Password

[Galadriel55]

...or DRAGON, downwards last letter. :Merisu:

[Galadriel55]

Which makes 3. SCATHA: cat has... nine lives.

[Huinesoron]

And #6 would presumably be ANCALAGON, noted Thangorodrim-breaker. His name includes 'ANON' as half of a support group, but I can't turn Calag/Glaca/whatever into ab appropriate other part.

hS

PS: Ancalagon is also a decent answer to the 'time' riddle, come to think of it... not as good as Bilbo's, though.

[Pervinca Took]

Maybe the password is dragon slayer? Hang on, though ... those new answers don't have any Y's in them. Never mind. ;)

I was trying AA for the support group element, or GA when I was trying to get Balrog to work. (I also tried Inklings/Coalbiters for the support group and secret vice combined).

Maybe LANG again for Tolkien's secret vice. Which was inventing imaginary languages, I think?

Maybe C (see) for behold?

ANON + LANG + C ?
AA + LANG + C?

Very smart work, G55 and hS.

[Huinesoron]

Maybe LANG again for Tolkien's secret vice. Which was inventing imaginary languages, I think?

That's what Ardalambion always says. :D How about CONLANG AA?

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Well, Tolkien said it first. He wrote a paper with that title. ;)

[Nerwen]

DRAGON it is.

BARD He seems entertaining, but dreary on reflection.
EREBOR Steal before confusion; arrive at lonely place.
SCATHA ...nine lives? Perhaps if you reassemble him- and give his teeth back.
SMAUG Note at the heart of his personality reveals him.
BILBO Lose little speech, and you may find this small chap in an Australian waterhole.
ANCALAGON Support group for author's vice? In the turmoil, behold the breaker of mountains!

Well done, all! And over to, you G55.

[Pervinca Took]

Great password! Can you tell us the correct elements that make up Ancalagon, Nerwen?

[Nerwen]

Great password! Can you tell us the correct elements that make up Ancalagon, Nerwen?
Huey had it- CONLANG + AA.

[Pervinca Took]

Con as in learn, or con as in deceive?

[Huinesoron]

Con as in learn, or con as in deceive?

Con as in 'constructed language'. :)

hS

[Nerwen]

Con as in 'constructed language'. :)

hS
What he said. It's a term.

[Galadriel55]

For a bit of an unusual password, though it will be easy once you see the pattern.


1. One water points direction twice but can’t get its bearings, until found in the West.
2. Is it cheese? No, but it has good apples.
3. Pinch crater unsafe.
4. Manage mix under mountain.
5. Court inside requested, demanded, or asked subjects of news.
6. Cold consumes small one in the north.

Happy riddling!

[Pervinca Took]

2. Bree? (Brie/Sam's apples from Nob/Bob/both).

6. Fornost? (Frost surrounding on (small version of one).

[Galadriel55]

1. One water points direction twice but can’t get its bearings, until found in the West.
2. BREE: Is it cheese? No, but it has good apples.
3. Pinch crater unsafe.
4. Manage mix under mountain.
5. Court inside requested, demanded, or asked subjects of news.
6. FORNOST: Cold consumes small one in the north.

[Pervinca Took]

Is 3 Crickhollow? A hollow for a crater, a crick is a pain and I guess a pinch hurts too, and Crickhollow became unsafe.

[Galadriel55]

You're on a roll!

1. One water points direction twice but can’t get its bearings, until found in the West.
2. BREE: Is it cheese? No, but it has good apples.
3. CRICKHOLLOW: Pinch crater unsafe.
4. Manage mix under mountain.
5. Court inside requested, demanded, or asked subjects of news.
6. FORNOST: Cold consumes small one in the north.

[Pervinca Took]

Oh ... is the password ABCDEF?

Edit: With DALE a mix of 'deal' for 'manage?'

[Pervinca Took]

EDORAS! A royal court, and finally found it amongst the words of the clue after wondering what the 'news' bit was about. I know Edoras would contain some of the king's subjects, but not sure about news, although there is Ed for editor.

[Pervinca Took]

Does Alalminore have mineral (water) plus a (one) for the first clue? Not sure about the bearings/directions, though.

[Galadriel55]

All correct except the A clue. (Will edit from computer - now on phone which is giving me trouble).

[Pervinca Took]

Is 1 Akallabeth, which contains A plus LAKE and refers to an island losing its bearings?

Although Alqualonde has AQUA, two L's, and mortals can't get its bearings, because it's hidden from them. Oh! And it has ONE, so no need for a third A.

(I tried to find all of 'Evian' in Avallone and failed). :D

[Galadriel55]

You got it! Over to you!

1. ALQUALONDE: One water points direction twice but can’t get its bearings, until found in the West.
2. BREE: Is it cheese? No, but it has good apples.
3. CRICKHOLLOW: Pinch crater unsafe.
4. DALE: Manage mix under mountain.
5. EDORAS: Court inside requested, demanded, or asked subjects of news.
6. FORNOST: Cold consumes small one in the north.

[Pervinca Took]

That was fun! Thanks, G55. :) What was the news element in the Edoras clue, though?

Speaking of fun, Huinesoron in particular is REALLY going to like this one! :D:D

1. He’s a rough and churlish fellow, but amongst winding trees we see him more clearly.
2. He’s Wellsian, but less sibilant. More direction.
3. Demented canine in retreat: see him!
4. Keen-sighted hero, or just a comic character? Or perhaps a cocktail of both?
5. Coming up without direction, a girl joins here.
6. A competition to see who can plough fastest? She’s a bit messed up.
7. He reads maps backwards.

[Galadriel55]

That was fun! Thanks, G55. :) What was the news element in the Edoras clue, though?

It doesn't mean anything - the entire clue doesn't mean anything, except for court as the straight clue. The name EDORAS is literally inside the words of the clue, that's it: demandED OR ASked. The rest of the clue is just to complete the sentence.

[Pervinca Took]

Ah, I see! Thanks. :)

A clue for the latest puzzle ... the answers all involve looking at Tolkien in a slightly unusual way. ;)

Bear that in mind, and look at clues 3 and 7.

[Galadriel55]

Spam? :confused: Is that a reference to HOME? :D:p

[Pervinca Took]

It's certainly SPAM, but it's certainly NOT from HOME! :D

1. He’s a rough and churlish fellow, but amongst winding trees we see him more clearly.
2. He’s Wellsian, but less sibilant. More direction.
3. Demented canine in retreat: see him!
4. Keen-sighted hero, or just a comic character? Or perhaps a cocktail of both?
5. Coming up without direction, a girl joins here.
6. A competition to see who can plough fastest? She’s a bit messed up.
SPAM: He reads maps backwards.

[Huinesoron]

Hmm. In that case, is #3 a reversal of Mad Dog, aka Goddam?

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Most assuredly it is!

1. He’s a rough and churlish fellow, but amongst winding trees we see him more clearly.
2. He’s Wellsian, but less sibilant. More direction.
GODDAM: Demented canine in retreat: see him!
4. Keen-sighted hero, or just a comic character? Or perhaps a cocktail of both?
5. Coming up without direction, a girl joins here.
6. A competition to see who can plough fastest? She’s a bit messed up.
SPAM: He reads maps backwards.

[Huinesoron]

This is very hard. ;)

Is #4 perhaps BIRDSEYE, which could point at both keen sight (like a hawk, say), and the vaguely comedic Fish Finger-selling Captain? (It's also hinted at by 'cocktail' - 'bird+body part' matches both.)

hS, struggling

[Pervinca Took]

It's not that hard. The answers all come from the same place as Spam and Goddam. I had forgotten some of the other names, but I googled the book.

A book you got slightly cross at me for referencing, a page or two back.

[Huinesoron]

I spotted that; I used to own a copy, actually, but can't find it now.

The hard part is that I can't connect the clues to any of the names yet. ;) So possibly what I mean is 'Password is hard...'

(I assume that's no on Birdseye of the Vee-Ates?)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

There is no character in the password called Birdseye, but there is a list of the 'Bored of the Rings' names on Wikipedia. That's where I got some of the answers, as I didn't remember quite enough of the names to make the password work.

[Huinesoron]

Yes, that's where I got Birdseye. ;) Ah - I see that GIMLET (son of Groin, which frankly is cheating given that Gloin already is) not only has eyes like gimlets, but is also the name of a cocktail (and is a version of Gimli, who got turned into comic relief). So him for #4.

And does that make the password BOGGIES?

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Both correct!

B: He’s a rough and churlish fellow, but amongst winding trees we see him more clearly.
O: He’s Wellsian, but less sibilant. More direction.
GODDAM: Demented canine in retreat: see him!
GIMLET: Keen-sighted hero, or just a comic character? Or perhaps a cocktail of both?
I: Coming up without direction, a girl joins here.
E: A competition to see who can plough fastest? She’s a bit messed up.
SPAM: He reads maps backwards.

THEME: 'BORED OF THE RINGS.'

'Comic character' is because Gimlet *was* a character in a comic. Not a reference to Gimli being used for comic relief (grrrrr!!)

[Galadriel55]

EORACHE, thanks to wikipedia. Race + hoe.

[Mithalwen]

Oh I don’t know if I still have my copy but Orlon I remember Orson (Wells) minus sibilant s plus L for left.

[Mithalwen]

Isinglass? Rising minus r for right plus lass

[Pervinca Took]

Indeed to all three! Orlon was Elrond.

B: He’s a rough and churlish fellow, but amongst winding trees we see him more clearly.
ORLON: He’s Wellsian, but less sibilant. More direction.
GODDAM: Demented canine in retreat: see him!
GIMLET: Keen-sighted hero, or just a comic character? Or perhaps a cocktail of both?
ISINGLASS: Coming up without direction, a girl joins here.
EORACHE: A competition to see who can plough fastest? She’s a bit messed up.
SPAM: He reads maps backwards.

THEME: 'BORED OF THE RINGS.'

One to go!

[Huinesoron]

So the problem I'm having with #1 is that it's difficult to know where to start. There's nothing to obviously indicate an anagram (except maybe 'winding'), which suggests that there should be something from the clue visible in order in the answer... but there are so many key words that it could be!

Further, there's only a handful of B- names on the Wikipedia page, but I can't find anything relevant in any of them. If I had a better grasp of how the clue was structured, I could focus my attention, but at the moment I'm just in blunderbuss mode.

(Ultimately this is just a long-winded version of 'I'm stuck; hint plz?'.)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Well, you know the answer's a 'he' (obvious from the clue), and you know it isn't Birdseye. If you're struggling, it might be from assuming that anything more than 'he' is part of the straight clue. It isn't.

