Password

[Urwen]

Are some of those races?

[Urwen]

For 14, Miner+Dune?


Oh wait, Dune + Dain (Ironfoot) = Dunedain.

[Huinesoron]

15. A potato is a spud, and if we change dental D to plosive B, and mash it (:rolleyes:), we can get PUBS.

And sticking with the pub theme... #5: Wetherspoons is a very generic pub chain. If we remove the letters for 'others', we get 'wepons'... add that final article for WEAPONS.

And for 22 (which I had to try, given ions)... disadvantages, declare, by, charged atoms = CONS + TELL + AT + IONS = CONSTELLATIONS which are very shiny.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. Games and a Surrey town lose direction for them.
2. One may mither a ewe’s consort, (slowly at first), to see them.
3. They sound like the transgressions of a Shakespearean thief.
SHIPS: They pass in the night.
WEAPONS: For these warlike things, a generic British pub gains an article, but loses others.
ORCS: A murder of them disperses and loses direction. But the end result is still pretty murderous!
7. Concerning charity, they stand clear.
8. A good war vest reveals them.
9. They type backwards, swallowing a very Welsh beginning.
HOBBITS: They are parts for a cooker top.
11. For these flowers, a weaver loses an article and is conflicted between two ways.
12. Delve safely to find them. Go on!
AINUR: Rian, you hear, was conflicted about them.
DUNEDAIN: For them, see the dwarf of the sand mountain appear.
PUBS: Mashed potato turns dental to plosive for these.
16. Tear around before embracing truth for them.
17. Ancient fortress returns for refreshment.
18. Here is a kingdom in disarray, with endless damnation.
19. Reset (twice) and see them.
WIZARDS: Hospital rooms swallow endless zip for them.
21. Confused but giving person sings backwards for them.
CONSTELLATIONS: Disadvantages declare, by charged atoms, their shining name.

Well done. ;)

I still think 8 and 12 are easy ones. ;)

[Urwen]

My guess for 14 isn't correct?

[Urwen]

Does that password have something to do with the Password thread reaching 200 pages? :D:p;)

[Huinesoron]

11. If we take the A from Vaire, scramble her up and stick her between East and Down, we get 'Everid', which is very nearly EVERMIND.

hS

[Huinesoron]

#12: ... -_- dELVE Safely, huh?

And oh look, #8:

a gooD WAR VESt.

hS

[Huinesoron]

Does that password have something to do with the Password thread reaching 200 pages? :D:p;)

So, something like...

PASSWORD·THREAD·PASS·TWO·C?

hS

[Urwen]

Except the password has 22 lettters, and your phrase has 21.

[Pervinca Took]

1. Games and a Surrey town lose direction for them.
2. One may mither a ewe’s consort, (slowly at first), to see them.
3. They sound like the transgressions of a Shakespearean thief.
SHIPS: They pass in the night.
WEAPONS: For these warlike things, a generic British pub gains an article, but loses others.
ORCS: A murder of them disperses and loses direction. But the end result is still pretty murderous!
7. Concerning charity, they stand clear.
DWARVES: A good war vest reveals them.
9. They type backwards, swallowing a very Welsh beginning.
HOBBITS: They are parts for a cooker top.
11. For these flowers, a weaver loses an article and is conflicted between two ways.
ELVES: Delve safely to find them. Go on!
AINUR: Rian, you hear, was conflicted about them.
DUNEDAIN: For them, see the dwarf of the sand mountain appear.
PUBS: Mashed potato turns dental to plosive for these.
16. Tear around before embracing truth for them.
17. Ancient fortress returns for refreshment.
18. Here is a kingdom in disarray, with endless damnation.
19. Reset (twice) and see them.
WIZARDS: Hospital rooms swallow endless zip for them.
21. Confused but giving person sings backwards for them.
CONSTELLATIONS: Disadvantages declare, by charged atoms, their shining name.

THEME: A CELEBRATION OF 200 PAGES OF THE PASSWORD THREAD.

Very, very close, Huinesoron.

[Urwen]

Maybe 'Password thread pass tw? cc?

[Pervinca Took]

No.

[Urwen]

I am confused. Huinesoron's idea works, but it's still incorrect, and nothing else seems to fit.

[Morsul the Dark]

Password thread past pw cc

[Pervinca Took]

There's something very obvious that no-one has said yet.

[Urwen]

Password thread past pc cc

pc=page count
cc=200 in roman numerals.

[Urwen]

or alternatively Password thread pn cc, where pn is page number and cc is 200.

[Morsul the Dark]

The w is throwing a wrench in it.

However pc or pn both work is the phrase is

Password thread pc now cc

[Morsul the Dark]

2. Anagrams
Nag a ram

[Pervinca Took]

1. Games and a Surrey town lose direction for them.
ANAGRAMS: One may mither a ewe’s consort, (slowly at first), to see them.
3. They sound like the transgressions of a Shakespearean thief.
SHIPS: They pass in the night.
WEAPONS: For these warlike things, a generic British pub gains an article, but loses others.
ORCS: A murder of them disperses and loses direction. But the end result is still pretty murderous!
7. Concerning charity, they stand clear.
DWARVES: A good war vest reveals them.
9. They type backwards, swallowing a very Welsh beginning.
HOBBITS: They are parts for a cooker top.
11. For these flowers, a weaver loses an article and is conflicted between two ways.
ELVES: Delve safely to find them. Go on!
AINUR: Rian, you hear, was conflicted about them.
DUNEDAIN: For them, see the dwarf of the sand mountain appear.
PUBS: Mashed potato turns dental to plosive for these.
16. Tear around before embracing truth for them.
17. Ancient fortress returns for refreshment.
18. Here is a kingdom in disarray, with endless damnation.
19. Reset (twice) and see them.
WIZARDS: Hospital rooms swallow endless zip for them.
21. Confused but giving person sings backwards for them.
CONSTELLATIONS: Disadvantages declare, by charged atoms, their shining name.

THEME: A CELEBRATION OF 200 PAGES OF THE PASSWORD THREAD.

A (ONE) + NAG + RAM + S(LOWLY).

[Morsul the Dark]

Pervinca you’re too smart for me,:D

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_places_in_Surrey

I’m doing silly pop culture references you’re doing smart clues like a town in Surrey. My brain 2 dum 4 dat

[Urwen]

Wait. Shamelessly piggybacking on Morsul's reasonings, how about 'Password thread is now cc' for the password?

[Pervinca Took]

Wait. Shamelessly piggybacking on Morsul's reasonings, how about 'Password thread is now cc' for the password?

No. Huinesoron was closest, with his first guess.

Why not try guessing those final clues?

[Urwen]

Hints for those final clues pls?

[Huinesoron]

No. Huinesoron was closest, with his first guess.

Why not try guessing those final clues?

I intend to take a stab at it (though with nearly half of them unguessed, I don't think 'final' is fair), but first...

PASSWORD·THREAD·PAST·TWO·C?

hS

[Pervinca Took]

No.

They are all things we use as answers in passwords, except for one that is another thing we use to make them, like anagrams.

Think of all the things that have names, and that we use as answers.

[Urwen]

Elves, Dwarves, Maiar, Ainur, Istari, Orcs, horses, Men, Avari, Noldor, Giants.


Maybe 16 is giants (snag+it)

[Huinesoron]

#3 is surely SYNONYMS, which sounds like "sin o'[nyms]". I assume the missing word is a Shakespearean character, but I can't place it.

#7 I think starts with RE (as in 'concerning'), but can't come up with a charity word to follow it.

#9, the Welsh beginning could be LL or even LLAN, but what could go around it?

Aaaand can I try:

PASSWORD·THREAD·PAGE·TWO·C?

hS

[Huinesoron]

What I take to be the straight clues suggest that 11 ('these flowers') and 17 ('for refreshment') should be the easiest, but what could they be?

#11: ... oh wait, flowers, this one catches me every time. RIVERS = Right + VaIRE + South.

As for 'refreshment', I'm still no further.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

P: Games and a Surrey town lose direction for them.
ANAGRAMS: One may mither a ewe’s consort, (slowly at first), to see them.
SYNONYMS: They sound like the transgressions of a Shakespearean thief.
SHIPS: They pass in the night.
WEAPONS: For these warlike things, a generic British pub gains an article, but loses others.
ORCS: A murder of them disperses and loses direction. But the end result is still pretty murderous!
R: Concerning charity, they stand clear.
DWARVES: A good war vest reveals them.

T: They type backwards, swallowing a very Welsh beginning.
HOBBITS: They are parts for a cooker top.
RIVERS: For these flowers, a weaver loses an article and is conflicted between two ways.
ELVES: Delve safely to find them. Go on!
AINUR: Rian, you hear, was conflicted about them.
DUNEDAIN: For them, see the dwarf of the sand mountain appear.

PUBS: Mashed potato turns dental to plosive for these.
A: Tear around before embracing truth for them.
G: Ancient fortress returns for refreshment.
E: Here is a kingdom in disarray, with endless damnation.

T: Reset (twice) and see them.
WIZARDS: Hospital rooms swallow endless zip for them.
O: Confused but giving person sings backwards for them.

CONSTELLATIONS: Disadvantages declare, by charged atoms, their shining name.

THEME: A CELEBRATION OF 200 PAGES OF THE PASSWORD THREAD.

Sin o' Nym's.

(Nym is a thief who appears in (I think both) Henry IV plays and in Henry V (he dies at Agincourt, I think - offstage, but given that his mate Bardolph was hanged for robbing a church, he possibly spent most of the battle thieving from corpses - the Branagh film gives this interpretation, anyway).

The name 'Nym' is derived from an Old English verb which is cognate with modern German 'nehmen' (to take), kind of indicating that he takes/half-inches things. He is friends with Falstaff, Pistol (the only one to survive to the end of Henry V) and Bardolph.

LL is the Welsh element you want.

RE is indeed the 'concerning' element.

What's a slang word for refreshment?

[Pervinca Took]

Pervinca you’re too smart for me,:D

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_places_in_Surrey

I’m doing silly pop culture references you’re doing smart clues like a town in Surrey. My brain 2 dum 4 dat

It's one of the towns marked on that map. But I wasn't being smart. I once lived in a small town/much enlarged village (England is full of these) very close to it. We did a lot of shopping there and it's where my brother's school was.

[Huinesoron]

O: a giving person is a donor, a note that can be sung is mi. Confuse the former, reverse the latter, and we get ONODRIM.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

P: Games and a Surrey town lose direction for them.
ANAGRAMS: One may mither a ewe’s consort, (slowly at first), to see them.
SYNONYMS: They sound like the transgressions of a Shakespearean thief.
SHIPS: They pass in the night.
WEAPONS: For these warlike things, a generic British pub gains an article, but loses others.
ORCS: A murder of them disperses and loses direction. But the end result is still pretty murderous!
R: Concerning charity, they stand clear.
DWARVES: A good war vest reveals them.

T: They type backwards, swallowing a very Welsh beginning.
HOBBITS: They are parts for a cooker top.
RIVERS: For these flowers, a weaver loses an article and is conflicted between two ways.
ELVES: Delve safely to find them. Go on!
AINUR: Rian, you hear, was conflicted about them.
DUNEDAIN: For them, see the dwarf of the sand mountain appear.

PUBS: Mashed potato turns dental to plosive for these.
A: Tear around before embracing truth for them.
G: Ancient fortress returns for refreshment.
E: Here is a kingdom in disarray, with endless damnation.

T: Reset (twice) and see them.
WIZARDS: Hospital rooms swallow endless zip for them.
ONODRIM: Confused but giving person sings backwards for them.

CONSTELLATIONS: Disadvantages declare, by charged atoms, their shining name.

THEME: A CELEBRATION OF 200 PAGES OF THE PASSWORD THREAD.

[Galadriel55]

T: TROLLS = sort (type) + LL


For the other T I can't help thinking that you have to scramble "twice", but neither that nor its synonyms are working.

[Galadriel55]

Oh. *facepalm*

R = REALMS: re + alms.

I had both elements but for some reason couldn't put them together.


Also, by the way - however you got "weapons" from "Wetherspoons" is very impressive.

[Pervinca Took]

T: TROLLS = sort (type) + LL


For the other T I can't help thinking that you have to scramble "twice", but neither that nor its synonyms are working.

It means that you have to 'reset' twice. ;) 'Twice' here actually means 'in two different ways.' I know the word 'twice' doesn't mean that, but I think the sense of the clue still works.

Yes, I was being crafty with the other meaning of 'type.' :D

It was Wetherspoons + a - others.

[Pervinca Took]

P: Games and a Surrey town lose direction for them.
ANAGRAMS: One may mither a ewe’s consort, (slowly at first), to see them.
SYNONYMS: They sound like the transgressions of a Shakespearean thief.
SHIPS: They pass in the night.
WEAPONS: For these warlike things, a generic British pub gains an article, but loses others.
ORCS: A murder of them disperses and loses direction. But the end result is still pretty murderous!
REALMS: Concerning charity, they stand clear.
DWARVES: A good war vest reveals them.

