Password

[Urwen]

Covid is a virus.

[Pervinca Took]

CARCHAROTH: He’s fierce! Vehicle … scorch at great and troubling temperature!
2. Stone cat – proportion without direction, but noted. Why, we ask? And such spin, for an unpleasant way to go!
3. She’s more innovative, with vowel switch and further revolution.
4. He’s sibilant immediately - sounds like a principal.
5. Greeted Radagast, initially, in his confusion.
6. Fruity soap goes end to front to form something much sharper.
7. Large stones, thrown about, lose the original fourth for them, (a multitude, parenthetically).
FINDUILAS: French finished, you hear, with Laurie Lee’s village? Mingling reveals her.
9. No clearing around him.
10. Like Covid, but the next category downwards.
AXE: Very cold place loses chariot of somewhere very hot (or so it sounds) to leave a weapon?
THEODEN: At that time, a song within him.
13. Pester for an animal.
SILMARIL: Ledge containing French husband produces a shiny thing.

Covid is a virus, yes, but what has it caused?

[Huinesoron]

Covid is a virus, yes, but what has it caused?

Well, a pandemic, but EPIDEMIC didn't seem like a very Tolkien-y word.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

CARCHAROTH: He’s fierce! Vehicle … scorch at great and troubling temperature!
2. Stone cat – proportion without direction, but noted. Why, we ask? And such spin, for an unpleasant way to go!
3. She’s more innovative, with vowel switch and further revolution.
4. He’s sibilant immediately - sounds like a principal.
5. Greeted Radagast, initially, in his confusion.
6. Fruity soap goes end to front to form something much sharper.
7. Large stones, thrown about, lose the original fourth for them, (a multitude, parenthetically).
FINDUILAS: French finished, you hear, with Laurie Lee’s village? Mingling reveals her.
9. No clearing around him.
EPIDEMIC: Like Covid, but the next category downwards.
AXE: Very cold place loses chariot of somewhere very hot (or so it sounds) to leave a weapon?
THEODEN: At that time, a song within him.
13. Pester for an animal.
SILMARIL: Ledge containing French husband produces a shiny thing.

Maybe not, but it starts with an E, and I needed one.

[Galadriel55]

CAUSES OF DEATHS for password?

PS: HOUND seems to have disappeared off the solution. :confused:

[Urwen]

Could the password be Causes of Deaths? Epidemic tipped me off.

[Galadriel55]

Could the password be Causes of Deaths? Epidemic tipped me off.

Great minds think alike? ;)


That makes me think 6. SPEAR, because PEAR is fruit, S is, dunno, related to soap?, and IIRC Finduilas was speared to a tree.

[Pervinca Took]

CARCHAROTH: He’s fierce! Vehicle … scorch at great and troubling temperature!
A: Stone cat – proportion without direction, but noted. Why, we ask? And such spin, for an unpleasant way to go!
U: She’s more innovative, with vowel switch and further revolution.
S: He’s sibilant immediately - sounds like a principal.
E: Greeted Radagast, initially, in his confusion.
SPEAR: Fruity soap goes end to front to form something much sharper.

O: Large stones, thrown about, lose the original fourth for them, (a multitude, parenthetically).
FINDUILAS: French finished, you hear, with Laurie Lee’s village? Mingling reveals her.

D: No clearing around him.
EPIDEMIC: Like Covid, but the next category downwards.
AXE (GIMLI'S): Very cold place loses chariot of somewhere very hot (or so it sounds) to leave a weapon?
THEODEN: At that time, a song within him.
HOUND: Pester for an animal.
SILMARIL: Ledge containing French husband produces a shiny thing.

Indeed! Well done.

PEARS is a kind of soap in the UK. I used to get it for my mum as a present when I was a kid. I think it's made with essence of pears or something, but am not 100% sure. So the pointy solution is both fruity and soapy.

Sorry, I quoted the password for the new page, but somehow quoted a version before HOUND was guessed.

[Galadriel55]

"Epidemic" suggests pairing with Lalaith, and given that we have a U, I think the answer must be URWEN = NEWER - E + U


Also searching for Theoden's loyal steed in the mix, the S could be SNOWMANE as S (sibilant) + NOW + MAIN/MANE

[Pervinca Took]

CARCHAROTH: He’s fierce! Vehicle … scorch at great and troubling temperature!
A: Stone cat – proportion without direction, but noted. Why, we ask? And such spin, for an unpleasant way to go!
URWEN: She’s more innovative, with vowel switch and further revolution.
SNOWMANE: He’s sibilant immediately - sounds like a principal.
E: Greeted Radagast, initially, in his confusion.
SPEAR: Fruity soap goes end to front to form something much sharper.

O: Large stones, thrown about, lose the original fourth for them, (a multitude, parenthetically).
FINDUILAS: French finished, you hear, with Laurie Lee’s village? Mingling reveals her.

D: No clearing around him.
EPIDEMIC: Like Covid, but the next category downwards.
AXE (GIMLI'S): Very cold place loses chariot of somewhere very hot (or so it sounds) to leave a weapon?
THEODEN: At that time, a song within him.
HOUND: Pester for an animal.
SILMARIL: Ledge containing French husband produces a shiny thing.

'Tis e'en so.

[Urwen]

D is Dior, RID+O or something...

[Pervinca Took]

D is Dior, RID+O or something...

It isn't, I'm afraid. Grammatically, it would have to be 'riddance.'

Different meaning - or shade of meaning - for 'clearing.'

[Urwen]

And O is Orcs (Rocks - K)

[Pervinca Took]

CARCHAROTH: He’s fierce! Vehicle … scorch at great and troubling temperature!
A: Stone cat – proportion without direction, but noted. Why, we ask? And such spin, for an unpleasant way to go!
URWEN: She’s more innovative, with vowel switch and further revolution.
SNOWMANE: He’s sibilant immediately - sounds like a principal.
E: Greeted Radagast, initially, in his confusion.
SPEAR: Fruity soap goes end to front to form something much sharper.

ORCS (LOTS OF): Large stones, thrown about, lose the original fourth for them, (a multitude, parenthetically).
FINDUILAS: French finished, you hear, with Laurie Lee’s village? Mingling reveals her.

D: No clearing around him.
EPIDEMIC: Like Covid, but the next category downwards.
AXE (GIMLI'S): Very cold place loses chariot of somewhere very hot (or so it sounds) to leave a weapon?
THEODEN: At that time, a song within him.
HOUND: Pester for an animal.
SILMARIL: Ledge containing French husband produces a shiny thing.

[Galadriel55]

Okay, time to think out loud. We have 3 letters left, A, E, and D. E and D sound like the casualties, and A sounds like the cause. So on to some blind guessing.


Of the guessed clues, I believe the only unmatched one is Silmaril. Silmarils caused a lot of carnage around them, but I think the only death directly as a result of one was Maedhros - and that doesn't fit. ELU? Doesn't make sense, the clue seems to suggest there is an R involved.

A as a cause of death - ARROW? AGE again? It could be AUNTY AMY'S APPALING ANTEATER for all I can tell from the clue.

[Pervinca Took]

Sorry, I had Carcharoth matched with the Silmaril, because I thought it killed him, (I was wrong). Who or what were you matching with Carcharoth, G55? (Hound for Huan? Not the answer here - my fault).

None of the above A's. As a clue, the person it happened to was murdered. I just chose to use the way he died rather than the perpetrator - I think because of the letters I had to use.

...

The remaining E goes with an answer already guessed.

The remaining A and D are a pair.

[Urwen]

For the remaining A: Provided that the cat = sphynx. Add ratio without R, and do some mumbo-jumbo and you get asphyxiation

[Urwen]

And if the D is the last letter in the name, then the obvious answer is Gil-Galad...

[Galadriel55]

Sorry, I had Carcharoth matched with the Silmaril, because I thought it killed him, (I was wrong). Who or what were you matching with Carcharoth, G55? (Hound for Huan? Not the answer here - my fault).

Ahhh! Yes, I thought Hound for Huan. In that case, and if Urwen is correct, are we looking for a pair for Hound for E?

[Pervinca Took]

Ahhh! Yes, I thought Hound for Huan. In that case, and if Urwen is correct, are we looking for a pair for Hound for E?

Yes, HOUND goes with the remaining E, and doesn't refer to Huan.

[Pervinca Took]

CARCHAROTH: He’s fierce! Vehicle … scorch at great and troubling temperature!
ASPHYXIATION: Stone cat – proportion without direction, but noted. Why, we ask? And such spin, for an unpleasant way to go!
URWEN: She’s more innovative, with vowel switch and further revolution.
SNOWMANE: He’s sibilant immediately - sounds like a principal.
E: Greeted Radagast, initially, in his confusion.
SPEAR: Fruity soap goes end to front to form something much sharper.

ORCS (LOTS OF): Large stones, thrown about, lose the original fourth for them, (a multitude, parenthetically).
FINDUILAS: French finished, you hear, with Laurie Lee’s village? Mingling reveals her.

D: No clearing around him.
EPIDEMIC: Like Covid, but the next category downwards.
AXE (GIMLI'S): Very cold place loses chariot of somewhere very hot (or so it sounds) to leave a weapon?
THEODEN: At that time, a song within him.
HOUND: Pester for an animal.
SILMARIL: Ledge containing French husband produces a shiny thing.

There is one error, which I will treat as an 'odd one out' - not a cause of death, but a cause of being rendered very poorly! - Carcharoth and a Silmaril.

Well done, Urwen! It's SPHINX + (R)ATIO + Y + A.

Not Gil-Galad. Think of someone who was strangled.

[Urwen]

Oh, wait. I just remembered. Gil-Galad wasn't the only one to die from asphyxiation.

Right so, GLADE+0 = Deagol

I keep forgetting him for some reason...

[Pervinca Took]

CARCHAROTH: He’s fierce! Vehicle … scorch at great and troubling temperature!
ASPHYXIATION: Stone cat – proportion without direction, but noted. Why, we ask? And such spin, for an unpleasant way to go!
URWEN: She’s more innovative, with vowel switch and further revolution.
SNOWMANE: He’s sibilant immediately - sounds like a principal.
E: Greeted Radagast, initially, in his confusion.
SPEAR: Fruity soap goes end to front to form something much sharper.

ORCS (LOTS OF): Large stones, thrown about, lose the original fourth for them, (a multitude, parenthetically).
FINDUILAS: French finished, you hear, with Laurie Lee’s village? Mingling reveals her.

DEAGOL: No clearing around him.
EPIDEMIC: Like Covid, but the next category downwards.
AXE (GIMLI'S): Very cold place loses chariot of somewhere very hot (or so it sounds) to leave a weapon?
THEODEN: At that time, a song within him.
HOUND: Pester for an animal.
SILMARIL: Ledge containing French husband produces a shiny thing.