Just find a BOTR name beginning with B and work backwards.

[Pervinca Took]

If it helps, the name of the original character, before he's parodied, begins with B too.

What single word could mean a rough and churlish fellow?

[Huinesoron]

Rogue, ruffian, scoundrel, villain.

The remaining B- names on the Wikipedia list are:

Barbasol (=Isildur)
Bromosel (=Boromir)
Benelux (=Denethor)
Benzedrine (=Bombadil)
Ballhog (=Balrog)
Bugger (=Baggins)

Your latest hint means it's not Barbasol or Benelux. You could argue that the last option can be a colloquialism for 'rough and churlish fellow', but that makes the trees part a complete red herring. And due to my apparent blindness, I can't see any useful words, plain, broken, or anagrammed, in Bromosel, Benzedrine, or Ballhog.

I'm reeeeeeeally bad at this one. XD

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Have you tried looking for a kind of tree?

[Huinesoron]

I have, and I have failed to find one. :)

I'm pretty sure anyone else would be able to find it in a split second, but I'm just drawing a complete blank, and th'ain't nobody else around.

Don't worry, I'm still looking!

hS

[Galadriel55]

I have, and I have failed to find one. :)

I'm pretty sure anyone else would be able to find it in a split second, but I'm just drawing a complete blank, and th'ain't nobody else around.

Don't worry, I'm still looking!

hS

I've been around, but unfortunately I did not have anything useful to offer. All my tree attempts were unsuccessful, mainly because I don't really know what to do with the trees. As for the rough fellow, I've been trying various short insults for such people, but haven't made anything legible. The closest I can get is "bore" for a boring person, but that doesn't match the description well.

[Pervinca Took]

Galadriel, you would not *believe* how close 'bore' is to that bit of the clue!

You may be more used to seeing the adjective related to the noun that forms that element of the clue.

[Huinesoron]

Boor, then, and BROMOSEL minus boor leaves Elms.

I'm not sure why this one proved so hard. Obviously anagrams drive me batty at the best of times, but even so! I think it's because the anagram is made from two short words, so there's no real clusters of letters to spot. (If, for instance, the first word had been 'ruffian', the two fs and a u might have hinted at it.)

The flip side of this is: I'm amazed you spotted the combo to make it! So well done. :)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

That's the one! You just needed to 'wind' elms a bit around boor and put boor amongst the elms a bit. ;)

I understand the frustration, Huey ... I have felt totally stumped by a lot of your clues, which then seemed quite logical once the answers were revealed.

I often don't instantly spot combinations. I sometimes write them out and play with the letters a bit, crossing them out as I use them.

BROMOSEL: He’s a rough and churlish fellow, but amongst winding trees we see him more clearly.
ORLON: He’s Wellsian, but less sibilant. More direction.
GODDAM: Demented canine in retreat: see him!
GIMLET: Keen-sighted hero, or just a comic character? Or perhaps a cocktail of both?
ISINGLASS: Coming up without direction, a girl joins here.
EORACHE: A competition to see who can plough fastest? She’s a bit messed up.
SPAM: He reads maps backwards.

THEME: 'BORED OF THE RINGS.'

Huinesoron, it's over to you again! :)

[Galadriel55]

Hurray for teamwork! :D

[Pervinca Took]

Indeed! Well done, all.

[Pervinca Took]

So ... Huinesoron, is there another password on its way?

[Huinesoron]

Sorry! The one I was working on didn't quite come together, so you get a different one instead:

1. Element of stone: 8 + 19 = 649 (with extra A)
2. Element of discord: Cob + final + not my = last of 10.
3. Element of green: Not B = cog + +/-
4. Element of fire: Salt (not green) + spot (not out) = 1, and also 1
5. Element of water: First title + first name = first blasphemy.
6. Element of wood: Borrow I... - 500 = father of the namesake of the last before the king

Well... you did ask! :D

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Arassuil was the father of Arathorn I, namesake of the last chieftain before the king.

[Huinesoron]

I'm afraid not - but you got the right king!

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Oh, maybe it's the two Denethors, then. Last steward before king. Denethor I was an elf, I think ... need to look him up.

[Pervinca Took]

6. Element of wood: Borrow I... - 500 = father of the namesake of the last before the kin

hS

That seems to point to Lenwe, father of the other Denethor. I'm guessing a D is removed from something woodlike ... ened? enyd?

[Huinesoron]

1. Element of stone: 8 + 19 = 649 (with extra A)
2. Element of discord: Cob + final + not my = last of 10.
3. Element of green: Not B = cog + +/-
4. Element of fire: Salt (not green) + spot (not out) = 1, and also 1
5. Element of water: First title + first name = first blasphemy.
6.L ENWE - Element of wood: Borrow I... - 500 = father of the namesake of the last before the king

Lenwe = Borrow I, lend we, minus D. Well found!

hS

[Pervinca Took]

But borrowing and lending are opposites!

It appears I need to ignore the element bits for now. Unless the password is made up of chemical symbols.

No, hang on. Lithium is Li, I think.

Maybe it means the answer has a bit of Lebethron in it.

[Pervinca Took]

1. D C I L A

Hmmmmm.

[Huinesoron]

You're right; the clue should really have been 'Borrow you...'. But you got it anyway!

You have about half the answer for #1. :)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Makes no sense that I can see to garner elements from VIII, XIX or XXVII.

But although there were 20 Great Rings, there were only 19 Great Rings *with stones.* I wonder if the stone element could be connected to that.

[Huinesoron]

8 and 19 are separate from each other.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

That doesn't say whether the Great Rings connection is wrong or not, because that's connected only to 19.

[Huinesoron]

That's true, it doesn't; I was hoping you'd come up with some wild theories based around the Rings before I had to tell you that they have nothing to do with it. :) But they have nothing to do with it.

Every clue includes both a straight part and a cryptic clue to the name. They are always separated by the = sign, though not necessarily always the same way round. Oh, and the elements are never part of the cryptic clue; think of them as bonus and very vague straight hints. (For instance, Lenwe lived in the woods...)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. The only thing I can find 8 of is the Aratar.

2. There are ten beacons. The last of them (going west to east) is Minlos.

[Pervinca Took]

However, I wonder if 4 could be Amon Lontir (the first beacon going west to east). Because:

1. Connected with fire.
2. Contains TAR (sailor) for salt (not green as a salt is an old sailor, not a young, green one).
3. Contains IN.

Monlo for spot? Oh, I don't know.

[Pervinca Took]

Then again, 4 could be Ancalagon, which contains NaCl, a + a for 1 twice ....

[Huinesoron]

#1: But can you find 8 and 19 of them? (No. The answer's no.)

No beacons, no dragons (that wouldn't have worked anyway; you were taking anagram parts from both sides of the =.). But I am indeed a chemist.

hS

[Galadriel55]

Fiddling with ur as in your as in not my finally gave 2. EARENDUR, tenth and last King of Arnor as a single kingdom.

[Galadriel55]

1. I'm tempted in the direction of kings that end in -dacil or even -andil. What I don't understand is where the rest of the clue comes from - the other half of the equation is not supposed to contribute to the cryptic part.

[Galadriel55]

Oh! Romendacil, as in Roman 649?

[Pervinca Took]

Flipping heck! Well spotted, G55!

If it's right, the only regular password I can currently see is RINGIL.

[Pervinca Took]

But I am indeed a chemist.

hS

Insert Carly Simon's famous line here. :D

[Huinesoron]

1.R omendacil - Element of stone: 8 + 19 = 649 (with extra A)
2. E arendur - Element of discord: Cob + final + not my = last of 10.
3. Element of green: Not B = cog + +/-
4. Element of fire: Salt (not green) + spot (not out) = 1, and also 1
5. Element of water: First title + first name = first blasphemy.
6.L ENWE - Element of wood: Borrow I... - 500 = father of the namesake of the last before the king

And just as Earendur was Arnorian king #10, Romendacil was Gondorian kings #8 and 19. :)

Not Ringil. The password is connected to the theme.

Oh, #5 kind of doesn't have a cryptic half. It's pretty much straight.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Regnal?

[Huinesoron]

1.R OMENDACIL - Element of stone: 8 + 19 = 649 (with extra A)
2. E ARENDUR - Element of discord: Cob + final + not my = last of 10.
3. G - Element of green: Not B = cog + +/-
4. N - Element of fire: Salt (not green) + spot (not out) = 1, and also 1
5. A - Element of water: First title + first name = first blasphemy.
6.L ENWE - Element of wood: Borrow I... - 500 = father of the namesake of the last before the king

Nice catch, Pervinca! Three to go.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

I only even tried that/knew of the word (through looking up synonyms) because I once used it as a (wrong) password guess for your horse-racing kings puzzle. I didn't think for one moment it would be correct!

...

I think Lenwe was a lord/leader (of the Nandor) rather than a king. So perhaps the answers just have to be those who rule/lead, but not necessarily kings?

[Pervinca Took]

4. N - Element of fire: Salt (not green) + spot (not out) = 1, and also 1.

I think this is NAIN. I guess chlorine is green, so take the green bit out of NaCl and add 'in.' No idea about the 'spot' bit.

1 + 1 ... I and AN/A?

No idea about the fire element, either. Except two letters of 'naur' are in it.

[Huinesoron]

1.R OMENDACIL - Element of stone: 8 + 19 = 649 (with extra A)
2.E ARENDUR - Element of discord: Cob + final + not my = last of 10.
3.G - Element of green: Not B = cog + +/-
4.N AIN - Element of fire: Salt (not green) + spot (not out) = 1, and also 1
5.A - Element of water: First title + first name = first blasphemy.
6.L ENWE - Element of wood: Borrow I... - 500 = father of the namesake of the last before the king

Na + the spot(=location) which is not out (ie, 'in'). The Nain I'm thinking of was the first of his name in Durin's line... and reigned for only a single year, before being killed by a balrog. 1, and also 1, and also fire. :)

(He would have been stone, but Gondor already stole that.)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Now, when I thought the password was Ringil, I thought 6 had something to do with Imin, the first elf to wake.

I think Adam must have something to do with it. There are only two names I could find with Adam in them. One of them is AMANDIL.

[Pervinca Took]

If a cog can be an iron, the G one could possibly be GIRION.