TROLLS: They type backwards, swallowing a very Welsh beginning.
HOBBITS: They are parts for a cooker top.
RIVERS: For these flowers, a weaver loses an article and is conflicted between two ways.
ELVES: Delve safely to find them. Go on!
AINUR: Rian, you hear, was conflicted about them.
DUNEDAIN: For them, see the dwarf of the sand mountain appear.

PUBS: Mashed potato turns dental to plosive for these.
A: Tear around before embracing truth for them.
G: Ancient fortress returns for refreshment.
E: Here is a kingdom in disarray, with endless damnation.

T: Reset (twice) and see them.
WIZARDS: Hospital rooms swallow endless zip for them.
ONODRIM: Confused but giving person sings backwards for them.

CONSTELLATIONS: Disadvantages declare, by charged atoms, their shining name.

THEME: A CELEBRATION OF 200 PAGES OF THE PASSWORD THREAD.

I wanted to have STARS rather than constellations, (because we've made more clues about individual stars), but I really wanted SYNONYMS and SHIPS in it, so I settled for constellations.

I wanted TAVERNS, but settled for pubs so we could have TROLLS (Bill, Bert and their mate) and ... the other one.

And I originally had WARGS, but then I thought of passwords about SWORD names etc, and I had chosen SWORDS, but then realised I wanted SHIPS (Morsul had just done boats, and I believe Huinesoron once did ships too) as well as SYNONYMS. So SWORDS became WEAPONS.

I couldn't honour every category, but I tried to choose ones of which we have used lots of named examples.

[Huinesoron]

I think this is a brilliant password, and a fantastic tribute to a thread that is now old enough to drink (under certain circumstances).

I've finally figured out G: a Burg is a fortress, and a refreshment is GRUB.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

P: Games and a Surrey town lose direction for them.
ANAGRAMS: One may mither a ewe’s consort, (slowly at first), to see them.
SYNONYMS: They sound like the transgressions of a Shakespearean thief.
SHIPS: They pass in the night.
WEAPONS: For these warlike things, a generic British pub gains an article, but loses others.
ORCS: A murder of them disperses and loses direction. But the end result is still pretty murderous!
REALMS: Concerning charity, they stand clear.
DWARVES: A good war vest reveals them.

TROLLS: They type backwards, swallowing a very Welsh beginning.
HOBBITS: They are parts for a cooker top.
RIVERS: For these flowers, a weaver loses an article and is conflicted between two ways.
ELVES: Delve safely to find them. Go on!
AINUR: Rian, you hear, was conflicted about them.
DUNEDAIN: For them, see the dwarf of the sand mountain appear.

PUBS: Mashed potato turns dental to plosive for these.
A: Tear around before embracing truth for them.
GRUB: Ancient fortress returns for refreshment.
E: Here is a kingdom in disarray, with endless damnation.

T: Reset (twice) and see them.
WIZARDS: Hospital rooms swallow endless zip for them.
ONODRIM: Confused but giving person sings backwards for them.

CONSTELLATIONS: Disadvantages declare, by charged atoms, their shining name.

THEME: A CELEBRATION OF 200 PAGES OF THE PASSWORD THREAD.

Grub indeed! (I did food passwords, but I think Morsul did one first).

Glad you like the password, Hs. :)

[Urwen]

Is the P clue Palantiri?

[Pervinca Took]

P: Games and a Surrey town lose direction for them.
ANAGRAMS: One may mither a ewe’s consort, (slowly at first), to see them.
SYNONYMS: They sound like the transgressions of a Shakespearean thief.
SHIPS: They pass in the night.
WEAPONS: For these warlike things, a generic British pub gains an article, but loses others.
ORCS: A murder of them disperses and loses direction. But the end result is still pretty murderous!
REALMS: Concerning charity, they stand clear.
DWARVES: A good war vest reveals them.

TROLLS: They type backwards, swallowing a very Welsh beginning.
HOBBITS: They are parts for a cooker top.
RIVERS: For these flowers, a weaver loses an article and is conflicted between two ways.
ELVES: Delve safely to find them. Go on!
AINUR: Rian, you hear, was conflicted about them.
DUNEDAIN: For them, see the dwarf of the sand mountain appear.

PUBS: Mashed potato turns dental to plosive for these.
A: Tear around before embracing truth for them.
GRUB: Ancient fortress returns for refreshment.
E: Here is a kingdom in disarray, with endless damnation.

T: Reset (twice) and see them.
WIZARDS: Hospital rooms swallow endless zip for them.
ONODRIM: Confused but giving person sings backwards for them.

CONSTELLATIONS: Disadvantages declare, by charged atoms, their shining name.

THEME: A CELEBRATION OF 200 PAGES OF THE PASSWORD THREAD.

I did have Palantiri and Rings in it at one point, but not now.

Look at the Surrey names in the link that Morsul posted.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_places_in_Surrey

[Huinesoron]

P: The most likely Surrey places from the map to be usable in a password look to be Woking and Dorking, and possibly Horley. Epsom is also a possibility.

'A' could be:
-A synonym for 'tear' split around a synonym for 'before' around a synonym for 'truth'.
-A synonym for 'tear' reversed, followed by a synonym for 'embracing truth'.
-Some combination of the above.

The fact that 'tear' and 'before' both have lots of meanings makes this even harder. ;)

E: I really want this to end with 'hel', but that just throws up a lot of Eithel relatives, which isn't much help. I assume the start is either a synonym for or name of a kingdom, scrambled.

T: Two synonyms for 'reset', one of which starts with a T. Seems simple enough! Except I can't come up with anything. ^_^

I'm going to put two questions here; whether and how you answer them, Pervinca, is of course up to you.

1. Are there any straight clues left other than 'them' and 'here'?
2. Are any of the answers Tolkien-specific words, or are they English nouns?

hS

[Pervinca Took]

T are something Tolkien loved. Several of them, in his books, have names. You only need one anagram. That's where you're going wrong! It's an anagram, not a synonym. One of the resets ('twice') is an ORDER to reset.

Basically, you need to reset 'reset!'

A was a way of covering rings, Silmarils, Palantiri and jewels/jewellery of any kind, and more besides.

[Huinesoron]

T are something Tolkien loved. Several of them, in his books, have names.

And if I reset (like movable type) 'reset', I get TREES.

A was a way of covering rings, Silmarils, Palantiri and jewels/jewellery of any kind, and more besides.

Tear, spun around a bit + 'truth' = ARTE-FACTS. I guess 'embracing' meant to push them together?

hS

[Pervinca Took]

P: Games and a Surrey town lose direction for them.
ANAGRAMS: One may mither a ewe’s consort, (slowly at first), to see them.
SYNONYMS: They sound like the transgressions of a Shakespearean thief.
SHIPS: They pass in the night.
WEAPONS: For these warlike things, a generic British pub gains an article, but loses others.
ORCS: A murder of them disperses and loses direction. But the end result is still pretty murderous!
REALMS: Concerning charity, they stand clear.
DWARVES: A good war vest reveals them.

TROLLS: They type backwards, swallowing a very Welsh beginning.
HOBBITS: They are parts for a cooker top.
RIVERS: For these flowers, a weaver loses an article and is conflicted between two ways.
ELVES: Delve safely to find them. Go on!
AINUR: Rian, you hear, was conflicted about them.
DUNEDAIN: For them, see the dwarf of the sand mountain appear.

PUBS: Mashed potato turns dental to plosive for these.
ARTEFACTS: Tear around before embracing truth for them.
GRUB: Ancient fortress returns for refreshment.
E: Here is a kingdom in disarray, with endless damnation.

TREES: Reset (twice) and see them.
WIZARDS: Hospital rooms swallow endless zip for them.
ONODRIM: Confused but giving person sings backwards for them.

CONSTELLATIONS: Disadvantages declare, by charged atoms, their shining name.

THEME: A CELEBRATION OF 200 PAGES OF THE PASSWORD THREAD.

Indeed!

Two to go! And both are specifically Tolkien words/names.

[Morsul the Dark]

Here in disarray added to da for endless damnation

Sort of kind of gives Eldar er from here and yeah, da from damnation and the L? Just added for the L of it badumch

[Pervinca Took]

Surprisingly close, but 'here' is the straight part of the clue.

[Urwen]

Nothing is coming to me.

[Urwen]

Wait, is the p clue puzzles?

[Pervinca Took]

Wait, is the p clue puzzles?

Nice idea! But no.

Start with a synonym for GAMES, then use one of the Surrey towns. Not one that Huinesoron chose in his last post, though.

[Urwen]

Romp?

[Pervinca Took]

The GAMES synonym is an abbreviation.

[Urwen]

OG for Olympic Games?

[Pervinca Took]

No.

What did we call Games at school?

[Urwen]

I dunno.

[Huinesoron]

No.

What did we call Games at school?

I dunno.

I suspect Pervinca is thinking of P.E. (short for Physical Education, a lesson sometimes - particularly in secondary school - referred to as Games), but I still can't conjure an answer from that.

'Lose direction' could mean either an anagram, or dropping one of the direction letters from the Surrey town. The latter has been a complete dead-end for me so far, though.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

It starts PE (short for Physical Education, as Huinesoron said).

All you do is add one of those Surrey towns on to PE, and then remove a directional letter. You don't have to mix anything up.

Not Dorking, Woking, Epsom or Horley (none of which make anything Tolkienian that I can see, added to PE or not). One of the others.

[Urwen]

Periannath?

[Pervinca Took]

Where's the Surrey town in that?

[Huinesoron]

After writing literally all of them out and staring blankly at them for several minutes:

PEREDHIL(L).

hS

[Pervinca Took]

PEREDHIL: Games and a Surrey town lose direction for them.
ANAGRAMS: One may mither a ewe’s consort, (slowly at first), to see them.
SYNONYMS: They sound like the transgressions of a Shakespearean thief.
SHIPS: They pass in the night.
WEAPONS: For these warlike things, a generic British pub gains an article, but loses others.
ORCS: A murder of them disperses and loses direction. But the end result is still pretty murderous!
REALMS: Concerning charity, they stand clear.
DWARVES: A good war vest reveals them.

TROLLS: They type backwards, swallowing a very Welsh beginning.
HOBBITS: They are parts for a cooker top.
RIVERS: For these flowers, a weaver loses an article and is conflicted between two ways.
ELVES: Delve safely to find them. Go on!
AINUR: Rian, you hear, was conflicted about them.
DUNEDAIN: For them, see the dwarf of the sand mountain appear.

PUBS: Mashed potato turns dental to plosive for these.
ARTEFACTS: Tear around before embracing truth for them.
GRUB: Ancient fortress returns for refreshment.
E: Here is a kingdom in disarray, with endless damnation.

TREES: Reset (twice) and see them.
WIZARDS: Hospital rooms swallow endless zip for them.
ONODRIM: Confused but giving person sings backwards for them.

CONSTELLATIONS: Disadvantages declare, by charged atoms, their shining name.

THEME: A CELEBRATION OF 200 PAGES OF THE PASSWORD THREAD.

That's more like it.

One to go!

[Huinesoron]

E: Here is a kingdom in disarray, with endless damnation.

Okay. So 'here' is the straight clue; could it mean literally here?

EARTH begins with E, and things from Earth are used in passwords from time to time. But while H is the beginning of 'Hell', I can't make 'eart' an anagram of any kingdom.

The Barrow-Downs are in ERIADOR, which... nearly contains 'Dorado', as in El Dorado? I dunno.

Okay, so probably not here-here. What other places start with E? Um... actually quite a lot of places (http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/placland.html). ENDOR seems the most promising for the theme, but once again I can't fit it to the clue at all.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Find a synonym for KINGDOM and scramble it.

...

There is already one in the collection of guessed clues, albeit pluralised.

[Huinesoron]

Find a synonym for KINGDOM and scramble it.

But anagrams are haaaaaaaard. :(

There is already one in the collection of guessed clues, albeit pluralised.

... well, you can almost get EMERALD from Realm + D, but I don't think the Emerald City is particularly close to Tirion, jewelled theming notwithstanding.

ELDAMAR, from REALM + DA(mnation)?

hS

[Morsul the Dark]

Eldamar sounds right Pervinca did say Eldar was surprisingly close

[Pervinca Took]

PEREDHIL: Games and a Surrey town lose direction for them.
ANAGRAMS: One may mither a ewe’s consort, (slowly at first), to see them.
SYNONYMS: They sound like the transgressions of a Shakespearean thief.
SHIPS: They pass in the night.
WEAPONS: For these warlike things, a generic British pub gains an article, but loses others.
ORCS: A murder of them disperses and loses direction. But the end result is still pretty murderous!
REALMS: Concerning charity, they stand clear.
DWARVES: A good war vest reveals them.

TROLLS: They type backwards, swallowing a very Welsh beginning.
HOBBITS: They are parts for a cooker top.
RIVERS: For these flowers, a weaver loses an article and is conflicted between two ways.
ELVES: Delve safely to find them. Go on!
AINUR: Rian, you hear, was conflicted about them.
DUNEDAIN: For them, see the dwarf of the sand mountain appear.