There is one error, which I will treat as an 'odd one out' - not a cause of death, but a cause of being rendered very poorly! - Carcharoth and a Silmaril.

Exactamundo!

[Urwen]

Now, I suppose it's some other book, cos Huan is the only named hound in the ME-verse...

[Pervinca Took]

It isn't a dog. It's a wolf. An unnamed one. A werewolf, I think.

[Urwen]

....


HAILED + R = Edrahil

[Pervinca Took]

CARCHAROTH: He’s fierce! Vehicle … scorch at great and troubling temperature!
ASPHYXIATION: Stone cat – proportion without direction, but noted. Why, we ask? And such spin, for an unpleasant way to go!
URWEN: She’s more innovative, with vowel switch and further revolution.
SNOWMANE: He’s sibilant immediately - sounds like a principal.
EDRAHIL: Greeted Radagast, initially, in his confusion.
SPEAR: Fruity soap goes end to front to form something much sharper.

ORCS (LOTS OF): Large stones, thrown about, lose the original fourth for them, (a multitude, parenthetically).
FINDUILAS: French finished, you hear, with Laurie Lee’s village? Mingling reveals her.

DEAGOL: No clearing around him.
EPIDEMIC: Like Covid, but the next category downwards.
AXE (GIMLI'S): Very cold place loses chariot of somewhere very hot (or so it sounds) to leave a weapon?
THEODEN: At that time, a song within him.
HOUND: Pester for an animal.
SILMARIL: Ledge containing French husband produces a shiny thing.

There is one error, which I will treat as an 'odd one out' - not a cause of death, but a cause of being rendered very poorly! - Carcharoth and a Silmaril.

And that's a wrap!

I think you both guessed the password, but G55 posted it first.

[Urwen]

You could have done Smeagol + Deagol if you used Aredhel + Javelin.

[Pervinca Took]

You could have done Smeagol + Deagol if you used Aredhel + Javelin.

I couldn't have kept it to all initial letters, though.

[Galadriel55]

I've had a cool (read: daft) idea for a password brewing for a while... but I will need a day or two to write the clues properly. A wind is about to blow. Hold onto your hats.

[Galadriel55]

I have been working long, and not without
a good result, which I was keen to share
with you, my Password fellows. Yes, the clues
did not with scarlet mark the letters first,
but they were good clues, and I promise you
the password was not worse off for some shifts -
quite an enjoyable affair. Alas!
A sudden gust of wind had blown across
my writing desk - or maybe I just sneezed,
but, ‘f it’s the case, it was a mighty sneeze! -
and all the notes to all the clues were swept
in utter disarray from desk to floor.
From this horrific mess you must remake
of order semblance, and before you solve
the clues, you must assemble them yourselves
in proper order. Know, that every clue
contains two halves, two terms which must be joined
to see the hint in full, and only then,
together, they will point you in the way
of the solution to the clue, which lies
in what they have in common. Now, the clues
are six in total, making that twelve halves.
So let us see, what have we in this mix?


A girl and boy with ire danced around, but who is this? A girl… and yet a boy?

An evil elbow, in confusion’s rush, has lost its finish, hearing itself shushed.

Decrepit elder, senior, but mark: this one’s not senile, nor yet weak.

And yet another senior we see: mature, aged, venerable, elderly.

Among them giants, dragons fire-breathing, but also very ordinary beasts. Their owner is not haggard - or is he?

An adjective which means to say “debarred”...

...And yet another, to describe a whacker.

Hold fast: a tooth, lupine - all with an insect.

Erased? Not quite, but close enough to see.

I cannot say his name, but you’ll know him.

A royal hero from the other side exchanged directions for a single note, as well as half a dozen extra feet.

The other other side’s best friend, howbeit, took note, and more than one direction took - alas, becoming evil in the process.


1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.


To clarify the instructions to this madness: each “halfling” clue describes a word or concept, like normal password clues would. Those come in pairs, and once you match them up I will put them in the right position on the password itself. You use the pairs to find a single word, and that word is the final answer to the clue and will contain the password letter. The red letters are not always at the start of the word. The answers to the clues may be unusual in more than one way, but I have made no effort to try to make them tricky - they should be fairly straightforward to compensate for all the rest.


With that, I wish you all the best of luck
in reconstructing concepts from this mess.
But why the verse? The inspiration came
from one work, titled “Script of Leithian” -
this really has no bearing on the clues
except to make more difficult my life,
for, as the best of playwrights will decree:
iambic your pentameter must be.

[Urwen]

The only thing I found so far was Galadriel. Hope that helps someone...

[Urwen]

And another came to me


Hold fast: a tooth, lupine - all with an insect: Grip, Fang, Wolf, Maggot

Though I don't see how that describes a single word

[Urwen]

Royal hero = Aragorn, I believe...

[Galadriel55]

Royal hero = Aragorn, I believe...

You are correct, the royal hero is Aragorn. That is not the answer though.



GALADRIEL: A girl and boy with ire danced around, but who is this? A girl… and yet a boy?

An evil elbow, in confusion’s rush, has lost its finish, hearing itself shushed.

Decrepit elder, senior, but mark: this one’s not senile, nor yet weak.

And yet another senior we see: mature, aged, venerable, elderly.

Among them giants, dragons fire-breathing, but also very ordinary beasts. Their owner is not haggard - or is he?

An adjective which means to say “debarred”...

...And yet another, to describe a whacker.

MAGGOT'S PETS (Grip, Fang, Wolf): Hold fast: a tooth, lupine - all with an insect.

Erased? Not quite, but close enough to see.

I cannot say his name, but you’ll know him.

A royal hero from the other side exchanged directions for a single note, as well as half a dozen extra feet.

The other other side’s best friend, howbeit, took note, and more than one direction took - alas, becoming evil in the process.


1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.

[Huinesoron]

"Decrepit elder, senior" could be THEODEN - the clue has 'Mark' in it, and 'not senile, nor yet weak' could refer to his recovery after not being hit around the head by Gandalf.

'to describe a whacker' immediately makes me think BEATER, AKA Glamdring.

Loving the Elbow of Sauron in the second clue. ;)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

I thought of BEATER too. ;)

No further wisdom to impart, afraid. ;)

[Urwen]

Barred clue makes me think about the Ban of the Valar. Banned/Barred?

Bard?

[Urwen]

I cannot say his name, but you’ll know him.

This clue intrigues me. The obvious answer is The Nameless Enemy, aka Sauron, but something tells me that's not it...

[Urwen]

ERASED>ERISED>MIRROR


pair that with clue 1, and voila.

[Galadriel55]

No... no... but -

ERASED>ERISED>MIRROR


pair that with clue 1, and voila.

YES.



GALADRIEL: A girl and boy with ire danced around, but who is this? A girl… and yet a boy?

An evil elbow, in confusion’s rush, has lost its finish, hearing itself shushed.

Decrepit elder, senior, but mark: this one’s not senile, nor yet weak.

And yet another senior we see: mature, aged, venerable, elderly.

Among them giants, dragons fire-breathing, but also very ordinary beasts. Their owner is not haggard - or is he?

An adjective which means to say “debarred”...

...And yet another, to describe a whacker.

MAGGOT'S PETS (Grip, Fang, Wolf): Hold fast: a tooth, lupine - all with an insect.

ERISED: Erased? Not quite, but close enough to see.

I cannot say his name, but you’ll know him.

A royal hero from the other side exchanged directions for a single note, as well as half a dozen extra feet.

The other other side’s best friend, howbeit, took note, and more than one direction took - alas, becoming evil in the process.


1.
2. MIRROR: ERISED / GALADRIEL
3.
4.
5.
6.

[Huinesoron]

The giants/dragons clue makes me think of Farmer Giles; he had both, plus his own animals (Garm, the grey mare, and poor squashed Galathea). Alternately, the 'not haggard' part makes me wonder if Hagrid is involved. Either way it could be a similar answer to the Maggot one.

And on the 'have to check' level: the 'mature, aged, venerable, elderly' clue isn't just OLD, is it?

hS

[Urwen]

If I am right about the theme, then OLD+WHACKER = Willow

[Galadriel55]

The giants/dragons clue makes me think of Farmer Giles; he had both, plus his own animals (Garm, the grey mare, and poor squashed Galathea). Alternately, the 'not haggard' part makes me wonder if Hagrid is involved. Either way it could be a similar answer to the Maggot one.

Hagrid is involved, and I'll give that one to you. And you are correct about the pairing with Maggot.

And on the 'have to check' level: the 'mature, aged, venerable, elderly' clue isn't just OLD, is it?

Yes. ^.^

If I am right about the theme, then OLD+WHACKER = Willow

I think you are right about the theme, and about Willow being the password clue - but you do not have the correct pair, nor is "whacker" the answer to that halfling hint. If you've figured out the theme, you should be able to easily identify the two correct words that pair for that one.



GALADRIEL: A girl and boy with ire danced around, but who is this? A girl… and yet a boy?

An evil elbow, in confusion’s rush, has lost its finish, hearing itself shushed.

Decrepit elder, senior, but mark: this one’s not senile, nor yet weak.

OLD: And yet another senior we see: mature, aged, venerable, elderly.

HAGRID'S PETS: Among them giants, dragons fire-breathing, but also very ordinary beasts. Their owner is not haggard - or is he?

An adjective which means to say “debarred”...

...And yet another, to describe a whacker.

MAGGOT'S PETS (Grip, Fang, Wolf): Hold fast: a tooth, lupine - all with an insect.

ERISED: Erased? Not quite, but close enough to see.

I cannot say his name, but you’ll know him.

A royal hero from the other side exchanged directions for a single note, as well as half a dozen extra feet.

The other other side’s best friend, howbeit, took note, and more than one direction took - alas, becoming evil in the process.


1.
2. MIRROR: Erised / Galadriel
3.
4.
5.
6. Hagrid's pets / Maggot's pets

[Urwen]

I thought about pairing Old Man Willow with Whomping Willow, but if that's not the case, then...

[Urwen]

Aragorn - RN + G = Aragog

[Urwen]

And 'debarred' = 'forbidden'

It's all starting to make sense.

[Urwen]

These two clues pair together

I cannot say his name, but you’ll know him.
The other other side’s best friend, howbeit, took note, and more than one direction took - alas, becoming evil in the process.
Sauron.

[Galadriel55]

I thought about pairing Old Man Willow with Whomping Willow, but if that's not the case, then...

Well, yes - and I confirmed that the final answer is "willow". I will give you WHOMPING, because you've said it now. But "OLD" is not the clue which pairs with it. Find the pair, and it will appear in the password.

Aragorn - RN + G = Aragog

Yes! And yes to FORBIDDEN.

These two clues pair together

Sauron.

Sauron is correct, and you have the correct pair, but I need an answer for the other clue before I put the pairing into the password. You're nearly there. :)



GALADRIEL: A girl and boy with ire danced around, but who is this? A girl… and yet a boy?