[Huinesoron]

1.R OMENDACIL - Element of stone: 8 + 19 = 649 (with extra A)
2.E ARENDUR - Element of discord: Cob + final + not my = last of 10.
3.G IRION - Element of green: Not B = cog + +/-
4.N AIN - Element of fire: Salt (not green) + spot (not out) = 1, and also 1
5.A - Element of water: First title + first name = first blasphemy.
6.L ENWE - Element of wood: Borrow I... - 500 = father of the namesake of the last before the king

A cog may be an iron, but it's definitely a gear, and a particle with a positive or negative charge is an ion. Gear-ion. ^_^ (He's also the only lord or king of Dale whose name doesn't start with a B.)

#5 has nothing to do with Adam. It's an entirely in-universe clue. And the first title was not originally given to the subject of the clue.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

I tried gear first, but couldn't find what to do with the E.

[Pervinca Took]

Ar- Pharazon?

[Huinesoron]

I tried gear first, but couldn't find what to do with the E.

It's just the pronunciation. "Gir" and "Gear" sound pretty much the same.

Ar- Pharazon?

Close! Look around there for some firsts. :)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Maybe the blasphemy is to do with not observing prayer and silence on the Meneltarma. (The first to usurp the throne might also fit the bill, if usurping counts as blasphemy ... it was certainly regarded as evil).

[Huinesoron]

Nah, it's all about the name. ^_^

hS

[Pervinca Took]

You mean the first to have a certain name, not the first to commit blasphemy?

[Huinesoron]

The first to commit this blasphemy, certainly.

(In some contexts 'first' might also mean 'preeminent'.)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1.R OMENDACIL - Element of stone: 8 + 19 = 649 (with extra A)
2.E ARENDUR - Element of discord: Cob + final + not my = last of 10.
3.G IRION - Element of green: Not B = cog + +/-
4.N AIN - Element of fire: Salt (not green) + spot (not out) = 1, and also 1
5.A - Element of water: First title + first name = first blasphemy.
6.L ENWE - Element of wood: Borrow I... - 500 = father of the namesake of the last before the king

Maybe number 5 is (Tar-) Atanamir. The first to speak against the Ban of the Valar, and also the first (and I think it said all others followed him in this ... in Numenor, that is) to refuse to hand over the kingship while still strong in mind and body.

Regarding titles, he was also known (or came to be known) as 'the Great' and 'the Unwilling.'

[Huinesoron]

Ooh, you're getting... further away, actually. ^_^ I always get the Numenorean kings muddled up.

The first name is not about the name itself, but something about it (if that makes sense). And the blasphemy is bigger than the one you suggest.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Annatar?

[Huinesoron]

Okay, not quite that blasphemous. :eek: Actually, not even as blasphemous as Pharazon, though definitely heading towards the same path.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Looking at a few other possibilities, then ...

... apparently Ar-Adunakhor's name is blasphemous, because it means 'Lord of the West.'

I think he may have been the first to take an Adunaic name, too, but I've never learnt a smartphone equivalent of CONTROL-TAB.

[Huinesoron]

1.R OMENDACIL - Element of stone: 8 + 19 = 649 (with extra A)
2.E ARENDUR - Element of discord: Cob + final + not my = last of 10.
3.G IRION - Element of green: Not B = cog + +/-
4.N AIN - Element of fire: Salt (not green) + spot (not out) = 1, and also 1
5.A R-ADUNAKHOR - Element of water: First title + first name = first blasphemy.
6.L ENWE - Element of wood: Borrow I... - 500 = father of the namesake of the last before the king

[Theme: Kings and Rulers]

And of course 'Lord of the West' was specifically blasphemy because it was a title given to Manwe, and therefore preemiment/foremost/first.

Good job!

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Good puzzle!

Here's the next one:

1. She’s only German around us, subjectively.
2. ... for mortal men, in trouble? Alternatively, for a woman.
3. Shroud him.
4. He’s small fry between vowels and liquid.
5. More citruslike, or a French sleuth? Confound her!
6. She rotates novel shelter.
7. Implement, aspirate, mingle for him!
8. Gleaming, resplendent things!
9. He puts an impolite spin on a fish’s appendage.
10. Signal backwards? Tor splits apart and mingles a little before he appears.
11. She’s ruddy and healthy: yes, both - combined!
12. He stepped, mark! Confusticate it!
13. Attila gives first to one of his own? Beast!
14. Sibilants swallow confectionery for him.

[Huinesoron]

"Right... where to begin?" ~Bilbo Baggins

#9 feels like it must be one of the Fins: Fingolfin, Finarfin, Finwe, Fingon... can't fit any of them to the other half of the clue, though.

#2 suggests the answer includes an anagram of Nine, and is female, so... Nienna?

I really love the simplicity of #3, though I have no idea what the answer is at this point. ^_^

hS

[Pervinca Took]

#9 feels like it must be one of the Fins: Fingolfin, Finarfin, Finwe, Fingon... can't fit any of them to the other half of the clue, though.

'Fin' is correct, but in the wrong place.

#2 suggests the answer includes an anagram of Nine, and is female, so... Nienna?

You're right about nine, but it's not Nienna. There is another element in the clue to include.

I really love the simplicity of #3, though I have no idea what the answer is at this point. ^_^

:D

[Huinesoron]

#2: Ah! Nienor, with 'or' = 'alternatively'.

#9 could be Curufin - 'cur' is an insult, which is certainly impolite.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. She’s only German around us, subjectively.
NIENOR: ... for mortal men, in trouble? Alternatively, for a woman.
3. Shroud him.
4. He’s small fry between vowels and liquid.
5. More citruslike, or a French sleuth? Confound her!
6. She rotates novel shelter.
7. Implement, aspirate, mingle for him!
8. Gleaming, resplendent things!
9. He puts an impolite spin on a fish’s appendage.
10. Signal backwards? Tor splits apart and mingles a little before he appears.
11. She’s ruddy and healthy: yes, both - combined!
12. He stepped, mark! Confusticate it!
13. Attila gives first to one of his own? Beast!
14. Sibilants swallow confectionery for him.

'Cur' is not the 'impolite' element of clue 9, I'm afraid.

[Huinesoron]

#7: An implement is a tool, and I think h is an aspirated sound, so... LOTHO?

13: Hun + A (from Atilla) gives us a beast indeed: HUAN is here.

(For #5 I am currently trying to find an answer from 'Lemonier' and 'Clouseau'. It isn't going well. :-/)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. She’s only German around us, subjectively.
NIENOR: ... for mortal men, in trouble? Alternatively, for a woman.
3. Shroud him.
4. He’s small fry between vowels and liquid.
5. More citruslike, or a French sleuth? Confound her!
6. She rotates novel shelter.
LOTHO: Implement, aspirate, mingle for him!
8. Gleaming, resplendent things!
9. He puts an impolite spin on a fish’s appendage.
10. Signal backwards? Tor splits apart and mingles a little before he appears.
11. She’s ruddy and healthy: yes, both - combined!
12. He stepped, mark! Confusticate it!
HUAN: Attila gives first to one of his own? Beast!
14. Sibilants swallow confectionery for him.

Lemonier is surprisingly close. ;) Perhaps search by language rather than nomenclature?

[Huinesoron]

#9: Perhaps GLORFINDEL? He's got the fin, and the rest of his name is nearly an anagram ('spin') of 'growled'.

#5: I'm not looking bewilderedly at 'lemonier gendarm'. It's pretty close to being an anagram of 'legendarium', but I don't think Tolkien ever said the mythos was female. :D

hS

[Pervinca Took]

You had 'fin' in the right place with Curufin. You just need to change the first syllable. Try a very easy synonym of 'impolite.'

For the other, try looking up the French word for 'sleuth.'

[Huinesoron]

But Rudofin is not in the books. :(

There's always GRUFFO BOFFIN, who is gruffly impolite, and has a fin in the right place.

I also poked Bladorthin, who kind of has 'bad', and kind of still has 'fin', if you can't spell very well.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Change just the FIRST syllable.

And since when did rude have an o in it? ;)

If you're still stuck, look amongst the lamented dead of Rohan. [EDIT: Sorry, Gondor].

P.S. Rudofin would be a great name, though!

[Nerwen]

Derufin.

[Pervinca Took]

1. She’s only German around us, subjectively.
NIENOR: ... for mortal men, in trouble? Alternatively, for a woman.
3. Shroud him.
4. He’s small fry between vowels and liquid.
5. More citruslike, or a French sleuth? Confound her!
6. She rotates novel shelter.
LOTHO: Implement, aspirate, mingle for him!
8. Gleaming, resplendent things!
DERUFIN: He puts an impolite spin on a fish’s appendage.
10. Signal backwards? Tor splits apart and mingles a little before he appears.
11. She’s ruddy and healthy: yes, both - combined!
12. He stepped, mark! Confusticate it!
HUAN: Attila gives first to one of his own? Beast!
14. Sibilants swallow confectionery for him.

[Urwen]

Could the #3 be Turin? There's an object called Shroud of Turin....

[Pervinca Took]

1. She’s only German around us, subjectively.
NIENOR: ... for mortal men, in trouble? Alternatively, for a woman.
TURIN: Shroud him.
4. He’s small fry between vowels and liquid.
5. More citruslike, or a French sleuth? Confound her!
6. She rotates novel shelter.
LOTHO: Implement, aspirate, mingle for him!
8. Gleaming, resplendent things!
DERUFIN: He puts an impolite spin on a fish’s appendage.
10. Signal backwards? Tor splits apart and mingles a little before he appears.
11. She’s ruddy and healthy: yes, both - combined!
12. He stepped, mark! Confusticate it!
HUAN: Attila gives first to one of his own? Beast!
14. Sibilants swallow confectionery for him.

Indeed it is. :)

Long time no see, Urwen!

[Nerwen]

#5 is Míriel (LIMIER).

[Pervinca Took]

1. She’s only German around us, subjectively.
NIENOR: ... for mortal men, in trouble? Alternatively, for a woman.
TURIN: Shroud him.
4. He’s small fry between vowels and liquid.
MIRIEL: More citruslike, or a French sleuth? Confound her!
6. She rotates novel shelter.
LOTHO: Implement, aspirate, mingle for him!
8. Gleaming, resplendent things!
DERUFIN: He puts an impolite spin on a fish’s appendage.
10. Signal backwards? Tor splits apart and mingles a little before he appears.
11. She’s ruddy and healthy: yes, both - combined!
12. He stepped, mark! Confusticate it!
HUAN: Attila gives first to one of his own? Beast!
14. Sibilants swallow confectionery for him.

[Huinesoron]

Ah! Is the password perchance UNTIMELY DEATHS?