PUBS: Mashed potato turns dental to plosive for these.
ARTEFACTS: Tear around before embracing truth for them.
GRUB: Ancient fortress returns for refreshment.
ELDAMAR: Here is a kingdom in disarray, with endless damnation.

TREES: Reset (twice) and see them.
WIZARDS: Hospital rooms swallow endless zip for them.
ONODRIM: Confused but giving person sings backwards for them.

CONSTELLATIONS: Disadvantages declare, by charged atoms, their shining name.

THEME: A CELEBRATION OF 200 PAGES OF THE PASSWORD THREAD.

Correct. All done!

And over to Huinesoron!

P.S. Now wishing I'd made H horses (as there is no fauna covered, except for the human/speaking kind) and made the first P Pheriannath, as per one of Urwen's guesses. But I guess Peredhil covers the Half-Elven, which none of the other categories (singly) do.

[Huinesoron]

That was an excellent password, Pervinca! Unfortunately the idea I had for the next one hasn't panned out (or rather, I'm too stressed to come up with clues for any of the words in it); I'll try and come up with another one.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

No worries - take your time.

[Huinesoron]

Yeah, that was a pretty hectic weekend, but I finally have something for you.

1. - A dull pub between the rivers.
2. - I say: Oh sir! I hand this damp place (to you).
3. - An area, with trees.
4. - A little later, the shortened line of Italian nobles stands on the shore.
5. - By a slightly longer name, would still smell as sweet, and probably of holly.
6. - Big, purple, fancy glove - no, sorry, I misread, it's just a river.
7. - A cry of greeting over most of a thousand kilos of rabbits, just outside the door.
8. - You send, formally and pretty much, Latin cautions underground.
9. - A division without us? Normally after a short monster where the capital stands.
10. - Attila in bad French runs towards a haven.
11. - I am aged, I am off to bed, I am just west of here.
12. - In anger and the voice of the laws of Hell, name me a second time after the battle.
13. - Hell, Mike reversed into a pit and found the leader a step in.
14. - He stole ads? You'd never hear it once in the camp.
15. - A scrambled article, a stick, and a singular lens got turned around in the woods.

This may be of relevance (https://i.imgur.com/3XS8EYH.png).

hS

[Urwen]

2 sounds like Sirion.

[Pervinca Took]

1. Well, a FORSAKEN INN might be a bit dull.

P.S. Hope your week is more relaxing!

[Huinesoron]

2 sounds like Sirion.

Nope, but you're thinking with the right techniques.

1. Well, a FORSAKEN INN might be a bit dull.

Even duller than that, I'm afraid. Dull to the point of imbecility.

P.S. Hope your week is more relaxing!

Pfft - as if.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Nope, but you're thinking with the right techniques.



Even duller than that, I'm afraid. Dull to the point of imbecility.



Pfft - as if.

hS

I can understand Maglor being weary and raddled after all this time, but he'd be very hurt to hear your appraisal of his pub karaoke sessions.

[Pervinca Took]

Is Deadman's Dyke between two rivers, and did you just think it sounded like a pub name?

[Huinesoron]

I can understand Maglor being weary and raddled after all this time, but he'd be very hurt to hear your appraisal of his pub karaoke sessions.

"And today we have Maglor Feanorion on the harp, Tinfang of Gelion on the pipes, and Daeron of Doriath on the... what's an 'air gitar'?"

Is Deadman's Dyke betwern two rivers, and did you just think it sounded like a pub name?

O.o Um, no.

I mean, it totally does though. I'd have a drink there. (I wouldn't, but I would, if you know what I mean.)

(I don't know what I mean, so good luck!)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

5. Rosie?

Rose, from the balcony scene in R and J, and the end of holly?

[Huinesoron]

5. Rosie?

Rose, from the balcony scene in R and J, and the end of holly?

You're right with the Rose connection, but not with Rosie. There is a straight clue here as well (well... pretty much), and in all the clues for that matter.

hS

[Mithalwen]

10 Lhun Attila is generally known as Attila the Hun which could be rendered into French as l’hun. Lhun was the river that ran out to sea and The Grey Havens was near its mouth.

5 I can’t get beyond Eregion which I think literally means “of holly”.

[Pervinca Took]

10 Lhun Attila is generally known as Attila the Hun which could be rendered into French as l’hun. Lhun was the river that ran out to sea and The Grey Havens was near its mouth.

5 I can’t get beyond Eregion which I think literally means “of holly”.

Mith referring to Eregion has given me the idea that the 'area with trees' one is REGION.

[Pervinca Took]

14. Estolad?

2. Ossiriand?

Both guesses are because they sound like the phrases you used in the clues.

Region (last page) guessed because a region is an area.

[Huinesoron]

10 Lhun Attila is generally known as Attila the Hun which could be rendered into French as l’hun. Lhun was the river that ran out to sea and The Grey Havens was near its mouth.

Mith referring to Eregion has given me the idea that the 'area with trees' one is REGION.

14. Estolad?

2. Ossiriand?

Both guesses are because they sound like the phrases you used in the clues.

Region (last page) guessed because a region is an area.

Yes, yes, yes, and yes! And all for the right reasons too. :D

1. - A dull pub between the rivers.
OSSIRIAND - I say: Oh sir! I hand this damp place (to you).
REGION - An area, with trees.
4. - A little later, the shortened line of Italian nobles stands on the shore.
5. - By a slightly longer name, would still smell as sweet, and probably of holly.
6. - Big, purple, fancy glove - no, sorry, I misread, it's just a river.
7. - A cry of greeting over most of a thousand kilos of rabbits, just outside the door.
8. - You send, formally and pretty much, Latin cautions underground.
9. - A division without us? Normally after a short monster where the capital stands.
LHUN - Attila in bad French runs towards a haven.
11. - I am aged, I am off to bed, I am just west of here.
12. - In anger and the voice of the laws of Hell, name me a second time after the battle.
13. - Hell, Mike reversed into a pit and found the leader a step in.
ESTOLAD - He stole ads? You'd never hear it once in the camp.
15. - A scrambled article, a stick, and a singular lens got turned around in the woods.

hS

[Galadriel55]

15 almost makes ELROND (rod + len) but there's no article. Is there such a place as Noreland?

[Pervinca Took]

I think the scrambled article is EGG.

EGLAROND? I don't get the LENS bit, though.

[Pervinca Took]

Got it! It's NELDORETH.

LEN + ROD + THE.

[Pervinca Took]

10 Lhun Attila is generally known as Attila the Hun which could be rendered into French as l’hun. Lhun was the river that ran out to sea and The Grey Havens was near its mouth.

5 I can’t get beyond Eregion which I think literally means “of holly”.

Is 5 Eregion, as per Mithalwen's guess?

[Mithalwen]

8 should be caves - Latin cautions as in cave canem but can’t think of any that fit the rest of the clue.

[Galadriel55]

Got it! It's NELDORETH.

LEN + ROD + THE.

Aha! Nice work. :)

8 should be caves - Latin cautions as in cave canem but can’t think of any that fit the rest of the clue.

If you're right about caves I believe I might be able to supply the rest. Thou, the formal (or informal, depending on your time period) you, and pretty much send, gives you THOUSAND CAVES.

[Pervinca Took]

9. Osgiliath?

Alerted to this by the word 'capital,' but it has most of Goliath in it, (or all, with a little scrambling).

[Mithalwen]

Aha! Nice work. :)



If you're right about caves I believe I might be able to supply the rest. Thou, the formal (or informal, depending on your time period) you, and pretty much send, gives you THOUSAND CAVES.

Clever cub. I was trying Eovish names and anagrams and getting nowhere. :D

[Urwen]

Password guess: Northern lakes?

[Pervinca Took]

Or maybe Forests of Lorien?

(One too many letters for Lakes).

And I think 15 has to be Neldoreth.

...

11. OLD FOREST.

OLD ... FOR REST (off to bed).

[Pervinca Took]

12. RATHLORIEL.

Second name of Ascar.

(W)RATH plus 'law o' 'el.'

[Huinesoron]

Yikes, I go away for one day...! Let's see then:

15 almost makes ELROND (rod + len) but there's no article. Is there such a place as Noreland?

Apparently Norelands is an Irish horse breeder. So that's a no.

Got it! It's NELDORETH.

LEN + ROD + THE.

Yep! All reversed, except 'the' needs to be mixed up as well (unless you write it in Tengwar, which treats 'th' as a single character).

Is 5 Eregion, as per Mithalwen's guess?

It is not; sorry, I got this crossed with Region for #3.

8 should be caves - Latin cautions as in cave canem but can’t think of any that fit the rest of the clue.

If you're right about caves I believe I might be able to supply the rest. Thou, the formal (or informal, depending on your time period) you, and pretty much send, gives you THOUSAND CAVES.

You got it between you!

9. Osgiliath?

Alerted to this by the word 'capital,' but it has most of Goliath in it, (or all, with a little scrambling).

Nope. 'Capital' is the straight clue though.

Password guess: Northern lakes?

Or maybe Forests of Lorien?

(One too many letters for Lakes).

Neither of these is correct, though one of them is partly so.


11. OLD FOREST.

OLD ... FOR REST (off to bed).

^_^ Sorry, I can't resist a 'here = Barrow-Downs' joke.

12. RATHLORIEL.

Second name of Ascar.

(W)RATH plus 'law o' 'el.'

Spot on (renamed after the Battle of Sarn Athrad). Which brings us to...

1. - A dull pub between the rivers.
OSSIRIAND - I say: Oh sir! I hand this damp place (to you).
REGION - An area, with trees.
4. - A little later, the shortened line of Italian nobles stands on the shore.
5. - By a slightly longer name, would still smell as sweet, and probably of holly.
6. - Big, purple, fancy glove - no, sorry, I misread, it's just a river.
7. - A cry of greeting over most of a thousand kilos of rabbits, just outside the door.
THOUSAND CAVES - You send, formally and pretty much, Latin cautions underground.
9. - A division without us? Normally after a short monster where the capital stands.
LHUN - Attila in bad French runs towards a haven.
OLD FOREST - I am aged, I am off to bed, I am just west of here.
RATHLORIEL - In anger and the voice of the laws of Hell, name me a second time after the battle.
13. - Hell, Mike reversed into a pit and found the leader a step in.
ESTOLAD - He stole ads? You'd never hear it once in the camp.
NELDORETH - A scrambled article, a stick, and a singular lens got turned around in the woods.

Two of the remaining clues use (and state that they use) the second letter of the answer. Other than that, they're all initials.

hS

[Urwen]

North to Lorien?

[Huinesoron]

North to Lorien?

That doesn't even fit with the length of the password. :p

hS

[Urwen]

Forests to Lorien?

[Huinesoron]

Forests to Lorien?

Nope.

hS

[Urwen]

Then what is it?! I've searched everything and am drawing a blank. I thought of Moria to Lothlorien and journey to Lorien, but none of those fit either.

[Urwen]

Border to Lorien, maybe?

[Pervinca Took]

Osgiliath was Gondor's original capital ... I *was* using 'capital' as the straight clue. ;)

Clearly not the right answer, though.

No other capitals seemed to work ... Caras Galadhon? Tirion? Is Avallone the capital of Tol Eressea?

Maybe it's the kind of capital that means money. Or great ('a capital fellow.')

[Huinesoron]

Then what is it?! I've searched everything and am drawing a blank. I thought of Moria to Lothlorien and journey to Lorien, but none of those fit either.

Oh, well, since you ask, the answer is--

-_-

Border to Lorien, maybe?

Nope.

Osgiliath was Gondor's original capital ... I *was* using 'capital' as the straight clue. ;)

I know you were; I was confirming that doing so was correct. :)

Clearly not the right answer, though.

No other capitals seemed to work ... Caras Galadhon? Tirion? Is Avallone the capital of Tol Eressea?

Maybe it's the kind of capital that means money. Or great ('a capital fellow.')

It's a capital as in capital... well, 'city' might be pushing it. Though the clue doesn't end with '... is the capital'.

hS

[Urwen]

Maybe some hints? :confused:

[Urwen]

Borgia are the first Italian nobles that come to mind....

[Huinesoron]

Maybe some hints? :confused:

I'm not going to give you hints for the password itself, and prior to this post the only clue someone had guessed anything for that I hadn't offered a hint in response was #5, which was just way off.

Borgia are the first Italian nobles that come to mind....

No specific Italians were harmed in the making of this clue. :D

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Ah, maybe the Italian word for dukes or earls, then. ;)

...

LINDON.

'A little later' means it's the 'I' (for igloo) that counts.

'LINE' shortened, plus DON.

And Lindon has a shoreline.

[Pervinca Took]

'Doriath to Lorien' for the password, perhaps?

[Huinesoron]

Ah, maybe the Italian word for dukes or earls, then. ;)

...

LINDON.