An evil elbow, in confusion’s rush, has lost its finish, hearing itself shushed.

Decrepit elder, senior, but mark: this one’s not senile, nor yet weak.

OLD: And yet another senior we see: mature, aged, venerable, elderly.

HAGRID'S PETS: Among them giants, dragons fire-breathing, but also very ordinary beasts. Their owner is not haggard - or is he?

FORBIDDEN: An adjective which means to say “debarred”...

WHOMPING: ...And yet another, to describe a whacker.

MAGGOT'S PETS (Grip, Fang, Wolf): Hold fast: a tooth, lupine - all with an insect.

ERISED: Erased? Not quite, but close enough to see.

I cannot say his name, but you’ll know him.

ARAGOG: A royal hero from the other side exchanged directions for a single note, as well as half a dozen extra feet.

SAURON: The other other side’s best friend, howbeit, took note, and more than one direction took - alas, becoming evil in the process.


1.
2. MIRROR: Erised / Galadriel
3.
4.
5.
6. Hagrid's pets / Maggot's pets

[Huinesoron]

Okay, so Old + [debarred >] Forbidden = FOREST in the password. (I think Urwen figured that out but didn't say it?)

I'm also not sure if she meant to guess that "I cannot say his name" = HE-WHO-MUST-NOT-BE-NAMED, but the idea was there.

Assuming both of those + Aragog are right, then we have 4 clues left:

evil elbow, decrepit elder, whacker, other other side.

Which must be, in some order:

Sauron/Nameless Enemy
Old Man [Willow]
Shelob/Ungoliant
Whomping.

"Decrepit elder" for OLD MAN, paired with "whacker" for WHOMPING, and WILLOW for the password?

hS

[Galadriel55]

GALADRIEL: A girl and boy with ire danced around, but who is this? A girl… and yet a boy?

An evil elbow, in confusion’s rush, has lost its finish, hearing itself shushed.

OLD MAN: Decrepit elder, senior, but mark: this one’s not senile, nor yet weak.

OLD: And yet another senior we see: mature, aged, venerable, elderly.

HAGRID'S PETS: Among them giants, dragons fire-breathing, but also very ordinary beasts. Their owner is not haggard - or is he?

FORBIDDEN: An adjective which means to say “debarred”...

WHOMPING: ...And yet another, to describe a whacker.

MAGGOT'S PETS (Grip, Fang, Wolf): Hold fast: a tooth, lupine - all with an insect.

ERISED: Erased? Not quite, but close enough to see.

HE WHO MUST NOT BE NAMED: I cannot say his name, but you’ll know him.

ARAGOG: A royal hero from the other side exchanged directions for a single note, as well as half a dozen extra feet.

SAURON: The other other side’s best friend, howbeit, took note, and more than one direction took - alas, becoming evil in the process.


1. He Who Must Not Be Named / Sauron
2. MIRROR: Erised / Galadriel
3.
4. WILLOW: Whomping / Old Man
5. FOREST: Forbidden / Old
6. Hagrid's pets / Maggot's pets


Did I miss any guesses? I hope I got them all.

[Urwen]

1. Dark Lord?

[Urwen]

Right, so 'evil' is the straight clue. Remove W from ELBOW, add SH in front, and you have Shelob.

[Urwen]

6. Dogs?

[Urwen]

Could the password be 'RIPOFF'?

[Urwen]

Provided, of course, the word for 3 is 'Spider'?

[Galadriel55]

Lots of correct answers! Not "dogs", but you're on the right track. I believe this is the last one left.


GALADRIEL: A girl and boy with ire danced around, but who is this? A girl… and yet a boy?

SHELOB: An evil elbow, in confusion’s rush, has lost its finish, hearing itself shushed.

OLD MAN: Decrepit elder, senior, but mark: this one’s not senile, nor yet weak.

OLD: And yet another senior we see: mature, aged, venerable, elderly.

HAGRID'S PETS: Among them giants, dragons fire-breathing, but also very ordinary beasts. Their owner is not haggard - or is he?

FORBIDDEN: An adjective which means to say “debarred”...

WHOMPING: ...And yet another, to describe a whacker.

MAGGOT'S PETS (Grip, Fang, Wolf): Hold fast: a tooth, lupine - all with an insect.

ERISED: Erased? Not quite, but close enough to see.

HE WHO MUST NOT BE NAMED: I cannot say his name, but you’ll know him.

ARAGOG: A royal hero from the other side exchanged directions for a single note, as well as half a dozen extra feet.

SAURON: The other other side’s best friend, howbeit, took note, and more than one direction took - alas, becoming evil in the process.


1. DARK LORD: He Who Must Not Be Named / Sauron
2. MIRROR: Erised / Galadriel
3. SPIDER: Aragog / Shelob
4. WILLOW: Whomping / Old Man
5. FOREST: Forbidden / Old
6. F Hagrid's pets / Maggot's pets

[Urwen]

Well, I am drawing a blank on that last one...

[Urwen]

Unless it's Fang, as both had a pet named Fang...

[Galadriel55]

Unless it's Fang, as both had a pet named Fang...

Indeed so!




GALADRIEL: A girl and boy with ire danced around, but who is this? A girl… and yet a boy?

SHELOB: An evil elbow, in confusion’s rush, has lost its finish, hearing itself shushed.

OLD MAN: Decrepit elder, senior, but mark: this one’s not senile, nor yet weak.

OLD: And yet another senior we see: mature, aged, venerable, elderly.

HAGRID'S PETS: Among them giants, dragons fire-breathing, but also very ordinary beasts. Their owner is not haggard - or is he?

FORBIDDEN: An adjective which means to say “debarred”...

WHOMPING: ...And yet another, to describe a whacker.

MAGGOT'S PETS (Grip, Fang, Wolf): Hold fast: a tooth, lupine - all with an insect.

ERISED: Erased? Not quite, but close enough to see.

HE WHO MUST NOT BE NAMED: I cannot say his name, but you’ll know him.

ARAGOG: A royal hero from the other side exchanged directions for a single note, as well as half a dozen extra feet.

SAURON: The other other side’s best friend, howbeit, took note, and more than one direction took - alas, becoming evil in the process.


1. DARK LORD: He Who Must Not Be Named / Sauron
2. MIRROR: Erised / Galadriel
3. SPIDER: Aragog / Shelob
4. WILLOW: Whomping / Old Man
5. FOREST: Forbidden / Old
6. FANG: Hagrid's pets / Maggot's pets


We've used Harry Potter references so often, I thought I would do something fun about it. My only regret is that I didn't put "wizard" in there. :D

And with that, over to Urwen!


(On a complete tangent, if you ever do want to see Dumbledore talking about Gandalf and references and crossovers to a whole other bunch of excellent fiction, I recommend reading Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality. It is a parody that somehow ended up better than the original, as it still hit all of HP's strong points but also addressed many of its weak spots as a piece of literature.)

[Urwen]

Will have one up shortly.

(Also, if we're recommending fanfictions, Against the Moon is a masterpiece. Go read it.)

[Urwen]

Here we go, in honor of the person I keep forgetting

1. Is he rude, or in turmoil? One vowel becomes another.
2. Um...he makes a gesture of approval, with direction. Twist it.
3. A Disney mermaid follows Indian rhythm (in reverse). Find her.
4. Behold, he is sad! Or maybe troubled by what he did.
5. A forest turns, and exchanges a sound, for him.
6. Band boss in medieval lingo.

(Sorry if it's difficult, my brain is like that sometimes.)

[Galadriel55]

3. Don't know Indian rhythms, but the mermaid is Ariel, suggesting ALATARIEL.

[Urwen]

1. Is he rude, or in turmoil? One vowel becomes another.
2. Um...he makes a gesture of approval, with direction. Twist it.
ALATARIEL: A Disney mermaid follows Indian rhythm (in reverse). Find her.
4. Behold, he is sad! Or maybe troubled by what he did.
5. A forest turns, and exchanges a sound, for him.
6. Band boss in medieval lingo.

[Pervinca Took]

I can almost get ERESTOR from forest.

[Urwen]

Nope.

[Huinesoron]

#2: Er + Nod + L for direction = ELROND.

hS

[Urwen]

1. Is he rude, or in turmoil? One vowel becomes another.
ELROND: Um...he makes a gesture of approval, with direction. Twist it.
ALATARIEL: A Disney mermaid follows Indian rhythm (in reverse). Find her.
4. Behold, he is sad! Or maybe troubled by what he did.
5. A forest turns, and exchanges a sound, for him.
6. Band boss in medieval lingo.

[Pervinca Took]

TURIN is boss of a band of outlaws, and perhaps his band might go TURIN (tourin').

I'll get me coat. ;)

[Urwen]

TURIN is boss of a band of outlaws, and perhaps his band might go TURIN (tourin').

I'll get me coat. ;)


Wrong, though it's an interesting line of thought.

[Pervinca Took]

Could the password be BEARER?

[Urwen]

Could the password be BEARER?


Nope, but close.

[Pervinca Took]

Is it LEAVER or HEALER?

Or maybe WEARER? ;)

[Urwen]

Is it LEAVER or HEALER?

Or maybe WEARER? ;)


Nope. Try guessing more of the clues.

[Pervinca Took]

Nope. Try guessing more of the clues.

I did *try* that first.

FOREST - Wood - Wodo - Change W for FR = FRODO.

But that's as far as I got. ;)

[Urwen]

The forest is a named forest.

[Pervinca Took]

AMBARUSSA, from Ambarona?

[Urwen]

No.

[Pervinca Took]

ALDARION, from Aldarome?

[Urwen]

No.

[Urwen]

You still haven't mentioned the most famous forest ever. ;)

[Pervinca Took]

1. Is he rude, or in turmoil? One vowel becomes another.
ELROND: Um...he makes a gesture of approval, with direction. Twist it.
ALATARIEL: A Disney mermaid follows Indian rhythm (in reverse). Find her.
4. Behold, he is sad! Or maybe troubled by what he did.
5. A forest turns, and exchanges a sound, for him.
6. Band boss in medieval lingo.


But FANGORN doesn't need to turn to produce a 'him.'

Unless we turn it to inch towards ARAGORN.

[Urwen]

Um, Lothlorien?

[Pervinca Took]

Well, there's LORIEN, but you can get the Vala from the wood without turning it.

Unless we start with Dwimordene.

[Pervinca Took]

Is the password LEADER?

With 5 ERIOL from Lorien.

[Urwen]

Nope.

[Huinesoron]

Is #6 just LORD OF THE RING(S) - ie, boss of one or more bands of metal?

hS

[Urwen]

Is #6 just LORD OF THE RING(S) - ie, boss of one or more bands of metal?

hS


Ye.

[Pervinca Took]

DEAGOL for the password, with all the answers Ringbearers?