I really then want #8 to be a reference to the Two Trees, but can't find a name for them that starts with Y. It could be YAVANNAMIRE, the 'jeweled' trees that grew only in Numenor (and thus were lost in the Downfall), but I'm not terribly confident of that.

EDIT: #12 could just about be THEODEN; he's the lord of the Mark, and his name is very close to trodden with he injected into it.

hS

PS: 'Derufin'?! It's not often I run into a name I don't even recognise... clearly I have unfairly slighted the lords of southern Gondor.

[Pervinca Took]

U: She’s only German around us, subjectively.
NIENOR: ... for mortal men, in trouble? Alternatively, for a woman.
TURIN: Shroud him.
I: He’s small fry between vowels and liquid.
MIRIEL: More citruslike, or a French sleuth? Confound her!
E: She rotates novel shelter.
LOTHO: Implement, aspirate, mingle for him!
YAVANNA'S TREES: Gleaming, resplendent things!
DERUFIN: He puts an impolite spin on a fish’s appendage.
E: Signal backwards? Tor splits apart and mingles a little before he appears.
A: She’s ruddy and healthy: yes, both - combined!
T: He stepped, mark! Confusticate it!
HUAN: Attila gives first to one of his own? Beast!
S: Sibilants swallow confectionery for him.

Well done, Huinesoron! (I can already hear you plotting your revenge for this one :D).

You can have Yavanna's Trees (as Morgoth said to Shelob ...) ... it's not as if it's an official name for them. It was the only way I could get an untimely deceased being starting with Y.

Theoden is close, but I don't do 'nearly' clues. I always account for every single letter. (But in addition, the Tolkienien connotation of 'mark' (Mark) *might* just be an added fluke).

P.S. Poor Derufin! But to be honest, he really owes his place here to the BBC sung version of that Lament. 'Nor the tall bowmen, Derufin and Duilin' is an especially haunting line, melodically.

[Nerwen]

AREDHEL for #11? (RED + HALE).

[Nerwen]

ELENWË for #6? (NEW + LEE).

And I think #12 is THÉODRED. (HEED + TROD).

[Pervinca Took]

U: She’s only German around us, subjectively.
NIENOR: ... for mortal men, in trouble? Alternatively, for a woman.
TURIN: Shroud him.
I: He’s small fry between vowels and liquid.
MIRIEL: More citruslike, or a French sleuth? Confound her!
ELENWE: She rotates novel shelter.
LOTHO: Implement, aspirate, mingle for him!
YAVANNA'S TREES: Gleaming, resplendent things!
DERUFIN: He puts an impolite spin on a fish’s appendage.
E: Signal backwards? Tor splits apart and mingles a little before he appears.
AREDHEL: She’s ruddy and healthy: yes, both - combined!
THEODRED: He stepped, mark! Confusticate it!
HUAN: Attila gives first to one of his own? Beast!
S: Sibilants swallow confectionery for him.

P.S. Hs was getting close with 'trodden.'
P.P.S. Had not seen Nerwen's last post.

Edited to include two more correct answers from Nerwen.

[Urwen]

#1 has to be me. The only female I know whose name starts with U.

[Pervinca Took]

URWEN: She’s only German around us, subjectively.
NIENOR: ... for mortal men, in trouble? Alternatively, for a woman.
TURIN: Shroud him.
I: He’s small fry between vowels and liquid.
MIRIEL: More citruslike, or a French sleuth? Confound her!
ELENWE: She rotates novel shelter.
LOTHO: Implement, aspirate, mingle for him!
YAVANNA'S TREES: Gleaming, resplendent things!
DERUFIN: He puts an impolite spin on a fish’s appendage.
E: Signal backwards? Tor splits apart and mingles a little before he appears.
AREDHEL: She’s ruddy and healthy: yes, both - combined!
THEODRED: He stepped, mark! Confusticate it!
HUAN: Attila gives first to one of his own? Beast!
S: Sibilants swallow confectionery for him.

Yes. NUR is the German word for 'only.' Put this around WE, the subject form of the pronoun 'us.'

[Urwen]

Last one could be Saeros?

[Pervinca Took]

It is Saeros. Can you explain why?

[Pervinca Took]

URWEN: She’s only German around us, subjectively.
NIENOR: ... for mortal men, in trouble? Alternatively, for a woman.
TURIN: Shroud him.
I: He’s small fry between vowels and liquid.
MIRIEL: More citruslike, or a French sleuth? Confound her!
ELENWE: She rotates novel shelter.
LOTHO: Implement, aspirate, mingle for him!
YAVANNA'S TREES: Gleaming, resplendent things!
DERUFIN: He puts an impolite spin on a fish’s appendage.
E: Signal backwards? Tor splits apart and mingles a little before he appears.
AREDHEL: She’s ruddy and healthy: yes, both - combined!
THEODRED: He stepped, mark! Confusticate it!
HUAN: Attila gives first to one of his own? Beast!
SAEROS: Sibilants swallow confectionery for him.

[Urwen]

Well, Aero is a chocolate produced by Nestle. Surround that with sibilants, and you get him.

[Pervinca Took]

Quite right. :)

Two to go ....

[Huinesoron]

#4 feels like it should be ISILDUR, which starts with a vowel and ends with a liquid (which I didn't actually know included R); but I can't find any sense in 'sildu'. One or both of the vowels could be removed (because the clue says 'between vowelS'), but the best I can do then is 'slid', which... doesn't have anything to do with frying, chips, or baby fish.

hS

[Nerwen]

#4 feels like it should be ISILDUR, which starts with a vowel and ends with a liquid (which I didn't actually know included R); but I can't find any sense in 'sildu'. One or both of the vowels could be removed (because the clue says 'between vowelS'), but the best I can do then is 'slid', which... doesn't have anything to do with frying, chips, or baby fish.

hS
A "sild", however, is a baby herring...

[Pervinca Took]

URWEN: She’s only German around us, subjectively.
NIENOR: ... for mortal men, in trouble? Alternatively, for a woman.
TURIN: Shroud him.
ISILDUR: He’s small fry between vowels and liquid.
MIRIEL: More citruslike, or a French sleuth? Confound her!
ELENWE: She rotates novel shelter.
LOTHO: Implement, aspirate, mingle for him!
YAVANNA'S TREES: Gleaming, resplendent things!
DERUFIN: He puts an impolite spin on a fish’s appendage.
E: Signal backwards? Tor splits apart and mingles a little before he appears.
AREDHEL: She’s ruddy and healthy: yes, both - combined!
THEODRED: He stepped, mark! Confusticate it!
HUAN: Attila gives first to one of his own? Beast!
SAEROS: Sibilants swallow confectionery for him.

Indeed.

One to go!

[Pervinca Took]

HINT:

The remaining character is not obscure, but this is not the main/best-known name for him. And it's made up of two synonyms (each of the two being a synonym of a word in the clue, I mean).

[Huinesoron]

The hint points strongly at EREINION, but I can't find a single anagram for anything useful in there.

Poking through the rest of House Finwe, Middle-earth's #1 source of extraneous names (Aragorn notwithstanding), doesn't shake loose anything obvious. It's shocking how few E- names there are in there, actually.

(It's also shocking how many of them died early. Of Finwe's 15 Silm-canon grandchildren, only Galadriel and Maglor survive the First Age!)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Just to get it on this page:

URWEN: She’s only German around us, subjectively.
NIENOR: ... for mortal men, in trouble? Alternatively, for a woman.
TURIN: Shroud him.
ISILDUR: He’s small fry between vowels and liquid.
MIRIEL: More citruslike, or a French sleuth? Confound her!
ELENWE: She rotates novel shelter.
LOTHO: Implement, aspirate, mingle for him!
YAVANNA'S TREES: Gleaming, resplendent things!
DERUFIN: He puts an impolite spin on a fish’s appendage.
E: Signal backwards? Tor splits apart and mingles a little before he appears.
AREDHEL: She’s ruddy and healthy: yes, both - combined!
THEODRED: He stepped, mark! Confusticate it!
HUAN: Attila gives first to one of his own? Beast!
SAEROS: Sibilants swallow confectionery for him.

Not Ereinion, I'm afraid.

And not Finwe's house, as I think you have guessed.

The chap I'm looking for was the very first of a certain kind.

[Urwen]

Earendur?


DUNE+REAR

[Pervinca Took]

Good try, but no.

[Galadriel55]

Erchamion? No real justification, just clutching at untimely dead E epesses/alternative names.

[Pervinca Took]

No, but the closest guess yet. *Very* close kindred to the guy I'm looking for.

[Nerwen]

Dior ELUCHÍL? ("CUE" + "HILL).

[Pervinca Took]

Precisely!

URWEN: She’s only German around us, subjectively.
NIENOR: ... for mortal men, in trouble? Alternatively, for a woman.
TURIN: Shroud him.
ISILDUR: He’s small fry between vowels and liquid.
MIRIEL: More citruslike, or a French sleuth? Confound her!
ELENWE: She rotates novel shelter.
LOTHO: Implement, aspirate, mingle for him!
YAVANNA'S TREES: Gleaming, resplendent things!
DERUFIN: He puts an impolite spin on a fish’s appendage.
ELUCHIL: Signal backwards? Tor splits apart and mingles a little before he appears.
AREDHEL: She’s ruddy and healthy: yes, both - combined!
THEODRED: He stepped, mark! Confusticate it!
HUAN: Attila gives first to one of his own? Beast!
SAEROS: Sibilants swallow confectionery for him.

Over to Huinesoron.

[Huinesoron]

Pervinca - that was excellent! I still really like the Turin clue, and the Urwen one is a masterpiece that wastes exactly no words.

Mine... doesn't do that. ^_^

1. Morwen's daughter, sent away - A hobbit disenvowelled by everything - First contact (for many)
2. Lorien's unwitting betrayer - The classic dawn bird - The world turned upside-down
3. Mrs. Bilbo - A shiny rock, or perhaps a bit more like me - The first of its kind (ever)
4. The only female Nazgul - I'm out, I tripped (accented) - Under the iron crown
5. The princess of the shore - A Latin rock, an Elvish maid - Darkness in the darkness
6. Legolas' first best friend, but in real life... - Not a Maia, not a flower, and definitely not genderbent Orome - Just below Erebor

Each clue has three parts; I won't tell you what they correspond to, but for kindness' sake, I have put the three parts in the same order every time.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Glad you liked it, Hs. BTW, when you have a moment, could you tell us what the 'elements' were on your last password? Like the 'wood' one was because he lived in a wood? I got some of them, but not all.

...