'A little later' means it's the 'I' that counts.

'LINE' shortened, plus DON.

And Lindon has a shoreline.

Perfect in every particular. :)

'Doriath to Lorien' for the password, perhaps?

And there it is. According to my map-matching, all of these places lie on the direct line from Menegroth to Caras Galadhon (extended out in both directions to the farthest borders of Doriath and Lorien, though I forget whether that's actually relevant).

D? -- A dull pub between the rivers.
OSSIRIAND - I say: Oh sir! I hand this damp place (to you).
REGION - An area, with trees.
LINDON - A little later, the shortened line of Italian nobles stands on the shore.
A? -- By a slightly longer name, would still smell as sweet, and probably of holly.
T? -- Big, purple, fancy glove - no, sorry, I misread, it's just a river.
H? -- A cry of greeting over most of a thousand kilos of rabbits, just outside the door.
THOUSAND CAVES - You send, formally and pretty much, Latin cautions underground.
O? -- A division without us? Normally after a short monster where the capital stands.
LHUN - Attila in bad French runs towards a haven.
OLD FOREST - I am aged, I am off to bed, I am just west of here.
RATHLORIEL - In anger and the voice of the laws of Hell, name me a second time after the battle.
I? -- Hell, Mike reversed into a pit and found the leader a step in.
ESTOLAD - He stole ads? You'd never hear it once in the camp.
NELDORETH - A scrambled article, a stick, and a singular lens got turned around in the woods.

Six clues to go.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. DIMBAR? If that's between two rivers.

DIM + BAR.

[Huinesoron]

1. DIMBAR? If that's between two rivers.

DIM + BAR.

It is (the Sirion and the Mindeb; it's the tongue of land between Neldoreth and Brethil, so falls 'inside' the borders of Lorien).

DIMBAR - A dull pub between the rivers.
OSSIRIAND - I say: Oh sir! I hand this damp place (to you).
REGION - An area, with trees.
LINDON - A little later, the shortened line of Italian nobles stands on the shore.
A? -- By a slightly longer name, would still smell as sweet, and probably of holly.
T? -- Big, purple, fancy glove - no, sorry, I misread, it's just a river.
H? -- A cry of greeting over most of a thousand kilos of rabbits, just outside the door.
THOUSAND CAVES - You send, formally and pretty much, Latin cautions underground.
O? -- A division without us? Normally after a short monster where the capital stands.
LHUN - Attila in bad French runs towards a haven.
OLD FOREST - I am aged, I am off to bed, I am just west of here.
RATHLORIEL - In anger and the voice of the laws of Hell, name me a second time after the battle.
I? -- Hell, Mike reversed into a pit and found the leader a step in.
ESTOLAD - He stole ads? You'd never hear it once in the camp.
NELDORETH - A scrambled article, a stick, and a singular lens got turned around in the woods.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Ah - I didn't see the smaller map in the corner (have only seen the link on my phone) so was originally expecting all Third Age answers.

You mean you can pinpoint exactly where Third Age places are on a First Age map, and vice versa?

[Pervinca Took]

Is A the long elvish name for ATHELAS (ASEA ARANION - aranion is a little bit like Eregion = Hollin) - or maybe ATHELAS itself?

[Mithalwen]

H might be Hobbiton Ho! Could be a greeting, A metric tonne I think is a thousand kilos and hobbits and rabbits are basically the same thing :Merisu:

[Pervinca Took]

I wonder if T is a river in the sense of 'riving' something in two or destroying it.

Because neither Teiglin/Taeglin, Thalos nor Thistle Brook seem to contain any of the cryptic elements of the clue.

Plus 'river' sounds a bit too easy. Not sure anyone has ever written it that straight in a clue ... usually if someone is indicating that the answer is a river, they will say flower / it flows / say it's damp / etc.

[Mithalwen]

That made me wonder about Tharbad where5he bridge was broken but 5hat doesn’t work either that I can tell.

[Pervinca Took]

TAEGLIN has 5 letters of GAUNTLET, but big and purple??

I suppose a mountain head could be big and purple, as in the famous hymn. (Remembers a Spitting Image sketch with puppets of the Rev Robert Runcie and Mary Whitehouse :o ).

[Mithalwen]

Are you thinking maybe of The Redhorn Pass then?

[Huinesoron]

Ah - I didn't see the smaller map in the corner (have only seen the link on my phone) so was originally expecting all Third Age answers.

You mean you can pinpoint exactly where Third Age places are on a First Age map, and vice versa?

Well, I like to think so! :) The key is this rather uglier map (https://i.imgur.com/NnXmPjT.png), which uses Section B of the First Lord of the Rings map (from HoME VII) to connect the two. That section is unique in including both Himring and Tol Fuin; with both of those plus the Blue Mountains, it's relatively simple to place Beleriand on the coast of Eriador. (As a nice bonus, and hint that the match is right, I found that the scale-grid on the Silmarillion map was precisely half the size of that on the First Map.)

Is A the long elvish name for ATHELAS (ASEA ARANION - aranion is a little bit like Eregion = Hollin) - or maybe ATHELAS itself?

It isn't. 'Rosie' was closer.

H might be Hobbiton Ho! Could be a greeting, A metric tonne I think is a thousand kilos and hobbits and rabbits are basically the same thing :Merisu:

Correct! Ho before (over) most of 'rabbit ton'. The fact that my line crossed right through Hobbiton was the point when I was sure I'd do this password.

I wonder if T is a river in the sense of 'riving' something in two or destroying it.

Because neither Teiglin/Taeglin, Thalos nor Thistle Brook seem to contain any of the cryptic elements of the clue.

Plus 'river' sounds a bit too easy. Not sure anyone has ever written it that straight in a clue ... usually if someone is indicating that the answer is a river, they will say flower / it flows / say it's damp / etc.

No, who would do something like that? <_< >_>

... actually, you got the answer in there. It is THALOS; now tell me why. ^_^

DIMBAR - A dull pub between the rivers.
OSSIRIAND - I say: Oh sir! I hand this damp place (to you).
REGION - An area, with trees.
LINDON - A little later, the shortened line of Italian nobles stands on the shore.
A? -- By a slightly longer name, would still smell as sweet, and probably of holly.
THALOS - Big, purple, fancy glove - no, sorry, I misread, it's just a river.
HOBBITON - A cry of greeting over most of a thousand kilos of rabbits, just outside the door.
THOUSAND CAVES - You send, formally and pretty much, Latin cautions underground.
O? -- A division without us? Normally after a short monster where the capital stands.
LHUN - Attila in bad French runs towards a haven.
OLD FOREST - I am aged, I am off to bed, I am just west of here.
RATHLORIEL - In anger and the voice of the laws of Hell, name me a second time after the battle.
I? -- Hell, Mike reversed into a pit and found the leader a step in.
ESTOLAD - He stole ads? You'd never hear it once in the camp.
NELDORETH - A scrambled article, a stick, and a singular lens got turned around in the woods.

A, O, and I to go.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Infinity_Gauntlet ?

[Huinesoron]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Infinity_Gauntlet ?

That's the large, purple, glove-wearing birdie. :)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

The thing that *wears* the glove is purple? Then what is the thing?

[Huinesoron]

The thing that *wears* the glove is purple? Then what is the thing?

... Thanos. The main villain of the highest-grossing film of all time, and the most publicized films of both of the last two years. It's not really an obscure bit of pop-culture trivia.

Which is only one letter off from Thalos, which is a river. Hence, 'misheard'.

EDIT: For the new page:

DIMBAR - A dull pub between the rivers.
OSSIRIAND - I say: Oh sir! I hand this damp place (to you).
REGION - An area, with trees.
LINDON - A little later, the shortened line of Italian nobles stands on the shore.
A? -- By a slightly longer name, would still smell as sweet, and probably of holly.
THALOS - Big, purple, fancy glove - no, sorry, I misread, it's just a river.
HOBBITON - A cry of greeting over most of a thousand kilos of rabbits, just outside the door.
THOUSAND CAVES - You send, formally and pretty much, Latin cautions underground.
O? -- A division without us? Normally after a short monster where the capital stands.
LHUN - Attila in bad French runs towards a haven.
OLD FOREST - I am aged, I am off to bed, I am just west of here.
RATHLORIEL - In anger and the voice of the laws of Hell, name me a second time after the battle.
I? -- Hell, Mike reversed into a pit and found the leader a step in.
ESTOLAD - He stole ads? You'd never hear it once in the camp.
NELDORETH - A scrambled article, a stick, and a singular lens got turned around in the woods.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

... Thanos. The main villain of the highest-grossing film of all time, and the most publicized films of both of the last two years. It's not really an obscure bit of pop-culture trivia.
hS

It is to me. :D I'm old and live in a barn.

Could I be MORIA with the red letter a step in from the end? Not hopeful, as I think you said second letter, not second letter from either extremity.

[Mithalwen]

Meant nothing to me either but then I am older still, I think and live in the 1950s...

[Huinesoron]

It is to me. :D I'm old and live in a barn.

Meant nothing to me either but then I am older still, I think and live in the 1950s...

Snort. Well, Tolkien forums always were a refuge from the passage of time... ;)

Could I be MORIA with the red letter a step in from the end? Not hopeful, as I think you said second letter, not second letter from either extremity.

It isn't (I did consider it), but you're right that 'a step in' indicates that the second letter is I.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Trouble is, the 'hell' words don't work. Udun, Angband, Utumno ... maybe it's PIT of something. Or a curse word? DAM???

Big damns to Mike, BTW. K's not good in Tolkien words. Maybe it's a dwarvish place?

(I am just a few months older than Mith, I remember. But to be fair, I live in the 1970's, albeit with excursions into Victoria's reign and the Dark Ages. The first series of Blackadder was my favourite).

[Pervinca Took]

MIRRORMERE? Mirror for the reverse part ... could a mere sort of be a pit?

(I am even less confident than I sound).

[Huinesoron]

Trouble is, the 'hell' words don't work. Udun, Angband, Utumno ... maybe it's PIT of something. Or a curse word? DAM???

Big damns to Mike, BTW. K's not good in Tolkien words. Maybe it's a dwarvish place?

MIRRORMERE? Mirror for the reverse part ... could a mere sort of be a pit?

(I am even less confident than I sound).

There should probably be a 'sounds like' somewhere in that clue, to be honest; it just didn't fit.

Hell, Mike did what?

hS

[Huinesoron]

It's been a bit, so have some hints:

A: the 'Rosie' guess followed pretty much the correct logic. The question states that by a longer name, this place would . 'Holly' indicates what the location would probably smell of, rather than anything about its name.

O: The first part is a cryptic clue. 'Normally after a short monster' indicates that this is actually the second half of a place name, the first half being cryptically clued by 'a short monster'. And the 'capital' bit means... well, exactly what it says: this is where the capital stands.

I: As [b]Pervinca guessed, I is the second letter. There are two words to the answer, and 'Hell, Mike reversed into a pit' is the cryptic clue. The straight clue is that the (a) leader can be found there.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

The only long word for a kind of rose I know is Eglantine. Is there a place sufficiently similar?

Oh, just remembered. It starts with A.

[Huinesoron]

The only long word for a kind of rose I know is Eglantine. Is there a place sufficiently similar?

Oh, just remembered. It starts with A.

By a longer name, this place would be a rose. :D

You're overthinking it.

hS

[Urwen]

Aros!

[Huinesoron]

Aros!

Aros! :D Which is the river on the south edge of Region, which is a forest of holly trees (ouch).

DIMBAR - A dull pub between the rivers.
OSSIRIAND - I say: Oh sir! I hand this damp place (to you).
REGION - An area, with trees.
LINDON - A little later, the shortened line of Italian nobles stands on the shore.
AROS - By a slightly longer name, would still smell as sweet, and probably of holly.
THALOS - Big, purple, fancy glove - no, sorry, I misread, it's just a river.
HOBBITON - A cry of greeting over most of a thousand kilos of rabbits, just outside the door.
THOUSAND CAVES - You send, formally and pretty much, Latin cautions underground.
O? -- A division without us? Normally after a short monster where the capital stands.
LHUN - Attila in bad French runs towards a haven.
OLD FOREST - I am aged, I am off to bed, I am just west of here.
RATHLORIEL - In anger and the voice of the laws of Hell, name me a second time after the battle.
I? -- Hell, Mike reversed into a pit and found the leader a step in.
ESTOLAD - He stole ads? You'd never hear it once in the camp.
NELDORETH - A scrambled article, a stick, and a singular lens got turned around in the woods.

Two to go.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

O? -- A division without us? Normally after a short monster where the capital stands.

OST-IN-EDHIL is a capital.

I can't find the elements required in it, though.

[Huinesoron]

O? -- A division without us? Normally after a short monster where the capital stands.

OST-IN-EDHIL is a capital.

I can't find the elements required in it, though.

Nope. This is a location in Beleriand, and is not a capital itself, but is a named (two word) location where the capital is located. So Túna rather than Tirion (but not Túna).

hS

[Urwen]

Amon Obel does come to mind, as a hill where Halad capital lies.