4. LO + GLUM = GOLLUM.

5. OLORIN from LORIEN. The E becomes another O.

1. DAUR, from RUDE, with the E exchanged for an A. A name for Frodo.

[Urwen]

DAUR: Is he rude, or in turmoil? One vowel becomes another.
ELROND: Um...he makes a gesture of approval, with direction. Twist it.
ALATARIEL: A Disney mermaid follows Indian rhythm (in reverse). Find her.
GOLLUM: Behold, he is sad! Or maybe troubled by what he did.
OLORIN: A forest turns, and exchanges a sound, for him.
LORD OF THE RINGS: Band boss in medieval lingo.

And over to Pervinca. ;)

[Pervinca Took]

Nice one, Urwen!

1. Additional little woman under the weather, they say? See him!
2. The brightly-jacketed One.
3. Hear a sigh. A palindrome girl meets a confused, antlers creature to reveal him.
4. Keen they are, and often the only indicators of age.
5. Her little bottles are in a terrible muddle. She's noted for that!
6. Heavenly, loving nymphs initially mingle with grease here.
7. Foreign gunshots mingle for her?
8. Verdant namesake of one with destructive, burning issues.
9. Survivor song loses article and beast; add a dark wizard for perspective.
10. Man in the moon's rhyming pair of irregulars.

[Galadriel55]

4. Makes me think ELF EYES.

[Pervinca Took]

1. Additional little woman under the weather, they say? See him!
2. The brightly-jacketed One.
3. Hear a sigh. A palindrome girl meets a confused, antlers creature to reveal him.
ELVEN-EYES: Keen they are, and often the only indicators of age.
5. Her little bottles are in a terrible muddle. She's noted for that!
6. Heavenly, loving nymphs initially mingle with grease here.
7. Foreign gunshots mingle for her?
8. Verdant namesake of one with destructive, burning issues.
9. Survivor song loses article and beast; add a dark wizard for perspective.
10. Man in the moon's rhyming pair of irregulars.

[Galadriel55]

6. HOLLIN, from H L N + oil?

[Pervinca Took]

1. Additional little woman under the weather, they say? See him!
2. The brightly-jacketed One.
3. Hear a sigh. A palindrome girl meets a confused, antlers creature to reveal him.
ELVEN-EYES: Keen they are, and often the only indicators of age.
5. Her little bottles are in a terrible muddle. She's noted for that!
HOLLIN: Heavenly, loving nymphs initially mingle with grease here.
7. Foreign gunshots mingle for her?
8. Verdant namesake of one with destructive, burning issues.
9. Survivor song loses article and beast; add a dark wizard for perspective.
10. Man in the moon's rhyming pair of irregulars.

That's the one.

[Huinesoron]

Taken straight, #8 could be about Mirkwood; it shares that name (in Sindarin) with the woods of Dorthonion, which were first burned and then destroyed; but by other names it is noted for its greenness, as GREENWOOD THE GREAT or ERYN LASGALEN. (Th'ain't nobody called it "the Wood of Green Leaves"; the Elves used the Sindarin and you know mortals just called it Mirkwood still.)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Taken straight, #8 could be about Mirkwood; it shares that name (in Sindarin) with the woods of Dorthonion, which were first burned and then destroyed; but by other names it is noted for its greenness, as GREENWOOD THE GREAT or ERYN LASGALEN. (Th'ain't nobody called it "the Wood of Green Leaves"; the Elves used the Sindarin and you know mortals just called it Mirkwood still.)

hS

Afraid not. Start with the burning issues.

[Huinesoron]

Afraid not. Start with the burning issues.

Hot Topic. This isn't a Gap of Rohan joke, is it? >_>

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Hot Topic. This isn't a Gap of Rohan joke, is it? >_>

hS

Nope. ;)

[Galadriel55]

For some reason I thought the M Little woman was Mary, and looking them up and realizing she's actually Meg made all the difference, because MORE + MEG + ILL (ish) = MORMEGIL.

[Morsul the Dark]

2. Joseph. Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat.

It might be Saruman but Joseph is correct no matter what your original intent was.

[Urwen]

Afraid not. Start with the burning issues.


Is there such a thing as Spirit of the Forest?


Oh, wait, it's Treebeard, isn't it?

[Pervinca Took]

MORMEGIL: Additional little woman under the weather, they say? See him!
2. The brightly-jacketed One.
3. Hear a sigh. A palindrome girl meets a confused, antlered creature to reveal him.
ELVEN-EYES: Keen they are, and often the only indicators of age.
5. Her little bottles are in a terrible muddle. She's noted for that!
HOLLIN: Heavenly, loving nymphs initially mingle with grease here.
7. Foreign gunshots mingle for her?
8. Verdant namesake of one with destructive, burning issues.
9. Survivor song loses article and beast; add a dark wizard for perspective.
10. Man in the moon's rhyming pair of irregulars.

No to the rest, I'm afraid.

Grammatical error corrected in Clue 3. It occurred because I had no internet and had to retype the clues on my phone.

[Urwen]

So the one with destructive, burning issues is either Feanor or Orodruin, aka Mount Doom.

[Pervinca Took]

So the one with destructive, burning issues is either Feanor or Orodruin, aka Mount Doom.

Neither of these.

It is a person, though.

[Urwen]

Denethor?

[Pervinca Took]

MORMEGIL: Additional little woman under the weather, they say? See him!
2. The brightly-jacketed One.
3. Hear a sigh. A palindrome girl meets a confused, antlered creature to reveal him.
ELVEN-EYES: Keen they are, and often the only indicators of age.
5. Her little bottles are in a terrible muddle. She's noted for that!
HOLLIN: Heavenly, loving nymphs initially mingle with grease here.
7. Foreign gunshots mingle for her?
DENETHOR: Verdant namesake of one with destructive, burning issues.
9. Survivor song loses article and beast; add a dark wizard for perspective.
10. Man in the moon's rhyming pair of irregulars.

Yep.

[Huinesoron]

#9: I think this is EYE OF SAURON. The 'survivor song' is Eye of the Tiger, which becomes 'Eye of', and then takes Sauron as the dark wizard. An eye of course gives perspective. :)

Has anyone guessed TOM BOMBADIL for #2? "Bright blue his jacket is..."

hS

[Pervinca Took]

MORMEGIL: Additional little woman under the weather, they say? See him!
ORALD: The brightly-jacketed One.
3. Hear a sigh. A palindrome girl meets a confused, antlered creature to reveal him.
ELVEN-EYES: Keen they are, and often the only indicators of age.
5. Her little bottles are in a terrible muddle. She's noted for that!
HOLLIN: Heavenly, loving nymphs initially mingle with grease here.
7. Foreign gunshots mingle for her?
DENETHOR: Verdant namesake of one with destructive, burning issues.
EYE OF SAURON: Survivor song loses article and beast; add a dark wizard for perspective.
10. Man in the moon's rhyming pair of irregulars.

Near enough. ;)

Well done.

[Urwen]

3. Radagast (ADA+STAG (+R from Er..))

And the password is MORE SHADES.

[Urwen]

And with that out of the way, 5 is Salvia, from VIALS+A

[Urwen]

And I'll take a stab for 7 too, with Aredhel (LEAD+???)

[Pervinca Took]

MORMEGIL: Additional little woman under the weather, they say? See him! (black)
ORALD: The brightly-jacketed One. (blue)
RADAGAST: Hear a sigh. A palindrome girl meets a confused, antlered creature to reveal him. (brown)
ELVEN-EYES: Keen they are, and often the only indicators of age. (grey)

SALVIA: Her little bottles are in a terrible muddle. She's noted for that! (purple)
HOLLIN: Heavenly, loving nymphs initially mingle with grease here. (red)
7. Foreign gunshots mingle for her?
DENETHOR: Verdant namesake of one with destructive, burning issues. (green)
EYE OF SAURON: Survivor song loses article and beast; add a dark wizard for perspective.(yellow)
S Man in the moon's rhyming pair of irregulars.

Aredhel is very, very close.

The R in Radagast is for a sigh that sounds like 'Ah!'

[Urwen]

So the password is not MORE SHADES?


How about MORE SHADED instead?

[Pervinca Took]

So the password is not MORE SHADES?


How about MORE SHADED instead?

Sorry. I thought I'd put all the letters in. I have now. It's a throwback to the other 'colours' passwords I did, all inspired by Huey's brilliant RAINBOW one.

I was impressed that you got SALVIA, Urwen. Have you been trawling Shire family trees as well? ;)

[Urwen]

You still haven't added A. And speaking of which, if Aredhel is close, then maybe Ar-Feiniel?

The only other possible solution that fits is ASPHODEL.

[Pervinca Took]

MORMEGIL: Additional little woman under the weather, they say? See him! (black)
ORALD: The brightly-jacketed One. (blue)
RADAGAST: Hear a sigh. A palindrome girl meets a confused, antlered creature to reveal him. (brown)
ELVEN-EYES: Keen they are, and often the only indicators of age. (grey)

SALVIA: Her little bottles are in a terrible muddle. She's noted for that! (purple)
HOLLIN: Heavenly, loving nymphs initially mingle with grease here. (red)
AR-FEINIEL: Foreign gunshots mingle for her? (white)
DENETHOR: Verdant namesake of one with destructive, burning issues. (green)
EYE OF SAURON: Survivor song loses article and beast; add a dark wizard for perspective.(yellow)
S Man in the moon's rhyming pair of irregulars.

AR-FEINIEL (ALIEN FIRE).

Denethor is green because the 'other' one was one of the Laiquendi.

[Urwen]

And the last one could be SPOONS

[Pervinca Took]

And the last one could be SPOONS

Close - ish. But no cigar. ;)

Remember there needs to be a colour association.

Hollin is red because it's derived from 'holly,' I believe, so red berries.

[Urwen]

Spoons are described as silver in the poem, so there is a color association...

[Pervinca Took]

It isn't spoons. That doesn't satisfy the 'irregulars' part of the clue.

You do, however, have the right colour.

Perhaps you're in the wrong poem?

[Pervinca Took]

MORMEGIL: Additional little woman under the weather, they say? See him! (black)
ORALD: The brightly-jacketed One. (blue)
RADAGAST: Hear a sigh. A palindrome girl meets a confused, antlered creature to reveal him. (brown)
ELVEN-EYES: Keen they are, and often the only indicators of age. (grey)

SALVIA: Her little bottles are in a terrible muddle. She's noted for that! (purple)
HOLLIN: Heavenly, loving nymphs initially mingle with grease here. (red)
AR-FEINIEL: Foreign gunshots mingle for her? (white)
DENETHOR: Verdant namesake of one with destructive, burning issues. (green)
EYE OF SAURON: Survivor song loses article and beast; add a dark wizard for perspective.(yellow)
S Man in the moon's rhyming pair of irregulars.

For the new page.

[Urwen]

If you mean this one (http://www.councilofelrond.com/poem/the-man-in-the-moon-came-down-too-soon/), I can't find any 'rhyming pair of irregulars' therein.

