
AULE: A beer with uranium inside reveals him.
FEANOR: He has no fear, chaotically.
T: A little vault unravels for him.
SAURON: Vietnamese money and a Weasley form him.
MAEGLIN: The one whom the puzzle maker is obsessed with...
EOL: ...And his daddy.
NAUGRIM: 'No, you, for short', says Grima. It's all chaotic for them.

[Pervinca Took]

TOM(B) ?

Do Bombadil's verses count as craft? :D Or perhaps his arrangements of lilies?

It doesn't unravel, either ....

[Urwen]

No. That clue (and the Celebrimbor) clue is inspired by your own clue in the last password.

[Galadriel55]

RUMIL, from R + U + LIM(E)

[Urwen]

CELEBRIMBOR: A priest without a tirade, an edge and a good Easterling combine for him.
RUMIL: A sour fruit returns, without a tail. You are, we hear. All for him.
AULE: A beer with uranium inside reveals him.
FEANOR: He has no fear, chaotically.
T: A little vault unravels for him.
SAURON: Vietnamese money and a Weasley form him.
MAEGLIN: The one whom the puzzle maker is obsessed with...
EOL: ...And his daddy.
NAUGRIM: 'No, you, for short', says Grima. It's all chaotic for them.

[Pervinca Took]

TELCHAR?

Arch plus ... a little of little?

[Urwen]

TELCHAR?

Arch plus ... a little of little?

You've never heard of ARCHLET? :eek:

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/archlet

CELEBRIMBOR: A priest without a tirade, an edge and a good Easterling combine for him.
RUMIL: A sour fruit returns, without a tail. You are, we hear. All for him.
AULE: A beer with uranium inside reveals him.
FEANOR: He has no fear, chaotically.
TELCHAR: A little vault unravels for him.
SAURON: Vietnamese money and a Weasley form him.
MAEGLIN: The one whom the puzzle maker is obsessed with...
EOL: ...And his daddy.
NAUGRIM: 'No, you, for short', says Grima. It's all chaotic for them.

Over to you.

[Pervinca Took]

i have now. ;)

1. I hear he’s a bloke who delivers grain?
2. Fallen hero – sounds a bit like a Salford artist, but living in a Devonshire village.
3. Note. Three notes, alternatively. Lose a dental plosive to find yourself here.
4. Here is a preening tool, note. Take the fifth.
5. Sit astride this place, but lose your way. Take the sixth.
6. Here we find Robin Hood, professionally, in a way? Lost his way but had tea, or so we hear.
7. Good French runs backward to reveal him.
8. Little forest of unfair play? Lose an article to lose this reputation. Take the eighth.

[Urwen]

7. Nob?

[Pervinca Took]

1. I hear he’s a bloke who delivers grain?
2. Fallen hero – sounds a bit like a Salford artist, but living in a Devonshire village.
3. Note. Three notes, alternatively. Lose a dental plosive to find yourself here.
4. Here is a preening tool, note. Take the fifth.
5. Sit astride this place, but lose your way. Take the sixth.
6. Here we find Robin Hood, professionally, in a way? Lost his way but had tea, or so we hear.
NOB: Good French runs backward to reveal him.
8. Little forest of unfair play? Lose an article to lose this reputation. Take the eighth.

[Urwen]

2 sounds ominous. Is it literal?


I suppose you can count Gollum as a hero, having ended Sauron's reign and all that.

[Pervinca Took]

Not completely sure what you mean by that. The answer is a fallen hero, though.

Oh! Sorry.

It isn't a hero who fell from grace.

Just someone who died heroically.

[Urwen]

Lowry for Lori, Lori+doln or something = Lorindol?

[Pervinca Took]

Lowry is the correct element, but Doln is wrong.

It's not an obvious or elvish-sounding hero, and it's only 'sounds like' Lowry.

I'd try some of the other clues first.

[Urwen]

4 is COMBE (COMB+E)
6 could be some variation of Sherwood or Shire?