Well ... I guess each clue starts with a person. Then there's a thing. Then another thing.

1. Nienor? / ... / ...
2. ... / lark?/ ...

5. Finduilas of Dol Amroth? / petra? / ...
6. .../ .../ Dale?

[Huinesoron]

Sadly none of those are right. :( (Each number does eventually give a single answer which provides a letter of the password.)

From last time:

Romendacil - Element of stone, as a king of Gondor, the Land of Stone.
Earendur - Element of discord, as the king whose reign saw the final days of a united Arnor.
Girion - Element of green, for his emerald necklace.
Nain - Element of fire, for being killed by a Balrog.
Ar-Adunakhor - Element of water, as king of the island nation of Numenor.
Lenwe - Element of wood, because he lived in the woods.

It wasn't quite pure 'where they live', though that was the original idea - but too many of them lived in rocky places! So I expanded it to 'something about them'. The elements were added to hopefully offer a bit more of a hint than the convoluted maths of the rest of the clues.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Thank you.

...

If one but knew which hobbit to disenvowel!

Is there a straight part to the clues, though? Or do we have to assemble three cryptic bits and hope for the best?

[Nerwen]

Clearly #4 is Tar-Telperiën.;)

[Huinesoron]

Is there a straight part to the clues, though? Or do we have to assemble three cryptic bits and hope for the best?

There is a straight part to the clues. I actually very nearly only gave straight clues, but decided to give you a chance to construct the answers if necessary.

Clearly #4 is Tar-Telperiën.;)

:D! On this occasion, sadly not, tempting though it was. (Hmm, future password idea: 'people who might be Nazgul' :D)

hS

[Galadriel55]

There is a straight part to the clues. I actually very nearly only gave straight clues, but decided to give you a chance to construct the answers if necessary.

Yeah, the trick now is to decide which part is straight and which is cryptic. :D

(Hmm, future password idea: 'people who might be Nazgul' :D)

The next door neighbours!

Also, disenvowelled is a fun word.

5. Princess of the shore - Erendis? Elwing? Wonder what the Latin part is. But if it's not rock=petra, maybe it's "a" in Latin? I shall need help here, there are possibilities. Unus can be a/an/one. Google Translate suggests is, quod, and quidam. Except for -is, they don't look promising.

[Huinesoron]

Neither Erendis nor Elwing.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

My first thought for the shore girl was Firiel.

[Huinesoron]

Not Firiel.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Lothiriel?

And there's a musical subgenre called Latin Rock.

[Huinesoron]

Not her either.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Morwen's daughter could also be Niniel, but I utterly fail to see what else it could be. Unless the 'sent away' is metaphorical for the plague and it's Urwen/Lalaith.

[Nerwen]

Are any of the component guesses right? E.g. Pervinca guessed "lark" as the "classic dawn bird".

Or is that N/A because of however these clues actually work?

[Huinesoron]

The clues consist (in some order) of a straight clue to a name, a cryptic clue to the same name, and... something else helpful. So any of the parts will lead to a Middle-earth-related term.

Unfortunately, no-one has come close to any of those, including in the component guesses. So far as I can see at a quick scan, the only two guesses which are close in both time and space to the relevant answers are 'Dale' and, hilariously, 'Tar-Telperien'. Though both of those come with big caveats - respectively, 'not in that sense' and 'not that name then'.

hS

(Two facts which spring out of this: 1) you haven't found the right shore yet, and 2) the Morwen in the clue is not Turin's mother.)

[Pervinca Took]

I did have a feeling there were two Morwens, but didn't have time to look this up properly.

...

There is another Morwen, but the only offspring of hers that we know about is her grandson Egalmoth.

There is a FILM Morwen, of course, with a very irritating daughter called Freda.

[Nerwen]

I did have a feeling there were two Morwens, but didn't have time to look this up properly.

...

There is another Morwen, but the only offspring of hers that we know about is her grandson Egalmoth.

There is a FILM Morwen, of course, with a very irritating daughter called Freda.
You've missed one- there's also Morwen of Lossarnach, mother of Théoden and Théodwyn.

[Pervinca Took]

Now that rings a bell.

Why doesn't she appear on the websites? Probably only mentioned under Theoden.

[Huinesoron]

1. FREDA - Morwen's daughter, sent away - A hobbit disenvowelled by everything - First contact (for many)
2. Lorien's unwitting betrayer - The classic dawn bird - The world turned upside-down
3. Mrs. Bilbo - A shiny rock, or perhaps a bit more like me - The first of its kind (ever)
4. The only female Nazgul - I'm out, I tripped (accented) - Under the iron crown
5. The princess of the shore - A Latin rock, an Elvish maid - Darkness in the darkness
6. Legolas' first best friend, but in real life... - Not a Maia, not a flower, and definitely not genderbent Orome - Just below Erebor

Well found, Pervinca.

:D:D:D

(Frodo, with the vowels switched to 'Ea'.)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Oy mate ... hasn't Frodo been through enough without being disenvowelled as well? :( ;)

By everything? What is the everything?

First contact? Because we see most of the story through Frodo's eyes?

...

5 could be MEE. ('Little Princess Mee / Lovely was she.')

[Nerwen]

Oh, so some of the clues refer to the films... and perhaps the actors? Is "Mrs Bilbo" the wife of Ian Holm, or Martin Freeman? (If any- I don't know anything about their private lives).

[Galadriel55]

I thought that first contact for many implied that clue in particular referred to a movie character, because for many people they were the first contact with Tolkien.

And everything = Ea, the vowels that replace O's.

[Galadriel55]

Though on second thought, what if Nerwen is right and multiple clues refer to movies? The last one could be Tauriel. With a reference to Tauron aka Orome. And a movie tie to Legolas.


In real life though - the actress? Who was it again, Lily (not a flower)?

[Pervinca Took]

I thought that first contact for many implied that clue in particular referred to a movie character, because for many people they were the first contact with Tolkien.

And everything = Ea, the vowels that replace O's.

I know it's EA. Was just wondering why it's 'everything' ... is it because everything began when Eru said 'Ea?'

[Pervinca Took]

Martin Freeman was married to Amanda Abbingdon. Ian Holm is married to Sophie Stemple, I think (a photographer).

[Pervinca Took]

"According to IMDB, the Nazgûl were portrayed by the following actors throughout the trilogy:*Victoria Beynon-Cole,*Lee Hartley,*Sam La Hood,*Chris Streeter,*Phil Grieve,*Jonathan Jordan,*Semi Kuresa,*Clinton Ulyatt,*Paul Bryson,*Lance Fabian Kemp,*Jono Manks, and*Ben Price. Thomas McGinty and Kate O'Rourke are uncredited. It is unknown which one of them portrayed which Nazgûl."

Found on LOTR wikia or something (by googling).

Fran Walsh did the Nazgul shrieks.

[Pervinca Took]

Maybe the dawn bird is not a 'breed' of bird but the EARLY bird which always catches the worm; hence a classic dawn bird.

But how that would relate to the rest of the clue, I could not say.

[Pervinca Took]

Just an idea for the password ...

If the last one IS Tauriel ...

And if all or some clues are film-based ...

Could the password be FIGWIT?

That might support the Lorien clue being Irmo, but can't make the rest of that clue work.

[Nerwen]

Martin Freeman was married to Amanda Abbingdon. Ian Holm is married to Sophie Stemple, I think (a photographer).
Let's try AMANDA/ADAMAN(T) or A MAN/AN ADAM.

(Which makes me think of the old joke about "Adamant" being the first insect).

"According to IMDB, the Nazgûl were portrayed by the following actors throughout the trilogy:*Victoria Beynon-Cole,*Lee Hartley,*Sam La Hood,*Chris Streeter,*Phil Grieve,*Jonathan Jordan,*Semi Kuresa,*Clinton Ulyatt,*Paul Bryson,*Lance Fabian Kemp,*Jono Manks, and*Ben Price. Thomas McGinty and Kate O'Rourke are uncredited. It is unknown which one of them portrayed which Nazgûl."

Found on LOTR wikia or something (by googling).

Fran Walsh did the Nazgul shrieks.
Too many candidates, then- but perhaps Huey didn't know about all of them...

[Huinesoron]

Not Mee (though Princess Mee may actually be somewhat linked to a different answer, I'm not sure), not an actor's wife, not any of the Nazgul acresses (though I didn't know Fran Walsh did the shrieks! That's amazing), not any variant on Amanda, and the password isn't Figwit (though, XD).

But I will give Galadriel55 #6:

1. FREDA - Morwen's daughter, sent away - A hobbit disenvowelled by everything - First contact (for many)
2. Lorien's unwitting betrayer - The classic dawn bird - The world turned upside-down
3. Mrs. Bilbo - A shiny rock, or perhaps a bit more like me - The first of its kind (ever)
4. The only female Nazgul - I'm out, I tripped (accented) - Under the iron crown
5. The princess of the shore - A Latin rock, an Elvish maid - Darkness in the darkness
6. EVANGELINE LILLY'S TAURIEL - Legolas' first best friend, but in real life... - Not a Maia, not a flower, and definitely not genderbent Orome - Just below Erebor

(What? I needed an E!)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

An unconfident guess at FAERIE, then.

[Huinesoron]

Not Faerie, and I've just noticed Irmo was a wrong guess earlier, too. The 'early bird' isn't in there, either.

G55 was right that the 'first contact' part refers to The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers movie. And Pervinca, 'Eä!' is not just the invocation that brought the universe into existence, but also the name for creation as a whole.

And, let's see... there is still one more movie clue, though probably not the movie you're thinking of.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Well, Mrs Bilbo could be Mary Morstan, Watson's screen wife. The actress was his real wife in real life, but Mary wasn't.

Unfortunately, Sherlock is a TV show, not a movie.

Could say the same of Homily Clock, wife of Pod Clock in The Borrowers ... played by Ian Holm and his then wife, Penelope Wilton.

That was a TV show too ....

[Huinesoron]

Putting it on the page:

1. FREDA - Morwen's daughter, sent away - A hobbit disenvowelled by everything - First contact (for many)
2. Lorien's unwitting betrayer - The classic dawn bird - The world turned upside-down
3. Mrs. Bilbo - A shiny rock, or perhaps a bit more like me - The first of its kind (ever)
4. The only female Nazgul - I'm out, I tripped (accented) - Under the iron crown
5. The princess of the shore - A Latin rock, an Elvish maid - Darkness in the darkness
6. EVANGELINE LILLY'S TAURIEL - Legolas' first best friend, but in real life... - Not a Maia, not a flower, and definitely not genderbent Orome - Just below Erebor

None of them; all of the remaining answers are directly a part of Middle-earth. I only snuck in Evangeline Lilly's name because I needed the E, and she was playing a Middle-earth character at the time. :)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Hang on ... the password isn't FEMALE, is it?