[Pervinca Took]

If you mean this one (http://www.councilofelrond.com/poem/the-man-in-the-moon-came-down-too-soon/), I can't find any 'rhyming pair of irregulars' therein.

You must have missed the first line, then. ;)

[Urwen]

Okay, but how does 'shoon' mean 'irregular'? Unless it's in some dialect I've never heard of? :confused:

ETA: Oh, I see. I get it.

[Pervinca Took]

MORMEGIL: Additional little woman under the weather, they say? See him! (black)
ORALD: The brightly-jacketed One. (blue)
RADAGAST: Hear a sigh. A palindrome girl meets a confused, antlered creature to reveal him. (brown)
ELVEN-EYES: Keen they are, and often the only indicators of age. (grey)

SALVIA: Her little bottles are in a terrible muddle. She's noted for that! (purple)
HOLLIN: Heavenly, loving nymphs initially mingle with grease here. (red)
AR-FEINIEL: Foreign gunshots mingle for her? (white)
DENETHOR: Verdant namesake of one with destructive, burning issues. (green)
EYE OF SAURON: Survivor song loses article and beast; add a dark wizard for perspective.(yellow)
SHOON: Man in the moon's rhyming pair of irregulars. (silver)

SHOON probably wasn't an irregular plural in the olden days, but it is now.

Over to you!

[Urwen]

Mine is also inspired by a different puzzle.

1. A creature with a petrifying stare exchanges one direction for another. A baddie emerges.
2. In confusion, a small, sturdy horse finds him.
3. A palindromic girl meets the Spanish, for him.
4. Two roman numerals surround a confused girl. See her.
5. Her rest by a meandering river is broken.
6. An expression denoting an example surrounded by a scattered military branch for her.
7. In confusion, she brought a rabbit.
8. Close? Just return and switch a sound with its successor to find her.
9. Reverse an anabolic drug to find him.

[Pervinca Took]

Well, you can get DIOR by reversing SOME of STEROID.

[Urwen]

Sure, except the layman term is 'ROID'.

1. A creature with a petrifying stare exchanges one direction for another. A baddie emerges.
2. In confusion, a small, sturdy horse finds him.
3. A palindromic girl meets the Spanish, for him.
4. Two roman numerals surround a confused girl. See her.
5. Her rest by a meandering river is broken.
6. An expression denoting an example surrounded by a scattered military branch for her.
7. In confusion, she brought a rabbit.
8. Close? Just return and switch a sound with its successor to find her.
DIOR: Reverse an anabolic drug to find him.

[Pervinca Took]

IVRINIEL almost works - I and L are Roman numerals. IV might count as one Roman numeral, perhaps?

IRINE as an alternative form of IRINE?

Roman Numerals: I V X L C D M.

I don't think there are any others.

[Urwen]

There are also VI, VII, XI...

[Huinesoron]

There are also VI, VII, XI...

Now watch the answer be Mmxlviiactherinedcccxxxiv. ;) (It's a minor peak in the White Mountains; it's all in the Hostetter book, you know.)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

3. I will try ADANEL and hope you just forgot about the N.

ADA + ? + EL.

Oh, hang on. Adanel is female.

Hmmm.

Four possible endings: EL LA LOS LAS

But none of them go with ADA or ANNA or ELLE or EVE.

Or AVA.

[Urwen]

You have the right idea with Adanel, but...Ada is not the only palindromic girl.

[Pervinca Took]

There are also VI, VII, XI...

By the same token, there are CL, LX, ID, MI, etc etc.

[Pervinca Took]

ANNA-TAR ...

I suppose there's no way TAR can stand for THE SPANISH?

How about if it were a Spanish sailor? ;)

...

However, heading to possible names beginning with ANNA on the Encyclopædia of Arda brought me to ANNAEL, the foster-father of Tuor.

Well, so far we are in the First Age.

[Pervinca Took]

Well, we *were.*

4. VIDUMAVI?

VI MAUD VI

Mother of Eldacar of Gondor.

If the three I've guessed so far are right, the answers to far seem to bd parents or foster-parents of arguably more significant people. (If you could say that Elwing is more significant than Dior - and I'm not sure she is).

[Pervinca Took]

8. RIAN?

NEAR backwards is RAEN - switch AE with IA? Or switch A and E and add the succeeding vowel?

[Urwen]

The theme is wrong, as I am sure the solutions to 1 and 5 never had children, or at least, not according to Silmarillion/FoG/HoME. Maybe 5 could have had a stillborn behind the scenes, but not 1...

[Urwen]

1. A creature with a petrifying stare exchanges one direction for another. A baddie emerges.
2. In confusion, a small, sturdy horse finds him.
ANNAEL: A palindromic girl meets the Spanish, for him.
VIDUMAVI: Two roman numerals surround a confused girl. See her.
5. Her rest by a meandering river is broken.
6. An expression denoting an example surrounded by a scattered military branch for her.
7. In confusion, she brought a rabbit.
RIAN: Close? Just return and switch a sound with its successor to find her.
DIOR: Reverse an anabolic drug to find him.

[Pervinca Took]

They're a BRAVE HERD? :D


...

GRAVEYARD?

If so, YAVIEN for 6? NAVY around IE? (Which is that is, not example, so around I (aye) and E for example?)

[Urwen]

G: A creature with a petrifying stare exchanges one direction for another. A baddie emerges.
R: In confusion, a small, sturdy horse finds him.
ANNAEL: A palindromic girl meets the Spanish, for him.
VIDUMAVI: Two roman numerals surround a confused girl. See her.
E: Her rest by a meandering river is broken.
YAVIEN: An expression denoting an example surrounded by a scattered military branch for her.
A: In confusion, she brought a rabbit.
RIAN: Close? Just return and switch a sound with its successor to find her.
DIOR: Reverse an anabolic drug to find him.

[Pervinca Took]

Could the remaining A be AREDHEL? (LED HARE?)

[Urwen]

G: A creature with a petrifying stare exchanges one direction for another. A baddie emerges.
R: In confusion, a small, sturdy horse finds him.
ANNAEL: A palindromic girl meets the Spanish, for him.
VIDUMAVI: Two roman numerals surround a confused girl. See her.
E: Her rest by a meandering river is broken.
YAVIEN: An expression denoting an example surrounded by a scattered military branch for her.
AREDHEL: In confusion, she brought a rabbit.
RIAN: Close? Just return and switch a sound with its successor to find her.
DIOR: Reverse an anabolic drug to find him.

[Pervinca Took]

Is the remaining E EILINEL?

LIE + NILE.

GORGON might be the starting point for G. Maybe it leads to GORBAG. But neither GON nor BAG are directions.

Maybe RUMIL for R, because it sort of contains MULE? (MUIL).

[Urwen]

G: A creature with a petrifying stare exchanges one direction for another. A baddie emerges.
R: In confusion, a small, sturdy horse finds him.
ANNAEL: A palindromic girl meets the Spanish, for him.
VIDUMAVI: Two roman numerals surround a confused girl. See her.
EILINEL: Her rest by a meandering river is broken.
YAVIEN: An expression denoting an example surrounded by a scattered military branch for her.
AREDHEL: In confusion, she brought a rabbit.
RIAN: Close? Just return and switch a sound with its successor to find her.
DIOR: Reverse an anabolic drug to find him.

[Huinesoron]

G: I was poking around with basilisk and Medusa when I remembered gorgon (having not yet seen Pervinca's last comment), and thus GORGOL the Butcher.

No idea about R; my knowledge of horses is very limited. I've tried working back from the theme, but I don't know what that is either. :D 'Graveyard' suggests 'people who died', but Annael doesn't seem to be recorded as dying, and Yavien only is by default (as a mortal). The others I think are significant for their deaths, but those two break my prospective theme and leave me floundering.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

I tried little horses - Stybba, Strider and Bill - and pony and mule - but didn't get anywhere.

Perhaps it's a little bit of a big horse's name?

[Huinesoron]

I tried little horses - Stybba, Strider and Bill - and pony and mule - but didn't get anywhere.

Perhaps it's a little bit of a big horse's name?

Hmm. I've been assuming it's a Primary World breed or type of horse, like Exmoor pony (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exmoor_pony) (but probably not that). Or it could be two or three words - "rugged pony", "tiny hard equine", etc.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

There are the names Bombadil gives to those five ponies, too, but they are even harder to incorporate into an answer.

Part of the word HORSE, perhaps?

[Huinesoron]

So it's a male character, who probably died in significant circumstances. A quick scour of the Encyclopedia of Arda list for R only throws up RADHRUIN, companion of Barahir, who has 'hard' (sturdy) at the start of his name. Perhaps 'ruin' is a part of the name of some horse ('small... horse')?

hS

[Urwen]

So it's a male character, who probably died in significant circumstances. A quick scour of the Encyclopedia of Arda list for R only throws up RADHRUIN, companion of Barahir, who has 'hard' (sturdy) at the start of his name. Perhaps 'ruin' is a part of the name of some horse ('small... horse')?

hS


Close, very close. Look at other members of that group.

[Urwen]

And also...

GORGOL: A creature with a petrifying stare exchanges one direction for another. A baddie emerges.
R: In confusion, a small, sturdy horse finds him.
ANNAEL: A palindromic girl meets the Spanish, for him.
VIDUMAVI: Two roman numerals surround a confused girl. See her.
EILINEL: Her rest by a meandering river is broken.
YAVIEN: An expression denoting an example surrounded by a scattered military branch for her.
AREDHEL: In confusion, she brought a rabbit.
RIAN: Close? Just return and switch a sound with its successor to find her.
DIOR: Reverse an anabolic drug to find him.

[Huinesoron]

Close, very close. Look at other members of that group.

Um. If the R is the first letter it would have to be RAGNOR. I guess it includes 'nag', but 'ror' only works for "small and sturdy" if it's a synonym for "tiny but fierce" - "ROR!".

Ah, but the Scrabble dictionary of all places tells me that while 'rangor' isn't a word (I was thinking, like 'ranger'?), GARRON is a 'A small and usually Disdained type of Horse'. That seems to fit. :)

Though now I'm stuck imagining Dorthonion hill-ponies which glare at you for a while, and then say roooor, roooor. They're so fearsomely adorable!

hS

[Urwen]

GORGOL: A creature with a petrifying stare exchanges one direction for another. A baddie emerges.
RAGNOR: In confusion, a small, sturdy horse finds him.
ANNAEL: A palindromic girl meets the Spanish, for him.
VIDUMAVI: Two roman numerals surround a confused girl. See her.
EILINEL: Her rest by a meandering river is broken.
YAVIEN: An expression denoting an example surrounded by a scattered military branch for her.
AREDHEL: In confusion, she brought a rabbit.
RIAN: Close? Just return and switch a sound with its successor to find her.
DIOR: Reverse an anabolic drug to find him.