[Huinesoron]

Amon Obel does come to mind, as a hill where Halad capital lies.

OBEL it is. It follows after Amon(ster), and is... well, I guess the fact that I didn't know a division symbol is properly called an 'obelus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obelus)' should have hinted that it would be a tricky clue?

DIMBAR - A dull pub between the rivers.
OSSIRIAND - I say: Oh sir! I hand this damp place (to you).
REGION - An area, with trees.
LINDON - A little later, the shortened line of Italian nobles stands on the shore.
AROS - By a slightly longer name, would still smell as sweet, and probably of holly.
THALOS - Big, purple, fancy glove - no, sorry, I misread, it's just a river.
HOBBITON - A cry of greeting over most of a thousand kilos of rabbits, just outside the door.
THOUSAND CAVES - You send, formally and pretty much, Latin cautions underground.
OBEL - A division without us? Normally after a short monster where the capital stands.
LHUN - Attila in bad French runs towards a haven.
OLD FOREST - I am aged, I am off to bed, I am just west of here.
RATHLORIEL - In anger and the voice of the laws of Hell, name me a second time after the battle.
I? -- Hell, Mike reversed into a pit and found the leader a step in.
ESTOLAD - He stole ads? You'd never hear it once in the camp.
NELDORETH - A scrambled article, a stick, and a singular lens got turned around in the woods.

One I to go. I is the second letter, and the location is in the Shire.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Got it. MICHEL DELVING.

MIC + HEL + (a delving is a pit).

I was stuck because I was trying to reverse MIC itself.

[Huinesoron]

Got it. MICHEL DELVING.

MIC + HEL + (a delving ia a pit).

I was stuck because I was trying to reverse MIC itself).

That's the one; it's Hell-Mike reversed, rather than Hell, Mike reversed. (Also I have a nagging suspicion that first word is pronounced 'Mickle', but whatever.

DIMBAR - A dull pub between the rivers.
OSSIRIAND - I say: Oh sir! I hand this damp place (to you).
REGION - An area, with trees.
LINDON - A little later, the shortened line of Italian nobles stands on the shore.
AROS - By a slightly longer name, would still smell as sweet, and probably of holly.
THALOS - Big, purple, fancy glove - no, sorry, I misread, it's just a river.
HOBBITON - A cry of greeting over most of a thousand kilos of rabbits, just outside the door.
THOUSAND CAVES - You send, formally and pretty much, Latin cautions underground.
OBEL - A division without us? Normally after a short monster where the capital stands.
LHUN - Attila in bad French runs towards a haven.
OLD FOREST - I am aged, I am off to bed, I am just west of here.
RATHLORIEL - In anger and the voice of the laws of Hell, name me a second time after the battle.
MICHEL DELVING - Hell, Mike reversed into a pit and found the leader a step in.
ESTOLAD - He stole ads? You'd never hear it once in the camp.
NELDORETH - A scrambled article, a stick, and a singular lens got turned around in the woods.

Which looks something like this:

https://i.imgur.com/IXUpGP1.png

I... hadn't realised quite how far from Lorien the markers stop. :eek:

Over to you, Pervinca.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

What a great theme for a password! (Unfortunately, my Middle-earth geography is no better than my geography of the world as it now is).

Hope you all like this one:

1. The French garlic is noted – and in the confusion she appears, somewhere where raw pottery is suspended?
2. Revolutionary, in his turmoil, loses Vik for her!
3. Bluster loses its sedentary attitude, and urgency begins. See him.
4. A fondness for babycham, French tea, shellfish and bloomers is evident in him!
5. Gloin – barmy? Or is it relative? Either way, there’ll be trouble before she appears!
6. Will he be there ages?
7. Avarice of an armed force? Mix it for him. He’s a blogger – with a couple of differences.
8. Wet place twists limb back for him.
9. An evident gourmand. And an endless Surrey town becomes sibilant for the blissful fellow!

[Huinesoron]

#8: a wet place could be a FEN, and a limb could be a leg, twisted backwards to make FENGEL.

#7: if 'a blogger with a couple of differences' is a straight clue, it could point to a chronicler, of which Tolkien has a few. Avarice suggests GREED, which almost appears in 'Pengolodh'... but not really close enough, and you're left with 'pnloh' for an army.

Could that latter be HOST? Greed Host is an anagram of, uh... Ghost Deer, that famed writer of the... Nandor? ^_^; Maybe not.

And obviously #4 is Cidertheclambread. ^_^

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. The French garlic is noted – and in the confusion she appears, somewhere where raw pottery is suspended?
2. Revolutionary, in his turmoil, loses Vik for her!
3. Bluster loses its sedentary attitude, and urgency begins. See him.
4. A fondness for babycham, French tea, shellfish and bloomers is evident in him!
5. Gloin – barmy? Or is it relative? Either way, there’ll be trouble before she appears!
6. Will he be there ages?
7. Avarice of an armed force? Mix it for him. He’s a blogger – with a couple of differences.
FENGEL: Wet place twists limb back for him.
9. An evident gourmand. And an endless Surrey town becomes sibilant for the blissful fellow!

7. GREED is a correct element, but 'blogger' is not the straight clue and 'host' is wrong.

Your answer to 4 is perhaps closer than you realise.

[Huinesoron]

#1: Garlic is ail in French, or this could be [le/la] + [synonym for garlic = probably allium/clove]. Then add a note and scramble.

I can't find any female names that fit the first idea, so probably the second. :)

Allium + N almost gives MELIAN, but you'd need to lose 'lu' and gain 'e', so probably not.

Where do you hang or keep 'raw pottery'? A kiln, if you're cooking it; or perhaps we're looking for a place similar to Clayhang.

Oh look, there's a Hobbit family named Clayhanger, and the only known member is LAILA. Ail + the note la (I understand it follows so). I hear your sister did her in, Pervinca...

hS

[Pervinca Took]

LALIA CLAYHANGER: The French garlic is noted – and in the confusion she appears, somewhere where raw pottery is suspended?
2. Revolutionary, in his turmoil, loses Vik for her!
3. Bluster loses its sedentary attitude, and urgency begins. See him.
4. A fondness for babycham, French tea, shellfish and bloomers is evident in him!
5. Gloin – barmy? Or is it relative? Either way, there’ll be trouble before she appears!
6. Will he be there ages?
7. Avarice of an armed force? Mix it for him. He’s a blogger – with a couple of differences.
FENGEL: Wet place twists limb back for him.
9. An evident gourmand. And an endless Surrey town becomes sibilant for the blissful fellow!

L'AIL + A

It's Lalia ... I did mention some confusion. ;) And it's a wicked rumour! Bath chairs are tricky enough articles without talking of pushing them!

[Urwen]

I thought 5 could be Ungoliant the ugly spider, but unless UANT means 'barmy', in doesn't fit.

[Pervinca Took]

I thought 5 could be Ungoliant the ugly spider, but unless UANT means 'barmy', in doesn't fit.

It does. It's A NUT. :) Or AUNT for relative.

[Pervinca Took]

LALIA CLAYHANGER: The French garlic is noted – and in the confusion she appears, somewhere where raw pottery is suspended?
2. Revolutionary, in his turmoil, loses Vik for her!
3. Bluster loses its sedentary attitude, and urgency begins. See him.
4. A fondness for babycham, French tea, shellfish and bloomers is evident in him!
UNGOLIANT: Gloin – barmy? Or is it relative? Either way, there’ll be trouble before she appears!
6. Will he be there ages?
7. Avarice of an armed force? Mix it for him. He’s a blogger – with a couple of differences.
FENGEL: Wet place twists limb back for him.
9. An evident gourmand. And an endless Surrey town becomes sibilant for the blissful fellow!

[Urwen]

The only connection between them is that they all died.

[Mithalwen]

Fairly confident 4 is Perry the Winkle. Babycham is a perry (pear cider) tea in French is thé winkle is shellfish and a periwinkle is a flower so in crossword speak a bloomer.

2 Shelob. Bolshevik ( revolutionary) less Vik is an anagram.

All so far grew vast through greed. Oh perhaps not Fengel but he was unpleasant in some way need to check.. ok he had a gluttonous and avaricious nature.

[Pervinca Took]

LALIA CLAYHANGER: The French garlic is noted – and in the confusion she appears, somewhere where raw pottery is suspended?
SHELOB: Revolutionary, in his turmoil, loses Vik for her!
3. Bluster loses its sedentary attitude, and urgency begins. See him.
PERRY-THE-WINKLE: A fondness for babycham, French tea, shellfish and bloomers is evident in him!
UNGOLIANT: Gloin – barmy? Or is it relative? Either way, there’ll be trouble before she appears!
6. Will he be there ages?
7. Avarice of an armed force? Mix it for him. He’s a blogger – with a couple of differences.
FENGEL: Wet place twists limb back for him.
9. An evident gourmand. And an endless Surrey town becomes sibilant for the blissful fellow!

'Periwinkle' is ingenious for 'bloomer,' but actually it was a reference to PTW's love of CRAMSOME BREAD, which the old troll served him for tea and taught him to make. Bloomer as in loaf.

But then, perhaps I should take the credit and pretend I meant both kinds of bloomers (or two of the three? ;))

I once used CRAMSOME BREAD as an answer, and called it a bloomer in the clue. A long time ago, though.

You are right about the theme, too.

[Pervinca Took]

Fairly confident 4 is Perry the Winkle. Babycham is a perry (pear cider) tea in French is thé winkle is shellfish and a periwinkle is a flower so in crossword speak a bloomer.

2 Shelob. Bolshevik ( revolutionary) less Vik is an anagram.

All so far grew vast through greed. Oh perhaps not Fengel but he was unpleasant in some way need to check.. ok he had a gluttonous and avaricious nature.

Yes, Tolkien wrote 'He was greedy of food and also of power.'

[Mithalwen]

In that case is the password corpulent?

[Pervinca Took]

LALIA CLAYHANGER: The French garlic is noted – and in the confusion she appears, somewhere where raw pottery is suspended?
SHELOB: Revolutionary, in his turmoil, loses Vik for her!
???R???: Bluster loses its sedentary attitude, and urgency begins. See him.
PERRY-THE-WINKLE: A fondness for babycham, French tea, shellfish and bloomers is evident in him!
UNGOLIANT: Gloin – barmy? Or is it relative? Either way, there’ll be trouble before she appears!
???L???: Will he be there ages?
???E???: Avarice of an armed force? Mix it for him. He’s a blogger – with a couple of differences.
FENGEL: Wet place twists limb back for him.
???T???: An evident gourmand. And an endless Surrey town becomes sibilant for the blissful fellow!

THEME: CORPULENT CHARACTERS

Indeed it is. :)

I was quite scared, upthread, that the last clue might be the next to be guessed. :o

[Mithalwen]

6 Forlong? Nicknamed the fat. For long

[Pervinca Took]

LALIA CLAYHANGER: The French garlic is noted – and in the confusion she appears, somewhere where raw pottery is suspended?
SHELOB: Revolutionary, in his turmoil, loses Vik for her!
???R???: Bluster loses its sedentary attitude, and urgency begins. See him.
PERRY-THE-WINKLE: A fondness for babycham, French tea, shellfish and bloomers is evident in him!
UNGOLIANT: Gloin – barmy? Or is it relative? Either way, there’ll be trouble before she appears!
FORLONG: Will he be there ages?
???E???: Avarice of an armed force? Mix it for him. He’s a blogger – with a couple of differences.
FENGEL: Wet place twists limb back for him.
???T???: An evident gourmand. And an endless Surrey town becomes sibilant for the blissful fellow!

THEME: CORPULENT CHARACTERS

[Mithalwen]

Needed pen paper and Huinesoron’s legwork for this as well as a limited pool of less than slender characters.

7 Fredegar Bolger. Bolger is blogger with an extra letter and a pair of transposed letters. Fredegar is an anagram of RAF and greed.

[Pervinca Took]

LALIA CLAYHANGER: The French garlic is noted – and in the confusion she appears, somewhere where raw pottery is suspended?
SHELOB: Revolutionary, in his turmoil, loses Vik for her!
???R???: Bluster loses its sedentary attitude, and urgency begins. See him.
PERRY-THE-WINKLE: A fondness for babycham, French tea, shellfish and bloomers is evident in him!
UNGOLIANT: Gloin – barmy? Or is it relative? Either way, there’ll be trouble before she appears!
FORLONG: Will he be there ages?
FREDEGAR BOLGER: Avarice of an armed force? Mix it for him. He’s a blogger – with a couple of differences.
FENGEL: Wet place twists limb back for him.
???T???: An evident gourmand. And an endless Surrey town becomes sibilant for the blissful fellow!

THEME: CORPULENT CHARACTERS

[Huinesoron]

T: Aw, no, not Surrey again... :D

Based on your comment about it being guessed early, I think the first part must be 'fat[ty]', but Fredegar is already gone, and Fatty Lumpkin (Tom Bombadil is harsh on his pony) doesn't have a silibant. That's all I can...