[Huinesoron]

1. FREDA - Morwen's daughter, sent away - A hobbit disenvowelled by everything - First contact (for many)
2. E - Lorien's unwitting betrayer - The classic dawn bird - The world turned upside-down
3. M - Mrs. Bilbo - A shiny rock, or perhaps a bit more like me - The first of its kind (ever)
4. A - The only female Nazgul - I'm out, I tripped (accented) - Under the iron crown
5. L - The princess of the shore - A Latin rock, an Elvish maid - Darkness in the darkness
6. EVANGELINE LILLY'S TAURIEL - Legolas' first best friend, but in real life... - Not a Maia, not a flower, and definitely not genderbent Orome - Just below Erebor

It is! Very well done.

So finding the rest of the answers should be simple. :D

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Did LUTHIEN and Beren live on a kind of island (which would have a shore) when they were in the Land of the Dead that Live?

And wasn't she darkness going into darkness as Thuringwethil into Angband?

...

And did ESTE ever accidentally betray Irmo/Lorien?

[Nerwen]

#4 Must be Adûnaphel, name given to the only female Nazgûl according to Iron Crown Enterprises. (Is the middle bit supposed to be a sound alike for "I'm down, I fell")?

[Huinesoron]

Neither Luthien or Este (though you're right, Luthien and Beren lived around Tol... Galen, I think?), but...

1. FREDA - Morwen's daughter, sent away - A hobbit disenvowelled by everything - First contact (for many) (LotR: TTT (Movie))
2. E - Lorien's unwitting betrayer - The classic dawn bird - The world turned upside-down
3. M - Mrs. Bilbo - A shiny rock, or perhaps a bit more like me - The first of its kind (ever)
4. ADUNAPHEL - The only female Nazgul - I'm out, I tripped (accented) - Under the iron crown (Iron Crown Enterprises' MERP)
5. L - The princess of the shore - A Latin rock, an Elvish maid - Darkness in the darkness
6. EVANGELINE LILLY'S TAURIEL - Legolas' first best friend, but in real life... - Not a Maia, not a flower, and definitely not genderbent Orome - Just below Erebor (The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug)

Nerwen, that's exactly the soundalike I was going for. ^_^

hS

[Pervinca Took]

I looked up shiny rocks. There is a shiny mineral called Magnetite.

Not that that helps at all!

Could we have a clue, please?

[Huinesoron]

#2: For 'classic' you might want to read 'classical'.
#3: Have you worked out what the third part of the clues is telling you about yet?
#5: You might have more luck finding her mother, if you can work out her title.

hS

PS: No, it's not magnetite. The rock I'm thinking of can actually be transparent under some circumstances.

[Nerwen]

It looks as if the third part of the clues refers to the source- is that right?

[Pervinca Took]

And the third part of E seems to suggest the War of Wrath, but Este was a wrong guess and Eonwe is male.

There's ELBERETH ....

Or is it ELWING, in bird form?

[Huinesoron]

It looks as if the third part of the clues refers to the source- is that right?

Yep. And the sources listed so far have something in common - or, more precisely, there's something (someone?) they don't have in common.

And the third part of E seems to suggest the War of Wrath, but Este was a wrong guess and Eonwe is male.

There's ELBERETH ....

Or is it ELWING, in bird form?

I'm afraid not, though frankly wrath is a fair response to this character. For 'source', you're not looking for events in Middle-earth...

hS

[Nerwen]

Is the "something" Tolkien- i.e. they're all adaptations?

[Nerwen]

Assuming I'm right about that, I believe the "princess of the shore" is Lithariel from "Shadow of Mordor".

[Huinesoron]

Is the "something" Tolkien- i.e. they're all adaptations?

Precisely. Well, adaptations or 'inspired by's, since...

Assuming I'm right about that, I believe the "princess of the shore" is Lithariel from "Shadow of Mordor".

Yep!

1. FREDA - Morwen's daughter, sent away - A hobbit disenvowelled by everything - First contact (for many) (LotR: TTT (Movie))
2. E - Lorien's unwitting betrayer - The classic dawn bird - The world turned upside-down
3. M - Mrs. Bilbo - A shiny rock, or perhaps a bit more like me - The first of its kind (ever)
4. ADUNAPHEL - The only female Nazgul - I'm out, I tripped (accented) - Under the iron crown (Iron Crown Enterprises' MERP)
5. LITHARIEL - The princess of the shore - A Latin rock, an Elvish maid - Darkness in the darkness (Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor)
6. EVANGELINE LILLY'S TAURIEL - Legolas' first best friend, but in real life... - Not a Maia, not a flower, and definitely not genderbent Orome - Just below Erebor (The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug)

I'm actually playing this at the moment. Provided you ignore the entire plot, it's not too bad... :D Lithariel's first appearance was the moment I turned round and announced "I've just been recruited by an elf princess from Nurn." She's not actually an elf, so goodness knows what she's doing with that name...

Anyway, Lithariel, lith + iel.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Maybe they don't have Tolkien in common, at least directly?

Although you said there were no more 'film' clues.

There was an invented elf-maiden in the LOTR musical, called ELRANIEN.

She didn't betray Lorien, though.

What is Shadow of Mordor?

(The unedited version of this post was a cross-post).

...

Is 'lith' elvish for something?

[Huinesoron]

Maybe they don't have Tolkien in common, at least directly?

Precisely. :)

Although you said there were no more 'film' clues.

I think I said there was one left, actually.

There was an invented elf-maiden in the LOTR musical, called ELRANIEN.

She didn't betray Lorien, though.

:O I forgot about the musical! I'd much have preferred her to Evangeline Lilly.

What is Shadow of Mordor?

A 2014 'action-adventure' computer game; by and large it's an orc-killing simulator. It's set (brace yourself) in Mordor just after Sauron returns and turfs out the Gondorian settlers... after being driven from Dol Guldur in The Hobbit. The entire second half is set in the lush green lands around the Sea of Nurn.

You play as an undead Gondorian ranger possessed by the spirit of Celebrimbor. Who's blatantly evil, and according to one set of missions, may have stormed Mordor back in the Second Age, stolen the Ring from Sauron, and attempted to take the whole place over.

Oh, and Gollum shows up. He likes ghost!Celebrimbor.

I told you you had to ignore the plot... :D

(The unedited version of this post was a cross-post).

...

Is 'lith' elvish for something?

'Lith' is from the Latin/Greek for stone; it shows up a lot in words like monolith, neolithic, lithosphere, and indeed (chemist!) lithium.

hS

[Galadriel55]

The first of its kind ever - possibly referring to the first adaptations?

In a search for answers I found this (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle-earth_in_film), where I discovered a great amount of disturbing details about the plots of early film attempts. Can't see a Mrs. Bilbo though.

[Pervinca Took]

Tolkien thought of giving Bilbo a wife, of course, and making the hero of LOTR his son, but decided against it. AFAIK, he never created a wife for him or gave her a name.

I believe years ago there was a computer game of The Hobbit. Was there a Mrs Bilbo in that?

[Huinesoron]

The first of its kind ever - possibly referring to the first adaptations?

In a search for answers I found this (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle-earth_in_film), where I discovered a great amount of disturbing details about the plots of early film attempts. Can't see a Mrs. Bilbo though.

There is a relevant item mentioned on that page, actually, though you'll need to find a more detailed account.

Tolkien thought of giving Bilbo a wife, of course, and making the hero of LOTR his son, but decided against it. AFAIK, he never created a wife for him or gave her a name.

I believe years ago there was a computer game of The Hobbit. Was there a Mrs Bilbo in that?

I've played that! It's actually quite good, if you can get over the graphics; definitely more faithful to the plot than the movies were. Anyway, no, there's no Mrs. Bilbo there. :)

hS

[Nerwen]

There is a relevant item mentioned on that page, actually, though you'll need to find a more detailed account.



I've played that! It's actually quite good, if you can get over the graphics; definitely more faithful to the plot than the movies were. Anyway, no, there's no Mrs. Bilbo there. :)

hS
Cursory research suggests #3 refers to the 1966 "Hobbit" animated short, where it seems Bilbo did have a love interest, whose name I haven't been able to discover. "Moonstone", perhaps?

Edit: No, it was "Princess Mika". Mica for the rock, then- but how on Earth is that "more like you", Huey? Is your real name Mike?

[Huinesoron]

1. FREDA - Morwen's daughter, sent away - A hobbit disenvowelled by everything - First contact (for many) (LotR: TTT (Movie))
2. E - Lorien's unwitting betrayer - The classic dawn bird - The world turned upside-down
3. MIKA MILOVANA - Mrs. Bilbo - A shiny rock, or perhaps a bit more like me - The first of its kind (ever) (The 1966 Hobbit film)
4. ADUNAPHEL - The only female Nazgul - I'm out, I tripped (accented) - Under the iron crown (Iron Crown Enterprises' MERP)
5. LITHARIEL - The princess of the shore - A Latin rock, an Elvish maid - Darkness in the darkness (Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor)
6. EVANGELINE LILLY'S TAURIEL - Legolas' first best friend, but in real life... - Not a Maia, not a flower, and definitely not genderbent Orome - Just below Erebor (The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug)

I never said it might be "more like you" - I said "more like ME", because 'Mika' looks like it could well be pronounced 'MEE-ka'. :D

Tolkien Gateway says Princess Mika (who does indeed marry Bilbo, in the first ever Tolkien movie - the 12 minute 1966 Hobbit adaptation) was named after someone's daughter, but given Pervina's mention of Princess Mee, I'm left wondering if she might be another inspiration.

'Milovana' (surely the least Tolkienian name ever to appear in a Tolkien adaptation) is apparently Czech, which actually takes us fairly geographically close to the final answer, #2, which you won't find on the usual Tolkien wikis. It is on Wikipedia, though.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

2. E - Lorien's unwitting betrayer - The classic dawn bird - The world turned upside-down


Nerwen's answer sounds pretty convincing, so ... the remaining E clue.

The hint that classic could be 'classical' had me looking at operas ... but I could only find Vogel ... and lark is out ('Lark Ascending' is the most famous piece of classical music I know that refers to a bird).

Maybe we need to look for a bird from Greek or Roman mythology, then.

EDIT: OK, scrap that. Unless the Czech Republic is close enough to Italy and Greece.