And over to Pervinca, I think.

[Urwen]

G: I was poking around with basilisk and Medusa when I remembered gorgon (having not yet seen Pervinca's last comment), and thus GORGOL the Butcher.

No idea about R; my knowledge of horses is very limited. I've tried working back from the theme, but I don't know what that is either. :D 'Graveyard' suggests 'people who died', but Annael doesn't seem to be recorded as dying, and Yavien only is by default (as a mortal). The others I think are significant for their deaths, but those two break my prospective theme and leave me floundering.

hS


Also to add, that is indeed the theme, and Annael probably got killed off-page. I mean, if he were alive during the Second and Third Ages, then surely someone, like Cirdan, would have mentioned that fact, or at least someone would have noted he was there during their brief stay at the Havens. Or Cirdan would have mentioned it. So he is dead. :D

[Huinesoron]

Also to add, that is indeed the theme, and Annael probably got killed off-page. I mean, if he were alive during the Second and Third Ages, then surely someone, like Cirdan, would have mentioned that fact, or at least someone would have noted he was there during their brief stay at the Havens. Or Cirdan would have mentioned it. So he is dead. :D

Fair enough, though I wonder when. UT claims that "Annael and many of his folk had indeed escaped from Dor-lómin and came at last to Círdan in the far South", and that Ulmo had been picking up gossip about Tuor from them. Perhaps they went over to Balar, and so weren't around Sirion when Tuor showed back up? (Come to think of it, I placed him at the totally-serious Regency Council (https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13560935/1/Regency-Council) where Gil-Galad was proclaimed High King...)

But yes, he joins Nellas on the list of "if they were alive, surely someone would have mentioned it?" Sindar.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

OK, have just rustled this one up:

1. Lots of love surrounding article surrounding pronouns surrounding direction. All this, for her.
2. See her preserve a citrus fruit, after a little concoction.
3. A nasal, a liquid and an aspirant mix with some French dog poo for her.
4. Damsel in distress.
5. She's reassembled by one who renders people much less dependent, perhaps?
6. This girl seems blue, though she changes at the end. And she's oh, so precious.

[Urwen]

6. Beryl? It's both a girl's name and a gem, and there is that poem as well, and it's closest to 'blue'

[Urwen]

4. Damsel in distress.


Also, this could be lots of women. Like, Finduilas, Nienor, Elwing, Celebrian...

And since she fits the traditional definition best, I am going to say Celebrian.

[Urwen]

1. Lothiriel. I am sure of that. :D

[Urwen]

And 5 could be Ungoliant (UNLIANT+GO)

But, er, what do those two have in common?

[Pervinca Took]

None of the above.

Except LOTHIRIEL.

[Pervinca Took]

LOTHIRIEL: Lots of love surrounding article surrounding pronouns surrounding direction. All this, for her.
2. See her preserve a citrus fruit, after a little concoction.
3. A nasal, a liquid and an aspirant mix with some French dog poo for her.
4. Damsel in distress.
5. She's reassembled by one who renders people much less dependent, perhaps?
6. This girl seems blue, though she changes at the end. And she's oh, so precious.

[Urwen]

Password could be 'LADIES'.

[Urwen]

In which case, 2 is ALMIEL (A+L+LIME)

[Pervinca Took]

LOTHIRIEL: Lots of love surrounding article surrounding pronouns surrounding direction. All this, for her.
A See her preserve a citrus fruit, after a little concoction.
D A nasal, a liquid and an aspirant mix with some French dog poo for her.
I Damsel in distress.
EShe's reassembled by one who renders people much less dependent, perhaps?
S This girl seems blue, though she changes at the end. And she's oh, so precious.

ALMIEL is wrong.

[Huinesoron]

S: Is there a hobbit named SAPPHIRA? [Checks] Ah, she's a Boffin.

E: The word 'renders' catches my eye as being a near-anagram for ERENDIS. You'd lose an R ("much less") but gain an I ("one who"), and then scramble ("reassembles"). She's also much less dependent than her husband would wish!

hS

[Pervinca Took]

LOTHIRIEL: Lots of love surrounding article surrounding pronouns surrounding direction. All this, for her.
A See her preserve a citrus fruit, after a little concoction.
D A nasal, a liquid and an aspirant mix with some French dog poo for her.
I Damsel in distress.
E She's reassembled by one who renders people much less dependent, perhaps?
SAPPHIRA: This girl seems blue, though she changes at the end. And she's oh, so precious.

Not Erendis.

And the damsel clue has a cryptic element.

[Urwen]

Dis, whose name is literally in 'distress'

DISTRESS

[Galadriel55]

Dis, whose name is literally in 'distress'

DISTRESS

My thought exactly, but I think it's INDIS.

[Urwen]

2. Ancalime (A LIME in a CAN)

[Pervinca Took]

LOTHIRIEL: Lots of love surrounding article surrounding pronouns surrounding direction. All this, for her.
ANCALIME: See her preserve a citrus fruit, after a little concoction.
D A nasal, a liquid and an aspirant mix with some French dog poo for her.
INDIS: Damsel in distress.
E She's reassembled by one who renders people much less dependent, perhaps?
SAPPHIRA: This girl seems blue, though she changes at the end. And she's oh, so precious.

No, it works grammatically. ;) Preserve a citrus fruit = CAN A LIME.

I didn't actually see/think of DIS in distress. I'm fond of G55's 'hide the running answer in the clue' clues and saw an opportunity. I just stretched the meaning a bit, because 'Damsel in in distress' would have sacrificed both grammar and euphony. :D

Speaking of euphony, 'French poo' would suffice in the D clue. 'Dog' is for euphony, and otherwise quite superfluous. :D

[Huinesoron]

Speaking of euphony, 'Frech poo' would suffice in the D clue. 'Dog' is for euphony, and otherwise quite superfluous. :D

Well, if you add a nasal N, a liquid L, and an aspirant H, you can get DERNHELM. :p

hS

[Urwen]

Well, 'MERDE' is french for 'poo', but there is no name beginning with D that includes all the letters in that word...

[Pervinca Took]

LOTHIRIEL: Lots of love surrounding article surrounding pronouns surrounding direction. All this, for her.
ANCALIME: See her preserve a citrus fruit, after a little concoction.
DERNHELM: A nasal, a liquid and an aspirant mix with some French dog poo for her.
INDIS: Damsel in distress.
EARWEN: She's reassembled from something that renders people much less dependent, perhaps?
SAPPHIRA: This girl seems blue, though she changes at the end. And she's oh, so precious.

And over to Urwen.

[Urwen]

A hint for that last one, pls?

[Pervinca Took]

The last one is not that obscure. Try some names and work backwards to an anagram.

[Urwen]

I have tried doing that as well.

Names beginning with E: Elbereth, Eledhwen, Elenwe, Elwing, Emerwen, Eowyn, Emeldir, Eilinel, Elfhild, Elanor, Eglantine.

And none of them works even when working backwards...

Unless of course, it's ELANOR from LOANER or something...I've used that once before...

[Pervinca Took]

It isn't one of them. But it still isn't that obscure.

It makes a perfect anagram of someone getting someone else no longer dependent on something.

Think in baby terms.

And see the clue ... I have just amended it.

[Huinesoron]

It isn't one of them. But it still isn't that obscure.

It makes a perfect anagram of someone getting someone else no longer dependent on something.

Think in baby terms.

And see the clue ... I have just amended it.

Took me a minute or two, but 'baby' suggests weaning... which would be a weaner, which I think is an anagram of EARWEN.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Sorry, I clicked Edit instead of Quote. Correct and put in.

And over to Earwen - I mean Urwen!

[Urwen]

A short one, but valid nonetheless, I think. :D

1. Swiss folk hero loses his end. A Hobbit with a vowel switch follows. She appears. (Two)
2. The first biblical murderer has his supper interrupted, by her. (One)
3. A musical note, a direction, and a rearranged fib form her. Take the fourth. (Four)
4. She belongs to middle ages, with a direction, but twisted. Take the fourth. (Three)

The clues in parentheses might help you out. ;)

[Pervinca Took]

The clues in brackets could refer to Ages.

If they do, 3 could be FIRIEL.

F (note) + rearranged LIE (fib).

I can't account for the IR after the F, though.

[Urwen]

My bad, forget to include a part of the clue. Fixed.

And no, the clues in brackets do not refer to ages, but rather something else...something Huey and I are both very interested in...

[Pervinca Took]

Was the -IEL ending right?

[Huinesoron]

My bad, forget to include a part of the clue. Fixed.

And no, the clues in brackets do not refer to ages, but rather something else...something Huey and I are both very interested in...

[Eyebrow slowly rises to Elrondesque levels]

#1: Tel(l) + Peri[e]n = TELPERIEN

#2: Cain + meal = ANCALIME.

#3: Mi + R + lie = MIRIEL

#4: ... mostly containing middle, it's VANIMELDE

Password is TARI, 'queens'?

hS

[Urwen]

*sassy evil smile*

[Urwen]

And one, and two, and a one-two-three-four! :smokin:

TELPERIEN: Swiss folk hero loses his end. A Hobbit with a vowel switch follows. She appears. (Two)
ANCALIME: The first biblical murderer has his supper interrupted, by her. (One)
MIRIEL: A musical note, a direction, and a rearranged fib form her. Take the fourth. (Four)
VANIMELDE: She belongs to middle ages, with a direction, but twisted. Take the fourth. (Three)

You're up.

[Huinesoron]

Thank you very much. :)

1. - A puller of powdered ice, or perhaps a metaphorical mountain.
2. - Like hammer falling, war is a disarray of thorn(s).
3. - To write a lot but change to stop, is to lead a column of the finest.
4. - "Let go, girl," he mumbled in a dialect, but not the one you're thinking of.
5. - The Beorian element we change at first, and come home at last.
6. - A quarter off an old ambulance with a nucleus of helium? Sounds towering.
7. - A deer loses its tail but gains small prongs playing.
8. - Oh my friend, a colourful gem!
9. - Bender of spoons, or bender of space?
10. - Unadorned and imitative? Where's my horse? Tea is cancelled!
11. - Look around. Three directions threee and then a spouse makes for a dreamer.
12. - Gulp! A bird!

hS

[Pervinca Took]

12. Does CARC sound like a gulp?

To gulp is to SWALLOW - a bird, but Tolkien connection?

8. O-PAL.

10. Wonder if it's a PLAIN somewhere (for unadorned).

[Huinesoron]

12. Does CARC sound like a gulp?

To gulp is to SWALLOW - a bird, but Tolkien connection?

8. O-PAL.

10. Wonder if it's a PLAIN somewhere (for unadorned).

Not a plain, but an opal... and a swallow!