... ah. Dorking, right? Poor old FATTIE DORKINS, of Mr. Bliss fame. (Who knew that owning such a strange book would pay such dividends in the noble sport of passwordery?) The straight clue is nice and sneaky on this one. :)

hS, off to bury my head in shame for misspelling Lalia's name

[Mithalwen]

I spent ages trying to get Fatty Lumpkin and Bolger to work and only gave up when I read the greed comment which clicked Fredegar in place. I have never read Mr Bliss though.

Is the R Bombur by any chance? I had butterbur stuck in my brain for this but thinking about Lumpkin led to Bombadil and itsuddenly occurred that bluster could be bombast and if you take the first two letters of urgency and lose the letters that make up sat....

[Pervinca Took]

LALIA CLAYHANGER: The French garlic is noted – and in the confusion she appears, somewhere where raw pottery is suspended?
SHELOB: Revolutionary, in his turmoil, loses Vik for her!
BOMBUR: Bluster loses its sedentary attitude, and urgency begins. See him.
PERRY-THE-WINKLE: A fondness for babycham, French tea, shellfish and bloomers is evident in him!
UNGOLIANT: Gloin – barmy? Or is it relative? Either way, there’ll be trouble before she appears!
FORLONG: Will he be there ages?
FREDEGAR BOLGER: Avarice of an armed force? Mix it for him. He’s a blogger – with a couple of differences.
FENGEL: Wet place twists limb back for him.
FATTY DORKINS: An evident gourmand. And an endless Surrey town becomes sibilant for the blissful fellow!

THEME: CORPULENT CHARACTERS

Quite right, both of you. Is it Fatty or Fattie? Can't remember for sure.

I'd forgotten that Butterbur was on the large size too. And about Master Lumpkin (who always makes me think of Tony Lumpkin in 'She Stoops To Conquer.')

I didn't go for answers like Bilbo, because he wasn't particularly fat for his kind.

This began as a much shorter puzzle, with LARGE for the password. But I thought of further candidates, and as CORPULENT was closer to the meaning, I made them fit that. I originally just had LALIA for the first answer, but CLAYHANGER was absolutely the only way I could get the C. I suppose even when the password applied to her, though, she was still a Clayhanger by birth.

Similarly, Fredegar Bolger was originally just Fredegar, but as Fatty Dorkins needed to be named in full and Lalia now appeared with her surname, I thought he had better do to. Hence the second sentence in that clue.

Well done, and over to Mithalwen.

[Mithalwen]

I don’t know that Barliman is especially big but Aragorn describes him as a fat man but then he is used to lean Dunedin and slender elves. I have only just started work and 8 am rusty so will prob be quite simple.

[Mithalwen]

1 The Spanish, in France, take directions for her.
2 Prince of Wales?
3 Her instruction for mercy preceded confused fib.
4 Muddled nun more lost here?
5 The king is otherwise sensational although a bit mixed up.
6 Her countenance is slightly awry to begin with however.
7 A bloomer from a border
8 Fall endlessly for him, then proceeed.
9 Confused, he steals from a Smanish painter.
10 Here a strong, Elvish Queen loses grace initially but takes note.
11 Graduate is endlessly glorious.

[Pervinca Took]

2 'sounds like' Moby Dick. :D

11. MA + GLOR ?

Rather unconfident guess at SIMBELMYNE for 7, because it blooms in the MARK (border), on the mounds of the dead.

Is 10 a progression from GALADRIEL to ALATIRIEL, losing G(RACE) and gaining ... TI, perhaps (last note before DOH)? (And losing the note D).

[Mithalwen]

1 The Spanish, in France, take directions for her.
2 Prince of Wales?
3 Her instruction for mercy preceded confused fib.
4 Muddled nun more lost here?
5 The king is otherwise sensational although a bit mixed up.
6 Her countenance is slightly awry to begin with however.
7 A bloomer from a border
8 Fall endlessly for him, then proceeed.
9 Confused, he will steal from a Spanish painter.
10 Here a strong, Elvish Queen loses grace initially but takes note.
11 MAGLOR - Graduate is endlessly glorious.

11 is spot on otherwise only the lost G is correct though I love the reasoning for Simbemyne. It could be that in another Password but in this one it isn’t.

[Pervinca Took]

Tempted to guess ELESSAR for 5. ELSE for 'otherwise,' but not sure about 'sensational.'

I don't see who, other than Galadriel, the strong Elvish Queen can be. But I note that the straight clue seems to be a place.

OBEL HALAD, with the G of GALAD replaced by the German note H?

4. NUMENOR. Anagram of 'nun more' (muddled), and it was lost.

3. Don't know it yet, but pretty sure it's a woman's name ending in -IEL (confused 'lie'). (I started off with Portia, but no luck there. ;))

Hang on ... is it BERUTHIEL?

BE is an order/instruction.
RUTH is mercy.
IEL is LIE (fib) confused.

[Mithalwen]

1 The Spanish, in France, take directions for her.
2 Prince of Wales?
3 BERUTHIEL Her instruction for mercy preceded confused fib.
4 NUMENOR Muddled nun more lost here?
5 The king is otherwise sensational although a bit mixed up.
6 Her countenance is slightly awry to begin with however.
7 A bloomer from a border
8 Fall endlessly for him, then proceeed.
9 Confused, he will steal from a Spanish painter.
10 Here strong, Elvish Queen loses grace initially but takes note.
11 MAGLOR - Graduate is endlessly glorious.

Well done with Beruthiel. Obel Halad means nothing to me. Have another think. :cool:

[Pervinca Took]

1. Perhaps ELENWE?

EL is one of the Spanish words for THE.
EN can mean IN in France in such contexts as in a country (en France, for example).
W(est).
E(ast).

[Mithalwen]

Indeed.

1 ELENWE The Spanish, in France, take directions for her.
2 Prince of Wales? Another preposition would be more apt.
3 BERUTHIEL Her instruction for mercy preceded confused fib.
4 NUMENOR Muddled nun more lost here?
5 The king is otherwise sensational although a bit mixed up.
6 Her countenance is slightly awry to begin with however.
7 A bloomer from a border
8 Fall endlessly for him, then proceeed.
9 Confused, he will steal from a Spanish painter.
10 Here strong, Elvish Queen loses grace initially but takes note.
11 MAGLOR - Graduate is endlessly glorious.

[Pervinca Took]

Ah ... maybe the Elvish Queen is GILTHONIEL.

Now ... what note can I add to ILTHONIEL, I wonder?

Hmmmmm.

(Well, I've heard that her language gets so blue when Manwe is in Pompous Mode, that the elves call her Filthoniel. Notably).

[Mithalwen]

Inventive but wrong in so many ways. Am I meant to be illuminating the relevant letter I each solved clue by the way?

[Pervinca Took]

Inventive but wrong in so many ways. Am I meant to be illuminating the relevant letter I each solved clue by the way?

That's what we've taken to doing. I was thinking this was one of those hidden ones you have to look for, though, and hence no red letters. But it's a bit long for a diagonal to work, given that we have the first and last answers and they're shorter than (supposedly) the password. So maybe it's all 2nd/3rd/etc letters or something.

[Mithalwen]

There is no system. It is just in there somewhere. Hmm.

[Galadriel55]

2. Has nothing to do with Charles, does it? Or an equivalent position - Boromir? Theodred? Now that I think of it both heirs to the throne left it to the next in line.

[Mithalwen]

2 No nothing to do with Charles however the similar position was true though not something that I thought of when writing it to be honest. It is rather simpler than that. But I may need to rephrase.

Clue amended.

[Pervinca Took]

Olwe is like the Welsh Olwen.

My first thought was an elvish prince who happens to share a name with a Welsh place or person (as a Sindarin name logically might). But I can't find an exact fit.

[Mithalwen]

There is one.

[Huinesoron]

My first thought was an elvish prince who happens to share a name with a Welsh place or person (as a Sindarin name logically might). But I can't find an exact fit.

There is one.

There is an AMROTH way out towards St David's. ('Am-' feels like a pretty Welsh sound, compared to all the Fe/Fi names which would need an FF to be Welsh.)

hS

[Huinesoron]

5 The king is otherwise sensational although a bit mixed up.

I kind of want this to be Else + [synonym for 'sensational'], and a name beginning with El-, but the only one that would fit the first half would be ELESSAR, and I can't conjure a 'sensational' word from S-A-R.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Tempted to guess ELESSAR for 5. ELSE for 'otherwise,' but not sure about 'sensational.'

I don't see who, other than Galadriel, the strong Elvish Queen can be. But I note that the straight clue seems to be a place.

OBEL HALAD, with the G of GALAD replaced by the German note H?

4. NUMENOR. Anagram of 'nun more' (muddled), and it was lost.

3. Don't know it yet, but pretty sure it's a woman's name ending in -IEL (confused 'lie'). (I started off with Portia, but no luck there. ;))

Hang on ... is it BERUTHIEL?

BE is an order/instruction.
RUTH is mercy.
IEL is LIE (fib) confused.

;)

What are possible synonyms, I wonder? Ace? Fab? Or less 70's ones like 'awesomesauce' or 'totes amazeballs?'

...

1. Maybe the 'otherwise' synonym is OR, not else.

Now, let's see ... was there an 'orace? :D

2. Maybe the bloomer is a common garden flower growing by the grass border in Bilbo's garden? Nasturtium, for example? (Sam uses 'trimming the grass border' as a pretext for being found under the window by Gandalf).

[Mithalwen]

1 ELENWE The Spanish, in France, take directions for her.
2 AMROTH Prince of Wales? Another preposition would be more apt.
3 BERUTHIEL Her instruction for mercy preceded confused fib.
4 NUMENOR Muddled nun more lost here?
5 The king is otherwise sensational although a bit mixed up.
6 Her countenance is slightly awry to begin with however.
7 A bloomer from a border
8 Fall endlessly for him, then proceeed.
9 Confused, he will steal from a Spanish painter.
10 Here strong, Elvish Queen loses grace initially but takes note.
11 MAGLOR - Graduate is endlessly glorious.


Amroth is correct but it still isn't Elessar. Have another look and maybe try barking up other trees. :cool:

[Pervinca Took]

8. DRO(P) + GO (proceed) = DROGO?

And I thought that couldn't be correct theme-wise, but the answers so far all seem to have suffered a misfortune or regret connected to the sea/water/water in a frozen form.

- Drogo and Amroth drowned.
- Numenor was drowned.
- Beruthiel was sent away by sea by her git of a husband.
- Elenwe died crossing frozen water. I presume she drowned; it says she was 'lost' in the crossing.
- Maglor sang in regret by the sea (into which he had cast a Silmaril).

[Pervinca Took]

And taking the water/drowned lead, ISILDUR for 5.


SI = is 'otherwise' (back to front/anagrammised)

LURID = sensational.

Mix them up: ISILDUR.

[Mithalwen]

Correct save for the otherwise obsession. Is just is. Otherwise was merely to indicate you needed a synonym of sensational. IS + LURID muddled =Isildur.

1 ELENWE The Spanish, in France, take directions for her.
2 AMROTH Prince of Wales? Another preposition would be more apt.
3 BERUTHIEL Her instruction for mercy preceded confused fib.
4 NUMENOR Muddled nun more lost here?
5 ISILDURThe king is otherwise sensational although a bit mixed up.
6 E Her countenance is slightly awry to begin with however.
7 N A bloomer from a border
8 DROGOFall endlessly for him, then proceeed.
9 I Confused, he will steal from a Spanish painter.
10 N Here strong, Elvish Queen loses grace initially but takes note.
11 MAGLOR - Graduate is endlessly glorious.

[Pervinca Took]

Password: WATER ENDING. ;)

(I had guessed the theme, but not the actual password).

[Pervinca Took]

I can't figure out 6 at all, element-wise. Making FACE or PROFILE awry yields nothing.

If your face was PRIM (for PRIMULA), would that make it a bit awry?

Niniel/Nienor is perhaps the obvious one to fit the theme, but I can't find the elements for it.

[Mithalwen]

was good enough for me and it is my password. I just thought putting the letters in would be too much of a help before connection guessed given which were the first to be solved.

[Mithalwen]

I can't figure out 6 at all, element-wise. Making FACE or PROFILE awry yields nothing.

If your face was PRIM (for PRIMULA), would that make it a bit awry?

Niniel/Nienor is perhaps the obvious one to fit the theme, but I can't find the elements for it.

1 ELENWE The Spanish, in France, take directions for her.
2 AMROTH Prince of Wales? Another preposition would be more apt.
3 BERUTHIEL Her instruction for mercy preceded confused fib.
4 NUMENOR Muddled nun more lost here?
5 ISILDURThe king is otherwise sensational although a bit mixed up.
6 NIENOR Her countenance is slightly awry to begin with however.
7 N A bloomer from a border
8 DROGO Fall endlessly for him, then proceeed.
9 I Steal confusedly with a Spanish painter.
10 N Here strong, Elvish Queen loses grace initially but takes note.
11 MAGLOR - Graduate is endlessly glorious.