EDIT 2: Ah ... the cryptic 2nd bit could be from classical mythology, perhaps.

[Huinesoron]

EDIT: OK, scrap that. Unless the Czech Republic is close enough to Italy and Greece.

In fairness it's closer to either of them than to where I'm actually thinking of. My Eastern European geography is apparently quite compressed.

I'm probably more into paleontology than mythology, as it happens. :)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

There is Aethon, sometimes written as Ethon in English. It's the name of the eagle who tormented Prometheus (by eating his liver every night, I believe. Not sure if Chianti was readily available then).

[Nerwen]

In fairness it's closer to either of them than to where I'm actually thinking of. My Eastern European geography is apparently quite compressed.

I'm probably more into paleontology than mythology, as it happens. :)

hS
Of course, who could forget Lorien's betrayal at the hands... claws? ...wing-claws? of Archaeopteryx?

[Huinesoron]

There is Aethon, sometimes written as Ethon in English. It's the name of the eagle who tormented Prometheus (by eating his liver every night, I believe. Not sure if Chianti was readily available then).

The eagle has a name?! ... wait, it's Greek mythology, everything has a name. (Not Ethon.)

Of course, who could forget Lorien's betrayal at the hands... claws? ...wing-claws? of Archaeopteryx?

Silly Nerwen; Archaeopteryx means 'ancient wing', not 'dawn bird'.

hS

[Nerwen]

The eagle has a name?! ... wait, it's Greek mythology, everything has a name. (Not Ethon.)



Silly Nerwen; Archaeopteryx means 'ancient wing', not 'dawn bird'.

hS
I am aware of that, but figuratively one might call it a "dawn bird". That was of course not a serious guess, anyway.:p

[Huinesoron]

Gosh, wasn't it? :D It may have been a serious hint, though.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

EOS.

A Greek goddess known as dawn bird, according to Wikipedia (so it must be right, yeah? :D)

[Galadriel55]

There is Aethon, sometimes written as Ethon in English. It's the name of the eagle who tormented Prometheus (by eating his liver every night, I believe. Not sure if Chianti was readily available then).

Always was curious how accurately the Greeks picked the organ for eagle dinner. The liver is practically the only organ that has enough regenerative capacity to regrow back to near its proper size from a small piece. Not over a single day, of course, but titans are titans.


Aside from PTERO, there is POULI as a word that means "bird", but I can't think of prehistoric or ME creatures that have this part.

[Pervinca Took]

I've nothing to add to that, G55, but would like you to know how much I love your cheery daffodil avatar. Yes, I know it's not new. I've just never said it before. ;)

[Galadriel55]

I've nothing to add to that, G55, but would like you to know how much I love your cheery daffodil avatar. Yes, I know it's not new. I've just never said it before. ;)

Thanks! :) I'm not particularly into daffodils, but when I was making the avatar I was looking for something vaguely Lorien-like to match my name, and there it was. At this point I'm rather attached to it as my alternate identity appearance.

[Nerwen]

EOS.

A Greek goddess known as dawn bird, according to Wikipedia (so it must be right, yeah? :D)
Eo- occurs as a prefix in the names of various prehistoric animals, so that could be Huey's (possibly) "serious hint". Maybe we should be looking for a Polish dinosaur named Eo-something... though what could that have to do with Lorien?

[Galadriel55]

Eo- occurs as a prefix in the names of various prehistoric animals, so that could be Huey's (possibly) "serious hint". Maybe we should be looking for a Polish dinosaur named Eo-something... though what could that have to do with Lorien?

Many Eorling names begin with EO, but when they could have betrayed Lorien - and with a female? Were there any shieldmaidens coming down with the Eotheod to the battle on Celebrant? That one involved Lorien too if I recall.

[Nerwen]

Many Eorling names begin with EO, but when they could have betrayed Lorien - and with a female? Were there any shieldmaidens coming down with the Eotheod to the battle on Celebrant? That one involved Lorien too if I recall.
It has to be from a non-Tolkienien source.

[Huinesoron]

Eo- is a lovely prefix for dawn (it occurs in Eohippus, the Dawn Horse, which was about the size of a large dog). I'm not sure I know of Eos specifically as a bird, though - my understanding was that she was simply The Dawn. (Nor is the bird Pouli; Eopouli would be excessively non-Tolkienian.)

Oh, and you want to be a bit further east than Poland. ^_^

hS

PS: Fascinating trivia about the liver! Thanks, G55.

[Pervinca Took]

Germany?

ELVELLON have an album called 'Until Dawn,' and they're all birds.

:D

Their music sounds really good, anyway. I couldn't find a direct Tolkien link, but maybe I didn't look hard enough.

[Galadriel55]

Germany?.

Nah, Belarus.

[Nerwen]

East, Pervinca.:p

Huey does seem to be telling us to look for Eo-something...

[Pervinca Took]

East, Pervinca.:p


It's the heat ....

[Huinesoron]

1. FREDA - Morwen's daughter, sent away - A hobbit disenvowelled by everything - First contact (for many) (LotR: TTT (Movie))
2. E - Lorien's unwitting betrayer - The classic dawn bird - The world turned upside-down
3. MIKA MILOVANA - Mrs. Bilbo - A shiny rock, or perhaps a bit more like me - The first of its kind (ever) (The 1966 Hobbit film)
4. ADUNAPHEL - The only female Nazgul - I'm out, I tripped (accented) - Under the iron crown (Iron Crown Enterprises' MERP)
5. LITHARIEL - The princess of the shore - A Latin rock, an Elvish maid - Darkness in the darkness (Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor)
6. EVANGELINE LILLY'S TAURIEL - Legolas' first best friend, but in real life... - Not a Maia, not a flower, and definitely not genderbent Orome - Just below Erebor (The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug)

Pulling it onto the page.

The final source is the only non-licensed source on the list; it made the news a few years back, when it appeared in English translation. The character is mentioned on its Wikipedia page, but her name can also be constructed if you imagine what a paleontologist would call a genus she wanted to name 'Dawn Bird'.

hS

[Nerwen]

Pulling it onto the page.

The final source is the only non-licensed source on the list; it made the news a few years back, when it appeared in English translation. The character is mentioned on its Wikipedia page, but her name can also be constructed if you imagine what a paleontologist would call a genus she wanted to name 'Dawn Bird'.

hS
I believe you're referring to that Russian parody/fan-fic/whatever? Now what was it called...?

Edit: "The Last Ringbearer" and the character is EORNIS.

[Huinesoron]

Dingdingding!

1. FREDA - Morwen's daughter, sent away - A hobbit disenvowelled by everything - First contact (for many) (LotR: TTT (Movie))
2. EORNIS - Lorien's unwitting betrayer - The classic dawn bird - The world turned upside-down (The Last Ringbearer)
3. MIKA MILOVANA - Mrs. Bilbo - A shiny rock, or perhaps a bit more like me - The first of its kind (ever) (The 1966 Hobbit film)
4. ADUNAPHEL - The only female Nazgul - I'm out, I tripped (accented) - Under the iron crown (Iron Crown Enterprises' MERP)
5. LITHARIEL - The princess of the shore - A Latin rock, an Elvish maid - Darkness in the darkness (Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor)
6. EVANGELINE LILLY'S TAURIEL - Legolas' first best friend, but in real life... - Not a Maia, not a flower, and definitely not genderbent Orome - Just below Erebor (The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug)

[Theme: Female characters added in non-Tolkien works]

Hesperornis ('Western Bird') is a Cretaceous aquatic bird; Enantiornis and Ichthyornis date from around the same time.

And... Pervinca Took guessed the password, so you're up!

hS

(PS: It's not often you find a list where TTT-M is the entry most faithful to Tolkien's writings...)

[Pervinca Took]

Well done, Nerwen! And well done with another very tough set of clues, Hs. You are certainly teaching me new things!

I have a couple ready, but my laptop is at home, so I can't post one until tonight.

EDIT: PAGE 100! It says something about the scope and skill of Tolkien, that we are on page 100 of a thread devoted to creating and solving often cryptic clues about his works. I doubt if there are many other writers (if any) whose works one could do that with.

[Galadriel55]

EDIT: PAGE 100! It says something about the scope and skill of Tolkien, that we are on page 100 of a thread devoted to creating and solving often cryptic clues about his works. I doubt if there are many other writers (if any) whose works one could do that with.

Hear hear! Consider also that we don't even think of "anything Tolkien-related" as being enough of a theme anymore, since it's so broad.

Dare I request an anniversary password? ;)

[Pervinca Took]

What do you have in mind? I didn't write the two I have with the thought of an anniversary. I knew we were getting near to page 100, but hadn't realised quite how close we were. And I hadn't thought of marking the occasion with a 'special' password.

If I can't think of a special password straight away, maybe the next password setter can. Failing that, page eleventy-one isn't all that far off, either. ;)

The next password is special to *me*, though. :)

[Pervinca Took]

1. Tess’s kindest boss. Empty location?
2. He turns back (as did his wife, with dire consequences), before Saruman initially meets the ocean here.
3. See the fairies’ midwife dance backwards – a measure of the place!
4. Tree meets flatbread of South Yorkshire village here.
5. Stable, but not impenetrable, one might say of a part of this establishment.
6. A blow is dealt to the lazy morning in confusion here.
7. Scans scattered around amongst a shop in transit here.

[Galadriel55]

2. The wife who turns back - possibly the biblical wife of Lot, which would productively give us Tol S...? Tol Sirion? No "irion" that means ocean.

[Galadriel55]

1. Crickhollow. A little bit of recap reminded me that Tess of the d'Urberville's dairy farm employer was Crick.

[Pervinca Took]

CRICKHOLLOW: Tess’s kindest boss. Empty location?
2. He turns back (as did his wife, with dire consequences), before Saruman initially meets the ocean here.
3. See the fairies’ midwife dance backwards – a measure of the place!
4. Tree meets flatbread of South Yorkshire village here.
5. Stable, but not impenetrable, one might say of a part of this establishment.
6. A blow is dealt to the lazy morning in confusion here.
7. Scans scattered around amongst a shop in transit here.

Indeed - Dairyman Crick/All the week/On Sundays Mister Richard Crick, plus 'hollow' for empty. (Although I believe her first boss - Alec D'Urberville's *mother*, was kind enough too).


LOT = TOL is correct as an element of 2, but it isn't Sirion to follow.

I guess you have (correctly) provided an S for 'Saruman initially,' but there's another bit before that.