1. - A puller of powdered ice, or perhaps a metaphorical mountain.
2. - Like hammer falling, war is a disarray of thorn(s).
3. - To write a lot but change to stop, is to lead a column of the finest.
4. - "Let go, girl," he mumbled in a dialect, but not the one you're thinking of.
5. - The Beorian element we change at first, and come home at last.
6. - A quarter off an old ambulance with a nucleus of helium? Sounds towering.
7. - A deer loses its tail but gains small prongs playing.
OPAL - Oh my friend, a colourful gem!
9. - Bender of spoons, or bender of space?
10. - Unadorned and imitative? Where's my horse? Tea is cancelled!
11. - Look around. Three directions threee and then a spouse makes for a dreamer.
SWALLOW - Gulp! A bird!

hS

[Pervinca Took]

9. ERU , which is a tiny bit like URI (GELLAR?)

[Galadriel55]

2. THORN scrambles to NORTH, but not sure what to do with the first half.

4. "Leggo, lass" - LEGOLAS?

[Urwen]

Password could be 'TWELVE HOUSES', except I am not sure how 'opal' factors into that...

[Huinesoron]

9. ERU , which is a tiny bit like URI (GELLAR?)

And "Uri" is a name for the sun, which according to Einstein bends... you get it. :D

2. THORN scrambles to NORTH, but not sure what to do with the first half.

4. "Leggo, lass" - LEGOLAS?

Thorn > North is irrelevant, I'm afraid. Legolas is correct.

Password could be 'TWELVE HOUSES', except I am not sure how 'opal' factors into that...

Okay, that's impressive. :D Apparently opals were symbolic of the House of the Heavenly Arch (I believe they each wore a big one on their helmets).

Clue #3 has had a parenthesis added, because I forgot I needed the second letter...

1. T - A puller of powdered ice, or perhaps a metaphorical mountain.
2. W - Like hammer falling, war is a disarray of thorn(s).
3. E - To write a lot but change to stop, is to lead (or come second in) a column of the finest.
LEGOLAS - "Let go, girl," he mumbled in a dialect, but not the one you're thinking OF. (Tree)
5. V - The Beorian element we change at first, and come home at last.
6. E - A quarter off an old ambulance with a nucleus of helium? Sounds towering.
7. H - A deer loses its tail but gains small prongs playing.
OPAL - Oh my friend, a colourful gem! (Heavenly Arch)
URI [the Sun] - Bender of spoons, or bender of space? (Golden Flower)
10. S - Unadorned and imitative? Where's my horse? Tea is cancelled!
11. E - Look around. Three directions threee and then a spouse makes for a dreamer.
SWALLOW - Gulp! A bird! (Swallow)

hS

[Urwen]

2 is Wrath. Hammer tipped me off.

[Pervinca Took]

6. Ecthelion?

Apart from He and the tower and the E, I'm not sure why, though.

[Huinesoron]

2 is Wrath. Hammer tipped me off.

War + Th, the old letter thorn.

6. Ecthelion?

Apart from He and the tower and the E, I'm not sure why, though.

Ecto-1 is the Ghost busters car, converted from an ambulance (or hearse in the remake). Apparently a helium nucleus is called a Helion.

1. T - A puller of powdered ice, or perhaps a metaphorical mountain.
WRATH - Like hammer falling, war is a disarray of thorn(s). (Hammer of Wrath)
3. E - To write a lot but change to stop, is to lead (or come second in) a column of the finest.
LEGOLAS - "Let go, girl," he mumbled in a dialect, but not the one you're thinking OF. (Tree)
5. V - The Beorian element we change at first, and come home at last.
ECTHELION - A quarter off an old ambulance with a nucleus of helium? Sounds towering. (Fountain
7. H - A deer loses its tail but gains small prongs playing.
OPAL - Oh my friend, a colourful gem! (Heavenly Arch)
URI [the Sun] - Bender of spoons, or bender of space? (Golden Flower)
10. S - Unadorned and imitative? Where's my horse? Tea is cancelled!
11. E - Look around. Three directions threee and then a spouse makes for a dreamer.
SWALLOW - Gulp! A bird! (Swallow)

hS

[Urwen]

There are five letters and six houses left. I guess one of the houses is not included. You didn't leave out my favorite, did you? I mean, I included yours in my puzzle...

[Urwen]

1. Tower
10. Salgant? (???)

[Urwen]

5. Voronwe?

[Huinesoron]

There are five letters and six houses left. I guess one of the houses is not included. You didn't leave out my favorite, did you? I mean, I included yours in my puzzle...

(There are six letters left... :D)

1. Tower
10. Salgant? (???)

1. Half-right.
10. No, though I admit it sounds like stuff he'd say!

5. Voronwe?

Yes. Did you just guess that from the letter? It's Boron (Third Head of House of Beor/fifth element) > Voron, + we.

1. T - A puller of powdered ice, or perhaps a metaphorical mountain.
WRATH - Like hammer falling, war is a disarray of thorn(s). (Hammer of Wrath)
3. E - To write a lot but change to stop, is to lead (or come second in) a column of the finest.
LEGOLAS - "Let go, girl," he mumbled in a dialect, but not the one you're thinking OF. (Tree)
VORONWE - The Beorian element we change at first, and come home at last. (Wing)
ECTHELION - A quarter off an old ambulance with a nucleus of helium? Sounds towering. (Fountain
7. H - A deer loses its tail but gains small prongs playing.
OPAL - Oh my friend, a colourful gem! (Heavenly Arch)
URI [the Sun] - Bender of spoons, or bender of space? (Golden Flower)
10. S - Unadorned and imitative? Where's my horse? Tea is cancelled!
11. E - Look around. Three directions threee and then a spouse makes for a dreamer.
SWALLOW - Gulp! A bird! (Swallow)

hS

[Urwen]

Oh, wait? S could be 'sable mole', from STABLE (where horses are kept) - T (for tea) + MOLE (for imitation, I guess, though it's used to denote spies, these days. Which they were, but I digress... :D)

[Urwen]

And T is Tower of Snow.

[Pervinca Took]

Were there 12 houses of elves?

[Huinesoron]

Were there 12 houses of elves?

Per The Fall of Gondolin , there were in that city, and they all conveniently had their own symbols, emblems, colours, traits, and leaders. I decided I wanted to try another Full Set password.

Oh, wait? S could be 'sable mole', from STABLE (where horses are kept) - T (for tea) + MOLE (for imitation, I guess, though it's used to denote spies, these days. Which they were, but I digress... :D)

Just 'Sable' actually; 'unadorned and imitative' refers to the fact that their black banner was identical to Morgoth's, which I believe is what we call "definitely a coincidence and not at all suspicious".

And T is Tower of Snow.

Yep.

TOWER OF SNOW - A puller of powdered ice, or perhaps a metaphorical MOUNTAIN. (Tower of Snow)
WRATH - Like hammer falling, war is a disarray of thorn(s). (Hammer of Wrath)
3. E - To write a lot but change to stop, is to lead (or come second in) a column of the finest.
LEGOLAS - "Let go, girl," he mumbled in a dialect, but not the one you're thinking OF. (Tree)
VORONWE - The Beorian element we change at first, and come home at last. (Wing)
ECTHELION - A quarter off an old ambulance with a nucleus of helium? Sounds towering. (Fountain
7. H - A deer loses its tail but gains small prongs playing.
OPAL - Oh my friend, a colourful gem! (Heavenly Arch)
URI [the Sun] - Bender of spoons, or bender of space? (Golden Flower)
SABLE - Unadorned and imitative? Where's my horse? Tea is CANCELLED! (Mole)
11. E - Look around. Three directions threee and then a spouse makes for a dreamer.
SWALLOW - Gulp! A bird! (Swallow)

Three to go!

hS

[Urwen]

H is HARP (HART-T+P)

[Urwen]

But I can't find anything that fits the last two. Maybe someone else will be able to do it?

[Pervinca Took]

But I can't find anything that fits the last two. Maybe someone else will be able to do it?

Not my area of expertise, unfortunately. Have tried, but ....

[Huinesoron]

H is HARP (HART-T+P)

Correct!

Not my area of expertise, unfortunately. Have tried, but ....

So the two houses left are the Pillar and the King, and yeah, these are the trickiest clues, because:

3: Note that this uses the second letter, which I'm very disappointed to have needed. :(

11. 'Look around' is just an anagram indicator. Focus on the next three words to find an anagrammed name with a Gondolin association, and then follow the rest of the clue.

TOWER OF SNOW - A puller of powdered ice, or perhaps a metaphorical MOUNTAIN. (Tower of Snow)
WRATH - Like hammer falling, war is a disarray of thorn(s). (Hammer of Wrath)
3. E - To write a lot but change to stop, is to lead (or come second in) a column of the finest.
LEGOLAS - "Let go, girl," he mumbled in a dialect, but not the one you're thinking OF. (Tree)
VORONWE - The Beorian element we change at first, and come home at last. (Wing)
ECTHELION - A quarter off an old ambulance with a nucleus of helium? Sounds towering. (Fountain
HARP - A deer loses its tail but gains small prongs playing. (Harp)
OPAL - Oh my friend, a colourful gem! (Heavenly Arch)
URI [the Sun] - Bender of spoons, or bender of space? (Golden Flower)
SABLE - Unadorned and imitative? Where's my horse? Tea is CANCELLED! (Mole)
11. E - Look around. Three directions threee and then a spouse makes for a dreamer.
SWALLOW - Gulp! A bird! (Swallow)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Is the spelling of 'threee' deliberate?

[Urwen]

3. The only thing that comes to mind is PENLOD (PEN for writing + LOT, which changes into LOD)...

[Huinesoron]

Is the spelling of 'threee' deliberate?

^_~ :D

3. The only thing that comes to mind is PENLOD (PEN for writing + LOT, which changes into LOD)...

Correct. 'To pen' is a synonym for 'to write', and Lot > Lod changes the stop consonant at the end.

TOWER OF SNOW - A puller of powdered ice, or perhaps a metaphorical MOUNTAIN. (Tower of Snow)
WRATH - Like hammer falling, war is a disarray of thorn(s). (Hammer of Wrath)
PENLOD - To write a lot but change to stop, is to lead (or come second in) a column of the finest. (Pillar)
LEGOLAS - "Let go, girl," he mumbled in a dialect, but not the one you're thinking OF. (Tree)
VORONWE - The Beorian element we change at first, and come home at last. (Wing)
ECTHELION - A quarter off an old ambulance with a nucleus of helium? Sounds towering. (Fountain)
HARP - A deer loses its tail but gains small prongs playing. (Harp)
OPAL - Oh my friend, a colourful gem! (Heavenly Arch)
URI [the Sun] - Bender of spoons, or bender of space? (Golden Flower)
SABLE - Unadorned and imitative? Where's my horse? Tea is CANCELLED! (Mole)
11. E - Look around. Three directions threee and then a spouse makes for a dreamer.
SWALLOW - Gulp! A bird! (Swallow)

hS

[Urwen]

For the last one

Ether? Ehret? Eheret? Etereh?