MIEN - awry NIEN +OR

[Pervinca Took]

*facepalm*

(Feeling dim). ;)

[Mithalwen]

*facepalm*

(Feeling dim). ;)

I wouldn’t feel that dim over that. It wasn’t my best clue but Ifelt I had taken enough time already.

[Huinesoron]

I wouldn’t feel that dim over that. It wasn’t my best clue but Ifelt I had taken enough time already.

I think it was a pretty neat clue - it spells out exactly what you want to do with 'slightly awry initially', it's just a matter of realising that.

The fact that I didn't have the faintest idea about it, and haven't gotten anywhere on any of the others, is entirely beside the point (I mean, I managed to guess something that had already been dismissed, so we can all see what kind of state I'm in). But be assured that I'm still trying - it's not just the two of you!

hS

[Pervinca Took]

You guessed Amroth, didn't you, hS?

This bloomer is driving me nuts!

[Mithalwen]

I am surprised you haven't chewed them up and spat them out now you know the theme. I am going to amend one clue but not the bloomer one which I think is fair enough for now. Remember the letters are not necessarily initials.

[Pervinca Took]

A flower connected with water, though?

Goldberry's water lilies? Or lilies that get put in water by her? Does she live in border country?

...

No N.

Lots of trees went down with Numenor, but they still existed on Tol Eressea, because they were brought from there.

Also, Numenor isn't a border, as far as I can see.

[Huinesoron]

So looking at the theme, some people and places that might fit:

-Beleriand. We already have Numenor, so this makes sense. Could this fit with #10? If we remove the final note D, we're left with Bele + Rian. Beleg means 'mighty', and we can lose the initial of 'grace' to get Bele. Rian... well, both Rians are mortal, but the name apparently means 'crown-gift', so there is a royal link.

Okay, I've convinced myself. BELERIAND for #10.

-Elwing. She doesn't actually die in the water, but neither does Maglor. I... can't fit her to either puzzle, though.

-Deagol. No letters that fit.

-Hurin... but I can't make it work for either puzzle either.

I do note that neither 7 or 9 give a pronoun, so both could be places rather than people. I can't conjure up anywhere outside Beleriand or Numenor that was notably drowned, though.

hS

[Mithalwen]

This is the one you perhaps will facepalm over Pervinca .... :smokin:
Yes to Beleriand. I understood Beleg to mean great and rian to be Queen as in Celebrian

[Mithalwen]

1 ELENWE The Spanish, in France, take directions for her.
2 AMROTH Prince of Wales? Another preposition would be more apt.
3 BERUTHIEL Her instruction for mercy preceded confused fib.
4 NUMENOR Muddled nun more lost here?
5 ISILDURThe king is otherwise sensational although a bit mixed up.
6 NIENOR Her countenance is slightly awry to begin with however.
7 N A bloomer from a border
8 DROGO Fall endlessly for him, then proceeed.
9 BOROMIR Steal confusedly with a Spanish painter.
10 BELERIAND Here strong, Elvish Queen loses grace initially but takes note.
11 MAGLOR - Graduate is endlessly glorious.

[Pervinca Took]

I thought of Beleriand, and the country that was washed away leaving only Lindon, but I could not make it fit. Also I thought I had to begin with an elvish queen beginning G------, although I did try Quenya 'tari' with no joy.

9. Have tried including DALI for the Spanish painter. No joy yet.

[Mithalwen]

There are other Spanish painters :cool:

[Pervinca Took]

BOROMIR and his watery tomb.

MIRO + ROB.

[Pervinca Took]

Is 7 one of the names of athelas, because it ends up in hot water? Could the athelas Strider picked be considered to come from border country?

So ... ASEA ARANION or however it's spelt?

Or maybe KINGSFOIL?

[Mithalwen]

Yes to Boromir but you are getting colder with the remaining clue.

[Pervinca Took]

So we can see it.

1 ELENWE The Spanish, in France, take directions for her.
2 AMROTH Prince of Wales? Another preposition would be more apt.
3 BERUTHIEL Her instruction for mercy preceded confused fib.
4 NUMENOR Muddled nun more lost here?
5 ISILDURThe king is otherwise sensational although a bit mixed up.
6 NIENOR Her countenance is slightly awry to begin with however.
7 N A bloomer from a border
8 DROGO Fall endlessly for him, then proceeed.
9 BOROMIR Steal confusedly with a Spanish painter.
10 BELERIAND Here strong, Elvish Queen loses grace initially but takes note.
11 MAGLOR - Graduate is endlessly glorious.

[Pervinca Took]

The Floating Log?

[Mithalwen]

No.

[Pervinca Took]

Primula - from Buckland? On the Shire's borders.

Primula BaggiNs or Primula BraNdybuck.

Her name is a bloomer.

She drowned.

[Mithalwen]

Yep . Near enough

1 ELENWE The Spanish, in France, take directions for her.
2 AMROTH Prince of Wales? Another preposition would be more apt.
3 BERUTHIEL Her instruction for mercy preceded confused fib.
4 NUMENOR Muddled nun more lost here?
5 ISILDURThe king is otherwise sensational although a bit mixed up.
6 NIENOR Her countenance is slightly awry to begin with however.
7 PRIMULA BRANDYBUCK bloomer from a border
8 DROGO Fall endlessly for him, then proceeed.
9 BOROMIR Steal confusedly with a Spanish painter.
10 BELERIAND Here strong, Elvish Queen loses grace initially but takes note.
11 MAGLOR - Graduate is endlessly glorious.

[Huinesoron]

Phwoo! An excellent and challenging password, Mith; Pervinca, I remain in awe of your password-solving skills. ^_^

hS

[Pervinca Took]

'Water Ending' was a great password. Nice and original, too.

Don't get too hung up on the password too early with this one. It's a South Yorkshire dialect word, so may not be familiar to all - I thought it only fair to say so. So keep guessing the clues and see what happens.

Hope you like it.

1. Friend and goddess. Lose an article to carry Undomiel.
2. Regarding him, one would hope not to hear this happened to the owner! – the thing that initially swallows apricot rolls, that is.
3. Benign growth attached to monarch, without note, reveals him.
4. See him strike family!
5. See him appear, when a Baggins runs back.
6. Gold meat? Mince it to see him!

[Huinesoron]

#3: 'monarch without note' suggests an ending of KIN, and... well, a growth might be a LUMP, or potentially even a FATTY LUMP-KIN.

Which immediately suggests that #4 might be fellow pony BUMP-KIN.

... wikis really do make some of these fall quickly, don't they? #5: AROD looked like it could be a Hobbit name backwards, and sure enough, Dora Baggins is Frodo's aunt and famed letter-writer.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. Friend and goddess. Lose an article to carry Undomiel.
2. Regarding him, one would hope not to hear this happened to the owner! – the thing that initially swallows apricot rolls, that is.
FATTY LUMPKIN: Benign growth attached to monarch, without note, reveals him.
BUMPKIN: See him strike family!
AROD: See him appear, when a Baggins runs back.
6. Gold meat? Mince it to see him!

Sorry, I was mistaken. It's a random letter password.

[Huinesoron]

It's clear at this point that you meant South Yorkshire, Greece, and the password must be 'hippos'. :D

#1: 'To carry Undomiel' sounds like we're looking for Arwen's horse (which is what put my in the horsey mindset to start with), but I don't think she has a named horse. (I said doesn't; put Asfaloth back!)

On the other hand, what she does have is a grey PALFREY to take her to Minas Tirith, which is pal + Freya. So I'd say that'll do nicely.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

PALFREY: Friend and goddess. Lose an article to carry Undomiel.
2. Regarding him, one would hope not to hear this happened to the owner! – the thing that initially swallows apricot rolls, that is.
FATTY LUMPKIN: Benign growth attached to monarch, without note, reveals him.
BUMPKIN: See him strike family!
AROD: See him appear, when a Baggins runs back.
6. Gold meat? Mince it to see him!

Well remembered - or checked. ;)

[Huinesoron]

Well remembered - or checked. ;)

Checked, I'm afraid - but I'll take a little more credit for this one than for 'Category:Horses', because at least I had to figure out where to look. :)

Still pondering the last two clues.

hS

[Huinesoron]

For #6, I'm going to throw out a guess at HASUFEL, who's the only horse not already used with an AU in it (for gold). The only word I can make with the leftover letters is SHELF, but... no, hang on, it's FLESH, isn't it?

As far as #2 goes... okay, Hurin had a horse named ARROCH, which is made up of ROCH (Sindarin 'horse', so 'the thing' itself) + AR (Apricot Rolls). I... guess you wouldn't want a rock to 'happen' to Hurin? I don't know, I'm grasping at hay here.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

PALFREY: Friend and goddess. Lose an article to carry Undomiel.
2. Regarding him, one would hope not to hear this happened to the owner! – the thing that initially swallows apricot rolls, that is.
FATTY LUMPKIN: Benign growth attached to monarch, without note, reveals him.
BUMPKIN: See him strike family!
AROD: See him appear, when a Baggins runs back.
HASUFEL: Gold meat? Mince it to see him!

Think of what you wouldn't want to happen in relation to the horse itself.

The AR is correct, but in Arroch, it isn't swallowed, is it? ;)

[Huinesoron]

Ah, now I follow the structure. You certainly wouldn't want to hear Eorl fel(l) of(f) his apricot-loving steed FELAROF.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

PALFREY: Friend and goddess. Lose an article to carry Undomiel.
FELAROF: Regarding him, one would hope not to hear this happened to the owner! – the thing that initially swallows apricot rolls, that is.
FATTY LUMPKIN: Benign growth attached to monarch, without note, reveals him.
BUMPKIN: See him strike family!
AROD: See him appear, when a Baggins runs back.
HASUFEL: Gold meat? Mince it to see him!

THEME: POPPOS (South Yorkshire slang for horses and ponies).

Game, set and match to Huinesoron!

[Huinesoron]

Thanks - that was a good one, a nice mix of dominos to follow and tricky clues to frown over. :) And I never would have guessed the password itself.

Here we go with something that may not be quite as nice. :-/

1. - The king stands before a warren, to devour him subjectively.
2. - "Here, Lou - in!" Only fair, no?
3. - No Gollum, but say "Oh! Win!" to claim sword and shield.
4. - Legolas' end by Gimli denoted on the long shore.
5. - 1, lord of what?
6. - The top and tail of a farmer's song, the head of a sea-maid - a king?
7. - One cloth trumpet for a walker.
8. - Reported by the dwarves: lisping shark, one (French).
9. - Listen, the crowned one is glad: add hay to reel.
10. - A stick or a steed?
11. - He is taken past the family.
12. - Adam fell? Add one at the end, subtract six from the start, flip it around for one of two.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

7. A-rag-(h)orn.

One of the Nine Walkers, and also called Strider.

10. A-rod.

[Pervinca Took]

1. THEODEN has 4 letters standing before DEN.

HE - the subject form of him - is swallowed, but by T and O, which I can't account for.

[Huinesoron]

7. A-rag-(h)orn.

One of the Nine Walkers, and also called Strider.

10. A-rod.

Yes and yes. :)

1. THEODEN has 4 letters standing before DEN.

HE - the subject form of him - is swallowed, but by T and O, which I can't account for.

Correct. As the clue says: TO devour [HE]. :D

THEODEN - The king stands before a warren, to devour him subjectively.
2. - "Here, Lou - in!" Only fair, no?
3. - No Gollum, but say "Oh! Win!" to claim sword and shield.
4. - Legolas' end by Gimli denoted on the long shore.
5. - 1, lord of what?
6. - The top and tail of a farmer's song, the head of a sea-maid - a king?
ARAGORN - One cloth trumpet for a walker.
8. - Reported by the dwarves: lisping shark, one (French).
9. - Listen, the crowned one is glad: add hay to reel.
AROD - A stick or a steed?
11. - He is taken past the family.
12. - Adam fell? Add one at the end, subtract six from the start, flip it around for one of two.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

5. Rohan, if it refers to clue 1?

Or Sauron or the Ring, if it refers to the One Ring?

[Galadriel55]

3. Slightly silly guess for EOWYN eho sounds like (E) Oh! Win!.

4. ANFALAS: "one foe less", referring to their pseudo-competition at Helm's Deep.

[Galadriel55]

8. Tharkun.

[Huinesoron]

5. Rohan, if it refers to clue 1?

Or Sauron or the Ring, if it refers to the One Ring?

It doesn't refer to either of those. (At which point, I'm not sure how many countable sets with an obvious number 1 there are left in Middle-earth...)

3. Slightly silly guess for EOWYN eho sounds like (E) Oh! Win!.

... correct. ^_^ Specifically it's 'Say oh win', without any nasssssty Essssses.

4. ANFALAS: "one foe less", referring to their pseudo-competition at Helm's Deep.

That's really good, but no - though 'the long shore' does refer to Anfalas.