[Huinesoron]

#2 could be TOL FALAS (or Tolfalas), with falas being Sindarin for 'shore' ('meets the ocean').

... no, hang on, it's TOL ERESSEA: Tol + ere S, sea.

hS

EDIT: #5 is striking me as a non-cryptic clue for the Prancing Pony, which definitely had a non-impenetrable stable.

[Pervinca Took]

CRICKHOLLOW: Tess’s kindest boss. Empty location?
TOL ERESSEA: He turns back (as did his wife, with dire consequences), before Saruman initially meets the ocean here.
3. See the fairies’ midwife dance backwards – a measure of the place!
4. Tree meets flatbread of South Yorkshire village here.
THE PRANCING PONY: Stable, but not impenetrable, one might say of a part of this establishment.
6. A blow is dealt to the lazy morning in confusion here.
7. Scans scattered around amongst a shop in transit here.

[Galadriel55]

3. Bamfurlong, again with the help of a google search.

[Pervinca Took]

CRICKHOLLOW: Tess’s kindest boss. Empty location?
TOL ERESSEA: He turns back (as did his wife, with dire consequences), before Saruman initially meets the ocean here.
BAMFURLONG: See the fairies’ midwife dance backwards – a measure of the place!
4. Tree meets flatbread of South Yorkshire village here.
THE PRANCING PONY: Stable, but not impenetrable, one might say of a part of this establishment.
6. A blow is dealt to the lazy morning in confusion here.
7. Scans scattered around amongst a shop in transit here.

Yes. (Queen) Mab, backwards, plus 'furlong' (a measure of length/distance).

[Huinesoron]

Okay, I'm going to give a guess of REFUGES for the password, and a stab at HENNETH ANNUN for #4 based primarily on it fitting that description and containing the letter U. It also has the letters for 'nan' (bread), so I can at least see a possibility of it fitting the clue. :)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

CRICKHOLLOW: Tess’s kindest boss. Empty location?
TOL ERESSEA: He turns back (as did his wife, with dire consequences), before Saruman initially meets the ocean here.
BAMFURLONG: See the fairies’ midwife dance backwards – a measure of the place!
4. Tree meets flatbread of South Yorkshire village here.
THE PRANCING PONY: Stable, but not impenetrable, one might say of a part of this establishment.
6. A blow is dealt to the lazy morning in confusion here.
7. Scans scattered around amongst a shop in transit here.

Password: REFUGES

Correct password!

You are also correct with NAN for the flatbread element, but Henneth Annun is the wrong refuge.

[Huinesoron]

NAN ELMOTH? It's got the tree, but is there a village called Oth? Google doesn't think so.

... oh, wait, no U. Which means it can't be Nan-tasarion, either.

Hmm.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Both wrong, I'm afraid.

If it makes it easier, the theme is less broad than the password and is only *particular* refuges.

There is also an 'odd one out' amongst them.

[Galadriel55]

Well they're all so far hobbit refuges, including Tol Eressea as Frodo and Bilbo's final refuge from the world and its burdens. I don't know if Nan Curunir counts as a refuge.

[Pervinca Took]

Nan Curunir is not one of the answers.

Nan doesn't have to *start* the answer!

They are all places where the Ringbearer found refuge. Tol Eressea is the odd one out because it's the only exclusively post-quest refuge.

[Nerwen]

LAURELINDÓRENAN for #4? "Laurel" is self-explanatory, but I don't know about the rest. "Indore" is a city in India, but is there a Yorkshire village with such a name? Google is no help.

[Pervinca Took]

CRICKHOLLOW: Tess’s kindest boss. Empty location?
TOL ERESSEA: He turns back (as did his wife, with dire consequences), before Saruman initially meets the ocean here.
BAMFURLONG: See the fairies’ midwife dance backwards – a measure of the place!
LAURELINDORENAN: Tree meets flatbread of South Yorkshire village here.
THE PRANCING PONY: Stable, but not impenetrable, one might say of a part of this establishment.
6. A blow is dealt to the lazy morning in confusion here.
7. Scans scattered around amongst a shop in transit here.

Password: REFUGES

Specific theme: places where the Ringbearer took/was offered refuge.

For shame, Nerwen! I know you wanted to see Middle-earth and rule your own realm, but surely you haven't forgotten LAURELIN?

There is a large village called DORE, which used to be in Derbyshire but is now in South Yorkshire. If there is an Indian takeaway or restaurant there, and you ordered NAN there with your meal, or you lived there and made one yourself, you could call it a DORE NAN!

:D

[Pervinca Took]

There aren't that many options left, surely? ;)

[Galadriel55]

There aren't that many options left, surely? ;)

Rivendell? Weathertop? Henneth Anun? Bombadil's house?

[Pervinca Took]

None of the above names. One of the above places.

[Pervinca Took]

Plus another is close, but I would not call that specific place a refuge.

6 is composed from two fairly easy synonyms.

7 is composed from two perhaps somewhat harder synonyms.

[Pervinca Took]

Another hint (or more a point to make it fairer for all) - the shop you need for number 7 appears a lot in Europe, and I checked online and I believe it is in Australia and the USA too. But I don't think there are any in Canada.

[Huinesoron]

#6: ITHILIEN is an anagram of HIT + LIE IN.

#7: IMLADRIS is an anagram of MRIs + ALDI... but I have no idea where 'in transit' comes from.

Only got these because you'd narrowed the field down to four locations. ^_^

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Correct! Well done, Huinesoron.

'In transit' was because the letters of ALDI had to go into transit, as well as the letters of MRIS needing to be scattered.

CRICKHOLLOW: Tess’s kindest boss. Empty location?
TOL ERESSEA: He turns back (as did his wife, with dire consequences), before Saruman initially meets the ocean here.
BAMFURLONG: See the fairies’ midwife dance backwards – a measure of the place!
LAURELINDORENAN: Tree meets flatbread of South Yorkshire village here.
THE PRANCING PONY: Stable, but not impenetrable, one might say of a part of this establishment.
ITHILIEN: A blow is dealt to the lazy morning in confusion here.
IMLADRIS: Scans scattered around amongst a shop in transit here.

Password: REFUGES

Specific theme: places where the Ringbearer took/was offered refuge.

Crickhollow was the one I wasn't quite sure qualified as a refuge, as Frodo had bought it rather than been offered sanctuary there. (He did take refuge there, though - from the road. His quest had begun and he had already (unknowingly) seen or sensed a Nazgul or two).

I think the idea of making it just the Ringbearer's places of refuge might have come from that piece of literary criticism that said that Frodo needed digging out of about 6 Homely Houses before he even got to Elrond's. ;)

Well done everyone, and over to Huinesoron.

[Huinesoron]

Nice! Tricky, but that's what we come here for. :)

This one took me quite a while to make work; I suspect it's been done before in some form, but I'm still pleased I found some version that hung together.

1. A Time Lord, a fool? He chooses.
2. Earn ill an elvish title, but outside the youngest asks: he fairy enough?
3. Engulf a dubious panda for one who's missing one.
4. In the south, the pages could say what Tolkien got.
5. Haughty? Not entirely: say rather he knows where he's going.
6. Not one of the six (or seven?), but of their kind: forget his name and say what he is.
7. Born green and grey: one to his name, but whence the other? Not just his father's son.
8. Son of the last to rule; by title he could sail inland from the Havens, but find only one.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

5. Aragorn ... most of 'arrogant' for 'haughty' ... 'gorn' for where he was going? :D

[Huinesoron]

1. A Time Lord, a fool? He chooses.
2. Earn ill an elvish title, but outside the youngest asks: he fairy enough?
3. Engulf a dubious panda for one who's missing one.
4. In the south, the pages could say what Tolkien got.
5. A RAGORN - Haughty? Not entirely: say rather he knows where he's going.
6. Not one of the six (or seven?), but of their kind: forget his name and say what he is.
7. Born green and grey: one to his name, but whence the other? Not just his father's son.
8. Son of the last to rule; by title he could sail inland from the Havens, but find only one.

Indeed! Off to a good start.

(All right, I was actually just slurring 'Arrogan' to get his name, with 'knows where he's going' as a straight clue. But your version was so good I decided to claim it was my idea all along. ^_~)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Hmmm ... that was the only easy one, though!

As for number 1, 'Who' might give us 'Hu-' - but fool?

Unless the 'Time' part could be AM.

SAMWISE chooses in the Haunted Pass. His name has AM and means half-wise.

I think you can guess that I'm not very confident with this one. ;)

[Huinesoron]

The answer is not SAMWISE, but Samwise is the second half of the answer. You've got the fool (I feel a bit mean saying that), but where's the Time Lord?

hS

[Pervinca Took]

I guess it would have to be in the form Ban or Sam, then. Or Berhael, IIRC from when he and his master were being praised with great praise.

I wonder if the Time Lord is one of the Valar - but none of them are really in charge of time. Not even Mandos.
...

I found a list of Time Lords, and Andred and Androgar are the most Tolkienian-sounding ones. I can't really stick Sam or Ban on the end of either, though.

[Huinesoron]

No, you're overthinking it (like I can talk!). The second half of the answer is 'SAMWISE', and the Time Lord is a Time Lord.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Oh! MASTER SAMWISE.

The Master is a Time Lord.

[Pervinca Took]

I'm going to have a guess at MERIADOC for the password, because I think the theme might be members of the Fellowship.

Not that any of the other Fellowship members fit, initial-wise. :D

Errrrr ...

Maybe the theme is leaders. If Meriadoc is right, that gives us a king, a mayor and a Master of Buckland.

EDIT:

6. Dwarf-Lord?
7. Oropher?

[Huinesoron]

1. M ASTER SAMWISE - A Time Lord, a fool? He chooses.
2. E - Earn ill an elvish title, but outside the youngest asks: he fairy enough?
3. R - Engulf a dubious panda for one who's missing one.
4. I - In the south, the pages could say what Tolkien got.
5. A RAGORN - Haughty? Not entirely: say rather he knows where he's going.
6. D WARF - Not one of the six (or seven?), but of their kind: forget his name and say what he is.
7. O - Born green and grey: one to his name, but whence the other? Not just his father's son.
8. C - Son of the last to rule; by title he could sail inland from the Havens, but find only one.

[Theme: Members of the Fellowship]

You're on fire! I'll happily give you 'Dwarf' for #6 (the actual phrase in my notes is 'Dwarf of Durin's line', because I really wanted the D to be Durin... but it wasn't, so 'Dwarf' it is), but I can't put Oropher in for #7 - he definitely wasn't in the Fellowship.

hS