[Urwen]

Enerdhil?

[Huinesoron]

None of those. You are not looking for an anagram of 'three' (or 'three e).

hS

[Urwen]

Echor?

[Urwen]

Or Ælfwine (WIFE+L+N+E)

[Urwen]

As for the dreamer bit, from his TG page:


Many days after they passed Ireland the voyagers were exhausted. A "dreamlike death" seemed to come over them, and soon they passed out.

[Huinesoron]

Echor?

Or Ælfwine (WIFE+L+N+E)

No and no.

The clue breaks down like this:

[Anagram of whatever is meant by [three directions threee]] + 'a spouse' = 'a dreamer'.

Given which House is left, the person constituting the final answer should be pretty easy to guess; it's just a matter of figuring out how I'm referring to them.

hS

[Urwen]

I am lost...Spouse=wife?

[Urwen]

Earendil? Elenwe? Elemmakil? Ereinion?

[Huinesoron]

I am lost...Spouse=wife?

That is one meaning of the word, yes.

Earendil? Elenwe? Elemmakil? Ereinion?

One of these answers is relevant.

hS

[Urwen]

Relevant? (https://www.threee.com/)

[Urwen]

The archaic meaning of 'SPOUSE' is 'WED', and I am thinking we should take away directions rather than add them. So 'WED' - 'W' = ED...

Either way, I think the answer is Earendil...

[Huinesoron]

Relevant? (https://www.threee.com/)

Nope.

The archaic meaning of 'SPOUSE' is 'WED', and I am thinking we should take away directions rather than add them. So 'WED' - 'W' = ED...

Either way, I think the answer is Earendil...

Earendil was in the House of the Wing, with his dad, which is already represented by Voronwe.

As to the other: you're overthinking it. Remember this:

[Anagram of whatever is meant by [three directions threee]] + 'a spouse' = 'a dreamer'.

'a spouse' is not part of the anagram or its instructions.

hS

[Urwen]

But what is meant by 'three directions threee' is what I cannot figure out, really, and you're not giving any hints for that part...

[Urwen]

Well, fine, I'll do a process of elimination. You said once it is a valid method.

Elenwe?

[Huinesoron]

But what is meant by 'three directions threee' is what I cannot figure out, really, and you're not giving any hints for that part...

You are looking for letters to mix together. What does 'X directions' usually mean? What could the text 't h r e e e' possibly indicate?

And more importantly: how many named people are there in the House of the King? How many have an association with dreams? How could we get from them to someone beginning with E by thinking about spouses?

hS

[Urwen]

I don't even have the list of named people in the House of the King.

Tolkien Gateway doesn't provide it and the FoG book doesn't either.

[Huinesoron]

I don't even have the list of named people in the House of the King.

Tolkien Gateway doesn't provide it and the FoG book doesn't either.

There's only one. ;)

hS

[Urwen]

In that case, he must have some unheard-of elvish name...cos I know who you mean, and his name doesn't even contain the letter E...

[Urwen]

And I've been blind. So, so blind. The answer was right there all along if you looked at it another way. You even told me one of those names is releavent, and I took it to mean one of those names is the answer. Once I realized that, and the fact that spouse could also mean 'husband', it all slid into place.

The answer is ELENWE'S HUSBAND, you sly dog, you. :smokin:

[Huinesoron]

And I've been blind. So, so blind. The answer was right there all along if you looked at it another way. You even told me one of those names is releavent, and I took it to mean one of those names is the answer. Once I realized that, and the fact that spouse could also mean 'husband', it all slid into place.

The answer is ELENWE'S HUSBAND, you sly dog, you. :smokin:

And there it is. :) Full password in a minute.

hS

[Huinesoron]

TOWER OF SNOW - A puller of powdered ice, or perhaps a metaphorical MOUNTAIN. (Tower of Snow)
WRATH - Like hammer falling, war is a disarray of thorn(s). (Hammer of Wrath)
PENLOD - To write a lot but change to stop, is to lead (or come second in) a column of the finest. (Pillar)
LEGOLAS - "Let go, girl," he mumbled in a dialect, but not the one you're thinking of. (Tree)
VORONWE - The Beorian element we change at first, and come home at last. (Wing)
ECTHELION - A quarter off an old ambulance with a nucleus of helium? Sounds towering. (Fountain)
HARP - A deer loses its tail but gains small prongs playing. (Harp)
OPAL - Oh my friend, a colourful gem! (Heavenly Arch)
URI [the Sun] - Bender of spoons, or bender of space? (Golden Flower)
SABLE - Unadorned and imitative? Where's my horse? Tea is CANCELLED! (Mole)
ELENWE'S HUSBAND - Look around. Three directions threee and then a spouse makes for a dreamer. (King)
SWALLOW - Gulp! A bird! (Swallow)

The 12 Houses of Gondolin

L+N+W + 'three E' gives Elenwe.

Over to you.

hS

[Urwen]

Password will be up as soon as I figure out how best to include all the letters.

[Urwen]

And I've managed to make the full set too, with only one letter not being the first. So have at it!

1. An article, a broken container, a delay, and a preposition come together for him.
2. A direction precedes a musical instrument for him.
3. Headless argot and a preposition form him.
4. A preposition, a verb, and two directions form them.
5. A holiday and headless throws form them.
6. They're ghosts of unlight.
7. Reversed chromium is within a confused Disney bear. There he is.
8. An admirer. A murderer, cut in half? That's him.
9. A bilabial nasal, a vowel and a Vala make him up.
10. A heated metal stick is warped. He is revealed.
11. He is a band creator.
12. An insect, a verb and a note spin in circles for him.
13. Centers are muddled and vowel-less. They appear.
14. Twisted sword handle meets little mother; a robot with two directions moves in circles; there they are.
15. A medieval vehicle, a modern vehicle, to stop, are in a muddle for him.

[Urwen]

Actually, that last one doesn't fit the theme. Please hold while I change it.

[Urwen]

There. Fixed. Proceed.

[Huinesoron]

#8: Fan + Kil(ler) = FANKIL, a servant of Melko.

#11: Just sounds like SAURON again, but could be CELEBRIMBOR to mix things up.

#nu15: could be Car + Cart + hoh = CARCHAROTH

hS

[Urwen]

Not Sauron, but the right character. Think more literally.

1. An article, a broken container, a delay, and a preposition come together for him.
2. A direction precedes a musical instrument for him.
3. Headless argot and a preposition form him.
4. A preposition, a verb, and two directions form them.
5. A holiday and headless throws form them.
6. They're ghosts of unlight.
7. Reversed chromium is within a confused Disney bear. There he is.
FANKIL: An admirer. A murderer, cut in half? That's him.
9. A bilabial nasal, a vowel and a Vala make him up.
10. A heated metal stick is warped. He is revealed.
11. He is a band creator.
12. An insect, a verb and a note spin in circles for him.
13. Centers are muddled and vowel-less. They appear.
14. Twisted sword handle meets little mother; a robot with two directions moves in circles; there they are.
CARCHAROTH: A medieval vehicle, a modern vehicle, to stop, are in a muddle for him.

[Huinesoron]

Not Sauron, but the right character. Think more literally.


I mean...

... RING-MAKER?

hS

[Urwen]

Precisely.

1. An article, a broken container, a delay, and a preposition come together for him.
2. A direction precedes a musical instrument for him.
3. Headless argot and a preposition form him.
4. A preposition, a verb, and two directions form them.
5. A holiday and headless throws form them.
6. They're ghosts of unlight.
7. Reversed chromium is within a confused Disney bear. There he is.
FANKIL: An admirer. A murderer, cut in half? That's him.
9. A bilabial nasal, a vowel and a Vala make him up.
10. A heated metal stick is warped. He is revealed.
RING-MAKER: He is a band creator.
12. An insect, a verb and a note spin in circles for him.
13. Centers are muddled and vowel-less. They appear.
14. Twisted sword handle meets little mother; a robot with two directions moves in circles; there they are.
CARCHAROTH: A medieval vehicle, a modern vehicle, to stop, are in a muddle for him.

[Pervinca Took]

2. L-organ.

[Urwen]

Correct. But I have to ask, why not try guessing more than clue at a time, like Huey did just now?

1. An article, a broken container, a delay, and a preposition come together for him.
LORGAN: A direction precedes a musical instrument for him.
3. Headless argot and a preposition form him.
4. A preposition, a verb, and two directions form them.
5. A holiday and headless throws form them.
6. They're ghosts of unlight.
7. Reversed chromium is within a confused Disney bear. There he is.
FANKIL: An admirer. A murderer, cut in half? That's him.
9. A bilabial nasal, a vowel and a Vala make him up.
10. A heated metal stick is warped. He is revealed.
RING-MAKER: He is a band creator.
12. An insect, a verb and a note spin in circles for him.
13. Centers are muddled and vowel-less. They appear.
14. Twisted sword handle meets little mother; a robot with two directions moves in circles; there they are.
CARCHAROTH: A medieval vehicle, a modern vehicle, to stop, are in a muddle for him.[/QUOTE]

[Huinesoron]

Correct. But I have to ask, why not try guessing more than clue at a time, like Huey did just now?

I mean, I only guessed multiple because I could come up with multiple possible answers. That's the reward for being the first to respond. From now on it'll be one at a time unless I have a really good five minutes somewhere down the line.

Or none at a time, as now.

hS

[Huinesoron]

#7: Look for the - bare necessities
The simple bare necessities
And cleave ol' ORCOBAL right to his teeth!
I mean the - bare necessities
Those Gondolindrim recipies
For slaying any Orcs who give you grief!

hS

[Urwen]

:D

1. An article, a broken container, a delay, and a preposition come together for him.
LORGAN: A direction precedes a musical instrument for him.
3. Headless argot and a preposition form him.
4. A preposition, a verb, and two directions form them.
5. A holiday and headless throws form them.
6. They're ghosts of unlight.
ORCOBAL: Reversed chromium is within a confused Disney bear. There he is.
FANKIL: An admirer. A murderer, cut in half? That's him.
9. A bilabial nasal, a vowel and a Vala make him up.
10. A heated metal stick is warped. He is revealed.
RING-MAKER: He is a band creator.
12. An insect, a verb and a note spin in circles for him.
13. Centers are muddled and vowel-less. They appear.
14. Twisted sword handle meets little mother; a robot with two directions moves in circles; there they are.
CARCHAROTH: A medieval vehicle, a modern vehicle, to stop, are in a muddle for him.

You may think it's easy now, but just you wait. Just you wait.

[Pervinca Took]

Urwen, I have tried the others and couldn't solve them. I guessed Sauron/Celebrimbor, then deleted my post because Huey had answered correctly 2 minutes earlier. I don't know why his previous posts weren't showing when I posted that.

Can't get 9 without scrambling. Am I right?