8. Tharkun.

It'th a thark! Yes.

THEODEN - The king stands before a warren, to devour him subjectively.
2. - "Here, Lou - in!" Only fair, no?
EOWYN - No Gollum, but say "Oh! Win!" to claim sword and shield.
4. - Legolas' end by Gimli denoted on the long shore.
5. - 1, lord of what?
6. - The top and tail of a farmer's song, the head of a sea-maid - a king?
ARAGORN - One cloth trumpet for a walker.
THARKUN - Reported by the dwarves: lisping shark, one (French).
9. - Listen, the crowned one is glad: add hay to reel.
AROD - A stick or a steed?
11. - He is taken past the family.
12. - Adam fell? Add one at the end, subtract six from the start, flip it around for one of two.

[Pervinca Took]

2. HIRLUIN the Fair.

11. The past of taken is TOOK, so is it Pippin? Peregrin? Everard? Gerontius? A male of that family.

5. White tree?

THE ...

It looks like THE OTHERS ... the people in TTT and ROTK but not with Frodo. The people and poppos in Books 3 and 5. But 'others' doesn't have 2 A's or as many letters.

[Mithalwen]

Phwoo! An excellent and challenging password, Mith; Pervinca, I remain in awe of your password-solving skills. ^_^

hS

Thank you. It had to be a broad interpretation as The W was elusive. I never heard of poppos to mean equines despite growing up in Rohan- by-the-Sea, albeit in the South. Have recently heard bobos but that is East Midlands

[Pervinca Took]

Thank you. It had to be a broad interpretation as The W was elusive. I never heard of poppos to mean equines despite growing up in Rohan- by-the-Sea, albeit in the South. Have recently heard bobos but that is East Midlands

My family use the term. It's a South Yorkshire word.

[Huinesoron]

2. HIRLUIN the Fair.

Correct.

11. The past of taken is TOOK, so is it Pippin? Peregrin? Everard? Gerontius? A male of that family.

TOOK is the answer, and refers to Pippin, but I needed the T.

5. White tree?

Nope. I suppose they are a countable set, but the one you need is counted by Tolkien.

THE ...

It looks like THE OTHERS ... the people in TTT and ROTK but not with Frodo. The people and poppos in Books 3 and 5. But 'others' doesn't have 2 A's or as many letters.

It does start with 'the'. :)

THEODEN - The king stands before a warren, to devour him subjectively.
HIRLUIN - "Here, Lou - in!" Only fair, no?
EOWYN - No Gollum, but say "Oh! Win!" to claim sword and shield.
4. - Legolas' end by Gimli denoted on the long shore.
5. - 1, lord of what?
6. - The top and tail of a farmer's song, the head of a sea-maid - a king?
ARAGORN - One cloth trumpet for a walker.
THARKUN - Reported by the dwarves: lisping shark, one (French).
9. - Listen, the crowned one is glad: add hay to reel.
AROD - A stick or a steed?
TOOK - He is taken past the family.
12. - Adam fell? Add one at the end, subtract six from the start, flip it around for one of two.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Isn't everything countable in the books counted by Tolkien?

[Huinesoron]

Isn't everything countable in the books counted by Tolkien?

I wouldn't say so? You can count the High Kings of the Noldor, but Tolkien never sits down and says "Seven* were the High Kings of that people, and chief among them was Finwe," or somesuch.

*Eight? Does Maglor count for his regency during Maedhros' captivity?

hS

[Mithalwen]

I wonder if Poppos is related to hippos or if just coincidence. Anyway vague stab at Galadriel for nine. If you ‘any fer ‘orses to glad and add reel it might sound like it and her name means radiantly garlanded maiden ..

[Huinesoron]

I wonder if Poppos is related to hippos or if just coincidence. Anyway vague stab at Galadriel for nine. If you ‘any fer ‘orses to glad and add reel it might sound like it and her name means radiantly garlanded maiden ..

Galadriel it is, and for exactly that reason. (As far as Yorkshire dialect goes, I personally don't think they have any logic behind their words. My Mam's from Leeds, so maybe matters are different in the southerly bits...)

THEODEN - The king stands before a warren, to devour him subjectively.
HIRLUIN - "Here, Lou - in!" Only fair, no?
EOWYN - No Gollum, but say "Oh! Win!" to claim sword and shield.
4. - Legolas' end by Gimli denoted on the long shore.
5. - 1, lord of what?
6. - The top and tail of a farmer's song, the head of a sea-maid - a king?
ARAGORN - One cloth trumpet for a walker.
THARKUN - Reported by the dwarves: lisping shark, one (French).
GALADRIEL - Listen, the crowned one is glad: add hay to reel.
AROD - A stick or a steed?
TOOK - He is taken past the family.
12. - Adam fell? Add one at the end, subtract six from the start, flip it around for one of two.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

The Great Gate?

[Pervinca Took]

The Great Gate?

Although ... what would the gate of Minas Tirith have to do with Galadriel?

Hang on ... did Balin and Co drive out foes from the Great Gate?

[Huinesoron]

The Great Gate?

Is the password. :)

THEODEN - The king stands before a warren, to devour him subjectively.
HIRLUIN - "Here, Lou - in!" Only fair, no?
EOWYN - No Gollum, but say "Oh! Win!" to claim sword and shield.
4. G? - Legolas' end by Gimli denoted on the long shore.
5. R? - 1, lord of what?
6. E? - The top and tail of a farmer's song, the head of a sea-maid - a king?
ARAGORN - One cloth trumpet for a walker.
THARKUN - Reported by the dwarves: lisping shark, one (French).
GALADRIEL - Listen, the crowned one is glad: add hay to reel.
AROD - A stick or a steed?
TOOK - He is taken past the family.
12. E? - Adam fell? Add one at the end, subtract six from the start, flip it around for one of two.

Hang on ... did Balin and Co drive out foes from the Great Gate?

I think the gates of Moria were only named West and East. The Lonely Mountain had a Front Gate. I may be wrong, but I think there's only one Great Gate:

Although ... what would the gate of Minas Tirith have to do with Galadriel?

That's for me to know and you to puzzle over. :)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

5. Radagast, 1 of 5, lord of birds and beasts?

[Huinesoron]

5. Radagast, 1 of 5, lord of birds and beasts?

Nope. I will say that the word you need for the password is the answer to 'lord of what?', rather than the actual name of 1.

Also, 1 was chosen deliberately. Radagast is by no means #1 of the Five Wizards.

hS

[Mithalwen]

Is 6 Eomer?. Farmer’s song being Old Macdonald giving E and o and sea maid may be mermaid

[Huinesoron]

Is 6 Eomer?. Farmer’s song being Old Macdonald giving E and o and sea maid may be mermaid

Spot on. :)

THEODEN - The king stands before a warren, to devour him subjectively.
HIRLUIN - "Here, Lou - in!" Only fair, no?
EOWYN - No Gollum, but say "Oh! Win!" to claim sword and shield.
4. G? - Legolas' end by Gimli denoted on the long shore.
5. R? - 1, lord of what?
EOMER - The top and tail of a farmer's song, the head of a sea-maid - a king?
ARAGORN - One cloth trumpet for a walker.
THARKUN - Reported by the dwarves: lisping shark, one (French).
GALADRIEL - Listen, the crowned one is glad: add hay to reel.
AROD - A stick or a steed?
TOOK - He is taken past the family.
12. E? - Adam fell? Add one at the end, subtract six from the start, flip it around for one of two.

hS

[Mithalwen]

Just to get it out of my system as I have a brain-brake stopping me get beyond this but I have the feeling that 12 might be one of the Sons of Elrond even though neither seem to work in the slightest ( in the clue sense, I am sure they were gainfully employed as Middle Earth glamourous alternative to the Krays...).

[Pervinca Took]

To get it on the same page:

Spot on. :)

THEODEN - The king stands before a warren, to devour him subjectively.
HIRLUIN - "Here, Lou - in!" Only fair, no?
EOWYN - No Gollum, but say "Oh! Win!" to claim sword and shield.
4. G? - Legolas' end by Gimli denoted on the long shore.
5. R? - 1, lord of what?
EOMER - The top and tail of a farmer's song, the head of a sea-maid - a king?
ARAGORN - One cloth trumpet for a walker.
THARKUN - Reported by the dwarves: lisping shark, one (French).
GALADRIEL - Listen, the crowned one is glad: add hay to reel.
AROD - A stick or a steed?
TOOK - He is taken past the family.
12. E? - Adam fell? Add one at the end, subtract six from the start, flip it around for one of two.

hS

5. RINGWRAITHS, referring to the Witch-king? I think he rode in through the Great Gate after Grond smashed through it.

[Pervinca Took]

4. Grey Havens? Was Mithlond the only port to Valinor? I know Legolas built his own ship, but did he have to sail to Mithlond first?

[Huinesoron]

Just to get it out of my system as I have a brain-brake stopping me get beyond this but I have the feeling that 12 might be one of the Sons of Elrond even though neither seem to work in the slightest ( in the clue sense, I am sure they were gainfully employed as Middle Earth glamourous alternative to the Krays...).

It is, actually. Do you want to try and figure out which one, or shall I put him in?

5. RINGWRAITHS, referring to the Witch-king? I think he rode in through the Great Gate after Grond smashed through it.

Correct, though in the singular.

4. Grey Havens? Was Mithlond the only port to Valinor? I know Legolas built his own ship, but did he have to sail to Mithlond first?

Not the Grey Havens; I think I said that Anfalas was what was meant by 'the long shore'.

THEODEN - The king stands before a warren, to devour him subjectively.
HIRLUIN - "Here, Lou - in!" Only fair, no?
EOWYN - No Gollum, but say "Oh! Win!" to claim sword and shield.
4. G? - Legolas' end by Gimli denoted on the long shore.
RINGWRAITH - 1, lord of what?
EOMER - The top and tail of a farmer's song, the head of a sea-maid - a king?
ARAGORN - One cloth trumpet for a walker.
THARKUN - Reported by the dwarves: lisping shark, one (French).
GALADRIEL - Listen, the crowned one is glad: add hay to reel.
AROD - A stick or a steed?
TOOK - He is taken past the family.
12. E? - Adam fell? Add one at the end, subtract six from the start, flip it around for one of two.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

4. GOLASGIL, Lord of Anfalas.

(LE)GOLAS + GIMLI - MI.

[Huinesoron]

4. GOLASGIL, Lord of Anfalas.

(LE)GOLAS + GIMLI - MI.

That's the one!

And on reflection, I'll give Mith ELLADAN for #12, but will withold the explanation in case anyone wants to guess. So that's complete!

THEODEN - The king stands before a warren, to devour him subjectively.
HIRLUIN - "Here, Lou - in!" Only fair, no?
EOWYN - No Gollum, but say "Oh! Win!" to claim sword and shield.
GOLASGIL - Legolas' end by Gimli denoted on the long shore.
RINGWRAITH - 1, lord of what?
EOMER - The top and tail of a farmer's song, the head of a sea-maid - a king?
ARAGORN - One cloth trumpet for a walker.
THARKUN - Reported by the dwarves: lisping shark, one (French).
GALADRIEL - Listen, the crowned one is glad: add hay to reel.
AROD - A stick or a steed?
TOOK - He is taken past the family.
ELLADAN - Adam fell? Add one at the end, subtract six from the start, flip it around for one of two.

Theme: Characters specifically mentioned in the narrative as passing through the Great Gate of Minas Tirith

Mostly right where you'd expect. Galadriel and Elladan arrive as part of Arwen's party; I believe Legolas rides Arod out during the same sequence, though it might be during the final departure. Theoden is dead by the time he goes through, but it still counts.

And with that, over to Pervinca again, I believe.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Please, I need to know how the ELLADAN clue works, or it will drive me crackers.

ADAMFELL has to lose M and F and gain an N. How does that happen? F isn't the sixth letter from the start.

[Huinesoron]

Please, I need to know how the ELLADAN clue works, or it will drive me crackers.

ADAMFELL has to lose M and F and gain an N. How does that happen? F isn't the sixth letter from the start.

Hee, all right:

Adam fell? Add one at the end, subtract six from the start, flip it around for one of two.

The comma-delimited instructions apply to the separate words. ADAM -> add one to the end, by iterating the final letter by one = ADAN. FELL -> subtract six from the start, by removing the sixth letter of the alphabet from the beginning = ELL. Flip it around = reverse the words, so rather than ADAN ELL, we get ELL ADAN.

I know it's not spectacular. I was kind of on a numbers kick with the Ringwraith clue, and deeply annoyed that I couldn't just give that one as '1.', because I couldn't just make it 'Witch-King'.

And now really over to you.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

I thought 'iterating' just meant 'repeating.'

[Huinesoron]

I thought 'iterating' just meant 'repeating.'

I... think what I was thinking was that in a programming context, when you cycle through a loop once, you can say you've iterated the loop by one, and also that you've iterated the counter of how many times you've done it by one.

I dunno; it's late and I'm tired. :p

hS