[Pervinca Took]

1. I hear he’s a bloke who delivers grain?
2. Fallen hero – sounds a bit like a Salford artist, but living in a Devonshire village.
3. Note. Three notes, alternatively. Lose a dental plosive to find yourself here.
COMBE: Here is a preening tool, note. Take the fifth.
5. Sit astride this place, but lose your way. Take the sixth.
6. Here we find Robin Hood, professionally, in a way? Lost his way but had tea, or so we hear.
NOB: Good French runs backward to reveal him.
8. Little forest of unfair play? Lose an article to lose this reputation. Take the eighth.

[Huinesoron]

Oh! Is #8 cheat+wood - A = CHETWOOD?

Which might make the password "BREELAND"?

And that means #1 could just be the barley-man... er, BARLIMAN.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

BARLIMAN: I hear he’s a bloke who delivers grain?
R Fallen hero – sounds a bit like a Salford artist, but living in a Devonshire village.
E Note. Three notes, alternatively. Lose a dental plosive to find yourself here.
COMBE: Here is a preening tool, note. Take the fifth.
-----L Sit astride this place, but lose your way. Take the sixth.
A Here we find Robin Hood, professionally, in a way? Lost his way but had tea, or so we hear.
NOB: Good French runs backward to reveal him.
CHETWOOD: Little forest of unfair play? Lose an article to lose this reputation. Take the eighth.

Bravo!

[Huinesoron]

A: Robin Hood is an archer, minus Right and plus Tea gives ARCHET.

hS

[Galadriel55]

STADDLE - sit on a saddle... not sure how "lose way" can become an extra T...

Eta: cross-posted, and that's not something that happens often nowadays! :D

[Huinesoron]

STADDLE - sit on a saddle... not sure how "lose way" can become an extra T...

Eta: cross-posted, and that's not something that happens often nowadays! :D

You straddle a saddle in Staddle. :D

hS

[Pervinca Took]

BARLIMAN: I hear he’s a bloke who delivers grain?
R Fallen hero – sounds a bit like a Salford artist, but living in a Devonshire village.
E Note. Three notes, alternatively. Lose a dental plosive to find yourself here.
COMBE: Here is a preening tool, note. Take the fifth.
STADDLE: Sit astride this place, but lose your way. Take the sixth.
ARCHET: Here we find Robin Hood, professionally, in a way? Lost his way but had tea, or so we hear.
NOB: Good French runs backward to reveal him.
CHETWOOD: Little forest of unfair play? Lose an article to lose this reputation. Take the eighth.

Indeed you do!

What's ETA, Galadriel? I only know it as 'estimated time of arrival.'

[Galadriel55]

You straddle a saddle in Staddle. :D

LOL. I am crying... OMG... This is fantastically ridiculous... :D

What's ETA, Galadriel? I only know it as 'estimated time of arrival.'

I've picked up the acronym from Werewolf games, and no one really ever explained what it stands for, I don't think, but by context I interpreted it as "edit to add". Like P.S. I guess in WW it's important to mark any changes that were made as an edit, so maybe that's how this particular combo evolved. I actually only learned that it also means "estimated time of arrival" a few years ago, and the first time I saw it used that way I was confused because what is there to add or to edit in a text message?

[Galadriel55]

Straddle A Saddle In Staddle: The Limerick

There once was a hobbit from Staddle
Who attempted to straddle a saddle.
So he swaddled and swaggered,
And ladled and staggered -
In the end all his wits were quite addled.

[Urwen]

2. Rowlie Appledore?

[Pervinca Took]

BARLIMAN: I hear he’s a bloke who delivers grain?
ROWLIE APPLEDORE: Fallen hero – sounds a bit like a Salford artist, but living in a Devonshire village.
E Note. Three notes, alternatively. Lose a dental plosive to find yourself here.
COMBE: Here is a preening tool, note. Take the fifth.
STADDLE: Sit astride this place, but lose your way. Take the sixth.
ARCHET: Here we find Robin Hood, professionally, in a way? Lost his way but had tea, or so we hear.
NOB: Good French runs backward to reveal him.
CHETWOOD: Little forest of unfair play? Lose an article to lose this reputation. Take the eighth.

That's him! :)

Great limerick, Galadriel! :)

One to go. There's a term for three notes ... think three notes together, kind of like a chord ....

[Galadriel55]

Embarrassingly, I had to look this up - embarrassingly because I am supposed to remember something about music, but I have no recollection even of learning this term in the first place - but a three note chord is called a triad. Making the final answer ERIADOR.